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Entertainment => Film & TV Talk => Television => Topic started by: anchit on Jan 12, 2010 at 06:46 PM
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Have you seen the video? After the performance of the group Osang asked several Qs about Jose Rizal and the poor guy wasnt able to respond, ang sabi ni Osang " Murahin mo ang teacher mo! Ako minura ko eh!" not the exact words.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Ktys7NPUVY
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Even though I know where she's coming from with that remark, it was poorly said and she should've just stopped the questioning at some point.
Teachers, especially the ones we have who are faced with so many of their own issues, can only do so much.
Did the powers that be really suspend the show? So much for democracy, free speech and all that jazz ;D I hope there's an organization that watches the watchdog and gets to remove the stick up their asses when things get stupid.
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True, the suspension goes against the right to free speech. Can our lawyers enlighten us about this?
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We have the freedom of speech but one cannot just say anything against anybody. OSANG I think is a born "BASTOS" and I am wondering why ABS-CBN is still contracting her on their shows. If her intention is just to catch attention, it is now abs-cbn that is suffering, sayang ang ganda pa naman ang show and we are actually watching that show.
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ekek lang naman suspension. "pinalitan" lang ng ibang pangalan yung napapanood ngayon kapalit ng showtime pero pareho ang format. mga artista kasali kesa mga ordinary contestants.
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foul naman si Osang ....dapat putulin na ang dila niya >:(
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Palagi na lang may ganitong controversy ang ABS CBN. :D
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in fairness naman sa showtime, they have kept the show clean and family-friendly the whole time not until osang came onboard. then it was two "infractions" agad in a matter of two days. first is her comment to vice ganda and the next day it was the teacher comment.
on the 2nd one, tingin ko medyo nagta-try sana magpakitang gilas si osang on her newfound "knowledge" online, thus the mention of wikipedia. thing is, it fell flat on her face (and unfortunately... the show). ::)
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Bakit naman kasi nagtyaga pa Kay osang ...Ito talagang abs walang kadala dala.pero bakit Kaya Ganun na Lang galit Nya sa teacher? Malamang natanong din sya ng Hindi Nya nasagot.
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^ Na-trauma siguro kaya ganun. Ako nga ang laki ng galit ko sa high school math teacher ko kaya hanggang ngayon iniiwasan ko ang nagbibilang ;D
We have the freedom of speech but one cannot just say anything against anybody.
No disrespect towards you and your opinion, but I beg to differ. In a true democracy, anybody can say anything about anyone as long as it is not libelous or slanderous. They have to back it up.
Osang's opinions were in general reference, so she's not targeting one specific teacher, which is good. But it's also bad because she did not clarify that only "some" teachers are like that and not "all". In that respect she was wrong. Any public or private organizations have the equal right to speak out against her and seek an apology.
But does she deserve a sanction or censure? Hell no. It's opinionated people like her which makes others talk and be more critical in their thinking. Case in point, this forum.
OSANG I think is a born "BASTOS" and I am wondering why ABS-CBN is still contracting her on their shows. If her intention is just to catch attention, it is now abs-cbn that is suffering, sayang ang ganda pa naman ang show and we are actually watching that show.
Let them suffer ;D
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This is actually really stupid. How is it different from Simon Cowell telling the demented American Idol applicants to sue their music teachers after really atrocious auditions? Buti nga ito, mura lang, hindi demanda.
That's the problem with many Pinoys, they're too sensitive and cannot take a joke. Look at that entire Desperate Housewives incident, which I took no offense at - despite being a doctor. Or who was the comedian Bong Revilla threatened to beat up after a joke about Filipina prostitutes or something?
The art of humor is lost on those with narrow minds.
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That's the problem with many Pinoys, they're too sensitive and cannot take a joke. Look at that entire Desperate Housewives incident, which I took no offense at - despite being a doctor. Or who was the comedian Bong Revilla threatened to beat up after a joke about Filipina prostitutes or something?
Take your pick ;D but the first one that comes to mind is Alec Baldwin when he went on Letterman.
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There you go. ;D
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Hmmm.... like Mr. Hankey mentioned, I think they're trying to mirror this reality show with a Simon Cowell local version. Osang's foul mouth antics won't sit well in a local audience otherwise they have to endure a year long suspension for her uncalled for remarks. Truth can be said in different ways but not too brash in tv audience.
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Just saw the youtube footages...
For me, ok lang naman ah, I did not think it is that offensive nor the need to over re-act (in my case). She is entitled to her own opinion especially sa ganitong klaseng entertainment venue.
Ang masama kung isang senador ang magsabi nito sa loob ng Senado.
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I've seen the video and for me, Osang went too far. And I'm not being onion skinned. I'm sure she wasn't thinking when she said that, if ever she's capable of that.
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True, the suspension goes against the right to free speech. Can our lawyers enlighten us about this?
I'll state the legal principles, then you decide ;).
1. Freedom of speech is not absolute, but subject to limitations.
2. The most liberal limitation to freedom of speech is the "clear and present danger" rule (Cabansag vs. Fernandez, 1957). The clear and present danger rule requires that "the evil consequence of the comment or utterance must be 'extremely serious and the degree of imminence extremely high' before the utterance can be punished. The danger to be guarded against is the 'substantive evil' sought to be prevented."
That was the rule applied in Iglesia ni Cristo vs. BRMPT (1996): http://sc.judiciary.gov.ph/jurisprudence/1996/jul1996/119673.htm (http://sc.judiciary.gov.ph/jurisprudence/1996/jul1996/119673.htm)
3. Freedom of speech can also be limited by the "balancing of interests" test (Soriano vs. Laguardia, 2009). In this test, public interest and freedom of speech are compared. If the public interest involved outweighs freedom of speech, then freedom of speech can be subjected to limitations.
4. The MTRCB has the power to preventively suspend a TV program, even without a prior hearing. Thus, the Supreme Court held in Soriano vs. Laguardia:
The preventive suspension was actually done in furtherance of the law, imposed pursuant, to repeat, to the MTRCB’s duty of regulating or supervising television programs, pending a determination of whether or not there has actually been a violation. In the final analysis, Sec. 3, Chapter XIII of the 2004 IRR merely formalized a power which PD 1986 bestowed, albeit impliedly, on MTRCB.
Just as untenable is petitioner’s argument on the nullity of the preventive suspension order on the ground of lack of hearing. ... Under Sec. 3, Chapter XIII of the IRR of PD 1986, preventive suspension shall issue “any time during the pendency of the case.” ... At any event, that preventive suspension can validly be meted out even without a hearing.
If you're interested in Philippine jurisprudence concerning freedom of speech vs. the MTRCB, the Soriano vs. Laguardia case is a must-read. It's about the suspension of Bro. Eli Soriano's Ang Dating Daan TV show:
http://sc.judiciary.gov.ph/jurisprudence/2009/april2009/164785_165636.htm (http://sc.judiciary.gov.ph/jurisprudence/2009/april2009/164785_165636.htm)
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Thanks, Barrister.
In your opinion, was Roces' outburst protected by freedom of speech?
And do you think that the MTRCB's power runs counter to this right?
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Iniiwasan ko sanang sagutin nang derecho, e... :D
Sabi ni Osang, "Oo, walanghiya yang mga teacher na yan, hindi nila sinasabi yung totoo sa atin, e. ... Dahil ang mga teacher, they were just repeaters."
Ngayon, ang sinasabi ni Osang, she was "not criticizing all teachers" naman daw. http://balita.ph/2010/01/13/actress-rosanna-roces-breaks-silence-on-abs-cbns-showtime-controversy/ (http://balita.ph/2010/01/13/actress-rosanna-roces-breaks-silence-on-abs-cbns-showtime-controversy/)
In your opinion, was Roces' outburst protected by freedom of speech?
Personally, I think those comments go beyond fair criticism, and as such should not be considered free speech. Her comments not only unfairly disparage members of a noble profession, they also encourage kids to be boorish and disrespectful.
Masyado naman yatang mayabang si Osang. Gusto lang niyang patunugin na matalino siyang tao.
Madali namang sumagot ng sarili mong tanong, e. Subukin naman niyang sumagot ng tanong na hindi nanggaling sa sarili niya... ;)
And do you think that the MTRCB's power runs counter to this right?
No. The MTRCB's power to suspend has been repeatedly declared by the Supreme Court to be constitutionally valid. Besides, a complainant has the right to seek relief from the courts, in case the MTRCB abuses its discretion.
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Just saw the youtube footages...
For me, ok lang naman ah, I did not think it is that offensive nor the need to over re-act (in my case). She is entitled to her own opinion especially sa ganitong klaseng entertainment venue.
Ang masama kung isang senador ang magsabi nito sa loob ng Senado.
it's a case of bad example. just imagine a student "minumura" ang teacher. it's a big no-no sir. to think that we tell our students to have high regard towards their teachers. if a student feels that his/her teacher is not teaching him well, there are proper ways of addressing that issue. not thru murahin ang teacher.. ::)
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^ Na-trauma siguro kaya ganun. Ako nga ang laki ng galit ko sa high school math teacher ko kaya hanggang ngayon iniiwasan ko ang nagbibilang ;D
No disrespect towards you and your opinion, but I beg to differ. In a true democracy, anybody can say anything about anyone as long as it is not libelous or slanderous. They have to back it up.
Osang's opinions were in general reference, so she's not targeting one specific teacher, which is good. But it's also bad because she did not clarify that only "some" teachers are like that and not "all". In that respect she was wrong. Any public or private organizations have the equal right to speak out against her and seek an apology.
But does she deserve a sanction or censure? Hell no. It's opinionated people like her which makes others talk and be more critical in their thinking. Case in point, this forum.
Let them suffer ;D
+1111...yes, let them suffer. ::)
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osang may be rude bastos etc but she also got b*lls to say it? ::)
sana lang kinumpleto nya at sinabi ang sagot...
btw eto wikipedia info ni osang > José Protasio Rizal Mercado y Alonso Realonda
José Rizal's parents, Francisco Engracio Rizal Mercado y Alejandra II (1818-1898) and Teodora Alonso y Quintos(1827-1911).
bakit kaya di JPRMercado? ::)
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Sinabi naman ni Osang na nasa Wikipedia raw ang sagot.
"... José dropped the last three names that make up his full name, at the advice of his brother, Paciano Rizal Mercado, and the Rizal Mercado family, thus rendering his name as "José Protasio Rizal". ... This was to enable him to travel freely and disassociate him from his brother, who had gained notoriety with his earlier links with native priests who were sentenced to death as subversives."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jos%C3%A9_Rizal#Family
However, since Wikipedia's explanation does not cite any source, the said explanation should therefore be considered unreliable.
A little knowledge is a dangerous thing ... ;)
The oldest true profession (and it is not in ‘Showtime’)
Written by Tito Genova Valiente
Wednesday, 13 January 2010 18:36
... This woman went on and on calling teachers “repeaters” and, to prove that she was making sense, she gave her most intelligent advice for the day: Wikipedia.
Now that makes sense. She consults Wikipedia. Perhaps, someone should tell her she can add her ideas anytime in Wikipedia so that when she consults the site, she will be listening to herself. ...
http://businessmirror.com.ph/home/life/20845-the-oldest-true-profession-and-it-is-not-in-showtime.html
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that's why I never cite Wikipedia as a reliable source, even if they have footnotes and cite their sources. I still rely on our old encyclopedias at the office and cross-check with current information.
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the major ingredient to creating conflict and wide gap is the lost of mutual respect.. worst when it is young children/students who disrespected elders like teachers .. i can not imagine students bad mouthing a teacher because of incompetence or inefficiency
if there was an issue with a teacher or teachers there are civilize (and acceptable) ways to take.. not the way Osang did
there are dedicated yet low salaried teachers and there are ineffective ones.. others may be abusive pa nga.. kaya she should have qualified immediately her remarks
when Claire Danes commented negatively about Manila i was not offended.. rather, it sparked hope that Manila leaders will take it constructively and address the issues productively primarily for the benefit of folks of Manila.. but my hope was cut short when politicos joined the bandwagon in lambasting the actress :(
hence, negative remarks are taken on a case to case basis.. no fast rule
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I suppose I should be glad that kids don't hold Osang in high esteem to emulate her or her mindless rumblings.
That's what concerns me more.
The slighted profession once considered noble can either improve themselves to prove her wrong or bring her to court.
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I suppose I should be glad that kids don't hold Osang in high esteem to emulate her or her mindless rumblings.
That's what concerns me more.
The slighted profession once considered noble can either improve themselves to prove her wrong or bring her to court.
They cannot bring her to court since no particular individual can claim he/she was defamed by her remarks. The remark referred to teachers in general.
I think this is actually protected by free speech. We all criticize government officials openly. Lawyers in general are mocked. What makes teachers untouchable?
Teaching is indeed a noble profession, but if she has qualms about the current state of our teaching methods and the quality of teachers we have, why can't she criticize them as well? I won't go as far as using offensive words against teachers, but a student also has a right to quality education and he/she has a right to demand that right.
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No disrespect towards you and your opinion, but I beg to differ. In a true democracy, anybody can say anything about anyone as long as it is not libelous or slanderous. They have to back it up.
Bro -- my opinion is not based on what the law says, but on good manners and right conduct as a matured individual with a normal mind. Even the uneduacted knows this. :)
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gimik lang to... :D
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Bro -- my opinion is not based on what the law says, but on good manners and right conduct as a matured individual with a normal mind. Even the uneduacted knows this. :)
Who said the law dictated my opinion? Whichever way you take it, democracy is a concept or principle, not a law enacted by any one person. From democracy stems laws -- not the other way around.
I'm a fairly educated person -- not a masters degree holder or anything like that -- and I know this :)
By the way, you may want to edit the misspelling of "uneducated"... just trying to help...
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I think this is actually protected by free speech. We all criticize government officials openly. Lawyers in general are mocked. What makes teachers untouchable?
Teaching is indeed a noble profession, but if she has qualms about the current state of our teaching methods and the quality of teachers we have, why can't she criticize them as well? I won't go as far as using offensive words against teachers, but a student also has a right to quality education and he/she has a right to demand that right.
Kawawa rin kasi ang mga teacher natin, kasi. A majority are underpaid and have to really struggle. I know many incompetent teachers in all my years as a student -- pero for every 10 or 20 teachers that are bad it only takes 1 good teacher to have my respect for that noble profession. Marami rin naman magaling pero kailangan dumami pa.
Osang can mock all she wants. People have already voiced their opinions about her and she's getting the consequences of her actions.
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Bro -- my opinion is not based on what the law says, but on good manners and right conduct as a matured individual with a normal mind. Even the uneduacted knows this. :)
unfortunately there are some people with utter disregard for this >:(
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osang has been sanctioned. nag-issue na rin siya ng apology. let her face the consequences of her actions.
its a given - teaching is a noble profession.
question lang po. whats the state of our educational system? kamusta po ang kalidad ng pagtuturo at mga guro natin? dumarami ba o kumokonti ang mahusay na guro? baka naman yung magagaling na guro ay nasa mga private schools ang karamihan. paano na ang public education natin?
di ba, karaniwang kaalaman na maraming magaling na guro ang nag-abroad na? maraming amerikano ngayon ang nakikinabang sa kahusayan ng mga gurong pinoy. at yung iba naman naging ofw- karaniwan ay DHsa hongkong mideast atbp bansa.
problema ang maliit na sweldo kaya napipilitang magsideline ng tocino longonisa atbp. isa pa ang mga mga aklat na mali-mali ang impormasyon na nakasulat.
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unfortunately there are some people with utter disregard for this >:(
Yes - and osang will be judged by people not on the legal implications of her verbal abuse, but on her dismal display of unsavory conduct as a woman.
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I think dapat buo-hin natin yung sinabi ni Osang and not just print this edited and somewhat out of context sentence:
Sabi ni Osang, "Oo, walanghiya yang mga teacher na yan, hindi nila sinasabi yung totoo sa atin, e. ... Dahil ang mga teacher, they were just repeaters."
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Part 1: (1st part on Rizal...)
"... e bakit naging Jose Protacio Rizal"? "Saguting mo nga... patay..."
"... murahin mo teacher mo ha..." "Ako minura ko teacher ko nung di nya nasagot sa akin yan"
"Oo, walanghiya yang mga teacher na yan, hindi sinasabi yung totoo sa atin, e."
Eto yung buong part 2:
Osang: "Kayong mga kabataan, wag kayong makokontento sa mga itinuturo ng libro at ng mga teacher...
magtatanong po kayo, di masama yuon"
"Oo, dahil ang mga teacher, they were just repeaters... tinuturo nila kung ano ang naituro sa kanila... ... di na nila tinuturo kung ano ang gustong malaman ng mga bata".
"Yan... isang trivia para sa iyo, hanapin mo, i-wikipidea mo malalaman mo kung bakit.... "
(irrelevant na yung kasunod)
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For the 1st part "murahin mo teacher mo... ako minura ko teacher ko nung di nya masagot yan e... - I think that is way off line. Pero for the 2nd part I think it made sense kung ano yung sinasabi nya. Yung sinasabi nya na "repeaters" di ibig sabihin na bumagsak ang mga teachers at nag repeat sila sa school. It meant that "repeaters" dahil kung paano magturo ang mga teachers dati, yun din ang maituturo nila kaya students should should not be contended with what is being teached. "Magtanong kayo, di masama yun..." - Ang ganda diba at tama?
Your thoughts guys?
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Bottom line if we view the entire clip, and listen to wha she said iisa ang magiging conclusion, galit na galit siya sa mga teachers and she was verbally abusing them. And her facial expression and gestures evidence this.
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I think dapat buo-hin natin yung sinabi ni Osang and not just print this edited and somewhat out of context sentence:
Sabi ni Osang, "Oo, walanghiya yang mga teacher na yan, hindi nila sinasabi yung totoo sa atin, e. ... Dahil ang mga teacher, they were just repeaters."
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Part 1: (1st part on Rizal...)
"... e bakit naging Jose Protacio Rizal"? "Saguting mo nga... patay..."
"... murahin mo teacher mo ha..." "Ako minura ko teacher ko nung di nya nasagot sa akin yan"
"Oo, walanghiya yang mga teacher na yan, hindi sinasabi yung totoo sa atin, e."
Eto yung buong part 2:
Osang: "Kayong mga kabataan, wag kayong makokontento sa mga itinuturo ng libro at ng mga teacher...
magtatanong po kayo, di masama yuon"
"Oo, dahil ang mga teacher, they were just repeaters... tinuturo nila kung ano ang naituro sa kanila... ... di na nila tinuturo kung ano ang gustong malaman ng mga bata".
"Yan... isang trivia para sa iyo, hanapin mo, i-wikipidea mo malalaman mo kung bakit.... "
(irrelevant na yung kasunod)
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For the 1st part "murahin mo teacher mo... ako minura ko teacher ko nung di nya masagot yan e... - I think that is way off line. Pero for the 2nd part I think it made sense kung ano yung sinasabi nya. Yung sinasabi nya na "repeaters" di ibig sabihin na bumagsak ang mga teachers at nag repeat sila sa school. It meant that "repeaters" dahil kung paano magturo ang mga teachers dati, yun din ang maituturo nila kaya students should should not be contended with what is being teached. "Magtanong kayo, di masama yun..." - Ang ganda diba at tama?
Your thoughts guys?
you had me at "for the 1st part..." ;D
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I think dapat buo-hin natin yung sinabi ni Osang and not just print this edited and somewhat out of context sentence:
Sabi ni Osang, "Oo, walanghiya yang mga teacher na yan, hindi nila sinasabi yung totoo sa atin, e. ... Dahil ang mga teacher, they were just repeaters."
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Part 1: (1st part on Rizal...)
"... e bakit naging Jose Protacio Rizal"? "Saguting mo nga... patay..."
"... murahin mo teacher mo ha..." "Ako minura ko teacher ko nung di nya nasagot sa akin yan"
"Oo, walanghiya yang mga teacher na yan, hindi sinasabi yung totoo sa atin, e."
Eto yung buong part 2:
Osang: "Kayong mga kabataan, wag kayong makokontento sa mga itinuturo ng libro at ng mga teacher...
magtatanong po kayo, di masama yuon"
"Oo, dahil ang mga teacher, they were just repeaters... tinuturo nila kung ano ang naituro sa kanila... ... di na nila tinuturo kung ano ang gustong malaman ng mga bata".
"Yan... isang trivia para sa iyo, hanapin mo, i-wikipidea mo malalaman mo kung bakit.... "
(irrelevant na yung kasunod)
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For the 1st part "murahin mo teacher mo... ako minura ko teacher ko nung di nya masagot yan e... - I think that is way off line. Pero for the 2nd part I think it made sense kung ano yung sinasabi nya. Yung sinasabi nya na "repeaters" di ibig sabihin na bumagsak ang mga teachers at nag repeat sila sa school. It meant that "repeaters" dahil kung paano magturo ang mga teachers dati, yun din ang maituturo nila kaya students should should not be contended with what is being teached. "Magtanong kayo, di masama yun..." - Ang ganda diba at tama?
Your thoughts guys?
wow! just reading the whole things hurts my head but i want to put my 2-cents.: (to the 2nd part)
my mom's a former teacher and i want to believe that she's not a repeater of facts. there are different ways of teaching students but she's a good, nah, a better teacher simply because she was able to impart to her students her expertise and the different learnings that she acquired from her student days and from life itself. teachers are just repeaters if they simply lecture what they learn during their college days but never exerted any effort to know if their students really learn something. she's just teacher centered, not student centered and that's where my mom differs from "repeater" teachers.
on the 1st part : we grew up trying to learn the very basic of virtues and values. there's no argument on how respect should be accorded to all. respect begets respect.