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Re: Wharfedale Diamond 9 Series
« Reply #330 on: Nov 02, 2004 at 12:51 PM »



hahaha. alam ko ibig sabihin nyan pre ah, latest design/version ba yong plano mo?

 :-X  <- Ganito muna ako hehehe..para sunpense   ;D

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Re: Wharfedale Diamond 9 Series
« Reply #331 on: Nov 02, 2004 at 12:54 PM »
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May nakapagsabi sa akin na bukod daw sa warmth at nostalgia ng tubes eh napaka sexy daw.... parang aphrodisiac kapag nag babaga na yun tubes. Actually hindi ko pa maintindihan yun ibig sabihin nun girl eh pero it has something to do talaga with SARS!

Series 9 SARS, bagong strain ng virus ito.


parang iba ang dating nito sakin sir ah...... ibang pumapasok sa utak ko! Super Audio Related S@x (SARS) ba? >:D

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Re: Wharfedale Diamond 9 Series
« Reply #332 on: Nov 02, 2004 at 12:56 PM »
sior control,

secret din! napapa isip tuloy ako kung upgrade to diamond 9 naba yn o tooot...

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Re: Wharfedale Diamond 9 Series
« Reply #333 on: Nov 02, 2004 at 01:02 PM »


Out of the box speakers are supposed to have STIFFER suspensions.  So the woofer excursions are more constrained and the bass less.  As an element for mechanical action, the suspension could be one area where a break-in period can arguably benefit a speaker.  Though I still reserve my doubts on it.  At any rate, if a speaker were boomy out of the box,  logic might say that a more relaxed suspension after a certain period of break-in use would make it even more boomy.  Not less.  


Stiffer woofer tend to move slow that why it produced muddy sound, while woofer that been exercised or lets say broken in usually move better or faster that produce clear or better sound. muddy sound may also be cause by unstable spike or base that instead only the woofer moving the whole box ( buffle ) also moves/resonate so some do mass loading. ( sand filing ).

agree with you sir about the 2way design that some best speaker are 2way than 3way or lets say 2 woofer..

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Re: Wharfedale Diamond 9 Series
« Reply #334 on: Nov 02, 2004 at 01:10 PM »
sior control,

secret din! napapa isip tuloy ako kung upgrade to diamond 9 naba yn o tooot...

Ano ba yan?? medyo out pa utak ko hehehehe...

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Re: Wharfedale Diamond 9 Series
« Reply #335 on: Nov 02, 2004 at 01:18 PM »
yan kasi late ka ng gumising!


diamond 9 langt to sir (hehehe) para d OT.


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Re: Wharfedale Diamond 9 Series
« Reply #336 on: Nov 02, 2004 at 01:34 PM »
malamang! e pano na si evo? for keeps na rin ba yon?

Senor,

TALAGANG 4 KEEPS Yan!!!

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Re: Wharfedale Diamond 9 Series
« Reply #337 on: Nov 02, 2004 at 01:38 PM »
la na bye bye evo na.............. tagal naman kasi ng brown na 9 series! hoy madaliin nyo na wharfedale, wag nyo ng paabot ng next yr, for hans sake!!!

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Re: Wharfedale Diamond 9 Series
« Reply #338 on: Nov 02, 2004 at 01:43 PM »


Stiffer woofer tend to move slow that why it produced muddy sound, while woofer that been exercised or lets say broken in usually move better or faster that produce clear or better sound. muddy sound may also be cause by unstable spike or base that instead only the woofer moving the whole box ( buffle ) also moves/resonate so some do mass loading. ( sand filing ).

agree with you sir about the 2way design that some best speaker are 2way than 3way or lets say 2 woofer..

Yup, a stiff cone suspension can produce a slow responding muddled bass.  I'm just not convinced that a muddled bass is the same as boomy bass, unless a peaking happens at those frequencies.   Perhaps we just have different definitions.  ;D

A boomy bass for me is one that has a characteristic PEAKING at certain frequencies relative to other bass frequencies, often at around 60hz, and is  the result of speaker or port resonances and room modes augmenting each other.  Every room has its characteristic room bass peaks, but a speaker that has its own could easily aggravate the percieved boominess.  So boomines has more to do amplitudes.  

OTH, muddled bass for me has more to do with confused bass notes that are not amplitude related, but a failure to delineate the harmonics between different bass frequencies because the woofer can't respond fast enough to fast-changing bass notes and their harmonics.   It doesn't have to peak but you can get a one-note bass line below a certain frequency.  A stiff cone suspension can result in muddied bass but may be too constrained to displace more air mass to sound boomy compared to a more relaxed suspension.  But, ofcourse, a speaker can exhibit both traits.  Even if the suspension were too stiff to move more air mass, if the port is tuned to that frequency, there'd still be some peaking at that frequency, though on a lesser scale.  But the peaking can increase as the suspension material gets "broken-in."  And this peaking can happen even as the muddled bass gets better definition.  So a muddled bass need not be boomy, unless there are peaks where it is muddles as well.  A boomy bass need not be muddled either, but can sound muddled if it jibes or augments room modes and overpowers other bass notes.  So which is which?  Was it boomy, muddled, or both?  Just my thoughts.

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Re: Wharfedale Diamond 9 Series
« Reply #339 on: Nov 02, 2004 at 01:44 PM »
la na bye bye evo na.............. tagal naman kasi ng brown na 9 series! hoy madaliin nyo na wharfedale, wag nyo ng paabot ng next yr, for hans sake!!!

psssst J_albert and i got news limited lang daw stock nun 9?? naku kaya bili ka na rin.

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Re: Wharfedale Diamond 9 Series
« Reply #340 on: Nov 02, 2004 at 01:51 PM »
ur welcome

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Re: Wharfedale Diamond 9 Series
« Reply #341 on: Nov 02, 2004 at 01:51 PM »


Yup, a stiff cone suspension can produce a slow responding muddled bass.  I'm just not convinced that a muddled bass is the same as boomy bass, unless a peaking happens at those frequencies.   Perhaps we just have different definitions.  ;D

A boomy bass for me is one that has a characteristic PEAKING at certain frequencies relative to other bass frequencies, often at around 60hz, and is  the result of speaker or port resonances and room modes augmenting each other.  Every room has its characteristic room bass peaks, but a speaker that has its own could easily aggravate the percieved boominess.  So boomines has more to do amplitudes.  

OTH, muddled bass for me has more to do with confused bass notes that are not amplitude related, but a failure to delineate the harmonics between different bass frequencies because the woofer can't respond fast enough to fast-changing bass notes and their harmonics.   It doesn't have to peak but you can get a one-note bass line below a certain frequency.  A stiff cone suspension can result in muddied bass but may be too constrained to displace more air mass to sound boomy compared to a more relaxed suspension.  But, ofcourse, a speaker can exhibit both traits.  Even if the suspension were too stiff to move more air mass, if the port is tuned to that frequency, there'd still be some peaking at that frequency, though on a lesser scale.  But the peaking can increase as the suspension material gets "broken-in."  And this peaking can happen even as the muddled bass gets better definition.  So a muddled bass need not be boomy.  A boomy bass need not be muddled either, but can sound muddled if it jibes or augments room modes and overpowers other bass notes.  Just my thoughts.

boomy bass is cause by room accoustic di ba?? like get a 8.4 and put it in a small room and gets boomy while when you use it in a large room the sound is balance?  :)

Muddy bass woofer too slow to react yun kaya ganun?  :)

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Re: Wharfedale Diamond 9 Series
« Reply #342 on: Nov 02, 2004 at 02:21 PM »
brown ba kamo, e2 at my kiwi ako.... kwik shine pa!  ;D

Kiwi?? mahirap yan SARS kung ano ano naiisip Atty..

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Re: Wharfedale Diamond 9 Series
« Reply #343 on: Nov 02, 2004 at 02:22 PM »


kaduda duda yang sagot mo pre ;D ano nag improve sa speaker mo?


Duda ka ba.... isumbong mo kay Tulfo!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

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Re: Wharfedale Diamond 9 Series
« Reply #344 on: Nov 02, 2004 at 02:25 PM »
di naman siya 2 woofer para maging boomy like the 8.4, di kaya sa amp yun Koya? di kasi natin na bi-wire yung 9.4 para natest kung boomy pa sound nya.

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Re: Wharfedale Diamond 9 Series
« Reply #345 on: Nov 02, 2004 at 02:25 PM »
Now I'll first get some things out of the way. Special thanks to SpeactarAV for allowing a home audition of this wonderful speakers, thanks to Hans for transporting them and to Akyat for hosting the session. Wonderful people!

There were two models used, the 9.2 and the 9.4, unfortunately I was kinda late and was only able to listen to the floorstander for only a couple of songs, therefore I cannot give any accurate description of the 9.4. But I was able to inspect the units and it looks that the construction is really solid and those wonderful gold plated bi-wireable binding posts are very good in grasping bare wires and banana plugs.

But then again, the 9.2 is a different story, I was able to listen to it for at least 4 hours, and with several amps too. Now, it may seem to look like a sliced version of the 9.4, the 9.2 was impressive, the amount of highs was balanced, the mids are clear and like others say, crisp. For me the mids are in a way open and brings the song artist right in the middle of your room. A very surprising amount of bass is also packed in this model, for a bookshelf, I wasn't expecting such bass, but the sofa was shaking.  ;D Bi-wiring these bookshelfs also elevated the sound.

For me, the 9.2 is an impressive bookshelf, trully a cost-effective choice indeed.



I won't go too much in the technicals of the setup but some of the gears used were:

AMX PP EL34 Tube Amp (Jetok)
Consonance M99 Tube Amp (Audioslave)
Tube Hybrid Gainclone Amp (Punk_kid)

AMX Tube Preamp with Phono (Kimpao)

I don't know the models of the cdp but they were Yamaha, Sony and Sansui cdp present. Also, Akyat's Technics SL-1200 was used as a source.

Again, thanks to Mr. SpectraAV for the trust.  :)




Galing lalo nun naka hook up sa Gainclone ni KID_lat.. play D best of The Cure.. and Excellent!!

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Re: Wharfedale Diamond 9 Series
« Reply #346 on: Nov 02, 2004 at 02:27 PM »


boomy bass is cause by room accoustic di ba?? like get a 8.4 and put it in a small room and gets boomy while when you use it in a large room the sound is balance?  :)

Muddy bass woofer too slow to react yun kaya ganun?  :)

Yup, boomy bass is caused by room accoustics.  But the speaker itself can be boomy if,  in an anechoic room, it exhibits peaking at certain bass frequencies, and worse, if the speaker's resonant peaks jibes with the room modes.  A speaker that peaks at 70hz will have enourmous peaks at 70hz in a room with an 8-ft high ceiling and is 8-foot wide or deep.   (a room with identical height, width and depth is the worst sounding room.)   In general, yes, the bigger the room dimensions, the lower the frequencies that will peak as a result of room modes.   So a very large room will push those frequencies outside the threshhold of audibility.

Muddy bass is muddled bass and results from woofers too slow to react to changing bass notes and their harmonics.    

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Re: Wharfedale Diamond 9 Series
« Reply #347 on: Nov 02, 2004 at 02:28 PM »
di naman siya 2 woofer para maging boomy like the 8.4, di kaya sa amp yun Koya? di kasi natin na bi-wire yung 9.4 para natest kung boomy pa sound nya.

Pssst KID_lat di kasi natin nilagay yun spike and unstable yun magazine na pinatungan ng 9.4 kaya in loud volume ah sumasama yun body sa galaw instead na yun woofer lang.. eh yun 9.2 naka stand di ba tapos meron spike. ;D

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Re: Wharfedale Diamond 9 Series
« Reply #348 on: Nov 02, 2004 at 02:29 PM »


Yup, boomy bass is caused by room accoustics.  But the speaker itself can be boomy if,  in an anechoic room, it exhibits peaking at certain bass frequencies, and worse, if the speaker's resonant peaks jibes with the room modes.  A speaker that peaks at 70hz will have enourmous peaks at 70hz in a room with an 8-ft high ceiling and is 8-foot wide or deep.   (a room with identical height, width and depth is the worst sounding room.)   In general, yes, the bigger the room dimensions, the lower the frequencies that will peak as a result of room modes.   So a very large room will push those frequencies outside the threshhold of audibility.

Muddy bass is muddled bass and results from woofers too slow to react to changing bass notes and their harmonics.    

Thanks sir.. :D

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Re: Wharfedale Diamond 9 Series
« Reply #349 on: Nov 02, 2004 at 02:32 PM »
Oo nga!!! ;D ;D ;D palitan ko pinost kong review :P seriously, ok naman sana tunog nung 9.4 kaso boomy lang talaga kaya nasira yung overall performance nya ::)

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Re: Wharfedale Diamond 9 Series
« Reply #350 on: Nov 02, 2004 at 02:35 PM »
Oo nga!!! ;D ;D ;D palitan ko pinost kong review :P seriously, ok naman sana tunog nung 9.4 kaso boomy lang talaga kaya nasira yung overall performance nya ::)

pero 9.4 vocals is also sweet and refine.

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Re: Wharfedale Diamond 9 Series
« Reply #351 on: Nov 02, 2004 at 02:36 PM »
Try also to increase the distance of the speaker from the walls / side walls or corner. This will help in taming the boomy bass.

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Re: Wharfedale Diamond 9 Series
« Reply #352 on: Nov 02, 2004 at 02:37 PM »
Oo nga!!! ;D ;D ;D palitan ko pinost kong review :P seriously, ok naman sana tunog nung 9.4 kaso boomy lang talaga kaya nasira yung overall performance nya ::)

I think di pa na break-in yan. Try to wait about 3 more months, mas gaganda ang tunog nyan...

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Re: Wharfedale Diamond 9 Series
« Reply #353 on: Nov 02, 2004 at 03:23 PM »


pero 9.4 vocals is also sweet and refine.

mas sweet and refined kaysa sa 8.3



I think di pa na break-in yan. Try to wait about 3 more months, mas gaganda ang tunog nyan...

out of the box pa siya when we listen to it

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Re: Wharfedale Diamond 9 Series
« Reply #354 on: Nov 02, 2004 at 04:07 PM »
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More than 300,000 members.  And only one owns a Diamond 9 so far.  May the tribe grow before the year ends.

sir with due respect, pinoydvd has 7,820 members with a total  of 362,544 post... as of this posting sir.

naku kung nagkataon e baka ligawan na tayo ng mga politicians nyan by next election. biruin mo almost half a million votes agad.  >:D

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Re: Wharfedale Diamond 9 Series
« Reply #355 on: Nov 02, 2004 at 04:40 PM »
Sir what about 9.3 ano sa palagay nyo oks din ba sya..

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Re: Wharfedale Diamond 9 Series
« Reply #356 on: Nov 02, 2004 at 04:48 PM »
yan ang type ko tlga! with an 8" driver (my guess) panalo yan. i however wasnt able to audition this baby, d na kasi kasya sa sasakyan ni hans e (kasi my walker pa! >:( ) kaya 9.2 na lang dinala namin! hayyy.....

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Re: Wharfedale Diamond 9 Series
« Reply #357 on: Nov 02, 2004 at 05:11 PM »
yan ang type ko tlga! with an 8" driver (my guess) panalo yan. i however wasnt able to audition this baby, d na kasi kasya sa sasakyan ni hans e (kasi my walker pa! >:( ) kaya 9.2 na lang dinala namin! hayyy.....

Ok ba maging model ng kiddie walker?? hehehhehee ;D ;D

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Re: Wharfedale Diamond 9 Series
« Reply #358 on: Nov 02, 2004 at 05:16 PM »
hehehehe.......... loko ka ah! kung d lang sa maalki kong respito sayo sir, sasakyan ko na yon e!

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Re: Wharfedale Diamond 9 Series
« Reply #359 on: Nov 02, 2004 at 05:23 PM »
hehehehe.......... loko ka ah! kung d lang sa maalki kong respito sayo sir, sasakyan ko na yon e!

Atty wag wag kay baby France yun walker... ;D ;D