DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD

[pchin]

Ay nako...spending half of a day searching for the unknown & no result  Yeah, most sales reps didn't know what wasI talking about except one helpful guy at Automatic Center who took the initiative to verify.   

[viperkid]

I suggest if anybody is thinking about getting a Blu-Ray Player get a PS3 because it is much cheaper compared to Blu-Ray Player ($600 Vs. $1000). Launch date for PS3 is on November 17 2006. One more thing there is a rumor that LG is developing a Blu-Ray and HD combo player.

[blag]

thought you people might find this interesting....

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/05/11/technology/11pogue.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

[hemisphere]

nice post blag. this technology is bound to fail until prices of the gears stabilize. it would take a year or so before everyone can catch up.

 

[Munskie]

In a year or so, we'll have choices as far as players are concerned (RCA will release its HD DVD player this month)...and title library would have beefed up by then.  Price drops too...

[slowhand]

Pioneer ships first Blu-ray computer drive

[Dowals]

Dumadami ang architecs sa pinoydvd 

[MAtZTER]

Pioneer ships first Blu-ray computer drive

Whoa! 

$1,000 for a drive and $18 for the disk! Thats too much

[barrister]

HD-DVD vs. Blu Ray is frequently compared with the Betamax vs. VHS format war.

Pero sa tingin ko, mas bagay na analogy ang DVD-Audio vs. SACD war.

They said that DVD-Audio and SACD would replace the old CD.  Well, CDs are still the general public's music format of choice, di ba?  DVD-Audio and SACD are still around, but just barely holding on for dear life.

My fearless forecast is that DVD, HD-DVD and Blu-Ray will co-exist in the marketplace.  However, like the CD which remains immensely more popular than DVD-Audio and SACD, the DVD will likewise remain overwhelmingly more popular than HD-DVD and Blu-Ray.

Sabi nila around 5 years ago, malapit na raw ma phase-out ang VCD, papalitan na ng DVD. Pero pumunta ka sa mga video shops like Astro --  nabawasan pa ang DVD titles, at lalo pang dumami ang VCD titles! 

[pchin]

One thing for sure, as DVD price drop, it will open to many new markets where previously those consumers shy away...but not anymore...the reign of DVD in many third world country may in fact has actually just begun! 

[Dowals]

HD-DVD vs. Blu Ray is frequently compared with the Betamax vs. VHS format war.

Pero sa tingin ko, mas bagay na analogy ang DVD-Audio vs. SACD war.

They said that DVD-Audio and SACD would replace the old CD.  Well, CDs are still the general public's music format of choice, di ba?  DVD-Audio and SACD are still around, but just barely holding on for dear life.

My fearless forecast is that DVD, HD-DVD and Blu-Ray will co-exist in the marketplace.  However, like the CD which remains immensely more popular than DVD-Audio and SACD, the DVD will likewise remain overwhelmingly more popular than HD-DVD and Blu-Ray.

Sabi nila around 5 years ago, malapit na raw ma phase-out ang VCD, papalitan na ng DVD. Pero pumunta ka sa mga video shops like Astro --  nabawasan pa ang DVD titles, at lalo pang dumami ang VCD titles! 

VCD to date, in my opinion, still has majority of the market share (video industry) because of its low prices.  Even the sale prices of DVDs (P299) is still too much for the ordinary pinoy 

this will be the case also for the DVD & HD/blu-ray, if latter have sky high prices, pinoys (like me) may opt not to upgrade.

[pchin]

Top movie studios look set to delay the HDCP copy protection system - which would only work on next-gen DVD players with HDMI ports, unlike the low-end PS3 and Microsoft's Xbox 360 HD-DVD peripheral - for four to six years.

The move would mean that all movie content produced until 2010 at the earliest, and possibly as far as 2012, will not carry the Image Constraint Token - a security feature which would restrict high-definition playback only to equipment with HDMI ports and HDCP encryption.

Full article:
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=17211

[techdude]

The later the better, the more copy protection, the harder it is to be mass marketed.  As it is, HD-DVD has a miniscule market here in our country, first, HDTV will have to be mass market (my guess is if their price drop to 20,000-30,000).  On regular TVs, most people feel VCD is good enough, and the next step up, DVD surely is great for most folks.  It would take HDTV to appreciate the HD-DVD experience.

[Mo®pHeOu$]

I suggest if anybody is thinking about getting a Blu-Ray Player get a PS3 because it is much cheaper compared to Blu-Ray Player ($600 Vs. $1000). Launch date for PS3 is on November 17 2006. One more thing there is a rumor that LG is developing a Blu-Ray and HD combo player.

is it true that it can also accomodate HD-DVD? 

thanks.

[pchin]

Yep if LG's plan materialize...the the player can play both HD formats...CooL!  but the price could cost a BOM! 

[barrister]

It would take HDTV to appreciate the HD-DVD experience.

This article states that an appreciable difference will only be present if the HD display is 50" or larger:

http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-6449_7-6510291-1.html?tag=cnetfd.ld1

[pchin]

HDTV should be at least 42" & above and as long viewed within the recommended distance, viewers will still be able to appreciate the HD quality.

[barrister]

Yup, you're right. 

At sinabi naman ng author na may malinaw na improvement talaga kahit sa Panasonic 42" plasma HD nila: 

"We flipped back and forth between the TV's two HDMI inputs, and though the HD-DVD image was distinctly sharper and clearly had the edge, the difference wasn't huge.  We're pretty certain, however, that you'll see a much bigger difference the bigger you go."

Pero sabi din niya, "the difference wasn't huge"

[Munskie]

tahimik ah....kelan ba release ng Blu-ray?  Yung pala RCA na hd-dvd player is essentially the Toshiba player. 

[MAtZTER]

Yup, you're right. 

At sinabi naman ng author na may malinaw na improvement talaga kahit sa Panasonic 42" plasma HD nila: 

"We flipped back and forth between the TV's two HDMI inputs, and though the HD-DVD image was distinctly sharper and clearly had the edge, the difference wasn't huge.  We're pretty certain, however, that you'll see a much bigger difference the bigger you go."

Pero sabi din niya, "the difference wasn't huge"

If this is the case, then I believe its the 1080p that is worth waiting for (for my purposes), w/c is still not yet with the first gen players.

Its best to adopt late, IMO. I have no big complaints with DVD + upconverting DVDP's naman eh.

[Munskie]

Pag nauso high definition in 1080p, darami na rin at bababa mga presyo ng mga 1080p monitors.  I guess the next generation PJs would also be native 1080p.  I bet the successor to  panny ae900 would be native 1080p na rin....probably next year?   ang bilis din rin kasi magpalit ng panny. 

[pchin]

Sony BDP-S1 Blu-ray Player Delayed:

"Sony quietly announced on its Sony Style website that the BDP-S1 Blu-ray Disc Player won’t be shipping until “on or about August 15, 2006.” This is not quite the date the company had originally announced for the $1000 player, which was to coincide with the launch of the first disks. Samsung’s first Blu-ray player has its launch planned for around that same time, still on track for its scheduled June 25 rollout.

Let’s just hope when it finally does arrive, this Sony Blu-ray player not as half-baked as the lame Toshiba HD-A1, the unfortunate poster child for those who urge consumer electronics manufacturers to rush their products to market." – Charlie White

[barrister]

NEWS:  Blu-Ray Delayed Again.    ...  and again ...  and again ...


Sony Blu-ray player release date: formerly May 23, 2006; then June 25, 2006; then July 2006; now Aug. 15, 2006;

Samsung Blu-ray player release date: formerly June 25, 2006; then Aug. 2006; now Sept. 2006;

Pioneer Blu-ray player release date: formerly May 2006; then June 2006, now Sept. 2006. 


What next?


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June 8, 2006 — Does the BD abbreviation stand for Blu-ray Disc or Blu-ray Delayed?http://www.ultimateavmag.com/news/060806bluraydelays/

Samsung delay :   http://www.pocket-lint.co.uk/news.php?newsId=3626

Pioneer delay :  http://tech.moneycontrol.com/news/sony-and-pioneer-blu-ray-products-delayed/1495/india/

[pchin]

Maybe they should just save their embarrassment by indicating a safe release date such as 1 Jan 2007 instead making themselves look like fools....keep on postponing teh dates...

On a positive note, perhaps they are fine tuning their monster machines & will beat plus out-perform every crap out of HD-DVD?  Only time will tell...

[barrister]

Samsung sticks to its Jun. 25, 2006 release for U.S., but European release will be in Sept. 2006.

http://www.tgdaily.com/2006/06/14/samsung_to_launch_blu-ray_on_25_june/

[av_phile1]

Just curious what BD titles would be available come release date? Read that Fifth Element will be bundled with a Sony BD player.  Any other title?  TIA

[barrister]

June 20, 2006
• 50 First Dates (Sony)
• The Fifth Element (Sony)
• Hitch (Sony)
• House of Flying Daggers (Sony)
• A Knight's Tale (Sony)
• The Last Waltz (MGM)
• Resident Evil: Apocalypse (Sony)
• Underworld: Evolution (Sony)
• xXx (Sony)


Release Schedule:  http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/releasedates.html

[av_phile1]

Thanks Barrister, looks like there'd be close to 200 BD titles before the year ends. (assuming they get released before the year ends.  ) Hopefully, there'd be HT receivers with the proper audio decoders as well, or will they be limited to the players only?

[barrister]

Hopefully, there'd be HT receivers with the proper audio decoders as well, or will they be limited to the players only?

AFAIK, sa players lang ang lossless decoding for now and the immediate future.  Sa tingin ko, magkakaroon din ng decoding sa receivers, pero sigurado rin na matatagalan pa 'yon. 

But I still doubt if HD-DVD and BD sales will ever take off.  Parang DVD-Audio and SACD siguro 'yan.  I was surprised to learn that vinyl LP unit sales are even higher than the combined unit sales of DVD-Audio and SACD.   http://www.twice.com/article/CA6323582.html

[Munskie]

An article from audioholics...

10 Reasons Why High Definition DVD Formats Have Already Failed (clicky)