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Home Theater => Displays => Flat Panels => Topic started by: lotus on Oct 14, 2010 at 04:25 AM
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is it worth buying?
i need it for a very small room only
18.5” LCD Display - P6,800.00
HDTV Compatible: 1080p / 1080i/720p/576p/480p
OSD Language: English / French
TV System Support: PAL N/M; NTSC/M
Aspect Ratio: 16:9
Contrast Ratio: 1000:1
Brightness: 300cd/ m2
Resolution: 1366 x 768
View Angle: 160 (H) x 160 (V)
Response Time: 5ms
Power Supply: AC 220V / 60Hz
HDMI, USB, Component, S-Video, AV IN, VGA, PC Audio, Headphone & RF Antenna
22” LCD Display - P9,500.00
HDTV Compatible: 1080p / 1080i/720p/576p/480p
OSD Language: English / French
TV System Support: PAL N/M; NTSC/M
Aspect Ratio: 16:10
Contrast Ratio: 1000:1
Brightness: 300cd/ m2
Resolution: 1680 x 1050
View Angle: 160 (H) x 160 (V)
Response Time: 5ms
Power Supply: AC 220V / 60Hz
HDMI, USB, Component, S-Video, AV IN, VGA, PC Audio, Headphone & RF Antenna
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If budget is scarce, pwede na yan.
IINM, 32" is about P12k lang! :)
Please keep us posted. :)
A review would be good. :)
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why not get a samsung 2333hd 23' lcd monitor instead of cd-r king
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(http://cdrking.com/apanel/modules/products/images/large/7832_10.jpg)(http://cdrking.com/apanel/modules/products/images/large/7832_1.jpg)
Features
# 32” LCD Display
# HDTV Compatible: 1080p / 1080i/720p/576p/480p
# OSD Language: English / French
# TV System Support: PAL N/M; NTSC/M
# Aspect Ratio: 16:9
# Contrast Ratio: 5000:1
# Brightness: 450cd/ m2
# Resolution: 1366 x 768
# View Angle: 178 (H) x 178 (V)
# Response Time: 5ms
# Power Supply: AC 220V / 60Hz
# HDMI, USB, Component, S-Video, AV IN1/IN2, VGA, PC Audio, Headphone & RF Antenna
Price: P14,800.00
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wag na sir, madaming medyo branded na mura na ngayon. importante yung warranty at service center.
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sayang lang pera mo dyan.may mga ibang products naman sila na maayos ayos kaso karamihan as for my experience is after warranty nasisisra na
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May nakasubok na ba? or wala talagang gustong sumubok.hihi
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LG 37LD460 ka nalang. Best bang for the buck! :)
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LG 37LD460 ka nalang. Best bang for the buck! :)
+1,meron nga ako nakita sa gh lalaki my bitbit na 32 galing cd-r king ,hehe,sa isip ko nagkamali ka ng bili :D
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kakahiya naman pag may bitbitin yan.. ;D
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32 incher sa presyong 12k - 14k?
Sinong nagtitipid ang aayaw diyan, basta may warranty...
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32 incher sa presyong 12k - 14k?
Sinong nagtitipid ang aayaw diyan, basta may warranty...
cdr king warranty is only months like 3 mos i think
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dami rin ako nakikitang my bitbit nito,masabi lang ba na naka lcd kahit cd-r king ok na? :'( :'(
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cdr king warranty is only months like 3 mos i think
as of lastweek the price of the 32"cdrking lcd has gone down to 13,900pesos.
Warranty is 1yr
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more trouble than it's worth in the long run,IMHO.
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If it has one year warranty, then it would be at par to the branded ones. It would be well worth to take the risk.
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If one really wants to take the risk of losing 14k-15k ok lang siguro, but with my experience with CDR-king, dagdag na lang siguro ako ng konti for an LG or samsung... sale pa naman sa Abenson. :)
Dami ko nabili sa cdrking na sira na after ilang months lang.. even the inverter that I bought from them.
don't throw the box away, di tatanggapin ng CDR King yan kung wala yung box and everything... ano kaya gagawin nila sa packaging... or way lang ito para mahirapan ang client nila mag-return ng items...
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dami rin ako nakikitang my bitbit nito,masabi lang ba na naka lcd kahit cd-r king ok na? :'( :'(
kakahiya naman pag may bitbitin yan.. ;D
I really believe that the people who bought this are very happy with their purchase as these are not your typical pdvd consumers. They're probably not looking at contrast ratios, color saturation, HD video support via USB, response rate, etc.
Masaya sila kasi nakabili sila ng fairly large tv na LCD na mura with their hard-earned money. More power to them.
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^ very true.
Many people are oblivious to picture quality.
They're simply wow'd that they already have a LCD ::)
Does anybody know what kind of panel does CD-R King use?
Cguro it comes from the same manufacturer as the changhong & Coby LCD's
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I am actually thinking of getting one. Parang ok syang ilagay sa kitchen para me mapanuodan mga kasambahay. Parang ok yung 18.5".
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These are probably low-grade panels and I wouldn't be surprised if there's quite a few dead/stuck pixels. 5000:1 contrast ratio is also pretty low, most other entry-level sets start at 15,000:1 nowadays.
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Para rin sa audio pag mura, mura din ang tunog hehe, pero karamihan siguro ay hindi tumitingin sa quality basta meron ok na. Sa mga gustong sobrang mura ok na yan... but if your a typical PDVD member na gusto may mataas na kalidad ang binibili..,(Magandang PQ, mataas na contrast ratio, magandang kulay etc...). Siguro nga magdadag na lang at kumuha ng branded na medyo mura.,huwag yung brand S...,sobrang mahal hehe joke lang :)
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+1..
May tama ka bro.
S = Sobrang lokohan ang pricing.. hehe.. :)
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I really believe that the people who bought this are very happy with their purchase as these are not your typical pdvd consumers. They're probably not looking at contrast ratios, color saturation, HD video support via USB, response rate, etc.
Masaya sila kasi nakabili sila ng fairly large tv na LCD na mura with their hard-earned money. More power to them.
Totally agree, and I guess it would also apply for regular pdvd members requiring extra tv units ... we do not really watch HD movies all the time ... 5-10k price difference is substantial savings
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as the saying goes: ignorance is bliss...
i just hope the people who will buy this unit doesn't get screwed over for their hard earned money. magbigay man lang ng maayos na after sales service ang cdr king
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it's hard to trust their line of products when lots of your purchase from them bugged down after just a coupe of weeks...much more on this 14-15K item..
better think twice, imho.
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I think it's the same one with Ovation. They have the same round stand.
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4016/4260932785_ef55b2126b.jpg)
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I was at cdr king today to get some stuff and saw there 22" and 32".
They said it comes with 1 year service warranty and 1 month replacement warranty.
This is a bit OT but since we are talking about cdrking.
So I got an imation headset for 150. I asked the warranty she said 3 months. Then I paid for it. She told me "sir wala pang sukli sandali lang po" 15 minutes had passed
The the conversation went like this:
HD "may nagpabarya ba?
saleslady: wala po nagiintay po kami na may magbayad ng 50 na pera.
HD: teka paano yan kung mamaya pang 6pm magkaroon ng customer na magbabayad ng 50.
saleslady: Opo iintayin po
HD:Dapat kayo gagawa ng paraan. Hindi kami ang paiintayin nyo
(then a few customers also waiting for there change joined me in the discussion and the cashier then started to panic and asked if anyone in their staff had change.
Saleslady: Sir ito na po ung 50, ung warranty po 1 month lang
HD: teka sabi mo 3 months 3 times kita tinanong
Saleslady: 1 month lang
HD: miss 2 strikes ka na
So hmmm do you think CDR king will really adhere to their 1 year service warranty for LCD tvs and 1 month replacement?? Go figure. ;D
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toshiba regza 32" 19k @ sights and sounds shangrila
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6,800 for for an 18.5 in. cd-r king monitor? I dont think its a good idea. I got an LG 19in. LCD for only 6.5k.. with 1year warranty and LG is believed to have a very good after sales support...
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6,800 for for an 18.5 in. cd-r king monitor? I dont think its a good idea. I got an LG 19in. LCD for only 6.5k.. with 1year warranty and LG is believed to have a very good after sales support...
I think its already a TV sir.
I bought a wireless mouse last week, it lasted 4 seconds. nyahahaha
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P5,900 na lang yung 18.5 in na LCDTV.
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I don't know the "build" quality of this little T.V, but the picture quality was not as bad as I thought it would be.
My staff went out and purchased this T.V along with a PS3 so they could swing at something during break hours. I didn't really get to spend so much time looking at the CDRking LCD, but as far back as I can remember, it even fares better than the old Samsung S7 LCD.
Perhaps if there is a "substantial" interest, then we may just have to look at it again.
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Malay natin maganda nga... Their servo AVR's are top notch, after all...
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Kung bibili kayo CDRKing LCD pa-gift wrap nyo na lang para di makita ng iba hehehe!
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P5,900 na lang yung 18.5 in na LCDTV.
Even with all the negativity here, I finally bought their P5,900 18.5 in na LCDTV (btw, this is already an LCD TV and not just a monitor). So far happy naman ako lalo na mga kasambahay ko (I placed it in the kitchen). My mom actually spends more time now in the kitchen watching her favorite soap with our kasambahays ;D (she has her own Panny 32" LCD TV in her room).
When I was inside the CDR store in UP AYALA Technohub, i was actually impresssed as well with their 32" LCD TV. Maganda ha, as in pwede na sya talaga, and mura sya.
Just don't ask much about the unit from their staff cause they know nothing about the LCDs. So I just figured out that there is only one way to find out kung tatagal ba tong unit na to at kung ok ba o hindi, kaya I bought one ;D (18.5"). My brother, who is a certified boobtube addict since birth, actually commented "maganda din pala ah... mura pa"!
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Magkano ang 32" nila? I'm thinking if I will be placing it in my kids room and mainly for Wii lang and DVD watching baka ok na din ang CD R King LCD TV. Lalu na kung ok ang price.
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6,800 for for an 18.5 in. cd-r king monitor? I dont think its a good idea. I got an LG 19in. LCD for only 6.5k.. with 1year warranty and LG is believed to have a very good after sales support...
Sir, could you kindly post or PM to me where you bought your LG LCD. I'm planning on getting one.
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Magkano ang 32" nila? I'm thinking if I will be placing it in my kids room and mainly for Wii lang and DVD watching baka ok na din ang CD R King LCD TV. Lalu na kung ok ang price.
Parang 13,+++ lang yung 32" nila. Naka highlight display sa CDR King UP AYALA Techno hub.
So far nakaka 3days na yung 18.5" ko at gumagana pa, hahaha! Ok naman it is a decent LCD TV.
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Sir, could you kindly post or PM to me where you bought your LG LCD. I'm planning on getting one.
asainic, SM baliuag..
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asainic, SM baliuag..
Noted. Alam ko yun SM Baliwag pero saan yun asainic?
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Noted. Alam ko yun SM Baliwag pero saan yun asainic?
it's somewhere inside sm baliuag, im not sure of the names nung mga katabi nia na stores pero mga computer stores din po un....
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it's somewhere inside sm baliuag, im not sure of the names nung mga katabi nia na stores pero mga computer stores din po un....
Okay! Thanks. Question though, TV ito ha, hindi lang monitor? Cuz computer shop kasi... May tuner na...?
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Sir, could you kindly post or PM to me where you bought your LG LCD. I'm planning on getting one.
You can get an 18.5 in Samsung LED monitor at around the same price. Go to PCHub in Gilmore.
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Please guys. The topic is for an LCD TV so stop comparing the price with a LED/LCD Monitor only. Baka maya magexpect yung iba nakakabasa na ganon na talaga kababa ang price ng mga TV.
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Please guys. The topic is for an LCD TV so stop comparing the price with a LED/LCD Monitor only. Baka maya magexpect yung iba nakakabasa na ganon na talaga kababa ang price ng mga TV.
Thanks. LCD TV kasi ang hanap ko. Kapag monitor kasi, bibili pa ako ng tuner. Mapapamahal din.
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Sir LCD TV nga ito. Ibig sabihin no need to buy a tuner. Plug and play na ito. Depende na lang if you are comfortable with the brand or you prefer branded (Samsung, LG etc) ones.
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Sir LCD TV nga ito. Ibig sabihin no need to buy a tuner. Plug and play na ito. Depende na lang if you are comfortable with the brand or you prefer branded (Samsung, LG etc) ones.
Yep. I know. I was merely agreeing with Nikkie re LCD TV. ;)
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Please guys. The topic is for an LCD TV so stop comparing the price with a LED/LCD Monitor only. Baka maya magexpect yung iba nakakabasa na ganon na talaga kababa ang price ng mga TV.
Please clarify your posts @ c.a. and Verbl Kint. As mentioned here by Nikkie, this thread is about an LCD TV and not an lcd monitor only.
The CDR King LCD TV 18.5" sells at P5,900. C.A. you claim that your LG 19in LCD is only 6.5k? Is this a TV or just a monitor? Please clarify for all PinoyDVD members please.
@ Verbl Kint, TV ba yung 18.5 Samsung LED monitor that you are claiming to have same price (around the same price)? Kse LED na to tapos malapit lang sa P5,900? Please clarify for all here.
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@ Verbl Kint, TV ba yung 18.5 Samsung LED monitor that you are claiming to have same price (around the same price)? Kse LED na to tapos malapit lang sa P5,900? Please clarify for all here.
Here's my original post (boldface mine):
You can get an 18.5 in Samsung LED monitor at around the same price. Go to PCHub in Gilmore.
Hope this clarifies.
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Here's my original post (boldface mine):
Hope this clarifies.
Thanks Verbl Kint. Btw OT, would you know the exact price for this kse I am also looking for a LED monitor for my PC ;D.
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s0rry for the confusion, monitor lang po ito...
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Thanks Verbl Kint. Btw OT, would you know the exact price for this kse I am also looking for a LED monitor for my PC ;D.
18.5" Samsung™ (EX1920X) LED Backlit LCD wide all black (glossy), 1366x768 d-sub/DVI --- php6150
Other choices:
LG 20" (E2040T) LED Backlit LCD PHP 6990.00
LG 20" (E2040S) LED Backlit LCD (no DVI) PHP 5990.00
BenQ 18.5" (GL930A) LED backlit wide PHP 5000.00
Prices taken from:
http://www.tipidpc.com/useritems.php?username=PCHub
All of the above are plain old PC monitors.
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The 32" CD-R King LCD TV is now priced at P13,900 (used to be P14,800).
http://www.cdrking.com/?mod=products&type=view&sid=7832&main=42
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So far nakaka 3days na yung 18.5" ko at gumagana pa, hahaha! Ok naman it is a decent LCD TV.
Kinda funny and sad at the same time how low expectations could be from this brand ;D
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Kinda funny and sad at the same time how low expectations could be from this brand ;D
i agree.3 days lang e parang amazing na buhay pa. ;D ;D
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mukhang tatagal yung CDR King LCD ko. So far nagagandahan pa din ako sa kanya lalo na kapag naalala ko price nya ;D. Bset of all happy mga tao sa kusina namin ;D.
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^Gano na katagal ang CDR King LCD mo?
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^Gano na katagal ang CDR King LCD mo?
Bought the unit last Nov 11, 2010. So far it is a very good buy.
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Happy mga kasambahay mo? You mentioned that for 3-4 times already.. hmmmm. I wonder... ???
Anyway, keep us posted with that T.V
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question lang .. working pa ito ? worth the price ba ?
..kasi planning on buying a same line of product from cdr king..
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Yes, perfectly working pa rin to! Sulit na naka 1 year na pala to hehe.
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I own a 15" lcd. Ok naman. Mga 2 months pa lang. Complete siya. May audio/video output pa. Siya lang din ata ang may hdmi input for a 15".
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Yes, perfectly working pa rin to! Sulit na naka 1 year na pala to hehe.
uu, hehe . kaya naging interested ako if gumagana pa ba rin .heehehe
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Been more than a year already since I posted a comment on here, and apparently the tone of discussion is still the same: owning a cd-r king LCD TV is akin to a hospital deathwatch - happy ka na lang na buhay pa rin s'ya on a day-to-day basis :P
But wait. I recently saw a 32" Avision LCD available for P14K cash sa Virra Mall. Why not go for that brand instead which, based on other threads here at PDVD, is actually reliable and has way better PQ?
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Been more than a year already since I posted a comment on here, and apparently the tone of discussion is still the same: owning a cd-r king LCD TV is akin to a hospital deathwatch - happy ka na lang na buhay pa rin s'ya on a day-to-day basis :P
But wait. I recently saw a 32" Avision LCD available for P14K cash sa Virra Mall. Why not go for that brand instead which, based on other threads here at PDVD, is actually reliable and has way better PQ?
Oo nga naman
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Been more than a year already since I posted a comment on here, and apparently the tone of discussion is still the same: owning a cd-r king LCD TV is akin to a hospital deathwatch - happy ka na lang na buhay pa rin s'ya on a day-to-day basis :P
But wait. I recently saw a 32" Avision LCD available for P14K cash sa Virra Mall. Why not go for that brand instead which, based on other threads here at PDVD, is actually reliable and has way better PQ?
for a thousand more why not get an LG instead?
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for a thousand more why not get an LG instead?
Agree. LG 32LK310 FTW!
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CDRking 40inch 1080p LCD TV, 17k na lang
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The 32in LCD is now at P11.5k:
(http://www.cdrking.com/apanel/modules/products/images/large/11398_2.jpg)
Specification
Panel: 32” LCD display
Display resolution: WXGA 1366 (H) x 768 (V) pixels
Brightness: 350cd/m2
Contrast: 1200:1
System: PAL/NTSC
HDMI resolution: 480i/p, 576i/p, 720p, 1080i/P
YprPb resolution: 480i/p, 576i/p, 720p, 1080i/P
VGA resolution: Up to 1360 x 760 @ 60
Response time: 8ms, auto power off
Viewing angle: 178°(H) x 178°(V)
Aspect ration: 16:9 wide screen
Maximum colors: 16.7M (8-bit)
Reception: AIR, CATV
Audio output: 2*10W
Support Multi-Language
Support video via USB
Power consumption: 135W (Working) / 0.5W (Standby)
and another model:
(http://www.cdrking.com/apanel/modules/products/images/large/11400_3.jpg)
Specification
Panel: 32” LCD display
Resolution: 1366*768 HD
Contrast ratio: 2000:1 Max.
Brightness: 450cd/m2
Response time: 5ms
Color: 16.7M
Viewing angle: H:170°; V: 160°
Power consumption(Operating): ≤160W
With speaker/audio power consumption: 7W*2
HDMI, USB, VGA, YpbPr, S-Video, AV Input, AV Output
PAL-M, N, NTSC-M Support
Support video via USB
Support Multi-Language
Power supply: AC100~240V 60/50Hz, 1.5A
32in LED is at 12.5k:
(http://www.cdrking.com/apanel/modules/products/images/large/11397_3.jpg)
(http://www.cdrking.com/apanel/modules/products/images/large/11397_4.jpg)
Specification
Panel: 32” LED display
Display resolution: WXGA 1366 (H) x 768 (V) pixels
Brightness: 300cd/m2
Contrast: 1200:1
System: PAL/NTSC
HDMI resolution: 480i/p, 576i/p, 720p, 1080i/P
YprPb resolution: 480i/p, 576i/p, 720p, 1080i/P
VGA resolution: Up to 1360 x 768 @ 60
Response time: 8ms, auto power off
Viewing angle: 178°(H) x 178°(V)
Aspect ratio: 16:9 wide screen
Maximum colors: 16.7M (8-bit)
Reception: AIR, CATV
Audio output: 2*10W
Support video via USB
Power consumption: 65W(Working) / 0.5W(Standby)
Power supply: AC100 – 240 ~ 50/60HZ
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grabeh... pamura na ang lcd/led product ni cdr king... waiting for more feedbacks ... bibili na rin kami later..
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Any feedback on this LCD TV? Anyone who bought a unit a year ago? Is it still working?
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kung matibay lang ang cdr king, best buy yan sana. kso nde lahat ng items ganun eh
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Word on the message boards is that CD-R King products are hit or miss, but the TV's are generally good.
It has a 1-year warranty, too.
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Word on the message boards is that CD-R King products are hit or miss, but the TV's are generally good.
It has a 1-year warranty, too.
And i think minimum dead pixels is 20 pixels before you can claim warranty.
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And i think minimum dead pixels is 20 pixels before you can claim warranty.
wow ang dami ;D
sa regular retailers 5 and above :)
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go for branded one. maasahan kasi kapag branded :)
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go for branded one. maasahan kasi kapag branded :)
Marami na ring nakabili ng branded na pinapalitan mga tv nila.
The important thing is going to a seller you can trust and would act on warranties immediately.
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wow ang dami ;D
sa regular retailers 5 and above :)
kay sir vic nga kahit isa lang papalitan na nya e. ;D
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wow ang dami ;D
sa regular retailers 5 and above :)
To bring a Full HD 40" TV to a 16.8k price point, they probably had to cut some corners. Isa na yan siguro dun. :)
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it all boils down to service when its a hit or miss thing. all brands have their own probabilities regarding dead pixels and defective units. its really depends on your budget and the availability of service. many brands from sony all the way to promac have their own QUALIFIED technicians and service parts inventory for common replacement parts. does cdrking have one? i believe the owner is also a pdvd member.
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Price update:
32inch LED w/ built in MKV, media player: 10,990 PHP na lang
Dun sa mga naka bili ng more than 1 year ago. kamusta na?
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Price update:
32inch LED w/ built in MKV, media player: 10,990 PHP na lang
Dun sa mga naka bili ng more than 1 year ago. kamusta na?
Mine is still working. Though very seldom used. Never dit try to look for any dead pixels or whatsoever.
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The CDR King 18.5 LCDTV I bought in 2010 (November) is still in very good condition. It is still being used and abused in my mother's kitchen sa partida na yun sa init at usok but still in good shape and picture quality still very good.
Not even once nasira or nagloko.
Nabura lang yung mga nakasulat sa remote ;D.
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mukang nakaka temp nga bumili nung 40" para ilagay sa kitchen..around 15k nalang kasi..hehe!
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mukang nakaka temp nga bumili nung 40" para ilagay sa kitchen..around 15k nalang kasi..hehe!
I'm tempted to get one to use as a monitor. I mean, 1920x1080 resolution and 40" at under 16K Php definitely seems good, particularly when it'll be used in favorable conditions (always airconditioned and will be used mostly at night). I already have a projector for TV, games and movies, talagang monitor lang to. Anyone else think this could be a good monitor?
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I'm tempted to get one to use as a monitor. I mean, 1920x1080 resolution and 40" at under 16K Php definitely seems good, particularly when it'll be used in favorable conditions (always airconditioned and will be used mostly at night). I already have a projector for TV, games and movies, talagang monitor lang to. Anyone else think this could be a good monitor?
Mine is still working. Though very seldom used. Never dit try to look for any dead pixels or whatsoever.
Used as purely monitor lang din.
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I'm tempted to get one to use as a monitor. I mean, 1920x1080 resolution and 40" at under 16K Php definitely seems good, particularly when it'll be used in favorable conditions (always airconditioned and will be used mostly at night). I already have a projector for TV, games and movies, talagang monitor lang to. Anyone else think this could be a good monitor?
Feeling ko same quality lang ng mga American Home and the like na ka-price nya.
I was surprised sa PQ nung Konzert 40" na halos ganito din ang price, yun nga lang yung bezel pansin mo na di ganun kaganda pagka-mold nung plastic.
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Feeling ko same quality lang ng mga American Home and the like na ka-price nya.
I was surprised sa PQ nung Konzert 40" na halos ganito din ang price, yun nga lang yung bezel pansin mo na di ganun kaganda pagka-mold nung plastic.
Thanks for the tip. Will look out for that one. On a related note, I saw a 32" Konzert LED TV at 16K Php cash and it looks just like an Apple Cinema Display. Really tempted to get it purely for thw design, but you never really know until you hook it up to a computer. From experience, not all HDTVs regardless of price are good for data use. I remember hooking up my laptop to Samsung Series 6 at a friend's house and the postprocessing from the TV wouldn't go away even if it was through VGA.
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Thanks for the tip. Will look out for that one. On a related note, I saw a 32" Konzert LED TV at 16K Php cash and it looks just like an Apple Cinema Display. Really tempted to get it purely for thw design, but you never really know until you hook it up to a computer. From experience, not all HDTVs regardless of price are good for data use. I remember hooking up my laptop to Samsung Series 6 at a friend's house and the postprocessing from the TV wouldn't go away even if it was through VGA.
Hmm, what if you change the input name to PC?
Also, I wonder if we can find more detailed specs on the panel and other components used in Konzert and other weird brands like Ganzklar.
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When you buy cdrking's lcd tv, you will have to sign a waiver that you cannot claim warranty on your unit until it has 5 dead pixels. There's a reason for this: almost every tv unit they have has dead pixels right out of the box. Substandard talaga ang mga products nila kaya mura. I bought a tv from them, then returned and demanded a refund the very next day.
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Siguro they use the cheaper or slightly defective panels that don't qualify for other manufacturers.