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Title: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: allenars on Oct 18, 2001 at 05:37 AM
???

what av receiver do you think is better because i'm already planning to buy the yamaha RX-v1000 but since there will be new models for the yamaha which is RX-V1200 & RX-V2200, i'm now naguguluhan??? how about onkyo and denon anong recommendation nyo?

thanks!
Title: Re: Which is better Denon, Onkyo or Yamaha Receive
Post by: robertj on Oct 18, 2001 at 07:10 AM
magkano budget mo? let's say 30K. ngayon sa 30K canvass ka kung ano-anung receiver ang mabibili sa ganong price then compare. kung kailangan mo ng pro-logic 2 then yamaha is out of the question dahil di pa niya supported to ewan ko lang dun sa pinost mong mga bagong model. tignan mo rin yung #s of digital input mas madami mas ok. almost every receiver meron ng component input switching so di na problema yun. look for multi-channel input to connect your future dvd-audio or SACD player. another important thing is to look for the pure direct switch which bypasses the dsp and bass management of the receiver importante when connecting dvd-audio and SACD.
Title: Re: Which is better Denon, Onkyo or Yamaha Receive
Post by: allenars on Oct 18, 2001 at 07:33 AM
robert salamat. my budget is around 40T do you have any information about the denon and onkyo comparison. sa bagong yamaha RX-V1200 or 2200 meron ng prologic II and DTS-ES pati matrix, etc with A/B speakers selector also with zone 2 for multiroom, eh yun denon 3802 and onkyo 787 do they better capabilities?
Title: Re: Which is better Denon, Onkyo or Yamaha Receive
Post by: KEN on Oct 19, 2001 at 04:22 AM
Hello Allenars, Saan ka sa Saudi, sa Jeddah kasi ako at nag
paplano rin akong mag upgrade pero baka next year pa either
Feb or March. Denon at Yamaha rin nga ang pinag-iisipan ko
particularly yung Denon 2802 and Yamaha RX-V1200 depende din kasi sa presyo,availability at siyempre sa budget. Dito sa Jeddah ay wala akong makita na showroom nila at yung Yamaha naman ay wala paring RX-V1200. Muntik na nga akong maka kuha ng RX-V800 dahil may sale ang Yamaha dealer (RX-V800 frm 3.1k -> 2.4K SR)kaso nga nakita ko sa Yamaha's website yung RX-V2200/1200 nila. Kaya hold nalang muna ako,
Yung Onkyo naman ay Ok din kaso yung speakers ko parang naghahanap ng compatability. Saan mo nakita yung Denon at how much ? Sa mga nasa Pinas, mag kano ba dyan sa atin ang presyohan ng Denon xx02 series ?  

TIA


TIA
 


Title: Re: Which is better Denon, Onkyo or Yamaha Receive
Post by: pinoyocw on Oct 19, 2001 at 04:41 AM
Tia/Ken - Uy tiga Saudi din.  Madami palang mga tiga-Saudi dito.  Sent you a PM bro.
Title: Re: Which is better Denon, Onkyo or Yamaha Receive
Post by: robertj on Oct 19, 2001 at 04:58 AM
i checked on the new yamaha offerings the 1200 and the 2200. yung sa yamaha single back surround lang ang gamit nya unlike dun sa denon 2 ang back surround(part of thx requirements ata and yamaha is not into thx eversince). kung malaki ang space mo sa likod marami kang pambili ng back surround speaker at halos pareho lang ang presyo ng denon at yamaha na pinagpipilian mo then i would say go with the denon.
Title: Re: Which is better Denon, Onkyo or Yamaha Receive
Post by: allenars on Oct 19, 2001 at 06:02 AM
thanks robert for the info. now bumukas na sa akin isip ang denon kaya lang wala talaga akong mahanap na magandang audio room dito so baka pag-uwi ko na lang and i'll try to go to electronic depot or other places na nakikita sa usapan dito sa website.

to tia ken, try mo na lang to wait hangang makauwi ka kasi yun sale ng yamaha is equivalent ng Php32T++ , kung sa pinas ka bibili pareho din ang presyo and even na lower nga kasi sabi nila nag sale sa shangrila na umabot lang ng Php25T ang RX-V800 and also malaysia lang ang yamaha dito, minsan may japan pero wala tatak sa likod if you try to see.
Title: Re: Which is better Denon, Onkyo or Yamaha Receive
Post by: Compaq on Oct 19, 2001 at 08:27 AM
Allenars

I'm also planning to get Denon 2802 or 3802 (factor is price difference).

Haven't checked these new Yammies (1200 & 2200) but here's what i can say about the Denons (with PLII) - particularly 2802.

- 6.1 channel (with surround - back). Extendable to 7.1 with 2 pre-out terminals for two surround-back but you need an additional amp.  AVR3802 has 7.1 channels no need for add'l amp for the 2 surround-back.

- multi-channel stereo free of delay effects and unnatural artifacts (5-ch/6-ch)

- multi source function is also available

- 6-ch input for DVD-Audio or SACD.

Just want to share this - i checked a Denon's lower model with PLII - 1602 and it's multi-channel capability is simply amazing and remarkable.

I actually own a Yamaha 795a and my reason for choosing (but still undecided) Denon for upgrade is Yamaha still has to offer PLII & now they already have... hmmm....hmmm... and hmmmm..... Peso Sign.... Peso Sign  and more Peso Sign...  ;D

Cheers!!!
Compaq
Title: Re: Which is better Denon, Onkyo or Yamaha Receive
Post by: KEN on Oct 22, 2001 at 05:45 AM
thanks robertj very informative ang observation mo.

allenars ok din yung sudgestion mo, kaso parang mabigat magbitaw ng cash sa Pinas even though mas mura yung sale price nila sa Shangrila at wala pang airway bill na babayaran, anyhow pag bakasyon I will try 2 convince si commander for the upgrade para kahit dyan na lang sa Pinas
maka score.
Title: Re: Which is better Denon, Onkyo or Yamaha Receive
Post by: allenars on Oct 22, 2001 at 09:29 AM
Ken,

sa tingin ko mas makakapili ka pag nasa pinas na kasi yun electronic depot nag email back sa akin and suggesting na denon 2801 or 3802 with either Accoustic Research or Mirage Speaker Systems are recommendation nya kaya pag-uwi i'll go to that place sa may libis sila infront of ford.

kaya sarado na isip ko dito sa saudi with regards sa pagbili ng av receiver even though sale at pagdoon ka bumili sigurado warranty mo ok dahil nasa pinas yun binili mo at baka may discount pa.

Title: Re: Which is better Denon, Onkyo or Yamaha Receive
Post by: Eric_Samonte (Guest) on Oct 22, 2001 at 07:28 PM
 Denon 3802..meron na ako. I like the 7 channels I use right now with the 2 surround backs. Basically, I was looking into anything with DPLII but was swayed in Denon kasi may DTS-ES Discreet which I long to hear in Gladiator. And it also has options for A or B surrounds. I guess puedeng 9 spkrs ang ikabit mo...don't know kung possible kasi 7 channel amp lang daw ito.
 Ang ayaw ko lang dito, iisa ang coax in. Eh tsane ako..ayokong bumili ng toslink. 'Buti na lang may "napulot" akong optical cable dito. At tsaka, medyo "involved" ang set-up. Langya..mura ako ng mura nung ayaw lumabas yun DD ot DTS sound thru coax ko. Yung pala kailangan pang i-set-up sa on-screen menu ng receiver, assigning the digital input to which ever u want. Mahirap..kasi hindi ako usually nagbabasa ng manual eh! ;D
Title: Re: Which is better Denon, Onkyo or Yamaha Receive
Post by: deputy2000 on Oct 22, 2001 at 10:53 PM
The Yamaha's did not adopt THX because they have their own trademark and that is the DSP.

any of the three brands will do and it depends in What Speaker brand will you buy or presently owned.

i don't know if you believe in me but amp and speakers have their own compatibilities. if ever you must go to av store with different brands of amps and speakers so that you will hear for yourself which is which not just a simple recommendation but our experienced co-members suggestions are your tools or guide only but as i read on the other thread that "YOU MUST TRUST YOUR EARS" is the best principle, i can't remember that handle but he simply delivers what is essential already for you.

happy searching.

deputy officer
Title: Re: Which is better Denon, Onkyo or Yamaha Receive
Post by: allenars on Oct 23, 2001 at 12:49 AM
Eric and deputy thanks for your inputs!

Eric, denon avr 3802 is a new model isnt it? when did you bought it and where and how much? whats your speakers systems?

Deputy your right ears makes the difference, thats why when i come home i'll try to go to electronic depot and toher showroom that caters this different av receivers and then listen to music and movies and compare the difference.

now its between denon and yamaha on my list but onkyo is still there. maganda din sana if all these 3 have a silver or gold edition para magarang tignan.
Title: Re: Which is better Denon, Onkyo or Yamaha Receive
Post by: vacuumtubes on Oct 23, 2001 at 01:04 AM
allenars,

all suggestions are great!
as an additional lang naman ay as much as possible ay magdala ka ng favorite mong disc cd or dvd para kabisado mo yung tunog kung sakaling pagnag-test ay you can hear the difference kung ang improvement ba ay napansin mo agad or halos pareho din ng present set-up mo.
basta may bibilhin ka ay lagi kang magdadala ng favorite disc mo for testing.

vax
Title: Re: Which is better Denon, Onkyo or Yamaha Receive
Post by: allenars on Oct 23, 2001 at 05:03 AM
Thanks for that idea vacuumtubes. i'm actually doing that so that i can hearthe difference. does anybody here in the web owns a yamaha RX-V1000 or RX-V3000 or RX-V1 kasi these are the top of the line ng yamaha plus the new models RX-V1200 and RX-V220, please share naman ang performance ng av receiver nyo, so that we can have an openmind kasi parang yamado ang denon ha.

yamaha is great for home theater because of it DSP, but others says the audio like for the cd and stereo na not that better compare to denon or onkyo, agree ba kayo?
Title: Re: Which is better Denon, Onkyo or Yamaha Receive
Post by: apogee on Oct 23, 2001 at 07:16 AM
The three brands mentioned produce receivers of similar quality.  You really can't go wrong with any of the three - focus instead on the features you want and the ease of use of the unit rather than the differences in "how they sound."  So long as these units are driven within their normal operating range (not to the point of clipping), one would be hard pressed to find consistent differences between units.  Besides, the human ear has short term memory retention so it is more difficult to compare units heard on different days let alone in different rooms with different speakers.  
Title: Re: Which is better Denon, Onkyo or Yamaha Receive
Post by: Eric_Samonte (Guest) on Oct 23, 2001 at 07:27 AM
 Allenars..got mine over here for $820 shipped. U can actually get it for less like $700 or so pero I'd like to get it from an authorized dealer kasi para safe lang. As for speakers I have the 3802 powering Atlantic Technology 350 THX, 2 fronts, 1 center, 2 side surrounds, 2 surround backs and 2 subs. OK na OK kasi I get to use all spkr terminals on the darn thing. Suwerte ko talaga sa spkr..pre-owned kasi kaya paluge ang benta. Walang magawa sa pera yung dating may-ari, palit lang ng palit. ;D
Title: Re: Which is better Denon, Onkyo or Yamaha Receive
Post by: Compaq on Oct 23, 2001 at 07:33 AM
Eric wrote
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Allenars..got mine over here for $820 shipped.


Good for you bro, here $865, 2802 pa lang 'yun.... :(

Title: Re: Which is better Denon, Onkyo or Yamaha Receive
Post by: allenars on Oct 23, 2001 at 09:14 AM
eric, how about the DSP does denon support THX o may sarili syang DSP like yamaha? how many DSP ba meron ang denon because sa internet di ko makita kung ilan di nila na specify not like yamaha meron silang mga line-up either for audio or cinema DSP. the more DSP the better para ma blend natin ang mga set-up na gusto natin when it comes songs like jazz, rock, mellow or church or other things. electronics depot sends me the price and its 55K for the denon 3802.
Title: Re: Which is better Denon, Onkyo or Yamaha Receive
Post by: Eric_Samonte (Guest) on Oct 23, 2001 at 04:30 PM
 It has the usual DSPs but I rarely if ever switch them over. It has Widescreen, Rock Arena, Jazz club, video game and Matrix. I usually listen to plain DD, DTS or DPLII. Most of time now, I switch it over to 6.1 for 5.1 material and man does it rock!
 It is not THX certified but sure has the 7 channels recommended by THX. It does DD ES 6.1 matrix well but cannot advertise Surround EX because it is not THX certified. I guess Denon doesn't want to pay Lucas for the logo upfront.
 I used to own a Yamaha RXV995. It had a ton of DSPs but I just stick to the plain stuff as well. Now Deputy said Yamaha it does not adopt THX because it has DSPs. I think the statement is not correct. THX is not a format, it is a bunch of requisites to try and reproduce the movie soundtrack in a home theater. It is not like Dolby Digital or DTS. Someone like Robertj could further indulge in this topic as I only say what I read.
 
Title: Re: Which is better Denon, Onkyo or Yamaha Receive
Post by: Mo®pHeOu$ on Oct 23, 2001 at 05:57 PM
;D  MAN!!!  i have to catch up on my reading on these kind of matters....DTS-ES, prologic II..etc....dami ko pang di alam...buti na lang at may ganitong message board!!

Eric,

maybe you can send me documents that could help me out with this these or maybe recommend a site that does!!

Thanks!!  Belated!!! ;D ;D  Kelan ka pakain?? ;D
Title: Re: Which is better Denon, Onkyo or Yamaha Receive
Post by: manila on Oct 25, 2001 at 06:21 AM
allenars: I have backed to backed a Denon and a Yamaha before! It is true imho what you say. Sa HT, almost pareho lang sila, I find the Yamahas throw out the effects a tad better and the Denon mas full and dialogues. In terms of bass fairly even. But I truly find that the Denon is a definite winner in terms of music. Again, mas puno and pino yung vocals. The yamaha is a tad thinner sounding and matalas ang tunog especially when matched with metal tweeter speakers! Choose Denon over Yamaha pag gagamitin mo for both HT and music. Let your ears decide and the features if it will be mainly used for HT! Cheers!
Title: Re: Which is better Denon, Onkyo or Yamaha Receive
Post by: allenars on Oct 25, 2001 at 08:20 AM
Thanks for the added info Manila. by the way, what brand you have right now?denon o yamaha? and what model? kasi most of the guys here refer to yamaha and denon but i' m not quite sure if the model they're refering is the same, i mean if you have denon avr 3802 the yamaha comparison should be at its level like yamaha RX-V1000 or RX-V3000c or even the new models with denon which is yamaha RX-v2200 while with onkyo it should be the onkyo 787 or 777 ot 797?

please let me know the comparison? thanks guys!

have a nice day!
Title: Re: Which is better Denon, Onkyo or Yamaha Receive
Post by: dvdfan on Oct 28, 2001 at 09:07 AM
Buy the latest What Hifi magazine where the AV reviews are as follows:

Denon 5 Stars
Onkyo 4 stars
Yamaha 3stars

Title: Re: Which is better Denon, Onkyo or Yamaha Receive
Post by: rtsy on Dec 09, 2001 at 09:21 AM
I haven't seriously auditioned receivers of late but some general observations on sound characteristics of Denon vs. Yamaha vs. Onkyo.

On HT, hayop yung processing ng Yamaha.  My bet is the DACs used by Yamaha are a cut above the rest.  I'm not saying that Denon and Onkyo sucks but the surround processing on the Yammie is sweet.

On stereo, Onkyo and Denon edge the Yamaha a tad (soundstage breadth and depth).  Bedyo flat mag-image ang Yamaha which is susprising since they have good DACs.  My guess is it's the amp section that's causing this.

Ang amp section ng Yamaha at Denon medyo lean at cool tumunog.  Be careful when matching with speakers with metal-dome tweeters (as many budget speakers are).  Baka maging masyadong bright.  Mission, B&W, Tannoy comes to mind as good batches for brighter sounding receivers.

Personally, among the 3 you are considering, I'd spring for an Onkyo (on sound character alone. note, I deliberately choose not to use the term "on sound QUALITY" as I expect that I'd rank these receivers differently depending upon the system it'll be used in).  Onkyo is warm sounding which makes it a good match for a wider range of speakers (PSB, Acoustic Energy come to mind).  Note though, I am a NAD receiver and a Nakamichi stereo amp user so I am biased to warmer, richer, fuller sounding gear.

Good luck and have fun choosing.  Tell us what you decide.
Title: Re: Which is better Denon, Onkyo or Yamaha Receive
Post by: iceman on Dec 10, 2001 at 12:48 AM
Hi rtsy,

I am currently using a Yamaha ddp2 for dolby digital processing and an onkyo 545 as amp. I would like to upgrade to dts and dpl2. Is there a similar processor from yamaha that has dts and dpl2? I like the yamaha's dsp processing kaya processor lang hanap ko. Like you I also noticed na hindi maganda yung amp section ng yamaha.
Title: Re: Which is better Denon, Onkyo or Yamaha Receive
Post by: LYON on Dec 13, 2001 at 08:36 AM
i think it's denon, but it all depends on the model, but to tell you, mine is a yamaha. ;)
Title: Re: Which is better Denon, Onkyo or Yamaha Receive
Post by: LYON on Dec 13, 2001 at 08:38 AM
yamaha! i think... ;)
Title: Re: Which is better Denon, Onkyo or Yamaha Receive
Post by: Geoffrey on Dec 13, 2001 at 07:06 PM
Me, I prefer ONKYO but if I have more money I like to get the high-end of Denon.

Just for info, 5 out of 6 of my officemates na may AV Receiver are all Onkyo users except for only 1 Yamaha ::) .

Although I auditioned the Yamaha, hindi ako na impress sa dami ng DSP nya, for me its like faking the real sound of the source(DVD, AudioCD & etc.). Parang mga presets lang sya ng madaming equalizers yung DSP.

Well that is just my own opinion ;D
Title: Re: Which is better Denon, Onkyo or Yamaha Receive
Post by: rtsy on Dec 14, 2001 at 12:23 AM
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Hi rtsy,

I am currently using a Yamaha ddp2 for dolby digital processing and an onkyo 545 as amp. I would like to upgrade to dts and dpl2. Is there a similar processor from yamaha that has dts and dpl2? I like the yamaha's dsp processing kaya processor lang hanap ko. Like you I also noticed na hindi maganda yung amp section ng yamaha.



iceman,

Yamaha DSP-E492 is what you are looking for.  Meron yung 3 amp channels coz it's usually used to add HT to an existing stereo amp set-up.

Just check if that model has been updated or(hopefully not) discontinued.
Title: Re: Which is better Denon, Onkyo or Yamaha Receive
Post by: rtsy on Dec 14, 2001 at 12:33 AM
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Although I auditioned the Yamaha, hindi ako na impress sa dami ng DSP nya, for me its like faking the real sound of the source(DVD, AudioCD & etc.). Parang mga presets lang sya ng madaming equalizers yung DSP.


Yan ang downside kung madaming pwedeng kalikutin sa settings (e.g., equalizers), madaming pwedeng gawing mali!  :)  

But I agree with you, I also find that Yamahas tend to have that "processed," unnatural sound which ironically is the opposite of Yammie's tagline:  "Natural Sound."  I guess it's really a matter of taste.  O baka matagal na akong di naglilinis ng tenga when I heard the Yamaha.  :)

Kaya ako, even after 6 years, I'm still very happy with my Nakamichi IA-3 integrated stereo amp (which as withtood numerous speaker upgrades from an entry level Tannoy sixes--yung hexagonal yung cabinet--to now the Concertino).  All it has is a Power Switch, an input selector, and a volume knob.  Works wonders!
Title: Re: Which is better Denon, Onkyo or Yamaha Receive
Post by: Onkyo on Jan 09, 2002 at 01:24 AM
I own an Onkyo 787 for 1 year na...m using B&W speakers S2
all around, di ko lang nagamit yung center surround back channel(6.1 kasi 787) dahil sa room limitations ko na din.I dont really know the viability ng speaker compatibility,for me its more of the application na pinag-gagamitan mo ng audio setup mo.Like me,siempre nandito ko sa saudi, minsan e kelangan videoke ang gamit ng Amps ko,kaya switch ako sa JBL PS speakers ko sa front para mas maganda vocals in stereo + yung Yamaha sw320 subs to add more bass.Pag HT naman ang gamit ko, balik ulit ang B&W ko.
Title: Re: Which is better Denon, Onkyo or Yamaha Receive
Post by: levi on Jan 09, 2002 at 05:15 AM
Hello Onkyo Welcome to PinoyDVD
Title: Onkyo or Denon?
Post by: AngryBird on Jul 17, 2001 at 12:38 AM
Previously I had my eye on the Yamaha 596 receiver, but when I had the chance to listen to the Onkyo TS-575X, I'm scrapping my Yamaha idea and I think I'd rather go for the Onkyo (It performed better than the Yamaha on audio CDs).

However, at the back of my mind I hear a voice telling me to think the Denon 1801 through too  :)

But the Denon is more expensive - about 4k to 5k more.  My ears couldn't tell much difference in the sound performance; the Denon's remote, to me, looks more difficult to use than the Onkyo's.  Plus all speaker channels on the Onkyo are the banana-plug-type-thingies  :P

I'm working on a pretty tight budget and am interested on your thoughts about this.  In other words, I'm in desperate need of expert opinion  ;D
Title: Re: Onkyo or Denon?
Post by: robertj on Jul 17, 2001 at 04:18 AM
Go for the onkyo tutal you can't hear the difference when auditioning both receiver mas mura pa ng 5K. Most entry level receivers sounds the same just my opinion.
Title: Re: Onkyo or Denon?
Post by: AngryBird on Jul 17, 2001 at 05:41 AM
Yes, that does seem to be the case.  I'm just worried that maybe I might have missed a certain critical feature that is absent in the Onkyo but is present in the Denon...?
Title: Re: Onkyo or Denon?
Post by: dvdfan on Jul 17, 2001 at 06:46 PM


How much is the Onkyo and How much is the Denon?

I would wait for the Denon 1602 with Dolby Pro Logic II, 110w / CH., Cinema EQ, etc.

It also has a nice Digital Output so you can connect a CD recorder or an MD recorder for high quality digital recordings.

Very Neat!
Title: Re: Onkyo or Denon?
Post by: Rak-Rak on Jul 27, 2001 at 12:40 PM
I used to own an Onkyo TX-828 with a ED-901 Dolby Digital Decoder. Maganda cya sa Home Theater sound pero di maganda ang Stereo music performance niya. Im not saying na ganundin ang mga bagong model ng Onkyo. when I sold my old onkyo, I bought the Denon 3300, since pare pareho yung ibang brand (Onkyo,Harman Kardon, Pioneer at Yamaha) ng Home Theater sound, nagka talo lang sila sa Stereo performance. mahilig din kasi ako sa CD Recordings.  You can see a review of the Denon at Onkyo sa www,audioreview.com  
Title: Re: Onkyo or Denon?
Post by: rtsy on Jul 27, 2001 at 07:22 PM
The Onkyo TX-DS595 is basically the 575x with more power and DPL II.  Check out this comparison:  http://www.onkyousa.com/model_compare_show.cfm?class=receivers&m=TX-DS595&compmodel=TX-DS575x

When I bought my receiver last year, I listend to practically all the mainstream brands available in Manila for below PhP100k.

The one I liked best was the EAD Theater Master and it's matching Powermaster amp.  But my budget HATED that combination.  :)

My favorite for HT is Yamaha.  Even just the 595a had tremendous effects steering and good enough power.  I later learned that inside the 595a's processing circuits is the revered DSP-A1.  But I didn't go with any of the YAmies due to stereo performance:  soundstage was flat, presentation was rather brittle.

To my ears, the Denons (2800, 3300, AVC-A1) and the Onkyos (575x through 777) had comparable HT and Stereo performance with the only differences being on sound character:  the Onkyo was warmer and the Denon was more detailed.  I also found the Denon's soundstage to be more obvious (note, I'm not necessarily saying the Denon soundstage presentation is better).  My personal preference between the two is Onkyo since its warmer presentation tend to benefit entry-level speakers typically used with models like the 575x.  My brother-in-law matched it with B&W DM302/CC3 and the system is glorious!  We auditioned the Onkyos with PSB Alpha and Acoustic Energy and the results were great, too.

I guess between the Denon and Onkyo, the choice would depend on your choice of speakers.

I also liked the Rotel RSX-975 (I'm not usre of the model anymore) but held back due to reliability issues raised on some magazines and on-line forums.

My money went to the NAD T760.  Soundstage had less width than Denon but had more accurate placement.  The NAD has the Onkyo's warmth (even more) and better real world power.  The tuner section on the NAD is a decent bonus.  Some people hate the minimalist features (only surround modes are DD, DTS, stereo, and proprietary EARS) but that's exactly what I like!  :)
Title: Re: Onkyo or Denon?
Post by: AngryBird on Jul 28, 2001 at 12:25 AM
I've already come to the decision of getting the 575x... My problem now is the speakers.

It's true that if you're going for HT, you'd better have some money.  My budget for speakers is 25,000.  That's for all five of them.  I've heard the B&Ws - they sound magnificent to my ears but not to my pocket  :-/  It seems that for the models I like, my budget is just enough for the surounds and center.  What I'm hoping for is a set of 5 just to get the ball rolling...

I've looked around and have very few alternatives... Wharfedale, Yamaha, JBL, Denon... Could you guys give me any recommendations?  I'm looking to narrow down my choices  ???
Title: Re: Onkyo or Denon?
Post by: rtsy on Jul 28, 2001 at 10:38 PM
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My budget for speakers is 25,000.
That's for all five of them.

I have 8 letters for you, Angrybird, PSB ALPHA.  Head on over to Upscale Audio to hear this.  Look for Au, Nani or Den at Park Square and tell them Russell referred you.

The Alpha A/V I got for my brother-in-law and officemate's dad went for something like 8k.  So get 2 pairs of that and the Alpha Center and you've got a great match to your 575x.

You may also want to give Yupangco a call.  They distribute Tannoy here.  An officemate bought the M1 and is very happy with it.  Thing is, I've seen little of these little rockers in the malls.

You may have some luck with entry-level Paradigms over at Audio Den.

I'm not sure if DCM has been bringing in Mission's 700-series.
Title: Re: Onkyo or Denon?
Post by: AngryBird on Jul 29, 2001 at 07:57 AM
Ok... Thanks for the advice!
Title: Re: Onkyo or Denon?
Post by: dvdfan on Jul 29, 2001 at 08:07 AM
Since you are out to buy a receiver, why dont you buy the Denon 1602 with DPL-II. 110w / ch. and with a digital output for digital recordings.

The Onkyo I believe do not have the DPL-II, has 85w of power and do not have digital output. You might regret buying a receiver without DPL-II and you might end up buying another one which makes your investment more expensive.

FYI, DPL-II can simulate 5.1 separations from any stereo recordings like CD, VHS, etc... I am hearing a lot of good stuff with this format.

your 25k budget may be a tough price to match. Speakers I see in this range are the following:
JBL NSC series 17K
JBL 21K (Forgot the model)
Denon 16K (2 Towers for Front, Small speakers for Rear/Center)
Yamaha's
Energy Take 5 27K
Mirage AVS-5pc. 27K

The rest maybe you can check RTSY's advice.

Hope this helps...
Title: Re: Onkyo or Denon?
Post by: rtsy on Jul 30, 2001 at 09:22 PM
DVDFan, is the Denon you mentioned available here?  Widescreen Review had good words for Fosgate's DPL-II.  It'd be interesting to listen to that.

For stereo, straight without any processing is how I've always preferred my music.  I tried playing around with the "Hall," "Jazz," etc. settings but I've always gone back to plain stereo.  Among all the procesing for 2-channel I've heard, the one I stayed on for thel ongest time is NAD's proprietary EARS.  I'm back to plain stereo now though.

Just a commend on the Take5.  Those are amazing little speakers for the money but only for HT.  Music suffers traditional shortcomings of sub-sat systems--hole in the lower midband.
Title: Re: Onkyo or Denon?
Post by: butch on Jul 31, 2001 at 01:29 AM


angrybird, onkyo, denon & yamaha are all good brands.  it really boils down to budget & taste.  since you're working on a certain budget, you may want to list down the minimum specs of the AVR acceptable to you & go for it.  it is best that you audition the AVR with the speakers you're thinking of buying.  or you can use all your budget to buy good main speakers first & then buy your subs, center & surrounds later. or you can even buy a really good AVR now & worry about the speakers later. just my 2 cents worth, it's better to buy something good & build from there rather have it all right away & be sorry later.
Title: Re: Onkyo or Denon?
Post by: dvdfan on Jul 31, 2001 at 05:41 AM
I agree with BUTCH. buy something that you will be happy with and you think that you can keep for the next 5 years. If you buy something now because of its price and you are not too happy with the performance. You will one day get rid of it and buy something you'll love. My preference is that Denon has much greater reviews and if you can spend more on the AVR you'll never regret it in the end.

My suggestion is to audition the Dolby 1602 which is expected to be in the local shops by the 2nd week of august.
DPL-II is something to watch out.

RTSY, I agree with the hole on the SUB / SAT system. but let us say that it is not just for the TAKE 5. All small speakers will have this kind of problem because the low frequency of the satellite system can not crossover coherently with the Sub woofer. This is the problem but for some people, due to budget constraints, this is okay.

I have seen and heard Mirage OM series and they are something worth listening to.

Title: Re: Onkyo or Denon?
Post by: Rak-Rak on Jul 31, 2001 at 12:13 PM
I also agree with butch.  ganoon ang ginawa ko noong nagsisimula palang ako sa HT noong 96. ang naging sequence ng pagbiliko:
1. Onkyo AVR and Main Speaker na medyo kayang sumisid hangang 40Hz range, Polk RT7 (Mainam ang Stereo Performance niya)
2. Surround
3. Center
4. Sub, medyo mabigat!
inabot ako ng halos 1 year bago ko nakompleto lahat.
Now 5 years later buhay pa lahat ng speakers pera lang sa AVR, DENON na ako ngayon.
Yung Main speaker ko ang talagang neresearch kong maigi at katakot takot na mgazine ang biniliko para sa reviews wala pa kasi akong internet noong mga panahong iyon.  Para akong sirang plaka na adition ng adition ng mga speakers bago ko naka decide sa Polk.
nung wala pa akong sub, Yung main speakers ko ang nagproproduce ng low freq habang wala pa akong sub.
Take note, noong binuo ko itong system ko kalalabas pa lang ng Dolby Digital kaya kinosidera ko ito sa pagpili ng Speaker.
Kung mag decide ka na mag Main Speaker muna at mag audition ng iba-ibang brand, pumili ka ng mga test disc para iisa ang source mo para makita mo ang difference at Character ng iba't ibang brand.
Magandang pang test ay yung kay Rebecca Pidgeon na "Raven" Spanish Eyes na cut.
Shiana Twaine "Your Still the One"
Wag ka nga lang mainip, masarap ding unti-unitng na bubuo itong mga speakers.
Uulitin kolang ang sabi ni Butch "it's better to buy something good & build from there rather have it all right away & be sorry later".
Title: Re: Onkyo or Denon?
Post by: AngryBird on Jul 31, 2001 at 08:32 PM
Hmm... Napaisip ako sa mga sagot niyo a.

You're right, Rak-rak.  Nakaka-tempt ngang magmadali.  Ang tagal ko na rin kasing gustong magkaroon ng sarili sa bahay kaya excited na akong bumuo.

I think I will be waiting for the Denon 1602, just as dvdfan suggested.  Baka panalo pala yun e palalampasin ko pa.  Considering my budget and my options, I think I'll go for a decent A/V receiver and then get a pair of kick-ass floor-standing main speakers first.  Ihahabol ko na lang yung surrounds at centers.  Time to go back to the stores and test some more  :P
Title: Re: Onkyo or Denon?
Post by: rtsy on Aug 01, 2001 at 08:28 PM
--> Considering my budget and my options,
--> I think I'll go for a decent A/V receiver
--> and then get a pair of kick-ass floor-standing

Good choice on going with entry-level electronics and focusing on speakers.  Electronics change quite fast (dati DPL lang, then DD, then DTS, then DD-EX/DTS-ES, later on may SACD at DVD-A pa.  If you must spend on electronics, do it on the amp section.  The pre/pro section is like buying a PC--kick-ass today, pang-kalso ng kotse a year or two from now.  :)

Just a note oin speakers, floorstanders are not necessarily better than standmounts.  Listen to the bass of a pair of Dynaudio Audience 42/52 and a pair of Mission 773's to see my point.  Despite the 42/52 being standmounts, the bass has far more meat than the 773.  I'm not saying the 773 is bad, just different.  What will sound better to you will depend on your ears, your equipment, and your room.

I personally prefer using good-range standmounts (easier to position) and a deep, tight sub (playing no higher than 50Hz).  But that's just me.  If anyone would send me a B&W DM603S2 or a Mission 773 or a Tannoy R3, I wouldn't mind.  I'll just much prefer a Sonus Faber Grand Piano.  :)
Title: Re: Onkyo or Denon?
Post by: vacuumtubes on Aug 02, 2001 at 07:36 PM
:Dhi angrybird,
i'm not against doon sa mga nababasa natin minsan na this brand is highly rated and mga 5-stars pa yan. the most important thing is that "USE YOUR EARS" is the best principle kasi minsan sa mga showroom ang idedemo sa iyo ay depende din sa compatibility ng mga speakers na nakainstall baka pagnagsettle ka sa ganitong brand of receiver ay hindi pala bagay sa setup na gusto mo sa ganito namang brand ng speakers at isa pa yung mga ginagamit na cables ay may bearing din kaya yung mga denon, onkyo, and yamaha ay may mga kanya-kanyang binabagayang speaker brands yan. yung mga nababasa naman nating mga ratings ay to give us only an idea/guide and new models too. kasi sa dami ng napupuntahan ko ding mga tindahan na nagsesetup ay maeexperience mo kung ano ang mga magandang combinations from player up to the speakers. and i'm very particular sa audio secondary na lang ang video. KASI THE SOUND WILL GIVE LIFE AND REALITY TO THE MOVIE! do you agree with me? kaya kung compatible ang mga setup mo ay definitely "YOU BRING LIFE TO MUSIC". 8)
Title: Re: Onkyo or Denon or Yamaha?
Post by: allenars on Oct 18, 2001 at 05:29 AM
Hi there!

medyo nakikita ko na its either denon o onkyo ang pinipili nyo pero how about the new models ng yamaha like RX-1200, RX-V2200 meron na ba sa pinas?

yun bang RX-V1000 or RX-V800 oks ba ?

Pa advise naman!
Title: Re: Onkyo or Denon?
Post by: blued on Jan 02, 2002 at 11:22 PM
       how much this Denon 1602? nabenta ko na yung receiver ko at hanngang ngayon wala pa akong pamalit, hirap kasing pabigla-bigla ng bili, baka magsisi bandang huli.
     
       una Onkyo 494 ang gusto ko, pero ngayon parang pumapalit na itong Denon 1602. Apartment ang bahay ko, player ko ay DVD,VHS,VCD and multitrack recorder (use as tape deck), that's why i need to have a PL2. Sa tingin nyo ok ba ang PL2, hindi ba nagle-less ang power and warm sound, baka mas maganda pa rin ang tunog ng stereo.

        Lumalamang sa akin ang Denon 1602 ngayon, kaso ano itong sinasabing issue sa remote?  
 
Happy New Year!
 BLUED
Title: Re: Onkyo or Denon?
Post by: MeowPao on Jan 03, 2002 at 12:01 AM
You can send a Private Message to The Electronics Depot Man...

http://www.pinoydvd.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.cgi?board=&action=viewprofile&username=electronics%2Ddepot

He gave me a nice quote on the model (Denon 1602) you are looking for. :)
Title: Re: Onkyo or Denon?
Post by: Alfie on Jan 03, 2002 at 12:02 AM

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       how much this Denon 1602? nabenta ko na yung receiver ko at hanngang ngayon wala pa akong pamalit, hirap kasing pabigla-bigla ng bili, baka magsisi bandang huli.
     
       una Onkyo 494 ang gusto ko, pero ngayon parang pumapalit na itong Denon 1602. Apartment ang bahay ko, player ko ay DVD,VHS,VCD and multitrack recorder (use as tape deck), that's why i need to have a PL2. Sa tingin nyo ok ba ang PL2, hindi ba nagle-less ang power and warm sound, baka mas maganda pa rin ang tunog ng stereo.

        Lumalamang sa akin ang Denon 1602 ngayon, kaso ano itong sinasabing issue sa remote?  
 
Happy New Year!
 BLUED



Blued Denon 1602 now goes for <_>Php 21,000 (cheapest it went was Php18,990.00), It is available at the Image  Video&Electronics in Harrison Plaza.
There's really no problem with the remote, just a matter of taste. If you find the price a bit high, check-out the Kenwood, it also has DPL2, and is a little bit cheaper, I believe there's a thread that discusses this amp.
Happy hunting. ;) ;D
Title: Re: Onkyo or Denon?
Post by: Sen.Almondski on Jan 03, 2002 at 02:53 AM
Somebody here have tested and experienced the performance
of Onkyo tx-ds595? What do you think of this unit compares to denon 1602 with regards to music audio and HT?

Title: Re: Onkyo or Denon?
Post by: blued on Jan 03, 2002 at 03:22 AM
Thanks Moewpow, already sent him a mail.

   thanks sa mga reply, so I will use my ears as a measuring tool para malaman talaga kung ano ang bagay sa set-up ko at ang gusto ko! hindi ko kailan masyado ng power kaya ok na ang Onkyo 494 or Denon 1602,kailangan ma-test ko na ang dalawang ito sa mga listening room. Unahin ko siguro kay Nannie sa Upscale mas malapit.

    sa mga may contact dyan, may mga darating pa bang bagong modelo dyan at pagbaba ng presyo sa mga a/v receiver?
Title: Blued
Post by: MeowPao on Jan 03, 2002 at 03:45 AM
Kelan ka mag-test ng setup?

Pwede ba akong sumama?  ;)

I am also looking for a Receiver. Am currently looking at the Denon 1802, Onkyo TXD595, and Onkyo TXD696. I wanted that Yamaha 1200, but the price is waay over, and I'll spend it na lang sa speakers (as was advised by the good people here at pinoydvd)... :D

I'm still new at this 'separates' thingy kasi...  ::)
Title: Re: Onkyo or Denon?
Post by: Sen.Almondski on Jan 03, 2002 at 05:09 AM

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 thanks sa mga reply, so I will use my ears as a measuring tool para malaman talaga kung ano ang bagay sa set-up ko at ang gusto ko! hindi ko kailan masyado ng power kaya ok na ang Onkyo 494 or Denon 1602,kailangan ma-test ko na ang dalawang ito sa mga listening room. Unahin ko siguro kay Nannie sa Upscale mas malapit.

    sa mga may contact dyan, may mga darating pa bang bagong modelo dyan at pagbaba ng presyo sa mga a/v receiver?


hi meowpao & blued

Pls share and advise the output of your testing and experience of your mentioned av receivers, it seems that we are all on hunting for upgrades. I have 3 final choices after long review from pinoydvd & audioreview ( appreciate them )  the onkyo 494, 595 and the denon 1602, thanks!

Title: Re: Onkyo or Denon?
Post by: MeowPao on Jan 03, 2002 at 07:30 AM
almondski and buled!

hahaha! Now there's three of us. We should have something like a 'Pinoy DVD buyers' EB'!  ;D


You know guys, why don't we buy these machines from say the
same dealer (even if it does not have to be the same brand/model)? I think we can get a BIGGER DISCOUNT if we do it this way! Parang volume order... What say you? :D



Actually, I'm on the lookout for a new HT system. I never had any, since I've been putting it off until get really sick of my 8 year old CD mini-compo.

I've been checking around, and guess what? Wala daw stock ang Onkyo 595, but may 696. My worry with the Denons are (or so I've read) is that it needs PAL for its onscreen menu, eh my tv is only NTSC.

So far, my choices, IN ORDER, are the Yamaha 1200, Onkyo 595, Onkyo 696, and Denon 1802.

ElectroDepot has a good deal with the Denons (and I hope they sweeten it further!) ;)
I've asked Listening Room in Mega about the Onkyos, and I haven't asked for a discount yet, but they do have that Yamaha! Yum yum! Ang mahal lang nga!
Title: Re: Onkyo or Denon?
Post by: gaol on Jan 03, 2002 at 10:20 AM

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My worry with the Denons are (or so I've read) is that it needs PAL for its onscreen menu, eh my tv is only NTSC.

So far, my choices, IN ORDER, are the Yamaha 1200, Onkyo 595, Onkyo 696, and Denon 1802.



Hmm, I don't think the Denon 1802 has an onscreen menu (OSD); but the menu appears on its built-in display. The Denon 2800 series and higher have OSDs but I believe (I may be wrong) they work with NTSC TVs.

As for Onkyos, DCM Audio has several receivers available.

GAOL

Title: Re: Onkyo or Denon?
Post by: electronics-depot on Jan 03, 2002 at 12:24 PM

We have tested Yamaha, Onkyo, and Denon side by side. Denon still sounds better. Some of our dealer friends have attested that Denon really sounds better. You can try other dealers like AVDI and Audio Den. Audio Den has been an Onkyo dealer but seem to prefer Denon since they tested it side by side.

Listening room will be biased because they are the one bringing in the Yamaha receivers.

You can also check the latest what hifi where Denon 1602 got 5 Stars for home theater and stereo music.

Another good specs to check is the weight of the AVR. Denon is one of the heaviest because it uses overbuilt components, transistors, etc. to achieve good sound.
Title: Re: Blued
Post by: comfoosed on Jan 04, 2002 at 05:06 PM

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 I wanted that Yamaha 1200, but the price is waay over


How much was the Yamaha 1200?  Did you also ask how much the Yamaha 2200 was?
Title: Re: Onkyo or Denon?
Post by: joms on Jan 04, 2002 at 05:15 PM
Denon AVR3300 - got one.. nice performance  8)
Title: Re: Onkyo or Denon?
Post by: blued on Jan 04, 2002 at 08:55 PM
moewpow,
    busy pa ako ngayon, di ko alam kung ako lang ang working student dito and the youngest, Im 24. enrollment kasi sa school. After two weeks siguro n ako titingin ulit ng mga set-up. Na test ko na Onkyo 494 sa Upscale park square ok naman, 55 watts pero malakas na din, but using front speaker alone parang weak yung bass using floor standing PSB speakers, kailangan mo talaga ng subwoofer dito. Denon 1602 di ko pa natest.

sa mga GURU:

Bakit mas mahal ang gold color kesa black AVR?
madali bang mag-fade ang gold o ang black?






Title: Re: Onkyo or Denon?
Post by: MeowPao on Jan 04, 2002 at 10:13 PM
blued,
Anong course mo?  :)

I tested (partially) the Denon 1802 Ok naman, but I'll have to bring CDs and DVDs familiar to me (as was advised by everyone here).

Ano ang comment ng taga Upscale about the Onkyo. It seems that people are recommending the Denon over Onkyo these days. Do you think it's a marketing thing? Eh alam ko sa internet review, parang mas walang problema ang Onkyo.  ???

I wanted to test the Onkyo 696. Do they have it installed sa Upscale Park Square?
Title: Re: Onkyo or Denon?
Post by: blued on Jan 04, 2002 at 11:22 PM
BSECE.

Nannie of UPSCALE said mas ok ang ONKYO in movies and music, my friend has ONKYO 575x sa upscale binili so far walang namang problema, speakers nya B&W L,C,R and Acoustic Energy sa surrounds. ONKYO 696 ang nakaset-up ngayon sa upscale. Here's upscale tel. no. 819-7284

Title: Re: Onkyo or Denon?
Post by: MeowPao on Jan 04, 2002 at 11:59 PM
Ok...thanks. In case you're interested, Audio Den (tel. 4307221 look for Manny) has a Denon 2802 setup, if you want to test it. They might have a 1602 (seems like it, but I didn't ask).
Title: Re: Onkyo or Denon?
Post by: Sen.Almondski on Jan 05, 2002 at 05:47 AM

Quote

almondski and buled!

hahaha! Now there's three of us. We should have something like a 'Pinoy DVD buyers' EB'!  ;D


You know guys, why don't we buy these machines from say the
same dealer (even if it does not have to be the same brand/model)? I think we can get a BIGGER DISCOUNT if we do it this way! Parang volume order... What say you? :D




Thnks meowpao , what a nice idea but i was living overseas so i have no luck joining you guys. Just want to know your thoughts. I think ill go for onkyo 565, they are all good AVR's so it's just depend on market strategy to make a certain product to be no.1.
Title: Re: Onkyo or Denon?
Post by: MeowPao on Jan 05, 2002 at 07:15 AM
Quote



Thnks meowpao , what a nice idea but i was living overseas so i have no luck joining you guys. Just want to know your thoughts. I think ill go for onkyo 565, they are all good AVR's so it's just depend on market strategy to make a certain product to be no.1.


Ahh... sayang.  :)

As of now, I'm scratching out the Yamaha 1200 from my list. Though the specs look really good, its still way too expensive. I think the Onkyo 595 seems lacking in some features (like its not ready for HDTV and Progressive Scan, if I remember reading it right) and for the price, its close to the Denon 1802, which got good recommendations from people here and has more features.

So now, I'm probably going to pick the Denon 1802 or the Onkyo 696. :)
Title: Re: Onkyo or Denon?
Post by: Pep on Jan 05, 2002 at 08:07 AM
Meowpao,

I was in the same predicament 3 weeks ago. Denon 1802 or Onkyo 696?  The Onkyo was a little more expensive by about 3k-ish.  

Here are the things that swayed me to buy the 696:
 1. Available in Black
 2. Pre-outs for all channels including surrounds.
 3. On-Screen-Display
 4. Better Remote

I was set to buy the 1802, then ebtgmike just had to mention the 696.  Now that I have it, I'm pleased with it.  Very neutral and clean sounding(i.e. no hiss.)

If you wanna hear it in a home setting, drop by my house.  You'll get an audio treat, though for video I'm currently using a pathetic 21" TV. :-[  Anybody selling a decent 32+ inch TV relatively cheap?  ;)

-Pep


Title: Re: Onkyo or Denon?
Post by: MeowPao on Jan 05, 2002 at 08:33 AM
Pep!

Where are you located ba? Ok ba talaga if I check out your system? BTW, what're your speakers? :D

Ahh... do you think your TV is pathetic? Wait'll you hear about MINE!  Eight-year old 14" (READ: FOURTEEN INCH) Panasonic MONO TV! Wahhooo!  :o Imagine having a high tech HT system and watching it in MINI form! hahahaha!

I've been putting off buying a bigger TV since I've been waiting for these Plasma and HDTVs to come out, and hopefully, become more affordable!  ;D

Same thing with videos... I have VHS, but I skipped LDs and VCDs (same reason as above!). And now that DVDs are affordable and 'formats' have just about stabilized (both hardware and discs)... ATTACK!!!!  :D
Title: Re: Onkyo or Denon?
Post by: nerveblocker on Jan 05, 2002 at 08:42 AM

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 Anybody selling a decent 32+ inch TV relatively cheap?  ;)

-Pep





Maybe a trip to Pier would help you find your need at a price that you want.

Examples:

Toshiba 29" flat screen- P13k
Sony Wega 25" flat screen- P12k
Sony Widescreen 34" with PIP- P15k

Good Luck!  8)
Title: Re: Onkyo or Denon?
Post by: MeowPao on Jan 05, 2002 at 09:33 AM
nirvblakr,

Where is the 'Pier'?
Title: Re: Onkyo or Denon?
Post by: comfoosed on Jan 05, 2002 at 07:06 PM

Quote


As of now, I'm scratching out the Yamaha 1200 from my list. Though the specs look really good, its still way too expensive.


Hi meowpao,

How much again was the Yamaha 1200?  Did you also ask about the 2200?  I've only seen these at the Listening shops, undoubtedly a more expensive source than the general appliance stores.

TY for any info.
Title: Re: Onkyo or Denon?
Post by: nerveblocker on Jan 06, 2002 at 04:21 AM

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nirvblakr,

Where is the 'Pier'?


Roxas Blvd...BIR side of rotonda (near Intamuros)...South Harbor---> TVs

Ayos ba ang instructions?  ;D

Title: Re: Onkyo or Denon?
Post by: MeowPao on Jan 06, 2002 at 08:18 AM
I can visualize the place... do they have a sign?
Title: Re: Onkyo or Denon?
Post by: MeowPao on Jan 06, 2002 at 08:21 AM
comfoosed,

The Yamaha 1200 is around P46500+. Its too new, and thus the price. But they said they were willing to give a disount (Listening stores). But still, too pricey for me.  :-[
Title: Re: Onkyo or Denon?
Post by: nerveblocker on Jan 06, 2002 at 04:01 PM
Quote

I can visualize the place... do they have a sign?


There is no sign there basta just enter the gate to South Harbor and as you drive along on both sides you would see the different TV sets na.  Park and browse around nalang.

Good Luck and Ingat ka don! 8)
Title: Re: Onkyo or Denon?
Post by: joms on Jan 06, 2002 at 08:24 PM
Yamaha - better in Video (effects)
Denon - better in Audio (warmer sounding)
Onkyo - Poor mans Denon

::)
Title: Re: Onkyo or Denon?
Post by: Sen.Almondski on Jan 07, 2002 at 02:16 AM

Quote


Onkyo - Poor mans Denon

::)


Im a poor man, sinasabi ko na nga ba at tama ang pagpili ko sa Onkyo, ang AVR ng masa! Onkyo, onkyo, onkyo, parin!
Title: Re: Onkyo or Denon?
Post by: joms on Jan 07, 2002 at 05:34 AM


almondski - err.. didnt mean it as an offensive comment k  :)

Onkyo 575 - IMO a very great amp for the price
Title: Re: Onkyo or Denon?
Post by: Sen.Almondski on Jan 07, 2002 at 08:58 AM
Quote



almondski - err.. didnt mean it as an offensive comment k  :)

Onkyo 575 - IMO a very great amp for the price


oks lang joms, i didnt mean it, back to topic.
Title: Re: Onkyo or Denon?
Post by: Pep on Jan 07, 2002 at 08:02 PM
MEOWPAO,
Quote

Pep!

Where are you located ba? Ok ba talaga if I check out your system? BTW, what're your speakers? :D

I live in Capitol Golfer's Villas.  That's in Diliman Quezon City, near Ayala Heights/Celebrity Sports/Channel 13. Yes, you are truly welcome.

I use Norh 4.0's (http://www.norh.com/products/norh4/index.html) for my LCR and surround speakers and an SVS 20-39PC (http://www.svsubwoofers.com) for my sub.  All connected to my Onkyo 696.

Did I hear you say "Norh What?"  There is another forum dedicated to these speakers here. (http://www.harmonicdiscord.com/forums/viewforum.php?forum=3&8053)  They're made in Thailand and are quite unique.

Quote

Ahh... do you think your TV is pathetic? Wait'll you hear about MINE!  Eight-year old 14" (READ: FOURTEEN INCH) Panasonic MONO TV! Wahhooo!  :o Imagine having a high tech HT system and watching it in MINI form! hahahaha!

I've been putting off buying a bigger TV since I've been waiting for these Plasma and HDTVs to come out, and hopefully, become more affordable!  ;D

Same thing with videos... I have VHS, but I skipped LDs and VCDs (same reason as above!). And now that DVDs are affordable and 'formats' have just about stabilized (both hardware and discs)... ATTACK!!!!  :D

My 21" TV is also a Panasonic Mono TV. :D And I don't even have VHS!  ;)  

NIRVBLAKR,
Thanks for the heads-up on the Pier TV's. That 34" Sony widescreen seems awfully tempting.

I'm a bit uneasy about getting there because my dad previously got 3 TV's and they didn't last more than 4 months. He has "officially warned" me, so baka I might get the dreaded "Sabi ko na sayo e!"

-Pep
Title: Re: Onkyo or Denon?
Post by: nerveblocker on Jan 07, 2002 at 09:09 PM
Pep- Maybe it just depends on where you buy your TV set and where.  I just recommended it coz I bought 3 29 incher Sonys (jap surplus of course) and its been 3 years now and no problems yet.  Maybe its just a matter of chance.  ;D
Title: onkyo tx-ds474 / yamaha rxv496
Post by: fer on Aug 12, 2001 at 06:05 AM
::) what can you say about this AVR ?

my friend is asking me about onkyo tx-ds474. wala kasi akong idea about this kasi i have yamaha rxv496. even my yamaha di ko pa alam, i just bought it 2 weeks ago. di ko pa rin na set up kasi busy ako sa work ko.

i hope i can hear some comment about this, thanks.
Title: Re: onkyo tx-ds474 / yamaha rxv496
Post by: dvdfan on Aug 12, 2001 at 12:05 PM
Both are okay but tell your friend to wait for Denon AVR-1602 with Dolby PRo Logic II. It will be better.
Title: Re: onkyo tx-ds474 / yamaha rxv496
Post by: fer on Aug 13, 2001 at 06:47 AM
dvdfan, how much is the Denon AVR-1602? are you using Denon? 8)
Title: Re: onkyo tx-ds474 / yamaha rxv496
Post by: AngryBird on Aug 15, 2001 at 01:04 AM
Stopped by ED last week. I'm also (eagerly) waiting to test the 1602. They said it'll be around 23,000.

If that doesn't sound good, the Onkyo 575x is selling for only 20k++ at that store in Park Square closest to the Glorietta entrance (I forgot the name...)
Title: Re: onkyo tx-ds474 / yamaha rxv496
Post by: alfred on Aug 15, 2001 at 05:52 AM
fer,
ikaw ba yan? ba't iba 'ata ang age mo? ;)for more info log on to http://www.audioreview.com
Title: Re: onkyo tx-ds474 / yamaha rxv496
Post by: fer on Aug 16, 2001 at 03:47 AM
:P alf,

that's my age talaga. anyway, i think noel will settle sa yamaha rx-v496. kita nya ang review mataas daw. pwede kaya yung speaker nya 250w jbl? baka masira avr nya.  ;D ;D
Title: Re: onkyo tx-ds474 / yamaha rxv496
Post by: alfred on Aug 16, 2001 at 03:56 AM
Quote

:P alf,

that's my age talaga. anyway, i think noel will settle sa yamaha rx-v496. kita nya ang review mataas daw. pwede kaya yung speaker nya 250w jbl? baka masira avr nya.  ;D ;D


Pre,

May problem din pag masyadong mataas ang wattage ng speakers. You are using 70w ampli connected to a 250w speakers. Sa taas ng dynamic headroom ng audio medium ngayon hindi malayong i-crank up mo yun volume dahil malinis yon sound then mag-clip ang ampli, which in turn could create harmonics (from the Ampli) na makakasama sa iyong tweeters :-/

Visit mo site below:

http://www.eatel.net/~amptech/elecdisc/2ltlpwr.htm
Title: Re: onkyo tx-ds474 / yamaha rxv496
Post by: fer on Aug 16, 2001 at 04:40 AM
;D ;D ;D salamat po sa inyong lahat !
Title: Re: onkyo tx-ds474 / yamaha rxv496
Post by: alfred on Aug 16, 2001 at 05:05 AM
Parang uuwi ka na. Di ba 2-10 ka ? :o
Title: onkyo ts-ds575x or denon avr-3801?
Post by: beefjerky on May 10, 2001 at 06:55 AM
planning to buy one soon and settled on these two....

any hifi nut or ppl who own these babies know te differences? strengths and weaknesses? which is better?
Title: Re: onkyo ts-ds575x or denon avr-3801?
Post by: dobler on May 10, 2001 at 09:13 AM
Hey beefjerky!

I own an Onkyo TX-DS575X w/c I ordered thru www.onecall.com for $430 (shipping fees included). Here are some of its features:

Dolby Digital, Dolby Pro-Logic & DTS 5.1 decoders
70 watts per channel (8 ohms)
Binding posts for all channels (banana plug)
2 optical & 2 coaxial digital inputs
3 audio inputs & 4 A/V inputs
4 S video inputs & 2 S video outputs
5.1 channel external inputs
8 DSP modes
Backlit learning remote with macro functions

Anyway, my system is composed of 2 JBL L100T floor standing speakers (fronts), JBL Movies 2 (center & surrounds) plus a JBL Digital 10 powered subwoofer.

I used to have a simple pro-logic setup using a Yamaha amp & processor with the same set of speakers. With the Onkyo, the JBL's sounded a lot better! I’m very satisfied with it. :)

Comparing the Onkyo with Denon's AVR-3801 is simply a no contest since it has more features:

105 watts per channel (8 ohms)
Dolby Digital 6.1 matrix decoding (not EX since it isn't THX certified)  
DTS ES-Discrete/Matrix 6.1 decoding
Component video input & output

Of course it's more expensive at roughly $1,200. So I guess it boils down to two things:

How much you're willing to spend and what kind of setup you want to have.

Enjoy!

P.S.

For more detailed reviews check out Sound & Vision's November 2000 (Onkyo) and May 2001 (Denon) issues plus the links below:

http://www.denon.com/catalog/pdfs/avr3801LIT.pdf

http://63.148.251.142/show_model.cfm?class=receivers&m=TX-DS575x
Title: Re: onkyo ts-ds575x or denon avr-3801?
Post by: dvdfan on May 10, 2001 at 09:51 AM
I agree with Dobler if you can afford go with the 3801.

First of all it is the most inexpensive DTS-ES 7.1 Channel AVR.

If you are going for the Onkyo TX-DS575X try AVR-1601.

I am not sure if the onkyo is DVD-Audio ready. Maybe Dobler can comment on this.

For more reviews... http://www.audioreview.com. BTW this site is owned by a filipino in the USA.
Title: Re: onkyo ts-ds575x or denon avr-3801?
Post by: dobler on May 10, 2001 at 08:31 PM
The Onkyo is DVD-Audio ready. If you're really going for Denon, you might want to look at the AVR-1801 or AVR-2801 (aside from the 1601).

Both of them have nearly the same features as Onkyo with the 2801 having more power at 90 watts per channel. The 1801 also has 70 watts per channel like the Onkyo but not all of its speaker terminals are banana plug compatible.

I suggest you visit Denon & Onkyo's website and do a side by side comparison.

P.S.

If you live in Manila, there's an Onkyo showroom along West Avenue, Q.C.
Title: Re: onkyo ts-ds575x or denon avr-3801?
Post by: beefjerky on May 10, 2001 at 09:31 PM
black 575x = P22,000
gold 575x = P23,000

i did some researching and i found out that onkyos arent that durable, maraming kinks. a friend told me that his earlier model 575 keeps on shutting off then turning on after a few months of use, something about speaker protection circuit or something...

im still looking for shops with denon units for testing. too bad virra mall is still closed after the fire. :-/
Title: Re: onkyo ts-ds575x or denon avr-3801?
Post by: dobler on May 10, 2001 at 11:30 PM
The problem your friend had may be limited to an earlier 575 model. Onkyo released the 575x with some modifications like speaker binding posts for all channels. I had mine since July and I haven't experienced glitches with it.
Title: Re: onkyo ts-ds575x or denon avr-3801?
Post by: dvdfan on May 12, 2001 at 09:50 AM

Just try to listen to the Denon and read its reviews.
Title: Re: onkyo ts-ds575x or denon avr-3801?
Post by: arcturs on May 13, 2001 at 05:41 AM
I would Go for Denon 3801

Remember that once you buy a receiver, there's no turning back, so just get the better one.
Title: Re: onkyo ts-ds575x or denon avr-3801?
Post by: electronics-depot on May 13, 2001 at 09:28 AM
YUP! 3801 7.1 CHannel Sound...
Title: Re: onkyo ts-ds575x or denon avr-3801?
Post by: levi on May 16, 2001 at 10:46 AM
Im also planning to upgrade my receiver but my budget is for the Onkyo 484 or Yamaha 496 model only. I tried checking out different stores but some would recommend onkyo while others would recommend yamaha. Please help me decide which one to choose and where can i  get a good bargain. If these models are not good , i will just have to save for a better model. Thanks
Title: Re: onkyo ts-ds575x or denon avr-3801?
Post by: dvdfan on May 16, 2001 at 11:33 AM

Your other option is Denon AVR-1601.

How much is the Yamaha 496 and Onkyo 484?
Title: Re: onkyo ts-ds575x or denon avr-3801?
Post by: levi on May 16, 2001 at 12:01 PM
Onkyo 484 is from 16 to 17,800 and i think the yamaha is almost the same. Where can i check out the denon 1601
Title: Re: onkyo ts-ds575x or denon avr-3801?
Post by: tubero on May 19, 2001 at 04:35 PM
FWIW give the Denon AVR 3300 a listen as well.

.. I love the 5-channel stereo.

- Dolby Pro-logic, Dolby Digital,  DTS
- 105W/channel stereo, 5 x 105 surround modes (20Hz - 20kHz into 8 ohms)
- 5 DSP surround modes (Rock Arena, Jazz Club, Video Game, Mono Movie, Matrix)
- bass and treble tone controls
- A/B surround speakers (Dual Surround Mode)
- FM/AM EON RDS tuner;
- 8 x analogue audio input pairs,
- 3 x analogue output pairs;
- 8 x pre-outputs;
- 7.1 external decoder inputs;
- 5 x composite video inputs, 3 x outputs;
- 5 x S-video inputs, 3 x outputs;
- 2 x component video input sets, 1 x component video output set;
- 4 x digital inputs - 3 x TOSlink optical,
- 1 x coaxial electrical S/P-DIF PCM;
Title: Re: onkyo ts-ds575x or denon avr-3801?
Post by: alfred on May 31, 2001 at 06:26 AM
Have you tried the Yamaha RXV800 ? If you haven't then I suggest you give it a try. It's now selling at P29,500 from a high of P33,500 when I bought it last Feb.2001. I have mind hook-up with Mirage AVS500 and a Yamaha YST SW 160 and it really rocks the house.
Title: Re: onkyo ts-ds575x or denon avr-3801?
Post by: rtsy on Jun 06, 2001 at 11:38 PM
The choice of Onkyo 575 vs. Denon 3801 would likely be influenced by what speakers you are going to use.  

I auditioned Onkyo 575 and Denon 3300 (not the 3801) and found that Onkyo is on the warm side and would likely mate well with brightish speakers (like most entry-level stuff).  The Denon is rather bright so you'd have to match accordingly.  Again, note that comment is for the 3300, not 3801 but I won't be surprised if both models have the same character.

There would be some who won't be able to spot the difference between the two.  If you are one of these people, just go on ahead and get the cheaper one and keep the change for DVDs.  :)

I personally chose the NAD T760 (sold to me for PhP45k).  It had better control vs. the Onkyo despite I think it's lower power rating and I needed this since I'd be driving 4ohm Dynaudios.  vs. the Denon which exhibited a very wide soundstage, I still chose the NAD due to its more defined placement of instruments and voices on the soundstage.
Title: Re: onkyo ts-ds575x or denon avr-3801?
Post by: alfred on Jul 03, 2001 at 02:52 AM
I go for the Denon. I auditioned a Denon I forgot the model before I bought my Yamaha. Maganda siya kaya lang MAHAL. Also visit the site http://www.audioreview.com. You'll find consumer reviews re:the products you are deciding on.
Title: Re: onkyo ts-ds575x or denon avr-3801?
Post by: rtsy on Jul 03, 2001 at 07:43 PM
Quote
im still looking for shops with denon units for testing. too bad virra mall is still closed after the fire.

A.V. Driver at Shangri-la has some Denons on display.  I'm just not sure if they have the 3801.  Do know that if you audition there, the only entry to mid-level speakers you'd find there is Energy.  The other speakres are $$$ (Dunlavy, Piega, Revel, etc.)!

I think the distributor is over at Eastwood City in Libis across Citibank.  They also carry JMLab and YBA.

I've read here at Elctronics Depot also along Libis has Denons for auditio with Mirage and Acoustic Energy.
Title: Re: onkyo ts-ds575x or denon avr-3801?
Post by: rtsy on Jul 03, 2001 at 07:46 PM
Quote
Im also planning to upgrade my receiver but my budget is for the Onkyo 484 or Yamaha 496 model only.

If it were my money, I'd save up a little more for an Onkyo 575x or a Yamaha 595a.

If your DPL receiver today can accept 5.1 channel inputs, an alternative would be to use Yamaha's DDP-2 DD/DTS decoder.  I saw one at Sound Dimension in Park Square for <PHP10k.

Title: DENON 3802 VS. ONKYO 797. Anyone care to compare?
Post by: stuazon on Apr 01, 2002 at 08:24 AM
The Denon 3802 and the Onkyo 797THX both sell for P56,000.00. The former boasts of a 7.1 capability while the latter is 6.1 but THX Certified. Anyone, who had undertaken a serious audition of both models and or made an A and B comparison?
Title: Re:DENON 3802 VS. ONKYO 797. Anyone care to compare?
Post by: levi on Apr 01, 2002 at 11:35 PM
Hello Stuazon,

    I moved this thread to Audio Topic because its about  receivers. Your old threads are about your stores that is why I moved it to General Topic. Thanks


levi
Title: Re:DENON 3802 VS. ONKYO 797. Anyone care to compare?
Post by: stuazon on Apr 02, 2002 at 05:18 PM
Thanks for the advise.
Title: Re:DENON 3802 VS. ONKYO 797. Anyone care to compare?
Post by: warpzone on Apr 02, 2002 at 08:48 PM
i have 797 however, pinapaayos ko pa coz there's a popping sound on front speakers and center.
Title: Denon or Marantz? B&W or SonusFaber? Please help!
Post by: Racio on Apr 11, 2002 at 04:01 AM
I apologize for this long post. Insomniacs have nothing to do in the twilight hours so please bear with me.

I'm pretty much a newbie who is about to go insane. Needles to say, I'm in dire need of suggestions/recommendations (or better yet: a psychological consultation). The last time I shelled out for my HT was about 7 years ago. And honestly, it was pretty straight forward then, but now, there's a plethora of brands/makes to choose from.

A little backgrounder must be in order so here you go: I've a smallish listening room and my existing setup is composed of a pathetic 10-year old Pioneer receiver (no DTS-ES, no DPL2, droopy sound and now technically dead at the service center), 7-year old Atlantic Technology speakers for my main, center and surrounds (small and all plastic), an old but reliable MK V-75 front firing active sub, and a brand new Pioneer 533K dvd player (and the only thing new). So once more, I've started another quest for a decent setup that would last me the next 7 years (hopefully). I believe the MK is a keeper, so I'm keeping it.

I'm opting to do this slowly, therefore, aside from a new receiver, my plan is to replace my front stage first then go to the surrounds later (my present budget can only get me that far). To date, I've auditioned the Energy e:XL-16, Veritas 2.3 (they didn't have the bookshelf 2.1 at that time, out of stock maybe), Dynaudio Audience 4.2, and the AR bookshelf speakers. The Veritas are awesome. These speakers seemed to talk to me. I didn't want to go back to the XLs after hearing these floorstanders (unfortunately, I can't afford these babies). The Dyns were, I think, a little flat and bright (perhaps it still wasn't fully broken in). ARs are just soso (muddy in my opinion).

Regarding receivers, I brought home a loaner Yamaha for 2 weeks to audition. The Yams are fully featured but I felt they're a little bright (40++ dsp's is pretty confusing and superfluous IMHO).  Denons are fantastic and robust yet it's relatively ill featured for the price (heck no on-screen display!). I've heard build quality problems on the Onkyo's though. In this side of the equation, I was leaning towards the Denon 2802, but here comes Marantz 6200 into the fray (it's cheaper!).

So this weekend, I'll be pouring time into auditioning the Marantz 6200, as well as the B&W CDM 1NT, and the gorgeous Sonus Faber Concertinos. To me the Tinos are total "eye candies" and pretty much "future proof" (I find this to be a big factor). So due to my meager review and current stock availability, I'm left w/ the following choices:

Denon AVR2802 or Marantz SR6200 ???
&
B&W CDM 1NT or Sonus Fabera Concertino (Home) ???

Help! I welcome any input.
TIA, - Racio Martinez
Title: Re:Denon or Marantz? B&W or SonusFabera? Please help!
Post by: manila on Apr 11, 2002 at 07:01 PM
Racio,
     Denon or Marantz? I think it is a very close call. Between receivers within a related price range, you should look for the features, the aesthetics (whether you love it's looks) and sheer gut feeling. The sound quality between 2 receivers within the same price range is almost comparing apples with apples. :) I think there is a mere 5%-10% difference in sound quality and for most, it's a psychological difference. :)
     I also had the same dilemna last year when comparing the CDM1NT and Sonus Faber Concertino. It all boils down to which "characteristics" you prefer and suits your listening style. I for one chose the Sonus Faber Concertino but let your ears and eyes decide.

Characteristics :
CDM1NT : musical purity where there is almost a cleansing sound to it's clarity, more analytical, more detail, has deep soundstage and very open in the upper frequencies (NAUTILUS?). Suits LIVE, ACOUSTIC music.

Concertino : more emotional and involving sounding, less detail, openness in the mids. Suits vocal jazz and piano/violin led music.

       Im also selling my Sonus Faber Concertino if you are interested in an audition, PM me. Good luck on your search. Whichever speaker you purchase, you won't be dissapointed! Just my 2 cents. :)

Manila
Title: Re:Denon or Marantz? B&W or SonusFaber? Please help!
Post by: Racio on Apr 11, 2002 at 09:32 PM
Thanks Manila.

Sent you a PM.

Racio.  :)
Title: Re:Denon or Marantz? B&W or SonusFabera? Please help!
Post by: eejit on Apr 12, 2002 at 08:29 AM
I have a B&W CDM1SE, still in good condition , im willing to part with it at an attractive price. in case you want to save some money, get this instead. sms me for price : 09165430797 in case someone out htere is interested
Title: Re:Denon or Marantz? B&W or SonusFabera? Please help!
Post by: rtsy on Apr 12, 2002 at 10:05 AM
Your opting to do your system upgrade/update slowly is very, very good.

It'd be great if you can audition the speaker/amp combinations in your shortlist together.

You mentioned you auditioned the Audience 42 w/c means you probably did that at Listening Room/In Style which means you probably used a Yamaha receiver.  If it sounded bright to you, you're hearing the receiver.  The Dyn's are one of the most neutral speakers around so if you feed it bright, you'd hear it bright.  I have the audience 40, driven by a NAD T760, it isn't at all bright.  Highs are smooth yet details are still retrieved well.

Where did you audition the Energy's?  Audio Visual Driver?  If there, you used NAD or Denon?  The latter are warmish sounding pieces.  I don't find it convincing that the famed Dyn Esotar tweets sound brighter than the aluminun dome tweets on the Veritas.  But then again, that's just me.  You're ears will tell you the truth.  :)

The Concertinos ar something else now...that's what I have on my Audio set-up.  I'd put it in the same price/performance class as the Audience but with very, very different characters.  Manila summed it up well.  The Dyns are more analytical and honest.  The SF's more musical, and smoother.  This is why I chose Dyns for my HT (so I hear pinpoint effects, clear dialogues, etc.) and SF's on audio (so I have a forgiving, highly musical, system that won't bleed my eardrums during my VST & co. moods).  :)

Last pointers...The Sonus do their best on tube amps (my first stop after winning the lottery is a Conrad Johnson showroom) or at least, tube sounding amps (Mufical Fidelity, Electrocompaniet, even warm amps like Rotel, NAD).

The Dyns are rather power hungry.

I use Ixos Gamma 6003 on both Dyn & SF.  Works much better than the 14 guage monster cables I used to have.  My next cable purchase would be VdH's the source for my I/C.
Title: Re:Denon or Marantz? B&W or SonusFabera? Please help!
Post by: maximusmeridius on Apr 12, 2002 at 11:02 AM
Racio,

I think you should give Harman Kardon receivers a try.  In my opinion, they better Denon, Yamaha and Marantz receivers especially in the sonics department.  In case you are not aware, Harman/Kardon is under the Harman Group which includes high quality brands such as Mark Levinson, Proceed, Lexicon, Revel, Infinity and JBL.

Regarding speakers, both of your choices are good.  It just boils down to personal preference, like anything in audio, if not in life.  I like sonuses better than B&ws and Dynaudios.  I like its natural and warm sound as well as its excellence in the PRAT (pace, rythm and timing) department.  If you want to be involved in the music and be seduced, then get the sonus.  If you want to hear sound with accuracy, then the get the others.

Good luck.

Title: Re:Denon or Marantz? B&W or SonusFabera? Please help!
Post by: levi on Apr 12, 2002 at 11:23 PM
Pare welcome to PinoyDVD,

  Good Luck and happy hunting.

levi
Title: Re:Denon or Marantz? B&W or SonusFaber? Please help!
Post by: Racio on Apr 13, 2002 at 02:21 PM
rtsy,

Well, budget constraints are my primary reason why I’m doing this slowly. The li’l missus ain’t particularly sold on the idea that I’m getting back to my old hobby again.

You’re right about the Dyns. They were using an rxv1000, if memory serves me right. But they also pointed out that they were still in the process of breaking the speakers in. In fact, I’m using Dyns driven by a McIntosh amp in my car for the past 5 years. My mobile fidelity setup’s highs are silky smooth, excellent mids, but it’s kinda lost down low. BTW, the previous generation of Sonus was using Dyns. I’m not completely sure what they are using with new series but the current tweeters look the same as Dynaudio’s 1” soft domes.

Yes, it was at AudioVisual at Shang. With a Denon 3802 I think. It’s just a shame they didn’t have the Veritas 2.1 for me to audition. I was really bowled over with the 2.3’s. I’m only in the market for bookshelf speakers, so floor standers are out of reach for me at this point in time.

From what I’ve read (professional reviews as well as consumer ones at AudioReview), the Sonus come extremely recommended. Then a couple of days ago, I was finally able to audition the Tino’s at Upscale. Wow, wow and wow!  :o  The mid frequency reproduction is truly out of this world. Highs were satin. It sounded truly lifelike. It never sounded artificial at all…phenomenal. The only speaker that felt “right”! I’m sure you know what I mean. I was so taken aback; I made the downpayment right away.

I’m still waiting for the Marantz SR6200 to arrive at Listening Room so that I can audition both of ‘em. Until then, the Sonus are reserved under my name. (hehe)   ;)

And now, with all my anticipation, I can hardly sleep at night! Yeesh! I can’t remember the last time I felt like this!  ;D

- Racio
Title: Re:Denon or Marantz? B&W or SonusFaber? Please help!
Post by: Racio on Apr 13, 2002 at 02:37 PM
Maximusmeridius,

Dude, how much are the Harman’s locally? Especially the AVR7500? Since you’re at it, could you also post the name of the shop and their phone number? Thanks. Someone (from this forum) told me that the Harman’s and Marantz’s have similar if not the same internals. Admittedly, I’m in no position to confirm this, could this be true?  ???

I’ve a copy of Sound&Vision’s ’02 buyers guide and it reads that the 7500 is only a 5 channel amp with 100W/ channel. The Marantz 6200 with 105Wx6 @ 8 ohms is going for P33,000 (I’m still trying to negotiate the price though). The Denon 2802 (around 100Wx6 @ 8 ohms) is around P40 grand. I really hope the Harman’s are less expensive than this.

I’d love to see and hear a rigid comparo test among these three AVRs. Anyone out there willing to do this?  ::)

- Racio

Hey pareng Lev, thanks for the invite to this forum! Konting pasensya pa sakin pare, until I finalize my purchases na lang tapos hindi na kita muna kukulitin ulit. Thanks for your evocations dude. I really appreciate it.  ;)


Title: Re:Denon or Marantz? B&W or SonusFabera? Please help!
Post by: striderhiryu1 on Apr 14, 2002 at 12:06 AM
Racio - you auditioned the SF Concertino Home in Upscale Mega (or Parksquare?).  Magkano na ba ang selling price nila.

I almost bought the SF Grand Piano (Php 103,000 less 20% - sale yata that time)  about 2 years ago but my wife didn't let me.  I'm getting this setup in a few years (once I'm back home)

SF GP Home  (mains)
SF Solo Home (center)
SF GP (rears)

BTW, the May 2002 issue of SGHT reviewed SF GP Home/Solo/Wall (almost a reprise of their review about 2 years ago)

TIA!
Title: Re:Denon or Marantz? B&W or SonusFabera? Please help!
Post by: levi on Apr 14, 2002 at 12:33 AM



Hey pareng Lev, thanks for the invite to this forum! Konting pasensya pa sakin pare, until I finalize my purchases na lang tapos hindi na kita muna kukulitin ulit. Thanks for your evocations dude. I really appreciate it.  ;)







Pare congrats and no problemo. Finally nakabili ka na din ng Marantz and your very happy with it. At least you followed my advise to stretch your budget and get a better model. It will make you happy for a long time rather than getting something cheaper but you will regret for a long time. If you need help just call me.
Title: Re:Denon or Marantz? B&W or SonusFabera? Please help!
Post by: levi on Apr 14, 2002 at 12:45 AM

Racio,
     Denon or Marantz? I think it is a very close call. Between receivers within a related price range, you should look for the features, the aesthetics (whether you love it's looks) and sheer gut feeling. The sound quality between 2 receivers within the same price range is almost comparing apples with apples. :) I think there is a mere 5%-10% difference in sound quality and for most, it's a psychological difference. :)
     I also had the same dilemna last year when comparing the CDM1NT and Sonus Faber Concertino. It all boils down to which "characteristics" you prefer and suits your listening style. I for one chose the Sonus Faber Concertino but let your ears and eyes decide.

Characteristics :
CDM1NT : musical purity where there is almost a cleansing sound to it's clarity, more analytical, more detail, has deep soundstage and very open in the upper frequencies (NAUTILUS?). Suits LIVE, ACOUSTIC music.

Concertino : more emotional and involving sounding, less detail, openness in the mids. Suits vocal jazz and piano/violin led music.

       Im also selling my Sonus Faber Concertino if you are interested in an audition, PM me. Good luck on your search. Whichever speaker you purchase, you won't be dissapointed! Just my 2 cents. :)

Manila


Manila,

   I was able to test the tinos and concerto and I really like the sound. If  only I have the budget, I would also like to get the SF. I have one question about these speakers. Do they have enough bass for normal easy listening in a 30 sq meter room? I dont need powerful and deep bass but I dont want mid and highs only. Thanks

levi
Title: Re:Denon or Marantz? B&W or SonusFabera? Please help!
Post by: dvdfan on Apr 14, 2002 at 01:15 AM
Racio,

I wouldn't buy any electronics that do not have a service center and distributor in the Philippines. Amplifiers today are more complicated and needs a good service center to fix.

From what I know, Marantz used to be brought in by Philips but not anymore.

So, if ever Listening room sells marantz. It may be coming from the gray market.

thanks!
Title: Re:Denon or Marantz? B&W or SonusFabera? Please help!
Post by: maximusmeridius on Apr 14, 2002 at 12:19 PM
Racio,

I think the new Harman Series (7500, 5500, 4500, etc.)is not yet available locally.  Perhaps in a few months???

The Harman receiver that is in your price range is the AVR5000.  I think its Suggested Retail Price is P36,500.  It is still 5.1 unlike the Marantz and the Denon which are already 6.1.  But when do we stop adding channels????  It's really a marketing ploy in my opinion.  Next year, i'm sure the "in" thing will be 7.1 or 8.1.

Regarding their power rating, I'm not sure if Marantz's 105watts is for 1khz or for 20-20khz.  H/K is rated at 70watts while the Denon at 90watts, both for 20-20Khz.  However, H/K receivers take pride in their High Current capablitiy.  The H/K AVR5000 produces a whopping 45 amperes.  

I'm not sure how much the AVR7000 sells, perhaps it's in the 50s.

I have no comment on the similiraties of Marantz and H/K receivers as I have not personally compared their internals.

Oh, to listen to the H/K AVR5000, call Architectural Audio at 811-6715.  They are located in the New World Hotel.

Good luck.

Title: Re:Denon or Marantz? B&W or SonusFaber? Please help!
Post by: Racio on Apr 14, 2002 at 12:23 PM
Striderhiryu1,

It was at Mega. I’m getting the Tinos from them for P35T and the Solos for P25T, but this is only at 15% discount. I can’t recall the list price on the GPs. I guess I was simply overwhelmed by the Tinos that I forgot to ask.

I think I’m getting a little rusty in haggling for prices since you mentioned that they can still go lower at 20% discount, thanks for the info dude, I’m going to play hardball with them this time around when I pickup my speakers on Tuesday.  ;)

I’ll surely grab an issue of that magazine. I often get to read the reviews on the net. There are actually a lot of professional reviews out there, sorta reprints from magazines themselves. E-coustics.com is a good source.

- Racio
Title: Re:Denon or Marantz? B&W or SonusFaber? Please help!
Post by: Racio on Apr 14, 2002 at 12:42 PM
dvdfan,

Yup, it’s grey market alright. I’m pretty aware of the risks involved. But for what it’s worth, I asked Oliver’s supplier a guarantee that if there’s any defect on the Marantz that might come up for the next twelve months, he would give me a clean swap of the same model but with a brand new one. Let’s hope he’s true to his word. Anyway, I’ve known Oliver for years now, and he has never screwed me on a deal yet.  ;)

- Racio
Title: Re:Denon or Marantz? B&W or SonusFabera? Please help!
Post by: dvdfan on Apr 14, 2002 at 01:23 PM
Racio,

Better  do a contract and let them sign it. :)  It is easy to sell and give you all the sales pitch but as soon as you buy and they can not service, the problem comes in... but why take the risk?

Since you are updating your system, better get a 6.1 channel receiver. The 6.1 is not a marketing ploy, it is simply audio technology getting better to recreate the true 360 surround system. Remember, that you can not recreate 360 degrees surround without having a back speaker.

7.1 is already available today with the Denon AVCA11SE.
My preference is the Denon over marantz primarily because it gets better reviews and is known for an amp that sounds good for both audio and video.

While your at it make sure you are going to buy a Dolby Prolig II..  Its WORTH IT!!!



Title: Re:Denon or Marantz? B&W or SonusFaber? Please help!
Post by: Racio on Apr 14, 2002 at 02:00 PM
maximusmeridius,

Thanks for the info dude. Yeah, Levi did mention to me the merits of the high amperage rating of the H/K receivers. I’ve read good reviews about this capability and for now, I can’t find fault in them except for their premium prices (w/c in effect justifies its cost). Although I already own a Marantz SR6200, I still feel that I need to listen to the H/Ks just to have a somewhat baseline for comparison’s sake (so a trip back to Makati must be in order then). I actually prefer their black/silver finish over the gold -only option finish of the Marantz and Denons. The black finish is not available locally except for the Onkyo’s (I think).

The multiple channels thing does seem to be a never ending issue and I also find it to be bordering on futility. But I think we’re reaching its peak already from what I read.

Actually, I banked on the Marantz 6200 due to the 6.1 capability among its other features (having the most bang-for-buck was the biggest factor). In fact, I’m still at 5.1 and I don’t intend to go 6.1 until I get to have a larger listening room. That’ll be a year or so from now if I’m lucky. When that time does come, what I eventually plan to do is reduce the Marantz avr to a pre-amplifier only and hook it up to a proper amplifier, preferably with a higher output (hopefully a used 200Wx6 amplifier if I can find one… it’s still free to dream right?  8) ).

Later then,
- Racio

Title: Re:Denon or Marantz? B&W or SonusFaber? Please help!
Post by: Racio on Apr 14, 2002 at 02:23 PM
dvdfan,

Well dude, I actually made them write the guarantee on my receipt, not in so many words though.  ;)

The Marantz is in fact a 6.1 channel avr and does have DPL2 decoder capability. Furthermore, it has SRS “Circle Surround” w/c some reviewers' claim to be a lot better than DPL2. Interesting huh?  :o

Perhaps when Oliver Pe and his brother Jeff would carry the new Denon receivers again, (they have the really old ones in stock) we could expect them to perform a head-to-head test using the least variables for us.  ;D

Thanks for your input.
- Racio
Title: Re:Denon or Marantz? B&W or SonusFabera? Please help!
Post by: striderhiryu1 on Apr 14, 2002 at 05:12 PM
Racio - the 20% off was during a mall wide sale (and on the olders SF Concerto models) or something so I think the 15% discount is normal  (same with the parksquare branch).  And that was 2 years ago when the US$ 1 = PhP40.

I remember during the demo that the SF GP was driven by a very good amp (forgot the model) so you may want to audition this first with the amp you're tring to match them with.

good luck!
Title: Re:Denon or Marantz? B&W or SonusFaber? Please help!
Post by: Racio on Apr 15, 2002 at 12:08 AM
Oh...2 years ago huh. Right, it was at only P40=$1 then....   :'(

Since I already have the Marantz SR6200 with me, I'm bound to do the audition with the Sonus.

Thanks! - Racio   :)
Title: AVR-2802 vs. RX-V530
Post by: symon on Apr 15, 2002 at 06:01 PM
Hello, I'd like to know your comments on which is the better receiver: the Denon AVR-2802 or the Yamaha RX-V530. I think both are in the same level (price and features wise). Someone told me that the Yamaha is better for audio (music) while Denon is better for HT.
Title: Re:Denon or Marantz? B&W or SonusFabera? Please help!
Post by: manila on Apr 15, 2002 at 06:36 PM


Manila,

   I was able to test the tinos and concerto and I really like the sound. If  only I have the budget, I would also like to get the SF. I have one question about these speakers. Do they have enough bass for normal easy listening in a 30 sq meter room? I dont need powerful and deep bass but I dont want mid and highs only. Thanks

levi


Levi,
    A 30 sq mtr room is fairly reasonable for a Concertino. For easy listening, the Concertino sounds full and without a back to back comparo with a floorstander, you will be hard pressed finding the lack in bass a flaw. One other thing the frequency of a concertino goes down to 50hz add another 5hz or lower depending on the room interaction. The lowest note on a bass stringed guitar goes down to 50hz.
    More than not, you will hear frequencies around the 40hz but of course at say a -3db or more. anything below that might not be audible on the Concertino but to whoever is familiar with sub bass frequencies 35hz and below would tell you it is a mere perception unless boosted.
    I am not saying floorstanders are worthless, a full range floorstander will give you the lowest notes on PIPE ORGANS etc. But a person listening to a good bookshelf speaker like the Concertino will find it sounding adequately full unless all-out bass and decibels are required. Also, when you have heard of the Concertino with vocals, piano and strings, you will all but forget the weaknesses and get emotionally involved with the music itself. Just my 2 cents..

Manila
Title: Re:AVR-2802 vs. RX-V530
Post by: Furry on Apr 15, 2002 at 11:58 PM
Symon, from what i know, the price of Denon 2802 is much, much higher than the RX-V530. (more than 10k difference) You should consider that too :) There are Yammie lovers here as well as Denon but it will be entirely up to you. I really had a hard time deciding between Denon and Yammie but I have no regrets with the denon 1802. I may not have 6.1 but i won't probably need the rear center channel 'coz of space constraints in the room. Good luck on your choice! The RX-V530 seems a good buy though :)
Title: Re:Denon or Marantz? B&W or SonusFaber? Please help!
Post by: levi on Apr 15, 2002 at 11:58 PM
Manila,

   Thanks for the info. I guess its one of my future prospect for a separate stereo setup. I just want a full sound from a single pair of speaker.
Title: Re:AVR-2802 vs. RX-V530
Post by: levi on Apr 16, 2002 at 12:06 AM

Hello, I'd like to know your comments on which is the better receiver: the Denon AVR-2802 or the Yamaha RX-V530. I think both are in the same level (price and features wise). Someone told me that the Yamaha is better for audio (music) while Denon is better for HT.


Hello Symon,

   I think the counterpart of Yammie 530 is Denon 1802. You could try Electronics Depot, they carry both brand so you can make a side by side comparison. Know what you need like Inputs,DSP, Processing, power, looks, service, Price, speaker matching, etc. Just my 1 cent.

levi
Title: Re:AVR-2802 vs. RX-V530
Post by: Racio on Apr 16, 2002 at 01:00 AM
Symon,

Well, I was in the same boat just a couple of weeks ago. I learned of the pending new wave of Yammies coming in so I researched a bit in anticipation.

However, I must point out that you’re not exactly right on the money here. Perhaps you’re referring to the Denon 1802 rather than the 2802. Reason being is that the avr1802 and rxv530 are in the PHP23-26T range, while the avr2802’s are going for around PHP39T. Both the 1802 and the 530 are 5 channel avrs (75Wrms x 5 for the former and 65Wrms x 5 for the latter @ 8 ohms) so they should fit in nicely for a level comparison.  :D

I believe it’s the rxv730 which would be the closest competitor to the 2802. Unfortunately, the former won’t be available locally until a couple of months or so (this is what I’ve been told).   >:(

There are no reviews yet available for the X30 Yams since they’re practically brand new on the market. I demoed the new Yams for only a short period at Listening Room last week. Since they have speakers hanging all around their shop, they can instantly set up a gear on a whim. Upon hearing them, it confirms my presupposition that they maintain to exhibit the same sonically dynamic characteristics as with the older generation they’ve replaced. This is actually very good for HT in most cinematic mediums but just so in stereo mode IMHO. In this respect I tend to side with the Denon’s when it comes to musicality where balance and a broad spectrum is high on the list.  ::)

To be fair, please take this opinion with “tons” of salt given that it wasn’t really a decent audition on the new Yams. There are still too many variables and no proper baseline for comparison during my first encounter with them. Anyhow, on the brighter side, the 530's feature DTS-ES Matrix 6.1 (vs. 5.1 with the 1802) capability via “rear center phantom mode” (no need for a center rear driver...interesting indeed!)  :o  .  Also, it has 6 inputs (vs. 5) for external signal processing (a "future proofing" feature). With 21 DSP modes and plus “Silent Cinema”, "Quad Field Cinema" and “Virtual Cinema” modes there’s no denying that this is an all out HT extravaganza that could drive a techie freak in tears.    :'(

Hope this helps. - Racio
Title: Re:AVR-2802 vs. RX-V530
Post by: symon on Apr 16, 2002 at 06:21 PM
Yup, thanks for the correction, it's the 1802 vs the 530. Thanks for the replies, I guess it's all up to the individual to audition the receivers (it's up to one's preferences). Thanks for all the info. :)
Title: Re:Denon or Marantz? B&W or SonusFaber? Please help!
Post by: levi on Apr 30, 2002 at 11:27 PM
Bringing this up for DVDfan
Title: Re:Denon or Marantz? B&W or SonusFaber? Please help!
Post by: tony_montana on May 03, 2002 at 12:11 AM
Hi Racio,

     Sorry the model you we're looking for are out of stock...

     I'll inform you as soon as it's available....

Can you help me find a buyer for Denon AVC - A1SR???? I'll give you the best price... Thanks

-Tony_M
Title: Re:Denon or Marantz? B&W or SonusFaber? Please help!
Post by: Racio on May 03, 2002 at 03:05 AM

MARANTZ is coming out sooon!!!

42" PLASMA TV for 289K
6.1 CHANNEL AVR starting at 22K
5.1 DPL-II  starting at 14.9K!!!





42" Plasma for P289K? That's a "steal" compared to the Samsung's right? That sounds to be a perty interestin' deal yo got there partner! (giddyup)   ;)

Unfortunately at 289 grand, I've to wait until I hit the lotto jackpot or 'til I suddenly get elected as congressman of QC,  ;)  at which point, it would definitely be in my very short "short list".  8)
Title: Re:Denon or Marantz? B&W or SonusFaber? Please help!
Post by: Racio on May 03, 2002 at 03:12 AM
Hi Racio,

     Sorry the model you we're looking for are out of stock...

     I'll inform you as soon as it's available....

Can you help me find a buyer for Denon AVC - A1SR???? I'll give you the best price... Thanks

-Tony_M

That's okay. I'll call you back soon. Thanks! - Racio
Title: Re:Denon or Marantz? B&W or SonusFabera? Please help!
Post by: rtsy on May 07, 2002 at 09:05 AM



SF. I have one question about these speakers. Do they have enough bass for normal easy listening in a 30 sq meter room? I dont need powerful and deep bass but I dont want mid and highs only. Thanks


Levi,

I have the 'Tinos.  Keep 'em close to the rear wall (no more than 3 ft) and each other (no more than 7-8ft) and you will be rewarded with decent bass...not the ones you need for techno, big band, and really large orchestras, but for my type of music (jazz vocals, some pop, some rock, quartet/quintet classicals) it's more than enough.

Surf through Audio Asylum and look for posts made by Hyperion.  He's a Pinoy Sonus Faber meister.  Read his posts about SF set-up carefully.  And try to ignore his posts on matching components for the SF or else like me, you'll end up dreaming of stuff you cannot afford (e.g., Conrad johnson tube amps, Audio Note silver speaker cables, Naim, etc.).  ;-)
Title: Re:Which is better Denon, Onkyo or Yamaha Receiver
Post by: killer_eyes on May 13, 2002 at 07:45 AM
question lang po

which one is better? considering almost the same price
yamaha 430 or denon avr682? im planning to buy this week end tnx
Title: Re:Denon or Marantz? B&W or SonusFaber? Please help!
Post by: hyperion on May 24, 2002 at 01:19 AM
Hey Russ!

LTNS! aw shucks ... pinu-plug mo pala ako rito hehehe. Ey, musta ka na? I got a REL sub! :D
Title: Re:Denon or Marantz? B&W or SonusFaber? Please help!
Post by: manila on May 24, 2002 at 06:56 PM

Hey Russ!

LTNS! aw shucks ... pinu-plug mo pala ako rito hehehe. Ey, musta ka na? I got a REL sub! :D



Pareng Han***,
   Good to see you here!! :)

Manila
Title: Re:Which is better Denon, Onkyo or Yamaha Receiver
Post by: lexmil on May 25, 2002 at 02:55 PM
check-out www.epinions.com for reviews of AV recievers and other electronic gadgets.  There are other sites as well so find it fom www.google.com.

My preference to Onkyo is subjective.  All I know is that is was within my budget at that time, about P40k.  THis is the top of the line Integra AV receiver of 1996 (can't even remember the model number as I'm writing this in the office).  It's just prologic with DSP surround and THX certified.  The newer models now are much better in terms of features and the reviews I've read from the internet as well as from magazines  that it is superior to any of the brands for the same price at any orice level.  And don't bother with the THX logo, it's pure hype (the Lucas company just want to rip your off). Just get an AV receiver with at least DTS and Dolby Digital 5.1 decoders and analog inputs for future DVD-audio and SACD players.  The top Onkyo model has 7.1 channels of pure 100W RMS each. And component video jacks and with 6 or 7 programmable/assignable digital outputs and inputs, RCA and optical. The the remote has an LCD and is programmable.  

At the megamall and Makati cinema square, Onkyo only comes in gold finish.  Yamaha and Enonon comes in black. I personally would go for the black if only to match my existing color scheme.  But looking at the Onkyo brochures, they also come in black but the local distributors here seem to orefer dictating on the market that gold should be their choice.  If only for this I would lfor Yamaha.  They're cheaper than Onkyo watt for watt.



Title: Re:Denon or Marantz? B&W or SonusFaber? Please help!
Post by: rtsy on May 29, 2002 at 01:48 PM

Hey Russ!

LTNS! aw shucks ... pinu-plug mo pala ako rito hehehe. Ey, musta ka na? I got a REL sub! :D



But of course...I saw you plug me (well, my systems at least) in AA to a guy comparing Dyn and SF.  ;-)

Have you made the jump to HT?  I cannot imaging how you'd do that with the EAII without using 3 pairs of 'em in a 6.1 set-up or a 5.1 set-up with a spare EAII.  :-)
Title: Re:Denon or Marantz? B&W or SonusFabera? Please help!
Post by: rtsy on May 29, 2002 at 02:19 PM


       Im also selling my Sonus Faber Concertino if you are interested in an audition, PM me. Good luck on your search. Whichever speaker you purchase, you won't be dissapointed! Just my 2 cents. :)


Manila,

   I was able to test the tinos and concerto and I really like the sound. If  only I have the budget, I would also like to get the SF. I have one question about these speakers. Do they have enough bass for normal easy listening in a 30 sq meter room? I dont need powerful and deep bass but I dont want mid and highs only. Thanks

levi


Manila, why part with your 'Tinos?  Is it still available?  Is it the Home or pre-Home series? My friend is in the market for a Concerto Home but a great price on the 'Tinos might sway him over.  I did tell him that the two are not quite the same though.

Racio,

I feel silly writing this below especially since we now have a resident SF connoseuir (spelling?) in Hyperion on board but here goes anyway...

30sqm or about a 6x5m room can be a stretch for the 'Tino's bass especially if your room is stuffed (e.g., large couch, drapes, carpet, etc.).  But keep the 'Tinos no more than 0.5 to 1m from the rear/side wall (but not equidistant from rear and side wall) and you'll find satisfying bottom end except for the largest of orchestral pieces or the really big band jazz.  Consider also the height of the stands you'll use.

Watch also how far apart you have them.  ~2.5m would be the farthest I'd have them before I lose middle soundstage.  Keep the tweeters out instead of in unless your side walls are too close that side reflections would be a problem.  I read the opposite works for the Concerto.

I have my 'Tinos on 27" sand-filled stands (from Jun Reyes).  SF has a height adjustable stand specifically to tune the speaker positioning to your room--closer to the floor, more bass w/c can be good or bad, depending on your taste and room.  Watch out though for a tinge of brightness with the 'Tino's tweets at ear level.  Maybe warmer/darker cables can help you here.  (Hyperion, any suggestions?)

If cost were no object, I strongly suggest a sub when using the 'Tinos in this room.  My REL Q100E works really well with the 'Tinos.  My only complaint is having to haul that sealed box in and out of my HT ifI wanted it with my SF.  :-) A Strata III or SF Gravis would theoretically be better (never heard them for fear of wanting then needing them).

Or you can go for the more refined and mature Concerto (I recently heard both Home versions) whose larger cabinet would give you more bass.  Be warned though, SF would convince you to upgrade your electronics.  I for one am saving up for a CJ CAV50--I read this doesn't work as well on the Concerto's though.  In fact, the 'Net is full or warnings about using the Concerto with fat-tish or boomyish amps.

Well, that's about all I've learned about my SF 'Tino's.

As a parting shot, as much as I love SF for music, I'm not so sure I like SFs in HT where typical audio are to my ears better served by the faster, crispier, punchier sound of Dynaudios.  But this is just me.  I know Home Theater Mag had a rave review of an SF system for HT (GPH, Solo, 'Tino or Concerto for rear effects--I cringed when I typed "Concerto for rears").

I'm quite concerned by your shorlist of B&W vs. SF for speakers.  To my mind, this tells me that you haven't quite sorted out your preferred sonic character as these two sound very different.  Manila's description of the different sonic character of B&W and SF is accurate.

Lemme put it this way, if B&W were a doctor, he's a surgeon--precise, objective, clinical/sterile (I don't mean this in the negative sense of boring but in the positive sense of enlightening, resolving).  SF on the other hand is a Psychologist--a soother/comforter, subjective, someone whose couch you could sit in for hours on end.

Figure out which character you prefer first.  Or else you'll end up like me, one with a neutral, revealing HT set-up, a separate and smoother audio set-up, and no savings account.  ;-)

Good luck!
Title: Re:Denon or Marantz? B&W or SonusFaber? Please help!
Post by: Racio on May 29, 2002 at 09:27 PM
rtsy,

Excellent advice! Thanks!  :)  Actually, I did go the SF route and got myself a beautiful pair of walnut finish Tino’s (Home) and a leather-clad Solo (Home) for my center.

Manila made mention to me about the Pinoy SF Guru Hyperion. It must be said that his posts in AA are thoroughly interesting and informative. Glad he’s part of this forum already.

BTW, speaking of Manila’s Tino’s (Pre-Home), well, they’re already spoken for. Yup, I bought them as well. I was supposed to use ‘em for my rear channels, but same as with you, I also cowered at the thought. Especially after I realized that the Pre-Home versions are an inch bigger both in height and length. And for a moment, I thought that perhaps Manila sold me the Concerto’s instead. Lovely thought though, but nah… stamped at the back of its enclosure reads serial # 10026 “Concertino”.  :D

So, stuck with my ol’ Atlantics bi-polars for the rear, I decided to put up a pure stereo setup at my den. My HT system is actually, and to wife’s delight, installed inside our bedroom. 12 feet from the foot of our bed is a wall of cabinets constructed to accommodate my 36” telly, Marantz 8200 THX receiver, 533K dvd player, vcr etc.

It wasn’t as straight forward moving on to the den, which is kinda’ smallish at roughly 12’x12’. So, just recently, I stacked my 6 Lovan shelves in three’s against the wall. Now, it supports all my used-gear-line-up, namely: VTL C160 monoblocks (160Wpc), Cary SLP90 preamp, Pioneer PDS904 cd player, MF X10-D, and Thorens 166MkII. However, I was able to convince myself and went with brand new Transparent Link 100 for all my interconnects. Writing that stupendous amount on my check was tough!  :-\

I think I was pretty fortunate to find a pair of used but authentic SF stands. These are the ones with marble base and an all walnut center column. It matches my Tino's finish to a tee! It has a fixed height of only 23.5” though. Using my MITerminator 5 speaker cables, I placed the Tino’s around 5.5’ apart, 2’ from the rear wall, 3’ from the sides. No toe-in as suggested by Manila. And he’s right; sound is agreeably less forward and delivers a wider soundstage. I situated my Velodyne VLF1012’s at one corner and set the x-over to around 45Hz, which made it sorta’ “sonically invisible” if you will. Pity that I couldn't stretch my wallet for the RELs. Which finish did you opt for BTW?

It ain’t the last word on my speaker placements though. I’m even considering applying spikes to my stand’s marble base via a plank of wood beneath it. What do you think? Worth it?  ???

Cheers,
-Racio  8)
Title: Re:Denon or Marantz? B&W or SonusFaber? Please help!
Post by: rtsy on May 30, 2002 at 09:43 AM
-->  VTL C160 monoblocks (160Wpc),
--> Cary SLP90 preamp,
--> Pioneer PDS904 cd player
--> MF X10-D
--> Thorens 166MkII

I cringe at the thought of you upgrading this later on.  But feel free to do so, the Philippine GDP could use a 1% boost.  ;-)

How do you find the X10D on the PDS904?  I read that the X10D is a love it or hate it component that tend to "improve" lower end CD players (and yours isn't).

--> Transparent Link 100

How'd you find this on the 'Tinos?  I read cables with magic boxes and SF don't get along that well.  It'd be interesting to know your experience especially since you have them both on the interconnect and speaker cable.  I heard the 'Tino Home and Concerto Home with Transparent speaker cables on a brief audition and I can't really compare it to my pre-Home 'Tino set-up (w/ Ixos 6003) since my amp (an ageing entry-level Nakamichi IA-3) isn't quite up to snuff with the MF A3 I heard the Homes with.

--> Which finish did you opt for BTW?

I got the REL in grittex black.  I think only the Gravis can match any SF's in the looks department.  ;-)
Title: Re:Denon or Marantz? B&W or SonusFaber? Please help!
Post by: Racio on May 30, 2002 at 06:54 PM
rtsy,

Hehe. :D  You’ll be surprised at how “cheap” I was able to get hold of my aforementioned 2nd hand gear. When JR offered me the VTLs, he wasn’t totally aware of what he was selling. He kept on saying that it’s only rated @ 60Wpc, but it’s actually a 320W mammoth :o . I didn’t even pay cash! And a simple inquiry at AA confirmed my initial thoughts on its capability. Since then I’ve upgraded its 2 quads of Chinese KT88s to the Russo-made Sovteks (matched quads). The latter’s “dark” and “smooth” character really suits my taste. Still, I might try Svetlana’s in the future.

The SLP90’s internal phono stage is surely a big bonus. Hooked up to my Thorens, they sound fabulous. This Cary preamp plus the PDS904 are premium items I got from le’ tube guru R.R. But at a non-premium price of course, most specially the PDS904.  ;) Your right about that cd player, these were Pioneer’s flagship model back in its heyday about 4 yrs ago. It’s hard not to adore its big black stable cd platter, particularly the way it plays cds. Unlike other players, you place the cd’s label side at the bottom, in short: it’s “upside-down”, which I find to be quite exquisite looking. It’s like playing a miniature LP where the cd’s grooves are facing right at ya’.  ;) It sounds better than anything I ever tried before.

I guess I’m fine with my X-10Ds, although I already had these at the very onset and were originally hooked up to my HT system. I got a pair of these at real bonker prices. Frankly, there was a time I loathed ‘em because it made my system sound awfully muddy, and then I realized that I actually plugged ‘em the wrong way. Given that it’s 2nd hand, it didn’t come with the manuals and all, so all I knew at that time was that it’s a Class “A” tube buffer. I then installed it between the pre and power amps, and boy was I wrong. Although you can actually do it that way, I don’t recommend it, more so if you have an all tube setup.

Regarding the Transparents, I barely did any research before I bought my Link 100s. JR gave me a good deal on ‘em together with the VTLs. Also, I got my MITs at a bargain. I bought them used from Explorer, with banana plugs and all. While we're on the subject, I find it costly to compare good speaker wires; particularly the non-precut ones since most shops won’t slash a pair of 10’ Ixos from their bulk roll unless they’re certain you’ll be paying for ‘em.  ::)

I tell you, hang on to your Pre-Home (MkI) Tinos. To me, they sound somewhat sweeter than the Home (MkII) version. As with the former, MkII’s slightly roll off in the higher octaves but has a feeble harshness in the mid trebles. Still, both exhibit the revered SF smooth vivid mids. Actually, MkII’s have the upper hand in bass. The Home’s bass sound reproduction is “punchier” and has slightly more “slam” to it. But like I said, I really dig MkI’s smoother treble. But this is just me.  ;)

Currently, it’s suffice to say that I’m thoroughly satisfied with both my stereo and ht setup; hence, I don’t see any major revamp in the horizon. Perhaps a li’l tweak here and there but that’s it  ;) . I’m actually very fond of my Marantz 8200 (I recently upgraded from the 6200). The sound I get from this avr is extremely neutral. It even comes with this really cool RC3200 remote. What more can I say about a backlit touch-screen lcd rc? It can even control our airconditioner! It’s really fantastic.

I saw a used set of CJ pre and power amp up for sale at Sonny’s. You might be interested.

-Racio  8)
Title: Re:Denon or Marantz? B&W or SonusFaber? Please help!
Post by: rtsy on May 31, 2002 at 11:04 PM
--> I saw a used set of CJ pre
--> and power amp up for sale
--> at Sonny’s. You might be interested.

Which of Sonny's stores?  He has a couple, right?

Remember the model/price?
Title: Re:Denon or Marantz? B&W or SonusFaber? Please help!
Post by: Racio on Jun 01, 2002 at 08:30 AM

--> I saw a used set of CJ pre
--> and power amp up for sale
--> at Sonny’s. You might be interested.

Which of Sonny's stores?  He has a couple, right?

Remember the model/price?


It's at "Home Theatre" in Makati. Sorry, I can't recall what particular model it was, but from what I remember the CJ power amp that I saw has a bank of EL34's, a pair on each side, and Sonny was telling me that it's rated at 60Wpc while I was speeding back to my double parked car. I don't want to get misquoted so I guess you just have to call him at 812-5235 later today regarding his asking price.

-Racio  8)
Title: Re:Which is better Denon, Onkyo or Yamaha Receiver
Post by: bonjit on Jun 10, 2002 at 05:12 PM
Hi I'm Bonjit taga Sydney Australia, I compared the three brands na iyan before I bought my receiver. Napansin ko iyung yamaha na model na pinakinggan ko dati masyadong forward sounding tumunog ang sakit sa taynga, ang Denon hindi masyado forward sounding tumunog ang modelo na inaudition namin yung 2801 yata that time, ang Onkyo naman ang binili ko yung 656
unfortunately wala pang dts ito at that  time noong binili ko satisfied naman ako dito sa tunog at saka mura itong Onkyo compared sa Denon at that time. I think mapipilitan na akong magupgrade to get a dts on board nagiisip ako kung bibilin ko yung 696 which is 100 watts per channel at saka may dvd-audio na which 1,999.00
Australian dollars RRP  kaya lang makukuha ko lang ito
ng 1,500.00. By the way na audition ko lahat itong mga receiver sa B&W 602 series 2, cc6 series 2 at 601 series2 for the rear.
Title: Re:AVR-2802 vs. RX-V530
Post by: Sir Psycho Sexy on Aug 13, 2002 at 08:48 AM
I have my heart set out on buying the 530. Saan ang Electronics Depot and do they have cheaper prices than Ambassador? Doon ko pa lang nakita ang 530 eh.

Thanks a lot
Title: Re:AVR-2802 vs. RX-V530
Post by: onedown on Aug 13, 2002 at 09:09 AM
oh_dino,

electronics depot is located at libis, accross ford libis. electronics depot is a member of this forum. theres actually a thread discussing electronics depot. try searching for it. sorry, can't really remember where. you could also try sending electronics depot a private messsage.

thanks.
Title: Re:AVR-2802 vs. RX-V530
Post by: Jick on Aug 14, 2002 at 09:59 PM

I have my heart set out on buying the 530. Saan ang Electronics Depot and do they have cheaper prices than Ambassador? Doon ko pa lang nakita ang 530 eh.

Thanks a lot


You might want to consider the RXV-430.  Same power rating but less features.  I went with the 430 because it was cheaper and the extra features of the 530 I didn't really need such pre-outs and A-B speaker switching among others.  Otherwise they are the same amp.

Jovi
Title: Re:AVR-2802 vs. RX-V530
Post by: Sir Psycho Sexy on Aug 15, 2002 at 06:39 AM


You might want to consider the RXV-430.  Same power rating but less features.  I went with the 430 because it was cheaper and the extra features of the 530 I didn't really need such pre-outs and A-B speaker switching among others.  Otherwise they are the same amp.

Jovi



Actually i was considering the 430 originaly until i found out wala pala siyang S-Video inputs. Anyway I've expanded my choices to include the Onky tx-sr494  or 500. Ok rin sina ang Yamaha 620 pero wala kasing PLII. BTW is PLII worth the extra cost?  
Title: Re:AVR-2802 vs. RX-V530
Post by: Jick on Aug 19, 2002 at 01:21 AM

You might want to consider the RXV-430.  Same power rating but less features.  I went with the 430 because it was cheaper and the extra features of the 530 I didn't really need such pre-outs and A-B speaker switching among others.  Otherwise they are the same amp.

Jovi


Actually i was considering the 430 originaly until i found out wala pala siyang S-Video inputs. Anyway I've expanded my choices to include the Onky tx-sr494  or 500. Ok rin sina ang Yamaha 620 pero wala kasing PLII. BTW is PLII worth the extra cost?  

PLII is worth the extra cost if you will watch a lot of movies in stereo sound, like wathing cable TV (HBO, Cinemax) or watching VHS or vcd.  If you are purely a DVD guy, PLII is useless.  

Jovi
Title: Re:AVR-2802 vs. RX-V530
Post by: Sir Psycho Sexy on Aug 19, 2002 at 12:24 PM
PLII is worth the extra cost if you will watch a lot of movies in stereo sound, like wathing cable TV (HBO, Cinemax) or watching VHS or vcd.  If you are purely a DVD guy, PLII is useless.  

Jovi

Yah I try to avoid vhs as much as possible and never touch vcds.
I do however also listen  to a lot of music. Hindi ba maganda ang PLII when listening to cds?
Title: Re:AVR-2802 vs. RX-V530
Post by: listener on Aug 21, 2002 at 10:12 PM
Quote
Quote

Yah I try to avoid vhs as much as possible and never touch vcds.
I do however also listen  to a lot of music. Hindi ba maganda ang PLII when listening to cds?

nothing beats stereo for critical listening of CD's encoded with 2 channel audio. Using DPL, DPL2 or any of the soundfield presets found on receivers and processors tend to degrade the sound rather than improve it.  Results are also somewhat unpredictable since the 2 channel audio CD's are not intended to be decoded by any other decoding process but stereo.

just my .02 cents
Title: Re:AVR-2802 vs. RX-V530
Post by: luther on Aug 22, 2002 at 09:42 AM
hmmm, bigla tuloy akong napaisip sa denon 1802... yun na sana bilhin ko...

oks lang kaya ang rx-v530 with infinity alpha speakers?
Title: Re:AVR-2802 vs. RX-V530
Post by: listener on Aug 22, 2002 at 10:04 AM
luther

the best thing to do is to audition both receivers. If its not too big a hassle, bring your Infinity Alpha's when you audition the receivers. Be there sa store ng maaga para walang masyadong tao.  There is no substitute for listening to the actual piece of equipment. Audio is very subjective....let us not take the word of others agad without hearing (or seeing) for ourselves.  I have the chance to own an early Denon AVR series receiver (5 years ago during the infancy of AC3) and iba naman ang experience ko....it sounds very good sa stereo music and multi-channel when used with a transparent and neutral speaker such as the B&W DM302.  Do the auditions first before deciding what to buy. Good luck ;D
Title: Re:Onkyo or Denon?
Post by: levi on Aug 23, 2002 at 12:58 AM
Bringing this up for new members. Thanks
Title: Re:Onkyo or Denon?
Post by: lakambini on Aug 29, 2002 at 03:33 PM
if ur tight on a budget i strongly suggest that you get an onkyo. aside from more affordable it has more useful features at this price range compared with other brands like denon and harman.
Title: Re:Onkyo or Denon?
Post by: mdman on Aug 29, 2002 at 07:35 PM
what's better, onkyo tx-sr500 or the denon 1602, i'm planing to buy this week end and i'm still undecided
Title: Re:Onkyo or Denon?
Post by: Sir Psycho Sexy on Aug 29, 2002 at 09:04 PM
what's better, onkyo tx-sr500 or the denon 1602, i'm planing to buy this week end and i'm still undecided

Heads up mdman!

Kung hindi ka opposed to buying 2nd hand, someone's auctioning his 1602 at bidshot. starting price is 10K

here's the link Denon 1602  (http://www.bidshot.com/listings/details/index.cfm?itemnum=1030761161)
Title: Re:Onkyo or Denon?
Post by: john5479 on Aug 30, 2002 at 05:04 AM
They are both good for entry level, just don't expect a lot of power from them. They both sound good for stereo but for me the onkyo sounds better for movies. but..if you can get the denon 1602 up for bidding at 10 thou or even at around the 14k range, thats a great deal!
Title: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: arjohnperez on Sep 25, 2002 at 10:06 PM
guys,
pls. advice... i'm choosing between denon1602, onkyo tx-ds575x, yamaha 496. ano ba ang pinaka okay between the 3 receivers? im planning to use M73i speakers. ito yung price na nakuha ko: denon1602 (19k bnew), onkyo tx-ds575x (15k pero 2nd hand), yamaha 496 (13k pero 2nd hand).
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: levi on Sep 25, 2002 at 11:43 PM
Hi, welcome to PinoyDVD,

    I edited your title to accommodate all postings for receivers comparisons. Thank you


Levi
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Aylwin on Sep 26, 2002 at 08:08 PM
Hi,

Medyo mahirap mag-judge.  The models aren't exactly directly comparable.  For me, it's a choice between the Denon and the Onkyo (never been a big fan of Yamaha).

The 1602 has the advantage of being a newer model (Pro Logic II, for example).  However, I feel that it's a "lower" model compared to the 575X (494 dapat and katapat niya).

So, the 575X is supposedly a "higher" model (1802 and katapat niya) but it's an older model (595 na ngayon, diba?).  You'll just have to factor in how "used" that 575X is.

I think either receiver would perform well with the M73i so it all comes down to your preference for the sound.  To me, the 1602 sounds a bit warm and laid back while the 575X sounds brighter with a slightly more forward soundstage but more with detail.

Personally, I'd go for the 575X but that's mainly because I used to own one.  ;)  I was very happy with it and the only reason I replaced it is because it didn't have pre-outs.  Baka pwede ka pang tumawad sa presyo.

Anyway, I hope someone else gives another point of view.  Mine is somewhat biased towards the 575X.  ;D
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: listener on Sep 26, 2002 at 10:21 PM
arjohnperez

sa category nung 3 receiver na binigay mo halos pareho lang ang tunog nyang mga yan. sobrang liit ng difference ng sound quality sa entry level A/V receiver category. sa functions na lang sila magkakaiba. choose the one with the right combination of functions, power and sound.
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: arjohnperez on Sep 27, 2002 at 03:28 PM
thank you guys for your comments. isa na lang po. magkano ba dapat ang price nung onkyo575x? less than a year pa lang nagagamit and i know the owner. 15k ang asking nya, reasonable na ba yun or dapat tumawad pa ako?
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: dondon on Sep 27, 2002 at 03:39 PM
some denon and pioneer audio/video equip. pareho lang......
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Aylwin on Sep 27, 2002 at 06:46 PM
Hi arjohnperez,

Kung less than 1 year pa lang (under warranty pa) at kilala mo yung owner... plus, kung alam mong maganda pa ang condition niya... baka yung 575X nga and best option mo.

Unfortunately, hindi ako familiar sa prices dyan sa Pinas.  Magkano ba ang brand new?  Anyway, kung kilala mo nga yung owner at okay ang condition nung unit baka okay na rin ang asking price.  Of course, it's always nice to get a discount but if it's already a good offer...

I think I sold my 575X for around 15K (rough conversion to pesos) but I can't be sure.  Anyway, I bought it for around 22-25K (not very precise pero hindi ko masyado alam ang exchange rate).
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Jick on Sep 29, 2002 at 11:17 PM
guys,
pls. advice... i'm choosing between denon1602, onkyo tx-ds575x, yamaha 496. ano ba ang pinaka okay between the 3 receivers? im planning to use M73i speakers. ito yung price na nakuha ko: denon1602 (19k bnew), onkyo tx-ds575x (15k pero 2nd hand), yamaha 496 (13k pero 2nd hand).

Why not the Yamaha RXV430?  It's 15K too.  I saw the Denon 1602 and was not impressed with the remote.  The Yamaha has a very nice functional remote that is also a universal remote serving up to three components, so it takes care of my TV and DVD player as well.

I didn't much difference between the yamaha and denon in terms of sound.  I'm also not a big fan of most DSP modes. So in the end it just comes down to convenience and the Yamahas remote is one of the best stock remotes out there.

Jovi
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: shine on Sep 29, 2002 at 11:39 PM
agree with you Jick. One of the best nga ang remote nang yamaha, di sakit sa ulo. User friendly yet so powerfull. Yamaha RXV430 compared to denon 1602, sabi nila mas lamang daw ang denon sa music, pero sa yamaha naman kung sa Home theater but medyo walang naman masyadong pinagkaiba kung a music, mas maganda pa nga kasi angat siya dahil may DSP siya. Sa denon naman mas angat siya sa price compared sa yamaha around P3k+, sa porma...denon 1602 ako.
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: levi on Oct 14, 2002 at 12:00 AM
reposting for inox


I just went to Sight and Sounds Shangri-la and was told to go for a Denon AVR 484 instead of Yamaha RXV430 considering it's just a thousand peso more.  He also said that Yamaha is only good on their higher-end models, and that Yamaha is good for movies.  On the other side Onkyo is good in music audios.  While Denon is good on both of these...

Are all of these true?

Is the Denon AVR 484 the better deal?

I'm just starting up with a budgeted HT and a little help from any of you guys (expert or newbies alike) can go a long way.

Thanks.
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: shine on Oct 14, 2002 at 03:50 AM
Sa tingin ko ang counterpart nang yamaha rxv430 is the denon avr1602. Comparing the two, kailangan alam mo kung ano ang mas preferred mo kung music or movies. Kung all music ka, sabi nila mas maganda raw talaga ang Denon, kung sa movies ka naman mas lamang ka sa yamaha kasi may mga features na pang cinema talaga ang yamaha. Kung sabihin naman nating 50-50 sa music and movies, sabi naman sa megamall (i forgot the store) sa yamaha sila. definitely di masyadong nagkakalayo ang quality nang dalawa kasi iba-iba ang suggestion eh...
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: emm on Oct 16, 2002 at 04:41 PM
I'm just a newbie sa HT and i'm comparing Denon 1803, Yamaha 730 and Onkyo 700 for a B&W 600 series speakers, What do you think would be the best match?
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: levi on Oct 19, 2002 at 01:26 AM
Reposting for Tekgik,

   
ey guys,

im new in the HT world... I have a existing sony HT set-up with sony str-d435. The one im setting-up for now is for my room and i want it to be more detailed in setting-up an HT system. I was satisfied with my sony set-up but after i heard other set-up like a b&w with yamaha! Im amazed!

Back to my Q, i recently purchased a pioneer dv-355. And planning to add a receiver after a day/month (when the money comes =) ) Ive read about the yam 430 for its best in movie capabilities, But Im more concern in pure clean movie & music too! Others said that the onkyo's are good at this. So im choosing from this models:

onkyo txsr 500 or 600
yamaha rxv 430 or 530

ofcorse the higher the model the more budget probs. So i narrow it with the onk 500 & yam 430. And do you know a shop that sell it then accept paylite payent by citibank?

Thank You so much! And oh yeah! A heads up for the inventor of this site! Also the modz and ever patient members! :) :) :)
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: levi on Oct 19, 2002 at 01:27 AM
Reposting


If you want something that will be very good in music too, get the Onkyo. It's better than Yamaha IMHO. Tech Central in Makati Cinema Square is accepting Citibank Paylite, look for Amiel.  :)
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: levi on Oct 19, 2002 at 01:28 AM
Reposting


jhun,

tnx man! :) baka meron kang tel number nila para tawagan ko muna tungkol sa prices and availability, bago ako pumunta layo ko pa kase e

tnx agen!
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: greatbop on Oct 19, 2002 at 02:40 AM
emm>

which speakers are you looking at? kung bibilhin mo lang are yung mga bookshelfs, either 1803 or 1603 will do the job. But if you're getting 604s or 605s, you definitely wanna give 2803 or the upcoming 3803 a consideration.

dahil if you buy 605s tapos 1803 lang ang receiver mo, sayang lang ang binayad mo sa speakers mo. dahil it's not even gonna push 605s at all...
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: JhunDV on Oct 21, 2002 at 12:40 PM
Reposting

jhun,

tnx man! :) baka meron kang tel number nila para tawagan ko muna tungkol sa prices and availability, bago ako pumunta layo ko pa kase e

tnx agen!


tekgik - tech-central - makati cinema square=811-1668 - amiel  :)
Title: What receivers rivals those of Yamaha?
Post by: sgc_wdi on Dec 02, 2002 at 12:12 PM
I'm thinking of getting a new receiver. Was wondering, what brands would rival those of Yamahas? I'm particularly looking for the 630, or even the 1200. Are there cheaper alternatives that have basically the same feature set, and a good performer?
Title: Re:What receivers rivals those of Yamaha?
Post by: Courage on Dec 02, 2002 at 03:39 PM
Try mo Denon or Onkyo recievers
Title: Re:What receivers rivals those of Yamaha?
Post by: sgc_wdi on Dec 02, 2002 at 04:03 PM
do you know the specific models? are these cheaper?
Title: Re:What receivers rivals those of Yamaha?
Post by: john5479 on Dec 02, 2002 at 08:10 PM
also try marantz   :)
Title: Re:What receivers rivals those of Yamaha?
Post by: sillyputty on Dec 02, 2002 at 08:26 PM
for denon.... try 1803(DTS ES discrete)
for onkyo..... try sr600(DTS ES/DD EX discrete)
both are at around 24.5k

yamaha 630(23k) only has matrix versions of DTS and DD

for marantz...sr5200(DTS ES discrete).. di ko lang alam kung magkano....
 ;)

Title: Re:What receivers rivals those of Yamaha?
Post by: stradale on Dec 02, 2002 at 09:35 PM
When I was in the market for a receiver, I chose among the Denon 2802, Onkyo TXSR700, and the Yamaha RXV1200 which were more or less in the same price and feature level.  I could'nt find a 2802 that I could demo so yung dalawa na lang ang pinagpilian ko.  For my ears the Yamaha was better for HT (more presence) and I could'nt detect much difference for 2-channel stereo so I chose the Yammie over the Onkyo.

If I were you, I'd check out the Denon first especially if you are biased towards music.  I find the Yammie sound too up-front for music.  Gusto ko laid back and I heard Denons are more laid back than Yammies.  For HT though, you can't go wrong with Yammies.  
Title: Re:What receivers rivals those of Yamaha?
Post by: muscleboy on Dec 03, 2002 at 12:47 AM
I've demoed units from Denon, Yamaha, Onkyo, and a Harman Kardon. Though the differences in home theater use are more or less the same with most of them, I find the Harman Kardon receivers better in 2 channel (stereo) music..

just my 2 cents worth..

 ;D
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: sgc_wdi on Dec 03, 2002 at 02:18 PM
thanks guys... so the matrix version of Yamaha is sort of like an emulation only right? It's not really 6.1 discrete?
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: sgc_wdi on Dec 03, 2002 at 02:59 PM
Did a quick search, the Denon 1803 looks like it's cheaper than the Onkyo SR600. However, the Onkyo has a 192k DAC while the Denon only has 96k DAC.

What would you guys recommend if you were to choose between these two?
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: sillyputty on Dec 03, 2002 at 03:15 PM
onkyo. all 6.1 formats are covered, OSD pa.  ;)
Title: Re:What receivers rivals those of Yamaha?
Post by: tuff_u_gong on Dec 03, 2002 at 03:42 PM
for denon.... try 1803(DTS ES discrete)
for onkyo..... try sr600(DTS ES/DD EX discrete)
both are at around 24.5k

yamaha 630(23k) only has matrix versions of DTS and DD

for marantz...sr5200(DTS ES discrete).. di ko lang alam kung magkano....
 ;)



nice thing about the 630, though is that it has pre-outs that can be plugged to a separate amp if you think that 80wpc (or less) is not enough to drive power hungry speakers.
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: sgc_wdi on Dec 03, 2002 at 03:55 PM
onkyo. all 6.1 formats are covered, OSD pa.  ;)

I think the denon also covers all 6.1 formats... wala lang OSD. Isn't it that Onkyo's are more for Audio enthusiasts? I plan to use the receiver for movies. Would the Onkyo do?
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: v0elker on Dec 03, 2002 at 04:21 PM
although the Onkyos sound warmer than the Yams, the new onkyo receivers (heard a friend's tx-sr500) doesnt sound competent in HT. i gave him my marantz sr4200 when i left manila and he said it sounds better than his onkyo.

marantz or denon should be a safe bet, all-around performer in both HT and music.
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: sillyputty on Dec 03, 2002 at 05:41 PM
Please check. I think denon 1803 lacks DD EX decoding.
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: tuff_u_gong on Dec 04, 2002 at 10:36 AM
onkyo. all 6.1 formats are covered, OSD pa.  ;)

hi sillputty,

which is the most affordable ONKYO receiver model with a DTS 96/24 decoder and pre-outs?

thanks!
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: jojitb on Dec 04, 2002 at 11:12 AM
this link might be of use to some:

http://www.hometheaterforum.com/htforum/showthread.php?s=8c06072e5d9829aadbd3ec44ecb270c0&threadid=107960
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: sillyputty on Dec 04, 2002 at 01:11 PM
Please check. I think denon 1803 lacks DD EX decoding.

My mistake. Denon 1803 does decode DD EX. Just downloaded the pdf file.
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: sgc_wdi on Dec 04, 2002 at 02:48 PM
is there a big difference with a 192khz and a 96khz DAC? is it very noticeable?
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: caycski on Dec 04, 2002 at 04:51 PM
Guys,

How come no one among you recommend a "Pioneer" for HT/Audio receiver? Aint that good ba sya to be not  included among Onkyo, Denon & Yamaha.

I'm curious co'z I'm going to audition this coming sat VSX-D811S-S at Listening Room (Mega). Can you give me some more insights re: pioneer before it's too late.

Your opinions are very much welcome. Thanks.

caycski
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: john5479 on Dec 04, 2002 at 09:53 PM
the lower priced pioneers are ok for movies but not much for music listening, their flagship receiver though (vsx-49txi) is a different story :)
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: jazzyjayt on Dec 05, 2002 at 12:58 AM
what about harman kardon AR-1550?  i saw it at podium's soundroom (5th flr) going for around P18k, but they will give it at P16.1k cash.  50w output daw but i read from a website that 40w lang.  it handles DD, dts, and even DPL2 daw.

i told the guy that it's for a small room only, so he recommended the harman above, with a JBL SCS-138 5.1 set.  P16.2k cash.  parang mahina yung subwoofer na kasama: 100 watts RMS, 40-120hz, pero i couldnt feel any pounding when they played 'saving private ryan'.

any comments on either the harman or the 5.1 JBL?
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: john5479 on Dec 05, 2002 at 03:12 AM
the harman kardon is high current and i can attest to its musicality and yes it does use prologic II, but i think you might want to look elsewhere for the speakers, try getting speakers with relatively high sensitivity (89dB up).
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: jazzyjayt on Dec 05, 2002 at 08:22 AM
hi JOHN5479!  the JBL SCS 138 satellites sensitivity is rated at 86db, its center channel at 88db.  which brands/models would you recommend that's in the same price range (P15-16k, including active sub).  thanks!
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: sgc_wdi on Dec 05, 2002 at 10:35 AM
I did a search on the marantz sr4200 and 5200, wala atang component video in and out?
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: iceman90a on Dec 05, 2002 at 11:07 AM
I did a search on the marantz sr4200 and 5200, wala atang component video in and out?

nope the sr4200 is only capable of s-video and composite video switching
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: sgc_wdi on Dec 05, 2002 at 02:13 PM
yup thanks. So does this mean that getting a Denon 1803 or an Onkyo SR600 is more worth it that getting a Yamaha RXV1300?

I think the Denon and Onkyo sells for around 24+ whil ethe Yamaha 30+?
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: kurdapio on Dec 05, 2002 at 02:32 PM
Guys,
somebody posted this before but for this who want to compare receivers, here is a great resource page.. Take a look here:: Libre ito, wag na kayong mahiya...

http://www.hometheaterforum.com/htforum/showthread.php?s=8c06072e5d9829aadbd3ec44ecb270c0&threadid=107960
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: MeowPao on Dec 05, 2002 at 02:42 PM
I'd still go for a Yamaha 1300/2300. :)
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: sgc_wdi on Dec 05, 2002 at 03:31 PM
I'd still go for a Yamaha 1300/2300. :)

mind telling us why?
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: MeowPao on Dec 05, 2002 at 04:02 PM
I'd still go for a Yamaha 1300/2300. :)

mind telling us why?

192khz DACs; higher wattage than the models 1200,2200,3200; 2 zones; the number of I/O terminals, number of DSPs, the clean look.  :)
And with the 3300, it remembers different volume settings for different inputs, like say a different volume for DVDs and another for CDs.

Aside from the specs, I still have to see a major problem with Yamaha receivers.

Checking around, you'll see some brands with big problems with certain series.
As someone had told me when I was still a newbie: "if you want to be sure, get a Yamaha, di ka magkakamali dun".  :)

Are the models (1300,2300,3300) out yet locally?
Last I asked wala pa daw balita.  :-\
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: black power on Dec 05, 2002 at 05:15 PM
sgc,

i own a marantz 5200, yup wala nga siya component
video in/out.
but, i still enjoy the video component connection by
directly connecting my DVD to my TV which has
2 component video input.

Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: iceman90a on Dec 05, 2002 at 05:22 PM
sgc,

i own a marantz 5200, yup wala nga siya component
video in/out.
but, i still enjoy the video component connection by
directly connecting my DVD to my TV which has
2 component video input.



they say it's better that way. video switching on the avr should be a last resort if your display does not support multiple video in connections
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: sgc_wdi on Dec 05, 2002 at 08:35 PM
I see thanks guys... so what's the main difference between the 1200 and the 1300 yamahas?
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: MeowPao on Dec 05, 2002 at 09:52 PM
I see thanks guys... so what's the main difference between the 1200 and the 1300 yamahas?

These are the major differences that I know of:

RXV1200
80 watts, 96khz DAC, 2 buttons on front panel for input selection, 22 DSPs

RXV1300
100 watts, 192khz DAC, JOG dial on front panel for input selection , 25 DSPs

 :)
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: sgc_wdi on Dec 06, 2002 at 10:27 PM
MeowPao, thanks...

I guess for a smaller room ok na RXV1200...
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: D75C on Dec 10, 2002 at 04:56 AM
For the question regarding 192khz and 96khz DACs:

The more khz and more bits, the better the decoding for the audio soundtrack. The Clock (expressed in Khz) is the audio bandwidth and the amount of bits (20 or 24) is the audio resolution.

Going back to linear algebra, the bandwidth will be your x-axis, and the number of points along the y-axis is the resolution. The objective of the DAC is to convert those 0s and 1s into an analog waveform. The more points you plot in your graph, the smoother your audio signal will be.

DVD soundtracks whether dolby digital or DTS, are often 96-20. Super Audio CDs are the ones who really take advantage of the 192-24 resolution.

Check your player and your receiver if they can produce 192-24. Of course, this conversion is only possible when you use the digital outs of your system.
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: stradale on Dec 10, 2002 at 09:39 AM
MeowPao, thanks...

I guess for a smaller room ok na RXV1200...

Don't be misled by the 80-wpc RXV1200.  Yamaha rates the outputs of its AVR's closer to the truth than say a Denon or Onkyo.

To illustrate, the RXV1200 has a 360-watt power transformer. It takes a Denon 3802 (400-watts) to top that.  The power transformers of the 2802 (rated at 90-wpc) and 1802 (80-wpc) don't even come close.

Point is, the RXV1200 is more than enough even for sala sized rooms.
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: redkoji on Dec 11, 2002 at 04:24 PM
I know this is an off-shoot from your comparison.

Try mo Sherwood 6106...sells at P14,500. DTS, Dolby digital and Dolby Prologic 2.

Check-out mo na lang
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: sgc_wdi on Dec 14, 2002 at 11:10 AM
I just checked Michael's audio here in HK, the Onkyo SR600 sells for only 2780HK, around 19000+ only... The Denon 1803 sells at 3000+ more expensive... according to the guy I talked to, Denon is more expensive because of it's brand, but the Onkyo is a better performer. They didn't have Yamaha's, so I wasn't able to check how much.
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: john5479 on Dec 14, 2002 at 12:30 PM
yamaha is great for movies still i have not heard their newer models to comment on their audio capabilities compared to an marantz, NAD or harman kardon receiver.
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: jerix on Dec 26, 2002 at 07:41 AM
Guys,

How come no one among you recommend a "Pioneer" for HT/Audio receiver? Aint that good ba sya to be not  included among Onkyo, Denon & Yamaha.

I'm curious co'z I'm going to audition this coming sat VSX-D811S-S at Listening Room (Mega). Can you give me some more insights re: pioneer before it's too late.

Your opinions are very much welcome. Thanks.

caycski

i just purchased this tol for 21,999.00. this one is excellent its features are the ffg: 120 w x 6 at 8 ohms, DD-ex, DTS-es, with 7 speaker output very enveloping talaga ang sorround nya, with ability to extract signals from the R and L sorround channels and placing in the SBR and SBL channels,  all channels have pre-outs; meaning you can actually hooked it to a more powerful ampli should you want to use it for a real movie theater as big as theaters in sm siguro, its bass is very involving, but yet very crispy, dvd audio ready na sha with a 96/24 DAC.

my units are all pioneer and i got no qualms of recommending it. I think pre, with its price, this is the best model so far.  
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: DViant on Dec 26, 2002 at 09:18 PM
I'm eyeing the Onkyo TX-SR600 and I was wondering what other AVRs are comparable to it? Any idea how much the TX-SR600's going for these days? :)
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: DViant on Dec 26, 2002 at 09:41 PM
What receivers are comparable to the Onkyo TX-SR600? I've been reading extremely different opinions about this receiver. One side says it is very good while others say it is really bad so what's the beef and what are my alternatives?
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: stradale on Dec 26, 2002 at 09:57 PM
I was going to get that same receiver until I encountered the mixed reviews.  The power rating is overstated daw especially when using all 6-channels.  Still, it seems to be a good receiver for the money.

Price and featurewise, I think it is comparable to a Denon 1803.
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: DViant on Dec 26, 2002 at 10:34 PM
Specs-wise the Denon AVR-1803 looks competent enough but a bit too much for me. A bit too much in the sense that I dont need an amp for another room. Meron bang walang non-multiroom amp ang Denon with the same feature set? :)

Yamaha's RX-V630 looks good also on paper. Ditto on Marantz SR5200 but the lack of component video in/out plunges it down my list but how much is it?

What other brands are at the same feature level as the Onkyo TX-SR600?

We got the ff brands nailed down.

Onkyo
Marantz
Yamaha
Denon

Ano pa? Harman Kardon, NAD(?), Pioneer and...?
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: DViant on Dec 26, 2002 at 11:02 PM
onkyo. all 6.1 formats are covered, OSD pa.  ;)

I think the denon also covers all 6.1 formats... wala lang OSD. Isn't it that Onkyo's are more for Audio enthusiasts? I plan to use the receiver for movies. Would the Onkyo do?
Forgive the ignorance but what does OSD stand for and what is its function?
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: iceman90a on Dec 26, 2002 at 11:06 PM
Forgive the ignorance but what does OSD stand for and what is its function?

On Screen Display - you can see the AVR's menu on the tv screen as you set it up or make changes
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: DViant on Dec 26, 2002 at 11:14 PM
sgc,

i own a marantz 5200, yup wala nga siya component
video in/out.
but, i still enjoy the video component connection by
directly connecting my DVD to my TV which has
2 component video input.


If you don't mind saying how much did you get yours, when was that and from whom?
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: DViant on Dec 26, 2002 at 11:22 PM
Forgive the ignorance but what does OSD stand for and what is its function?

On Screen Display - you can see the AVR's menu on the tv screen as you set it up or make changes
TY :)
Title: 6.1 avr receivers
Post by: swordfish on Dec 30, 2002 at 08:30 AM
hi guys! just like to inquire if you could give me suggestions on who gives best rating between denon avr-1803 or yamaha rxv-730.
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: dexterc on Jan 17, 2003 at 02:39 PM
I'd still go for a Yamaha 1300/2300. :)

mind telling us why?

192khz DACs; higher wattage than the models 1200,2200,3200; 2 zones; the number of I/O terminals, number of DSPs, the clean look.  :)
And with the 3300, it remembers different volume settings for different inputs, like say a different volume for DVDs and another for CDs.

Aside from the specs, I still have to see a major problem with Yamaha receivers.

Checking around, you'll see some brands with big problems with certain series.
As someone had told me when I was still a newbie: "if you want to be sure, get a Yamaha, di ka magkakamali dun".  :)

Are the models (1300,2300,3300) out yet locally?
Last I asked wala pa daw balita.  :-\


Available na tong mga to..nakita ko sa Park square 1.. :P :P
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Machine on Jan 17, 2003 at 04:04 PM
Considering the price range, I suggest you audition the ff. brand new models at Spectra in Parksquare:

1. Denon AVR-1603 at P18.5T
2. Yamaha RX-V430 at P15.0T
3. Harman Kardon AVR 1550 at P16.0T

I personally use the Denon and I'm very happy with it, clean and rich sound.  A friend of mine has the Yamaha and it sounds great too, natural and powerful.  I heard the Harman Kardon only recently and it sounded great with Mission speakers, rich and warm (I understand you will be matching them with Missions).  It depends on your taste and what you'll be using them for.  If you're more into movies, get the Yamaha.  If you're more into music/concerts, choose between the Denon and the Harman Kardon.
Title: Re:6.1 avr receivers
Post by: bunkieboy on Jan 17, 2003 at 04:14 PM
hi guys! just like to inquire if you could give me suggestions on who gives best rating between denon avr-1803 or yamaha rxv-730.

both are good receivers. never used a yamy so i would say get the denon. just got mine last october and am very satisfied with it
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: sillyputty on Jan 17, 2003 at 05:50 PM
Can someone confirm the multiroom function for the asian models? It is listed in the pdf from denon usa but not on denon asia.  ???
Title: Re:6.1 avr receivers
Post by: swordfish on Jan 18, 2003 at 07:43 AM
hi guys! just like to inquire if you could give me suggestions on who gives best rating between denon avr-1803 or yamaha rxv-730.

both are good receivers. never used a yamy so i would say get the denon. just got mine last october and am very satisfied with it
Title: Re:6.1 avr receivers
Post by: swordfish on Jan 18, 2003 at 07:50 AM

both are good receivers. never used a yamy so i would say get the denon. just got mine last october and am very satisfied with it

tnx man, ifinally decided to get the denon 1803, price wise yamaha 730 is much more expensive and dts-es compatible lang sya, while the denon 1803 is 6.1 discreet. i demo both unit and both sounded great in movies more or less. and most importantly it match my b&w 601s2 speakers.
Title: Re:6.1 avr receivers
Post by: bunkieboy on Jan 19, 2003 at 12:57 AM

both are good receivers. never used a yamy so i would say get the denon. just got mine last october and am very satisfied with it

tnx man, ifinally decided to get the denon 1803, price wise yamaha 730 is much more expensive and dts-es compatible lang sya, while the denon 1803 is 6.1 discreet. i demo both unit and both sounded great in movies more or less. and most importantly it match my b&w 601s2 speakers.

a wise buy indeed. i also considered getting the 1803 when i was setting up my ht, but it wasnt out yet then. you are definiety getting your money's worth with the 1803
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: swordfish on Jan 19, 2003 at 07:53 AM
bunkieboy, youve been experiencing (dts-es) 6.1 music effects since october pa pala. any comments in comparison with 5.1 effects? and give tips on what dvd title  kind give the best 6.1 effects.  ;)  
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: bunkieboy on Jan 22, 2003 at 02:20 PM
bunkieboy, youve been experiencing (dts-es) 6.1 music effects since october pa pala. any comments in comparison with 5.1 effects? and give tips on what dvd title  kind give the best 6.1 effects.  ;)  

you probably already have these, but i would suggest the following for EX or ES effects.

the starwars movies
U571
lotr
gladiator (R1)
T2
Blade 2
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: swordfish on Jan 25, 2003 at 07:50 AM
thanks man ! i'll try to check out those titles i dont have.
Title: denon 1403 vs harman kardon 125
Post by: bigbird2323 on Jan 25, 2003 at 03:19 PM
which is the better between the two,any comments?btw the denon is  16400 while the hk is  15120.
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: warpzone on Jan 25, 2003 at 06:36 PM
6.1/7.1 is now becoming a standard... buti na lang 6.1 na ang nabili kong amp  :D
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: bunkieboy on Jan 30, 2003 at 11:54 PM
6.1/7.1 is now becoming a standard... buti na lang 6.1 na ang nabili kong amp  :D

same here  ;D
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: bundy on Jan 31, 2003 at 12:14 PM
Hi.  I'm just beginning to put together my HT.  Been doing a lot of research, looking around and a little testing.  I have to save up first, but I'm looking for an in-between reciever.  Something that plays good music and good HT.  I've tried out the Onkyo SR600 and the Yamaha RXV-630.  Yamaha sounds really good for movies cuz its nice and bright, but hurts on the ears when you listen to music.  The Onkyo on the other hand sounds better for music as its a bit warmer or neutral.  I haven't tested the Denon 1803 yet though.  

I was wondering if any of you have comments about the Onkyo SR700.  Also if you have any comments about the Onkyo SR600 against the Denon 1803.
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: emm on Jan 31, 2003 at 12:47 PM
bundy,

When i'm trying to set up my HT i compared SR600, SR700, Denon 1603(1803 is not yet available that time) and RXV630. I go with SR700 because it is more warm on music and higher power which gives more punch to movies. My preference is 50/50 music/movies. I think you also have to consider your speakers(sensitivity) if they match with your receiver(power output-watts). But, these are just technical specification. What is important is the sound that comes out from the total system that fits your own preference. Take time to test the whole system side by side with your other choices. From there you will be able to decide what you like.
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: warpzone on Jan 31, 2003 at 01:33 PM
SR700 is the best from the choices that emm mentioned... of course, it is also the most expensive... but if you have dough to spend, spend it on SR800 or NR900....  :D
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Philander on Feb 02, 2003 at 02:40 AM
Try also the Harman Kardon Receivers.
H/K 2550
H/K 3500
H/K 3550
H/K 4500
H/K 5500
H/K 7500
H/K 8500
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: bundy on Feb 02, 2003 at 02:55 PM
Hey emm, thanks for the sound advice.  I will consider that when I'm looking around.  I'm actually leaning towards the SR700 cuz it puts a premium on music with the Pure Audio function.  I'm also planning to setup my system as a 50/50 movies and music.  Thanks for all the other suggestions too people.  I'll be taking a lot of time to really research this and get what suits my needs the best.
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: bunkieboy on Feb 02, 2003 at 11:51 PM
Hi.  I'm just beginning to put together my HT.  Been doing a lot of research, looking around and a little testing.  I have to save up first, but I'm looking for an in-between reciever.  Something that plays good music and good HT.  I've tried out the Onkyo SR600 and the Yamaha RXV-630.  Yamaha sounds really good for movies cuz its nice and bright, but hurts on the ears when you listen to music.  The Onkyo on the other hand sounds better for music as its a bit warmer or neutral.  I haven't tested the Denon 1803 yet though.  

I was wondering if any of you have comments about the Onkyo SR700.  Also if you have any comments about the Onkyo SR600 against the Denon 1803.

checkout the denon thread. a lot of good reviews on the 1803
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Courage on Feb 03, 2003 at 10:31 AM
Which is better Denon 1803 or Yamaha 1300...yamaha is 10k more than the denon
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: MeowPao on Feb 03, 2003 at 10:43 AM
Which is better Denon 1803 or Yamaha 1300...yamaha is 10k more than the denon

I think ang katapat ng Yamaha 1200/1300 is the Denon 2802 (2803 may be coming out in a few months).

Yung 1803 is probably equivalent to the 730 series of the Yamaha. :)
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: dexterc on Feb 03, 2003 at 10:46 AM
730 or 1803?
1. Price
2. Performance in HT  i am not really inclined into music
3. does 730 supports dts es and dd ex?
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Courage on Feb 03, 2003 at 10:55 AM
dex,
 
yung 730 kasi eh DTS ES Compatible lang eh. Ang mahal naman nung 2802 nang Denon eh
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: dexterc on Feb 03, 2003 at 11:58 AM
dex,
 
yung 730 kasi eh DTS ES Compatible lang eh. Ang mahal naman nung 2802 nang Denon eh

ah ok... ??? 1803 seems to be on the money..audition na lang natin bro
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Courage on Feb 03, 2003 at 01:06 PM
dex,
 
yung 730 kasi eh DTS ES Compatible lang eh. Ang mahal naman nung 2802 nang Denon eh

ah ok... ??? 1803 seems to be on the money..audition na lang natin bro

Ganun na nga ehehehe
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: sillyputty on Feb 03, 2003 at 07:22 PM
marantz sr5200 is also on the 23-26k price range ata.
may preouts pa..
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Courage on Feb 04, 2003 at 09:40 AM
marantz sr5200 is also on the 23-26k price range ata.
may preouts pa..

Is dis DTS-ES already or DTS-ES Compatible only?
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Skabyol on Feb 04, 2003 at 01:17 PM
Courage,
DTS-ES Compatible (Matrixed) lang yung Marantz SR5200. I think the newer model SR5300 is already DTS-ES Discrete na.

Skabyol

Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: dexterc on Feb 04, 2003 at 01:28 PM
Whats the difference between..dts-es, compatible,matrixed and discrete?  :(
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: sillyputty on Feb 04, 2003 at 01:31 PM
i think dts es compatible and matrixed is the same. discrete has the SRB encoded as opposed to matrixed.
May DTS ES NEO(for music) pa...all of them is under DTS-ES.
someone correct me if I'm wrong
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Courage on Feb 04, 2003 at 01:43 PM
Kaya walang logo nang DTS-ES yung marantz and yamaha 730 kasi DTS-ES compatible lang sya and hindi True na DTS-ES....I think only those Amp. that has the DTS-ES logo is true DTS-ES..yung iba eh Matrix or Compatible lang :)
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: slowhand on Feb 04, 2003 at 09:55 PM
Where would you guys recommend shopping for Marantz or Onkyo receivers?
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Courage on Feb 05, 2003 at 09:13 AM
slowhand,

Electronic depot will be having stocks of marantz probably by next week..yun ang sabi nila sa akin nung sunday when i visited their store sa festival mall...sabi nila theyll give discount on pinoydvd members....look for alex...he's a nice guy.

hope this helps ;D
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: bunkieboy on Feb 05, 2003 at 02:50 PM
Whats the difference between..dts-es, compatible,matrixed and discrete?  :(

my understanding is that if the amp is compatible, you will need an extra amp for the surround backs

for matrixed, the surround backs will just emit the same sound as the rear speakers.

when its discrete, sound emitted by the surround backs is an entirely different channel from that of the rears.

Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: dexterc on Feb 05, 2003 at 03:59 PM
Whats the difference between..dts-es, compatible,matrixed and discrete?  :(

my understanding is that if the amp is compatible, you will need an extra amp for the surround backs

for matrixed, the surround backs will just emit the same sound as the rear speakers.

when its discrete, sound emitted by the surround backs is an entirely different channel from that of the rears.




Thanks bunkieboy.. ;D
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: bunkieboy on Feb 05, 2003 at 05:07 PM
dex,

tanong mo rin sa iba, baka mali ang pinagsasabi ko ;)
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: slowhand on Feb 05, 2003 at 05:51 PM
slowhand,

Electronic depot will be having stocks of marantz probably by next week..yun ang sabi nila sa akin nung sunday when i visited their store sa festival mall...sabi nila theyll give discount on pinoydvd members....look for alex...he's a nice guy.

hope this helps ;D

Thanks bro. Pagka kasi hindi umabot ang budget para sa separates, I might go power amp first, coupled with receiver.
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: swordfish on Feb 08, 2003 at 06:56 AM
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Which is better Denon 1803 or Yamaha 1300...yamaha is 10k more than the denon
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courage,
i ask the same question a month ago while im shopping for a receiver. anyways, i got the denon 1803 because its very reasonable, the wattage is just right for my speakers and room size, dte-es discreet na sya for its price, lastly denon's technology has been getting good reveiws lately. so you might consider this suggestions and let your ears decide
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: nerveblocker on Feb 08, 2003 at 06:52 PM
Go with the Kenwood KRF-9060D(US counterpart VR-6070) for price (P25k) and features!

Boasting Lucasfilm Ltd.'s coveted THX® Select certification, the VR-6070 has the power, the processing, and the audio purity necessary for truly outstanding home theater performance. Packing 100 full-bandwidth-rated watts x 6 channels of dynamic Kenwood power and three 6.1-channel decoding formats &#8212; THX® Surround EX, Dolby® Digital, and DTS-ES® &#8212; this receiver delivers incredibly convincing, three-dimensional soundscapes that totally immerse you in the movie action!

Multi-zone A/V output lets you enjoy any audio or A/V source in two rooms simultaneously. (An amplifier, receiver, shelf system, or powered speakers are required in the second room.) The convenient remote has RF capability, so you can control your system from either listening room. It's also pre-programmed to operate the basic functions of most brands of A/V gear, and you can even teach it your gear's more esoteric features using the original remotes of each component.

All of the VR-6070's surround decoding &#8212; which also includes Dolby Pro Logic II &#8212; is handled by a super-precise 32-bit Analog Devices processor. You also get Kenwood's Circle Surround II modes, which let you transform any audio or A/V source into 6.1-channel sound. Five audio DSP modes let you enhance any music source with the ambience of your choice.

The VR-6070 also sports impressive array of inputs for all your A/V sources, including 4 digital inputs, an optical output, 2 component video inputs, 5 A/V inputs (all with S-video), and a 5.1-channel analog input for a DVD-Audio or SACD player. For system expandability down the road, you also get a 7.1-channel preamp output.

Key Features:

THX Select certification
100 watts x 6 into 8 ohms (20-20,000 Hz) at 0.7% THD
THX Surround EX, Dolby Digital EX, DTS, and Pro Logic II
multi-zone A/V capability (preamp-level stereo audio and composite video output for second room)
5 audio DSP modes (Arena, Theater, Jazz Club, Stadium, Disco)
Circle Surround II modes
2-stage Midnight Theater mode
24-bit DSP, D/A and A/D converters
learning/multibrand RF/IR remote with joystick control
7.1-channel preamp output
component video switching (2 in, 1 out, 10MHz bandwidth)
digital inputs: 2 optical, 2 coaxial
digital outputs: 1 optical
3 audio inputs (including phono), and 5 A/V inputs (including 5 S-video, 1 front-panel and one 5.1-channel)
anti-resonant aluminum front panel
40 AM/FM presets
2 sets of main speaker outputs
banana plug-compatible binding posts for all main-room speakers
17-5/16"W x 6-5/16"H x 16"D

For reviews:

http://audioreview.com/PRD_135050_2718crx.aspx#reviews

Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Courage on Feb 10, 2003 at 10:27 AM
What receivers can be compared with the Denon 1803(marantz, Yamaha, Harman Kardon, Onkyo etc etc) ..and also baka alam nyo yung price paki indicate na rin. tenks ;D
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: dexterc on Feb 10, 2003 at 10:30 AM
Bro,
 Di ka na talaga mapakali he!!he!!
Additional criteria sa comparison

Price Range
Power
Features

Thanks
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Courage on Feb 10, 2003 at 10:34 AM
Bro,
 Di ka na talaga mapakali he!!he!!
Additional criteria sa comparison

Price Range
Power
Features

Thanks

Talagang di mapakali ehehehehe.....langyang sakit to kakainis.....bukod pa ang sakit nang katawan na ibibigay ni esmi ehehehe
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Titanium on Feb 10, 2003 at 10:59 AM
question lang po.

May phono input ba denon 1803? Can you directly plug a turn table , play LP's and hear the sounds from the speakers?
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: toyks on Feb 10, 2003 at 03:42 PM
hello,

actually ive already asked this question on the DENON thread but i'll ask this once again...

can anyone give me a "convincing" reason why should I choose a DENON receiver over yamaha?

thanks alot... tsaka pala, anong katumbas na model ng yamaha ax2300 sa denon? thanks again! :)
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: MeowPao on Feb 10, 2003 at 04:27 PM

The nearest model of the Denon that's similar to the Yamaha RXV2300 would probably be the Denon 3803 (except that the Denon is 7.1).  :)
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: levi on Feb 10, 2003 at 09:34 PM
question lang po.

May phono input ba denon 1803? Can you directly plug a turn table , play LP's and hear the sounds from the speakers?

Yes.
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: nerveblocker on Feb 10, 2003 at 10:43 PM
hello,

actually ive already asked this question on the DENON thread but i'll ask this once again...

can anyone give me a "convincing" reason why should I choose a DENON receiver over yamaha?

thanks alot... tsaka pala, anong katumbas na model ng yamaha ax2300 sa denon? thanks again! :)

Try to audition both in 2 channel stereo and hear the difference....then decide which is better....

This is just me being a denon owner....this receiver really gives you your money's worth paired with the right speakers ;D
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: john5479 on Feb 11, 2003 at 12:01 AM
yammies sound a liitle harsh compared to denons, even if you use the yammies as a preamp only and use an amp like rotel. These are for the lower end models though i haven't heard the flagship yet.
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: ants on Feb 11, 2003 at 12:33 AM
hello,

actually ive already asked this question on the DENON thread but i'll ask this once again...

can anyone give me a "convincing" reason why should I choose a DENON receiver over yamaha?

thanks alot... tsaka pala, anong katumbas na model ng yamaha ax2300 sa denon? thanks again! :)

Try to audition both in 2 channel stereo and hear the difference....then decide which is better....

This is just me being a denon owner....this receiver really gives you your money's worth paired with the right speakers ;D

good advice...

listen to them in 2 channel mode..try a reference CD or a good DVD test disc.

tapos test mo all out..

When I bought my receiver, parang SHOOT-OUT...i went with HK
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: toyks on Feb 11, 2003 at 07:41 AM
thanks guys!... too bad im in japan right now, walang auditioning sa mga stores na malapit dito sa amin... unlike sa place ni killer... >:(

anyway, how much is the denon 3803 dyan sa atin? para naman ma-compare ko yung price...

thanks again!  ;D
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: sillyputty on Feb 11, 2003 at 12:56 PM
hello,

actually ive already asked this question on the DENON thread but i'll ask this once again...

can anyone give me a "convincing" reason why should I choose a DENON receiver over yamaha?

thanks alot... tsaka pala, anong katumbas na model ng yamaha ax2300 sa denon? thanks again! :)

Try to audition both in 2 channel stereo and hear the difference....then decide which is better....

This is just me being a denon owner....this receiver really gives you your money's worth paired with the right speakers ;D


Nirv... have you found the right speakers for the 1803? care to share what they are?
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: bundy on Feb 11, 2003 at 05:20 PM
Hi.  

I've been doing some research on recievers and NAD has a new model out, the T752.  You guys have any comments on NAD.  I'm looking at the Denon 2803, Onkyo SR700, and the NAD.  I'm planning to complete my system slowly but with the best components I can afford.  I wanna go 50/50 music and movies.

Thanks for the comments.  :)
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: bundy on Feb 11, 2003 at 05:23 PM
sorry... Denon 2802 pala.  Di pa lumalabas ang 2803.  But if it does, I'm planning to look into it too.  Nag-iipon pa naman eh.  :)
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: v0elker on Feb 11, 2003 at 07:39 PM
The T752 is a nice little receiver and in terms of sound quality, should trump the others you mentioned. One thing though, when the fan comes on (once every 2-3 hours of continous use, for not more than 1.5mins each time) during quiet passages, ur gonna hear it as the fan is a bit loud. ive read a lot of posts about this on the web and i confirmed it when i passed by one of the shops here that had 'em. they told me its been on for quite some time kasi meron mga nag-audition. pero sandali lang naman and i dont think itll be that bothersome.

I'm also keen on this model but I'm waiting for the T762 to come out so I can compare.

Hi.  

I've been doing some research on recievers and NAD has a new model out, the T752.  You guys have any comments on NAD.  I'm looking at the Denon 2803, Onkyo SR700, and the NAD.  I'm planning to complete my system slowly but with the best components I can afford.  I wanna go 50/50 music and movies.

Thanks for the comments.  :)
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: symon on Feb 11, 2003 at 07:43 PM
How about Harman Kardon? I'm really interested with the HK 2550. How do you guys compare HK with the other receivers?
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: v0elker on Feb 11, 2003 at 07:48 PM
good thing about NAD (as well as Rotel and other good brands) is that they qoute specifications conservatively.

like when they say, "80watts per channel", they really mean continous 80watts per channel driven even under the worst possible conditions. you can even use them to drive low impedance speakers like the dynaudios or magnepans. whereas most manufacturers are too optomistic when they qoute their power ratings and most often fall short delivering the goods in actual practice.

btw, in the dec issue of sound&vision mag, they stated that during their tests, the T752 actually delivered 92watts per channel. talk about conservative. :-D
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: nerveblocker on Feb 12, 2003 at 12:02 AM
hello,

actually ive already asked this question on the DENON thread but i'll ask this once again...

can anyone give me a "convincing" reason why should I choose a DENON receiver over yamaha?

thanks alot... tsaka pala, anong katumbas na model ng yamaha ax2300 sa denon? thanks again! :)




Nirv... have you found the right speakers for the 1803? care to share what they are?

I had floorstanding front speakers custom made to match with my Denon.   ;)

You can always try other speakers like Mission or B & W to match your taste and your receiver.  
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: bundy on Feb 12, 2003 at 07:55 AM
v0elker,

thats pretty much what I read on the NAD too.  Thats why I got interested in them.  I already did some asking around here and the model isn't available yet locally.  They say maybe next month or something.  I can't audition them yet so as of now, your review will have to tide me over.  At the rate I'm going, it'll take me forever to put a system together cuz I keep on postponing other components so that I can get better stuff.  Its a vicious cycle.  Hehehe  :)
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: toyks on Feb 12, 2003 at 09:57 AM
hey guys,

need some help... which do you think is the best among these receivers?... yamaha, denon, onkyo

thanks!
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Philander on Feb 12, 2003 at 10:46 AM
How about Harman Kardon? I'm really interested with the HK 2550. How do you guys compare HK with the other receivers?

Read this:

http://www.home-entertainment.co.uk/grouptest_read.asp?GroupID=2363&ArticleID=2361
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Philander on Feb 12, 2003 at 10:46 AM
hey guys,

need some help... which do you think is the best among these receivers?... yamaha, denon, onkyo

thanks!

Same Price Range:

Denon and Harman Kardon
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: v0elker on Feb 12, 2003 at 11:08 AM
good things come to those who wait, hehe. i reckon ill be getting my NAD (either t752 or t762) by first week o march. mar pa daw kasi labas yung t762 and i wanna compare just to be sure i get the right one. ill write my impressions as soon as i have it.

i believe there are a number of forumers here who own NAD receivers, so far ive heard nothing but praises for their eqpt in terms of sound quality. btw, u might come across posts re: questionable build quality in some NAD gear, specially in the U.S. so it might be worthwhile to get it from an authorized dealer just in case it breaks down.

when i was shopping for a nice receiver, one of the other brands i looked at was rotel. they're another great brand and the receiver i tried was really nice, albeit at a higher price.


v0elker,

thats pretty much what I read on the NAD too.  Thats why I got interested in them.  I already did some asking around here and the model isn't available yet locally.  They say maybe next month or something.  I can't audition them yet so as of now, your review will have to tide me over.  At the rate I'm going, it'll take me forever to put a system together cuz I keep on postponing other components so that I can get better stuff.  Its a vicious cycle.  Hehehe  :)
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Dracula on Feb 12, 2003 at 01:07 PM
How about Harman Kardon? I'm really interested with the HK 2550. How do you guys compare HK with the other receivers?

I auditioned the hk receivers great sound the logic 7 chip really gives it the edge pretty good for music as well as movies but the guy at the store says that denon is sllightly better for movies.  But I like the harman i'm saving up for it na nga eh.  It also has a better look than the denon real smooth and shiny black.  going to pair it with the jbl scs 178.  My friend says you can't go wrong with either the hk 2550 or the denon 1603 but if you have the budget you can always go for the higher models which have dts-es and dd-ex.
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Courage on Feb 12, 2003 at 02:16 PM
How about Denon 1803 and Onkyo TX-SR600..pareho sila nang features eh..and also same price range. Which is better kaya?
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Dracula on Feb 12, 2003 at 03:01 PM
How about Denon 1803 and Onkyo TX-SR600..pareho sila nang features eh..and also same price range. Which is better kaya?

Bro

between the two parang mas maganda yung denon kasi i've heard that the onkyo suffers from clipping (thats the word the guy used) although don't know if this is entirely true kasi haven't experienced it first hand.
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Courage on Feb 12, 2003 at 03:19 PM
Tenks dracula. Baka may comment pa yung iba
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: dr_dohh on Feb 12, 2003 at 03:55 PM
hey everyone,

if you're really serious about getting a receiver, sound & vision just came out with a 2003 buyer's guide. It's really helpful and they give out tips to those who are new to this hobby. Good thing about it is yung mga affordable equipment naka-list down along with the higher end models, so at least you know what you're missing in terms of input/output, how many channels, features, and stuff like that. the only challenge is identifying which ones are available here in the philippines and those which aren't. They also have prices for speakers, tuners, cd players, tvs, projectors, and whatever else you can think of.

Ok, yun lang! ;D
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: bundy on Feb 12, 2003 at 04:55 PM
thanks for all the advice.   :)  I can't wait for the NAD t752 to come out here.  I really wanna check them out already.  I just hope they don't cost too much.
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: toyks on Feb 12, 2003 at 04:58 PM
dr_dohh,

thanks for the info... is the buyer's guide that ur talking about available thru the net? can u give us the site if it's in the net... thanks again!
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Uchie on Feb 13, 2003 at 12:35 AM
How about Harman Kardon? I'm really interested with the HK 2550. How do you guys compare HK with the other receivers?

I auditioned the hk receivers great sound the logic 7 chip really gives it the edge pretty good for music as well as movies but the guy at the store says that denon is sllightly better for movies.  But I like the harman i'm saving up for it na nga eh.  It also has a better look than the denon real smooth and shiny black.  going to pair it with the jbl scs 178.  My friend says you can't go wrong with either the hk 2550 or the denon 1603 but if you have the budget you can always go for the higher models which have dts-es and dd-ex.

Dude we bought an HK 3550 nung monday, it really has a better look than the others, smooth and shiny black. Then we pair it with a jbl scs 178 ganda pare ayoko na nga matulog eh gusto ko manood nalang :o
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: greatbop on Feb 13, 2003 at 03:15 AM
unless you auditioned the HKs against the Denon using your set of speakers... you did not really 'auditioned' them properly... Pero speaking from experience... and from what most enthusiasts has told me... mas solid ang amplifier ng denon... And I think for powering receivers, amplification should come first - then features.




I auditioned the hk receivers great sound the logic 7 chip really gives it the edge pretty good for music as well as movies but the guy at the store says that denon is sllightly better for movies.  But I like the harman i'm saving up for it na nga eh.  It also has a better look than the denon real smooth and shiny black.  going to pair it with the jbl scs 178.  My friend says you can't go wrong with either the hk 2550 or the denon 1603 but if you have the budget you can always go for the higher models which have dts-es and dd-ex.
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Dracula on Feb 13, 2003 at 09:00 AM
unless you auditioned the HKs against the Denon using your set of speakers... you did not really 'auditioned' them properly... Pero speaking from experience... and from what most enthusiasts has told me... mas solid ang amplifier ng denon... And I think for powering receivers, amplification should come first - then features.




I auditioned the hk receivers great sound the logic 7 chip really gives it the edge pretty good for music as well as movies but the guy at the store says that denon is sllightly better for movies.  But I like the harman i'm saving up for it na nga eh.  It also has a better look than the denon real smooth and shiny black.  going to pair it with the jbl scs 178.  My friend says you can't go wrong with either the hk 2550 or the denon 1603 but if you have the budget you can always go for the higher models which have dts-es and dd-ex.

Actually i did i asked the store owner to hook up the denon after the harman kardon to the same set of JBL speakers.......maganda naman yung sound ng denon i just preferred the harman over it.  Don't have any technical explanation i guess my ears just like the sound ;D (Hiyang!) nakks parang commercial ;D
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: dr_dohh on Feb 13, 2003 at 10:33 AM
dr_dohh,

thanks for the info... is the buyer's guide that ur talking about available thru the net? can u give us the site if it's in the net... thanks again!

I got it from CAcomm, that magazine store. I'm sure there's still a lot of those left. hanggang march pa yung display date nun e. ALthough its P380.00. But that's a small price to pay if you're willing to invest such a huge sum of money for av equipment! :)
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: v0elker on Feb 13, 2003 at 10:36 AM
just to give u an idea, the T752 here costs anywhere from 27k-29k (inclusive of govt sales tax), depending on how much discount u can get. take note that the SRP here is much lower than the one in the US.

hopefully, the prices in manila wouldnt be that far off.

thanks for all the advice.   :)  I can't wait for the NAD t752 to come out here.  I really wanna check them out already.  I just hope they don't cost too much.
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: bundy on Feb 13, 2003 at 11:03 AM
where are you located?  Thats a pretty good price compared to what I saw on the net for US prices.  Last I checked here in Manila, the T741 was going for around 23k.  Thats a pretty good price you have there.
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: v0elker on Feb 13, 2003 at 11:38 AM
im here in singapore. actually i was pleasantly surprised when i heard about it. apparently, there are certain brands here which have much lower MSRP than they do in the US.

when i checked the distributor in malaysia, theirs were much closer to the US MSRP.

where are you located?  Thats a pretty good price compared to what I saw on the net for US prices.  Last I checked here in Manila, the T741 was going for around 23k.  Thats a pretty good price you have there.
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: bundy on Feb 13, 2003 at 11:54 AM
I hope its as cheap here as it is there...  If not... Singapore isn't too far away and maybe someone I know goes there I can ask them to get it for me.  I hope one of my friends goes there soon..  your price there is really within reach.
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: stradale on Feb 13, 2003 at 01:16 PM
Voelker,

There's a shop at Sim Lim Sq. (grnd floor) that sells the NAD T752 for S$850 or around 25K.  And yep, wala pa daw nung T762.
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: v0elker on Feb 13, 2003 at 03:52 PM
really? grabe, last tanong ko dec lang. bilis naman baba! well, that's how it is around here.

yeah, that shop's probably alpha audio, sila lang matinong authorized dealer ng nad dito. yung merdeka (also at sls), authorized din,  kaso madalas lumang models benta nila.

kamusta pala visit mo pre? di mo ko ni-contact ah! hehehe, just kidding. nakabili ka ba ng nad?

Voelker,

There's a shop at Sim Lim Sq. (grnd floor) that sells the NAD T752 for S$850 or around 25K.  And yep, wala pa daw nung T762.
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: stradale on Feb 13, 2003 at 05:14 PM
Gong xi fa cai, pre.  Na-tiempong Chinese new year ang visit ko sa Sing. kaya most of the shops (esp. sa Adelphi) were closed.  But still I was able to cram a day looking for hi-fi stuff. I got a pair of Sennheiser headphones but deferred the NAD.

I sent you an SMS pero di mo cguro na-receive.  OK naman yung window shopping ko  ;) (lupit nung hi-fi goods sa adelphi - revel, bel canto, yba, mark levinson, cary, and a lot of never heard of but exotic looking gear).
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: v0elker on Feb 13, 2003 at 05:25 PM
hehe, gong xi fa cai! tama ka, wala nga akong nakuhang sms. sayang nakasama sana ko.

anyway, ur right, kakagulat nga nung first time ko sa adelphi. yung mga extremely expensive brands i only read about are available there. and the surprising thing is, a lot of ppl are actually buying them, haha, lakas ng spending power nila.

pero weird ha, nagrereklamo pa sila. some locals i know are lamenting the fact that some american brands are not readily available here. so they resort to buying stuff from the us and paying hefty fees to have them shipped here. yung isa nga bibili na daw sya ng rocket speakers mid o this year and he's paying about 1000 (forgot kung USD or SGD) just to have them shipped. whewww.
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Courage on Feb 15, 2003 at 11:54 AM
Norrowed down my Upgrade choices pls help me choose on the following.

Yamaha RXV1300 100 watts X 6 192kHz/24-bit DAC
Denon 1803 80 watts X 6             96kHz/24-bit DACs
Onkyo TX-SR600 80 watts X 6     192kHz/24-bit DAC
Onkyo TX-SR700 100 watts X 6   192kHz/24-bit DAC

192kHz/24-bit DAC<--- para saan to
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: greatbop on Feb 15, 2003 at 12:02 PM
for DVD-Audio/ DTS audio.. some DVD-As and DTS audios have that high bit rate.

Only Denons that has that feature will be the soon to come 2803 and above..

Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: nerveblocker on Feb 15, 2003 at 05:06 PM
Norrowed down my Upgrade choices pls help me choose on the following.

Yamaha RXV1300 100 watts X 6 192kHz/24-bit DAC
Denon 1803 80 watts X 6             96kHz/24-bit DACs
Onkyo TX-SR600 80 watts X 6     192kHz/24-bit DAC
Onkyo TX-SR700 100 watts X 6   192kHz/24-bit DAC

192kHz/24-bit DAC<--- para saan to

With the chioces you have there, I'll go for the Onkyo TXSR700 ;)
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: emm on Feb 17, 2003 at 07:47 AM
Courage,

I agree with nirvblakr. I choose TXSR700.
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Courage on Feb 17, 2003 at 08:05 AM
Norrowed down my Upgrade choices pls help me choose on the following.

Yamaha RXV1300 100 watts X 6 192kHz/24-bit DAC
Denon 1803 80 watts X 6             96kHz/24-bit DACs
Onkyo TX-SR600 80 watts X 6     192kHz/24-bit DAC
Onkyo TX-SR700 100 watts X 6   192kHz/24-bit DAC

192kHz/24-bit DAC<--- para saan to

With the chioces you have there, I'll go for the Onkyo TXSR700 ;)

Mel & Emm,

Bro, why the Onkyo TX-SR700? Whats the advantage of the Onkyo to the Yammy and the Denon? Bukod sa mas mura sya sa Yamaha RXV1300? Need ur comment on the SR700.

Thanks
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: mamasan on Feb 17, 2003 at 09:20 AM
Guys/Gals,

I'm planning to buy a YAMAHA HTR 5250 at 15K.

Please help me finalize my decision by giving reviews, comments and etc...

tnx
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: dexterc on Feb 17, 2003 at 09:24 AM
Guys/Gals,

I'm planning to buy a YAMAHA HTR 5250 at 15K.

Please help me finalize my decision by giving reviews, comments and etc...

tnx
Bro,

baka you might want to consider my HT..Yamaha receiver and speaker combo..RXV-420 and NSP 220 Speakers..see my add at assorted buy and sell


Dex



Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: emm on Feb 17, 2003 at 10:28 AM
Norrowed down my Upgrade choices pls help me choose on the following.

Yamaha RXV1300 100 watts X 6 192kHz/24-bit DAC
Denon 1803 80 watts X 6             96kHz/24-bit DACs
Onkyo TX-SR600 80 watts X 6     192kHz/24-bit DAC
Onkyo TX-SR700 100 watts X 6   192kHz/24-bit DAC

192kHz/24-bit DAC<--- para saan to

With the chioces you have there, I'll go for the Onkyo TXSR700 ;)

Mel & Emm,

Bro, why the Onkyo TX-SR700? Whats the advantage of the Onkyo to the Yammy and the Denon? Bukod sa mas mura sya sa Yamaha RXV1300? Need ur comment on the SR700.

Thanks

Courage,

The technical specs i think are almost the same except for the yammy that it has its own DSP processor for movies. for movies yammy is good but for music, it is bit forward. my preference kasi is 50/50 movie/music that is why i choose SR700.
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: mamasan on Feb 17, 2003 at 10:32 AM
Dex,

Receiver lang muna kaya ng budget ko eh.

Anyways, how much is each, just in case.

 
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Courage on Feb 17, 2003 at 10:35 AM
emm,

Thanks bro.
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: dexterc on Feb 17, 2003 at 10:43 AM
Dex,

Receiver lang muna kaya ng budget ko eh.

Anyways, how much is each, just in case.

 


Bro sent you pm...dun na lang tayo mag usap.nakakahiya sa mods its not the rightplace to talk in here..dapat sa assorted buy and sell na lang sa add ko...sorry mods.My apologies
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Courage on Feb 17, 2003 at 10:50 AM
Dex,

Snet u a pm bro. :)
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: stradale on Feb 17, 2003 at 12:15 PM
I almost bought a TXSR700 myself but check out Audioreview first.  Ang daming negative comments about its performance on music.  I think kung music listening ang priority mo, go for the Denon.  Although ang katapat price at featurewise nung RXV1300 at SR700 ay yung 2802 (or 2803).
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Courage on Feb 17, 2003 at 12:33 PM
stradale,

Bro tenks for the info on the Onkyo, sayang ganda pa naman nang specs nun...anyway..guess choices is brought down to 2.
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: dexterc on Feb 17, 2003 at 12:56 PM
stradale,

Bro tenks for the info on the Onkyo, sayang ganda pa naman nang specs nun...anyway..guess choices is brought down to 2.



Bro,


Yam 1300 at 1803 na lang ba? he!!he!!
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: emm on Feb 17, 2003 at 01:13 PM
stradale,

Bro tenks for the info on the Onkyo, sayang ganda pa naman nang specs nun...anyway..guess choices is brought down to 2.

Courage,

I think you need to listen the performance of the receivers side by side for yourself before you shorten your list.
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Courage on Feb 17, 2003 at 01:19 PM
stradale,

Bro tenks for the info on the Onkyo, sayang ganda pa naman nang specs nun...anyway..guess choices is brought down to 2.

Courage,

I think you need to listen the performance of the receivers side by side for yourself before you shorten your list.

Na Audition ko na kasi yung Yammy 1300 and yung Denon 1803 eh..yung Onkyo na lang talaga ang wala akong idea. Pero bakit ang dami ngang bad reviews nang Onkyo sa Audioreview?

Dex,

ehehehehe ang hirap mamili bro. ehehehe
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: dexterc on Feb 17, 2003 at 01:31 PM
Bro courage,

verdict mo sa yam at denon 1803? sa movies at music? at ano ginamit mong speakers nung nag audition ka?
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: emm on Feb 17, 2003 at 01:32 PM
stradale,

Bro tenks for the info on the Onkyo, sayang ganda pa naman nang specs nun...anyway..guess choices is brought down to 2.

Courage,

I think you need to listen the performance of the receivers side by side for yourself before you shorten your list.

Na Audition ko na kasi yung Yammy 1300 and yung Denon 1803 eh..yung Onkyo na lang talaga ang wala akong idea. Pero bakit ang dami ngang bad reviews nang Onkyo sa Audioreview?

Dex,

ehehehehe ang hirap mamili bro. ehehehe

Courage,

I also read about the reviews, but after listening, i changed my mind. I may be bad at this, so you be the judge. mahirap nga talaga ang mamili. let us know about the verdict. kudos!
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: MeowPao on Feb 17, 2003 at 01:38 PM

Na Audition ko na kasi yung Yammy 1300 and yung Denon 1803 eh..yung Onkyo na lang talaga ang wala akong idea. Pero bakit ang dami ngang bad reviews nang Onkyo sa Audioreview?


I think their latest line has some problems. I've read somewhere aside from audioreview about the models' wattage dropping really low when all speakers are being used, as in very low.

I think someone here posted a chart with regards to the power output of receivers. Generally most Jap receivers go lower than their published rates, while US and European receivers maintain or even exceed their published rates.

Have you tried listening to the NAD or the Harman Kardon yet?  :) Para may Jap vs Kano comparison ka sana.
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Philander on Feb 17, 2003 at 01:43 PM
Yeah. Para lalo kang mahilo, try mo rin yung mga Harman Kardon Receivers..

Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Courage on Feb 17, 2003 at 02:27 PM
Yeah. Para lalo kang mahilo, try mo rin yung mga Harman Kardon Receivers..



Masyado na atang mahal ang Harman Kardon at Nad eh. Maximum budget ko kasi is 34k. In which yung Yamaha 1300 ang pinaka mahal sa tatlong models na pinagpipilian ko. Is there a NAD or HK that is already 6.1 na nasa 30k?

Im also checking the Marantz SR4200 80 watts/ch (429.00$) ,Marantz SR5200 90 watts/ch(599.00$) and Marantz SR6200 100 watts/ch (699.00$). All are DTS-ES 6.1 na. Meron na kaya nito dito? Any idea magkano ito dito? And How about the performance of marantz against Denon, Onkyo and Yamaha.

This will be my last upgrade kaya kelangan pagaralang mabuti eh. ehehe :)
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: stradale on Feb 17, 2003 at 04:08 PM
If I were to buy an AVR now, I'd choose between NAD, HK, and Rotel.  Better kasi ang 2-channel performance nila compared to the Japanese brands.  Among the Jap brands I think Denon offers the best balance for music & movie audio performance.

Having said that, you can't go too wrong with the RXV1300 either.  I have a an RXV1200 and over time, its 2-channel performance got better (or maybe it was the speakers that got better).  5-channel sound is top notch.  But the thing I like most about the Yam is its build quality.  It looks and performs like it'll last.  
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: v0elker on Feb 17, 2003 at 05:42 PM
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[quote author=MeowPao
I think their latest line has some problems. I've read somewhere aside from audioreview about the models' wattage dropping really low when all speakers are being used, as in very low.

I think someone here posted a chart with regards to the power output of receivers. Generally most Jap receivers go lower than their published rates, while US and European receivers maintain or even exceed their published rates.

Have you tried listening to the NAD or the Harman Kardon yet?  :) Para may Jap vs Kano comparison ka sana.

i came across an article in a recent issue of one o the hifi mags (cant remember which one, tingnan ko ulit mamya)  and they were comparing some av receivers, the onkyo tx-sr700 and rotel rsx-1055 included, along with sony, pioneer and yamaha receivers (cant remember the models)

yung comment nila sa onkyo is not so nice. yung power na nakukuha during their testing is more like 65 watts per channel, all channels driven.

while yung sa rotel, though its rated at 5 x 75 watts , they actually got 90+ watts during testing.

the rotel came out on top in terms of power and sonic quality. while the pioneer was chosen because its feature-rich.
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: v0elker on Feb 17, 2003 at 05:58 PM
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[quote author=Courage
Is there a NAD or HK that is already 6.1 na nasa 30k?

Im also checking the Marantz SR4200 80 watts/ch (429.00$) ,Marantz SR5200 90 watts/ch(599.00$) and Marantz SR6200 100 watts/ch (699.00$). All are DTS-ES 6.1 na. Meron na kaya nito dito? Any idea magkano ito dito? And How about the performance of marantz against Denon, Onkyo and Yamaha.

yung NAD T752 is less than P30k here in singapore. yung marantz eh lumabas na yung 300 series nila (i.e. 4300, 5300, etc)
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: MeowPao on Feb 17, 2003 at 06:40 PM

Masyado na atang mahal ang Harman Kardon at Nad eh. Maximum budget ko kasi is 34k. In which yung Yamaha 1300 ang pinaka mahal sa tatlong models na pinagpipilian ko. Is there a NAD or HK that is already 6.1 na nasa 30k?

Im also checking the Marantz SR4200 80 watts/ch (429.00$) ,Marantz SR5200 90 watts/ch(599.00$) and Marantz SR6200 100 watts/ch (699.00$). All are DTS-ES 6.1 na. Meron na kaya nito dito? Any idea magkano ito dito? And How about the performance of marantz against Denon, Onkyo and Yamaha.

No no! Affordable ang mga yan. For example,

H/K AVR5500 5x75w P40,600.00
H/K AVR3550 5x60w P25,000.00

May discount pa yan, prices courtesy of Architectural Audio.  :) (and the wattage may look small, pero what you see is what you hear.)

Iwas ka sa x200 series ng Marantz... if you think the latest Onkyo models have negative comments, wait 'till you see the comments of the x200 series. Kaya siguro lumabas na ng x300 series, now that they've been bought by Denon, siguro ok na sila.

I remember someone telling me that Marantz is one of the more musical receivers out there.  :)
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Uchie on Feb 17, 2003 at 10:44 PM
h/k 3550,  21 grand lng discounted na yun sa park square makati, pero we got it for 20 grand nalang ksi package na kasama speakers ;)
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: levi on Feb 18, 2003 at 12:08 AM
Yeah. Para lalo kang mahilo, try mo rin yung mga Harman Kardon Receivers..





Masyado na atang mahal ang Harman Kardon at Nad eh. Maximum budget ko kasi is 34k. In which yung Yamaha 1300 ang pinaka mahal sa tatlong models na pinagpipilian ko. Is there a NAD or HK that is already 6.1 na nasa 30k?

Im also checking the Marantz SR4200 80 watts/ch (429.00$) ,Marantz SR5200 90 watts/ch(599.00$) and Marantz SR6200 100 watts/ch (699.00$). All are DTS-ES 6.1 na. Meron na kaya nito dito? Any idea magkano ito dito? And How about the performance of marantz against Denon, Onkyo and Yamaha.

This will be my last upgrade kaya kelangan pagaralang mabuti eh. ehehe :)

     The HK 5500 is only 33000-34000 after discount. It is my first choice but decided to get the 1803 because I cant wait for the HK anymore. It was not available when I was scouting for a new receiver. I prefer the sound  of  HK and it has multiroom features and 75W of Harman power but I need to buy another amp to power the surround back channel to make it 7.1. You can contact epoy of Architectural audio if it is already available. He said that the next batch will arrive this Feb.
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Superman on Feb 18, 2003 at 12:22 AM
thanks for all the advice.   :)  I can't wait for the NAD t752 to come out here.  I really wanna check them out already.  I just hope they don't cost too much.

hi bundy!

sent you a pm...thanks! 8)
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Courage on Feb 18, 2003 at 08:22 AM
levi,

bakit kelangan pa nang isa pang amp to maket it 7.1? 6.1 na ba yung HK? or still need an amp to make it 6.1 and 7.1? which means  5 channels are amplified di tulad nung denon and yammy thats already 6.1? Im sorry di ko kasi kabisado ang HK eh..ive seen one but old model ata yun pero di ko pa na tetesting?


guys,

tenks for ur comments.....
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Philander on Feb 18, 2003 at 09:33 AM
Sorry for answering.

Courage,

H/K 5500 is a 5.1 Receiver with pre outs for each channel plus pre outs (low level) for surround right back and surround left back and that's makes it 7.1.

Low level means you need to use another amplifier to power it up.

Yung iba like Denon 1803, build in na ung ampli for surround backs (high level, so you dont need another ampli).

Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Courage on Feb 18, 2003 at 11:14 AM
philander,

tenks for the explanation..i get it now ehehehehe
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: dexterc on Feb 18, 2003 at 01:21 PM
Bro Courage,

I think 6.1 is quite enough na kung di rin lang kalakihan ang room na paglalagyan mo..he!!he!! 6 speakers ok na yun  ;D ;D ;D unless you want to upgrade again in the near future
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Courage on Feb 18, 2003 at 01:23 PM
dex,

ehehehehe oo nga enough na yun..tinanong ko lang yung tungkol sa  HK na 7.1 ehehehehe..any way.. ipopost ko na sa market place ang ampli ko...and i decided to go for the Denon 1803..pag nabenta nati to sabay na tayo bumili baka lumaki ang discount natin ehehehe
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: sillyputty on Feb 18, 2003 at 03:13 PM
courage....
now that you've decided to get the denon...
Hyperaudio is selling a marantzs sr4300 for 21.5k.
same specs as the denon but with pre-outs!!!
Now aint that nice....
 ::)
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Courage on Feb 18, 2003 at 03:37 PM
silly,

wala akong idea on how the Marantz perform eh. maybe u can give me a little info on marantz receiver..or sino dito ang naka marantz baka may info kayo.
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: sillyputty on Feb 18, 2003 at 06:22 PM
wala rin akong idea e. nag open ako dati ng thread for marantz pero walang pumansin. konti lang ata yung may experience with marantz. may nagpost, negative naman yung sabi nya. sirain daw. sana yung bagong series di ganun. sayang eh. murang pre-pro yun!
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: iceman90a on Feb 18, 2003 at 07:05 PM
silly,

wala akong idea on how the Marantz perform eh. maybe u can give me a little info on marantz receiver..or sino dito ang naka marantz baka may info kayo.

hi - i'm using the marantz sr4200 on my mission speakers. previously they were driving 2 diamond 8.1's and a diamond center

i have no complaints whatsoever. they are a great match for my missions  ;D
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Courage on Feb 19, 2003 at 08:33 AM
iceman,

Im using diamond 8.3 and diamond center. Whats ur comment when ur marantz still drives the 8.1? Ayos ba naman? I might consider the marantz 4300 eh which will drive my 8.3..just wanna know kung mag mamatch ang marantz sa wharfedale..so far im using a yamaha and had no problems with the wharfs.
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: iceman90a on Feb 19, 2003 at 08:51 AM
iceman,

Im using diamond 8.3 and diamond center. Whats ur comment when ur marantz still drives the 8.1? Ayos ba naman? I might consider the marantz 4300 eh which will drive my 8.3..just wanna know kung mag mamatch ang marantz sa wharfedale..so far im using a yamaha and had no problems with the wharfs.

hi, you will have tto take my opinion with a grain of salt as i am no expert  ;D

when i first listened to the marantz & diamond 8.1 pair - it was a remarkable improvement from my mini-compo

vocals are very clear and the imaging of the instruments are very distinct.

i was actually shopping around for an 8.3 or 8.4 to use as fronts but i heard the mission speakers (auditioned with a yamaha 630) and thought they sounded a little better

some might say the marantz is a "warm" amp that will need "bright" speakers, hence they might not match a "warm" speaker like the diamond series - but that would be up to you

performance wise - i cannot complain. i love the auto-detect function which will shift it to dd5.1 / dts/ stereo depending on the signal even if you use a digital cable
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Courage on Feb 19, 2003 at 09:39 AM
iceman,

thanks for the info....now ill be comparing the marantz SR4300 over the Denon 1803. Advantage ngayon nang marantz is unang una mas mura over the denon pangalawa..it has pre-outs on all channels..while yung denon eh subwoofer lang ata
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Skabyol on Feb 19, 2003 at 10:13 AM
Courage,
Ang gamit ko Marantz SR5200 with dm601 S3. Very happy with the combination...found the yamahas na masydong "bright"..yung denon naman masyadong mahal. For the price meron na siyang 6.1 channel pre-outs at meron pang 7.1 input. At the time the 4200 had 2.1 channel pre-out lang yata. Ngayon ba 5.1 na ang pre outs ng 4300?

Silly,
Nde ko nakita yung thread mo na yun ah..sana nakapag bigay ako ng magandang comments :P...nag start din ako ng thread for the sr5200 last year..wala din masyadong nag post na ibang owners..

Skabyol
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Courage on Feb 19, 2003 at 10:36 AM
Yung SR-4300 eh may 6.1 channel pre-out na yata......kaya kaka temp kasi mas mura sa Denon 1803...ewan ko lang performance against the denon
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: hyperaudio on Feb 19, 2003 at 10:40 AM
the marantz will be on demo tomorrow at my shop. need at least one day initial run-in (break-in) and a week for full break-in (i play it at least 10 hrs a day).
i'll let you guys judge the merits (or demerits) of the units. don't get me wrong; i still carry my favorite onkyo line. but when something like this (feature packed, cheap & good-sounding (i hope the reviews are true))
comes along it's hard to pass.
will update on this thread...
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: iceman90a on Feb 19, 2003 at 12:39 PM
At the time the 4200 had 2.1 channel pre-out lang yata. Ngayon ba 5.1 na ang pre outs ng 4300?

Skabyol
i'm not sure if the earlier models of the sr4200 had only stereo + sub pre-outs, but my unit has all 6 ;D
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: v0elker on Feb 19, 2003 at 02:26 PM
i hope u wont be disappointed. i owned an sr4200 in the past and when i was auditioning other receivers, the marantz was the most musical amongst the japanese brands. i think they're on par with the denon, but whilst the marantz was more musical, the denon performed a bit better in ht.

the marantz will be on demo tomorrow at my shop. need at least one day initial run-in (break-in) and a week for full break-in (i play it at least 10 hrs a day).
i'll let you guys judge the merits (or demerits) of the units. don't get me wrong; i still carry my favorite onkyo line. but when something like this (feature packed, cheap & good-sounding (i hope the reviews are true))
comes along it's hard to pass.
will update on this thread...
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: redkoji on Feb 21, 2003 at 11:36 AM

Masyado na atang mahal ang Harman Kardon at Nad eh. Maximum budget ko kasi is 34k. In which yung Yamaha 1300 ang pinaka mahal sa tatlong models na pinagpipilian ko. Is there a NAD or HK that is already 6.1 na nasa 30k?

Im also checking the Marantz SR4200 80 watts/ch (429.00$) ,Marantz SR5200 90 watts/ch(599.00$) and Marantz SR6200 100 watts/ch (699.00$). All are DTS-ES 6.1 na. Meron na kaya nito dito? Any idea magkano ito dito? And How about the performance of marantz against Denon, Onkyo and Yamaha.

No no! Affordable ang mga yan. For example,

H/K AVR5500 5x75w P40,600.00
H/K AVR3550 5x60w P25,000.00

May discount pa yan, prices courtesy of Architectural Audio.  :) (and the wattage may look small, pero what you see is what you hear.)

Iwas ka sa x200 series ng Marantz... if you think the latest Onkyo models have negative comments, wait 'till you see the comments of the x200 series. Kaya siguro lumabas na ng x300 series, now that they've been bought by Denon, siguro ok na sila.

I remember someone telling me that Marantz is one of the more musical receivers out there.  :)


Hey Dude,

NAD T752 sell at Php32,000.00
although NAD T741 sell at Php23,500.00

If that still out your budget I offer you Sherwood RD-863. 100W per channel, 7.1, with on-screen display,
DTS, Dolby Digital, and Dolby Prologic 2 ready. Reg. Price Php35,000.00 less 10%
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Courage on Feb 21, 2003 at 11:44 AM
red,

saang store yung price na yan?
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: redkoji on Feb 21, 2003 at 12:32 PM
red,

saang store yung price na yan?

Good day Dude,

This is a direct limited offer from Studio Systems. Tel# 522-5698
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Courage on Feb 21, 2003 at 12:37 PM
bro,

sino pwede kong hanapin dun?
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: redkoji on Feb 21, 2003 at 12:43 PM
bro,

sino pwede kong hanapin dun?

You can ask for Rej, Rey or Kit
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Courage on Feb 21, 2003 at 04:03 PM
red,

where is this located..im not from manila eh..

thanks
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Courage on Feb 26, 2003 at 04:32 PM
Guys,

Eto na talaga ang pag iisipan...

Marantz SR5300 or Denon 1803?

Kung kayo? ano bibilhin nyo?  :)
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: dexterc on Feb 26, 2003 at 04:35 PM
Guys,

Eto na talaga ang pag iisipan...

Marantz SR5300 or Denon 1803?

Kung kayo? ano bibilhin nyo?  :)


Bro,

Audition them both using wharf 8.3 speakers para makapag decide ka na he!!he!! di ka na nakakatulog nyan.Tapos set mo yung budget kung hanggang saan para mas madali ang pumili
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Philander on Feb 26, 2003 at 04:41 PM
Guys,

Eto na talaga ang pag iisipan...

Marantz SR5300 or Denon 1803?

Kung kayo? ano bibilhin nyo?  :)


Depends sa speaker na gagamitin mo.

But for me, I will choose H/K 5500 or the H/K 3550 will do.

Not much for the 6th or 7th channel, kasi I just have a medium size listening room, 5.1 will do.
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: dexterc on Feb 26, 2003 at 04:44 PM
Guys,

Eto na talaga ang pag iisipan...

Marantz SR5300 or Denon 1803?

Kung kayo? ano bibilhin nyo?  :)


Depends sa speaker na gagamitin mo.

But for me, I will choose H/K 5500 or the H/K 3550 will do.

Not much for the 6th or 7th channel, kasi I just have a medium size listening room, 5.1 will do.

Bro wharf ang speakers ni Courage kaya nga dapat yung ang gagamitin nya para maka pag decide na sya..ilang linggo na yan na di nakaka tulog he!!he!!

Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Philander on Feb 26, 2003 at 04:53 PM
Guys,

Eto na talaga ang pag iisipan...

Marantz SR5300 or Denon 1803?

Kung kayo? ano bibilhin nyo?  :)


Depends sa speaker na gagamitin mo.

But for me, I will choose H/K 5500 or the H/K 3550 will do.

Not much for the 6th or 7th channel, kasi I just have a medium size listening room, 5.1 will do.

Bro wharf ang speakers ni Courage kaya nga dapat yung ang gagamitin nya para maka pag decide na sya..ilang linggo na yan na di nakaka tulog he!!he!!



If thats the case, definitely Denon 1803.

Again, that's me.
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: sillyputty on Feb 26, 2003 at 05:03 PM
magkano yung marantz 5300? saan?
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: john5479 on Feb 27, 2003 at 03:00 AM
harman kardon can drive the wharfs too, marantz too, coz I'm using one to drive my 8.1's right now, depends on what sound you like better  ;)
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Courage on Feb 27, 2003 at 08:39 AM
Na audition ko na pareho eh...they both use Energy speakers.. they both sound good in music and HT..although kaya ko naman bilhin yung marantz (mas mahal kasi kesa sa denon eh)..

If u compare on features lamang kasi ang marantz eh 90 wattc/ch, OSD, 192hz DAC, Pre Outs on all channels..

Although Denon has Component In and Out, speakers set A and B on rear center para pwedeng 7.1 although isang ampli lang for both a & B rear centers,Phono Input(yata).

Power consumption on denon is 260 watts while yung Marantz is 360 watts  yata or more..i read it somewhere in pinoy dvd that u also need to look on the power it consumes..more power consumption ata means more power on ur amplifier(im not sure eheheh).

sillyputty,

pare nag pa quote ako kay Hyperaudio on Marantz SR5300 and im planning to buy my Marantz sa kanya kung by march 9 eh umabot budget ko kaya nga esep esep ako eh. U can ask him na lang.

Philander,

I also auditioned the HK 5500...speechless ako habang pinakikinggan ko and at the same time tumutulo ang laway.. damn that receiver is the best grabe tumunog ang ganda. from the receiver na na audition ko last sunday Onkyo TXSR700 & 600,Marantz SR5300,SR4300, Denon 1803,Kenwood 5090(yata yun) and HK5500 da best sa lahat yung HK pare..so i agree with u.

So if u are willing or have 34k budget on a receiver..i suggest the HK 5500. too bad that price is too much for me baka hindi lang bullet proof vest ang kailangan ko pag uwi ehehehehehe
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: dexterc on Feb 27, 2003 at 09:05 AM
Na audition ko na pareho eh...they both use Energy speakers.. they both sound good in music and HT..although kaya ko naman bilhin yung marantz (mas mahal kasi kesa sa denon eh)..

If u compare on features lamang kasi ang marantz eh 90 wattc/ch, OSD, 192hz DAC, Pre Outs on all channels..

Although Denon has Component In and Out, speakers set A and B on rear center para pwedeng 7.1 although isang ampli lang for both a & B rear centers,Phono Input(yata).

Power consumption on denon is 260 watts while yung Marantz is 360 watts  yata or more..i read it somewhere in pinoy dvd that u also need to look on the power it consumes..more power consumption ata means more power on ur amplifier(im not sure eheheh).

sillyputty,

pare nag pa quote ako kay Hyperaudio on Marantz SR5300 and im planning to buy my Marantz sa kanya kung by march 9 eh umabot budget ko kaya nga esep esep ako eh. U can ask him na lang.

Philander,

I also auditioned the HK 5500...speechless ako habang pinakikinggan ko and at the same time tumutulo ang laway.. damn that receiver is the best grabe tumunog ang ganda. from the receiver na na audition ko last sunday Onkyo TXSR700 & 600,Marantz SR5300,SR4300, Denon 1803,Kenwood 5090(yata yun) and HK5500 da best sa lahat yung HK pare..so i agree with u.

So if u are willing or have 34k budget on a receiver..i suggest the HK 5500. too bad that price is too much for me baka hindi lang bullet proof vest ang kailangan ko pag uwi ehehehehehe

Bro,

Raring to go na ang upgrade mo he!!he!! Hows the performance of onkyo sr600 compared sa denon 1803?
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Courage on Feb 27, 2003 at 09:07 AM
Dex,

mas gusto ko yung tunog nang Denon 1803 over the Onkyo pero thats just me. :)

Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: nerveblocker on Feb 27, 2003 at 12:14 PM
Courage- Pre, I think the receivers you were comparing aren't in the same league.  It is wise to compare the 1803 and the TXSR600 coz most probably they are in the same price range.

Guess, the HK5500 should be compared with maybe a TXSR700 or a 2803 para patas ang labanan. ;D
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: enygma on Feb 27, 2003 at 12:36 PM
courage is right!!! talagang mapapatulala ka sa sound ng hk5500. doon ko lang naappreciate iyung cd with female vocals. para ngang pinpatulog kami ng kasama ko when we had a demo at architectural audio. kung may dala lang akong cash that time binili ko na kaagad iyon. but reserved na pala iyon so i have to wait for a week bako ko mapasaakin iyung unit ko. sana nga dumating na dahil hinahanap-hanap ko na iyung harman sound. hehehehe
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Courage on Feb 27, 2003 at 12:58 PM
Courage- Pre, I think the receivers you were comparing aren't in the same league.  It is wise to compare the 1803 and the TXSR600 coz most probably they are in the same price range.

Guess, the HK5500 should be compared with maybe a TXSR700 or a 2803 para patas ang labanan. ;D

mel,

ur right bro.. i guess if u compared the HK5500 against Marantz SR5300, Denon 1803 and Onkyo TXSR600 eh wala talagang panama yun sa HK. but all im saying is noon lang ako nakapakinig nang ganung kagandang sound, Music and HT thats why natulala ako sa HK ehehehe :)
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Uchie on Feb 28, 2003 at 01:05 AM
compare it nalang with the hk 3550  ;)
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Courage on Feb 28, 2003 at 08:40 AM
Any way back to my question..

Marantz SR5300 or Denon 1803?

Kung kayo? ano bibilhin nyo?  

Im hearing about the delay problems on the Marantz 5300.

Check dis out. they are discussing about the delay problem of the marantz

http://www.avforums.com/forums/showthread.php?s=a6de429f54383f70c4511cd9c0dfcf19&threadid=60925
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: nerveblocker on Feb 28, 2003 at 11:25 AM
Generally speaking, if it is more expensive, expect better sound quality and more features. ;D
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Qman on Mar 01, 2003 at 07:07 PM
PDVD gurus and boss nirvblkr,

what would you recommend?

HK5500
Marantz 5300
Denon 1803

pareho ba level ng mga iyon?  sa review dito sa thread na ito HK5500 ang lumalabas na magaling?

pagpayuhan po ninyo..

nalilito,

qatarman ???
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: enygma on Mar 01, 2003 at 08:38 PM
q-man, sent u a pm.  ;D
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Qman on Mar 01, 2003 at 09:12 PM
tenx sir enygma....

 ;D ;D
qatarman
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Philander on Mar 01, 2003 at 09:29 PM

what would you recommend?

HK5500
Marantz 5300
Denon 1803

pagpayuhan po ninyo..

nalilito,

qatarman ???


Actually they are all very good receivers. Its just a matter of preferences. Best is you need to pair them their corresponding speaker for them to be able to sound great and release its power.

I mean Receiver A will sound bad in Speaker A but Receiver B will sound great in Speaker A or something like that. You may also consider the speaker you are going to use to your chosen Receiver.

As per your question, I think the best above them is the H/K, but you need to pair it with a corresponding speaker (consider the sensitivity, impedance, power, etc).

For simplicity and "not that" sensitive in pairing the speaker, well Denon 1803 is the master.

You be the judge, trust your ear.


Mas nagpapalito,
philander
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: v0elker on Mar 01, 2003 at 10:22 PM
just got a NAD T752 this pm, originally planned to get the T762 but decided to save me some dough that i can use later this year for speaker upgrades (currently using KEF KHT-2005 sub/sat combo).
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: banzai on Mar 02, 2003 at 05:51 PM
V0elker, can you tell us the price for the T752 and T762? I am planning to get either the NAD T762 or HK 5500. Please also give us a feedback on the performance of the T752.
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: v0elker on Mar 02, 2003 at 11:17 PM
banzai, i got the t752 here in singapore for about P28k, the T762 will be available soon and they tell me the prices will be P40k or whereabouts

ive only used it for less than 8 hrs but the quality is already superb! i can just imagine how it will sound after some serious burn-in (or whatever u call it). my flatmates can hardly believe the sounds are coming out of my kef sub/sat combo!

judging with my experience with the T752, i assume that the T762 will blow you away! i hope u can audition both. but i dun think its a fair comparison, the nad will probably trump the HK. try to compare it to the Rotel RSX-1055 instead (the only other receiver i considered along with the T752, T762).

if u have other questions, ill try to answer em
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Qman on Mar 02, 2003 at 11:40 PM

what would you recommend?

HK5500
Marantz 5300
Denon 1803

pagpayuhan po ninyo..

nalilito,

qatarman ???


Actually they are all very good receivers. Its just a matter of preferences. Best is you need to pair them their corresponding speaker for them to be able to sound great and release its power.

I mean Receiver A will sound bad in Speaker A but Receiver B will sound great in Speaker A or something like that. You may also consider the speaker you are going to use to your chosen Receiver.

As per your question, I think the best above them is the H/K, but you need to pair it with a corresponding speaker (consider the sensitivity, impedance, power, etc).

For simplicity and "not that" sensitive in pairing the speaker, well Denon 1803 is the master.

You be the judge, trust your ear.


Mas nagpapalito,
philander

tenx mr. philander... ;D ;D ;D 7 march ko sila lahat huhusgahan......

post ko nalang dito kung ano ang nagwagi... ;D ;D
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: sgc_wdi on Mar 03, 2003 at 03:51 PM
when I was at Michael's Audio sa HK, I asked which is better, onkyo sr600 or denon 1803, the guy told me Onkyo is better daw, however, Denon was more expensive because of the brand. I'm not sure if it's true though...
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Courage on Mar 03, 2003 at 04:17 PM
Pero bakit ang dami kong nabasang Bad Reviews against the ONKYOS TX-SRXXX series. Revies are about yung biglang paghina nang power kapag gumagana na lahat nang channels
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: banzai on Mar 03, 2003 at 06:19 PM
banzai, i got the t752 here in singapore for about P28k, the T762 will be available soon and they tell me the prices will be P40k or whereabouts

ive only used it for less than 8 hrs but the quality is already superb! i can just imagine how it will sound after some serious burn-in (or whatever u call it). my flatmates can hardly believe the sounds are coming out of my kef sub/sat combo!

judging with my experience with the T752, i assume that the T762 will blow you away! i hope u can audition both. but i dun think its a fair comparison, the nad will probably trump the HK. try to compare it to the Rotel RSX-1055 instead (the only other receiver i considered along with the T752, T762).

if u have other questions, ill try to answer em

Thanks for the info V0elker. Do you know how much the Rotel is? It might be too expensive.  I also have other gears to upgrade.
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: redkoji on Mar 03, 2003 at 07:14 PM
banzai, i got the t752 here in singapore for about P28k, the T762 will be available soon and they tell me the prices will be P40k or whereabouts

ive only used it for less than 8 hrs but the quality is already superb! i can just imagine how it will sound after some serious burn-in (or whatever u call it). my flatmates can hardly believe the sounds are coming out of my kef sub/sat combo!

judging with my experience with the T752, i assume that the T762 will blow you away! i hope u can audition both. but i dun think its a fair comparison, the nad will probably trump the HK. try to compare it to the Rotel RSX-1055 instead (the only other receiver i considered along with the T752, T762).

if u have other questions, ill try to answer em

Thanks for the info V0elker. Do you know how much the Rotel is? It might be too expensive.  I also have other gears to upgrade.


Thanks v0elker for purchasing T752, sayang you have already had it purchase from Singapore.

The T752, is already here, by May or June the T762 will be offered in the Philippines.

T752 of NAD is price at Php32,000.00
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: v0elker on Mar 03, 2003 at 07:16 PM
no worries, banzai.

im not sure about the price of the rotel rsx-1055, last time i checked (back in dec), can be had for about SG$1600, discounted na. not sure yung latest, but ill ask them tomorrow.

yung nad t762 will retail for about SG$1600 (minus 10-15% discount) so the nad should have a lower street price, although baka magprice cut sila sa rsx-1055 because of the t762's release.
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Courage on Mar 04, 2003 at 07:53 AM
redkoji,

paki PM naman kung saan pwede i audition yung T752 mo. Available na ba for auditioning?
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: v0elker on Mar 04, 2003 at 11:21 AM
thanks v0elker for purchasing T752, sayang you have already had it purchase from Singapore.

The T752, is already here, by May or June the T762 will be offered in the Philippines.

T752 of NAD is price at Php32,000.00

yeah, i was gonna purchase sana from you, kaso 2 weeks pa before ko laman kung uuwi ako dito or stay. eh i want to have one na eh.

sayang lang indi global warranty, so wawa ako pag napauwi ako n nagbreakdown.

anyway, to all guys lookin for a new receiver, i suggest you ask redkoji for an audition! ur gonna be blown away by the nad receivers, specially when compared to the other good jap brands such as denon and marantz.
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: hyperaudio on Mar 04, 2003 at 11:59 AM
guys,
consider the marantz sr-4300 at only P17500; 6.1 discrete, pre outs, 80wx5 @ 8 ohms, etc. ridiculously cheap with excellent sound to boot!
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: sgc_wdi on Mar 04, 2003 at 02:44 PM
Pero bakit ang dami kong nabasang Bad Reviews against the ONKYOS TX-SRXXX series. Revies are about yung biglang paghina nang power kapag gumagana na lahat nang channels

not sure, hopefully someone here can help distinguish which is better...
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: bundy on Mar 05, 2003 at 07:48 PM
V0elker, I have a question for you regarding the NAD T752 that you purchased, if you can help me out.  I'm planning to get one too thru redkoji but I'm curious about setup of 6.1 and 7.1  The T752 is supposed to be able to process dts es so that means its 6.1 right?  If the reciever only has 5 channels of power then where do I get power for the sixth channel?  If I do need an amp for it then I'll most likely get a 2 channel amp.  That would make it possible to run 7.1 too.  My question is, if I were to get another amp at the performance level of the NAD then wouldn't that bring my overall cost up?  Wouldn't it be more practical for me/ for us to get the T762 instead?

I've been thinking about how to configure the different channels.  I've read that if you get another amp, then you can make it run your main speakers and designate the power from the reciever to the surround backs.  But can you do it the other way around... can you make the surround backs be powered by the external amp?  Cuz if thats possible, then I can get a not so expensive amp to run the surround backs and keep overall cost down.

I was hoping you could help me out since you already purchased the reciever and have the manual on hand. The price diff between the T752 and T762 is no joke and buying another amp is not cheap either.
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: v0elker on Mar 05, 2003 at 08:17 PM
bundy: lets see...

1. yes, its a 7.1 receiver, but internal amplification is only for five channels. you can use a spare mono or stereo amp for 6.1 and 7.1, respectively.

2. getting a T762 instead of a T752 + stereo power amp? hmmm, here a T752 would cost SG$950 or whereabouts and a nice used power amp (120watts or greater) would probably set you back 300 more or less (depends on the brand). that would be about SG$1250 (7.1) against the cost of a T762, SG$1500 (6.1). that would be fine if ur willing to forego the other features of the T762:
    - A/B speakers
    - multi/zone, multi-source
    - toroidal transformer (not sure what difference it makes)
    - HDCD decoding (if your DVD/CD player already has then no need)

3. if you get an amp with higher output than the 80watts put out by the t752, then use it to power the fronts. if its less than 80w, use it to power the rears. you can do it either way.

hope ive answered ur questions, if you have other queries, please let me know. actually, i also considered those things when i was deciding between the two. since i didnt think id need 6.1 right now, i just opted for the much cheaper t752. anyway, i can always get a nice power amp for few hundred bucks (tons o them in the used market here in singapore) if i feel i ever need to go 6.1 or 7.1

hope i was able to help you out bundy!
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Qman on Mar 05, 2003 at 09:10 PM
ive just check with Archi audio the availability of HK5500....   :( :( :( :( di pa raw available by next week pa raw....

at pang anim ako sa nakapila :( :( :( masyado raw kasing mainit ito..... pati ang denon nila out of stock.....

and karamihan daw pdvd members and kumuha ;D ;D ;D.
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: bundy on Mar 06, 2003 at 01:58 AM
Thanks for the help v0elker  :)  Yes it has helped.... a lot.  At the very least I now know what you were thinking when you decided between the T762 and the T752.  

I actually have an old Harman integrated amp that is 90w per channel.  I just have to have it repaired first cuz its not functioning right now.  I'm thinking of using it for powering my rears for the 7.1.  I'm not too sure about the second hand market around here though.  Haven't done my research on that yet.  

If I get the T752, I'll most probably use the second amp for the rears cuz I don't know if the quality of the second amp will rival that of the NAD.  Unless ofcourse I get a real nice amp.  But that'll cost me an arm and a leg.  

I auditioned the T741, by the way.  And you were right in your reviews to me in past posts.  It is a great reciever.  I was far more impressed with the NAD then the Yamah and Onkyo that I auditioned before.  I'm not too sure about Denon, but I was more than satisfied with what I heard from the NAD.  And considering that was only the entry level model.

Thanks for all your help v0elker  ;D
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: v0elker on Mar 06, 2003 at 10:23 AM
no worries bundy, glad i was able to help out. when it comes to mid-to-low end av receivers, marantz (owned one) and denon (not sure about hk, havent tried one) used to be tops for me as i didnt like the sonic quality of the other brands. but that all changed when i was exposed to rotel and nad, they simply blow away most of the competition. of course there are better av receivers, but those are way beyond my budget and id probably be better off with an entry level rotel separates if i had that kind o money.

good luck mate, pls share with us ur experiences when you get one.
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: plowboy on Mar 06, 2003 at 10:43 AM
elo. just bought HARMAN/KARDON AVR 3550 and JBL SCS 10 6HT SPEAKERS last january. im quite satisfied with the set up. kaya lang di na ako makakapagdagdag ng rear speakers for DOLBY DIGITAL EX. DENON daw ang meron no'n sabi nung binilan ko. ::)
Title: Re:What receivers rivals those of Yamaha?
Post by: dlanor on Mar 06, 2003 at 02:21 PM
I'm thinking of getting a new receiver. Was wondering, what brands would rival those of Yamahas? I'm particularly looking for the 630, or even the 1200. Are there cheaper alternatives that have basically the same feature set, and a good performer?
Pre, try mo onkyo 797. Got one here, inform me if you're interested.
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: dlanor on Mar 06, 2003 at 02:29 PM
Pre, why don't you try mo Onkyo 797 instead of yamaha 1200. THX select na.Meron ako nun.Inform me if your interested.Very cheap!
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: bundy on Mar 12, 2003 at 12:14 PM
Hey v0elker

Got my NAD T752  ;D  I have to say, I didn't sleep lastnight and I'm still playing with it right now.  Its great!  Right now I only have fronts connected to it cuz I haven't bought my speakers yet.   I'm using hand me down Bose Acoustimass and it sounds really good.  The stereo output is not too mellow, nor too bright.  Its got more clarity than the Onkyo I auditioned, and it belts out nice vocals.  One thing I noticed on the NAD, even when I was auditioning it, was that it had clarity.  You could hear everything.  Maybe this is just the excitement, but I'm one satisfied customer  ;D ;D  Thanks for all the advice on the NAD.
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: v0elker on Mar 12, 2003 at 01:24 PM
hey bundy, congrats dude! great to hear you finally went with the NAD, im sure that kit will give you years of enjoyment. keep in touch, maybe we can swap tips and stuff in the future. ill be in manila soon and i cant wait to reassemble my stuff and give it a thorough workout.

enjoy ur kit! im sure ur going to have a good time selecting speakers that will be a perfect match with your receiver.

Hey v0elker

Got my NAD T752  ;D  I have to say, I didn't sleep lastnight and I'm still playing with it right now.  Its great!  Right now I only have fronts connected to it cuz I haven't bought my speakers yet.   I'm using hand me down Bose Acoustimass and it sounds really good.  The stereo output is not too mellow, nor too bright.  Its got more clarity than the Onkyo I auditioned, and it belts out nice vocals.  One thing I noticed on the NAD, even when I was auditioning it, was that it had clarity.  You could hear everything.  Maybe this is just the excitement, but I'm one satisfied customer  ;D ;D  Thanks for all the advice on the NAD.

Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: slowhand on Mar 12, 2003 at 07:28 PM
Got my NAD T752  ;D  

Congrats on your new AVR, bundy.
Do report on its performance.

Question for you (and maybe for other NAD experts too): Do you hear the fan noise on yours? There was quite a bit of discussion on AVS regarding that.
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: v0elker on Mar 12, 2003 at 07:44 PM
hey slowhand. ive been using my t752 for hours at a time and ive yet to hear the fan come on. i know i didnt miss it cause from the posts at AVS and other forums, its quite loud when it does come on.

anyway, the earlier batches of the t752 had a glitch wherein when the fan came on, it ran for far longer than it should. nad has acknowledged the glitch and i believe it has been fixed in later batches. this time around, when the fan kicks in, it should run for just 30secs-1min (i think, cant remember the exact figure, tagal ko na nabasa eh)

ill let u know how bad it is when i do hear it.

--------------------

with regards to sonic performance, theres nothing much i can say but WOW. i listened to other avrs (denon 2802, marantz 7300, etc) in the SG$2000 and below price range while i was waiting for the nad and nothing came close to the nad's power and refinement (except for the rotel, which equalled or possibly surpassed the nad).
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: v0elker on Mar 13, 2003 at 10:42 AM
hey bundy. were u able to have ur hk int amp repaired and setup to power your rear sorrounds?
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: bundy on Mar 13, 2003 at 07:10 PM
Slowhand... Thanks  ;D  Its barely broken in.  But in the time that I've used it, the fan hasn't gone on at all.  In fact, on the first day, I placed my HK amp, stereo, Tuner, and CD player on top of it... then played it all night, but I never heard the fan go on.  There was no real space for any air to go in and ventilate it but there was no real problem with the fan going on.  I read about the fan being loud too at other sites.  So far... no experience of it yet.  I did rearrange my setup now though.  Its just my HK amp then the NAD on top of it.  The other components, I placed elsewhere.

As for the performance... I only have front speakers hooked up.  I haven't had the time to hijack the other speakers around the house and hook them up to the reciever.  (Don't have the moolah yet to purchase my own speakers. )  But from what I hear... I LIKE  :)  Its very detailed and the panning from left to right is nice and smooth.

Also, when I was purchasing it at Spectra, there was a newly delivered Marantz 6300 I think.  It was selling for about P40k+ I think.  I asked the sales guy what he preferred between the NAD and the Marantz.  He said go for the NAD.  The NAD was only selling for P30k.  He said all you were getting with the Marantz was features, but the sound of the NAD was so much better.

I definitely prefer the sound of the NAD over the other recievers I've tested (Onkyo, Yamaha).  Its just got more life in it.  And it brings out a sound you can "feel" more.


Voelker...  Nope. Haven't gotten the HK amp fixed yet.  I'm most probably gonna do it after I finish buying the fronts, center, and rear speakers.  In other words... its gonna take a while.  Hehehe.

What I will be able to give you feedback on in the next few weeks is what the NAD sounds like with Dynaudio Audience 42s and maybe JMlab Chorus.  I went to a couple of shops and they told me to bring over my reciever to demo their speakers properly.  I was really impressed with the Dyns and I wanna hear what they sound like with the NAD.  I read that you were thinking of getting Quad.  I read a review on it and its main competition is the Audience 42.   I might do it this Saturday.  Let you know how it sounds.
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: v0elker on Mar 13, 2003 at 09:55 PM
thanks bundy, do let me know how your audition turns out. im interested to know if the nad will be able to make the dynes sing. the manual indicates that the t752 will have no problems driving even demanding speakers, but im thinking that maybe those situations are best left to really beefy power amps.

thats why i was more attracted to the quad 11l, as they are less demanding compared to the dyne 42s.
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: bundy on Mar 13, 2003 at 10:38 PM
Actually, when I auditioned the Dyns, they were being powered by a Yamaha rxv1300.  The guys said it was 120w per channel I think.  It was able to drive the Dyns very well at reasonably loud volumes.  Since Japanese electronics have a tendency to overstate their power output.  I'd guess the yamaha is only outputting around 100-110w.  I read a review on the T752 and it said the actual output of the amplifiers was around 90w and not 80w.  My thinking (hoping) is that the NAD won't have so much trouble driving the dyns.  But anyway, I'll let you know how it goes.  If possible... I'd like to try the quad11l too.  I just don't know which shop, if any, carries it here.
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: v0elker on Mar 13, 2003 at 11:01 PM
i read the same thing in the dec 2002 issue of sound & vision, i think they got continous 92watts with all channels driven. im also hoping that the nad wont have trouble driving the dynes, cause if thats the case, then maybe theyll be able to drive the smaller maggies. just wish i can afford them maggies in 2 years time, kahit used. otherwise, ill settle for them quads (great sound, lotsa bass for its size and lovely finish) or even used dynes pag meron available next year.

sige, i eagerly await the results of your audition. thanks mate!
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: v0elker on Mar 13, 2003 at 11:13 PM
hey bundy, i re-read some stuff on the NAD website re: T752 and guess i didnt noticed this one before:

"Boasting a MINIMUM of 80 watts continuous power per channel, the T752 can fill even large rooms to lifelike sound levels."
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: slowhand on Mar 14, 2003 at 06:59 AM
Good job, bundy. Do update us with your auditions.

v0elker, thanks for the response. Which speakers is your 752 hooked up to? Which Rotel did you say performed better?
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: sgc_wdi on Mar 14, 2003 at 01:19 PM
hi guys, would anyone know how much these AVRs are selling now:

Yamaha RX-V1300
Yamaha RX-V1200
Denon 1803

Thanks!

Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Courage on Mar 14, 2003 at 01:31 PM
hi guys, would anyone know how much these AVRs are selling now:

Yamaha RX-V1300
Yamaha RX-V1200
Denon 1803

Thanks!


Hope this helps

Yamaha RXV-1300 34k at D'Cinema in Style at Festival mall

Yamaha RXV-1200 - 32-33K sa isang store sa Megamall
Denon AVR-1803 - 23,500 Spectra and 23,000 at Image Har. Plaza

 ;) ;D
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: sgc_wdi on Mar 14, 2003 at 01:51 PM
thanks Courage, what about Marantz sr4300?
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: dexterc on Mar 14, 2003 at 01:54 PM
thanks Courage, what about Marantz sr4300?

Ask hyperaudio i think he has this model  ;D

Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Courage on Mar 14, 2003 at 01:55 PM
Marantz SR4300 15K++ at listening room in megamall. Saw that price last sunday
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: sgc_wdi on Mar 14, 2003 at 02:00 PM
thanks, laki ng difference ah, ok ba itong model na ito?

what about sr5300 and sr6300?

Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Courage on Mar 14, 2003 at 02:22 PM
thanks, laki ng difference ah, ok ba itong model na ito?

what about sr5300 and sr6300?



Bro,

If u want a Marantz receiver...u can contact Mr. Sonny Tuazon. I think available na for demo yung 4300 - 6300 at isa pa he can give u a very nice price.

Ive listened to the 4300 and 5300 ,  very nice receivers both for music and movies mura pa compared to other receivers tapos dami pang features. Check it out bro. Happy hunting.

Hope dis helps  ;D
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: sgc_wdi on Mar 14, 2003 at 02:31 PM
hey how does the HK5500 compare to the Yamaha RXV1300?
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Courage on Mar 14, 2003 at 02:51 PM
hey how does the HK5500 compare to the Yamaha RXV1300?

HK5500 is 34k and Yammy RXV1300 is also 34K.

Pare kung ganyan kalaki pera ko. ill choose the HK any time of the day kahit hindi pa sya 6.1 although 6.1/7.1 ready na sya.

Sa lahat nang receivers na na audition ko the HK is on top on Movies and Music. Wala kang talo sa HK5500 pare simply the best. ;)
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: sgc_wdi on Mar 14, 2003 at 03:36 PM
thanks, 85 watts lang pala ang HK5500?
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Courage on Mar 14, 2003 at 03:54 PM
thanks, 85 watts lang pala ang HK5500?

Yup pero continous yan bro..which means it will give 85 watts in any condition...yung iba kasi hindi continous ang pagbibigay nila nang power rating eh..they say minsan na 100 watts /ch pero pag all channels na ang dinadrive bumababa at hindi na 100 watts..

Yung sa HK 85 watts continous all channels driven..minsan mas mataas pa..so sigurado ka na 85 watts talaga yan..just imagin how loud ang 85 watts bro
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: jofkevski on Mar 14, 2003 at 04:00 PM
Your HK 5550 can give you as much as 125 watts of RMS power (stereo mode) - and clean at that.  - ENJOY!!!
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: bundy on Mar 14, 2003 at 07:38 PM
sgc_wdi why don't you try the NAD T752.  I would recommend auditioning it.  Its in the same price range as the HK5500 and Yamaha RXV1300.  It sells for P32k, is 6.1/7.1 ready, and is 80w x 5 channels.  In stereo its 90w.  It seems less than the HK and the Yamaha, but in recent reviews its been known to give atleast 92w per channel into 5 channels.  Both v0elker and I are happy with ours.  
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: sgc_wdi on Mar 14, 2003 at 09:00 PM
bundy thanks, I'll look into that as well...
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: john5479 on Mar 15, 2003 at 05:12 AM
I'll be also buying a NAD T752 too :)
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: bundy on Mar 15, 2003 at 12:45 PM
Good for you john5479  ;D
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: john5479 on Mar 15, 2003 at 07:34 PM
well...that now makes us 3 pinoydvd'ers with a NAD T752, bought my unit in spectra as well for less than 31k, matches well with my speakers  ;D It's a tossup for me between this receiver and the avr 5500, but since walang stock ng h/k 5500 and isa na lang yung natitira for the NAD kinuha ko na :) I have floorstanders for my fronts and will be having floorstanders for the back and all I can say is The Matrix, Eagles, Charlotte Church. The Fast and the furious  has never sounded so good with this receiver. My listening area has an open space on the right side but the sound seems always enclosed, feel mo talaga yung effects, very good separation. oh and this one was played at reference levels ;)
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: v0elker on Mar 16, 2003 at 07:41 AM
whoohoo! congrats john5479! i have a feeling this number will keep on growing!
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Superman on Mar 16, 2003 at 08:56 AM
guys...you won't go wrong with the NAD!!! kaya i'v decided not anymore to let go of my T-761!!! ;D
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: bundy on Mar 16, 2003 at 02:39 PM
john5479.... you're the other guy who has gonna get the 752 from Spectra  :)  I just went there yesterday and Jim said that the last unit was sold already.  He said you were supposed to get it on Sunday.  I guess you couldn't wait anymore.  Hehehe.  Congrats!!

What floorstanders do you use by the way?
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: john5479 on Mar 16, 2003 at 10:11 PM
bundy: I was going to buy it on the same day talaga, just wanted to confirm the price first  :) The floorstanders I use are custom made by nirvblakr's speaker guy, transmission line design and using just a 6 inch driver and silk dome tweeter, but can go down to 25 hz.  sounds clean when used with the NAD  ;D

I'll be selling this speaker and then have 2 pairs of floorstanders for the front and rear,92 db sensitivity I think. 4 1/2 midrange with a side firing subwoofer, custom made of course. match na match.
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: bundy on Mar 18, 2003 at 12:16 PM
That sounds like an interesting setup... floorstanders all around.  Unfortunately I can't go that way.  I only have a small room which can't accomodate the floor standers.  But I'm sure the NAD won't have any trouble powering your speakers.  One things for sure, I think the NAD will get the most out of your current setup.  Its got amps with the potential to bring out the best in any speaker.  I know its squeezing out everything my hand me down acoustimass can give.
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Courage on Mar 24, 2003 at 07:47 AM
I just upgrade again my set up and now own a NAD T752. So ilan na ba tatlo kayao na NAD users..so count me in...apat na tayo ehehehe..

I also bought it at spectra..meron pa silang dalawang stock nang T752 and to those who wanted the HK5500 meron pa silang 4 na stock

The best talaga ang NAD..all i can say is.."ang galing".
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: bundy on Mar 24, 2003 at 05:56 PM
Hey Courage, congrats!!!  Share naman ng reviews ng difference sa 1803  :)
Title: Best receiver among the 3--Denon 1803, Onkyo TX-SR600, Marantz SR4300
Post by: carlos888 on Mar 24, 2003 at 08:18 PM
Can you help me choose the best receiver among the three. Im planning to buy early next month, so your opinion will be greatly appreciated.

tnx!
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: john5479 on Mar 24, 2003 at 10:04 PM
courage welcome to the club hehe, the NAD drives the wharfs well, only the HK5500 comes close I guess. Pretty deceiving sa size since it is smaller than the hk5500 and marantz 5300 pero soundwise... ;D
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Courage on Mar 25, 2003 at 08:39 AM
Hey Courage, congrats!!!  Share naman ng reviews ng difference sa 1803  :)

Review.......hmmmm..para sa akin lang ito ha..coz i know there are many 1803 owners here..so sana wag kayo magagalit sa akin..this is just me..ibat iba tayo nang pandinig at ibat iba tayo nang speaker setup.

Its like i bought a brand new corolla then binenta ko dahil nakapag test drive ako nang BMW at binili ko rin after the test drive... ;D

i experience to own a Yamaha & Denon..the best ang NAD..just imagin pinaganda nya ang tunog nang Wharfdale 8.3 ko..nakakatulala yun ehehehe ;D
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Courage on Mar 25, 2003 at 08:41 AM
courage welcome to the club hehe, the NAD drives the wharfs well, only the HK5500 comes close I guess. Pretty deceiving sa size since it is smaller than the hk5500 and marantz 5300 pero soundwise... ;D

Oo nga pare..pinaganda nya ang tunog nang WHarf ko..at yun ang nag pahanga sa akin.

I agree..much smaller than HK and Maraantz pero putek ang bigatttttttttttttttt...pinagpawisan ako nang pag aakyat sa bahay. 3 stops bago ko nadala sa kwarto ehehehe
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: stradale on Mar 25, 2003 at 10:19 AM
Hey owners of NAD, Denon, Onkyo, Yamaha, HK, Marantz, and others na rin, how about staging an AVR shootout to determine once and for all which is the best sounding AVR around?  Mas Ok kung meron din iba- ibang speakers.  For starters, I can play host to a few of you at my home in BFH Paranaque (kasi small lang yung bahay ko :)).  Schedule na lang natin.  
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: banzai on Mar 25, 2003 at 12:12 PM
courage welcome to the club hehe, the NAD drives the wharfs well, only the HK5500 comes close I guess. Pretty deceiving sa size since it is smaller than the hk5500 and marantz 5300 pero soundwise... ;D

Oo nga pare..pinaganda nya ang tunog nang WHarf ko..at yun ang nag pahanga sa akin.

I agree..much smaller than HK and Maraantz pero putek ang bigatttttttttttttttt...pinagpawisan ako nang pag aakyat sa bahay. 3 stops bago ko nadala sa kwarto ehehehe

Courage, how heavy is the T752? I might need to buy a new A/V rack if it's really heavy.  I'm actually eyeing the T762 when I upgrade later in the year.
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Courage on Mar 25, 2003 at 01:25 PM
Its 16.3 so yakang yaka pa naman sigura yan nung Old rack mo..ako akala ko eh papalit din ako nang rack..pero kinaya pa rin eh ehehe
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: H a n $ on Mar 25, 2003 at 03:54 PM
Sir John & Courage,

Sir I agree with you regards to sound of Denon, Marantz, Yamaha versus NAD iba talaga... btw Just want to know what setting did you chose for your 8.3 small or large??? mine is NAD T742 and Mission M73i combo... still can't decided which is which... thanks sir kasi kahit san ko lagay ok pa rin sound but syempre want to know the proper setting to truly maximize hehehehe

Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Courage on Mar 25, 2003 at 04:27 PM
Hans,

I set all my speakers to small...since mahina naman ang bass nang 8.3...so sub na lang pinapagtrabaho. Kumusta tunog nang mission sa 742 mo? im planning to upgrade my speakers to 73i pag nag ka pera eh.
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: john5479 on Mar 26, 2003 at 12:57 AM
Its still best to set your speakers to large and just use 80hz as the cutoff although I set mine to 40 hz kasi my floorstanders can go low hehehe, I set the cutoff to 80 hz though pag action movies to add oomph, good thing you can set presets sa receiver so I can change them when I watch movies or listen to music  ;D

Sa receiver shootout, ok lang ako kasi I live in paranaque as well,  maganda kung matetest lahat ng magkakaprice-level: Marantz 5300, HK avr5500, Yamaha 1300 (30k range ba to?) Denon 2803 and NADT752, onkyo txsr700  
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: bundy on Mar 26, 2003 at 02:44 AM
Ok sa review Courage. hehehe.  Sana narinig ko din yung difference.  Di na ako nakapag audition ng Denon kasi dati.  Onkyo at Yamaha lang.  More than satisfied na kasi ako sa tunog ng NAD nung narinig ko.  Pati ang gaganda ng mga reviews, personal at professional.
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Courage on Mar 26, 2003 at 08:25 AM
Ok sa review Courage. hehehe.  Sana narinig ko din yung difference.  Di na ako nakapag audition ng Denon kasi dati.  Onkyo at Yamaha lang.  More than satisfied na kasi ako sa tunog ng NAD nung narinig ko.  Pati ang gaganda ng mga reviews, personal at professional.

Yup pare..galing talaga nang NAD  parang every minute eh paganda nang paganda ang tunog...Maganda sana ang manual eh kasi sosyal yung papel na ginamit kaya lang kulang kulang >:(

Tapos ok sana yung remote kasi learning na..kaya lang eh walang pre-set codes..paano yung CD player ko na nawala na ang remote :(
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: bundy on Mar 26, 2003 at 01:22 PM
Courage... Tama ka nga sa manual.  Ang ganda ng papel na ginamit pero ang dami kong tanong na hindi niya masagot, kasi kulang kulang.  Yung sa remote... sana nga may mga preset na codes para mas madali i-program at para sa mga nawawalang o sirang remote.
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Courage on Mar 26, 2003 at 01:28 PM
Courage... Tama ka nga sa manual.  Ang ganda ng papel na ginamit pero ang dami kong tanong na hindi niya masagot, kasi kulang kulang.  Yung sa remote... sana nga may mga preset na codes para mas madali i-program at para sa mga nawawalang o sirang remote.

Yup ako din...nung binuksan ko yung box tuwang tuwa ako kasi ang kapal nung manual...tapos dalawa..pa at ang ganda nung papel...yung medyo parang glossy putek nung binasa ko eh...sobrang kokonti nang info..kulang kulang mga explanation..unlike other manuals..na kumpleto from speaker connections hanggang sa pag gamit nang remote..as in detalyado..

Ni walang info kung paano i upgrade yung amp... >:( at 28 pages lang yung pwede monmg mabasa...
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: v0elker on Mar 26, 2003 at 04:09 PM
pre-set codes? actually, the remote contains some pre-set codes for other non-NAD equipment such as TVs, CDPs, etc. there's a small section sa manual which tells you how to search for the code that MIGHT work with your eqpt. indi nga lang comprehensive, so theres a chance na wala kang mahanap na preset that will work with a certain piece of kit.

upgrade ng amp? you mean additional amp for 6.1 or 7.1 use? i read some info on this in the first few pages, in the section where it describes the back panel ports/inputs/outputs. it briefly describes how you can add an external stereo amp to drive the sorround back or front left/right channels.
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Courage on Mar 26, 2003 at 04:47 PM
pre-set codes? actually, the remote contains some pre-set codes for other non-NAD equipment such as TVs, CDPs, etc. there's a small section sa manual which tells you how to search for the code that MIGHT work with your eqpt. indi nga lang comprehensive, so theres a chance na wala kang mahanap na preset that will work with a certain piece of kit.

upgrade ng amp? you mean additional amp for 6.1 or 7.1 use? i read some info on this in the first few pages, in the section where it describes the back panel ports/inputs/outputs. it briefly describes how you can add an external stereo amp to drive the sorround back or front left/right channels.

Yup i read about that kaya lang napaka simple nang explanation...mababaw...hindi katulad nung ibang manuals na talagang detailed yung explanation about connections from speakers to sources...
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: v0elker on Mar 29, 2003 at 08:06 AM
hmmm, rotel's website has an intro to HT and a guide to hooking up their equipment. maybe nad should make similar guides (for newbies and advanced users) available.
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: bunkieboy on Mar 29, 2003 at 11:00 AM
hmmm, rotel's website has an intro to HT and a guide to hooking up their equipment. maybe nad should make similar guides (for newbies and advanced users) available.


manufacturers should make their sites more buyer friendly so we can learn for ourselves product specs since we dont get intelligent answers from most of the local stores here when you ask them technical things.
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: redkoji on Mar 29, 2003 at 03:20 PM
hmmm, rotel's website has an intro to HT and a guide to hooking up their equipment. maybe nad should make similar guides (for newbies and advanced users) available.


In case you have technical questions regarding function, please write it to us para masagot ng amin Singapore office.

manufacturers should make their sites more buyer friendly so we can learn for ourselves product specs since we dont get intelligent answers from most of the local stores here when you ask them technical things.
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Courage on Mar 31, 2003 at 08:37 AM
hmmm, rotel's website has an intro to HT and a guide to hooking up their equipment. maybe nad should make similar guides (for newbies and advanced users) available.


In case you have technical questions regarding function, please write it to us para masagot ng amin Singapore office.

manufacturers should make their sites more buyer friendly so we can learn for ourselves product specs since we dont get intelligent answers from most of the local stores here when you ask them technical things.

redkoji,

Sir sent u a PM regarding NAD :)

Thanks
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Dracula on Mar 31, 2003 at 09:28 AM
Courage

Yung NAD na binili mo is 5.1 pa lang diba?  Very tempting kasi yung Marantz 4300 a very affordable 6.1 upgrade pero parang mas gusto ko mag harman kardon na 5.1 yung 2550 what would you suggest since nag 6.1 ka na with the denon then bumalik ka ng 5.1?
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Courage on Mar 31, 2003 at 09:40 AM
dracula

Actualy NAD T752 is 5.1 but it already has DD-EX and DTS - ES decoders unlike marantz and Denon or Onkyo na built in yung 6th amplifier..yung NAD eh hindi pa..thats why u need a separate amplifier para sa 6th (para 6.1) and 7th channel (if u ever wanted a 7.1).

I switch to NAD dahil para sa akin eh mas maganda sya tumunog sa mga na Audition ko(mas maganmda rin naman ang presyo eh ehehehe). My experience with NAD is great..every time na nood ako nang DVD eh..hindi ko na naiisip mag 6.1 eh...although buying an amp can make it 6.1/6.2 or 7.1/7.2..kung baga sa NAD kahit 5.1 pa lang eh makukuntento ka na..

at isa pa ang haba nang upgradability path nang NAD. Unlike nung yamaha ko dati which is also 5.1..habang buhay nang 5.1 yun...

ABouth harman.2550...DTS-ES na ba yun? is it also upgradable to 6.1 or 7.1?
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Dracula on Mar 31, 2003 at 09:51 AM
dracula

Actualy NAD T752 is 5.1 but it already has DD-EX and DTS - ES decoders unlike marantz and Denon or Onkyo na built in yung 6th amplifier..yung NAD eh hindi pa..thats why u need a separate amplifier para sa 6th (para 6.1) and 7th channel (if u ever wanted a 7.1).

I switch to NAD dahil para sa akin eh mas maganda sya tumunog sa mga na Audition ko(mas maganmda rin naman ang presyo eh ehehehe). My experience with NAD is great..every time na nood ako nang DVD eh..hindi ko na naiisip mag 6.1 eh...although buying an amp can make it 6.1/6.2 or 7.1/7.2..kung baga sa NAD kahit 5.1 pa lang eh makukuntento ka na..

at isa pa ang haba nang upgradability path nang NAD. Unlike nung yamaha ko dati which is also 5.1..habang buhay nang 5.1 yun...

ABouth harman.2550...DTS-ES na ba yun? is it also upgradable to 6.1 or 7.1?

5.1 na yata for life yung 2550....magakano ba damage mo sa NAD?
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Courage on Mar 31, 2003 at 09:57 AM
I bought NAD for 30k..plus tha fact na yung NAD na ang katabi ko sa pag tulog at hindi na si esmi ehehehehe...may nilagay na land mines si esmi papunta sa bedroom para di ako makapasok ehehehe ;D
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: john5479 on Apr 01, 2003 at 12:44 AM
mild complaint lang...bilis maubos ng batteries ng remote na kasama when I bought the NAD hehehe ;D buti na lang kala ko kasi sira remote ko :) oh well back to old reliable energizer.
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Courage on Apr 01, 2003 at 09:34 AM
mild complaint lang...bilis maubos ng batteries ng remote na kasama when I bought the NAD hehehe ;D buti na lang kala ko kasi sira remote ko :) oh well back to old reliable energizer.

Malakas kumunsumo kasi nang baterya yung backlight nung remote eh..though the remote is really cool though.. :) napapagkamalan nga nang anak ko na cell phone eh ehehehehe
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: H a n $ on Apr 01, 2003 at 02:24 PM
Courage,

Thanks for the reply... hehehhe pero I agree with John iba ang dating pag large ang setting adjust lang konti ng sub.. regards to manual correct kayo dyan limited yun info.

Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: H a n $ on Apr 01, 2003 at 02:28 PM
Courage,

As for Mission M73i / Nad T742 combo... IMHO pasok na pasok,  :D :D :D I also tried my diamond 8.1 and ok din sir.. pero i like mission / nad combo yun 8.1 ko ginawa ko surround.
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: bundy on Apr 01, 2003 at 02:56 PM
tama kayo sa remote ng NAD.  Medyo nagloloko na rin yung sa akin.  Mukhang kailangan ko na rin bumili ng Energizer.
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: H a n $ on Apr 01, 2003 at 04:48 PM
bundy,

Sir try mo rechargable battery look for Sanyo or GP brand yun metal hydride meron package battery and charger you can buy them at Handyman  
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Courage on Apr 03, 2003 at 08:56 AM
My remote started to act strangely kagabi..suspect battery... change the battery and ayus ok na ulit. I turned off the backlight para tumagal at di magastos sa battery
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Compaq on Apr 03, 2003 at 10:17 AM
Hey Courage,

Oks ba talaga ang NAD? "Upgrade Bug" is lurking inside of me...  ;D ... Besides, I think it's time to retire my old Yamaha receiver. (tsaka malapit na Mid-Year Bonus...  ;D).

Anyway, I will audition Marantz SR6300 next week. Na-compare mo na ba yung NAD 752 sa Marantz 6300? NAD pa rin ba (nevermind the features, just how they sound)?

Cheers!!!
Compaq

Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Superman on Apr 03, 2003 at 10:26 AM
hi compaq!

are you also an A-Audio enthusiast??? anyway, with your question...i would suggest you audition bouth the NAD and the Marantz...ako i've auditioned both...NAD kasi is an audiophile company (tama nga ba???)...my T-761 sounds better than the 6-channel denons and far better than the yammies (especially if you listen closely to the center channel speakers)...i would say that NAD is perfect for both 2-channel audio and HT...you'll never go wrong...

i've also had the pleasure of auditioning all the marantz models (4300, 5300 and 6300) at sonny tuazon's humble abode...was extremly amazed at how it drives "very difficult" speakers like b&w 805...the mission m52 was also amazing with this baby...well, this is also a great receiver...

again, your ears will determine what's best for you...as for me, 6.1 is not important yet because my NAD is upgradable to 7.1 (wow!!!!)...try the marantz...you'll hear what i mean...

let me know if you're interested with the marantz...will try to get a special price for you...just send an sms 0918-9284868...o ayan ha, may plugging pa...hehehehe!

enjoy!

superman  8)
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Courage on Apr 03, 2003 at 12:06 PM
Hey Courage,

Oks ba talaga ang NAD? "Upgrade Bug" is lurking inside of me...  ;D ... Besides, I think it's time to retire my old Yamaha receiver. (tsaka malapit na Mid-Year Bonus...  ;D).

Anyway, I will audition Marantz SR6300 next week. Na-compare mo na ba yung NAD 752 sa Marantz 6300? NAD pa rin ba (nevermind the features, just how they sound)?

Cheers!!!
Compaq



Pare I was able to audition the 5300 of marantz sa spectra using klipsch(tama ba spelling) speakers and wharfedale...then NAD T752 naman.. para sa akin panalo ang NAD..since sabi mo eh never mind the features eh.....

Kasi talagang kokonti ang features nang NAD..pero kung Sound quality music at HT ang habol mo in my opinion ill go with NAD.

Yesterday nasa spectra ulit ako at nakipag kwentuhan kay Jim..then tamang tama dumating yung nagpareserve nang Harman Kardon 5500 so we where able to A & B Harman 5500 at NAD T752 using again klispch speakers.... Grabe match na match yung dalawa in terms of quality from both music ang HT...hindi namin marinig ni Jim yung difference nung dalawa..kasi talagang hataw tumunog pareho..napapatulala nga yung mga tao dun sa tunog nang dalawang receivers.

We use Blade 2, Airforce 1 at Saving private ryan nung tinetesting namin ang galing. Ive heard other receivers at 30k price range(yamaha RXV1200, RXV1300, Onkyo TXSR700, Denon and Marantz) pero para sa akin the HK5500 is the one who can match the NAD T752 in terms of Sound performance in both HT and Music. Lamang lang ang harman sa features kasi may Zone 2 sya, Mas maraming DSP, May bulit in SPL yung remote but mas mahal sya nang 4.5k.

Sabi nga ni jim ang tamang match up eh

HK5500 and NAD T752
HK7500 and NAD T762(50k+)
HK8500 and the upcoming NAD T772
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Compaq on Apr 03, 2003 at 12:15 PM
Hi Superman,

Thanks for you input...

NAD and Rotel are among the "frequently-mentioned" brands that I encountered when I started researching on Audio/HiFi.

Not really an A-Audio enthusiast but I know Mel, he's a great guy (were you able to see his Bose 801/901 replica?). :)

By the way, i'm going to pair it to my 602s3 speakers.

Might visit Sonny this afternoon, see you around... :)

Cheers!!!
Compaq


Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: bundy on Apr 03, 2003 at 12:53 PM
Hans Adriane, thanks for the tip.  I just might check those batteries out.
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: sgc_wdi on Apr 03, 2003 at 01:54 PM
hi compaq!

are you also an A-Audio enthusiast??? anyway, with your question...i would suggest you audition bouth the NAD and the Marantz...ako i've auditioned both...NAD kasi is an audiophile company (tama nga ba???)...my T-761 sounds better than the 6-channel denons and far better than the yammies (especially if you listen closely to the center channel speakers)...i would say that NAD is perfect for both 2-channel audio and HT...you'll never go wrong...

i've also had the pleasure of auditioning all the marantz models (4300, 5300 and 6300) at sonny tuazon's humble abode...was extremly amazed at how it drives "very difficult" speakers like b&w 805...the mission m52 was also amazing with this baby...well, this is also a great receiver...

again, your ears will determine what's best for you...as for me, 6.1 is not important yet because my NAD is upgradable to 7.1 (wow!!!!)...try the marantz...you'll hear what i mean...

let me know if you're interested with the marantz...will try to get a special price for you...just send an sms 0918-9284868...o ayan ha, may plugging pa...hehehehe!

enjoy!

superman  8)

superman, ganyan talaga kaganda marantz? wow... so bakit mura siya compared sa ibang models?
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Compaq on Apr 03, 2003 at 02:06 PM
Hey Courage, thanks for the input...

You mentioned in the other thread that you already placed your order for a Marantz 6300, and then cancelled it. I assume it's because of NAD, right? Hmmmmm....

Anyway, might do a home audition of Marantz 6300 courtesy of our good friend Sonny. :) Sana pwede kong isabay yung NAD (paging redkoji :) ).

Cheers!!!
Compaq


Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: enygma on Apr 03, 2003 at 04:01 PM
from the time na nakuha ko iyung hk5500 sa archie audio, walang tigil na iyung panonood ko ng dvd. mas nagenjoy ako ngayon kaysa don sa previous receiver ko. mamaya paguwi ko, tingnan ko kung may bago akong mahihiram sa aca o video city. hehehehe sana meron para sulit na naman ang gabi ko..... ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Qman on Apr 03, 2003 at 04:29 PM
yap i agree nang magmula nang ma set up ko ang hk5500 ko maghapon akong nanonood average of 2-3 dvds kahit paulit ulit  specially iyong concert dvds... nakabasyon kasi kaya walang magawa he he he....  and pag nagsawa audio cd naman  ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: enygma on Apr 03, 2003 at 08:36 PM
yap i agree nang magmula nang ma set up ko ang hk5500 ko maghapon akong nanonood average of 2-3 dvds kahit paulit ulit  specially iyong concert dvds... nakabasyon kasi kaya walang magawa he he he....  and pag nagsawa audio cd naman  ;D ;D ;D



hehehehe pre, buti na lang nandito pa ako sa pinas and if ever matuloy ako finally diyan sa dubai, break-in na iyung hk5500 ko.  ;D ;D ;D imagine every night kahit may pasok ako kinabukasan nanonood pa rin ako ng dvd kahit mapuyat. great satisfaction talaga. di bale after a month balik ka naman ulit dito para magenjoy ulit sa hk mo with a brand new set of speakers maybe? hehehehehe
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: john5479 on Apr 03, 2003 at 10:16 PM
the nad t772 reportedly is 110w x 7, this should be one heavy receiver wonder what its features would be?  ;D
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: stradale on Apr 04, 2003 at 09:28 AM
Anyone knows when the NAD T762 will be available in the Philippines?  Whats the word by Spectra regarding the T762?
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Courage on Apr 04, 2003 at 09:41 AM
stradale,

i ask jim of spectra and wala pang date kung kelan ang dating..pero may idea na sila sa price nasa 50k++ daw
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: sgc_wdi on Apr 04, 2003 at 10:18 AM
anyone know any website for the hk5500? can't seem to find it sa official site nila na harmankardon.com eh... ano bang model number niya in the US?
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: ArchitecturalAudio on Apr 04, 2003 at 10:42 AM
sgc_wdi,

Here's harman kardon's international website:

http://international.harmankardon.com/products/?display=categories&language=ENGLISH

Should you have further questions about Harman Kardon products, please feel free to call us at 811-6715.

Regards,

Architectural Audio
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: enygma on Apr 04, 2003 at 11:16 AM
anyone know any website for the hk5500? can't seem to find it sa official site nila na harmankardon.com eh... ano bang model number niya in the US?

sgc_wdi,

AVR 520 ang us model niya.  :)



Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: sgc_wdi on Apr 04, 2003 at 11:22 AM
hey thanks enygma and architecturalaudio!

hmm, so is hk5500 85x5 or 75x5? some sites claim 85, while others including the official site claims it's 75wattsx5 channels?
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Philander on Apr 04, 2003 at 11:27 AM
hey thanks enygma and architecturalaudio!

hmm, so is hk5500 85x5 or 75x5? some sites claim 85, while others including the official site claims it's 75wattsx5 channels?

Its 85watts per channel (stereo mode, two channel driven at 8 Ohms).

And it 75 watts per channel (5ch mode, five channel surround mode at 8 ohms)
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: sgc_wdi on Apr 04, 2003 at 11:30 AM
I see... so even at 75 watts per channel in surround mode, I've read that it still produces great powerful sounds... what about if you add an amplifier for another 2 channels to make it 7.1, will it still sound as good?
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Philander on Apr 04, 2003 at 11:42 AM
Yes, because H/K uses HCC (High instantenous Current Capability) which is a Class A Amplifier.

HK 5500 can give you as much as 125 watts of RMS power (in stereo mode) - clean and without distortion.
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: sgc_wdi on Apr 04, 2003 at 12:08 PM
I see thanks... any idea how much an additional amplifier would cost to make the HK5500 6.1 or 7.1?
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Qman on Apr 04, 2003 at 12:13 PM
I see thanks... any idea how much an additional amplifier would cost to make the HK5500 6.1 or 7.1?
calling archie audio (nico or epoy) if this amp is available could you post or pm me the price.

tenx ;D
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: enygma on Apr 04, 2003 at 12:30 PM
I see thanks... any idea how much an additional amplifier would cost to make the HK5500 6.1 or 7.1?

if you want to an additonal amplifier to make the hk5500 6.1 or 7.1, you can use HK PA 2000 multichannel amplifier. you can make it 45W x 4 ,or 100W x 2 channels. it costs about 18k plus. i already seen it sa archie audio. tawagan mo na lang sila to inquire about this amplifier.  :)
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: sgc_wdi on Apr 04, 2003 at 12:40 PM
ic thanks... so that will make it 50k for the HK5500 to be 7.1... mahal! :)
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: enygma on Apr 04, 2003 at 01:09 PM
ic thanks... so that will make it 50k for the HK5500 to be 7.1... mahal! :)

if your room is ready for 6.1 or 7.1, just wait for HK AVR 525 and buy it. it's 7.1 already and i don't know it's european counterpart. i think the price would be the same as adding an additional amplifier to hk5500.  ;)
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Philander on Apr 04, 2003 at 01:13 PM
ic thanks... so that will make it 50k for the HK5500 to be 7.1... mahal! :)

Yes, pero maraming altenative el-cheapo good amplifier out in the market.

It ranges from 3000 to 12000.
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: sgc_wdi on Apr 04, 2003 at 01:41 PM
ic, thanks guys.... this makes the Yamaha 1300 more appealing... 6.1 at 34k... :)
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Courage on Apr 04, 2003 at 02:21 PM
ic, thanks guys.... this makes the Yamaha 1300 more appealing... 6.1 at 34k... :)

Yan ang una kong napag planuhang bilhin for 34k......but di natuloy..in which i end up with a much better amp.. 5.1 nga lang..but still no regrets :)
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: sgc_wdi on Apr 04, 2003 at 03:05 PM
ganon ba talaga kalaki ang difference between the Yamaha 1300 and the HK5500 and NAD T752? very noticeable ba siya?
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Courage on Apr 04, 2003 at 03:09 PM
ganon ba talaga kalaki ang difference between the Yamaha 1300 and the HK5500 and NAD T752? very noticeable ba siya?

Para sa akin yes...

Ang match talaga eh HK5500 at NAD T752...I heard the Yammy 1300 at Park Square..mas gusto ko talaga tunog nang HK at NAD..but again..its just me.
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: sgc_wdi on Apr 04, 2003 at 03:23 PM
ic thanks, sayang 5.1 lang silang dalawa...
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: dexterc on Apr 04, 2003 at 03:31 PM
ganon ba talaga kalaki ang difference between the Yamaha 1300 and the HK5500 and NAD T752? very noticeable ba siya?

Buddy,

all receivers have thier own characteristics in sound..its upto you kung ano ang magugustuhan mo.Tsaka its not only the receiver that matters...dapat complimented din sya ng right pair of speakers
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Qman on Apr 04, 2003 at 04:15 PM
ganon ba talaga kalaki ang difference between the Yamaha 1300 and the HK5500 and NAD T752? very noticeable ba siya?

Buddy,

all receivers have thier own characteristics in sound..its upto you kung ano ang magugustuhan mo.Tsaka its not only the receiver that matters...dapat complimented din sya ng right pair of speakers
yap i agree... i auditioned here in qatar a lower model of hk its 3000 and 2000 at naka match siya sa infinity speakers.... galeng ng tunog both on movies and audio... ;D
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: stradale on Apr 04, 2003 at 05:15 PM
I went to Spectra today and checked out the NAD T752 in action driving a pair of floorstanding Missions.  They were playing a DVD (that Zorro movie) for a customer so I didn't get to audition.  I wanted to try 2-channels with it sana.  Did it sound better than my setup at home?  Didn't seem like it but then the setup at Spectra is not ideal.  Walang listening room, ang daming tao, ma-ingay at generally magulo.

I wish we could organize an EB where we can compare the relative merits of our audio equipment.  That way, when we go out to buy audio gear, our choices can be based on real world audio performance rather than than hearsay.  

I am not saying for example that bro Courage's claims about his NAD are hearsay.  I've no doubt that his T752 is one kick ass receiver.  But is the difference in sonic performance worth the P10T price difference to an Onkyo TXS600 for example?  Baka naman OK yung NAD sa Missions pero talo siya ng Marantz when using Klipch.
Those kinds of questions and lot more can be settled once and for all if we stage these shootouts.  We can make or break the PinoyDVD reputations of these manufacturers and come out all the better for it as learned consumers.




 


Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Compaq on Apr 04, 2003 at 06:15 PM
HI Stradale,

What time? I was there too (lunch time). Was also checking out NAD T752, it was connected to a pair of Klipsch (spelling?), Klipsch din yung center.

Jim is so accommodating explaining some pointers to consider... Thanks man :)

But you're right stradale, medyo maingay ng konti dun sa shop. May nakasabay din kasi akong bumili ng DVD Player and they were testing it on the other side, which is just behind us. Was able to try it in stereo (2-channel) mode though, hindi ko pa masabi. Anyway, babalik na lang ako ulit some other time. I requested Jim to have it side-by-side with Marantz 6300 or 5300.

OT: Just when I was about to leave, may nag-test/audition ng magic mic (karaoke)... :) muntik na rin akong mapakanta...  ;D

Cheers!!!
Compaq
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: john5479 on Apr 04, 2003 at 07:32 PM
onkyo is also good, one of the factors that made be buy the NAD was its ability to drive speakers very well, if your room is not that big maybe you can just test the onkyo txsr600 and get some relatively high sensitivity speakers like klipsch, kasi the power rating drops when you use the 6 channels together. Sa setup ko nga, pinakamahal yung NAD na receiver, mas mahal pa siya sa total cost ko sa speakers hehehe. My reasoning is I want to get the best amp I can afford where I can get the most bang for my buck. I really don't need 6.1 or 7.1 for now due to room and money constraints but if ever I will at least the receiver I bought is ready for such a setup.

Its more of system matching, there are just combos of receivers and speaker brands that sound good together.
I bought the NAD not due to hearsay but based on its performance and how it matches well with my speakers, Previously I was using a marantz sr4200 and it sounded well with my speakers, but the sound was not as controlled when I tried the NAD. I've heard some NAD integrated amps before so I had an idea on how NAD amps sound (in a way I guess), and how they can drive speakers well.

SO the best way is to audition, if you can't audition the receiver from a certain store try to find one that will, so wala kang second thoughts, its time consuming but then again we're talking about your hard earned cash :) Plano ko nga dapat is to buy the pioneer vsx-2011 or denon 3803 which is around ~ 45k, ang gaganda ng features (really cool in my opinion)and the amps are quite better than the previous models they released, but
the cost is really hard on the wallet, although I really liked how they performed in movies, music was also ok, looks like pioneer is doing their homework...made in indonesia nga lang. So I just focused on what receiver gives the best sound quality and my choices were narrowed to the NAD and H/K, and the rest is history ;D
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: slowhand on Apr 04, 2003 at 09:55 PM
How about Sony?

Their Sony DA4ES receiver has gotten a lot of raves in various AV forums. Has anyone heard this? Is it available here?
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: nerveblocker on Apr 05, 2003 at 02:18 AM
It also depends on what you want to keep.  If you want to keep your speakers, then look for a receiver which will match well with your existing speakers.  

If you want to keep your receiver, then go look for speakers which will match well with your receiver.

There is no right or wrong here.  It all boils down to personal satisfaction.   ;)  
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Dracula on Apr 05, 2003 at 09:35 AM
How does the NAD T752 work? sabi kasi ni courage 5.1 pero easily upgradeable to 6 or 7.1 does this mean that it already has the decoder for dd-ex and dts-es you just have to add the amplifiers for the extra channels? ???
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: john5479 on Apr 05, 2003 at 01:28 PM
dracula-yup it can decode dd-ex and dts-es, you just need to add an extra amp. plus if you want to work with two subs for your HT it has two subouts. NAD's idea here was to cram the most power without sacrificing much in terms of sound quality kaya they opted for 5 channels for this receiver. The T762 should be another story since it has 6 channels at 100 watts each.
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: stradale on Apr 05, 2003 at 02:37 PM
HI Stradale,

What time? I was there too (lunch time). Was also checking out NAD T752, it was connected to a pair of Klipsch (spelling?), Klipsch din yung center.


Compaq,

I was there at lunchtime too :D.  Ikaw pala yon.  The one talking to the store guy.  Di tuloy ako naka-singit ;).  Akala ko yung Missions ang dina-drive, yung Klipch pala.  I was the guy who checked out the manual.
Nice manual too.

So how did you find it?  Bibili ka na ba bro Compaq?  Made in China pala yung mga NADs sa Spectra.  OK lang kaya yon?


Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: john5479 on Apr 05, 2003 at 09:28 PM
Actually most of NAD's amps are made in china to save cost, yan din ang iniisip ko when I bought it, pero since may warranty, try ko na din..ok naman so far hehe
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: H a n $ on Apr 06, 2003 at 12:42 PM
Sir,

How much yun HK 5500 at spectra?? baka might change my AVR  ??? ???
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: sgc_wdi on Apr 06, 2003 at 09:26 PM
I think 34k from earlier posts on this thread, not sure if it's still the same
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: john5479 on Apr 06, 2003 at 10:07 PM
yup 34k, made in china din but very reliable..wala pa namang complaints about the hk 5500, audition it  ;) ;D
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Qman on Apr 06, 2003 at 10:10 PM
actually it's 34.5K to be exact.. (cash price) try to audition sa archie audio okey iyon sina nico at epoy....  

very helpful and honest sa kanilang product. :D
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Compaq on Apr 08, 2003 at 04:10 PM

Compaq,

I was there at lunchtime too :D.  Ikaw pala yon.  The one talking to the store guy.  Di tuloy ako naka-singit ;).  Akala ko yung Missions ang dina-drive, yung Klipch pala.  I was the guy who checked out the manual.
Nice manual too.

So how did you find it?  Bibili ka na ba bro Compaq?  Made in China pala yung mga NADs sa Spectra.  OK lang kaya yon?

Stradale, hindi ka ba makasingit..  ;D  Pasensiya ka na ha, medyo kinukulit ko kasi si Jim, at the same time, masipag din siya mag-explain.

Yang kasing si Jim, na-meet ko na before kaya lang sa ibang tindahan ...  ;D kaya medyo napakwento ng konti.

Need more time bro, babalik-balikan ko siguro and beside, kailangan ko munang ibenta yung 2 1/2-year old na Yamaha ko. :)

Cheers!!!
Compaq
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: stradale on Apr 09, 2003 at 05:05 PM
No problemo bro Compaq.  I too am interested in the NAD but only if it improves by a clear margin upon the 2-channel sound of my current 6.1 Yamaha AVR will I consider buying it. I'll probably ask them to A-B the NAD with the RXV's they also have in there.
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: H a n $ on Apr 09, 2003 at 02:59 PM
Just confirm with Jim a while ago (lunch time) 34K daw last for HK5500... Thanks Jim very accomodating nga  ;D ;D
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Courage on Apr 09, 2003 at 03:25 PM
Just confirm with Jim a while ago (lunch time) 34K daw last for HK5500... Thanks Jim very accomodating nga  ;D ;D

Very accomodating talaga yang si Jim..oks na oks yan ka deal....dami din nyang kwento about amps
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: H a n $ on Apr 09, 2003 at 04:22 PM
Courage

send you pm sirr
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Courage on Apr 09, 2003 at 04:52 PM
Hans,

Pare sent u a pm also
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: sgc_wdi on Apr 10, 2003 at 11:50 AM
I might buy na a new receiver na next week, am thinking between Yamaha RX-V1300 and HK5500... leaning towards the Yammy because 6.1 ready na siya agad, no need for an additional amplifier... hirap mag decide!  ???
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: bunkieboy on Apr 10, 2003 at 12:11 PM
good choice bro. why not check out also the denon 2803? great specs on that receiver
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: enygma on Apr 10, 2003 at 12:17 PM
I might buy na a new receiver na next week, am thinking between Yamaha RX-V1300 and HK5500... leaning towards the Yammy because 6.1 ready na siya agad, no need for an additional amplifier... hirap mag decide!  ???

between a yamaha and harman, i would go for harman anytime of the day. although 5.1 lang ang hk5500, ang laki ng difference niya when it comes to sound mapa-ht man o music. yamaha user din ako before and when it comes to ht, you wouldn't go wrong with a yamaha. but once na narinig ko na iyung harman (in ht esp. to music), the rest is history. i'm a proud owner of hk5500.  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: sgc_wdi on Apr 10, 2003 at 12:21 PM
bunkieboy, how much yung denon 2803?

enygma, HT wise, ano mas maganda tumunog? will be using my HT for about 95% of the time.... very seldom lang ako nakikinig ng music...

anyway, I've read consumer reviews din on Yamaha RX-V1300, and almost all of them said the Yamaha sounded very nice in both movie and music... kung 6.1 lang agad yung HK, I'd probably choose it na agad... kaya lang gastos uli for an additional amplifier to get 6.1...
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: enygma on Apr 10, 2003 at 12:37 PM

enygma, HT wise, ano mas maganda tumunog? will be using my HT for about 95% of the time.... very seldom lang ako nakikinig ng music...

anyway, I've read consumer reviews din on Yamaha RX-V1300, and almost all of them said the Yamaha sounded very nice in both movie and music... kung 6.1 lang agad yung HK, I'd probably choose it na agad... kaya lang gastos uli for an additional amplifier to get 6.1...
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if you will be listening to ht most of the time, patok na patok na iyung yamaha sa iyo. have you audition already the hk5500 and yamaha 1300? nasabi mo kasi na maganda ang review ng yamaha sa consumer review but then again let your ears decide. when i bought my yamaha 496 (entry level), nagbased talaga ako sa audio review kasi ang taas ng rating na binigay sa kanya. di nako nagaudition pa ng iba. and nung nasa akin na ang unit, napansin ko na parang may di tama sa tunog ng yamaha ko. huli ko na nabasa na yamaha are known to be bright, matining sa tenga. oks ito sa movies but sa music, di mo talaga matatagalan iyung tunog niya. maybe sa higher models ng yamaha like the 1300, may malaking improvement na rin when it comes to music. napansin ko lang sa harman when it comes to music or ht, "sweet" sounding siya. kaya nga when i auditioned it with a denon 1803, kahit 10k more ang difference niya, di nako nagdalawang isip. i even waited for 1 month dahil wala ng stock ng hk5500 nung mga time na iyon. i can say na sulit naman ang pagaantay ko. basta pre wag kang mahiyang magpa-audition dahil you will be investing a lot of money whether you buy the 1300 or 5500. if you want to audition the hk5500, try mo sa archie audio. kahit abutin ka ng isang oras sa audition doon walang problema. oks na oks sina nico at epoy. kung yamaha naman, marami ka namang mapapagpilian from home theater to listening in mega or shangrila. happy hunting!!!  :D
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: sgc_wdi on Apr 10, 2003 at 12:42 PM
thanks enygma, sige I'll try to audition them both... actually I'm currently using an old Yamaha model na.. ok naman sa akin yung sound... I have not heard other receivers except for the Denon 1803... but I'll try to listen to audition them both...
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: dexterc on Apr 10, 2003 at 12:50 PM
I might buy na a new receiver na next week, am thinking between Yamaha RX-V1300 and HK5500... leaning towards the Yammy because 6.1 ready na siya agad, no need for an additional amplifier... hirap mag decide!  ???
Set your conditions and what you want para di ka mahirapan bro. If you are into movies and satisfied with the musicality of yam and want a 6.1 Ready amp...go for yam 1300...if you are into music and HT but not necessarili 6.1 and just ok to spend another 10 to 15 grand for additional amps to make it 6.1/7.1 go for HK 5500

Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: dexterc on Apr 10, 2003 at 12:51 PM
I might buy na a new receiver na next week, am thinking between Yamaha RX-V1300 and HK5500... leaning towards the Yammy because 6.1 ready na siya agad, no need for an additional amplifier... hirap mag decide!  ???

Set your conditions and what you want para di ka mahirapan bro. If you are into movies and satisfied with the musicality of yam and  want a 6.1 Ready amp...go for yam 1300...if you are into music and HT but not necessarili 6.1 and just ok to spend another 10 to 15 grand for additional amps to make it 6.1/7.1 go for HK 5500


Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: murcielago on Apr 10, 2003 at 01:07 PM
95% of the time for movies?  Get the Yammie. ;)  Can't go wrong there.  Also the 1300 is an entirely different class from the old 496.
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: H a n $ on Apr 10, 2003 at 01:08 PM
sgc_wdi,

Sir better audition both especially dun sa speaker na gamit mo kasi minsan matching lang din ako before Yamaha 620 gamit I was suppose to buy Denon 6.1 but after hearing NAD 5.1 iba na gusto ko sir.. have also audition Hk5500 kaso over na sa budget ko hehehe  
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: sgc_wdi on Apr 10, 2003 at 01:49 PM
thanks guys...

dexterc, if I were to set my conditions, I'd go for the Yammy, kasi 6.1 ready na siya eh... and mostly for HT use lang ako...

hans, anong denon 6.1 ang tinatarget mo dati before mo nagustuhan yung NAD?
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: bunkieboy on Apr 10, 2003 at 01:49 PM
bunkieboy, how much yung denon 2803?

enygma, HT wise, ano mas maganda tumunog? will be using my HT for about 95% of the time.... very seldom lang ako nakikinig ng music...

anyway, I've read consumer reviews din on Yamaha RX-V1300, and almost all of them said the Yamaha sounded very nice in both movie and music... kung 6.1 lang agad yung HK, I'd probably choose it na agad... kaya lang gastos uli for an additional amplifier to get 6.1...

sorry not too sure about the price. i would think though that its a little bit over the price of the 1803 which is like P23K plus.

in comparing hk and yamy. a lot say that yamys are awesome for movies. i have also read thought that they tend to be bright and should be matched with the right speaker. since the hk is only 5.1, i would go for the yamy. in a months time i am sure you will be wondering what 6.1 sounds like if you got the hk. but why not check out the 6.1v model of the hk too
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: sgc_wdi on Apr 11, 2003 at 11:40 AM
thanks bunkieboy... anong model ng HK meron 6.1 na agad?
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Courage on Apr 11, 2003 at 12:52 PM
thanks bunkieboy... anong model ng HK meron 6.1 na agad?

HK5550 eh 7.1 na...siguradong ang mahal nito
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Qman on Apr 11, 2003 at 03:16 PM
HK5550 :D

sabi sa kabilang thread ni enygma, almost 60k sa archie audio nag inquire siya
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: enygma on Apr 11, 2003 at 09:52 PM
sgc_wdi

pre, still undecided on what receiver to buy? audition na kaagad sa mga receivers na pagpipilian mo. but be sure dala mo na iyung pera mo dahil sigurado ako lilinaw na talaga kung ano ang bibilhin mo. ok lang sana kung yamaha, marantz, denon etc. maraming dealer na mabibilhan pero if you go for nad and harman, there's a chance na baka magpareserve ka just like me. konti lang kasi ang order nila because they want to be sure na maubos muna ang stocks nila bago kumuha ng bagong order.  ;D ang hirap maghintay din kala ko nung una madali lang. hehehehe
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Qman on Apr 11, 2003 at 09:56 PM
sgc_wdi

pre, still undecided on what receiver to buy? audition na kaagad sa mga receivers na pagpipilian mo. but be sure dala mo na iyung pera mo dahil sigurado ako lilinaw na talaga kung ano ang bibilhin mo. ok lang sana kung yamaha, marantz, denon etc. maraming dealer na mabibilhan pero if you go for nad and harman, there's a chance na baka magpareserve ka just like me. konti lang kasi ang order nila because they want to be sure na maubos muna ang stocks nila bago kumuha ng bagong order.  ;D ang hirap maghintay din kala ko nung una madali lang. hehehehe

I second demotion ;D  matagal din ang hinintay ko pero mas matagal si enygma ;D ;D
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: enygma on Apr 11, 2003 at 10:00 PM
I second demotion ;D  matagal din ang hinintay ko pero mas matagal si enygma ;D ;D
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pre, may rotel ba diyan sa dubai? if yes, have you tried it? puro kasi harman na lang naririnig ko sa iyo eh. hehehehe  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Qman on Apr 11, 2003 at 10:05 PM
malamang sa dubai may rotel kumpleto roon open country yon... pro dito sa Qatar Harman lang nakita ko pro limited pa marami dito Pioneer, Sansui, Sony Receiver.  They consider kasing High End (Up UP) ang HK dito kya di mabili dahil mahal.

Pro me nakita ko ritong mga nakabalagbag na lumang tube amps, iniimbestigahan ko pa  :D  Post ko roon sa kabilang thread.  baka ma warningan ako ng MODs off topic na ;D
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: enygma on Apr 11, 2003 at 10:10 PM
malamang sa dubai may rotel kumpleto roon open country yon... pro dito sa Qatar Harman lang nakita ko pro limited pa marami dito Pioneer, Sansui, Sony Receiver.  They consider kasing High End (Up UP) ang HK dito kya di mabili dahil mahal.

Pro me nakita ko ritong mga nakabalagbag na lumang tube amps, iniimbestigahan ko pa  :D  Post ko roon sa kabilang thread.  baka ma warningan ako ng MODs off topic na ;D

thanks. may sansui pa pala diyan sa qatar. are these sansui, iyung mga classic ones? baka may makita ka diyan na collectors item. sayang din iyon dahil bigatin ang sansui dati.  :)
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Qman on Apr 11, 2003 at 10:25 PM
Wasn't able to check and auditioned the sansui dahil nang makarating ako sa distributor/retailer eh pasara na sila.  (nagtagal kasi ako sa Harman eh ;D).

Pro pagbaba ko sa pampang, definitely ma-aauditioned ko yon and will post the findings (kala mo me alam sa receiver eh ;D).

I remember may sansui ka pala :D
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: enygma on Apr 11, 2003 at 10:30 PM
Wasn't able to check and auditioned the sansui dahil nang makarating ako sa distributor/retailer eh pasara na sila.  (nagtagal kasi ako sa Harman eh ;D).

Pro pagbaba ko sa pampang, definitely ma-aauditioned ko yon and will post the findings (kala mo me alam sa receiver eh ;D).

I remember may sansui ka pala :D


if ever iyun yung mga classic ones, well kumuha ka na dahil di ka magsisisi.  ;D



Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: john5479 on Apr 11, 2003 at 10:35 PM
yeah lalo na yung wood yung sides and in mint condition.... :P hehehe, Yung sansui na nakita ko sa pier ok sana kaso me tama na yung wood panel.
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: enygma on Apr 11, 2003 at 10:40 PM
i've read the history of sansui at very interesting ang product nila before they decided to make those classic receivers. transformers. hehehe we all know that the quality of sound coming from our receiver or amplifiers depends on the quality of transformer. and i'm sure siguradong high current din ang mga iyon just like most of the receivers of today.  :)
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Qman on Apr 11, 2003 at 10:53 PM
sa totoo lang sa tagal ko sa middle east di pako nakakita ng sansui receiver eh puro mini component early 90s payon.

sa mga sinasabi nyo you made me curious.....  ;D
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: sgc_wdi on Apr 12, 2003 at 09:16 AM
I'll audition both HK and Yamaha later.. but I'm still leaning towards the Yamaha, primarily because 6.1 ready na siya and I'll be using it for movies mostly... :)

sgc_wdi

pre, still undecided on what receiver to buy? audition na kaagad sa mga receivers na pagpipilian mo. but be sure dala mo na iyung pera mo dahil sigurado ako lilinaw na talaga kung ano ang bibilhin mo. ok lang sana kung yamaha, marantz, denon etc. maraming dealer na mabibilhan pero if you go for nad and harman, there's a chance na baka magpareserve ka just like me. konti lang kasi ang order nila because they want to be sure na maubos muna ang stocks nila bago kumuha ng bagong order.  ;D ang hirap maghintay din kala ko nung una madali lang. hehehehe
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Courage on Apr 12, 2003 at 09:23 AM
I'll audition both HK and Yamaha later.. but I'm still leaning towards the Yamaha, primarily because 6.1 ready na siya and I'll be using it for movies mostly... :)

sgc_wdi

pre, still undecided on what receiver to buy? audition na kaagad sa mga receivers na pagpipilian mo. but be sure dala mo na iyung pera mo dahil sigurado ako lilinaw na talaga kung ano ang bibilhin mo. ok lang sana kung yamaha, marantz, denon etc. maraming dealer na mabibilhan pero if you go for nad and harman, there's a chance na baka magpareserve ka just like me. konti lang kasi ang order nila because they want to be sure na maubos muna ang stocks nila bago kumuha ng bagong order.  ;D ang hirap maghintay din kala ko nung una madali lang. hehehehe

Ayos ang yamaha bro. solid ang amp na yan. Di ka magsisisi. If ill choose between Yamaha, Denon and Onkyo..ill go with the yamaha any time of the day
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: enygma on Apr 12, 2003 at 09:26 AM

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Ayos ang yamaha bro. solid ang amp na yan. Di ka magsisisi. If ill choose between Yamaha, Denon and Onkyo..ill go with the yamaha any time of the day
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NAD lang talaga ang nakapagpabago ng isip at laman ng bulsa mo. hahaha  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Courage on Apr 12, 2003 at 09:38 AM

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Ayos ang yamaha bro. solid ang amp na yan. Di ka magsisisi. If ill choose between Yamaha, Denon and Onkyo..ill go with the yamaha any time of the day
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NAD lang talaga ang nakapagpabago ng isip at laman ng bulsa mo. hahaha  ;D ;D ;D


Ehehehe...if i choose NAD against the 3..sa NAD ako syempre...
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Courage on Apr 12, 2003 at 09:40 AM
Does anybody knows kung anong Power consumption nang NAD T752? at anong standby power consumption nya? hindi kasi nakalagay sa manual eh.
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: murcielago on Apr 12, 2003 at 12:20 PM
I think AVRs are primarily intended for HT talaga. Even those AVRs that are supposedly good for stereo (e.g. NAD, HK, Denon) just won't make the cut (parang Masters ito ah ;)) compared to any entry level audiophile stereo setup (excepting of course some really high-end AVRs like Lexicon and Tag McLaren for example).    

So with that in mind, I'd get an AVR with top notch HT performance.  Then I'd start saving up for a 2nd setup dedicated to music.  An integrated amp from Rotel, Musical Fidelity, Arcam, or even NAD plus a really good CD player would do. You can also go on a tube gear odyssey if you are so inclined.
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Qman on Apr 12, 2003 at 12:22 PM
I think AVRs are primarily intended for HT talaga. Even those AVRs that are supposedly good for stereo (e.g. NAD, HK, Denon) just won't make the cut (parang Masters ito ah ;)) compared to any entry level audiophile stereo setup (excepting of course some really high-end AVRs like Lexicon and Tag McLaren for example).    

So with that in mind, I'd get an AVR with top notch HT performance.  Then I'd start saving up for a 2nd setup dedicated to music.  An integrated amp from Rotel, Musical Fidelity, Arcam, or even NAD plus a really good CD player would do. You can also go on a tube gear odyssey if you are so inclined.

murcielago,

any idea the prices of tube there sa pinas?
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: murcielago on Apr 12, 2003 at 12:31 PM
You can find lots of those for sale at hyperaudio's.  A really popular tube amp among PDVD members is the Dynaco ST70.  I saw a thread by hyperaudio selling a series 2 model of this amp for P 26-thou.  But I think the series 1 is the more coveted one which probably makes it more expensive.  I'm not really into tube gear so I can't tell you more than you can read elsewhere in this forum. :)
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Qman on Apr 12, 2003 at 12:59 PM
You can find lots of those for sale at hyperaudio's.  A really popular tube amp among PDVD members is the Dynaco ST70.  I saw a thread by hyperaudio selling a series 2 model of this amp for P 26-thou.  But I think the series 1 is the more coveted one which probably makes it more expensive.  I'm not really into tube gear so I can't tell you more than you can read elsewhere in this forum. :)

tenx :D
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: john5479 on Apr 13, 2003 at 01:56 AM
Back to the topic: here is a good reference in regards to actual power given in 5 or 6 channels.

http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Hollow/3401/ratevsac.htm
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: enygma on Apr 13, 2003 at 08:25 AM
Back to the topic: here is a good reference in regards to actual power given in 5 or 6 channels.

http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Hollow/3401/ratevsac.htm

it seems that only 3 manufacturers (rotel,nad and harman) are honest in their power ratings (all channels driven). kaya it's ok to invest more money in these receivers because di naso-shorchanged ang mga consumers tulad natin.  :)
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: john5479 on Apr 13, 2003 at 09:35 AM
yup isnt it a wonder that the posted power ratings is actually higher when all channels are driven for these three receivers? hehe
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: enygma on Apr 13, 2003 at 10:53 AM
kapag nakita kasi ng mga consumer ang mga ito especially iyung mga first timer, bibili kaagad sila nito dahil bukod sa mura siya, ang laki pa ng power rating niya. actually, when i first saw the power rating of a harman receiver in sm city (i think it's avr-4000), naging curious ako because for a 40-50 watter receiver, it costs almost 30k when in fact i can buy a receiver na 100W for that price. when i bought my first receiver in listening room (a yamaha), may nagtanong na customer kung may harman sila. sabi ng saleslady, sa may 5th floor daw iyung nagtitinda ng mga harman. sabi ko sa sarili ko that time, sobra namang mahal ng receiver na tinatanong nito. nagsisimula pa lang ako sa HT that time. and because of pinoy dvd and the internet, i now understand kung bakit ganon kaexpensive ang harman (nad and rotel also) compare to other receivers. we want power so they give us what we want without shortchanging us. and siempre the rest is history. i'm a proud owner of harman (hk5500).  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: JoP on Apr 13, 2003 at 11:34 AM
Pwede po bang humingi ng suggestion or recommedation about this receiver Kenwood 5060d / Yamaha vx430, ano po ba ang masmaganda? or do you have any other receiver to recommend that falls at this price.

Kenwood 506 = P25k with 5.1 X 100 speaker and sub
Yamaha vx430 = P15k without speaker.

Thanks
Title: Harman Kardon, Marantz or Onkyo receivers?
Post by: james16 on Apr 14, 2003 at 01:10 AM
Hey guys,

I hope that you could help me out in matching my mission M72i speakers and kenwood center,surround speakers and subwoofer (soon to replace) with any of these receivers I'm choosing:

Onkyo SR500
Marantz SR4300
Harman Kardon AVR2550
Denon 1603 or 1803

I'm really more concerned of the quality of sound for both music and movies (50/50), features are not that important but budget (Php 20,00) is a big concern and our sala room is about 35x20 ft. Watching movies, I tend to listen as loud as the moviehouses. Will any of the models be enough to fill our room?

Any suggestions guys is highly appreciated.

Thank you.
Title: Re:Harman Kardon, Marantz or Onkyo receivers?
Post by: T-Rex on Apr 14, 2003 at 09:03 AM
Hello  :)

Sent you a pm.

Cheers
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: sgc_wdi on Apr 14, 2003 at 10:46 AM

Ayos ang yamaha bro. solid ang amp na yan. Di ka magsisisi. If ill choose between Yamaha, Denon and Onkyo..ill go with the yamaha any time of the day

thanks Courage, I bought the Yamaha RXV-1300 na last saturday, have not played with it that much yet, pero na test ko na rin sa bahay, very satisfied with the quality and finally I can play DTS na rin! :)
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: dexterc on Apr 14, 2003 at 10:48 AM

Ayos ang yamaha bro. solid ang amp na yan. Di ka magsisisi. If ill choose between Yamaha, Denon and Onkyo..ill go with the yamaha any time of the day

thanks Courage, I bought the Yamaha RXV-1300 na last saturday, have not played with it that much yet, pero na test ko na rin sa bahay, very satisfied with the quality and finally I can play DTS na rin! :)

Congrats sa new toy mo  ;) Post your reviews pag na break in mo na..he!!he!!
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Courage on Apr 14, 2003 at 10:55 AM

Ayos ang yamaha bro. solid ang amp na yan. Di ka magsisisi. If ill choose between Yamaha, Denon and Onkyo..ill go with the yamaha any time of the day

thanks Courage, I bought the Yamaha RXV-1300 na last saturday, have not played with it that much yet, pero na test ko na rin sa bahay, very satisfied with the quality and finally I can play DTS na rin! :)

Oy pare congrats..ehehehe....di ka mag sisisi dyan....ayos ang yamaha..yan actually ang 1st choice ko...

Just give us a review para naman sa ibang members naghahangad nang 1300..
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: sgc_wdi on Apr 14, 2003 at 11:07 AM
thanks dexterc and courage, hindi siguro ako qualified mag review technical wise, hehe, pero after I break it in I'll post siguro what I like and what I don't like about it... :)
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Courage on Apr 14, 2003 at 11:09 AM
thanks dexterc and courage, hindi siguro ako qualified mag review technical wise, hehe, pero after I break it in I'll post siguro what I like and what I don't like about it... :)

Ehehehe siguradong mag eenjoy ka dyan.....ang yamaha kahit DD or DTS ang pumapasok na signal..pwede kang mag palit nang DSP...thats kewllll :)
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: sgc_wdi on Apr 14, 2003 at 11:48 AM
o nga eh, hindi ko pa na try yung mga DSPs, so far DTS and DD palang na enhanced nasubukan ko... :)
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: av_phile on Apr 14, 2003 at 12:19 PM
I have my suspicions and could be wrong, but perhaps you guys can help me out.  I've seen a 7.1 Pioneer VSX-D811S HT receiver rated at 6 x 100 watts continuous into 8 ohms. (not in rms)  That's a total of 600 watts for all channels.  How can that be when its electric power consumption indicated at the back is only 280 watts?  Is there a relationshipo between the two?  Contrast this with a Rotel RMB1066 6-ch main amplifer  rated at only 6 x 60 watts rms continuous.  It has a power consumption of 700 watts.  Does that mean one is more efficient than the other?
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Courage on Apr 14, 2003 at 12:32 PM
I have my suspicions and could be wrong, but perhaps you guys can help me out.  I've seen a 7.1 Pioneer VSX-D811S HT receiver rated at 6 x 100 watts continuous into 8 ohms. (not in rms)  That's a total of 600 watts for all channels.  How can that be when its electric power consumption indicated at the back is only 280 watts?  Is there a relationshipo between the two?  Contrast this with a Rotel RMB1066 6-ch main amplifer  rated at only 6 x 60 watts rms continuous.  It has a power consumption of 700 watts.  Does that mean one is more efficient than the other?


Ito yung sinasabi nila dito na manufacturers overrate their product kasi nga pang attract nang consumers..so kung wala ka masyadong alam about it eh talagang maeenganyo kang bumili
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: av_phile on Apr 14, 2003 at 01:59 PM
I have my suspicions and could be wrong, but perhaps you guys can help me out.  I've seen a 7.1 Pioneer VSX-D811S HT receiver rated at 6 x 100 watts continuous into 8 ohms. (not in rms)  That's a total of 600 watts for all channels.  How can that be when its electric power consumption indicated at the back is only 280 watts?  Is there a relationshipo between the two?  Contrast this with a Rotel RMB1066 6-ch main amplifer  rated at only 6 x 60 watts rms continuous.  It has a power consumption of 700 watts.  Does that mean one is more efficient than the other?


Ito yung sinasabi nila dito na manufacturers overrate their product kasi nga pang attract nang consumers..so kung wala ka masyadong alam about it eh talagang maeenganyo kang bumili

Thanks Courage.  So Pioneer is one of those manufacturers that are less than honest in claiming tech specs.  But if you look at their THD spec, Pioneer seems quite fortright in printing a 1% distortion at rated output.  As an audiophile (at least I hope I am),  I find that spec a turn-off considering that competing brands are in the range of  0.05% THD at rated outs.  It would seem they are honest in one area and not with others.
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Courage on Apr 14, 2003 at 02:05 PM
I have my suspicions and could be wrong, but perhaps you guys can help me out.  I've seen a 7.1 Pioneer VSX-D811S HT receiver rated at 6 x 100 watts continuous into 8 ohms. (not in rms)  That's a total of 600 watts for all channels.  How can that be when its electric power consumption indicated at the back is only 280 watts?  Is there a relationshipo between the two?  Contrast this with a Rotel RMB1066 6-ch main amplifer  rated at only 6 x 60 watts rms continuous.  It has a power consumption of 700 watts.  Does that mean one is more efficient than the other?


Ito yung sinasabi nila dito na manufacturers overrate their product kasi nga pang attract nang consumers..so kung wala ka masyadong alam about it eh talagang maeenganyo kang bumili

Thanks Courage.  So Pioneer is one of those manufacturers that are less than honest in claiming tech specs.  But if you look at their THD spec, Pioneer seems quite fortright in printing a 1% distortion at rated output.  As an audiophile (at least I hope I am),  I find that spec a turn-off considering that competing brands are in the range of  0.05% THD at rated outs.  It would seem they are honest in one area and not with others.


Buti nga hindi PMPO ang ginamit nila eh... i saw other pioneer products rated their equipment in PMPO....
Title: Re:Harman Kardon, Marantz or Onkyo receivers?
Post by: Philander on Apr 14, 2003 at 03:47 PM
Hey guys,

I hope that you could help me out in matching my mission M72i speakers and kenwood center,surround speakers and subwoofer (soon to replace) with any of these receivers I'm choosing:

Onkyo SR500
Marantz SR4300
Harman Kardon AVR2550
Denon 1603 or 1803

I'm really more concerned of the quality of sound for both music and movies (50/50), features are not that important but budget (Php 20,00) is a big concern and our sala room is about 35x20 ft. Watching movies, I tend to listen as loud as the moviehouses. Will any of the models be enough to fill our room?

Any suggestions guys is highly appreciated.

Thank you.

The best thing to do is to Audition, you may even carry with you your speakers (fronts and center speakers will do).

Bring also your favourite CDs and DVDs that you really know especially its sound range and sound details.

Trust your ears.

You may also add to your choices the H/K 3550 and Marantz 5300.

But for me, I go for H/K 3550, of its detailed audio quality.

If you don't want to get left behind and you have a mid to large HT Room, go for Marantz 5300 para you may upgrade anytime to 7.1 channel by just adding a stereo amplifier plus of course, two speakers.

Just my cent.
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: enygma on Apr 14, 2003 at 07:53 PM

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thanks Courage, I bought the Yamaha RXV-1300 na last saturday, have not played with it that much yet, pero na test ko na rin sa bahay, very satisfied with the quality and finally I can play DTS na rin! :)
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sgc_wdi,

congrats sa bagong "baby" mo. sabi mo nga 95% mong gagamitin ito in watching movies, and i'm sure you'll be 101% satisfied when watching dvd's sa yamaha mo. ang ganda niyan especially when your using the enhanced mode of dd and dts. puyatan na naman iyan. hehehehe    ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: sgc_wdi on Apr 14, 2003 at 09:02 PM

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thanks Courage, I bought the Yamaha RXV-1300 na last saturday, have not played with it that much yet, pero na test ko na rin sa bahay, very satisfied with the quality and finally I can play DTS na rin! :)
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sgc_wdi,

congrats sa bagong "baby" mo. sabi mo nga 95% mong gagamitin ito in watching movies, and i'm sure you'll be 101% satisfied when watching dvd's sa yamaha mo. ang ganda niyan especially when your using the enhanced mode of dd and dts. puyatan na naman iyan. hehehehe    ;D ;D ;D

enygma, thanks... :) yup sineset ko na movie marathon ko hehe  ;D
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: stradale on Apr 14, 2003 at 09:48 PM
I agree with enygma about that Enhanced mode. Especially when playing concert DVDs in DTS.  Ang tindi ng ambience. Parang you at the front row among the audience.

Congratulations.  Enjoy your new toy.
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: dexterc on Apr 15, 2003 at 07:31 AM
thanks dexterc and courage, hindi siguro ako qualified mag review technical wise, hehe, pero after I break it in I'll post siguro what I like and what I don't like about it... :)


You hit the right one buddy...when it comes to movies IMHO Yamaha is still the best  ;)
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: john5479 on Apr 15, 2003 at 09:39 AM
yamaha is still tops in movies...di na nya kailangan ng thx processing,thx certification.  if only they can do that well in audio as well.
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Courage on Apr 15, 2003 at 09:46 AM
yamaha is still tops in movies...di na nya kailangan ng thx processing,thx certification.  if only they can do that well in audio as well.

john,dex,

i agree ang galing talaga nang yamaha sa movies
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: sgc_wdi on Apr 15, 2003 at 10:29 AM
btw, yung mga receivers na may thx, does that mean na thx certified lang sila, or does it mean na they have incorporated thx technology on their products?
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: H a n $ on Apr 15, 2003 at 03:05 PM
sgc_wdi,

Yammie!! pa rin.. for movies talaga!!
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Courage on Apr 15, 2003 at 03:22 PM
sgc_wdi,

Yammie!! pa rin.. for movies talaga!!

Puro tayo mga former yammie  owners ah ehehehehe
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Mo®pHeOu$ on Apr 15, 2003 at 06:10 PM
btw, yung mga receivers na may thx, does that mean na thx certified lang sila, or does it mean na they have incorporated thx technology on their products?

I think it's just with the workmanship kaya THX certified.   ;)

MAganda nga talaga ang yamaha yung nga lang medyo may kamahalan to get the best model.  ;)
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: enygma on Apr 15, 2003 at 09:11 PM
btw, yung mga receivers na may thx, does that mean na thx certified lang sila, or does it mean na they have incorporated thx technology on their products?

if an equipment is thx certified, it means they passed the minimum requirements set by THX. di na kailangan ng yamaha ito because their receivers really excel in movies. kapag nagpa-THX sila, ipapasa lang sa consumer ang costs nung certification. tayo rin ang talo in the end.  :)
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: john5479 on Apr 16, 2003 at 12:20 AM
one more thing with thx, dapat room mo rin thx certified  >:( anyway its all about compromise: some choose one brand over the other based on priorities, if one wants to put emphasis on music and not much on movies they can get a nad, hk or rotel, though they are no slouches in movies either. There are those who prefer movies ...so there's yamaha, denon, onkyo and pioneer. sa mid level lang nagkakatalo coz the flagships for these brands perform way better of course.

actually for yamaha owners relatively speaking the flagship receiver is cheaper than the ones from denon and pioneer..its approximately less than 100k, pioneer and denon's flagships are almost double the price.
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: john5479 on Apr 16, 2003 at 01:17 AM
I think AVRs are primarily intended for HT talaga. Even those AVRs that are supposedly good for stereo (e.g. NAD, HK, Denon) just won't make the cut (parang Masters ito ah ;)) compared to any entry level audiophile stereo setup (excepting of course some really high-end AVRs like Lexicon and Tag McLaren for example).    

So with that in mind, I'd get an AVR with top notch HT performance.  Then I'd start saving up for a 2nd setup dedicated to music.  An integrated amp from Rotel, Musical Fidelity, Arcam, or even NAD plus a really good CD player would do. You can also go on a tube gear odyssey if you are so inclined.

This is very true but some really can't afford this type of setup. lately though recent amp designs for new receivers show that you can have a receiver that is great for movies and decent for stereo (relatively speaking compared to a dedicated audio setup).

but alas...for audio bliss stereo is still the way to go which is what I am saving for right now, which I fear will be much more expensive than my ht setup*shivers*
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Hi-tech on Apr 16, 2003 at 09:33 AM
yamaha is still tops in movies...di na nya kailangan ng thx processing,thx certification.  if only they can do that well in audio as well.

john,dex,

i agree ang galing talaga nang yamaha sa movies

Hi Courage,
 I learned you use yamaha 1300 before? what set of speakers did you use? Or is anyone out there want to suggest what models/brands of speakers are the best match for this receiver? (for fronts, rear, subwoofer)
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: dexterc on Apr 16, 2003 at 09:42 AM
yamaha is still tops in movies...di na nya kailangan ng thx processing,thx certification.  if only they can do that well in audio as well.

john,dex,

i agree ang galing talaga nang yamaha sa movies

Hi Courage,
 I learned you use yamaha 1300 before? what set of speakers did you use? Or is anyone out there want to suggest what models/brands of speakers are the best match for this receiver? (for fronts, rear, subwoofer)



bRO,

Courage use to have rx-v520 not 1300...but likewise it is still yamaha..ryt now i am using a yamaha receiver too...the 1300 is really quite on high end side receiver..i suggest you should try to match it with Mission speakers...if i would have he 1300 i will match it with the ff.

Fronts---m74i
Center---m7c2
Surrounds---m71
Rear Center-m7c1i
Subs---Dont have any idea yet...it all depend on my budget he!!he!!

Yamaha and mission hit the right combination

By the way i am using m73i on my fronts driven by rx-v420 which is just enough to drive the m73i..so far no center subs and surround yet...but planning to get one this May or June
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: sgc_wdi on Apr 16, 2003 at 09:57 AM
I see so pag THX certified ka, para ka lang ISO 9002 certified right? it's like you've attained a certain standard...

anyway, any idea how much the m7c2 or m7c1i
costs here?
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: dexterc on Apr 16, 2003 at 10:20 AM
I see so pag THX certified ka, para ka lang ISO 9002 certified right? it's like you've attained a certain standard...

anyway, any idea how much the m7c2 or m7c1i
costs here?

Ask hyperaudio aka Rene Rivo Or Sonny tuason..i think  around 9k for the c2 and 6K for the c1
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: sgc_wdi on Apr 16, 2003 at 11:23 AM
alright thanks
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: av_phile on Apr 16, 2003 at 11:46 AM
one more thing with thx, dapat room mo rin thx certified  >:( anyway its all about compromise: some choose one brand over the other based on priorities, if one wants to put emphasis on music and not much on movies they can get a nad, hk or rotel, though they are no slouches in movies either. There are those who prefer movies ...so there's yamaha, denon, onkyo and pioneer. sa mid level lang nagkakatalo coz the flagships for these brands perform way better of course.

actually for yamaha owners relatively speaking the flagship receiver is cheaper than the ones from denon and pioneer..its approximately less than 100k, pioneer and denon's flagships are almost double the price.

Just to add...

Getting the THX logo is more than a certification process.  Switching to THX mode actually rolls-off center high frequencies to mimic the sound of speakers behind the cinema screen which muffles high frequencies.  A lot of internet reviewers scoff at THX in this regard saying it just adds to the cost of a receiver as they have to pay royalties to Mr. Hollman of THX.  I really don't see how one can enjoy THX sound (if its enjoyable at all) unless the  room, like you said, is also THX certified.  Let me add that you also need to use THX certified speakers.  These speakers must conform to some dispersion and power  handlng standards from THX Labs.  Excellent speakers are above THX standards, but they have to come out with a THX product line to attract customers.  Are they also good for music repro?  Yes, except the rear dipoles.  In Hifi reproduction, you want to eliminate indirect sounds coming from reflections.  Dipoles and bipoles create reflections.  

THX is all about putting THX cinema sound in your home.  One internet reviewer asks why would anyone want that?  Considering that cinema sound has a different almost diametrically opposed sound propagation objectives from home hi-fi.  It has nothing to do with Hi-fi.  Cinema sound requires lots of power and more than 6 channels with the purpose of reaching the audience anywhere in a humongous room.  Those center channels placed across and behind the screen (some have more than 3 center speakers) are meant to ensure that people seated at the far corners can still hear the dialog and not be overwhelmed by the left or right channels.  Distortion figures are in the 3% range.  Frequency response rolls off at 12 khz.  And bass sounds (with more than a dozen subwoofers throughout the theater ) are exagerated peaking at around 50 Hz at almost 4 times the power of the other channels.   In contrast subs for music just needs to augment the main speakers at the low end of the spectrum where the mains typically start to roll-off. And that without peaking or exageration.

Theater sound is overwhelming.  But that's more due to the immense power (especially the subs) and the reverb typical of any large hall. Channel separation/dispersion also plays a major role which is excellently captured by the 5.1 DVD encoding.  Unfortunately, it sucks for plain music.  Have you ever heard the theater's ntermission music betwen film showings?  

Personally, if I were starting out, I would get an excellent multi-channel reciever or separates  for music first, then expand to HT. (They're expensive fior sure but even a pre-owned one would do)  What is good for music is also good for HT, but not vice-versa.  Then I would get full-range surrounds identical in timbre with the mains and a poweful sub with at least twice the power of the main amp.  (Those thunderous explosions require more than double the power needed to generate the film music, dialogue and ambiance effects)  With this, there would be no need to have  separate set-ups for music  and HT.  I just switch off the sub-woofer and the surrounds when playing stereo music.  Then, again, if I have good surrounds, playing music on a multi-channel amp is the way to go.  One reviewer claims that after hearing 5.1 channel SACD and DVD-Audio, he would never go back to plain stereo.  That's him talking as I have yet to experience it.

For sure, just don't make THX a criteria for choosing receivers.  But if you have money to burn, and would like to impress the not-so-informed neighbors, why not?
So there, my 2 cents plus some gleaned from internet articles (don't ask for the URLs as I don't keep tab of them)
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Hi-tech on Apr 16, 2003 at 03:48 PM

bRO,

Courage use to have rx-v520 not 1300...but likewise it is still yamaha..ryt now i am using a yamaha receiver too...the 1300 is really quite on high end side receiver..i suggest you should try to match it with Mission speakers...if i would have he 1300 i will match it with the ff.

Fronts---m74i
Center---m7c2
Surrounds---m71
Rear Center-m7c1i
Subs---Dont have any idea yet...it all depend on my budget he!!he!!

Yamaha and mission hit the right combination

By the way i am using m73i on my fronts driven by rx-v420 which is just enough to drive the m73i..so far no center subs and surround yet...but planning to get one this May or June

oic. thanks bro. actually im a newbie here in hts and im beginning to get interested in this stuff. i dont own any pa. maybe in the near future hopefully. im studying it carefully ::)
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Qman on Apr 16, 2003 at 03:57 PM
bRO,
Courage use to have rx-v520 not 1300...but likewise it is still yamaha..ryt now i am using a yamaha receiver too...the 1300 is really quite on high end side receiver..i suggest you should try to match it with Mission speakers...if i would have he 1300 i will match it with the ff.

Fronts---m74i
Center---m7c2
Surrounds---m71
Rear Center-m7c1i
Subs---Dont have any idea yet...it all depend on my budget he!!he!!

Yamaha and mission hit the right combination

By the way i am using m73i on my fronts driven by rx-v420 which is just enough to drive the m73i..so far no center subs and surround yet...but planning to get one this May or June

Yung mga speakers ba sa itaas match din ba sa HK at sa marantz?
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: dexterc on Apr 16, 2003 at 04:16 PM
bRO,
Courage use to have rx-v520 not 1300...but likewise it is still yamaha..ryt now i am using a yamaha receiver too...the 1300 is really quite on high end side receiver..i suggest you should try to match it with Mission speakers...if i would have he 1300 i will match it with the ff.

Fronts---m74i
Center---m7c2
Surrounds---m71
Rear Center-m7c1i
Subs---Dont have any idea yet...it all depend on my budget he!!he!!

Yamaha and mission hit the right combination

By the way i am using m73i on my fronts driven by rx-v420 which is just enough to drive the m73i..so far no center subs and surround yet...but planning to get one this May or June

Yung mga speakers ba sa itaas match din ba sa HK at sa marantz?
qman,

As per observation of Bro Kings who got a  Marantz receiver..Mission speakers matched it very well.....i think he got the m71 and m7c1i for his fronts and center..then He is planning to get the m73i or m74i for his fronts then move the m71 to his surrounds.For HK...I dont have idea if they blend well...and havent seen any one who posted his/her set up using HK and Mission Speakers

Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Qman on Apr 16, 2003 at 04:24 PM
dex,
wala akong makitang mission dito.  sa tingin mo kano aabutin ang kumpletong set na binanggit mo? 6.1
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: dexterc on Apr 16, 2003 at 04:44 PM
dex,
wala akong makitang mission dito.  sa tingin mo kano aabutin ang kumpletong set na binanggit mo? 6.1


Sent you pm...By the way i heard the SR700 Kanina...and i was satisfied sa audio nya.Using wharf bookshelf speakers...too bad wala silang stock ng m73i kanina sa store na nagpa auditionan ko
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Qman on Apr 17, 2003 at 04:21 AM
got your pm dex

tenx for the info... ang sr700 ay more on movies diba? na-auditioned mo sya with wharf sa movies?

pag na-audition mo siya uli using mission pa post ng findings mo uli.

 :D



Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Courage on Apr 21, 2003 at 08:33 AM
got your pm dex

tenx for the info... ang sr700 ay more on movies diba? na-auditioned mo sya with wharf sa movies?

pag na-audition mo siya uli using mission pa post ng findings mo uli.

 :D





Ive heard missions being driven by Yamaha, Marantz, HK, Denon, NAD and all i can say is..ganda talaga tumunog ang mission..yan ang pinagiipunan ko ehehehe
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Qman on Apr 21, 2003 at 11:36 PM
got your pm dex

tenx for the info... ang sr700 ay more on movies diba? na-auditioned mo sya with wharf sa movies?

pag na-audition mo siya uli using mission pa post ng findings mo uli.
 :D
Ive heard missions being driven by Yamaha, Marantz, HK, Denon, NAD and all i can say is..ganda talaga tumunog ang mission..yan ang pinagiipunan ko ehehehe
anong mission iyong na audition mo? iyong 780 narinig mo na? Iyong kappa infinity narinig mo na rin?  ano sa lasa mo sa dalawa ang mas okey?
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: dexterc on Apr 22, 2003 at 11:32 AM
got your pm dex

tenx for the info... ang sr700 ay more on movies diba? na-auditioned mo sya with wharf sa movies?

pag na-audition mo siya uli using mission pa post ng findings mo uli.
 :D
Ive heard missions being driven by Yamaha, Marantz, HK, Denon, NAD and all i can say is..ganda talaga tumunog ang mission..yan ang pinagiipunan ko ehehehe
anong mission iyong na audition mo? iyong 780 narinig mo na? Iyong kappa infinity narinig mo na rin?  ano sa lasa mo sa dalawa ang mas okey?

Heard Infinity paired with HK...It sounds good bro....mukhang mas ok yung combo na yun...HK with infinity speakers
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Courage on May 07, 2003 at 04:28 PM
Guys,

How much ang Rotel RSX-1055 here?
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Jairus on May 08, 2003 at 09:27 AM
Hi mga gurus...I've read a lot of discussion about the pros and cons of the different brands of receivers.  Although informative, I feel I'm more confused now on what to get than before I started reading ??? I'm looking for an entry-level receiver with the best value for money.  I'll be using it primarily 70%Music/30%HT (I canot afford a separate stereo set-up much as I want to :'().  Can anybody please provide an objective summary comparison of the following entry-level receivers I'm presently considering (MarantzSR4300, Yamaha RXB430, Onkyo TX500?, Denon 1403, and HK2550).  Which is the best in terms of:

1.  Features
2.  Performance
3.  Overall value for money

I'll most likely pair them with the custom-made speakers of sir Nirv.  Thanks!
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Courage on May 08, 2003 at 09:35 AM
Hi mga gurus...I've read a lot of discussion about the pros and cons of the different brands of receivers.  Although informative, I feel I'm more confused now on what to get than before I started reading ??? I'm looking for an entry-level receiver with the best value for money.  I'll be using it primarily 70%Music/30%HT (I canot afford a separate stereo set-up much as I want to :'().  Can anybody please provide an objective summary comparison of the following entry-level receivers I'm presently considering (MarantzSR4300, Yamaha RXB430, Onkyo TX500?, Denon 1403, and HK2550).  Which is the best in terms of:

1.  Features
2.  Performance
3.  Overall value for money

I'll most likely pair them with the custom-made speakers of sir Nirv.  Thanks!

1. Features
    Marantz SR4300 DD EX, DTS ES, NEO, PL2..etc
2. Performance
    HK2550
3. Overall value for money
    Marantz SR4300, coz dis one is the cheapest and u get all the new formats today
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: john5479 on May 08, 2003 at 09:38 AM
courage: saw the rsx-1055 at park square and the guy told me it was around 72k the guy though appeared snobbish and was not quite entertaining so I didn't clarify.
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: dexterc on May 08, 2003 at 09:47 AM
Hi mga gurus...I've read a lot of discussion about the pros and cons of the different brands of receivers.  Although informative, I feel I'm more confused now on what to get than before I started reading ??? I'm looking for an entry-level receiver with the best value for money.  I'll be using it primarily 70%Music/30%HT (I canot afford a separate stereo set-up much as I want to :'().  Can anybody please provide an objective summary comparison of the following entry-level receivers I'm presently considering (MarantzSR4300, Yamaha RXB430, Onkyo TX500?, Denon 1403, and HK2550).  Which is the best in terms of:

1.  Features
2.  Performance
3.  Overall value for money

I'll most likely pair them with the custom-made speakers of sir Nirv.  Thanks!


I go for HK 2550 if you use it more on Music....coz the dts-es...ex features of marantz are for HT not for music...i  think the 2550 also have dpl II...Correct me if i am wrong
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Courage on May 08, 2003 at 10:02 AM
courage: saw the rsx-1055 at park square and the guy told me it was around 72k the guy though appeared snobbish and was not quite entertaining so I didn't clarify.

72K WOW...  :o ang mahal pala nun..considering na pareho sila nang specs nang HK5500 which is also 75 watts x 5, lamang lang nang rotel is..meron syang DD EX
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Philander on May 08, 2003 at 10:02 AM
......I'm looking for an entry-level receiver with the best value for money.  I'll be using it primarily 70%Music/30%HT (I canot afford a separate stereo set-up much as I want to :'().  Can anybody please provide an objective summary comparison of the following entry-level receivers I'm presently considering (MarantzSR4300, Yamaha RXB430, Onkyo TX500?, Denon 1403, and HK2550).  Which is the best in terms of:


For Music, definitely get the Harman Kardon. It has DTS, DD, DPL II and its superb Logic7.

1.  Features
Definitely Marantz SR 4300
2.  Performance
H/K 2550 but get the 3550 for more inputs and more power.
3.  Overall value for money
Marantz 4300 is the lowest in price to support latest formats. Yamaha 430 and the Black 530 is cost only at 13.8K each

Trust your ears, I suggest na iaudition lahat ng mga receivers na yan, then decide kung ano ang maganda sa preference mo.
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: jofkevski on May 08, 2003 at 10:59 AM
Since you mention 70% music and 30%HT, here is my verdict:

--FEATURES --
SR4300: good for music, so so for HT
              complete format support
              6.1 channel input (to improve HT later if some DVD players will incorporate standard and vanilla DSPs)
              6.1 channel output (to add higher wattage and better amp - na lang - for better music stereo listening)

HK2550 too limited: no 5.1 input, no 5.1 output, 5 channel, etc etc. RX-v430 no 5.1 output. Denon 1603 @16k ang iconsider mo and not not 1403.

--PERFORMANCE--
Marantz / Denon / HK are all noted for musicality
Both RX-V430 & HK2550 are good for HT

--VALUE FOR MONEY--
Marantz: 100% features
                 70% musicality
                  10% HT
                Second to the cheapest at 15.5k (bested by 430 at 13.8k)

HK2550: 30% feature
               70% musicality
               30% HT
               second yata or the most expensive (about 17.5k)

RX-V430: 65% feature
                35% musicality
                30%HT
                the cheapest at 13.8k

And the winner is . . . Marantz SR4300. kapag lumabas RX-V440 (with TopART tech and 6 channels, DD/EX, DTS/ES, etc etc) at 15.5k, taob na naman si marantz SR4300. Want to wait?
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: sillyputty on May 08, 2003 at 11:19 AM
wala atang preouts yung rx-v440 kaya lamang pa rin ang maratnz.
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: john5479 on May 08, 2003 at 11:22 AM
musicality is subjective, to me yammies using topART tech. still sound inferior to hk and marantz so your mileage may vary.
Title: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: jofkevski on May 08, 2003 at 04:33 PM
I agree musicality is subjective.

But I am in agreement with majority of published (what-hifi, eastwoodhifi, homecinemachoice, hometheaterhifi, whateverhifi) side-by-side testing of Yamaha and other brands of HT AVR which includes HK - a fact that nobody cant deny.

Of course, after all is said and done, musicality is just relative and just boils down to personal preference rather than absolute edge of an AVR over another.
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: john5479 on May 08, 2003 at 05:02 PM
also system matching is important, if you plan to get speakers from nirvblakr they match well with nad, and hk and marantz, i used to have floorstanders sold to a fellow pinoydvd'er that match well with his hk5500.

reviews are a good reference but ultimately its you who will decide. i've seen equipment well reviewed initially being dropped like a hot potato once the next big thing comes along. also since they are entry level, the differences might not be that great that you can compromise. yamaha has a lot of dsp's that can be good for ht, hk relies more on its amps, marantz has some dsps but personally I don't prefer using them.

overall I would go for the sr4300 since its on the middle and has preouts so you can upgrade your amps later on. hk2550 is just 5.1 also with the 430, or you can wait and check out the 440 or save a little more and get the sr5300 or hk3550 if your funds allow it :)
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: jofkevski on May 08, 2003 at 05:11 PM
HK2550 has no 5.1 input - just optical.
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: bejiboys on May 08, 2003 at 05:15 PM
Kamusta ang after sales support ng NAD?  Saan service centers?  What are terms of warranties for receivers?
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: stradale on May 08, 2003 at 09:00 PM
Recent listening experiences have given me newfound respect for Onkyo and Marantz.  Heard an Onkyo TXSR700 and was surprised at how good it was for music (albeit an X-10D was being used with the DVD player).  This is the same receiver that was lambasted in Audioreview for being poor in music. Then I heard a Marantz 4300 in HT action and it was stunning.  In both instances, Missions were being driven.  

This is the perspective of a Yammie/B&W user BTW.
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Courage on May 09, 2003 at 08:22 AM
Kamusta ang after sales support ng NAD?  Saan service centers?  What are terms of warranties for receivers?

As far as the aftersales support of NAD is concern, all i can say is.. those guys from Studio Systems is excellent. The best ang support nila sa customer kahit nabili mo na yung unit.

Two Thumbs Up guys.. :) :D
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Jairus on May 09, 2003 at 09:06 AM
Thank you all for the inputs.  I'll be auditioning both the HK and Marantz.
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: enygma on May 09, 2003 at 01:49 PM
iba talaga ang HK when it comes to music and driving speakers that are 4 ohms. considering the wattage of a 2550, nakakapagdrive pa siya ng floorstander without a sweat. di ka pa magaalala na magautoshut-off ang receiver mo when playing loud music or dvd's. naexperienced ko na iyung magshut-off ang receiver ko before while watching dvd. kinukulang sa power siguro.  ;)
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: meanstreak on May 09, 2003 at 07:12 PM
Hi guys! I'm going to get a new avr for the sole purpose of HT only. Between the Yamaha RXV-530 and Marantz SR4300, which of the two would likely fit the category?
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Philander on May 09, 2003 at 07:31 PM
Hi guys! I'm going to get a new avr for the sole purpose of HT only. Between the Yamaha RXV-530 and Marantz SR4300, which of the two would likely fit the category?

Both. The best way is to audition them and think of a set of speakers that you will going to pair with them. Then trust your ears.

But for me, I'll go for Marantz SR 4300 for its DTS-ES and DD-EX capability, may mga pre-outs pa. Since movies ang hilig mo, then I guess the 6th channel (surround back) will help a lot in your set-up for HT purposes.

Just my cent.
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: audioworld on May 10, 2003 at 09:34 AM
just 2 warn u,marantz is a oem products,labeled marantz.Don ka na sa cgurado.
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: jofkevski on May 10, 2003 at 10:09 AM
Yamaha (as far as the budget entry to mid end level) is the best for HT - and this has been the choice of many side-by-side reviews (again if HT is more of a concern). quoted "The decoding chip is the YSS-938 which is the same as used in all the Yamaha Receivers including the $5000 RX-Z1 flagship, so you know you're king of the pack when it comes to processing those movie soundtracks"

However your choice will be dependent on what you will do in the future (upgrade path) - 5.1 channel input, 5.1/6.1 channel output, etc, etc, how loud your listening level.

If you are interested in 6.1 setup, 4300 will be match to new RX-v440. 440 has the DSP power, while 4300 provides 6.1 preout. Power rating in paper might be deceptive. Better hear both of them at your normal and loud listening volume.

Quote from www.eastwoodhifi.com.au --
Any new Yamaha model is usually a class leader and the others then have to catch up then Yamaha takes the next step and the others play catch up again.



Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: H a n $ on May 11, 2003 at 03:56 PM
Meanstreak,

When your talking HT you can't go wrong with Yamaha!! pero feature wise Marantz 4300 ang lamang but if you can wait Yamaha x40 models ok din pre..
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: john5479 on May 11, 2003 at 08:35 PM
one thing you can do is get a yammie and then use the saved money for an integrated amp later on for audio purposes i.e. get a black rxv-530 for 13.8 k and then get a rotel integrated like the ra-931 mk2 for ~12k for your audio needs. Yammies are good for ht because of dsp's but for music, i don't want any dsps, except for signal processing like dolby prologic 2  :) if you want just one receiver for both go for the 4300 for your budget range, musically better (to my ears) and use bookshelves, use the saved money for a good sub.

just make sure you space your speakers properly to get the best effects, you really don't need dsps if everything is setup properly but they do sometimes enhance the experience :)
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: EB on May 12, 2003 at 12:05 AM
Audio is a subjective hobby.  IMHO, there is no "Best" receiver, speaker, player or cable.  Each one of us has our own personal preference.  One man's junk is another man's treasure.  To each his own. Etc.  

Also, use magazine and online reviews merely as a guide.  Many of these are written in exchange for advertising income or some goodies.

The best way really is to actually listen to them.  There's no other way.  Remember, you are the one who will listen to your system, not us.

Good luck.
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Audioboy on May 12, 2003 at 10:05 AM
guys,

if you were to choose between hk 3550, NAD T741  Marantz 4300 and denon 1803, which of the four would you put on your toplist as the best receiver in terms of musicality, movies and price? Features are not much of my consideration.

BTW, the speakers to be matched with these receivers are mission speakers. tnx.
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: dexterc on May 12, 2003 at 10:10 AM
Heard the marantz paired with mission sounds good in HT..and not much for me in music..Cheaper than 1803..Same as the 1803...love it in music..not much in HT
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Courage on May 12, 2003 at 10:39 AM
guys,

if you were to choose between hk 3550, NAD T741  Marantz 4300 and denon 1803, which of the four would you put on your toplist as the best receiver in terms of musicality, movies and price? Features are not much of my consideration.

BTW, the speakers to be matched with these receivers are mission speakers. tnx.

If features , DTS-ES and DD EX is not that important to u..in terms of musicality and movies ill choose HK 3550. but its just me..others may not agree with me :)
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Philander on May 12, 2003 at 10:54 AM
guys,

if you were to choose between hk 3550, NAD T741  Marantz 4300 and denon 1803, which of the four would you put on your toplist as the best receiver in terms of musicality, movies and price? Features are not much of my consideration.

BTW, the speakers to be matched with these receivers are mission speakers. tnx.


You mean 50% music and 50% movies? and to match your Mission speakers?

Well, if I were you, I'll choose between H/K 3550 and Marantz 5300.

H/K is one of the best in terms of musically, the Marantz has more features than H/K, like pre-outs and DTS-ES and DD-compatibility.

They are both powerful. Both has 192/24 Khz DAC. H/K uses High current amp.

Well again, audition them both together with the Mission speakers, then TRUST your ears, you'll be the one who'll use and hear it.
Title: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: jofkevski on May 12, 2003 at 11:09 AM
If features is not a factor and the only considerations are music, HT and price

Let's put some numbers:

HK3550 is 21.5k
NADT741 is 23.5k
Marantz4300 is 15.5k
Denon1803 is 24k

Music - all of them are  good, but will pick-up HK3550
HT - HK3550 is the only contender to yamaha in HT
Price - see the figure above

My rating:
HK3550 - total 261
  music - 100
  HT - 100
  price - 61
Marantz - total 250
  music - 90
  HT - 60
  price - 100
NAD - total 208
  music - 90
  HT - 70
  price - 48
Denon - total 205
  music - 90
  HT - 70
  price - 45

So looks like you have 2 sets of choice:
  best options - either marantz 4300 or HK3550
  seconds - either Denon or NAD

Also, if HT and music will carry more weight for you, HK is the choice - but if price will have heavier impact, then marantz

Denon and NAD, for price and performance, may not be worth it - unless they will be put on sale.

Again, this is comparaison based on 3 categories specified - music, HT and price (no features whatsoever other than related to the three items indicated).
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Courage on May 12, 2003 at 11:11 AM
If features is not a factor and the only considerations are music, HT and price

Let's put some numbers:

HK3550 is 21.5k
NADT741 is 23.5k
Marantz4300 is 15.5k
Denon1803 is 24k

Music - all of them are  good, but will pick-up HK3550
HT - HK3550 is the only contender to yamaha in HT
Price - see the figure above

My rating:
HK3550 - total 261
  music - 100
  HT - 100
  price - 61
Marantz - total 250
  music - 90
  HT - 60
  price - 100
NAD - total 208
  music - 90
  HT - 70
  price - 48
Denon - total 205
  music - 90
  HT - 70
  price - 45

So looks like you have 2 sets of choice:
  best options - either marantz 4300 or HK3550
  seconds - either Denon or NAD

Also, if HT and music will carry more weight for you, HK is the choice - but if price will have heavier impact, then marantz

Denon and NAD, for price and performance, may not be worth it - unless they will be put on sale.

Again, this is comparaison based on 3 categories specified - music, HT and price (no features whatsoever other than related to the three items indicated).


Ayus detailed na detailed ehehehehehe :)
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: john5479 on May 12, 2003 at 11:41 AM
the 3550 is the best choice from the group, nad is right up there musically but quite expensive, marantz is the best bang for buck but ht is not as good as the hk, (due to the amplifers, not enough juice for ht).

What I can tell you is that you just get mission bookshelves and a sub, entry level receivers are not that powerful so don't strain them so much by using floorstanders. you might think the sound is ok but try using an entry level integrated amp like the hk670, you'll hear the difference  :)
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: H a n $ on May 12, 2003 at 02:13 PM
Julsp


I'll chose HK, Nad and Marantz for sound ( stereo and HT ) heard Mission paired with the abovemention AVR all sounded sweet

Mission M72i / Marantz heard it at Hyperaudio
Mission M73i / NAD before sa bahay
Mission M73i / HK now sa bahay hehehe ;D
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Philander on May 12, 2003 at 03:16 PM
just 2 warn u,marantz is a oem products,labeled marantz.Don ka na sa cgurado.

I agree, the remote of Marantz SR4300 is exactly the same in physical appearance with the generic DVD Players available locally.

Hindi ba SR 4300 lang ang "OEM" sa Marantz Receiver (Latest version)?

Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Courage on May 12, 2003 at 04:14 PM
Julsp


I'll chose HK, Nad and Marantz for sound ( stereo and HT ) heard Mission paired with the abovemention AVR all sounded sweet

Mission M72i / Marantz heard it at Hyperaudio
Mission M73i / NAD before sa bahay
Mission M73i / HK now sa bahay hehehe ;D

Ehehehehehe...nice na nice talaga ang setup mo pare..inggit ako sa Mission mo
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: levi on May 12, 2003 at 10:52 PM
Very complete details but there are other factors you should consider like warranty, service and availability. The 1803 is more expensive because it is a higher model compared to the three brands. Maybe it would be a better comparison if it is the 1403 or the 1603. Same case for the HK, it would be better if its the 2550.  
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Qman on May 13, 2003 at 12:36 AM
If features is not a factor and the only considerations are music, HT and price

Let's put some numbers:

HK3550 is 21.5k
NADT741 is 23.5k
Marantz4300 is 15.5k
Denon1803 is 24k

Music - all of them are  good, but will pick-up HK3550
HT - HK3550 is the only contender to yamaha in HT
Price - see the figure above

My rating:
HK3550 - total 261
  music - 100
  HT - 100
  price - 61
Marantz - total 250
  music - 90
  HT - 60
  price - 100
NAD - total 208
  music - 90
  HT - 70
  price - 48
Denon - total 205
  music - 90
  HT - 70
  price - 45

So looks like you have 2 sets of choice:
  best options - either marantz 4300 or HK3550
  seconds - either Denon or NAD

Also, if HT and music will carry more weight for you, HK is the choice - but if price will have heavier impact, then marantz

Denon and NAD, for price and performance, may not be worth it - unless they will be put on sale.

Again, this is comparaison based on 3 categories specified - music, HT and price (no features whatsoever other than related to the three items indicated).


ayus ang detalye... he he he mabuhay talaga ang hk

sana maabutan ko pa ang hk na sale sa qatar
 ;D
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Audioboy on May 13, 2003 at 08:01 AM
guys,

thanks for your replies.  Currently, i am using a denon 1403 (60w/ch at 8 ohms) matched with mission speakers.  The combination of this setup is really ok except that my M73 doesnt provide a deep bass. I have already loaded sand as per instruction from the manual of this M73 and on my way to bi-wiring it. If things dont change after bi-wiring it, my 1403 probably is having a hard time driving the floorstanders.  I might be forced then to buy HK3550 or 2550 if my budget wont allow me. I am really impressed with the performance of HK receivers.  
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Courage on May 13, 2003 at 08:09 AM
guys,

thanks for your replies.  Currently, i am using a denon 1403 (60w/ch at 8 ohms) matched with mission speakers.  The combination of this setup is really ok except that my M73 doesnt provide a deep bass. I have already loaded sand as per instruction from the manual of this M73 and on my way to bi-wiring it. If things dont change after bi-wiring it, my 1403 probably is having a hard time driving the floorstanders.  I might be forced then to buy HK3550 or 2550 if my budget wont allow me. I am really impressed with the performance of HK receivers.  

Ive heard thos M73i being driven by HK25550..though its in music only, but the result is superb..ang galing ;)
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: dexterc on May 13, 2003 at 08:17 AM
Juls,

My m73i gives a good bass despite being driven by yamaha ( 65w/ch at 8 ohms) I guess you have a quite big room or your satisfaction for bass is different from mine thats why you said the m73 doesnt give enough bass for you even you already tweaked it  ;) Everytime i play Blade 2 the bass of m73i is really noticebly good

DEX
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: H a n $ on May 13, 2003 at 04:39 PM
from courage
Quote
Ehehehehehe...nice na nice talaga ang setup mo pare..inggit ako sa Mission mo

Pre nagtipid lang sobra hehehe kaya naabot ang gusto  ;D
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Audioboy on May 13, 2003 at 04:56 PM
Juls,

My m73i gives a good bass despite being driven by yamaha ( 65w/ch at 8 ohms) I guess you have a quite big room or your satisfaction for bass is different from mine thats why you said the m73 doesnt give enough bass for you even you already tweaked it  ;) Everytime i play Blade 2 the bass of m73i is really noticebly good

DEX

dex,

I finally found the problem with my setup.  Wrong settings lang pa. If I set my denon to PL II mode, the M73i wouldnt bang a good bass. When I started setting it to a 5ch mode, ganda na ng bass nya! Hay salamat, di ko na kailangan gumastos for HK. I admit though, HKs are really good.
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Jairus on May 14, 2003 at 10:13 AM
HK2550 has no 5.1 input - just optical.

Should this be a cause for concern? I'm choosing between HK2550 and Sr4300 but am leaning towards the HK primarily because it's supposedly good in music as well as HT vs. the Marantz which is good in music but so-so in HT.
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Philander on May 14, 2003 at 10:39 AM
Should this be a cause for concern? I'm choosing between HK2550 and Sr4300 but am leaning towards the HK primarily because it's supposedly good in music as well as HT vs. the Marantz which is good in music but so-so in HT.

If your DVD player has no optical/coaxial digital outputs, then 5.1 analog input on a Receiver is a must.

The 5.1ch direct inputs accommodate future multi-channel sound formats or an external digital decoder, meaning if your audio-player decodes the signal through its analog connection and the digital out is just a pass-through and bypasses, tone controls and bass management and does not decodes signal from source, then the 5.1ch inputs on a receiver is a must.

Example of this case is a SACD Multi-Channel Player, some SACD player decodes SACDs by its own analog connection only and not in its Digital outs.

Regarding the H/K 2550, if I were you, I'll get the 3550 instead for more power and 5.1 channel analog input. You'll just add about 3K. Konting ipon lang yan.


 
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: sillyputty on May 14, 2003 at 11:23 AM
Question lang po... ;)
When you say a receiver is warm/bright/laid back etc.. Is it due to the receivers amp or processing?


Some say that the marantz is not so good for HT(due to its amp?). If I use the preouts of the SR4300 and connect it to a power amp, would it improve the HT performance. Or will it have the same characteristics, only louder?
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: jofkevski on May 14, 2003 at 01:20 PM
Hi Sillyputty!

warm/laid/bright might be more on an amp charateristics (kasi it seems AVR like Denon or Marantz or HK or NAD - except yamaha - make use of same brand chips - crystals or Cirrus but they have diff characteristics).

for your next issue, Will dissect your question

HT has something to do with processing encoded signals for distribution to multiple channels.

Using pre-outs and putting a better amp (say separates like NAD S250 or HK PA2000 - kailan kaya mangyayari sa akin ito???) will improve the audio quality.

So bottomline, what you will hear (be it music or HT will now be dependent on the outboard amplifier quality).
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: sillyputty on May 14, 2003 at 01:46 PM
Thanks. Sabi ko na nga ba amp ang reason eh...
So that means if I use a PA2000 to power the fronts, ok na ang tunog since wharf ang gamit ko. Match ang wharf and hk.  ;D
Problema na lang yung center and surrounds.  :(

*PA2000 is a stereo amp only(2x100). It can do 4x45(bridge) but it has only 1 set of stereo inputs. It means the SAME set of signal can be heard from 2 speaker sets.

Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: lakambini on May 14, 2003 at 03:01 PM
jarius,

ano na napili mong avr, hk ba o marantz?
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: john5479 on May 14, 2003 at 04:50 PM
Sillyputty: you can look at it this way, less speakers to power the less strain on the amplifier. so using a separate amp for the fronts will help your receiver and give more power to your center or surrounds, but its better if they don't share the same outlet :)
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: jofkevski on May 14, 2003 at 05:07 PM
Hi sillyputty!

sorry about the PA2000. youre right, hindi flexible ang PA2000 (pang multiroom lang ang multichannel nya). I think NAD and rotel has model of multiamp (NAD S250 or NAD CI9060 or Rotel RMB series) - mukhang wala sa HK.
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Jairus on May 14, 2003 at 05:27 PM
jarius,

ano na napili mong avr, hk ba o marantz?

I have yet to audition both with missions and wharfes (medyo limited budget ko).  I'm not an audiophile (but I did have some experience in car audio) so if don't hear hear much difference in the Marantz or HK and wharfes or mission  combination, I might get the most affordable combination.  I'm also considering the speakers of Nirv which is supposedly match with HK/Marantz.  Hope I can audition them too within the next two weeks.
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: john5479 on May 15, 2003 at 05:24 AM
the custom made bookshelves sound way better and easier to drive IMHO  :)
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Jairus on May 15, 2003 at 08:03 AM
the custom made bookshelves sound way better and easier to drive IMHO  :)

Way better than missions and wharfes? Di ba you were the one selling the custom slim floorstanders? Is this the same as the AAD4 of Nirv?  This was what I was thinking of pairing with either the Marantz or HK.  Which model among the custom bookshelves were you referring to nga pala when you made the comment?
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: john5479 on May 15, 2003 at 08:58 AM
Anyone here ever tried a luxman a/v receiver ???
Title: Denon 1802 vs. Marantz sr4300
Post by: heps on May 19, 2003 at 02:13 PM
I plan to buy an a/v receiver.
I can’t decide which model performs better; Denon 1802 or the Marantz sr4300.

I'm aware that the Marantz has more features than the denon 1802 but I'm after the sound quality for HT.

Will use this with my exsisting M70 series.

Honestly just starting out w/ the hobby  ???so my listening can't tell...
Your advice will be appreciated.
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: levi on May 19, 2003 at 02:23 PM
Hi Heps, Welcome to Pinoydvd,

    I have to merged your thread to avoid duplications and to put together all comparisons in a single thread. This will prevent clutter.

    Why dont you consider the Denon 1803 instead of the 1802. Compared with the Marantz the Denon is a higher model. Im using 1803 and Im very satisfied with its performance. Just my 1 cent.

Levi
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: heps on May 19, 2003 at 04:28 PM
Hi Heps, Welcome to Pinoydvd,

    I have to merged your thread to avoid duplications and to put together all comparisons in a single thread. This will prevent clutter.

    Why dont you consider the Denon 1803 instead of the 1802. Compared with the Marantz the Denon is a higher model. Im using 1803 and Im very satisfied with its performance. Just my 1 cent.

Levi

Thanks for the tip but I'm limited to choose from a marantz 4300, denon 1802,or any other value for money A/V receivers under 16K.

The denon 1803 is out of my budget.

Hard to decide! Your comments pls.
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Courage on May 19, 2003 at 04:30 PM
Thanks for the tip but I'm limited to choose from a marantz 4300, denon 1802,or any other value for money A/V receivers under 16K.

The denon 1803 is out of my budget.

Hard to decide! Your comments pls.

Check out also the Yamahas RXV430, 530, 630, HK 2550
Title: Re:Denon 1802 vs. Marantz sr4300
Post by: Philander on May 19, 2003 at 04:35 PM
I plan to buy an a/v receiver.
I can’t decide which model performs better; Denon 1802 or the Marantz sr4300.

I'm aware that the Marantz has more features than the denon 1802 but I'm after the sound quality for HT.

Will use this with my exsisting M70 series.

Honestly just starting out w/ the hobby  ???so my listening can't tell...
Your advice will be appreciated.


Marantz is great in Music good in HT, but as per your preference, Yamaha 530 on the other hand is great in HT and good in Music. However the surround back feature of Marantz is another edge for HT purpose.

Another question is what speakers are you planning to pair with the receiver? Remember that Receiver A will sound bad in Speaker A, but the speaker A will sound great in Receiver B. With Missions and Marantz, I heard them and it was a very good combination.

Try to audition all the receiver with the same price range, then you decide.

Marantz has complete pre-outs, 6.1, and supports DTS-ES and DD-EX.

Sorry, I havn't audition the 1802.
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: heps on May 19, 2003 at 04:41 PM
thanks for the advice guys.

My speakers follows:
front: Mission m71
Center: PSB alpha C
Surround: Mission M7ds
Subs: Dynaquest 12'

Where can I audition the HK 2550? and how much would that be?
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Jairus on May 19, 2003 at 05:08 PM
spectra at park square, 17k
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: heps on May 19, 2003 at 05:14 PM
spectra at park square, 17k


thanks for the info. how does mission speakers mix w/ HK receivers?
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Audioboy on May 19, 2003 at 07:11 PM
Guys,

     Mission and HK combination. Ok ba?

 My plans:

     1. Replace my denon 1403 with HK 2550

           - IMHO, my mission and denon combi sounds really good. However, I am thinking of getting HK receiver because of its High Currency power and its 192khz/24bit capability.

     OR

     2.  Replace my akira dvd player with HK 21

             -    I like HK 21 because of it 192khz/24bit capality. Its color also matches my black denon. My denon has 5.1 analog input, thus, I might be able to avail the benefit of this high DAC rate.


I need your advice.  Please help! TNX.



   
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Courage on May 20, 2003 at 07:57 AM
Guys,

     Mission and HK combination. Ok ba?

 My plans:

     1. Replace my denon 1403 with HK 2550

           - IMHO, my mission and denon combi sounds really good. However, I am thinking of getting HK receiver because of its High Currency power and its 192khz/24bit capability.

     OR

     2.  Replace my akira dvd player with HK 21

             -    I like HK 21 because of it 192khz/24bit capality. Its color also matches my black denon. My denon has 5.1 analog input, thus, I might be able to avail the benefit of this high DAC rate.


I need your advice.  Please help! TNX.



   


The HK2550 has 192khz DAC already, so why get a player with 192khz DAC?
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Audioboy on May 20, 2003 at 08:22 AM
courage,

The plans i presented are alternative. I hope to be enlightened by your opinion on what is the best choice between the two proposition. Tnx.

In addition to the two, never to replace my units and follow the advice in this site http://www.whathifi.com/newsMainTemplate.asp?storyID=37&newssectionID=3 .  ;D
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Courage on May 20, 2003 at 09:12 AM
courage,

The plans i presented are alternative. I hope to be enlightened by your opinion on what is the best choice between the two proposition. Tnx.

In addition to the two, never to replace my units and follow the advice in this site http://www.whathifi.com/newsMainTemplate.asp?storyID=37&newssectionID=3 .  ;D

Ohh sorry didnt see the "OR" on ur post.

Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: john5479 on May 20, 2003 at 09:39 AM
if you think the amps on the denon is enough for you then you can just get the hk dvd player...or just use the digital out of your akira and get the hk 2550. that way you utilize the 24/192 dacs for each setup.

if you choose the hk dvd option please take note that most receivers digitize first the signal from the input before converting it back to analog.

choosing the receiver option i think will result in better sound in my opinion because I think the amps on the hk are better, not really because of the dacs, there are other things to consider like the output stages etc. which can factor the sound output, not just the dacs.
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: H a n $ on May 20, 2003 at 03:09 PM
Julsp,

I go for the AVR upgrade to feel the new sound?? go for Hk 3550 instead kung player ang upgrade minimal lang yun difference sa sound except kung high end yun cables na gamit mo pwede rin.. but this is just me.
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Jairus on May 20, 2003 at 04:46 PM
Where can I get the 3550 for ~20k?
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Audioboy on May 20, 2003 at 04:53 PM
guys,

tnx for your replies.
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: levi on May 20, 2003 at 11:11 PM
courage,

The plans i presented are alternative. I hope to be enlightened by your opinion on what is the best choice between the two proposition. Tnx.

In addition to the two, never to replace my units and follow the advice in this site http://www.whathifi.com/newsMainTemplate.asp?storyID=37&newssectionID=3 .  ;D

Same advice with hans. Why upgrade if your just getting the HK2550. Even though there will be a change of sound, you are only getting the same level. You are just changing brand. It would be better if you will go for a higher model.
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: greatness on May 21, 2003 at 11:14 AM
 

julsp168 - for me the HK and mission combo sounds AWESOME!!!!!

especially with a limited budget....

Dats my set-up right now...
Title: Nad T762 vs Marantz SR7300
Post by: wolf666 on Jul 17, 2003 at 11:37 PM
Guys, gusto kong i-upgrade ang current receiver ko (Marantz SR7300) to Nad T762. Any comments. Bili ko sa SR7300 is $950 (singapore dollor) tapos ang presyo ng T762 is $1,550 (singapore dollar). Is this a wise decision? Gusto ko ang sound ng Marantz together with my Kef Q1 + Kef Q9c + Kef Cresta 2. Nung binili ko sya last December ay hindi pa lumalabas ang T762 and comparing it with other receivers (Yamaha and Denon), malayong malayo ang ganda ng sound ng SR7300 sa kanila. Pero first choice ko pa rin ang NAD with my speakers. Baka mag-upgrade na in ako ng mains ko to Kef Q7 within the year kaya excited akong bilhin yung T762. Appreciate anyones comment on my plan.

I may sell my Marantz SR7300 or just give it to my brother. Uuwi ako sa Sept sa Pilipinas and kung ibebenta ko dyan, magkano kaya ko sya pwedeng ibenta? thanks.
Title: Re:Nad T762 vs Marantz SR7300
Post by: av_phile on Jul 18, 2003 at 11:26 AM
Guys, gusto kong i-upgrade ang current receiver ko (Marantz SR7300) to Nad T762. Any comments. Bili ko sa SR7300 is $950 (singapore dollor) tapos ang presyo ng T762 is $1,550 (singapore dollar). Is this a wise decision? Gusto ko ang sound ng Marantz together with my Kef Q1 + Kef Q9c + Kef Cresta 2. Nung binili ko sya last December ay hindi pa lumalabas ang T762 and comparing it with other receivers (Yamaha and Denon), malayong malayo ang ganda ng sound ng SR7300 sa kanila. Pero first choice ko pa rin ang NAD with my speakers. Baka mag-upgrade na in ako ng mains ko to Kef Q7 within the year kaya excited akong bilhin yung T762. Appreciate anyones comment on my plan.

I may sell my Marantz SR7300 or just give it to my brother. Uuwi ako sa Sept sa Pilipinas and kung ibebenta ko dyan, magkano kaya ko sya pwedeng ibenta? thanks.

Came across this discussion site from e-coustics and i quote:

The fact is the NAD and the Arcam are virtually the EXACT SAME reciever (the rep told me) and they are consistently underpowered, under-featured, over-priced and, in the case of NAD struggle with quality control issues (T751, 761).

from http://www.ecoustics.com/bbs/messages/1/1674.html

Ofcourse this is his opinion, just thought I'd share it here.  

Since you found the SR7300 excellent with your speakers, maybe going NAD might not yield a discernably better sound.  If it's true that NADs are overpriced, there may not be that much sonic difference between the two.   If I may suggest, since you're upgrading (to better sound, i suppose) why not go a level higher and consider a ROTEL AV receiver?  Magkano ba diyan and ROTEL like the RSX1055 or a newer model?  Just my 2 cents.

Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: kwela5253 on Jul 18, 2003 at 04:47 PM


julsp168 - for me the HK and mission combo sounds AWESOME!!!!!

especially with a limited budget....

Dats my set-up right now...

Try nyo HK and Monitor Audio Bronze Speakers...when i heard the Mission and HK combi, gusto ko na yun ang maging set up ko... But i came across the monitor audio speakers...yung bronze series lang hah...LUPIT!!! :o
Title: NAD T762 vs Marantz SR7300
Post by: wolf666 on Jul 18, 2003 at 06:32 PM
av_phile,
what i know is NAD has always under declared their power ratings when in actual tests done, their power is a lot higher. Anyway, di ako masyadong interesado sa mga rating na yan lalo na nung narinig ko yun lumang  SR7200. Ang test ng Sound&Vision ay 29watts/channel (all channel driven) at nag ki-clip na raw but I have heard this baby and the sound is much much better than the other receivers they tested with higher power rating.

as for Rotel, siguradong maganda ito kaso sobrang mahal naman.

MODERATORS,
Bakit naman nyo inalis yung tread ko at isiningit dito na parang generic na tread. Hindi man lang ako sinabihan at kailangan ko pang hanapin ito. I would have just added my post in this thread kung gusto ko but I don't want it included kaya gumawa ako sarili ko. You are limiting the number of users seeing my subject therfore less din ang makakabasa and makaka reply!!!
Title: Re:NAD T762 vs Marantz SR7300
Post by: maxpayne on Jul 19, 2003 at 01:06 PM
av_phile,
what i know is NAD has always under declared their power ratings when in actual tests done, their power is a lot higher.

wolff666,

that was what i understood also.  actually, i found the ecoustics.com quote a bit strange.  hmmm...  
Title: Re:NAD T762 vs Marantz SR7300
Post by: levi on Jul 19, 2003 at 01:55 PM
av_phile,
what i know is NAD has always under declared their power ratings when in actual tests done, their power is a lot higher. Anyway, di ako masyadong interesado sa mga rating na yan lalo na nung narinig ko yun lumang  SR7200. Ang test ng Sound&Vision ay 29watts/channel (all channel driven) at nag ki-clip na raw but I have heard this baby and the sound is much much better than the other receivers they tested with higher power rating.

as for Rotel, siguradong maganda ito kaso sobrang mahal naman.

MODERATORS,
Bakit naman nyo inalis yung tread ko at isiningit dito na parang generic na tread. Hindi man lang ako sinabihan at kailangan ko pang hanapin ito. I would have just added my post in this thread kung gusto ko but I don't want it included kaya gumawa ako sarili ko. You are limiting the number of users seeing my subject therfore less din ang makakabasa and makaka reply!!!

    WE have a list of merged thread. You should first check if you cant find your thread. Let me put it this way. If we wont merge threads, imagine how many new threads can be created comparing all receivers available in the market. Even if you have your own thread baka page 5 na yan after 3 hours. No one will really bother to answer your thread if its in page 5. Another reason for merging is to avoid redundant thread. If we put all related discussions under a single thread then a member will only have to check one thread and get all the answers he needs. There are members who can give good explanations but is not always online. You might miss that opportunity if it is going to be an individual thread. Imagine researching for a certain topic and the good answers are spread in 21 pages and during the time your thread is on top, only a handful of members are available to help you. Thank you

Levi
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: wolf666 on Jul 19, 2003 at 02:48 PM
Quote
WE have a list of merged thread. You should first check if you cant find your thread. Let me put it this way. If we wont merge threads, imagine how many new threads can be created comparing all receivers available in the market. Even if you have your own thread baka page 5 na yan after 3 hours. No one will really bother to answer your thread if its in page 5. Another reason for merging is to avoid redundant thread. If we put all related discussions under a single thread then a member will only have to check one thread and get all the answers he needs. There are members who can give good explanations but is not always online. You might miss that opportunity if it is going to be an individual thread. Imagine researching for a certain topic and the good answers are spread in 21 pages and during the time your thread is on top, only a handful of members are available to help you. Thank you

Levi

Pare, I have nothing against your purpose of merging threads especially if you think that it'll help other people. But I beg to disagree on some of your points above. Every new topic can not be simply added/merged in a generic thread. Imagine if that thread reaches 1000 replies and you just merged my thread at the last part. Note that my topic is different. then came 10 new thread with say 1 or 2 replies each in the next 1 or 2 hours. Then you merged all these 10 new thread and add them all after my thread. Most of the people reading this merged thread will simply miss out my thread kasi na baon na sya.

What I am suggesting is let these thread be first read and replied as much people as possible and once they are not moving and you feel that they should be archived, by all means, do so to help others. then you can also inform the thread starter that you are merging his thread for archival and quick reference for other people's use.

regarding yung concern mo na mababaon sa ibang pages. that is true but at least whoever comes in can easily scan all the topics he/she chooses to view. at kung talagang maraming traffic sa forum at madaling mapunta sa ibang pages yung thread, a good topic/issue will always stay on top (at least for sometime) due to people's reply (correspondence). kapag nabaon ang isang thread, responsibilidad na ng thread starter to resurrect his thread by adding new posts doon sa thread or opening a new thread. I really think all people should be able to see all recently added and/or replied threads by just looking at the subjects and not go into some generic thread and find out if one of the topics or specific queries inside have any reply or not.  

Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: levi on Jul 19, 2003 at 03:48 PM
Pare, I have nothing against your purpose of merging threads especially if you think that it'll help other people. But I beg to disagree on some of your points above. Every new topic can not be simply added/merged in a generic thread. Imagine if that thread reaches 1000 replies and you just merged my thread at the last part. Note that my topic is different. then came 10 new thread with say 1 or 2 replies each in the next 1 or 2 hours. Then you merged all these 10 new thread and add them all after my thread. Most of the people reading this merged thread will simply miss out my thread kasi na baon na sya.

What I am suggesting is let these thread be first read and replied as much people as possible and once they are not moving and you feel that they should be archived, by all means, do so to help others. then you can also inform the thread starter that you are merging his thread for archival and quick reference for other people's use.

regarding yung concern mo na mababaon sa ibang pages. that is true but at least whoever comes in can easily scan all the topics he/she chooses to view. at kung talagang maraming traffic sa forum at madaling mapunta sa ibang pages yung thread, a good topic/issue will always stay on top (at least for sometime) due to people's reply (correspondence). kapag nabaon ang isang thread, responsibilidad na ng thread starter to resurrect his thread by adding new posts doon sa thread or opening a new thread. I really think all people should be able to see all recently added and/or replied threads by just looking at the subjects and not go into some generic thread and find out if one of the topics or specific queries inside have any reply or not.  



   You have a good point about allowing it to be a single thread then just merge it in the future. For a slow moving topic this is okay but for heavy traffic topic, it would be very hard. If I will just think of a single thread maybe your suggestion would be the best, but I have to think also for the welfare of all using the Audio topic. Remember that Audio topic includes speakers, Tubes, HTIB and comparing all of these will be a chaos. Aside from comparison there are other individual discussions that we also moderate. We allow specific titles for example NAD receivers but for comparison purposes it would better just to merge it. You still get good replies even with merged threads. Dont worry about 1000 replies and ten the same threads happening in just 1 to 2 hours, i think that is very remote to happen and if ever it happens we have the date stamped in your post plus the yesterday and today feature. What is always happening  is NAD vs HK, NAD vs Denon, NAD vs Marantz, Nad vs NAD etc etc so we decided to combine  it so if it happens again, just check the comparison thread. At least when you start reading the thread you learn more about comparing receivers. At least if your question have been asked before which is the usual scenario, you dont have to ask again and if you want further question just quote the existing post. It is better to have a few threads with full of info than a lot of redundant threads.
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: wolf666 on Jul 19, 2003 at 04:43 PM
well, your views and my views are different. i'm a regular to a lot of international forums and their traffic is much much more than this. (am not saying theirs is better than your Audio forum). kaya i don't fiind this as a real reason.

anyway, as I have said, I was just voicing my concern and that I still feel robbed of my thread. Like what I replied on the other thread, I leave you the decision to delete/merge my thread but am sitll hopeful it wont be.

Let's stop this issue now. I am not the moderator here so I guess I have to follow your rules.
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Superman on Jul 19, 2003 at 04:48 PM
bro. levi,

sent you pm...thanks!  8)
Title: Re:Nad T762 vs Marantz SR7300
Post by: Philander on Jul 19, 2003 at 08:52 PM
Guys, gusto kong i-upgrade ang current receiver ko (Marantz SR7300) to Nad T762. Any comments. Bili ko sa SR7300 is $950 (singapore dollor) tapos ang presyo ng T762 is $1,550 (singapore dollar). Is this a wise decision? Gusto ko ang sound ng Marantz together with my Kef Q1 + Kef Q9c + Kef Cresta 2. Nung binili ko sya last December ay hindi pa lumalabas ang T762 and comparing it with other receivers (Yamaha and Denon), malayong malayo ang ganda ng sound ng SR7300 sa kanila. Pero first choice ko pa rin ang NAD with my speakers. Baka mag-upgrade na in ako ng mains ko to Kef Q7 within the year kaya excited akong bilhin yung T762. Appreciate anyones comment on my plan.

I may sell my Marantz SR7300 or just give it to my brother. Uuwi ako sa Sept sa Pilipinas and kung ibebenta ko dyan, magkano kaya ko sya pwedeng ibenta? thanks.

Let me give you  my inputs...

Almost the same ang features ng Marantz 7300 and NAD 762, though NAD is known for the integrity of its amplifier, or let us say sound quality.

Marantz 7300 has DTS 96khz/24-bit sound resolution, I don't know if this is another marketing style of DTS.

While the NAD has HDCD decoder.

If you are using Marantz SR7300 OSE, then I think there's no big reason to change (the OSE version has HDCD also).

We can't really give you more because most of us here hindi pa naririnig yang NAD 762. So its very hard to say who is better unless we heard them both. As for the technical specifications, like I said, there are no big differences.


By the way, regarding the price of your Marantz 7300, I think you can sell if for about 25K...
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: wolf666 on Jul 20, 2003 at 01:32 AM
Philander,
nagdadalawang isip din ako kung justifiable ba yung dollar difference ng NAD. I really like the sound of T762 pero i don't know kung worth it sya. my wife will also kill me kpag nakita nya itsura ng NAD, hehehe.

yung sa akin is not the OSE model. what is good about the SR7300 that came out here in singapore is that they do not exhibit the hiss tone problem other regions were experiencing.

magkano ba ngayon dyan ang 7300? presyo lang yata ng SR5300 (bnew) yung 25K and this model is made in china.
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: john5479 on Jul 20, 2003 at 03:58 AM
if its just the audio part your after why not just create a separate audio setup, the marantz sr7300 is good enough for ht, if you like nad why not get their integrateds or use a nad two channel amp to power your fronts, since the sr7300 has preouts.

the nad is made in china but i don't find that a problem since most of nad's products are made in china, its more of a cost thing, if the t762 were made in england it will cost much more.
Title: Re:NAD T762 vs Marantz SR7300
Post by: wolf666 on Jul 20, 2003 at 01:46 PM
john,
hhhmmm, paano ko ba sasagutin ang suggestion mo....
gusto ko kasi ang 2 channel as well as multi channel. dati akong hifi lang ang lately lang pumasok sa HT. syempre, as much as possible gusto ko yung receiver na pwede for both. pero again, dapat reasonable yung price at kailangan pang i-aaprove ni kumander yan, hehehe.

kung gagamit ako ng integrated amp for all 7 speakers, sobrang mahal na sya. kung retain ko marantz and add an integrated amp for my mains, 6.1 pa rin ang maximum kong setup. kung sa NAD T762 naman, default amp palang for its 6.1 channels will already be good. tapos kung dadagdagan ko sya ng intergrated amp for the mains, I can re-assign the internal amps to power sourround channels making 7.1 setup.

di talaga ako maka-decide. gusto ko pa naman yung CSII ng SR7300 and wala nito ang NAD.

about the manufacturing place, although some will say mentality lang yun (especially if you talk to Chinese and Malaysian people) I still believe quality is more and their expertise especially in highends are still better in Japan (compared to China and Malaysia). Based din sa experience ko kaya ko nasabi ito, on general mas nag la-last sa akin ang mga made in Japan
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: H a n $ on Jul 20, 2003 at 02:24 PM
Wolf,

Cguro the best way is to bring your current speaker to the store that sell both AVR para you'll hear the diff right a way.. heard the SR6300 vs NAD T752 for me malayo ang sound ng NAD...

Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: wolf666 on Jul 20, 2003 at 04:02 PM
hans,
you mean mas maganda ang sound the NAD? this is also what i feel and hear. pero hindi ko alam kung worth it yung difference sa presyo. marami kasing factors ako kino-consider. pati nga design ng dalawa kasama doon dahil mahirap i-justify kay misis ang upgrade.
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: levi on Jul 20, 2003 at 11:33 PM
Get the NAD if you feel its better than your Marantz. Even if we think Marantz is better, you will always look for the NAD.
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: haribon on Jul 20, 2003 at 11:44 PM
take your time and let your ears decide. regarding the price difference, kung saan masaya ang tenga mo duon ka dahil panigurado hahanapin mo rin yun eh di mas magastos dahil upgrade ka na naman saka mas lalong mahirap ng mag justify kay misis nyan!  ;D
Title: Sony Ht-k25 or Yamaha rx-v530 (black) with nsp-230?
Post by: redisol on Jul 21, 2003 at 08:25 AM
Which one should I choose? Both are selling for roughly P21,000.  I have no immdeiate plans of upgrading the speakers.
Title: Re:Sony Ht-k25 or Yamaha rx-v530 (black) with nsp-230?
Post by: ADM202E on Jul 21, 2003 at 10:28 AM
Which one should I choose? Both are selling for roughly P21,000.  I have no immdeiate plans of upgrading the speakers.

Dude I suggest you get the yamaha model. MAy I also suggest for you to get yamaha 430 gold at 12.3k at spectra parksquare 1, halos same lang ang performance vs 530, medyo madami lang inputs and outputs. This is very tempting offer at entry level receivers.

Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Philander on Jul 21, 2003 at 11:11 AM
Philander,
nagdadalawang isip din ako kung justifiable ba yung dollar difference ng NAD. I really like the sound of T762 pero i don't know kung worth it sya. my wife will also kill me kpag nakita nya itsura ng NAD, hehehe.

yung sa akin is not the OSE model. what is good about the SR7300 that came out here in singapore is that they do not exhibit the hiss tone problem other regions were experiencing.

magkano ba ngayon dyan ang 7300? presyo lang yata ng SR5300 (bnew) yung 25K and this model is made in china.

Basta ako, I believe na overpriced ang NAD receivers.

Lahat na ng Marantz *300 series eh, nawala na yung hissing sound.

Brand new Marantz 7300 here I think is about 35K while the 5300 is less than 23K.

I just quoted a price which I think fair, considering your purchased price, the condition (second hand) and the depreciation. Just giving my opinion, you can higher it to as much as you want though...

Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: john5479 on Jul 21, 2003 at 11:44 AM
for me personally, the only nad receivers that I think that's overpriced is the nad t741 and t742. The sound from the nad using any speaker sounds really good, which is what you pay for, this receiver is what I will get if I want a compromise with audio and ht on a single setup.

Personally I think its just better to stick with the marantz then just save money and just upgrade to a 7.1 setup when the software becomes available, by that time you would have a lot more choices and the hardware would be more cheaper. marantz is already good for audio.
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: levi on Jul 21, 2003 at 07:39 PM
IMO Marantz 7300 is already a high model so why bother with the NAD. I think if ever there will be a difference in sound, it will be minimal. I would rather choose the suggestion of getting a separate Audio setup. You might spend the same thing plus you still get both worlds.
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Courage on Jul 22, 2003 at 09:53 AM
Mas gusto ko anmg sounding nang NAD, but this was NAD T752 against Marantz 6300 using Mission Speakers.
Title: Re:NAD T762 vs Marantz SR7300
Post by: av_phile on Jul 22, 2003 at 02:45 PM
john,
hhhmmm, paano ko ba sasagutin ang suggestion mo....
gusto ko kasi ang 2 channel as well as multi channel. dati akong hifi lang ang lately lang pumasok sa HT. syempre, as much as possible gusto ko yung receiver na pwede for both. pero again, dapat reasonable yung price at kailangan pang i-aaprove ni kumander yan, hehehe.

kung gagamit ako ng integrated amp for all 7 speakers, sobrang mahal na sya. kung retain ko marantz and add an integrated amp for my mains, 6.1 pa rin ang maximum kong setup. kung sa NAD T762 naman, default amp palang for its 6.1 channels will already be good. tapos kung dadagdagan ko sya ng intergrated amp for the mains, I can re-assign the internal amps to power sourround channels making 7.1 setup.

di talaga ako maka-decide. gusto ko pa naman yung CSII ng SR7300 and wala nito ang NAD.

about the manufacturing place, although some will say mentality lang yun (especially if you talk to Chinese and Malaysian people) I still believe quality is more and their expertise especially in highends are still better in Japan (compared to China and Malaysia). Based din sa experience ko kaya ko nasabi ito, on general mas nag la-last sa akin ang mga made in Japan

What are you looking for in an audio set-up?

Personally, I'd stick with the marantz 7300 as it is already more than adequate for any HT set-up for now or within the next 18 months.  Like i said in my earlier reply to your dilemna, I don't think getting  that NAD receiver will yield that much discernible difference in sound quality.  The 7300 is already top-notch in its class.

And if you really want to go hi-end sound in an audio-set-up, going receivers will never get you there (arguably unless you go to their flagship models.)   That is usually reserved for separates.

You don't need to go integrated as well.  In your case, sayang lang yung preamp section nun.  Get a separate multi-channel power amplifier which you can connect to the 6.1 pre-outs of your Marantz. Your Marantz then becomes a preamp driiving a much better or more powerful amplifer.  For the price of a NAD receiver, (which i hear is overpriced), you can just save some more and get a Rotel, Harman/Kardon, Parasound, Arcam or even a NAD multi-channel power amp.  I believe that would maximize the value from your cash and existing set-up.  And there should be dramatically improved audible difference.

Alternately, you can start with just an excellent stereo power amp connected to your Marantz' front pre-outs.  that way you can just shut-off the other channels for stereo listening.  Could be wrong , but i think for the price of NAD receiver, you could already get a good Rotel 2-channel power amp.

Then, you can upgrade later the Marantz receiver to a pure multi-channel pre-amp like those from Rotel, Sunfire, Krell, Denon, Proceed or maybe a Lexicon ($$$).

Ofcourse, if you're heart is really set on that NAD, go ahead.  Anything that makes you happy.

Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: john5479 on Jul 22, 2003 at 06:24 PM
just want to clear things up. like I said nad receivers are not overpriced per se.

example:
HK avr5500 is 5.1   80w x 5 ~ 34K - many pinoydvd'ers have this receiver
NAD T752  also 5.1 80w x 5 ~ 31K

practically the same features except for the proprietary ones like logic7 for hk and ears for the nad. hk5500 has hdcd and mp3 decoding as well. both are hefty.

nad has two subouts, hk has one, nad has a variable crossover from 120 hz down to 40hz, hk has 120, 100 and 80. hk 5500 is made in korea, nad t752 is made in china. you can assign the built in amps of the nad to surround back should you use an external power amp, the HK5500 i'm not sure. Sound quality wise both receivers are good...and in regards to the preamp section of the nad ? lets just say that my previous 5 channel sony amp sounded way better using the nad, compared to the preamp section of my previous marantz receiver...so are all nad receivers overpriced? personally I don't think so.

In regards to upgrading, changing to a different receiver should not yield that much of a benefit sonically..unless you are upgrading from an entry level receiver to a upper mid-end model. if you have a mid level receiver, there isn't much of a difference not unless you go to a separate pre-pro and multichannel amp setup. but if the concern is multichannel audio you have to spend much more...i would still go for a stereo setup if thats the case.




Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: bi0hazard on Jul 22, 2003 at 06:26 PM
hmmm nad seems to be much maligned in this forum. what do you guys mean by "overpriced"?

im just wondering because i've read tons of reviews, user feedback etc, customer testimonials about nad products and for the most part theyve all been very positive (with the exception of quality control, seem to pop up every new release or so). most reviewers go as far as saying that with nad (and rotel for that matter as most people seem to bunch them together), ur getting a sound which you wouldnt otherwise get unless u spent twice or thrice as  much. none of them consider the nad's overpriced at all. nad and rotel are oftentimes referred to as "budget" hi-fi, they give you a taste of hifi without the hefty admission fee.

thankfully, nad and rotel products are becoming available locally and i was available to try out the new int amps and av receivers on numerous occassions. i was already happy with my marantz sr4200 as i felt that it was already the most musical receiver i could afford (similarly priced dens and yams that i tried just didnt cut it in music). but when i tried the nad t752 at park square i was really amazed at its musicality. they had it hooked up to the same mission speakers that i had but they played my music quite differently. i tried my familiar cds and the nad gave out a warm, lush performance throughout. ahhh something worth saving up for...

btw, a friend who owns an sr7200 also was also quite taken with the warm character of the nad av receiver we tried. between my 4200 and 7200 (which was more expensive than the t752 when it first came out), we couldnt tell much difference in the sound quality (which annoyed him no end hehe) but we both agreed that the t752 bested both.
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: john5479 on Jul 23, 2003 at 06:04 AM
This is not to say that nad is the best. my only point in commenting on nad receivers being overpriced is that for me that is just unfair. Its only now that there is a distributor of nad here in pinas that the price and availability of nad products was better, unlike the other brands which have been available here for the longest time. If some find the pricings expensive..its because they are testing the market for demand. by the way rotel has a 75 x 5 reciever with practically the same features as the nad and hk, and it sells here for 70k, now I think that is overpriced.
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: jofkevski on Jul 24, 2003 at 10:37 AM
The issue is just being made complicated by other in this thread. It is just a matter of upgrading a members 7300 to 762.

I have not heard both of them, but judging on each receivers positioning of their models, and since both are reputable brands of decent following, I tend to agree with av_phile that going 762 is more of an upgrade in expenses than sonic benefits, and demotion of some features.

Kung personal choice ko naman ang paiiralin ko, I will stick to 7300 - I can consider 7300 a higher model than 762 and noting marantz track record on music and HT, especially the high end models such as 7300 - it is indeed a good buy.

However, kung talagang matindi ang itch mo for NAD762 (be it because of your sonic inclination or sheer fun of doing changes in your AV gear), e wag nang mag-isip - APROVE WITHOUT THINKING - GO FOR NAD762. At least you can be more productive thinking other things than to be in constant agony to upgrade or not to upgrade (expenses I mean).
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: john5479 on Jul 24, 2003 at 11:56 AM
if you were starting from scratch then choosing the nad over the marantz is not a big deal, the t762 is more heftier than the 7300. And its 100w over 6 channels is continuous, it has a beefier power supply as well which is always a good thing. They are models which are at par if you just base it on specs. soundwise the nad is better, I don't wonder why you are itching to get the nadt762.....you are not degrading by any means, just a minor upgrade at the least.

but if you have a 7300 already...upgrading to a nadt762 (as much i prefer the nad over the marantz) may not give you that much of an upgrade compared to if you had an entry level receiver before. you have to spend much more if you want a huge leap in sonics. The nad sounds better but if you're going to sell the 7300 for a lesser cost to get the nadt762, just stick to the 7300, save up some more and get a very good two channel amp or multichannel amp for that matter.
Title: Marantz 4300 or Denon 1803
Post by: kimera on Jul 27, 2003 at 10:08 AM
which one you think is better? magkano ba jan sa atin ngayong itong dalawng ito?

speakers to be used will either be  B&W DM303s or Mission (pls suggest, counterpart ng 303)

cheers guys!

Title: Re:Marantz 4300 or Denon 1803
Post by: Superman on Jul 27, 2003 at 11:22 AM
just my 2-cents...

the only person who can tell which is better, which sounds better, which has better features is ..... YOU  ;D

had a chance of being able to listen and audition both...i have nothing against denon, but if i were to choose i'd gladly pick out the sr4300...but, hey, they are one company na, di ba? so i'm sure sonic qualities are very similar...i'm maintaining a marantz sr4300 as a basic home theater set-up...and i'm very satisfied with it...

thanks!  8)
Title: Re:Marantz 4300 or Denon 1803
Post by: kimera on Jul 27, 2003 at 11:28 AM
thanks a lot superman

i know what you mean that its all up to me, actually i came from a denon 2802 but i sold them coz i just got myself a front projection system, now that i hve some extra money, im thinking of gettine one anew (im using a HTIB with no DTS, kinda miss my old setup hehehe)

im also a former DM303 user that's why im thinking of switching to mission this time

id like to know if the marantz and missions are dependable and are of good quality? nde na kasi ako masyado updated eh

thanks
Title: Re:Marantz 4300 or Denon 1803
Post by: Superman on Jul 27, 2003 at 11:55 AM
thanks a lot superman

i know what you mean that its all up to me, actually i came from a denon 2802 but i sold them coz i just got myself a front projection system, now that i hve some extra money, im thinking of gettine one anew (im using a HTIB with no DTS, kinda miss my old setup hehehe)

im also a former DM303 user that's why im thinking of switching to mission this time

id like to know if the marantz and missions are dependable and are of good quality? nde na kasi ako masyado updated eh

thanks


they're very much compatible...sonny tuazon's the home theater has this set-up combo...thanks!
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: levi on Jul 27, 2003 at 01:47 PM
The 4300 is a lower model than the 1803. Try comparing it to a Marantz 6300. For the speakers, you can try the Mission M70i series.
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: BuLLeT on Jul 27, 2003 at 06:28 PM
Marantz AVRs and Mission combo are a good match.

I have a 4300 paired with M73i as fronts together with other M7 series for the rest of the set-up.

If I had extra money during that time, I would have gotten the 6300 since they can really maximize the potential of the Mission speakers or  any speaker for that matter since it has enough power under its wings and you can easily hear the sonic difference bet. its smaller brother.

The thing is the 6300 costs almost twice as much  as the 4300.

Either of the two is  a good choice. It all boils donw to one's preference and perception of what is pleasing to the ears.... and of course ... one's budget.
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: kimera on Jul 29, 2003 at 10:41 AM
thanks a lot peeps

yeah 4300 doesnt seem to rival the 1803 spec for spec so i went comparing it to the 6300, while the 6300 "could" be a better unit, it still doesnt have component video in/out (and switching for that matter) which i will be using,  so i've decided to get the 1803, though 1804 would be released anytime now, the difference isnt be that much and i wont pay large amount of money for such small difference

now the only problem left is the speakers.  im thinking of getting the Mission M74 (fronts) and M72 (for surrounds) or would i be better off with the 303/LCR3 combo? if you say the M74 sounds as good as the 303s, that would be alright since i loved my 303s back then, but if the M74 suc_ks, then i think i'll get the 303s.

how about the DM600S3? any noticeable difference between t he 600 and the 303? also can you suggest a centre speaker for te M74/M72 combo

cheers
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: iceman90a on Jul 29, 2003 at 12:19 PM
m72 for surrounds might be overkill - i'm using m71's right now and feel that they are under utilized. might go fo another pair of m70's just so i can use the m71's for a separate audio set-up (only cost is keeping me from doing that right now: new amp, cd player, etc.)

for a center - an m7c2 would be great for the m74, but an m7c1 would be more than adequate  :)
Title: Re:onkyo tx-ds474 / yamaha rxv496
Post by: Onion Skin on Jul 29, 2003 at 08:45 PM
May nagbebenta pa ba ng onkyo tx-ds474? saan? price? I'll appreciate your infos.
Title: Re:onkyo tx-ds474 / yamaha rxv496
Post by: mdsaint3 on Jul 29, 2003 at 09:35 PM
try park square...di ko lam name nun store sa kaliwa ng spectra..
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: av_phile on Jul 30, 2003 at 10:27 AM
m72 for surrounds might be overkill - i'm using m71's right now and feel that they are under utilized. might go fo another pair of m70's just so i can use the m71's for a separate audio set-up (only cost is keeping me from doing that right now: new amp, cd player, etc.)

for a center - an m7c2 would be great for the m74, but an m7c1 would be more than adequate  :)

If you start to play and listen to DVD-audio or SACD without an analog bass management  the m72 for the rear may not even be adequate.  Even for HT, there are some materials especially on DTS that have directional bass information at the rear speakers that some bass-starved bookshelves and dipoles may not be able to reproduce properly.   I found this out by accident as i just relegated a DTX floorstandner to the back and rediscovered to my delight some DVD titles with excellent rear bass information.  That set-up also made listening to DVD-As even on DD/DTS tracks a real pleasure.  Just my 2 cents.
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: jofkevski on Aug 01, 2003 at 01:26 PM
Real Power comparison of AVR - found by nels76 inthe marantz

threadhttp://www.geocities.com/Area51/Hollow/3401/ratevsac.htm  
 
Maybe, the question of power consumption is partially answered by this findings. Also, you will note how each model really fared, in case you are in search of your AVR.
 


Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Philander on Aug 01, 2003 at 01:38 PM
Look also the "real power" of Yamaha 730. Supposedly a higher model (and power) than Yamaha 630.... what more the real power of YAMAHA 630???????????????

Maybe kaya mong ipagtanggol.
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: nels76 on Aug 01, 2003 at 02:10 PM


http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Hollow/3401/ratevsac.htm

Thanks Jofkevski for the credits.

Anyway, I have re-posted the link here.

If the windows starts to open, maximize immeditely so the pop-up will be on the upper right corner.

Note: iyong nai-post na link ni jofkevski my error. You can't open that dahil may "thread" sa simula ng link.
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: ariel on Aug 01, 2003 at 02:23 PM
ok ang mga Harman Kardon!
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: mdsaint3 on Aug 01, 2003 at 02:24 PM
ok ang mga Harman Kardon!

o nga :)
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Courage on Aug 01, 2003 at 02:44 PM
ok ang mga Harman Kardon!

Talagang ok na ok ehehehe
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: jofkevski on Aug 01, 2003 at 02:46 PM
O sige pagbibigyan kita.

First, before I bought yamaha 630, I have clear things in my mind what I want.

- under home cinema, the 630, in stereo mode is rated 92wpc before clipping - better than the 620 which is only about 60wpc yata. so stereo wise, this unit is ok.

- second, I am running after the 938 processor, because I think, this might have no replacement in the near future for yamaha. and this became true when yamaha came out with x40 series - the 938 remains the same.

- third, when 630 came out, it is easily became a hit itself, a 5-star hifi and EISA choice among known AV receivers.

- fourth, have not settled with 530, since I need a pre-out from AVR. My positioning of my 630 is of pre/pro. Ask av_phile about this. I have raised a possibility of powering my 630 as pre/pro using identical high power branded amps from pier because I have a feeling that those amp in pier is far more powerful than these recent AVR and at a much cheaper cost.

- fifth, I have not reacted immediately to itchiness to buy kaagad, so I waited until the news came out that 640 is about to come, meaning the 630 will be somewhere around 18k (from about 30-35k) just like what happened to 620. So I got my 630 just for 19k.

- sixth, I am aware that 630 is as good (or as bad) as other consumer mid or low entry AVR, that it might be 40-50wpc on 6channel (which has been the findings on the earlier AVRs). however, I am not fond of center channel, and rear channel, so atmost, my 630, even if used as AVR amp itself, using the findings in the URL above, will pump 56wpc x 4.

- seventh, being practical audiophile cynic (he he he), the wattage issue in this URL is not much of an advantage or disadvantage. for the simple reason that listening levels (as I said in 1 of my post) kung bingi ka this is about 20-30 watts. my listening level is typically, about 10-20watts. thus, even at 37wpc on 6 channel, it is still half of the capacity of yamaha 630. You only reach the full potential of whatever high power (50 - 60 -70 -80 - 90 - 100 watts ) you have if you are feeling crazy, driving your amp and speaker to its limits for the sheer fun of it, other than that, I dont know

- eighth, will not argue with you on yamaha position in the HT arena, will just let you go to comparison test of reputable and respectable audio sites

- ninth, oh boy, you can play a lot of things (DSP variations) in my yamaha, during days you have nothing productive to do than indulge yourself to any type of "nirvana" that comes to your head

- tenth, if it still power consumption or watts per channel your only issue in buying your AVR, we are not on the same camp

No further comment, your honor

So ask me why I am so happy with my purchase of 630? Cheers!!!
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: james16 on Aug 01, 2003 at 03:01 PM
Go go Harman Kardon!!!!!
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: jofkevski on Aug 01, 2003 at 03:02 PM
Siyangapala, the 630 is now 17k at LR, megamall. Di ko na alam sino nag-post ng news na ito.

The 630 is the EISA award winner.

http://www.yamaha.co.jp/english/product/av/index.html

The RX-V630RDS has been honoured with an EISA Award for Best Home Theater Amplifier 2002-2003.
The prestigious EISA Awards are chosen by media representatives from up to 20 European countries.
The RX-V630RDS provides the same performance and features as the RX-V630 except for RDS functions.

Again, it is always prudent to educate oneself first what really matters before deciding on your gear. then listen. Then read experiences of others. then strategize to buy.

this is 1 cent ro me.

Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: shine on Aug 01, 2003 at 03:15 PM
next upgrade din ako sa 630 pagkatapos nun, di na ako magbabasa nang pinoydvd.
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Philander on Aug 01, 2003 at 04:02 PM
O sige pagbibigyan kita.

First, before I bought yamaha 630, I have clear things in my mind what I want.

Really? Please re-read your first posts here in PinoyDVD, before you bought your first AVR. You praised the Harman Kardon and told everyone that one of the best receiver is the HK. You haven't mentioned anything about Yamaha until you finally bought it because of the main (or first) reason: Price.

Then you keep praising Yamaha and insisting that is the best receiver. You contradicted your own posts by telling us “to forget the high-current amps” and that “musicality is subjective”. You keep on insisting to be “TECHNICAL”. Then now you are bashing the Harman Kardon and HK owners lately.

What you are showing by your actions is your childish tendency to "love your own" and be biased to what you own. I wonder how you would act when you find another brand better than Yahama, let's see how fast your loyalty disappear or should we say shift.

Oh please, don’t edit/erase any of your posts….

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- third, when 630 came out, it is easily became a hit itself, a 5-star hifi and EISA choice among known AV receivers.

- Any site or magazine can give a certain receiver as high as 6 stars or even hundreds of stars. It is there opinion and preference and it does not always follow that what they say is the best will be the best for all of us. We just use these ratings as reference.

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- fourth, have not settled with 530, since I need a pre-out from AVR. My positioning of my 630 is of pre/pro. Ask av_phile about this. I have raised a possibility of powering my 630 as pre/pro using identical high power branded amps from pier because I have a feeling that those amp in pier is far more powerful than these recent AVR and at a much cheaper cost.

Feeling? I thought you said we should be very TECHNICAL about this matters.

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- sixth, I am aware that 630 is as good (or as bad) as other consumer mid or low entry AVR, that it might be 40-50wpc on 6channel (which has been the findings on the earlier AVRs). however, I am not fond of center channel, and rear channel, so atmost, my 630, even if used as AVR amp itself, using the findings in the URL above, will pump 56wpc x 4.

- seventh, being practical audiophile cynic (he he he), the wattage issue in this URL is not much of an advantage or disadvantage. for the simple reason that listening levels (as I said in 1 of my post) kung bingi ka this is about 20-30 watts. my listening level is typically, about 10-20watts. thus, even at 37wpc on 6 channel, it is still half of the capacity of yamaha 630. You only reach the full potential of whatever high power (50 - 60 -70 -80 - 90 - 100 watts ) you have if you are feeling crazy, driving your amp and speaker to its limits for the sheer fun of it, other than that, I dont know

I think it would be better if you just bought a 10-20watts receiver (you may save something) and insist to drive hard-driven, high power, low-sensitivity and low-impedance speakers. Just a thought.

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- eighth, will not argue with you on yamaha position in the HT arena, will just let you go to comparison test of reputable and respectable audio sites

Same with my reply in your third entry.

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- ninth, oh boy, you can play a lot of things (DSP variations) in my yamaha, during days you have nothing productive to do than indulge yourself to any type of "nirvana" that comes to your head

If you want to listen to those vanillas then go on, if that's a “cynic audiophile” means to you.

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- tenth, if it still power consumption or watts per channel your only issue in buying your AVR, we are not on the same camp

Of course! And you keep insisting that yours is a high-accurate power AVR.


Note: No offense meant to other Yamaha 630 owners and future owners.
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: john5479 on Aug 01, 2003 at 04:13 PM
this link was posted before in this same thread. for continuous power on all channels the ones that stand out are the older models of onkyo receivers(wonder why some complain on the power ratings on the newer line?), hk and nad.

hmmn buti pa yung nad, mas mababa yung advertised power rating compared to actual performance..cool no ?  forgive me for my indulgence guys  ;D

oh, hk's no slouch either, sayang di raw sensible ang reviews sabi ng iba dyan kaya sorry na lang daw. oh and their amps are quite capable...but they aren't operating under class A as one kept on insisting before ;D the previous sentence is not meant to bash hk b4 u react guys..just clearing some misconceptions  :)
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: jofkevski on Aug 01, 2003 at 04:23 PM
I will not answer so much of the post you made here. I am not even comparing yamaha and HK, what the heck.

The fact that I praised HK in its strength is proof enough that I am not bashing HK. Baka naman yung bubbles mo about HK ang na-burst ko.

You may have misread earlier posts because you have taken it out of context - it has reference to previous post in the thread - specific receivers being compared, and yamaha is not among them. I think you should be the one to revisit my post.

In fact I am not biased - I posted the URL by nels76 inspite of the fact 630 is not shining in its findings. Maybe you are angry because your rejoicing is quite short. You feel I bashed HK here in my recent post - but did I do that? You challenged me to prove my purchase of 630 - so I did. So whats your ranting all about? Is not you the one being childish in the first place?

The Yamaha 630 is an accurate receiver. I did not say this. It ws said by a known audiophile store in Australia (www.eastwoodhifi.com). Sorry for me not being original. I just dont want to impose my opinion on others so I keep quoting people just in case you bark at the wrong tree.

Perhaps this thread could be more objective if you could have posted similar articles (like the findings of nels76) or citation of your HK. or else everything we said here will just be purely hot air.

Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: nels76 on Aug 01, 2003 at 04:30 PM
HK win the Hearts of many people because of one of the many reasons that it shows a higher power than the declared specs.

HK declares a conservative power and there actual power is somewhat higher. And that made them being loved by HT Fanatics.

Wow, mukha magandang strategy yan ha.

"Alright R & D Team I want you to make a receiver which has a power of 90W x 6. But please, oh please when you document the specifications and include that in the Instruction Manual just say 75W x 6, ok team?"

Do you get the point?

No offense.
 
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: sebman on Aug 01, 2003 at 04:38 PM

HK win the Hearts of many people because of test showed that its declared power is lesser than the measured power.

HK declares a conservative power and there actual power is somewhat higher. And that made them being loved by HT Fanatics.

Wow, mukha magandang strategy yan ha.

"Alright R & D Team I want you to make a receiver which has a power of 90W x 6. But please, oh please when you document the specifications and include that in the Instruction Manual just say 75W x 6, ok team?

Do you get my point?

No offense.
 

pwede..  ;D anyway the price is still at par or even higher the competitors price..
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: jofkevski on Aug 01, 2003 at 04:39 PM

oh, hk's no slouch either, sayang di raw sensible ang reviews sabi ng iba dyan kaya sorry na lang daw. oh and their amps are quite capable...but they aren't operating under class A as one kept on insisting before ;D the previous sentence is not meant to bash hk b4 u react guys..just clearing some misconceptions  :)


This is a good example. the HK2550 is rated 50wpc (2 channels). the homecinemachoice tested this amp can reach 75wpc at 8ohms before clipping. If you look at the manual, the power consumption is 72W idle/ 580W maximum (2 channels - only -  driven). So where is the other 430watts - could it be a typographical error?Again, this is not bashing HK - it is just my observation.
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Philander on Aug 01, 2003 at 04:49 PM
Eto ba yun:

It really interests me how come, despite this tech discussion and ampacity rating thats seems good in paper, is not consistently reflected in side-by-side reviews of AVR of which HK is one of the participants.

I just came across 1 head-to-head review where HK top it but by a small margin - but normally HK is basically overtaken by either marantz or Denon in musicality, and by Yamaha in HT.

I mean, these people have standards of measurement and have all reference gadgets to put all AVR in equal footing, and all thing being equal in test labs or listening room, have to be tested one by one and their merits compared. And they are not alone to vote for the best also.

I just came to think that perhaps, all this are just marketing gimmicks by HK, and maybe marketing gimicks by respective review organization of which all AVR manufacturers are involved (including HK for this matter)....

Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Philander on Aug 01, 2003 at 04:51 PM
Eto pa:

My comments on new Yamaha receivers x40 series.

About the hoopla on high current:
- Yamaha receivers have been a good receivers that publishes accurate ratings  (e.g. 630 though rated 75Wpc can pump up to 88Wpc at .06%THD).....
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Philander on Aug 01, 2003 at 04:54 PM
.....

The sound that some guys in this thread experimented with various AVR and made declaration their HK is better than Yamaha (or NAD or Pioneer or Denon and so on) is threading on a subjective issue of their tone inclination, not the strength or weakness of receivers. And if they want to debate it, i will not join them in this thread. I have read enough crap of so called "audiophiles" from this forum. And we have another one here advocating the fraud cable in his speaker. I can not blame him because he paid good money for cable which can be bought for P30 per meter. I hate to hurt his sense of dignity in admitting it was a rip off.

Of course, let it not be assumed that low cost RX-V430 is better then their HK 2550. The fact is RX-V430 is best valued than HK2550 around the world. I will not say HK is bad value than Yamaha - but I seldom see HK in many sensible and reputable reviews beating Yamaha. It is the other way around! Sorry HK lovers, this is diamond thread.....

Eat it (your own poison).
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: jofkevski on Aug 01, 2003 at 04:57 PM
".. maybe marketing gimicks by respective review organization of which ALL AVR manufacturers are involved (including HK for this matter)...."

so, am I bashing HK? or maybe I am bashing all AVR for this matter? you be the judge who is childish?

the accurate rating comments is not mine but quoted from www.eastwoodhifi.com. FYI, Philander. perhaps you can give them corrective statement for this matter.
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Philander on Aug 01, 2003 at 05:00 PM
By the way, wala pa akong Harman Kardon Receiver. Bibili pa lang, you may influence me with this, baka mapabili rin ako ng gusto mo.

 ;)
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: mdsaint3 on Aug 01, 2003 at 05:01 PM
HK win the Hearts of many people because of one of the many reasons that it shows a higher power than the declared specs.

HK declares a conservative power and there actual power is somewhat higher. And that made them being loved by HT Fanatics.

Wow, mukha magandang strategy yan ha.

"Alright R & D Team I want you to make a receiver which has a power of 90W x 6. But please, oh please when you document the specifications and include that in the Instruction Manual just say 75W x 6, ok team?"

Do you get the point?

No offense.
 

I guess humble lang ang mga taga hk na may ibubuga !!! unlike iba dyan
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: jofkevski on Aug 01, 2003 at 05:04 PM
My, my, Philander. Perhaps, it will be more truthful if you have posted the previous post in the thread where you get those post of mine so readers in this thread will know what you are talking about - than taking it as a stand alone post - hiding your own posts prior to that. have really taken it personally eh?

It is like taking one verse of the bible that says "there is no God!" and many believed so without reading the previous context -

The fool said to his heart, "There is no God!"

What else could be so erroneous? and dissastrous?
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Philander on Aug 01, 2003 at 05:25 PM
No need for that. Forumers here are intelligent and open-minded.
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: sillyputty on Aug 01, 2003 at 07:12 PM
Yam 730( 1 step higher than 630) clips at 38x5(or 6) watts. This is based on this site.
http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Hollow/3401/ratevsac.htm

The site doesn't have any new models of HK though...but based on the past models, tama yung ratings. As in pag sinabing 70watts, kaya nya yung 70 watts. Doesn't matter kung gaano pa kataas ang final value as long as mahigitan ang specs.

The question is why didn't yamaha post accurate specs,38 watts????

Pero siyempre, di lang yan ang pinagbabasihan natin sa pagbili ng AVRs.

PEACE! ;D
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: john5479 on Aug 02, 2003 at 04:41 AM
well its better to post conservative ratings, you can call it marketing hype but I prefer that rather than posting "maximum" power output ratings and not "continuous" ratings. now if all manufacturer's use this as a strategy....
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: nels76 on Aug 02, 2003 at 06:12 AM
This is a good example. the HK2550 is rated 50wpc (2 channels). the homecinemachoice tested this amp can reach 75wpc at 8ohms before clipping. If you look at the manual, the power consumption is 72W idle/ 580W maximum (2 channels - only -  driven). So where is the other 430watts - could it be a typographical error?Again, this is not bashing HK - it is just my observation.

I can answer your question.

As what the manual says based from you: 580W Max Power Comsumption. And your looking for the other 430Watts if the Amp is producing 75W at Stereo Mode?

Pare, the answer is there. That 75W per Channel is for stereo mode only (2 Channels). And the 580W is the reserved power if ever the Amp is operating Multi-channel in multi-channel mode. Doon siya gagamit ng 580W
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: kimera on Aug 02, 2003 at 08:44 AM
sorry but im off topic

i just wanna say that we all know its not all about the power that makes a good HT setup. i wouldnt even think that all of us here run our receivers at full volume, we probabaly normally turn the dial at about 60%-70% of the way meaning we dont use all that power, well this wont be the same if you have a big room with small receivers, if you've managed to get a house with a big space for your HT, you would probably can afford higher-end equipments

and besides we all know that music/HT setups are very subjective, what's good for me and may not be good to you and vice versa, that's why we always suggest to each other to audition the equipment coz the eventual buyer will always be the judge

as ive said, power is not all to it, we're setting up HTs here not mobile/discos...cheers!

£0.02
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: john5479 on Aug 02, 2003 at 09:34 AM

as ive said, power is not all to it, we're setting up HTs here not mobile/discos...cheers!

£0.02

With that in mind i guess companies should at least be more conservative in giving the specs.
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: losi_phile on Aug 02, 2003 at 09:48 AM
At least, now, we can blame some manufacturers for not telling the true ratings of their avrs (kailangan pang i-test ng iba para malaman ang true ratings nila) and be at peace with each other. ;D
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Courage on Aug 02, 2003 at 10:28 AM
At least, now, we can blame some manufacturers for not telling the true ratings of their avrs (kailangan pang i-test ng iba para malaman ang true ratings nila) and be at peace with each other. ;D

Actually minsan totoo naman ang sinasabi nila eh, for example sinabi nilang 100 watts per channel ang isang AVR tapos 6 channel, well hindi naman nila inindicate na 100 watts all channels driven and maybe that 100 watts is kung isang channel lang ang dinadrive so they are still correct, thats what i read about how they rate their AVR's so better to look for specs na nagsasabing all channels driven..kasi magtataka ka kung bakit sila hindi sinisita..
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: H a n $ on Aug 03, 2003 at 04:14 PM
AVR Conservative or over rated power???

The SOUND it produce is the most important!! :D :D buy what you like... matching is also important from cd player, speakers and even cables..
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: YrNeH on Aug 04, 2003 at 09:32 AM
tanong lang po mga experts.  my denon avr2802 specs says it has fully discrete, equal power six(6) separate amplifier channel 90watts each (total of 540W?) but then its power consumption is only 270watts.  where is the remaining 270W?  when you say "driven" what does that mean?

maraming salamat po mga ginoo.

shalom :)
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: ariel on Aug 04, 2003 at 10:02 AM
siguro it can produce 90watts if only 1 or 2 channels driven from 20hz~20khz. driven means the amplifier is being used or with input signal that lets it ouput the maximum power at acceptable distortion.
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: jofkevski on Aug 04, 2003 at 10:34 AM
Actually minsan totoo naman ang sinasabi nila eh, for example sinabi nilang 100 watts per channel ang isang AVR tapos 6 channel, well hindi naman nila inindicate na 100 watts all channels driven and maybe that 100 watts is kung isang channel lang ang dinadrive so they are still correct, thats what i read about how they rate their AVR's so better to look for specs na nagsasabing all channels driven..kasi magtataka ka kung bakit sila hindi sinisita..

What courage said is in fact the fact. What some buyers did not do is to read exactly what the specs are being said. or perhaps they are not at all very familiar how to read specs, and just rely on passed info.

For example, how will a person interpret the ff manual indication:

72Watts idle / 580 watts maximum (2 channels driven)

can this be it literally means - at no music it consumes 72watts, and if driven in 2 channels, the maximum it can go is 580 watts consumption.

or some other things. I am not saying nels76 is wrong or right in his interpretation. but reading carefully the construction of the item in the manual, my understanding is different from nels76 (no offense here).

Hans Adriane expressed that practical things that should noted in an AVR - how it sounds to you. Further, it should also be understood that movie programs (where this AVR is most used to) does not really provide full power programs into all 5 or six channels all at the same time, and if they do, very seldom. So perhaps make use of this reality not to provide too expensive power supply to an AVR for ordinary home listening - so that it can be experienced by people even those very tight on the budget.

Another thing is the use of powered subwoofer. The LFE in an AVR is the majority current eater in a power supply of the AVR. I can estimate that 100Hz and below might consume the 25% of the total music power (but this could be conservative and may even climb up to about 40%). So delegating my LFE to my subwoofer, and make my satellite speaker as small speakers, can further provide extra reserve for your AVR power, in case you want your power extended for any reason whatsoever.

So with this input, you can really tailor how and up to what extent do you want to drive your AVR.
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: nels76 on Aug 04, 2003 at 01:51 PM
No Prob Jofkevski.

Ganoon ba nakalagay sa HK Manual? 580W consumption at Stereo mode? Wow, Flat Iron nga 1000W consumption and if use for 1hr, 1kw-hr agad iyon.

580W at Stereo Mode is too much power being eaten.
So far only HK publishes Idle Mode Power Consumption and that is 72W. Kahit nakatunganga lang receiver and walang signal na pina-process kumakain ng 72W?
That's strange. Saan niya gagamitin iyon?
Sa LCD? Lights? Where?

Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: H a n $ on Aug 04, 2003 at 02:18 PM
Nel,

Kaya ako I don't use my HK na more often..  ;D ;D
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: nels76 on Aug 04, 2003 at 02:52 PM

Imagine at 580W Power Consumption and watching movies for 2hrs using your HT Setup (Average Length of Movies) para ka na ring nagplantsa ng 1hr.

Anyway, if you're comfortable with that, no prob. if not, kaunti tipid. just like hans. he he.  
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: bunkieboy on Aug 04, 2003 at 04:15 PM

Imagine at 580W Power Consumption and watching movies for 2hrs using your HT Setup (Average Length of Movies) para ka na ring nagplantsa ng 1hr.

Anyway, if you're comfortable with that, no prob. if not, kaunti tipid. just like hans. he he.  


that's why i started avoiding using my HT when i play my Xbox. i average 3hrs a day of game play :) so nowadays i just hook my game console to the HT only when i have friends to impress ;D
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: john5479 on Aug 05, 2003 at 07:52 AM
No Prob Jofkevski.

Ganoon ba nakalagay sa HK Manual? 580W consumption at Stereo mode? Wow, Flat Iron nga 1000W consumption and if use for 1hr, 1kw-hr agad iyon.

580W at Stereo Mode is too much power being eaten.
So far only HK publishes Idle Mode Power Consumption and that is 72W. Kahit nakatunganga lang receiver and walang signal na pina-process kumakain ng 72W?
That's strange. Saan niya gagamitin iyon?
Sa LCD? Lights? Where?



the 72W power consumption when idle might be with the amps, coz the receiver gets hot even when idle, this is ideal so when you actually use the amps are "warmed up" somethin like that  :)
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Courage on Aug 05, 2003 at 10:21 AM

Imagine at 580W Power Consumption and watching movies for 2hrs using your HT Setup (Average Length of Movies) para ka na ring nagplantsa ng 1hr.

Anyway, if you're comfortable with that, no prob. if not, kaunti tipid. just like hans. he he.  


Actualy kung babasahin mo yung specs, tapos nakalagay na 780 watts maximum consumption, aabot ka lang sa 780 watts kung full power mo pagaganahin yung AVR, means kung todo ang volume, but kung  normal listening lang. hindi naman kokonsumo yung AVR mo nang 780 watts..

Ull notice this if u compare the heat build up at lower volume and higher volume, mas madaling uminit pag malakas volume mo kasi its consuming lots of power..
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: sebman on Aug 05, 2003 at 11:13 AM
Actualy kung babasahin mo yung specs, tapos nakalagay na 780 watts maximum consumption, aabot ka lang sa 780 watts kung full power mo pagaganahin yung AVR, means kung todo ang volume, but kung  normal listening lang. hindi naman kokonsumo yung AVR mo nang 780 watts..

Ull notice this if u compare the heat build up at lower volume and higher volume, mas madaling uminit pag malakas volume mo kasi its consuming lots of power..

from experience.. upon purchasing an HK3550 i became aware that the power consumption is high based on the manual its 580 watts and 72 watts on idle mode.. so when i used it on a 2 channel audio because i only have a pair of valdus 100, i immediately leave it and went outside and stared at our electric meter reader..  ;D and was happy since its not as fast as opposed when using the flat iron..  :) maybe when i completed my speakers that i would see significant increase on our electric consumption..  :-[
Title: Onkyo TX-DS797 vs Onkyo TX-SR701
Post by: galahad on Aug 07, 2003 at 11:13 AM
What would you recommend between these 2 AV receivers?

Thanks!  :D
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: obey on Aug 26, 2003 at 12:42 PM
NAD T752 vs. HK AVR5500

Ano ba ang major differences ng sound quality ng dalawa (especially in 2-ch audio)?  Ano ang mas preferred niyo?  Thanks!
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Courage on Aug 26, 2003 at 12:57 PM
NAD T752 vs. HK AVR5500

Ano ba ang major differences ng sound quality ng dalawa (especially in 2-ch audio)?  Ano ang mas preferred niyo?  Thanks!

Para lang po sa akin ha, since i used both na, both are good sounding pero mas preferred ko ang HK. But its just me.
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: john5479 on Aug 26, 2003 at 02:33 PM
sound quality wise there really isn't that much of a difference.

hk is more forward sounding (mas ok for ht)
nad is laid back (to me mas ok for music). But both are good...its all in your preference (majority here like hk).

I prefer the nad though for music because of the microdetails I hear whenever I play music through this receiver, some would like the hk better because it delivers music with gusto. its all up to you :)
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: doughn on Aug 26, 2003 at 05:59 PM
hello  :D

any denon recvr users here ??

i got denon 3802 match with nht speakers, bought it june 2002. im very satisfied with it (for now)  ;D  i use to have yamaha 1070 but i compare it with denon in stereo mode. although the yammie weigh much heavier , the denon sounds much much louder & better.

have an audition.
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: obey on Aug 27, 2003 at 02:06 PM
Ok.  Medyo O.T., how do you exactly define a "laid-back" sound?  What is being laid-back, the instruments, vocals, etc?  

Medyo naguguluhan lang kasi ako.  Di ba dapat mas marinig mo yung details pag forward sounding ang AVR?  Pasensiya na at medyo ignorante pa dahil newbie :D  Thanks!
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: H a n $ on Aug 27, 2003 at 02:44 PM
Obey,

Ako rin medyo magugulohan hehehe but hope this may help a little bit laidback is like when your sitting in the sweet spot ( close eyes ) the vocals are not in your face or kinda far but centered tapos yun instruments are somewhat lower in volume.. tapos yun forward sounding naman is like the voice of the singer in just in front of you and intruments volume is just the same as the vocals..  I prefer the laidback kasi in high volume mas swabe ang sound and according to some guru the recording of the music also influence the laidback sound. and also done some experiment yun speaker positioning also influence the laidback sound..


but I may be wrong  ;D ;D
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: H a n $ on Aug 27, 2003 at 02:49 PM
obey,

Agree ako kina Sir John and sir Lancer, fortunate to have used both AVR minimal difference lang sila sa sound its more of a matter of preference na lang for me I prefer HK for music while NAD for Movies naman..

HK 5500 gamit ko sir obey..
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: john5479 on Aug 27, 2003 at 05:12 PM
Ok.  Medyo O.T., how do you exactly define a "laid-back" sound?  What is being laid-back, the instruments, vocals, etc?  

Medyo naguguluhan lang kasi ako.  Di ba dapat mas marinig mo yung details pag forward sounding ang AVR?  Pasensiya na at medyo ignorante pa dahil newbie :D  Thanks!

Pag forward masyado ang sound, some instruments tend to overwhelm the other so less details, but if you listen to rock this is not a problem  ;) But if you like to listen to instrumentals, vocals i'm not sure if you really like the vocals to sound "in your face" all the time, hence my preference to NAD.

We're all here to help so don't hesitate to ask, but it always boils down to your preference. Mas madali though makakuha ng HK5500 though than a nadt752 so most likely you'll get the former, you'll like it though i'm sure.
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: obey on Aug 27, 2003 at 07:55 PM
John5479,

Thanks for the replies!  I'm not really planning to buy any of the mentioned receivers. ;)  I'm just intrigued by the fact that these receivers are getting good reviews in the forum.  

Siguro, pag may kamag-anak na lang ako sa states  na uuwi sa Pinas tsaka ako magpapabili. ;D  Happy naman ako sa present setup ko.

Thanks ulit!
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: redkoji on Aug 30, 2003 at 10:39 AM
As for the NAD T752...malapit namin uli introduce sa market...sorry for the delay cause by two wrong programmed chip but this was already fix.

So the new released will not have the old problems
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: john5479 on Aug 30, 2003 at 09:30 PM
redkoji pls. pm me when the upgrade for the nadt752 upgarde when it becomes available...thanks!
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: obey on Aug 31, 2003 at 12:35 AM
Anong problem ba ng NADT752?  Parang meron akong nabasa dati sa internet regarding dun sa pagdetect niya ng DD or DTS na signal? Di ko lang maalala kung sa NAD nga yon.

Thanks!
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: s2kov on Sep 03, 2003 at 09:59 AM
Is anyone of you knows how much is HK 3550? What store can i find this?
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: gutierrez on Sep 03, 2003 at 10:01 AM
Is anyone of you knows how much is HK 3550? What store can i find this?

Spectra at parksquare1
Architectural Audio at NewWorld Hotel
price is around 23k
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Jairus on Sep 03, 2003 at 10:04 AM
Spectra at parksquare1
Architectural Audio at NewWorld Hotel
price is around 23k

mahal na pala, got mine for 21k 3 months ago ;D
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: gutierrez on Sep 03, 2003 at 10:16 AM
mahal na pala, got mine for 21k 3 months ago ;D

I think mga 21k nga lang di ko marecall sa sobra dami ko pinagtanungan kahapon  ;D
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: s2kov on Sep 03, 2003 at 10:18 AM
Thanks men!!! Is this model good for both HT and music? ::)
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: gutierrez on Sep 03, 2003 at 10:21 AM
Thanks men!!! Is this model good for both HT and music? ::)

good yan pre  ;)
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: s2kov on Sep 03, 2003 at 10:58 AM
Thanks...

i'm actually new with this and planning to setup a HT. I don't know yet what AVR to use and will choose among the ff:
1. Marantz SR4300
2. Yamaha RXV 540
3. HK 3550
4. Denon 1803
5. Onkyo TX SR600
What you guys think is the best on both HT and Music? I'm still looking for the specs of the abovementioned AVRs.... :-\
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: gutierrez on Sep 03, 2003 at 11:06 AM
Thanks...

i'm actually new with this and planning to setup a HT. I don't know yet what AVR to use and will choose among the ff:
1. Marantz SR4300
2. Yamaha RXV 540
3. HK 3550
4. Denon 1803
5. Onkyo TX SR600
What you guys think is the best on both HT and Music? I'm still looking for the specs of the abovementioned AVRs.... :-\

HK 3550 or the onkyo 600, btw meron na onkyo 601 same price ng 600 but better performance, if I wer you go for onkyo
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Philander on Sep 03, 2003 at 11:10 AM
Thanks...

i'm actually new with this and planning to setup a HT. I don't know yet what AVR to use and will choose among the ff:
1. Marantz SR4300
2. Yamaha RXV 540
3. HK 3550
4. Denon 1803
5. Onkyo TX SR600
What you guys think is the best on both HT and Music? I'm still looking for the specs of the abovementioned AVRs.... :-\

For 25K and below:

I'lll choose the Marantz 6300.
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: s2kov on Sep 03, 2003 at 11:27 AM
Thanks...

Philander do you own an AV store?
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Philander on Sep 03, 2003 at 11:48 AM
Thanks...

Philander do you own an AV store?

Nope. Wish I am.....  ;)

Anyway regarding the receivers...

Most of your choices are 6.1 ready AVRs except for the HK 3550.

They have the same or equivalent power ratings.
DAC is 192khz/24bit except for Marantz 4300, Yamaha 540 and Denon 1803.

Multi-Room and/or Speaker A+B

6.1 Pre-outs for Marantz.


Audition mo lahat ng brands, then trust your ears, bilhin mo yung gusto mo yung sound na okay din sa features at magagamit mo talaga.


Just a cent.
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: H a n $ on Sep 03, 2003 at 12:15 PM
Philander,

Marantz 6300 25k!! ok yan pre 6.1 na mmmh

Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: s2kov on Sep 03, 2003 at 01:01 PM
Salamat mga guru!!!
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: redkoji on Sep 09, 2003 at 06:08 PM
Hi dude,

We will be soon relaunching T752 in the Philippine market...target date Mid-October.

Afterwards, the T763 and the T773, in time for the christmas season....
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: banzai on Sep 09, 2003 at 07:52 PM
Hi redkoji,

I'm interested in the new NAD models coming out. Was NAD able to fix the bugs that plagued the 752? Please pm me the approximate price of the 763.
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: redkoji on Sep 22, 2003 at 02:07 PM
Hey Dudes,

Check this Sherwood Models:
RD-963 : 140W x 7 @ 8ohms at 1kHz, .07%THD, 192kHz/24 bit DACs for all channels, Dolby digital, DTS and Dolby Prologic II ready. According to Sound and Vision test result May 2002 " Its performance in the lab was pretty much what my listenng experience predicted: quite, accurate and powerful. Its all-channel-driven results were very good, the linearity, noise level and distortion figures are excellent in almost every case.....

Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: booghaw on Sep 23, 2003 at 12:36 AM
hi peeps,

what can u say about the pioneer VSX-D912K?

http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/pe/product/detail/0,,2076_4153_35330,00.html
 (http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/pe/product/detail/0,,2076_4153_35330,00.html)
meron na po bang available na ganito dito sa phils? mga how much po kaya ito?


thanks
:)

Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: toshiba on Sep 23, 2003 at 02:26 AM
hi m1gu3L, i think the vsx-d912k is released only in the states. the closest model would be the vsx-d812s-s. it's posted on pioneer's asian website, http://www.pioneer.com.sg so i'm pretty sure it'll  arrive here 'coz all dvd players posted there are in fact already available locally... :)
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: redkoji on Sep 23, 2003 at 11:30 AM
Here are the complete specs ng Sherwood RD-963

 DTS-ES (Discrete/Matrix)
 DTS Neo:6 (Cinema/Music)
 DTS Decoder
 Dolby Digital (AC-3) Decoder
 MPEG-2 Audio Multi-Channel Decoder
 Dolby Pro Logic¥±Surround
 7.1/6.1 Channel Surround  
 12 DSP Modes (Theater 1, 2 / Hall 1, 2 / Stadium / Church / Club1, 2 / Arena 1, 2 / Game / Matrix)
 Dolby Virtual Surround
 192kHz Digital Upsampling for Greater Detail & Clarity (Analog Devices' AD1896)
 Automatic Format Detection
 7.1 Channel Direct Input with Composite and S-Video Input
 24-Bit, 192kHz D to A Converter, All Channels (Analog Devices' AD1852)
 Bass Management for 7.1 Channel Direct Input
 6 Rear Digital Inputs (2 Coaxial and 4 Optical)  
 Digital Output (1 Optical)
 Assignable Rear Digital Inputs (Via OSD Set-up)  
 Front Digital Input (1 Optical)  
 Assignable Rear Inputs (Via OSD Set-up)
 2 Component Video Inputs and 1 Component Video Output (HDTV Compatible)  
 Analog Bypass for the Purist Stereo Reproduction  
 Dedicated Room 2 Audio/Video Output (Including S-Video Output)
 Dedicated Room 2 Remote Control  
 On-Screen Display (OSD) from Composite and S-Video  
 Preprogrammed & Learning 10-Device Remote Control with Large LCD
 Programmable Video Input Labeling for Front Panel Display and OSD  
 

 

 120 Watts x 2 @ 8§Ù, 20Hz~20kHz, 0.05% THD in Stereo Mode
 140 Watts x 7 @ 8§Ù, 1kHz, 0.7% THD in Surround Mode
 Wide Range Amplifier Stage (10Hz~100kHz)
 Totally Discrete Amplifier Stage (TDAS) for All Channels
 Heavy-Duty Speaker Binding Posts
 Assignable 2 Channel Power Amp between Center-Surround and Room 2
 

 

 24-Bit Digital Processor
 Source/Feature Memory  
 9 Preamp Outputs (Left, Center, Right, Left Surround, 2-Center Surround, Right Surround and 2-Subwoofer)  
 5 Rear Panel Audio/Video Inputs (Including S-Video)
 2 Sets Rear Panel Component Video Inputs  
 l 5 Audio Inputs (Including Phono)
 l Front Panel A/V Input (Including S-Video)
 ndependent Video Record out Selector
 3 Type of Video Outputs with Component, "S" and Composite Video
 Cinema EQ
 Tone Direct
 Pink Noise Generator for Surround Sound Balancing  
 Dynamic Range Control (Multi-Step)
 Auto Input Balance
 

 

 4-Gang Quartz PLL Synthesized Digital Tuning  
 Auto Scan & Preset
 30-Station Presets (Random)
 RDS Functions : PS, EON/PTY, EON/TA, RT and CT, etc.
 

 

 l Digi-Link ¥² Remote Control for Other Sherwood Components
 l Advanced Room 2
 l 12V DC Trigger
 l IR Input Jack on the Rear Panel
 l Auto Function One-Touch Operation
 l Digital Encoder Volume Control
 l Dimensions (W x H x D) : 440 x 166 x 380mm
 l Weight : 16.8kg
 
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: redkoji on Sep 23, 2003 at 11:33 AM
while the RD-863 naman ay ito po ang specs:

 DTS-ES (Discrete/Matrix)
 DTS Neo:6 (Cinema/Music)  
 DTS Decoder
 Dolby Digital (AC-3) Decoder
 MPEG-2 Audio Multi-Channel Decoder
 Dolby Pro Logic¥±Surround
 7.1/6.1 Channel Surround  
 12 DSP Modes (Theater 1, 2 / Hall 1, 2 / Stadium / Church / Club1, 2 / Arena 1, 2 / Game / Matrix) l Dolby Virtual Surround  
 Dolby Virtual Surround
 Automatic Format Detection
 7.1 Channel Direct Input  
 24-Bit, 192kHz D to A Converter, All Channels (Analog Devices' AD1852)
 Bass Management for 7.1 Channel Direct Input
 4 Rear Digital Inputs (2 Coaxial and 2 Optical)
 Digital Output (1 Optical)
 Front Digital Input (1 Optical)
 Assignable Rear Digital Inputs (Via OSD Set-up)
 2 Component Video Inputs and 1 Component Video Output (HDTV Compatible)
 Analog Bypass for the Purist Stereo Reproduction
 On-Screen Display (OSD) from Composite and S-Video
 Preprogrammed & Learning 8-Device Remote Control (Back-Lit)
 Programmable Video Input Labeling for Front Panel Display and OSD
 

 

 100 Watts x 2 @ 8§Ù, 20Hz~20kHz, 0.05% THD in Stereo Mode
 110 Watts x 7 @ 8§Ù, 1kHz, 0.7% THD in Surround Mode  
 Wide Range Amplifier Stage (10Hz~100kHz)
 Totally Discrete Amplifier Stage (TDAS) for All Channels
 Heavy-Duty Speaker Binding Posts
 

 

 24-Bit Digital Processor
 Source/Feature Memory
 8 Preamp Outputs (Left, Center, Right, Left Surround, 2-Center Surround,Right Surround and Subwoofer)
 3 Rear Panel Audio/Video Inputs (Including S-Video)
 2 Sets Rear Panel Component Video Inputs  
 4 Audio Inputs (Including Tuner)
 Front Panel A/V Input (Including S-Video)
 Independent Video Record out Selector
 3 Type of Video Outputs with Component, "S" and Composite Video  
 Cinema EQ
 Tone Direct
 Pink Noise Generator for Surround Sound Balancing  
 Dynamic Range Control (Multi-Step)
 Auto Input Balance
 

 

 4-Gang Quartz PLL Synthesized Digital Tuning  
 Auto Scan & Preset
 30-Station Presets (Random)
 RDS Functions : PS, EON/PTY, EON/TA, RT and CT, etc.
 

 

 Digi-Link ¥² Remote Control for Other Sherwood Components
 Auto Function One-Touch Operation
 Digital Encoder Volume Control
 IR Input Jack on the Rear Panel
 Dimensions (W x H x D) : 440 x 166 x 380mm
 Weight : 15.2kg




 
 


Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: redkoji on Sep 23, 2003 at 11:59 AM
Check this review from Sound and Vision for NAD L70http:

www.soundandvisionmag.com/article.asp?section_id=1&article_id=441&page_number=1Test Report: NAD
L70 DVD Player/Receiver
By David Ranada


Photos by Tony Cordoza

Anyone interested in an ultra easy-to-set-up home theater system usually has only one recourse: a system-in-a-box, comprising a combination DVD player and A/V receiver, five satellite speakers, and an optimistically designated &#8220;subwoofer.&#8221; The weakest links in most of these systems are generally the speakers. So with many all-in-one systems you&#8217;re stuck with what may be good electronics coupled to speakers that leave much to be desired.

Enter NAD&#8217;s L70, a beautifully styled combination DVD player/receiver that&#8217;s being sold as an up-market version of the DVD player/receivers found in those all-in-one-systems. Its upscale fit and finish extends to gold-plated binding-post speaker terminals, and the clean and elegant front panel boasts a set of A/V convenience inputs as well as a headphone jack, which automatically mutes output to the speakers when you plug in your phones. And with the L70, you get to choose the speakers to fit your tastes, the demands of your budget, and the acoustics of your listening room.



Both parts of the L70&#8212;the DVD player and the receiver&#8212;are intentionally basic to keep operation simple. The DVD player has all the primary disc-navigation and cueing facilities, all of which are accessible from the remote control and some from the front panel. Programmable playback and the repeat functions (chapter and title) are available from the remote even though the manual doesn&#8217;t mention them.


Fast Facts
RATED POWER
45 W x 5, all channels driven simultaneously into 8 ohms, from 20 Hz to 20 kHz with 0.08% THD
DIMENSIONS
17 1/8 inches wide, 4 3/4 inches high, 13 inches deep
WEIGHT 36 pounds
PRICE $999
MANUFACTURER
NADElectronics, Dept. S&V, 6 Merchant St., Sharon, MA 02067; www.nadelectronics.com;
781-784-8586


 
Key Features
&#8226; Dolby Digital and DTS 5.1-channel decoding
&#8226; Dolby Pro Logic II and EARS for 5.1-channel playback from two- or matrixed four-channel sources
&#8226; DVD player also plays MP3 files
&#8226; 3 A/V inputs (including front panel), 1 output; component-video output (interlaced only)
&#8226; optical and coaxial digital audio inputs; optical output
&#8226; Multichannel analog input (5.1-channel)
&#8226; AM/FM tuner with 60 presets
&#8226; Headphone jack  
 
 
Besides composite- and S-video outputs, the L70 has a component-video output, but it carries only standard interlaced (480i) signals. The lack of a progressive-scan (480p) output is a bit surprising since that feature is now available on standalone DVD players at very low prices. Then again, many buyers of this combo unit are likely to own analog TVs, which can&#8217;t display progressive-scan images anyway.
Likewise, the receiver is pretty bare bones, which again makes its operation straightforward. The tuner section can memorize 60 preset stations (30 each for the AM and FM bands) and there&#8217;s a turn-on/off timer that operates in conjunction with an internal clock&#8212;a handy feature that you won&#8217;t find on most receivers. NAD includes three Dolby Pro Logic II (DPL II) modes&#8212;Movie, Music, and Emulation&#8212;which create a 5.1-channel surround sound experience from stereo and four-channel surround programs. Many receivers we&#8217;ve reviewed in recent months, including NAD&#8217;s own T 752, have controls for adjusting the DPL II Music processing, but in this case the modes are not adjustable.

The other surround modes&#8212;Dolby Digital, DTS, an Enhanced Stereo (party) mode, and NAD&#8217;s own Enhanced Ambience Recovery System (EARS)&#8212;are also less customizable than we usually find, but they do allow you to adjust the delay time for the surround speakers. This compensates for the speakers&#8217; varying distances from the listener compared with the front left/right speakers. However, the L70 setup menu handles this by asking you to enter only one distance for both surround speakers, even though they may be at different distances, as well as a distance for the center speaker, which NAD assumes will be at the same distance as the front L/R speakers.



In any case, along with having fewer components, and remotes, to deal with, the principal advantage of a combination product like the L70 is simplified hookup&#8212;the connections between the DVD player and receiver are already done internally. And a glance at our back-panel photo indeed shows far fewer connectors than usual for even a small A/V receiver. Among them is an external multichannel analog input for hooking up a Super Audio CD or DVD-Audio player. The only out-of-the-ordinary jack is a 12-volt trigger output, which can be used to control auxiliary equipment like room lighting or a roll-down projector screen&#8212;a rather esoteric touch considering that this product isn&#8217;t designed for high-end dedicated home theaters.

Besides being comfortable to hold and easy to use with two hands, the infrared remote control is preprogrammed with codes for other NAD components, but it can &#8220;learn&#8221; those for any other gear you have as long as their remotes are operable. (To &#8220;teach&#8221; it, you have to put the L70 remote nose to nose with the source remote.) You can also record as many as 44 one-touch macro command sequences with a maximum of 64 commands each. A punch-through feature lets you keep a function key controlling one device active&#8212;the L70&#8217;s surround-mode selection, say&#8212;even while the remote is operating another component. The buttons are rather spectacularly backlit&#8212;they all light up&#8212;with a programmable turn-off time. You can even turn off the backlighting altogether to conserve battery power.

You&#8217;d expect a product with a (deliberately) limited feature set to be easy to set up and operate, and for the most part, that&#8217;s how it was with the L70. But every once in a while I came across an ergonomic quirk&#8212;like the bright yellow background for the turn-on screen, which makes the white lettering of the setup menus hard to read. Aside from that, using the setup menus&#8212;which themselves were few in number and very simple&#8212;was straightforward.

Fortunately, the garish turn-on screen is a minor quibble in the grand scheme of things. With such Dolby Digital productions as John Woo&#8217;s Windtalkers, the NAD tradition of quality sound came to the fore, especially in the battle scenes with their complex, rapidly shifting sonic perspectives and peak power demands. The L70 handled all of the sonic mayhem quite well, as in the gruesome melee of Chapter 2 and the even more effective artillery and tank-studded invasion of a suspiciously Hawaii-like Saipan that starts in Chapter 9. (I grew up only a few miles from where some of the scenes were filmed and recognized the landscape immediately.)

HIGH POINTS
&#8226; Very fine 5.1-channel sound quality.
&#8226; Good, backlit remote control.
&#8226; Handsome styling.
&#8226; Easy hookup.

LOW POINTS
&#8226; No bass management for
multichannel analog input.
&#8226; No progressive-scan video output.
&#8226; On the pricey side.
 
 
DPL II also did its usual minor wonders in redistributing two-channel musical programs for 5.1-channel playback, with acoustic music (classical and jazz) faring best. Every stereo symphonic disc I tried, for example, yielded an increased sense of space (thanks to the surround channels) and a slightly firmer frontal image (thanks to the center channel). NAD&#8217;s EARS mode also provided multichannel playback from stereo program sources. Its effects were different from DPL II&#8212;slightly more exaggerated in spatiality, but still appropriate for a wide range of acoustic program material. Since the DPL II mode is nonadjustable, EARS is a useful alternative to have.

The L70 was never intended to be all things to all home theater enthusiasts. Even the press release accompanying its introduction says it is &#8220;ideal for apartment and condo dwellers, and makes for an outstanding den, bedroom, or recreation room system.&#8221; I interpret this as meaning it&#8217;s best used in smaller rooms, to which its power capabilities are very well matched. A smaller room is also likely to have a smaller TV, on which the L70 player&#8217;s lack of progressive-scan output would be less significant. While you may be able to get a separate DVD player and receiver that together will provide more functionality and better overall performance for less, you&#8217;re going to be stuck with two components, two remote controls, and the task of hooking them up correctly&#8212;a job that the L70 has already performed for you right out of the box. S&V



Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: booghaw on Sep 23, 2003 at 03:44 PM
thanks toshiba... :)

another question:

in terms of performance naman po, is the pioneer comparable to other products like that of the H/K, marantz, denon, onkyo, yamaha, nad? kasi here in pinoydvd parang yung mga yun lang ang palaging nababanggit, parang walang gaanong thread regarding  pioneer AVR's?

thanks
:)
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: av_phile on Sep 23, 2003 at 04:00 PM
Personally, if for the same price, I'd go for an HK, Onkyo or Denon over a Pioneer.    More than just a matter of preference, I find the tech specs of some recent Pioneer models a lot wanting compared with the other brands i mentioned in the same price points.  Just my 2 cents. ;D
Title: Re:Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: redkoji on Sep 26, 2003 at 01:51 PM
Here's another review for Sherwood R-963


http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/volume_9_2/sherwood-newcastle-r963T-5-2002.html

http://www.audaud.com/audaud/OCT02/EQUIP/equip2OCT02.html
Title: Onkyo 701 vs Yamaha RXV 1400??
Post by: mattmatt on Apr 28, 2004 at 12:19 AM
Would like to hear suggestions on these 2 audio receivers, for mid size room?? :-* :-* what speakers can be paired with either of the two??
Title: Re: Onkyo 701 vs Yamaha RXV 1400??
Post by: av_phile1 on Apr 28, 2004 at 10:09 AM
6 ohm speakers should extract the most power from the Onkyo.  8-ohm speakers from the Yamaha.   Check out their minimum speaker load requirements at the back.  KEF Q series, Wharfedale Diamond or Evolution series for Onkyo.  Missions for Yamaha.  Many more for either out there.  Just audition and let your ears be the judge. 

Offhand. while I prefer the sound of the Onkyo,  the newer Yamaha series may be an improvement over their preceding seiries in this regard.  And this yamaha model seems to be loaded with more features.   
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: levi on Apr 29, 2004 at 01:30 AM
Try also the Harman Kardon especially you are eyeing B&W speakers.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: H a n $ on Apr 29, 2004 at 05:34 PM
mattmatt,

Onkyo is more of the warm side best paired it with speaker that are have detail high like B&W or mission..
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: cousin skeeter on Apr 30, 2004 at 09:55 AM
my friend has an onkyo-601. comments ko lang is that its very good in stereo, siguro sa stereo it would be my second choice to harman kardon sa mga avrs. maganda talaga ang onkyo. but when it came to ht, the sound became thin. read reviews that echo the same sentiment.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: zakkaz on Apr 30, 2004 at 10:22 AM
my friend has an onkyo-601. comments ko lang is that its very good in stereo, siguro sa stereo it would be my second choice to harman kardon sa mga avrs. maganda talaga ang onkyo. but when it came to ht, the sound became thin. read reviews that echo the same sentiment.
harman kardon is the best n very powerful
Title: Re: Onkyo 701 vs Yamaha RXV 1400??
Post by: Courage on Apr 30, 2004 at 11:33 PM
Would like to hear suggestions on these 2 audio receivers, for mid size room?? :-* :-* what speakers can be paired with either of the two??

Maganda pareho yan, pero para sa akin ill go with the Yammy, and also u should try an HK Receiver, good sounding and very powerfull
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: bravoexo on May 01, 2004 at 12:22 AM
Ang ganda ng tunog ng H/K no question about it.  Even with my mixed & matched brands of speakers, they work well with it.
Title: Re: Onkyo 701 vs Yamaha RXV 1400??
Post by: mattmatt on May 10, 2004 at 09:05 AM
6 ohm speakers should extract the most power from the Onkyo.  8-ohm speakers from the Yamaha.   Check out their minimum speaker load requirements at the back.  KEF Q series, Wharfedale Diamond or Evolution series for Onkyo.  Missions for Yamaha.  Many more for either out there.  Just audition and let your ears be the judge. 

Offhand. while I prefer the sound of the Onkyo,  the newer Yamaha series may be an improvement over their preceding seiries in this regard.  And this yamaha model seems to be loaded with more features.   
will you go for the onkyo 801 (new) vs. yamaha rxv1400? using mission speakers?
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: mattmatt on May 10, 2004 at 09:08 AM
my friend has an onkyo-601. comments ko lang is that its very good in stereo, siguro sa stereo it would be my second choice to harman kardon sa mga avrs. maganda talaga ang onkyo. but when it came to ht, the sound became thin. read reviews that echo the same sentiment.
so what do you suggest for ht, using 60% video, 40% audio... yamahat rxv1400? or other models?pls. recommend..
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Courage on May 10, 2004 at 01:21 PM

so what do you suggest for ht, using 60% video, 40% audio... yamahat rxv1400? or other models?pls. recommend..

para sa akin dalawa lang pagpipilian ko, Ill go 1st with an HK Receiver then with the Yamaha rxv1400. HK or Yamaha for me, but as i alway say, its just me :) cheers
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: james16 on May 10, 2004 at 03:30 PM
Basta ako HK All The Way!!!!!  ;D >:D O0
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: mattmatt on May 10, 2004 at 08:14 PM
Basta ako HK All The Way!!!!!  ;D >:D O0
made in china kasi HK and di ko type features nya!!
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: bravoexo on May 11, 2004 at 08:43 AM
Like what?
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: zakkaz on May 11, 2004 at 10:15 AM

 made in china kasi HK and di ko type features nya!!
it doesnt matter kung sa china na gawa ang HK it still follows quality standard of it and assemble lang ang ginagawa sa china
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: 2fast2furious on May 14, 2004 at 11:46 AM
I'd go for a YAMMY. That's why I bought it last year.  ;)
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: aHobbit on May 14, 2004 at 04:22 PM

 made in china kasi HK and di ko type features nya!!

Matt,

state what speaker you are using or will use. Only by then, the right receiver can be identified. Yamaha of course is the top in HT, for music others dont want it.

If budget is of main concern, I heard the Pioneer 50x/51x model +  wharf 8.3 combo, like that of Jerix and losi_phile - if I have to do my HT/music setup, I will go this route - the system packs clean and powerful sound in both HT and music for a lot less, and minus the hype.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: aHobbit on May 14, 2004 at 04:26 PM
Dagdag ko pa nga pala,
don't read the paper (as in made in china or bad THD and so on). Start listening to your projected (or dreamed) combo. Let your listening preferences dictate your decision and do not fall on the usual error of making decision on mere recommendations. Bring your best CD or DVD.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: audi0slave on May 14, 2004 at 04:31 PM

made in china kasi HK and di ko type features nya!!

bro, nakakasakit ka naman ng damdamin nyan eh...

sa panahon ngayon di ka na makakaiwas sa mga gawang chekwa.

 :-* ::)
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: mattmatt on May 15, 2004 at 08:43 AM


bro, nakakasakit ka naman ng damdamin nyan eh...

sa panahon ngayon di ka na makakaiwas sa mga gawang chekwa.

 :-* ::)
Nothing against china made but di ba mas mahal ang european or japanese made?? you pay for quality, maging speakers or avr....cguro hopefully in 5 yrs. at par with the europeans na ang china...walang personalan bro.. ;) ;) :D
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: jvm on May 15, 2004 at 10:06 AM

Nothing against china made but di ba mas mahal ang european or japanese made?? you pay for quality, maging speakers or avr....cguro hopefully in 5 yrs. at par with the europeans na ang china...walang personalan bro.. ;) ;) :D

Cheap doesn't mean low quality. Product quality is based on specs, manufacturing/technical specs and customer specs. So where ever it was produced, as long as these specs are met, then the product have the desired quality.

"Quality = Expensive"  is an old quality paradigm. Quality has many dimensions, and cost or value is an important quality dimension, most specially now in our economic situation. High quality companies produce the cheapest products in their respective industries. It is because they are more productive, they have low waste level, and with high reliability. That's why they can afford to lower the cost of their products.  I believe all companies, wether manufacturing or service industry, strive to attain the lowest cost for their products/services.

If I were the owner of a reputable company, would I make my products in some place where it will not meet the desired product quality I want? I wont. Would you?

We were just stigmatized by the low quality of China made products because of the proliferation of these low quality products here. But these are mostly unknown brands and copycats who don't have any reputation to protect. And they do have very low quality.

But for branded and popular products, I think we can trust them to be of the same high quality as if they were made in the country of origin of the brand.

 ;)
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: onedown on May 15, 2004 at 10:57 AM
mattmatt, actually, there are china-made audio gear than can hold their own against gear made in other countries. among them are shanling and consonance. regarding european made gear, bang & olufsen is a european manufacturer, yet their products aren't exactly famous for their sound quality.

as for speakers that are quite expensive, one brand that comes to my mind is bose. they are pricey, yet there are lots of other brands than sound better, yet costs less.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Courage on May 15, 2004 at 04:10 PM

 made in china kasi HK and di ko type features nya!!

Ouch, have u heard how an HK sound and compare it with other gears? I mean side by side comparison. :)
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: bravoexo on May 16, 2004 at 08:24 PM
Baka naman Hong Kong yan at hindi Harman Kardon...  ;D
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: H a n $ on May 16, 2004 at 08:31 PM
Guys,

Made in china naku paano na gear ko speaker ko made in china lalo na tube amp ko Made in the PHilippines naman but regardless of made basta QUALITY and strict compliance ng maker no problem yan...
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: mattmatt on May 16, 2004 at 09:49 PM
can anybody help me suggest which is better for 60%video and 40%audio, the onkyo 801 or yamaha rxv 1400, plan to match it with mission volare or 780 se speakers..
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Philander on May 17, 2004 at 10:27 AM
can anybody help me suggest which is better for 60%video and 40%audio, the onkyo 801 or yamaha rxv 1400, plan to match it with mission volare or 780 se speakers..


I'll take the Yamaha 1400 anytime. But I think Onkyo 801 will be better with Missions. Still I'll choose Yamaha 1400.

Just me.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: 2fast2furious on May 17, 2004 at 10:55 AM
I've had the Yamaha for a couple of months now and I don't have any problem. Great AVR, loaded with a lot of features.  But am pairing this with JBL speakers. 
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: JT on May 17, 2004 at 11:17 AM
Does anyone knows what's the smallest 6.1 AMP/Reciever available?   
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: mattmatt on May 17, 2004 at 06:21 PM


I'll take the Yamaha 1400 anytime. But I think Onkyo 801 will be better with Missions. Still I'll choose Yamaha 1400.

Just me.
Thanks bro O0, yung mission torn between ako sa mission volare v61 or the 780se, do you have an opinion on this??have auditioned it both and parehong maganda e..sabi ni stuazon pag ht he will go for volare, pag audio kay 780se daw...ur comments pls.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: H a n $ on May 17, 2004 at 11:27 PM
mattmatt,

Pre go for speakers that are very good for audio.... HT kahit bright speaker ok na but for audio.. naku.. fatiguing sir trust your ears.. audition with 2 channel and not multi channel.. :) :)

SOUND
durabilty
price 
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: j_albert22 on May 20, 2004 at 02:16 PM

Nothing against china made but di ba mas mahal ang european or japanese made?? you pay for quality, maging speakers or avr....cguro hopefully in 5 yrs. at par with the europeans na ang china...walang personalan bro.. ;) ;) :D

no matter kung san gawa yan HK, denon,etc the important is yong standard nang paggawa, kung nasusunod ba ang lahat nang spec at higit sa lahat kung ay namemeet nila yong costumer satifaction... Alam din natin na ang china ang may pinakamamabang labor cost kaya halos lahat nang malalaking company ay sa china nag papagawa... just IMHo
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: av_phile1 on May 20, 2004 at 02:31 PM

Thanks bro O0, yung mission torn between ako sa mission volare v61 or the 780se, do you have an opinion on this??have auditioned it both and parehong maganda e..sabi ni stuazon pag ht he will go for volare, pag audio kay 780se daw...ur comments pls.

You may want to be guided by what has guided me as well: "What is good for music is good for HT.  Not the other way."
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: redmagic on May 21, 2004 at 12:52 PM


You may want to be guided by what has guided me as well: "What is good for music is good for HT.  Not the other way."


"What is good for music is good for HT.  Not the other way."


amen! i subscribe to that sir!  ;)
Title: HK AVR630 or Onkyo SR701 or Yamaha 1400 w/ B&W 600 s3 setup
Post by: pilsen on May 22, 2004 at 08:23 AM
Guys need some help. I currently own a pair of B&W 602.5S3 Calvados and they're great. Getting a LCR 60 and  600s3 for surrounds. Still debating on what subwoofer to get for this set-up and receiver.

For Receivers, I'm looking at the Onkyo SR 701 or Yamaha 1400 or Harmon Kardon 630? Any advice on what would be the best receiver for this set-up. I'd say 70% HT & 30% Music. Right now I'm using an old Sony STR-DE915 ( Any buyers for this? )

For Subwoofers: CHT-12 or ASW675 -- Maybe MK (i've heard they make good subs: where can I get them here in Manila?)

I auditioned the ASW 600 and not impressed with it. Sound was good but just too weak to make me jump when watching movies.

I hope you guys can help. Thanks!
Title: Re: HK AVR630 or Onkyo SR701 or Yamaha 1400 w/ B&W 600 s3 setup
Post by: zakkaz on May 22, 2004 at 11:24 AM
try to have the harman kardon 630 a lot of power because it is designed high current
advanced features with quadrople crossover that can be assigned in every channel
if ur looking for harman kardon 630 u can try visiting spectra @ parksquare 1
they also have the MK subwoofer
Title: Re: HK AVR630 or Onkyo SR701 or Yamaha 1400 w/ B&W 600 s3 setup
Post by: pilsen on May 22, 2004 at 12:56 PM
Hey thanks for the post. Ill go visit park square
Title: Re: HK AVR630 or Onkyo SR701 or Yamaha 1400 w/ B&W 600 s3 setup
Post by: mattmatt on May 22, 2004 at 05:03 PM
Definitely consider onkyo, but the higher series, if no budget restraint I suggest take the onkyo txnr-900, walang sinabi yung yamaha rxv1400, go to sonny tuazon home theater in Makati, tel 8138443... you can audition both...to hear is to believe :D ;) :)
Title: Re: HK AVR630 or Onkyo SR701 or Yamaha 1400 w/ B&W 600 s3 setup
Post by: mattmatt on May 22, 2004 at 05:08 PM
if u ask stuazon pala, he definitely will endorse the velo cht 12..over the others... ;D ;) :)
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: pilsen on May 23, 2004 at 01:58 AM
my budget for the receiver is in the 36k range which sorta fits all 3. I think the 900 is out of my league already
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: bravoexo on May 23, 2004 at 02:50 AM
malaking "sorta fits" ata yan..    good luck though. 
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: pilsen on May 23, 2004 at 10:14 AM
haha, di naman, they're more or less all the same price.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: redkoji on May 25, 2004 at 07:23 PM

R-863T
Dolby Digital, DTS 7.1 A/V Receiver

The R-863 offers the same inherent performance as the top-of-line R-963 despite a slight decrease in power. The R863 maintains the independent Room 2 A/V feed and still accommodates Hi Def video.
 download manual


Features
100 Watts per Channel x 2 in
Stereo Mode with 0.05% THD,
20 Hz-20 kHz, 8 Ohms
80 Watts per Channel x 7 in Surround Mode
 with 0.07% THD
20Hz- 20kHz, 8 Ohms  
DVD-Audio Ready
Amplifier Bandwidth to 100 kHz
DTS-ES Discrete and Matrix
Dolby Digital 6.1 Matrix Surround
Dolby Pro Logic II
DTS NEO-6
Automatic Format Detection
192 kHz 24-bit DAC’s for all channels  
Dolby Pro Logic Surround
Dolby Virtual Surround
2 Optical and 2 Co-ax Digital Inputs
Optical Digital Output
On Screen Display
Preprogrammed and Learning
8-Device Remote Control with LCD Screen
Programmable Video Input Labeling
24-Bit CS-49326 Crystal Processor
12 DSP Modes
7.1 channel direct input with Bass Management
8 Pre-Amp Outputs (Left, Center, Right, L Surround, L Rear Center Surround, R Rear Center Surround, R. Surround, Subwoofer)
Dedicated Room 2 A/V Output
Independent Video Record Out Selector
2 HDTV Capable Component Video Inputs
3 Rear Panel Audio/Video Inputs Including S-Video
5 Audio Inputs
Front Panel A/V Input Including
S-Video and Optical Digital
Cinema EQ
Tone Defeat
Auto Input Balance
Dynamic Range Control
Totally Discrete Amplifier Stage (TDAS)
Heavy Duty Speaker Binding Posts
4 Gang Quartz PLL Synthesized Digital Tuning
Direct Frequency Input
Preset Scan
30 Station Presets
Digi-Link III
Auto Function One-Touch Operation
Digital Encoder Volume Control
Multi-Room Remote Control Input
24K Gold Input/Output Jacks
Sleep Timer
Aluminum Front Panel 
 
Title: Re: HK AVR630 or Onkyo SR701 or Yamaha 1400 w/ B&W 600 s3 setup
Post by: 2fast2furious on May 27, 2004 at 01:31 PM
Definitely consider onkyo, but the higher series, if no budget restraint I suggest take the onkyo txnr-900, walang sinabi yung yamaha rxv1400, go to sonny tuazon home theater in Makati, tel 8138443... you can audition both...to hear is to believe :D ;) :)

I don't think this is a good comparison.  :)
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: pilsen on May 27, 2004 at 01:39 PM
NAD T762 or HK AVR 630. I think this is a bit tougher.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: gt1 on Jun 01, 2004 at 05:19 PM
mga sir, kung papipiliin kayo alin ang mas okey sa dalawa NADT573 or HK330? ::)

Thanks!
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Philander on Jun 01, 2004 at 05:24 PM
mga sir, kung papipiliin kayo alin ang mas okey sa dalawa NADT573 or HK330? ::)

Thanks!

Not in the option, but I'll pick the HK 5550
Title: Re: HK AVR630 or Onkyo SR701 or Yamaha 1400 w/ B&W 600 s3 setup
Post by: dyames on Jun 01, 2004 at 08:53 PM
hear them all sir and choose the best, you can visit the new onkyo show room at one kennedy place, greenhills, san juan m.m. Tel. No. 723-8975 and ask james for assistance!
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: mdman on Jun 05, 2004 at 06:25 AM
guys im in the market to get a new avr on the 20t below price, im choosing hk 130 what you guys think? recommend me other brands pls. ty btw im using a denon 1602 now
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: zakkaz on Jun 05, 2004 at 09:58 AM
guys im in the market to get a new avr on the 20t below price, im choosing hk 130 what you guys think? recommend me other brands pls. ty btw im using a denon 1602 now
ur not gonna regret it if u will buy it
most of my friends r using hk
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: av_phile1 on Jun 05, 2004 at 11:25 AM
guys im in the market to get a new avr on the 20t below price, im choosing hk 130 what you guys think? recommend me other brands pls. ty btw im using a denon 1602 now

Any specific reason why you would want to upgrade from the Denon 1602?  It's one of the better receivers out there. 
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: pilsen on Jun 06, 2004 at 01:04 AM

ur not gonna regret it if u will buy it
most of my friends r using hk

Are you the owner of Spectra?
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: zakkaz on Jun 06, 2004 at 08:16 PM


Are you the owner of Spectra?
sorry im not the owner of spectra
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: drexx on Jun 07, 2004 at 12:10 PM
06Jun2004 (UTC -7)

Here's a list of competing receivers that I have recently compared, with their MSRP. Unles specified otherwise, all of them have 0.05% THD, 7.1 speakers, DTS 5.1 (etc.) and basically the same:

Yamaha RX-Z9 =170w x7 + 50w x2@ 8ohm = THX UltraII =0.015% THD
=$4,500 or $3,800 (http://store.yahoo.com/audiosound/yamaharxz9.html)
0r $3,600 (http://store.yahoo.com/authentichometheater/yamaharxz9.html)

Marantz SR9300v = 140w x7 @ 8ohm =THX UltraII
=$3,000 or $2,595.00  (pricegrabber.com)
=$1850 (http://cngd.videogon.com/cgi-bin/buy_cl.pl?rcvr51ch&1089578132)

Rotel RSX-1067 = 100w x7 @8ohm =no THX
$2,199

Denon AVR-5803A =170w x7 @ 8ohm =THX UltraII
$4,300 pt $4,299.98 (pricegrabber.com)

Pioneer VSX-59TXi =160w x7 @ 6ohm =THX UltraII
=$4,500 or $2,571.99 (pricegrabber.com)
=$1,840 (http://cngd.videogon.com/cgi-bin/auc.pl?rcvr71ch&1086397985&auc&3&4&)
or $2,400 (http://cngd.videogon.com/cgi-bin/buy_cl.pl?rcvr71ch&1090031810)

B&K AVR-507 =150w x7 @ 8ohm =THD 0.09% =THX UltraII
=$4,000
=$2,500 (http://cngd.videogon.com/cgi-bin/buy_cl.pl?rcvr71ch&1088195428)

Integra DTR-9.1U2 = 130w x7 @ 8ohm =UTHX UltraII
$3,200

Onkyo TX-DS989Ver2 = 130W x7 @ 8ohm =THX UltraII
=$3,500

Harman/Kardon AVR-7200 = 100w x7 @ 8ohm= THD 0.07% =no THX
=$2,000

NAD T773 = 110w x7 @ 8ohm =THD 0.08% =no THX
=$1,900 or $1,389 (http://cngd.videogon.com/cgi-bin/buy_cl.pl?rcvr71ch&1089745995)
or $1,289 (http://cngd.videogon.com/cgi-bin/buy_cl.pl?rcvr71ch&1089486894)

Sunfire Ultimate Receiver =200w x7 @ 8ohm =no THX
=$4,500 or $3,500 (at zip 95130)

Sony ES STR-DA9000ES =200w x7 @8ohm =THD 0.09% = no THX
=$4,500 or $2,779 (pricegrabber.com)
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: busabos on Jun 07, 2004 at 12:25 PM
Hi need help on deciding a receiver for HT

I'm currently planning to upgraed my old onkyo amp to a new one, I'm not into music so I'll use my setup purely for ht.
I'm thinking between yamaha 640 and harman 3550, which one will perform better in terms of ht?
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: cousin skeeter on Jun 07, 2004 at 12:57 PM
purely ht? go yamaha. always considered excellent for ht. the 640 is already 6.1 while the hk3550 is only 5.1.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: james16 on Jun 07, 2004 at 01:20 PM
Hi need help on deciding a receiver for HT

I'm currently planning to upgraed my old onkyo amp to a new one, I'm not into music so I'll use my setup purely for ht.
I'm thinking between yamaha 640 and harman 3550, which one will perform better in terms of ht?

audition po.... and consider after sales service also.....  ;D if you can, bring your speakers para malaman mo kung match yan
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: H a n $ on Jun 09, 2004 at 04:26 AM
Hi need help on deciding a receiver for HT

I'm currently planning to upgraed my old onkyo amp to a new one, I'm not into music so I'll use my setup purely for ht.
I'm thinking between yamaha 640 and harman 3550, which one will perform better in terms of ht?

Sir again better audition both AVR.. Btw what speaker do you used??
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: jcob on Jun 09, 2004 at 03:12 PM
Mga Sirs,

I'm just a new member here. Although, I often visit and read forums on Pinoydvd ngayon lang ako nag sign-in.

Question lang po. I'm planning to get a Pioneer Elite 53TX. How does it compares to onkyo TX SR 800, HK5550 in terms of HT and Music.  50/50 kasi gusto ko, I want to maximize my set-up and I listen to all types of music.

Thanks.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: mattmatt on Jun 10, 2004 at 07:41 PM
i heard the onkyo txnr900 which by the way is on sale, better get this than the 800 for the same price, call sonny tuazon at home theater..
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: H a n $ on Jun 10, 2004 at 09:01 PM
Mga Sirs,

I'm just a new member here. Although, I often visit and read forums on Pinoydvd ngayon lang ako nag sign-in.

Question lang po. I'm planning to get a Pioneer Elite 53TX. How does it compares to onkyo TX SR 800, HK5550 in terms of HT and Music.  50/50 kasi gusto ko, I want to maximize my set-up and I listen to all types of music.

Thanks.

Sir I get the HK5550!!
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: number1 on Jun 10, 2004 at 09:56 PM
The HK receiver (5550) is a very musical receiver. Yamaha excels better in HT, but not in music.  In my case, when I was deciding which a/v receiver back then, I wanted to concentrate on purely HT and never placed any importance on music. But in the end, I got the HK and I ended up using it more for listening to music than HT!

     
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: jcob on Jun 10, 2004 at 09:59 PM
Sir, What can u say about the Marants as pre amp and the rotel THX 5 channel amp against the HK5550. Planning to match this to kasi from the buy&sell section.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: maozedong on Jun 13, 2004 at 09:32 PM
Hello! can you pls give some inputs regarding this thread.... I'm a newbie in HT's and hoping i'm hoping to be an active member of this community soon.... tnx

http://www.pinoydvd.com/board/index.php?topic=23404.0
Title: ONKYO TX-SR502 vs Pioneer VSX-D812
Post by: maozedong on Jun 18, 2004 at 12:01 AM
Onkyo:
http://www.onkyousa.com/model.cfm?class=Receiver&m=TX-SR502&p=i

pioneer:
http://www.multimod.com/uk/shop/612-pioneer-vsx-d812-receiver.html
Title: Re: ONKYO TX-SR502 vs Pioneer VSX-D812
Post by: maozedong on Jun 18, 2004 at 12:06 AM
Hello! im contemplating on which receiver to buy..........

any opinions??

my room is 14sqm
ill probobly buy wharfe diamond 8's.....

should i go 7.1 ???

Do you know where i can get the cheapest price for any of this two items........
thanks
Title: Re: ONKYO TX-SR502 vs Pioneer VSX-D812
Post by: zakkaz on Jun 18, 2004 at 10:37 AM
Hello! im contemplating on which receiver to buy..........

any opinions??

my room is 14sqm
ill probobly buy wharfe diamond 8's.....

should i go 7.1 ???

Do you know where i can get the cheapest price for any of this two items........
thanks

try going to spectra @ parksquare 1 he'll give you the best price
Title: Denon 3803 or H/K 5550? What to buy?
Post by: Voodoo1 on Jun 29, 2004 at 10:33 PM
Mga sir I'm upgrading my avr to Denon 3803 or H/K 5550 alin kaya sa dalawa any suggestions? I'm willing to spend less than 50K, my old avr is a Denon 1803 and I'm selling it nga pala any offers ty
Title: Re: Denon 3803 or H/K 5550? What to buy?
Post by: levi on Jun 29, 2004 at 10:51 PM
I prefer HK. How about the 430 or 630 instead of the 5550?
Title: Re: ONKYO TX-SR502 vs Pioneer VSX-D812
Post by: mattmatt on Jul 04, 2004 at 10:45 PM
Hello! im contemplating on which receiver to buy..........

any opinions??

my room is 14sqm
ill probobly buy wharfe diamond 8's.....

should i go 7.1 ???

Do you know where i can get the cheapest price for any of this two items........
try home theater of s tuazon tel.8138443.
thanks

Title: Arcam vs Nad
Post by: av_phile1 on Jul 09, 2004 at 03:55 PM
Just made an interesting discovery between the more than 1 year old models ARCAM DiVA AVR100 and the NAD T751.

NAD T751.
(http://www.smr-group.co.uk/images/components/nad_t751_01.jpg)
Five-channel Home Theater Receiver
 Dolby Digital, Dolby Pro Logic & DTS
 30 Pre-set RDS EON AM/FM Tuner
 1 DSP Mode (EARS)
 5 × 60watts (20Hz - 20kHz 8ohms) HT
 2 × 80watts (20Hz - 20kHz 8ohms) Stereo
 3 × S/P-DIF Digital Inputs
 1 × 5.1 Channel Input
 1 × 5.1 Pre-amplifier Outputs
 7 × Analogue Inputs
 5 × Composite Video Inputs
 3 × S-Video (Y/C) Inputs
 3 × Composite Video Outputs
 2 × S-Video (Y/C) Outputs
 FM/AM Antenna Inputs
 435 × 132 × 350mm (W × H × D)
 Weight: 16.3Kg
 £500

ARCAM DiVA AVR100
(http://www.smr-group.co.uk/images/components/avr100_01.jpg)

Five-channel Home Theater Receiver
 Dolby Digital, Dolby Pro Logic & DTS
 30 Pre-set RDS EON AM/FM Tuner
 1 DSP Mode (Hall)
 5 × 70watts (20Hz - 20kHz 8ohms) HT
 2 × 90watts (20Hz - 20kHz 8ohms) Stereo
 3 × S/P-DIF Digital Inputs
 1 × 5.1 Channel Input
 1 × 5.1 Pre-amplifier Outputs
 6 × Analogue Inputs
 4 × Composite Video Inputs
 3 × S-Video (Y/C) Inputs
 3 × Composite Video Outputs
 2 × S-Video (Y/C) Outputs
 FM/AM Antenna Inputs
 Frequency Response: 20Hz - 20kHz ±1dB
 430 × 150 × 345mm (W × H × D)
 Weight: 11.9Kg
 £800



Here's how their internals of the two look like:



NAD T751


(http://www.smr-group.co.uk/images/components/nad_t751_03.jpg)


ARCAM DiVA AVR100

(http://www.smr-group.co.uk/images/components/avr100_03.jpg)

Here's how the backplates look like:

NAD T751

(http://www.smr-group.co.uk/images/components/nad_t751_02.jpg)

ARCAM DiVA AVR100
(http://www.smr-group.co.uk/images/components/avr100_02.jpg)



Wanna play Spot the Difference?

Title: Re: Arcam vs Nad
Post by: audi0slave on Jul 09, 2004 at 04:06 PM
the front buttons layout, the internals and the back plates are very much similar. The Arcam uses a toroidal tranny while the NAD uses an EI transformer that's why it is heavier but surprisingly, they have the same heat sink.  ::)
Title: Re: Arcam vs Nad
Post by: Philander on Jul 09, 2004 at 04:08 PM
Pick me!!!

The only major thing I can see is the transformer...
Title: Re: Arcam vs Nad
Post by: audi0slave on Jul 09, 2004 at 04:09 PM
pareho kase na gawang China....

 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: psychodreamer on Jul 09, 2004 at 04:35 PM
Are all NAD equipment now manufactured in China?  Even their top models?  I used to frown at China or Malaysian made equipment,  but it seems they're ok anyway.  Just a part of their strategy to stay competitive and cut costs on labor.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: audi0slave on Jul 09, 2004 at 04:40 PM
hi heropsychodreamer,

some models of Arcams, Rotels, NADs, Cambridge Audios, Marantz, Denons, Onkyos or almost all known audio equipment are now manufactured in China. NAD's Silver series or their higher end models are either made in Denmark or in Canada.

 ;D
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: av_phile1 on Jul 09, 2004 at 04:52 PM
These particular models of NAD and ARCAM are not only made in China, they are made by the SAME factory in CHina, according to a member in an ecoustics forum.   (Where's the spirit of competition? ;D)

Let me sound like a broken record:  "Very soon everything will be made in China.  Except babies."
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: psychodreamer on Jul 09, 2004 at 04:58 PM
Yeah, I would guess only the top models are made with the usual costs of labor.  I wonder if the smaller parts used though are any different from each other?  :)

These particular models of NAD and ARCAM are not only made in China, they are made by the SAME factory, according to a member in an ecoustics forum.   (Where's the spirit of competition? ;D)

Let me sound like a broken record:  "Very soon everything will be made in China.  Except babies."

 :o  and everything boils down to marketing..?  That's a scary scenario!
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: av_phile1 on Jul 09, 2004 at 05:06 PM
Yeah, I would guess only the top models are made with the usual costs of labor.  I wonder if the smaller parts used though are any different from each other?  :)



Possibly, But if they are made in the same factory, I doubt it.  Economies of scale dicate you get as many power filter capacitors, bias resistors, transistors, rectifier diodes, ek ek of the same specs from the same maker to reduce cost.  Though the use of blue PCBs in NAD and green PCBs in Arcam defies this.  ;D  Or they could be from the same maker as well.  Will never know. 
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: nels76 on Jul 09, 2004 at 05:11 PM
How in the world will these two different brands have the same design
and lay-out when they are developed by, say, each product development group.

Maybe, one is a subcon of the others. Or a sister company?
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: av_phile1 on Jul 09, 2004 at 05:11 PM
Yeah, I would guess only the top models are made with the usual costs of labor. 

Being made in England, Canada, Japan, USA would probably account for the awesome price difference between flagships and entry levels.  Ofcourse there are many convenience feature differences and power differences and even build differences, but should they account for 3-5 times the cost difference?  Labor cost would. 
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: av_phile1 on Jul 09, 2004 at 05:31 PM
How in the world will these two different brands have the same design
and lay-out when they are developed by, say, each product development group.

Maybe, one is a subcon of the others. Or a sister company?

Good question.  I was surprised to learn the answer.  To greatly reduce pre-production cost of entry-to-mid levels products for which the low SRPs can hardly deliver the desired profit mark-ups, designers across many consumer brands often refer to generic circuit designs from OEMers for which fully assembled electronic circuit boards have already been mass-produced at very cheap acquisition costs.  All that the brand will do is design their unique chassis to house these common circuits.  OR do some enhancements like using torroids instead of EI, detachable power chord instead of fixed, etc..  Mostly cosmetics that need not increase produciton cost.   And they're not necessarily sister companies, though that helps.  ;D

Here's another example: 3 differently branded AV processors.  I think they have an apt name for this phenomenon:  The Clone Wars.

Sherbourn Technology PT-7000
(http://www.audioholics.com/images/avhardware/preprocessing/sherbourn_PT-7000_front.jpg)

Outlaw Audio Model950
(http://www.audioholics.com/images/avhardware/preprocessing/outlawaudio_950_front.jpg)

Atlantic Technology P-2000
(http://www.audioholics.com/images/avhardware/preprocessing/atlantictechnology_P-2000_f.jpg)

For more details go to this site:

http://www.audioholics.com/productreviews/avhardware/clone_prepros.php
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: nels76 on Jul 09, 2004 at 05:46 PM
Thanks av_phile.

I think this is the best way to cut production costs and make product competetively priced
than using mediocre parts during production.

Now, this is what I notice.

Japanese brands do not practice this. Look at the Japanese brands of AV receivers. walang magkakamukha. am i right?
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: psychodreamer on Jul 09, 2004 at 05:52 PM
Wow!  Those are really intruiging,  considering those 3 brands are somewhat respected, and each has its own following in the audio circle.

The Outlaw would be a steal with its price if indeed all three are internally similar.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: av_phile1 on Jul 09, 2004 at 06:06 PM

Japanese brands do not practice this. Look at the Japanese brands of AV receivers. walang magkakamukha. am i right?

Maybe not entirely right.  Cost-cutting is essentially an American invention.  But using clones is an East Asian invention.  Just not so sure which came first in clones, the Japs or the Chinese/Taiwanese.   Come to think of it, those Nikon and Minolta cameras were early CLONES of Hasseblads and Roilflex.  ;D   Maybe japs don't like cloning themselves, that's why you don't see much jap receivers looking like another jap receiver.  ;D
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: vircor on Jul 10, 2004 at 12:10 AM
Has anyone own/seen this receiver? What can you say?

(http://www.promac.com.ph/images/products/av-s6002af_402w.jpg)

Promac AV-S6002AF Receiver

Fast Facts
§   5.1 channel surround output
§   AM / FM Tuner
§   2-Mic input
§   Full function remote control
§   17 x 13½ x 5¾ inches (WxHxD); 6.30 kg
§   Front Power Output: 60W x 2 (8 Ω)
§   Center Power Output: 36W x 1 (8 Ω)
§   Surround Output: 30W x 2 (8 Ω)
§   Frequency response of 75Hz~14KHz,±2dB

Life is like a ten speed bicycle, most of us have gears we never use.

Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: nels76 on Jul 10, 2004 at 09:25 AM
Hawig sa Yamaha ang receiver n yan.

And take a close look at the upper right above the display. Isnt that "WRAT", an Onkyo Technology?

A Yamaha and Onkyo in one.  ;D
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: iceman90a on Jul 10, 2004 at 01:07 PM
Has anyone own/seen this receiver? What can you say?

§   2-Mic input

aahh talo nito ibang receiver, may mike in! 2 pa! ;D
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: mattmatt on Aug 04, 2004 at 07:01 AM
i WOULD DEFINITELY GO FOR ONKYO, TRY THEIR TXNR 900, I THINK THEIR ON SALE RIGHT NOW , U CAN GET IT ABOUT 50K, CHEAP CONSIDERING DATI 70K PLUS YAN. ;) ;) O0
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: av_phile1 on Aug 04, 2004 at 06:05 PM
That's a sizeable discount.  It really pays to wait for a sale.   ;D
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: levi on Aug 05, 2004 at 12:35 AM
i WOULD DEFINITELY GO FOR ONKYO, TRY THEIR TXNR 900, I THINK THEIR ON SALE RIGHT NOW , U CAN GET IT ABOUT 50K, CHEAP CONSIDERING DATI 70K PLUS YAN. ;) ;) O0

Thanks for the tip but please dont use all caps when posting
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: theshade on Aug 09, 2004 at 04:54 PM
can you guys help me.  i cant decide on what to get for a reciever. ill be using nirv and antyhony's speakers. should i choose between yamaha 1400 and denon 2803 or denon 1804? Or should i just get the denon 1604? ill be using for both home theatre and music. more on music. but in the future if i hva e extra money i can get a solidstate amp for 2 channel audio.  does that mean that i should get budget av receivers? cause only those out my price range are really good at both ht and audio.  and do i really need a pricy receiver when used for home theatre alone cause ill be getting a good solidstate amp too.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: jcob on Aug 09, 2004 at 05:30 PM
this is just my opinion....

If you want a good home theater just get a yamaha RXV 650. this is already 7.1 with prologix IIx. of course if you can afford the 1400 it's better. this is if you'll soon get a separate amp for your music.

but if you'll use your AV receiver for music and HT, my suggestion would be to get the HK 330. this is a mid price receiver from Harman Kardon. It's good for music and movies too. you migth also want to consider a NAD AV receiver for these purpose.

just my two cents..
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Bogsle on Aug 09, 2004 at 07:25 PM
Tip: There will be an upcoming sale at Digital Dreams, SM North EDSA. HK 330 will be on sale for 29k. Tel 929-6287. Original SRP is 36k.



Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: zakkaz on Aug 10, 2004 at 10:18 AM
Tip: There will be an upcoming sale at Digital Dreams, SM North EDSA. HK 330 will be on sale for 29k. Tel 929-6287. Original SRP is 36k.




i think its not only digital dreams all of its dealer i think
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: kuyarubs on Aug 10, 2004 at 03:16 PM
can you please give a more definite date on the sale.
thanks & have a nie day.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: zakkaz on Aug 11, 2004 at 10:49 AM
can you please give a more definite date on the sale.
thanks & have a nie day.
i think it started last month @ spectra makati then continued on up to now
dont know until when is their promo
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
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Title: which receiver is better DENON or HARMAN KARDON
Post by: roger on Sep 02, 2004 at 10:24 AM
guys am new in this forum.  am planning to get AVR basically for home theater.
am looking at Denon AVR 1804 and Harman Kardon AVR 330. 
any advise on which is better or recommendable. thanks
Title: Re: which receiver is better DENON or HARMAN KARDON
Post by: audi0slave on Sep 02, 2004 at 10:32 AM
comparing the 2 models you mentioned... i'd go for the HK330 anytime... without blink of an eye  ::)
Title: Re: which receiver is better DENON or HARMAN KARDON
Post by: av_phile1 on Sep 02, 2004 at 01:46 PM
IF they are priced similarly, and being a dodo for conservative power rating, I'd get an HK anytime.    THough, I like how the Denon looks.  ;D2   But if you can test both on the same speakers that you have, I think you can make a more personal decision.
Title: Re: which receiver is better DENON or HARMAN KARDON
Post by: fierari on Sep 02, 2004 at 06:10 PM
330 anytime under rated lang ang watts nya perosa tingin ko malakas ito sa denon  ;D
Title: Re: which receiver is better DENON or HARMAN KARDON
Post by: Courage on Sep 02, 2004 at 06:52 PM
comparing the 2 models you mentioned... i'd go for the HK330 anytime... without blink of an eye  ::)

HK for me
Title: Re: which receiver is better DENON or HARMAN KARDON
Post by: H a n $ on Sep 02, 2004 at 07:58 PM
HK 7.1 agad tapos good for HT and Music... sabagay Denon is also good.. preference will play..

HK ako din.. :) :) :) btw what speaker do you plan to get?? 
Title: Re: which receiver is better DENON or HARMAN KARDON
Post by: j_albert22 on Sep 02, 2004 at 08:34 PM
guys am new in this forum.  am planning to get AVR basically for home theater.
am looking at Denon AVR 1804 and Harman Kardon AVR 330. 
any advise on which is better or recommendable. thanks

it up to you, those AVR has different characteristic so you better audition first at kung ano mas ok sa iyo go for it  ;D ;D ;D ;D but for me HK coz i'm a proud owner of this AVR ............. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: which receiver is better DENON or HARMAN KARDON
Post by: bigfellow2k on Sep 02, 2004 at 11:29 PM
san po makakakuha ng HK na avr na good price?? what store??

thanks
Title: Re: which receiver is better DENON or HARMAN KARDON
Post by: bigfellow2k on Sep 02, 2004 at 11:33 PM
gurus,

if am not mistaken me nakausap ako about HK AVR, hes a dealer in hk, sabi nya medyo kulang lang daw sa watts ang, ok lang ba ito??

thanks
Title: Re: which receiver is better DENON or HARMAN KARDON
Post by: edboy7 on Sep 03, 2004 at 12:11 AM
gurus,

if am not mistaken me nakausap ako about HK AVR, hes a dealer in hk, sabi nya medyo kulang lang daw sa watts ang, ok lang ba ito??

thanks

di kaya dealer siya ng denon? hehehehehe i'd  go also for the HK330 anytime of the day ;D pogi pa! but ofcors you have to audition the two and decide with your ears ;D happy hunting!
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: levi on Sep 03, 2004 at 01:31 AM
I used to own a Denon 1803. Now I own a 330 and Im very satisfied.
Title: Re: which receiver is better DENON or HARMAN KARDON
Post by: j_albert22 on Sep 03, 2004 at 01:48 AM
san po makakakuha ng HK na avr na good price?? what store??

thanks

try to go to spectra park square makati and look jim
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: levi on Sep 03, 2004 at 02:30 AM
Try also Architectural Audio at New World Hotel
Title: Re: which receiver is better DENON or HARMAN KARDON
Post by: zakkaz on Sep 03, 2004 at 11:02 AM
san po makakakuha ng HK na avr na good price?? what store??

thanks
try going to spectra @ parksquare 1 n look for jim
Title: Re: Denon 3805 or Harman Kardon AVR 630 ??????
Post by: Voodoo1 on Sep 08, 2004 at 01:08 PM
I'm going to upgrede my Denon 1803 next week I still havent decided which one to get I need your opinion on this...

Denon 3805 - P 55,667.00
Harman Kardon AVR 630 - P 52,000.00

My Denon 1803 is for sale PM me ur offer
Title: Re: Denon 3805 or Harman Kardon AVR 630 ??????
Post by: spectraav on Sep 08, 2004 at 01:21 PM
I'm going to upgrede my Denon 1803 next week I still havent decided which one to get I need your opinion on this...

Denon 3805 - P 55,667.00
Harman Kardon AVR 630 - P 52,000.00

My Denon 1803 is for sale PM me ur offer
both products are very good i suggest try to audition it both side by side and through this way you'll be able to determine which one is better
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: jcob on Sep 08, 2004 at 01:27 PM
Sir,

If I were you I'll listen to both of them, then decide. I beleived this two products can be auditioned in one store. Try to look for the stores that carry the harman kardon, JBL and denon. and bring your favorite CD's and/or DVDs.

Good luck..
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: maglite on Sep 08, 2004 at 01:39 PM
how about hk330 vs. onkyo sr-701? any comments? ???
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: zakkaz on Sep 08, 2004 at 04:16 PM
how about hk330 vs. onkyo sr-701? any comments? ???
definitely i'll still go for HK
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: levi on Sep 09, 2004 at 12:14 AM
I go for the 330. just my 1 cent advise
Title: Re: Denon 3805 or Harman Kardon AVR 630 ??????
Post by: doughn on Sep 09, 2004 at 10:02 AM
I'm going to upgrede my Denon 1803 next week I still havent decided which one to get I need your opinion on this...

Denon 3805 - P 55,667.00
Harman Kardon AVR 630 - P 52,000.00

My Denon 1803 is for sale PM me ur offer

ill go for denon 3805 anytime :)
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: nesty on Sep 09, 2004 at 10:25 AM
Boss,

I'm kind of new here. I know this is off the topic.

I just want to know what you mean with PM?


Thanks
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: maglite on Sep 09, 2004 at 11:08 AM
thanks for the advise sir. ;D but why HK isn't onkyo sr-701 is thx approve ??? can you advise me more? don't have idea w/ receiver. :-\

thanks.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Philander on Sep 09, 2004 at 11:10 AM
Boss,

I'm kind of new here. I know this is off the topic.

I just want to know what you mean with PM?


Thanks

PM - Private Message

See yours here:
http://www.pinoydvd.com/board/index.php?action=pm

Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: jcob on Sep 09, 2004 at 11:51 AM
thanks for the advise sir. ;D but why HK isn't onkyo sr-701 is thx approve ??? can you advise me more? don't have idea w/ receiver. :-\

thanks.

Onkyo is a THX Select Certified receiver. This is a guarantee already that the 701 meets or even exeeds George Lucas standard for 2000 cubic foot room size. But to fully utilize this, your speaker, speaker cables and room chould also be THX certified.  But considering the receiver alone, I think you won't go wrong with this receiver.

As for the HK, I don't know if they have a receiver that are THX certified. However, this does'nt mean that their receiver is less superior than the THX ones. HK is known for their conservative power rating, high current output and good sounding receiver.

It's always best to compare different brands side by side, so you'll see how they'll performed in terms of music and HT.

just my two cents...

Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: av_phile1 on Sep 09, 2004 at 01:18 PM
If i recall right, the minimum amp power that can go for THX certification must be 100wpc.   HK rarely have receiver models that have published power rating of 100wpc.  Not that they can't spew this much, it's just that their power rating is done under CONSERVATIVE measurement conditions.  And they probably don't care much about THX certification that most audiophiles consider as unnecessary.  Many audiophile grade equipment are not THX certified, but will easily thrash any that are.  THX certification in gears is utterly useless unless you have your room accoustics, speaker placement and even projector or TV equipment and  lighting THX certified as well.   THX certification only will certify that a gear confroms to the MINIMUM requirements of Lucas so that it can approximate what a THX-certified theater can sound like.   But many audiophile gears go beyond such requirements.  Ever since the early days of hi-fidelity.   THX is for HT.  Not for audio-only. In fact, there is one THX criteria that requires a THX receiver to roll off the highs in center channels, so that it sounds like the center channel in THX theaters that are muffled by the screen material.  You can credit Lucas for making certification income by standardizing the minimum performance of HT receivers.  But for me THX is just that - a money making venture for Lucas.   ;D
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: av_phile1 on Sep 09, 2004 at 01:30 PM
thanks for the advise sir. ;D but why HK isn't onkyo sr-701 is thx approve ??? can you advise me more? don't have idea w/ receiver. :-\

thanks.

As a former Onkyo flagship user, I would recommend you go Onkyo against other brands.  But if you're choice is with an HK, I'd get an HK anytime.  Both for me are very musical.  But there is so much to be gained in terms of detail clarity and dynamics when you have an amp with generous power that can handle 4-ohm loads easily.  I am not entirely confident that Onkyo receivers, at least those in production these days, can.  They are power rated at 6-ohms.  With a caution not to use anything lower.  That for me is an indication they would have diffculty driving certain frequencies when they reach 4-ohm impedances. (Speaker ratings are nominal, some frequencies can go well below 4 ohms.) The HK have a rating at 4 ohms.  But that's just me.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: maglite on Sep 09, 2004 at 07:12 PM
thanks sa inyong mga mga advise sir... i guess dapat marinig ko sila side by side to compare... ;D
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: 5Speed on Sep 11, 2004 at 12:08 PM
how about between NAD T-741 and HK330, alin ang pipiliin nyo?

I believe both are almost of audiophile quality in terms of music .. ano ang pros and cons of each AVR?

If ever na mag-upgrade ako nang AVR ko in the near future, yang dalawang brand ang pagpipilian ko. :)

Meron na ba sa inyo na nakapag 'shootout'  between those two receivers?
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: 5Speed on Sep 13, 2004 at 10:21 AM
anyone?? :) :)
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Philander on Sep 13, 2004 at 10:31 AM
NAD 741 is old. NAD 743 na ang latest.

I'll choose HK 330 anytime in a blink, feature-packed. Better in every technical aspect. Nad 741 is 5.1 (HK 330 is 7.1 ready), no DTS-ES, no DD-EX, no multi-room, lower current, no component inputs, no OSD (?)... and a lot lot more.

I wonder why you even compare NAD 741 with HK 330
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: 5Speed on Sep 13, 2004 at 11:46 AM
Philander,

ooopss my bad in there....NAD 743 pala ang latest...sorry po, not quite familiar with NAD's line up... I just heard its sound in one of the audio stores in here and quite amazed on how it performed w/ JM Lab floorstanders.... Too bad they dont carry a HK AVRs so I cannot compared the two side by side.... but I also heard the HK 330 in their show room although paired with different speakers (Infinitty) and it is very good also... so I wonder which of the two is preferred by the experts in here....

If time comes to upgrade my AVR, I definitely goes with either of the two, thats why I want a comparison from the people here who might had these two babies on their hand one way or another.

Right now I am leaning on towards Harman Kardons... it is also much better looking of the two in my opinion...:)
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: H a n $ on Sep 13, 2004 at 12:36 PM
5speed,

Have owned both brand before (but no the new models) NAD 752 & HK5500 both have almost same spec.. in HT like the NAD but for audio love the HK both brand are worth and very good in terms of both audio and HT..

btw caution on NAD had my unit replace to HK due to bug.. but according to distributor here that they already solved the problem.. :)

Audition mo na lang bro..
Title: Re: Denon 3805 or Harman Kardon AVR 630 ??????
Post by: H a n $ on Sep 13, 2004 at 12:39 PM
I'm going to upgrede my Denon 1803 next week I still havent decided which one to get I need your opinion on this...

Denon 3805 - P 55,667.00
Harman Kardon AVR 630 - P 52,000.00

My Denon 1803 is for sale PM me ur offer

Both models you like are already high levels so i don't think you'll have problem on sound, spec and power.. audition them with your speaker to be sure..
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: 5Speed on Sep 13, 2004 at 12:45 PM
sir hans & adrianne, thanks for your opinion....

definitely I will audition both of them.... :)

now to save some more money for it.... :)

may SARS na naman yata ako.... ::) ::)
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: H a n $ on Sep 13, 2004 at 12:58 PM
sir hans & adrianne, thanks for your opinion....

definitely I will audition both of them.... :)

now to save some more money for it.... :)

may SARS na naman yata ako.... ::) ::)

Contact Spectra ( Jim ) i know they carry both brand baka pati speaker mo meron sya para sure hit!!..

happy auditioning sir.. :D :D :D
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: lazeeb0y on Sep 14, 2004 at 12:33 AM
hi guys. i'm still contemplating on whether to get the onkyo tx-sr502 or yamaha rx-v450.

di ko kaya yung hk avr230/330, la na sa budget.  :P

btw, i'm using bose 301 speakers for fronts, bose center speaker, and polkaudio r15 for surrounds.

need your suggestions on which receiver is the perfect match for my speakers. thanks.  :)
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: 5Speed on Sep 14, 2004 at 10:30 AM
lazee,

I havent heard a Bose 301 speakers paired to a Yammy or an Onkyo but I heard it paired to a Denon already and it is quite okay, heard it paired to a Pioneer and its a bit bright for me...

I think I will choose an Onkyo given a chance to decide between yammy and onkyo... I am more into music and I rather choose an AVR that is musically inclined, if it also performs good in movies, then it is just a bonus for me.:):) coz I dont have much money to burn to make an another system just for music at the moment.

It is just me anyway, different person have different preferences, a friend of mine is in another way, he chooses movies (HT) rather than music....and he has a  Yammy + B&W combo...  so diff strokes for a diff folks...:):)


Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: zakkaz on Sep 14, 2004 at 10:32 AM
hi guys. i'm still contemplating on whether to get the onkyo tx-sr502 or yamaha rx-v450.

di ko kaya yung hk avr230/330, la na sa budget.  :P

btw, i'm using bose 301 speakers for fronts, bose center speaker, and polkaudio r15 for surrounds.

need your suggestions on which receiver is the perfect match for my speakers. thanks.  :)
well super sayang talaga ur gonna regret not buying harman kardon
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: levi on Sep 15, 2004 at 12:43 AM
If he wont hear a Harman then ok lang.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: 5Speed on Sep 15, 2004 at 02:37 PM
hehehe tama ka dyan ser levi...

yon ang problema ko ngayon, nakarinig ako nang HK receiver, parang bigla kong gustong palitan yung Denon ko....although masaya naman ako sa Denon ko pero parang nakakaintriga yung HK....hehehehe
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: lazeeb0y on Sep 16, 2004 at 12:43 AM
If he wont hear a Harman then ok lang.

hmmm... if it's really that good then i guess i should avoid auditioning it further para di ako magsisi. what i don't know won't hurt me.  ;D

i've finally decided to get the onkyo. sounds much better than the yamaha when matched with bose 301's, specially when playing cd's.

thanks for your advice guys.  :)
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: jacorb88 on Sep 17, 2004 at 01:19 PM
guys need your help.

planning to buy avr and here are my options:
1. hk avr3550 (5.1, 65w)
2. hk avr130 (5.1, 45w)
3. yamaha rx-v440 (6.1, 75w)
4. denon avr-1604 (6.1, 110w)
5. onkyo tx-sr502 (6.1, 75w)

seems denon has higher wattage than the rest. i read somewhere that hk's wattage rating is quite conservative. how does it fair with denon's 110w, yamaha's 75w and onkyo's 75w?

if hk is indeed conservative in rating wattages, is hk's 65w comparable/better than denon's 110w?

Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: av_phile1 on Sep 17, 2004 at 01:34 PM
Based on specs alone, the figures you mentioned are not enough to say whether one is conservatively rated  than the other or is more powerful.  I would need to see the power ratings, the measurement conditions and their electrical power consumption as published in their  respective user manuals or brochures to make a more judicious assessment. 

You can ofcourse do a comparative audition to see which one sounds more powerful.  THough I seriously doubt the salesfloor guys will allow you to max-out the volumes on their wares.  ;D

I'll try to visit the websites of these models in your list to check their power specs if I can and get back to you. 
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: jacorb88 on Sep 17, 2004 at 01:59 PM
thanks avphile.

i really need you expert opinion. every avr would be almost the same to the untrained ears. i would end up appreciating all of them if i would only rely on my inexperienced ears.

thanks much.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: av_phile1 on Sep 17, 2004 at 05:15 PM
I've posted my personal observations in the HK thread.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: fierari on Sep 17, 2004 at 06:12 PM
sa tingin ko power and performance HK3550


kung looks avr 130 at kung ndi power hungry speaker mo ;D
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: lazeeb0y on Sep 17, 2004 at 09:02 PM
i recently auditioned 3 receivers: yamaha rx-v450, harman kardon avr-130, and onkyo tx-sr502.

i wanted to get an avr that was within my budget, matched my current speaker set-up, and also sounded good whether watching movies or playing cd's.

harman kardon was my first choice but i had to drop it coz the avr230 was way off my budget. didn't get the avr-130 coz it was only 5.1.

yamaha rx-v450 sounded excellent when watching movies but had a so-so performance when i tested some cd's with it.

in short, i ended up with the onkyo tx-sr502. it sounded much better than my yamaha rx-v430, even when playing cd's on my dvd player. and it was way cheaper(sorry, i'm just your typical overworked and underpaid employee) than the harman kardon avr-230.

but i have to admit, performance-wise, hk beats them all.

no regrets, though. i'm happy and contented with my onkyo.  :)
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: torque on Sep 21, 2004 at 01:56 AM
lazeeboy72,
bro, congrats on your new avr.
can you please post or PM me the prices of tx-sr502, hk130 & hk230...thanks!
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: jacorb88 on Sep 21, 2004 at 08:39 AM
tx-sr502 18,500
hk130 - 18,700
hk230 - 25k
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: torque on Sep 21, 2004 at 11:04 AM
jaborb88,
thanks man! if you decided to purchase an HK avr in US kindly post the price and the store...
happy hunting!  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: jacorb88 on Sep 21, 2004 at 02:08 PM
torque,

i shelved the idea of getting the hk abroad. for one, it's weight like avphile had mentioned and more importantly, i'm concerned about the warranty.

it's now a toss up between hk130 and hk3550. a 45w avr to 65w avr. the new model as against the old model.
Title: Comparison between Kenwood VR806 and Sony STR DE597.. ano pipillin mo?
Post by: shuttertrigger on Oct 07, 2004 at 10:27 AM
Hi All,

My Boss is looking for an AVR. At this point, he was still undecided which one will be.
Below are the two receivers he was comparing. Prices are the same.. Kung kayo po siya ano pipiliin nyo in terms of features, function, etc.. Thanks in advance.. ;D

GENERAL                                        KENWOOD                      SONY
Stereo RMS Power (watts)                 100                                90
THD in Stereo                                       0.7 %                          0.09 %
Frequency Response                      40-20k Hz                      20-20k Hz
Front Surround Power (watts x 3)      100                                90
Rear Surround Power (watts)             100                                90
FM Sensitivity                                    13.2 dBf                         11.2 dBf
Built-in DVD Player                               No                                No
On-Screen Display                                No                                No
Multiple Zones/Sources                      None                           None
Remote Control                                Unified A/V                  Unified A/V
Learning Remote                                 No                                 No
LCD Remote                                         No                                 No
Width (inches)                                   17-3/8                          16-7/8
Height (inches)                                 5-11/16                         6-3/16
Depth (inches)                                   13-1/4                          12-7/8
Parts Warranty                                  2 Years                         2 Years
Labor Warranty                                 2 Years                         2 Years

SURROUND PROCESSING
THX Certification                                 No                            No
Dolby Pro Logic II                               Yes                          Yes
Dolby Digital                                       Yes                          Yes
Dolby Digital EX                                  Yes                          Yes
THX Surround EX                                No                            No
DTS                                                     Yes                          Yes
DTS ES                                                Yes                          Yes
DTS Neo:6                                           Yes                          Yes
Video Soundfields                                9                             11

INPUTS & OUTPUTS
Phono Input                                         No                           No
Audio-Video Inputs                               3                             3
Front A/V Inputs                                 None                      None
Audio Inputs                                         3                             2
Composite Video Monitor Outputs        1                             1
S-Video Inputs                                    None                     None
S-Video Outputs                                  None                     None
S-Video Monitor Outputs                     None                     None
Component Video Inputs                       2                            2
Component Video Monitor Outputs        1                            1
Component Video Bandwidth             50MHz                  80MHz
Optical Digital Inputs                              1                           2
Coaxial Digital Inputs                             2                           1
Optical Digital Outputs                        None                    None
Coaxial Digital Outputs                       None                    None
Multi-channel Inputs                           None                      5.1
Subwoofer Outputs                               1                           1
Preamp Outputs                                    3                           1
Main Speaker Output Pairs                    1                           2
Main Speaker Terminals                     Clips            Posts A/Clips B
USB Connection                                  None                  None
i.Link/IEEE 1394 Connection               None                  None

Any feedback will be highly appreciated. Thanks in advance bros.... :) ;D :D
Title: Re: Comparison between Kenwood VR806 and Sony STR DE597.. ano pipillin mo?
Post by: aHobbit on Oct 07, 2004 at 01:34 PM
If based on pure power specs - I will go to SONY.  ::)

If based on flexibility - I will go to Kenwood (for the pre-outs).   :o

If I will select between the two, I will get my favorite CD and hear both of them in the same speaker. The one that satisfy my ear better will be my choice.  8)

If I will be buying any gear, I will just wait for a member to put his better gear on sale and still save on the process.  ;D
Title: Re: Comparison between Kenwood VR806 and Sony STR DE597.. ano pipillin mo?
Post by: shuttertrigger on Oct 07, 2004 at 01:42 PM
If based on pure power specs - I will go to SONY.  ::)

If based on flexibility - I will go to Kenwood (for the pre-outs).   :o

If I will select between the two, I will get my favorite CD and hear both of them in the same speaker. The one that satisfy my ear better will be my choice.  8)

If I will be buying any gear, I will just wait for a member to put his better gear on sale and still save on the process.  ;D

Thanks for the reply bro! Pre medyo OT lang, wala pa rin bang Dial Tone na bookshelf speaker? hehehe thanks pre  :)
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: levi on Oct 07, 2004 at 02:08 PM
How about other brands like HK or Denon? It will give him more options.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: shuttertrigger on Oct 07, 2004 at 02:14 PM
How about other brands like HK or Denon? It will give him more options.

sir levi, thanks for the suggestion.. saw both kenwood and sony at cruthcfield.com for $199 kasi. Ang HK and Denon po ba may Avr din for this price change? thanks  ;D
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: jcob on Oct 07, 2004 at 02:24 PM
If you're buying from the US. I suggets you try the pricegrabber.com.
Base on your budget, IMO Pioneer is the best way to go. Try to visit the site also of pricetool.com
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: craynier on Oct 12, 2004 at 04:07 AM
I need a last minute advice from you guys please help me out on this before I decide to purchase a new receiver.


Do I go for Denon AVR - 3805?
or
Do I go for Harman Kardon AVR - 630?

Performance, Features, Looks and Price Wise?


Btw,  I will pair this with my Mission Speakers. 


Thanks! :)
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: zakkaz on Oct 12, 2004 at 10:29 AM
I need a last minute advice from you guys please help me out on this before I decide to purchase a new receiver.


Do I go for Denon AVR - 3805?
or
Do I go for Harman Kardon AVR - 630?

Performance, Features, Looks and Price Wise?


Btw,  I will pair this with my Mission Speakers. 


Thanks! :)

try auditioning both the amplifier @ spectra parksquare 1
this will help you decide which one is better
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: spectraav on Oct 12, 2004 at 10:34 AM
I need a last minute advice from you guys please help me out on this before I decide to purchase a new receiver.


Do I go for Denon AVR - 3805?
or
Do I go for Harman Kardon AVR - 630?

Performance, Features, Looks and Price Wise?


Btw,  I will pair this with my Mission Speakers. 


Thanks! :)

the new stocks of 3805 just arrived yesterday
if you want visit our store @ parksquare 1 ayala center so that you'll be able to make the judgement
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: mcbry on Oct 12, 2004 at 11:46 AM
magkano po naman sir ang Denon AVR-3805?

thanks,
 :)
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: av_phile1 on Oct 12, 2004 at 04:22 PM
I need a last minute advice from you guys please help me out on this before I decide to purchase a new receiver.


Do I go for Denon AVR - 3805?
or
Do I go for Harman Kardon AVR - 630?

Performance, Features, Looks and Price Wise?


Btw,  I will pair this with my Mission Speakers. 


Thanks! :)


They are both 7.1 receivers of nearly the same heft and weight.    Performance and Power-wise, I'd get a Harman.  Based on the looks and features department, I'd get the Denon (especially if it's all black  ;D)   But that's just me.

Looking at their downloaded PDF users manual.  Here are some observations based purely on their published specs (their promises)

From

Denon site:
http://www.usa.denon.com/catalog/pdfs/AVR3805%20DFU.pdf

HK site:
https://www.hci-services.com/tech_doc/documents/harman%20kardon/Home/Electronics/AVR/AVR%20630/Owner%27s%20Manual/AVR630_English.pdf

In Terms of Power

Power consumption:

HK:  1040 watts maximum (with all channels driven)
Denon:  7.1A at 120VAC or 852watts (assumed to be maximum)

Rated output power:

HK:  75watts per channel into 8 ohms x 7 or 525watts total
Denon:  120watts per channel into 8 ohms x 7 or 840 watts total

I don't see how Denon can deliver more power than the HK with ALL channels driven when its power consumption is a lot less than that of the HK.  I would guess from those figures that the HK may even sound more detailed and powerful.   HK may have an edge in terms of its ability to supply transient dynamic power even at rated power.  This is actually my favourite complaint against these power specs measured under different conditions.  An apples to apples comparison is often impossible.  But their power consumption often belie their claims.  HK's total  rated output power is well within its total power consumption, plus taking into consideration the power needed for heat dissipation or losses as well as transients.   Denon has no such allowances as rated.  With class A/B amps, power efficiency is identical and you normally should have a power transformer rated at twice the intended power output, at least.  An amp that consumes only 852 watts can NEVER deliver the claimed 840 watts of output.  Hence, the HK is conservatively power rated.  The Denon is not.

BUT...if your listening habbit doesn't require you to drive the receiver's amps to high volumes, nor use speakers that are exceptionally difficult to drive, the above consideration may not be material.  Manufacturers are very well familiar with this, so they can over-rate their gears knowing fully well that normal listening levels don't require their gears to pump out all that power.   But in case you do, the HK will deliver AS PROMISED in their specs.  Denon will probably sound just as powerful.  But for sure this Denon model cannot sound more powerful than the HK model as their power ratings would suggest,  compared with the HK's. 

In terms of other audio features

S/N, THD, and frequency responses vary just a bit between the two, but they are not that substantial.  HK has a wider bandwidth, but for me a 30khz difference  above 100khz is not that material.  And their reckoning points are also different. One is measured at the 1W level, the other is silent.  They both start out at 10Hz, their -3db points, presumably.  Excellent enough-something that is fairly common with high bandwidth amps.  (Just makes me miss some of those old superfeedforward Sansui amps that start at 0 hz or DC all the way to 200khz way back in the 80s.)

HK publishes the slew rates and  rise times which to me are about as good as any across many well designed amplifiers.  So Denon's silence in this is understandable.  Many excellent amps likewise don't see the need publishing slew rates and rise times.  They're mostly taken for granted with well-thought-out amps in this price range and above. 

Just one caveat again,  Denon publishes dynamic power into 2 ohms and 4 ohms.  This can be misleading to some consumers who may overlook the  "dynamic" qualfication and assume that the receiver can drive 2 ohm or 4 ohm loads.   Not true.  Denon's explicit injunction to use only 6 ohm speakers and above is quite clear at the back panel and in the spec section.  Personally, in the same way that its continuous power measures do, such dynamic power abilities fly in the face of its relatively weak power transformer rating at rated power. 

In terms of other features:

Cursory inspection on the manual suggests they both support all the sound formats known to man today - all the suites of DD and DTS modes.  Denon, in addition, supports HDCD processing, something that may not matter much as there are not that many HDCD titles.  But if you have a digital connection to your CD player that has no HDCD processing, this feature can be a plus for the few titles out there.

Both have multi-zone capabilities for listening to stereo music in another room using another source. 

Both have detachable power cords.  Something I consider important for easier set-ups.

Both have pre-outs for all channels. Something to look for should you itch to upgrade to a more powerful outboard power amplifiers in the future.  Or if you really plan to use the reciever as a separate processor/preamp from the start, like many do. 

Both have BY-PASS modes to listen to analog stereo by-passing all digital processing in the other modes.  Something I consider important when listening to stereo mode.

Both have an Audio Delay feature that allows you to synchronise the sound with the lip movement in films.  There are some DVD materials that exhibit an apparent disparity between lip movements and the voice.  This feature will do nicely to correct any perceived sync problems.

Both have an automated room equalization feature that, using a microphone (built into the HK remote), will dgitally sample a feedback of room accoustics to adjust the levels and frequency responses of each channel based on the room's characteristic accoustic conditions.  This faciity obviously means that the receiver has its own built-in equalizer PER channel.  You can adjust the eq manually as well.   Not exactly a favourite of purits audiophiles as they prefer to accoustically treat the rooms rather than equalize electronically to alter the sound signals. But if you're no purist, this is a wonderful feature that can optimize the sounds getting to your ears.

I find the back panel of the Denon more logically laid out with all speaker outlets on one side. Though the power cords above them might prove awkward.

The HK brochure mentions about fan ventillation holes at the back. I assume it has a fan.  I am a bit worrisome about this, knowing that fan motors can contribute to the amp's noise floor.   I also noticed the HK has a U/L certification (Underwriters laboratories) that specifies the safe heat dissipation in electronic amps for home use.  I can thus understand why their recommended load as indicated near the speaker terminals is 8 ohms.  Often, passing the UL certification for heat dissipation will require the manufacturer to specify a higher speaker load than what it can drive.  So even if it can drive 4 ohm loads, its heat dissipation after a few minutes won't pass UL certification.  Denon apparently has no such UL marks. 

Denon has the proprietary D-link terminal which I consider important if you have plans to use FULL digital connection to your DVD player's  SACD and DVD-A capabilities using DENON DVD players or universals.    I am not entirely certain about the extent of the D-link, but I think you only need this link to enable full bass management and channel delay compensation in the digital domain - something that can be critical in listening to multichannel high resolution music.   BUT only DENON DVD players have this terminal.  Pioneer has an equivalent i-link if not mistaken, so is Meridian.  But they're exclusive to the brand, can't talk to each other. These are proprietary connections for FULL video and audio digital connection using just ONE cable.  I think the Firewire option is the same.

Denon has a video upconversion feature that can be a real advantage to movie lovers.  Regardless of the connection between the player and the AVR (whether composite or s-video), Denon's up-conversion abilities can deliver a better video resolution to the monitor via component cables.

Denon has variable crossover settings between its speakers and sub. 

Denon comes with a very attractive and unique remote control with dual large LCD displays.  If only for this, I just might get this brand, with all things equal.  ;D

Denon has a Phono preamp, HK doesn't.   If you are a vinyl lover, HK won't be the way to go, unless you have an outboard phono preamp.

So far, these are  my observations based on the downloaded pdf brochure.  I may have overlooked some or made some wrong impressions so feel free to point them out.  There probably are more differences and similarities.  And even among each similarities, there may be differences in terms of user-friendliness or flexibility.  The Denon does seem to have more features.  I especially like the D-link facility to optimize their equally excellent universal players in the hi-res department.  I believe your VALUE perceptions will determine which one is right for you.  I probably can't go wrong with either receivers.  Nothwithstanding my complaints on the power rating of Denon as published, don't let that get in the way of your decision, as long as you don't expect to use all that power as claimed.  Do audition either and get a feel of their sound and their construction and how easy the remote controls are to navigate through.  Use a familiar CD or DVD as your test source.  Happy hunting.

Just my thoughts.

Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: levi on Oct 12, 2004 at 11:05 PM
Just a personal preference. Im for Harman.

OT
AV_phile1,

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Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: spectraav on Oct 13, 2004 at 10:35 AM
magkano po naman sir ang Denon AVR-3805?

thanks,
 :)
59T cash price
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: craynier on Oct 13, 2004 at 10:19 PM


They are both 7.1 receivers of nearly the same heft and weight.    Performance and Power-wise, I'd get a Harman.  Based on the looks and features department, I'd get the Denon (especially if it's all black  ;D)   But that's just me.

Looking at their downloaded PDF users manual.  Here are some observations based purely on their published specs (their promises)

From

Denon site:
http://www.usa.denon.com/catalog/pdfs/AVR3805%20DFU.pdf

HK site:
https://www.hci-services.com/tech_doc/documents/harman%20kardon/Home/Electronics/AVR/AVR%20630/Owner%27s%20Manual/AVR630_English.pdf

In Terms of Power

Power consumption:

HK:  1040 watts maximum (with all channels driven)
Denon:  7.1A at 120VAC or 852watts (assumed to be maximum)

Rated output power:

HK:  75watts per channel into 8 ohms x 7 or 525watts total
Denon:  120watts per channel into 8 ohms x 7 or 840 watts total

I don't see how Denon can deliver more power than the HK with ALL channels driven when its power consumption is a lot less than that of the HK.  I would guess from those figures that the HK may even sound more detailed and powerful.   HK may have an edge in terms of its ability to supply transient dynamic power even at rated power.  This is actually my favourite complaint against these power specs measured under different conditions.  An apples to apples comparison is often impossible.  But their power consumption often belie their claims.  HK's total  rated output power is well within its total power consumption, plus taking into consideration the power needed for heat dissipation or losses as well as transients.   Denon has no such allowances as rated.  With class A/B amps, power efficiency is identical and you normally should have a power transformer rated at twice the intended power output, at least.  An amp that consumes only 852 watts can NEVER deliver the claimed 840 watts of output.  Hence, the HK is conservatively power rated.  The Denon is not.

BUT...if your listening habbit doesn't require you to drive the receiver's amps to high volumes, nor use speakers that are exceptionally difficult to drive, the above consideration may not be material.  Manufacturers are very well familiar with this, so they can over-rate their gears knowing fully well that normal listening levels don't require their gears to pump out all that power.   But in case you do, the HK will deliver AS PROMISED in their specs.  Denon will probably sound just as powerful.  But for sure this Denon model cannot sound more powerful than the HK model as their power ratings would suggest,  compared with the HK's. 

In terms of other audio features

S/N, THD, and frequency responses vary just a bit between the two, but they are not that substantial.  HK has a wider bandwidth, but for me a 30khz difference  above 100khz is not that material.  And their reckoning points are also different. One is measured at the 1W level, the other is silent.  They both start out at 10Hz, their -3db points, presumably.  Excellent enough-something that is fairly common with high bandwidth amps.  (Just makes me miss some of those old superfeedforward Sansui amps that start at 0 hz or DC all the way to 200khz way back in the 80s.)

HK publishes the slew rates and  rise times which to me are about as good as any across many well designed amplifiers.  So Denon's silence in this is understandable.  Many excellent amps likewise don't see the need publishing slew rates and rise times.  They're mostly taken for granted with well-thought-out amps in this price range and above. 

Just one caveat again,  Denon publishes dynamic power into 2 ohms and 4 ohms.  This can be misleading to some consumers who may overlook the  "dynamic" qualfication and assume that the receiver can drive 2 ohm or 4 ohm loads.   Not true.  Denon's explicit injunction to use only 6 ohm speakers and above is quite clear at the back panel and in the spec section.  Personally, in the same way that its continuous power measures do, such dynamic power abilities fly in the face of its relatively weak power transformer rating at rated power. 

In terms of other features:

Cursory inspection on the manual suggests they both support all the sound formats known to man today - all the suites of DD and DTS modes.  Denon, in addition, supports HDCD processing, something that may not matter much as there are not that many HDCD titles.  But if you have a digital connection to your CD player that has no HDCD processing, this feature can be a plus for the few titles out there.

Both have multi-zone capabilities for listening to stereo music in another room using another source. 

Both have detachable power cords.  Something I consider important for easier set-ups.

Both have pre-outs for all channels. Something to look for should you itch to upgrade to a more powerful outboard power amplifiers in the future.  Or if you really plan to use the reciever as a separate processor/preamp from the start, like many do. 

Both have BY-PASS modes to listen to analog stereo by-passing all digital processing in the other modes.  Something I consider important when listening to stereo mode.

Both have an Audio Delay feature that allows you to synchronise the sound with the lip movement in films.  There are some DVD materials that exhibit an apparent disparity between lip movements and the voice.  This feature will do nicely to correct any perceived sync problems.

Both have an automated room equalization feature that, using a microphone (built into the HK remote), will dgitally sample a feedback of room accoustics to adjust the levels and frequency responses of each channel based on the room's characteristic accoustic conditions.  This faciity obviously means that the receiver has its own built-in equalizer PER channel.  You can adjust the eq manually as well.   Not exactly a favourite of purits audiophiles as they prefer to accoustically treat the rooms rather than equalize electronically to alter the sound signals. But if you're no purist, this is a wonderful feature that can optimize the sounds getting to your ears.

I find the back panel of the Denon more logically laid out with all speaker outlets on one side. Though the power cords above them might prove awkward.

The HK brochure mentions about fan ventillation holes at the back. I assume it has a fan.  I am a bit worrisome about this, knowing that fan motors can contribute to the amp's noise floor.   I also noticed the HK has a U/L certification (Underwriters laboratories) that specifies the safe heat dissipation in electronic amps for home use.  I can thus understand why their recommended load as indicated near the speaker terminals is 8 ohms.  Often, passing the UL certification for heat dissipation will require the manufacturer to specify a higher speaker load than what it can drive.  So even if it can drive 4 ohm loads, its heat dissipation after a few minutes won't pass UL certification.  Denon apparently has no such UL marks. 

Denon has the proprietary D-link terminal which I consider important if you have plans to use FULL digital connection to your DVD player's  SACD and DVD-A capabilities using DENON DVD players or universals.    I am not entirely certain about the extent of the D-link, but I think you only need this link to enable full bass management and channel delay compensation in the digital domain - something that can be critical in listening to multichannel high resolution music.   BUT only DENON DVD players have this terminal.  Pioneer has an equivalent i-link if not mistaken, so is Meridian.  But they're exclusive to the brand, can't talk to each other. These are proprietary connections for FULL video and audio digital connection using just ONE cable.  I think the Firewire option is the same.

Denon has a video upconversion feature that can be a real advantage to movie lovers.  Regardless of the connection between the player and the AVR (whether composite or s-video), Denon's up-conversion abilities can deliver a better video resolution to the monitor via component cables.

Denon has variable crossover settings between its speakers and sub. 

Denon comes with a very attractive and unique remote control with dual large LCD displays.  If only for this, I just might get this brand, with all things equal.  ;D

Denon has a Phono preamp, HK doesn't.   If you are a vinyl lover, HK won't be the way to go, unless you have an outboard phono preamp.

So far, these are  my observations based on the downloaded pdf brochure.  I may have overlooked some or made some wrong impressions so feel free to point them out.  There probably are more differences and similarities.  And even among each similarities, there may be differences in terms of user-friendliness or flexibility.  The Denon does seem to have more features.  I especially like the D-link facility to optimize their equally excellent universal players in the hi-res department.  I believe your VALUE perceptions will determine which one is right for you.  I probably can't go wrong with either receivers.  Nothwithstanding my complaints on the power rating of Denon as published, don't let that get in the way of your decision, as long as you don't expect to use all that power as claimed.  Do audition either and get a feel of their sound and their construction and how easy the remote controls are to navigate through.  Use a familiar CD or DVD as your test source.  Happy hunting.

Just my thoughts.



Thanks a lot for this insight on both this receivers. As you have said, don't let the power rating go in my way which is true because I won't be using it's power wattage to the max. I guess with this fine detailed side by side comparison for both the receivers, I have decided to get the Denon 3805 which was really my receiver of choice at the first place.

I just wanted to see some insights from others before I decide on things like this which is irreversible especially with the price range of this 2 receivers, you must not go wrong on picking which is which.  ???

Thanks a lot av_phile1 for this very informative insight on both this receivers. Keep it up!  ;D

 
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: av_phile1 on Oct 14, 2004 at 09:59 AM

OT
AV_phile1,

    You have not registered for the Grand eb.

Levi

Tks for reminding.  Will do.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: vq on Dec 03, 2004 at 01:16 AM
just bought my 3805 at spectra with ae3 and center. so far so good naman. its a good choice
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: av_phile1 on Dec 03, 2004 at 09:50 AM
Congrats!!! Enjoy your new toys.  ;D
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: mcbry on Dec 03, 2004 at 10:25 AM
just bought my 3805 at spectra with ae3 and center. so far so good naman. its a good choice

Congrats bro! 

enjoy,
 :)
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: classicman on Feb 04, 2005 at 06:46 PM
if you are to choose between a Yamaha RX-V450 & a Denon AVR-1705, intended to be set-up on a 15-square meter room on an 80%-20% video/audio usage ratio, alin ang pipiliin mo at bakit, pls explain briefly...... ::)


thanks a lot in advance...... 8)
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: shuttertrigger on Feb 05, 2005 at 06:53 AM
I find myself contemplating on what to choose between HK130 5.1 and Marantz SR4500 7.1. Marantz is much cheaper 17.5k  and also its 7.1 compare to HK130 19k and its only 5.1. Fellow members, please let me know your thoughts...Thanks.. ;D

BTW, Im 50/50 Movie/Audio. Thanks again  ;D
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: backdraft on Feb 05, 2005 at 07:41 AM
^^ ano speakers gagamitin nyo sir?
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: shuttertrigger on Feb 05, 2005 at 07:48 AM
^^ ano speakers gagamitin nyo sir?

Probably wharf 9.5 bookshelf  ;D
thanks  ;D
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: classicman on Feb 05, 2005 at 09:44 PM
^^ ano speakers gagamitin nyo sir?

sir, am presently using Tannoy DC-1000 (lumang model made in UK) for my frontWharfedale Diamond 6R (lumang model din made in UK) for my rearPolk Audio CS101 for my center;  and just bought Wharfedale sw150 for my sub..... :)

sana matulungan nyo ako sa mga inputs nyo, thanks a lot in advance..... 8)
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: backdraft on Feb 08, 2005 at 05:33 AM
sir, am presently using Tannoy DC-1000 (lumang model made in UK) for my front; Wharfedale Diamond 6R (lumang model din made in UK) for my rear; Polk Audio CS101 for my center; and just bought Wharfedale sw150 for my sub..... :)

sana matulungan nyo ako sa mga inputs nyo, thanks a lot in advance..... 8)

sorry sir newbie lang, up na lang natin para sa mga GURUS...  ;D
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: jerix on Feb 08, 2005 at 06:55 AM
I find myself contemplating on what to choose between HK130 5.1 and Marantz SR4500 7.1. Marantz is much cheaper 17.5k  and also its 7.1 compare to HK130 19k and its only 5.1. Fellow members, please let me know your thoughts...Thanks.. ;D

BTW, Im 50/50 Movie/Audio. Thanks again  ;D

bro, i think the marantz sr4500 7.1 has a 192/24 DAC so for me if ever i will upgrade i go for the unit which has higher DAC level to pair with my pioneer 676 which also has 192/24 DAC. -- better for music  ;D
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: shuttertrigger on Feb 08, 2005 at 06:58 AM
bro, i think the marantz sr4500 7.1 has a 192/24 DAC so for me if ever i will upgrade i go for the unit which has higher DAC level to pair with my pioneer 676 which also has 192/24 DAC. -- better for music  ;D

bro jerix, so you were saying if you were on my case, you'll choose marantz intead ok HK? thanks  ;D
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: av_phile1 on Feb 08, 2005 at 10:49 AM
sir, am presently using Tannoy DC-1000 (lumang model made in UK) for my frontWharfedale Diamond 6R (lumang model din made in UK) for my rearPolk Audio CS101 for my center;  and just bought Wharfedale sw150 for my sub..... :)

sana matulungan nyo ako sa mga inputs nyo, thanks a lot in advance..... 8)

For your room size, I would think either the Yamaha or Denon are more than enough in terms of power.

Your 5.1 speakers are as varied as they come.  Hope their timbral qualities aren't that different.  Check their nominal impedances. Just make sure the receiver you get can handle the various impedances of your speakers for front, center and back.

In terms of bells and whistles, the Yamaha often has more.  Personally, I'd prefer a Denon - a brand I know specializes well in home playback and recording systems.  But that's just me. 
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: classicman on Feb 08, 2005 at 06:51 PM
For your room size, I would think either the Yamaha or Denon are more than enough in terms of power.

Your 5.1 speakers are as varied as they come.  Hope their timbral qualities aren't that different.  Check their nominal impedances. Just make sure the receiver you get can handle the various impedances of your speakers for front, center and back.

In terms of bells and whistles, the Yamaha often has more.  Personally, I'd prefer a Denon - a brand I know specializes well in home playback and recording systems.  But that's just me. 

i already got the yammy 450 from Soundroom SM City Cebu at about the same time you posted your inputs, kinati na kasi ako eh at di na nakatiis, hehehe ;D

i auditioned these two receivers and a third one an onkyo, using the same set of speakers & playing the same dvd discs & one cd audio disc on the same volume level, my untrained ears chose the yammy over the 2 others as far as playing dvds is concerned, but denon had an edge as far as playing the cd audio is concerned..... ;)

since i'l be devoting my receiver more into HT (on an 80% to 20% ratio) than into audio as i've posted earlier, i decided to get the yammy 450 8)

moreover, the price of the yammy is lower than the denon 1705 by around Php3,000.00, so this is another factor why i chose the former over the latter..... :D

thanks for your inputs anyway, sir av_phile.....had i read it before i went to the store, who knows it could have affected my choice.....but i am definitely happy w/ my decision & can live w/ it, ika nga...... ;D
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: av_phile1 on Feb 09, 2005 at 01:52 PM
Classicman,

You can't go wrong with a Yamaha, especially in HT.  They're well-kown to perform well in this area.  And yes, Denon to me is more musical, which is why I prefer it as I am more into music than HT.   And since, as you said, you're 80-20 in favor of HT, you've done your selection well. Congrats and happy HTing!! ;D
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: classicman on Feb 09, 2005 at 06:32 PM
Classicman,

You can't go wrong with a Yamaha, especially in HT.  They're well-kown to perform well in this area.  And yes, Denon to me is more musical, which is why I prefer it as I am more into music than HT.   And since, as you said, you're 80-20 in favor of HT, you've done your selection well. Congrats and happy HTing!! ;D

thanks a lot again, sir av_phile 8)
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: jerix on Feb 10, 2005 at 11:01 AM
bro jerix, so you were saying if you were on my case, you'll choose marantz intead ok HK? thanks  ;D

bro, probably YES with the MARANTZ with 192/24 DAC. But if HK offers the same feature of DAC and i have more money i go for the HK --  ;D
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: shuttertrigger on Feb 10, 2005 at 11:05 AM
bro, probably YES with the MARANTZ with 192/24 DAC. But if HK offers the same feature of DAC and i have more money i go for the HK --  ;D

thanks bro! esep esep ulit muna  ;D
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: t_s_o_n_g on Feb 10, 2005 at 02:53 PM
Likewise here, if you have extra money, go for HK...  ;D
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: sillyputty on Feb 11, 2005 at 07:05 PM
ano po dapat ang bandwith/freq response ng receiver pagdating sa component switching para maging compatible(at walang degradation ng pic quality) sa HD at progressive scan signals
iniisip ko kasing gamitin ang component switching capability ng receiver pero di ko alam kung madedegrade ba ang signal.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: keema on Mar 08, 2005 at 11:19 PM
tanong ko lang mga sirs...talking about DAC's..ano bang DAC's ng HK avr 130? 230? and 330? lahat ba ay 192/24? salamat...
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: allvin_98 on Mar 10, 2005 at 12:50 PM
tanong ko lang mga sirs...talking about DAC's..ano bang DAC's ng HK avr 130? 230? and 330? lahat ba ay 192/24? salamat...

Sir Kimo paki sagot mo naman ito. he he he. thanks
Title: marantz sr-7500 vs yamaha rx-v1500. which is better irregardless of spkrs,room
Post by: turismo1997 on Mar 14, 2005 at 08:19 PM
Hello guys,

I need your opinions regarding which receiver is better, the marantz sr-7500 or yamaha rx-v1500. This is irregardless of speaker setup, room..

Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: ronjet on Mar 19, 2005 at 02:42 AM
sir..if you will to choose between marantz 4500 7.1 and the older yamaha rxv1200? in terms of features and use...mga 70 or 60 ht and 40 music... ???
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Speaker Doctor on Mar 21, 2005 at 11:00 AM
gurus,

please enlighten me, what's the difference between a Dolby Pro-logic receiver with the ones that's Dolby Digital, DTS, etc.

thanks in advance


Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: bumblebee on Mar 21, 2005 at 11:05 AM
gurus,

please enlighten me, what's the difference between a Dolby Pro-logic receiver with the ones that's Dolby Digital, DTS, etc.

thanks in advance




im no guru...

prologic receivers can't process dd/dts 5.1.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Speaker Doctor on Mar 21, 2005 at 02:31 PM
Will the dvd player with dolby digital & dts decoder produce DD & DTS if it's connected to a pro logic receiver with 5.1 channel ???

thanks.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: eRaSeR on Mar 21, 2005 at 06:17 PM
sir, kung meron 5.1 ch pre yung receiver mo pwede yan. ide decode padin ng dvd player mo yan since meron sya built in dd/dts decoder.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: ronjet on Mar 22, 2005 at 12:22 AM
sir..if you will to choose between marantz 4500 7.1 and the older yamaha rxv1200? in terms of features and use...mga 70 or 60 ht and 40 music... ???

up ko lang po for COMPARISON of these receivers...tnx in advance :)
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: s2kov on Mar 22, 2005 at 08:31 AM
Ronjet,

If audio is included on your consideration, i'll go for Marantz 4500! :)
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: mcbry on Mar 22, 2005 at 08:48 AM
ronjet, considering you're more into ht i suggest you choose yamaha... yamaha is known to be very good in ht... just my suggestion  :)...

audition na bro  :)
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: migs26 on Mar 22, 2005 at 01:55 PM
im choosing between marantz  sr4500 7.1 and yamaha rvx450 6.1...
in terms of usage ...80% HT..20% audio..

please help me in choosing..  TIA!

 O0
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: bumblebee on Mar 22, 2005 at 01:58 PM
im choosing between marantz 440 6.1 and yamaha 450 6.1...
in terms of usage ...80% HT..20% audio..

please help me in choosing..  TIA!

 O0

HT-yamaha
audio-marantz ;)
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: mcbry on Mar 22, 2005 at 02:41 PM
im choosing between marantz  sr4500 7.1 and yamaha rvx450 6.1...
in terms of usage ...80% HT..20% audio..

please help me in choosing..  TIA!

 O0

...80% HT..20% audio... -> with this preference i choose yamaha  :)
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Compaq on Mar 22, 2005 at 03:32 PM
Makasingit nga po :)

Following the principle "If it's good in Audio, it's also good in HT, but not the other way around"[/i], which is widely/highly accepted, isn't choosing a musical (meaning good in audio) receiver the safest way to go?

Ang ibig sabihin ba, ok na sa Audio, ok na sa HT pero talo pa rin ng Yamaha pagdating sa HT yung mga musical receivers?

Something like --
                                                                     Audio                         HT

Marantz (or other musical receivers)                    *****                        *****
Yamaha                                                          ****                          *******  ;D

Tama ba?

Cheers!!!
Compaq

Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: aHobbit on Mar 22, 2005 at 03:58 PM
Makasingit nga po :)

Following the principle "If it's good in Audio, it's also good in HT, but not the other way around"[/i], which is widely/highly accepted, isn't choosing a musical (meaning good in audio) receiver the safest way to go?

Ang ibig sabihin ba, ok na sa Audio, ok na sa HT pero talo pa rin ng Yamaha pagdating sa HT yung mga musical receivers?

Something like --
                                                                     Audio                         HT

Marantz (or other musical receivers)                    *****                        *****
Yamaha                                                          ****                          *******  ;D

Tama ba?

Cheers!!!
Compaq



unless you know how to make Yamaha sound like marantz in music!  ;)
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: bumblebee on Mar 22, 2005 at 04:04 PM
Makasingit nga po :)

Following the principle "If it's good in Audio, it's also good in HT, but not the other way around"[/i], which is widely/highly accepted, isn't choosing a musical (meaning good in audio) receiver the safest way to go?

Ang ibig sabihin ba, ok na sa Audio, ok na sa HT pero talo pa rin ng Yamaha pagdating sa HT yung mga musical receivers?

Something like --
                                                                     Audio                         HT

Marantz (or other musical receivers)                    *****                        *****
Yamaha                                                          ****                          *******  ;D

Tama ba?

Cheers!!!
Compaq



i think the musically-lacking yamahas are of previous models. hence, the "If it's good in Audio, it's also good in HT, but not the other way around"[/i] principle.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Compaq on Mar 22, 2005 at 04:28 PM
unless you know how to make Yamaha sound like marantz in music!  ;)

Makasingit nga po :)

.., isn't choosing a musical (meaning good in audio) receiver the safest way to go?


Hi aHobbit, do you also believe in the principle I mentioned? :)

Cheers!!!
Compaq

Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: turismo1997 on Mar 22, 2005 at 05:52 PM
question lang po, balak ko kasi bumili ng yamaha rx-v1500 :)

kung i-rate natin sila from this scale:

5 - excellent
4 - very good
3 - good
2 - fair
1 - poor

saan po mag fa-fall ang yamaha at marantz in terms of music & HT..

thanks
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: aHobbit on Mar 22, 2005 at 06:17 PM
i think the musically-lacking yamahas are of previous models. hence, the "If it's good in Audio, it's also good in HT, but not the other way around"[/i] principle.

It is a fact that I have a RX-V630 - if you are refering to previous models.  ;)

Yes, I have my whatf 8.3 and 8.1 to it earlier - and I dont want it musically, but very nice in theater modes.

So, as always, music is a synergy of source, amp, speaker (and cables for those believers), I have my music amp which is the same 630. with Yamaha facilities and knowing that the amp is just one in the chain that makes the sound, then you can configure what sound you want to come out of yamaha by varying any one in the chain. for me, the right matching musical speakers to Yamaha 630 did the trick.

My music is not always the audiophile CDs like that of Jheena or susan or Jacintha etc - not always the SACD - not always the vocal-rich material - not always the piano - not always the symphony or classical. If I do not know where to vary my chain, then I will end up with diff amps for diff genre of music I like - me sad, AV vendor happy  :P. I have accepted the fact that some messy sound engineers (themselves artist injecting their own idea of how the music should sound in the final recorded materials) will not always record my favorite materials the way I want to hear it.

I first heard the idea from an australian audiophile, and then I demonstrated it to my brother to his surprise. Before, I can not stand listening at loud levels using my wharf 8.3 nor 8.1 in 630. But now, I can extend my 630 even to -20dB and still sit back and close my eyes in full musical pleasure for hours, that is using a different set of speaker for music materials.

Again, this is an art in which you are the one who is in control and make what you want and suit your taste.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: aHobbit on Mar 22, 2005 at 06:38 PM

 isn't choosing a musical (meaning good in audio) receiver the safest way to go?


A musical receiver is a RELATIVE statement. - as in MUSICAL with what SPEAKER, with what SOURCE, with what CABLE  ???, with what INTERCONNECT  ???  ??? with what MATERIAL.

I read somebody in pinoydvd said he use the pre-amp of 630 to a good rotel power amp, and the sound is ang sakit sa tenga - and said probably, that yamaha 630 is bad musically.

Then another used a tono pre-amp to the rotel, and found it is alsa sakit sa tenga, and just said that perhaps the tono pre-amp is not matched to the rotel.

You are looking at 2 diff statement which is basically the same banana.

Pick what you think is a musical receiver, and paired it with a speaker which will not tame the amps weakness - the result of the whole chain is bad musicality. (e.g. bright receiver to bright speaker)

That's why, you should learn how to read reviews if it is your only source of evaluation in buying gears. To many audiophiles, a receiver's review is just a commercial advertisement that has nothing if the source, the cable, the speaker and the material were not tabulated with the receiver. Further, the subtlety of a musical receiver lies on what speaker and source have been used in the first place. That musical receiver will ultimately be reduced to a crap receiver if a different component in the chain will be varied.

I will give you a CASE in point. Take the T-amp. It is now a raved amp. tube heads and high-end reviewers are all praise to this. but some who jumped into the frays are disappointed - was it a blown-up emotions of reviewers? They failed to appreciate the fact that these high-end reviewers (typically tube heads) use single high efficiency full range drivers in horns or what other speaker implementations - which can largely affect the performance of a given amp.

So going back. You can establish a receiver to be musical - but note it is not the receiver alone doing the reproduction of the music. The whole chain is the one reproducing the music! You mess up one component in the chain, and you end up not-so-musical whatever it may be. Of course, you can always blame the receiver.  ;D It will not answer back to you anyway. But you still miss the whole point of this art of listening to music - system matching IMHO!  8)
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: levi on Mar 22, 2005 at 07:13 PM
I also believe in the chain but there are different percentage of effects on the system and I believe the receiver is one of the big factor on the sound. I would start with a musical receiver. just my 2 cent.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: aHobbit on Mar 23, 2005 at 08:43 AM
I also believe in the chain but there are different percentage of effects on the system and I believe the receiver is one of the big factor on the sound. I would start with a musical receiver. just my 2 cent.

Levi,

This is again relative.

Not all audiophile start with an amp in system building.

I may be biased to say majority - but for consideration - a certain bulk of audiophile start with the speakers, not with the amp. You might belong to the other bulk that start with the amp.

Another thing is that the budget you spend in the chain. Again, the vast users put the bigger budget to the speaker, then the source, then the amp. You as an artist can also alter this sequence - no absolute here but just mention of some specific sequence of budget.

For others, the wire plays a big component in the sound for them to ultimately says it is a night and day difference.

So, depending on your inclination, and depending on which camp your are most influenced with, you tend to follow their practice. So you can always hit one of the chain as the culprit - nobody stopping you there. But to hit that specific equipment is again not an absolute, but rather, your creativity in trying to play the art of system building.

again, a MUSICAL speaker is relative. a MUSICAL receiver is relative. a MUSICAL cable  ??? is relatve. The best review of AVR is the one that lists all the components in the chain for it to be meaningful. and for reviews to be useful and applicable to you is if you follow the whole chain used in the assessment. Varying such makes the reviews of no use at all but a reference for a certain synergy setup - nothing more.

It is always a joy to read amp brochure. In the course of reading, I always high light what is a sales pitch for the receiver - the marketing guys polishing the advertisement.

Why do we practice system matching? Just to make sure our whole system setup (the whole chain) will not sound crap. And this is regarless of price point and regardless of our system building inclination. And having the best speaker, or the best musical receiver (for whatever standard you set and relative to what) as you wished is not a guarantee of musical reproduction.

This is my indulgence and my 1 peso!  ;D
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Compaq on Mar 23, 2005 at 09:30 AM
But you still miss the whole point of this art of listening to music - system matching IMHO!  8)

Aah, talk about system matching, i've already tasted it - Click Me (http://www.pinoydvd.com/board/index.php?topic=31736.0)

Isa pang hirit ha ;D

Considering the current pool of available receivers in the market, are you saying that we can't identify a brand which we can refer to as MUSICAL?

Cheers!!!
Compaq
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: aHobbit on Mar 23, 2005 at 11:31 AM
Aah, talk about system matching, i've already tasted it - Click Me (http://www.pinoydvd.com/board/index.php?topic=31736.0)

Isa pang hirit ha ;D

Considering the current pool of available receivers in the market, are you saying that we can't identify a brand which we can refer to as MUSICAL?

Cheers!!!
Compaq


Mura at maganda yung yarland huh! At least you also know how to make use of tone control to accomplish your sonic goal - also part of the musical artistry.

Your question can easily be answered if all of us agree on 1 set of ideal gears (material, source, amp, speaker, cable, and acoustic treatment if you want) where we will reference the music performance of our chosen setup. Further, we should also agree that there is one genre of music by which we will be listening to and that regardless of our individual taste (subjectivity) in tonal balance, a single reference tonal balance should be considered norm by everybody (all audiophile).

As you may have noted it by this time, I am speaking of the ideal world which is not existent.

It is like we have to identify that a red is more red than the rest unless we agree that there is one standard RED color by which we can refer to our comparison - or else this will be a never-ending arguments and nobody will emerge a clear winner.

So, to summarize: a receiver can not be musical on its own, nor a receiver+speaker, nor an AVR/spkr/source, nor AVR/spkr/source/cable. The only time you can evaluate musicality is when you start playing (reproduce) some music - and this is the case if you start playing your material.

So you can establish a musical receiver from a pool of known receivers provided you establish your parameters (constant) - for a given speakers, source, material,and wire if you want.

And Yamaha was known in pinoydvd as non musical receiver compared to others - and this is not a wrong evaluation as far as I am concerned - because I know your perimeters - such as your speakers as basically wharf diamonds or BW or MA etc. And I myself will agree on that being an owner of diamonds myself. But to say that Yamaha is by itself a non-musical receiver without referencing to what speaker etc, is by itself not worth any weight - a useless statement.

Here is another CASE - the gain card (GC). For some who dont know, the gain card is a touted amp - costing thousand of dollars, and tube heads and high end SS users evaluated this specie with good report - indeed, they say, a MUSICAL amp, better than what your AVRs can deliver, music wise.

Here is a person who tried the GC, put his favorite speaker (an 85dB one), and the GC went kaput. PANGET! So can he now begin to declare that GC is not musical? Probably YES! But does that mean the GC is not musical by itself? NO!

But that person concluded that GC is good if you are using high eff full range or easy to drive networked speakers. And this is how audiophile understood what synergy means - what systems matching is - and how to rate a receiver if it is musical or not - establish your parameters, and then conclude. Or else your conclusion is just a hot air.  ;D  A statement without a substance.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: migs26 on Mar 23, 2005 at 12:36 PM
...80% HT..20% audio... -> with this preference i choose yamaha  :)

having said so... where can i buy the most reasonably priced yamaha rvx 450 6.1 ?

and for how much ? it is selling for 15k @ The Listening Room...


Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: bumblebee on Mar 23, 2005 at 12:42 PM
having said so... where can i buy the most reasonably priced yamaha rvx 450 6.1 ?

and for how much ? it is selling for 15k @ The Listening Room...




it is said that ambassador appliances have the lowest price for yamahas. check it out :)
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Compaq on Mar 23, 2005 at 12:44 PM
Hi again aHobbit,

Agree!!!

It's not really a matter of usage 80%-HT 20%-Audio or 50-50 or 20-80 or 60-40 or 55-45 but System Matching. No offense meant but i'm bothered and fancied with recommendatory posts based only on percentage usage. Actually, i'm not a believer of the principle I mentioned as you can see, my illustration somehow makes fun of the principle. If it's good in Audio, it must be good in HT because the system is (perfectly) matched not just because it's good in Audio  ??? So newbies, don't just consider your usage (HT/audio), but consider your other equipments as well. Sorry ha, medyo pinaikot-ikot ko pa :)

Cheers!!!
Compaq
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Compaq on Mar 23, 2005 at 12:48 PM
having said so... where can i buy the most reasonably priced yamaha rvx 450 6.1 ?

and for how much ? it is selling for 15k @ The Listening Room...


Try giving Sonny (The Home Theater) a call, he can give you a more reasonable price. His number is
812-52-35/813-84-43.

Cheers!!!
Compaq
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: aHobbit on Mar 23, 2005 at 01:11 PM
Hi again aHobbit,

Agree!!!

It's not really a matter of usage 80%-HT 20%-Audio or 50-50 or 20-80 or 60-40 or 55-45 but System Matching. No offense meant but i'm bothered and fancied with recommendatory posts based only on percentage usage. Actually, i'm not a believer of the principle I mentioned as you can see, my illustration somehow makes fun of the principle. If it's good in Audio, it must be good in HT because the system is (perfectly) matched not just because it's good in Audio  ??? So newbies, don't just consider your usage (HT/audio), but consider your other equipments as well. Sorry ha, medyo pinaikot-ikot ko pa :)

Cheers!!!
Compaq

I must say I have been a victim as well of this so so HT audio usage. But I do recognize that this is still a democratic forums where we all can throw both our good ideas as well as garbage. And the reader is left to himself to filter which one is hot air, and which one is reasonable or of substance.

Also, it amuses me people kept changing gears, sometimes not really for the better but because some wind of loosely evaluated equipment or buying principles was flown in the air and hyped to a level to let the vulnerables succumb and buy a gear, only to sell it back again with disappointment. Going in circles. But perhaps, this is part of the economics game, as in war, where some are caught in the cross fire!  ;D

Ito siguro huling CASE hirit ko:  ;)

My brother knew I am trying to sell my Yamaha 630 na because I am not happy with it, he heard it as well.
But I hold on to it to make it just a utility amp na lang.
But I come across a speaker and hook it to my 630. So good that I invited my brother to listen again.
He said "biglang ganda Yamaha (full audio spectrum) mo ngayon ah!" and I can readily agree!  ;)
But could it be yamaha becoming better? of course not! it is the speaker I have changed! Is it the speaker then? I would say it is the synergy of the two rather than any one of them.
And we all concluded it is really system matching.

Actually, my best fun is in building a system that will cost a lot lot less. My wharfs is happily matched with a diff amp now - hi end sound at cheap price.

So newbies, beware what kind of recommendation you are getting.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: levi on Mar 23, 2005 at 01:29 PM
Levi,

This is again relative.

Not all audiophile start with an amp in system building.

I may be biased to say majority - but for consideration - a certain bulk of audiophile start with the speakers, not with the amp. You might belong to the other bulk that start with the amp.

Another thing is that the budget you spend in the chain. Again, the vast users put the bigger budget to the speaker, then the source, then the amp. You as an artist can also alter this sequence - no absolute here but just mention of some specific sequence of budget.

For others, the wire plays a big component in the sound for them to ultimately says it is a night and day difference.

So, depending on your inclination, and depending on which camp your are most influenced with, you tend to follow their practice. So you can always hit one of the chain as the culprit - nobody stopping you there. But to hit that specific equipment is again not an absolute, but rather, your creativity in trying to play the art of system building.

again, a MUSICAL speaker is relative. a MUSICAL receiver is relative. a MUSICAL cable ??? is relatve. The best review of AVR is the one that lists all the components in the chain for it to be meaningful. and for reviews to be useful and applicable to you is if you follow the whole chain used in the assessment. Varying such makes the reviews of no use at all but a reference for a certain synergy setup - nothing more.

It is always a joy to read amp brochure. In the course of reading, I always high light what is a sales pitch for the receiver - the marketing guys polishing the advertisement.

Why do we practice system matching? Just to make sure our whole system setup (the whole chain) will not sound crap. And this is regarless of price point and regardless of our system building inclination. And having the best speaker, or the best musical receiver (for whatever standard you set and relative to what) as you wished is not a guarantee of musical reproduction.

This is my indulgence and my 1 peso! ;D

I think that you are referring to what if I have an existing equipment whether its an amp,speaker,source etc. I can make it whatever I want if I will choose the other equipment Im going to purchase. Im saying what if its my first time buy from scratch, then I mighat as well start with what I want not necessarily starting with the AVR. I had three receivers and two sets of speakers for my HT and they sound differently. Each has its own pros and cons and as much as I would like to avoid changing I cant get the sound that I want.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: aHobbit on Mar 23, 2005 at 01:47 PM
I think that you are referring to what if I have an existing equipment whether its an amp,speaker,source etc. I can make it whatever I want if I will choose the other equipment Im going to purchase. Im saying what if its my first time buy from scratch, then I mighat as well start with what I want not necessarily starting with the AVR. I had three receivers and two sets of speakers for my HT and they sound differently. Each has its own pros and cons and as much as I would like to avoid changing I cant get the sound that I want.

 ;D

No, I do not refer to any stage of buying spree.  ;)

I only triend to explain how in the world can one say a whopping statement like a receiver is more MUSICAL than the other - e.g. YAMAHA is less musical than what have you! - without establishing a (constant) parameter in the chain of music-reproducing setup.  8)

HAPPY HOLIDAY  :D
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: levi on Mar 23, 2005 at 02:15 PM
Because that is what they experienced. They are just sharing and anything from the forum must be taken as a grain of salt. If you think that your Yamaha is musical then enjoy it. My first receiver was a Yamaha then a Denon then an HK. Comparing them gave me different results.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: av_phile1 on Mar 23, 2005 at 04:03 PM
I often wonder what is meant by "musical" as understood more commonly by members here. 
Perhaps someone can define more authoritatvely what is "musical" and what is not. 

I often go into the recommendation of saying this or that gear is more "musical."  But my interpretation of the word "musical" is just EUPHONIC and LESS FATIGUING over long listening exposures - a playback character that is needed when listening to music whose rhythmic and melodic textures can extend over sustained periods of time.  Nothing of that is needed with movie dialogue or special efx or hushed and intermittent background music.   Coloured or inaccurate gears can also be euphonic and thus be"musical" to some.   

Listening fatigue is generally caused by harmonic distortion products, especially odd-ordered.  Also non-harmonic distortion products like crossover distortions evident at low volumes in some professional gears can cause listening fatigue.  (You wonder why orchestral musicians don't experience listening fatigue even after 8 straight hours of rehearsals?  That's because unamplified accoustic musical intruments don't have THDs.   ;D  OTH, rock and pop band musicians using synthesizers and electronic instruments experience listening fatigues, because their gears have lots of THDs.) 

So if that's my understanding of the word "Musical,"  I would say the some gears with sufficient current abilities and such miniscule distortion products can be considered "musical" because they provide less fatiguing listening hours.  OTH, some gears are not as musical, because, at the same output level, they can be dishing out more distortions that result in more listening fatigue.   (Tubes that add even ordered THDs that make the fundamentals more euphonic can be considered "musical" by some. )

HTs are more forgiving of distortion than music.  (Theater professional amps are known to have THDs in the order of 10%.)  So a home receiver that has higher distortion products would be fine with HT but can be totally unlistenable in music at long stretches.  The human sensory faculties are apparently divided with the visuals in HT so the immediacy of THDs in the audio is not as apparent as when listening entirely on music.  (In the same way that HT set-ups can be forgiving of BOSE satellites, but would totally fail in music. )

Actually, at the end of the day, you do not need to have a hi-fi set-up in HT. But you can't do without one in music playback.  So I would think that a receiver or amp can be  called"musical" if it comes closer to hi-fidelity objectives.  A receiver that is meant for HT need not be.  In other words, an HT gear need not be "musical."  But would benefit a lot from being one.   Just my thoughts.

 
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: aHobbit on Mar 23, 2005 at 04:08 PM
Because that is what they experienced. They are just sharing and anything from the forum must be taken as a grain of salt. If you think that your Yamaha is musical then enjoy it. My first receiver was a Yamaha then a Denon then an HK. Comparing them gave me different results.

I dont think they experienced receiver's musicality without the speaker et.al.  ;)

I dont argue with anybody's experience. I think it is only prudent on their part if their intent is to really provide correct info to those honestly asking them (i think, of accurate info) in this forum, for them to share the complete equation as to provide substance for such recommendation. Just my concern to the uninitiated.  ::)

Maybe, I am still naive!  ;D
I am still thinking whether I will agree with you that anything in this forum MUST be taken as a grain of salt.  ???  
For not all posts were totally useless, but enlgihtening!
On second thought, I may already probably did on majority of posts!  ;D

Anyway, this week is for fish  ;D
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: aHobbit on Mar 23, 2005 at 04:15 PM

Actually, at the end of the day, you do not need to have a hi-fi set-up in HT. In other words, an HT gear need not be "musical." 
 

The end of the current argument is the beginning of a new one!  ;D
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: levi on Mar 23, 2005 at 08:43 PM
I dont think they experienced receiver's musicality without the speaker et.al.  ;)

I dont argue with anybody's experience. I think it is only prudent on their part if their intent is to really provide correct info to those honestly asking them (i think, of accurate info) in this forum, for them to share the complete equation as to provide substance for such recommendation. Just my concern to the uninitiated.  ::)

Maybe, I am still naive!  ;D
I am still thinking whether I will agree with you that anything in this forum MUST be taken as a grain of salt.  ??? 
For not all posts were totally useless, but enlgihtening!
On second thought, I may already probably did on majority of posts!  ;D

Anyway, this week is for fish  ;D
I dont think they experienced receiver's musicality without the speaker et.al.  ;)

I dont argue with anybody's experience. I think it is only prudent on their part if their intent is to really provide correct info to those honestly asking them (i think, of accurate info) in this forum, for them to share the complete equation as to provide substance for such recommendation. Just my concern to the uninitiated.  ::)

Maybe, I am still naive!  ;D
I am still thinking whether I will agree with you that anything in this forum MUST be taken as a grain of salt.  ??? 
For not all posts were totally useless, but enlgihtening!
On second thought, I may already probably did on majority of posts!  ;D

Anyway, this week is for fish  ;D

Im not saying the posts are useless but its not the final thing. The only thing the reader can do is to audition and choose what he wants.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: migs26 on May 03, 2005 at 06:34 AM
I auditioned both Yamaha 650 and HK 230 @ Spectra.
I asked for Spectra guy's opinion on 2 AVRs, and he is pushing for HK.

After auditioning both AVRs, mukha nga may katwiran ung tao...mukha mas may clarity ung efects sa HK....pero I also hear a lot of commendations sa Yamaha specially if your into HT like me..

For those who have auditioned both units.. which unit will you prefer?

Yamaha 650 or HK 230 ?
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: bumblebee on May 03, 2005 at 06:51 AM
hk 130 ako. cheaper than the two and not much difference in power.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: migs26 on May 03, 2005 at 03:47 PM
hk 130 ako. cheaper than the two and not much difference in power.

sayang ung 230 kc futureproof na...may pre-out inputs..tapos 6.1 na..
marami pang features..
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Maestro on May 03, 2005 at 03:57 PM
makikigulo lang po...

yan din po pinagpipilian ko dati...I ended up with Marantz SR4500...7.1 na sya, futureproof na din kasi may 7.1 pre-outs na din.... and cheaper than HK230, Yam 650 at P17,500.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: mcbry on May 04, 2005 at 07:35 AM
i'll go for hk230... mas conservative ang power rating ng hk... if you want a 7.1 set-up meron din bago ang hk which is the hk235... pero i'm not sure if available na ito sa atin ngayon... hk330 nasa 29T...  :)
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: bumblebee on May 04, 2005 at 08:07 AM
sayang ung 230 kc futureproof na...may pre-out inputs..tapos 6.1 na..
marami pang features..

how soon is this 'future'? how soon before you get seperate power amps? and the standard is still 5.1 ;)

if you'll get power amps in the near future, then the marantz sr4500 is your best bet.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: keema on May 04, 2005 at 08:26 AM
anong ibig sabihin ng future proof? para san yung pre outs?
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: mcbry on May 04, 2005 at 08:34 AM
what they mean siguro na compatible parin yung receiver for future upgrade.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: av_phile1 on May 04, 2005 at 10:34 AM
anong ibig sabihin ng future proof? para san yung pre outs?

Those pre-outs allow you to use more powerful or better power amps.  Many afficionados upgrade in this direction - using their receivers with  5-channel pre-outs as their preamps mated to 5-channel power amps or 5 monoblocks.   This feature is one way to future-proof a receiver.  Unfortuantely I notice that only the mid-priced and flagship models have preouts, except perhaps Marantz.  Most entry levels and budget models don't.  They're essentially throwaways when you tire with them.

Future proofing is often a gamble.  It means investing on a gear that won't become useless within the near term, say 2 years.  I think all new receivers can decode all the known audio formats (dbIIx, dts neo, db-ex, etc.) as well us upconvert video signals to 1080i or 720p.  That essentially should make the receiver usefull until the next enhancements come along, like height channels, 8th and 9th channels(yamaha flagships already have this), new formats like SDDS, HD-DVD, HD-DTS, etc. And almost all new receiver models sport 7.1 channels, in anticipation that the sources will eventually  go 7.1.    While there are still few or no DVDs encoded in 7.1, these new receivers can matrix a 5.1 into 7.1, so all the channels can be used.  You would need DVD players that have 7.1 outs as well.  Some models even have the facility for firmware upgrades that allow you to upload via a CD-R some new formats or processing algorhythm.

The best future proofing still lies in the use of separates.  Separate processors, preamps and power amps ensure that you only need to upgrade the component when needed.  Power amps can last a lifetime.  So do line stage passive or unity gain preamps.  Processors are often the first to be obsolete.  So you only upgrade that component.  Admittedly, separates cost as much as or more than many mid-priced receivers. 

For future-proofing purposes, the best value is often to get a good mid-priced receiver with preouts and terminals for firmware upgrade or enternal processors.  Many receivers with preouts also make for excellent processor/preamps when mated with better power amps.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: aHobbit on May 05, 2005 at 11:49 AM

For future-proofing purposes, the best value is often to get a good mid-priced receiver with preouts and terminals for firmware upgrade or enternal processors.  Many receivers with preouts also make for excellent processor/preamps when mated with better power amps.

I would tend to think the reverse is true. Get a good receiver with 7.1 input (if you think the future is 7.1  :P), even without terminals with firmware upgrade (which becomes useless or not used at all) to avoid that hyped cost of such feature. The 7.1 pre-outs not necessary especially if you have good receiver amps.

Your future upgrade is just the player which should incorporates the new format decoding and 7.1 analog outputs.

As to the future,  ;), Yamaha initiated a new tech that incorporates 42 amplifiers!  :o BUT with different topology.  :)

Sometimes, I really am amazed how a hyped 7-ch became THE FUTURE! I am more apt to think some people were just bitten with marketing gimmickries.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: cherubrock on May 16, 2005 at 03:06 AM
HT newbie in need of advice...  ;D

Am planning to upgrade my setup soon and after doing research and price comparisons, I've ended up with two choices: a Yamaha V450 (or its equivalent, a Yamaha HTR-5740) or a Harman/Kardon AVR-135. Either one will be my first separate receiver, if ever (having always bought mini-compos and HTIBs) so I might not be as discriminating (yet) as the true-blue audiophiles here. Due to budgetary constraints, I might not be able to go higher than this price range. I usually only play at moderate volumes but from time to time enjoy cranking it up. I'd say the usage ratio would be 60-40, HT-audio.

I'm planning to mate them with Diamond 8s or if the budget permits, Diamond 9s.  ;)

Nakakahawa kasi ang forum na 'to!  :D

Any input would be greatly appreciated, thanks!  ;D
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: shuttertrigger on May 16, 2005 at 07:34 AM
sir cherubrock, HK and wharfs is a good combination. Considering HK are high current amp and Wharfs are hard to drive speaker kaya ok ang matching nila. And based on most of the posts here, this combination are indeed perfect match thats why im also saving money for wharfs 9.2 or 9.5. ::) Just my two cents  ::) Btw, i own HK AVR 2000.. Goodluck on your hunt sir!  ;D
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: cherubrock on May 17, 2005 at 01:13 AM
Thanks cire2004, medyo influenced nga ang decision ko from what I've been reading from the different threads here. Good luck on your Diamond 9s sir! Just seeing them at Spectra made me drool!  :o

I'm also adding the Onkyo TX-SR502B to the mix, having read pretty good reviews about it as well.  ;D
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: mcbry on May 17, 2005 at 05:37 PM
audition na bro cherubrock.  i think spectra carry all the receivers you've mentioned.  it's still best to audition so that you yourself can decide which best receiver fits your preference.

btw, if given the choice i'll go for hk avr135.  i'm just a satisfied hk owner.  ;D

enjoy.
 :)
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: shuttertrigger on May 17, 2005 at 06:48 PM
sir cherubrock, mcbry is correct.. audition lang ng audition..kung ok sa pandinig mo, go for it..besides, ikaw din naman makikinig nyan eh..minsan kasi mas lalu mahirap mag-decide pag marami pagpipilian eh ::) kaya ako nung in-audition ko yung HK kinuha ko na agad  ;) balitaan mo kami dito ha kung ano nakuha mo.. ;D
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: DVD-KiD! on May 18, 2005 at 02:58 AM
I'm still eyeing for HK AVR 330 kaya lang karamihan sa mga napuntahan ko ay out of stock na daw!
so im thinking of buying a Denon AVR 2105 receivers instead.. sa tingin ninyo guyz, which one is better HK or Denon? thanks in advance!
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: bumblebee on May 18, 2005 at 10:24 AM
I'm still eyeing for HK AVR 330 kaya lang karamihan sa mga napuntahan ko ay out of stock na daw!
so im thinking of buying a Denon AVR 2105 receivers instead.. sa tingin ninyo guyz, which one is better HK or Denon? thanks in advance!

the hk x35s are out. you may want to wait for them. hk's are often associated w/ power. the denons w/ bells and whistles.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: cherubrock on May 18, 2005 at 07:11 PM
Thanks for the replies. actually, takot lang ako mag-audition kasi the last time I did so napabili agad ako on the spot!  ;D Mukhang solid ang fan base ng HK a... anyone for the Yamaha or the Onkyo?  :)
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: DVD-KiD! on May 19, 2005 at 12:09 AM
the hk x35s are out. you may want to wait for them. hk's are often associated w/ power. the denons w/ bells and whistles.

thanks again bro! bibili na sana ako mamaya ng Denon AVR buti nalang binasa ko post mo! and will wait for the HK AVR 335 to arrive from store shelves.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: bumblebee on May 19, 2005 at 08:26 AM
Thanks for the replies. actually, takot lang ako mag-audition kasi the last time I did so napabili agad ako on the spot!  ;D Mukhang solid ang fan base ng HK a... anyone for the Yamaha or the Onkyo?  :)

commercial reviews almost always favor yamaha receivers over ones from hk and company (excluding denon). from what i've googled, at least.
Title: RX-V750
Post by: audioworld on May 19, 2005 at 09:30 AM
RX-V750 Titanium color Highly rated P 25,000
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: mcbry on May 19, 2005 at 03:58 PM
thanks again bro! bibili na sana ako mamaya ng Denon AVR buti nalang binasa ko post mo! and will wait for the HK AVR 335 to arrive from store shelves.

try to visit architectural audio at greenbelt 1, bro.  they carry hk receivers and i assure you they can offer you the best price.

enjoy.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: lazeeb0y on May 19, 2005 at 08:48 PM
better to audition before buying. sometimes it may sound good to others, but for you it's "tunog-lata".

i'm currently using an onkyo TX-SR502. i'd rate it above average for both movies and music.  :)
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: DVD-KiD! on May 21, 2005 at 03:10 AM
try to visit architectural audio at greenbelt 1, bro.  they carry hk receivers and i assure you they can offer you the best price.

enjoy.

thanks for the tip sir!
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: gearhead on Jun 05, 2005 at 09:36 AM
a vote for the marantz sr4500 here. 5th avenue says that they will be increasing prices probably by next month. so if those on the lookout for a budget receiver is anywhere near park square.... go and audition the marantz, probably with the gale 3030/3040 at 5th avenue, and the H/K with the wharfs at nearby spectra. anyway, both are very accomodating naman, so don't be shy!

p.s. - as what sir avphile have said.... in auditioning, bring CD's that you're familiar with and use that in auditioning - more than some fave dvd concert/movie. i had it the other way around at first... and so have to reaudition the whole lot when i noticed some aberrations in music/ musicality in systems i have felt was good enough to use for dvd's.
Title: onkyo, yamaha, hk etc... what to look for when buying a receiver
Post by: archer on Jul 14, 2005 at 04:44 PM
what things should be considered when buying a receiver? 
Title: Re: onkyo, yamaha, hk etc... what to look for when buying a receiver
Post by: av_phile1 on Jul 14, 2005 at 05:42 PM
1   Power Output: 

Don't take in the power rating hype hook, line and stinker.  A brand can advertize 100watts per channel for a total of 700watts in a 7.1 receivers.  Firstly check if its in RMS, anything else is meaningless. Forget about PMPO ratings.   Check that it's rated from 20hz to 20khz at less than 0.05% THD.  Most are rated at only 1khz, thus inflating the power number.  And check if it's rated just in stereo or with ALL Channels Driven.  Rating the reciever with only one channel driven is another way of bloating the numbers.

As a quick check, see the electric power consumption at the back as this will surely bellie or confrim the advertised power.  Rule:  You can't give out more audio power than what you took in in terms of electric power.  There's usually a 1.5x to 2x factor to take care of power losses due to heat dissipation.  Hence a receiver touted to deliver 700 watts RMS cumulatively for all channels should have an electric power consumption of at least 1000 watts or 1 KVA.   You'd be amazed many receivers saying 700watts total power output only consume 500 watts of electric power.


2.   Multichannel PRE-OUT .

This will allow you to feed any multichannel power amplifier should you decide in the future to upgrade to a power higher than what your receiver can deliver or with better sonic traits. Your receiver then becomes a preamp/processor and you enter the world of true separates.  There's rarely any entry-level receiver that has this, so that the receiver becomes a throw-away after you realize you needed more power or better sonics. 

3.   Multiple Component Video Input

In addition to multiple Composite and S-video, this facility allows you to use more than one DVD player with component or progressive scan feature.  THis is fast becoming a standard in many receivers.

4.   Multiple Mutichannel Analog Input

I am not sure if this has catched on.  I certainly would want to see at least two sets of multichannel input to accept a separate DVD-Audio player and an SACD player.

5.   ALL Audio Format Processing

At this stage of HT technology, all the audio formats known to man should be decoded - DD, DTS, DTS-neo, DD-EX, DTS-ES, DTX 96/24, Prologic, Prologic II, Prologic IIx, Stereo, 5, 6, 7-channel stereo, HDCD, etc.

6.   Digital Bypass or Stereo Direct

For pure analog stereo enthusiast, this is a must.  Bypassing the digital processing circuits, a bypass swtch allows you to listen directly to the analog out of a CD player or other analog sources.

7    Video Switching Bypass

This facility, in tandem with the Digital Bypass or Stereo Direct, disengages the video swtiching circuitry to preclude any video related noise from mixing with the pure but vulnerable analog signals.

8   Speaker Impedance Selection Switch

Often found at the back of a receiver, this is something I personally would not want to see in a receiver of my choice.  It suggests that the amplifier is not a high current design so that a current dividing network is necessary so that all speakers look like 8 ohms to the amp.  A good amp in a receiver should be able to handle 4 ohms to 8 ohms without this switch.

9    Detachable Power Chord

THis is more a convenience feature when setting up in a rack.  Also, if you believe those nonsense about using exotic power cables, then this feature would be nice. 

10    Multiple or Variable Sub crossover points

Nice to have for thse situations where integration between subs and mains can be difficult in your particular room conditions.

11   SACD Bass Management

Since most entry-level SACD players don't have this, the receiver should have one.

12    Video Resolution Upscaling and Video Input Upscaling

Nice for the receiver to take S-video input and upscale it to progressive level quality.  Also many mid-priced receiver offer the facility to upscale DVD standard 480i to something higher in the component connection, presummably your display can handle it.

13   192/24 bit Audio DAC

I think this is fairly common even in entry level receivers.

14    Parametric Equalization Room Compensation.

Many mid-priced receivers have the facility to connect a microphone and allow room equaliztion to compensate for nonlinear room accoustics.  This is helpful to fine tune the sonics in rooms with already exquisite accoustics but is next to useless in rooms that have lousy accoustics to begin with.

15  After Sales Support

Warranties,  at least 2 years labor and parts.

16   Programmable/Learning Remote

I think this is also standard in many receivers.   The better ones have LCD displays and illuminated keypads.  A learning remote allows you to minimize all those remotes for TV, Player, VCR, DVD player and use just one remote for all.


17   Ergonnomics and Weight

Ergonomics is more a subjective thing.   I still prefer black and simple neat lines.

Weight can also reveal the power handling abilities of a receiver, the heavier, the larger the transformer, it is safe to conclude the reciever has better power handling.  Exception is in the use of torroidal transformers as they reduce the weight for the same power rating. 


There are many more but so far these are top on my mind at the moment.  Happy shopping.
Title: Re: onkyo, yamaha, hk etc... what to look for when buying a receiver
Post by: fnvillafuerte on Jul 14, 2005 at 06:11 PM
VERY NICE TIPS HERE!  Thanks, man!

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Title: Re: onkyo, yamaha, hk etc... what to look for when buying a receiver
Post by: av_phile1 on Jul 15, 2005 at 09:58 AM
Here are a few more which may only be found in the more expensive line up:

1   THX and/or THX Ultra 2l Logo

This is an indication that the receiver has passed  the standards for  THX home theater specification.   More of a marketing tool that ups the price, this feature is not necessary for home theater enjoynment.  IMHO, it's a comfort tool to give you the confidence you are experiencing THX levels at home. 

2  D-link or I-link or Firewire or HDMI or DVI terminals or any combination

I won't go into the details of these terminals as I think a separate thread somewhere handles each quite extensively.  You can also google search each of them.  Suffice it to say that many mid-priced and flagship receivers incorporate some of these features that would allow TRUE digital to digital interacing between digital sources, TV displays and receivers that are similarly terminated.

3   Multi Room/Zone features

This feature allows you to have different sources play in different rooms.  I personally don't find this feature useful for me.

4   Discrete DAC per channel

Getting to be common in mid-priced receivers.

5   DSP Sound Processing

Often gimmickry and artificial, these feature can make mono or stereo recordings sound enveloping in a quasi surround setting. Though some brand's proprietary DSP setting can sound good.  This is standard in any HT receivers and the sound modes vary among different makes.

6   Adjustable Delay Compensation and Volume per channel

This is very important if your speakers cannot be located equidistant to your listening position.  This feature allows you to vary each channel's signal delivery so that your ears receive the signals from each channel at the same time regardless of their respective path lengths from your easy chair.  IT makes for a better surround sound delivery the way the sound was mixed.

7   5-way Banana-Type Speaker Terminals

None of those Spring-type terminals. 

8  Gold Plated terminals

For RCA  terminals or balanced XLR terminals.  Gold makes for excellent contact points as they are less prone to oxidation that can degrade contact and add resistance.



Title: Re: onkyo, yamaha, hk etc... what to look for when buying a receiver
Post by: Oloap on Jul 18, 2005 at 09:44 PM
Nice tips AV.  Personally, what receiver do you use? :)
Title: Re: onkyo, yamaha, hk etc... what to look for when buying a receiver
Post by: archer on Jul 19, 2005 at 03:49 PM
thanks av... its a great help
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: losi_phile on Jul 22, 2005 at 05:34 PM
3 Budget Receivers Compared...read on...

http://www.soundandvisionmag.com/article.asp?section_id=3&article_id=848&page_number=1

The Lab Tests...

http://www.soundandvisionmag.com/article.asp?section_id=3&article_id=844&page_number=1

Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: aHobbit on Jul 22, 2005 at 07:09 PM
3 Budget Receivers Compared...read on...

http://www.soundandvisionmag.com/article.asp?section_id=3&article_id=848&page_number=1

The Lab Tests...

http://www.soundandvisionmag.com/article.asp?section_id=3&article_id=844&page_number=1



As usual, cheap price is not cheap performance in audio world - you will know price by slashing your pocket and you will know performance by listening - the good ol' pioneer still kicks butts  ;D

Hey, did I miss the speaker that was used?  ???

Or else the above review is as useful as useless!  ::)
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers, HK vs Yamaha
Post by: MAtZTER on Aug 11, 2005 at 10:36 AM
I just keep  wondering, What is the power equivalent of the 75w @ 20hz of the conservatively rated AVR630/635, compared to the Yamaha RX V2500 130w @ 1hz?

Is the HK more powerful?
Due to its high current design? (what is this, anyway?)
Or "all channels driven" thing?

I am choosing between the 2 kasi :)

Which is better?

Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: bumblebee on Aug 11, 2005 at 10:51 AM
I just keep  wondering, What is the power equivalent of the 75w @ 20hz of the conservatively rated AVR630/635, compared to the Yamaha RX V2500 130w @ 1hz?

Is the HK more powerful?
Due to its high current design? (what is this, anyway?)
Or "all channels driven" thing?

I am choosing between the 2 kasi :)

Which is better?



Max power consumptions:
HK 630 : 1000 W
Yamaha Rx-V1500 : 500 W
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers HK vs Yamaha
Post by: MAtZTER on Aug 11, 2005 at 10:56 AM
LOL :D, I need a separate 1000w Automatic Voltage Regulator for the AVR630!

Ok, I guess, HK na lang nga.

I know Yamaha has a lot of bells and whistles but after using 2 Yamahas (450 & 650), I realized that I only pull these bells and whistles when the unit is new. But after awhile I usually press only 2 or 3 buttons and hardly ever go back to those bells & whistles that once caught my attention and made me buy the Yamaha.

Presence channels, speaker B, I think are impractical (buy 4 more speakers? gee!) and I dont use em either.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: bumblebee on Aug 11, 2005 at 11:04 AM
Max power consumptions:
HK 630 : 1000 W
Yamaha Rx-V1500 : 500 W

Come to think of it, HK's just 3dB louder in 7-channel stereo :P
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: aHobbit on Aug 11, 2005 at 12:14 PM
Both HK and Yamaha are already claiming high current design!  :P
HK marketing drumbeat is "all channel driven"
Yamaha marketing drumbeat is its "unique DSP"

Power-wise, it is HK!  ;)

but is it at all that much HK 1000W vs Yamaha 500W? You may say HK is 100% more powerful (yes on the numbers)! But the figure only shows HK is only 30% louder than Yamaha.  :D  The only fact I can correlate 100% of HK is in power consumption!  ;D I am also doubtful if your ear can tolerate 500W sound power of Yamaha, how much more of HK's 1000W (driving 5-9 speakers! notwithstanding you might also have sub joining in the fun)!  :P

Of course, this is all subjectivity - But also shows how much applicable knowledge of audio got really sunk in to oneself.

How about a 2000W amp? It is not even twice as loud as Yamaha's - just 60% louder only! A much better choice?  ??? At 2000W?  :P 
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers - Yamaha vs HK
Post by: MAtZTER on Aug 12, 2005 at 11:00 AM
Max power consumptions:
HK 630 : 1000 W
Yamaha Rx-V1500 : 500 W

Bro, mali.

The back panel says 1100w! grabe, lol :D, buti di nag alarm ng overload yung 1000v voltage regulator ko!

Just got it last night and it was d**n HEAVY!! Looks so cool though, specially the aluminum remote.

It also came with an Encyclopedia, AY este! manual pala that is as big as an encyclopedia.

Tested it last night (audio) with Monitor Audio Silver 6, I havent connected it to my Missions yet (will try that soon). Very nice sound! BUT I have to agree with what was written in many of the posts. The Yamaha X50 series has significant improvement with regards to audio because, as of last night (no tweaks yet, out of the box), the difference between the HK and the last Yammy 650 I was using was not that big IMHO.

Yes, the HK sounds better , but it wasnt night and day difference. And thats coming from a former Yamaha RXV450 - 650 user. I still dont know how the  Yamaha 1500 and the 2500 (uses a different chipset daw) will sound versus its counterpart HK430 and 630. I agree with aHobbit, more power nga but the difference wont be that huge.

On another note, my friend didnt like the sound of his RXV1300's audio with his Dynaudio A72's but he heard a significant improvement when he switched to HK 635. I think maybe this is because the HK is well suited for the power hungry (as dealers label them) speakers like Dyns and B&W.

As for bells and whistles, wala nga masyado, but its ok, I seldom use the Yamaha's bells & whistles anyway.

Anyway, just my 2 cents. Pls take note that I am no audiophile and my ears are pretty amateur :D, so dont  take my views too seriously . And I havent tweaked the HK yet.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: synchro_01 on Aug 12, 2005 at 11:13 AM

On another note, my friend didnt like the sound of his RXV1300's audio with his Dynaudio A72's but he heard a significant improvement when he switched to HK 635. I think maybe this is because the HK is well suited for the power hungry (as dealers label them) speakers like Dyns and B&W.

yup...from experience those speakers really need a lot of watts to sing. congrats on your AVR  purchase bro.  good choice on the HK.  high current amps rock!  :)
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: bumblebee on Aug 12, 2005 at 11:24 AM
Yes, the HK sounds better , but it wasnt night and day difference. And thats coming from a former Yamaha RXV450 - 650 user. I still dont know how the  Yamaha 1500 and the 2500 (uses a different chipset daw) will sound versus its counterpart HK430 and 630. I agree with aHobbit, more power nga but the difference wont be that huge.

Yamaha and Denon seem to be very "at it" w/ their new receivers, no?
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers - Yamaha vs. HK
Post by: MAtZTER on Aug 12, 2005 at 11:37 AM
Yamaha and Denon seem to be very "at it" w/ their new receivers, no?

Of course, they have to.  Or their competitors will eat em alive.   8)

I read at audioholics that Yamaha is really exerting big efforts in improving their new lines and they are  praising Yamaha for their noticeable improvements.

Quote
yup...from experience those speakers really need a lot of watts to sing. congrats on your AVR  purchase bro.  good choice on the HK.  high current amps rock! 


Thanks bro! After seeing the 1100w consumption, I suddenly feel a bit concerned about our electricity bill  :D
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers - Yamaha vs. HK
Post by: aHobbit on Aug 12, 2005 at 05:46 PM
Of course, they have to.  Or their competitors will eat em alive.   8)


Baka one of these days, NAD and HK intl will merge!  ;D

Technology is not really hard to implement for Yamaha - but their cost management is driving too much pressures on the competitors!
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: rebelsage on Aug 14, 2005 at 10:27 AM
I just keep  wondering, What is the power equivalent of the 75w @ 20hz of the conservatively rated AVR630/635, compared to the Yamaha RX V2500 130w @ 1hz?

i'm no engineer but i recall comparing output ratings on an rms basis rather than in 1 frequency (20hz & 1hz based on your post?)  many have cited, in comments and reviews, that h/k is conservatively rated, while the yamahas and onkyos are overrated (marantz and denon are probably as rated imo).
Title: harman kardon avr235 vs marantz 4500
Post by: har on Aug 14, 2005 at 11:49 PM
im considering the two avrs for my home theatre. which of the two would you recommend. whats the good and bad sides?
Title: Re: harman kardon avr235 vs marantz 4500
Post by: doughn on Aug 15, 2005 at 11:36 AM
audition both with same set of speakers ;)
Title: Re: harman kardon avr235 vs marantz 4500
Post by: bumblebee on Aug 15, 2005 at 11:48 AM
im considering the two avrs for my home theatre. which of the two would you recommend. whats the good and bad sides?

If you're really choosing between the 2, SR4500 ako. Why? Almost 14k difference e ;D
Title: Re: harman kardon avr235 vs marantz 4500
Post by: aHobbit on Aug 15, 2005 at 12:37 PM
im considering the two avrs for my home theatre. which of the two would you recommend. whats the good and bad sides?

straight answer derived from bumblebee@  ::)

Good side of 4500 - savings of 14K pus 6K, get a branded sub!  :o
Bad side of AVR235 - more money to pay, plus more money for others things to buy!  ;D
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: aHobbit on Aug 15, 2005 at 12:51 PM
I think rating issues have been discussed in one of the threads here. the consumer audio industry have diff rating standards, depending on which region you are operating. So, talking "conservatively" need s further qualification of the word.

Again, only those who can read the complete spec sheet understand what those rating is all about.

My thoughts: AVR630/635 has power of 75W @ 20Hz. Wow!  :o . What's that for?  ??? . Any boutique speaker to use the power for?  ;D

How about my surplus amp - heavy metal that is - freq response: DC-30khz, 120W x 2 into 4 ohms?  :o Good for powering up a passive subwoofer!  ;D
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers - Yamaha vs HK
Post by: MAtZTER on Aug 15, 2005 at 02:53 PM

Tested it last night (audio) with Monitor Audio Silver 6, I havent connected it to my Missions yet (will try that soon). Very nice sound! BUT I have to agree with what was written in many of the posts. The Yamaha X50 series has significant improvement with regards to audio because, as of last night (no tweaks yet, out of the box), the difference between the HK and the last Yammy 650 I was using was not that big IMHO.

Yes, the HK sounds better , but it wasnt night and day difference. And thats coming from a former Yamaha RXV450 - 650 user. I still dont know how the  Yamaha 1500 and the 2500 (uses a different chipset daw) will sound versus its counterpart HK430 and 630.

I connected the Mission floorstanders over the weekend to the HK AVR630 and one of the first things I noticed was the awesome improvement of BASS. Bumblebee was able to show an explanation as to why here (http://pinoydvd.com/board/index.php?topic=39506.msg481529#msg481529), as compared to Yamaha that is.

But I feel that the HK kinda lacks the details I heard from my previous Yamaha though. Maybe I just need to tweak it a bit, still havent done the EZset thing. Or maybe I have to use a different wire to enhance the HF in biwiring (using Ixos 6006 for the LF now). Or maybe its because the HK is "warm" that I dont hear the details of my "bright" Yamaha. Or maybe I may actually prefer "bright" for listening purposes.
Title: Re: harman kardon avr235 vs marantz 4500
Post by: har on Aug 15, 2005 at 08:43 PM
aside from being cheaper. any more comments? what receiver are you using?
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: kt on Aug 22, 2005 at 12:01 PM
guys help naman im choosing between Marantz 4500 & Denon 1705 (or ano ba kalevel ng 4500?). wc wud be good for 60/40 in favor of audio? may differences pa ba sa pag match ng speakers to?

and wat speakers wud match these? im lookoing at the wharfes 9.4 (fronts), 9cs (center), 9dfs (surround). OR yung Gale 3030 (fronts), 3050c (center), 3060 (surround). i also checked the MS 904, 905c, & ms906 surround...kaso medyo mahal na sya....TIA ???
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers - Yamaha vs HK
Post by: MAtZTER on Aug 22, 2005 at 04:11 PM
But I feel that the HK kinda lacks the details I heard from my previous Yamaha though. Maybe I just need to tweak it a bit, still havent done the EZset thing. Or maybe I have to use a different wire to enhance the HF in biwiring (using Ixos 6006 for the LF now). Or maybe its because the HK is "warm" that I dont hear the details of my "bright" Yamaha. Or maybe I may actually prefer "bright" for listening purposes.

Gee , I found out that I just forgot to tweak the delay distance. It was all set to 3.8 meters and I was only like 2 meters away from the speakers.

Now the HK sounds so good, specially for audio. I have never heard my speakers sing like that before.

Even my M72 bookshelf speakers sounded big. I didnt sound like that on my Yamaha months ago. And the detail on the M72 was also astounding.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: kt on Aug 22, 2005 at 05:15 PM
guys help naman...im choosing between the marantz4500 and denon1705...
wc 1s better considering im into 60/40 more on audio n just a small rum? speakers of choice either wharfes 9.4, 9cs & 9dfs or gales, or any under 20t sana...tnx!
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: H a n $ on Aug 22, 2005 at 05:38 PM
guys help naman...im choosing between the marantz4500 and denon1705...
wc 1s better considering im into 60/40 more on audio n just a small rum? speakers of choice either wharfes 9.4, 9cs & 9dfs or gales, or any under 20t sana...tnx!

Bro get HK for all around performer try mo yun old models like the 2550 & 3550 kung meron pa.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers - Yamaha vs HK
Post by: czedryk on Aug 22, 2005 at 06:01 PM
Gee , I found out that I just forgot to tweak the delay distance. It was all set to 3.8 meters and I was only like 2 meters away from the speakers.

Now the HK sounds so good, specially for audio. I have never heard my speakers sing like that before.

Even my M72 bookshelf speakers sounded big. I didnt sound like that on my Yamaha months ago. And the detail on the M72 was also astounding.

Nice to hear you are now enjoying your HK... O0
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: kt on Aug 22, 2005 at 06:55 PM
bro hans! how much wud those range n specs naman? tnx!
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: zakkaz on Aug 23, 2005 at 10:47 AM
u can try going to spectra @ parksquare 1 so that u can audition d hk paired w/ wharf
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: kt on Aug 23, 2005 at 11:17 AM
is there an hk model for less than 20t?
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: MAtZTER on Aug 23, 2005 at 02:30 PM
is there an hk model for less than 20t?

HK130, less than 20k.

Someone is selling a 2nd hand unit for just 12k at the marketplace, click here. (http://pinoydvd.com/board/index.php?topic=40139.0)
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: kt on Aug 23, 2005 at 02:51 PM
la po be bnew under 20t?  ???
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: czedryk on Aug 23, 2005 at 04:46 PM
la po be bnew under 20t?  ???

HK 130 - P16,900 @ Spectra
You can also call Mr. Sonny Tuazon (Home Theater) @ 8138443.
He can give you a good (better) deal ;)
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: kt on Aug 23, 2005 at 05:40 PM
k tnx guys!

la po ba other na kalevel ng marantz4500 or denon 1705?
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: 5Speed on Aug 23, 2005 at 07:17 PM
hehehe KT,  mukang nangangati ka na talagang bumili bro halos lahat ng thread eh me questions ka....take your time...ang pinakaimportante eh mag-audition ka ng mag-audition dahil dyan mo maririnig kung ano ang gusto mong tunog....:) which is what important dito sa hobby natin....maaaring yung gusto kong tunog eh pangit sa yo eh...

regarding dyan sa tanong mo kung ano ang ka-level (price point)  nang marantz 4500 at Denon 1705..... dami eh....

Onkyo 502 or 503
Yamaha (not sure about the model but siguradong meron yan
Pioneer (not sure din...tagal na akong di nakakapagwindow shopping eh...mahirap na at baka makaisip pa akongmag-upgrade)
HK 130
Kenwood (not familiar sa mga variants nito eh...but I think meron nito sa 5th ave...
JVC (di rin ako familiar sa variants nito...atsaka personally di ko gusto yung hitsura nya...hehehe)
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: MAtZTER on Aug 24, 2005 at 10:09 AM
hehehe KT,  mukang nangangati ka na talagang bumili bro halos lahat ng thread eh me questions ka....take your time...ang pinakaimportante eh mag-audition ka ng mag-audition dahil dyan mo maririnig kung ano ang gusto mong tunog....:) which is what important dito sa hobby natin....maaaring yung gusto kong tunog eh pangit sa yo eh...


Oo nga, when I click my "show replies to your post" puro si KT nababasa ko, hehe  :).

I agree with 5speed, audition them all as much as possible. We all have different listening tastes.

And word for the wise: when you have bought your system, stop auditioning, appreciate and be content with it as much as possible. Or you might end up in the SARS ward (upgrade sickness)  like some members here, me included  ;D. (I've had 3 receivers since October 2004)
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: zakkaz on Aug 24, 2005 at 10:46 AM
is there an hk model for less than 20t?
hk avr135
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: kt on Aug 24, 2005 at 10:56 AM
hehe pasensya na guys na excite lang kasi ako! ;D

well yung sa mga kalevel na avr that i mentioned..wat yung pinaka ok na pang 70/30 for audio? yung iba kasi maganda nga brand kaso medyo low power lang kasi for my budget dba? ano po yung best buy kung baga...

i have also auditioned the ms904's & gale 3030's (both used with marantz thx certified avr) and wharfes 9.4 (not sure wc avr)....n so far pinaka ok for me is the ms 904's n its center n surrounds....kaso medyo pricey! :-\
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: kt on Aug 29, 2005 at 01:20 PM
help guys may dumagdag pa sa avr choices ko?!?!!? now choices are Marantz4500 (7.1ch: 80wpc) (~17t), Denon1705 (6.1ch: 75wpc?) (~18t+), Denon1905 (7.1ch) (~22500), or Onkyo tx sr-502 (6.1ch: 80wpc?) (~20700)....wat po ok 60/40 in favor of music?
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Jairus on Aug 29, 2005 at 04:55 PM
Bro...you are the best person to judge what is best for you.  All the brands/models you listed are all good and you will not go wrong with any of them.  Go ahead and listen to eah one of them using the speakers you like then get the one which sounds good to you, has the features you like, and within your budget.  Happy hunting! ;)
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: kt on Aug 29, 2005 at 05:18 PM
bro jairus! hehe hirap lang kasi mamili eh...baka lang may mga feedback kayo to narrow down the choices! hehe
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: mafimushkila on Aug 29, 2005 at 06:35 PM
sir KT, f u got some free time  u may want to read the new topic i posted sa Amplifier / Upgrading? or check this out - http://www.whathifi.co.uk/soundadvice.asp    - baka may mapulot ka d2...
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: kt on Aug 30, 2005 at 10:05 AM
bro mafimushkila! cge i'll chek that link! tnx :D

may feedback po ba yung iba abt my choices? post lang guys!
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: leomar on Sep 09, 2005 at 11:35 AM
mga sir,

wat po number ng ambassador?

and magkano na kaya price ng yamaha rxv550, kung available pa ito...

maganda ba ang yamaha/wharf combo?
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: MAtZTER on Sep 09, 2005 at 04:38 PM
Ambassador 633-5224 and 633-9592
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: MAtZTER on Sep 10, 2005 at 04:12 PM
I brought my friend to my new HT room yesterday. We both changed to HK from Yamaha recently.  I was showing him the performance of the HK for HT. After that we both drew the same conclusion:

Yamaha still kicks ass for HT.

There was a difference indeed that I mentioned in the previous posts, about the significant improvement in audio listening from Yammy to HK. But I failed to mention this fact above since I still havent listened to it enough for HT.

Oh well, I just have to compromise. I dont have the budget to have both AVRs for separate HT and audio, hehe.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: H a n $ on Sep 11, 2005 at 08:11 AM
I brought my friend to my new HT room yesterday. We both changed to HK from Yamaha recently.  I was showing him the performance of the HK for HT. After that we both drew the same conclusion:

Yamaha still kicks ass for HT.

There was a difference indeed that I mentioned in the previous posts, about the significant improvement in audio listening from Yammy to HK. But I failed to mention this fact above since I still havent listened to it enough for HT.

Oh well, I just have to compromise. I dont have the budget to have both AVRs for separate HT and audio, hehe.

Matzler,

Thats why some have two separate setup for each purpose.  :) :)
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: MAtZTER on Sep 12, 2005 at 10:05 AM
Matzler,

Thats why some have two separate setup for each purpose.  :) :)

You are right! I remember you once advised this route to me. Sometimes I get to think it would have been better to get an entry-mid level Yamaha (v750 to v1500) and a separate audio setup, maybe integrated tube amps na mura lang...
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: s2kov on Sep 12, 2005 at 02:23 PM
nyahahaha! ;D kpag si hans nagbigay ng advise. expect, SARS! ;D


You are right! I remember you once advised this route to me. Sometimes I get to think it would have been better to get an entry-mid level Yamaha (v750 to v1500) and a separate audio setup, maybe integrated tube amps na mura lang...
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: av_phile1 on Sep 12, 2005 at 02:39 PM
I brought my friend to my new HT room yesterday. We both changed to HK from Yamaha recently.  I was showing him the performance of the HK for HT. After that we both drew the same conclusion:

Yamaha still kicks ass for HT.

There was a difference indeed that I mentioned in the previous posts, about the significant improvement in audio listening from Yammy to HK. But I failed to mention this fact above since I still havent listened to it enough for HT.

Oh well, I just have to compromise. I dont have the budget to have both AVRs for separate HT and audio, hehe.

Just curious.  What's the difference?  Did you do the comparison on the same set of speakers and placement, same room accoustics, same source players and materials.  More importanly, blind A/B and level matched? 
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: MAtZTER on Sep 15, 2005 at 04:13 PM
Just curious.  What's the difference?  Did you do the comparison on the same set of speakers and placement, same room accoustics, same source players and materials.  More importanly, blind A/B and level matched? 

sorry sir AV, I cant give a detailed explanation for your question about the difference, but our opinion is based more on the "gut feel" of the whole HT or musical experience. All I can describe is "better" or "worse". As of the last EB & speaker shootout at Akyat's place, I was still learning such words as "soundstage", "sibilant", etc etc. :D

But for the room, source and placement, yes it was all the same, but we didnt do a blind A/B, level match test (what is that anyway  ;D?)



Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: av_phile1 on Sep 15, 2005 at 04:43 PM
sorry sir AV, I cant give a detailed explanation for your question about the difference, but our opinion is based more on the "gut feel" of the whole HT or musical experience. All I can describe is "better" or "worse". As of the last EB & speaker shootout at Akyat's place, I was still learning such words as "soundstage", "sibilant", etc etc. :D

But for the room, source and placement, yes it was all the same, but we didnt do a blind A/B, level match test (what is that anyway  ;D?)





Double blind A/B test (DBT) means that neither the experimenter nor the subject has any knowledge of the brands being compared and which is under test at any time  Simple Blind A/B test mean only the subject doesn't know.  Level matched comparison mean the two amps are set in a condition that should yield the same voltage output or simplistically, volume, within a fraction of db difference.  As many trials are made usually a minimum of 16 from as many respondents as possible.   A score of 50%, 12/16 or higher means there are differences.  This is more a statistical exercise that is the only kind of objective comparison accepted in the scientific community.  Such test are called bias-controlled - eliminating the effect of personal preferrences, pricing predispositions and brand suggestions.

OTH comparing between two things when you are aware of the brand under test makes the comparison tainted either way.  That's called subjective comparison.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: H a n $ on Sep 15, 2005 at 04:54 PM
nyahahaha! ;D kpag si hans nagbigay ng advise. expect, SARS! ;D




 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D BI dating ko ah...


Mat,

Kaya better get Entry to Mid level AVR for HT tapos get a separate Audio setup.. ;D ;D ;D 
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: leomar on Sep 15, 2005 at 05:01 PM
sir av_phile,

that's indeed one statistical way! making the observer blind to other info aside from the sound...

btw sir, are you statistician? i am hehe
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: MAtZTER on Sep 15, 2005 at 05:06 PM
nyahahaha! ;D kpag si hans nagbigay ng advise. expect, SARS! ;D



Si sir Hans pala nagkakalat ng sakit na SARS dito  ;D
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: H a n $ on Sep 15, 2005 at 05:08 PM
Si sir Hans pala nagkakalat ng sakit na SARS dito  ;D


 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Tube gusto mo meron ako kilala turbo charged na. ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: MAtZTER on Sep 15, 2005 at 05:13 PM

 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Tube gusto mo meron ako kilala turbo charged na. ;) ;) ;)

Eh, hehe, Teka muna, naghihingalo pa wallet ko sa mga recent purchases. At malapit na pasko, nagkaroon pa ako ng additional one dozen na inaanak dahil sa missis ko  ;D. Need to save up, hehe
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: bhongskie on Sep 16, 2005 at 12:44 PM
Double blind A/B test (DBT) means that neither the experimenter nor the subject has any knowledge of the brands being compared and which is under test at any time  Simple Blind A/B test mean only the subject doesn't know.  Level matched comparison mean the two amps are set in a condition that should yield the same voltage output or simplistically, volume, within a fraction of db difference.  As many trials are made usually a minimum of 16 from as many respondents as possible.   A score of 50%, 12/16 or higher means there are differences.  This is more a statistical exercise that is the only kind of objective comparison accepted in the scientific community.  Such test are called bias-controlled - eliminating the effect of personal preferrences, pricing predispositions and brand suggestions.

OTH comparing between two things when you are aware of the brand under test makes the comparison tainted either way.  That's called subjective comparison.

Agree that DBT is more objective than other tests but it is not a simple procedure to undertake.  It involves not only taking note of scores or frequency or other measurements aside from controlling for subjects and evaluators (those taking the measurements) but many other factors as well.  The most important part is testing the statistical significance of the measurements.  One test may be valid but one cannot say conclusively that it is reliable.  Many tests needs to be conducted to establish the reliability of the results.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: av_phile1 on Sep 17, 2005 at 11:55 AM
Agree that DBT is more objective than other tests but it is not a simple procedure to undertake.  It involves not only taking note of scores or frequency or other measurements aside from controlling for subjects and evaluators (those taking the measurements) but many other factors as well.  The most important part is testing the statistical significance of the measurements.  One test may be valid but one cannot say conclusively that it is reliable.  Many tests needs to be conducted to establish the reliability of the results.

And they do make many tests over time to verify any claim.  Not just one or two.  Scientific statistical scrutiny is never simple.  It may not be perfect.  But it's the only kind accepted in the scientific community.  Certainly, it's no less reliable than a purely subjective one where its reliability, if you want to accept it, is only valid for the person making the test.  Not for all. 

But... as I've said before, this hobby is about personal preferrences, biases and opinions.  You can claim whatever you heard.  It's valid to you, and only you.   This hobby is mostly about perosnal indulgences of the ears.  No need to prove anything that you already like.  SO go ahead and enjoy your tweaks and what have you, as long as you are happy with them, that's all that matters in this personal hobby.  ;D  Science need not get in the way of our enjoyment of these luxuries. But let's not confuse scientific facts with personal opinions.   ;D
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: MAtZTER on Sep 17, 2005 at 04:32 PM
But... as I've said before, this hobby is about personal preferrences, biases and opinions.  You can claim whatever you heard.  It's valid to you, and only you.   This hobby is mostly about perosnal indulgences of the ears.  No need to prove anything that you already like.  SO go ahead and enjoy your tweaks and what have you, as long as you are happy with them, that's all that matters in this personal hobby.  ;D  Science need not get in the way of our enjoyment of these luxuries. But let's not confuse scientific facts with personal opinions.   ;D

Alright, alright  sir :D! I now realize I forgot to type a disclaimer to the above statement:

Just our (me & my friend's) 2 cents  ;D

Geez, me & my friend are just HT amateurs,  sir naman :),cut us some slack. I dont think we would do a complicated & scientific dbt. Our conclusions are based from our own experience with no scientific statistics or back up. But with or without bias, some things, like our conclusion re the Yammy & HK were pretty obvious to us. But like you said, its a matter of personal preferences bias & opinions. So actually thats all we are trying to convey, our personal opinion. 2 cents again  :)

peace sir   ;)
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: bhongskie on Sep 19, 2005 at 10:22 AM
Alright, alright  sir :D! I now realize I forgot to type a disclaimer to the above statement:

Just our (me & my friend's) 2 cents  ;D

Geez, me & my friend are just HT amateurs, cut us some slack sir :) I dont think we would do a complicated & scientific dbt. Our conclusions are based from our own experience with no scientific statistics or back up. But with or without bias, some things, like our conclusion re the Yammy & HK were pretty obvious to us. But like you said, its a matter of personal preferences bias & opinions. So thats all we are trying to convey, our personal opinion. 2 cents again  :)

peace sir   ;)

Exactly sir Matzter, perhaps like you I am also of the opinion that for ordinary hobbyists like most of us, a DBT is not necessary for most to conclude that one gear sound different than another.  DBT is simply too complicated to undertake even for people with know-how. 

A DBT is only used when one is measuring very minute differences in a certain attribute for example sound from 2 different gears.   No DBT is necessary if the difference in the attribute is obvious.  Again this is subjective - for one it may be obvious but not for another.  If you can discern that there are audible differences between the Yammy and HK then you don't need a DBT.  Unless you trust your ears and you really really wanted to prove statistically that the HK is better than the Yammy then you can resort to DBT, but I doubt very much if you'll make the trouble  ;D  Anyway, everything in this hobby as sir av_phile has said is really subjective so who cares whatever claim one makes?   ;D

sir av_phile, I agree with most of your thoughts, peace tayo sir!
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: MAtZTER on Sep 19, 2005 at 11:36 AM
Exactly sir Matzter, perhaps like you I am also of the opinion that for ordinary hobbyists like most of us, a DBT is not necessary for most to conclude that one gear sound different than another.  DBT is simply too complicated to undertake even for people with know-how. 

Not just complicated but time consuming. When I read what a DBT was, all I could think of was the time it would consume. My friend is a very busy man. I could barely interupt my friend from all his business meetings, managing his big companies and getting him (& his bodyguards) to come to our modest house (in his bulletproof van) to comment on the HT room. Much less perform a dbt.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: av_phile1 on Sep 19, 2005 at 12:06 PM
Alright, alright  sir :D! I now realize I forgot to type a disclaimer to the above statement:

Just our (me & my friend's) 2 cents  ;D

Geez, me & my friend are just HT amateurs,  sir naman :),cut us some slack. I dont think we would do a complicated & scientific dbt. Our conclusions are based from our own experience with no scientific statistics or back up. But with or without bias, some things, like our conclusion re the Yammy & HK were pretty obvious to us. But like you said, its a matter of personal preferences bias & opinions. So actually thats all we are trying to convey, our personal opinion. 2 cents again  :)

peace sir   ;)

I have no problem with that.  Anyone is free to opine based on personal values and experiences.  DBT is a complicated process that requires a lot of care and caution, like any statistical test, so not anyone can undertake one.  It is there to objectively establish if a difference exists between gears and brands that we use in this hobby.

But...it is totally unecessary to enjoy this hobby.  I was just curious if your claim was founded on DBT, that's why I asked.  Because it sounded so definitive without any qualification.  ;D  Pardon my impression.  So if it's a personal assessment, then it's an opinion I have no problem respecting.    ;D  Peace, too, bro.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: mheloy on Nov 22, 2005 at 02:13 PM
Gurus,

Yamaha 650 or Denon 1905 for HT paired with Wharfedale?

Thanks gurus!
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: bumblebee on Nov 22, 2005 at 02:17 PM
Dun ako sa mas mura ;D
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: s2kov on Nov 22, 2005 at 02:45 PM
if you may, try to consider hk5500 with wharfe :)

meron sa marketplace na for sale! ;D

Gurus,

Yamaha 650 or Denon 1905 for HT paired with Wharfedale?

Thanks gurus!
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: mheloy on Nov 22, 2005 at 02:55 PM
Dun ako sa mas mura ;D

you mean they perform the same?
nag audtition ako nito parang mas ok yun denon, pero ok na din sa akin yung 650.
mahal lang ng denon.

Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: MAtZTER on Nov 22, 2005 at 03:04 PM
if you may, try to consider hk5500 with wharfe :)

meron sa marketplace na for sale! ;D


Hanep sa plugging ah bro!  ;D  ;D
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: bumblebee on Nov 22, 2005 at 03:06 PM
You should choose what's best for your ears. If your ears tell you it's Denon, then get Denon.

Para sa akin kc, both are mid-level models made to compete w/ each other. So dun ako sa mas mura. Especially kung malaki ang difference.

Just curious. Was the Denon louder when you auditioned it?
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: s2kov on Nov 22, 2005 at 03:35 PM
subok lng po! ;D but honestly speaking, try nya din! :) don't limit the choices among receivers! :D

Hanep sa plugging ah bro!  ;D  ;D
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: mheloy on Nov 22, 2005 at 03:42 PM
You should choose what's best for your ears. If your ears tell you it's Denon, then get Denon.

Para sa akin kc, both are mid-level models made to compete w/ each other. So dun ako sa mas mura. Especially kung malaki ang difference.

Just curious. Was the Denon louder when you auditioned it?

louder???? hmm baka nilakasan nya lang... anyway audtion pa ako!!! heheheh!!
thanks bumblebee
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: bumblebee on Nov 22, 2005 at 03:47 PM
louder???? hmm baka nilakasan nya lang... anyway audtion pa ako!!! heheheh!!
thanks bumblebee

Try auditioning lower models too. Malay mo, magustuhan mo rin. Saves you a lot pa. Blind listening if possible.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: shuttertrigger on Nov 22, 2005 at 03:48 PM
louder???? hmm baka nilakasan nya lang... anyway audtion pa ako!!! heheheh!!
thanks bumblebee

bro, try mo audition yung Hk ni s2kov...baka magustuhan mo... thanks ;)
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Toquero on Nov 22, 2005 at 09:49 PM
louder???? hmm baka nilakasan nya lang... anyway audtion pa ako!!! heheheh!!
thanks bumblebee
I've once proud owner of yamaha -wharf setup, ok siya   :) after recently I partial upgraded my system to denon 1905 - wharf setup. And as for my experience while auditioning the 2 yammy 650 against denon 1905 using wharfs, mas ok yung tunog ng denon sa yammy on both ht and music listening. And when listening at almost the same levels of the same sample media on movies and music, medyo may tendency ka talagang ilakas yung denon just because medyo di gaanong matinis yung tunog and bilog yung sound na kahit itaas mo ng itaas ang level hindi ear pearcing yung tunog. Buo pa rin yung mid range at treble part ng frequency.. :) Not unlike sa yammy, may certain characteristics siya na evident sa lahat ng entry and mid level models niya (makalansing ba which is truely good in ht movies) But that's just me.... ;) As far as I can recall medyo kaunti lang yung price difference nilang dalawa . Try The Hometheater and I think Mr. Sonny Tuazon can give you a good offer you can't resist... :)
BTW, I'm on my mid 30's so my prereference might vary to your ears and anybody who loves the yammy against denons... ;D ;D
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: iceman90a on Nov 22, 2005 at 10:15 PM
bro, try mo audition yung Hk ni s2kov...baka magustuhan mo... thanks ;)

am using HK5500 and Wharfedale diamond 8.4's (fronts) and 8.3's (surrounds) solved na - pang matagalan na ito! ;D
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: s2kov on Nov 23, 2005 at 08:30 AM
that's what i saw on iceman's setup! galing! ;D

am using HK5500 and Wharfedale diamond 8.4's (fronts) and 8.3's (surrounds) solved na - pang matagalan na ito! ;D
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: 5Speed on Nov 29, 2005 at 06:35 PM
I've once proud owner of yamaha -wharf setup, ok siya   :) after recently I partial upgraded my system to denon 1905 - wharf setup. And as for my experience while auditioning the 2 yammy 650 against denon 1905 using wharfs, mas ok yung tunog ng denon sa yammy on both ht and music listening. And when listening at almost the same levels of the same sample media on movies and music, medyo may tendency ka talagang ilakas yung denon just because medyo di gaanong matinis yung tunog and bilog yung sound na kahit itaas mo ng itaas ang level hindi ear pearcing yung tunog. Buo pa rin yung mid range at treble part ng frequency.. :) Not unlike sa yammy, may certain characteristics siya na evident sa lahat ng entry and mid level models niya (makalansing ba which is truely good in ht movies) But that's just me.... ;) As far as I can recall medyo kaunti lang yung price difference nilang dalawa . Try The Hometheater and I think Mr. Sonny Tuazon can give you a good offer you can't resist... :)
BTW, I'm on my mid 30's so my prereference might vary to your ears and anybody who loves the yammy against denons... ;D ;D


Denon din ang prefered ko kung yang dalawang receivers ang pagpipilian.... masyado nga akong natitinisan sa  Yamaha w/c is okay for HT but pag minsan eh di ako makapanood ng 2-3 movies na straight dahil sumasakit yung ulo ko dahil sa sobrang kalansing....di naman masaya kapag mahina ang volume habang nanonood ka ng movies di ba? Sa Denon medyo balance ang tunog....and besides mas madalas akong manood ng concert dvds sa ngayon.......well rounded tunog nang Denon compared w/ yammys....but this is just my own personal assessment, sana walang ma-offend na Yammy fan, dahil nagkaron na rin ako ng Yammy kasi eh....
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: chatstix on Nov 30, 2005 at 10:56 AM
di ba puwede i-control or i-tame ang sobrang kalansing ng mga yammy avr via the treble control?
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: chrisP23 on Nov 30, 2005 at 11:40 AM
di ba puwede i-control or i-tame ang sobrang kalansing ng mga yammy avr via the treble control?

pwede if ur not using Multi Channel inputs..  sa optical input mode nasubukan ko na ito.. 
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: JT on Dec 01, 2005 at 11:06 AM
Need your opinion.  If u have marantz sr4400 and yamaha rxv440, which one you think you will upgrade first and why?


Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: einnoc on Dec 12, 2005 at 12:56 AM
im wud like to buy an amplifier/receiver. dahil tight ang budget im choosing between those being sold at buy an sell section of this forum pls help me in choosing between the  following..

1. onkyo tx sr501
2. yamaha rx v350
3. yamaha rx v440
4. yamaha rx v800
5. may nakalimutan ba akong ilagay?

thanks guys in advance
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Philander on Dec 12, 2005 at 11:33 AM
I'll choose yamaha rx v440. Though yamaha rx v800 is also good. Mas bago ngal ang yung 440.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: einnoc on Dec 12, 2005 at 12:27 PM
there someone selling yamaha rxv450 these newer than rxv440 right? and thus much better?
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Philander on Dec 12, 2005 at 01:07 PM
there someone selling yamaha rxv450 these newer than rxv440 right? and thus much better?

Supposedly yes, rxv450 is newer than rxv440, and reportedly using new DAC which is "warmer" then the previous DAC.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: s2kov on Dec 12, 2005 at 06:23 PM
meron bro, yung Harman Kardon AVR5500 ;D


im wud like to buy an amplifier/receiver. dahil tight ang budget im choosing between those being sold at buy an sell section of this forum pls help me in choosing between the  following..

1. onkyo tx sr501
2. yamaha rx v350
3. yamaha rx v440
4. yamaha rx v800
5. may nakalimutan ba akong ilagay?

thanks guys in advance

Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: shuttertrigger on Dec 13, 2005 at 08:20 AM
meron bro, yung Harman Kardon AVR5500 ;D

na nasa Buy & Sell --> HT Equipment the best yon!  ;D
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: einnoc on Dec 13, 2005 at 09:13 AM
he he he di kaya ng budget
Title: yamaha RX-V657 or h.kardon AVR235?
Post by: dts-HD 3D on Dec 27, 2005 at 11:18 PM
pls. advise on what to get bet. this 2 receivers.  i'm currently faced w/ a dilemma cos they both receive very good reviews. i only give myself 1 week to decide, hindi ko na kasi matiis ;D  HELP!
Title: Re: yamaha RX-V657 or h.kardon AVR235?
Post by: X-®an™ on Dec 28, 2005 at 10:56 AM
As I have read in here... it's better to audition both.  Try to see if they will match your speakers.  Ano na ba current speaker mo bro?
Title: Re: yamaha RX-V657 or h.kardon AVR235?
Post by: dts-HD 3D on Dec 28, 2005 at 11:13 PM
infinity primus 360(floorstander), infinity primus C25(center), yamaha(surround, soon to be upgraded to wharf DFS)
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: MAtZTER on Dec 31, 2005 at 12:39 PM
The HK230 will give you more power for your floorstanders. HK would be good if you listen to music a lot too. But if you are more into HT, Yamaha is very recommended. If you are 50/50 music HT, go for HK.
Title: Rotel RA-03 vs. Cambridge Azur 640A
Post by: classicman on Jan 05, 2006 at 09:29 AM
barring any major complications, i am set to acquire a pre-owned B&W CDM1 SE from the marketplace of another forum this weekend.  am planning to put a very minimalist pure audio set-up around these speakers by merely adding an entry-level integrated amplifier and a CD player, nothing more.

dahil medyo kulang po ang budget, iniisip kong kumuha lang muna ng integrated amplifier at saka na ang CD player coz meron pa naman akong luma na pwedeng gamitin.  and i have narrowed down my choices to these two: Rotel RA-03 and Cambridge Azur 640A.

alin po kaya sa dalawa ang mas match na amplifier para sa speakers na kukunin ko.  any input or insight will be greatly appreciated, maraming salamat po.

 8)
Title: Re: Rotel RA-03 vs. Cambridge Azur 640A
Post by: av_phile1 on Jan 05, 2006 at 02:45 PM
I am sure either amp will do fine with your chosen speakers.  But just to let you know,  Rotel is the official amplifier brand used by B&W to test and voice all their speaker line ups. 
Title: Re: Rotel RA-03 vs. Cambridge Azur 640A
Post by: classicman on Jan 05, 2006 at 06:07 PM
I am sure either amp will do fine with your chosen speakers.  But just to let you know,  Rotel is the official amplifier brand used by B&W to test and voice all their speaker line ups. 


thanks for your inputs, sir av_phile.......BTW, here's the link for the specs of the CDM1 SE:

http://www.bwspeakers.com/downloadFile/speakerModel/DONE-_product_info_CDM1SE.pdf

 8)
Title: Re: Rotel RA-03 vs. Cambridge Azur 640A
Post by: classicman on Jan 05, 2006 at 10:28 PM
and here are the links for the specs of the two protagonists for ready reference:

http://europe.rotel.com/products/specs/ra03.htm

http://www.cambridgeaudio.com/summary.php?PID=13&Title=Azur+640A

 8)
Title: Re: Rotel RA-03 vs. Cambridge Azur 640A
Post by: av_phile1 on Jan 06, 2006 at 01:24 PM
Seems like you'll have some difficult time choosing between the two based on specs alone. Or even looks.  Auditioning would be of great help to clinch your decision, preferrably on a set of B&W speakers of your pick or a similar model of the same brand.    Offhand I'd say your speaker's 58hz -3db lower limit may prove a challenge to get deep bass, so you may have to locate the speakers close to room corners.  Personally, i'd get a rotel, as I've had experience with the brand, so i'm biased to it. 
Title: Re: Rotel RA-03 vs. Cambridge Azur 640A
Post by: classicman on Jan 06, 2006 at 04:48 PM
hehehe ;D ;D ;D, parang wala ngang itulak kabigin sa 2 protagonists, at least on the basis of their specs & looks parang parehas lang

my problem is my location, i don't think there's a dealer of cambridge here in cebu. ::)  i had the occassion of auditioning the Rotel RA-02 paired w/ a B&W 602s3 at a local A/V shop here that carry both brands, & was satisfied w/ the matching.  but i will still audition the RA-03 when my CDM1 SE arrives para sigurado talaga. 8)

mas ok sana if somebody out there who had the chance to listen to a Cambridge Azur 640A being paired w/ this set of speakers, can share his inputs/reviews here...... 8)
Title: Re: Rotel RA-03 vs. Cambridge Azur 640A
Post by: classicman on Jan 06, 2006 at 06:03 PM
BTW, i got a price quote yesterday for these 2 amps from The Home Theater thru the kindness of sir Compaq, and they're just about even mas mahal lang ng konti ang Cambridge Azur 640A..... 8)
Title: Re: Rotel RA-03 vs. Cambridge Azur 640A
Post by: H a n $ on Jan 06, 2006 at 06:17 PM
BTW, i got a price quote yesterday for these 2 amps from The Home Theater thru the kindness of sir Compaq, and they're just about even mas mahal lang ng konti ang Cambridge Azur 640A..... 8)

baka meron ka friend going to cebu pwede ka pabili. ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Rotel RA-03 vs. Cambridge Azur 640A
Post by: classicman on Jan 07, 2006 at 08:57 AM
baka meron ka friend going to cebu pwede ka pabili. ;D ;D ;D


dyan talaga balak kong bumili pag hindi i-match ng local dealer dito ang price ng Home Theater & Audioworld :D......makiki-suyo nalang ako kay sir audioslave, mabait naman yun eh, hehehe ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Rotel RA-03 vs. Cambridge Azur 640A
Post by: audioslave on Jan 09, 2006 at 06:25 PM
brod, alam mo naman yung bias ko in favor of the Cambridge Audio. well, if you wanna be just like any Tom, Dick and Harry, then by all means choose the Rotel. they're easy to get and can be had anytime. i had a chance to own one before. though i'm very much satisfied with it, listening to a NAD would later on change my preference and eventually sold the Rotel to acquire the NAD.  together with the Cambridge Audio line of amps, these three brands, the Rotel, NAD and Cambridge Audio are all squares in competition with each other. i was in the same predicament before and my curiosity was doused with plenty of useful inputs when i asked the same question at the forum of hifichoice.co.uk where these three brands, together with the NAIM (not yet locally available though), were the preferred brands. Arcam, another UK brand, is a notch higher in their amps. if you are patient enough, you can back track their threads there where i asked the Brits and other members about their preference (my handle is also audioslave). since the Cambridge Audio seems to be the more elusive brand here, you might as well give it a try. as they say, there's a pride of ownership when you own something which the others can't easily get a hand on! parang chicks lang yan, kung mas mahirap kunin, mas masarap ding mahalin!  ::) ;D and don't worry about the support services here... Audio Den, the official distributor of the Cambridge Audio brand, can very well take care of its customers!  ;)
Title: Re: Rotel RA-03 vs. Cambridge Azur 640A
Post by: bumblebee on Jan 09, 2006 at 06:48 PM
Makikisingit lang po...

Everything else aside, the RA-03 is a £500 amp. The 640A is in the £250 range.
Title: Re: Rotel RA-03 vs. Cambridge Azur 640A
Post by: audioslave on Jan 09, 2006 at 10:03 PM
the local prices of Rotel RA-03 and Cambridge Audio 640A are as follows:

New improved Cambridge Audio Azur 640A Integrated Amplifier
now with 75 watts @ 8 ohms, P34,500 SRP.

New improved Cambridge Audio Azur 640A Integrated Amplifier
(75 watts @ 8 ohms,) with built-in MM/MC phono stage, P37,500 SRP.

available @ Audio Den

Old Cambridge Audio Azur 640A Integrated Amplifier
with 65 watts @ 8 ohms, P27,000 SRP.

Rotel RA-03 Integrated Amplifier
(70 watts @ 8 ohms) with built-in MM phono stage, P25,000 SRP

available @ Home Theater


saan ka pa pupunta, mas flexible choices mo pag Cambridge Audio. you can even choose a model with a clear transparent cover para kita mo innards ng amp mo! but of course it comes at a premium price!  ;D

pahabol pa!! ang remote control ng Rotel ay plastic while the Azur's remote control comes in aluminium top panel  ;)
Title: Re: Rotel RA-03 vs. Cambridge Azur 640A
Post by: audioslave on Jan 10, 2006 at 08:56 AM
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Bowers & Wilkins CDM1 SE

kaganda nire kapag Cambridge Audio 640A ang nakakabit na int-amp  ;D ;D

habang wala pang Rotel RA-03 o CA Azur 640A, M99+ muna ang nagbibigay buhay sa kanya!  ;)

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Title: Re: Rotel RA-03 vs. Cambridge Azur 640A
Post by: dyna52 on Jan 11, 2006 at 08:20 PM
Try NAD 352CT. Medyo matalim kasing tumunog highs ng B&W. Kung Rotel RA03 kukunin mo baka tiring. For dynamics, clean sounding ok Rotel. But if you want the presentation to be on the warmer and a bit laid back side sa NAD ka.
Title: Re: Rotel RA-03 vs. Cambridge Azur 640A
Post by: classicman on Jan 12, 2006 at 06:49 AM
brod, alam mo naman yung bias ko in favor of the Cambridge Audio. well, if you wanna be just like any Tom, Dick and Harry, then by all means choose the Rotel. they're easy to get and can be had anytime. i had a chance to own one before. though i'm very much satisfied with it, listening to a NAD would later on change my preference and eventually sold the Rotel to acquire the NAD.  together with the Cambridge Audio line of amps, these three brands, the Rotel, NAD and Cambridge Audio are all squares in competition with each other. i was in the same predicament before and my curiosity was doused with plenty of useful inputs when i asked the same question at the forum of hifichoice.co.uk where these three brands, together with the NAIM (not yet locally available though), were the preferred brands. Arcam, another UK brand, is a notch higher in their amps. if you are patient enough, you can back track their threads there where i asked the Brits and other members about their preference (my handle is also audioslave). since the Cambridge Audio seems to be the more elusive brand here, you might as well give it a try. as they say, there's a pride of ownership when you own something which the others can't easily get a hand on! parang chicks lang yan, kung mas mahirap kunin, mas masarap ding mahalin!  ::) ;D and don't worry about the support services here... Audio Den, the official distributor of the Cambridge Audio brand, can very well take care of its customers!  ;)


brod, thanks a lot for the inputs, ang lalim mo talaga ;).......& thanks for the effort in auditioning the speakers for me, ang gaganda ng kuha mo na mga pics, mas maganda pa ata sa speakers mismo, hehehe ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Rotel RA-03 vs. Cambridge Azur 640A
Post by: classicman on Jan 12, 2006 at 06:51 AM
Try NAD 352CT. Medyo matalim kasing tumunog highs ng B&W. Kung Rotel RA03 kukunin mo baka tiring. For dynamics, clean sounding ok Rotel. But if you want the presentation to be on the warmer and a bit laid back side sa NAD ka.


sir, thanks for sharing your thoughts...... 8)
Title: Re: Rotel RA-03 vs. Cambridge Azur 640A
Post by: synchro_01 on Jan 12, 2006 at 07:37 AM
Rotel + B&W = sharp highs?  thats funny because I never found that combo to be fatiguing in any way.  Been listening to it for a couple of months already and so far so good.  depende sa amp, speaker cable and speaker system synergy yan. Auditioning is a must.
Title: Re: Rotel RA-03 vs. Cambridge Azur 640A
Post by: dyna52 on Jan 13, 2006 at 09:29 AM
Yes, you are right. Subject matter is subjective and it always depends on your taste and preferences. But were also talking about synergy here. If you like the sound of your combo that's fine. Anyway,individually those equipments are good. But if you heard Rotel amp with "not so" bright speakers...you'll be amazed of how good this fine little amps are.
Title: Re: Rotel RA-03 vs. Cambridge Azur 640A
Post by: dyna52 on Jan 13, 2006 at 09:57 AM
makasingit lang po uli....
Classicman, if you norrowed down your choices to Rotel RA 03 and Cambridge Audio Azur 640A, my point si BUMBLEBEE. ROTEL RA 03 -  400  Vs CAMBRIDGE AUDIO 640 - 250. Parang mahal sa Pinas ang Cambridge.
Title: Re: Rotel RA-03 vs. Cambridge Azur 640A
Post by: av_phile1 on Jan 13, 2006 at 10:44 AM
Rotel has an established and growing market here, kaya siguro mura compared with newer brands (old elsewhere)  that are upscale but have yet to establish a local following.  If that's their pricing, I'd take the rotel anytime.   ;D  I always go for value for the money.
Title: Re: Rotel RA-03 vs. Cambridge Azur 640A
Post by: dyna52 on Jan 13, 2006 at 01:56 PM
That's I'm trying to say. Well said AV_phile!
Title: Re: Rotel RA-03 vs. Cambridge Azur 640A
Post by: dyna52 on Jan 13, 2006 at 01:59 PM
That's what I'm trying to say. Well said AV_phile!
Title: Re: Rotel RA-03 vs. Cambridge Azur 640A
Post by: classicman on Jan 14, 2006 at 04:03 PM
just keep your inputs comin' guys, tamang-tama nag-iipon pa ako ng pambili, hehehe ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: whipsaw on Jan 17, 2006 at 03:13 PM
Id say HK to give you more versatility if you get into a music listening mood. Incidentally, it is past a week, what did you end up getting?
Title: Re: Rotel RA-03 vs. Cambridge Azur 640A
Post by: whipsaw on Jan 17, 2006 at 04:10 PM
i would  probably get the rotel too. so that in the future, if i want to add more amps and have a setup of separate amps to run with a processor, i could easily get hold of pre owned rotels in pinoydvd.

i kinda want to look just a bit forward so i can just add instead of replace.
Title: Re: Rotel RA-03 vs. Cambridge Azur 640A
Post by: bono on Jan 17, 2006 at 04:35 PM
me too, i go for rotel. my brother in law are using ra-02 with power amp rotel rb-03 and cdm-1. ok naman combo and driving with gusto.  :D :D :D
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: dts-HD 3D on Jan 17, 2006 at 04:57 PM
It's my surround speakers that got the upgrade last week as i am holding on to buying a new receiver cos this i think is the most important. 'Patience is virtue' as they say :). im luking forward for a longer relationship w/ this receiver say 8-10yrs.?!(gastos mag upgrade e) + to a more musical, thats why im changing my options now to either HK635 or Denon2807.  ipon . . . ipon . . . ;D
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: danrd on Jan 18, 2006 at 09:19 AM
To all gurus. I'd like to ask your opinion on this. Will there be a huge leap of quality and power difference if I shift from Yamaha Rx-v350 to Hk-135? My drivers are Diamond 9.2, cs and wh2 surrounds.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: classicman on Jan 18, 2006 at 10:22 AM
The HK230 will give you more power for your floorstanders. HK would be good if you listen to music a lot too. But if you are more into HT, Yamaha is very recommended. If you are 50/50 music HT, go for HK.


sir Matz, i totally agree w/ your observation on the Yammy being still the receiver to contend w/ when it comes to HT....... 8)
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: MAtZTER on Jan 18, 2006 at 10:45 AM

sir Matz, i totally agree w/ your observation on the Yammy being still the receiver to contend w/ when it comes to HT....... 8)

Yes sir classicman  :). I came from Yammy before I went for HK to get a better audio experience.

But if I had a big pocket, I would really go for a Yammy for HT and a separate audio setup w/ tube amps. You get the best of both worlds. But this option is just cost (and in my case- SPACE) prohibitive  ;D.

But libre mangarap, haha. I should be posting this in your "dream HT for free" thread  ;D.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: av_phile1 on Jan 18, 2006 at 10:48 AM
To all gurus. I'd like to ask your opinion on this. Will there be a huge leap of quality and power difference if I shift from Yamaha Rx-v350 to Hk-135? My drivers are Diamond 9.2, cs and wh2 surrounds.

Based on specs alone, it would be difficult to say.  Yamaha rates it power handling using the JETA and DIN standards to come out with 105watts per channel while HK uses the FTC standard to come out more conservatively at 40watts per channel.  In adidtion, Yamaha measures the power at a higher THD of 0.9% while HK measures at a lower THD of 0.07%.  From the standpoint of power rating alone, I'd pick the more conservative FTC-based HK.  There's a good chance the published 40watts of HK can be as powerful as or more than the published 105 watts of Yamaha.  

But ofcourse there are other factors to consider and depending on what your definition of quality is, the choice really is a personal one.  It all boils down to what you are looking for in a receiver and if you're not happy with your current one.  Try auditioning in the same store with the same set of speakers and source player/material so you can better compare.
Title: Re: Rotel RA-03 vs. Cambridge Azur 640A
Post by: audioslave on Jan 18, 2006 at 10:53 AM
one more point to help classicman choose his amp: Rotel is a forward sounding amp while CA Azur is just like a NAD where it sounds more of a laid back. forward sounding amps may tire your ears when you listened to it continuously for an extended period of time while laid back amps are more forgiving but not as pleasant sounding as tube amps. nothing beats a tube amp if you would want to listen all day without your ears getting tired as a result of the prolonged exposure.  in short, i haven't heard any solid state amp with an airiness and ambiance of a tube amp and i think an EL34 or KT-88 kind of a tube amp would best be suited to a B&W CDM series speaker if you want to hear some midrange magic ;)
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: classicman on Jan 18, 2006 at 11:00 AM
Yes sir classicman  :). I came from Yammy before I went for HK to get a better audio experience.

But if I had a big pocket, I would really go for a Yammy for HT and a separate audio setup w/ tube amps. You get the best of both worlds. But this option is just cost (and in my case- SPACE) prohibitive  ;D.

But libre mangarap, haha. I should be posting this in your "dream HT for free" thread  ;D.


your much welcome to post any of your dream gears (or even girls for that matter ;D) in that thread......incidentally, i just upgraded some of my gears there for FREE again, hehehe ;D ;D ;D

i read kasi from audioholics na hataw daw talaga ang Yamaha RX-V2600 having won the receiver of the year honors from CES....... 8)
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: danrd on Jan 18, 2006 at 11:09 AM
Quote
Based on specs alone, it would be difficult to say.  Yamaha rates it power handling using the JETA and DIN standards to come out with 105watts per channel while HK uses the FTC standard to come out more conservatively at 40watts per channel.  In adidtion, Yamaha measures the power at a higher THD of 0.9% while HK measures at a lower THD of 0.07%.  From the standpoint of power rating alone, I'd pick the more conservative FTC-based HK.  There's a good chance the published 40watts of HK can be as powerful as or more than the published 105 watts of Yamaha. 

But ofcourse there are other factors to consider and depending on what your definition of quality is, the choice really is a personal one.  It all boils down to what you are looking for in a receiver and if you're not happy with your current one.  Try auditioning in the same store with the same set of speakers and source player/material so you can better compare.

Thanks av_phile1 for that detailed comment. Unfortunately I have no way of knowing personally the difference between the two coz I couldn't find a shop that could set it up for me. Im just concerned that I might find in the end that both sounds just the same.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: bumblebee on Jan 18, 2006 at 11:25 AM
From what I understand from audioholics, Yamaha's rating is true for 2 channels only. So a 100-watt Yamaha can go 100 watts in stereo, better than the 50 watts x 2 from a 40-wpc HK. The HK will crush the Yamaha when all channels are driven (worst case) but in real world applications, when some channels are rarely used, the fronts can tap the can extra "unused" power of the Yamaha.
Title: Re: Rotel RA-03 vs. Cambridge Azur 640A
Post by: synchro_01 on Jan 18, 2006 at 11:27 AM
classicman

bear in mind that along the entire line of Rotel and all other amp manufacturers..not all of their amps/integrated amps in their entire lineup will sound the same.  If one individual owned a particular model of a Rotel and gave their impression on how it sounds, that doesnt mean that the entire line of Rotel will sound that way too. Thats the whole reason why there are higher end models along their lineup with better circuitry, more power, improved design topologies that all translates to improved sound.  Its best if you try it out yourself before deciding to buy. Speaker and cables play a huge part in the end result too.  Pair a good sounding amp with the wrong cable and/or speakers then the sound will just be as fatiguing as a crappy amp paired with good speakers. 
Title: Re: Rotel RA-03 vs. Cambridge Azur 640A
Post by: whipsaw on Jan 18, 2006 at 11:33 AM
hey classicman,

yeah, get the tube monoblocs. then tell me how it goes....

am tempted too

whip
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: av_phile1 on Jan 18, 2006 at 12:33 PM
From what I understand from audioholics, Yamaha's rating is true for 2 channels only. So a 100-watt Yamaha can go 100 watts in stereo, better than the 50 watts x 2 from a 40-wpc HK. The HK will crush the Yamaha when all channels are driven (worst case) but in real world applications, when some channels are rarely used, the fronts can tap the can extra "unused" power of the Yamaha.

Difficult to say since Yamaha is often silent when measuring power with both chanels driven into 8 ohms.  Take note that their typical specs for stereo power often reads and worded as:  Minimum RMS output power for Front, Center, Surrounds, & Surround back - XXX watts RMS, 20hz - 20khz , 0.07% THD, into 8 ohms.    I would think whatever their  XXX watt claim is, it's only good in MONO.  If the power is the same for Center as it is for Front which requires a pair, then you can easily conclude that power is read with only one chanel driven.   ;D
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: bumblebee on Jan 18, 2006 at 12:53 PM
I think we can safely say it's for 2, since the FTC have a standard for 2-channel power rating and hindi naman mono ang mga receivers. Sobra naman yung mga manufacturers kung good for mono yung rating nila.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: ATJr. on Jan 18, 2006 at 01:09 PM
between a 105watt and a 40watt amp, i doubt you will ever notice the difference....if they are playing on the same type speakers at same settings and volume.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: ATJr. on Jan 18, 2006 at 01:13 PM
I think we can safely say it's for 2, since the FTC have a standard for 2-channel power rating and hindi naman mono ang mga receivers. Sobra naman yung mga manufacturers kung good for mono yung rating nila.


the FTC ruling is there to protect comsumers from fraudulent claims! and it applies to all amps that are sold for home use. but anyway in the Philippines i am not sure that we have such simmilar law, afaik, we are open game!
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: bumblebee on Jan 18, 2006 at 01:23 PM
With the absence of an FTC standard for multichannel amps, some manufacturers are having a field day-everywhere and anywhere.
Title: Re: Rotel RA-03 vs. Cambridge Azur 640A
Post by: odyopayl on Jan 18, 2006 at 07:00 PM
I'm also using Cambridge Integrated amp. Great Sounding, agree with Audioslave  its a laid back sounding amp. I have friends hear it and mistaken I'm using a tube amp. Great soundstage, acceptable mids and very polite highs.

Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: av_phile1 on Jan 20, 2006 at 12:00 PM
I think we can safely say it's for 2, since the FTC have a standard for 2-channel power rating and hindi naman mono ang mga receivers. Sobra naman yung mga manufacturers kung good for mono yung rating nila.

FTC is not applied in the phils and in many parts of Asia.  Some brands do, like Rotel, Nad, HK, just to mention those top in my mind.  But these brands have a philosphy more closer to CONSERVATIVE Full Disclosure of power rating than most.

Oh and if you can check the specs on a Yamaha receiver for local use, pls see if they use "BOTH channels driven" in the wordings when they specify for Front, Center, Back.  I don't think they comply with FTC standards,  they use IHF, JETA or EIAJ or DIN.  Not FTC.   But without a choice, yamaha gears destined to the US markets do. 
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: av_phile1 on Jan 20, 2006 at 12:08 PM
With the absence of an FTC standard for multichannel amps, some manufacturers are having a field day-everywhere and anywhere.

Exactly.  The FTC rulings were made when multichannels were still decades away.    But the spirit and intent of the FTC to prevent unfair advantages in the consumer market for amplifiers and other gadgets should be observed even in the absence of clear standards for rmultichannel.   Some brands still hew close to doing ALL channels driven test on a fixed impedance load over a period of time with a continuous full bandwidth pink noise.  This is a very demanding test that only a few gears can pass.  It gives very conservative readings.  And there are strict standards as well for admissable heat radiation levels in homes as defined by the UL underwriters to have your amp certified by them.  That is why some receivers are rated at 6 ohms minimum as a compromise.  Because at 4 ohms, the heat generated will fail a UL certification for many receivers. 
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: MAtZTER on Jan 20, 2006 at 01:37 PM
Question guys:

If I get a Yamaha entry level receiver and connect it to a 5 channel Harman Kardon or Rotel power amplifier, will I get the best of both worlds? meaning getting both Rotel's/HK's power & sound and Yamaha's well known DSP?

TIA  :)
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: av_phile1 on Jan 20, 2006 at 06:57 PM
Question guys:

If I get a Yamaha entry level receiver and connect it to a 5 channel Harman Kardon or Rotel power amplifier, will I get the best of both worlds? meaning getting both Rotel's/HK's power & sound and Yamaha's well known DSP?

TIA  :)

That's essentially the route taken by many videophiles.  Rather than get those expensive Krell, Sunfire or Rotel multichannel preamps, they use the preamp sections of the latest fine receivers (with preamp output, ofcourse) and hook them to Brystons, Dreadnaughts and Aragon power amps.  The receivers with those fabled DSPs and DACs end up as preamps.  SOmeone opined in another forum that those receivers, like the Z1 of Yamaha, are actually excellent audio/video preamps with power amps just thrown in as freeebies.   ;D  They certainly can give Krell and Sunfire a run for their money in the preamp department.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: MAtZTER on Jan 20, 2006 at 07:07 PM
Thanks sir. Its so nice to know that.

GOSH, I truly wished I asked & learned about this a lot earlier.  :'( :'( :'(

Oh well, everything is a learning process.

Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: av_phile1 on Jan 20, 2006 at 07:13 PM
Just make sure the receiver is not entry-level.  I don't think entry level receivers have pre-outs.  (Though I heard Marantz has.)  You may have to start in the mid-levels.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: whipsaw on Jan 23, 2006 at 11:22 AM
yup marantz has pre outs as early as the sr4500. i tried it and it turned out surprisingly well. it is a great way to go. i think that is a big big bonus marantz has given having pre outs that early in the product line.

whip
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: elvenears on Jan 23, 2006 at 11:59 AM
mga sir question pala maganda ba tong vsx-815 from pioneer?!?!im planning kasi on buying one thanks!?!??
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: MAtZTER on Jan 31, 2006 at 12:18 PM
Found this at the Harman Kardon website. For the info of those wondering about HK's power rating (like me before).

Question:
Why are Harman Kardon amplifiers so much more powerful than amplifiers with the same power ratings that are made by other companies?

Answer:
A Harman Kardon 50-watt amplifier will sound better, louder and cleaner than most 100-watt amplifiers from other companies. The reason is very simple. We give "true" wattage ratings, and our amplifiers utilize something called High-Current Capability (HCC). Please see the comparison below for further explanation. Other companies (100 watts):
Many companies have found new, convenient ways to get "big" wattage ratings on their amplifiers. They may take one frequency or tone (1kHz) and push it through one channel of amplification. This way the power supply only needs to supply power to one tone and one channel (no one listens to one tone through one speaker). This is not a difficult task for a power supply, so you get a nice, high rating like 100 watts. Now let's feed that one tone (1kHz) into 2 channels. Now the power supply has to supply power to 2 channels. The wattage rating is drastically reduced. Now let's take that one tone and make it ALL tones (pink noise). The power supply now has to supply power to all frequencies in both channels. Again, the wattage rating is drastically reduced. Now, your 100-watt amp is suddenly 50 watts (approximately).

Let's take it one step further. When you turn the amp up and begin to average the 50 watts of power, what happens to all of the dynamics/peaks in the sound? It can't get any louder, because the amp has hit its "ceiling," so the sound gets "clipped." The human ear typically can?t hear this clipping because peaks pass by so quickly but, nonetheless, the dynamics are gone.

Our amplifiers (50 watts):

We still rate our amplifiers the old-fashioned way - all frequencies with both channels driven. So "50 watts" is 50 watts. Twenty-five years ago, a 50-watt amp was very powerful. These days you can go to a store and hear a "300 watt" receiver and it won't impress; it lacks dynamic punch.

Now let's take it that extra step. When you turn the amp up and begin to average the 50 watts of power, the amp still needs to put out much more power every time a snare drum, triangle, or movie dynamic (e.g., hand slapping a face) hits. Our amps are able to instantaneously put out 20-100 amps (depending on the model) of high current to the speakers, allowing those dynamics to come through loud and clear, without any distortion. This brings the overall decibel average up, making it seem even louder that 50-watts.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: hattori_hanzo on Jan 31, 2006 at 01:36 PM
Sir, can you compare this two amps;

Yamaha vs. Harman Kardon

How would they compete in terms of power ratings, whats "hot" and whats "not". coz particlularly like my Yamaha RX-V995 rated at 100Wpc into 5ch when in max power, it consumes 750Watts max, is this true? how about Harman Kardon, if they do produce a large amount of power, would they consume around 1kva? isnt that quite a mouthful?

please enlighten us more thanks!       
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: jerix on Jan 31, 2006 at 02:06 PM
The manual of my Pioneer VSX 811s-s rated at 120 x 6 channels says that it consumes maximum of 990 watts of power - all channels driven. ;) so my impression is that --  the rating is not artificial.

But strictly speaking, how will i know really? There may still be some secrets to hide its true power. is there a way to check this out?  ::)
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: MAtZTER on Jan 31, 2006 at 02:39 PM
Sir, can you compare this two amps;

Yamaha vs. Harman Kardon

How would they compete in terms of power ratings, whats "hot" and whats "not". coz particlularly like my Yamaha RX-V995 rated at 100Wpc into 5ch when in max power, it consumes 750Watts max, is this true? how about Harman Kardon, if they do produce a large amount of power, would they consume around 1kva? isnt that quite a mouthful?

please enlighten us more thanks!       

I used to have a Yammy 450 (my beginning AVR) & 650, then went for HK630.

The Yamaha 650 was at 95wpc x7, about 25lbs and less than 500w power consumption.

The HK630 was at 75wpc x7, almost 50 lbs and 1110w power consumption.

My Mission floorstanders needed a sub for the bass in audio listening with the Yamaha. But no need for a sub with the HK. The HK sounded much better for audio too. But IMHO, the yamaha still had an edge in HT. I listen to music at -30 volume as opposed to -20 to -12 at yamaha. No need for high volumes to hear the details oft he music either.

Thats wattage wise, price wise, the HK630 costs almost 3x the Yamaha 650, so the comparison might not be that fair. So let me use my friend's Yamaha 1300 (130wpc x6) for comparison. He used dynaudio audience 72 floorstanders and he noticed a big difference (in audio) when he switched to HK635. the yammy just wasnt able to power the dynes enough. But the Dynes sang well when it was powered by HK.

Spectra's Jose also told me that when they tested both, quote "Di mahabol ng 130w amp ng Yamaha yung 40w ng HK".
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: hattori_hanzo on Jan 31, 2006 at 04:24 PM
I used to have a Yammy 450 (my beginning AVR) & 650, then went for HK630.

The Yamaha 650 was at 95wpc x7, about 25lbs and less than 500w power consumption.

The HK630 was at 75wpc x7, almost 50 lbs and 1110w power consumption.

My Mission floorstanders needed a sub for the bass in audio listening with the Yamaha. But no need for a sub with the HK. The HK sounded much better for audio too. But IMHO, the yamaha still had an edge in HT. I listen to music at -30 volume as opposed to -20 to -12 at yamaha. No need for high volumes to hear the details oft he music either.

Thats wattage wise, price wise, the HK630 costs almost 3x the Yamaha 650, so the comparison might not be that fair. So let me use my friend's Yamaha 1300 (130wpc x6) for comparison. He used dynaudio audience 72 floorstanders and he noticed a big difference (in audio) when he switched to HK635. the yammy just wasnt able to power the dynes enough. But the Dynes sang well when it was powered by HK.

Spectra's Jose also told me that when they tested both, quote "Di mahabol ng 130w amp ng Yamaha yung 40w ng HK".

sir, I presume your 1110watts has its own dedicated power supply right? so it can pull enough power from a 30-60amperes of power from a regular household power supply. does it really produce that much? coz I use to have a QSC Mx700 professional power amp made by the same company as HK. harman international it is rated at 120wpc on 8ohms, and I can say it really does pull a large amount of power. my DVD player skips when even I turn up the volume so my solution is to get another dedicated power outlet having its own circuit breaker, but having that loud clean power still it must go on audio prossessing inorder to highten the signal (eg. pre amp mixer, GEQ etc) otherwise without these gears. the sound would only be loud no creamyness or airness.   

It just made me think about your 1110watts HK. if it does produce that power, does your other audio gears affected? or maybe there are just internally fixed processed signal made by your HK in order to make your speakers sound as large as it could be? Ive seen the specs of HK and very impressive. but that figure "1110watts" is really unbilievably amazing.  :D     
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: MAtZTER on Jan 31, 2006 at 04:36 PM
Yup, When I was renovating my HT, I had my outlet to my AVR customized to have its own circuit breaker. Also did the same for my subwoofer outlet.

But sir AV said that its not possible to put the whole 1110w to its max, unless you drive all 7 speakers to their max volumes.  I already couldnt stand the AVR's volume at -15 setting.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: bumblebee on Jan 31, 2006 at 04:39 PM
That's marketing. Kanya-kanyang style sina Denon, Yamaha, HK, NAD, Rotel etc.

Check the weight.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: hattori_hanzo on Jan 31, 2006 at 04:50 PM
Yup, When I was renovating my HT, I had my outlet to my AVR customized to have its own circuit breaker. Also did the same for my subwoofer outlet.

But sir AV said that its not possible to put the whole 1110w to its max, unless you drive all 7 speakers to their max volumes.  I already couldnt stand the AVR's volume at -15 setting.

Sir Matz,

Galing talga ng HK, very impressive talaga pagdating sa Power, kahit yung mga power amp ng harman international parang dapat may sariling power supply each. or better yet yung Furman professional line conditioner na kahit "kidlat" hindi kayang apektohan ng spike ang voltage supply, kaya lang medyo mahal to last time I checked nasa 22k pero sulit naman protectado lahat ng delicate equipment lalo na ang digital gears.

muntikan ko na makuha yung AVR5500 ni sir Stkov before, kaya lang I made up my mind, still thinkin of the new ones kasi, kaya lang ako umurong sa deal namin ni sir stkov is bec. of the yammy 750 and 757 na hindi naman pala kaya isupply ng ambassador makati. tsk! bad trip, thats why I opt to get a 2nd yammy 995 buti nalang may nag benta sa akin si sir mardoc. pero ones na matapos na yung dedicated HT room ko. ill scout again for another HT receiver and my target is HK...

   
   
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: aHobbit on Jan 31, 2006 at 05:10 PM
That's marketing. Kanya-kanyang style sina Denon, Yamaha, HK, NAD, Rotel etc.

Check the weight.

 ;)

This is typically commercial space for amps - if you do believe them not validating the facts - you may be the loser in the game of consumerism.

I also tried to compare HK and Yamaha when I am still on a buying stage. With my test CD, there is not much I have heard of the differences on an 8.3. But with some pressing problem I had before on the loudness issue (or was it bass issue?), I have run some experiments. The 630 has pre-outs and feed it to a monoblocks I have, and the result also seems to be like thin sounding on my 8.3, unlike other preamps I paired with my mono-blocks. The common with my 630 and the monoblock experiment is the pre-amp.

Thus, IMO the amp of Yamaha could be that good - the one driving the seemingly thin sound is the pre-amp section. And this might be attributed to (again - commercial hyping) TopART tech they drum beat - not much signal processing in the path. But even then, the 630 is the EISA product of the year (of its time), over other same-level receiver.

But somehow, I have to go back to my table and find practical issue - that no speaker will produce my 20Hz to about 40hz, so what are these issues about bass or so in an amp whereas this will not be reproduced at all in a typical mass market speakers - and even if a speaker can, the frequency segments have placement issues in a listening environment.

I still have the 630 today, with the 8.1 in the mid/hi space with matching sub to cover the low end. It is not thin.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: alas6 on Jan 31, 2006 at 08:13 PM
Found this at the Harman Kardon website. For the info of those wondering about HK's power rating (like me before).

Question:
Why are Harman Kardon amplifiers so much more powerful than amplifiers with the same power ratings that are made by other companies?

Answer:
A Harman Kardon 50-watt amplifier will sound better, louder and cleaner than most 100-watt amplifiers from other companies. The reason is very simple. We give "true" wattage ratings, and our amplifiers utilize something called High-Current Capability (HCC). Please see the comparison below for further explanation. Other companies (100 watts):
Many companies have found new, convenient ways to get "big" wattage ratings on their amplifiers. They may take one frequency or tone (1kHz) and push it through one channel of amplification. This way the power supply only needs to supply power to one tone and one channel (no one listens to one tone through one speaker). This is not a difficult task for a power supply, so you get a nice, high rating like 100 watts. Now let's feed that one tone (1kHz) into 2 channels. Now the power supply has to supply power to 2 channels. The wattage rating is drastically reduced. Now let's take that one tone and make it ALL tones (pink noise). The power supply now has to supply power to all frequencies in both channels. Again, the wattage rating is drastically reduced. Now, your 100-watt amp is suddenly 50 watts (approximately).

Let's take it one step further. When you turn the amp up and begin to average the 50 watts of power, what happens to all of the dynamics/peaks in the sound? It can't get any louder, because the amp has hit its "ceiling," so the sound gets "clipped." The human ear typically can?t hear this clipping because peaks pass by so quickly but, nonetheless, the dynamics are gone.

Our amplifiers (50 watts):

We still rate our amplifiers the old-fashioned way - all frequencies with both channels driven. So "50 watts" is 50 watts. Twenty-five years ago, a 50-watt amp was very powerful. These days you can go to a store and hear a "300 watt" receiver and it won't impress; it lacks dynamic punch.

Now let's take it that extra step. When you turn the amp up and begin to average the 50 watts of power, the amp still needs to put out much more power every time a snare drum, triangle, or movie dynamic (e.g., hand slapping a face) hits. Our amps are able to instantaneously put out 20-100 amps (depending on the model) of high current to the speakers, allowing those dynamics to come through loud and clear, without any distortion. This brings the overall decibel average up, making it seem even louder that 50-watts.


so yung sinasabi sa akin dati tutoo pala....thanks for the info!!! ;D ;D
Title: Re: Rotel RA-03 vs. Cambridge Azur 640A
Post by: brandon on Feb 03, 2006 at 03:30 PM
...in short, i haven't heard any solid state amp with an airiness and ambiance of a tube amp...

Really?  You should try auditioning B&W 801 speakers powered with an Onkyo receiver.
There's one setup here in Cebu at SM City Soundroom.  You can ask for any of the
friendly staff for a demo (even if you have no plans to buy a B&W 801).


Title: Re: Rotel RA-03 vs. Cambridge Azur 640A
Post by: synchro_01 on Feb 06, 2006 at 05:22 AM
You should try auditioning B&W 801 speakers powered with an Onkyo receiver.


801 Nautilus mated to an Onkyo receiver?   sayang yung speaker.

OT pero I do agree to the midrange magic of the Nautilus.  Its one speaker that made me jump off the speaker merry go round.
Title: Re: Rotel RA-03 vs. Cambridge Azur 640A
Post by: brandon on Feb 06, 2006 at 02:29 PM
801 Nautilus mated to an Onkyo receiver?   sayang yung speaker.

OT pero I do agree to the midrange magic of the Nautilus.  Its one speaker that made me jump off the speaker merry go round.

My point is that 'openness' or 'airiness' is more of a speaker contribution
and less of an amplifier/receiver contribution.  The speakers and the acoustics
of a room and how the speakers are set up in the playback system and the listening
environment comprise 80% of the 'resultant' sound quality.

The remaining 20% of the sound quality is contributed by the amplifier/receiver,
CD player, and all others. ;D
Title: Re: Rotel RA-03 vs. Cambridge Azur 640A
Post by: classicman on Feb 06, 2006 at 11:51 PM
(http://static.flickr.com/36/84595443_25488c2cc7.jpg)

finally got these gorgeous babies this afternoon thru the collaborative efforts of brod audioslave, sir hemisphere & his non-pinoydvd-member friend JON SANTOS :D.......maraming maraming salamat po sa inyo, mabuhay po kayo, you definitely MADE my day, hehehe ;D ;D ;D........ang ganda pala talaga ng speakers na ito, hehehe :o :o ;D
Title: Harman Kardon avr 135 versus Marantz sr4500
Post by: BongerDude on Feb 08, 2006 at 03:51 PM
Which is better?
Title: Re: Harman Kardon avr 135 versus Marantz sr4500
Post by: Platinum on Feb 08, 2006 at 04:01 PM
HK!  :)
Title: Re: Harman Kardon avr 135 versus Marantz sr4500
Post by: shotgun on Feb 08, 2006 at 05:44 PM
I ultimately chose the Marantz because:

1. Design was more classic (will stand the test of time better IMHO)
2. 7.1 - more future proof
3. Cheaper - whatever I saved went to the purchase of my fronts

However, it's really a toss-up between the 2 with regard to Sound Quality and Features
Title: Re: Harman Kardon avr 135 versus Marantz sr4500
Post by: Philander on Feb 08, 2006 at 06:32 PM
Marantz. Couldn't agree more with shotgun.

Though better ang high-current amplifier ng HK.

Title: Re: Harman Kardon avr 135 versus Marantz sr4500
Post by: BongerDude on Feb 08, 2006 at 09:18 PM
Mga bro..

na audition nyo na ba tong 2?

balak ko kasi talaga nung una marantz sr4500 kaso nung narinig ko ung HK..mas malupet.

kaso lang anlaki nung diff sa price.pero nung bumaba ung price ng HK, nagisip ako. marantz = 17500 tpos HKavr135=19500 lang

kaya napag isip ako..eh bobo ako eh first timer kc ko kaya gs2 ko malaman opinion nyo sana.

maraming salamat po
Title: Re: Harman Kardon avr 135 versus Marantz sr4500
Post by: ganicru on Feb 09, 2006 at 10:41 AM
TRy mo sa watt hi fi, MCS, mas mababa price ng HK 135.

am happy with my HK135 eh, mas mahal lang kuha ko last Dec 05. Sulit naman.


Just me.
Title: Re: Harman Kardon avr 135 versus Marantz sr4500
Post by: Philander on Feb 09, 2006 at 12:32 PM
Mga bro..

na audition nyo na ba tong 2?

balak ko kasi talaga nung una marantz sr4500 kaso nung narinig ko ung HK..mas malupet.

kaso lang anlaki nung diff sa price.pero nung bumaba ung price ng HK, nagisip ako. marantz = 17500 tpos HKavr135=19500 lang

kaya napag isip ako..eh bobo ako eh first timer kc ko kaya gs2 ko malaman opinion nyo sana.

maraming salamat po

naudition mo yung 2 receiver on same listening area? same speakers? same source?
Title: Re: Harman Kardon avr 135 versus Marantz sr4500
Post by: scofield on Feb 09, 2006 at 01:53 PM
hk 135 user here.

walang halong pagsisi. audio and ht the best ang harman for me. wala lang special dsp modes gaya ng iba. pero meron kang triple cross over settings na wala ata sa marantz. pero hindi ko na audition ang marantz, yamaha, onkyo and hk lang pinag pilian ko dati.
Title: Re: Harman Kardon avr 135 versus Marantz sr4500
Post by: backdraft on Feb 09, 2006 at 01:54 PM
Try architectural audio at Greenbelt 1. They have the lowest price for the HK. About 18,+++ lang.  ;D
Title: Re: Harman Kardon avr 135 versus Marantz sr4500
Post by: BongerDude on Feb 13, 2006 at 05:42 PM
naudition mo yung 2 receiver on same listening area? same speakers? same source?

Yes bro. Lamang lang marantz sa dahil 7.1 sya at classic ang itsura. pero pre walang binatbat. 100 watts per channel daw sa marantz sr4500, sa HK135 40w per chan lng. pero mas maganda, mas malakas ang tunog ng HK. mas mahal lng ng 2k.

kaya ko nagtatanong kc pinagpipilian ko silang dalawa. in the end, for me... HK won me.

I love my new toy.. HK135   :)
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: shotgun on Feb 13, 2006 at 05:49 PM
Looks like nakabili ka na pare.. how much did you get the HK 135 for?
Title: Re: Rotel RA-03 vs. Cambridge Azur 640A
Post by: juvinyl on Feb 14, 2006 at 08:18 PM
Classicman,

Nice pics of your speakers.  How's your listening sessions?  Hehe.  Medyo OT na.   ;D ;D ;D

Anyway going back to the topic, you better decide right now on the rotel ra-03.  My rotel-ra03 with b&w 705 is a perfect combination and all I can say, the sound is breathtaking... :) :)  8) 8)  Or maybe if you can wait for 2 years, I will be upgrading to rb-1080 and I'll be selling my 03. ;D ;D. 

Go for the rotel and you won't get wrong.
Title: Re: Rotel RA-03 vs. Cambridge Azur 640A
Post by: classicman on Feb 14, 2006 at 09:10 PM
Classicman,

Nice pics of your speakers.  How's your listening sessions?  Hehe.  Medyo OT na.   ;D ;D ;D

Anyway going back to the topic, you better decide right now on the rotel ra-03.  My rotel-ra03 with b&w 705 is a perfect combination and all I can say, the sound is breathtaking... :) :)  8) 8)  Or maybe if you can wait for 2 years, I will be upgrading to rb-1080 and I'll be selling my 03. ;D ;D. 

Go for the rotel and you won't get wrong.


bai juvinyl,


the session last saturday went smoothly, sayang you were not aound....... 8)


just sell your RA-03 to me for P15k, hehehe ;D ;D ;D & you upgrade to RA-1070 then replace your defective NAD cdp w/ an RCD-1072 para match na match, it will make your 705 really sing :D
Title: Re: Rotel RA-03 vs. Cambridge Azur 640A
Post by: brandon on Feb 15, 2006 at 05:16 PM

bai juvinyl,


the session last saturday went smoothly, sayang you were not aound....... 8)


just sell your RA-03 to me for P15k, hehehe ;D ;D ;D & you upgrade to RA-1070 then replace your defective NAD cdp w/ an RCD-1072 para match na match, it will make your 705 really sing :D

Bai juvinyl,

Classicman's setup is very good.  Just needs some rearrangement, setup tweaks
and acoustic treatment to maximize sound quality. Went there last Saturday to listen to his CDM1SE's.
Ikaw bai, can we audition your 700 series?  I would gladly listen to them to see how they compare
with my 600 series. :)

You and classicman are also invited to my place.  Just give me a text. I know its a lower model
than both of your 700 series and classicman's CDM1SE's but I assure you my humongous
B&W 604 s3's sound awesome... :)  Classicman has my new mobile number if you are interested.

Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: momots on Feb 16, 2006 at 01:42 AM
Sayang pala bili ko sa Marantz SR4500 kala ko ganda na tunog lalo na sa audio.
La pala binatbat maski lakas ng output  ng amps. May pre outs etc. Super siguro tunog ng 135 kung na lampaso 4500 na  katunog ng sr5500 na ganda din tunog sa audio at movies.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: BongerDude on Feb 16, 2006 at 10:50 AM
Sayang pala bili ko sa Marantz SR4500 kala ko ganda na tunog lalo na sa audio.
La pala binatbat maski lakas ng output  ng amps. May pre outs etc. Super siguro tunog ng 135 kung na lampaso 4500 na  katunog ng sr5500 na ganda din tunog sa audio at movies.

Bro ndi sayang bili mo dyan. atleast kumpleto sa pre outs yang marantz mo. tska ok rin naman yan eh. narinig ko yan using mordaunt short carnivals ok naman din. tsaka subjectiv naman yan eh, baka for you mas ok tunog ng marantz sr4500 kesa sa HK135. wag mo pagsisihan yan bro. ok yang marantz mo.

ienjoy mo yang preouts mo...maaappreciate mo yan pagdating ng panahon.sa HK 135 wala eh, sub lang
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: momots on Feb 16, 2006 at 02:43 PM
Sabagay mas mellow lang dating ng marantz sa napansin ko medyo mas dynamic ata o mas my bite ang hk.
ty
Title: Re: Rotel RA-03 vs. Cambridge Azur 640A
Post by: juvinyl on Feb 16, 2006 at 07:10 PM
Brandon,

I'm sorry I missed the invitation.  Maybe we can arrange for the audition of your 604 s3 next time.  Actually, that was my direction before but changed and decided to go a little higher for the 705.  The setup is mainly used for 2 channel music listening.  My 705 is being powered by rotel ra-03 with NAD c542 cdp and denon tt as the sources.

Before I used to have my 602 s3 but disposed them.  I missed the sound of the 602s but no regret having upgraded to 705.  602s are similar to your 604 less bass.

classicman just disclosed his incomng project for his HT yesterday.  He hired me as the planner/designer and acoustics consultant.  he he  ;)  Maybe you can help us build his theater kaso lang FOC (free of charge).  ;D ;D ;D.  Pero, okey lang, this is the learning curve, and when you put your own, you can already do away with your mistakes and improve it.

Classicman no offense, but promise, let's do it right the very first time.   8)
Title: Re: Rotel RA-03 vs. Cambridge Azur 640A
Post by: brandon on Feb 17, 2006 at 04:05 PM
Bai juvinyl,

Actually, the sound of my 604's in my current Prologic II set up (5.1)
reminds me of Soundroom's B&W 801's... eeriely 'live'. :)
 
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: MAtZTER on Feb 17, 2006 at 05:27 PM
I saw the Yamaha 2600 yesterday at LIS.
With HDMI interface & upscaling!
with selectable posts for bi amping!
Burr brown DAC! lumalaban na Yamaha sa Audio!
Multi awarded daw sabi ni JR.

Its rated at 500w power consumption. But its at 1100w max power consumption. Its also heavy, about 38-40 lbs.

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b290/mhyap/Misc/2600.jpg)
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b290/mhyap/Misc/y2600.jpg)

Since its THX certified and one of the criteria is "'The power amplifiers should be unconditionally stable, have a power output in excess of 100W per channel into 8 ohms, have low distortion and wide dynamic range". The quote is from Lucasfilm's Home THX Design And Licensing Manual.

I think maybe that its the lower models (RXV 35x to 750) that really lack power or share their posted power ratings from 2 channels (from what I read in many posts and links).

Or else di papasa sa THX mga models na to, di ba? I was just wondering. Since there has been a lot of comparing with Yamaha's (boosted) power rating in this thread (me included  ;D ).



Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: sillyputty on Feb 17, 2006 at 05:35 PM
magkano naman kaya ito...


**matz...benta mo ba yung hk mo?  ;D
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: fweyd on Feb 17, 2006 at 06:18 PM
ask ko lang mga sir.. Im planning on getting a reciever soon.. kakabit ko ung 5.1 speakers ko..

then from my DVD player, kabit ko ung Coaxial Out to Coaxial In sa AVR.. so ok na dba ?? 5.1 surround na..

kaso if i use the Stereo RCA CD Jack para kabit ko from my PC to the AVR.. ang tutunog lang ba ung Front Left and Right speakers lang ?? hnd tutunog yung iba ??
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: MAtZTER on Feb 18, 2006 at 12:57 PM
magkano naman kaya ito...

**matz...benta mo ba yung hk mo?  ;D

80k!!! pero may discount pag cash, mga 60+k din.

Benta HK? nope. dont think so. Sa tunog (at porma) pa lang ng HK, matagal pa ako saka bibili ng bago.  ;D

Pero pag bibilhin mo sa akin ng 60k papayag ako  :D jk
Title: Re: Rotel RA-03 vs. Cambridge Azur 640A
Post by: classicman on Feb 18, 2006 at 03:05 PM
Bai juvinyl,

Classicman's setup is very good.  Just needs some rearrangement, setup tweaks
and acoustic treatment to maximize sound quality. Went there last Saturday to listen to his CDM1SE's.
Ikaw bai, can we audition your 700 series?  I would gladly listen to them to see how they compare
with my 600 series. :)

You and classicman are also invited to my place.  Just give me a text. I know its a lower model
than both of your 700 series and classicman's CDM1SE's but I assure you my humongous
B&W 604 s3's sound awesome... :)  Classicman has my new mobile number if you are interested.




bai brandon,


thanks for your comment & suggestions, will certainly consider them ;).......if it's ok w/ you sa inyo ang next session, hehehe ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Rotel RA-03 vs. Cambridge Azur 640A
Post by: brandon on Feb 20, 2006 at 12:14 PM

bai brandon,


thanks for your comment & suggestions, will certainly consider them ;).......if it's ok w/ you sa inyo ang next session, hehehe ;D ;D ;D

Sure, ok ra bai classicman.  Just text me.
Ok ra sad kung sa ila bai juvinyl ta una.
Do text me if he's ok for an audition.
As for me, I'm ok Saturdays/Sundays/Holidays.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: fweyd on Feb 26, 2006 at 10:32 PM
What about Denon amps ?? Are they good rin ba ??
Title: Re: Harman Kardon avr 135 versus Marantz sr4500
Post by: knefut on Feb 27, 2006 at 01:50 PM
TRy mo sa watt hi fi, MCS, mas mababa price ng HK 135.

am happy with my HK135 eh, mas mahal lang kuha ko last Dec 05. Sulit naman.


Just me.

sir, san ba yung watt hi fi MCS?
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: jerix on Feb 27, 2006 at 02:14 PM

Its rated at 500w power consumption. But its at 1100w max power consumption. Its also heavy, about 38-40 lbs.

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b290/mhyap/Misc/2600.jpg)
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b290/mhyap/Misc/y2600.jpg)



Its 500 w power consumption but rated at 180 w x 7 ?

Does the power issue here really matters?
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: av_phile1 on Feb 27, 2006 at 05:28 PM
Not really.  Just a computational absurdity.   An electrical  power input of 500 watts just doesn't square nicely with a published signal output of 1,260 watts, is it??  ;D  Then again, they probabaly were just hyping, as is often the case.  The receiver can't give out more than what it took.  So for total RMS or sustained continuous power of all the channels, just be giuded by the power input limits.  The rating was mostly likely taken not with all 7 channels driven in a full bandwidth.  Just in stereo.  That would square nicely with the max power input plus allowance for power wasted in heat.    ;D
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: ricky on Feb 27, 2006 at 08:19 PM
Not really.  Just a computational absurdity.   An electrical  power input of 500 watts just doesn't square nicely with a published signal output of 1,260 watts, is it??  ;D  Then again, they probabaly were just hyping, as is often the case.  The receiver can't give out more than what it took.  So for total RMS or sustained continuous power of all the channels, just be giuded by the power input limits.  The rating was mostly likely taken not with all 7 channels driven in a full bandwidth.  Just in stereo.  That would square nicely with the max power input plus allowance for power wasted in heat.    ;D

correct si av phile since my rotel 5x100w has an 800WATTS power consumption ;D high current pa so i need a voltage regulator of 1500watts to power this amp  continuously without damaging the regulator :P
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: hattori_hanzo on Mar 01, 2006 at 01:29 AM
Thats the problem with newer Yamaha model this days, they tend to enflame the numerics into oversize proportions, unlike their previous model...

take a look at this example...

model: Yamaha RX-V995  
yr. model: 2000
max power consumption: 750Watts  
no of ch: 5/ch .1
wt: 14.1kg

model: Yamaha RX-V750
yr. model: 2005
power consumption: 440watts  
no of ch: 7/ch .1
wt: 12.5kg

note: 750 users manual did not put the max power consumption dont know why, it only indicates 440watts into 7 channels pa, ciguro highcurrent daw... remember mas maraming features ang 750 so the higher the power demand. notice also the weight? sabi nila mas integrated ang 750 kaysa sa 995, pero for me nah! mas concentrated pa ciguro sila sa quality at simplicity noon, pero ngayon parang mas production na ang bilis pa magpalit ng model. kaya i seek to buy the 995 kahit 2nd hand lang dahil sa ganda ng user reviews plus the performance and quality, still can rival most newer yamaha models...     
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: jerix on Mar 01, 2006 at 07:29 AM
Talking about HYPING, does this really brings better sales to them? Now, if u are the sound engineer of the company will you recommend the same strategy?  ::)
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: hattori_hanzo on Mar 01, 2006 at 10:01 AM
Talking about HYPING, does this really brings better sales to them? Now, if u are the sound engineer of the company will you recommend the same strategy?  ::)

ala "BOSE" strategy... hehehe  :D
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: MAtZTER on Mar 01, 2006 at 10:30 AM
Talking about HYPING, does this really brings better sales to them? Now, if u are the sound engineer of the company will you recommend the same strategy?  ::)

I read an article in audioholics where Yamaha's "hype" strategy was revealed by a former yamaha engineer. It was an article comparing the power ratings of receivers. click here (http://www.audioholics.com/techtips/audioprinciples/amplifiers/allchannelsdriven.php)

Does it bring better sales to them? I think the answer is yes.

I for one, when I was a newbie, frowned upon HK's 40wpc compared to Yamaha's 95wpc, and chose the latter for its so called power rating (and price).
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: av_phile1 on Mar 01, 2006 at 03:28 PM
Talking about HYPING, does this really brings better sales to them? Now, if u are the sound engineer of the company will you recommend the same strategy?  ::)

It's a observable market trait that numbers can impress, the higher the better. Which is probably why those fantastic P.M.P.O numbers continue to this day.   Knowing this, the hyping is not made by the sound engineers of a brand.  It is more made by their marketing strategists, sometimes without the knowledge of or against the technical people's better judgement.   ;D

Unlike in the past when Stereo power rating is regulated by an industry standard like the FCC, current multichannlel amps and receivers are not.  Brands are free to rate their power with whatever they think will better sell to a sadly misinformed market. 

Soem brands like NAD, HK, Bryston, Aragon, Musical Fidelity, etc, have stuck to the old CONSERVATIVE way of rating their gears that hue closely to the stringent FCC regulations for stereo, extending those rules to multichannel power rating.  But the more mass products can deviate from that using less stringent standards that can make the playing field less than even. 
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: allan1836 on Mar 02, 2006 at 03:20 AM
In my opinion, conservative power (watts) rating is also a marketing strategy "in reverse".
I remember when I was still in car audio in the mid 90's, we consider amplifier brands with conservative wattage ratings but wth actual higher output to be the one to buy. Such as rockford, orion, ppi, have made huge followings around the world with this marketing "hype". In the home arena, names such as NAD, HK and ADCOM comes to mind and they stress this in their ads.
I think it really depends on the experience and knowledgeability of the buyer to choose an over rated or under rated amp/receiver. Unfortunately, the over hype products usually gets the first attention but eventually the "real" ( read: with balls!) amp/receiver gets the loyal cult followings. 

Just my thought ... ::)
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: aHobbit on Mar 02, 2006 at 03:47 PM
In my opinion, conservative power (watts) rating is also a marketing strategy "in reverse".
I remember when I was still in car audio in the mid 90's, we consider amplifier brands with conservative wattage ratings but wth actual higher output to be the one to buy. Such as rockford, orion, ppi, have made huge followings around the world with this marketing "hype". In the home arena, names such as NAD, HK and ADCOM comes to mind and they stress this in their ads.

Correct ka dyan!  ;)
It is also a marketing strategy "in reverse" - reverse psycho.
I remember when am scouting for my receiver - finally compared 630 to a 40W HK. Having read the plate mark and read that it pumps 37.5Wpc into 6ch. the 40W HK cost so much compared with 630 and yet the features (eg pre-out etc) is not so much compared to 630. 40W HK is no different from 37.5 Yammie even if yammie touted itself 80wpc on paper. Thus, 40w HK is of no advantage over 630 on sheer power alone.


I think it really depends on the experience and knowledgeability of the buyer to choose an over rated or under rated amp/receiver. Unfortunately, the over hype products usually gets the first attention but eventually the "real" ( read: with balls!) amp/receiver gets the loyal cult followings. 

Some people buys based on perception - some on weights, some on ad papers. At the end of the day, it is the level of knowledge & experience of the buyer which dictate his purchase and to suffer the consequence later. For the manufacturer, those that hype are reaping the rewards of their ads. That's what they are there for.  ;D  If the reverse psycho is working for the manufacturers, then good for them - it was also made by marketing guys  ;D  ;D  ;D. So beware on both manufacturers - they made their ads to attract you to release your money.
Title: Re: Rotel RA-03 vs. Cambridge Azur 640A
Post by: juvinyl on Mar 10, 2006 at 11:51 AM
hi brandon and classicman,

You guys been silent for a long time.  How u doin'?

Brandon, payag na ako doon tayo sa inyo mauna audition on your 604.  I heard your listening your music in a pro logic mode.  Wow, that's 5.1 channels.  Before, I used to run my music this way, pero, nagsawa na rin ako.  imagine all the 6 channels are directed to your ears simultaneously with the 604 in fronts.  So as not to be OT, I might bring my ra-03 with me so that we can audition it with your...what?  I believe your 604s are elephant to my ra-03. ;D ;D ;D.

Just text me.
Title: harman 235 vs denon 1706?!?!?
Post by: elvenears on Mar 12, 2006 at 10:35 AM
im planning to buy any one of the two so the question is "why would you prefer one over the other?and why?"thanks for the replies ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: harman 235 vs denon 1706?!?!?
Post by: knefut on Mar 12, 2006 at 12:58 PM
maybe the 1906 will be a better rival than the 1706 to the Harman Kardon 235 sir.
Title: Re: harman 235 vs denon 1706?!?!?
Post by: spy45cal on Mar 12, 2006 at 04:12 PM
IMHO, i'll go for 235 if budget allows... ;D Dilemma ko rin yan before but i'll go for 235 kasi may complete pre-outs na sya for future upgrades... ;D For me kasi mas makakatipid ako if i only buy a power amp rather than to buy another avr... ;D
Title: Re: harman 235 vs denon 1706?!?!?
Post by: knefut on Mar 12, 2006 at 10:30 PM
1906 has also complete preouts. maybe the same league as the 235. it may be a choice between audio and HT use again sir.
Title: Re: harman 235 vs denon 1706?!?!?
Post by: elvenears on Mar 13, 2006 at 07:53 PM
sirs 50/50 nga pala ang application...salamat sa mga replies but it really boils down to the budget...sa pagkaka-alam ko mag-ka presyo lang tong dalawang receivers na to...ang hirap mag decide....nakukurta na yung utak ko ??? ??? ??? ;D
Title: Re: harman 235 vs denon 1706?!?!?
Post by: ricky on Mar 13, 2006 at 10:46 PM
Go for the hk ;D
Title: Re: harman 235 vs denon 1706?!?!?
Post by: Dtug on Mar 13, 2006 at 11:48 PM
hk for me :)  I went to Architectural Audio and was really surprised to see that they were using a 130 to drive the Concept 6 and other speakers.  That just shows how confident they are with the brand imo.
Title: Re: harman 235 vs denon 1706?!?!?
Post by: knefut on Mar 14, 2006 at 04:46 PM
the 1706 is under 20k and 235 is about 25k sir.

ako rin, i can't decide whether to get the 235 or the 1906, since they are in the same league i guess.
Title: Re: harman 235 vs denon 1706?!?!?
Post by: Platinum on Mar 14, 2006 at 05:07 PM
I auditioned 1905 and 330 before. But settled for the Denon.
If you like power, go for HK. Denon sounds "swabe" even at higher volume.
My ear feels irritated with the HK at high volume. Bottomline: YOUR OWN EARS DECIDE!  :)
Title: Re: harman 235 vs denon 1706?!?!?
Post by: MAtZTER on Mar 14, 2006 at 05:52 PM
 I just talked with the higher ranking guys of the distributor of HK & JBL recently. They were the ones who carried Denon before and one of the reasons they discontinued carrying Denon was because they had difficulty in getting parts from the mother company. So you might have difficulty with Denon in terms of service.

I would go for HK. Then just get a decent 2 channel power amp. HK sound good even at low volumes. And it doesnt have problems driving hard to drive speakers, specially the higher models. And for me, its got the killer looks too, specially the blue lights, COOL!

Also, let me share an experience I had that I wrote in the HK thread:

Quote
Just to share....

I auditioned an Infinity Beta HCS set last month and it sounded like they were BIG speakers. They were connected to a HK635 that time. Very impressive compact 5.1  speaker system.

I came back after a few weeks to listen to it again and it sounded quite bright. I didnt notice but it turns out that it was connected to a HK235 that time.

The manager explained to me (in short) that the more power the receiver has, the warmer it tends to sound. He also said that Model 330/335 to 630/635 have warmer sound than the 135-235.
Title: Re: harman 235 vs denon 1706?!?!?
Post by: elvenears on Mar 14, 2006 at 08:26 PM
mga sir may nag pm sakin nito (di ko na sasabihin kung sino)!!ano po ang reaction nyo tungkol dito!!sabi nya      "sir the difference between the two amp is that harman uses high current while the denon uses peak power rating. for example if you're going to use it to wharfedale speakers, the sensitivity of the speaker is around 86dB which is hard to drive so this requires a high current amp to drive this speaker.

if harman says that 40W it is really 40W from start til end continuous 40W consistent power going out to the speaker.

if denon says that 100W then the actual power is below 100W, the 100W is peak power, then the power going out to the speaker still changes. its like the heart beat of a person it kept on changing. "

      kung totoo to di ba parang PMPO na din ang sukatan ng denon?!?!paki linaw naman po to especially dun sa mga HK users,i mean being bias aside totoo ba to!?!?? ???
Title: Re: harman 235 vs denon 1706?!?!?
Post by: BongerDude on Mar 14, 2006 at 10:53 PM
Onga dapat 1906 versus 235.

Bro totoo ung cnsabi ng nag pm sayo. Although di ko alam ang technical side, at least alam ko kung ano mas maganda tumunog when i hear it.

ang 40w ng harman katumbas 80-100w ng iba like marantz atpb.

Try mo pakinggan pareho. Iba talaga si Harman bro. pero baka para sayo iba. Kung pareho lang sa features, trust ur ears na lang.
Title: Re: harman 235 vs denon 1706?!?!?
Post by: sillyputty on Mar 14, 2006 at 11:53 PM
I used to own a denon 1803 driving a wharf 8.4...
it sounded good enough to my newbie ears..but when I heard the hk avr325 driving the 8.4...I went with hk.
mas buo ang tunog. pero baka sa matching lang ng components.

if you want to get the denon try pairing it with mission speakers...there was a lot of owners that had denon/mission combo the last few years...di ko lang alam kung nagka-SARS na at nagpalithehehe
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: MAtZTER on Mar 15, 2006 at 11:49 AM
I am using Mission and HK, its a good match. Ganda ng tunog.
Title: Re: harman 235 vs denon 1706?!?!?
Post by: aHobbit on Mar 15, 2006 at 12:38 PM
mga sir may nag pm sakin nito (di ko na sasabihin kung sino)!!ano po ang reaction nyo tungkol dito!!sabi nya      "sir the difference between the two amp is that harman uses high current while the denon uses peak power rating. for example if you're going to use it to wharfedale speakers, the sensitivity of the speaker is around 86dB which is hard to drive so this requires a high current amp to drive this speaker.

if harman says that 40W it is really 40W from start til end continuous 40W consistent power going out to the speaker.

if denon says that 100W then the actual power is below 100W, the 100W is peak power, then the power going out to the speaker still changes. its like the heart beat of a person it kept on changing. "

      kung totoo to di ba parang PMPO na din ang sukatan ng denon?!?!paki linaw naman po to especially dun sa mga HK users,i mean being bias aside totoo ba to!?!?? ???


same as this one ...

Correct ka dyan!  ;)
It is also a marketing strategy "in reverse" - reverse psycho.
I remember when am scouting for my receiver - finally compared 630 to a 40W HK. Having read the plate mark and read that it pumps 37.5Wpc into 6ch. the 40W HK cost so much compared with 630 and yet the features (eg pre-out etc) is not so much compared to 630. 40W HK is no different from 37.5 Yammie even if yammie touted itself 80wpc on paper. Thus, 40w HK is of no advantage over 630 on sheer power alone.


Some people buys based on perception - some on weights, some on ad papers. At the end of the day, it is the level of knowledge & experience of the buyer which dictate his purchase and to suffer the consequence later. For the manufacturer, those that hype are reaping the rewards of their ads. That's what they are there for.  ;D  If the reverse psycho is working for the manufacturers, then good for them - it was also made by marketing guys  ;D  ;D  ;D. So beware on both manufacturers - they made their ads to attract you to release your money.

1706/1906 and 235 are basically on the same level, power-wise. HK uses accurate power measurement on all ch as mktg ploy. Denon, like other receivers make use of the max RMS power (in 2 ch) mktg ploy - which will pump basically 40W per ch with all channels driven. The high current is nothing if both amps can supply 40w/ch with all ch driven. But if you believe the Denon ploy of 100w per ch, then denon gets your money - if you hail the true power measurment mktg ploy, HK wins ur money. In either case, Harman Intl wins (I encounter before both brands were owned by same company  ;D including marantz).

At the end of the day, it is your ears, its aesthetics/features to your eyes and your pocket to be the determining factor which one to get.

Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: elvenears on Mar 15, 2006 at 07:32 PM
ok medyo naintindihan ko na yung ibang aspects tungkol dito..... 70-30 na ako ngayon,70% hk : 30% denon  ;D...........off to a new topic then mga sir...im taking into consideration din kasi yung auto set up eh......again hk users being bias aside ano sa tingin nyo yung mas maganda .....kasi sa denon may mic as compared to hk na nasa remote lang ?is this auto set up really reliable or do i still have to recalibrate it after the set up ?.....isa pa kung sinasabi nyo na ang denon 1906 ay much better comparison sa  hk 235, does this mean na ang parang counterpart ng denon 1706 ay hk 135?thanks again
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: BongerDude on Mar 16, 2006 at 01:42 AM
Sa tingin ko oo, 135 vs 1706. pareho silang walang pre outs. tapos 235 vs 1906. Kamusta ba tumunog denon?
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: BongerDude on Mar 16, 2006 at 01:54 AM
Mga bros, kamusta performance ng yamaha rx-v657 campared sa HK 135 o 235? tsaka sa price? yung HK 135 nasa 17-19K then ung 235 around 26k. yung yamaha magkano? wala kasi kong time lumabas sobrang busy. salamat po sa mga magrereply
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: chatstix on Mar 16, 2006 at 07:53 AM
Mga bros, kamusta performance ng yamaha rx-v657 campared sa HK 135 o 235? tsaka sa price? yung HK 135 nasa 17-19K then ung 235 around 26k. yung yamaha magkano? wala kasi kong time lumabas sobrang busy. salamat po sa mga magrereply

i'm a happy owner of the rx-v657 for about 4 mos. now. my previous avr is the hk230. i'm using diamond 9.1 as fronts, diamond 9 cs for center, and some generic but heavy cube speakers as surrounds. when it comes to ht/movie sounds, the yammy is outstanding. sa music, ok na ok na rin for me. mas maganda pa rin ang hk when it comes to power and purity sa music. if you don't have a 'picky' ear for music, you won't notice the difference. im my opinion, yamaha has made serious improvements to the audio performance of their higher rx-v series (pero depende pa rin sa matching ng components mo esp. the speakers). on aesthetics and audio/music sound, mas pogi talaga ang hk.  :)

pasyal ka sa spectra, i think they have the units you're inquiring ready for demo and let your ears decide.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: BongerDude on Mar 18, 2006 at 09:03 PM
i'm a happy owner of the rx-v657 for about 4 mos. now. my previous avr is the hk230. i'm using diamond 9.1 as fronts, diamond 9 cs for center, and some generic but heavy cube speakers as surrounds. when it comes to ht/movie sounds, the yammy is outstanding. sa music, ok na ok na rin for me. mas maganda pa rin ang hk when it comes to power and purity sa music. if you don't have a 'picky' ear for music, you won't notice the difference. im my opinion, yamaha has made serious improvements to the audio performance of their higher rx-v series (pero depende pa rin sa matching ng components mo esp. the speakers). on aesthetics and audio/music sound, mas pogi talaga ang hk.  :)

pasyal ka sa spectra, i think they have the units you're inquiring ready for demo and let your ears decide.

Thanks bro ha. Additional tanong lang... Anong meron yang rx-v657 na wala sa 230 mo at pinalitan mo sya?
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: chatstix on Mar 19, 2006 at 08:22 AM
Sir, mas madalas lang ako manood ng movie at concerts ngayon kesa makinig ng audio/music. :)
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: BongerDude on Mar 19, 2006 at 09:19 PM
Sir, mas madalas lang ako manood ng movie at concerts ngayon kesa makinig ng audio/music. :)

Salamat po sir! So pag HT, better ang yammy.Pag audio lang, HK. Pag 50-50?
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: chatstix on Mar 20, 2006 at 08:42 AM
Salamat po sir! So pag HT, better ang yammy.Pag audio lang, HK. Pag 50-50?

actually, ang hk kunt tutuusin eh 50-50 siya for ht and audio. mas maganda nga lang talaga ang yammy pagdating sa ht. :)
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: spy45cal on Mar 21, 2006 at 06:59 AM
actually, ang hk kunt tutuusin eh 50-50 siya for ht and audio. mas maganda nga lang talaga ang yammy pagdating sa ht. :)

Bullseye... :)
Kung HT talaga hilig mo go for Yammy... ;D Kung 50/50 go for HK... ;D (IMHO)
For me wala pa rin tatalo sa HK.... ;D Kasi naka HK ako.... ;D hehehehe... ;D
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: newbie pa rin on Mar 21, 2006 at 01:34 PM
Sir, mas madalas lang ako manood ng movie at concerts ngayon kesa makinig ng audio/music. :)

Much better to choose a Yamaha.
You'll be surprised how well a Yamaha is for HT.
Hindi mo pagsisisihan.

Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: hattori_hanzo on Mar 21, 2006 at 03:33 PM
Much better to choose a Yamaha.
You'll be surprised how well a Yamaha is for HT.
Hindi mo pagsisisihan.



Aayy! 2nd d motione, I agree with sir newbie... hehehe!
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: BongerDude on Mar 21, 2006 at 06:05 PM
Salamat s mga reply mga bro. Naka HK na ko. Pero mukha kasing maganda reviews ng rx-v657. Salamat sa mga inputs!
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: john5479 on Mar 21, 2006 at 06:45 PM
get a yammie with pre-outs, you can always add an external amp and take advantage of the processing capabilities :)
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: classicman on Mar 21, 2006 at 07:24 PM
get a yammie with pre-outs, you can always add an external amp and take advantage of the processing capabilities :)


IMHO, this is one of the better routes to enjoy the best of both worlds (HT & audio)........ 8)
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: newbie pa rin on Mar 22, 2006 at 09:45 AM
get a yammie with pre-outs, you can always add an external amp and take advantage of the processing capabilities :)

This is the best solution especially kung HT talaga ang gusto mo.

Unless you've gone into music before im sure if you choose a setup for HT only you'll be disappointed because darating ang time na makakahiligan mo rin ang music.

I'm using an HK kasi hindi ako makapaghintay na pang HT lang ma-appreciate ko.
Sa HK im enjoying both worlds pero may compromise.
The good thing is there would always be some compromise in your setup.
Less kung HT ka lang.

IMO
Dapat kasi dalawa ang setup mo to enjoy both worlds.
Pag dating din sa music you would need to choose between a floorstander and a bookshelf-sub combo.
Meron pa ring compromise either way you choose.
Bottomline is...kung kuntento ka naman sa tunog ng gears mo either HT and/or music better for you.
Contentment is always the key.
Otherwise mapupuno ang bahay mo ng ibat-ibang gears(kung may pambili).
But you wont be satisfied.
Kasi laging may kulang.
 
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: MAtZTER on Mar 22, 2006 at 11:19 AM
In my experience kasi and from the experience of many members I met. It is a usual occurence that you first start with HT. Then since you have the gears and stuff, there is a big chance that your taste will evolve from HT to music. So we need to be wary of this factor.

I started with 80% HT and 20% music. Then one boring day I played a music CD, and BANG! the music bug got me. Now I am 50/50. I have been upgrading since, wanting to get a compromise of both. But in the end, I realized, along with the help of members like Hans Adrianne, that it would be best to have separate setup for HT and music. Para best talaga of both worlds. Gastos nga lang, but walang compromise.

get a yammie with pre-outs, you can always add an external amp and take advantage of the processing capabilities :)

I wish I realized this early in the hobby. Pero pogi kasi rin ng HK  :D

Quote
Contentment is always the key.
Otherwise mapupuno ang bahay mo ng ibat-ibang gears(kung may pambili).
But you wont be satisfied.
Kasi laging may kulang.

Excellently said! Salute!
  :)
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: arthurallanj on Mar 22, 2006 at 11:33 AM
In my experience kasi and from the experience of many members I met. It is a usual occurence that you first start with HT. Then since you have the gears and stuff, there is a big chance that your taste will evolve from HT to music. So we need to be wary of this factor.

I started with 80% HT and 20% music. Then one boring day I played a music CD, and BANG! the music bug got me. Now I am 50/50. I have been upgrading since, wanting to get a compromise of both. But in the end, I realized, along with the help of members like Hans Adrianne, that it would be best to have separate setup for HT and music. Para best talaga of both worlds. Gastos nga lang, but walang compromise.

I wish I realized this early in the hobby. Pero pogi kasi rin ng HK  :D

Excellently said! Salute!
  :)


This is the same experience I had. Although I still love HT, I also love listening to music, being a musician and all. The need for getting a separate Audio set up became apparent when I heard the difference when I listened to my audio cd's on my Yamaha HTs and the monitor set up for the production booth in my office. And to think we only have an entry level Pioneer amp paired with Daiichi CT-503s and SA-3s in our booth. The difference is very discernable. I'm still planning my future audio set ups these days. Nag iipon muna.  ;D
Title: Re: Rotel RA-03 vs. Cambridge Azur 640A
Post by: brandon on Mar 22, 2006 at 06:13 PM
hi brandon and classicman,

You guys been silent for a long time.  How u doin'?

Brandon, payag na ako doon tayo sa inyo mauna audition on your 604.  I heard your listening your music in a pro logic mode.  Wow, that's 5.1 channels.  Before, I used to run my music this way, pero, nagsawa na rin ako.  imagine all the 6 channels are directed to your ears simultaneously with the 604 in fronts.  So as not to be OT, I might bring my ra-03 with me so that we can audition it with your...what?  I believe your 604s are elephant to my ra-03. ;D ;D ;D.

Just text me.

Bai juvinyl,

Sent you a personal message.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: classicman on Mar 22, 2006 at 07:27 PM

IMHO, this is one of the better routes to enjoy the best of both worlds (HT & audio)........ 8)


i only used the phrase "one of the better routes" coz am well aware of the fact that the best route to enjoy both HT & audio is simply to have a separate set-up for them, no more no less....... 8)
Title: hk 335 or yammy 657?
Post by: ndy on Apr 02, 2006 at 05:34 PM
good day to all members!

please pm me ( to avoid long discussion and biased on this topic ) which gear will you choose?

and it will be use 50% ht and 50% music.

after a week ill post which gear won and hopefully i can decide na on what to buy. ;)

meron na ko gusto between the 2. gusto ko lang po inputs nyo.

please help. and sana di bawal tong post ko!

ndy







Title: Re: hk 335 or yammy 657?
Post by: ronjet on Apr 02, 2006 at 07:25 PM
sir. i'll pm you po my thought on that.
Title: Re: hk 335 or yammy 657?
Post by: b0ss_sa_b0ss on Apr 02, 2006 at 08:38 PM
sana hindi na lang through PM ang mga replies, for the newbies like me to get inputs as well. im planning to buy reciever din, choice ko ngayon yamaha 657.

ano ba current price ng both reciever.
Title: Re: hk 335 or yammy 657?
Post by: DVD_Freak on Apr 02, 2006 at 09:52 PM
Yup..kindly post na lang ang mga views niyo.  I'm planning to upgrade myself.

Thanks.
Title: Re: hk 335 or yammy 657?
Post by: barrister on Apr 02, 2006 at 10:42 PM
please pm me ( to avoid long discussion and biased on this topic ) which gear will you choose?

Sir, instead of PM, sana post na lang nila ang comments.  OK lang ang long discussion at OK din kahit biased.

A public discussion will benefit members like me who want to learn more by comparing opposing views.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: MAtZTER on Apr 03, 2006 at 12:00 PM
I came from using a Yamaha 650 and now using HK630. So IMO:

On 50% music 50% HT criteria alone, go for HK330. Sa alam ko the HK335 is the equivalent of the Yamaha 1500 already and the Yamaha 657 is the quivalent of the HK235.

But for the cost of the HK 330, another alternative would be to get a Yamaha 657 and get a good 2 channel power amp (maybe HK) to supplement the 657 in the power dept.,  w/c IMO (take note  :)) the Yamaha lacks, specially if you are using floorstanders, but the Yammy excels in HT.

Its a bit more complicated, but you get to have the best of both.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: MAtZTER on Apr 03, 2006 at 12:13 PM
Also, consider you music listening preferences and what speakers you are using.

You might be using bookshelf speakers and prefer to listen to bookshelf plus subs. In that case Yamaha may suffice.

But if you have floorstanders (or power hungry/ hard to drive speakers) or would prefer listening to floorstanders alone (like me), definitely get the HK. My floorstanders sounded thin with Yamaha before. Kelangan pa ng subs.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: ndy on Apr 03, 2006 at 04:13 PM
to all pdvd members,

ok po lets do it here na for the benefits ng lahat.

tnx na po sa mga unang nagcomment.

bibilangin ko na lang till sat who will win. so guys give your inputs na.

ndy
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: levi on Apr 03, 2006 at 05:41 PM
If 50-50 I will choose HK. But I suggest you make your own decision rather than relying on the number of  votes. Its you who will use the receiver and not us. Just consider the suggestion and advises but do your own audition then decide.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: ricky on Apr 03, 2006 at 09:48 PM
If 50-50 I will choose HK. But I suggest you make your own decision rather than relying on the number of  votes. Its you who will use the receiver and not us. Just consider the suggestion and advises but do your own audition then decide.

tama si sir levi ;) audition audition audition is still the best way to help you decide ;D
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: chatstix on Apr 04, 2006 at 08:05 AM
it really depends on your needs whenever you buy some equipment... yun bang tipong gagamitin mo lahat, if not most, ng features.. sayang naman kung bibili ka ng isang bagay then di mo naman pala magagamit or ma-maximize lahat ng features.

kung tingin mo mas mahilig ka manood ng movies, then go for the yamaha.

if you're more into music, go for the hk. as for the denon, wala pa ako experience to have it.

if you want the best of both worlds, then go with sir matzer's advice above.

most important is make a thorough audition/test if possible.

i'm a yamaha 657 user and i was an hk 230 owner before. the reason i went to yamaha is i like watching more than listening. plus if my taste change again from movies to audio, i could go with sir matzer's advice.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: newbie pa rin on Apr 04, 2006 at 10:31 AM
Go for a yammie,if you don't like it lets swap with my HK 235.
I'm also curious how a yamie would change my HT experience.

Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers (Receiver Upgarde)
Post by: lakambini on Apr 05, 2006 at 04:39 PM
Hello guys

Ask ko lang what ideal receiver to buy if I want to upgrade my onkyo tx-ds494.  Gusto ko try ko naman other brands like Marantz, Denon, HK or Yamaha.  What are the strenghts of each receiver?  Is it wise to buy an entry level or much wiser to go for the mid-range model?  The receiver will be partnered to wharfedale speakers.  My budget is 20k,  who's retailer that gives the best deal?
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: knefut on Apr 06, 2006 at 04:19 PM
Go for a yammie,if you don't like it lets swap with my HK 235.
I'm also curious how a yamie would change my HT experience.



really sir?

ilang buwan na ba 235 mo? complete with warranty, box and receipt?

i might consider...
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: dench on Apr 20, 2006 at 10:15 AM
Mga bros, kamusta performance ng yamaha rx-v657 campared sa HK 135 o 235? tsaka sa price? yung HK 135 nasa 17-19K then ung 235 around 26k. yung yamaha magkano? wala kasi kong time lumabas sobrang busy. salamat po sa mga magrereply


BongerDude, san ka nakakita ng 17k na HK 135? share mo naman please kung saan. thanks!
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: knefut on Apr 20, 2006 at 03:35 PM

BongerDude, san ka nakakita ng 17k na HK 135? share mo naman please kung saan. thanks!

lowest price i've canvassed is 18.4 at architectural audio for 135.
Title: Re: Rotel RA-03 vs. Cambridge Azur 640A
Post by: dench on Apr 25, 2006 at 05:56 PM
BTW, i got a price quote yesterday for these 2 amps from The Home Theater thru the kindness of sir Compaq, and they're just about even mas mahal lang ng konti ang Cambridge Azur 640A..... 8)

hi classicman,

can u PM me the price of the Cambridge and Rotel? Im also looking for an integrated amp din kasi. thanks!
Title: Re: Rotel RA-03 vs. Cambridge Azur 640A
Post by: classicman on Apr 27, 2006 at 09:55 PM
hi classicman,

can u PM me the price of the Cambridge and Rotel? Im also looking for an integrated amp din kasi. thanks!

dench,


post ko nalang dito (for the benefit of other members also) yung prices quoted to me last jan. 2006:  Rotel RA-03 is about Php25k, while Cambridge Azur 640A (version 1) is about Php27k :).......BTW, Rotel has just launched the 06 series & it might interest you to find out its specs, i don't know its price though or if it's already available here 8)
Title: Yamaha 657 vs HK 235
Post by: jeppoy on Apr 29, 2006 at 01:34 PM
Guys which o f the two receivers is better? Any feedback? I'm planning to get one soon. Thanks!
Title: Re: Yamaha 657 vs HK 235
Post by: knefut on Apr 29, 2006 at 09:35 PM
for HT? ---- Yamaha657

for audio? ---- HK235
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: jeppoy on May 03, 2006 at 09:35 PM
guys! feedback naman po dyan hk235 as against onkyo603. Tnx!
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Dracula on May 03, 2006 at 09:39 PM
guys! feedback naman po dyan hk235 as against onkyo603. Tnx!

Bro

HK235 definitely ;D good for both music and movies......a bit biased because I've always liked the harman receivers
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: c_rhomel on May 04, 2006 at 06:04 AM
Guys... got any feedback from ONKYO TX-SR503?
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: knefut on May 04, 2006 at 08:44 AM
guys! feedback naman po dyan hk235 as against onkyo603. Tnx!

hk235 sir!
everything's perfect ---- except the manual that definitely lacks real english. he he he
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: happyfische on May 08, 2006 at 09:42 AM
guys new  bie here, need ur help,

am planning to have my set-up
quite confused if i would just get an av receiver or mag pre amp, power amp, receiver set-up pa ako? i was planning to buy denon 3805 sana but was tempt by an offer of a friend to buy krell showcase pre/pro at less than 100k, was thinking of building my set-up base onn the krell, gonna use it for 60/40 ht/audio tnx,   HELP!!!!!
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: ricky on May 08, 2006 at 10:37 PM
guys new  bie here, need ur help,

am planning to have my set-up
quite confused if i would just get an av receiver or mag pre amp, power amp, receiver set-up pa ako? i was planning to buy denon 3805 sana but was tempt by an offer of a friend to buy krell showcase pre/pro at less than 100k, was thinking of building my set-up base onn the krell, gonna use it for 60/40 ht/audio tnx,   HELP!!!!!

WOW KRELL :o :o :o bro you cant go wrong with krells ;D if you have the budget go for it 8)
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: av_phile1 on May 09, 2006 at 11:05 AM
guys new  bie here, need ur help,

am planning to have my set-up
quite confused if i would just get an av receiver or mag pre amp, power amp, receiver set-up pa ako? i was planning to buy denon 3805 sana but was tempt by an offer of a friend to buy krell showcase pre/pro at less than 100k, was thinking of building my set-up base onn the krell, gonna use it for 60/40 ht/audio tnx,   HELP!!!!!

You gain more set-up flexibility and upgradeablity with true separates than taking the receiver route.  You can just add more power amps later if you need more channels, or bridge to get more power.  Then you can just chage the preamp if there are new audio formats to decodes.  Just my thoughts.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: jeppoy on May 09, 2006 at 12:15 PM
You gain more set-up flexibility and upgradeablity with true separates than taking the receiver route.  You can just add more power amps later if you need more channels, or bridge to get more power.  Then you can just chage the preamp if there are new audio formats to decodes.  Just my thoughts.

Bro what do you mean? With your input, what's the best possible setup? Is it good to buy a receiver like Yamaha 657 and connect to pre amps to get more power? Btw, I'm just a newbie and I really want to learn or maximize resources for a good ht/stereo setup. Thanks! :)
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: av_phile1 on May 09, 2006 at 01:07 PM
True separates mean using separate Preamp/Processors and using  multichannel power amps, multiple mono block or stereo power amplifiers.  You can also use receivers as your preamp/processor provided they have multichannel pre-outs.  The set-up is more complex. Definitely, a single reciever contaiing the preamp/prcessors and the power ampa are more convienient.  But you're limited to the power offered by the receiver and once a section in , say the processor needs to be repaired, you'll have to take out the whole thing.  Whereas in separates, you only need to have the preamp repaired. Also, if there are new audio formats in the industry, you can just replace or upgrade the preamp.  For recievers, unless they can be firmware upgraded, you may have to junk the whole receiver.  And if there's a problem with one amp, you can just take it out for repair, not the whole receiver.

For many, you can do mix and match between preamp and power amp.  Some use Krell or Rotel Preamps mated with Bryston, Aragon or HK and NAD power amps.  You have a lot more options to tailor suit your set-up.  Plus, the power amps can be located in another rack section far from preamps so they don't get heated that much.  Receiver preamps get heated by their proximity with power amps. 
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: MAtZTER on May 10, 2006 at 11:19 AM
My brod in law asked me to assemble a setup for him so I had the chance weeks ago to fiddle around with his separate tuner (NAD) before I turned it over to him .

I was surprised with the quality of the sound as compared to my receiver's tuner. It was definitely clearer and it sounded great, just a notch below CD quality. Then looking at the tuner's casing (as big as a CD player), I concluded that it must be due to all the electronics in the casing that enhances the tuner's quality, Whereas in a receiver, the tuner is only a "bonus" and I was told that the electronics for the tuner in a AVR is very very small.

Now I am a believer in separates!
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: oweidah on May 11, 2006 at 08:25 PM
My brod in law asked me to assemble a setup for him so I had the chance weeks ago to fiddle around with his separate tuner (NAD) before I turned it over to him .

I was surprised with the quality of the sound as compared to my receiver's tuner. It was definitely clearer and it sounded great, just a notch below CD quality. Then looking at the tuner's casing (as big as a CD player), I concluded that it must be due to all the electronics in the casing that enhances the tuner's quality, Whereas in a receiver, the tuner is only a "bonus" and I was told that the electronics for the tuner in a AVR is very very small.

Now I am a believer in separates!

 8) 8) 8)
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: av_phile1 on May 12, 2006 at 10:23 AM
My brod in law asked me to assemble a setup for him so I had the chance weeks ago to fiddle around with his separate tuner (NAD) before I turned it over to him .

I was surprised with the quality of the sound as compared to my receiver's tuner. It was definitely clearer and it sounded great, just a notch below CD quality. Then looking at the tuner's casing (as big as a CD player), I concluded that it must be due to all the electronics in the casing that enhances the tuner's quality, Whereas in a receiver, the tuner is only a "bonus" and I was told that the electronics for the tuner in a AVR is very very small.

Now I am a believer in separates!

That often accounts why separates are more expensive.  The Rotel tuner at SOund Dimension is tagged almost  like a mid-price receiver.   They use discrete componentry while receivers usually have just a chip or two for their tuner section.  I need not talk about separate preamp/processors and separate monoblock power amps or stereo power amps.  Specialization has its advantages.   OFcourse exceptions may be found in flagship receivers.   ;D

Actually, according to some forums, the tuner and the amps are so generic and easily made, that they are thrown in more as bonus.  With today's digitally processed sound and video, a good HT receiver is more a computerized preamp/processor with tuners and amps thrown in.   This is more a product mix meant to target the mass market that do not patronize separate preamps/processors, tuners and amps which belong to a niche market of serious audiophiles.  Hardly anyone in the mass market get separate devices.  A preamp/processor with tuners and amps attract a larger market than separates do.  That's why receivers abound, maybe 1000 to 1 or more, compared to separates.   And large scale mass production guarantees their greater affordability.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: aHobbit on May 12, 2006 at 12:47 PM
My brod in law asked me to assemble a setup for him so I had the chance weeks ago to fiddle around with his separate tuner (NAD) before I turned it over to him .

I was surprised with the quality of the sound as compared to my receiver's tuner. It was definitely clearer and it sounded great, just a notch below CD quality. Then looking at the tuner's casing (as big as a CD player), I concluded that it must be due to all the electronics in the casing that enhances the tuner's quality, Whereas in a receiver, the tuner is only a "bonus" and I was told that the electronics for the tuner in a AVR is very very small.

Now I am a believer in separates!

Before, I do!  ;D

Of course, once in a while you found gold in the midst of many trash (expensive or cheap) -

amplifier technology is not rocket science - in fact it is the component that has been tamed the most in an audio gear. Some considered low end are great amp gears. Some high end cost gears are trash.

Tuner performance varies - US, Philippines, high EMI/RFI environment

performance is not a sole tuner's domain, nor amp. In my own quest, and many suggested inputs from this forum somehow help me do my own observation - and include my engineering background.

Rascal101 in his post made it somewhat discreet.

http://sound.westhost.com/articles.htm

http://sound.westhost.com/whatis.htm

tuner could be a different animal - but amp? I tried without biases - t-amp, mini compo midi compo separate (no tube  ;D) receiver
I am near the writer's point after I experiment on different setup and location about things I can not easily explain before using technical concepts.

Spend your precious time to the triumvirate that pumps more error (distortion) in the equation - and you will end with a system at a minimal cost and at an efficient effort.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: oweidah on May 13, 2006 at 09:32 AM
My brod in law asked me to assemble a setup for him so I had the chance weeks ago to fiddle around with his separate tuner (NAD) before I turned it over to him .

I was surprised with the quality of the sound as compared to my receiver's tuner. It was definitely clearer and it sounded great, just a notch below CD quality. Then looking at the tuner's casing (as big as a CD player), I concluded that it must be due to all the electronics in the casing that enhances the tuner's quality, Whereas in a receiver, the tuner is only a "bonus" and I was told that the electronics for the tuner in a AVR is very very small.

Now I am a believer in separates!

congrats (&thanx) sir matzter!
i hope the "other" separate component of your brod-in-law matches the performance of the nad tuner. ganda ng mga nad tuners, aint that fancy, no frills as nad is known for. good models are nad 402,404,412 and 414rds ;D matched with the rite amp, nad tuners sounds close to analog tuners of the past -sansui,kenwood,hk, etc.

of course, iba yung full-bodied sound of "de-pihit" analog tuner. but superior ang nad standalone tuner kesa avrs' tuner. as you've said, freebies lang ang tuner section of many avrs.

but i believe nad avrs have good tuner section bcoz they didnt concentrate on putting too many dsp effects, just the basic dd,dts and ears for audio listening.


Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: b0ss_sa_b0ss on May 20, 2006 at 11:44 PM
OT.
Galing ako spectra kanina, and I auditioned side by side the Yamaha 657 and HK 235 with diamond 9.5…  plan only to buy speaker, then yammy657 sa Yamaha outlet mismo (22k lang kasi against 26k+). So audition time na, to my surprise :o, mas clear, detailed and mas maganda yung sound (to my taste) ng 235 compare sa 657. it really changed my mind. I go home with the diamond. Tomorrow I’ll go back and get that hk235. 
Mga bro. 26k+ yung hk, may alam ??? pa ba kayong store mas mababa?
Medyo kulang sa budget e.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: barrister on May 21, 2006 at 06:51 PM
Congrats, bosing. 

Thanks to Spectra, side by side demo din ako ng HK and Yammy (as you know, I preferred the Yammy).  Now that you're sure about the HK, may peace of mind ka na. 

Why not just buy the HK from Spectra. Tutal, sila naman ang nagbigay ng magandang service, so they deserve the sale. Personally, I would feel guilty if I didn't buy from the retailer that helped me make a choice by giving me great service.       
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: atomicat10 on May 21, 2006 at 07:26 PM
It's 657 for me too. Never had auditioned the hk 235 but heard the 135 (the sound was nothing new for me) The titanium looks and video upconversion swayed me to the yamaha avr. If you are into music, well let me tell you that the mp3s I listened to using the yammies pure direct sounded cd like, warm and onkyoish ;D (I'm a former tsr-501 owner)

If HT is your concern, well even Sir Matzter, an avid HK user will tell you that Yamaha has the edge when it comes to this arena. You should have taken into consideration that the AVRs you have auditioned may not be setup(ed) optimally which might have lead to a lesser favorable listening experience ;D.

I know a member here (an hk235 Owner) who have posted his newly bought 235 up for sale and was even willing to trade down to an older model HK, maybe you would like to get in touch with him.

In the end, it's you ears, your dough and your choice. Don't let us confuse you, the posts here are are mere opinions for the undecided.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: john5479 on May 21, 2006 at 08:47 PM
Well mp3s with a high bit rate may sound cd like but still falls short depending on your setup. Same goes with your ht setup, proper speaker distance and levels for each channel improves the experience whether you use a yammie or hk. One thing i observed is that with speakers with an impedance below 8 ohms or sensitivity below 88db, the yammies lacks drive. Tried dynaudio 42's with a 657 and i was disappointed. If i were to do my setup again i would get a 657 and an external multichannel amp, if budget is a concern an hk would do, tyaga na lang sa setup. 8) just my two cents.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: oweidah on May 21, 2006 at 09:05 PM
sirs,
anyone know why audio/video receiver manufacturers dont market here (or stopped production?) preamp/processors? mas ok na user ang pumili ng amplification to match his speakers.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: hattori_hanzo on May 21, 2006 at 10:11 PM
As an old yammy user, still I wont trade in my old inherited yamaha RX-V995 (top-of-the-line for 5.1), although I sold one that I had bought from a fellow Pdvd due to the reward of my uncle (his old well taken cared of RX-V995)...

based on my expirience...

The performance of Yamaha RX-V995 is very well satisfying, this old school AVR still entertains me well, with a 100W/pc RMS (L/R:0.04%THD, C:0.07%THD and Surr.:0.07%THD) still if you analyze well...

Yamaha AVR's
Plus Points:
1.) Enhanced HT. has an edge on most AVR.
2.) very good processing, DSP's are great on ambient music and Videoke.
3.) Direct switch for pure amplification (AVR can be used as a pre amp if used with a external power amp.)
3.) Video-up conversion and YPAO (on newer models).
...older model has been solidly built (eg. RXV995 still good working condition since 2000).

Harman AVR's
Plus Points:
1.) HCC great on Audio.
2.) asthetically appealing.
3.) Direct switch for pure amplification.

as you see yamaha's are not that powerful on audio amplification, but you can always hooked it up with a highly sensitive speakers for it to perform well. if your not satified enough with the power, you can always expand with a use of an external power amplifier. what best is you still have those extra processing (eg. DSP, HT enhanced etc.) without sacrificing the AVR itself for upgrades... 

so which one do you prefer? these are just some of the points ive taken for comparison, still the final choices are yours...  ;)     
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: b0ss_sa_b0ss on May 21, 2006 at 11:19 PM
Congrats, bosing. 

Thanks to Spectra, side by side demo din ako ng HK and Yammy (as you know, I preferred the Yammy).  Now that you're sure about the HK, may peace of mind ka na. 

Why not just buy the HK from Spectra. Tutal, sila naman ang nagbigay ng magandang service, so they deserve the sale. Personally, I would feel guilty if I didn't buy from the retailer that helped me make a choice by giving me great service.       
actually ang pinademo ko lang talaga is the wharfe9.5, and i told him also that i might get the 657 sa yamaha outlet because they can give me a 25% (sale pa rin 657). so after the demo, yung wharfe lang talaga muna yung binili ko sa kanila. nanghihinayang lang talaga ako sa DSP processing that Yamaha AVR can offer.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Signal2Noise on May 25, 2006 at 04:48 PM
Check this out.......AV Receiver Face-Off


http://hometheatermag.com/receivers/8/index.html
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: av_phile1 on May 25, 2006 at 05:02 PM
sirs,
anyone know why audio/video receiver manufacturers dont market here (or stopped production?) preamp/processors? mas ok na user ang pumili ng amplification to match his speakers.

Too small a market to recoup their investment.  The local market still find receivers to deliver better value in terms of getting the preamps/processrs, tuners, and amps in one convenient box for about the same price as a standalone pre/pro.  Or even HTIB with speakers already included in the package also for about the same price. 
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: av_phile1 on May 25, 2006 at 05:16 PM
As an old yammy user, still I wont trade in my old inherited yamaha RX-V995 (top-of-the-line for 5.1), although I sold one that I had bought from a fellow Pdvd due to the reward of my uncle (his old well taken cared of RX-V995)...

based on my expirience...

The performance of Yamaha RX-V995 is very well satisfying, this old school AVR still entertains me well, with a 100W/pc RMS (L/R:0.04%THD, C:0.07%THD and Surr.:0.07%THD) still if you analyze well...

Yamaha AVR's
Plus Points:
1.) Enhanced HT. has an edge on most AVR.
2.) very good processing, DSP's are great on ambient music and Videoke.
3.) Direct switch for pure amplification (AVR can be used as a pre amp if used with a external power amp.)
3.) Video-up conversion and YPAO (on newer models).
...older model has been solidly built (eg. RXV995 still good working condition since 2000).

Harman AVR's
Plus Points:
1.) HCC great on Audio.
2.) asthetically appealing.
3.) Direct switch for pure amplification.

as you see yamaha's are not that powerful on audio amplification, but you can always hooked it up with a highly sensitive speakers for it to perform well. if your not satified enough with the power, you can always expand with a use of an external power amplifier. what best is you still have those extra processing (eg. DSP, HT enhanced etc.) without sacrificing the AVR itself for upgrades... 

so which one do you prefer? these are just some of the points ive taken for comparison, still the final choices are yours...  ;)     

As an HT preamp/processor, there's very little competition out there for the Yamaha, especially the Z series like the Z9.  The Z9 can even trounce serious Krell preamp/processors in terms of features for about the same price.     For HT, Yamaha does a great job even for entry levels. But for audio power amps, you can look elsewhere.

Makers of receivers, in aiming to gain more of the market, can take on some tradeoffs or compromises. You seldom get the best of all worlds.  You can have great pre/pro functions, but inadeqaute power. Or get get good power, but inadeqaute pre/pro functions.   ;D  Flagships maybe. 
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: aHobbit on May 26, 2006 at 10:09 AM
Quote
For HT, Yamaha does a great job even for entry levels. But for audio power amps, you can look elsewhere.


Matching, babe! and placement. Sound is not amp's duty alone - speaker matching/implementation and placement are the biggest issue. I have good result with Yamaha 630 and full range system/implementation with the right placement. Don't blame the amp when in fact it has the least to alter in the chain. my FOC (free of charge  ;D  ;D)
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: ATJr. on May 26, 2006 at 10:20 AM
Quote
Sound is not amp's duty alone

word of wisdom! worthy of remembering. ;D
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: av_phile1 on May 26, 2006 at 01:04 PM
Sound is not amp's duty alone

True, but  not when it is starved of current during transients and where other amps can handle very low impedance loads much better.   Certainly not if I can have better performing power amps elsewhere.  Everything is relative.  And I am talking only about gears in the context of the post.  Not sound propagation which is a confluence of many outside factors as you rightly pointed out.  And if you have a lousy amp to begin with, I don't see how any amount of speaker matching and placement can make it sound superlative.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: aHobbit on May 26, 2006 at 04:30 PM
True, but  not when it is starved of current during transients and where other amps can handle very low impedance loads much better.   Certainly not if I can have better performing power amps elsewhere.  Everything is relative.  And I am talking only about gears in the context of the post.  Not sound propagation which is a confluence of many outside factors as you rightly pointed out.  And if you have a lousy amp to begin with, I don't see how any amount of speaker matching and placement can make it sound superlative.

well you see, it might not be that the amp is lousy, it might be that the speaker is the one lousy. You see, it is the one which you want to pin down - but they are the two into the tango. So which is which then?

It is no different in saying the T-amp can not handle your "transients" being low in wattage, and can handle up to 4 ohms only. And sure enough other people found T-amp a lousy amp. And mostly of them, because they failed to take into the equation the right speakers for T-amp.

ANd if an amp found the right speakers for it, then it becomes a good audio amp.

and your comment that an amp is not good is definitely relative ... kinda nothing ... since the relative speaker by which you are refering the amp to be bad sounding is missing. Or is it not clear that the idea is matching (between speakers and amp).

If a yamaha pre-pro and rotel amp does not sound good - which is the culprit then?
If a tono pre and rotel does not sound good, who is the culprit then?
If a high end amp and a high end speakers does not sound good together, who is the culprit then?
if a tube amp and a 3-way speaker does not sound good, who is the  culprit then?

Relative?
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: av_phile1 on May 29, 2006 at 12:50 PM
You yourself nicely ilustrated it.  Relative to a pre-amp, a speaker, or a listener, an amp can sound good or bad.  But even so, each component can be assessed on its own merits.  But again, relative to other amps using the SAME measurement conditions.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: aHobbit on May 29, 2006 at 01:47 PM
and the problem is ... who measures that relativity when you buy or compares? When you say it is not high current (as hyped), how do you know that? when you don't measure if it that thingie really going on in the sucked performance - guesswork?  ???  ??? Ears  ???  ;D  ;D

In the life of this forum, majority just quote marketing hype of their gears (even if they dont understand what it meant, or even verified if such claims were true - just like the talk about cables eh) - and I dont mind. But for people who I think has more than that, I think I just can't let it pass ... or the fun just went pffft!  ;D  ;D  ;D

I will be specific to your example:
Your referenced relative speaker is nowhere indicated - so what is the reference used.
The amp has inadeqaute power - and adequate in what manner?

And if you talk of a lousy amp (yamaha?), what measurement provided (because I doubt you did one yourself  ;D  ;D  ;D) support your indication?
 
From the context of your post and of this thread, you issue this statement
"And if you have a lousy amp to begin with, I don't see how any amount of speaker matching and placement can make it sound superlative"

ANd I say, you don't know!!! Unless you can bravely say here, you did all the possible combinations for the "lousy" amp!  :P. I just thought of some high-end gear maker, stamping their nameplate on a cheapo china ware, and sell it at joyful price!  >:(  ;D - What's a lousy amp again?


I just wish those who drumbeat to be objective - be objective and provide concrete measurements - and not to be vague, as in, all are relative. Otherwise, be clear that your claim is just subjective and limited to one's own mix & match guess work!!!
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: av_phile1 on May 29, 2006 at 01:54 PM
Lol ::)  If you don't know who measures amps and how they are measured, that's not my problem.  And if you want to stick with your mix and match, by all means do, so.  You're free to indulge in whatever gives you high.  And if you can't accept the fact that most everything is relative, that's your call.   :o

But when I say an amp has inherent problems of providing current due to its inadequate power supply, I am not talking about mix nd match.  Because relatively, there are other more competent power amps than can.  So why bother mxing and matching with something that is inadequate to begin with.  Better learn how to distinguish between a good amp and a lousy one.  Nothing to do with high end gears and prices, just so happens most better ones can be found in them.   ;D
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: macmac09 on May 30, 2006 at 12:02 AM
ask ko lang po, i am planning to purchase an avr pero i heard na me bago na mga surround formats na ilalabas. if i buy the current avrs, would it be compatible with the soon to be released surround formats or should i wait for the new formats to arrive to be sure? tnx
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: aHobbit on May 30, 2006 at 10:38 AM
Lol ::)  If you don't know who measures amps and how they are measured, that's not my problem.  And if you want to stick with your mix and match, by all means do, so.  You're free to indulge in whatever gives you high.  And if you can't accept the fact that most everything is relative, that's your call.   :o

But when I say an amp has inherent problems of providing current due to its inadequate power supply, I am not talking about mix nd match.  Because relatively, there are other more competent power amps than can.  So why bother mxing and matching with something that is inadequate to begin with.  Better learn how to distinguish between a good amp and a lousy one.  Nothing to do with high end gears and prices, just so happens most better ones can be found in them.   ;D

Ah OK, di mo sinabi agad eh!  :D Power rating lang pala yung basis mo. At least malinaw yun.  ;D  ;D  ;D
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: ATJr. on May 30, 2006 at 10:50 AM
Quote
In the life of this forum, majority just quote marketing hype of their gears (even if they dont understand what it meant, or even verified if such claims were true - just like the talk about cables eh) - and I dont mind. But for people who I think has more than that, I think I just can't let it pass ... or the fun just went pffft!     


yes, many fall by the wayside, for not knowing any better....the sad part of it is i see even engineers abet and propagate all this hypes and silly ideas.... :'(
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: juneaki on May 30, 2006 at 12:58 PM
ask ko lang po, i am planning to purchase an avr pero i heard na me bago na mga surround formats na ilalabas. if i buy the current avrs, would it be compatible with the soon to be released surround formats or should i wait for the new formats to arrive to be sure? tnx

Pag naghintay ka pa na lumabas yung mga bagong surround formats eh baka di ka na makabili ng AVR nyan.  ;D  Meron naman mga AVRs na pwede mag-adapt kung may mga bagong surround format na darating. When you buy your AVR, see to it na meron itong necessary inputs (i.e. 5.1 chanel inputs, 6.1 and 7.1)  for future surround format. Almost all branded AVRs has at least 5.1 channel iputs and some like marantz, yamaha, harman has 7.1 inputs which makes them furture proof.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: av_phile1 on May 30, 2006 at 02:08 PM
I hope you're right,  the new HD-DTS and Dolby TrueHD sound formats just around the corner don't care about 7.1 or 10.1 channels.  If your AVR doesn't have the decorder for these when they appear in the market,  the AVR can start to go the way of the prologic AVRs.   ;D Which can still be used ofcourse. 

Will an RS232 terminal in an AVR allow your current decoders to be upgraded to these new formats?  I doubt it.  But I hope they can be.    ;D
Title: Re: Rotel RA-03 vs. Cambridge Azur 640A
Post by: lakambini on May 31, 2006 at 04:38 PM
2k lang pala difference, I would definitely put my bet on the rotel!  The Rotel is more REASONABLY PRICED than the CA.  Anyone selling their RA-03?
Title: Re: Rotel RA-03 vs. Cambridge Azur 640A
Post by: classicman on May 31, 2006 at 04:49 PM
2k lang pala difference, I would definitely put my bet on the rotel!  The Rotel is more REASONABLY PRICED than the CA.  Anyone selling their RA-03?


i think someone is selling a Rotel RA-02 at the Assorted Buy & Sell section for P11k........ 8)
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: aHobbit on Jun 01, 2006 at 05:42 PM
yes, many fall by the wayside, for not knowing any better....the sad part of it is i see even engineers abet and propagate all this hypes and silly ideas.... :'(

Yes, that's how I read the whole thing also ...
Title: Re: Rotel RA-03 vs. Cambridge Azur 640A
Post by: lakambini on Jul 31, 2006 at 02:52 PM
hello guys,

ask ko lang if sino distributor/retailer of cambridge products dito sa atin?

thanks!
Title: Re: Rotel RA-03 vs. Cambridge Azur 640A
Post by: Music4Life on Aug 01, 2006 at 11:08 AM
Try NAD 352CT. Medyo matalim kasing tumunog highs ng B&W. Kung Rotel RA03 kukunin mo baka tiring. For dynamics, clean sounding ok Rotel. But if you want the presentation to be on the warmer and a bit laid back side sa NAD ka.


...or you might try to add NAD C372 as your options. Full 150W of pure power per channel. Mas mura (I guess) kay sa sa dalawang choices mo. Hindi nga lang maganda ang casing (dull dark gray) compare sa Rotel and Campbridge pero superb sa sound quality. If you prefer a full and warmer sound, NAD but if you want a brighter sounding amp. go for CA.
Title: Re: Rotel RA-03 vs. Cambridge Azur 640A
Post by: classicman on Aug 02, 2006 at 10:45 PM

...or you might try to add NAD C372 as your options. Full 150W of pure power per channel. Mas mura (I guess) kay sa sa dalawang choices mo. Hindi nga lang maganda ang casing (dull dark gray) compare sa Rotel and Campbridge pero superb sa sound quality. If you prefer a full and warmer sound, NAD but if you want a brighter sounding amp. go for CA.


sir, thanks for the insight :).......actually, i had already opted for the Rotel after i acquired (first) the RCD-1072 cdp, but i got the RMB-1075 Multi-Ch. Power Amp. instead of an integrated amp ;)......BTW, would you know the price of the NAD C372 integrated amp. coz i also recently got a NAD C521BEE cdp & am thinking of putting up a separate set-up around it 8)
Title: Re: Rotel RA-03 vs. Cambridge Azur 640A
Post by: juvinyl on Aug 03, 2006 at 11:01 AM
classicman,

I can smell of another upgrade hehe.  FYI, nad c372 is 37k srp.  You can get it at less 10% at av surfer ayala.  Meron sila display ngayon, all new.  all the nad series are there.  If you are serious in getting nad, you can contact me to get discount much lower than that.

Title: Re: Rotel RA-03 vs. Cambridge Azur 640A
Post by: classicman on Aug 05, 2006 at 08:09 PM
classicman,

I can smell of another upgrade hehe.  FYI, nad c372 is 37k srp.  You can get it at less 10% at av surfer ayala.  Meron sila display ngayon, all new.  all the nad series are there.  If you are serious in getting nad, you can contact me to get discount much lower than that.



bai juvinyl,


nah!!! you must have a runny nose or a severe colds ;D ;D ;D........no upgrade for me in about 2 years, & besides it will be a downgrade from a rotel power amp. to a NAD integrated amp. ;D 8)

so how's your new RB-1070 ::)
Title: Re: Rotel RA-03 vs. Cambridge Azur 640A
Post by: MAtZTER on Aug 08, 2006 at 04:11 PM
Try the EXPOSURE 2010S integrated amp. It shocked me that this little integrated amp could power a Dynaudio Audience 72 with ease (and lots of UMPH too).  It usually takes very expensive amps to power the Dyns this good.

This was probably the 2nd best audio setup I heard (at Audioworld) very dynamic! The best I heard was at the HiFi Show w/ a P6,000,000.00 speaker  ;D.
Title: Re: Rotel RA-03 vs. Cambridge Azur 640A
Post by: classicman on Aug 09, 2006 at 06:57 PM
Try the EXPOSURE 2010S integrated amp. It shocked me that this little integrated amp could power a Dynaudio Audience 72 with ease (and lots of UMPH too).  It usually takes very expensive amps to power the Dyns this good.

This was probably the 2nd best audio setup I heard (at Audioworld) very dynamic! The best I heard was at the HiFi Show w/ a P6,000,000.00 speaker  ;D.


master MAtZ, naku di kaya ng powers ko yan, hehehe ;D ;D ;D........pang pre-owned entry level gears lang ang pwede :-[
Title: Re: Rotel RA-03 vs. Cambridge Azur 640A
Post by: MAtZTER on Aug 10, 2006 at 09:46 AM
Hehe, ako rin di kaya ng powers ko so hanggnang drool na lang ako doon sa combo na yun.
Title: Re: Rotel RA-03 vs. Cambridge Azur 640A
Post by: JedTanner on Aug 11, 2006 at 04:22 PM
Try the EXPOSURE 2010S integrated amp. It shocked me that this little integrated amp could power a Dynaudio Audience 72 with ease (and lots of UMPH too).  It usually takes very expensive amps to power the Dyns this good. The best I heard was at the HiFi Show w/ a P6,000,000.00 speaker  ;D.

If you happen to be in the Ortigas area in Metro Manila, visit Listening Style in Shangrila Mall. They have this Genesis 1.1 Speakers worth P5,000,000.00.  :o :o :o Not sure what amps they're using though.

Personally I have not heard how it sounds but the friend I'm with has and he says it's really awesome! Unless I'm Bill Gates, I won't dream of getting this..  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Rotel RA-03 vs. Cambridge Azur 640A
Post by: 5Speed on Aug 12, 2006 at 09:59 AM
ang mahal pala ng Cambridge 640A dyan sa atin.....

A friend of mine has a Cambridge paired with B&W 602s3...okey naman....

Medyo malaki ang price difference dito ng Cambridge at Rotel, Cambridge 640 series being much more cheaper....

I'll go with Rotel's.....Ive heard it paired with Kef speakers and its really awesome.....

That Cambridge of my friend, we paired it with my Mission 72i and after our session, he told me that he should listen to my advice when he's buying a speakers for his Cambridge....The B&W 602s3 sounds good with Cambridge, its neutral and laidback....with my Mission 72i, the music becomes alive at iba ang taginting ng mga stringed instrument...mas may bass din yung mga percussions sa Mission 72i.....

By the way my friend listen to jazz, new-age jazz, piano pieces ang classicals......most of the cd's we've used for audition were this material.....
Title: Re: Rotel RA-03 vs. Cambridge Azur 640A
Post by: accastil on Oct 28, 2006 at 08:37 AM
i own both rotel and cam audio cdps. based from my a/b tests, i find both of them belonging to the same pitch...slighthly on the bright side. nad on the other hand is a bit more laid back than these 2. BnW speakers i belive are quite high pitched and hence, a more laid back amp or cdp would better fit.
anyway, this all goes down to your own personal preference. test both, have a good listen using a common cd track and from there, decide.
Title: Yamaha vs. Pioneer
Post by: maserati on Nov 03, 2006 at 04:13 PM
hi guys,

sorry for starting a new thread, wala kasi ko makita na thread about pioneers receivers. Im just a newbie and mag start sana ko ng HT.  Im planning to build one by the end of this month. Im choosing from a pioneer 815 or 515 and yamaha 457.  I'll match them with wharfes (9.3, cs, and surrounds for a 6.1 setup) .  Anybody can share his thoughts regarding this setup.  Pros and cons, etc.  Wala din kasi ko makitang reviews ng 815 and 515 na asian version. 

Thanks in advance, really appreciate it.
maserati
Title: Re: Yamaha vs. Pioneer
Post by: Reymer on Nov 03, 2006 at 05:01 PM
I used to be a Pioneer fan (during the dolby prologic era  ;D). I used to have a VSX9700s which was the top model then. Power transistors were used in the output stage. The newer models (the lower ones: from 915 downwards) use power IC's, which Pioneer calls "Hybrid amplification", and doesnt sound as good as their counterparts which use power transistors (ie, AVRs from Yamaha, Denon, HK, Onkyo). And according to their own demo staff which I talked to, these models are not as tolerant in driving low impedance loads. Only the higher models of Pioneer use MOSFETs in their output stage, but they are also more expensive. IMHO, I think you should go for the Yamaha.
Title: Onkyo or Denon.....Your opinion please?
Post by: dannielsimone on Dec 29, 2006 at 12:35 PM
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Good morning......or better yet good afternoon.

Will get delivery of paradigms today and hopefully install......FRONTS PARADIGM MONITOR 7...CENTER- CC370...SURROUNDS PROBABLY THE ADP 370 OR THE ATOM OR TITAN..  Will get delivery and demo the onkyo TXSR 803 ( PESO 51,000).

  The question is....OUTPUT POWER = 620 WATT.......when running a 5.1 or  7.1...will I get 105 watts per channel at 8 ohms BASED ON INFO BELOW.   SCRATCHING MY HEAD HERE?.?

Amplifier output details 105 Watt - 8 Ohm - THD0.08 % - 2 channel(s) (Front), 105 Watt - 8 Ohm - THD0.08 % - 1 channel(s) (Center), 105 Watt - 8 Ohm - THD0.08 % - 2 channel(s) (Surround), 105 Watt - 8 Ohm - THD0.08 % - 2 channel(s) (Surround back)

FULL SPECS of ONKYO
http://reviews.cnet.com/Onkyo_TX_SR803_black/4507-6466_7-31661370.html?tag=nav


I will also get delivery and demo the DENON AVR 2807 (PESO 59,000). 

editors choice video  http://reviews.cnet.com/Denon_AVR_2807/4505-6466_7-31660758.html?tag=pdtl-list

FULL SPECS  AVR2807 
http://reviews.cnet.com/Denon_AVR_2807/4507-6466_7-31660758.html?tag=sub


Even though there is a price differential of 8,000 peso I will make a choice of receiver based on various factors but mostly based on what my ears tell me.

BUT  BASED ON ALL GIVEN INFO.....WHAT IS YOUR CHOICE OF RECEIVER.

 
 
 
 
 
Title: Re: Onkyo or Denon.....Your opinion please?
Post by: Platinum on Dec 29, 2006 at 03:39 PM
Sir,
I'm a Denon user for almost 5 years now, and I highly recommend the model above the 2807. 3805, 3806, 3807, the
more powerful the better. Just my two cents, hope this helps  ;)
Title: Re: Onkyo or Denon.....Your opinion please?
Post by: dannielsimone on Dec 29, 2006 at 04:12 PM
THANX PLATINUM......MAYBE YOU CAN TELL ME WHY  YOU CAN WHY YOU LIKE IT SO MUCH?

DO YOU USE THE HDMI FEATURES?  HOW IS THE UPSCALING FEATURES?

DOES IT CONVERT ALL ANALOG SIGNAL TO DIGITAL?
Title: Re: Onkyo or Denon.....Your opinion please?
Post by: Platinum on Dec 29, 2006 at 04:27 PM
I dont utilize the video features of my Denon receiver because my player is hooked up directly to monitor.
For me, the power to drive well my speakers is my primary concern, the additional features etc are just
secondary. My ears prefer the Denon due to its neutral sound in HT and warm sound in audio (direct mode).
Less-powered receivers tend to sound bright and not-beefy. Pls refer to some threads here by some of our gurus.
But its only my ears, yours will decide better to fit your taste. 
Title: Re: Onkyo or Denon.....Your opinion please?
Post by: dannielsimone on Dec 29, 2006 at 09:55 PM
am pretty tired as it has been a long long day but wanted to keep you updated in "real time".

As you know I am no Audiophile and would be hard pressed to find the vocabulary to compare the  products I am demoing  so please put up with my novice approach. 


Firstly.....a few hic ups today.  Not enough speaker wire in the truck.  They were to bring a spool but they only brought 20 meters when needing 25-30 . ...oh well.....

Bought some speaker brackets from perfect vision which would have been great....but the back of the atoms/titans are a polymer type resin not wood so to drill a hole was not recommended. The ADP 370 surround dipole was also of the same polymer substance on the back so again could not drill( and the bracket that the 370 comes with is not adjustable ...having said that... Never should have bought  brackets in the first place as Paradigm provides  a swivel bracket mount upon request for both the atom and the titan..DUH!    So no worries here.  Must  order them. Unfortunatley for me the Paradigm supplier is closed till Jan 2 or 3

Unwrap the Onkyo and the black one I ordered turned silver ....no biggy the demo will go on!!!!

Set up the speakers with the Atom as surrounds.  The titan is just a bit too big as I feared with my limited head room and space. 

Unwrapped the Denon  receiver and thought it looked great.  Powered it up and the sound was real clean with the few CD's I played..  At 110 watts per channel I  thought this baby was about to blow me out of the water but must say....it did not. ( These are CD's that I and family had listened to many a time for many a year.).  System sounded real good though. Went on to some movie clips to see how the surrounds would work and they did the trick.  Speakers and receiver seemed to go pretty well with each other. Played a live Rock concert on DVD which is crystal clear in respect to quality.   Like the 90 watt Denon I auditioned in the paradigm shop I slowly cranked it up to  full volume. Was really surprised when the volume indicator stopped moving.    I was looking for the additional 10 watts you had recommended to me before).  Must also say that on the highest volume the speakers seemed to break up...got  muddy...and I was huffing and puffing with what I hoped was Adrenalin.  Unfortunately the Adrenalin was really ....well......dissapointment.     My son looked at me and said....that didn't sound to good there dad.   Asked myself Why were the monitor 7's  whimpering out?

Decided to give the Onkyo a try.  As soon as I put on the same DVD at low levels I noticed a major difference in the body and tone of the music.  Raised the volume  higher and higher and as I did the smile on my face  got bigger and bigger. Cranked up the music to about 90% which was louder than the Denon at full volume and had no break up or muddy sound.  Clear as a bell it was. Cranked up the volume to full and it sounded real good.....no distortion at all.  Tossed on the "red hot Chili peppers live at Slain Castle and it was killer.   Wife and kids came right out and said the Onkyo was better for them.  In my opinuion it was also better for me...big time! Very different than the Denon...much more Alive and open....and more powerful to boot.  Proceeded to listen to the same CD's as before of Usher (to test the sub) some rock, and even some pop (Madonna for the wife) and it was all kick Asssss take no prisoners.   

Am happy with the Paradigm speakers and am pleased with the Onkyo.  The combo to "my ears" seems to be the "REAL DEAL"!




Title: Re: Onkyo or Denon.....Your opinion please?
Post by: ATJr. on Dec 30, 2006 at 10:36 AM
get the one that pleases your ears and the wallet, but most importantly choose the one that pleases the wifey as well. ;D
Title: Re: Onkyo or Denon.....Your opinion please?
Post by: aHobbit on Dec 30, 2006 at 01:29 PM

As you know I am no Audiophile ... 


...
Unwrap the Onkyo and the black one I ordered turned silver ....no biggy the demo will go on!!!!
...
Unwrapped the Denon  receiver and thought it looked great.  Powered it up and the sound was real clean with the few CD's I played..  At 110 watts per channel I  thought this baby was about to blow me out of the water but must say....it did not. ...I was looking for the additional 10 watts you had recommended to me before).  ... My son looked at me and said....that didn't sound to good there dad.   ...

Decided to give the Onkyo a try.  As soon as I put on the same DVD at low levels I noticed a major difference in the body and tone of the music.  Raised the volume  higher and higher and as I did the smile on my face  got bigger and bigger. ..  Wife and kids came right out and said the Onkyo was better for them.  In my opinuion it was also better for me...big time! ...and more powerful to boot.  Proceeded to listen to the same CD's as before of Usher (to test the sub) some rock, and even some pop (Madonna for the wife) and it was all kick Asssss take no prisoners.   

Am happy with the Paradigm speakers and am pleased with the Onkyo.  The combo to "my ears" seems to be the "REAL DEAL"!


Good diligence will always be rewarded with long-time satisfaction!!!  8)  8)

Congratulations - I think you just made a very good real-life example of serious comparisons that your ear - and wifey's as well - decided.

Thanks for sharing - I feel I demoed with you the way you described it!  :D  :D

Technically, all differences can be explained
- amp-speaker matching / player-amp matching
- amp sensitivity (looks like Denon has higher input sensitivity), so cant crank more with your CD/DVD player
- or probably Onkyo is better built (who knows) to handle the chosen speaker

It's Fun time!
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: dannielsimone on Jan 01, 2007 at 11:32 AM
HAVE CHOSEN....I THINK!

am pretty tired as it has been a long long day but wanted to keep you updated in "real time".

As you know I am no Audiophile and would be hard pressed to find the vocabulary to compare the  products I am demoing  so please put up with my novice approach. 


Firstly.....a few hic ups today.  Not enough speaker wire in the truck.  They were to bring a spool but they only brought 20 meters when needing 25-30 . ...oh well.....

Bought some speaker brackets from perfect vision which would have been great....but the back of the atoms/titans are a polymer type resin not wood so to drill a hole was not recommended. The ADP 370 surround dipole was also of the same polymer substance on the back so again could not drill( and the bracket that the 370 comes with is not adjustable ...having said that... Never should have bought  brackets in the first place as Paradigm provides  a swivel bracket mount upon request for both the atom and the titan..DUH!    So no worries here.  Must  order them. Unfortunatley for me the Paradigm supplier is closed till Jan 2 or 3

Unwrap the Onkyo and the black one I ordered turned silver ....no biggy the demo will go on!!!!

Set up the speakers with the Atom as surrounds.  The titan is just a bit too big as I feared with my limited head room and space. 

Unwrapped the Denon  receiver and thought it looked great.  Powered it up and the sound was real clean with the few CD's I played..  At 110 watts per channel I  thought this baby was about to blow me out of the water but must say....it did not. ( These are CD's that I and family had listened to many a time for many a year.).  System sounded real good though. Went on to some movie clips to see how the surrounds would work and they did the trick.  Speakers and receiver seemed to go pretty well with each other. Played a live Rock concert on DVD which is crystal clear in respect to quality.   Like the 90 watt Denon I auditioned in the paradigm shop I slowly cranked it up to  full volume. Was really surprised when the volume indicator stopped moving.    I was looking for the additional 10 watts you had recommended to me before).  Must also say that on the highest volume the speakers seemed to break up...got  muddy...and I was huffing and puffing with what I hoped was Adrenalin.  Unfortunately the Adrenalin was really ....well......dissapointment.     My son looked at me and said....that didn't sound to good there dad.   Asked myself Why were the monitor 7's  whimpering out?

Decided to give the Onkyo a try.  As soon as I put on the same DVD at low levels I noticed a major difference in the body and tone of the music.  Raised the volume  higher and higher and as I did the smile on my face  got bigger and bigger. Cranked up the music to about 90% which was louder than the Denon at full volume and had no break up or muddy sound.  Clear as a bell it was. Cranked up the volume to full and it sounded real good.....no distortion at all.  Tossed on the "red hot Chili peppers live at Slain Castle and it was killer.   Wife and kids came right out and said the Onkyo was better for them.  In my opinuion it was also better for me...big time! Very different than the Denon...much more Alive and open....and more powerful to boot.  Proceeded to listen to the same CD's as before of Usher (to test the sub) some rock, and even some pop (Madonna for the wife) and it was all kick Asssss take no prisoners.   

Am happy with the Paradigm speakers and am pleased with the Onkyo.  The combo to "my ears" seems to be the "REAL DEAL"!


DENON 2807...GREAT REVIEW  http://reviews.cnet.com/Denon_AVR_2807/4505-6466_7-31660758.html?tag=pdtl-list

REVIEW OF THE ONKYO 803

Part 1    http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/volume_13_2/onkyo-tx-sr803-receiver-6-2006-part-1.html


Part 2   http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/volume_13_2/onkyo-tx-sr803-receiver-6-2006-part-2.html


Part 3   http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/volume_13_2/onkyo-tx-sr803-receiver-6-2006-part-3.html

DUDE....LET ME WISH YOU A HAPPY NEW YEAR AND LOTS OF FUN WITH YOUR MEGA TOY
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: sonnysy on Jan 07, 2007 at 03:48 PM
Hi!

Our precious 11 year old Harman-Kardon AVR-80 -- have served use really great, solid power and superb sound quality (am into rock music & DVDs... during that it cost me an arm and a leg... made in japan, cheaper models were made in korea then... dunno now) just gave up on us this week.

Briefly going over the reviews here... I'm looking into acquiring a new Yamaha or Onkyo receiver... Whats your recommendation for sub-30K & sub-50K pesos?

Cheers!


Sonny
Title: Konzert 302 vs. Sakura AP-009: Sound Quality
Post by: sansui on Jan 13, 2007 at 12:24 AM
Just bought a Konzert 302 this afternoon because I want to compare its sound quality with that of Sakura power amp model AP-009 (with mandatory pre-amp AK-008).  Sakura wins handily.  The difference in sound quality in terms of  clarity, transparency, mid-range finesse and bass definition is very obvious.  The sound of the Konzert lacks that "live" acoustic illusion easily generated by listening thru the Sakura amp.  I am surprised by the very big difference in the sound quality.  I used acoustic bossa nova music material using Wharfedale 9.2 speakers to compare the two amps.  Amplifiers really do make a big difference.
Title: Re: Konzert 302 vs. Sakura AP-009: Sound Quality
Post by: John E. on Jan 17, 2007 at 04:31 AM
Has anyone been to Raon to check-out if they have Sakura AP-009?

...or any other place selling this amp aside from the south area?

Thanks  :D !
Title: Re: Konzert 302 vs. Sakura AP-009: Sound Quality
Post by: reynold on Jan 18, 2007 at 12:53 PM
sir juric,

been there yesterday to look for this model but sorry to say, i've failed to see one and even those "sakura distributor"... it looks like hindi pa nila naririnig ang model na 'to  :-\
Title: Re: Konzert 302 vs. Sakura AP-009: Sound Quality
Post by: atomicat10 on Jan 18, 2007 at 11:19 PM
Just bought a Konzert 302 this afternoon because I want to compare its sound quality with that of Sakura power amp model AP-009 (with mandatory pre-amp AK-008).  Sakura wins handily.  The difference in sound quality in terms of  clarity, transparency, mid-range finesse and bass definition is very obvious.  The sound of the Konzert lacks that "live" acoustic illusion easily generated by listening thru the Sakura amp.  I am surprised by the very big difference in the sound quality.  I used acoustic bossa nova music material using Wharfedale 9.2 speakers to compare the two amps.  Amplifiers really do make a big difference.

Sir, out of curiosity lang, what do you do with so many amps?
Title: Re: Konzert 302 vs. Sakura AP-009: Sound Quality
Post by: sansui on Jan 19, 2007 at 01:53 AM
It's just one of my hobbies. 
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: John E. on Feb 23, 2007 at 04:45 AM
 ;D here it is again...

im still an excited newbie in this hobby.

ofcourse i only got interested in this since finding this site.

one thing i learned is to always ask for the experienced or knowledgable advise of our PDVD experts (who are open in speaking their minds) and to have a little patience when it comes to purchasing gears.

which would you advise for a small room combined with wharfe 9.2 as fronts and WH-2 as center and surrounds for 70% ht and 30% audio.

choices are (under 20k)

Yamaha rx-v 459 - php 17,+++ - 6.1 (90w per ch.) good for HT as i read plus good after sales service since parts are easy to find.

Onkyo TX-SR503 - php 18,+++ - 7.1

Denon 1507 - php 18,+++ - 7.1 (75w per ch.) with i-pod port pero hirap daw parts pag nagloko or nasira.

thank you.


Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: audibleillusions on Feb 23, 2007 at 04:06 PM
the new  yamaha RX-V359 5.1 budget receiver
HDTV Compatible 3 Component
Video Inputs
Component Video inputs offer higher
picture quality, for use with units such
as DVD players that have Component
Video output. The frequency response
of the component video signal is 5Hz
– 60MHz, making it compatible with
HDTV (1080i/720p). Because we know
that many people like to use several
high quality video devices, we have
given this receiver three component
video inputs instead of the usual one
or two. You can enjoy three different
sources without having to change
connections.

5.1-Channel 500W Powerful
Surround Sound (100W x5)
This receiver delivers high power
output to each of their five channels:
two front, one centre and two
surround. It provides more than
enough power (100W x 5: minimum
RMS output power, 110W x 5: max
power) to fill even the largest rooms
with vibrant music and rich sound
effects.
         NOTE
• Wide-range audio frequency
response for DVD-Audio/Super Audio
CD compatibility
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Bogsle on Feb 26, 2007 at 03:55 PM
Just got a new Harman Kardon AVR-340 from Architectural Audio and I really like it a lot.

The HK AVR-340 replaced my old (broken) Yamaha RX-V1400. Actually, it was my second Yamaha HT receiver. Before that I had an RX-V440.

What attracted me to the RX-V1400 before were it's features like, YPAO, multi-band equalizer for all 7 channels, dual YSS-930 32-bit processor, 24bit/192k DAC, and of course its THX-Select certification of 110watts per channel.  ;D

The RX-V1400 was with me for more that 3 years and had served well in my HT setup. But then after I listened to the HK AVR-340 I said to my self, if I had an HK receiver from the start, my venture into the two-channel-stereo part of my hobby would have been delayed (well, probably for just a bit  ;D). Ang lakas kasi mang-influence in Audioslave eh sa two-channel audio! Kamusta na kaya ang setup mo ngayon my old friend?

Anyway, what I can say are the following:

1. Ang "lutong" ng mga instruments when playing Audio CDs, Concert DVDs, and SACDs. Para sa akin, buhay-na buhay yung music. Mas may body, ika nga to which my wife concurs. Noticeable talaga yung difference from how the RX-V1400 rendered music. Very warm sounding. Talagang nag salang ako ng nag salang ng audio CD ko, coz enjoy makinig. It's been 3 days na nga hindi ko nagagamit yung Mastersound ko eh.

2. Ang lakas ng bass! Nung sa RX-V1400, I thought I needed to purchase a new subwoofer, one which will be more powerfull. What I'm using is a JBL LX2000 150-watts na 10-inch sub. Noticable ang weak bass response most specially when I play SACDs. Sa movies naman, although there was enough bass, but I felt there was not much impact when it comes to big explosions or crashes. I was trying to listen or feel for that rumbling, shaking bass which I thought my subwoofer was not capable of when it was connected to the RX-V1400. Kaya nga, isa sana sa mga next upgrade plan ko is to get a Velo CHT12 (idea pa lang). However, with the HK AVR-340, HINDI NA! This time, I even have to turn down the volume of the subwoofer kasi the window beside it was ratling hard talage. Hindi ito sabog na bass, ha (meron ba nun?) pero mas ramdam ko ngayon yung rumbles, explosions and crashes. Gumagapang! Hindi ko ma-explain eh kung baket ganun. Mas malakas ba yung bass singnal from the HK receiver than the Yamaha receiver? Basta I know, nakatipid ako lalo sa pag bili ng bagong subwoofer.

3. The HK AVR-340 has all the basic requirements for setting up the HT speakers. Meron 'tong number-of-speaker settings, distance or delay setting, size setting, LFE crossover settings, plus a room acoustic calibration of the speakers (I'm not so sure how this goes, really). Ang wala lang sa HK AVR-340 is the multi-band equalizer settings for all speakers which the Yamaha has. The Yammie reciever uses this to fine tune, equalize and create timbre matching of the speakers. For me, I don't see this as a big setback, because all my HT speakers, down to the subwoofer are of the same brand and series. I made sure of this at the start pa lang, because I read somewhere before that it is recommended to have the same type of speakers for good timbre matching. Of course maaring may konting difference pa rin sa sound, but I think it will be very minimal and not that noticable, unlike siguro kung naka JBL LX2002 ako for the fronts and then naka AE Evo1 ako sa surround speakers. Yun, malayo ang tunog talaga!

4. Although wala ngang multi-band equalizer settings and HK, natuwa naman ako to find out that the HK AVR-340 has individual LFE crossover settings for each speaker. Neat! Isa kasi sa mga foremost concern ko is how to properly configure the LFE crossover settings of my speakers sa RX-V1400, which only has one common setup for all the speakers. The problem that I have kasi is this: yung  both front speakers and surround speakers have a frequency range of 40Hz - 22kHz. This means I can safely set the LFE crossoever at 80Hz or even 60Hz for these. However, the center speaker only has a frequency range of 75Hz - 22 kHz. If I set the LFE crossover to 80Hz, it may not be ideal because there is only a 5Hz range within the crossover points and not much allowance. The recommended setup is to have at least 10Hz within the crossover points. Kung i-set ko naman sa 90Hz yung crossover, nagiging directional yung bass. Meaning, I can hear and locate the bass sound comming from the subwoofer. Ideally, we should not be able to localize the LFEs and that low-level sound should not be directional, but rather something that is felt (tama ba?). With the HK AVR-340 I can set the LFE crossover at 60Hz (ang baba!) for the front and surround speakers, while 100Hz sa center speaker. This time, the bass sound of explosions and crashes from the front and surround speakers becomes non-directional and cannot be localized anymore when the LFEs are forwarded to the subwoofer.

5. Loud sound do not seem to become distorted in on the HK AVR-340. Take note, 55 watts/channel lang to unlike the RX-V1400 na 110watts/channel and THX Select certified pa.

6. Another thing that I noticed when I started using the HK AVR-340 is that the needle in the "current"  reading console of my voltage regulator moves up by 1 or 2 lines. What do I mean? I use a 2000-watt HOSSONI Servo-Motor Voltage Regulator with a  voltage meter console and an current meter console on the front (which is what I think it is, but do correct me if I'm mistaken). One time while the kids were watching a movie on the HK AVR-340 I checked the said consoles. I noted that needle on the voltage meter console (the one labeled "V") was steady at 220 volts. I was supprised however to find that the needle on the other console (the one labeled "A~") was moving between lines 1 and 2. Honestly, I never thought that this one ever worked, because I never saw it move before, even when I was using the RX-V1400 receiver for watching movies. Ang akala ko display lang to eh or baka sira, but I really did not see this before, and I always check the Voltage Regulator front consoles. This may mean nothing, but I'm not really sure, because I don't know. Thus, I'm sharing it so that others may comment. Is this proof that the HK AVR-340 is really drawing current making the needle on the "A~" console rise?

7. Hindi kasing detail daw ng Yamaha? Ganun din! Mas mataba at mabigat pa tunog ngayon (as per my impression). I realized that ambient sound are quite obvious. Maybe because of more power going to all the speakers "at the same time"? More power may mean that the receiver is able to make the speakers produce more detail, expose the smallest sound that seem not to be obvious before, plus make seem "weigthy". Mali po ba ito? O baka iba lang talaga ang timpla ng tunong ng RX-V1400. Kasi ngayon, after 3 years with a Yamaha receiver and 3 days with the HK receiver obvious yung difference, which I did not believe so much before --- manipis nga tumunog yung Yamaha receiver kaya it seems mas detailed ito. But the truth is, I don't really miss the RX-V1400 sound details while using the HK receiver. Actually, I feel (or hear) that I even have more of it than before. ;D

Well, I'm really enjoying my HK receiver now. Yes, it does not have all the bells and wistles of the RX-V1400, but then do I really need all of those? After more than 3 years of Home Theater experience I have concluded that I just need the basics to enjoy my HT setup. Maraming connection? NOT. Why would I want to connect all devices to my reciever? HDMI? NOT. Both digital coax and/or discrete connection, ok na! HDMI Video conversion? NOT. Naka-diretso DVD ko sa TV ko ever since.

Simple lang ang buhay, kailangan ko lang is good sound and ample power from my HT receiver. That's it.   




Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: av_phile1 on Feb 26, 2007 at 04:24 PM
Congrats on your new and more revealing sonic experience!!!!
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: MAtZTER on Feb 26, 2007 at 05:09 PM
I have almost the same observations w/ Bogsle regarding Yamaha & HK. I switched from HK630 to a Yamaha 2500 last month. Since I will be using my Yamaha for purely HT setup only.

Quote
Gumagapang! Hindi ko ma-explain eh kung baket ganun. Mas malakas ba yung bass singnal from the HK receiver than the Yamaha receiver? Basta I know, nakatipid ako lalo sa pag bili ng bagong subwoofer.

I agree with this , what I noticed with the HK is that its midrange is thick, it is indeed crisp w/ details (malutong) and sounds great in music. I felt more midrange w/ the HK than the Yamaha.

IMO, bottom line is: HK knows it has the POWER, being all 7 channels driven w/ +/- 50amps High current (HK630), so it makes good use of this, even as a pre amp  (combined w/ a power amp). There was a midrange SLAM & PUNCH that I always loved w/ the HK. Specially w/ demanding action scenes. Di sya kinakapos.

Yamaha OTH (with  only 2 channels driven rating of 130w) excels in processing instead of power, I used both AVR's w/ a Rotel power amp and it was better w/ the HK, Manipis pa rin tunog ng Rotel sa Yamaha. Yamaha does not utilize the POWER (as a pre/pro) as much as HK does, IMO.

BUT on the positive side, Yamaha's surround capability is truly exceptional, making my tiny HT room sound bigger & I could not point out the surrounds now. Details also are all there, all the "clinks" and "clanks", maybe due in fact to its thinner sound (as bogsle mentioned), I prefer it to the HK. There were so many sounds I heard now that were not there before. Being the QC officer of the last pdvd DTS demo disk project, I have reviewed several DTS scenes repeatedly (hundreds of times), so this I am sure of.

In music, if you are using a DVDp & were to rely on the receiver's DAC instead of a CDp's, the HK has the edge. But IMO, they both sound good when you use a good CDP, with HK (specially the 600 series) having a better edge in driving hard to drive speakers like Dynaudio. I tried my Dynes direct to Yamaha and one thing I observed, the bass was LOOSE (not tight). Yamaha can drive the Dynes, but whether it sounds good or not (specially in music) is the question. The difference was immediately obvious when I switched to the Rotel power amp. Bass was tight.

IMO both are good AVR's, it just depends on your preferences (details, surrounds, midrange slam, etc). If only there was a receiver that can have it all. But I guess only the high end pre/pro's have it all, w/c unfortunately, is out of budgetary reach... :D
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: av_phile1 on Feb 26, 2007 at 05:19 PM
The difference was immediately obvious when I switched to the Rotel power amp. Bass was tight.

Attributable to Damping Factor.  Check the figure, you'd note a yawning difference in the damping factors of well-known power amp separates and receivers. 
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: MAtZTER on Feb 26, 2007 at 05:33 PM
Attributable to Damping Factor.  Check the figure, you'd note a yawning difference in the damping factors of well-known power amp separates and receivers. 

Agree sir AV! The differences are big indeed from receivers to multi channel power amps to stereo power amps. Considering the Yamaha had a higher THX rated 130w & the Rotel only had THX rated 100w. Its in the damping factor, not wattage.

Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: rband04 on Feb 26, 2007 at 05:50 PM
mga sir gud day

service center po ng harman kardon? saan po location?
kabibili ko lang kasi ng hk ko galing states.
nag hung kahit anong botton ayaw gumana. kahit patayin uli ayaw talaga.

tia
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: MAtZTER on Feb 26, 2007 at 06:14 PM
Beyond Innovations Libis, the corner before eastwood city (corner of CATERPILLAR)
6344790

Galing states ha? Babawi sila sa yo ngayon sa service charge....  ;D

Yan din nangyari sa friend ko who bought a HK from the U.S. & nasira. 

Sana di naman malaki defect ng sa yo.

Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: et414 on Feb 26, 2007 at 06:48 PM
rband04
umiilaw pa ba? baka naman fuse lang
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Bogsle on Feb 26, 2007 at 09:13 PM
Congrats on your new and more revealing sonic experience!!!!

Thank you very much!

Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Bogsle on Feb 26, 2007 at 09:19 PM
IMO both are good AVR's, it just depends on your preferences (details, surrounds, midrange slam, etc). If only there was a receiver that can have it all. But I guess only the high end pre/pro's have it all, w/c unfortunately, is out of budgetary reach... :D[/color]

I guess so. You maybe right. Similar to how I changed my 2 channel audio preference from SS to tubes. At the beginning then, I preferred the presentation detail of Yamaha for HT. However, after sometime, I started to like audio presentations that have weighty midrange, like what HK receivers have. May point ka bro.

Thanks also.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Bogsle on Feb 26, 2007 at 09:26 PM
mga sir gud day

service center po ng harman kardon? saan po location?
kabibili ko lang kasi ng hk ko galing states.
nag hung kahit anong botton ayaw gumana. kahit patayin uli ayaw talaga.

tia

Bro, try ko lang ha. Di ko alam kung ginawa mo na to eh.

Nasubukan mo na ba "i-reset" ang HK receiver mo?

I read in the user's manual that if there will be an occasion that the HK receiver hangs because the memory got screwed or the AV processor ran into trouble, just reset the system by doing the following:

1. Put the receiver in standby mode.
2. While in standby mode, press and hold down the "Tone Mode" button until the receiver lights up and power up again.

This will reset everthing to factory configuration. Well, that is how it is with the AVR-340. Your receiver may have a different reset option. Pero try mo lang if you haven't done it yet.

Good luck and hope it helps.



Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Bogsle on Feb 27, 2007 at 08:38 PM
Currently listening to this: Livingstone Taylor's "Ink." SACD, Chesky Records

(http://cover6.cduniverse.com/CDUCoverArt/Music/09036802536.jpg)

I'm using multichannel discrete audio, 5.1 analog connection from Onkyo DVSP502 SACD DVD-AUDIO/VIDEO player to HK AVR-340.

Ang galing! Buhay na buhay si Livingston Taylor behind my front speakers.

I could not get this life-like midrange and detailed sound stage presentation from my RX-V1400 before. I got frustrated nga with the RX-V1400, kasi ang hirap pa naman mag DIY ng mga analog interconnects. It was flat sounding and mahina. I thought the problem was the cable that I made (Belden 8422, Amphenol RCAs, WBT Silver solder). I was thinking then of purchasing a branded 5.1 analog interconnects. I guess there goes another thing I will not be buying anymore also.  ;D

Now, I'm truly enjoying multi-channel audio.

Hmmm......ano kaya ang ma-subukan......DVD-Audio naman! Haven't experienced that before. Makapag hanap nga.



Title: onkyo, yamaha or sherwood
Post by: fish cracker on Apr 26, 2007 at 06:01 AM
which of the following should i choose? their prices are almost the same....

onkyo hts590 (with onkyo 5.1 speakers)
yamaha  htr5930 (with yamaha 5.1 speakers)
sherwood rd 6502 (with wharfedale moviestar 60+ 5.1 speakers)

need some input guys..thanks
Title: Re: onkyo, yamaha or sherwood
Post by: NMM1 on Apr 26, 2007 at 11:58 AM
m leaning towards the sherwood.... heard one of these babies before in a friends set up and m kinda satisfied with it...
Title: Hk 130 oe 335? for b&w speakers?
Post by: pork on May 22, 2007 at 11:25 PM
hi,

I just auditioned and im decided to get a b&w ht/audio speakers.

I auditioned the epos bookshelf, 602s3 and 303 and i was surprise that the 602s3 was just ahead on a little bass than the 303 but they sound alike. sorry guys but i like the b&w than the epos.

Now should i just get the b&w 303 w lc30 center(total 25k) combo or 602s3 w lc60 (40k)?

i found a 2nd hand hk 130(11k) that im planning to drive either set of speakers. Is the 130 good enought even for the 602s3 ht set?

or get the 2nd hand hk 335 for 25k also in the b&sell section? is the 14k price dif worth it w the 130 and 335 if im only using 5.1 and doesnt need the 7.1?

HELP!!!

oh, and im just planning to get a warfdale sw150 150 active sub. usaudio has a 350 wat sub but the 150w warfe has a better match w b&w. any other suggestions not more than 10k?
Title: Re: Hk 130 oe 335? for b&w speakers?
Post by: NadB on May 22, 2007 at 11:32 PM
Am also into 5.1 only...and using an older pre-owned HK 1550 driving my Aurum bookies and Status 150 watter center speakers.  No opinion to give, just sharing.....hehe.
Title: Re: Hk 130 oe 335? for b&w speakers?
Post by: MAtZTER on May 23, 2007 at 03:02 PM
Get the best receiver your money can buy. There is more to the price difference than just wattage (dynamic headroom) alone. The processor is better, better quality parts are used and importantly, PRE OUTS for future power amps are available.

Audition a 20k receiver and a 60k receiver... you will definitely hear the difference. Take note on how a powerful receiver gives a better HT SLAM through your speakers (not subwoofer) whereas a lower model is already choking on the same demanding action scene.

But in the end, if you are not picky... Any receiver will do, you just may not be using your system to its full potential.

Or worse, you might fall victim to upgraditis. :(
Title: Re: Hk 130 oe 335? for b&w speakers?
Post by: audiojunkie on May 23, 2007 at 05:08 PM
 :) :)I agree with you MatzTer... you got the point, in deed.

Get high quality receiver,[if you can not get separate pre/pro]...  8)
...with pre-outs for external amps to drive the L/C/R channels and  ;D
...if possible with external inputs  ;D
...if you need to connect player with built-in processor for SACD or future formats.  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: deo on Oct 06, 2007 at 05:52 AM
bogsle, post mo naman pic ng  ht setup mo...na curious tuloy ako. congrats sa setup mo!
Title: Onkyo 705 vs Yamaha RV1800
Post by: Kobe Bryant on Oct 15, 2007 at 09:52 PM
which is better?

thanks
Title: Re: Onkyo 705 vs Yamaha RV1800
Post by: pchin on Oct 16, 2007 at 12:04 AM
Ngek! No specs & no link??  :-\

What are you aftering or requirement?
Title: Re: Onkyo 705 vs Yamaha RV1800
Post by: allenwfc on Oct 16, 2007 at 04:06 PM
which is better?

thanks


if i remember specs right,

yammy 1800 is more power (which is expected to have better sound)
while onkyo 705 has THX select 2 and a bit more whistle/features (notable, but debetable usage is the dolby true hd) compared to the yamaha.


in the end, i think it depends on your requirements and more importantly budget as both are targeted at slightly different price brackets.

Title: Re: Onkyo 705 vs Yamaha RV1800
Post by: vtec3 on Oct 16, 2007 at 10:17 PM
hi allen, kumusta na yung 705 mo? how is its performance  ;) from the info i got, coming this month na din daw yung 705 dito sa atin. thanks!
Title: Re: Onkyo 705 vs Yamaha RV1800
Post by: Weng! on Oct 17, 2007 at 02:17 AM
hi allen, kumusta na yung 705 mo? how is its performance  ;) from the info i got, coming this month na din daw yung 705 dito sa atin. thanks!

hamats daw ang 705 sir at saang shop?
Title: Re: Onkyo 705 vs Yamaha RV1800
Post by: allenwfc on Oct 17, 2007 at 02:36 AM
hi allen, kumusta na yung 705 mo? how is its performance  ;) from the info i got, coming this month na din daw yung 705 dito sa atin. thanks!

its great!! hehe

its kinda noisy and a bit unnerving the first few times when it switches between audio formats.. beyond that im kinda happy with it :)

still need to wait for my future sub and ps3 to make the most of it though. i'll be getting a super audio check cd also in the coming weeks which once im done testing ill post in the onkyo 705 thread i made :)

i've been waiting for that it will be coming soon for some time hehe...
Title: Re: Onkyo 705 vs Yamaha RV1800
Post by: allenwfc on Oct 17, 2007 at 02:38 AM
hamats daw ang 705 sir at saang shop?

i had it shipped from states :)

looking back i could have gotten it cheaper if i bought it 2 weeks earlier or 2 weeks after haha
Title: Re: Onkyo 705 vs Yamaha RV1800
Post by: Weng! on Oct 17, 2007 at 02:44 AM
i had it shipped from states :)

looking back i could have gotten it cheaper if i bought it 2 weeks earlier or 2 weeks after haha


thanks sir allen.

yung parating sa pinas. do u know how much is the selling price and where?

Title: Re: Onkyo 705 vs Yamaha RV1800
Post by: allenwfc on Oct 17, 2007 at 02:52 AM
thanks sir allen.

yung parating sa pinas. do u know how much is the selling price and where?



theater works trinoma, owner is jeff also known as nemesis91 in the forums
"target" price is US SRP (about $800-900).. dunnoo when its coming though
Title: Re: Onkyo 705 vs Yamaha RV1800
Post by: vtec3 on Oct 17, 2007 at 10:27 AM
allen, will wait for your review  ;)

ang sabi this month daw dadating yung 705 yung how much huwag muna natin sagutin baka tumaas eh  ;) sana hindi na tumaas kasi lumalakas naman ang Peso  ;D

Yung Yamaha 1800 mayron na kaya balita kung available na dito and how much?
Title: Re: Onkyo 705 vs Yamaha RV1800
Post by: allenwfc on Oct 17, 2007 at 10:36 AM
allen, will wait for your review  ;)

ang sabi this month daw dadating yung 705 yung how much huwag muna natin sagutin baka tumaas eh  ;) sana hindi na tumaas kasi lumalakas naman ang Peso  ;D

Yung Yamaha 1800 mayron na kaya balita kung available na dito and how much?

im also interested in hearing the price :)
Title: Re: Onkyo 705 vs Yamaha RV1800
Post by: threadlock on Oct 17, 2007 at 11:09 AM
I think we are comparing two different animals here.

As you can see on this link, yamaha RX-V1800 is priced at $1,299 (Link: http://www.yamaha.com/yec/products/productdetail.html?CNTID=558291 (http://www.yamaha.com/yec/products/productdetail.html?CNTID=558291))
while
Onkyo 705 is priced at $900 (Link: http://reviews.cnet.com/av-receivers/onkyo-tx-sr705-black/4505-6466_7-32430601.html (http://reviews.cnet.com/av-receivers/onkyo-tx-sr705-black/4505-6466_7-32430601.html))

It would be better to compare Yamaha RX-V1800 to Onkyo TX-SR805(Priced at $1,100)

Just my thoughts. :D
Title: Re: Onkyo 705 vs Yamaha RV1800
Post by: pchin on Oct 17, 2007 at 02:22 PM
Both models have the onboard decoding for the lossless Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio.

Yamaha RX-V1800 is too pricey with the extra bells & whistles.

Onkyo TX-SR705  is value for money & has 3 HDMI 1.3a inputs, Faroudja DCDi video processing & THX Select2 Certified. :) Reviews: http://reviews.pricegrabber.com/home-audio-receivers/m/38870584/
Title: Denon AVR1508 vs Onkyo TX-SR 505
Post by: squatt3r on Nov 12, 2007 at 01:24 PM
Denon AVR1508 vs Onkyo TX-SR 505 alin po mas Ok?
Title: Re: Denon AVR1508 vs Onkyo TX-SR 505
Post by: vapo_chill on Nov 12, 2007 at 02:02 PM
pick any of the two, both will surely sound superb for your HT. what you need to be careful of is on getting speakers to match them.
Title: Re: Denon AVR1508 vs Onkyo TX-SR 505
Post by: nesty on Nov 12, 2007 at 02:08 PM
pick any of the two, both will surely sound superb for your HT. what you need to be careful of is on getting speakers to match them.

what's your recommendation that would match denon avrs?
Title: Re: Denon AVR1508 vs Onkyo TX-SR 505
Post by: vapo_chill on Nov 12, 2007 at 03:07 PM
hmmm, the question would be "how much would you throw in for your speakers?"

 
Title: Re: Denon AVR1508 vs Onkyo TX-SR 505
Post by: squatt3r on Nov 12, 2007 at 03:19 PM
would the AVRs mentioned above be able to drive Wharf 9.3, 9SR and 9CS?

Title: Re: Denon AVR1508 vs Onkyo TX-SR 505
Post by: vapo_chill on Nov 12, 2007 at 03:20 PM
@squatter: they will happilly do.  just do proper auditioning between those AVRs. saan mo ba plan bumili?
Title: Re: Denon AVR1508 vs Onkyo TX-SR 505
Post by: nesty on Nov 12, 2007 at 03:24 PM
hmmm, the question would be "how much would you throw in for your speakers?"

 

between 15k-30k.
Title: Re: Denon AVR1508 vs Onkyo TX-SR 505
Post by: squatt3r on Nov 12, 2007 at 03:26 PM
@squatter: they will happilly do.  just do proper auditioning between those AVRs. saan mo ba plan bumili?

thanks for the prompt reply sir vapo. plan ko bumili either kina sir Nemesis or E-reply or whoever gives the best cash price.
Title: Re: Denon AVR1508 vs Onkyo TX-SR 505
Post by: vapo_chill on Nov 13, 2007 at 08:49 AM
@squatter: i see, sana kung sino din makakapagbigay ng proper demo para sayo as your ears would be the best judge! happy listening!
Title: Re: Denon AVR1508 vs Onkyo TX-SR 505
Post by: vapo_chill on Nov 13, 2007 at 08:57 AM
Quote
between 15k-30k.

get some mordaunts or wharfedale diamond 9 series.
kasama ba sub sa budget mo?
Title: Re: Denon AVR1508 vs Onkyo TX-SR 505
Post by: lakambini on Nov 13, 2007 at 09:44 AM
squatt3r

for an entry-level avr like den1508 and onk505, partner it with loudspeakers that has high sensitivity such as mordaunt-short or monitoraudio.

with a budget of up to 30k, i strongly suggest that you get the monitoraudio br5.

 
Title: Re: Denon AVR1508 vs Onkyo TX-SR 505
Post by: squatt3r on Nov 13, 2007 at 10:02 AM
thanks sa mga replies mga sir. mukhang luluwas ako ng manila sa sunday para makapag audition hehe
Title: Re: Denon AVR1508 vs Onkyo TX-SR 505
Post by: nesty on Nov 13, 2007 at 01:10 PM
get some mordaunts or wharfedale diamond 9 series.
kasama ba sub sa budget mo?

No subs.My plan is to eventually shift to 100% 2ch music. So yung speakers na kukunin is really pang music not ht. And then stereo amp. unti unti.
Title: Re: Denon AVR1508 vs Onkyo TX-SR 505
Post by: fnvillafuerte on Nov 13, 2007 at 07:36 PM
Hi Nesty;

If ur budget for speakers is 30K, go for B&W 6xx series, may konting sukli ka pa to buy a decent speaker wire.  This speaker is well balanced for either music or HT application.  So if you decide to go 2ch audio, you already have the perfect speakers.  But, you still need to audition this first, your ears are still the final judge.

Gudluk and happy searching!
Title: Re: Denon AVR1508 vs Onkyo TX-SR 505
Post by: nesty on Nov 14, 2007 at 11:25 PM
Hi Nesty;

If ur budget for speakers is 30K, go for B&W 6xx series, may konting sukli ka pa to buy a decent speaker wire.  This speaker is well balanced for either music or HT application.  So if you decide to go 2ch audio, you already have the perfect speakers.  But, you still need to audition this first, your ears are still the final judge.

Gudluk and happy searching!
Hi Mr.Villafuerte.

Thanks for the advice about B&W, it's one of the most sought about speakers.

Nesty
Title: Re: Denon AVR1508 vs Onkyo TX-SR 505
Post by: squatt3r on Nov 16, 2007 at 09:04 AM
hehe the thread was kinda hi-jacked from amp to speaker thread.

actually ang habol ko sa mga entry level AVR na 'to is yung HDMI input. gonna use the hdmi out ng htpc ko para digital na sya.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: romevenom on Nov 16, 2007 at 10:45 PM
Hi all,

Ano po mas maganda, Onko 605 or Harman Kardon AVR 347? Ung Onkyo 605 kasi walang speaker pre-out
compared sa AVR 347. Tingin niyo po? Comments please.

Thanks!
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: MAtZTER on Nov 17, 2007 at 11:40 AM
No subs.My plan is to eventually shift to 100% 2ch music. So yung speakers na kukunin is really pang music not ht. And then stereo amp. unti unti.


If you want to use stereo amps in the future, You need to get a receiver model w/ pre outs.

Another option would be to go for a well powered integrated amp right away. Specially those w/ torroidal power supplies. They have more juice than receivers sharing the same number of watts to 7 channels, specially when the speakers dip to 4 ohms.

hmmm, the question would be "how much would you throw in for your speakers?"

Let me add too that its best to "MATCH" the level of your speakers to the level of your receiver.

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Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: romevenom on Nov 17, 2007 at 05:04 PM
Hi all,

Thanks po sa info, sa december padating na ung HK AVR 347. Sir pwede po ba gamitan ng Automatic Voltage Regulator un?
110v daw po kasi un.

Thanks
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: vapo_chill on Nov 25, 2007 at 01:29 AM
Quote
Let me add too that its best to "MATCH" the level of your speakers to the level of your receiver.

    * Entry level speakers match w/ entry level receiver
    * Mid level speakers match w/ mid level receiver
    * entry level speakers + mid receiver is better
    * Power amps are best for all speakers (so always get a receiver w/ pre outs)

which i posted in answer to squatter's question.

Quote
pick any of the two, both will surely sound superb for your HT. what you need to be careful of is on getting speakers to match them.


Quote
  * Power amps are best for all speakers (so always get a receiver w/ pre outs)

I agree! but the thing with receivers today is that most models with pre-outs are mid to hi-end ones. on the yammy side, as far as i can remember, their last entry level receiver that had pre-outs was the rx-v596 which came out 2001/02, it was replaced by the rx-v620 for the same price point but those pre-outs were gone. i just can't recall those denon and HK models which had the same fate.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: MAtZTER on Nov 26, 2007 at 02:43 PM
Quote
Let me add too that its best to "MATCH" the level of your speakers to the level of your receiver.

No worries sir. I was merely elaborating a bit more specifically about match ups to ALL readers. ;D

Its not unusual anymore to see people spending a lot on a popular mid level speaker & then buy the cheapest entry level receiver-->scene 2: they sell the whole setup, cuz "PANGIT" daw. Nakaka hinayang and I would actively recommend against this.

Yes, receivers w/ pre outs are a priced a bit higher. But the upgradability & sonic rewards of a power amp are worth it.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: vapo_chill on Nov 27, 2007 at 03:34 AM
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scene 2: they sell the whole setup, cuz "PANGIT" daw. Nakaka hinayang and I would actively recommend against this.

yes, napapansin ko nga din ito sir lately...
Title: Help me decide:CA Azur 640R vs Onkyo TX-SR705
Post by: Weng! on Nov 28, 2007 at 12:05 PM
Which of the 2 receivers will you choose to power a whole Wharfedale Evo speakers (evo30, center, evo10 & evo8)?

I am leaning towards the CA 640R due to the good reviews especially in audio. But it lacks the bells and whistles of the 705. Both are similarly priced (my guess??) and are already available here.

Cambridge Audio 640R
http://www.cambridgeaudio.com/summary.php?PID=139&Title=Azur%20640R%207.1%20HDMI%20AV%20Receiver (http://www.cambridgeaudio.com/summary.php?PID=139&Title=Azur%20640R%207.1%20HDMI%20AV%20Receiver)

Onkyo TR-SX705
http://www.onkyousa.com/model.cfm?m=TX-SR705&class=Receiver&p=i (http://www.onkyousa.com/model.cfm?m=TX-SR705&class=Receiver&p=i)

Heto muna, meron pa akong ibang pinagpipilian, PJ or LCD pero sa susunod nalang. Whaaaaa gastos!!!!!!

Thanks in advance pala sa mga sagot nyo.

WenG
Title: Re: Help me decide:CA Azur 640R vs Onkyo TX-SR705
Post by: oReOsHaKe on Nov 28, 2007 at 12:18 PM
Go for the Onkyo 705 since it has more features like: it can output HD audio formats (Dolby TrueHD, DTS-HD Master Audio, Dolby® Digital Plus and DTS-HD® High Resolution Audio), it is THX-Select2 certified, it has Zone 2 (you can output music to another room while another is watching a movie in another room), HDMI is version 1.3 already, auto-calibration of speaker system.. 
Title: Re: Help me decide:CA Azur 640R vs Onkyo TX-SR705
Post by: Mr.H on Nov 28, 2007 at 12:42 PM
Go for the Onkyo 705 since it has more features like: it can output HD audio formats (Dolby TrueHD, DTS-HD Master Audio, Dolby® Digital Plus and DTS-HD® High Resolution Audio), it is THX-Select2 certified, it has Zone 2 (you can output music to another room while another is watching a movie in another room), HDMI is version 1.3 already, auto-calibration of speaker system.. 

Yup!  I'll go for the Onkyo 705 too... more features and I think it sound & looks better! ;)
Title: Re: Help me decide:CA Azur 640R vs Onkyo TX-SR705
Post by: threadlock on Nov 28, 2007 at 01:01 PM
bro, saan mo nakita ang onkyo 705 and how much?
Title: Re: Help me decide:CA Azur 640R vs Onkyo TX-SR705
Post by: allenwfc on Nov 28, 2007 at 01:48 PM
Which of the 2 receivers will you choose to power a whole Wharfedale Evo speakers (evo30, center, evo10 & evo8)?

I am leaning towards the CA 640R due to the good reviews especially in audio. But it lacks the bells and whistles of the 705. Both are similarly priced (my guess??) and are already available here.

Cambridge Audio 640R
http://www.cambridgeaudio.com/summary.php?PID=139&Title=Azur%20640R%207.1%20HDMI%20AV%20Receiver (http://www.cambridgeaudio.com/summary.php?PID=139&Title=Azur%20640R%207.1%20HDMI%20AV%20Receiver)

Onkyo TR-SX705
http://www.onkyousa.com/model.cfm?m=TX-SR705&class=Receiver&p=i (http://www.onkyousa.com/model.cfm?m=TX-SR705&class=Receiver&p=i)

Heto muna, meron pa akong ibang pinagpipilian, PJ or LCD pero sa susunod nalang. Whaaaaa gastos!!!!!!

Thanks in advance pala sa mga sagot nyo.

WenG

get onkyo 705, been using it here with my evo setup and works great :)

also, get LCD for long term use and better budget value
Title: Re: Help me decide:CA Azur 640R vs Onkyo TX-SR705
Post by: lakambini on Nov 28, 2007 at 03:15 PM
GneW

Get the 705, it is more technologically advance than the CA.  CA's good point is of its more powerful amplifier.  Moreover, 705 delivers more value for your money since it's already features the latest codecs from dolby and dts unlike the 640r.  THX-certified and got the latest room eq from audyssey, just partner it with speakers that has decent sensitivity(88- 90).
Title: Re: Help me decide:CA Azur 640R vs Onkyo TX-SR705
Post by: Weng! on Nov 29, 2007 at 01:56 AM
now y'all had changed my mind towards the 705 ;D

i don't have HD gears yet that's why i did not bother earlier about the decoding features of the 705.


threadlock,

meron na daw stock sa theaterworks pero di pa na finalize ang pricing nila. abangan nalang natin dito....
Title: Re: Help me decide:CA Azur 640R vs Onkyo TX-SR705
Post by: oReOsHaKe on Nov 29, 2007 at 11:54 AM
now y'all had changed my mind towards the 705 ;D

i don't have HD gears yet that's why i did not bother earlier about the decoding features of the 705.


With the 705, future-proofed kana for possible future HD updates.. 
Title: pls help....onkyo 605 or denon 1908for wharfdale evo setup?
Post by: chariol on Dec 05, 2007 at 09:08 PM
pls. enlighten me with the pros and cons of each unit, and which unit will best match my wharfdale evo setup, TIA.
Title: Re: pls help....onkyo 605 or denon 1908for wharfdale evo setup?
Post by: lakambini on Dec 06, 2007 at 09:46 AM
you and i got the same dilemma of which AVR to choose.

if ur already into HD-audio, then the practical choice would be the onkyo.

however, if you're not yet into it, then the denon will be the ideal choice since it's much more affordable than the onkyo.

moreover, if ur evo's mainspeaker is a floorstander then get the denon since it has a better amplifier power.  On the opposite, the onkyo can virtually drive any bookshelf-type speaker with ease.
Title: Re: pls help....onkyo 605 or denon 1908for wharfdale evo setup?
Post by: Munskie on Dec 06, 2007 at 09:52 AM
If you are gonna go Onkyo, better skip the 605 and 705 and go straight to the 805.   Huge difference in build quality and parts.   This I can say after reading the posts in AVSforum when I was weighing options for a receiver upgrade.  :)
Title: Re: pls help....onkyo 605 or denon 1908for wharfdale evo setup?
Post by: looks on Dec 06, 2007 at 09:57 AM
meron na ba dito 805? how much kaya un?
Title: Re: pls help....onkyo 605 or denon 1908for wharfdale evo setup?
Post by: SirLaw11 on Dec 06, 2007 at 01:00 PM
Get the Onkyo TXSR875, this will drive your speakers beautifully plus it uses the famous Reon HQV chip for your video needs.
Title: ONKYO TX-SR875 vs Denon AVR-3808
Post by: lakambini on Dec 12, 2007 at 04:53 PM
Fellow pinoydvd-ers,

if u got d money to spend on a hi-end avr, which one would you choose?  3805 or 875?  tnx.
Title: Denon AVR-2808 or Yamaha RX-V1800
Post by: lakambini on Dec 12, 2007 at 04:54 PM
av_phile1

sir, which oneamong the 2 is a better buy?

tnx.
Title: Re: ONKYO TX-SR875 vs Denon AVR-3805
Post by: Munskie on Dec 12, 2007 at 04:59 PM
Fellow pinoydvd-ers,

if u got d money to spend on a hi-end avr, which one would you choose?  3805 or 875?  tnx.
i think this should be 3808 vs 875
Title: Re: ONKYO TX-SR875 vs Denon AVR-3805
Post by: lakambini on Dec 12, 2007 at 05:13 PM
i think this should be 3808 vs 875

Sir Munskie,

ur right, point taken, and, corrected.

cno po lucky buyer? :-\
Title: Re: ONKYO TX-SR875 vs Denon AVR-3808
Post by: Mouldingo on Dec 12, 2007 at 05:33 PM
The 3808 has internet radio and the Firmware updates via Ethernet. It also has an extra surround speaker output. The remote is cool cause its touchscreen. But there is a delay between switching between sources and surround modes. The Denon is already available in the market at SRP 96K while the Onkyo is expected next month.

http://denonsingapore.com/documentation/AVR3808_E2.pdf

http://www.intl.onkyo.com/downloads/product_info/pdf/tx-sr875_eu_aus_leaflet.pdf

Title: Re: ONKYO TX-SR875 vs Denon AVR-3808
Post by: Munskie on Dec 12, 2007 at 05:39 PM
click on the link http://www.theosfiles.com/zzz/receiver_compare_875_vs_3808CI.html (http://www.theosfiles.com/zzz/receiver_compare_875_vs_3808CI.html)

then compare.....

im pretty sure youll never go wrong choosing either one. 
Title: Re: ONKYO TX-SR875 vs Denon AVR-3808
Post by: lakambini on Dec 12, 2007 at 05:58 PM
sir mouldingo,

ur right, the RC of the Denon truly adds to the "pogi" point of the unit.
Title: Re: ONKYO TX-SR875 vs Denon AVR-3808
Post by: Munskie on Dec 12, 2007 at 06:04 PM
sample of denon 3808's GUI

(http://www.areadvd.de/images/2007/highend/denon_4308_gui_lssetup.jpg)

sample of 875's OSD

(http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=85451&d=1184730406)
Title: Re: ONKYO TX-SR875 vs Denon AVR-3808
Post by: Munskie on Dec 12, 2007 at 06:10 PM
Onkyo
pros
1. THX certified
2.  Reon video scaler chip (big difference for SD sources)
3.  sirius radio
4.  newer DACs

Denon
pros
1.  Ethernet (for firmware updates)
2.  USB port
3.  XM radio
4.  new graphical user interface (GUI)

Title: Re: ONKYO TX-SR875 vs Denon AVR-3808
Post by: lakambini on Dec 12, 2007 at 06:47 PM
Sir Munskie,

That's a very straightforward list of strengths of each receiver.  Seems am more inclined to the onkyo.  Not because of denon's poor quality but am not more on ethernet/internet connectivity features.

2 great receivers with each has its own unique strengths.  How much kaya ito priced locally kapag naging available na?!

Title: Re: ONKYO TX-SR875 vs Denon AVR-3808
Post by: Munskie on Dec 12, 2007 at 06:54 PM

2 great receivers with each has its own unique strengths.  How much kaya ito priced locally kapag naging available na?!

Inquire ka sa mga dealers sir, they are more than willing to help you find a receiver to suit your needs  ;)
Title: Re: ONKYO TX-SR875 vs Denon AVR-3808
Post by: Mouldingo on Dec 12, 2007 at 07:24 PM
Try reading sa AVS Forums regarding these two amps to see if there are issues regarding these products. I found some already...

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=876635&highlight=ONKYO+TX-SR875

-May ver 1.04 firmware na yung Onkyo 875 but you must use the serial port to load it or via service center. And there are issues of shutting down due to overheating. They seem to be pointing to the firmware as the cause... :P :P :P
Title: Re: Denon AVR-2808 or Yamaha RX-V1800
Post by: Lancito on Dec 12, 2007 at 10:55 PM
i have an AVR2808 and its awesome!  Best buy!
Title: Re: ONKYO TX-SR875 vs Denon AVR-3808
Post by: redhorse on Dec 13, 2007 at 07:18 AM
mouldingo,

pwede po ba malaman speakers nyo sa front? inclined na ako sa denon3808

magulo pa utak ko sa speakers.. hifi lang muna, tsaka na ht...


Title: Re: ONKYO TX-SR875 vs Denon AVR-3808
Post by: danrd on Dec 13, 2007 at 07:37 AM
mouldingo,

pwede po ba malaman speakers nyo sa front? inclined na ako sa denon3808

magulo pa utak ko sa speakers.. hifi lang muna, tsaka na ht...




Nice avr choice. I suggest you take these http://pinoydvd.com/board/index.php?topic=73014.0 You won't regret it. Performs not just well but GREAT! both on hi fi and ht as well.  ;)
Title: Re: ONKYO TX-SR875 vs Denon AVR-3808
Post by: staind01 on Dec 13, 2007 at 09:47 AM
Inquire ka sa mga dealers sir, they are more than willing to help you find a receiver to suit your needs  ;)

the quest continues...  ;D ;D ;D


j/k lang po! can't help it e.  ;D
Title: Re: Denon AVR-2808 or Yamaha RX-V1800
Post by: trackers888 on Dec 13, 2007 at 02:12 PM
i have an AVR2808 and its awesome!  Best buy!

How much Bro and where did you get your unit?
RXV1800 available na pero ang Onkyo 705 hindi pa
Title: Re: Denon AVR-2808 or Yamaha RX-V1800
Post by: Reymer on Dec 13, 2007 at 02:37 PM
av_phile1

sir, which oneamong the 2 is a better buy?

tnx.

Bro it depends on how you will use it. If you're more into HT, I think the Yamaha is better because of the added DSP modes (specially if you already have a separate audio setup). Used several brand AVRs and I finally stayed with yamaha (RXV1400) :)

But for my audio, I use Denon  ;D
Title: Re: Denon AVR-2808 or Yamaha RX-V1800
Post by: lakambini on Dec 13, 2007 at 02:46 PM
i have an AVR2808 and its awesome!  Best buy!

sir,

how much po and to what shop? does the 2808 sports the same Analogue-to-Digital converter as the yamaha's?
Title: Re: ONKYO TX-SR875 vs Denon AVR-3808
Post by: lakambini on Dec 13, 2007 at 02:55 PM
the 3805:

has several options on how you like to configure the 2 surround back channels.

the 875:

can double the power of the L&R main speakers through BTL.
has neat arrangement of speaker terminals
Title: Re: Denon AVR-2808 or Yamaha RX-V1800
Post by: 5Speed on Dec 13, 2007 at 03:29 PM
I'll go with Denon 2808...

I like the sound of  Denon more than the Yamaha.....(music wise)

Regarding the DSP's of Yamaha which is one of its strength, normally I do only use the embedded Dolby Digital / DTS / or THX signal from the DVD itself and dont use those DSP's programmed into the receiver so for me that particular strength of the Yamaha doesnt matter to me...

I do go for a much better music sounding receiver and I find Denon to be more musical to my ears than Yamaha...... but that's just me....what musical to me maybe different from the others.....

for pure HT, Yamaha is very very good, but I cant afford a seperate setup.... ;D
Title: Re: ONKYO TX-SR875 vs Denon AVR-3808
Post by: 5Speed on Dec 13, 2007 at 03:40 PM
3808 & 875?? hmmmm tough decision.... ::)

It's a toss up between the two for me.. Both are good sounding receivers to me...

maybe whichever is cheaper and with a lot of freebies gets my hard earned cash if I am in the market for one....hehehehe, I am sure both of these are good.

although there are already negative report on the 875 from the net which I think can be remedied later on, nonetheless the 875 is still a good receiver.... ;)

no negative report on the 3808 at the moment though, not that I've read off, maybe too early to tell at this point.... ;D

I am just wondering what happens to Marantz? Is there any new receivers from this manufacturer that is in the same specs with these Onkyo and Denons?

What about the other players like HK, Nad, Kenwood, JVC etc? I know Pioneer also have a new receiver that can match the Denon and Onkyos specs....
Title: Re: Denon AVR-2808 or Yamaha RX-V1800
Post by: trackers888 on Dec 13, 2007 at 03:52 PM
I'll go with Denon 2808...

I like the sound of  Denon more than the Yamaha.....(music wise)

Regarding the DSP's of Yamaha which is one of its strength, normally I do only use the embedded Dolby Digital / DTS / or THX signal from the DVD itself and dont use those DSP's programmed into the receiver so for me that particular strength of the Yamaha doesnt matter to me...

I do go for a much better music sounding receiver and I find Denon to be more musical to my ears than Yamaha...... but that's just me....what musical to me maybe different from the others.....

for pure HT, Yamaha is very very good, but I cant afford a seperate setup.... ;D


I wish I have spare time to go to AV store to do audition :( coz right now, I'm only relying on your inputs on which AVR is the best for both HT and audio.
Title: Re: ONKYO TX-SR875 vs Denon AVR-3808
Post by: SirLaw11 on Dec 13, 2007 at 04:11 PM
Quote
I am just wondering what happens to Marantz? Is there any new receivers from this manufacturer that is in the same specs with these Onkyo and Denons?

Marantz have the SR7002 and SR8002.
Title: Re: Denon AVR-2808 or Yamaha RX-V1800
Post by: 5Speed on Dec 13, 2007 at 04:42 PM

I wish I have spare time to go to AV store to do audition :( coz right now, I'm only relying on your inputs on which AVR is the best for both HT and audio.

Please do audition, and find time to....these AVR that you are considering are considered to be mid-level and a bit expensive already. You dont want to get an AVR that does not meet your expectation and will be sorry in the end do you?

Well if you really cant find time to hear these two AVR side by side, then you can just trust our post in here... I am sure many of us here in PinoyDVD has one way or the other own or hear side by side these two receivers and can share their experience/inputs....:)
Title: Re: ONKYO TX-SR875 vs Denon AVR-3808
Post by: 5Speed on Dec 13, 2007 at 04:43 PM
Marantz have the SR7002 and SR8002.


hmmmm.... tnx... I havent seen it yet in shops though....
Title: Re: ONKYO TX-SR875 vs Denon AVR-3808
Post by: lakambini on Dec 13, 2007 at 05:54 PM
3808 & 875?? hmmmm tough decision.... ::)

It's a toss up between the two for me.. Both are good sounding receivers to me...

maybe whichever is cheaper and with a lot of freebies gets my hard earned cash if I am in the market for one....hehehehe, I am sure both of these are good.

although there are already negative report on the 875 from the net which I think can be remedied later on, nonetheless the 875 is still a good receiver.... ;)

no negative report on the 3808 at the moment though, not that I've read off, maybe too early to tell at this point.... ;D

I am just wondering what happens to Marantz? Is there any new receivers from this manufacturer that is in the same specs with these Onkyo and Denons?

What about the other players like HK, Nad, Kenwood, JVC etc? I know Pioneer also have a new receiver that can match the Denon and Onkyos specs....

Ur right sir, theseare really good, ifnot great-sounding receivers.

re marantz, recentlysaw a 4002 model in trinoma.

sino kaya ang makapagbibigay ng super value for money between the two?
Title: Re: Denon AVR-2808 or Yamaha RX-V1800
Post by: lakambini on Dec 13, 2007 at 06:01 PM
trackers888

i was having the same dilemma b4..........up to now.  I suggest that you find a dealer who is willingto auditio the unit in your own home, with all your equipments and in your surrounding. trust your ears. best buys award and five star ratings are useful guide in making a short-list but not necessarily produce great sound.  again trust your ears.

onmy part, i want to buy either the 3808 or 875, however due to budget constraints am now choosing between yamaha 1800 and denon 2808. 

right now denon is slightly ahead on my "barometer".  because of its proven amplifier power. though yamaha is vastly rich in features.
Title: Re: ONKYO TX-SR875 vs Denon AVR-3808
Post by: MAtZTER on Dec 13, 2007 at 06:14 PM
Was actually saving up for a video processor after I saw the performance of a Meridian upscaler.

The 875 might be a good alternative for me since its already got a video processor.

Sayang, I wont be using the power amp section of the 875 since I have power amps.

isip isip....
Title: Re: ONKYO TX-SR875 vs Denon AVR-3808
Post by: Munskie on Dec 13, 2007 at 06:26 PM
Was actually saving up for a video processor after I saw the performance of a Meridian upscaler.

The 875 might be a good alternative for me since its already got a video processor.

Sayang, I wont be using the power amp section of the 875 since I have power amps.

isip isip....
uy new quest matt.....I hope you find the right AVR for you soon..... ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: ONKYO TX-SR875 vs Denon AVR-3808
Post by: lakambini on Dec 13, 2007 at 06:33 PM
matzter,

ur right, the 875 uses the high-performing HQV video chip as opposedto the more common DCDi by faroudja.

the video chip being employed by d 875 is the same chip used by other brands in their top-end video players.

i found this feature of onkyo to be very appealing.
Title: Re: Denon AVR-2808 or Yamaha RX-V1800
Post by: trackers888 on Dec 13, 2007 at 07:55 PM
Please do audition, and find time to....these AVR that you are considering are considered to be mid-level and a bit expensive already. You dont want to get an AVR that does not meet your expectation and will be sorry in the end do you?

Well if you really cant find time to hear these two AVR side by side, then you can just trust our post in here... I am sure many of us here in PinoyDVD has one way or the other own or hear side by side these two receivers and can share their experience/inputs....:)

That is exactly what I'm doing right now, reading others post and compare. But since the units are new, bihira pa ang reviews na mababasa mo. I consider so many things already, although I learn what are those still I don't have the baseline since I'm new to this kind of technology. I read "THX certified" and or "Dolby TRUE HD" through PDVD lang pero hindi ko alam what to expect :D. I have prepared 7.1 speakers pero wala pang AVR, funny isn't it?  ;D Actually, nai-deliver na ang Centauri A and Bada LC ni Matz pero ang AVR wala pa. What I want is AVR that I can enjoy kahit na may bagong technology pa ulit in the coming years.

That is my problem Sir 5speed, I really do not have time (3 weeks vacation only) since its a holiday season. I want to spent quality time to my kids and wifey on this very important occasion ;D baka ma forfeit na yung wife approval ko :D

trackers888

i was having the same dilemma b4..........up to now.  I suggest that you find a dealer who is willingto auditio the unit in your own home, with all your equipments and in your surrounding. trust your ears. best buys award and five star ratings are useful guide in making a short-list but not necessarily produce great sound.  again trust your ears.

onmy part, i want to buy either the 3808 or 875, however due to budget constraints am now choosing between yamaha 1800 and denon 2808. 

right now denon is slightly ahead on my "barometer".  because of its proven amplifier power. though yamaha is vastly rich in features.

@ Lakambini, push thru mo parin ba ang Denon over Yamaha? What about Onkyo 705?
Meron kayang dealer who can do audition in my own place? I'm leaving in Western Visayas kasi. Kung meron man, sino kaya sya, invite ko na agad :D I have three choices actually, although the price is way above my limit, I still consider it because of the latest technology. Ang hirap kasi, once you buy entry level and later on you want something more, mahirap na unless magpalit ka ulit ng AVR. Kaya ang plan ko, mag invest na sa AVR ngayon palang.
Title: Re: Denon AVR-2808 or Yamaha RX-V1800
Post by: 5Speed on Dec 13, 2007 at 08:15 PM
well if I were in your shoes right now, I will go for 2808 over 1800......

I have heard those two side by side and I like the sound of denon better than yamaha......the 2808 has the AL24 processor, a proprietry product of denon, their lower model dont have these, the audyssey setup of denon is awesome.....A friend of mine has an older model of denon, the 2807. He previously had a Yammy previously though a lower model, but with YPAO as well. but I think the audyssey is better....(well maybe Yammy upgraded their YPAO already).



BTW, what is your speaker ba? ;D
Title: Re: Denon AVR-2808 or Yamaha RX-V1800
Post by: trackers888 on Dec 13, 2007 at 08:25 PM
well if I were in your shoes right now, I will go for 2808 over 1800......

I have heard those two side by side and I like the sound of denon better than yamaha......the 2808 has the AL24 processor, a proprietry product of denon, their lower model dont have these, the audyssey setup of denon is awesome.....A friend of mine has an older model of denon, the 2807. He previously had a Yammy previously though a lower model, but with YPAO as well. but I think the audyssey is better....(well maybe Yammy upgraded their YPAO already).



BTW, what is your speaker ba? ;D

Thanks sa input Sir 5speed, highly appreciated ;D Do you think is it worthy to wait for Onkyo 705 pa? ;D
My speakers are Mission M34 Series, its a pre-owned from fellow PDVD rin, mga pinagsawaan nila ;) and Velo CHT-R12 SW which is on hold muna from Cyber coz AVR still missing :D
Title: Re: Denon AVR-2808 or Yamaha RX-V1800
Post by: 5Speed on Dec 13, 2007 at 10:02 PM
Bro....

Your mission will be very compatible with Denon..... I have an all Mission setup...sub is a Velo....

Get a good cables for optimum performance....

Now to your questions whether its still worth to wait for the Onkyo.....

My question is....can you still wait?  ;D ;D

For me, its a toss up between Onkyo and Denon.....both are good sounding receiver.....

Title: Re: Denon AVR-2808 or Yamaha RX-V1800
Post by: trackers888 on Dec 13, 2007 at 10:09 PM
Bro....

Your mission will be very compatible with Denon..... I have an all Mission setup...sub is a Velo....

Get a good cables for optimum performance....

Now to your questions whether its still worth to wait for the Onkyo.....

My question is....can you still wait?  ;D ;D

For me, its a toss up between Onkyo and Denon.....both are good sounding receiver.....



Thanks thanks! Same pala tayo ng speakers? :D
Marami kasi advice na maganda performance nito kaya binili ko na. Highly recommended ni DanRD ;D
I will ask you guys ulit regarding interconnects kung may AVR na.
Bigla akong natigilan duon ah ??? I can wait pa, kakayanin ko :D :D :D Anu pa dapat kung i-consider between the 2?
Price of Denon AVR2808 is 63750 while Onkyo 705 was is still unknown ;)
Title: Re: Help me decide:CA Azur 640R vs Onkyo TX-SR705
Post by: Lucky7 on Dec 14, 2007 at 05:01 AM
if music is your priority then get the CA if HT then get the ONKYO.Remember that features just come and go unlike the sound quality.
Title: Re: Help me decide:CA Azur 640R vs Onkyo TX-SR705
Post by: Weng! on Dec 14, 2007 at 05:44 AM
thanks sir. but i got the denon 2308 already. iba yung nabili ko sa pinagpipilian ;D
Title: Re: Help me decide:CA Azur 640R vs Onkyo TX-SR705
Post by: lakambini on Dec 14, 2007 at 10:52 AM
thanks sir. but i got the denon 2308 already. iba yung nabili ko sa pinagpipilian ;D

Actually, these 3 receivers make a pretty cornestone of any home theatre.

640R known for its power, so speaker-partnering will be easy, regardless  of impedance (at least 4 ohms) and sensitivity.

705THX-certified, latest audio codecs.

2308 made in japan component. denon sound.
Title: Re: Denon AVR-2808 or Yamaha RX-V1800
Post by: lakambini on Dec 14, 2007 at 10:56 AM
Thanks thanks! Same pala tayo ng speakers? :D
Marami kasi advice na maganda performance nito kaya binili ko na. Highly recommended ni DanRD ;D
I will ask you guys ulit regarding interconnects kung may AVR na.
Bigla akong natigilan duon ah ??? I can wait pa, kakayanin ko :D :D :D Anu pa dapat kung i-consider between the 2?
Price of Denon AVR2808 is 63750 while Onkyo 705 was is still unknown ;)


trackers888

if torn between two lovers, este receivers, choose the more reasonably priced one.

better sing the song kailan by smokey mountain, than bakit ngayon ka lang by ogie alcasid. he... he... he....
Title: Re: ONKYO TX-SR875 vs Denon AVR-3808
Post by: lakambini on Dec 14, 2007 at 11:17 AM
http://http://www.eu.onkyo.com/dl/1026711/13648998_71340b3e95.pdf

a review of 875 by HomeCinemaChoice
Title: Re: Denon AVR-2808 or Yamaha RX-V1800
Post by: kt on Dec 14, 2007 at 11:56 AM
uy ayan na si idol richard! hehe balita bro! ako napapaisip narin tuloy sa avr...hehe
Title: Re: Denon AVR-2808 or Yamaha RX-V1800
Post by: trackers888 on Dec 15, 2007 at 05:43 AM
trackers888

if torn between two lovers, este receivers, choose the more reasonably priced one.

better sing the song kailan by smokey mountain, than bakit ngayon ka lang by ogie alcasid. he... he... he....

Kung price ang basehan, Denon wins coz Yamaha RXV1800 is more expensive than Denon AVR2808 ;)
:D Dapat yata e yung kantang  "Si Aida o si Lorna o si Fe"  ;D

uy ayan na si idol richard! hehe balita bro! ako napapaisip narin tuloy sa avr...hehe



Idol ka jan  ???:o
Eto Karl judgment day na  :D Come what may, bahala na si Batman :D :D :D
Title: Re: Denon AVR-2808 or Yamaha RX-V1800
Post by: kt on Dec 15, 2007 at 02:53 PM
Kung price ang basehan, Denon wins coz Yamaha RXV1800 is more expensive than Denon AVR2808 ;)
:D Dapat yata e yung kantang  "Si Aida o si Lorna o si Fe"  ;D
 

Idol ka jan  ???:o
Eto Karl judgment day na  :D Come what may, bahala na si Batman :D :D :D

richard kelan na ba uwe mo? basta pili nalang among the 3 choices mo denon, onkyo or yamaha. ako din napapaisip sa denon or onkyo! haha  :D
Title: Re: Denon AVR-2808 or Yamaha RX-V1800
Post by: lakambini on Dec 17, 2007 at 09:26 AM
kt,

same predicament here, how much b onkyo 705/805 and yam 1800 locally?
Title: Re: Denon AVR-2808 or Yamaha RX-V1800
Post by: kt on Dec 17, 2007 at 09:41 PM
kt,

same predicament here, how much b onkyo 705/805 and yam 1800 locally?

bro wala pa yata release satin yung 705 eh. sana ok ang price kasi yung denon2808 medyo mahal narin eh
Title: Re: Denon AVR-2808 or Yamaha RX-V1800
Post by: bono vox on Dec 18, 2007 at 07:06 PM
av_phile1

sir, which oneamong the 2 is a better buy?

tnx.

for me.... denon, warm sounding.... yammy, bright sounding... it's up to you.  ;D
Title: Re: Denon AVR-2808 or Yamaha RX-V1800
Post by: lakambini on Dec 19, 2007 at 09:42 AM
for me.... denon, warm sounding.... yammy, bright sounding... it's up to you.  ;D

ano po partnering speakers ur using for the denon?
Title: Re: Denon AVR-2808 or Yamaha RX-V1800
Post by: bono vox on Dec 19, 2007 at 11:24 AM
ano po partnering speakers ur using for the denon?

again, for me... nothing beats the b&w, specially the 600series & up!, then you may try the dynaudio, but these are hard driving speakers so you may need a powerful amp to maximize their ability, also, you may consider the atlantic speakers, from system 2200 and up!  ;D
Title: Re: Denon AVR-2808 or Yamaha RX-V1800
Post by: lakambini on Dec 19, 2007 at 11:58 AM
bono vox

what particular b&w model is most ideal for the 2808?
Title: Re: Denon AVR-2808 or Yamaha RX-V1800
Post by: bono vox on Dec 19, 2007 at 10:54 PM
bono vox

what particular b&w model is most ideal for the 2808?

try to audition the 602 if still available, if not, go for 685, and if the budget is no problem, go to 700 series... you can't go wrong for the b&w.
Title: Re: Denon AVR-2808 or Yamaha RX-V1800
Post by: Reymer on Dec 19, 2007 at 10:58 PM
for me.... denon, warm sounding.... yammy, bright sounding... it's up to you.  ;D

This is a general misconception about Yamaha. Maybe only the lower/entry models sound bright, but not the upper models. Try to audition first. Im using B&W 602s with my RXV1400 and RXV2600 and I dont find them bright-sounding  ;)
Title: Re: Denon AVR-2808 or Yamaha RX-V1800
Post by: bono vox on Dec 19, 2007 at 11:04 PM
This is a general misconception about Yamaha. Maybe only the lower/entry models sound bright, but not the upper models. Try to audition first. Im using B&W 602s with my RXV1400 and RXV2600 and I dont find them bright-sounding  ;)

hi reymer... how's your new lcd?  ;D ;D ;D
before, i own a yammy 795a... that's why i go for the denon now.  :D
Title: Re: Denon AVR-2808 or Yamaha RX-V1800
Post by: Reymer on Dec 19, 2007 at 11:10 PM
LCDs still OK, no problem ;) Maybe the 795 is a bit bright, but the RXV1400 and 2600 Im now using are not. (I never used the YPAO though, just set all the eq's to 0dB, FLAT). Sounds warm with the 602s3.
Title: Re: Denon AVR-2808 or Yamaha RX-V1800
Post by: lakambini on Dec 20, 2007 at 10:13 AM
gentlemen,

as one enthusiasts say: higher models of the famous brands are warmer-sounding, maybe the brightness also depends on the attached sources/ancilliaries.
Title: Re: Denon AVR-2808 or Yamaha RX-V1800
Post by: bono vox on Dec 20, 2007 at 10:40 AM
gentlemen,

as one enthusiasts say: higher models of the famous brands are warmer-sounding, maybe the brightness also depends on the attached sources/ancilliaries.

the best way is to audition and listen..... then follow your ears, every individual have different tastes. ;D
Title: Re: Denon AVR-2808 or Yamaha RX-V1800
Post by: lakambini on Dec 20, 2007 at 12:01 PM
the best way is to audition and listen..... then follow your ears, every individual have different tastes. ;D

korek ka jan sir and if posib;e audition it in your own home, with your materials.  Characteristix f showrums tend to be a lot differ in your own entertainment rum.
Title: Re: Denon AVR-2808 or Yamaha RX-V1800
Post by: kt on Dec 20, 2007 at 01:30 PM
bro lakambini so ano na choice mo? hehe kakalito dami choices eh
Title: Re: Denon AVR-2808 or Yamaha RX-V1800
Post by: lakambini on Dec 20, 2007 at 01:39 PM
bro lakambini so ano na choice mo? hehe kakalito dami choices eh

kt,

since i'm more into music than ht, i'll go for the denon - as of now.  the features ofthe 1800 are very attractive especially to "tweakers" like me.

As of 12-20-07 denon 80 - yamaha 20.

Also , inmy opinion, thedenon has a more powerful amplifier, thoughthe yam employ its in-house custom-made 64-bit LSI DSP.
Title: Re: Denon AVR-2808 or Yamaha RX-V1800
Post by: kt on Dec 20, 2007 at 01:56 PM
kt,

since i'm more into music than ht, i'll go for the denon - as of now.  the features ofthe 1800 are very attractive especially to "tweakers" like me.

As of 12-20-07 denon 80 - yamaha 20.

Also , inmy opinion, thedenon has a more powerful amplifier, thoughthe yam employ its in-house custom-made 64-bit LSI DSP.

bro! hehe ako naman denon2808 or onkyo705...hirap ng choices eh
Title: Re: Denon AVR-2808 or Yamaha RX-V1800
Post by: bono vox on Dec 20, 2007 at 02:20 PM
bro! hehe ako naman denon2808 or onkyo705...hirap ng choices eh

hehehe...
Title: Re: Denon AVR-2808 or Yamaha RX-V1800
Post by: kt on Dec 20, 2007 at 02:36 PM
hehehe...

hay wala talagang katapusan tong bisyo natin bro!  :D
Title: Re: Denon AVR-2808 or Yamaha RX-V1800
Post by: bono vox on Dec 20, 2007 at 03:11 PM
hay wala talagang katapusan tong bisyo natin bro!  :D

magastos!... pero sulit, hindi pang selfish na bisyo, lahat ng kaibigan at kamag-anak puwedeng maka-appreciate pag nasubukan nila.  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Denon AVR-2808 or Yamaha RX-V1800
Post by: silhouette on Dec 20, 2007 at 04:01 PM
gurus, how much is the going rate of 2808 now?  My 1802 is already looking for a big brother, wala pa kasi power amp. :)

@bono.  nice denon you got there.
Title: Re: Denon AVR-2808 or Yamaha RX-V1800
Post by: kt on Dec 20, 2007 at 04:02 PM
magastos!... pero sulit, hindi pang selfish na bisyo, lahat ng kaibigan at kamag-anak puwedeng maka-appreciate pag nasubukan nila.  ;D ;D ;D

hehe yup bro sulit naman talaga! magastos lang hehe  :D
Title: Re: Denon AVR-2808 or Yamaha RX-V1800
Post by: lakambini on Dec 20, 2007 at 04:30 PM
bro! hehe ako naman denon2808 or onkyo705...hirap ng choices eh

kt,

wow 705 isalso asmart choice. In addition, THXcertified pa!

2808 uses burr-brown dacs
705 uses crytal dacs
Title: Re: Denon AVR-2808 or Yamaha RX-V1800
Post by: bono vox on Dec 20, 2007 at 04:37 PM
@bono.  nice denon you got there.

thanks sir  ;)
Title: Re: Denon AVR-2808 or Yamaha RX-V1800
Post by: kt on Dec 20, 2007 at 05:17 PM
kt,

wow 705 isalso asmart choice. In addition, THXcertified pa!

2808 uses burr-brown dacs
705 uses crytal dacs

yup bro so many factors to consider kaya mas nakakalito! haha
Title: Re: Denon AVR-2808 or Yamaha RX-V1800
Post by: Reymer on Dec 20, 2007 at 07:42 PM
kt,

since i'm more into music than ht, i'll go for the denon - as of now.  the features ofthe 1800 are very attractive especially to "tweakers" like me.

As of 12-20-07 denon 80 - yamaha 20.

Also , inmy opinion, thedenon has a more powerful amplifier, thoughthe yam employ its in-house custom-made 64-bit LSI DSP.

If you're more into HT -> Yamaha (great DSP)
If you're more into Audio -> Denon

I, myself, use a Denon amp in my Audio setup  :D. But for HT, Yamaha pa rin  ;) (also had an onkyo before, never again :()
Title: Re: Denon AVR-2808 or Yamaha RX-V1800
Post by: tambutsoo on Dec 20, 2007 at 08:55 PM
how much na ang Yamaha RX-V1800 ngayon ?
Title: Re: Denon AVR-2808 or Yamaha RX-V1800
Post by: Reymer on Dec 21, 2007 at 10:01 AM
how much na ang Yamaha RX-V1800 ngayon ?

The last time I checked at The Home Theater, 69k daw  :-X
Title: Re: Denon AVR-2808 or Yamaha RX-V1800
Post by: Weng! on Dec 21, 2007 at 06:11 PM
bro! hehe ako naman denon2808 or onkyo705...hirap ng choices eh

kung price ang pagbabasihan mas mura lang ang 705 compared to the 2808. the 705 is priced in the range of denon 2308 ;D
Title: Re: ONKYO TX-SR875 vs Denon AVR-3808
Post by: tambutsoo on Dec 22, 2007 at 04:08 PM
guys magkano ONKYO TX-SR875? tnx
Title: Re: Denon AVR-2808 or Yamaha RX-V1800
Post by: kt on Dec 22, 2007 at 04:19 PM
kung price ang pagbabasihan mas mura lang ang 705 compared to the 2808. the 705 is priced in the range of denon 2308 ;D

bro ganun ba? how about the performance n quality pwede ba sila macompare or same level ba sila? tnx
Title: Re: Denon AVR-2808 or Yamaha RX-V1800
Post by: Weng! on Dec 23, 2007 at 04:49 PM
bro ganun ba? how about the performance n quality pwede ba sila macompare or same level ba sila? tnx

bro, i own a 2308 and never heard/auditioned a 705 yet. the 2808 and 705 are probably of the same league feature-wise as both can decode trueHD.
Title: Re: Denon AVR-2808 or Yamaha RX-V1800
Post by: kt on Dec 24, 2007 at 01:40 PM
bro, i own a 2308 and never heard/auditioned a 705 yet. the 2808 and 705 are probably of the same league feature-wise as both can decode trueHD.
ah ok tnx bro!
Title: Re: Denon AVR-2808 or Yamaha RX-V1800
Post by: trackers888 on Dec 25, 2007 at 04:42 PM
ah ok tnx bro!

Bro KT, 2808 rock nga talaga! :D
Mahal nga lang ;D
Title: Re: Denon AVR-2808 or Yamaha RX-V1800
Post by: kt on Dec 25, 2007 at 04:47 PM
Bro KT, 2808 rock nga talaga! :D
Mahal nga lang ;D

richard musta! yan na ba kunin mo? hehe
Title: Re: ONKYO TX-SR875 vs Denon AVR-3808
Post by: tambutsoo on Jan 01, 2008 at 10:33 AM
guys magkano ONKYO TX-SR875? tnx



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Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers HK AVR245 vs. Marantz 5001
Post by: doublej on Jan 11, 2008 at 06:47 PM
Mga bossing maybe you can help me. I'm trying to decide on what receiver to buy -- HK AVR245 or Marantz 5001.  My entertainment room is about 13 square meters> Salamat po
Title: sakura vs konzert vs hotta
Post by: ditterdi on Jan 24, 2008 at 12:54 AM
Hi,

I bought a few karaoke machines for rent out. They have Sakura amplies, Konzert amplie and Hotta amplie. They are the same, Toshba power transistors (4 Darlingtons, makes 8 transistors!).
Nothing single chip build but lose components.
They look simple but well build. The surround has no traceble dolby chip, the rear speakers are two but mono.

cheers,

Leo.
Title: Re: Denon AVR-2808 or Yamaha RX-V1800
Post by: theblue on Jan 30, 2008 at 11:31 AM
Sir's just need some opinion. Are Denon receivers good in handling Yamaha speakers? Can you call them compatible with each other?
Title: Re: Denon AVR-2808 or Yamaha RX-V1800
Post by: av_phile1 on Jan 30, 2008 at 12:05 PM
The 2808 has the decoders for the new lossless DolbyTrueHD and DTS-HD/MA.  Plus the new HDMI 1.3 circuit.  Those features are what makes the model expensive. There's no need for these since HD DVD and Blu-ray players already have them. And it's highly doubtful receiver decoding forHD audio tracks is superior to player decoding at this time.

And that it's THX ultra 2 certified besides.

 
Title: Re: Denon AVR-2808 or Yamaha RX-V1800
Post by: theblue on Jan 30, 2008 at 02:41 PM
Sir, which Denon receiver is the cheapest and yet having Audyssey calibration setup?
Title: Re: Denon AVR-2808 or Yamaha RX-V1800
Post by: Lancito on Jan 30, 2008 at 03:05 PM
The 2808 has the decoders for the new lossless DolbyTrueHD and DTS-HD/MA.  Plus the new HDMI 1.3 circuit.  Those features are what makes the model expensive. There's no need for these since HD DVD and Blu-ray players already have them. And it's highly doubtful receiver decoding forHD audio tracks is superior to player decoding at this time.

And that it's THX ultra 2 certified besides.

 

Whoah!  This definitely got me thinking.  Does it mean my recent purchase of the 2808 is kinda "useless" if my purchase was I based on its capability to decode DolbyTrueHD and DTS-HD/MA?  I also took into consideration future proofing my system even for a couple of years.  But your post states otherwise.  You mean this extra feature over the 2308 is not necessarily needed since blu-ray players can do its own decoding?  Am I getting this right?  And I quote AV_Phile1 "The 2808 has the decoders for the new lossless DolbyTrueHD and DTS-HD/MA.  Plus the new HDMI 1.3 circuit.  Those features are what makes the model expensive no need for these since HD DVD and Blu-ray players already have them".

I think I could have saved more if this thread was started 2 months back.
Title: Re: Denon AVR-2808 or Yamaha RX-V1800
Post by: MAtZTER on Jan 30, 2008 at 03:54 PM
The 2808 has the decoders for the new lossless DolbyTrueHD and DTS-HD/MA.  Plus the new HDMI 1.3 circuit.  Those features are what makes the model expensive. There's no need for these since HD DVD and Blu-ray players already have them. And it's highly doubtful receiver decoding forHD audio tracks is superior to player decoding at this time.

And that it's THX ultra 2 certified besides.

Sir the 2808 isnt THX certified. Denon 5308 is THX ultra 2 certified though.

Lance, what sir AV meant is that you dont need the receiver decoders for now since the current player's decoders are good enough... at this time. Maybe someday when Hd players are at the 5000 peso level, then the receiver's decoder may outperform the player's decoder.

But there is still a benefit though, if you let your 2808 do the decoding, you can take advantage of the Audysey EQ. This I cant do on my 2807... if I go HD (w/c I still dont plan to  :D)

Title: Re: Denon AVR-2808 or Yamaha RX-V1800
Post by: av_phile1 on Jan 30, 2008 at 04:08 PM
Sir the 2808 isnt THX certified. Denon 5308 is THX ultra 2 certified though.


I sit corrected.  Thanks.  ;D
Title: Re: Denon AVR-2808 or Yamaha RX-V1800
Post by: av_phile1 on Jan 30, 2008 at 05:09 PM
Whoah!  This definitely got me thinking.  Does it mean my recent purchase of the 2808 is kinda "useless" if my purchase was I based on its capability to decode DolbyTrueHD and DTS-HD/MA?  I also took into consideration future proofing my system even for a couple of years.  But your post states otherwise.  You mean this extra feature over the 2308 is not necessarily needed since blu-ray players can do its own decoding?  Am I getting this right?  And I quote AV_Phile1 "The 2808 has the decoders for the new lossless DolbyTrueHD and DTS-HD/MA.  Plus the new HDMI 1.3 circuit.  Those features are what makes the model expensive no need for these since HD DVD and Blu-ray players already have them".

I think I could have saved more if this thread was started 2 months back.

Certainly not useless.  And am sorry if I had alarmed you in anyway, Lancito.  But yes, had you consulted us before, I would have been quite vocal against getting the new generation receivers with the lossless decoding feature at this time or even in the next 12 months.  Not only are the chips used for decoding them come from a few makers so that there'd really be little or no promise of superiority in outboard decoding, there's more.  The interactivity features of HD DVD and Blu-ray discs when authored in advance content format (which those with interactivity features do) cannot be realized if the decoding is done outside the player at this time. This is done to fully comply with the high defnition specs of both formats in the disc content encoding process.  That may change in the future though. 

But admittedly, if you plan to buy the earlier Blu-Ray players from Sony, the outboard decoder on your 2808 will come in handy as these first generation players now being sold at bargain prices do not internally decode DTS-MA or DolbyTHD but can pass the raw datastreams via HDMI.  But I would not want to buy first generation HD players myself.   

SO for all intents and purposes, your 2808 can be considered future-proof once those HD discs get encoded that would allow interactivity to be played with outboard decoding.  But this is still a wild card.  And I wouldn't bet on it.  Most HD pundits in other forums are one in saying receiver decoding and HDMI 1.3 are not necessary for anyone to enjoy the new lossless audio formats, unless the industry comes out with music-only contents in lossless codecs where interactivity is not required. 

But to your concern that you could have saved more, I'm sorry but I must say I agree.  You could have gotten a more powerful receiver at the current price of the 2808.  That goes even if you have HD players now or in the next 12 mos, I dare say.  Sometimes I really have to wonder what these receiver makers are doing for their markets.  They sometimes just ride on the recent technological buzzwords to be seen as cuting edge. They see the words DolbyTrueHD and DTS-HD and HDMI 1.3 and they immediately implement them on their products without realizing doing so is still irrelevant in the emerging high definition products.   It's fine if they price their new products low, but because they are supposed to be on the cutting edge, they're relatively more expensive.  But the other features of the 2808 are quite useful alright. And you do have one of the most advance recievers available on the planet at this time. 
Title: Re: Denon AVR-2808 or Yamaha RX-V1800
Post by: Lancito on Jan 30, 2008 at 10:53 PM
That was well said.  A perfect example of words from an expert.  No further questions nor comments.  Im all good!  Thanks AV.
Title: Re: Denon AVR-2808 or Yamaha RX-V1800
Post by: dts-HD 3D on Jan 31, 2008 at 01:35 AM
Certainly not useless.  And am sorry if I had alarmed you in anyway, Lancito.  But yes, had you consulted us before, I would have been quite vocal against getting the new generation receivers with the lossless decoding feature at this time or even in the next 12 months.  Not only are the chips used for decoding them come from a few makers so that there'd really be little or no promise of superiority in outboard decoding, there's more.  The interactivity features of HD DVD and Blu-ray discs when authored in advance content format (which those with interactivity features do) cannot be realized if the decoding is done outside the player at this time. This is done to fully comply with the high defnition specs of both formats in the disc content encoding process.  That may change in the future though. 

But admittedly, if you plan to buy the earlier Blu-Ray players from Sony, the outboard decoder on your 2808 will come in handy as these first generation players now being sold at bargain prices do not internally decode DTS-MA or DolbyTHD but can pass the raw datastreams via HDMI.  But I would not want to buy first generation HD players myself.   

SO for all intents and purposes, your 2808 can be considered future-proof once those HD discs get encoded that would allow interactivity to be played with outboard decoding.  But this is still a wild card.  And I wouldn't bet on it.  Most HD pundits in other forums are one in saying receiver decoding and HDMI 1.3 are not necessary for anyone to enjoy the new lossless audio formats, unless the industry comes out with music-only contents in lossless codecs where interactivity is not required. 

But to your concern that you could have saved more, I'm sorry but I must say I agree.  You could have gotten a more powerful receiver at the current price of the 2808.  That goes even if you have HD players now or in the next 12 mos, I dare say.  Sometimes I really have to wonder what these receiver makers are doing for their markets.  They sometimes just ride on the recent technological buzzwords to be seen as cuting edge. They see the words DolbyTrueHD and DTS-HD and HDMI 1.3 and they immediately implement them on their products without realizing doing so is still irrelevant in the emerging high definition products.   It's fine if they price their new products low, but because they are supposed to be on the cutting edge, they're relatively more expensive.  But the other features of the 2808 are quite useful alright. And you do have one of the most advance recievers available on the planet at this time. 

Nice info . . . nabawasan tuloy ang itch to buy a new HD receiver.
Title: Re: Denon AVR-2808 or Yamaha RX-V1800
Post by: oReOsHaKe on Jan 31, 2008 at 01:49 AM
Is there a difference between the player or the receiver decoding the HD audio?  If there is, which is better then?  To be able to enjoy HD audio, will the receiver need to decode this in order to output lossless HD audio to the speaker?  I was thinking since the speakers are not connected to the player directly and that the player is connected to the receiver, the receiver should be capable of decoding lossless HD audio for one to enjoy lossless HD audio, or else the audio (decoded by the player) will just be downgraded to a lossy HD audio if the receiver is not capable of decoding lossless HD audio.   ??? ??? ??? 

 
Title: Re: Denon AVR-2808 or Yamaha RX-V1800
Post by: dts-HD 3D on Jan 31, 2008 at 02:58 AM
Fr. what I know, we really need a DolbyTrueHD and DTS-HD receiver to enjoy lossless HD audio otherwise, it will simply be converted to an improved DTS or DD format. Personally, I can hear the diff. already even w/ my non-HDMI receiver whenever I switch fr. standard DTS to DTS-HD(same w/ DD to TrueHD). Thats why I'm happy w/ it at the moment tho' I'm very sure lossless sounds much better . . . maybe if it gets a bit cheaper in a few more months. True, Im also shocked at the current price of HDMI1.3 receivers in our local market today . . . parang di makatarungan! ;D
Title: Re: Denon AVR-2808 or Yamaha RX-V1800
Post by: av_phile1 on Jan 31, 2008 at 07:21 AM
Fr. what I know, we really need a DolbyTrueHD and DTS-HD receiver to enjoy lossless HD audio otherwise, it will simply be converted to an improved DTS or DD format. Personally, I can hear the diff. already even w/ my non-HDMI receiver whenever I switch fr. standard DTS to DTS-HD(same w/ DD to TrueHD). Thats why I'm happy w/ it at the moment tho' I'm very sure lossless sounds much better . . . maybe if it gets a bit cheaper in a few more months. True, Im also shocked at the current price of HDMI1.3 receivers in our local market today . . . parang di makatarungan! ;D

Is there a difference between the player or the receiver decoding the HD audio?  If there is, which is better then?  To be able to enjoy HD audio, will the receiver need to decode this in order to output lossless HD audio to the speaker?  I was thinking since the speakers are not connected to the player directly and that the player is connected to the receiver, the receiver should be capable of decoding lossless HD audio for one to enjoy lossless HD audio, or else the audio (decoded by the player) will just be downgraded to a lossy HD audio if the receiver is not capable of decoding lossless HD audio.   ??? ??? ??? 

 

You don't need the new generation receivers to enjoy the new lossless audio formats.  HD players already have the decoders.  But even if some players are lacking, ALL of them output in multichannel uncompressed digital LPCM and analog 5.1. You could not hope to get better than LPCM because that is what the decoders output to the DACs.  That is the same audio format used in CD and with HD audio tracks, you get multichannel LPCM.  If you have receivers with HDMI, the first commercial version being 1.1, you get multichannel LPCM fed to your receiver's DAC.  If your receiver does not have HDMI 1.1, you can use the player's 5.1 analog RCA jacks to feed to your receiver's 5.1 analog input.  In addition, the HD player outputs the older DD and DTS tracks via its s/pdif jacks.  Either the player downconverts the High resolution tracks or the disc has secondary audio tracks carrying DD and/or DTS-ES.

The specifications for Advance Content authoring in HD DVD and soon for Blu-Ray mandates that for interactivity to be active, decoding must be done within the player.  You lose this interactivity feature that makes playing HD discs a pleasure to use if the decoding is done outside the player.

At this time, it is doubtful if you can get superior decoding from receivers.  In addition, the audio bitrates from the new lossless formats are so high, they are almost indistinguishable from the masters and you will really have to have literally a golden ear to distinguish the quality from one decoder to another.  The DACs would stil figure in the equation.  Even if you think an outboard DAC is better, you only need the old HDMI1.1 to feed multichannel LPCM to your outboard DAC or receiver.
Title: Re: Denon AVR-2808 or Yamaha RX-V1800
Post by: Lancito on Jan 31, 2008 at 07:44 AM
You don't need the new generation receivers to enjoy the new lossless audio formats.  HD players already have the decoders.  But even if some players are lacking, ALL of them output in multichannel uncompressed digital LPCM and analog 5.1. You could not hope to get better than LPCM because that is the what the decoders output to the DACs.  That is the same audio format used in CD and with HD audio tracks, you get multichannel LPCM.  If you have receivers with HDMI, the first commercial version being 1.1, you get multichannel LPCM fed to your receiver's DAC.  If your receiver does not have HDMI 1.1, you can use the player's 5.1 analog RCA jacks to feed to your receiver's 5.1 analog input.  In addition, the HD player outputs the older DD and DTS tracks via its s/pdif jacks.  Either the player downconverts the High resolution tracks or the disc has secondary audio tracks carrying DD and/or DTS-ES.

The specifications for Advance Content authoring in HD DVD and soon for Blu-Ray mandates that for interactivity to be active, decoding must be done within the player.  You lose this interactivity feature that makes playing HD discs a pleasure to use if the decoding is done outside the player.

At this time, it is doubtful if you can get superior decoding from receivers.  In addition, the audio bitrates from the new lossless formats are so high, they are almost indistinguishable from the masters and you will really have to have literally a golden ear to distinguish the quality from one decoder to another.  The DACs would stil figure in the equation.  Even if you think an outboard DAC is better, you only need the old HDMI1.1 to feed multichannel LPCM to your outboard DAC or receiver.

1 month old DENON AVR2808 FOR SALE 60K!  ;D
Title: Re: Denon AVR-2808 or Yamaha RX-V1800
Post by: lakambini on Jan 31, 2008 at 09:44 AM
Fr. what I know, we really need a DolbyTrueHD and DTS-HD receiver to enjoy lossless HD audio otherwise, it will simply be converted to an improved DTS or DD format. Personally, I can hear the diff. already even w/ my non-HDMI receiver whenever I switch fr. standard DTS to DTS-HD(same w/ DD to TrueHD). Thats why I'm happy w/ it at the moment tho' I'm very sure lossless sounds much better . . . maybe if it gets a bit cheaper in a few more months. True, Im also shocked at the current price of HDMI1.3 receivers in our local market today . . . parang di makatarungan! ;D

dts-es

sir ur exactly right about ur observation.  the 1.3 receivers being sold locally are way, way high.  Much cheaper to buy outside d country.  The prices abroad of these receivers are even lowering their prices.  Also, the peso continues to appreciate against the dollar.
Title: Re: Denon AVR-2808 or Yamaha RX-V1800
Post by: lakambini on Jan 31, 2008 at 09:48 AM
av_phile1

sir,thank you for the very helpful tips you posted.  nice to hear from you . 
Title: Re: Denon AVR-2808 or Yamaha RX-V1800
Post by: pchin on Jan 31, 2008 at 09:55 AM
You don't need the new generation receivers to enjoy the new lossless audio formats.  HD players already have the decoders. 

av_phile1 is right. There's no need for the newer HD AVR as long as the HD player can decode all the HD audio formats internally. The only valid reason to get a HD AVR: if one is planning to upgrade his HD player that can output the HD bitstream for the AVR to decode the lossless audio. Majority of these cases are due to Fox's tittles that are all in DTS MA...  :-[

The other unofficial reason: HD fans prefer (or love) to see the TrueHD or DTS MA lighted in their AVR display. ;D
Title: Re: Denon AVR-2808 or Yamaha RX-V1800
Post by: streetsmart on Jan 31, 2008 at 11:46 AM
Disclosure first - I have a Denon 2808. This is my understanding of the current situation:

I don't think there is any player in the market today which can decode DTS-HD MA internally. In my understanding, the only way you can currently hear that is by sending it through HDMI 1.3 to a receiver (such as the Denon 2808) which can decode DTS-HD MA.

If you get the LPCM tracks from your player, you can send them through HDMI 1.1 to a lower-end receiver and that will be fine. However, these tracks are often not the fully uncompressed tracks, unlike DTS-HD MA and Dolby TruHD.

If the HD soundtrack is not in LPCM (such as Dolby TruHD), then you need to use the 5.1 analog channel, which means that your receiver will not be able to process them. In particular, you can't use the Audyssey room correction feature of Denon, Onkyo and Marantz. This is a huge weakness.

The other big feature of the Denon 2808 is that it has an advanced version of the Audyssey room correction feature, which can work wonders with your sound. A friend of mine uses a Denon 2808 (without separate power amps) in his 40 square meter HT and the sound is incredibly good - among the best I have heard.

With regard to price, I agree that it is quite expensive. That's why I sourced mine sa US and the cost was P20k cheaper than the local price (inclusive of shipping, taxes, etc.).

Now having said all of this, do I detect a difference between the high-def audio vs the legacy DD and DTS? So far, I feel that the difference is subtle, not "night and day." But I think the jury is still out.
Title: Re: Denon AVR-2808 or Yamaha RX-V1800
Post by: Lancito on Jan 31, 2008 at 12:02 PM
Disclosure first - I have a Denon 2808. This is my understanding of the current situation:

I don't think there is any player in the market today which can decode DTS-HD MA internally. In my understanding, the only way you can currently hear that is by sending it through HDMI 1.3 to a receiver (such as the Denon 2808) which can decode DTS-HD MA.

If you get the LPCM tracks from your player, you can send them through HDMI 1.1 to a lower-end receiver and that will be fine. However, these tracks are often not the fully uncompressed tracks, unlike DTS-HD MA and Dolby TruHD.

If the HD soundtrack is not in LPCM (such as Dolby TruHD), then you need to use the 5.1 analog channel, which means that your receiver will not be able to process them. In particular, you can't use the Audyssey room correction feature of Denon, Onkyo and Marantz. This is a huge weakness.

The other big feature of the Denon 2808 is that it has an advanced version of the Audyssey room correction feature, which can work wonders with your sound. A friend of mine uses a Denon 2808 (without separate power amps) in his 40 square meter HT and the sound is incredibly good - among the best I have heard.

With regard to price, I agree that it is quite expensive. That's why I sourced mine sa US and the cost was P20k cheaper than the local price (inclusive of shipping, taxes, etc.).

Now having said all of this, do I detect a difference between the high-def audio vs the legacy DD and DTS? So far, I feel that the difference is subtle, not "night and day." But I think the jury is still out.

I take it a back.  My Denon AVR2808 is no longer for sale!  ;D
Title: Re: Denon AVR-2808 or Yamaha RX-V1800
Post by: oReOsHaKe on Jan 31, 2008 at 01:33 PM
How much ba ang Denon 2808 dito sa tin? 
Title: Re: Denon AVR-2808 or Yamaha RX-V1800
Post by: trackers888 on Jan 31, 2008 at 01:37 PM
1 month old DENON AVR2808 FOR SALE 60K!  ;D

Lance bawal yan :D :D :D
Hold your horses, remember, newer model cost you a fortune, In fact, ang bilis magpalit ng technology ngayon.
Baka every month bago AVR mo :D :D :D

I take it a back.  My Denon AVR2808 is no longer for sale!  ;D

 :D :D :D
Title: Re: Denon AVR-2808 or Yamaha RX-V1800
Post by: trackers888 on Jan 31, 2008 at 01:41 PM
How much ba ang Denon 2808 dito sa tin? 

Jun, may hint na from Lance sa price ng Denon :D
Title: Re: Denon AVR-2808 or Yamaha RX-V1800
Post by: oReOsHaKe on Jan 31, 2008 at 01:54 PM
Jun, may hint na from Lance sa price ng Denon :D

O nga pala..  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Denon AVR-2808 or Yamaha RX-V1800
Post by: Lancito on Jan 31, 2008 at 01:55 PM
Jun, may hint na from Lance sa price ng Denon :D

Kasama na depreciation dun.  ;D 

Guys, excuse my ignorance but what does SARS stand for?
Title: Re: Denon AVR-2808 or Yamaha RX-V1800
Post by: dts-HD 3D on Jan 31, 2008 at 02:03 PM
dts-es

sir ur exactly right about ur observation.  the 1.3 receivers being sold locally are way, way high.  Much cheaper to buy outside d country.  The prices abroad of these receivers are even lowering their prices.  Also, the peso continues to appreciate against the dollar.

Yes sir, even if you add the shipping cost mas mura pa din mag-import:

http://www.amazon.com/Denon-AVR-2808CI-Theater-Component-Receiver/dp/B000TW20A2/ref=pd_bbs_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1201758371&sr=8-1 (http://www.amazon.com/Denon-AVR-2808CI-Theater-Component-Receiver/dp/B000TW20A2/ref=pd_bbs_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1201758371&sr=8-1)

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000OBJW1S/sr=8-1/qid=1201758371/ref=pd_cp_e_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1201758371&sr=8-1&pf_rd_p=250314601&pf_rd_s=center-41&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=B000TW20A2&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=07EQF5N5KXZSD1GS43MZ (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000OBJW1S/sr=8-1/qid=1201758371/ref=pd_cp_e_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1201758371&sr=8-1&pf_rd_p=250314601&pf_rd_s=center-41&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=B000TW20A2&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=07EQF5N5KXZSD1GS43MZ)

Imagine, Onkyo TX-SR805 nasa around P31K lang :o
Title: Re: Denon AVR-2808 or Yamaha RX-V1800
Post by: Lancito on Jan 31, 2008 at 02:06 PM
Yes sir, even if you add the shipping cost mas mura pa din mag-import:

http://www.amazon.com/Denon-AVR-2808CI-Theater-Component-Receiver/dp/B000TW20A2/ref=pd_bbs_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1201758371&sr=8-1 (http://www.amazon.com/Denon-AVR-2808CI-Theater-Component-Receiver/dp/B000TW20A2/ref=pd_bbs_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1201758371&sr=8-1)

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000OBJW1S/sr=8-1/qid=1201758371/ref=pd_cp_e_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1201758371&sr=8-1&pf_rd_p=250314601&pf_rd_s=center-41&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=B000TW20A2&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=07EQF5N5KXZSD1GS43MZ (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000OBJW1S/sr=8-1/qid=1201758371/ref=pd_cp_e_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1201758371&sr=8-1&pf_rd_p=250314601&pf_rd_s=center-41&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=B000TW20A2&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=07EQF5N5KXZSD1GS43MZ)

Imagine, Onkyo TX-SR805 nasa around P31K lang :o

Problema lang 110V.  Mahirap ibenta pag ayaw mo na.
Title: Re: Denon AVR-2808 or Yamaha RX-V1800
Post by: dts-HD 3D on Jan 31, 2008 at 02:11 PM
. . . yes , plus risk sa warranty & baka ma-damage during shipping.
Title: Re: Denon AVR-2808 or Yamaha RX-V1800
Post by: Weng! on Jan 31, 2008 at 02:55 PM
Yes sir, even if you add the shipping cost mas mura pa din mag-import:

http://www.amazon.com/Denon-AVR-2808CI-Theater-Component-Receiver/dp/B000TW20A2/ref=pd_bbs_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1201758371&sr=8-1 (http://www.amazon.com/Denon-AVR-2808CI-Theater-Component-Receiver/dp/B000TW20A2/ref=pd_bbs_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1201758371&sr=8-1)

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000OBJW1S/sr=8-1/qid=1201758371/ref=pd_cp_e_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1201758371&sr=8-1&pf_rd_p=250314601&pf_rd_s=center-41&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=B000TW20A2&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=07EQF5N5KXZSD1GS43MZ (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000OBJW1S/sr=8-1/qid=1201758371/ref=pd_cp_e_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1201758371&sr=8-1&pf_rd_p=250314601&pf_rd_s=center-41&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=B000TW20A2&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=07EQF5N5KXZSD1GS43MZ)

Imagine, Onkyo TX-SR805 nasa around P31K lang :o

mura rin sa hongkong ang denon at 220 volts pa. bought my 2308 at only 26.5k last october while the 2808 was offered at 42k lang.
Title: Re: Denon AVR-2808 or Yamaha RX-V1800
Post by: Lancito on Jan 31, 2008 at 03:03 PM
mura rin sa hongkong ang denon at 220 volts pa. bought my 2308 at only 26.5k last october while the 2808 was offered at 42k lang.

Ouch!  Don't remind me how much I got my 2808.  Well, if you add your airfare plus hotel accommodations and food, baka the same lang. ;D  Just making myself feel better.   ;)
Title: Re: Denon AVR-2808 or Yamaha RX-V1800
Post by: oReOsHaKe on Jan 31, 2008 at 03:12 PM
mura rin sa hongkong ang denon at 220 volts pa. bought my 2308 at only 26.5k last october while the 2808 was offered at 42k lang.

Sa China kaya magkano ang 2808?  Might be going to Xiamen in May.  But then again, kung lumabas na yong Onkyo 705 (black and silver) next month, might go for that na lang.
Title: Re: Denon AVR-2808 or Yamaha RX-V1800
Post by: trackers888 on Jan 31, 2008 at 03:24 PM
Kasama na depreciation dun.  ;D 

Guys, excuse my ignorance but what does SARS stand for?

 :D :D :D
It reminds me when I was new here also. Yan din ang tanung ko.
Highly infectious disease daw na kapag hindi na cure, lumalala ang upgrade :D

SARS means - Sever Acute Respiratory Syndrome that is what I know, ewan ko lang sa mga gurus baka iba meaning nyan :D :D :D

 
Title: Re: Denon AVR-2808 or Yamaha RX-V1800
Post by: Weng! on Jan 31, 2008 at 03:27 PM
Ouch!  Don't remind me how much I got my 2808.  Well, if you add your airfare plus hotel accommodations and food, baka the same lang. ;D  Just making myself feel better.   ;)

i had my denon bought by an OFW friend who went home last october kaya free delivery sa bahay pa. my first choice was the onkyo 705 at nasa 29k  kaso wala lang stock at that time my friend went to mongkok. may inalok pa nga na 2807 at only 31k pero di ko alam specs kaya di ko kinuha (sayang ;D)
Title: Re: Denon AVR-2808 or Yamaha RX-V1800
Post by: Lancito on Jan 31, 2008 at 03:39 PM
i had my denon bought by an OFW friend who went home last october kaya free delivery sa bahay pa. my first choice was the onkyo 705 at nasa 29k  kaso wala lang stock at that time my friend went to mongkok. may inalok pa nga na 2807 at only 31k pero di ko alam specs kaya di ko kinuha (sayang ;D)


Now I feel bad again.  ;D
Title: Re: Denon AVR-2808 or Yamaha RX-V1800
Post by: lakambini on Jan 31, 2008 at 04:09 PM
Disclosure first - I have a Denon 2808. This is my understanding of the current situation:

I don't think there is any player in the market today which can decode DTS-HD MA internally. In my understanding, the only way you can currently hear that is by sending it through HDMI 1.3 to a receiver (such as the Denon 2808) which can decode DTS-HD MA.

If you get the LPCM tracks from your player, you can send them through HDMI 1.1 to a lower-end receiver and that will be fine. However, these tracks are often not the fully uncompressed tracks, unlike DTS-HD MA and Dolby TruHD.

If the HD soundtrack is not in LPCM (such as Dolby TruHD), then you need to use the 5.1 analog channel, which means that your receiver will not be able to process them. In particular, you can't use the Audyssey room correction feature of Denon, Onkyo and Marantz. This is a huge weakness.

The other big feature of the Denon 2808 is that it has an advanced version of the Audyssey room correction feature, which can work wonders with your sound. A friend of mine uses a Denon 2808 (without separate power amps) in his 40 square meter HT and the sound is incredibly good - among the best I have heard.

With regard to price, I agree that it is quite expensive. That's why I sourced mine sa US and the cost was P20k cheaper than the local price (inclusive of shipping, taxes, etc.).

Now having said all of this, do I detect a difference between the high-def audio vs the legacy DD and DTS? So far, I feel that the difference is subtle, not "night and day." But I think the jury is still out.

I agree with sir streetsmart,  the EQ features of current receivers are more accurate than ever.  One of the very helpful tools to achieve surround sound nirvana. 
Title: Re: Denon AVR-2808 or Yamaha RX-V1800
Post by: lakambini on Jan 31, 2008 at 04:18 PM

denon 2308 26,000   oooohhhh    oooohhhh

denon 2808 42,000   aaaahhhh    aaaahhhh

onkyo 705   29,000   haaahhhh

onkyo 805   31,000   huh huh huh
Title: Re: Denon AVR-2808 or Yamaha RX-V1800
Post by: MAtZTER on Jan 31, 2008 at 04:20 PM
Like I said in the last page:

But there is still a benefit though, if you let your 2808 do the decoding, you can take advantage of the Audysey EQ.

Mali lang spelling ng Audysey  ;D

Problema lang 110V.  Mahirap ibenta pag ayaw mo na.

Not just that, you cant plug a 110v receiver direct to a 220v line conditioner. W/c in my subjective opinion has quite a difference in imaging & scale, compared to passing through a voltage reg.

SARS-Speakers & AVR Replacement Syndrome

I know there is another meaning, but this one I find funny... and applicable to me... ;D :D
Title: Re: Denon AVR-2808 or Yamaha RX-V1800
Post by: lakambini on Jan 31, 2008 at 04:27 PM
Now I feel bad again.  ;D

Lancito,

Sir, don't mind the price, what's mor important is that you have with u a very decent/fine avr in the market.  Currently, many can't afford to have this type of receiver, including me, so njoy this privilege, the pride of owning not just an ordinary avr but a DENON AVR2808.

cheers

Title: Re: Denon AVR-2808 or Yamaha RX-V1800
Post by: Lancito on Jan 31, 2008 at 04:39 PM
Lancito,

Sir, don't mind the price, what's mor important is that you have with u a very decent/fine avr in the market.  Currently, many can't afford to have this type of receiver, including me, so njoy this privilege, the pride of owning not just an ordinary avr but a DENON AVR2808.

cheers



Thanks for your kind words Lakambini.  It was all blood, sweat, and tears for me.  Wife is already complaining that i am living beyond my means.  Probably I prioritized getting this AVR instead of having our bathroom tiles and shower fixed.  Iba talaga diskarte ng mga AV addicts.
Title: Re: Denon AVR-2808 or Yamaha RX-V1800
Post by: MAtZTER on Jan 31, 2008 at 04:48 PM
Thanks for your kind words Lakambini.  It was all blood, sweat, and tears for me.  Wife is already complaining that i am living beyond my means.  Probably I prioritized getting this AVR instead of having our bathroom tiles and shower fixed.  Iba talaga diskarte ng mga AV addicts.

WELCOME TO PINOYDVD!!!  :D

You are normal amongst us!

Hahaha
Title: Re: Denon AVR-2808 or Yamaha RX-V1800
Post by: trackers888 on Jan 31, 2008 at 05:35 PM
WELCOME TO PINOYDVD!!!  :D

You are normal amongst us!

Hahaha

 :D :D :D
Title: Re: Denon AVR-2808 or Yamaha RX-V1800
Post by: pchin on Jan 31, 2008 at 06:44 PM
SARS-Speakers & AVR Replacement Syndrome
I know there is another meaning, but this one I find funny... and applicable to me... ;D :D

The other one which is very deadly i.e. Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome (SARS)....it requires epidemiological, clinical and logistical support. ;D
Title: Re: Denon AVR-2808 or Yamaha RX-V1800
Post by: oReOsHaKe on Jan 31, 2008 at 07:09 PM
denon 2308 26,000   oooohhhh    oooohhhh

denon 2808 42,000   aaaahhhh    aaaahhhh

onkyo 705   29,000   haaahhhh

onkyo 805   31,000   huh huh huh

San tong price list na to? China?
Title: Re: Denon AVR-2808 or Yamaha RX-V1800
Post by: Weng! on Jan 31, 2008 at 11:22 PM
San tong price list na to? China?

sa hongkong, except for the onkyo 805
Title: Re: Denon AVR-2808 or Yamaha RX-V1800
Post by: lakambini on Feb 01, 2008 at 09:25 AM
Thanks for your kind words Lakambini.  It was all blood, sweat, and tears for me.  Wife is already complaining that i am living beyond my means.  Probably I prioritized getting this AVR instead of having our bathroom tiles and shower fixed.  Iba talaga diskarte ng mga AV addicts.

Lancito,

Sir, d ka nag-iisa, i was in the same predicament b4, all i have to do is 2 convince  my wife that it is a wise investment, also , it is a good thing na alam nila kung saan napunta pinaghirapang pera, nakikita na at napapakinggan pa!   ;)

Enjoy ur new AVR, sir wat po partnering equipments natin, tnx.
Title: Re: Denon AVR-2808 or Yamaha RX-V1800
Post by: ESi on Feb 01, 2008 at 09:54 AM
Disclosure first - I have a Denon 2808. This is my understanding of the current situation:

I don't think there is any player in the market today which can decode DTS-HD MA internally. In my understanding, the only way you can currently hear that is by sending it through HDMI 1.3 to a receiver (such as the Denon 2808) which can decode DTS-HD MA.

If you get the LPCM tracks from your player, you can send them through HDMI 1.1 to a lower-end receiver and that will be fine. However, these tracks are often not the fully uncompressed tracks, unlike DTS-HD MA and Dolby TruHD.

If the HD soundtrack is not in LPCM (such as Dolby TruHD), then you need to use the 5.1 analog channel, which means that your receiver will not be able to process them. In particular, you can't use the Audyssey room correction feature of Denon, Onkyo and Marantz. This is a huge weakness.

The other big feature of the Denon 2808 is that it has an advanced version of the Audyssey room correction feature, which can work wonders with your sound. A friend of mine uses a Denon 2808 (without separate power amps) in his 40 square meter HT and the sound is incredibly good - among the best I have heard.

With regard to price, I agree that it is quite expensive. That's why I sourced mine sa US and the cost was P20k cheaper than the local price (inclusive of shipping, taxes, etc.).

Now having said all of this, do I detect a difference between the high-def audio vs the legacy DD and DTS? So far, I feel that the difference is subtle, not "night and day." But I think the jury is still out.

Bullseye sir. I guess this post cleared things up. Got confused a while over there. ;) ;D
Title: yahama/denon/onkyo
Post by: wellsaudio on Feb 09, 2008 at 11:25 AM

Guys,

need your advice. I will set up entry level of 5.1 HT, I decided to buy wharfe 9.6,9dfs,9cm and velodyne na sub. and i dont have any idea what to buy amp. I cheked some store in makati but they give 3 diff brands which i cant decide. Need you recommendation for the amp to make my HT more crisp,clarity and will blend with wharfs speakers. Big Thanks

here's my choices in amp.

Yamaha V661
denon 1908
onkyo tx sr 604

Title: harman kardon avr 347 vs. onkyo tx-sr805
Post by: turbine on Feb 10, 2008 at 05:34 PM
anu po bang mas okay na receiver h/k avr347 or onkyo tx-sr805?
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: highwayman on Mar 08, 2008 at 03:10 PM
what are the current receivers that have are 7.1 receivers that provide SPDIF, 5.1/7.1 analog inputs, 7.1 HDMI PCM, and allow all three processing types on all digital signals. ?

comparable brands from onkyo and denon?
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: flak-jacket on Mar 11, 2008 at 09:34 AM
this past weekend, i was able to demo the Paradigm Cinema 110ct home theater speaker set at S&S. when i entered the paradigm store (part of S&S), it was already playing B-13 (not sure if it was DVD or Blu-Ray) and i was amazed with the sound the small Paradigms produced. i checked out which receiver it was hooked up to and i thought it was connected to a Denon 2808. afrterwards, i requested for a demo of Pioneer's THX certified LX-50 receiver. sound was good but not that good compared to the Denon. when i asked the staff for the pricing of the 2808, he told me na medyo overkill na daw yung 2808. i told him nagandahan kasi ako sa narinig ko with that particular Denon paired with the small Paradigms, sabi niya ''sir, Denon 1708 yung nakakabit kanina na receiver''  :o

to cut it short, a 20k+ Denon 1708 sounded better than a 50K+ Pioneer THX certified LX-50 receiver when hooked up to the small Paradigm Cinema 110 home theater speaker set... at least with my listening taste.  ;D
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: threadlock on Mar 11, 2008 at 11:50 AM
this past weekend, i was able to demo the Paradigm Cinema 110ct home theater speaker set at S&S. when i entered the paradigm store (part of S&S), it was already playing B-13 (not sure if it was DVD or Blu-Ray) and i was amazed with the sound the small Paradigms produced. i checked out which receiver it was hooked up to and i thought it was connected to a Denon 2808. afrterwards, i requested for a demo of Pioneer's THX certified LX-50 receiver. sound was good but not that good compared to the Denon. when i asked the staff for the pricing of the 2808, he told me na medyo overkill na daw yung 2808. i told him nagandahan kasi ako sa narinig ko with that particular Denon paired with the small Paradigms, sabi niya ''sir, Denon 1708 yung nakakabit kanina na receiver''  :o

to cut it short, a 20k+ Denon 1708 sounded better than a 50K+ Pioneer THX certified LX-50 receiver when hooked up to the small Paradigm Cinema 110 home theater speaker set... at least with my listening taste.  ;D

This is a proof that in our hobby our ears has the final say.... and of course our pockets...  ;D
Title: Re: ONKYO TX-SR875 vs Denon AVR-3808
Post by: MAtZTER on Mar 11, 2008 at 12:21 PM
guys magkano ONKYO TX-SR875? tnx

83k SRP, but out of stock right away.
Title: Re: harman kardon avr 347 vs. onkyo tx-sr805
Post by: mholtz2000 on Mar 11, 2008 at 03:29 PM
anu po bang mas okay na receiver h/k avr347 or onkyo tx-sr805?

has is ok! tested, guaranteed
Title: Re: harman kardon avr 347 vs. onkyo tx-sr805
Post by: mholtz2000 on Mar 11, 2008 at 03:30 PM
anu po bang mas okay na receiver h/k avr347 or onkyo tx-sr805?

harman is ok! tested , guaranteed
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: flak-jacket on Mar 11, 2008 at 06:23 PM
This is a proof that in our hobby our ears has the final say.... and of course our pockets...  ;D

yeah, what sounds good to me may not sound good to you.  ;D

mas match lang siguro yung Denon compared to Pioneer dun sa Paradigm Cinema 110. with the 1708, they sounded like bookshelf speakers to me. the Pioneer was no pushover, ok naman yung sound but for my taste mas nagustuhan ko ang tunog when hooked up to the Denon 1708.  :)
Title: Re: harman kardon avr 347 vs. onkyo tx-sr805
Post by: mjct6210 on Mar 11, 2008 at 06:41 PM
same level receiver po ba ito? ang laki kasi ng price difference.
Title: Re: harman kardon avr 347 vs. onkyo tx-sr805
Post by: ramsey on Mar 12, 2008 at 12:49 PM
 :). I used a HK 340. And the 347 is the newer version. I have nothing but praise for HK. Powerful although it is declared at only 55w per channel. Must be because of the high current capabilities [35Amperes]. I once cranked it at +0db volume and still distortion free. My speakers are those small BOSE cube. They have low sensitivities and the HK can drive them with ease.  Hope I can enlighten you a little bit ;D
Title: Re: harman kardon avr 347 vs. onkyo tx-sr805
Post by: MAtZTER on Mar 12, 2008 at 01:48 PM
These 2 are in a different weight category (like boxing).

The equivalent of the 805's is the HK 600 series. The 805 is 60 lbs!

Used to own HK630. Awesome!
Title: Re: harman kardon avr 347 vs. onkyo tx-sr805
Post by: danrd on Mar 12, 2008 at 01:52 PM
I myself am a loyal and hands down HK fan. I actually had 2 models already avr-135 and 335 which was recently sold for and upgrade. I would hope to stay with Hk but I'm quite dissapointed with the 347's lame upgraded features against the Onkyo 705. Which is why I chose the 705 and I'm happy that I made the right decision. The 705 is more powerful than the 347. I'm sure the 805 kicks much better.  ;)
Title: Re: harman kardon avr 347 vs. onkyo tx-sr805
Post by: ramsey on Mar 12, 2008 at 02:12 PM
sir danrd, me nkalagay sa yo velo12r. I presumed you own 1.  San ba ko pwede mag audition ng velodyne. How much yung Velo cht-12r dito sa atin ? tnx
Title: which is better
Post by: mholtz2000 on Apr 15, 2008 at 04:26 PM
guys,

which is better AV receiver for both HT and Music between ONKYO and HARMAN KARDON?
Title: Re: which is better
Post by: Superman on Apr 15, 2008 at 05:09 PM
The answer is NONE...it depends on your other associated equipment...it is very difficult (and unsafe) to make a general statement that Brand A is better than the other, Brand B is better, etc. Better audition - Thanks!
Title: Re: which is better
Post by: Jairus on Apr 15, 2008 at 05:35 PM
Both are good.  It is just a matter of properly matching it with the speaker you intend to use. 

Both these brands have their own thread here. Try backreading a bit as these have already been extensively discussed.  You'll get a wealth of information there including actual experiences of members here.  Goodluck!
Title: Re: which is better
Post by: av_phile1 on Apr 15, 2008 at 05:44 PM
When auditioning, I always go by the rule: What is good for Music is also good for HT, but not always the reverse.  That's the audio part.

For the video part, this may be a little more complex depending on what you want to get.  Some of the new generation receivers can accept HDMI 1.3 with the lossless audio codecs to decode rawstreams from high def players.  And some have onboard video upscalers that can take a s-video signal or component connection to high def levels.  Then there are some recievers with multiple HDMI input and output connections.  So there are a few features you can consider in the context of what you want.

There's another thing to consider in the audio part I failed to mention - that's Audyssey MultiEQ capability.  The improvements it can do to your listening experience can be substantial.  Onkyo mid-priced receivers have them.  Am not sure with HK.

Whichever brand you choose, I would strongly suggest you go mid-priced, not entry levels. These two brands normally would have a multichannel pre-out starting with the mid levels.  This feature allows you to go up to separates when you feel like it in the future.  Also, I believe the better DSP features and DACs, not to mention current handling, starts at midpriced receivers. And  driving many speaker models won't pose as much a challenge at these levels.
Title: Re: which is better
Post by: -sniper- on Apr 15, 2008 at 06:21 PM
as superman said, it would be difficult and unsafe to make a definitive declaration on the matter.

your listening preference is very critical. we all have different preferences. some will tell you to move away from a particular receiver because it sounds bright on music and ht. for all we know, you might prefer bright sound.

gear matching also plays a very significant role. you must achieve a perfect match (by your standards, of course  ;)) between your avr and speakers. a wrong combination would not produce a good sound. this will again depend on your listening preference.

to cut to the chase, your ears will be the best judge. satisfaction in ht and music is not determined by one gear alone.

HTH.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: T33K0Y on Apr 21, 2008 at 11:45 PM
Mga sirs,

singit lang ako saglit... back to lo-end muna tayo... Need your expert advice.. I'm planning to buy a good entry level receiver... ano po ba ok?  have heard of onkyo tx sr505 and denon 1508 pero hindi ko alam kung okay sila... newbie lang po kasi sa HT world.  please help.. TIA.. sensya na kung OT..  ;D   
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: eksi on Apr 22, 2008 at 12:01 AM
for me sir.... kung performance ang basis... mas angat ang onkyo (pero hindi ata masyadong malayo compared to denon).... both models you mentioned parehong 75 watts per channel i guess.... may audyssey pa ang onkyo... if im correct denon 1508 wala pang audyssey... denon 1708/1908 ata ang meron...

pero mas mahal ata onkyo.... so decide ka nalang kung you will go for the one with lower price (with minimal performance difference) or one with higher performance

hope this'll help you sir
Title: denon vs harman kardon
Post by: marcyao on Jun 22, 2008 at 12:06 AM
hi guys, which is the better brand, denon or hk?  do they sound the same or do they have different audio characteristics? :)
Title: Re: denon vs harman kardon
Post by: AudioAmplified on Jun 22, 2008 at 06:17 PM
they both have their strengths and weaknesses.  Its all about matching and preference.  Suggest you try to audition both brands and let your ears decide.
Title: Re: denon vs harman kardon
Post by: audiojunkie on Jun 22, 2008 at 06:22 PM
hi guys, which is the better brand, denon or hk?  do they sound the same or do they have different audio characteristics? :)

be more specific....  ::) you can not match entry vs hi-end level of either brand....  ;D
Title: Re: denon vs harman kardon
Post by: accastil on Jun 22, 2008 at 06:27 PM
hi guys, which is the better brand, denon or hk?  do they sound the same or do they have different audio characteristics? :)

A better brand for you would be the one that would match with your existing gears. if you will be making this one as the 1st purchase to start with, try both..they sound different. both good.
Title: Re: denon vs harman kardon
Post by: marcyao on Jun 22, 2008 at 08:18 PM
i actually tried the denon 1508 and the hk 145. they both sounded similar.  both sounded pretty good but the denon was 7.1 while the hk was just 5.1. would there be a bigger difference with the higher models? :)
Title: Re: denon vs harman kardon
Post by: audiojunkie on Jun 22, 2008 at 10:54 PM
i actually tried the denon 1508 and the hk 145. they both sounded similar.  both sounded pretty good but the denon was 7.1 while the hk was just 5.1. would there be a bigger difference with the higher models? :)

if both sounded the same in your ears and fit to your wallet. try to look for features comparison like: preouts for future external power amps, HDMI inputs, phono and other new audio/video proccessing.

higher models, aside from more powerful amps, have more features not available in lower models. more advance A/V proccessing chips.

good-luck.. ;D
Title: Re: denon vs harman kardon
Post by: MAtZTER on Jun 24, 2008 at 11:38 AM
i actually tried the denon 1508 and the hk 145. they both sounded similar.  both sounded pretty good but the denon was 7.1 while the hk was just 5.1. would there be a bigger difference with the higher models? :)

The next higher model? no big difference. But for the several models higher/ $1,000+ class model: YES. You can actually blind test it and you will hear the difference. If you dont hear the diff then you are blessed! You saved yourself from spending $1,000+!  :D If  $1,000+ is not w/in your budget, trust me, avoid auditioning these receivers.  :)

For the processor part, there would usually be more details, better music & surround performance, etc. For the power section, more dynamics and more room wrapping "bigger" sound (specially for big rooms).

hi guys, which is the better brand, denon or hk?  do they sound the same or do they have different audio characteristics? :)

Both are good, but they have different characteristics. I have used a Denon 1705 and a 2807 and a HK630. IMhO w/ these specific models, HK is more focused on dynamics while Denon is focused on surrounds.

So you final decision will depend on your listening taste/preference.  Also, as mentioned by other members, the matching to your gears.

HTH

Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: kieron on Jul 04, 2008 at 10:52 AM
Hello guys!

I'm choosing between Onkyo TX-SR805 and TX-SR705. Which one has a better upscaling processor from standard DVD?
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: MAtZTER on Jul 05, 2008 at 12:49 PM
Hello guys!

I'm choosing between Onkyo TX-SR805 and TX-SR705. Which one has a better upscaling processor from standard DVD?

both use the same 720p upscaling chips. Try the 875 with Reon HQV 1080p upscaling if you have a good (& large) 1080p display. Expensive but worth every penny, PQ & SQ wise.
Title: Onkyo 606 vs. 705
Post by: milken on Jul 05, 2008 at 04:24 PM
I'm deciding between Onkyo 606 and 705.  Onkyo 606 will be in stocks this weekend or early next week. Their price difference is around P10,000+.  I've already bought Wharfedale 9.5, 9CM and 9DFS for my speakers, Velodyne CHT-12R for subwoofer, and Panasonic 50pv80.  I'm a movie person so I'll be using my set-up for 80% movies and 20% for music and others.  The room of our house is measured around 21 sq.m. and we have no plans to move out for the next ten years or so.

Based on my research, the differences between Onkyo 606 and 705 are:
                                     Onkyo 606        Onkyo 705
1. Power output                   90W                100W
2. Upscale SD video to          1080i               720p  [Note: same Faroudja DCDi Edge chipset; my tv is not 1080p]
3. THX certification                no                  yes
4. Neural sound                     no                  yes
5. HDMI input                        4                     3
6. Pre-outs                          sub                  7.1
7. Speaker calib.            Audyssey 2EQ     Audyssey MultEQ XT
8. Matrix 5.1 to 7.1              yes (?)             yes     [Note: 605 doesn't matrix PCM 5.1 to 7.1]
9. Power consumption          550W               600W
10. MP3 optimizer                 yes                  no
11. Audyssey Dynamic EQ      yes                  no
12. Multiband speaker EQ    5 band             7 band

Questions:
1. Is it worth it to add P10T+ to upgrade from Onkyo 606 to 705?  I read AVS Forum, most of them prefer 705 since the price diff. to 606 in their place is only around $110+ (~P5,000+) unlike here in the Phils. more than P10,000... I'm pretty sure they are fast disposing 705 to make way for 706.  Are there any issues to 705?
2. Is there a big difference in movie experience if the receiver is THX-certified? 
3. Is there a big difference in audio, particularly for movie experience, between Audyssey MultEQ XP and Audyssey 2EQ?
4. I don't know if I need a pre-out to connect to a separate amplifier. <--- I assume people upgrade and buy a separate amplifier if they move to a bigger room, tama ba? and that separate amps are recommended if you're much into listening to music?  ??? 

I can't wait for 706 since I can't use my gears without a receiver in the meantime [unless I buy 2nd hand momentarily :D].  I don't want to spend for some features that I might not need [but what if I didn't know I needed it?  ???]. Anyway, I scrimped on my speakers just to get the best subwoofer and biggest TV I could afford for my first home theater system! Any help/suggestion would be welcome.  Thanks in advance. :)
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: audiojunkie on Jul 05, 2008 at 05:37 PM
I would go for 705 with full 7.1 output for future expansion of more powerful amps... just my 2centimus.  ;D
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: milken on Jul 05, 2008 at 07:41 PM
I would go for 705 with full 7.1 output for future expansion of more powerful amps... just my 2centimus.  ;D

Just curious.  Why would one need a more powerful amp?  Is it just for higher power output which I understand translates to louder sound volume?  Would it not be better to someday buy a new higher-end receiver (8xx or 9xx series Onkyo, for instance) with more powerful output/wattage 'coz the current receiver (say 705) might be outdated by then?  ???
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: john5479 on Jul 06, 2008 at 02:04 PM
For me its not necessarily louder, but more headroom.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: leomar on Jul 06, 2008 at 05:48 PM
For me its not necessarily louder, but more headroom.

and i think with a poweramp, you are really "sorrounded"  ;D
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: audiojunkie on Jul 06, 2008 at 06:14 PM
Just curious.  Why would one need a more powerful amp?  Is it just for higher power output which I understand translates to louder sound volume?  Would it not be better to someday buy a new higher-end receiver (8xx or 9xx series Onkyo, for instance) with more powerful output/wattage 'coz the current receiver (say 705) might be outdated by then?  ???

more powerful amps give more dynamic to the music or difficult transient in action movies.  ;D
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: milken on Jul 06, 2008 at 06:49 PM
Thanks guys for the answers.  I've done my research too and browsed through threads after threads here looking for answers. It seems that having a pre-out in a receiver is the best way to go for future upgradeability.  I'm now more convinced to get a receiver with a pre-out, especially after reading the story of a member who changed lots of receivers in the past 4 years!  Ayaw ko ata mangyari sakin 'to! :o
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: audiojunkie on Jul 06, 2008 at 07:43 PM
Thanks guys for the answers.  I've done my research too and browsed through threads after threads here looking for answers. It seems that having a pre-out in a receiver is the best way to go for future upgradeability.  I'm now more convinced to get a receiver with a pre-out, especially after reading the story of a member who changed lots of receivers in the past 4 years!  Ayaw ko ata mangyari sakin 'to! :o

Good- Luck Sir....  :D
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: MAtZTER on Jul 08, 2008 at 11:55 AM
, especially after reading the story of a member who changed lots of receivers in the past 4 years! 

What a crazy guy!  :D ;D
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: leomar on Jul 08, 2008 at 01:03 PM
What a crazy guy!  :D ;D

hindi yata crazy ang tawag dun, mayaman!!!  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: milken on Jul 08, 2008 at 09:54 PM
What a crazy guy!  :D ;D

I know that guy!  :D Idol  ;D
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Ctlim on Jul 08, 2008 at 10:03 PM
sino ba yun???

pa burger ka naman.... burger burger.... hehehehehe ;D
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: audiojunkie on Jul 08, 2008 at 11:45 PM
What a crazy guy!  :D ;D

10  Receivers in a row...   :o  :o  :o ngayon magpapalit na naman dahil sa KULAY ::)  ::)  ::) (BLACK)
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: macdon on Jul 18, 2008 at 11:47 PM
10  Receivers in a row...   :o  :o  :o ngayon magpapalit na naman dahil sa KULAY ::)  ::)  ::) (BLACK)

hahahaha - parang kilala ko yan ah! Dami rin ako PM jan sa kapatid nating yan ;D Hello Mr.Pre/Pro! :D ;D
Pero, iba talaga ang pre/pro - it really puts you in a different world!  ;D
While it did take me months of deliberation - I'm thankful that I went that route! ;)
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: MAtZTER on Jul 21, 2008 at 12:03 PM
hindi yata crazy ang tawag dun, mayaman!!!  ;D ;D ;D

I disagree, ang MAYAMAN di gumagamit ng receiver, naka PRE/PRO!

Tulad ni Macdon & AJ!  :D
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: macdon on Jul 21, 2008 at 12:11 PM
I disagree, ang MAYAMAN di gumagamit ng receiver, naka PRE/PRO!

Tulad ni Macdon & AJ!  :D

Nakow, hindi totoo yan ;D Selling price mo nga nung Onkyo 875 mo mas mahal pa sa pre/pro + poweramp ko eh :D ;D
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: audiojunkie on Jul 21, 2008 at 11:53 PM
I disagree, ang MAYAMAN di gumagamit ng receiver, naka PRE/PRO!

Tulad ni Macdon & AJ!  :D

Idol MatZ, ako po ba ang AJ na yan? naku po'.... mga galing lang po' yan sa USED market at talagang 'di ko kayang bumili ng brand NEW at mga OLD models na po yan......walang pang HDMI tulad ng mga BAGONG ONKYO ngayon (meron eyt-seben-payb,eyt-O-payb, siks-O-payb, payb-O-payb at [payb-payb-payb, meron ba noon?  ::)  ]   :o  :o ....   ;D
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: cranio32 on Aug 03, 2008 at 11:24 PM
anybody want's a mint condition onkyo txsr-804 black unit? but i have to ship it here in the u.s. i only used it 1yr but only for the 1st 6mos i used the built in amp. then the last 6mos i bought 2 rotel rmb-1066 to power all my speakers. it come's with the onkyo universal remote, auto set up microphone, antenna for the tuner, manual. i only moved the unit from my av rack to my tv rack coz i bought a separate rotel rsp-1066 processor.
i will pack it safely enough to withstand 30-45days or more of shipping handling. shipping is $65 which i'll include in the price of $1000.

i dont know why but i can't post any pictures. just reply to this post and i'll email the picture's i have of the onkyo txsr804 black unit.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: cranio32 on Aug 03, 2008 at 11:34 PM
anybody want's a mint condition onkyo txsr-804 black unit? but i have to ship it here in the u.s. i only used it 1yr but only for the 1st 6mos i used the built in amp. then the last 6mos i bought 2 rotel rmb-1066 to power all my speakers. it come's with the onkyo universal remote, auto set up microphone, antenna for the tuner, manual. i only moved the unit from my av rack to my tv rack coz i bought a separate rotel rsp-1066 processor.
i will pack it safely enough to withstand 30-45days or more of shipping handling. shipping is $65 which i'll include in the price of $1000.

i dont know why but i can't post any pictures. just reply to this post and i'll email the picture's i have of the onkyo txsr804 black unit.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: oReOsHaKe on Aug 04, 2008 at 01:37 AM
anybody want's a mint condition onkyo txsr-804 black unit? but i have to ship it here in the u.s. i only used it 1yr but only for the 1st 6mos i used the built in amp. then the last 6mos i bought 2 rotel rmb-1066 to power all my speakers. it come's with the onkyo universal remote, auto set up microphone, antenna for the tuner, manual. i only moved the unit from my av rack to my tv rack coz i bought a separate rotel rsp-1066 processor.
i will pack it safely enough to withstand 30-45days or more of shipping handling. shipping is $65 which i'll include in the price of $1000.

i dont know why but i can't post any pictures. just reply to this post and i'll email the picture's i have of the onkyo txsr804 black unit.

I guess its kinda too expensive for a used Onkyo 804.. With $1,000.00, you can already buy a brand-new Onkyo 875..  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: JAQY888 on Aug 04, 2008 at 05:06 AM
anybody want's a mint condition onkyo txsr-804 black unit? but i have to ship it here in the u.s. i only used it 1yr but only for the 1st 6mos i used the built in amp. then the last 6mos i bought 2 rotel rmb-1066 to power all my speakers. it come's with the onkyo universal remote, auto set up microphone, antenna for the tuner, manual. i only moved the unit from my av rack to my tv rack coz i bought a separate rotel rsp-1066 processor.
i will pack it safely enough to withstand 30-45days or more of shipping handling. shipping is $65 which i'll include in the price of $1000.

i dont know why but i can't post any pictures. just reply to this post and i'll email the picture's i have of the onkyo txsr804 black unit.

bro, since you're selling your 804, you'll have better chances of finding a buyer if you post the unit at our Marketplace ...  ;)
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: milken on Aug 04, 2008 at 09:58 AM
bro, since you're selling your 804, you'll have better chances of finding a buyer if you post the unit at our Marketplace ...  ;)

I agree. The Marketplace section is the place to go.  :)
Title: denon 1909 vs 2309 vs 2809
Post by: marcyao on Oct 25, 2008 at 10:47 AM
denon 1909 vs 2309 vs 2809. is there a big difference in terms of sound quality between these 3 units? :)
Title: Denon 2809 vs. Onkyo 806
Post by: samlowry on Nov 11, 2008 at 04:51 PM
they are about the same price here in Metro Manila.  Which one would you pick?  Are they even in the same level/category?  I noticed that in the states, the 806 is now much, much cheaper than the 2809.  thanks!

thanks
Title: Re: Denon 2809 vs. Onkyo 806
Post by: avshop on Nov 11, 2008 at 05:09 PM
the denon 2809 would give better sound and detail. and the denon would be good for both movies and music. :)
Title: Re: Denon 2809 vs. Onkyo 806
Post by: samlowry on Nov 12, 2008 at 12:24 AM
thanks!  still researching:)  More opinions, pros and cons on both models would be cool too.  Thanks!
Title: Re: Denon 2809 vs. Onkyo 806
Post by: milken on Nov 12, 2008 at 02:25 PM
How about posting their specs side by side?  By doing so, you'll know which one has superior features.  But still, the one with better features doesn't necessarily sound better...  Also, you need to consider what speaker to pair them with.   Good luck!
Title: Re: Denon 2809 vs. Onkyo 806
Post by: samlowry on Nov 13, 2008 at 06:44 PM
thanks milken, still researching.  tiring.  I read that the 806 is even inferior to the 805.  a stripped down version of it's predecessor.   Hmmmm.   Yamaha 863 is sounding  attractive @ 49k.
Title: Re: Denon 2809 vs. Onkyo 806
Post by: streetsmart on Nov 13, 2008 at 07:43 PM
thanks milken, still researching.  tiring.  I read that the 806 is even inferior to the 805.  a stripped down version of it's predecessor.   Hmmmm.   Yamaha 863 is sounding  attractive @ 49k.

The huge advantage of the Denon 2809 vs any Yamaha AVR is Audyssey room correction, Dynamic EQ and Dynamic Volume. Makes a huge difference. State of the art. Yamaha doesn't come close.
Title: Re: Denon 2809 vs. Onkyo 806
Post by: samlowry on Nov 13, 2008 at 09:51 PM
true.  Audyssey seems to be a standard among newer receivers.   since Onkyo has it, I'm also looking at the 806 (or was looking) and the 876..... but my wife is probably not gonna greenlight it.  I'm also having my place acoustically designed by Matzter... hehe...baka maubos budget.
Title: Re: Denon 2809 vs. Onkyo 806
Post by: ricky on Nov 14, 2008 at 12:56 PM
true.  Audyssey seems to be a standard among newer receivers.   since Onkyo has it, I'm also looking at the 806 (or was looking) and the 876..... but my wife is probably not gonna greenlight it.  I'm also having my place acoustically designed by Matzter... hehe...baka maubos budget.

Congrats bro for choosing matz to do your acoustic treatment, expert na yan dyan. 4 yrs ago pa nya preach dito sa pinoydvd how important it is to have our room acoustically treated. ;) As for what receiver to choose, Si matz na din ask mo kasi sya din yung RECEIVER KING dito :o :o :o ;D pusta ko 876 ;)
Title: Re: Denon 2809 vs. Onkyo 806
Post by: milken on Nov 14, 2008 at 03:31 PM
It will be interesting to pit Denon 3809 with Onkyo 876.  There are quite a number of comparisons bet. Denon 3808 and Onkyo 875, with 875 emerging the winner but marginally so.  Which one will it be this year? Sorry for the OT.   :D

Btw, sir samlowry, what are your speakers?  Or are you choosing receiver first then speakers next?
Title: Denon 2309 vs Yamaha rx-v663
Post by: riven319 on Nov 14, 2008 at 04:31 PM
Hi guys!

I am choosing between the two models, to be paired with diamond 9.6 and 9cm speakers...

I know they are not of the same level but the equivalent model of the yamaha 663 (denon 1909 --- at least in the price range) does not contain pre-outs (deal-breaker for me).... so I also considered the denon 2309  (much higher spec'd on paper at around 10k more) instead of the 863 which would cost around 15k more than the 663...

Sir barrister has already provided me with a lot of technical info (thanks sir).  I would also need additional input on those with experience with a denon-wharf combo... 

I'm not after the other features because the hdmi inputs are enough for me (for both models)...  just the quality of internals, power they provide and compatibility with my current speakers...


thanks in advance!   :)
Title: Re: Denon 2309 vs Yamaha rx-v663
Post by: jackryan on Nov 14, 2008 at 04:37 PM

May I ask what is the indicative prices locally of Denon 2309 vs Yamaha rx-v663 that you have canvassed ?
Title: Re: Denon 2309 vs Yamaha rx-v663
Post by: riven319 on Nov 14, 2008 at 04:59 PM
sir jackryan,

2309 goes for 43k
663 goes for around 33k

Title: Re: Denon 2309 vs Yamaha rx-v663
Post by: blued888 on Nov 14, 2008 at 05:03 PM
from what i know the 2309 also doesn't have pre-outs. you have to get the 2809 to have 7.1 preouts. 2309 only have pre-out for the subwoofer.

if you really don't need the other features you should probably be looking at the 1909 vs 663.

edit: pdf product sheet of the 2309. link (142kb) (http://usa.denon.com/AVR-2309CI_Lit702.pdf)
Title: Re: Denon 2309 vs Yamaha rx-v663
Post by: riven319 on Nov 14, 2008 at 05:16 PM
thanks sir blued

but accdg to this http://www.denon.co.uk/site/frames_main.php?main=prod&ver=&MID=3&sub=1&fill=&action=detail&Pid=387& (http://www.denon.co.uk/site/frames_main.php?main=prod&ver=&MID=3&sub=1&fill=&action=detail&Pid=387&) the 2309 has preouts.. one of its main advantages over the 1909...  and i do remember it having the preouts last time i dropped by a shop :)

if it doesn't, then it's hands down 663 for me :D  although I'm still trying to come up with the budget pa :D siguro mga next 2 weeks....

Title: Re: Denon 2309 vs Yamaha rx-v663
Post by: blued888 on Nov 14, 2008 at 05:25 PM
better ask avshop if may pre-outs yung locally released 2309 dito kung ganun. :)

US version kasi yung tinitignan ko.
Title: Re: Denon 2309 vs Yamaha rx-v663
Post by: mike c on Nov 14, 2008 at 05:40 PM
ang pagkaalam ko yung CI version ang walang pre-out (US version)

yung non-CI version meron ata (yung locally available natin)

(http://www.denon.com.hk/images/cms/xl_200810271509241189757177ea844a03a3562a107da5fd19dd2ed24b.jpg)

http://www.denon.com.hk/images/cms/xl_200810271509241189757177ea844a03a3562a107da5fd19dd2ed24b.jpg

denon ka pa rin sir riven!   ;D
Title: Re: Denon 2309 vs Yamaha rx-v663
Post by: riven319 on Nov 14, 2008 at 06:00 PM
haha thank you mga sirs!

sir mike c, thanks din for inquiring on my behalf  :)
Title: Re: Denon 2309 vs Yamaha rx-v663
Post by: avshop on Nov 14, 2008 at 06:36 PM
i believe the 2309 has 7.1 pre outs. :) selling the 2309 for 41.5k :)
Title: Re: Denon 2809 vs. Onkyo 806
Post by: samlowry on Nov 16, 2008 at 12:34 AM
hey guys... Hehe... your guesses are pretty close... pero di na pasok sa budget ko ang 876 eh (around 71k).  Matzter highly recommends getting a power amp for my 4 ohm dynaudios tho... which I'm considering seriously. 

Priority ko ngayun is fixing the acoustics of my room which is 50% glass walls, one side is open and the other tiled.  pag may sukli..... baka... "baka" lang... amps.  I don't think the 876 can be bought with "sukli" haha.   

 My wife is not happy with the price of the 876 + preamps.  I myself would be satisfied with a midrange amp.  I love movies, LOTS of movies and music but I certainly won't qualify as an audiophile.  I think I'm easy to please.

@ Milken,  I have a Dynaudio set (52 x2 pcs, 42 x2 pcs. 42c x2 pcs, sub20a 1 pc) currently powered by my very trusty and dependable Yamaha rv1200.   Luma na set ko eh.... 2002 pa ata... yan yung time na P550++ k pa ang low res na plasma tv.  Nasira na saken... and already too obsolete and costly to repair.  fortunately, my audio system is still intact and as good as they were in day 1.  Yung remote lang nasira... battery rotted out.

Ano tingin nyo? 

Btw, I'm off to Hong Kong in a few hours... will try to find the A/V stores there.  Makabili ng hdmi cable. hahaha.
Title: Re: Denon 2809 vs. Onkyo 806
Post by: milken on Nov 16, 2008 at 02:37 PM
Dynaudio needs high current to sound their best especially since they are rated 4 ohms.  Dyns are known to be neutral speakers so I believe there's no problem pairing them with any receiver of your choice depending on the sound characteristics you want to hear.  Denon and Marantz are known to be warm sounding musical receivers while Yamaha sounds brighter, ideal for movies. I'm not sure with Onkyo though.. many find them warm sounding but a few threads I read claim them to be bright (?).  If you can go separates - pre pro + power amps like Arcam, NAD or Rotel... the better. mas mahal nga lang.  Or maybe stick with receivers then add power amps along the road.

Try getting some ideas in the Dynaudio Owner's Thread in AVS Forum.  http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=686371 (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=686371)
Title: Re: Denon 2809 vs. Onkyo 806
Post by: bono vox on Nov 17, 2008 at 04:46 PM
for me... i prefer the onkyo 806, more power than the denon 2809... power is much better!  ;D
Title: Re: Denon 2809 vs. Onkyo 806
Post by: MAtZTER on Nov 17, 2008 at 05:18 PM
Used to own Yamaha 2500 with YPAO then Denon 2807, Onkyo 705, 875 and now 876 (all audessey). I would respectfully disagree that Yamaha YPAO doesnt come close to Audessey by a big margin. The difference wasnt big at all, but of course the audessey definitely sounded better. In fact the detail processing of Yamaha still is one of the best in my book.

With due respect and of course my subjective 2 cents, I found the new (higher) model Onkyos more detailed and musical than the 2 Denons I used to own. But I found Denon's surround performance quite remarkable.

For Dynamic EQ and Dynamic volume, I dont like the sounds in this config. Since I watch at high volumes, I noticed the speech becomes unnatural and details become brittle sounding (edgy) at my regular listening volume. I switched back to the ordinary EQ and found it more appealing. For those wanting to upgrade their Audessey capable "last year's model" just for these 2 features, take my advice: DONT.

My subjective 2 cents lang po.
Title: Re: Denon 2809 vs. Onkyo 806
Post by: jambam on Nov 18, 2008 at 03:36 PM
Matz thanks for the advice , I still own a pre audyessy reciever  I was  thinking of buying  the  806 or 2809 to make sure I get the latest features ,but  with your advice it might be good to buy last years model and save a bit ....

So is Audyssey worth it , if I were to upgrade from a pre audyssey reciever...
Title: Re: Denon 2809 vs. Onkyo 806
Post by: MAtZTER on Nov 19, 2008 at 11:41 AM
Matz thanks for the advice , I still own a pre audyessy reciever  I was  thinking of buying  the  806 or 2809 to make sure I get the latest features ,but  with your advice it might be good to buy last years model and save a bit ....

So is Audyssey worth it , if I were to upgrade from a pre audyssey reciever...

My advice was for those having last year's receivers who are itching to get this year's models just for the new features, w/c IMO isnt a big deal. But if you are buying a new one, why not go for the latest >:D. I kinda doubt they are putting a big price drop on last year's models, but I would love to be wrong about that though.

If your pre audessey receiver has advanced auto calibration (in my case Yamaha's higher YPAO) , dont expect a night and day difference, but audessey is definitely an improvement over them. If you pre audessey receiver doesnt have any, then the difference will be higher.

Since Audessey receivers go hand in hand with the HDMI feature: yes, its worth it. The room correction technology is very nice, but it still isnt the solution to bad acoustics though, but it helps.
Title: Re: Denon 2809 vs. Onkyo 806
Post by: streetsmart on Nov 19, 2008 at 12:06 PM

For Dynamic EQ and Dynamic volume, I dont like the sounds in this config. Since I watch at high volumes, I noticed the speech becomes unnatural and details become brittle sounding (edgy) at my regular listening volume. I switched back to the ordinary EQ and found it more appealing. For those wanting to upgrade their Audessey capable "last year's model" just for these 2 features, take my advice: DONT.

Matt, Dynamic EQ and Dynamic volume are useful only if you listen at levels below reference. If you are listening at high volumes, they are automatically switched off. A lot of people at AVS Forum find these features very useful, but only because they do not listen at reference level.

On a related matter, these features are useful mainly for DVD movies because these are mastered according to a specific standard. Concert DVD's do not yet have standards. Even worse is TV. So, if you watch a concert or TV, it is usually better to switch them off.

With regard to Audyssey room correction, it is pretty incredible, especially if you carefully follow some rules which you can find at AVS Forum. If you have a room without acoustic treatment, it will help a lot. BUT, if you have a room with good acoustic treatment, it will make an even better improvement. In other words, acoustic treatment is still pretty much a MUST.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: jambam on Nov 19, 2008 at 09:24 PM
Matz/Streetsmart,

Thanks for your comments . I have done my acoustic treatments ... It's now whether I buy a new reciever .....
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: flak-jacket on Nov 21, 2008 at 07:45 PM
Denon 1909 or Onkyo 606?

paired with small bookshelf speakers (5.1 setup) and to be used in a secondary setup in a small listening area.  :)
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: blued888 on Nov 21, 2008 at 07:48 PM
Denon 1909 or Onkyo 606?

paired with small bookshelf speakers (5.1 setup) and to be used in a secondary setup in a small listening area.  :)

Lossless decoding a necessity for this small listening area?
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: flak-jacket on Nov 21, 2008 at 07:51 PM
Lossless decoding a necessity for this small listening area?

yup  :)
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: blued888 on Nov 21, 2008 at 08:28 PM
yup  :)

Kung ganun, might be better if you could get the 1909 even though it's a bit more expensive than the 606 because of the Audyssey Dynamic Volume and EQ which is believed to have an effect on sound quality at lower volume levels.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: flak-jacket on Nov 22, 2008 at 01:40 AM
^ thanks for your inputs  :)
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: jambam on Nov 24, 2008 at 10:53 AM
Finally bit the bullet and just got a denon 2809 c/o the very good services of SGT home theater ..

But setup is still ongoing .. Recievers are getting very complicated and not plug and play any more...
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: mike c on Nov 24, 2008 at 10:59 AM
congrats jambam! 

let us know kung ok!  pics?  :D
Title: Onkyo or Yamaha? Please Help
Post by: eikram_14 on Nov 28, 2008 at 03:08 AM

Guys,

Need your best opinion... which to buy.

planning to buy a AVR this coming wednesday and im stuck between onkyo 606 and yamaha 663.

the new avr will be paired with jamo floorstanders.

Thanks!
Title: Re: Onkyo or Yamaha? Please Help
Post by: anchit on Nov 28, 2008 at 02:24 PM
best bro would be to bring your speakrs sa bibilihan mo ng avr ang try both avr.
Title: Re: Onkyo or Yamaha? Please Help
Post by: eikram_14 on Nov 28, 2008 at 02:32 PM
best bro would be to bring your speakrs sa bibilihan mo ng avr ang try both avr.

kung pede nga lang sana dalhin :(

medyo mabigat at 45kg both speakers. first time to use jamo for my HT setup and the choices here
is only limited to onkyo's and yamaha...
Title: Re: Onkyo or Yamaha? Please Help
Post by: blued888 on Nov 28, 2008 at 02:37 PM
best bro would be to bring your speakrs sa bibilihan mo ng avr ang try both avr.

go to a store that has jamo/yamaha/onkyo.
Title: Re: Onkyo or Yamaha? Please Help
Post by: eikram_14 on Nov 28, 2008 at 02:42 PM
@blued888

what can you say about the performance of yammie 663 for audio... musically or more of HT
Title: Re: Onkyo or Yamaha? Please Help
Post by: blued888 on Nov 28, 2008 at 02:53 PM
@blued888

what can you say about the performance of yammie 663 for audio... musically or more of HT

My unit has not arrived yet. It might arrive sometime next week. As for being musical or more HT, how do you quantify that?
Title: Re: Onkyo or Yamaha? Please Help
Post by: eikram_14 on Nov 28, 2008 at 02:59 PM
My unit has not arrived yet. It might arrive sometime next week. As for being musical or more HT, how do you quantify that?

planning to use the yamaha if bought for 50/50 both audio and HT.
Title: Re: Onkyo or Yamaha? Please Help
Post by: blued888 on Nov 28, 2008 at 03:19 PM
planning to use the yamaha if bought for 50/50 both audio and HT.

FYI, the 663 has a "Pure Direct" mode which if the name implies correctly, bypasses any type of processing on the signal... Which I think would be good for music. Not sure if Onkyo has something similar.
Title: Re: Onkyo or Yamaha? Please Help
Post by: anchit on Nov 28, 2008 at 03:32 PM
ayaw ko n magbasa dito!!!! fixed nako sa 363 eh!=)
Title: Re: Onkyo or Yamaha? Please Help
Post by: blued888 on Nov 28, 2008 at 04:02 PM
ayaw ko n magbasa dito!!!! fixed nako sa 363 eh!=)

Pag basic HT use lang talaga pwede na 363. Yung 663 kasi may mga lossless pa (yung sa akin nga hindi ko gagamitin yung feature na yun dahil wala naman akong Blu-ray.) Nice to have lang just in case magkaruon.
Title: Re: Onkyo or Yamaha? Please Help
Post by: vinci on Nov 28, 2008 at 04:08 PM
ayaw ko n magbasa dito!!!! fixed nako sa 363 eh!=)

you won't be fixed on one thing unless nasa posession mo na.hehe..minsan nga kahit nasa possesion mo na.di pa rin fix.. :)

@blued

bro. sooner or later you will feel the itch to go lossleses audio. ;D
BDP na!
Title: Re: Onkyo or Yamaha? Please Help
Post by: blued888 on Nov 28, 2008 at 04:17 PM
you won't be fixed on one thing unless nasa posession mo na.hehe..minsan nga kahit nasa possesion mo na.di pa rin fix.. :)

@blued

bro. sooner or later you will feel the itch to go lossleses audio. ;D
BDP na!

Nag-audition na ako ng lossless vs. not lossless, hindi ko madistinguish yung difference kaya wala yung itch. ;D Buti nalang dahil magastos BD! Pag yung prices sa US bumaba na like DVDs pwede na siguro pero matagal pa yun eh.
Title: Re: Onkyo or Yamaha? Please Help
Post by: vinci on Nov 28, 2008 at 04:22 PM
Nag-audition na ako ng lossless vs. not lossless, hindi ko madistinguish yung difference kaya wala yung itch. ;D Buti nalang dahil magastos BD! Pag yung prices sa US bumaba na like DVDs pwede na siguro pero matagal pa yun eh.

but to maximize the potential nung receiver...buy na bdp..para sulit ang lossless capability nyan..hehe.just kidding bro. ;D
Title: Re: Onkyo or Yamaha? Please Help
Post by: metalgodz on Nov 28, 2008 at 05:11 PM
Guys,

Need your best opinion... which to buy.

planning to buy a AVR this coming wednesday and im stuck between onkyo 606 and yamaha 663.

the new avr will be paired with jamo floorstanders.

Thanks!

sir if bringing the speakers to a shop is too heavy for you try to contact some of the AV shops for a home demo if you're really locked on either onkyo 606 or the yammy 663. this is the best way to decide what amp can bring out the best of your floor standers.

happy hunting. goodluck!  ::)
Title: Re: Onkyo or Yamaha? Please Help
Post by: blued888 on Nov 28, 2008 at 05:38 PM
Sa Sights & Sounds may Jamo and Onkyo ata, not sure about Yamaha. Maybe you can ask E-reply.
Title: Re: Onkyo or Yamaha? Please Help
Post by: nogie on Nov 28, 2008 at 07:43 PM
Depende kung saan mo gagamitin yong AVR  bibilhin mo??

Just want to share my "inexperienced" experience with Onkyo 605 which also has lossless capability to decode new codecs Dolby TruHD & DTSMA.

I paired onkyo w/ Wharfes speakers (9.5,9.1,9cs,wh2) 7.1 setup. Using both PS3 & Toshiba A3 & A30 HD DVD players. Sound is awesome with Movies, in fact  i can't distinguish the difference with the current AVR I'm using right now (Denon 3806). The difference is when I tried to play some music, sound is muddy (i don't know if is there's really such a thing as speaker matching?) that i would prefer listening to my small multimedia bose companion 2 speakers. I end up selling the Onkyo 605 and decided to buy older Denon 3806 but higher model (w/ HDMI) AVR. Man, the difference in terms of audio is NIGHT & DAY. You can hear the man getting air to blow trumpet, lumalabas mga detalye or hear different musical instrument that they use. If you're an audio & video guy 50/50 (based on my experience), go for Yammie but pag movies ka then buy the Onkyo!!



Title: Re: Onkyo or Yamaha? Please Help
Post by: darkwing on Nov 29, 2008 at 04:19 AM
FYI, the 663 has a "Pure Direct" mode which if the name implies correctly, bypasses any type of processing on the signal... Which I think would be good for music. Not sure if Onkyo has something similar.

meron din ang Onkyo, tapos between Denon 3806 and Onkyo 605, naku parang overmatched 120 W(per channel) vs 90 W hehe
Title: Re: Onkyo or Yamaha? Please Help
Post by: blued888 on Nov 29, 2008 at 08:49 AM
meron din ang Onkyo, tapos between Denon 3806 and Onkyo 605, naku parang overmatched 120 W(per channel) vs 90 W hehe

Hindi malaki ang difference ng 90W and 120W in terms of volume. Mas maganda yung components sa luob ng 3806 kasi higher end model. Mas macho yung mga power supplies niya kaya iba tumunog. :)
Title: Re: Onkyo or Yamaha? Please Help
Post by: nogie on Nov 29, 2008 at 04:21 PM
@ eikram_14

Just want to share with you my learnings here @  PDVD para hindi ka rin dapuan ng dreadful at nakakahawang sakit ng maraming members. :)

1. If you have extra money (like most of the GURUS here :D) to set-up separate audio equipment like pre/pro amps including tubes, vinyl... settle for mid-level AVR (for your movie requirements) that can decode lossless codecs. Maraming kang choices like Yammie 663, Denon 1909, Onkyo 606 to name some brand. But..

2. If you're on a tight budget & you're planning to use your HT set-up on both movies & audio listening, save a little more money & buy the higher end model. This will save you from upgrading & selling your gear in the very near future! Sayang pera mo! :)
Title: Re: Onkyo or Yamaha? Please Help
Post by: bass_nut on Nov 29, 2008 at 07:45 PM
my amateurish inputs

if i remember it right, Yamaha AVRs can accept/power speakers down to 4 ohms... some audio transducers have 4 ohms kaya you might also want to consider this low ohms capability of Yamahas in case you may catch or "get in love" with a pair of 4 ohm transducers in the near future... hehehehe

with 4 ohms output, my Yamaha squeezes out more power than its 8 ohms power output rating... say a 120 watts/ch/8ohms will go 190watts/ch/4ohms... not exact figures but that is sort of the idea

my previous Yahama AVR has "pure direct" switch too... very good for audio listening on my 4 ohms transducers

it also has subwoofer pre-out for a powered subwoofer which to me is also good for audio

cheers!!!
Title: Re: Onkyo or Yamaha? Please Help
Post by: blued888 on Nov 30, 2008 at 12:04 AM
my amateurish inputs

if i remember it right, Yamaha AVRs can accept/power speakers down to 4 ohms... some audio transducers have 4 ohms kaya you might also want to consider this low ohms capability of Yamahas in case you may catch or "get in love" with a pair of 4 ohm transducers in the near future... hehehehe

with 4 ohms output, my Yamaha squeezes out more power than its 8 ohms power output rating... say a 120 watts/ch/8ohms will go 190watts/ch/4ohms... not exact figures but that is sort of the idea

my previous Yahama AVR has "pure direct" switch too... very good for audio listening on my 4 ohms transducers

it also has subwoofer pre-out for a powered subwoofer which to me is also good for audio

cheers!!!

Most receivers are not designed to handle a 4-ohm input that goes into high volumes, you're fine if you listen to low volumes but otherwise it will tax the amplifier, causing more heat than usual because of the 4-ohm load. And 4-ohm speakers mean that they essentially dip to the 3.xx or 2.xx regions at various frequencies. "120 watts/ch/8ohms will go 190watts/ch/4ohms" is dynamic power and this is for a few milliseconds only. A receiver absolutely will not handle 190W constantly given a 4-ohm load. :)

If you're looking into venturing to 4-ohm speakers, get a receiver with pre-outs plus an external amplifier otherwise you'd risk running your receiver into the clipping regions very often which would result in premature speaker/receiver failure.
Title: Re: Onkyo or Yamaha? Please Help
Post by: Toslink on Nov 30, 2008 at 02:28 AM
If you're looking into venturing to 4-ohm speakers, get a receiver with pre-outs plus an external amplifier otherwise you'd risk running your receiver into the clipping regions very often which would result in premature speaker/receiver failure.

 + 1...


use the power of Google! search for reviews of both receiver of your choice then decide!  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Onkyo or Yamaha? Please Help
Post by: bass_nut on Dec 01, 2008 at 12:43 PM
Most receivers are not designed to handle a 4-ohm input that goes into high volumes, you're fine if you listen to low volumes but otherwise it will tax the amplifier, causing more heat than usual because of the 4-ohm load. And 4-ohm speakers mean that they essentially dip to the 3.xx or 2.xx regions at various frequencies. "120 watts/ch/8ohms will go 190watts/ch/4ohms" is dynamic power and this is for a few milliseconds only. A receiver absolutely will not handle 190W constantly given a 4-ohm load. :)

If you're looking into venturing to 4-ohm speakers, get a receiver with pre-outs plus an external amplifier otherwise you'd risk running your receiver into the clipping regions very often which would result in premature speaker/receiver failure.


quite true... some transducers do dip to low impedance level which will be too taxing for an amplifier to drive... some reach around the area of 2ohms or a bit below that

there are also transducers that have linear impedance characteristic as reviewed on test bench... 4 ohms rated impedance transducers that do not dip to dangerous low impedeance level... just steady 4ohms ;)

a sample power rating of Yamaha AVR i posted has rms as unit value

here is how rms was described
 http://www.goodsound.com/howto/2001_08_01.htm

Quote
Continuous or RMS power simply tells us how much power a given amp can deliver day-in/day-out on a steady basis. (RMS stands for root means square, an equation that specifies average power.) An amplifier's peak power might be three times its continuous rating, or even greater, but that rating is only available for milliseconds

my inputs are based on my actual experience... a YAMAHA AVR (with a Yamaha 5.1 HT system) and a pair of 4 ohms rated transducers (different brand) for audio listening... this configuration was quite pleasing 'til i upgraded and totally separated my audio system from my HT system

FWIW, i use SPL meter (with digital readout) to adjust volume settings as i have no instrument to measure the actual watts output from my amp... i maintain below 85dB (spl meter positioned at my listening distance) to avoid ear damage... maybe this is also one reason i do not reach clipping level

cheers!!!
Title: Re: Onkyo or Yamaha? Please Help
Post by: praktikal on Dec 02, 2008 at 02:36 PM
Guys,

Need your best opinion... which to buy.

planning to buy a AVR this coming wednesday and im stuck between onkyo 606 and yamaha 663.

the new avr will be paired with jamo floorstanders.

Thanks!

nakapili ka na ba?
Title: Re: Onkyo or Yamaha? Please Help
Post by: ivannn on Dec 03, 2008 at 09:50 PM
nakapili ka na ba?

wednesday ngayon sir :) nakakuha ka na? suggest ko yamaha na avr :)
Title: Re: Onkyo or Yamaha? Please Help
Post by: eikram_14 on Dec 05, 2008 at 04:45 AM

Guys,

Thanks for the infos..... got a new yammie 663!

and im enjoying it though 2 channel palang set up ko  ;D

planning to finish my setup this coming feb..... ipon muna ulit.

Title: Re: Onkyo or Yamaha? Please Help
Post by: jojitv on Dec 05, 2008 at 05:05 AM
Guys,

Thanks for the infos..... got a new yammie 663!

and im enjoying it though 2 channel palang set up ko  ;D

planning to finish my setup this coming feb..... ipon muna ulit.



Congrats on your new receiver. I'm sure you'll enjoy it more once you've completed your speaker set-up. :)
Title: Re: Onkyo or Yamaha? Please Help
Post by: ivannn on Dec 05, 2008 at 08:22 AM
Guys,

Thanks for the infos..... got a new yammie 663!

and im enjoying it though 2 channel palang set up ko  ;D

planning to finish my setup this coming feb..... ipon muna ulit.



hi sir, what are your speakers now?
Title: Re: Onkyo or Yamaha? Please Help
Post by: jojitv on Dec 05, 2008 at 09:12 AM
hi sir, what are your speakers now?

I think he paired it with his jamo floorstanders. :)
Title: Re: Onkyo or Yamaha? Please Help
Post by: eikram_14 on Dec 05, 2008 at 06:51 PM
hi sir, what are your speakers now?
@ ivann

i paired it up with Jamo E770 speakers.... ganda ng mids nito.

btw this jamo E770 is EISA 5 star year 2005
Title: Re: Onkyo or Yamaha? Please Help
Post by: lakambini on Dec 06, 2008 at 08:56 AM
sir,

if you'll take into consideration the budget, go get the onkyo. (very easy to use, clean-sounding stereo sound, but gets hot)

however, if you love to tweak and love DSPs, choose the yamaha. (more inclined to movies than music-making, but somewhat underpowered)

in my opinion, the jamos is better partnered with the onkyo.

better yet find a dealer that carries both brands and ask them if you audition them in your own home.

just my.001 cents,

hope this helps

good luck,
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: mojacko816 on Dec 06, 2008 at 11:03 AM
Onkyo is best for HT!
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Title: Harman Kardon AVR 254 or Onkyo TX 606?
Post by: RJ Angeles on Dec 07, 2008 at 11:40 AM
any comments on this? pros and cons as well as the price? il be using B&W speakers yung 685 model.

TIA  ;)
Title: Re: Harman Kardon AVR 254 or Onkyo TX 606?
Post by: avshop on Dec 07, 2008 at 11:49 AM
any comments on this? pros and cons as well as the price? il be using B&W speakers yung 685 model.

TIA  ;)

i'd go for hk.  great audio quality! you might want to wait for the release of the hk 255 here. at least you'll be covered by the local warranty. :)
Title: Re: Harman Kardon AVR 254 or Onkyo TX 606?
Post by: gisan925 on Dec 07, 2008 at 02:13 PM
i'd go for hk.  great audio quality! you might want to wait for the release of the hk 255 here. at least you'll be covered by the local warranty. :)

kindly pm price of HK255 / 265. tnx
Title: Re: Harman Kardon AVR 254 or Onkyo TX 606?
Post by: avshop on Dec 07, 2008 at 05:00 PM

kindly pm price of HK255 / 265. tnx

no price yet for the hk 255 but i would expect it to be around 35-38k. :)
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: ramsey on Dec 29, 2008 at 12:05 PM
How loud is reference level? ;D Madalas ko po ito mabasa sa mag. Say your receiver has a volume from -80db to +10. Saang volume considered ang reference level?
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Toslink on Dec 29, 2008 at 04:06 PM
How loud is reference level? ;D Madalas ko po ito mabasa sa mag. Say your receiver has a volume from -80db to +10. Saang volume considered ang reference level?

-25db?... that's where i use my SPL meter to adjust my speaker vol. level (madalas  -20db :D)
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: barrister on Dec 29, 2008 at 07:24 PM
How loud is reference level? ;D Madalas ko po ito mabasa sa mag. Say your receiver has a volume from -80db to +10. Saang volume considered ang reference level?

I have some idea, but I'm still not confident that I understand it fully.  While we're waiting for the experts to reply, allow me to share what I have in mind:

How loud is reference level?  Assuming that your set-up (receiver + speakers + content, including room interactions) is properly calibrated for volume levels, Reference Level is at "0" position on your AV Receiver's volume control.

The goal of a reference level is to standardize volume levels by allowing a comparison with a fixed volume level.

"0 dBFS" (decibel full scale) refers to the maximum possible amplitude level in a digital system without clipping.  Values lower than the maximum level are represented by negative numbers.

But the 0 dBFS level is still not the reference level, since audio equipments are calibrated using a pink noise signal that is recorded at around 10 dB below 0 dBFS.  That's because a zero value is considered too loud --- loud enough to cause hearing damage. 

That -10 dB adjustment gives us a lower reference level at listening position with an average of 85 dB SPL (sound pressure level), and a maximum of 105 dB SPL.  The LFE (Low Frequency Effects) channel is given a maximum of 115 dB SPL.  I'm not sure why the LFE is 10 dB louder, but I speculate it's because the human ear is less sensitive to low frequencies, so it was boosted to compensate.

Therefore, with a calibrated setup, a "0" level on your receiver should give you a reference level of 105 dB SPL max. and 115 dB SPL max. for LFE.   

But remember that the reference level is not the recommended volume level for playback purposes.  It was formulated merely to give us a standard so that when we say, for example, that we listened at "-20 dB", we would know we are talking about more or less the same volume level.

I usually set my AVR at -15 dB, and I would imagine it to be close to what the director and sound engineers intended.  It's already quite loud at -15 dB...  but listening at 0 level would be insanely loud, probably even dangerous to your hearing.

Just in case you feel a 0 dB level is still not loud enough, I recommend that you visit an ear specialist first before going back to your favorite audio-video shop ...  :D
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: streetsmart on Dec 30, 2008 at 07:54 AM
I have some idea, but I'm still not confident that I understand it fully.  While we're waiting for the experts to reply, allow me to share what I have in mind:

How loud is reference level?  Assuming that your set-up (receiver + speakers + content, including room interactions) is properly calibrated for volume levels, Reference Level is at "0" position on your AV Receiver's volume control.

The goal of a reference level is to standardize volume levels by allowing a comparison with a fixed volume level.

"0 dBFS" (decibel full scale) refers to the maximum possible amplitude level in a digital system without clipping.  Values lower than the maximum level are represented by negative numbers.

But the 0 dBFS level is still not the reference level, since audio equipments are calibrated using a pink noise signal that is recorded at around 10 dB below 0 dBFS.  That's because a zero value is considered too loud --- loud enough to cause hearing damage. 

That -10 dB adjustment gives us a lower reference level at listening position with an average of 85 dB SPL (sound pressure level), and a maximum of 105 dB SPL.  The LFE (Low Frequency Effects) channel is given a maximum of 115 dB SPL.  I'm not sure why the LFE is 10 dB louder, but I speculate it's because the human ear is less sensitive to low frequencies, so it was boosted to compensate.

Therefore, with a calibrated setup, a "0" level on your receiver should give you a reference level of 105 dB SPL max. and 115 dB SPL max. for LFE.   

But remember that the reference level is not the recommended volume level for playback purposes.  It was formulated merely to give us a standard so that when we say, for example, that we listened at "-20 dB", we would know we are talking about more or less the same volume level.

I usually set my AVR at -15 dB, and I would imagine it to be close to what the director and sound engineers intended.  It's already quite loud at -15 dB...  but listening at 0 level would be insanely loud, probably even dangerous to your hearing.

Just in case you feel a 0 dB level is still not loud enough, I recommend that you visit an ear specialist first before going back to your favorite audio-video shop ...  :D


Good post.

Frankly, I've forgotten all of the explanations behind this but let me provide some more info:

Your definition of reference level is right (85 db at listening position with max of 105 db). In order to have a reference level at "0" on the master volume, you play the internal test tones of the AVR and you should read 75 db on your sound level meter with "C" weighting and "Slow." That's just how the test tones are designed.

The reference level is actually the level at which the original master was mixed. It really is the volume at which the film is intended to be watched. Oftentimes, this is too loud for people but nevertheless, it is the standard.

If you set your volume below reference level, you have to increase your bass and treble (a little less for the treble than the bass) because our perception of bass and treble diminishes more rapidly than mid-frequencies, as the volume decreases. Same thing with the surrounds -- if you listen at lower than reference level, you have to increase the level of the surrounds because our perception of sounds behind us diminishes more rapidly than sounds in front of us as the volume decreases. This phenomenon is exactly what Audyssey Dynamic EQ (which is found in the newer Denon and Onkyo AVR's) addresses automatically.

If you want to do some heavy research on this, try to look up "Fletcher-Munson" curves.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: barrister on Dec 30, 2008 at 08:09 AM
Maganda pala talaga ang Audyssey ...

I looked up "Fletcher-Munson" curves on Wikipedia.  Very interesting ... 

Thanks for the info!

Bad influence ka sir.  Hindi ko pinapansin dati ang Audyssey.  Now that I read your post, I'm thinking about upgrading my Yamaha AVR with a Denon.      >:(

I have Wharfedale speakers.  Question ko lang, if you have an Audyssey-equipped Onkyo/Denon, would receiver-speaker matching be irrelevant, since the total sound output will be automatically equalized anyway?  In other words, would a Denon-Wharfe combination be fine?


Happy New Year sir streetsmart!

Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: streetsmart on Dec 30, 2008 at 09:44 AM
I have Wharfedale speakers.  Question ko lang, if you have an Audyssey-equipped Onkyo/Denon, would receiver-speaker matching be irrelevant, since the total sound output will be automatically equalized anyway?  In other words, would a Denon-Wharfe combination be fine?

Yes, I believe that if you have an AVR with Audyssey, receiver-speaker matching is less relevant.

What I am pretty sure of is that Audyssey MultEQ does such a good job that even if you have mismatching speakers, they will sound quite similar after running Audyssey.

Audyssey is a pretty amazing product. Take a look at this article: http://stereophile.com/musicintheround/1108mitr/

It's a little technical but you should get the drift.

Happy New Year too!  :)
Title: Onkyo 606 vs Denon 1909 vs Harmon Kardon 354
Post by: gisan925 on Jan 19, 2009 at 10:21 PM
Just want to share with you guys an article i read at AV Science Forum. ;)

Onkyo 606 vs Denon 1909 vs Harmon Kardon 354

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I discovered AVSForum about five months ago when I began my search for a home theater system. In that time I’ve found the entire site very informative and a great resource for information. So to return the favor I thought that I should share with everyone my recent receiver experiences. My previous system was a midrange bookshelf stereo system and this was my first real home theater system so I’m coming at this as a novice without any brand biases (I think). I have a Comcast/ Motorola DCH-3416 HD DVR cable box, a Samsung HLT 5076 DLP TV, a Samsung P1500 Bluray player and Infinitty TSS 1200 speakers (5.1). All equipment is less than a year old and was connected to the receivers via quality HDMI 1.3 cables

Over the last eleven weeks I have tried the Onkyo TX SR 606, the Harmon Kardon AVR 354 and the Denon AVR 1909. I also purchased the companion I-pod docks for the Onkyo and Denon because all of my music is currently on my computer and i-pod (roughly 6,000 songs). I paid below MSRP for all three but each receiver plus I-pod dock cost me between $570 and $700 (my target price range). The Harmon Kardon 354 was the most expensive, the Onkyo 606 was the cheapest and the Denon 1909 was in the middle. I used each receiver and dock for about four weeks. As follows is my non-audiophile review of the three units. However, I am an industrial designer with 15 years of experience designing consumer and medical products so there may be some bias.

Build Quality and Design
HK wins- the receiver looks great, I like the clean modern design and glowing volume dial is a nice detail (although a little too bright). The HK also seems to be made of slightly better quality materials than the Onkyo or Denon.
Onkyo/Denon- tie the Onkyo is ugly with too many buttons and a sickly green display but has a metal face plate. The Denon looks decent and has a better display but has a plastic front.

Set Up
HK wins- Easy to understand manual written in plain English. Good images and call outs and a step by step quick start guide with color coded speaker connections makes things simple.
Onkyo, second- Pretty easy but not as good as the HK.
Denon, last.- Who wrote and designed this manual? I often find myself reading a paragraph three times before I finally understand what it means. The layout doesn’t help either. Why do I have to hit the back button to make a selection during setup but it’s not mentioned anywhere?

Auto EQ Callibration
Denon- Six position
Onkyo- Three position
Harmon Kardon- One position (very loud calibration tones as well).
I could be wrong but am assuming that more calibration positions should equal better sound through out the room. I did a lot of manual adjustments and fine tuning to the HK to get a good soundstage in different seating positions. I have a unique seating layout and speaker placement in my living room/ home theater that could be a factor. The Onkyo required minimal adjustments and I’m still using the auto settings on the Denon and have been pretty pleased.

Sound: Music
After making the aforementioned adjustments I found that the HK354 has the superior sound with music. I was listening to some jazz and it’s like you can hear an extra dimension to the music. I could not only hear the notes of the instruments but also what I can only explain as the “reverb” that emanates from the body of a piano or guitar. Don’t get me wrong, the Onkyo and Denon sound good, the HK just gives you something more. In my experience so far I’d say the 606 and 1909 are equal. However, once I have some time to adjust the Denon I could see it moving closer to the HK in sound quality.

Sound: TV and Movies
The Denon 1909 sounds great for television and movies. I think that the six position auto calibration really makes a difference. I found the surround sound to be seamless and enveloping even at different seating locations. I also think that Dynamic EQ and Dynamic volume greatly improve the listening experience. The Onkyo was a notch behind the Denon and the HK was third.

I-pod Integration
The single cable connection to the receiver for The Bridge II dock allows for a cleaner installation, especially if you want to place your dock in a more visible location. Both the Denon and Onkyo docks have five cables running from the dock to the receiver. This solution is the most flexible for connecting the docks with different systems but five cables is a bit much. The Onkyo dock came with its own remote but the receiver’s remote worked as well.
I found that the Bridge II was very slow when accessing play lists and menus on my 30g 5th Gen Ipod (it seemed to completely locked up a few times). However, when playing music it was fine. The Onkyo and Denon docks were more responsive when accessing menus and play lists. The OSD of the HK is far superior to the other two. The track title and artist name was nicely displayed on my television with clean graphics. No cool screen savers like what you might find with Windows Media player and no album art like I-tunes but definitely acceptable. I found myself turning off my television so that I didn’t have to look at the ancient looking Onkyo and Denon screen graphics. One thing of note: the Onkyo and Denon receivers have a feature that “restores” digital music files by restoring the base and treble to compressed (MP3) music. The Denon has three different restore levels for this. The HK doesn’t offer this feature.

Remote
The HK 354 remote is pretty good. Out of the box it lacked codes for my television, cable box and Blu-ray player. However, the learning feature allowed it to operate everything except the Blu-ray. You can also create activities that will allow the remote to activate complex multi step actions with just two button presses. It’s back lit as well. The things that I didn’t like about it were that the buttons were mushy and the remote was on the bulky side. If the HK remote was 15% smaller, had stiffer buttons and operated my Blu-ray player it would have been a home run.
The size and design of the Onkyo remote were pretty good. It also came with codes to operate all of my equipment. However, it lacked the ability to program activities like the HK.
The Denon remote does not have codes for any of my equipment and does not have a learning feature so I was forced to have multiple remotes (or buy something like a Harmony). I don’t like the layout of the remote either. The double sided design with the door on the bottom is annoying. I also think that those little switches on the lower top for are simply a bad idea. Two position switches are OK but four? At first glance you might think that the top buttons are back lit but they are not. The plastic around the buttons glows. Why not spend the extra three cents for some LEDs and give us a real back lit remote Denon?
The Harmon Kardon and Denon came with second simplified remote for the second zone I didn’t use either.

Additional Features
The Onkyo 606 has four HDMI inputs while the Denon and Harmon Kardon both have 3. I’m using all HDMI so I won’t comment on the other available connections other than saying that there’s a lot. All three receivers have all of the current sound and video decoders built in and can play analog audio in a separate zone. The HK is XM ready, the Onkyo is Sirius ready and the Denon allows for both.
An important addition is that the Onkyo 606 and Denon 1909 feature Audyssey Dynamic EQ. In my experience this features really make everyday listening more enjoyable. While the Harmon Kardon sounded better with music I found that the great sound only kicked in at a certain volume (higher than -30db by my ear). The problem is that as soon as the “good sound” kicked in, my wife would start complaining about how loud the music was. Dynamic EQ means that I can still get decent sound at a “wife acceptable” volume. In fact, at low volume both the Denon and Onkyo sounded better than the Harmon Kardon. As I mentioned, I’m confident that given some time playing with the EQ and sound settings on the Denon I can get to sound even better than it does now.
In addition to Dynamix EQ, the Denon offers Dynamic Volume. Dynamic Volume evens out the volume differences between shows and commercials when watching television or between dialog and action sounds (explosions, etc.) when watching a movie. I found that with Dynamic Volume enabled I was no longer constantly adjusting the volume when watching TV or a movie (another wife pleasing feature). Note: HK just introduced a receiver that features Dolby Volume which seems to do the same thing as the Audyssey Dynamic EQ and Volume. However, it is only available on their top of the line 755HD that lists for $2,799.00.
The HK 354 has an on screen graphic user interface that is head and shoulders better than the Denon or the Onkyo. When changing settings or the volume, crisp clean graphics are transparently overlaid on the television screen over what you are watching. It’s kind of like a (way) simplified version of Mac OS X or Microsoft Vista. Paired with the easy to use remote, the GUI really made playing with the sound and video settings on the HK a snap.

Reliably
Discounting any confusion from miss-reading the manuals, the Denon and Onkyo worked pretty flawlessly. However, with the HK 354 I kept running across annoying issues related to both sound and video drop outs. I know that seamlessly integrating different brands of HD/DVR cable boxes, Blu-ray players, video game systems and televisions so that they play nice together can pose a challenge for any home theater receiver, especially when adding the anti-piracy features of HDMI to the mix. However, in by experience Denon and Onkyo have it figured it out better than Harmon Kardon right now. I hear that HK is working on a firmware update that should address some of the problems that have been uncovered so maybe in short time this won’t be an issue.

In Conclusion
Each receiver has its advantages and disadvantages but here are my recommendations. If you’re looking for the most bang for your buck go with the Onkyo, If you value design and big sound and are willing to put up with (or risk) some potential quirks go with the Harmon Kardon. If you have the patience to deal with a challenging manual, awkward remote and need to keep the wife happy go with the Denon.

Hope it helps
Title: Re: Onkyo 606 vs Denon 1909 vs Harmon Kardon 354
Post by: avshop on Jan 20, 2009 at 12:30 AM
the hk x54 series really had a lot of bugs when they first released it.  that's why the distributor here didn't want to bring in the new hk x55 series here until they fixed all the bugs.  the distributor says that the new hk models here are bug free. only time will tell if that's true. :)
Title: Re: Onkyo 606 vs Denon 1909 vs Harmon Kardon 354
Post by: dannielsimone on Jan 22, 2009 at 09:37 PM
Well....for a man on a budget...who is looking for a serious bang for buck reciever.....you answered my question.  Thanx for your technical yet very comprehensive review.  Next phase for me is canvasing for the best deal for cash including delivery and installation.  Will be looking to buy as soon as I get my bonus......hopefully very soon.

Again thanx for the review.

Title: Re: Onkyo 606 vs Denon 1909 vs Harmon Kardon 354
Post by: allenwfc on Jan 26, 2009 at 05:09 PM
Well....for a man on a budget...who is looking for a serious bang for buck reciever.....you answered my question.  Thanx for your technical yet very comprehensive review.  Next phase for me is canvasing for the best deal for cash including delivery and installation.  Will be looking to buy as soon as I get my bonus......hopefully very soon.

Again thanx for the review.



if you can wait 6-9 more months, i can sell you my  705 :)
just suggestion hehe
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: robdjhojd on Feb 13, 2009 at 04:42 PM
Yamaha 663 or HK 254/255 ?
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: nogie on Feb 13, 2009 at 04:56 PM
Yamaha 663 or HK 254/255 ?

They are priced the same with one of our sellers in the marketplace. IMO, if you're into movies go for the 663 kung mas audio person ka then go for the HK. ;)
Title: Re: Onkyo 606 vs Denon 1909 vs Harmon Kardon 354
Post by: iiinas on Feb 15, 2009 at 09:38 AM
the harman is really really tempting, its selling only for $518 on amazon now with free ipod dock and two remotes (main and zone 2). problem really is the issues. even with the firmware upgrades, a lot of people still complain about the video and audio dropouts. so its really hard to pull the trigger on this avr.

sayang!  :(
Title: Re: Onkyo 606 vs Denon 1909 vs Harmon Kardon 354
Post by: avshop on Feb 15, 2009 at 02:45 PM
the harman is really really tempting, its selling only for $518 on amazon now with free ipod dock and two remotes (main and zone 2). problem really is the issues. even with the firmware upgrades, a lot of people still complain about the video and audio dropouts. so its really hard to pull the trigger on this avr.

sayang!  :(

you might want to try out the hk 355. it's the asian version.  distributor says there are no bugs. i'm using one at home right now and so far no problems. i love the sound! :)  i can give you a good deal on the 255 and 355 models. :)
Title: Re: Onkyo 606 vs Denon 1909 vs Harmon Kardon 354
Post by: iiinas on Feb 15, 2009 at 02:54 PM
you might want to try out the hk 355. it's the asian version.  distributor says there are no bugs. i'm using one at home right now and so far no problems. i love the sound! :)  i can give you a good deal on the 255 and 355 models. :)

can you pm me cash prices sir?
Title: Re: Onkyo 606 vs Denon 1909 vs Harmon Kardon 354
Post by: blued888 on Feb 15, 2009 at 03:28 PM
Madami talaga problema yung 254 and 354 series ng HK sa USA.

Di ko trip yung interface ng HK, mas sanay ako sa Yamaha.
Title: Re: Onkyo 606 vs Denon 1909 vs Harmon Kardon 354
Post by: avshop on Feb 16, 2009 at 12:04 AM
can you pm me cash prices sir?

sent you pm :)
Title: Re: Onkyo 606 vs Denon 1909 vs Harmon Kardon 354
Post by: avshop on Feb 16, 2009 at 12:07 AM
Madami talaga problema yung 254 and 354 series ng HK sa USA.

Di ko trip yung interface ng HK, mas sanay ako sa Yamaha.

ya. the x54 series had a lot of bugs talaga.  so far though, the x55 series released here seem to be ok pa naman. :)  the interface of the new hk is actually quite easy to use. you should check out the gui of the hk 255 and 355. very nice and easy.  you should come by the shop again to check it out. :)
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: JT on Feb 17, 2009 at 11:41 AM
Guys, need your urgent opinion.

Has anyone able to compare Yamaha RX-V663 with Denon AVR-1909?  Regardless of the budget, which one is recommended?

Thanks.

Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Janusten on Feb 18, 2009 at 11:45 PM
Finally bit the bullet and just got a denon 2809 c/o the very good services of SGT home theater ..

But setup is still ongoing .. Recievers are getting very complicated and not plug and play any more...
i agree. same equip here
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: avshop on Feb 19, 2009 at 09:43 AM
Yamaha 663 or HK 254/255 ?

go for the hk 255. it's good for both movies and music. sent you pm :)
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: avshop on Feb 19, 2009 at 09:44 AM
Guys, need your urgent opinion.

Has anyone able to compare Yamaha RX-V663 with Denon AVR-1909?  Regardless of the budget, which one is recommended?

Thanks.



i think the audyssey feature of the denon 1909 is a plus. go for the denon. :) can give you good deals on denon and hk amps. :)
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: turbine on Apr 21, 2009 at 03:31 PM
Yamaha rx-v863 or Denon 2809?

Which is better receiver? I'm more on movies. 90% ht 10% audio.

I'm using Monitor Audio RS6 and RSlCR.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: streetsmart on Apr 21, 2009 at 04:22 PM
Yamaha rx-v863 or Denon 2809?

Which is better receiver? I'm more on movies. 90% ht 10% audio.

I'm using Monitor Audio RS6 and RSlCR.

For me -- definitely the Denon cuz of the Audyssey room correction feature. Makes a huge difference.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: avshop on Apr 26, 2009 at 10:32 PM
Yamaha rx-v863 or Denon 2809?

Which is better receiver? I'm more on movies. 90% ht 10% audio.

I'm using Monitor Audio RS6 and RSlCR.

go for the denon 2809. it's very good. i can give you a good deal on a brand new denon 2809 if you're interested. :)
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: turbine on Apr 27, 2009 at 03:03 PM
Streetsmart,

how about onkyo sr806 vs. denon avr-2809? they have the same audyssey. which is more better or compatible with MA?
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: streetsmart on Apr 27, 2009 at 04:12 PM
Streetsmart,

how about onkyo sr806 vs. denon avr-2809? they have the same audyssey. which is more better or compatible with MA?

The Denon 2809 has Audyssey MultEQ XT while the Onkyo 806 has Audyssey MultEQ. There is a big difference. The XT version has 8x greater resolution for the main speakers than the non-XT version. Denon 2809

If you ask me, I don't really think the main issue is compatibility with the speakers. I don't think you will find much difference between the 2 in that regard. I think that the Denon 2809 uses Burr Brown DACs while the 806 uses Cirrus Logic. Burr Brown is supposed to be better but I'm not sure you will hear that much of a difference.

With regard to video processing, both use Faroudja chips, which aren't great. If you want a really big improvement, you can go for the Onkyo 876 which uses HQV-Reon.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: kakashi on Apr 27, 2009 at 05:17 PM
hi guys!

Im a newbie when it comes to HT setups, and currently Im doing ok with a panny 465 with sony speakers on it. I was able to do a decent HT setup for my parents though, a Denon 1908/9, wharf diamond 9.6's for fronts, 9cs center, 9.1 surround back and surround speakers giving them an excellent 7.1 setup, and a us audio sub (though we need to change this since the diamond 9's easily out do the sub because of their unproportioned size, anyways my question is, im on a tight budget but im really really planning on upgrading my own setup (probably start with the receiver first) with this, do you think itll be ok to start off with a receiver and just use the speakers from the HTIB? or would that be a big no and it would be better to continue using the HTIB until I can buy all the speakers I need to finish my setup?  ???

thanks in advance!  ;D
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: skrizal on Apr 27, 2009 at 05:42 PM
I'm looking for an A/V receiver. Budget is 10k-25k. I've searched for the Yamaha RX-V465, is this available her in the Philippines? Is there's a similar receiver cheaper than this one? I'm open to any recommendations. FYI, noob in here. Have an HTIB and planning to throw it away and create HT for movies, PS3, xbox360 and HTPC(na 2.1 speakers lang).. Audio n lang kulang ko...

http://www.yamaha.com/yec/products/productdetail.html?CNTID=5027893&CTID=5000300

Thanks,
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: iiinas on Apr 27, 2009 at 06:40 PM
I'm looking for an A/V receiver. Budget is 10k-25k. I've searched for the Yamaha RX-V465, is this available her in the Philippines? Is there's a similar receiver cheaper than this one? I'm open to any recommendations. FYI, noob in here. Have an HTIB and planning to throw it away and create HT for movies, PS3, xbox360 and HTPC(na 2.1 speakers lang).. Audio n lang kulang ko...

http://www.yamaha.com/yec/products/productdetail.html?CNTID=5027893&CTID=5000300

Thanks,

http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php?topic=90173.0 (http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php?topic=90173.0)

better check this out. its a u.s. yamaha 663. hdmi with pre-outs (for future power amp upgrade) only for 22k, just buy an additional voltage regulator since its 110v, you have to buy one anyway even if you have a 220v avr.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: turbine on Apr 28, 2009 at 08:17 AM
The Denon 2809 has Audyssey MultEQ XT while the Onkyo 806 has Audyssey MultEQ. There is a big difference. The XT version has 8x greater resolution for the main speakers than the non-XT version. Denon 2809

If you ask me, I don't really think the main issue is compatibility with the speakers. I don't think you will find much difference between the 2 in that regard. I think that the Denon 2809 uses Burr Brown DACs while the 806 uses Cirrus Logic. Burr Brown is supposed to be better but I'm not sure you will hear that much of a difference.

With regard to video processing, both use Faroudja chips, which aren't great. If you want a really big improvement, you can go for the Onkyo 876 which uses HQV-Reon.

thank you for the you for the input on those receiver. i will check the onkyo 876 if my budget will allow me. hehe thank you again.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: turbine on May 02, 2009 at 04:55 PM
sir,

h/k vs. denon? which is better? 90% ht 10 audio.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: avshop on May 02, 2009 at 11:05 PM
sir,

h/k vs. denon? which is better? 90% ht 10 audio.

For me I'd go for the hk. The new hk 255 and 355 are awesome. :)



Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: anya618 on Jun 17, 2009 at 07:39 AM
which among the 3 ang ok na receiver?
yamaha 663, 665, or 765?
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: blued888 on Jun 17, 2009 at 07:51 AM
which among the 3 ang ok na receiver?
yamaha 663, 665, or 765?

Honestly I'd get the 663. Unless you need the additional HDMI outputs of the latter two models and you like the white/bluish-white display.

All of these receivers decode lossless audio format. What else exactly are you looking for on these receivers?

Power-wise, the equivalent of the 663 is the 765.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: anya618 on Jun 17, 2009 at 07:59 AM
Honestly I'd get the 663. Unless you need the additional HDMI outputs of the latter two models and you like the white/bluish-white display.

All of these receivers decode lossless audio format. What else exactly are you looking for on these receivers?

Power-wise, the equivalent of the 663 is the 765.

if konti lang price difference, would you get 765 over the 663?  :D
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: blued888 on Jun 17, 2009 at 08:42 AM
if konti lang price difference, would you get 765 over the 663?  :D

How konti is konti? ;D
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: anya618 on Jun 17, 2009 at 08:44 AM
How konti is konti? ;D

less say around 3k or less? ;D
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: blued888 on Jun 17, 2009 at 09:16 AM
less say around 3k or less? ;D

Kung ganun, I'd go for the 765 na rin. (Thought honestly, I hate the white/bluish-white display. I very much prefer amber)

Nagtaas ata yung 663 sa US kasi paubos na.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: ABCmotorparts on Jun 17, 2009 at 10:59 AM
(http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z247/ABCmotorparts/rxv663rear.jpg)

(http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z247/ABCmotorparts/rxv765bl_back_large.jpg)

Guys, what's the main difference between the 2 units? Aside from the fact that the 663 has plenty of S-video connections, which would you choose...?



Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: iiinas on Jun 17, 2009 at 11:04 AM
(http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z247/ABCmotorparts/rxv663rear.jpg)

(http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z247/ABCmotorparts/rxv765bl_back_large.jpg)

Guys, what's the main difference between the 2 units? Aside from the fact that the 663 has plenty of S-video connections, which would you choose...?





if all things are equal, i would get the unit with more hdmi input.  :)
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: blued888 on Jun 17, 2009 at 11:08 AM
Guys, what's the main difference between the 2 units? Aside from the fact that the 663 has plenty of S-video connections, which would you choose...?

Definitely go the 663 route if you need S-video connectivity. If you need more HDMI, opt for the 765 which has 4 HDMI inputs total compared to only 2 on the 663. The lacking HDMI inputs on the 663 can be remedied through the use of a HDMI switch.
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1. Power-wise, they're the same.
2. Aesthetically, I personally like the amber colored display of the 663 better than the new generation Yamaha's.
3. Zone 2 for the 765 uses spring-loaded terminals and not full-sized like the 663 which can take banana plugs.
4. 765 has HDMI pass-through and upscaling to 1080p, 663 doesn't have HDMI pass-through but has upscaling (though not specified to what resolution).
5. 765 does not have component video upconversion, 663 has it (Not sure if it's just a typo on Yamaha's part).
6. 663 has A, B, A+B speaker option configuration.

I have the 663 so I'm not dreaming for the 765. LOL ;D
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: ABCmotorparts on Jun 17, 2009 at 11:28 AM
Thanks for the response guys,

Anya and I are torn between these 2 units, and we are having trouble deciding...
the mere difference is less than P3000 only...

Kaya medyo nahihirapan ako magdecide...

I NEVER use the HDMI/S-video connection naman ng mga receiver, I plug it directly sa TV, so that won't be the deciding factor, pero siyempre iba ang may extrang input...

the only thing that is really holding me back is that the design layout ng 663 ay mas malinis compared sa 765, mas naka-ayos ang mga terminals lahat...

would appreciate more of your comments sirs...

thank you...
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: blued888 on Jun 17, 2009 at 12:28 PM
I NEVER use the HDMI/S-video connection naman ng mga receiver, I plug it directly sa TV, so that won't be the deciding factor, pero siyempre iba ang may extrang input...

Seeing that you have a Panasonic Blu-ray player, you'd have to utilize the HDMI connection in order to be able to output lossless audio tracks.

Hindi pwede ang lossless (DD TrueHD, DTS-HD MA) via optical or digital coaxial. Pwede lang through analog outputs (pero madaming RCA yun) or HDMI.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: okidokjim on Jun 17, 2009 at 12:34 PM
between yamaha 663 and onkyo 705 alin ang mas ok? tnx
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: ABCmotorparts on Jun 17, 2009 at 12:35 PM
Seeing that you have a Panasonic Blu-ray player, you'd have to utilize the HDMI connection in order to be able to output lossless audio tracks.

Hindi pwede ang lossless (DD TrueHD, DTS-HD MA) via optical or digital coaxial. Pwede lang through analog outputs (pero madaming RCA yun) or HDMI.

I understand,...

So the 765 would be a better choice then...?

ABC
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: blued888 on Jun 17, 2009 at 12:45 PM
between yamaha 663 and onkyo 705 alin ang mas ok? tnx

Supposedly, the 705 is a notch above the 663. Onkyo equivalent of the 663 is the 606. Comparing the specifications sheet side-by-side would be a good place to start.

Don't be overwhelmed by the power rating difference between the two, because if you really need more power, you should look into getting an external power amplifier instead of doing a minor receiver upgrade.

I understand,...

So the 765 would be a better choice then...?

ABC

Weigh out mo muna siguro yung minor differences, which I mentioned above, between the two before deciding which to get. Medyo mahirap talaga mag-decide kasi sobrang minor ng differences between the specifications and the price. ;D Ayaw ko magbigay ng definite sagot dahil baka ako pa ang masisi. LOL ;D

I use a 663 pero ang nakaconnect lang kasi dun is 1 optical cable and the speakers.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: ABCmotorparts on Jun 17, 2009 at 12:51 PM
Supposedly, the 705 is a notch above the 663. Onkyo equivalent of the 663 is the 606. Comparing the specifications sheet side-by-side would be a good place to start.

Don't be overwhelmed by the power rating difference between the two, because if you really need more power, you should look into getting an external power amplifier instead of doing a minor receiver upgrade.

Weigh out mo muna siguro yung minor differences, which I mentioned above, between the two before deciding which to get. Medyo mahirap talaga mag-decide kasi sobrang minor ng differences between the specifications and the price. ;D Ayaw ko magbigay ng definite sagot dahil baka ako pa ang masisi. LOL ;D

I use a 663 pero ang nakaconnect lang kasi dun is 1 optical cable and the speakers.

HAHAHAHA

hindi naman, wala namang sisihan yan...

actually, the new receiver that I'd be choosing would be partnered to my also aging Denon AVD2000 Dolby Digital Decoder, so magiging parang pre-amplifier lang ang receiver, all my DVD players are plugged in the decoder, except of course that the Bluray would be directly plugged in the receiver.

anyhow, its really so hard to decide now, ang liit ng difference ng 2 unit, but the only thing that is holding me back is that the 663 is one of the best performer out in the market.

i do appreciate your comments sir, THANK YOU...

Benedict
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: okidokjim on Jun 17, 2009 at 12:57 PM
thank you sir blued888
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: silie on Jun 17, 2009 at 01:26 PM
new here in pdvd.. i have the wdtv.. and was wondering what receiver is the best? already have the sony ht 5.1.. please advise whats good.. thanks
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: blued888 on Jun 17, 2009 at 01:37 PM
new here in pdvd.. i have the wdtv.. and was wondering what receiver is the best? already have the sony ht 5.1.. please advise whats good.. thanks

Why do you need a new receiver? The Sony one doesn't work with it?
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: silie on Jun 17, 2009 at 01:50 PM
nope.. sony htib po.. no coaxial or optical... old na kasi
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: blued888 on Jun 17, 2009 at 02:01 PM
nope.. sony htib po.. no coaxial or optical... old na kasi

You simply need a receiver with optical input, because the WD TV has an optical output.

As for the speakers, I'm not sure whether you'll be able to use the Sony ones with a new receiver. Do the speakers use proprietary connectors?
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: silie on Jun 17, 2009 at 02:23 PM
yes i think so..
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: blued888 on Jun 17, 2009 at 03:07 PM
yes i think so..

So you're in the market for both a receiver and speakers? Basic Yamaha is RX-V363 which is less than 20k or you can browse the marketplace for deals on used receivers and speakers.
Title: theoretical question on AVR's: Denon 2309 or Onkyo 706
Post by: mike c on Jun 23, 2009 at 03:59 PM
which would be better?
which would you pick?

is the blue thing around the Onkyo volume knob a blue light or a blue ring?

does the onkyo have OSD through HDMI?
does the onkyo have a volume display overlaid on your display through HDMI?
Title: Re: theoretical question on AVR's: Denon 2309 or Onkyo 706
Post by: iiinas on Jun 23, 2009 at 04:23 PM
tough question.

denon are usually more expensive. and in terms of general sonic signature. onkyos are known to be good for movies while denon's are good for both movies and music. both has audyssey. i own an onkyo, but if money is not an issue, i would get a denon.

the blue thingy on the onkyo knob is a blue light. but cant be turned off.
Title: Re: theoretical question on AVR's: Denon 2309 or Onkyo 706
Post by: mike c on Jun 23, 2009 at 04:27 PM
similar price kasi sila locally.

i have a 2307 which only has 2 HDMI inputs and it just so happens i need a tertiary setup, so i was thinking of demoting my 2307.  (kasalanan to ng NMT)

i like the blue light thing :)

ang ayaw ko sa denon is the remote.  to switch to AUX input via remote, kailangan pa i-flip yung remote sa back panel.  pero i've had good luck with Denon.  i also own two 3808's.
Title: Re: theoretical question on AVR's: Denon 2309 or Onkyo 706
Post by: sphanuel on Jun 23, 2009 at 05:29 PM
does the onkyo have OSD through HDMI? Yes  

does the onkyo have a volume display overlaid on your display through HDMI? Yes
Title: Re: theoretical question on AVR's: Denon 2309 or Onkyo 706
Post by: mike c on Jun 23, 2009 at 07:04 PM
thanks for the additional info sir sphanuel
Title: Re: theoretical question on AVR's: Denon 2309 or Onkyo 706
Post by: iiinas on Jun 23, 2009 at 07:24 PM
similar price kasi sila locally.

i have a 2307 which only has 2 HDMI inputs and it just so happens i need a tertiary setup, so i was thinking of demoting my 2307.  (kasalanan to ng NMT)

i like the blue light thing :)

ang ayaw ko sa denon is the remote.  to switch to AUX input via remote, kailangan pa i-flip yung remote sa back panel.  pero i've had good luck with Denon.  i also own two 3808's.

walang hiya sir mike. may dual 3808 ka na pala. then going for your first onkyo might be the way to go. para you will have insight into both brands.  ;)

in all honesty, wala namang tapon both brands. although onkyo has always been known for its bang for the buck products (putting a lot of features for lesser dollars / pesos).  :D
Title: Re: theoretical question on AVR's: Denon 2309 or Onkyo 706
Post by: dyerds on Jun 23, 2009 at 08:20 PM
OT

ang ayaw ko sa denon is the remote.  to switch to AUX input via remote, kailangan pa i-flip yung remote sa back panel.  pero i've had good luck with Denon.  i also own two 3808's.

Kaya nga manually ko 'to ginagawa sa reciever ko kasi naka-plastic pa rin ang remote ko hanggang ngayon. Medyo oc kasi.  ;D

Sir how much po ba ang 2309 at 706 dito sa'tin?

TIA
Title: Re: theoretical question on AVR's: Denon 2309 or Onkyo 706
Post by: mike c on Jun 23, 2009 at 08:37 PM
walang hiya sir mike. may dual 3808 ka na pala. then going for your first onkyo might be the way to go. para you will have insight into both brands.  ;)

in all honesty, wala namang tapon both brands. although onkyo has always been known for its bang for the buck products (putting a lot of features for lesser dollars / pesos).  :D

oo nga e, two things are pushing me towards onkyo: remote control and trying something new.

my first receiver was a yamaha 640 then an HK 335 then a Denon 2307, tapos dalawang 3808

Title: Re: theoretical question on AVR's: Denon 2309 or Onkyo 706
Post by: mike c on Jun 23, 2009 at 08:38 PM
OT

Kaya nga manually ko 'to ginagawa sa reciever ko kasi naka-plastic pa rin ang remote ko hanggang ngayon. Medyo oc kasi.  ;D

Sir how much po ba ang 2309 at 706 dito sa'tin?

TIA

SRP ng 2309 47k tapos 706 46k
Title: Re: theoretical question on AVR's: Denon 2309 or Onkyo 706
Post by: iiinas on Jun 23, 2009 at 08:53 PM
SRP ng 2309 47k tapos 706 46k

pero si sir nemesis is selling the 2808 for 35k ngayon ah. i know its an older model, but its higher end. just like the 705 that was sold at the marketplace, 24k lang!!! there are still some stocks coming this july for the 705 i think.  ;D
Title: Re: theoretical question on AVR's: Denon 2309 or Onkyo 706
Post by: mike c on Jun 23, 2009 at 08:59 PM
pero si sir nemesis is selling the 2808 for 35k ngayon ah. i know its an older model, but its higher end. just like the 705 that was sold at the marketplace, 24k lang!!! there are still some stocks coming this july for the 705 i think.  ;D

220v ba sir?
Title: Re: theoretical question on AVR's: Denon 2309 or Onkyo 706
Post by: iiinas on Jun 24, 2009 at 07:54 AM
220v ba sir?

yup.

here are the links.

http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php?topic=60748.5340 (http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php?topic=60748.5340)
2808

http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php?topic=97331.0 (http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php?topic=97331.0)
705
Title: Re: theoretical question on AVR's: Denon 2309 or Onkyo 706
Post by: mike c on Jun 24, 2009 at 08:11 AM
yup.

here are the links.

http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php?topic=60748.5340 (http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php?topic=60748.5340)
2808

http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php?topic=97331.0 (http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php?topic=97331.0)
705

thanks sir iiinas.  will call theaterworks to see what's available.  :)
Title: Re: theoretical question on AVR's: Denon 2309 or Onkyo 706
Post by: iiinas on Jun 24, 2009 at 09:56 AM
thanks sir iiinas.  will call theaterworks to see what's available.  :)

no problem, goodluck!  ;D
Title: Re: theoretical question on AVR's: Denon 2309 or Onkyo 706
Post by: CMac on Jun 24, 2009 at 04:27 PM
yung perception na one brand is better for movies and the other for both music and movies mas nakikita ko lang dito sa pdvd. i'd go for power and i would go for the onkyo. 110v nga lang ito pero makakatawad ka pa ata. ;D swak pa sa budget.


http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php?topic=97591.0 (http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php?topic=97591.0)
Title: Re: theoretical question on AVR's: Denon 2309 or Onkyo 706
Post by: ǝʞɐɾ ʎzzɐɾ on Jun 24, 2009 at 04:30 PM
similar price kasi sila locally.

i have a 2307 which only has 2 HDMI inputs and it just so happens i need a tertiary setup, so i was thinking of demoting my 2307.  (kasalanan to ng NMT)

i like the blue light thing :)

ang ayaw ko sa denon is the remote.  to switch to AUX input via remote, kailangan pa i-flip yung remote sa back panel.  pero i've had good luck with Denon.  i also own two 3808's.

brader mike!  harmony lang ang sagot diyan!  its da ONE!
Title: Re: theoretical question on AVR's: Denon 2309 or Onkyo 706
Post by: mike c on Jun 24, 2009 at 04:34 PM
brader mike!  harmony lang ang sagot diyan!  its da ONE!

meron ako harmony 890 i bought 2 years ago, pero di ko ginagamit :)  i always reach for the original remotes kasi (i end up holding 2-3 remotes at a time) medyo stupid  :P

Title: Re: theoretical question on AVR's: Denon 2309 or Onkyo 706
Post by: mike c on Jun 24, 2009 at 04:38 PM
yung perception na one brand is better for movies and the other for both music and movies mas nakikita ko lang dito sa pdvd. i'd go for power and i would go for the onkyo. 110v nga lang ito pero makakatawad ka pa ata. ;D swak pa sa budget.


http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php?topic=97591.0 (http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php?topic=97591.0)

i also don't agree with a certain sound to each receiver (i've tried yamaha, HK's and denon's) but to each his own really.  i choose by features and looks :)

ok nga price niyan 805, kaya lang 110v e.  i can easily get 110v units sa US kaya lang i really do prefer 220v (nung bata kasi ako nakatosta na ako ng tv)
Title: Re: theoretical question on AVR's: Denon 2309 or Onkyo 706
Post by: mike c on Jun 24, 2009 at 04:39 PM
pamana mo na lang sa akin...  ;D

haha  ;D
Title: Re: theoretical question on AVR's: Denon 2309 or Onkyo 706
Post by: CMac on Jun 24, 2009 at 05:00 PM
i also don't agree with a certain sound to each receiver (i've tried yamaha, HK's and denon's) but to each his own really.  i choose by features and looks :)

While on the topic, a great read from AVSforum for others to view.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1152773 (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1152773)

Quote
ok nga price niyan 805, kaya lang 110v e.  i can easily get 110v units sa US kaya lang i really do prefer 220v (nung bata kasi ako nakatosta na ako ng tv)

lols, iba nga naman yung lingering phobia from childhood. goodluck on the hunt!

Title: Re: theoretical question on AVR's: Denon 2309 or Onkyo 706
Post by: mike c on Jun 24, 2009 at 10:19 PM
ano kaya resale value ng denon avr2307?  (silver, 220v, official from denon philippines)

how much would you guys sell such a unit?
[i won't be selling it here sa pdvd]
Title: Re: theoretical question on AVR's: Denon 2309 or Onkyo 706
Post by: mike c on Jun 25, 2009 at 08:52 AM
question po ulit:

yung 12v trigger ng Onkyo, nakasulat for zone 2.  puwede ba yun mag trigger ng amp sa (main) zone 1?

sino po may personal experience ... thanks in advance
Title: Re: theoretical question on AVR's: Denon 2309 or Onkyo 706
Post by: 5Speed on Jun 26, 2009 at 04:51 PM
presently I have an 876....my first Onkyo AVR..

I've been a Denon user for almost 10 years na yata...and lahat nung mga Denon ko ever since eh gumagana pa hanggang ngayon.

Personally I find my Denon's more reliable than what I have right now... I still have two Denons on my other setups..


I've tried Pioneer and Kenwood as well during the 80s on my Stereo set-up....

Title: Re: theoretical question on AVR's: Denon 2309 or Onkyo 706
Post by: mike c on Jun 26, 2009 at 05:08 PM
in the end, the unknown of the onkyo 12v trigger made me get the 2309 :)
Title: Re: theoretical question on AVR's: Denon 2309 or Onkyo 706
Post by: sphanuel on Jun 26, 2009 at 11:17 PM
question po ulit:

yung 12v trigger ng Onkyo, nakasulat for zone 2.  puwede ba yun mag trigger ng amp sa (main) zone 1?

sino po may personal experience ... thanks in advance

hahaha late reply.

pwede zone 2 12v trigger for external amp. using main-outs(zone1) as source. You want to use external amp and want to control external amp via 12v triger tama ba?

P.S. sphanuel na lang po sir mike.
 



Title: Re: theoretical question on AVR's: Denon 2309 or Onkyo 706
Post by: mike c on Jun 27, 2009 at 06:04 AM
hahaha late reply.

pwede zone 2 12v trigger for external amp. using main-outs(zone1) as source. You want to use external amp and want to control external amp via 12v triger tama ba?  YES

P.S. sphanuel na lang po sir mike.
 

mike na rin lang brother sphanuel :D

so bali without pushing the zone 2 button on the remote, pag-on ng receiver, on na rin ang external amp connected to the 12v trigger?
Title: Re: theoretical question on AVR's: Denon 2309 or Onkyo 706
Post by: iiinas on Jun 27, 2009 at 06:11 AM
denon din pala binagakan mo sir mike. hehe. excellent choice nonetheless. congrats!!!
Title: Re: theoretical question on AVR's: Denon 2309 or Onkyo 706
Post by: mike c on Jun 27, 2009 at 06:34 AM
denon din pala binagakan mo sir mike. hehe. excellent choice nonetheless. congrats!!!

na excited e :)
Title: Re: theoretical question on AVR's: Denon 2309 or Onkyo 706
Post by: piggyback on Jun 28, 2009 at 12:06 PM
i'm also looking for a detailed comparison with both receivers.. have you auditioned both receivers? how are they in terms of performance?
Title: Re: theoretical question on AVR's: Denon 2309 or Onkyo 706
Post by: mike c on Jun 28, 2009 at 06:00 PM
i'm also looking for a detailed comparison with both receivers.. have you auditioned both receivers? how are they in terms of performance?

buy receivers based on the features you like and in terms of power you need.  there really is no such thing as a receiver sounding nicer than another receiver with similar power capabilities OR after EQ.  (like mentioned above)

the onkyo is slightly cheaper, but as i was not sure about the 12v trigger, i went with the denon.
(i've had/have the ff receivers:  yamaha rx-v640, HK AVR335, HK 3480, Denon 2307, Denon 3808 x 2 and then this Denon 2309)

for one thing, the 2309 is made in japan.  my 2307 was made in china :)  BUT my 2307 has a solid metal face and knobs.  the 2309 has plasticy things.  there's no free lunch, but then again, i don't really touch my receiver everyday.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: tein on Jun 29, 2009 at 09:44 PM
Hi guys im new here in pdvd aswell and been lurking for 2 days straight just pure reading kasi totally noob ako sa receivers, matagal na ako sa htpc but bumigay ang logitech z5500 ko and sad to say na wala na warranty plus wala nag rerepair, so nakita ko tong thread and will be switching to the real thing na, actually im eyeing for the yamaha 663 din kasi nabasa ko ok, hindi ko din sana need medyo madaming hdmi plug since asa HTPC na lahat ng kelangan, basically ang need ko is a descent receiver with coax/optical. any other brands na prefer nyo guys besides 663? para maka pili.. tia guys
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: iiinas on Jun 29, 2009 at 09:52 PM
Hi guys im new here in pdvd aswell and been lurking for 2 days straight just pure reading kasi totally noob ako sa receivers, matagal na ako sa htpc but bumigay ang logitech z5500 ko and sad to say na wala na warranty plus wala nag rerepair, so nakita ko tong thread and will be switching to the real thing na, actually im eyeing for the yamaha 663 din kasi nabasa ko ok, hindi ko din sana need medyo madaming hdmi plug since asa HTPC na lahat ng kelangan, basically ang need ko is a descent receiver with coax/optical. any other brands na prefer nyo guys besides 663? para maka pili.. tia guys

you can look at onkyos too, the new models are the 507 and the 607, for the entry levels. but there is one 605 selling at the marketplace for just 17k, very good buy, it can already decode hd audio.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: tein on Jun 29, 2009 at 10:57 PM
hi thanks sir iiinas, does onkyos have service centers here? ayaw ko na kasi bumili ng things na mahirap repair like yun logitech z5500 ko nasayang lang kasi.. and if ever id get those onkyos, can you recommend me some speaker combinations for them? i have an old school polk audio psw100 subwoofer i dont know kung compatible sya dyan sa new receivers? ty
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: blued888 on Jun 30, 2009 at 12:32 PM
hi thanks sir iiinas, does onkyos have service centers here? ayaw ko na kasi bumili ng things na mahirap repair like yun logitech z5500 ko nasayang lang kasi.. and if ever id get those onkyos, can you recommend me some speaker combinations for them? i have an old school polk audio psw100 subwoofer i dont know kung compatible sya dyan sa new receivers? ty

Meron Onkyo service centers dito. I'm not sure if there's one at West Ave., QC.

Yung connection ng Polk subwoofer mo malamang single RCA connection yan which is pretty much standard for all receivers. You would connect it to the receiver's subwoofer pre-out.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: tein on Jun 30, 2009 at 03:01 PM
bali meron yun red and white na saksakan sya sa likod, so pwede pa pala to pag chagaan habang receiver muna ang uunahin ko bilihin.. thanks guys..
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: blued888 on Jun 30, 2009 at 03:27 PM
bali meron yun red and white na saksakan sya sa likod, so pwede pa pala to pag chagaan habang receiver muna ang uunahin ko bilihin.. thanks guys..

PSW100 ba sinasabi mo or PSW10? Wala ako makitang PSW100 sa net.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: tein on Jun 30, 2009 at 03:44 PM
PSW100 sir, try ko link sya with pics sir luma na kasi hehe
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: tein on Jun 30, 2009 at 03:52 PM
@blued8888
(http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l258/Pure_1600/BTlp4Zw2kKGrHgoOKioEjlLme88sBKJSK1i.jpg)

ito pic nun sa likod nun sub, hopefully kung pwede ko to gamitin sa new receivers eh pag chchagaan ko na muna habang dahan dahan mag palit ng speakers
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: synchro_01 on Jun 30, 2009 at 04:01 PM

(http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l258/Pure_1600/BTlp4Zw2kKGrHgoOKioEjlLme88sBKJSK1i.jpg)

ito pic nun sa likod nun sub, hopefully kung pwede ko to gamitin sa new receivers eh pag chchagaan ko na muna habang dahan dahan mag palit ng speakers

Had that sub before back in the late 90's. Surpringly it was a bandpass design that sounded very musical. Synergy  with my B&W302's in a stereo set up was great.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: iiinas on Jun 30, 2009 at 04:06 PM
@blued8888
(http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l258/Pure_1600/BTlp4Zw2kKGrHgoOKioEjlLme88sBKJSK1i.jpg)

ito pic nun sa likod nun sub, hopefully kung pwede ko to gamitin sa new receivers eh pag chchagaan ko na muna habang dahan dahan mag palit ng speakers

pwede yan sir tein. just connect a rca/coax cable from the subs left (white ata) to your receiver's sub pre-out and your good to go!  ;D
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: tein on Jun 30, 2009 at 04:07 PM
So you think this will still be ok sir? will be used mostly in gaming through pc since naka htpc ako, hd and bluray movies din thorugh pc and ofcourse music.. and sa receivers mostly nababasa ko some are good in music, some in movies, but how about little gaming hehe medyo hirap mag hanap ng feedback
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: tein on Jun 30, 2009 at 04:08 PM
thanks iinas hehe, will be retaining this sub muna for awhile habang pumipili pa ako ng receivers..
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: iiinas on Jun 30, 2009 at 06:23 PM
So you think this will still be ok sir? will be used mostly in gaming through pc since naka htpc ako, hd and bluray movies din thorugh pc and ofcourse music.. and sa receivers mostly nababasa ko some are good in music, some in movies, but how about little gaming hehe medyo hirap mag hanap ng feedback

if you are heavily into gaming, i think a receiver that is good for movies will be good enough for games too. but in general, based on what i have read and personally heard. onkyos are good for movies (thus i guess will be good for games too.), harman kardon is really very good for music, denons and yamahas are generally considered good for both movies and music, specially when paired with speakers that matches with it.

good luck.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: tein on Jul 01, 2009 at 12:44 AM
thats a big help sir iiinas, thanks for some tips! will be trying to audtion some combinations hopefully this week in malls.. cheers!  ;)
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: tein on Jul 01, 2009 at 12:44 PM
guys what do you recommend between this receivers?

Onkyo
TX-sr607
TX-sr606

Yamaha
Rx-v563
Rx-V665
Rx-v565
Title: Re: theoretical question on AVR's: Denon 2309 or Onkyo 706
Post by: sphanuel on Jul 06, 2009 at 09:19 AM
so bali without pushing the zone 2 button on the remote, pag-on ng receiver, on na rin ang external amp connected to the 12v trigger?

As per my experience you have to push zone 2 then turn it on. Gusto ko sana one button to push din para my wife doesn't complain dami daw pinipindot.  :D
Title: Onkyo or Denon
Post by: lmerb on Jul 06, 2009 at 09:50 PM
Mga pips,
Need your inputs.. Which is which? Denon 1509, 1610 or Onkyo 507?

60% movies and 40% music.
Title: Re: Onkyo or Denon
Post by: iiinas on Jul 06, 2009 at 09:53 PM
Mga pips,
Need your inputs.. Which is which? Denon 1509, 1610 or Onkyo 507?

60% movies and 40% music.


imho, i'd get the denon.  ;D
Title: Re: Onkyo or Denon
Post by: CaLvs on Jul 07, 2009 at 07:09 AM
pahingi din po sana ng inputs nyo.  ;D between Harman kardon 245, Onkyo 606 or 607 alin po kaya pipiliin nyo? :) salamat po.
Title: Re: Onkyo or Denon
Post by: praktikal on Jul 07, 2009 at 04:52 PM
ewan ko kung isyu sa inyo ang init, pero may kaibigan akong first time nagka onkyo - ayaw n'ya. lakas daw uminit although normal pero sa ganung malakas uminit, para sa akin dapat may alalay na fan para tumagal ang internal parts pati na ang hinang. sanay s'ya sa yamaha kaya hinahanap n'ya characteristics nito sa onkyo. ayaw na daw nya umulit ng onkyo.

ayokong siraan ang anumang brand kase kada isa naman ay may kanya-kanyang lakas at kahinaan at ganun din sa owners, kanya-kanyang type.

look at the specs/features/price. kung malaking room doon ka na sa mataas RMS para di bitin. halos lahat naman ng bagong AVRs ngayon ay loaded na sa features e.

best is to audition talaga hangga't maaari. at syempre pa kada AVR ay may binabagayang speakers kaya mahirap na basta na lang sumunod sa mga payo ng iba. magkakaiba tayo ng pandinig at/o taste.
hth  ;)
Title: Re: Onkyo or Denon
Post by: CaLvs on Jul 07, 2009 at 10:24 PM
ewan ko kung isyu sa inyo ang init, pero may kaibigan akong first time nagka onkyo - ayaw n'ya. lakas daw uminit although normal pero sa ganung malakas uminit, para sa akin dapat may alalay na fan para tumagal ang internal parts pati na ang hinang. sanay s'ya sa yamaha kaya hinahanap n'ya characteristics nito sa onkyo. ayaw na daw nya umulit ng onkyo.

ayokong siraan ang anumang brand kase kada isa naman ay may kanya-kanyang lakas at kahinaan at ganun din sa owners, kanya-kanyang type.

look at the specs/features/price. kung malaking room doon ka na sa mataas RMS para di bitin. halos lahat naman ng bagong AVRs ngayon ay loaded na sa features e.

best is to audition talaga hangga't maaari. at syempre pa kada AVR ay may binabagayang speakers kaya mahirap na basta na lang sumunod sa mga payo ng iba. magkakaiba tayo ng pandinig at/o taste.
hth  ;)

thanks po for this input boss.
Title: Re: Onkyo or Denon
Post by: stickfighter on Jul 07, 2009 at 10:39 PM
imho, i'd get the denon.  ;D

Agree +100  ;D

I have the 1509 and it is really a good buy for me. SQ is way better than my old AVR (Yamaha) and the Audessey makes calibration easy to accomplish.

Highly recommeneded AVR. ;)
Title: Re: Onkyo or Denon
Post by: CaLvs on Jul 08, 2009 at 07:37 AM
mas affordable po ba mga boss ang denon compare to onkyo or harman/kardon?
Title: Re: Onkyo or Denon
Post by: iiinas on Jul 08, 2009 at 07:59 AM
mas affordable po ba mga boss ang denon compare to onkyo or harman/kardon?

i think for pricing.

onkyo would be the most affordable, harman and denon are pretty closely priced.  ;D
Title: Re: Onkyo or Denon
Post by: CaLvs on Jul 08, 2009 at 09:24 AM
oh i see. How about pairing a polk audio po and klipsch speakers sa Denon? okay po kaya boss?
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: soundwave on Jul 11, 2009 at 09:36 AM
guys, could you help me which receiver is better? pioneer vsx1019 and onkyo 607? Thanks!
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: blued888 on Jul 13, 2009 at 03:30 PM
guys what do you recommend between this receivers?

Onkyo
TX-sr607
TX-sr606

Yamaha
Rx-v563
Rx-V665
Rx-v565

Get the Yamaha RX-V665 if you want to be a bit future-proofed since it has pre-outs. All the others don't. Stay away from the RX-V563 if you need lossless audio decoding.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: blued888 on Jul 13, 2009 at 03:33 PM
guys, could you help me which receiver is better? pioneer vsx1019 and onkyo 607? Thanks!

I don't think you can go wrong with either.
Title: Re: Onkyo or Denon
Post by: lakambini on Jul 15, 2009 at 05:27 PM
60% ht - onkyo

40% audio - denon
Title: Re: Onkyo or Denon
Post by: Huddaf on Jul 16, 2009 at 06:22 AM
If you can afford it go for Denon. If not go for Onkyo. Go for the mid-level model and not the entry level. The best, audition both. If money is not the problem, buy both  ;D ;D ;D

I used to own Yamaha, Pioneer and currently Onkyo. but i've always wanted a Denon. Unfortunately, the features i am looking for is only present on mid to high level Denon which is very pricey. However, with the same features that i wanted, i was able to get it from Onkyo, with a big difference in price (at least for me).

But there are others out there like Harman or better yet scour the Marketplace.  ;)
Title: Re: Onkyo or Denon
Post by: ment on Jul 16, 2009 at 06:54 AM
now that it was pointed out...... mas mainit nga yung onkyo 525 ng kuya ko (circa 1996 pa ata) versus yung Yamaha rxv430 ko ngayun .......

is it because mas madaming solid state component ang onkyo vs yamaha na puros IC na?  ???
Title: Re: Onkyo or Denon
Post by: iiinas on Jul 16, 2009 at 09:32 AM
If you can afford it go for Denon. If not go for Onkyo. Go for the mid-level model and not the entry level. The best, audition both. If money is not the problem, buy both  ;D ;D ;D

I used to own Yamaha, Pioneer and currently Onkyo. but i've always wanted a Denon. Unfortunately, the features i am looking for is only present on mid to high level Denon which is very pricey. However, with the same features that i wanted, i was able to get it from Onkyo, with a big difference in price (at least for me).

But there are others out there like Harman or better yet scour the Marketplace.  ;)

exactly sir huddaf! kaya tayo onkyo boys because of this. onkyo usually can pack all the nice feature set in a nice price friendly package, so it is the most cost efficient of all the receivers imho. but if you go with their 7 series up, you can not go wrong naman, specially if its for ht.  ;D
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: vx2 on Jul 16, 2009 at 12:16 PM
guys, could you help me which receiver is better? pioneer vsx1019 and onkyo 607? Thanks!

This will help  :)
http://www.soundadviceblog.com/?page_id=1120

Quote
My overall preference is for the Pioneer, mostly for its MCACC system but I love its high-end look, too...
...It really is that good, and at the price, a game changer.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: tein on Jul 20, 2009 at 02:36 PM
Get the Yamaha RX-V665 if you want to be a bit future-proofed since it has pre-outs. All the others don't. Stay away from the RX-V563 if you need lossless audio decoding.


thanks sir blued! will be starting my HT project this august  ;)
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: soundwave on Jul 28, 2009 at 11:01 AM
I don't think you can go wrong with either.

This will help  :)
http://www.soundadviceblog.com/?page_id=1120


Thanks for the help and advises.

I'm leaning towards the 1019 receiver, may main problem now is where to get it locally.  :-[


Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: rockster on Jul 29, 2009 at 02:27 PM
gurus, any thoughts on the onkyo 607 vs denon 1910?  had been delaying getting an AVR until now...
Title: Marantz SR7001 or SR5003?
Post by: ditoy_eagle on Jul 30, 2009 at 11:55 AM
I can get a brand new SR7001 higher-end model released 2006 for P35000 locally, or the more current mid-level SR5003 from the US and shipped here also comes out more or less P35000.

I am more concerned with sound quality, not so much into 7.1 as the basic 5.1 speaker setup is what I am accustomed to.  I listen to music-movies 50-50% so 2-channel mode is also crucial.  HDMI 1.2 vs HDMI 1.3 and upscaling capabilities also not that important to me. Although I am assuming the resale value of the newer model 5003 is better than the older 7001 since it has newer technologies.

I will appreciate any input from anybody who has experience with Marantz AV receivers.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: leonzki on Aug 01, 2009 at 06:33 PM
What about NAD T770, any comment guys?
Thanks! Newbie here in forum.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: iiinas on Aug 02, 2009 at 11:17 AM
What about NAD T770, any comment guys?
Thanks! Newbie here in forum.

not a lot of people use nad here as an av receiver. nad is more recognizable as an audio amp than for ht here in pdvd. hence your questions aren't getting the usual response as questions regarding jap receivers. my advice is to search the internet for foreign reviews. goodluck.  :)
Title: HK AVR255 or Onkyo TX-SR607???
Post by: reastern on Aug 03, 2009 at 09:43 PM
HI, i want to get the opinion of others regarding the 2 receivers that I am considering.. Im not yet set on either one so I want to hear others opinions..

Im choosing between the HK AVR255 and the Onkyo TX-SR607..

Not sure which is a better choice for me.. I plan to use it mostly for movies..

Thanks :)
Title: Re: HK AVR255 or Onkyo TX-SR607???
Post by: blued888 on Aug 03, 2009 at 11:23 PM
Both would do a pretty good job.

The Onkyo has the advantage of Dolby ProLogic IIz (http://www.eclecticelectronics.net/ht-home-theater/onkyo-tx-sr607-to-feature-dolby-prologic-iiz-for-vertical-effects/) while the HK AVR 255 has the advantage of having pre-outs (just in case you'd need to add an external amplifier).
Title: Re: HK AVR255 or Onkyo TX-SR607???
Post by: bono vox on Aug 04, 2009 at 10:23 AM
I'm choosing between the HK AVR255 and the Onkyo TX-SR607..

Not sure which is a better choice for me.. I plan to use it mostly for movies..

for movies... onkyo!  ;D
Title: Re: HK AVR255 or Onkyo TX-SR607???
Post by: defjam on Aug 04, 2009 at 04:08 PM
how much do 607s go for these days?
Title: Re: HK AVR255 or Onkyo TX-SR607???
Post by: noel_e on Aug 04, 2009 at 07:01 PM
how much do 607s go for these days?

In SnS the price quote is:

TXSR607 12 months P34K. Cash P28900.
TXSR507 12 months P24K. Cash P20400.
Title: Re: HK AVR255 or Onkyo TX-SR607???
Post by: entrylevel on Aug 04, 2009 at 07:56 PM
I was in the same dilemma. I ended up getting an Hk 255. Im a 50/50 HT and Audio user. The HK performs very well in both esp. in audio. Im very happy with my purchase.   :D :)
Title: Re: HK AVR255 or Onkyo TX-SR607???
Post by: reastern on Aug 04, 2009 at 09:45 PM
I was in the same dilemma. I ended up getting an Hk 255. Im a 50/50 HT and Audio user. The HK performs very well in both esp. in audio. Im very happy with my purchase.   :D :)

Im really interested to know more about how well the HK255 is with movies... Im planning to use the avr more for movies than for music..

So i want to know which AVR is better for movies.. thanks...
Title: Re: HK AVR255 or Onkyo TX-SR607???
Post by: CaLvs on Aug 05, 2009 at 08:32 AM
Whoa same dilemma here. how much do h/k 255 cost mga sir? ang ganda kasi ng design ng h/k but I'm worried since madame ako nababasa na ang h/k is good for audio listening. I'm gonna use it more on movies kasi. alin kaya ang mas okay. :D hehe.
Title: Re: HK AVR255 or Onkyo TX-SR607???
Post by: dips15 on Aug 05, 2009 at 08:51 AM
Whoa same dilemma here. how much do h/k 255 cost mga sir? ang ganda kasi ng design ng h/k but I'm worried since madame ako nababasa na ang h/k is good for audio listening. I'm gonna use it more on movies kasi. alin kaya ang mas okay. :D hehe.

A lot of people are saying that in general Onkyo is better for movies. 

However, considering the multiple opinions in the forums that you don't need expensive speakers for HT, I'm wondering if we're better off getting a good music/audio AVR (HK) that will give us decent HT performance.  Would we even notice the difference in HT performance?  Personally, hirap kasi to compare audio performance when it comes to HT. 
Title: Re: Onkyo or Denon
Post by: berdilot™ on Aug 05, 2009 at 10:18 AM
ako i prefer denon over onkyo. kasi di nagbabago yung itsura ng onkyo. ;D
Title: Re: HK AVR255 or Onkyo TX-SR607???
Post by: Invinciible on Aug 05, 2009 at 11:31 AM
Whoa same dilemma here. how much do h/k 255 cost mga sir? ang ganda kasi ng design ng h/k but I'm worried since madame ako nababasa na ang h/k is good for audio listening. I'm gonna use it more on movies kasi. alin kaya ang mas okay. :D hehe.

i am currently using an hk255, and can only comment on this unit.  it is very good for both ht and audio.  the company usually lists an underrated watts per channel and i have found this to apply to my 255.  it's 50wpc rating for 7channel audio has turned out to be more powerful than some brands' listed 85 to 100  wpc...

one thing you have to take into consideration is the graphic interface or gui of the hk. hk's philosophy is that of simplicity, and if you are the tweaking and tinkering with settings type, this may not be for you.  in terms of performance though, it is a quite capable.

the only thing i can say about the onkyo, as i only know of it based on specs, is that it gives you dolby prologicIIz, which allows for two additional speakers in the top front right and top front left of the room, adding vertical orientation to your sound.    ;)
Title: Re: HK AVR255 or Onkyo TX-SR607???
Post by: dips15 on Aug 05, 2009 at 11:41 AM
Yup had a chance to see the interface of the HK in Avshop's shop... ganda talaga.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: tein on Aug 05, 2009 at 10:42 PM
guys anyone here using yamaha/ polk tsi series combinations? or onkyo / polk combinations
Title: Re: Marantz SR7001 or SR5003?
Post by: brainf on Aug 06, 2009 at 01:13 PM
We seem to have similar requirements for an AV Amp.  I was in a similar dilemma too - Older, Higher-end model or Newer, Lower-end model of the same brand.   ;D

Ended up buying the older, higher-end model.  No regrets even with multiple speaker upgrades later it has not failed to dissapoint. 

And yes, it's a Marantz too. 
Title: Re: HK AVR255 or Onkyo TX-SR607???
Post by: vondoom on Aug 06, 2009 at 04:58 PM
Onkyo TX-SR607  ;D
Title: Re: Marantz SR7001 or SR5003?
Post by: lakambini on Aug 07, 2009 at 11:05 AM
I'll go for d 7001 also.

Has more power that makes the sound full-bodied.  Either at high or low-volume listening levels.

Don't worry about the resale value, higher-end models maintain their value longer than their entry or midlevel counterparts.
Title: Re: Marantz SR7001 or SR5003?
Post by: gearhead000 on Aug 07, 2009 at 02:37 PM
i'm just wondering why not so much review info on the sr7001, and whatever there is available seems to have been not so impressed about it.  ???
Title: Re: Marantz SR7001 or SR5003?
Post by: ditoy_eagle on Aug 07, 2009 at 03:35 PM
Actually if you google long enough madami naman and a lot are impressed with it.  Specially in AVS forums. I appreciate a few people who already pm'ed me to get the 7001 since it has better amps and for sure has better built. But I forgot to put that I will be using the AV receiver as a pre/pro since I have wonderful powered speakers in my studio already- http://www.genelec.com/products/2-way-monitors/8050a/

I won't be using the better built-in amps of the 7001. If the 5003 will sound just the same as a pre/pro, then I will get the newer model with HDMI 1.3a and TrueHD of course. But if the 7001's audio performance is better, specially in 2-channel pure mode, then without hesitation I would prefer the one with better sound.
Title: Re: Marantz SR7001 or SR5003?
Post by: gearhead000 on Aug 07, 2009 at 05:25 PM
xxx But I forgot to put that I will be using the AV receiver as a pre/pro since I have wonderful powered speakers in my studio already- http://www.genelec.com/products/2-way-monitors/8050a/

(http://www.genelec.com/documents/images/products/8050a.jpg)

hanep naman pala speakers mo eh. pang-studio nearfield monitoring na.   ;)
Title: Re: Marantz SR7001 or SR5003?
Post by: ditoy_eagle on Aug 07, 2009 at 05:31 PM
haha yeah recording studio kasi ang business ko. I just incorporate HT elements so I can get close to Hollywood sound when mixing movies :)  Syempre malayo pa din tunog dahil mababa budget and mabilisan ang pinoy films.
Title: Re: HK AVR255 or Onkyo TX-SR607???
Post by: tein on Aug 07, 2009 at 05:53 PM
had the chance to audition the HK avr255 at avshop together with the infinity primus, polk audion tsi series and the b&w's 683.. panalo !  ;) linaw in both audio and movies ;)
Title: Re: HK AVR255 or Onkyo TX-SR607???
Post by: Invinciible on Aug 08, 2009 at 07:31 AM
had the chance to audition the HK avr255 at avshop together with the infinity primus, polk audion tsi series and the b&w's 683.. panalo !  ;) linaw in both audio and movies ;)

there you go. ;)

panalong panalo nga sir ang hk255 + b&w 683 combo...
Title: Re: sakura vs konzert vs hotta
Post by: textmailbox on Aug 12, 2009 at 04:49 PM

Sakura 502K are good for hi-fi audio.

Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Theoden on Aug 23, 2009 at 01:59 PM
guys, denon 2808 or denon 1910 ? to pair with wharfe 9.5/cm/dfs speakers?

2808 is older higher end model right? almost same price range sila dalawa eh....
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: mike c on Aug 23, 2009 at 02:05 PM
guys, denon 2808 or denon 1910 ? to pair with wharfe 9.5/cm/dfs speakers?

2808 is older higher end model right? almost same price range sila dalawa eh....

if the denon 2808 has enough HDMI inputs for your use, i'd go for that one.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Theoden on Aug 23, 2009 at 02:09 PM
thanks sir mike, ot: laki na utang ko sayo, dami mo na sinagot na questions ko :) salamat sir! salamat pdvd! :)
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: mike c on Aug 23, 2009 at 02:14 PM
thanks sir mike, ot: laki na utang ko sayo, dami mo na sinagot na questions ko :) salamat sir! salamat pdvd! :)

walang utang sa forums ... kung meron man kapalit: pay it forward.  help someone else with something you are familiar with, that's how forums work  ;)
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: streetsmart on Aug 23, 2009 at 02:23 PM
walang utang sa forums ... kung meron man kapalit: pay it forward.  help someone else with something you are familiar with, that's how forums work  ;)

Hey, Mike! That's a great analogy. Pay it forward!  :)
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Theoden on Aug 23, 2009 at 02:51 PM
thanks mga sirs! will do pag marami na rin akong kaalaman :) btw, found out na sub preout lang pala sa 1910, so... 2808 it is! 2 hdmi inputs can be resolved naman using hdmi switch :)
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: avshop on Aug 23, 2009 at 03:58 PM
thanks mga sirs! will do pag marami na rin akong kaalaman :) btw, found out na sub preout lang pala sa 1910, so... 2808 it is! 2 hdmi inputs can be resolved naman using hdmi switch :)

you might want to consider the new denon 2310.  may pre outs na rin. :)
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: mike c on Aug 23, 2009 at 04:23 PM
Hey, Mike! That's a great analogy. Pay it forward!  :)

 ;D
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: raptor on Aug 23, 2009 at 04:57 PM
gurus, any thoughts on the onkyo 607 vs denon 1910?  had been delaying getting an AVR until now...

sir,

i would recommend that check out the AVS forum if you want the finer details of comparison, but usually, the difference wouldn't be that much in terms of sound quality which is the most important thing ... sound quality would be very much dependent on your speakers ... the take away from reviewing the feedbacks and comparisons in the AVS forums would be to know the feature comparison and you can decide on what AVR you want based on what feature you think you want more ... another take away would be if there are known issues, which is common on newly released models

what i can share with you is that i use both Onkyo and Denon ... my newest AVR is a Denon 1909, prior to that I had two Onkyo's in succession ... reason for me getting the Denon is the Audyssey

if this is the first time that you are getting an AVR however, I would recommend the Onkyo because of user-friendliness of the functions and remote control unit ... Denon sucks on the remote control and user-friendliness ... for the Onkyo, you do not even need the manual to set it up ... for the Denon, I had it for almost a year, but I still need to refer to the manual (which also sucks big time) from time to time ... apart from the user-friendliness however, the Denon 1909 is overall a very good AVR
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: tein on Aug 24, 2009 at 07:19 PM
guys anu mas ok , denon 1909, onkyo 607 or hk 255? will be buying na this week and finalizing nalang almost at the same price range kasi sila
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: blued888 on Aug 25, 2009 at 12:33 AM
guys anu mas ok , denon 1909, onkyo 607 or hk 255? will be buying na this week and finalizing nalang almost at the same price range kasi sila

Ang lamang ng Denon and Onkyo over HK is Audyssey auto-calibration. These three are pretty much at the same level, so take a look closely at what features you need before making a choice.

Although the HK 255 has pre-outs for an external amplifier, many people rarely use it (unless you have a gigantic room or an ultra-dedicated home theater).
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: tein on Aug 25, 2009 at 01:42 AM
oh ok thanks sir blued again.. pero sabi nila medyo complicated daw gamitin ang denon compared to other brands? tapos yun sa remote daw parang pangit? or d maayos ba? not sure. sorry dami tanong just wanna be sure sa purchase this week
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: ramgos on Aug 26, 2009 at 11:17 PM
Hello mga sir,

I am looking at a few entry level receivers. The Yamaha rx-v465, Denon 1610, HK avr-155 to replace my Marantz sr3001.

My speakers are Wharfedale Diamond 9.6, 9cs, 9dfs.

I would appreciate your opinions very much on what would be best for this setup. Thanks.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: avshop on Aug 26, 2009 at 11:35 PM
Hello mga sir,

I am looking at a few entry level receivers. The Yamaha rx-v465, Denon 1610, HK avr-155 to replace my Marantz sr3001.

My speakers are Wharfedale Diamond 9.6, 9cs, 9dfs.

I would appreciate your opinions very much on what would be best for this setup. Thanks.

the 1610 has the advantage of having dolby truehd and dts-hd. :)
Title: Re: Onkyo or Denon
Post by: abcerase on Aug 27, 2009 at 07:18 AM
mga sirs, so di maganda yun denon 1610? newbie lang po kasi ako...for ps3 (30%), blu ray (30%) and music (40%), m also looking at the 507 or yamaha 465...
Title: Re: Onkyo or Denon
Post by: avshop on Aug 27, 2009 at 09:53 AM
mga sirs, so di maganda yun denon 1610? newbie lang po kasi ako...for ps3 (30%), blu ray (30%) and music (40%), m also looking at the 507 or yamaha 465...

i'd go for the denon over the onkyo 507 and yamaha 465. :)
Title: marantz vs denon
Post by: jetro on Aug 27, 2009 at 10:53 AM
I don't know if there is a thread for this already.  I haven't audition yet, but before I go ahead for an auditio, I would like to know your preferences over:

denon 1909/1910 VS marantz sr4003/sr5003. 

these are the AVRs I liked (and can afford :-)) on paper and have satisfied my requirements which are:

- 55% music/45% HT
- video upscaling to 1080p
- multi-channel analog inputs (for DVD-A/SACD)
- Dolby TrueHD, DTS-HD (nice to have but can live without it)

I've had 2 yamaha AVRs and still like it but my interest has shifted to music lately hence the need to change AVR.  I am leaning towards marantz by sheer reputation of its musicality.  Please help me decide guys.
Title: Re: marantz vs denon
Post by: avshop on Aug 27, 2009 at 12:10 PM
I don't know if there is a thread for this already.  I haven't audition yet, but before I go ahead for an auditio, I would like to know your preferences over:

denon 1909/1910 VS marantz sr4003/sr5003. 

these are the AVRs I liked (and can afford :-)) on paper and have satisfied my requirements which are:

- 55% music/45% HT
- video upscaling to 1080p
- multi-channel analog inputs (for DVD-A/SACD)
- Dolby TrueHD, DTS-HD (nice to have but can live without it)

I've had 2 yamaha AVRs and still like it but my interest has shifted to music lately hence the need to change AVR.  I am leaning towards marantz by sheer reputation of its musicality.  Please help me decide guys.

both are very good and the 1910 is very musical compared to the 1909.  the sr4003 doesn't have the hd audio decoders though but can accept pcm via hdmi.  i think the advantage of the marantz is that it has pre-outs already. :)  i can give you good deals on both marantz and denon. :)

Title: Re: marantz vs denon
Post by: Philander on Aug 27, 2009 at 12:14 PM
I heard receivers from both brands, and I always like the musicality of Marantz, its so natural and simply amazing sound. My Marantz Receiver SR4300 is working fine since 2003.

Anyway Denon is a good receiver as well, if you pair it with matching-speakers, im sure it will sound great.

I paired my marantz with wharfedale, Mordaunt Short, Mission, Gale even generic speakers, it always produce great sound.

You see, the key is just speaker matching.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: streetsmart on Aug 27, 2009 at 12:27 PM
the 1610 has the advantage of having dolby truehd and dts-hd. :)

And Audyssey MutEQ room correction technology, Dynamic EQ and Dynamic Volume. Makes a huge difference.
Title: Re: Onkyo or Denon
Post by: streetsmart on Aug 27, 2009 at 12:32 PM
mga sirs, so di maganda yun denon 1610? newbie lang po kasi ako...for ps3 (30%), blu ray (30%) and music (40%), m also looking at the 507 or yamaha 465...

The Denon 1610. Much better, particularly because of Audyssey technology
Title: Re: Onkyo or Denon
Post by: j0hans0n on Aug 27, 2009 at 01:27 PM
based on both party's websites, mukhang mas dynamic ang crowd/market ng denon.. not necessarily that it is only for dynamic sound. but ill prolly take denon over onkyo.

ambabaw ng inputs.. hehehe

basically, the denon's features fit my type of setup..

Title: Re: Onkyo or Denon
Post by: Philander on Aug 27, 2009 at 01:42 PM
Go for Denon.

My friend used entry level Onkyo receiver before, paired with mid-level sensitivity speakers (86db) and he need to have the volume up to the maximum level in order to have it sound considerably loud.

Title: Re: Onkyo or Denon
Post by: abcerase on Aug 27, 2009 at 02:04 PM
thank you sir sa mga input...although ang gagamitin ko po ng speakers ay entry level na wharfedale 9.1...ok naman po ba to?
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: ramgos on Aug 27, 2009 at 07:50 PM
Ok lang ba yung 75watts/channel of Denon 1610 compared to 105watts/channel of Yamaha 465?

Kasi parang near the same price silang dalawa.

and OK ba yung combination of Denon to Wharfedale?
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: blued888 on Aug 27, 2009 at 08:15 PM
Ok lang ba yung 75watts/channel of Denon 1610 compared to 105watts/channel of Yamaha 465?

Halos parehas lang yan, the 105wpc of the 465 is rated @ 1kHz only. If converted to full bandwidth 20Hz to 20kHz rating, it would be undoubtedly close to around 75wpc just like the Denon.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: ramgos on Aug 27, 2009 at 10:48 PM
Thanks Sir AVShop, Sir Streetsmart and Sir blued888 for your advice. Learn something new again.  ;)
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: abcerase on Aug 28, 2009 at 01:54 AM
Thank you for the very useful information sir :) I have one more question though, di po ba masyadong mahina ang 75 w/channel...I mean, is the Denon 1610 future proof -- meaning in terms of speakers -- sa ngayon ok pa kasi wharfedale 9.1 pa lang, how about in the future if I have the money already to upgrade to b&w, etc, di po ba ako mabibitin?

thanks!
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: streetsmart on Aug 28, 2009 at 08:14 AM
Thank you for the very useful information sir :) I have one more question though, di po ba masyadong mahina ang 75 w/channel...I mean, is the Denon 1610 future proof -- meaning in terms of speakers -- sa ngayon ok pa kasi wharfedale 9.1 pa lang, how about in the future if I have the money already to upgrade to b&w, etc, di po ba ako mabibitin?

thanks!

If it has pre-outs, you can just buy power amps in the future if you want more power. It it doesn't and you need more power, get Klipsch or other high-sensitivity speakers and you'll still be ok.

But I suspect that even if you had the extra power, you'd probably upgrade the AVR in the future anyhow cuz AVR technology is improving so fast.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: abcerase on Aug 28, 2009 at 08:25 AM
If it has pre-outs, you can just buy power amps in the future if you want more power. It it doesn't and you need more power, get Klipsch or other high-sensitivity speakers and you'll still be ok.

But I suspect that even if you had the extra power, you'd probably upgrade the AVR in the future anyhow cuz AVR technology is improving so fast.

I see...thanks so much sir!
Title: Re: Onkyo or Denon
Post by: raptor on Aug 30, 2009 at 10:00 AM
I use both, mas older lang Onkyo ko ... Onkyo 501 and Denon 1909 ... I can say that sound quality would depend a lot on the speakers you're connecting, and you should not go wrong with either brand

If you are new to setting up and using an AVR, Onkyo is much user friendly - you wouldn't need the manual to set it up ... on features, I prefer the Denon, but it really sucks on user friendliness especially the remote control unit - been using the unit for almost a year, and i still have to refer to the manual (which also sucks by the way) from time-to-time ... sans the user-friendliness, I still prefer Denon over Onkyo  ;D
Title: Re: Onkyo or Denon
Post by: abcerase on Sep 02, 2009 at 07:08 AM
sir, i read something about the onkyo 607...ganda daw po entry level...how much po d2 sa atin?
--update: 31k from avshop

thank you po sa mga responses nyo sirs!
Title: Re: Onkyo or Denon
Post by: avshop on Sep 02, 2009 at 03:14 PM
sir, i read something about the onkyo 607...ganda daw po entry level...how much po d2 sa atin?
--update: 31k from avshop

thank you po sa mga responses nyo sirs!

onkyo also has the 507 which already has hd audio as well. :)
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: chrisrhob on Sep 02, 2009 at 04:25 PM
Guys patulong naman, im off to shop for a new AV receiver and my budget is more or less mga 30K. I am looking at the Denon 1909 but it seems it has a lot of issues with regards to its user friendliness sa pag setup as mentioned by raptor and other peeps all over the web who also have the same issues with denon 1909, so what are my other options? lets say sa Yamaha? Onkyo? HK? what receiver has the best bang-for-the-buck within my budget of 30-35k?

 :-\
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: mike c on Sep 02, 2009 at 04:33 PM
Guys patulong naman, im off to shop for a new AV receiver and my budget is more or less mga 30K. I am looking at the Denon 1909 but it seems it has a lot of issues with regards to its user friendliness sa pag setup as mentioned by raptor and other peeps all over the web who also have the same issues with denon 1909, so what are my other options? lets say sa Yamaha? Onkyo? HK? what receiver has the best bang-for-the-buck within my budget of 30-35k?

 :-\

if you read the manual ok lang naman, actually i never read any of my manuals :D

note lang na meron nang 10 series and denon: 1910 and 2310

sanayan lang yan.  i started with yamaha, then HK then Denon :) (i now have 4 denons)

Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: jetro on Sep 02, 2009 at 04:57 PM
pasali nga po.  and what about marantz?  di na ko updated sa receivers ngayon but back in 2004 marantz is bigger than denon.  lately there has been little interest in marantz as compared to denon.  why is this? I heard denon has better audissey eq implementation.  what else?
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: tein on Sep 02, 2009 at 07:01 PM
Guys patulong naman, im off to shop for a new AV receiver and my budget is more or less mga 30K. I am looking at the Denon 1909 but it seems it has a lot of issues with regards to its user friendliness sa pag setup as mentioned by raptor and other peeps all over the web who also have the same issues with denon 1909, so what are my other options? lets say sa Yamaha? Onkyo? HK? what receiver has the best bang-for-the-buck within my budget of 30-35k?

 :-\


SIr try mo yun harman kardon 255 .. dali lang sya gamitin halos same level sila ng denon 1909 ata  ;)
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Gwenael on Sep 02, 2009 at 08:11 PM
Mga sirs tulong po on choosing the right receiver. Pinagpipilian ko ngayon Marantz 6003, Onkyo 876 and equivalent Denon model 3310 or 2310?...I haven't audition them yet and probably might not have the luxury of time to do so due to my limited vacation time. Anyway, i'm going to pair it with Ikon 6. 70/30 music/ movie usage. I'm leaning towards Marantz as i'm coming from Marantz 4400 and been satisfied with it. But now, I have this itch to upgrade to max. out the benefit of the new sound format as well as the benefit of Audyssey calibration (no sound treatment due to WAF).  Currently i'm using PS3 as source for BD and Pioneer for audio. Display is 42" panasonic plasma. Any inputs / suggestions are very much welcome. Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: chrisrhob on Sep 02, 2009 at 09:56 PM

SIr try mo yun harman kardon 255 .. dali lang sya gamitin halos same level sila ng denon 1909 ata  ;)

kewl ang ganda nga ng hk avr 255 ^_^ still researching which one is better vs denon1910. sa yamaha or onkyo wala katapat?
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: iiinas on Sep 02, 2009 at 10:03 PM
Mga sirs tulong po on choosing the right receiver. Pinagpipilian ko ngayon Marantz 6003, Onkyo 876 and equivalent Denon model 3310 or 2310?...I haven't audition them yet and probably might not have the luxury of time to do so due to my limited vacation time. Anyway, i'm going to pair it with Ikon 6. 70/30 music/ movie usage. I'm leaning towards Marantz as i'm coming from Marantz 4400 and been satisfied with it. But now, I have this itch to upgrade to max. out the benefit of the new sound format as well as the benefit of Audyssey calibration (no sound treatment due to WAF).  Currently i'm using PS3 as source for BD and Pioneer for audio. Display is 42" panasonic plasma. Any inputs / suggestions are very much welcome. Thanks in advance.

if its audyssey you are looking for then its a choice between onkyo and denon. i think 876 is a pretty good receiver and with its hqv chip, it also acts your dvd upscaler, a pretty good one at that.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: avshop on Sep 02, 2009 at 10:24 PM
Mga sirs tulong po on choosing the right receiver. Pinagpipilian ko ngayon Marantz 6003, Onkyo 876 and equivalent Denon model 3310 or 2310?...I haven't audition them yet and probably might not have the luxury of time to do so due to my limited vacation time. Anyway, i'm going to pair it with Ikon 6. 70/30 music/ movie usage. I'm leaning towards Marantz as i'm coming from Marantz 4400 and been satisfied with it. But now, I have this itch to upgrade to max. out the benefit of the new sound format as well as the benefit of Audyssey calibration (no sound treatment due to WAF).  Currently i'm using PS3 as source for BD and Pioneer for audio. Display is 42" panasonic plasma. Any inputs / suggestions are very much welcome. Thanks in advance.

you can come check out the denon 2310 and marantz sr5003 in the shop. :)
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: avshop on Sep 02, 2009 at 10:25 PM
kewl ang ganda nga ng hk avr 255 ^_^ still researching which one is better vs denon1910. sa yamaha or onkyo wala katapat?

come to the shop and listen for yourself. we have the hk 255, denon 1909, and denon 1910 for you to compare. :)
Title: Re: marantz vs denon
Post by: avshop on Sep 02, 2009 at 10:30 PM
the new denon models are now even more musical than before. come check them out. :)
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: streetsmart on Sep 03, 2009 at 06:53 AM
Mga sirs tulong po on choosing the right receiver. Pinagpipilian ko ngayon Marantz 6003, Onkyo 876 and equivalent Denon model 3310 or 2310?...I haven't audition them yet and probably might not have the luxury of time to do so due to my limited vacation time. Anyway, i'm going to pair it with Ikon 6. 70/30 music/ movie usage. I'm leaning towards Marantz as i'm coming from Marantz 4400 and been satisfied with it. But now, I have this itch to upgrade to max. out the benefit of the new sound format as well as the benefit of Audyssey calibration (no sound treatment due to WAF).  Currently i'm using PS3 as source for BD and Pioneer for audio. Display is 42" panasonic plasma. Any inputs / suggestions are very much welcome. Thanks in advance.

You are looking at the latest models. As far as I know, the new models are pretty expensive because they have the earliest implementations of Audyssey DSX, which theoretically allows you to have 11 speakers + subwoofer (2 "wide" channels and 2 "height" channels), although these earliest receivers can actually drive only 9 speakers at a time.

If you don't have a pretty big and WIDE room, you can't really use Audyssey DSX. In any case, the technology is pretty new and you are the guinea pig for these receivers.

If I were you, I'd buy a Denon 3808 before they are faced out by the Denon 3310. In fact, iirc, the 3808 has Audyssey MutlEQ XT while the 3310 has only MultEQ. The XT version has 8x more filters for the satellite channels. The 3808 is getting cheaper -- you can buy it at Amazon for $1000.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Gwenael on Sep 03, 2009 at 11:53 AM
@ sir iinas, thanks for the input. yes, audyssey feature is of utmost importance to me. Looking at the specs it seems it's a toss up between Onkyo's 876 and Denon 3808 as recommended by sir streetmart due to its MultiEQ XT. Overall, 876 seems has more features than both Denon and Marantz at almost the same price level. Do you happen to know the prevailing price at the market for 876 (sealed)?

@ sir streetmart, you are right sir it should be Denon 3808 and not the latest models if i want more value for money. i'm just curious though, how good Denon is when it comes to music reproduction compare with Marantz 6003 and Onkyo 876? I'm going to pair it with Ikon 6. By the way sir, do you happen to know the prevailing price at the market for 3808? i prefer local version 220v..

thanks and God Bless.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: streetsmart on Sep 03, 2009 at 01:05 PM
@ sir streetmart, you are right sir it should be Denon 3808 and not the latest models if i want more value for money. i'm just curious though, how good Denon is when it comes to music reproduction compare with Marantz 6003 and Onkyo 876? I'm going to pair it with Ikon 6. By the way sir, do you happen to know the prevailing price at the market for 3808? i prefer local version 220v..

My guesses:

The Onkyo 876 has better video processing because of its Reon chip. However, it runs very hot so you need to keep it well-ventilated and its reputed to have inferior sound quality as compared to the Denon 3808, maybe because of the DACs.

The Marantz 6003 is reputed to have pretty good audio and my guess is again the DACs but it has an inferior version of Audyssey (only MultEQ vs MultEQ XT for the Denon 3808, which provides 8x more filters for the satellite speakers, i.e., all speakers other than the sub). Furthermore, there have been a lot of comments about problems with Audyssey processing for Marantz AVRs. Given the importance of Audyssey room correction for sound quality in your room, this is a big factor. No matter how good your amps are, it is most often your room that compromises the sound quality the most. Ergo, Audyssey room correction is invaluable for sound quality.

The Denon 3808 also has an incredibly good GUI. I used to think this was just a "nice to have" but I realized quickly that its a god-send cuz its so easy to make adjustments on the fly. It makes it much easier to set-up the AVR.

With regard to local price, frankly I don't know. You'd have to check out one of the many shops. Maybe Sights & Sounds would give you a good deal. I think that AV Driver is the authorized distributor locally. Make sure you get the latest version of the 3808, which should have Audyssey Dynamic EQ and Volume, both of which are great technologies.

Good luck!
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: iiinas on Sep 03, 2009 at 02:27 PM
My guesses:

The Onkyo 876 has better video processing because of its Reon chip. However, it runs very hot so you need to keep it well-ventilated and its reputed to have inferior sound quality as compared to the Denon 3808, maybe because of the DACs.

The Marantz 6003 is reputed to have pretty good audio and my guess is again the DACs but it has an inferior version of Audyssey (only MultEQ vs MultEQ XT for the Denon 3808, which provides 8x more filters for the satellite speakers, i.e., all speakers other than the sub). Furthermore, there have been a lot of comments about problems with Audyssey processing for Marantz AVRs. Given the importance of Audyssey room correction for sound quality in your room, this is a big factor. No matter how good your amps are, it is most often your room that compromises the sound quality the most. Ergo, Audyssey room correction is invaluable for sound quality.

The Denon 3808 also has an incredibly good GUI. I used to think this was just a "nice to have" but I realized quickly that its a god-send cuz its so easy to make adjustments on the fly. It makes it much easier to set-up the AVR.

With regard to local price, frankly I don't know. You'd have to check out one of the many shops. Maybe Sights & Sounds would give you a good deal. I think that AV Driver is the authorized distributor locally. Make sure you get the latest version of the 3808, which should have Audyssey Dynamic EQ and Volume, both of which are great technologies.

Good luck!

i have to agree with sir mark, denon's are known to be better in sound quality  than onkyo. but you may want to pm @JAQY888 as he has an 875 matched with dali ikons too. primarily used for ht. and yes onkyos do run hot. but if you have substantial dvd collection then its good to have the reon chip sir mark was talking about.

but the gui of denon is indeed great, since you can conjure at anytime. unlike onkyo's wherein you have to go out of the movie to get the gui. so as sir mark pointed out, setting up on the fly is smooth on a denon. its your choice ultimately. if i am not mistaken 876 could be had for 80k cash locally (220 v)
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: mike c on Sep 03, 2009 at 02:38 PM
impression ko on Onkyo was that marami siyang good features for the price, i didn't get one because of the reported heat problems (and a few units dying as per amazon.com reviews)

so i went with 3808's as well, mas mahal, pero mas reliable.

i can show you how the 3808 works when you visit sir Gwenael :D

the 3808's audyssey with my SVS AS-EQ1 subwoofer audyssey really improved SQ (as in night and day, and i can barely hear differences between speakers)
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: mike c on Sep 03, 2009 at 02:50 PM
sir mark,

pano pala i-activate ang EXT-IN input sa 3808?  :D
can't find it sa manual e ...

TIA
Title: Re: marantz vs denon
Post by: jetro on Sep 03, 2009 at 03:03 PM
the new denon models are now even more musical than before. come check them out. :)

do you have denon avr-790? please pm me the price if you have it.
Title: Denon AVR 1910 vs Harman Kardon AVR 255 vs Onkyo TXSR607 vs Yamaha RX-V665
Post by: chrisrhob on Sep 03, 2009 at 04:06 PM
So far these are the AVRs that fit the bill for me but the question is which one is right for me? Im still planning to get speakers to pair up with this receiver. Currently i have an HTPC, XBOX 360, Toshiba Up-converting DVD player  and a Samsung 55B650, so basically most of my use would be on gaming and movies so which one should i go for?  :-\
Title: Re: Denon AVR 1910 vs Harman Kardon AVR 255 vs Onkyo TXSR607 vs Yamaha RX-V665
Post by: mike c on Sep 03, 2009 at 04:13 PM
similar ba prices sir?
Title: Re: Denon AVR 1910 vs Harman Kardon AVR 255 vs Onkyo TXSR607 vs Yamaha RX-V665
Post by: chrisrhob on Sep 03, 2009 at 04:18 PM
sa pag canvas ko yup, halos 30k silang lahat. but i dont know which one to for...
Title: Re: Denon AVR 1910 vs Harman Kardon AVR 255 vs Onkyo TXSR607 vs Yamaha RX-V665
Post by: mike c on Sep 03, 2009 at 04:24 PM
one thing that helps me decide is to list the pros and cons of each receiver, but that's dependent on the user on what you think is important ... it's also easier to eliminate choices than to choose a winner.

basically, find the faults in all the receivers and eliminate the ones that you can't live with.

pros would be:
- what features you require now
- what features you will require in the future
- pre-outs
Title: Re: Denon AVR 1910 vs Harman Kardon AVR 255 vs Onkyo TXSR607 vs Yamaha RX-V665
Post by: chrisrhob on Sep 03, 2009 at 04:46 PM
sowie but i really don't know much about the features that i need, of course sound quality is a given. i need it to drive a 5.1 system and probably upgrade to a 7.1 in the future.

All i know is that as long as i can connect my xbox, ps3, popcorn c200 and blue ray and that its primary use would be for playing games and watching movies im good to go. also a primary concern would be if its easy to set-up.
Title: Re: Denon AVR 1910 vs Harman Kardon AVR 255 vs Onkyo TXSR607 vs Yamaha RX-V665
Post by: mike c on Sep 03, 2009 at 04:48 PM
sowie but i really don't know much about the features that i need, of course sound quality is a given. i need it to drive a 5.1 system and probably upgrade to a 7.1 in the future.

All i know is that as long as i can connect my xbox, ps3, popcorn c200 and blue ray and that its primary use would be for playing games and watching movies im good to go. also a primary concern would be if its easy to set-up.

well, it looks like all these receivers will power your setup fine.
the sources you mentioned looks to require at least 3 HDMI inputs. 

maybe you can cut and paste all the specs of these units here so we can dissect them :)
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: streetsmart on Sep 03, 2009 at 04:50 PM
sir mark,

pano pala i-activate ang EXT-IN input sa 3808?  :D
can't find it sa manual e ...

TIA

Mike, IIRC, you can activate this per input. Go to the input menu and change the audio source to EXT-IN.

IIRC, the other way is through the remote. Select the input and then press the touchscreen for audio input (don't recall the exact name). It will toggle thru the different options so just wait till it goes to EXT-IN
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: mike c on Sep 03, 2009 at 04:56 PM
Mike, IIRC, you can activate this per input. Go to the input menu and change the audio source to EXT-IN.

IIRC, the other way is through the remote. Select the input and then press the touchscreen for audio input (don't recall the exact name). It will toggle thru the different options so just wait till it goes to EXT-IN

thanks sir mark :)  will try that.  i've been using the ordinary inputs for the AS-EQ1 when the manual says to use the EXT-IN kasi.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: streetsmart on Sep 03, 2009 at 05:16 PM
thanks sir mark :)  will try that.  i've been using the ordinary inputs for the AS-EQ1 when the manual says to use the EXT-IN kasi.

The EXT-IN inputs will provide an analog signal and no processing at all, particularly Audyssey. So it should be quite different. I don't know why SVS requires it that way but I guess that needs to be followed.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: mike c on Sep 03, 2009 at 05:19 PM
The EXT-IN inputs will provide an analog signal and no processing at all, particularly Audyssey. So it should be quite different. I don't know why SVS requires it that way but I guess that needs to be followed.

hopefully that's the reason i have this unsolvable dip (no matter where i place the subs) :D
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Gwenael on Sep 03, 2009 at 06:41 PM
@ sir streetsmart and sir iinas maraming salamat sa napakagandang ideas, explaination and recommendation nyo. it makes our life (newbie) a little bit easier in choosing the right gears that would give us the best bang for the buck of our hard earned money.

@ sir mike, thanks for the invitation. looking forward to visit your place para kunin ko na sub ko..hehe :D sobrang excited na nga ako at di na mapag katulog...haayyy tagal pa!
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: wink on Sep 03, 2009 at 09:38 PM
Hi there. I'm planning to buy a new receiver and I'm torn between a Denon AVR 2310 vs Pioneer 1019AH. Any advice that could help me decide what to get? Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: Denon AVR 1910 vs Harman Kardon AVR 255 vs Onkyo TXSR607 vs Yamaha RX-V665
Post by: chrisrhob on Sep 03, 2009 at 10:25 PM
Harman Kardon AVR 255

(http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/2116/hk255.jpg)

Source:
http://www.harmankardon.com/specifications.aspx?Region=EUROPE&Country=FI&Language=ENG&cat=REC&ser=&prod=AVR%20255/230&sType=
Title: Re: Denon AVR 1910 vs Harman Kardon AVR 255 vs Onkyo TXSR607 vs Yamaha RX-V665
Post by: chrisrhob on Sep 03, 2009 at 10:26 PM
Onkyo TXSR607

(http://www.eu.onkyo.com/ir_img/20601174_fec24824c1.jpg)

Source:
http://www.eu.onkyo.com/ir_img/20601174_fec24824c1.jpg
Title: Re: Denon AVR 1910 vs Harman Kardon AVR 255 vs Onkyo TXSR607 vs Yamaha RX-V665
Post by: chrisrhob on Sep 03, 2009 at 10:28 PM
Yamaha RX-V665BL

(http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/4774/yamaharxv665bl.jpg)

Source:
http://www.yamaha.com/yec/products/productdetail.html?CNTID=5028057&CTID=5000300&ATRID=1020&DETYP=ATTRIBUTE
Title: Re: Denon AVR 1910 vs Harman Kardon AVR 255 vs Onkyo TXSR607 vs Yamaha RX-V665
Post by: chrisrhob on Sep 03, 2009 at 10:29 PM
Denon AVR 1910

(http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/7969/denon1910.jpg)

Source:
http://www.usa.denon.com/ProductDetails/4858.asp
Title: Re: Denon AVR 1910 vs Harman Kardon AVR 255 vs Onkyo TXSR607 vs Yamaha RX-V665
Post by: chrisrhob on Sep 03, 2009 at 10:32 PM
To me, all these are all jargon  :-\ i don't know which spec is better than the other
Title: Re: Denon AVR 1910 vs Harman Kardon AVR 255 vs Onkyo TXSR607 vs Yamaha RX-V665
Post by: Stark3 on Sep 03, 2009 at 11:37 PM
Hmm ... when I was doing my own research for a receiver, it became a toss up between the Denon and the HK. The HK AFAIR is the only receiver of the bunch that has pre-outs (meaning you can connect it to an external power amp if you wanted to do that kind of upgrade), plus all reviews point to the HK as being the most musical sounding.

What the Denon has going for it is more features, the most attractive one being the Audyssey room eq. HK also has an auto setup/eq feature, but it doesn't nearly sound as good as the Audyssey implementation. Also, the Denon seemed more reliable than the HK.

Have you tried auditioning the receivers you've mentioned? If you still don't have a preference after doing an A/B comparison between the Denon and the HK, I'd go with the Denon for its Audyssey. It would have more of an impact in your environment IMO.

Just my two cents (all theoretical. ^^)

Cheers!
Title: Re: marantz vs denon
Post by: avshop on Sep 03, 2009 at 11:58 PM
do you have denon avr-790? please pm me the price if you have it.

we have the denon 1910 which is similar to the denon 790. :)
Title: Re: marantz vs denon
Post by: avshop on Sep 04, 2009 at 12:02 AM
do you have denon avr-790? please pm me the price if you have it.


Q. What is the difference between the three-digit models (e.g. AVR 790) and the four-digit models (e.g. AVR 1910)?

A: Essentially, NOTHING. Denon puts out two parallel receiver lineups, with four-digit and three-digit model numbers. The four-digit models are generally sold by high end stereo shops and custom installers, and the three-digit models are the "consumer" version sold in retail outlets like Circuit City and Fry's.

However, there is ZERO difference in terms of power, specs, sound quality, build quality, etc. between the two lines. Denon has been doing this for years, it is exactly analagous to the Yamaha HTR and RX-V parallel receiver lines.

There will usually be one or two minor differences to differentiate the three-digit and four-digit models. There is typically a slight cosmetic difference between the two lines, and different remotes.

In the specific case of the 1910 vs. 790, the only differences (besides the cosmetics) is:

1. the 1910 has A/B speaker switching, whereas the 790 only has "A" front speakers
2. the 1910 adds a "room to room" remote control jack for wired control from Zone 2

In all other respects, the 1910 and 790 are IDENTICAL.

taken from avsforum. :)

Title: Re: Onkyo or Denon
Post by: Huddaf on Sep 04, 2009 at 06:44 AM
Tanong ka lang dyan sa Marketplace.

Yammy 663 pwede yun.  ;)
Title: Re: Denon AVR 1910 vs Harman Kardon AVR 255 vs Onkyo TXSR607 vs Yamaha RX-V665
Post by: abcerase on Sep 04, 2009 at 07:19 AM
Hmm ... when I was doing my own research for a receiver, it became a toss up between the Denon and the HK. The HK AFAIR is the only receiver of the bunch that has pre-outs (meaning you can connect it to an external power amp if you wanted to do that kind of upgrade), plus all reviews point to the HK as being the most musical sounding.

What the Denon has going for it is more features, the most attractive one being the Audyssey room eq. HK also has an auto setup/eq feature, but it doesn't nearly sound as good as the Audyssey implementation. Also, the Denon seemed more reliable than the HK.

Have you tried auditioning the receivers you've mentioned? If you still don't have a preference after doing an A/B comparison between the Denon and the HK, I'd go with the Denon for its Audyssey. It would have more of an impact in your environment IMO.

Just my two cents (all theoretical. ^^)

Cheers!

Sir, what Denon model did you purchase?
Title: Re: Denon AVR 1910 vs Harman Kardon AVR 255 vs Onkyo TXSR607 vs Yamaha RX-V665
Post by: mike c on Sep 04, 2009 at 07:25 AM
Yamaha Pros:
-all channels pre-out
-4 HDMI inputs

Denon Pros:
-4 HDMI inputs
-Audyssey EQ

Onkyo Pros:
-5+1 HDMI inputs

HK Pros:
-looks really cool
-good resale value
-all channels pre-out
Title: Re: Denon AVR 1910 vs Harman Kardon AVR 255 vs Onkyo TXSR607 vs Yamaha RX-V665
Post by: streetsmart on Sep 04, 2009 at 07:26 AM
Hmm ... when I was doing my own research for a receiver, it became a toss up between the Denon and the HK. The HK AFAIR is the only receiver of the bunch that has pre-outs (meaning you can connect it to an external power amp if you wanted to do that kind of upgrade), plus all reviews point to the HK as being the most musical sounding.

What the Denon has going for it is more features, the most attractive one being the Audyssey room eq. HK also has an auto setup/eq feature, but it doesn't nearly sound as good as the Audyssey implementation. Also, the Denon seemed more reliable than the HK.

Have you tried auditioning the receivers you've mentioned? If you still don't have a preference after doing an A/B comparison between the Denon and the HK, I'd go with the Denon for its Audyssey. It would have more of an impact in your environment IMO.

Just my two cents (all theoretical. ^^)

Cheers!

Nice. +1
Title: Re: Denon AVR 1910 vs Harman Kardon AVR 255 vs Onkyo TXSR607 vs Yamaha RX-V665
Post by: lakambini on Sep 04, 2009 at 09:29 AM
Yamaha rx-v665 has lots/plenty of features, less-power

Denon avr1910 winner of European Imaging and Sound Association (EISA) receiver of the year, though very difficult to use (rc)

Onkyo tx-sr607 real value for money, an absolute steal, no pre-outs

Harman/Kardon aesthetically very muscular/appealing, tends to become very hot

Marantz sr5003 more inclined to music, EXPENSIVE

hope this helps,

can anyone please mpost the pricesf these receivers for easy reference?

thNKS
Title: Re: Onkyo or Denon
Post by: lakambini on Sep 04, 2009 at 09:31 AM
SINCE YOU'RE MORE INTO MOVIES, I SUggest that you get the onkyo, more affordable and easier to operate than the denon.

Sir Imerb,

update pls ano po napili/nabili nyo?

thanks
Title: Re: Denon AVR 1910 vs Harman Kardon AVR 255 vs Onkyo TXSR607 vs Yamaha RX-V665
Post by: Stark3 on Sep 04, 2009 at 10:27 AM
Sir, what Denon model did you purchase?

After doing all my research ... wala. Hahaha. I decided to go the separate pre/pro + power amp route instead. The more I researched, the more I felt that I didn't want to compromise on overall quality. Ngawa nga lang nga ang wallet ko.  :(

If I were to limit my choices to Denon receivers tho, I'd go with a used older model, preferably the Denon 2807. It may not have the latest and greatest features / bells and whistles, but it has the XT version of the Audyssey MultiEQ, and the same processing engine as the 3XXX and higher series. Pre-outs for all channels too.

Also a minor correction in my earlier post ... the Yamaha 665 also has pre outs. Thanks to mike for the correct information.

EDIT: I see that there's a Denon 3805 on sale in the marketplace. If you're willing to forego HDMI connectivity and on-board decoding of the latest lossless audio formats, this is a great find. At the price posted, it's a steal. If I hadn't made my purchase, I'd get it in a heartbeat.
Title: Re: Denon AVR 1910 vs Harman Kardon AVR 255 vs Onkyo TXSR607 vs Yamaha RX-V665
Post by: chrisrhob on Sep 04, 2009 at 10:36 AM
 :o thanks guys sa inputs ^_^ laki tulong nyo helping me decide, somehow its getting a little bit clearer now. So basically from your inputs I'm guessing all these AVRs sound good but it boils down to features nila

Im leaning towards the Denon AVR 1910 but im still a little bit intimidated on its ease of use and how to properly configure it. The hk255 having a tendency to heat up is sort of a deal breaker for me coz my location is near beach area and tends to get hot here even with AC on. Reliability is a big plus. I'll try to test these out kay avshop. Still hunting the Yamaha 665 for testing. any of you guys know where i can test out a Yamaha RX-V665?

Here are the prices btw from my canvass

Denon AVR 1910 (31,000php)
Onkyo TXSR607 (28,900php)
Yamaha RX-V665 (30,000php)
Harman Kardon AVR-255 (29,500php)

baka may mga iba dyan na alam kung saan mas mura pa pm naman  :)
Title: Re: Denon AVR 1910 vs Harman Kardon AVR 255 vs Onkyo TXSR607 vs Yamaha RX-V665
Post by: streetsmart on Sep 04, 2009 at 01:35 PM
So basically from your inputs I'm guessing all these AVRs sound good but it boils down to features nila

I actually think the Denon will sound best. Not because of its DACs or whatever, but because of the Audyssey room correction feature. Makes a huge difference in sound.
Title: Re: Denon AVR 1910 vs Harman Kardon AVR 255 vs Onkyo TXSR607 vs Yamaha RX-V665
Post by: dips15 on Sep 04, 2009 at 01:48 PM
Good thing someone brought this up.  Was considering the same models as well and has limited my options to the 1910 and the 255.  The Denon 1910 because of its features (especially auddyssey) and the HK 255 because of the reported great sound and user friendliness as well pre-outs.
Title: Re: Denon AVR 1910 vs Harman Kardon AVR 255 vs Onkyo TXSR607 vs Yamaha RX-V665
Post by: barrister on Sep 04, 2009 at 02:26 PM
Denon AVR 1910 (31,000php)
Onkyo TXSR607 (28,900php)
Yamaha RX-V665 (30,000php)
Harman Kardon AVR-255 (29,500php)

From your list, I would say the Denon is the best choice. 

Members of foreign forums say HK has heat issues; and that Onkyo has heat and buzzing issues.

Yamaha makes very reliable, trouble-free receivers, and I personally prefer the Yamaha sound, but they're not so good for 2009.  That RX-V665 is underpowered for a receiver that costs P30K.

That leaves you with the Denon. 
Title: Re: Denon AVR 1910 vs Harman Kardon AVR 255 vs Onkyo TXSR607 vs Yamaha RX-V665
Post by: dips15 on Sep 04, 2009 at 02:56 PM
When we say heat issues... obviously it gets hot, but does it also mean that it overheats, causing shutdowns, more often or do these units have a higher threshold for heat before it shuts down?
Title: Re: Denon AVR 1910 vs Harman Kardon AVR 255 vs Onkyo TXSR607 vs Yamaha RX-V665
Post by: mike c on Sep 04, 2009 at 03:16 PM
When we say heat issues... obviously it gets hot, but does it also mean that it overheats, causing shutdowns, more often or do these units have a higher threshold for heat before it shuts down?

people say that the hotter it is, the shorter the life of the equipment ... that said, i'm sure the designers took this into consideration.  i personally always use a PC fan powered by a wallwart AC to 12vDC connected to the switched outlet of the receiver and that itself is sufficient to keep the receiver very cool :)
Title: Re: Denon AVR 1910 vs Harman Kardon AVR 255 vs Onkyo TXSR607 vs Yamaha RX-V665
Post by: lakambini on Sep 04, 2009 at 03:51 PM
SIR chrisrhob,

Thanks sa pricelist, since your place is quite hot even if the airconditioner is on, I suggest that you limit your choices between the denon and yamaha. 

These two stays cool even when driven hard.  Maybe these translates to a better components inside the hood.

For sheer power and sound, whether audio or ht, get the denon.

If you prefer or like experimenting different parameters/sound characteristics, yamaha offers you plenty of these.  They are at their in ht use.

Good luck.
Title: help needed: pioneer vsx-1019 vs. denon 2310
Post by: wink on Sep 11, 2009 at 12:11 AM
I'm planning on buying a new AVR and I'm torn between a Pioneer VSX-1019 and a Denon 2310. I would appreciate your input. TIA.
Title: Re: help needed
Post by: audiojunkie on Sep 11, 2009 at 12:30 AM
I'm planning on buying a new AVR and I'm torn between a Pioneer VSX-1019 and a Denon 2310. I would appreciate your input. TIA.

I woud go for Denon...  ;D
Title: Re: help needed
Post by: CMac on Sep 11, 2009 at 12:31 AM
I'm planning on buying a new AVR and I'm torn between a Pioneer VSX-1019 and a Denon 2310. I would appreciate your input. TIA.

A good reply quoted from MikeC

Quote
one thing that helps me decide is to list the pros and cons of each receiver, but that's dependent on the user on what you think is important ... it's also easier to eliminate choices than to choose a winner.

basically, find the faults in all the receivers and eliminate the ones that you can't live with.

pros would be:
- what features you require now
- what features you will require in the future
- pre-outs

Title: Re: help needed: pioneer vsx-1019 vs. denon 2310
Post by: retro12195 on Sep 11, 2009 at 09:08 AM
I'm planning on buying a new AVR and I'm torn between a Pioneer VSX-1019 and a Denon 2310. I would appreciate your input. TIA.
DENON :D
Title: Re: help needed: pioneer vsx-1019 vs. denon 2310
Post by: jerix on Sep 11, 2009 at 02:24 PM
consider also -- PRICE  ;D
Title: Re: help needed: pioneer vsx-1019 vs. denon 2310
Post by: iiinas on Sep 11, 2009 at 03:18 PM
consider also -- PRICE  ;D

+1, but if price is not an issue, go for the denon.  :)

but to make your life harder. why only pioneer and denon. why not add yamaha, onkyo and hk into the mix.  ;D
Title: Re: help needed: pioneer vsx-1019 vs. denon 2310
Post by: streetsmart on Sep 11, 2009 at 04:12 PM
DENON!  :D
Title: Re: help needed: pioneer vsx-1019 vs. denon 2310
Post by: blackie on Sep 11, 2009 at 05:07 PM
Denon ;)
Title: Re: help needed: pioneer vsx-1019 vs. denon 2310
Post by: nogie on Sep 11, 2009 at 05:10 PM
denon! ;D

I havent tried the pioneer yet but if you can wait 'til the 29th of September darating yong Pioneer elite 81txv (older but a step-up model of 1019AH). We can compare side by side w/ Denon AVR887 (older model of the 2310, from there, me idea ka na kung mas maganda ang 2310 vs. 1019AH. Overall, (as per experience w/ denon 3806) denon is very good HT & audio receiver. Medyo mahal nga lang compared w/ other brands.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: daxbrandy on Sep 13, 2009 at 07:21 PM
Hi guys, choosing between pioneer vsx  todoroki and yamaha rx-v363. alin kaya ang better amp?.. the yamaha is more expensive than the pioneer... by the way.
Title: Re: Onkyo or Denon
Post by: chanum on Sep 14, 2009 at 02:24 PM
go for onkyo and you will never regret it.  Only try to go one step higher since 507 does pass through only on the hdmi.... go for 607 or even the 606 will be fine.

I had my Tx-sr876 with jamo C series for almost a year now and its superb for both movies and music.


Title: Re: help needed: pioneer vsx-1019 vs. denon 2310
Post by: wink on Sep 14, 2009 at 04:04 PM
+1, but if price is not an issue, go for the denon.  :)

but to make your life harder. why only pioneer and denon. why not add yamaha, onkyo and hk into the mix.  ;D

Sir, what models you could recommend from the other brands you mentioned with a 50k budget? The Pioneer costs $500 in the US but it costs 40k here and I could get the Denon at 47k.
Title: Re: help needed: pioneer vsx-1019 vs. denon 2310
Post by: iiinas on Sep 14, 2009 at 04:34 PM
Sir, what models you could recommend from the other brands you mentioned with a 50k budget? The Pioneer costs $500 in the US but it costs 40k here and I could get the Denon at 47k.

as i said, if money is no object, i would get the denon. since the other brand's mid to high end model would also fall into the 50-70k range. the 2310 is no slouch. i am just not sure if the 2310 has pre-outs (which can enable you to connect to an external amplifier in the future). the onkyo 806 has pre-outs and i think would be at the same price range as the 2310. but if the 2310 has pre-outs. go with denon.

btw, what speakers are you going to get. matching of avr and speakers is also another thing you have to think about. known avr - speaker match are: yamaha & wharfedale, onkyo & mission. although its not a done thing, but those combo has been very satisfying to a lot of our members here.  :)
Title: Re: help needed: pioneer vsx-1019 vs. denon 2310
Post by: vulture on Sep 14, 2009 at 04:45 PM
 Mag Denon ka na dre! the pure direck of Denon Hanep Talaga Laki ng improvement!
 call this no:2322767

Thanks!
Title: Re: help needed: pioneer vsx-1019 vs. denon 2310
Post by: wink on Sep 14, 2009 at 07:19 PM
as i said, if money is no object, i would get the denon. since the other brand's mid to high end model would also fall into the 50-70k range. the 2310 is no slouch. i am just not sure if the 2310 has pre-outs (which can enable you to connect to an external amplifier in the future). the onkyo 806 has pre-outs and i think would be at the same price range as the 2310. but if the 2310 has pre-outs. go with denon.

btw, what speakers are you going to get. matching of avr and speakers is also another thing you have to think about. known avr - speaker match are: yamaha & wharfedale, onkyo & mission. although its not a done thing, but those combo has been very satisfying to a lot of our members here.  :)

I'm planning to buy B & W speakers. From the UK forums I read, the 2310 has no pre-outs.   
Title: Re: help needed: pioneer vsx-1019 vs. denon 2310
Post by: blued888 on Sep 14, 2009 at 08:15 PM
I'm planning to buy B & W speakers. From the UK forums I read, the 2310 has no pre-outs.   

Asian version has pre-outs, I think. avshop can confirm this for you.
Title: Re: help needed: pioneer vsx-1019 vs. denon 2310
Post by: avshop on Sep 14, 2009 at 09:41 PM
Asian version has pre-outs, I think. avshop can confirm this for you.

the 2310 has pre outs based on the catalog. Ill check the actual unit. But afaik, it has pre outs. I can also give great deals on b&w speakers. :)
Title: Re: Onkyo or Denon
Post by: Beefy on Sep 15, 2009 at 11:45 AM
go for onkyo and you will never regret it.  Only try to go one step higher since 507 does pass through only on the hdmi.... go for 607 or even the 606 will be fine.

I had my Tx-sr876 with jamo C series for almost a year now and its superb for both movies and music.




The onkyo 507 has HDMI 1.3a repeater and not pass through.

On top of my head, Onkyo 507 over Denon 1610:
- 80watts/ch vs denon 75watts/ch
- 4 HDMI ports vs 3
- HDMI port is already CEC
- Learning remote

Denon 1610 over onkyo 507:
- Audyssey MultiEQ vs Onkyo Audyssey 2EQ
- Dolby pro logic IIz - although you need a seperate amp for this
- Analog input


Title: Re: help needed: pioneer vsx-1019 vs. denon 2310
Post by: 5Speed on Sep 15, 2009 at 05:54 PM
Denon!!!

Denon 2xxx series and up are all made in japan.... The quality is really good.

Denon is good in Audio...especially from their 28xx and up model (AL24 audio processing) Pure Direct mode in 2-channel listening is really good.

Title: Re: Onkyo or Denon
Post by: chanum on Sep 16, 2009 at 06:22 PM
The onkyo 507 has HDMI 1.3a repeater and not pass through.

You are right about hdmi1.3a enhancment from its predecessor 506 (using hdmi1.3 only) but defintely it is still pass through since it doesn't upscale or upconvert your SD source to HD unlike the higher entry level of Onkyo which uses foroujah DCDi (606 and 607 has Analog to HDMI video upconversion by Faroujda DCDi) or the HQV reon-VX chps from the 876, 905 and 906.

What the 507 does is repeats the signal from your HD source to your compatible HDTV.

But still, HDMI 1.3a also enables you to enjoy the pristine “lossless” audio of Dolby® TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio™, as well as secondary audio on Blu-ray Disc via DTS-HD Express

just my 2 cents IMHO :)
Title: Re: Onkyo or Denon
Post by: Onkyo606 on Sep 17, 2009 at 01:05 AM
baka makadagdag sa decision making. I used to have yamaha then got the chance to get the anniv series onkyo 604 paired with jamo 606 and i must say it changed the way i viewed onkyo i really love the sound especially with movies. just recently about 3 months, i got an onkyo606 after reading lots and lots of thread. im using diamond series all through out 9.5 front, 9cs, 9dfs and 9.1 and im very happy with it. the reviews and forums were never wrong although i must admit it sounds better for movies than music(review says it that way really) but im very happy with the movie set up. the explosion scenes are really lifelike and the very powerful as if it explodes inside the room. im sure the higher models that our fellow ht people in this thread would even sound more superior than 606 but for starters 606 really provides high satsifaction.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: chanum on Sep 17, 2009 at 03:27 PM
baka makadagdag sa decision making. I used to have yamaha then got the chance to get the anniv series onkyo 604 paired with jamo 606 and i must say it changed the way i viewed onkyo i really love the sound especially with movies. just recently about 3 months, i got an onkyo606 after reading lots and lots of thread. im using diamond series all through out 9.5 front, 9cs, 9dfs and 9.1 and im very happy with it. the reviews and forums were never wrong although i must admit it sounds better for movies than music(review says it that way really) but im very happy with the movie set up. the explosion scenes are really lifelike and the very powerful as if it explodes inside the room. im sure the higher models that our fellow ht people in this thread would even sound more superior than 606 but for starters 606 really provides high satsifaction.

Very well said bro... ;)

Enjoy
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: mykel18 on Sep 21, 2009 at 11:27 AM
Need your inputs on what receiver to pair a Polk Audio RTi a7.

Recommended amp power: 20-300w per channel

2 channel setup lang gagawin ko (more on music kasi). I prefer a receiver that has a treble and bass control. No sub will be used din kasi. Harman Kardon ang first choice ko kaso 120w per channel na ang pinakamataas na nakita ko.

Any recommendations/comment/suggestions would be of great help. More power guys!
Title: Re: Denon AVR 1910 vs Harman Kardon AVR 255 vs Onkyo TXSR607 vs Yamaha RX-V665
Post by: nogie on Sep 21, 2009 at 01:09 PM
people say that the hotter it is, the shorter the life of the equipment ... that said, i'm sure the designers took this into consideration.  i personally always use a PC fan powered by a wallwart AC to 12vDC connected to the switched outlet of the receiver and that itself is sufficient to keep the receiver very cool :)

Hi Mike! How do you make this work? Where can I buy wallwart AC to power-up PC fan? Of all the (9) receivers I owned, the onkyo(804) is pretty "HOT" that I can't even touch it after 2 hours of playing. Hindi naman nagshut-shot off, I even torture test it 4 hours straight, i am just worried.  ;D
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: avshop on Sep 21, 2009 at 02:09 PM
Need your inputs on what receiver to pair a Polk Audio RTi a7.

Recommended amp power: 20-300w per channel

2 channel setup lang gagawin ko (more on music kasi). I prefer a receiver that has a treble and bass control. No sub will be used din kasi. Harman Kardon ang first choice ko kaso 120w per channel na ang pinakamataas na nakita ko.

Any recommendations/comment/suggestions would be of great help. More power guys!


the rti a7 sounds very good with the hk 3490. :)
Title: Denon 1610 or Yamaha 465?
Post by: despiopat on Sep 22, 2009 at 10:33 PM
Which is a better entry-level receiver, Yamaha RX-V465 or Denon 1610? I'm a HT newbie, and would like to get your inputs.

Also, which bang-for-the-buck speakers would you recommend for these? I prefer speakers that can be mounted on the wall.

Thanks in advance!
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: tein on Sep 22, 2009 at 10:38 PM
try denon and wharfedale combo
Title: Re: Denon AVR 1910 vs Harman Kardon AVR 255 vs Onkyo TXSR607 vs Yamaha RX-V665
Post by: blued888 on Sep 23, 2009 at 11:55 AM
Hi Mike! How do you make this work? Where can I buy wallwart AC to power-up PC fan? Of all the (9) receivers I owned, the onkyo(804) is pretty "HOT" that I can't even touch it after 2 hours of playing. Hindi naman nagshut-shot off, I even torture test it 4 hours straight, i am just worried.  ;D

This is usually available with USB-to-SATA adapters for hard disks. I believe you can also purchase this wallwart AC to 12vdc from TipidPC and possibly CD-R King (parang meron kasi lahat ng gamit dun, kaya it's worth a check).
Title: Re: Denon AVR 1910 vs Harman Kardon AVR 255 vs Onkyo TXSR607 vs Yamaha RX-V665
Post by: nogie on Sep 23, 2009 at 12:01 PM
This is usually available with USB-to-SATA adapters for hard disks. I believe you can also purchase this wallwart AC to 12vdc from TipidPC and possibly CD-R King (parang meron kasi lahat ng gamit dun, kaya it's worth a check).

Thanks sir! Dadaan ako mamayang gabi sa cdrking. Medyo mahirap lang kasing mag-explain sa saleslady lalo na pag technical yong tinatanong mo. ;D
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: ayosbathere on Sep 30, 2009 at 10:40 AM
I'm looking for AVR both good Music and Movies where audio/music audio output +30% better than movies audio. and AVR has features in converting the component analog into HD 1080p

Which is good to buy Denon 1910 vs HK 355?

may speaker are MonitorAudio B2 (surround), B4 (front), BCLR (center) and Velo CHT10

I need your advice..

Thanks & Mabuhay PinoyDVD!!!!!
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: streetsmart on Sep 30, 2009 at 11:07 AM
DENON!  :)
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: ayosbathere on Oct 01, 2009 at 07:15 AM
DENON!  :)

why denon 1910 over HK 355? what are the best factor and the pros & cons?

Thanks!!!
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: streetsmart on Oct 01, 2009 at 07:20 AM
why denon 1910 over HK 355? what are the best factor and the pros & cons?

Thanks!!!

The Audyssey MultEQ room correction technology. It's like magic. Read about the technology at the Audyssey website.
Title: Is it worth the extra bucks?
Post by: anchit on Oct 02, 2009 at 07:48 PM
Im thinking of replacing my Yamaha 363 with a Denon 1610. Both entry level AVRs, cheapest sa brands nila. But the 363 is just 14k and the Denon is 21k. The latter has HD hd audio pero si yammy pass thru lang. I think same lang ang power output nila, 75w.

Denon's Audyssey is a superior speaker/roomn correction feature versus Yamaha's YPAO.

Am i missing a lot kung si Yamaha ko is just video/audio passthru lang? Tama ba na upscaler na din si 1610?

Thanks a lot! ( kamot kamot  ;D )
Title: Re: Is it worth the extra bucks?
Post by: iiinas on Oct 02, 2009 at 08:36 PM
Im thinking of replacing my Yamaha 363 with a Denon 1610. Both entry level AVRs, cheapest sa brands nila. But the 363 is just 14k and the Denon is 21k. The latter has HD hd audio pero si yammy pass thru lang. I think same lang ang power output nila, 75w.

Denon's Audyssey is a superior speaker/roomn correction feature versus Yamaha's YPAO.

Am i missing a lot kung si Yamaha ko is just video/audio passthru lang? Tama ba na upscaler na din si 1610?

Thanks a lot! ( kamot kamot  ;D )

brader,

try mo ito:

onkyo 606 110 volts http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php?topic=100754.0 (http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php?topic=100754.0)

onkyo 605 240 volts http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php?topic=102448.0 (http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php?topic=102448.0)

both are 20k. not the latest 6 series (607 ang latest) but in my opinion definitely better than the 1610 in features. also have audyssey.
Title: Re: Is it worth the extra bucks?
Post by: streetsmart on Oct 02, 2009 at 08:40 PM
Im thinking of replacing my Yamaha 363 with a Denon 1610. Both entry level AVRs, cheapest sa brands nila. But the 363 is just 14k and the Denon is 21k. The latter has HD hd audio pero si yammy pass thru lang. I think same lang ang power output nila, 75w.

Denon's Audyssey is a superior speaker/roomn correction feature versus Yamaha's YPAO.

Am i missing a lot kung si Yamaha ko is just video/audio passthru lang? Tama ba na upscaler na din si 1610?

Thanks a lot! ( kamot kamot  ;D )
brader,

try mo ito:

onkyo 606 110 volts http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php?topic=100754.0 (http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php?topic=100754.0)

onkyo 605 240 volts http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php?topic=102448.0 (http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php?topic=102448.0)

both are 20k. not the latest 6 series (607 ang latest) but in my opinion definitely better than the 1610 in features. also have audyssey.

Between the 1610 and the Yammy, I'd probably choose the Yammy. Not worth the price difference. D ko lang sure sa suggestion ni Iiinas on the Onkyo.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: ayosbathere on Oct 03, 2009 at 04:11 PM
meron ba on screen TV menu ang Denon 1910?

how true it's really hard to setup the Denon 1910? most of the review esp sa cnet mahirap daw e setup.

Thanks!
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: avshop on Oct 04, 2009 at 01:01 AM
meron ba on screen TV menu ang Denon 1910?

how true it's really hard to setup the Denon 1910? most of the review esp sa cnet mahirap daw e setup.

Thanks!

it has on screen menu. hindi nga lang GUI. it's a little complicated to set up but i wouldn't say na mahirap. :)
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: ayosbathere on Oct 05, 2009 at 03:29 PM
we're done in our avr audition yesterday.

yong wala sa list ko.. yon pa ang nakuha ko. Kakagulat nga eh our vote goes to Onkyo 607

iba talaga pag nag audition :)

Thanks DOM!!!!
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: GuyChan on Oct 05, 2009 at 05:02 PM
we're done in our avr audition yesterday.

yong wala sa list ko.. yon pa ang nakuha ko. Kakagulat nga eh our vote goes to Onkyo 607

iba talaga pag nag audition :)

Thanks DOM!!!!


Sent you a PM. THank you in advance.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Bogsle on Oct 11, 2009 at 01:18 AM
I'm looking for AVR both good Music and Movies where audio/music audio output +30% better than movies audio. and AVR has features in converting the component analog into HD 1080p

Which is good to buy Denon 1910 vs HK 355?

may speaker are MonitorAudio B2 (surround), B4 (front), BCLR (center) and Velo CHT10

I need your advice..

Thanks & Mabuhay PinoyDVD!!!!!


HK AVR 355.

Like your speakers, mine are all the same brand and series so they should be timbre-mached already.

Then I do my own calibrations using AVIA and SPL meter.

Sweet and powerful, that is what HK is.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Onkyo606 on Oct 11, 2009 at 01:39 AM
sir nogie now ko lang nakita yung question mo sa fan. im using ONKYO 606 and all the reviews are telling na it really gets hot but i still proceeded getting this one over YAMAHA 663 and I think DENON 1910. Whta I did is buy a small exhaust fan from DEECO for about 170 pesos. The fan does not sound loud and not annoying and with this, I can keep the ONKYO temperature in check. Di na sya umiinit. I spoke with ym friend who owns and AV shop, apparently, the 606 has a built in protection for overheating and im not sure how but he says it comes with a cooling system that gets activated when it needs to be. I did not check it though becuase the exhaust fans I bought does the trick already.

I git intereseted in your SONY because ots a higher model though hehehehehe.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: lakambini on Oct 21, 2009 at 04:24 PM
sir nogie now ko lang nakita yung question mo sa fan. im using ONKYO 606 and all the reviews are telling na it really gets hot but i still proceeded getting this one over YAMAHA 663 and I think DENON 1910. Whta I did is buy a small exhaust fan from DEECO for about 170 pesos. The fan does not sound loud and not annoying and with this, I can keep the ONKYO temperature in check. Di na sya umiinit. I spoke with ym friend who owns and AV shop, apparently, the 606 has a built in protection for overheating and im not sure how but he says it comes with a cooling system that gets activated when it needs to be. I did not check it though becuase the exhaust fans I bought does the trick already.

I git intereseted in your SONY because ots a higher model though hehehehehe.

Sir

The 606 has a 2 built-in fans that activate whenever the temperature inside becomes hot due to poor ventilation.  It blows the heat out of the amplifier, that's why if you'll notice, the top of the 606 is usually hotter as compared to other AVRs, it's not that they use inferior parts inside, but that's just the way they design to dissipate the heat inside of their receivers.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: sonofgtg on Nov 19, 2009 at 11:31 PM
hi mga sir, ok po ba yung reciver na akai 4300?for ps3 and dvd videoke sana..malakas na kaya output nito? eto po yung link: http://www.akai.com/product_detail.asp?id=3&id2=17&id3=54 (http://www.akai.com/product_detail.asp?id=3&id2=17&id3=54)  thank you..
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: javauser on Nov 29, 2009 at 03:06 PM
denon 1910 or onkyo 607?

may onscreen menu ba onkyo 607?
i heard that denon 1910 has better upscaling than onlyo 607. how true is this?

sa mga nakapag-audition ng 2 units na ito. which one is better?

i own 5.1 bookshelf Mission speakers.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: gutierrez on Nov 30, 2009 at 09:40 AM
denon 1910 or onkyo 607?

may onscreen menu ba onkyo 607?
i heard that denon 1910 has better upscaling than onlyo 607. how true is this?

sa mga nakapag-audition ng 2 units na ito. which one is better?

i own 5.1 bookshelf Mission speakers.

I'm using Onkyo 606 with mission floorstander.  Picked this over Denon.
Title: Help me to decide what Receiver will i buy.
Post by: smitfraud on Dec 11, 2009 at 11:08 PM
Need yur help to decide what receiver will i buy. I am newbie in HT.

Denon 1509  -Price P18700

Surround amplifier, 7x90W, 43.5x17.4x37.7 cm, 11.4 kg, Type: Surround, Power Output: 7x90W, Impedance: 8 ohm, Radio type: AM/FM/XM-Ready, Satellite Radio Ready: XM Ready, Radio presets: 40, DTS HD, Dolby Digital Plus 7.1

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Yamaha RX-V 365-   P16500

RX-V365 receiver from Yamaha features "5.1" channels of audio output for a true surround-sound experience right in your home. The "5" in "5.1" refers to the five main audio channels — center channel for dialogue, right- and left-front and right- and left-rear channels for enveloping audio effects. The ".1" refers to the non-powered LFE or Low Frequency Effects channel which provides audio content to your subwoofer for deep, rumbling bass performance. Delivering 100W of power to each channel — for a grand total of 500W of output power — your RX-V365 is equipped to surround you with your favorite music or movie soundtrack.
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Onkyo 307-Price P15300

A/V Surround Receiver featuring HD Video connectivity, to enhance your level of entertainment pleasure. 
 The AVR-1509 monitors the structural elements of sound sources and uses Audyssey Dynamic Volume to adjust volume without sacrificing dynamic range. 
 This A/V receiver masterfully controls a variety of media for optimum playback of high-quality audio and video content. 
 Discrete 5-ch Power amplifier with 110W per channel (6 ohms) 
 Audyssey Dynamic Volume and Dynamic EQ 
 2x HDMI inputs (pass through) 
 Versatile Entertainment Functions
Title: Re: Help me to decide what Receiver will i buy.
Post by: markcrenz on Dec 11, 2009 at 11:25 PM
of those three i'd choose the onkyo for its discreet amplification and audyssey functions, 2 features not in the other two. don't rely too much on the power specs.

i noticed you had earlier similar inquiries, you might also want to review the replies especially those from our gurus & legends here at pdvd. many have already given their golden pieces of advice.

happy hunting!
Title: Re: Help me to decide what Receiver will i buy.
Post by: smitfraud on Dec 11, 2009 at 11:59 PM
of those three i'd choose the onkyo for its discreet amplification and audyssey functions, 2 features not in the other two. don't rely too much on the power specs.

i noticed you had earlier similar inquiries, you might also want to review the replies especially those from our gurus & legends here at pdvd. many have already given their golden pieces of advice.

happy hunting!
Salamat Sir sa feedback. this will help.  :)
Title: Re: Help me to decide what Receiver will i buy.
Post by: iiinas on Dec 12, 2009 at 06:28 AM
onkyo user here. nothing beats onkyo when it comes to feature - price ratio. and it performs well too. based on the post you made i have to agree with sir mark. the onkyo is the best bet, its even the cheapest.  ;)
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: avshop on Dec 13, 2009 at 11:38 PM
the new hk avr 160 now available for audition. :)
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: pchin on Dec 14, 2009 at 07:52 AM
The Audyssey MultEQ room correction technology. It's like magic. Read about the technology at the Audyssey website.

Sounds great. Very soon I will have to join the bandwagon. :)
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: gisan925 on Dec 17, 2009 at 01:18 AM
mag Onkyo na tayong lahat! ;-)
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: smitfraud on Dec 17, 2009 at 03:40 AM
Kabibili ko lang ng tr 307...ang saya
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: vhonn on Dec 19, 2009 at 12:42 PM
tol smitfraud, san mo nabili ang tr307 mo? dun sa suki ko ng audio store mahal pa kahit ayong yammy 365.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: markcrenz on Dec 19, 2009 at 12:55 PM
Kabibili ko lang ng tr 307...ang saya
congrats sir!
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: smitfraud on Dec 20, 2009 at 11:31 PM
tol smitfraud, san mo nabili ang tr307 mo? dun sa suki ko ng audio store mahal pa kahit ayong yammy 365.
Sa listening room sa mega mall..
Title: Pioneer 819 or Yamaha 365?
Post by: mars on Jan 04, 2010 at 12:40 PM
Hi guys,

I know the term "better" is subjective. Pero tanong ko na lang din, alin sa dalawa Pioneer 819 and Yamaha 365) ang mas preferrable for movies (80%) and music (20%)? Price difference is not big (the Yamaha being more expensive by only PHP 1,500). As expected kasi, sabi ng mga promo guys nila, mas maganda ang kani-kaniyang brand.
Title: Re: Pioneer 819 or Yamaha 365?
Post by: markcrenz on Jan 04, 2010 at 01:38 PM
i think the pioneer is better with its built in Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio decoding. the claimed power is also bigger (though this is not a good indication in itself). the yamaha is lighter by a kilo, and has spring clips for speaker terminals, indicating a  less robust construction. price- and feature-wise the pioneer wins, but the last deciding factor would be how it sounds to you. however, at the price range of these receivers, there won't be much difference in sound quality.
Title: Re: Pioneer 819 or Yamaha 365?
Post by: mars on Jan 04, 2010 at 01:44 PM
Thanks sir. The price difference doesn't matter to me as di naman masyadong malaki. Hindi lang kasi magandang mag audition sa SM Davao kasi maingay and they don't have a place for auditioning equipment kaya I'm asking for opinions for those who have these equipment.
Title: Re: Pioneer 819 or Yamaha 365?
Post by: hyperpath27 on Jan 04, 2010 at 02:40 PM
Im using now a yamaha 365 paired w/ wharfedale 9.5 floorstander. So far I'm still satisfied with their performance  :D

Watching MKV's with my HTPC (through optical)
Watching Movies & Concert
Videoke
Listening Music (Cd's, mp3 & FM)


Let your ears decide bro  ;)
Title: Re: Pioneer 819 or Yamaha 365?
Post by: mars on Jan 04, 2010 at 03:38 PM
Thanks bro.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: ment on Jan 08, 2010 at 07:54 AM
HELP suggest onkyo 607 or Denon 1910?
both are 90 watts/channel @8ohms

To be paired with polks audio TSI speakers
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: textmailbox on Jan 13, 2010 at 05:29 PM
Watch out guys... Sakura maybe cheaper but interesting.

http://www.sakura.com.ph
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Onkyo606 on Jan 13, 2010 at 10:42 PM
HELP suggest onkyo 607 or Denon 1910?
both are 90 watts/channel @8ohms

To be paired with polks audio TSI speakers

suggest you audition using your speakers, some people would say one thing or the otehr but nothing beats your own ear hearing the sound from the two options you are considering ;)
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: John E. on Jan 17, 2010 at 03:29 AM
HELP suggest onkyo 607 or Denon 1910?
both are 90 watts/channel @8ohms

To be paired with polks audio TSI speakers

any updates ment? what did you get?
Title: Re: Pioneer 819 or Yamaha 365?
Post by: Othan on Jan 26, 2010 at 08:43 AM
Hi guys,

I know the term "better" is subjective. Pero tanong ko na lang din, alin sa dalawa Pioneer 819 and Yamaha 365) ang mas preferrable for movies (80%) and music (20%)? Price difference is not big (the Yamaha being more expensive by only PHP 1,500). As expected kasi, sabi ng mga promo guys nila, mas maganda ang kani-kaniyang brand.

are you sure its pioneer 819?  fromwhere i canvassed, yamaha 365 costs about P18500, pioneer 819 costs about P22T-P24T.  if yamaha costs higher by about P1500 campared to pioneer, you're probably referring to pioneer 519 which costs P15990.  but if you're really sure that its pioneer 819, where did you find such unit?  ;D
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: bebot santos on Feb 05, 2010 at 04:03 PM
sadfully, Ive an TSDX-838 Onkyo, it was already been repaired vefore and the reason is "PROTECT" after a year with out even using it, it broke down again, this time No Display, meaning no power, I wonder tis is happening on this model. this is an Intergra model, I feel Im wasting my money for the cost of repair on this model, now I am thinking not to buy an Onkyo brand.

gurus, please enlighten me  :D
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: blackie on Feb 17, 2010 at 08:03 AM
sadfully, Ive an TSDX-838 Onkyo, it was already been repaired vefore and the reason is "PROTECT" after a year with out even using it, it broke down again, this time No Display, meaning no power, I wonder tis is happening on this model. this is an Intergra model, I feel Im wasting my money for the cost of repair on this model, now I am thinking not to buy an Onkyo brand.

gurus, please enlighten me  :D
Might be an isolated case Sir,

Many proud members of Onkyo here.  T'was also a major consideration when I was looking for a receiver. Sad to hear what you have to spend on reapirs.  Good luck on your next receiver if you do choose to get one :)
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: nogie on Feb 17, 2010 at 09:43 AM
sadfully, Ive an TSDX-838 Onkyo, it was already been repaired vefore and the reason is "PROTECT" after a year with out even using it, it broke down again, this time No Display, meaning no power, I wonder tis is happening on this model. this is an Intergra model, I feel Im wasting my money for the cost of repair on this model, now I am thinking not to buy an Onkyo brand.

gurus, please enlighten me  :D

Matibay ang Onkyo at sa katunayan yan ang unang receiver ko 10 years ago at hanggang ngayon buhay na buhay pa. Nagkataon lang siguro sir na hindi nakita ng repair shop yong defect kaya nasira ulit.  ;)
Title: Re: Pioneer 819 or Yamaha 365?
Post by: mars on Feb 24, 2010 at 02:59 PM
are you sure its pioneer 819?  fromwhere i canvassed, yamaha 365 costs about P18500, pioneer 819 costs about P22T-P24T.  if yamaha costs higher by about P1500 campared to pioneer, you're probably referring to pioneer 519 which costs P15990.  but if you're really sure that its pioneer 819, where did you find such unit?  ;D

Sa SM appliance center davao. They had it on sale back then. Isang unit na lang daw kasi sabi ng salesman.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: questforthegoodlife on Feb 27, 2010 at 08:45 AM
http://gizmodo.com/5480790/av-receiver-battlemodo-600-or-bust

Guys! gizmodo did a AV receiver review of 4 $600 receivers. Pioneer comes out on top, then Onkyo, followed by Denon, with Yamaha at dead last.

You might want to check out the link above.

Also can somebody tell me where i can buy this particular model ==> Pioneer VSX-1019AH-K

thanks!
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: vx2 on Feb 27, 2010 at 10:13 AM

(http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/4/2010/02/battlemodo-medals.png)
(http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/4/2010/02/battlemodo-chart.png)

para mas mabilis din ;D
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: questforthegoodlife on Feb 27, 2010 at 01:02 PM
haha! thanks dude
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: nogie on Feb 27, 2010 at 01:41 PM
I have a Pioneer Elite VSX-81TXV circa 2007 receiver, same league as the Onkyo TX-SR 805 but priced at the level of Onkyo TX-SR875. I agree with the review, Pioneers are good AVRs kaya lang masyadong mahal lalo na Elite models... with it's price mas marami ka ng pagpipilian na maganda ang features.  ;D

Pwede nyong audition sa place ko on how a Pioneer Elite model would sound compared to the more popular brand/s here in RP.  ;D

 
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: John E. on Mar 02, 2010 at 10:02 AM
around 3 years ago when i was looking into buying my first a/v receiver i went to pioneer west ave. the sales guy told me that he would'nt recommend their a/v receivers over yamaha and onkyo and referred me to tayoma west ave.

i guess they've beefed up and improve their a'v receivers over the years!

for me all those top brands are winners!  :)
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: vx2 on Mar 02, 2010 at 03:52 PM
It might help those looking to upgrade receivers or get one with fully 3D-specs that Pioneer has announced VSX-520-K and VSX-820-K receivers 5.1 receivers.

And the best part?

$229 for the 520 and $299 for the 820  :o :o :o

http://eon.businesswire.com/portal/site/eon/permalink/?ndmViewId=news_view&newsId=20100301006758&newsLang=en

(http://mms.businesswire.com/bwapps/mediaserver/ViewMedia?mgid=217558&vid=5&download=1)
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Othan on Mar 03, 2010 at 01:47 PM
i'm excited with pioneer's latest AVRs, i just don't know regarding the HDMI 1.4.  i've been looking at the picture of the back of this vsx-520 and saw 4 HDMIs (3 in, 1 out), now i'm wondering where's the 1.4?  i thought the 1.4 plug is smaller in size, yet i see regular sized HDMI ports  ???
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: iiinas on Mar 03, 2010 at 03:55 PM
i'm excited with pioneer's latest AVRs, i just don't know regarding the HDMI 1.4.  i've been looking at the picture of the back of this vsx-520 and saw 4 HDMIs (3 in, 1 out), now i'm wondering where's the 1.4?  i thought the 1.4 plug is smaller in size, yet i see regular sized HDMI ports  ???

1.4 is the specification number of hdmi. before this we are onto hdmi 1.3a,b & c. the 1.4 spec'ed will be the latest and is the one being touted as 3d ready. but i believe the size and shape of the male plug and female socket remains the same. this is the type "a" connector, the small one you are saying is the type "c" connector more commonly seen on dlsr or hd camcorders, but this can also be spec'ed 1.3 or 1.4 (in the future).

you can get it all here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HDMI (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HDMI)

Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Othan on Mar 03, 2010 at 04:25 PM
vsx-520, come to papi  ;D  the only hindrance would be the price when these machines comes to our shores, sana around 18-20K lang para masaya  ;)

or sana bumaba pa price ng vsx-519 then ipon na lang for 3d projector  ;D
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: jpjnicdao on Mar 22, 2010 at 07:21 PM
Hi All,

Need help.  Im really undecided which to get. Pls enlighten me on which is the better one.

I'm only new to this and dont want to spend to much as i will just be using once a week.

Im choosing between denon's 1610 or onkyos's 507.

Planning to use  wharfdale 9.1 and 9cs, plus dynaquest dq 12 which is now branded as Konzert.

For surrounds i will be using old speakers for the meantime and buy whardale floorstanders and use the 9.1 for surrounds.

I will be using it mostly for movies, around 80%-20% or 90%-10% movies vs music.

Also considering after sales service.  pls share your inputs on which will sound better and  will have better features all in all.

Thanks in advance...

Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Onkyo606 on Mar 23, 2010 at 02:29 AM
Hi All,

Need help.  Im really undecided which to get. Pls enlighten me on which is the better one.

I'm only new to this and dont want to spend to much as i will just be using once a week.

Im choosing between denon's 1610 or onkyos's 507.

Planning to use  wharfdale 9.1 and 9cs, plus dynaquest dq 12 which is now branded as Konzert.

For surrounds i will be using old speakers for the meantime and buy whardale floorstanders and use the 9.1 for surrounds.

I will be using it mostly for movies, around 80%-20% or 90%-10% movies vs music.

Also considering after sales service.  pls share your inputs on which will sound better and  will have better features all in all.

Thanks in advance...



you have to set your priorities in trying to compare the two receivers you have mentioned. com paring them wihtout paramteres will be difficult, i.e HDMI inputs, outputs, upscaling, power, build quality, appearance, ease of use, remote controls among others. off course the part that matters most is the sound quality, which can only be determined by auditioning

if i will be the one to respond, being an Onkyo user, I will be biased to onkyo 507 although the lower model may not be able to provide you a very good audio SQ. I was bale to listen to a 1610 and I must say the audio SQ is really good.
Title: Harman Kardon AVR130 or AVR3000
Post by: aragorn on Mar 27, 2010 at 07:13 PM
Which is better?? Which do you recommend??

AVR 130 or the AVR 3000

price is almost the same....

Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: audible illusions on Apr 23, 2010 at 01:56 PM
try to search NAD receiver they have a new model its a 7chanel and its already trueHD the model is NAD T747. you can check it out in our store located at #50-d timog ave qc and you can also call us at 374-36-20... thanks ;)
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: jedi on May 02, 2010 at 10:30 AM
Can you please PM me the price of the NAD T747 AVR?  Might me interested.  Thanks.
Title: Onkyo 608 or 707
Post by: dannielsimone on Jul 29, 2010 at 06:44 PM
Anyone have experience with these two units? I Have been reading reviews for last three weeks and they are both highly touted.  Would love to hear your personal comments.

Thanx for reading and sharing!
Title: Re: Onkyo 608 or 707
Post by: musika on Jul 30, 2010 at 04:23 PM
same banana but 608 has a 1.4 version hdmi i go for it. But last time i've check, out of stock. hehe
Title: Re: Onkyo 608 or 707
Post by: wacksy1021 on Jul 30, 2010 at 07:04 PM
Anyone have experience with these two units? I Have been reading reviews for last three weeks and they are both highly touted.  Would love to hear your personal comments.

Thanx for reading and sharing!

please refer to the link below:

http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,52421.1530.html (http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,52421.1530.html)
Title: Re: Onkyo 608 or 707
Post by: lakambini on Aug 01, 2010 at 05:17 PM
anyone knows the prices of both items?
Title: Re: Onkyo 608 or 707
Post by: wacksy1021 on Aug 02, 2010 at 12:06 AM
Got my 608 for 30.8k in Toyama west ave.
Title: Re: Onkyo 608 or 707
Post by: nusmag on Aug 05, 2010 at 06:44 AM
Purchased my 608 for 30k at LIS, EDSA Shang
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: redleobordeaux on Aug 22, 2010 at 09:52 PM
pls help, i'm a newbie. planning to buy wharfedale10.1/10.2, 10.cs/10.cm, 10sr. sub would be mirage omni s10.
my budget is tight, am looking for price range of 15-25k avr. yamaha/denon/hk/onkyo? model?
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: avshop on Aug 23, 2010 at 06:58 PM
pls help, i'm a newbie. planning to buy wharfedale10.1/10.2, 10.cs/10.cm, 10sr. sub would be mirage omni s10.
my budget is tight, am looking for price range of 15-25k avr. yamaha/denon/hk/onkyo? model?

go for the hk 160. :)
Title: Re: Onkyo 608 or 707
Post by: dannielsimone on Aug 27, 2010 at 06:25 PM
Purchased my 608 for 30k at LIS, EDSA Shang

Thats a great price.  Is it 110V?  whats the waranty? What color is it?
Title: Re: Onkyo 608 or 707
Post by: iiinas on Aug 27, 2010 at 06:59 PM
Anyone have experience with these two units? I Have been reading reviews for last three weeks and they are both highly touted.  Would love to hear your personal comments.

Thanx for reading and sharing!

major advantage of 608 vs 707 = hdmi 1.4a spec'ed, which means you can be do 3d switching in the future. is this important. if in the future, you will have multi-source that are 3d capable. you might want this. but without this feature, you can still be able to do 3d by having a 3d capable panel and a 3d capable source (3d capable bd player, media player or htpc) just hook the hdmi from player to panel and your good to go.

major advantages of 707 vs 608 = 1.) audyssey multi-eq (2q only for 608), very big difference in sq once you have used this feature. calibrating using audyssey is the standard for auto sound calibration. multi-eq allows for more mic placements than the 2eq meaning the receiver will have a more accurate measurement of your room's acoustic nuances and adjust the eq accordingly to make the sq better than a non calibrated or 2 eq'ed room. 2.) seven (7) channel pre-outs (sub pre-out only for 608), power has always been one of the major secrets into getting great sq whether for ht or audio. once you have realized that you need more power in the future. the 707 will allow you to hook up into an external power amp to power your speakers and just use the receiver as a pre-amp/processor. this is big. this is also what separates mid/high end from the entry level.

imho. i would get the 707 anytime vs the 608. unless you go straight up to the 708 to also get the 3d hdmi switching capability. but if money is tight. 707 is the monster you should get.  :)
Title: Re: Onkyo 608 or 707
Post by: dannielsimone on Aug 27, 2010 at 10:23 PM
major advantage of 608 vs 707 = hdmi 1.4a spec'ed, which means you can be do 3d switching in the future. is this important. if in the future, you will have multi-source that are 3d capable. you might want this. but without this feature, you can still be able to do 3d by having a 3d capable panel and a 3d capable source (3d capable bd player, media player or htpc) just hook the hdmi from player to panel and your good to go.

major advantages of 707 vs 608 = 1.) audyssey multi-eq (2q only for 608), very big difference in sq once you have used this feature. calibrating using audyssey is the standard for auto sound calibration. multi-eq allows for more mic placements than the 2eq meaning the receiver will have a more accurate measurement of your room's acoustic nuances and adjust the eq accordingly to make the sq better than a non calibrated or 2 eq'ed room. 2.) seven (7) channel pre-outs (sub pre-out only for 608), power has always been one of the major secrets into getting great sq whether for ht or audio. once you have realized that you need more power in the future. the 707 will allow you to hook up into an external power amp to power your speakers and just use the receiver as a pre-amp/processor. this is big. this is also what separates mid/high end from the entry level.

imho. i would get the 707 anytime vs the 608. unless you go straight up to the 708 to also get the 3d hdmi switching capability. but if money is tight. 707 is the monster you should get.  :)
THANX.  THE 707 IS A SERIOUS BEAST. WAS HOPING TO GET IT AT A REASONABLE PRICE BUT THAT IS NEXT TO IMPOSSIBLE.  i DO NOT THIK ANYONE ON THIS SITE HAS ONE???
Title: Re: Onkyo 608 or 707
Post by: iiinas on Aug 28, 2010 at 05:17 AM
THANX.  THE 707 IS A SERIOUS BEAST. WAS HOPING TO GET IT AT A REASONABLE PRICE BUT THAT IS NEXT TO IMPOSSIBLE.  i DO NOT THIK ANYONE ON THIS SITE HAS ONE???

http://www.amazon.com/Onkyo-TX-SR707-7-2-Channel-Surround-Receiver/dp/B002DSMNPC/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1282946200&sr=8-1 (http://www.amazon.com/Onkyo-TX-SR707-7-2-Channel-Surround-Receiver/dp/B002DSMNPC/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1282946200&sr=8-1)

amazon sells this at $491 today. ask @toy01 for a quote, he can bring this item back for you. i got my 806 from him and so have countless other pdvd members. i believe he can bring this back at around the same local price of a 608. just add 3.5k for a dedicated voltage regulator and your set.  :)
Title: Re: Onkyo 608 or 707
Post by: nogie on Aug 28, 2010 at 06:07 AM
I agree w/ sir iinas get the 707! Except for the power rating, the 707 has the same features as the 807. Just be careful in bringing in electronic stuff from US nowadays. I was taxed 20% in bringing in my 807 early this month. Customs according to the forwarding company is conducting a 100% inspection on all arriving goods. I paid tariff for the first time inisip ko na lang na para sa bayan ito.  ;D Pero mas mura pa rin ng 15k comparing it with the local discounted price of 62k.

(http://i410.photobucket.com/albums/pp186/okel_okel/Onkyo7.jpg)

Title: Re: Onkyo 608 or 707
Post by: Weng! on Aug 28, 2010 at 06:27 AM
talaga sir? ang forwarder ba ang mag charge ng 20% tax? paano kung mga damit or other stuff na non-electronics ang laman ng balikbayan box, ganon din ba ang tax?
Title: Re: Onkyo 608 or 707
Post by: nogie on Aug 28, 2010 at 06:43 AM
talaga sir? ang forwarder ba ang mag charge ng 20% tax? paano kung mga damit or other stuff na non-electronics ang laman ng balikbayan box, ganon din ba ang tax?

PM na lang kita brader para hindi OT. ;)
Title: Re: Onkyo 608 or 707
Post by: dannielsimone on Aug 28, 2010 at 08:52 AM
I agree w/ sir iinas get the 707! Except for the power rating, the 707 has the same features as the 807. Just be careful in bringing in electronic stuff from US nowadays. I was taxed 20% in bringing in my 807 early this month. Customs according to the forwarding company is conducting a 100% inspection on all arriving goods. I paid tariff for the first time inisip ko na lang na para sa bayan ito.  ;D Pero mas mura pa rin ng 15k comparing it with the local discounted price of 62k.

(http://i410.photobucket.com/albums/pp186/okel_okel/Onkyo7.jpg)


I heard thru an importer that there is a new chief of customs and he is making life more expensive for all those thrifty hong kong importers. :(
Title: Re: Onkyo 608 or 707
Post by: Onkyo606 on Aug 28, 2010 at 09:51 AM
http://www.amazon.com/Onkyo-TX-SR707-7-2-Channel-Surround-Receiver/dp/B002DSMNPC/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1282946200&sr=8-1 (http://www.amazon.com/Onkyo-TX-SR707-7-2-Channel-Surround-Receiver/dp/B002DSMNPC/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1282946200&sr=8-1)

amazon sells this at $491 today. ask @toy01 for a quote, he can bring this item back for you. i got my 806 from him and so have countless other pdvd members. i believe he can bring this back at around the same local price of a 608. just add 3.5k for a dedicated voltage regulator and your set.  :)

or i PM mo si vtec3 para makapag upgrade na sya sa yamaha 1065, mukhang may balak sya sa 707 nya eh hehehehehe
Title: Re: Onkyo 608 or 707
Post by: nogie on Aug 28, 2010 at 10:50 AM
I heard thru an importer that there is a new chief of customs and he is making life more expensive for all those thrifty hong kong importers. :(

merong din pdvd member na nagdala ng B&W speakers from US. di nya dineclare as electronic item kaya nahold sa customs. dati na sya nagpapadala ng high value items pero ngayon lang daw nangyari yong nahold shipment nya. sa akin naman, as long as it goes to govenment coffers walang problema hwag lang sa bulsa ng corrupt customs officials! ;D
Title: Re: Onkyo 608 or 707
Post by: nogie on Aug 28, 2010 at 02:16 PM
or i PM mo si vtec3 para makapag upgrade na sya sa yamaha 1065, mukhang may balak sya sa 707 nya eh hehehehehe

705 yata yong ke brader von na gusto nyang i-upgrade. maraming members ang nasa upgrade mode ha. sarap talagang magbago! Lot of PDVD members are following your lead idol! ;D
Title: Re: Onkyo 608 or 707
Post by: Onkyo606 on Aug 28, 2010 at 09:42 PM
705 yata yong ke brader von na gusto nyang i-upgrade. maraming members ang nasa upgrade mode ha. sarap talagang magbago! Lot of PDVD members are following your lead idol! ;D

yung sa yo ang ibenta mo na dumadami na naman ;)
Title: Re: Onkyo 608 or 707
Post by: iiinas on Aug 29, 2010 at 06:38 AM
or i PM mo si vtec3 para makapag upgrade na sya sa yamaha 1065, mukhang may balak sya sa 707 nya eh hehehehehe

pwede rin!

705 yata yong ke brader von na gusto nyang i-upgrade. maraming members ang nasa upgrade mode ha. sarap talagang magbago! Lot of PDVD members are following your lead idol! ;D

ok pa naman ang 705. actually yung 05 series specially the 705, 805 and 875 are said to be one of the best series onkyo has developed. the rest after were a little bit watered down. pati 806 ko.  :-[
Title: Re: Onkyo 608 or 707
Post by: dannielsimone on Aug 29, 2010 at 08:55 AM
major advantage of 608 vs 707 = hdmi 1.4a spec'ed, which means you can be do 3d switching in the future. is this important. if in the future, you will have multi-source that are 3d capable. you might want this. but without this feature, you can still be able to do 3d by having a 3d capable panel and a 3d capable source (3d capable bd player, media player or htpc) just hook the hdmi from player to panel and your good to go.

major advantages of 707 vs 608 = 1.) audyssey multi-eq (2q only for 608), very big difference in sq once you have used this feature. calibrating using audyssey is the standard for auto sound calibration. multi-eq allows for more mic placements than the 2eq meaning the receiver will have a more accurate measurement of your room's acoustic nuances and adjust the eq accordingly to make the sq better than a non calibrated or 2 eq'ed room. 2.) seven (7) channel pre-outs (sub pre-out only for 608), power has always been one of the major secrets into getting great sq whether for ht or audio. once you have realized that you need more power in the future. the 707 will allow you to hook up into an external power amp to power your speakers and just use the receiver as a pre-amp/processor. this is big. this is also what separates mid/high outs. end from the entry level.

imho. i would get the 707 anytime vs the 608. unless you go straight up to the 708 to also get the 3d hdmi switching capability. but if money is tight. 707 is the monster you should get.  :)

Thanks for this post iiinas.  The same comments were made to me many times over on another board in respect to 3d vs Pre amp.  Went out yesterday to do a demo of the 608 vs. the 707 and I could not find a dealer with both.  Wanted to see if I could hear a discernable difference between the two as its been said the 608 sound has been "refined".  Am not sure if this is a good thing?  I will admit the 3d capability is not big on my list of must have  features..  Am more interested in power and the ability to preamp down the road.
Maybe its fate but the speakers I bought were the diamond 9's as they are good and better value than the 10 series.  Got the panny 50c10 oveer the x10 ad again it represented great value and great savings.  Perhaps having saved on these 2009 phased out models I am destined to get the 2009 707.  Unfortunately the 707 seems to sell at a premiuim and is more expensive than the 608. :(

The 707 SRP is 50,000K.  It is now "on sale" with 20% off.   ;D

so do I pull the triger on the 608 at 32K or the 707 at 40K? (remember my new Wharf 9.6 fronts are very thirsty!)
Title: Re: Onkyo 608 or 707
Post by: iiinas on Aug 29, 2010 at 09:47 AM
Thanks for this post iiinas.  The same comments were made to me many times over on another board in respect to 3d vs Pre amp.  Went out yesterday to do a demo of the 608 vs. the 707 and I could not find a dealer with both.  Wanted to see if I could hear a discernable difference between the two as its been said the 608 sound has been "refined".  Am not sure if this is a good thing?  I will admit the 3d capability is not big on my list of must have  features..  Am more interested in power and the ability to preamp down the road.
Maybe its fate but the speakers I bought were the diamond 9's as they are good and better value than the 10 series.  Got the panny 50c10 oveer the x10 ad again it represented great value and great savings.  Perhaps having saved on these 2009 phased out models I am destined to get the 2009 707.  Unfortunately the 707 seems to sell at a premiuim and is more expensive than the 608. :(

The 707 SRP is 50,000K.  It is now "on sale" with 20% off.   ;D

so do I pull the triger on the 608 at 32K or the 707 at 40K? (remember my new Wharf 9.6 fronts are very thirsty!)

for the 8k premium. if i had the 32k cash at hand already. ill pay that up front then charge the remaining 8k to mr. visa or mastercard. for me, 707 hands down.  :)
Title: Re: Onkyo 608 or 707
Post by: dannielsimone on Aug 29, 2010 at 11:10 AM
for the 8k premium. if i had the 32k cash at hand already. ill pay that up front then charge the remaining 8k to mr. visa or mastercard. for me, 707 hands down.  :)

Wow...you are smarter than you look ;)
Title: Re: Onkyo 608 or 707
Post by: Clondalkin on Aug 29, 2010 at 12:45 PM
Wow...you are smarter than you look ;)

You still end up with an 8K credit.   ;)

How's your AVR habit anyway?  Did you do endless set-ups and upgrades with your previous equipment?   Amp power and basic specs appear identical to me, assuming you are not going to utilize Pre-Out.

I know you don't like pre-owned stuff but I would check on Vtec's 705 if I were you.   Basically the same banana to me as well ;) 




Title: Re: Onkyo 608 or 707
Post by: dannielsimone on Aug 29, 2010 at 03:59 PM
You still end up with an 8K credit.   ;)

How's your AVR habit anyway?  Did you do endless set-ups and upgrades with your previous equipment?   Amp power and basic specs appear identical to me, assuming you are not going to utilize Pre-Out.

I know you don't like pre-owned stuff but I would check on Vtec's 705 if I were you.   Basically the same banana to me as well ;) 

Is Vtec offering  a one year waranty on parts and labor?   





Title: Re: Onkyo 608 or 707
Post by: iiinas on Aug 29, 2010 at 04:12 PM
Wow...you are smarter than you look ;)

 :D


but sir clon is right too. if sir von is selling his 705, its worth a look. as i said the x05 series of onkyo were considered the best onkyo has made and designed.
Title: Re: Onkyo 608 or 707
Post by: dannielsimone on Aug 29, 2010 at 04:35 PM
:D

but sir clon is right too. if sir von is selling his 705, its worth a look. as i said the x05 series of onkyo were considered the best onkyo has made and designed.

 The 705 US import is being sold on the "for sale thread" now for 23K and its almost new but again 110volt, NO Warranty and No peace of mind (for me).  

the us 805 and 806 are also  for sale and are almost new at about 40K and are 110volt, Again.. No warranty and no peace of mind(for me).

These units  could be the best deal around........ if you have an appetite ( and a stomach) for risk.  Sir Von also may be offring a great deal but todays great deal could be tomorrows headache..............so in the famous words of a Speghetti western star (also known as Dirty Harry)........"I know what your thinking Punk...Did I fire 5 shots or 6..........well you gotta ask yourself "am I feeling lucky"....well...are you feeling lucky punk?   :)

of couse we all know the punk gets his head blown off!


When it comes to audio gear expecially receivers I would rather "luck" not play a part in my buying decisions.

The more I think about it the more I like The 707 .....at 40K .... not a bad deal.....now where did my wife hide her credit card  :o
Title: Re: Onkyo 608 or 707
Post by: Onkyo606 on Aug 29, 2010 at 08:11 PM
i heard the 876 is also being sold at a very low price not sure though if its in the 40K range, try checking it out.
Title: Re: Onkyo 608 or 707
Post by: dannielsimone on Aug 29, 2010 at 11:43 PM
i heard the 876 is also being sold at a very low price not sure though if its in the 40K range, try checking it out.

Have fallen for the 707 hard.  Best find my wifes visa before I start thinking about the 806 & 807  :D
Title: Re: Onkyo 608 or 707
Post by: dannielsimone on Aug 31, 2010 at 08:28 PM
Have fallen for the 707 hard.  Best find my wifes visa before I start thinking about the 806 & 807  :D

Found the wifes Visa.  Pulled the trigger.  707 now sitting in the living room with the new 50c10 plasma and wharfs. Took out of the box and without reading any directions hooked up the speakers, CD player and the PS3.  All analog composite as I only have one HDMI cable.  Took me about an hour to do this simple task. ::)


Room is a lovely mess.

Let the games begin!

Title: Re: Onkyo 608 or 707
Post by: nogie on Aug 31, 2010 at 09:04 PM
Found the wifes Visa.  Pulled the trigger.  707 now sitting in the living room with the new 50c10 plasma and wharfs. Took out of the box and without reading any directions hooked up the speakers, CD player and the PS3.  All analog composite as I only have one HDMI cable.  Took me about an hour to do this simple task. ::)

Room is a lovely mess.

Let the games begin!


Congrats sir!  ;D
Title: Re: Onkyo 608 or 707
Post by: dannielsimone on Aug 31, 2010 at 09:16 PM
Congrats sir!  ;D

Thanx...Now comes the hard part. Reading the manual.

I gotta say this unit looks sleek and sexy.  ;D

Title: Re: Onkyo 608 or 707
Post by: Onkyo606 on Aug 31, 2010 at 09:47 PM
congrats sir
Title: Re: Onkyo 608 or 707
Post by: ment on Sep 05, 2010 at 01:46 PM
Found the wifes Visa.  Pulled the trigger.  707 now sitting in the living room with the new 50c10 plasma and wharfs. Took out of the box and without reading any directions hooked up the speakers, CD player and the PS3.  All analog composite as I only have one HDMI cable.  Took me about an hour to do this simple task. ::)


Room is a lovely mess.

Let the games begin!



i think you made the right choice to go onlyo 707 over Onkyo 608 ..... ;) if i have the dough that would also be my choice hands-down ......
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: reynold on Sep 14, 2010 at 03:50 PM
How about this...

Onkyo TX-SR707 vs Yamaha RX-V667

Alin sa dalawa??? :)
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: praktikal on Sep 14, 2010 at 04:03 PM
How about this...

Onkyo TX-SR707 vs Yamaha RX-V667

Alin sa dalawa??? :)


UY! OH!
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: markcrenz on Sep 14, 2010 at 04:12 PM
How about this...

Onkyo TX-SR707 vs Yamaha RX-V667

Alin sa dalawa??? :)

kahit alin dyan ang solution sa very weird playback problem!
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: praktikal on Sep 14, 2010 at 04:54 PM
kahit alin dyan ang solution sa very weird playback problem!

natawa ako dito ah  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: reynold on Sep 14, 2010 at 08:37 PM
Hahahaha, nagtatanong pa lang naman ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: constyne on Sep 22, 2010 at 05:18 PM
mg sirs, bago lang po ako dito....sorry din po kung mali ata napuntahn ko na topic... hingi lang ako ng opinion nyo.... meron po kasi akong harman kardon avr 255 model, rated 50 watts per channel, then my balak po ako bumili ng  speakers ko, tpos nag tanung ako dito sa glorietta SA automatic center nagbebenta din sila ng HK ask ko kung kaya idrive ng ampli. gang 250 WATTS khit daw gang 350WATTS kaya dw.. taMa po ba ito, di ba masisira ampli ko...and planning to buy n rin aq ng center speaker bose VCS 10 ok lng po ba ito... tnx.. sana matulungan nyo ako... nga po pala ang minimum input power ng speaker ko sana na bibilhin eh 30 watts...
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Blackstar on Oct 31, 2010 at 02:59 PM
good afternoon mga master. bago lang po ako sa hifi hobby/interest. i just need your expert opinion sana. tanong ko lang kung ano pipiliin nyo without considering budget if given these choices: Onkyo TX-SR307 or HT-R560. I'm going to use it mainly for my home theater pc with my 1080p lcdtv. we only have a small condo so i think that should also be put into consideration. for starters, i already have a wharfedale wh-2 surround and center speakers. i guess i will need front and subs for this setup. your expert opinions are greatly appreciated.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: RJ Angeles on Nov 11, 2010 at 11:18 PM
any pros and cons between the HK 160 vs Onkyo 308 vs Onkyo 508? any inputs po?

Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: cianzepol on Nov 27, 2010 at 06:45 PM
any pros and cons between the HK 160 vs Onkyo 308 vs Onkyo 508? any inputs po?

Thanks in advance.

up ko lang po..inputs naman po for onkyo 308..
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: pa3ck608 on Nov 28, 2010 at 04:42 PM
I just want to ask some opinions from you guys regarding pioneer 520k and 820k. Please help me decide if the price difference between the two is worth it. The 520k is priced at P15K++, while the 820k is at P22K++. I already know the up-features of the 820k from the 520k. Gusto ko lang malaman kung sulit ung 7k na price difference based sa user-experience nyo because I'm a newbie and it will be my 1st receiver if ever. I'll pair it with wharfedale diamonds and use it 60% for movies, and the other for music ofcourse. I'm planning to buy next week sa sights and sounds or listening room. Thanks guys in advance.   
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: nsp on Dec 15, 2010 at 11:25 PM
is the pioneer 520 a good receiver? budget ko kasi is less than 20k. so far this seems to offer the most bang for the buck. can you suggest other receivers?
here are my requirements
- auto calibration of speakers
- hdmi input that can carry both video and audio
- 5.1 only
- i don't need dolby truehd or dts ma since 90% of my source will be bluray ripped which are only dd/dts
- good for both movie or music
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Stagea on Dec 16, 2010 at 12:01 AM
is the pioneer 520 a good receiver? budget ko kasi is less than 20k. so far this seems to offer the most bang for the buck. can you suggest other receivers?
here are my requirements
- auto calibration of speakers
- hdmi input that can carry both video and audio
- 5.1 only
- i don't need dolby truehd or dts ma since 90% of my source will be bluray ripped which are only dd/dts
- good for both movie or music

This receiver supports both Dolby TrueHD and DTS-MA, but I don't think it has auto-calibration. It has a very simple manual calibration menu though.

Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Nelson de Leon on Dec 16, 2010 at 07:32 AM
This receiver supports both Dolby TrueHD and DTS-MA, but I don't think it has auto-calibration. It has a very simple manual calibration menu though.



Then the trueHD and DTS-MA is a big plus for future proofing.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: nsp on Dec 16, 2010 at 07:59 AM
This receiver supports both Dolby TrueHD and DTS-MA, but I don't think it has auto-calibration. It has a very simple manual calibration menu though.



sir can you suggest a bang for the buck receiver with auto-calibration.
i think it is an essential feature for a newbie like me.
kung matutuloy, this will be my first ever set-up.  there is no point of comparison para malaman ko kung tama yung set-up or mali kaya very important for me yung feature na yan.

aside from these issues, do you think the 520 is a good receiver?
i already auditioned the unit at SM. it was partnered with a set of pioneer speakers. and i got mixed feelings. it sounded very nice. much nicer than my mini component. pero parang di sya crystal clear. ang problem, there are so many variables to consider. the receiver itself, speaker set, and the mp3 it is playing
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: julianne on Dec 17, 2010 at 08:21 AM
mg sirs, bago lang po ako dito....sorry din po kung mali ata napuntahn ko na topic... hingi lang ako ng opinion nyo.... meron po kasi akong harman kardon avr 255 model, rated 50 watts per channel, then my balak po ako bumili ng  speakers ko, tpos nag tanung ako dito sa glorietta SA automatic center nagbebenta din sila ng HK ask ko kung kaya idrive ng ampli. gang 250 WATTS khit daw gang 350WATTS kaya dw.. taMa po ba ito, di ba masisira ampli ko...and planning to buy n rin aq ng center speaker bose VCS 10 ok lng po ba ito... tnx.. sana matulungan nyo ako... nga po pala ang minimum input power ng speaker ko sana na bibilhin eh 30 watts...

Hi, I also have an HK AVR 255. I'm using Bose 701 Series I speakers on the fronts which is rated 200W at 6 Ohms nominal impedance. I'm also using the VCS-10 for the center and the 301 V and 301 IV for the surrounds, so far no problem.
If I listen to a music (MP3, CD or FM), I only engaged 2 channel listening on the AVR.
HK rated their AV receivers with all channels driven as compared to mostly Japanese brands. It can handle the 250W rated speakers in my opinion but you need to know that when you increase the volume of (> -20dB) you might encounter clipping. By the way, what is the nominal impedance of the speakers? 100-150W speakers should be fine...
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: warmaster on Dec 25, 2010 at 06:45 PM
i keep reading on the net that the vsx520 has auto calibration. o well, my heart's almost set on this unit, unless something cheaper and nicer comes along. it's got 3 hdmi inputs that carries audio signals, saving me the hassle to get optical cables and an optical dongle for my xbox 360. can't wait for january 5!
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: barrister on Dec 25, 2010 at 06:54 PM
Onkyo TX-SR608 wins What Hi-Fi's £450 AV-receiver group test for 2010.

2nd is Yamaha RX-V667;
3rd is Pioneer VSX-920;
4th is Denon AVR-1911; and
5th is Sony STR-DN1010, the last placer.


http://www.savelaitta.fi/kuvat/stereo/kotiteatteri/Onkyo_TX-SR608_testi_WH.pdf
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: cianzepol on Dec 25, 2010 at 08:35 PM
lalakas bentahan ng onkyo 608 nyan..
im a proud owner..
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: barrister on Dec 25, 2010 at 08:44 PM
Sigurado yon.  Especially now na maganda raw ang Onkyo service in the Philippines.

Sigurado rin na hihina ang Denon, especially when enthusiasts hear about Lotteworld's service.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: pa3ck608 on Dec 25, 2010 at 09:23 PM
lalakas bentahan ng onkyo 608 nyan..
im a proud owner..

Sorry if my topic is misplaced. ano gamit mo speakers sa 608? curious lng parehas kasi tyo 608, im still looking for speakers that will suit well with mine.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: cianzepol on Dec 25, 2010 at 09:38 PM
polk audio paps, yung tipid meals lang..

pero kung gusto mo ,try mo monitor audio..

yung best speakers din sa whathifi
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: pa3ck608 on Dec 25, 2010 at 10:43 PM
polk audio paps, yung tipid meals lang..

pero kung gusto mo ,try mo monitor audio..

yung best speakers din sa whathifi

alin yung bronze bx2?wala ako idea kung magkano yun eh, bka hindi pasok sa budget.polk tsi/rti and infinity primus pa lang na try ko. so far na impress ako sa rti a3 and primus 252.parehas maganda tumunog mas mahal lang ng 3k yung primus and sagwa ng center (pc350) parang rocket launcher (my opinion lng).
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: cianzepol on Dec 26, 2010 at 07:33 AM
alin yung bronze bx2?wala ako idea kung magkano yun eh, bka hindi pasok sa budget.polk tsi/rti and infinity primus pa lang na try ko. so far na impress ako sa rti a3 and primus 252.parehas maganda tumunog mas mahal lang ng 3k yung primus and sagwa ng center (pc350) parang rocket launcher (my opinion lng).

nasa 16k yata yun paps e.not sure po..
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: stalkermania on Jan 02, 2011 at 11:29 PM
someone is selling his monitor audio b2 for P7.5k, but I lost track of the thread
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: exomars on Jan 10, 2011 at 06:40 PM
i keep reading on the net that the vsx520 has auto calibration. o well, my heart's almost set on this unit, unless something cheaper and nicer comes along. it's got 3 hdmi inputs that carries audio signals, saving me the hassle to get optical cables and an optical dongle for my xbox 360. can't wait for january 5!


FYI. vsx520 has no auto cal. you may have been mis-informed in a european review site...been checking this too from various appliance stores. better go for the 820's or higher models.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: shinigami6 on Jan 13, 2011 at 12:39 PM
any feedback on kenwood AV receivers? specifically kenwood krfv6080d? saw this packaged with kenwood speakers as well in a shop in robinsons pioneer at sale for only 15k. original price according to the shop is around 28k
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: noelsalcedo on Jan 18, 2011 at 06:17 PM
mga sir how about yamaha rx-v367 VS. rx-v467?
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: exomars on Jan 19, 2011 at 03:02 PM
any feedback on kenwood AV receivers? specifically kenwood krfv6080d? saw this packaged with kenwood speakers as well in a shop in robinsons pioneer at sale for only 15k. original price according to the shop is around 28k

Kenwood and JVC were merged few years ago...Panasonic acquired majority of this new company but did not help in marketing & selling their products, including their AV amps/rcvrs and eventually discontinued...so the HT/rcvrs may be an old stock. I'm not sure but you have to check..warranty, HDMI, specs, after-sales support. A 15K investment is better for other known brands. But if the Kenwood specs will meet your expectations and usage then take the risk.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: jpodvd on Jan 31, 2011 at 02:21 PM
mga experts,

patulong naman- 1st AVR ko kasi kaya hirap mag decide. namimili ako sa HK-AVR260 vs ONKYO-TX-SR608.

Ano ba best sa dalawa pagdating sa:

1. Sound Quality - movies or music
2. Ease of Use
3. Durability

Thanks,

Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: stockHT on Feb 01, 2011 at 11:35 PM
quick one -

508 vs 608 - worth the 10k diff ba??
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: avshop on Feb 03, 2011 at 07:54 AM
quick one -

508 vs 608 - worth the 10k diff ba??

Go for the 608.  :)
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: stalkermania on Feb 03, 2011 at 07:23 PM
onk 608.... award winner because of its value for money.
full packed features. period.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: pa3ck608 on Feb 03, 2011 at 07:49 PM
508 na lng kasi masyado na madami naka 608. bakit kaya?  ???
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: louie1 on Feb 03, 2011 at 08:00 PM
mga experts,

patulong naman- 1st AVR ko kasi kaya hirap mag decide. namimili ako sa HK-AVR260 vs ONKYO-TX-SR608.

Ano ba best sa dalawa pagdating sa:

1. Sound Quality - movies or music
2. Ease of Use
3. Durability

Thanks,



 ;D mahirap talaga magdecide brader...audition lang solution dyan...
audition..audition..audition

maraming seller/dealers na member ng pdvd na sa palagay ko ay pagbibigyan ka sa
anumang audition an gusto mo ;D..

kunin mo yong tama sa iyong panlasa.....ika nga... ;D

goodluck....
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Conan on Feb 03, 2011 at 08:03 PM
quick one -

508 vs 608 - worth the 10k diff ba??

Get the 608, it's got 20 watts more compared to the 508.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: stockHT on Feb 03, 2011 at 08:29 PM
thanks for the replies! budget constraint kaya 508 na lang.

and another question - I'm also looking to hook up my el-cheapo ACE DVD Player/Videoke to 508, ang mangyayari ba ay connect ko sa IN ng 508 yung OUT ng videoke (kung meron) tapos yung MIC sa VIdeoke nakakabit?

thanks!
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: louie1 on Feb 03, 2011 at 09:26 PM
thanks for the replies! budget constraint kaya 508 na lang.

and another question - I'm also looking to hook up my el-cheapo ACE DVD Player/Videoke to 508, ang mangyayari ba ay connect ko sa IN ng 508 yung OUT ng videoke (kung meron) tapos yung MIC sa VIdeoke nakakabit?

thanks!

for dvd players...i used digital coaxial output ng dvd player....to digital coaxial in ng receiver...
ginamit ko videoke player(karavision from raon)..ok naman sya,

kaya lang sayang avr brader kung sa videoke ko gagamitin (tyak turture sya),,, so bumili ng lang ako ng sakura amp /crown speaker sa raon dedicated for videoke purpose..masira man ok lang... 5K ata buy ko noon sa sakura amp/crown speaker combo ;D



Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: stalkermania on Feb 04, 2011 at 07:04 AM
instead of 508 maybe you can consider this... price of 508 but similar to 608 features...
http://www.onkyousa.com/model.cfm?m=HT-RC260&class=Receiver&p=s

you can inquire sir cls and arrange a better price...check his thread
http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,130466.0/topicseen.html
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: stockHT on Feb 04, 2011 at 05:12 PM
oops!! another reading mode!

ano po ba difference (on a high level) ng HT series at TX series ng onkyo?
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: stalkermania on Feb 05, 2011 at 09:17 AM
oops!! another reading mode!

ano po ba difference (on a high level) ng HT series at TX series ng onkyo?

The HT series is designed to be more of a budget type of AVR. Meron siyang premium model which is similar to it, for this case (HT-RC260 and TX-SR608) Parang kotse yan e... For example, Toyota Vios "E" vs Vios "G". The body looks the same but the features are different, same as through with this AVR.

The differences between them are the ff: THX Select2 plus certification, Sirius ready & PC in (A/V)

Basically all the remaining features are the same.

Analyzing it, you can live with the difference, and it will slash out about P10k from a well known 608.

I will recommend that you purchase an HT-RC260.
It will be worth your money.
Hope this helps.  ;)
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: stockHT on Feb 07, 2011 at 04:19 PM
The HT series is designed to be more of a budget type of AVR. Meron siyang premium model which is similar to it, for this case (HT-RC260 and TX-SR608) Parang kotse yan e... For example, Toyota Vios "E" vs Vios "G". The body looks the same but the features are different, same as through with this AVR.

The differences between them are the ff: THX Select2 plus certification, Sirius ready & PC in (A/V)

Basically all the remaining features are the same.

Analyzing it, you can live with the difference, and it will slash out about P10k from a well known 608.

I will recommend that you purchase an HT-RC260.
It will be worth your money.
Hope this helps.  ;)

@stalkermania

sir the THX Select2 plus certification, Sirius ready & PC in (A/V) i guess are also not included in 508.
thanks for the reply... i do appreciate the simple explanation which I can comprehend.

my purpose are for both Music and Movies, I'll be reading more of HT-RC260 and probly order online.
this will be paired with aaudio genesis series.

Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Tempter on Feb 07, 2011 at 04:59 PM
Sirius will be of no use to you if you are not in US i believe...
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: stockHT on Feb 07, 2011 at 05:21 PM
Sirius will be of no use to you if you are not in US i believe...

yes i believe.
and RC260 have these two thing that is not present in 508:
*100 Watts per Channel at 8 Ohms, 20 Hz?20 kHz, 0.08%, 2 Channels Driven, FTC VS 80wattss of 508
*HDMI 1080p video upconversion by Faroudja DCDi cinema
* 6 HDMI VS 4 of 508

looks like a win!


although if I compare the price in amazon its $330 for RC260 and $248 for 508...
this one is a tough battle kasi mas madaling ipa-approve kay missis yung 10k kesa sa 15k :)

pero the price here in manila hindi nagkakalayo... around 21k for 110v of RC260 and 22k for the 508 220v.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Tempter on Feb 07, 2011 at 05:31 PM
yes i believe.
and RC260 have these two thing that is not present in 508:
*100 Watts per Channel at 8 Ohms, 20 Hz?20 kHz, 0.08%, 2 Channels Driven, FTC VS 80wattss of 508
*HDMI 1080p video upconversion by Faroudja DCDi cinema
* 6 HDMI VS 4 of 508

looks like a win!


although if I compare the price in amazon its $330 for RC260 and $248 for 508...
this one is a tough battle kasi mas madaling ipa-approve kay missis yung 10k kesa sa 15k :)

pero the price here in manila hindi nagkakalayo... around 21k for 110v of RC260 and 22k for the 508 220v.

Sa ken hindi importante tong Upconversion, madalas not noticeable, minsan pa mas nagiging noisy yung PQ. Kaya I prefer this turned off. I just use the upconversion of the source.  ;)
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: stalkermania on Feb 08, 2011 at 07:25 AM
yes i believe.
and RC260 have these two thing that is not present in 508:
*100 Watts per Channel at 8 Ohms, 20 Hz?20 kHz, 0.08%, 2 Channels Driven, FTC VS 80wattss of 508
*HDMI 1080p video upconversion by Faroudja DCDi cinema
* 6 HDMI VS 4 of 508

looks like a win!

although if I compare the price in amazon its $330 for RC260 and $248 for 508...
this one is a tough battle kasi mas madaling ipa-approve kay missis yung 10k kesa sa 15k :)

pero the price here in manila hindi nagkakalayo... around 21k for 110v of RC260 and 22k for the 508 220v.

try to canvass in the MARKETPLACE.
I also recommend that you ask for the quotation for RC260 and 508 from TOY01
Check his thread:

http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,88081.msg1353085.html#msg1353085

Also, ask around from the likes of Listening Room, AVShop, SNS, etc.

Then go with the lowest price.

Happy hunting!  ;)
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: paolorenzo on Feb 23, 2011 at 09:19 AM
I must say that the HT-RC260 is great!  I needed to upgrade to a HDMI receiver capable of HD Audio for my MKV files.  I was worried initially about CNET saying it does not support standby pass-through.  Boy, am I glad they are wrong.  HT-RC260 does support standby pass-through, in fact I'm using it right now.  My HTPC is connected via HDMI to the RC260, then 1 HDMI cable out to my PK550.  Tested standby pass-through with my HTPC and Cignal HD STB.  Both work like a charm.  A/V both passed onto my PK550.

Audio Quality is excellent!  My personal test is my MTV  Corrs Unplugged DVD.  The detail of the instruments and Andrea Corr's breathing when playing that flute-like instrument is distinctively heard.  It also pumps up my Wharf Diamond 9 speakers and sub.  And it's not just loud volume, it simply the full range.  Even at lower volumes, details are still very clear.

And for only 20k, it's an unbeatable deal!  I love it!
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Conan on Feb 23, 2011 at 11:48 AM
I must say that the HT-RC260 is great!  I needed to upgrade to a HDMI receiver capable of HD Audio for my MKV files.  I was worried initially about CNET saying it does not support standby pass-through.  Boy, am I glad they are wrong.  HT-RC260 does support standby pass-through, in fact I'm using it right now.  My HTPC is connected via HDMI to the RC260, then 1 HDMI cable out to my PK550.  Tested standby pass-through with my HTPC and Cignal HD STB.  Both work like a charm.  A/V both passed onto my PK550.

Audio Quality is excellent!  My personal test is my MTV  Corrs Unplugged DVD.  The detail of the instruments and Andrea Corr's breathing when playing that flute-like instrument is distinctively heard.  It also pumps up my Wharf Diamond 9 speakers and sub.  And it's not just loud volume, it simply the full range.  Even at lower volumes, details are still very clear.

And for only 20k, it's an unbeatable deal!  I love it!

Does the amp suface feel hot when in Pass-thru mode? My 608 does so I stopped using that mode.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: paolorenzo on Feb 23, 2011 at 05:54 PM
Does the amp suface feel hot when in Pass-thru mode? My 608 does so I stopped using that mode.

I haven't tried checking.  I will see this weekend.  Sabi sa mga nabasa ko 3W lang ang consumption when on standby pass through.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Tempter on Feb 23, 2011 at 09:17 PM
I haven't tried checking.  I will see this weekend.  Sabi sa mga nabasa ko 3W lang ang consumption when on standby pass through.

Malabo yata yang 3W sir... baka stand-by consumption yan. No pass-through.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: AlienD on Feb 24, 2011 at 03:49 AM
mg sirs, bago lang po ako dito....sorry din po kung mali ata napuntahn ko na topic... hingi lang ako ng opinion nyo.... meron po kasi akong harman kardon avr 255 model, rated 50 watts per channel, then my balak po ako bumili ng  speakers ko, tpos nag tanung ako dito sa glorietta SA automatic center nagbebenta din sila ng HK ask ko kung kaya idrive ng ampli. gang 250 WATTS khit daw gang 350WATTS kaya dw.. taMa po ba ito, di ba masisira ampli ko...and planning to buy n rin aq ng center speaker bose VCS 10 ok lng po ba ito... tnx.. sana matulungan nyo ako... nga po pala ang minimum input power ng speaker ko sana na bibilhin eh 30 watts...

meron akong vcs 10 , i dont recommend this kasi mahina sya, one of the worst speaker ng bose , check amazon.coms review, try polk audio although bose 701 at 301 ay maganda. (IMHO)
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: stockHT on Apr 06, 2011 at 09:39 PM
mga sir quick help -


pio 520 vs yamaha rx367?
Title: Onkyo 608 vs Yamaha 667
Post by: lexhd on Apr 13, 2011 at 02:39 PM


Hello mga sirs,

I didnt want to hi-jack the other thread re Onkyo 608 vs 767 so i decided to start this one.  I am deciding between the 608 and the 667 kasi. both seem to have good reviews. and more or less, in the same price range. i am just concerned about the overheating issues of the 608...

hope you could share with me your thoughts...


thank you in advance...
Title: Re: Onkyo 608 vs Yamaha 667
Post by: Conan on Apr 13, 2011 at 02:59 PM

Hello mga sirs,

I didnt want to hi-jack the other thread re Onkyo 608 vs 767 so i decided to start this one.  I am deciding between the 608 and the 667 kasi. both seem to have good reviews. and more or less, in the same price range. i am just concerned about the overheating issues of the 608...

hope you could share with me your thoughts...


thank you in advance...

The 608 does not have overheating issues. Can you point us where you read this?
Title: Re: Onkyo 608 vs Yamaha 667
Post by: lexhd on Apr 13, 2011 at 03:26 PM

Thank you for the reply sir Conan.  It's good to hear that the 608 does not have any overheating issues. I am kinda leaning towards upgrading to it (from an rx-v795)...

I went back to this thread and read it again:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=02ea122bf4208c9095ec72af0d4f1d90&t=1236522&page=61

This is the thread that got me concerned.  It's not an overheating "issue" pala. Rather, it is an "issue" of the 608 generating more heat than the rest...

Hope others could share their experiences with either the 667 or the 608...

Title: Re: Onkyo 608 vs Yamaha 667
Post by: pa3ck608 on Apr 13, 2011 at 03:42 PM
i never encountered any problem with my unit, it does heat up a bit but i think its just normal with receivers.
Title: Re: Onkyo 608 vs Yamaha 667
Post by: Courage on Apr 13, 2011 at 03:46 PM
i never encountered any problem with my unit, it does heat up a bit but i think its just normal with receivers.

Yup correct, my Yamaha and Harman does that too... Kelangan lang maganda ventilation or you can always add an external exhaust fan to suck the heat out...
Title: Re: Onkyo 608 vs Yamaha 667
Post by: nogie on Apr 13, 2011 at 04:05 PM


Suggestion lang naman bro.. If you are willing to spend at least 30k for a receiver at hindi naman issue sa yo ang pre-owned. This one below is by far a better option for you. Tawag dito ng ibang members ay si bangis. Specs is almost the same as the 875 pero nagkatalo lang sa video chip: Pag 608 ang kinuha mo at tatambay ka dito PDVD ;D ;D....sigurado mag-u-upgrade ka rin ng mas mataas na modelo. ;D ;D

BTW, yong onkyo 875 ko hindi mo pala mahahawakan sa INIT pag nag-operate na ng at least 30 mins. pero hindi naman nasisira.

http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,125782.0.html
Title: Re: Onkyo 608 vs Yamaha 667
Post by: Conan on Apr 13, 2011 at 04:25 PM

Suggestion lang naman bro.. If you are willing to spend at least 30k for a receiver at hindi naman issue sa yo ang pre-owned. This one below is by far a better option for you. Tawag dito ng ibang members ay si bangis. Specs is almost the same as the 875 pero nagkatalo lang sa video chip: Pag 608 ang kinuha mo at tatambay ka dito PDVD ;D ;D....sigurado mag-u-upgrade ka rin ng mas mataas na modelo. ;D ;D

BTW, yong onkyo 875 ko hindi mo pala mahahawakan sa INIT pag nag-operate na ng at least 30 mins. pero hindi naman nasisira.

http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,125782.0.html

The problem with that 805 and the receivers that that vendor brings in is walang set-up microphone for Audyssey. Sayang yun Audyssey MultEQ XT feature niya.
Title: Re: Onkyo 608 vs Yamaha 667
Post by: Onkyo606 on Apr 13, 2011 at 04:36 PM
it will be very hard to compare one receiver to another directly but if the basis will the things that you need in a receiver, it will become simpler,

1. Built quality and aesthetics - different brands have different fascia presentation, take a look at both
    models you are comparing and determine which apperance would fancy you more, Take into
    consideration control locations, ease of navigation, display panel even color of the LCD inside the display
    panel. Take a loof at the back panel as well and see for yourself which one would be eaier for you to
    work at and understand.

2. Automatic Room Correction Feature - im not familiar with Yamaha in this aspect but the room correction
   feature that allows you to do more than 2 mic positions in calibrating the system is better than just two
   mic positions. Calibration allows you to enjoy movies closer to reference setting, or how the movie was
   intended to be heard in your listening position.

3. Video Upscaling - if you are into using the receiver for video upscaling, the one that has it hands down
   should be the choice. If you connect your sources directly to your TV, then this feature wouldnt matter.

4. Ease of Use including the remote control - there are times one model becomes better than the other
    becasue fo the ease or difficulty of use both through the remote control or through the reciever's
    control at the front panel. There are people who takes this into consideration as ease of use would avoid
    confusion wiht the controls and the frustration in vaigating through each feautres when you make
    adjustements. This also include the GUI, better GUI is a good attraction too.

5. Sound Quality that Suites you more - NO matter what they say, this will be the most important factor
   that you need to consider. People may say a lot of things about a particular model but at the end of the
   day, choose the one that sounds best to you. Features are just feautres but sometimes there are
   feautres that does not contribute to how good the sound can be.

at the end of the day, each brand and model are very good in their own rights, one may be better in some aspects but if you dont need it, it has no value
Title: Re: Onkyo 608 vs Yamaha 667
Post by: barrister on Apr 13, 2011 at 04:37 PM
I didnt want to hi-jack the other thread re Onkyo 608 vs 767 so i decided to start this one.  I am deciding between the 608 and the 667 kasi. both seem to have good reviews. and more or less, in the same price range. i am just concerned about the overheating issues of the 608...

You can't go wrong either way.  

Both are good units, but your choice may be affected by the type of speakers you already have.  Those two receivers will sound different, and they will either sound good or bad depending on the speakers used and your personal preferences.

As for overheating, Yamaha does traditionally run cooler than Onkyo.  

Onkyo has had a reputation for overheating, but now that their new models have cooling fans, I'd say it's safe to get a 608:

(http://swbg1.tripod.com/onkyo_608_inside.jpg)
Onkyo 608

Yamaha can run at more or less the same temperature, but without need for a cooling fan.

Title: Re: Onkyo 608 vs Yamaha 667
Post by: nogie on Apr 13, 2011 at 04:37 PM
The problem with that 805 and the receivers that that vendor brings in is walang set-up microphone for Audyssey. Sayang yun Audyssey MultEQ XT feature niya.

meron akong mic-5000 for onkyo 805/875. pwede ko ipahiram.  ;)
Title: Re: Onkyo 608 vs Yamaha 667
Post by: Wildfire™ on Apr 13, 2011 at 05:40 PM
brader ayaw mo ba ng denon avr-1911? for me mas ok sya
Title: Re: Onkyo 608 vs Yamaha 667
Post by: lexhd on Apr 13, 2011 at 06:22 PM


Thank you sa replies mga sirs... your inputs are very helpful...

For now, i will pair the receiver with my DM305, cc3 and 302 (more on movies kasi ako).  Oks naman yung combo with the rx-v795 pero gusto ko na rin kasi mag hdmi receiver to take advantage of the "technology". 

How about the after sales of onkyo, may service center ba sila dito mga sirs?
Title: Re: Onkyo 608 vs Yamaha 667
Post by: Conan on Apr 13, 2011 at 06:40 PM
Yes Onkyo has a service center, just make sure you buy a local unit and not an imported unit if you want to be assured of warranty.
Title: Re: Onkyo 608 vs Yamaha 667
Post by: allenwfc on Apr 14, 2011 at 08:37 PM

Hello mga sirs,

I didnt want to hi-jack the other thread re Onkyo 608 vs 767 so i decided to start this one.  I am deciding between the 608 and the 667 kasi. both seem to have good reviews. and more or less, in the same price range. i am just concerned about the overheating issues of the 608...

hope you could share with me your thoughts...


thank you in advance...

Get Onkyo NR-609 instead :)
Title: Re: Onkyo 608 vs Yamaha 667
Post by: Conan on Apr 14, 2011 at 08:40 PM
Get Onkyo NR-609 instead :)

Availability from the authorized local distributor will be around May-June. The good thing is that it will most likely be the same price as the current 608.
Title: Re: Onkyo 608 vs Yamaha 667
Post by: allenwfc on Apr 14, 2011 at 11:27 PM
Availability from the authorized local distributor will be around May-June. The good thing is that it will most likely be the same price as the current 608.

hence better to wait for it than get 608 :)
Title: Re: Onkyo 608 vs Yamaha 667
Post by: sientobente on Apr 15, 2011 at 12:04 PM
in the other thread, i voted for 608 because i find it's features suiting my taste better than the higher-end yamaha.

regarding the heat issues, it looks normal. i had my 608 running for like 12-15 hours and it's running very well without problems. siguro magiging problema lang siya kapag may umuusok na or you see melted parts on your receiver but other than that, everything should be working fine.
Title: Re: Onkyo 608 vs Yamaha 667
Post by: reynold on Apr 15, 2011 at 12:21 PM
if you have an airconditioned room, heating issue of onkyo receivers won't matter anymore... pero kung hindi naman airconditioned ang room mo, then you have to have a very good ventilation para safe... i personally not comfortable with equipments na madaling mag-init (except stoves, hehehe ;D), ang tendency kasi, in the long run baka mag-melt yung ibang solders that will cause some malfunctions, hassle kasi magdala ng unit sa service center kahit na sabihin mo pang may warranty.. just to be sure and safe, isa dapat sa mga factor yan sa pagpili ng receivers/amplifiers, cd/dvd players, etc..

kung ako ang papipiliin mo sa dalawang choices mo, i think i'll buy the yamaha... but that's me ha, audition is still required in choosing your receiver and better yet, bring your speakers and test them with those receivers of your choice ;)

Title: Re: Onkyo 608 vs Yamaha 667
Post by: jhelenz on Apr 15, 2011 at 05:14 PM
in the other thread, i voted for 608 because i find it's features suiting my taste better than the higher-end yamaha.

regarding the heat issues, it looks normal. i had my 608 running for like 12-15 hours and it's running very well without problems. siguro magiging problema lang siya kapag may umuusok na or you see melted parts on your receiver but other than that, everything should be working fine.
12 to 15 hours?straight?
Title: Re: Onkyo 608 vs Yamaha 667
Post by: sientobente on Apr 16, 2011 at 02:24 PM
Yup! 15 hours straight. i had it on when i woke up @ 6AM, pinatay ko na yung receiver 9PM nung matutulog na ako. it's in an airconditioned room anyway. I did this to break-in my speakers.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Tavus on Apr 17, 2011 at 02:29 PM
ito guys
pioneer vsx 919
http://pioneer.ph/ProductDetail/default.asp?ProductId=953&CatId=64,9,17
or
HarmanKardon AVR 1600
http://uk.harmankardon.com/harman-kardon-product-detail-uk/avr-160_230.html
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Stagea on Apr 18, 2011 at 03:00 AM
mga sir quick help -


pio 520 vs yamaha rx367?

VSX-520 supports HD audio, the RX-V367 does not. I would gravitate towards the VSX-520.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: stockHT on Apr 18, 2011 at 06:48 PM
VSX-520 supports HD audio, the RX-V367 does not. I would gravitate towards the VSX-520.

sir stagea salamat.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: fisher135 on Apr 23, 2011 at 08:26 PM
I must say that the HT-RC260 is great!  I needed to upgrade to a HDMI receiver capable of HD Audio for my MKV files.  I was worried initially about CNET saying it does not support standby pass-through.  Boy, am I glad they are wrong.  HT-RC260 does support standby pass-through, in fact I'm using it right now.  My HTPC is connected via HDMI to the RC260, then 1 HDMI cable out to my PK550.  Tested standby pass-through with my HTPC and Cignal HD STB.  Both work like a charm.  A/V both passed onto my PK550.

Audio Quality is excellent!  My personal test is my MTV  Corrs Unplugged DVD.  The detail of the instruments and Andrea Corr's breathing when playing that flute-like instrument is distinctively heard.  It also pumps up my Wharf Diamond 9 speakers and sub.  And it's not just loud volume, it simply the full range.  Even at lower volumes, details are still very clear.

And for only 20k, it's an unbeatable deal!  I love it!

Sir can ask where did you buy your unit? kahit pm lng po. tnxs
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Tavus on Apr 24, 2011 at 12:18 PM
guys what better between these two
denon 1910 vs the yamaha rx667?
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: CMac on Apr 24, 2011 at 02:23 PM
i like the denon because the name rolls off the tongue better. deeeee-nun.

on a serious note, audyssey a plus for denon since specwise they're both the same.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Tavus on Apr 24, 2011 at 03:49 PM
i like the denon because the name rolls off the tongue better. deeeee-nun.

on a serious note, audyssey a plus for denon since specwise they're both the same.

Yamaha's got ypao. How different is that from Audyssey?
The 667 got 3d and 1910 has non.
What important is the sound quality. So masmaganda ba ang sound quality ng denon 1910 kay sa yamaha 667?

Title: what receiver should i buy denon 1910 or yamaha 667
Post by: Tavus on Apr 25, 2011 at 11:59 AM
Guys what should I buy between the two. There both good receivers both do exactly what im looking for:
denon 1910
2009
5 hdmi 1.3
90 Watts pc
Audyssey MultEQ
standy by pass through?

yamaha rx667
2010
6 hdmi 1.4 3d ready
90 Watts pc
audio return channel
standy by pass through
ypao
preout

Both are around the same price. i like the denon because forums say the sound quality is amazing but the yamaha is slight weaker in terms of sound pero is future proof.

i still can't decide! ??? can anyone help?
Title: Re: what receiver should i buy denon 1910 or yamaha 667
Post by: barrister on Apr 25, 2011 at 12:31 PM
Before adding the Audyssey vs YPAO factor into the equation, first decide which amp sound you like better.  It will depend on the kind of speakers you'll be using, plus your personal preferences about the over-all sound.

Personally, my preference goes to the Yamaha sound.  

If you like Denon's sound, then go for it, because the consensus is that Audyssey is the best EQ system.  If you prefer the Yamaha sound, then you must choose Yamaha even if YPAO, while also very good, is still slightly inferior to Audyssey.  That's because your choice should be determined by the sound signature of the amp, not by the performance of the EQ.

Parametric EQ is a great thing, but it still has its limitations.  It still isn't a magic bullet that can instantly cure any room deficiency.

Don't worry too much about it.  Both are very good receivers, and you won't go wrong either way.

What you should be worried about is Denon's after-sales service reliability.  In this neck of the woods, Denon service is terrible.  Browse around for Denon service complaints.

Instead of Denon, why not try out the Onkyos.  Good amp, Audyssey EQ, plus great after-sales service.  Just make sure the unit has enough free space around it so that the internal cooling fan can do its job well.
  
  
Title: Re: what receiver should i buy denon 1910 or yamaha 667
Post by: Tavus on Apr 25, 2011 at 01:30 PM
Before adding the Audyssey vs YPAO factor into the equation, first decide which amp sound you like better.  It will depend on the kind of speakers you'll be using, plus your pesonal preferences about the over-all sound.

Personally, my preference goes to the Yamaha sound.  

If you like Denon's sound, then go for it, because the consensus is that Audyssey is the best EQ system.  If you prefer the Yamaha sound, then you must choose Yamaha even if YPAO, while also very good, is still slightly inferior to Audyssey.  That's because your choice should be determined by the sound signature of the amp, not by the performance of the EQ.

Parametric EQ is a great thing, but it's still has its limitations.  It's still isn't a magic bullet that can instantly cure any room deficiency.

Don't worry too much about it.  Both are very good receivers, and you won't go wrong either way.

What you should be worried about is Denon's after-sales service reliability.  In this neck of the woods, Denon service is terrible.  Browse around for Denon service complaints.

Instead of Denon, why not try out the Onkyos.  Good amp, Audyssey EQ, plus great after-sales service.  Just make sure the unit has enough free space around it so that the internal cooling fan can do its job well.
  
  

Great answer barrister. thank you. I'm just newbie looking for a good mid range receive that does multi channel-in and is future proof.
 I initially didn't consider the onkyo because they say it gets hot and there were some issues with Faroudja dropping out.
The only Onkyo model 708 seems to fit what im looking for. Its a beast packed with internet radio and 3d, Hows the performance of the onkyo 708 compared to the denon and rx667?
Title: Re: what receiver should i buy denon 1910 or yamaha 667
Post by: Conan on Apr 25, 2011 at 02:31 PM
I agree with Barrister about choosing between Yamaha and Onkyo instead of Denon. I was actually researching Denon because I was interested in the 2011 models when I ran into this test of the Denon 3310 which is a mid-level receiver with an SRP of 1,499 dollars.

http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/receivers/725-denon-avr-3310ci-71-av-receiver.html?start=2

In summary the test said that you should only run 8 ohm speakers with the 3310 with a sensitivity of at least 90db or higher (due to the weak amp section which is easily prone to distortion). Yet the Denon web site claims "​Low Impedance Drive Capability". I guess this is the explanation why when I purchased a Denon 1611 it sounded very weak with my JBL speakers which had a sensitivity of 87db. I exchanged it for an Onkyo 608 two days later.

Title: Re: what receiver should i buy denon 1910 or yamaha 667
Post by: Tavus on Apr 25, 2011 at 03:02 PM
I agree with Barrister about choosing between Yamaha and Onkyo instead of Denon. I was actually researching Denon because I was interested in the 2011 models when I ran into this test of the Denon 3310 which is a mid-level receiver with an SRP of 1,499 dollars.

http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/receivers/725-denon-avr-3310ci-71-av-receiver.html?start=2

In summary the test said that you should only run 8 ohm speakers with the 3310 with a sensitivity of at least 90db or higher (due to the weak amp section which is easily prone to distortion). Yet the Denon web site claims "​Low Impedance Drive Capability". I guess this is the explanation why when I purchased a Denon 1611 it sounded very weak with my JBL speakers which had a sensitivity of 87db. I exchanged it for an Onkyo 608 two days later.


Aight, thanks for the help guys. I'm builder a very good picture here. The Yamaha or Onkyo might be the receiver i'm looking for. im now slightly leaning toward the yamaha...ha
Title: Re: what receiver should i buy denon 1910 or yamaha 667
Post by: barrister on Apr 25, 2011 at 07:02 PM
Great answer barrister. thank you. I'm just newbie looking for a good mid range receive that does multi channel-in and is future proof.
 I initially didn't consider the onkyo because they say it gets hot and there were some issues with Faroudja dropping out.
The only Onkyo model 708 seems to fit what im looking for. Its a beast packed with internet radio and 3d, Hows the performance of the onkyo 708 compared to the denon and rx667?


I don't know about Onkyo dropouts.  There were dropout issues about 10 years ago, but I haven't read about any confirmed dropout issues these past few years.  

As for temperature, Onkyo traditionally runs hot.  Their solution was a cooling fan, which remedied the issue.  But to me, the better solution would be to redesign the receiver so it can run cool without a fan.  That way, you won't have to worry about frying the amp in case the fan breaks down without your noticing it.

Yamaha's designs put a premium on reliability.  Maybe that's why Yamaha can output about the same power without need for a fan.  If it's reliability you need, Yamaha is more reliable than Onkyo and Denon.

They all sound good, but a lot will depend on the speakers you choose.  There's no way around it --- you will have to audition them with the speakers of your choice.

Title: Re: what receiver should i buy denon 1910 or yamaha 667
Post by: Tavus on Apr 26, 2011 at 02:00 PM
idea just slammed me on the head. Why am i spending on such 30k receiver when my original budget was 25k?

My thought is should i buy an expensive receiver with stuff that is future proof with awesome features that i will use years from now or buy a cheap one today that does everything i want  and then later maybe 3 years in the line buy a new receiver. i wonder which will save me more money in the long run?

 it just really hurts my head. ???
Title: Marantz SR-5004 or Denon AVR-2311
Post by: Wildfire™ on Apr 27, 2011 at 12:04 PM
I need help I'm on the process of buying my 1st brand new receiver and its really hard to decide which one to get. Im planning to get one this may and my budget is very tight so I need your inputs pros and cons
Title: Re: Marantz SR-5004 or Denon AVR-2311
Post by: Stagea on Apr 27, 2011 at 01:27 PM
I need help I'm on the process of buying my 1st brand new receiver and its really hard to decide which one to get. Im planning to get one this may and my budget is very tight so I need your inputs pros and cons

They seem to be more alike than different (they come from the same group afterall). The Denon seems to be slightly more laden with features, but I prefer the Marantz brand and sound. Marantz AVRs tend to have beefier amp sections as well (they still measure well with all channels driven). Try them both, if you can.
Title: Re: what receiver should i buy denon 1910 or yamaha 667
Post by: monreq on Apr 27, 2011 at 02:13 PM
I think depends on brand model.  If I will be the one to buy, I'll test both Yamaha and Denon as per my budget.  Also test same speakers you are going to use in your room.  Room treatment is a must for HT and audio, as well. :)
Title: Re: Marantz SR-5004 or Denon AVR-2311
Post by: Wildfire™ on Apr 27, 2011 at 04:23 PM
how about reliability brader? do we have service center here for marantz?
Title: Re: Marantz SR-5004 or Denon AVR-2311
Post by: Wildfire™ on Apr 27, 2011 at 04:31 PM
Quote
they come from the same group afterall

Same company pala sila  :D
Title: Re: what receiver should i buy denon 1910 or yamaha 667
Post by: Tavus on Apr 27, 2011 at 08:58 PM
k thanks for the replys.
Title: Re: what receiver should i buy denon 1910 or yamaha 667
Post by: pa3ck608 on Apr 27, 2011 at 09:17 PM
idea just slammed me on the head. Why am i spending on such 30k receiver when my original budget was 25k?
 it just really hurts my head. ???

the trick is to set your mind that the price of decent receivers' usually start at around 30k, then dont look back at your original budget. it will help lessen the migrane ;D
Title: Re: what receiver should i buy denon 1910 or yamaha 667
Post by: Tavus on Apr 28, 2011 at 02:49 PM
the trick is to set your mind that the price of decent receivers' usually start at around 30k, then dont look back at your original budget. it will help lessen the migrane ;D

you're saying i should stick with the more expensive receiver. I have an htib speaker set with is old but need replacing.

if i but the denon i save 7000 which can go to my speaker budget.

My question now is spend for an expensive receiver(yammy 667 or denon 2310) now and stick with it for a long time or get a cheaper unit today (denon 1910), buy decent speakers and later replace new receiver 5 years from now which might have hdmi 1.5??? which save me more money in the long run?
Title: Re: what receiver should i buy denon 1910 or yamaha 667
Post by: pa3ck608 on Apr 28, 2011 at 03:54 PM
you're saying i should stick with the more expensive receiver. I have an htib speaker set with is old but need replacing.

if i but the denon i save 7000 which can go to my speaker budget.

My question now is spend for an expensive receiver(yammy 667 or denon 2310) now and stick with it for a long time or get a cheaper unit today (denon 1910), buy decent speakers and later replace new receiver 5 years from now which might have hdmi 1.5??? which save me more money in the long run?

cheaper doest necesarrilly mean its economical ;D
Title: Re: what receiver should i buy denon 1910 or yamaha 667
Post by: Conan on Apr 28, 2011 at 05:35 PM
you're saying i should stick with the more expensive receiver. I have an htib speaker set with is old but need replacing.

if i but the denon i save 7000 which can go to my speaker budget.

My question now is spend for an expensive receiver(yammy 667 or denon 2310) now and stick with it for a long time or get a cheaper unit today (denon 1910), buy decent speakers and later replace new receiver 5 years from now which might have hdmi 1.5??? which save me more money in the long run?

Buy what will make you happy now.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: jcsantamarina on May 03, 2011 at 01:27 PM
Yamaha's got ypao. How different is that from Audyssey?
The 667 got 3d and 1910 has non.
What important is the sound quality. So masmaganda ba ang sound quality ng denon 1910 kay sa yamaha 667?



Hey bro, for that price range, check out the Onkyo 509. I'm enjoying mine right now.
Packed with features even for just an entry level AVR. Also, I heard Audyssey is much better than YPAO.
HTH!
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: scifi-fan on May 03, 2011 at 01:50 PM
Audyssey is amazing.

I live in a townhouse so I have to be wary not to disturb the neighbors (too much).

I was looking at an Onkyo but their implementation of Audyssey IMHO is a step behind their Denon equivalents (price wise).

Multi2EQ is implemented on the Onkyo 509 but MultiEQ XT is available on the Denon 1610/11/12.


Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: jcsantamarina on May 03, 2011 at 02:01 PM
Good point!

If the 1612 were available lang sana when I got my 509, I'm sure I would have gotten it.
Thanks!
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Conan on May 03, 2011 at 02:30 PM
Audyssey is amazing.

I live in a townhouse so I have to be wary not to disturb the neighbors (too much).

I was looking at an Onkyo but their implementation of Audyssey IMHO is a step behind their Denon equivalents (price wise).

Multi2EQ is implemented on the Onkyo 509 but MultiEQ XT is available on the Denon 1610/11/12.




Audyssey is more advanced on the Denon receivers but the Onkyo's have better amplifiers and power the speakers better.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Stagea on May 03, 2011 at 02:38 PM
Audyssey is amazing.

I live in a townhouse so I have to be wary not to disturb the neighbors (too much).

I was looking at an Onkyo but their implementation of Audyssey IMHO is a step behind their Denon equivalents (price wise).

Multi2EQ is implemented on the Onkyo 509 but MultiEQ XT is available on the Denon 1610/11/12.




The Onkyo 509 uses 2EQ, while the Denon 1612 uses MultEQ. MultEQ XT is a higher implementation still, that is not in either of these models.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Tempter on May 03, 2011 at 02:49 PM
My next receiver is most probably DENON!!!  ;D

I am starting to hate ONKYO...  :D
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: scifi-fan on May 03, 2011 at 03:05 PM
Unfortunately DENON has the LOUSIEST GUI compared to Pioneer (I think the best) and Onkyo.

Mahirap talaga magdecide ng upgrade now that I'm more aware of the technology. Back when I got the 1610 I was just going back into HT so the choice was easier (ignorance is bliss).

Now that I'm a bit smarter I know my needs.

- Sound must be top notch BUT not at the expense of clarity at Low Volumes (I watch movies more than Music).

I'll probably upgrade when I see Airplay fully implemented the way it should be because I have lots of Apple products in my household (mac, ipad, iphone, ipod touch). For now it seems Pioneer leads in this area but I can't get a AVR without Audyssey. Without Audyssey I had to constantly have the remote in my hand lest biglang mag-boom yung bahay sa lakas ng tunog during action sequences mas lalo na at night when I am watching.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Tempter on May 03, 2011 at 03:12 PM
Unfortunately DENON has the LOUSIEST GUI compared to Pioneer (I think the best) and Onkyo.

Mahirap talaga magdecide ng upgrade now that I'm more aware of the technology. Back when I got the 1610 I was just going back into HT so the choice was easier (ignorance is bliss).

Now that I'm a bit smarter I know my needs.

- Sound must be top notch BUT not at the expense of clarity at Low Volumes (I watch movies more than Music).

I'll probably upgrade when I see Airplay fully implemented the way it should be because I have lots of Apple products in my household (mac, ipad, iphone, ipod touch). For now it seems Pioneer leads in this area but I can't get a AVR without Audyssey. Without Audyssey I had to constantly have the remote in my hand lest biglang mag-boom yung bahay sa lakas ng tunog during action sequences mas lalo na at night when I am watching.


Yun bang Dolby Volume parang Audyssey Dyn Vol din ang purpose? O pang Dolby sources lang sya?  ???
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: scifi-fan on May 03, 2011 at 03:26 PM
I think you're talking about Dolby DRC (Dynamic Range Compression)

Yes it's limited to content with dolby audio tracks with DRC.

With Audyssey, it doesn't matter whether the audio codec is used.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Tempter on May 03, 2011 at 03:40 PM
Just googled it, no sir, it is similar to Audyssey Dyn Vol nga. Onkyo 5007 has it.

When it comes to GUI, it doesnt really bother me much, kasi setup lang naman yun. Ang importante madaling maintindihan at mabago ang settings. Pero empre, its nice to have.  :)
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: nogie on May 03, 2011 at 04:02 PM
My next receiver is most probably DENON!!!  ;D

I am starting to hate ONKYO...  :D

This is exactly the reason why keep more than enough receivers. When i get tired of one's brand sound & switch to another. I have 3 onkyos(3008,876,707), 3 yamaha's(6090,1800,2700), 3 denons(4306,2807,2808), & 1 sony(5200ES). Not to mention the 3 stereo receivers i have in my warehouse.  ;D
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Conan on May 03, 2011 at 04:19 PM
This is exactly the reason why keep more than enough receivers. When i get tired of one's brand sound & switch to another. I have 3 onkyos(3008,876,707), 3 yamaha's(6090,1800,2700), 3 denons(4306,2807,2808), & 1 sony(5200ES). Not to mention the 3 stereo receivers i have in my warehouse.  ;D

No Pioneer? I wish I could do the same as you!  ;D
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Tempter on May 03, 2011 at 04:21 PM
No Pioneer? I wish I could do the same as you!  ;D

Gusto ko sana yung Pio VSX-33, kaso the time na naghahanap ako medyo mahal pa. Pero ngayon may nakita ako sa Amazon 500+ na lang.  >:(
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: nogie on May 03, 2011 at 04:36 PM
No Pioneer? I wish I could do the same as you!  ;D

Meron ako dati Elite 81TXV pero pinasa ko na ke Ted (Tasplan).  ;D
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Conan on May 03, 2011 at 04:47 PM
Meron ako dati Elite 81TXV pero pinasa ko na ke Ted (Tasplan).  ;D

How would you describe the sound of the Pioneer Elite receiver?
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: nogie on May 03, 2011 at 05:16 PM
How would you describe the sound of the Pioneer Elite receiver?

For me sound of the pioneer elite is very close to the signature sound of Denon that has more emphasis on the highs. Kaya siguro sinasabi nila na bright sounding receiver ang pioneer. I was using a wharfe 9 series diamond before & I like the sound. Kaya lang, I also like to try marantz that's why I have to dispose it to fund my insanity over AVRs.  ;D
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Conan on May 03, 2011 at 05:23 PM
For me sound of the pioneer elite is very close to the signature sound of Denon that has more emphasis on the highs. Kaya siguro sinasabi nila na bright sounding receiver ang pioneer. I was using a wharfe 9 series diamond before & I like the sound. Kaya lang, I also like to try marantz that's why I have to dispose it to fund my insanity over AVRs.  ;D

Have you had a NAD receiver yet? That one intrigues me but it's quite pricey.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: nogie on May 03, 2011 at 05:36 PM
Have you had a NAD receiver yet? That one intrigues me but it's quite pricey.

I never had a NAD. Mahal eh, nasa price range ng Rotel at Integra.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Tavus on May 04, 2011 at 12:29 PM
guys heres one:
denon 1910
90 watts
bi amping
audssey
equalizer
stand by passthrough
4hdmi
upscaling SD to HD
harman kardon 1600
50 watts++
EZ SET/EQ
3hdmi
 ???
edit:fixed shpelling
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: scifi-fan on May 04, 2011 at 12:37 PM
Harman Kardon 1910????
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: jhelenz on May 04, 2011 at 12:43 PM
guys heres one:
denon 1910
90 watts
bi amping
audssey
equalizer
stand by passthrough
4hdmi
upscaling SD to HD
harman kardon 1910
50 watts++
EZ SET/EQ
3hdmi
 ???


based on the specs,i would vote for denon 1910.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Conan on May 04, 2011 at 03:04 PM
guys heres one:
denon 1910
90 watts
bi amping
audssey
equalizer
stand by passthrough
4hdmi
upscaling SD to HD
harman kardon 1600
50 watts++
EZ SET/EQ
3hdmi
 ???
edit:fixed shpelling

Harman Kardon wattage may seem understated because that is with all channels driven. The Denon spec is for two channels driven only.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Tavus on May 04, 2011 at 03:14 PM
Harman Kardon wattage may seem understated because that is with all channels driven. The Denon spec is for two channels driven only.
yes i've read about Japanese brand always inflate there power figures pero has anyone done a side b side comparison between denon and harman kardon.

ganda kasi ng features ng denon.
HarmanK may sound better as some claim pero its features are so bare. It's sound quality must be so good that it trounces denon's features, which I don't really know... 
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Conan on May 04, 2011 at 03:19 PM
yes i've read about Japanese brand always inflate there power figures pero has anyone done a side b side comparison between denon and harman kardon.

ganda kasi ng features ng denon.
HarmanK may sound better as some claim pero its features are so bare. It's sound quality must be so good that it trounces denon's features, which I don't really know... 

I think HK's have a warmer sound compared to Denon. Best to do a comparison and with what speakers will you pair your potential receiver with?
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Tavus on May 04, 2011 at 03:38 PM
tama ka . its up to my ears nga if i have to decide what to buy... i hope the deal has a denon 1910 or similar and harman 1600 for testing
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: stockHT on May 10, 2011 at 04:21 PM
 ;) I already decided to buy Pioneer 520k but - I saw SnS selling Marantz SR3053 for almost 17k.

i tried to make a quick spec-check and 520 is on 100watts while 3053 is only 8. 520k is 3d ready but 3053, not sure if it is 3d ready because it only sports 1.3a hdmi version and with only 2 hdmi input.

That's the best comparison i can give becasue i have not heard any marantz receivers before.

so to those who already heard both receivers... which one will you recommend?


thanks!
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Wildfire™ on May 10, 2011 at 05:03 PM
if im on your shoes il get the marantz
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: scifi-fan on May 10, 2011 at 05:09 PM
For me the lack of TrueHD and DTS Master Audio is a dealbreaker for the Marantz.

Although not a lot may be familiar, HDMI 1.4 includes 3D/ethernet capabilities and Marantz HDMI 1.3a doesn't even include HDMI Standby source.

For me it's important because not all the time will I be using a AVR. With HDMI Standby you can keep the receiver off and the last source used will be passed through to the TV.

A good example is when my 6 yr old watches stuff on the media player, he doesn't turn on the AVR anymore coz he doesn't appreciate it yet so he uses the TV only. Without HDMI standby it wouldn't be possible for him to use the HT setup in the living room coz' it would be too complicated.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Conan on May 10, 2011 at 05:14 PM
;) I already decided to buy Pioneer 520k but - I saw SnS selling Marantz SR3053 for almost 17k.

i tried to make a quick spec-check and 520 is on 100watts while 3053 is only 8. 520k is 3d ready but 3053, not sure if it is 3d ready because it only sports 1.3a hdmi version and with only 2 hdmi input.

That's the best comparison i can give becasue i have not heard any marantz receivers before.

so to those who already heard both receivers... which one will you recommend?


thanks!

The pioneer is actually only 80 watts per channel.

http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Home/AV-Receivers/Pioneer+Receivers/VSX-520-K

Though too many downsides of the Marantz as scifi-fan has pointed out.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Cosmic79 on May 10, 2011 at 07:03 PM
;) I already decided to buy Pioneer 520k but - I saw SnS selling Marantz SR3053 for almost 17k.

i tried to make a quick spec-check and 520 is on 100watts while 3053 is only 8. 520k is 3d ready but 3053, not sure if it is 3d ready because it only sports 1.3a hdmi version and with only 2 hdmi input.

That's the best comparison i can give becasue i have not heard any marantz receivers before.

so to those who already heard both receivers... which one will you recommend?


thanks!

In my opinion best that you personally audition both brands. Sound quality preference may always be subjective and different people have their own taste for sound characteristics. We can help with our added inputs but I think you still need to audition.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: stockHT on May 10, 2011 at 07:15 PM
For me the lack of TrueHD and DTS Master Audio is a dealbreaker for the Marantz.

Although not a lot may be familiar, HDMI 1.4 includes 3D/ethernet capabilities and Marantz HDMI 1.3a doesn't even include HDMI Standby source.

For me it's important because not all the time will I be using a AVR. With HDMI Standby you can keep the receiver off and the last source used will be passed through to the TV.

A good example is when my 6 yr old watches stuff on the media player, he doesn't turn on the AVR anymore coz he doesn't appreciate it yet so he uses the TV only. Without HDMI standby it wouldn't be possible for him to use the HT setup in the living room coz' it would be too complicated.

sir I appreciate you pointing this out - I have a 5 year old kid and I setup my 500GB and fill it up with all the cartoons she needs and connected it to my xtreamer - when she's the one watching, we only use the TV's audio -

If i understand it right sir, if my xtreamer is connected to pio 520k via hdmi then 520k to LCD, if i turn on the LCDTV and the xtreamer without powering on the 520k and play movies in xtreamer - the sound will be coming out from the LCD?

Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: stockHT on May 10, 2011 at 07:18 PM
The pioneer is actually only 80 watts per channel.

http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Home/AV-Receivers/Pioneer+Receivers/VSX-520-K

Though too many downsides of the Marantz as scifi-fan has pointed out.

sir in Amazon, 520k is rated at 110x5 Watts. Im noob at rms etc. does this mean that 110 is like combination of several channels?
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: scifi-fan on May 10, 2011 at 07:27 PM
sir I appreciate you pointing this out - I have a 5 year old kid and I setup my 500GB and fill it up with all the cartoons she needs and connected it to my xtreamer - when she's the one watching, we only use the TV's audio -

If i understand it right sir, if my xtreamer is connected to pio 520k via hdmi then 520k to LCD, if i turn on the LCDTV and the xtreamer without powering on the 520k and play movies in xtreamer - the sound will be coming out from the LCD?



Exactly.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: stockHT on May 10, 2011 at 07:39 PM
Exactly.



perfect! thanks!
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Conan on May 10, 2011 at 07:45 PM
sir in Amazon, 520k is rated at 110x5 Watts. Im noob at rms etc. does this mean that 110 is like combination of several channels?

No it's 80 watts. They inflate it by rating it at 1khz instead of 20hz to 20,000hz which is how it is stated in Pioneer's web site.
Title: Re: Onkyo 608 vs Yamaha 667
Post by: lrdcly on May 25, 2011 at 07:33 PM
magkano ba 667 sa local stores? ;D parang gusto ko din nito.hehe
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: stockHT on May 27, 2011 at 03:07 PM
Exactly.



sir just confirmed that the 502 does not do standby pass though :(
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: warmaster on May 28, 2011 at 02:32 PM

sir just confirmed that the 502 does not do standby pass though :(

magpa pass through naman siya pero di nagstandby yung 520. sa audio parameters may option to set the hdmi to thru and yun, sa tv lang ang audio, pero naka on pa rin yung reciever
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Audioknox on Oct 23, 2011 at 09:19 AM
mga sir pa help..

Pioneer VSX1020 (P22K original P42K) or Denon 1912(33.5K)..

whats more bang for the buck option?

to be used for future upgrade:
Polk RTi A9 or Paradigm Monitor 9 or Paradigm Studio 60

bought SVS pb10nsd (to be pick-up later)

will both have enough power to drive these speakers?
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Nelson de Leon on Oct 23, 2011 at 12:52 PM
mga sir pa help..

Pioneer VSX1020 (P22K original P42K) or Denon 1912(33.5K)..

whats more bang for the buck option?

to be used for future upgrade:
Polk RTi A9 or Paradigm Monitor 9 or Paradigm Studio 60

bought SVS pb10nsd (to be pick-up later)

will both have enough power to drive these speakers?

User of vsx 1020 here. Haven't heard the denon yet.I like the features ng Pio esp. the 9 band EQ and it's ipod ready. May front height or width option pa.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: vladshoteyes on Nov 21, 2011 at 05:45 PM
hi Guys, gurus,

need help.

I have an onkyo TX SR706 (110V). I have a friend who's willing to trade his Onkyo 606 (220V). My dilemma are:
1. budget wise, I need decent fronts (currently have satellite speakers for mid-size room)
2. considering I have velodyne VRP 1000 (110V), which by the way I'm also considering on trading or selling and get US Audio 512.
3. specs wise? I really don't know. I'm literally a newbie on HT, but loves music and movies.
4. regarding price for each - am i on the "lugi" side or not?
5. One of the reasons I'm considering trading my receiver is because, budget wise, I need to make ipon for a better fronts (or complete 5.1)  and 2nd, given both (receiver and sub) are 110V, I have to invest on high quality AVR or stepdown transformer, which I don't have. And will not be getting as I can/may use the funds for speakers.

I know, some would react as to retain my former, but then again, I need funds for decent speakers to complete my set.

Hope any of you can share your thoughts on this.

Thanks.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: ehmarzo on Nov 24, 2011 at 10:57 AM
Pioneer VSX-1020  or VSX-921 ?

same price range.  which one should i get?  pareho may video upscaling,  921 nga lang pwede ipad. 

hindi ba standy pass through ang 1020? 


thanks
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: ramgos on Dec 13, 2011 at 06:17 PM
mga sir, does anybody know if may standby pass through yung HK 156? Which is a better AVR between the HK156 and Denon 1612? to be paired with A-Audio 5.1. Pls need your advise sir.  ;D
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: 22owen on Mar 12, 2012 at 09:13 PM
mga sir, does anybody know if may standby pass through yung HK 156? Which is a better AVR between the HK156 and Denon 1612? to be paired with A-Audio 5.1. Pls need your advise sir.  ;D

  wala po standbypassthrough hk156..kakasilip ko lang from my friends avr hk156 an hour ago :)
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Zexadron on Apr 08, 2012 at 07:31 PM
 YAMAHA  RX-V373 , ONKYO TX-SR313 and DENON AVR-1612  from cructchfield.com

 Anong choice niyo diyan sa 3 basing sa specs nila?  ;)
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: raider125jeigh on Apr 08, 2012 at 09:09 PM
YAMAHA  RX-V373 , ONKYO TX-SR313 and DENON AVR-1612  from cructchfield.com

 Anong choice niyo diyan sa 3 basing sa specs nila?  ;)

avr1612
pero better get the 1912
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: espionage on Apr 11, 2012 at 02:03 PM
mga sir pa help..

Pioneer VX521 o Onkyo TR509? Which is more bang for the buck option? ;)
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: espionage on Apr 11, 2012 at 02:11 PM
eto pa pla Marantz SR3053.

Pioneer VX521 o Onkyo TR509 o Marantz SR3053? Which is more bang for the buck option?
70% movies and 30% music ;D

Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Wildfire™ on Jun 26, 2012 at 10:15 PM
eto pa pla Marantz SR3053.

Pioneer VX521 o Onkyo TR509 o Marantz SR3053? Which is more bang for the buck option?
70% movies and 30% music ;D



get the marantz it sounds fantastic
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Frankthetank on Jul 03, 2012 at 10:18 AM
Ano po mas okay sa dalawa?

Pioneer vsx521 or Onkyo 509?

Bale 75% Movies and 25% Music ang gamit ko po.

To be paired with Polk Audio TSi Series.

Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Stagea on Aug 01, 2012 at 10:28 PM
Ano po mas okay sa dalawa?

Pioneer vsx521 or Onkyo 509?

Bale 75% Movies and 25% Music ang gamit ko po.

To be paired with Polk Audio TSi Series.

Thanks in advance.

VSX-521 has much better equalization and may probably output more clean power (they test at the same power with 0.08% THD tolerance for the P versus 0.7% THD for the O). The TX-NR509 is network capable on the other hand, and comes with the features typical of a networked AVR (data streaming and can be controlled over the network). The 509 also has a USB port for mass storage devices and supported handhelds, which is not present in the 521.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Frankthetank on Aug 02, 2012 at 10:21 AM
Thanks sir Stagea.

Already bought Pio 521, very much satisfied with it :)
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: g3lo on Aug 05, 2012 at 07:51 AM
Thanks sir Stagea.

Already bought Pio 521, very much satisfied with it :)

More or kess how much is the 521k? Thanks.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Frankthetank on Aug 05, 2012 at 09:49 AM
More or kess how much is the 521k? Thanks.

Original price is 15k got it at a sale price of 9.9k
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: md30 on Sep 14, 2012 at 08:21 PM
Original price is 15k got it at a sale price of 9.9k

 san nyo po nabili yung pio521 ninyo? thanks!
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: inan2151 on Oct 01, 2012 at 03:55 PM
I'm planning to upgrade my av receiver which is a pioneer vsx-520. Which is better, HK 165 or Onkyo 509? I'm use my amp for music and movies, probably on 60:40 ratio. thanks.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Tavus on Nov 09, 2012 at 11:45 PM
I'm planning to upgrade my av receiver which is a pioneer vsx-520. Which is better, HK 165 or Onkyo 509? I'm use my amp for music and movies, probably on 60:40 ratio. thanks.
hmm no reply.

your just trading an entry level model for another entry level one. Try going higher, like the pioneer 1121, harman kardon 365, onkyo 818 or denon 2312.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: RXV on Nov 09, 2012 at 11:57 PM
hmm no reply.

your just trading an entry level model for another entry level one. Try going higher, like the pioneer 1121, harman kardon 365, onkyo 818 or denon 2312.

Same here. Upgrading to a higher level/model will yield better results and prevent SARS attack :)
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Timithekid on Nov 10, 2012 at 12:23 AM
Same here. Upgrading to a higher level/model will yield better results and prevent SARS attack :)

or he can always go separates.  :)
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Tavus on Nov 10, 2012 at 07:18 PM
separates cost as much as a small car!
Saw the marantz AV7701 at the audio show. Cost around 79k which is probably the cheapest 7.1 processor for now.

edit i forgot the cheapest was the AV7005, i wonder why this unit isn't sold here. :'(
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: iconlord on Apr 12, 2013 at 04:01 AM
which is better Yamaha RX V373 or Pioneer VSX-522K?

i have a wharfedale 10cm center and planning to buy wharfe 10.6 fronts.

please help me decide.. thanks
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: pagalang on May 06, 2013 at 12:39 PM
Hi,

   Thinking of upgrading my old Onkyo 575 model.
 
   What do you suggest for it to match my old school 5.1 speakers? (It's B&W 302 series fronts and surround, B&W CM3, and Ditton Subwoofer)

   I'm thinking of the Onkyo 515 or 616 model.  Although having second thoughts given the issues/negative feedback from other forums.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Tavus on May 12, 2013 at 07:40 PM
whats your budget  pagalang?
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: avshop on May 12, 2013 at 11:09 PM
Hi,

   Thinking of upgrading my old Onkyo 575 model.
 
   What do you suggest for it to match my old school 5.1 speakers? (It's B&W 302 series fronts and surround, B&W CM3, and Ditton Subwoofer)

   I'm thinking of the Onkyo 515 or 616 model.  Although having second thoughts given the issues/negative feedback from other forums.


Check out the marantz sr5007, sr6007 and sr7007 receivers. :)
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: pagalang on May 15, 2013 at 07:25 AM
whats your budget  pagalang?

P 30k at max, looking of course as an upgrade to current amp. happy with it having really warm tones.
:-)
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Tavus on May 15, 2013 at 10:20 AM
P 30k at max, looking of course as an upgrade to current amp. happy with it having really warm tones.
:-)
With that budget I would get the the denon 2313, selling for 31k or the pioneer lx 53 35k. I would go for the denon just for the audessey XT, i have the pioneer which uses mcacc, which is not too bad either. both  have local warranty  in the  marketplace.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: pagalang on May 15, 2013 at 12:53 PM
With that budget I would get the the denon 2313, selling for 31k or the pioneer lx 53 35k. I would go for the denon just for the audessey XT, i have the pioneer which uses mcacc, which is not too bad either. both  have local warranty  in the  marketplace.

Thanks for the Denon model recommendation. will check it out too :-)

Just want to match though with B&W and looking for warmness in sound/tone.  I'm not an expert but I only tried before Yamaha and it was too bright/in your face for me.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Ninja Assasin on May 15, 2013 at 12:55 PM
Yamaha RXV-573 or 673, that's the real upgrade :D
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: superJ on Aug 16, 2013 at 10:04 PM
Newby here mga Gurus,

Just need your help, I am torn between choosing the HK AVR 170 vs. the Yamaha RXV 475? Which is better? Thanks in advance!
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: ♡ lvcdg23™ ✌ on Aug 16, 2013 at 11:03 PM
Newby here mga Gurus,

Just need your help, I am torn between choosing the HK AVR 170 vs. the Yamaha RXV 475? Which is better? Thanks in advance!

What speakers are you going to use them with...
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: superJ on Aug 16, 2013 at 11:59 PM
What speakers are you going to use them with...

Thanks for replying sir Louie, I will be using my old paradigm atoms v3 speakers, cc170 center and polk audio psw110 as sub, what would you recommend sir?
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: banjo80 on Oct 05, 2013 at 11:32 PM
(http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2870/10100874606_cfb9beddb6_m.jpg)
eto na lang hehe
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: churchovdeath on Oct 29, 2013 at 10:02 AM
ano po kaya mas okay, Denon 1713 or pioneer 522? starting to build my HT palang, plan to buy Polk Tsi speakers. thanks!
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: mykel18 on Oct 29, 2013 at 10:21 AM
Go for Denon. Pioneer + Polk Audio tends to be bright sounding.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: -mhan- on Oct 29, 2013 at 11:30 AM
plan ko na bumili next month ng AV recievers,

anu mas ok sa dalawang ito in terms of 60% music / 40 % movies;

Harman Kardon AVR170 vs. Denon 2113 / 1913.

at balak ko ipair sa Polk TSx series.

Title: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: crazyhog on Oct 29, 2013 at 12:26 PM
Go for Denon. Pioneer + Polk Audio tends to be bright sounding.

OT lng sir.

Pls bare w/ my ignorance. When you say bright, it means more on treble yun angat? ( treble = on tweeter?)
If yes, why not adjust the equalizer para ma tame un pagka bright. Or mali akO? :( .
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: coastal on Oct 29, 2013 at 12:50 PM
http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,1697.msg26053.html#msg26053
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: mykel18 on Oct 29, 2013 at 01:21 PM
OT lng sir.

Pls bare w/ my ignorance. When you say bright, it means more on treble yun angat? ( treble = on tweeter?)
If yes, why not adjust the equalizer para ma tame un pagka bright. Or mali akO? :( .


Pwede rin adjust sir if you really prefer that option. But when you encounter an overly bright sounding soundtrack or song, then you will have less or no more room for adjustment since you have adjusted the treble to low already in the beginning. Hope that helps.  ^-^
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: scofield on Dec 18, 2013 at 07:55 AM
Mga bossing bumabalik ako sa home theater. Tanong ko lang ay kung ano mas bang for the buck yamaha rxv575 or onkyo 626?

Gagamitin ko pa rin sa luma kong set up primus 160 at 150 with c250 na center speaker.
Nagloloko na kasi yung hk avr135 ko. Kailangan ko atleast 6 channel sana kasi masasayang naman yung surr. back ko kapag 5.1 lng binili ko avr.

Salamat.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: mc03_12 on Dec 18, 2013 at 08:17 AM
ano po ba ang magandang receiver para sa jamo 406?
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: dm1179 on Dec 18, 2013 at 11:30 AM
Quote
ano po ba ang magandang receiver para sa jamo 406?
honestly, whatever fits your budget. audition ka na lang ng different brands and pick what sounds good to you.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: egzbuen on Dec 29, 2013 at 06:33 PM
I'm confused now. Should I get a brand new Yamaha 665 at 23,5k or pre-owned 2yrs used at 15k?

How about a brand new Yamaha 573 at 18k?

Finally, a denon which is on sale right.now at listening in style from 29k to 14,9k but only 5.1?

Confusing.....
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Philander on Dec 29, 2013 at 06:44 PM
If you need pre-out and 7.2, then yamaha 665.

That Denon is a networked AV receiver, so if you are after network features, then get the Denon (5.1) or the Yamaha 573 (7.1)

Iba pa rin ang bnew, may warranty
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: egzbuen on Dec 29, 2013 at 07:16 PM
If you need pre-out and 7.2, then yamaha 665.

That Denon is a networked AV receiver, so if you are after network features, then get the Denon (5.1) or the Yamaha 573 (7.1)

Iba pa rin ang bnew, may warranty

Thanks Philander.

There is also the brand new 575 at 25,5k. I think this model is the newer one but the older 656 is more powerful.

Add the 575 to the mix, and I'm more confused.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: javauser on Dec 29, 2013 at 11:27 PM
I upgraded from a Yamaha RXV-673 to a Denon AVR-X4000. The difference is night and day.

Thanks Philander.

There is also the brand new 575 at 25,5k. I think this model is the newer one but the older 656 is more powerful.

Add the 575 to the mix, and I'm more confused.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: LETOR on Dec 31, 2013 at 03:40 PM
Which is better Onkyo 818 or Marantz 5008 in terms of movie and music application? thanks for any insights.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Philander on Jan 01, 2014 at 04:17 AM
Marantz is always known for musical quality receiver, while Onkyo is a performer in movies (of course when paired with a matching speaker).

If you are after musical quality then get the Marants; musical quality of Marantz compared to Onkyo is way way better; in movies Onkyo shall win by very very slim margin.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: LETOR on Jan 01, 2014 at 06:27 PM
Marantz is always known for musical quality receiver, while Onkyo is a performer in movies (of course when paired with a matching speaker).

If you are after musical quality then get the Marants; musical quality of Marantz compared to Onkyo is way way better; in movies Onkyo shall win by very very slim margin.
Thanks for the info sir. I'm more inclined to musical quality without sacrificing too much on movie performance. My existing speakers are Wharfedales Diamonds 8 series (Front & Center), would these speakers match with Marantz receivers?
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: iamstormchaser on Jan 07, 2014 at 12:27 PM
Rotel RA-10 v Marantz PM-6005 v Rega Brio R?

Now which to get?

Paired with (RP6+Exact)+Mission MX-3

I listen to a wide range of music..

Top 3 genres would be:

1. 90's grunge and alternative music
2. oldies in the form of Ray Charles, Neil Sedaka and Frank Sinatra
3. 80's popular music

Any thoughts?
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: bhenard on Jan 15, 2014 at 10:14 AM
Marantz is always known for musical quality receiver, while Onkyo is a performer in movies (of course when paired with a matching speaker).

If you are after musical quality then get the Marants; musical quality of Marantz compared to Onkyo is way way better; in movies Onkyo shall win by very very slim margin.
+1000 ako dito

I have this both brand Onkyo 616 & Marantz PM7003

I paired Marantz over PSB T6 FS for music while Onkyo 616 to Polk Rti series for movies at -2 treble
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: egzbuen on Jan 17, 2014 at 11:01 AM
How does the Marantz SR5003 sound at present date? Still recommended despite its age?

Thanks.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: HiFi FreQs on Feb 19, 2014 at 10:30 PM
Mga bro u might want to consider sherwood av receivers, its an old old us brand. Yep its back check nyo sa www.hififreqs.webs.com.  Of course, the Yamaha, Onkyo and Marantz are all very good receivers pero minsan nakaka umay narin. Just a thought! Cheers!
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: bingcobra on Mar 18, 2014 at 09:39 PM
Guy/Brother I am new here, I just want your advice if it is ok to have a Yamaha RXV475 A/V, Super Nova 8 and Polk sub 125. Hope to receive your suggestions and comments before I will buy this items.

Thank you.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Nelson de Leon on Mar 18, 2014 at 11:05 PM
Guy/Brother I am new here, I just want your advice if it is ok to have a Yamaha RXV475 A/V, Super Nova 8 and Polk sub 125. Hope to receive your suggestions and comments before I will buy this items.

Thank you.

Specs wise i guess mukhang kaya naman i-drive ng yamaha at 92db. Pero ang gulo ng specs niya. Some review says it's 8 ohms. Yun iba 4 ohms. Kapag 4ohms and floorstander, baka mahirapan ang receiver. SQ wise, i really haven't auditioned Super Nova so i'm not in a good position to comment.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: bingcobra on Mar 19, 2014 at 09:15 AM
thanks brod nelson. what will be your recommendation once i use Yamaha rxv475 a/v? polk psw125 is ok.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: tonedeaf on Mar 29, 2014 at 06:26 PM
To be paired with PSB Image B6 + C5, for 7.1 set up -

Denon AVR X2000 or Yamaha Aventage RX A720 or Yamaha RX-V575? Or should I think of spending a bit more, for the Marantz 5008?
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Courage on Mar 29, 2014 at 09:19 PM
To be paired with PSB Image B6 + C5, for 7.1 set up -

Denon AVR X2000 or Yamaha Aventage RX A720 or Yamaha RX-V575? Or should I think of spending a bit more, for the Marantz 5008?


Add a little more and get the Aventage RX-A830 or 1030.. Maganda din yung Marantz..
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: tonedeaf on Mar 29, 2014 at 09:35 PM
Hmm. With the Marantz 5008 and the Aventage RX-A830, that'll be in the 40K and above range. Isama ko na equivalent from Harman Kardon, I think 171 yata.

Anything above 40K always gives me pause. Hahaha!

Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: egzbuen on Apr 15, 2014 at 03:19 PM
Brand new Yamaha 573 (Php18k with 1 yr warranty) or Yamaha 575 (20k) with 6 months remaining warranty or pre-Owned Pioneer 1022 (Php15k with one month warranty)?

Take the warranty issue out of the equation, still the same recommendation?

Thanks.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: ABCmotorparts on Jun 07, 2014 at 10:31 AM
Aventage,..!
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: barrister on Jun 24, 2014 at 05:51 PM

Dolby Atmos thundering into home theaters
with the help of Onkyo, others
Onkyo leads charge for even bigger living room sound
By JR Bookwalter  11h ago 

... Onkyo plans to be first out of the gate with Dolby Atmos support for its upcoming TX-NR1030 and TX-NR3030 network receivers as well as the PR-SC5530 Network A/V Controller, a pair of "home theater in a box" systems and new speaker packages.

http://www.techradar.com/news/home-cinema/home-theatre-audio/dolby-atmos-thunders-into-home-theaters-this-summer-1254510 (http://www.techradar.com/news/home-cinema/home-theatre-audio/dolby-atmos-thunders-into-home-theaters-this-summer-1254510)
 
 
 

Denon, Marantz, Pioneer, Onkyo, Integra
Reveal Dolby Atmos-Equipped Home Theater Gear
By Chris Boylan
Published: 2014-06-23 - 15:50:04
 
(http://www.bigpicturebigsound.com/artman2/uploads/4/dolby-atmos-surround-diagram-700.jpg)

 
Though we got Onkyo's Dolby Atmos news earlier than the rest, sure enough, other electronics manufacturer are showing their support for Dolby Atmos surround by offering home theater products (mostly A/V receivers) with built-in Dolby Atmos decoding. Pioneer, Denon, Marantz and Integra have all sent out official announcements for upcoming products that will include Dolby Atmos decoding.

http://www.bigpicturebigsound.com/Denon-Marantz-Pioneer-Onkyo-Integra-Reveal-Dolby-Atmos-Equipped-Home-Theater-Gear.shtml (http://www.bigpicturebigsound.com/Denon-Marantz-Pioneer-Onkyo-Integra-Reveal-Dolby-Atmos-Equipped-Home-Theater-Gear.shtml)
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Mave on Sep 12, 2014 at 07:25 PM
Mga sir ask ko lang, if anu po possible receiver na pepwede sa speakers na galing sa HTIB particularly Panasonic SA-PT465? Sira na kase yung kasamang dvd/av receiver TIA!
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: sientobente on Oct 11, 2014 at 05:20 AM
check niyo sir kung ilang ohms yang mga speakers ng htib speakers, coz the last time i checked the one that came with our sony lcd, it is around 16 ohms and that does not sound like a compatible load on regular AVRs.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: mac_daddy on Nov 10, 2014 at 07:41 AM
Was checking out onkyo 838 sa web, then nakita ko yung Pioneer SC-LX58, meron na ba nito dito and may naka try na ba?
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Dracula on Jan 15, 2015 at 12:57 AM
Stick with the go to brands Onkyo Denon Harman and Yamaha
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Nelson de Leon on Jan 15, 2015 at 02:53 PM
Was checking out onkyo 838 sa web, then nakita ko yung Pioneer SC-LX58, meron na ba nito dito and may naka try na ba?

Naka Pio SC-63 ako. Very happy camper. Very powerful amp section, very much tweakable.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: Dash Yuuki on Jan 24, 2015 at 02:04 PM
Hello to all!

Meron akong Pioneer MCS-333 na HTIB, ok naman para sa akin pero bitin ako sa lakas, which is why I am planning to go to the separates route.

After having research and self-analysis, masasabi kong sapat na para sa akin ang entry-level AV Receiver, as long it can provide decent SQ and sufficient sound output. I am planning to buy an entry-level receiver, a Yamaha RX-V371.

1. I am willing to save and shed PHP 30,000, will this be enough for a receiver and a pair of decent fronts?
2. I will use my existing HTIB system , as the main media source, and will keep its speakers while not being used. Will this be viable?
3. Basically 50% movies 50% music, we watch action and adventure movies, yung tipong may gun fires and explosions, and sa music naman mostly rock, metal, may konting hip-hop at pop.
4. Based sa reviews and feedbacks na nababasa ko sa forum, si Yamaha ay hindi pihikan sa speakers (If I understood it correctly or in a different way, please correct me). May maisa-suggest pa po bang receiver within the PHP 15-16000 range, yung 14000 i la laan sa speakers at sa kung anu anu pa.

Opinions and feedbacks are much welcome. Salamat!
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: banjo80 on Jan 30, 2015 at 08:17 AM
my first av receiver was an onkyo nr804... but after 3yrs nakarinig nako ng humming sound at -11db .. :-\ ... I immediately sent the item to an onkyo authorized service center and then they said it would cost me 15k plus for the repair of my beloved av amp, they also charged 2,500 for the diagnostic. Binenta ko right away. Kinuha naman agad ng napagbilhan ko kahit alam niya na may ugong. Now yamaha rxv 773 nako and for 2yrs of use wala pa naman problem hehe :) at hindi pareho nang onkyo na sobrang init na pwede kang maginit nang burger pag ipatong mo eh.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: meat_eater on Jan 30, 2015 at 08:21 AM
Stick with the go to brands Onkyo Denon Harman and Yamaha

There are also other brands to consider, some of which are even better brands such NAD, Marantz, Anthem, Rotel, and Emotiva.

Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: plapoy on Dec 21, 2017 at 06:19 PM
Hi i'm looking for a denon receiver with the same spec as onkyo 676. can you recommend one so i can do some comparison. Thank you.
Title: Re: Comparisons of Receivers
Post by: jao143 on Dec 28, 2020 at 08:29 PM
I’m thinking of getting either a cambridge audio cxa81 or a rotel rc1572. Will be using either as a preamp. Which you would recommend? Will be hooked to a B&W 606 s2. Thank you.