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Title: DSD, what sould we know?
Post by: timber715 on Jan 23, 2013 at 03:32 PM
I have been reading a lot about digital audio and tried my first dsd file today...  :o pleasantly good! Unfortunately my dac can only support 192k so it had to be down sampled by Jriver.
I have searched the net and found only a very few dacs that still support this. The only one I am aware that is sold locally is the DCS dac which easily cost more than my car....
The good thing is that there are still very limited number of sources to acquire this type of music. Good bec we know it is still not mainstream, but it will come.
DSD is suppose to be as good as analogue..? yes?
Title: Re: DSD, what sould we know?
Post by: Stagea on Jan 23, 2013 at 03:56 PM
DSD is suppose to be as good as analogue..? yes?

That depends on which analogue, and how you're comparing them. Live SR is also often analogue, afterall.

Both PDM and PCM formats can be really good. Since your DAC is PCM-native, I suggest trying 24/192 material (or downsampling higher PCM formats to 24/192).

Title: Re: DSD, what sould we know?
Post by: timber715 on Jan 23, 2013 at 09:29 PM
That depends on which analogue, and how you're comparing them. Live SR is also often analogue, afterall.

Both PDM and PCM formats can be really good. Since your DAC is PCM-native, I suggest trying 24/192 material (or downsampling higher PCM formats to 24/192).


Live SR is it live stream radio? Not familiar with the abbreviation....
Yes analogue it is, but what I meant is analogue coming from vinyl.... Of course it can come from a terrible turntable too, but.....
Yes 24/192 is indeed a good format as it is, but my interest really lies in dsd....
I read in an article that the signal dsd produces is already equal to analogue, hence the interest... I believe that is the direction of digital audio, so why not start early.
If you ask me if I can distinguish a 96k against a 192k I will tell you, i probably could not... Some people want sports cars, I don't mind a simple one and some would be very happy with out of the box components to play music.... Well I don't. I guess its a matter of preference.
Would appreciate info on dsd....
Title: Re: DSD, what sould we know?
Post by: Nelson de Leon on Jan 23, 2013 at 10:26 PM
I have been reading a lot about digital audio and tried my first dsd file today...  :o pleasantly good! Unfortunately my dac can only support 192k so it had to be down sampled by Jriver.
I have searched the net and found only a very few dacs that still support this. The only one I am aware that is sold locally is the DCS dac which easily cost more than my car....
The good thing is that there are still very limited number of sources to acquire this type of music. Good bec we know it is still not mainstream, but it will come.
DSD is suppose to be as good as analogue..? yes?

May alam akong USB DAC na 32/384 native resolution.  ;)
Title: Re: DSD, what sould we know?
Post by: timber715 on Jan 23, 2013 at 10:30 PM
May alam akong USB DAC na 32/384 native resolution.  ;)
is the 01 32/384 Nelson?
Title: Re: DSD, what sould we know?
Post by: Nelson de Leon on Jan 23, 2013 at 10:41 PM
is the 01 32/384 Nelson?

Yes master timber.  ;D the new 01.  ;)
Title: Re: DSD, what sould we know?
Post by: timber715 on Jan 23, 2013 at 10:52 PM
Yes master timber.  ;D the new 01.  ;)
I was searching the web brader, couldn't find the spec... been basing the dac list from here  http://www.audiostream.com/content/dsd-ready-dacs-short-list (http://www.audiostream.com/content/dsd-ready-dacs-short-list)

is this the previous model Nelson of the 01? http://www.musiland.com.cn/index.php/Product/show/id/140 (http://www.musiland.com.cn/index.php/Product/show/id/140)
Title: Re: DSD, what sould we know?
Post by: Nelson de Leon on Jan 23, 2013 at 11:08 PM
Eto master wood maker timber:

http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,159512.msg1612285.html#msg1612285

Title: Re: DSD, what sould we know?
Post by: timber715 on Jan 23, 2013 at 11:12 PM
Eto master wood maker timber:

http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,159512.msg1612285.html#msg1612285
Thanks Nelson... would love to hear the 01 sometime. Not that I would need another dac at this time of course.
Title: Re: DSD, what sould we know?
Post by: joko11 on Jan 23, 2013 at 11:46 PM
ayun may thread na.it wont be long were playing studio quality sound thru ipod ;D .... pang super l33t people kasi tong mga ganitong format.
10 years from now perhaps
Title: Re: DSD, what sould we know?
Post by: Stagea on Jan 23, 2013 at 11:49 PM
Live SR is it live stream radio? Not familiar with the abbreviation....
SR is Sound Reinforcement sir, like those used in concerts.

I read in an article that the signal dsd produces is already equal to analogue, hence the interest... I believe that is the direction of digital audio, so why not start early.
Would appreciate info on dsd....

DSD is direct stream digital, which is a PDM (pulse density modulation) format. SACDs have been using it for 14 years now. It's often either in DSD64fs (SACD format) or DSD128fs (double-rate studio format).

Both DSD and 24-bit LPCM are adequate formats as they exceed the dynamic range that's available in the far majority of recording and playback systems (120dB and 144dB respectively). Transfers to these formats need very little to no compression, which isn't true for Vinyl (maxing out at around 70dB). That being said, the majority of high res digital material is still highly compressed because compression sells (sad but true).

The trend nowadays is to record and manipulate the data in DXD (which is a PCM format), as it offers lesser losses. Eventual distribution can be converted to DSD (a PDM format) or downsampled to a lower LPCM format.

The greatest appeal of DSD is the straightforward conversion to analogue. I believe that DXD and higher PCM formats would eventually displace it however, because of processing ease and sheer resolution.
Title: Re: DSD, what sould we know?
Post by: timber715 on Jan 23, 2013 at 11:53 PM
ayun may thread na.it wont be long were playing studio quality sound thru ipod ;D .... pang super l33t people kasi tong mga ganitong format.
10 years from now perhaps
Maybe 5 years, though music providers are not yet moving, the electronic industry is.... Won't be long when the market dictates dsd.
Maybe its too early for me to speculate, but this just might make records.......... Obsolete.













Or maybe more valued!
Title: Re: DSD, what sould we know?
Post by: timber715 on Jan 23, 2013 at 11:59 PM
SR is Sound Reinforcement sir, like those used in concerts.

DSD is direct stream digital, which is a PDM (pulse density modulation) format. SACDs have been using it for 14 years now. It's often either in DSD64fs (SACD format) or DSD128fs (double-rate studio format).

Both DSD and 24-bit LPCM are adequate formats as they exceed the dynamic range that's available in the far majority of recording and playback systems (120dB and 144dB respectively). Transfers to these formats need very little to no compression, which isn't true for Vinyl (maxing out at around 70dB). That being said, the majority of high res digital material is still highly compressed because compression sells (sad but true).

The trend nowadays is to record and manipulate the data in DXD (which is a PCM format), as it offers lesser losses. Eventual distribution can be converted to DSD (a PDM format) or downsampled to a lower LPCM format.

The greatest appeal of DSD is the straightforward conversion to analogue. I believe that DXD and higher PCM formats would eventually displace it however, because of processing ease and sheer resolution.
Thanks, that is also what have read from searching.
Dxd is the recording format right?
Unfortunately, the previous master flies were recorded differently data can gathered can only be as much. But even though, it should still be better than redbook format.
The next obstacle would be file size, dang it seems that there is no way to buy them in solid form anymore but as files downloaded only. Maybe when we buy an album in the future, it would come in a locked usb stick....
Title: Re: DSD, what sould we know?
Post by: Stagea on Jan 24, 2013 at 12:06 AM
ayun may thread na.it wont be long were playing studio quality sound thru ipod ;D .... pang super l33t people kasi tong mga ganitong format.

Why wait for Apple when it's already around?  There are high res portable players like the iRiver AK100 and the Colorfly C4 Pro.
Title: Re: DSD, what sould we know?
Post by: Stagea on Jan 24, 2013 at 12:18 AM
Thanks, that is also what have read from searching.
Dxd is the recording format right?
Unfortunately, the previous master flies were recorded differently data can gathered can only be as much. But even though, it should still be better than redbook format.

DXD is intended to be a recording format, but some studios do sell DXD material for a slightly hefty price. Lindberg Lyd used to, for example (I think they stopped though). Most consumer gear don't support this format however, due to SPDIF's limitations.

The next obstacle would be file size, dang it seems that there is no way to buy them in solid form anymore but as files downloaded only. Maybe when we buy an album in the future, it would come in a locked usb stick....

Internet distribution is just far more convenient, imo. Both DVD-A and SACD flopped in store shelves because of the small market. I don't think they're ready to do that again.
Title: Re: DSD, what sould we know?
Post by: joko11 on Jan 24, 2013 at 01:29 AM
Why wait for Apple when it's already around?  There are high res portable players like the iRiver AK100 and the Colorfly C4 Pro.
kasi master iv's pag umabot sa ipod level hindi na problema ang source kaya wait pako :)
5, 10 years from now ok lang im only 23 lang naman eh  ;D
sorry ot
Title: Re: DSD, what sould we know?
Post by: sientobente on Jan 24, 2013 at 02:05 AM
are dsd files as large as dxd files? was amazed by don master nelson's dxd collection where a file goes as large as 2GB each.
Title: Re: DSD, what sould we know?
Post by: timber715 on Jan 24, 2013 at 02:15 AM
are dsd files as large as dxd files? was amazed by don master nelson's dxd collection where a file goes as large as 2GB each.
Not sure about dxd file size but dsd file size for a 5.6mhz dsd song (not album) can use a tad more than half a gig... You can download a test song here... http://shop.dsdfile.com/ (http://shop.dsdfile.com/)
Title: Re: DSD, what sould we know?
Post by: Stagea on Jan 24, 2013 at 02:21 AM
are dsd files as large as dxd files? was amazed by don master nelson's dxd collection where a file goes as large as 2GB each.

No, they're not. DSD ranges from 6 to 34Mbps depending on the channel format and sample rate. DXD ranges from 17 to 74Mbps depending on the channel format and resolution. In the most common (lowest) form, DXD is about 3x the size of DSD.
Title: Re: DSD, what sould we know?
Post by: sientobente on Jan 24, 2013 at 02:33 AM
wow thanks for the info master timber and master ivan. these are giganormous files but upon auditioning these from don master nelson's place, it's looks worth it.
Title: Re: DSD, what sould we know?
Post by: Stagea on Jan 24, 2013 at 03:31 AM
wow thanks for the info master timber and master ivan. these are giganormous files but upon auditioning these from don master nelson's place, it's looks worth it.

Sinewave output signal from a Redbook source:
(http://www.stereophile.com/images/712NADfig06.jpg)

Sinewave output signal from a 24/192 source:
(http://www.stereophile.com/images/712NADfig07.jpg)

Both are approximations, but High Res is a lot closer to correct.
Title: Re: DSD, what sould we know?
Post by: Nelson de Leon on Jan 24, 2013 at 11:45 PM
Thanks Nelson... would love to hear the 01 sometime. Not that I would need another dac at this time of course.

Of course!!!
Title: Re: DSD, what sould we know?
Post by: Billabong on Jan 24, 2013 at 11:56 PM
wow thanks for the info master timber and master ivan. these are giganormous files but upon auditioning these from don master nelson's place, it's looks worth it.

Ibang level ang tunog ng DXD! ;)

Check this out: http://www.2l.no/hires/index.html. May free samples ng hi-res audio. May DXD, DSD..etc. Enjoy! 8)
Title: Re: DSD, what sould we know?
Post by: timber715 on Jan 25, 2013 at 12:47 AM
eto yung sine wave that got me interested in dsd....
(http://i1210.photobucket.com/albums/cc417/sonny715/DSDsine.jpg)
Title: Re: DSD, what sould we know?
Post by: joko11 on Jan 25, 2013 at 01:51 AM
eto yung sine wave that got me interested in dsd....
(http://i1210.photobucket.com/albums/cc417/sonny715/DSDsine.jpg)
putol.... di nilagay dxd ;D
Title: Re: DSD, what sould we know?
Post by: Stagea on Jan 25, 2013 at 03:48 AM
putol.... di nilagay dxd ;D

There are Extended Precision (80-bit) and Double Precision (64-bit) FP digital audio formats, which are mostly used to prevent round-off noise/errors during processing. The theoretical capacity for resolution and dynamics of these are well beyond any current component. Data rates can reach over 1.3Gbps at high sampling rates. This kind of raw form is the best digital format at the moment; though most of the few studios that do work in this resolution eventually downconvert to 24 bit or 32 bit integer for compatibility and portability.

It's the same way how some Blurays are shot and mastered in 8K or 4K, before being downconverted to 2K for distribution.
Title: Re: DSD, what sould we know?
Post by: timber715 on Jan 25, 2013 at 12:27 PM
Is it true that a dsd capable dac should play dsd capable file and not convert it to pcm? Dsd should sound much different from pcm since it reads the file in bits unlike pcm which reads the file in strings of bits.... Hence the dsd capability?
Title: Re: DSD, what sould we know?
Post by: sientobente on Jan 25, 2013 at 01:41 PM
Ibang level ang tunog ng DXD! ;)

Check this out: http://www.2l.no/hires/index.html. May free samples ng hi-res audio. May DXD, DSD..etc. Enjoy! 8)

great link master paul! got the first dxd file available, excited to try this at home. baka mapa-upgrade ako ng 24BIT/352.8kHz DAC nito ah   ;)
Title: Re: DSD, what sould we know?
Post by: Nelson de Leon on Jan 25, 2013 at 05:03 PM
great link master paul! got the first dxd file available, excited to try this at home. baka mapa-upgrade ako ng 24BIT/352.8kHz DAC nito ah   ;)

Or yun 32bit native na new 01.
Title: Re: DSD, what sould we know?
Post by: Stagea on Jan 25, 2013 at 06:00 PM
Is it true that a dsd capable dac should play dsd capable file and not convert it to pcm? Dsd should sound much different from pcm since it reads the file in bits unlike pcm which reads the file in strings of bits.... Hence the dsd capability?

A true DSD-capable DAC will handle the data stream as-is. Conversion to PCM is only done by components that cannot handle PDM natively.
Title: Re: DSD, what sould we know?
Post by: timber715 on Jan 26, 2013 at 12:50 AM
A true DSD-capable DAC will handle the data stream as-is. Conversion to PCM is only done by components that cannot handle PDM natively.
so we're on the same page... next, no matter how high the bit and sample rate capable a dac has, as long as it isn't dsd capable that it will not play dsd unless it is converted to pcm... right?
Title: Re: DSD, what sould we know?
Post by: Stagea on Jan 26, 2013 at 01:49 AM
so we're on the same page... next, no matter how high the bit and sample rate capable a dac has, as long as it isn't dsd capable that it will not play dsd unless it is converted to pcm... right?

You're absolutely correct.

The higher the PCM resolution however, the lesser the conversion loss. 24/352.8 and 24/176.4 are the preferred formats for high quality DSD to LPCM conversion (though 88.2 is more frequently used due to compatibility reasons). The difference between native DSD and high quality conversions is supposedly so little that most people could not tell them apart.
Title: Re: DSD, what sould we know?
Post by: timber715 on Jan 26, 2013 at 01:57 AM
You're absolutely correct.

The higher the PCM resolution however, the lesser the conversion loss. 24/352.8 and 24/176.4 are the preferred formats for high quality DSD to LPCM conversion (though 88.2 is more frequently used due to compatibility reasons).
thank you...
however dxd is totally different and will run at 384khz without conversions... I think.... but that belongs to another thread.
reading some more blogs, it is quite different that dsd uses 2.8mhz which is about 8 times that of 384khz...
fascinating stuff...


Title: Re: DSD, what sould we know?
Post by: Stagea on Jan 26, 2013 at 02:30 AM
thank you...
however dxd is totally different and will run at 384khz without conversions... I think.... but that belongs to another thread.
reading some more blogs, it is quite different that dsd uses 2.8mhz which is about 8 times that of 384khz...
fascinating stuff...
You're welcome. :)

Most DSD materials nowadays are actually mastered in FP or PCM, stored in PCM, then converted to DSD. Mastering in DSD is getting less and less popular as most newer studio components work better with PCM (since data is easier to manipulate in this form).

DXD is more frequently 352.8kHz, though it can also be 384kHz. Sampling rate is not directly comparable between PCM and DSD as 1 sample in DSD does not mean much on its own (it's 1 bit). It's the cummulative effects of successive bits in the bitstream that allows DSD to work. In comparison, a single data point in LPCM is simply a single sample.

In terms of outright resolution and dynamic range, DSD clearly loses to high res PCM. DSD has an advantage when it comes to outright bandwidth and jitter resistance, however.

There is actually a cross-breed format between DSD and LPCM that is referred to in studios either as "DSD Pure" or "PCM Narrow." This is 8-bit depth with 64fs or 128fs DSD sampling. This is like DSD with better resolution, dynamic range and editability.

There's also a new breed of DSD in 256fs (aka "DSD256"), which samples at 11.3MHz.

Why don't we all just use IEEE FP Audio and do the transfers ourselves. ;D
Title: Re: DSD, what sould we know?
Post by: timber715 on Jan 26, 2013 at 03:22 AM
You're welcome. :)

Most DSD materials nowadays are actually mastered in FP or PCM, stored in PCM, then converted to DSD. Mastering in DSD is getting less and less popular as most newer studio components work better with PCM (since data is easier to manipulate in this form).

DXD is more frequently 352.8kHz, though it can also be 384kHz. Sampling rate is not directly comparable between PCM and DSD as 1 sample in DSD does not mean much on its own (it's 1 bit). It's the cummulative effects of successive bits in the bitstream that allows DSD to work. In comparison, a single data point in LPCM is simply a single sample.

In terms of outright resolution and dynamic range, DSD clearly loses to high res PCM. DSD has an advantage when it comes to outright bandwidth and jitter resistance, however.

There is actually a cross-breed format that is referred to in studios either as "DSD Pure" or "PCM Narrow." This is 8-bit with 64fs or 128fs.

There's also a new breed of DSD in 256fs (aka "DSD256"), which samples at 11.3MHz.

Why don't we all just use IEEE FP Audio and do the transfers ourselves. ;D
you might be correct with most dsd materials originating from mastered pcm but that is not always the case too. Most studio components are pcm native might also hold ground but not bec they sound better but because they have been around longer as dsd is quite young compared to pcm and easier to manipulate as you stated. and with the flop of sacd (due to high cost of gear), studios stayed with pcm.
dynamic range of dsd I have read goes around 100,000khz which can burn tweeters but are often controlled by rolloff filters to about 50,000khz, so I really don't think it loses on that.
we don't need to talk about IEEE floating point as it isn't nec. though you can if you wish to do it yourself (no need to be overly technical).
there are so much testament all over the net that dsd sounds much better than pcm, the mere fact that highend brandnames are moving towards dsd would indicate that. would you think that brands like dcs would invest on dsd when pcm sounds better?
though I am aware that it will proliferate in the next year or two....
Title: Re: DSD, what sould we know?
Post by: timber715 on Jan 26, 2013 at 04:39 AM
here's a nice article... http://www.audiostream.com/content/dsd-v-pcm-file-comparison-16441-2496-24192-64x-dsd-128x-dsd (http://www.audiostream.com/content/dsd-v-pcm-file-comparison-16441-2496-24192-64x-dsd-128x-dsd)
Title: Re: DSD, what sould we know?
Post by: Stagea on Jan 26, 2013 at 05:27 AM
here's a nice article... http://www.audiostream.com/content/dsd-v-pcm-file-comparison-16441-2496-24192-64x-dsd-128x-dsd (http://www.audiostream.com/content/dsd-v-pcm-file-comparison-16441-2496-24192-64x-dsd-128x-dsd)

DSD's numerical accuracy is behind high res PCM (unless you go for 128fs or 256fs variants), especially as you go up the frequency range. DSD's HF region is also populated with quantization noise because of its operational nature. Here's a plotted waveform from a DSD device (PCM was posted previously):
(http://www.stereophile.com/images/archivesart/710KIPfig07.jpg)

The biggest reason why DSD can be superior to PCM is because most high res ADCs and DACs run delta-sigma modulation. Running DSD natively enables us to bypass some lossy steps in the process from the studio to the living room.

(http://www.positive-feedback.com/Issue59/images/Koch_DSD_figure_1.jpg)

To get this advantage, one has to run DSD material that stayed in the DSD format from start to end. Most DSD material nowadays already went through the same conversions in the studio, however.

Another item to factor in is the effect of DSD's largely "inaudible" HF noise to the listener. Some people claim that this can enhance the experience, as the brain works differently while it tries to mask the noise (it may also increase the apparent "air" around instruments).
Title: Re: DSD, what sould we know?
Post by: Stagea on Jan 26, 2013 at 08:42 AM
I'd like to add that systems that sound best with high res sources (whether in PCM or PDM) tend to sound harsh or uninviting with standard CDs. A smooth, relaxed and/or forgiving system may not benefit as much.

CDs tend to sound "best" with a system that is not as resolving (because the rough output waveform needs smoothing to sound natural). These systems give a pleasant but vague projection of the recorded performance.

High Res sources sound wonderful in revealing systems, as there is little need for waveform smoothing. Details pop out, images get fixed in a stable space, and proper focus is achieved when the system's output follow the information-rich input signal.
Title: Re: DSD, what sould we know?
Post by: JoeyGS on Jan 26, 2013 at 01:06 PM
You got it right..... The element of matching/synergy!



I'd like to add that systems that sound best with high res sources (whether in PCM or PDM) tend to sound harsh or uninviting with standard CDs. A smooth, relaxed and/or forgiving system may not benefit as much.

CDs tend to sound "best" with a system that is not as resolving (because the rough output waveform needs smoothing to sound natural). These systems give a pleasant but vague projection of the recorded performance.

High Res sources sound wonderful in revealing systems, as there is little need for waveform smoothing. Details pop out, images get fixed in a stable space, and proper focus is achieved when the system's output follow the information-rich input signal.

Title: Re: DSD, what sould we know?
Post by: timber715 on Jan 26, 2013 at 01:30 PM
basic naman yan braders, synergy is important in any system to sound good. medyo pointless to play high res audio in a low res system kasi... It just wouldn't sound right.
Title: Re: DSD, what sould we know?
Post by: gutchy on Mar 29, 2013 at 11:38 AM
A new DAC capable of playing DSD natively..  and using one of my fav DAC chip SABRE ES9018..
price is USD1K or RMB6.2k here in Shenzhen .. ipon mode nako para makabili nito... >:D

http://www.matrix-digi.com/en/products/49/index.html (http://www.matrix-digi.com/en/products/49/index.html)
Title: Re: DSD, what sould we know?
Post by: timber715 on Mar 29, 2013 at 05:40 PM
You gotta give it to the chinese to come out with a cnc'ed body at those prices... Very nice looking dac, let us know how it sounds once you get the chance.
Title: Re: DSD, what sould we know?
Post by: jh@meeh on May 16, 2013 at 12:45 AM
San nakaka download ng dsd files?

Thanks.
Title: Re: DSD, what sould we know?
Post by: timber715 on May 16, 2013 at 12:48 AM
Dsdfile.com, blue coast records, 2L and several others online, just google dsd...
Title: Re: DSD, what sould we know?
Post by: jh@meeh on May 16, 2013 at 12:50 AM
wala bang may libre or testing man lang muna? hahaha
Title: Re: DSD, what sould we know?
Post by: timber715 on May 16, 2013 at 12:55 AM
If you have a dac with dsd capability you can try downloading a sample from dsdfile.com.  Meron sila Opus3 for testing. One for dsd64 and the other for dsd128...
Title: Re: DSD, what sould we know?
Post by: jh@meeh on May 16, 2013 at 01:04 AM
Yap, my DAC exasound e20 is capable of playing DSD 2.82MHz, DSD 5.64MHz (DSD 128 Fs) and DSD 11.28MHz (DSD 256 Fs) without conversion to PCM.

May bayad yung opus3 sampler nila   :(
Title: Re: DSD, what sould we know?
Post by: timber715 on May 16, 2013 at 01:07 AM
Free yan brader... Congrats on the exa20. Let us know if dsd knocks you off your feet ha?
Title: Re: DSD, what sould we know?
Post by: jh@meeh on May 16, 2013 at 01:12 AM
Free yan brader... Congrats on the exa20. Let us know if dsd knocks you off your feet ha?

Thank you brader, waiting pa ako sa speaker ko...pero yung dac ko dumating na.
Naka download na ako ng isang sampler. thanks..

dsf at dff lang ba ang extension ng dsd? pwede rin ba syang maging flac?

Title: Re: DSD, what sould we know?
Post by: timber715 on May 16, 2013 at 01:39 AM
Thank you brader, waiting pa ako sa speaker ko...pero yung dac ko dumating na.
Naka download na ako ng isang sampler. thanks..

dsf at dff lang ba ang extension ng dsd? pwede rin ba syang maging flac?


Dsf at dff nga, it can be converted to flac but why would you want that? It would be like buying a record and want it to sound like mp3...
Title: Re: DSD, what sould we know?
Post by: jh@meeh on May 16, 2013 at 01:45 AM
shukran habibi  ;D
Title: Re: DSD, what sould we know?
Post by: timber715 on May 16, 2013 at 03:49 AM
try this link... you might like it.
http://hifiduino.wordpress.com/free-hi-res-music/
Title: Re: DSD, what sould we know? - A DSD Bomber....
Post by: JoeyGS on Sep 09, 2013 at 04:26 PM
A DSD Bomber!

http://www.digitalaudioreview.net/2013/09/schiit-loki-adds-dsd-to-your-existing-dac-for-us149/#comment-24618 (http://www.digitalaudioreview.net/2013/09/schiit-loki-adds-dsd-to-your-existing-dac-for-us149/#comment-24618)

Anyone who wants a taste of DSD without investing mega bucks for a new DSD capable dac.

Awaiting review feedback from Darko......
Title: Re: DSD, what sould we know?
Post by: timber715 on Sep 09, 2013 at 05:13 PM
A DSD Bomber!

http://www.digitalaudioreview.net/2013/09/schiit-loki-adds-dsd-to-your-existing-dac-for-us149/#comment-24618 (http://www.digitalaudioreview.net/2013/09/schiit-loki-adds-dsd-to-your-existing-dac-for-us149/#comment-24618)

Anyone who wants a taste of DSD without investing mega bucks for a new DSD capable dac.

Awaiting review feedback from Darko......
Nice find Joey and with the advent of Jriver mc19 upsampling pcm2dsd, regular files can now be enjoyed in dsd format... So far, ibang iba ang upsampled music to dsd. Even comparing sonics from upsampled 386/24, mas maganda ang dsd output....
Title: Re: DSD, what sould we know?
Post by: JoeyGS on Sep 09, 2013 at 07:50 PM
I hope the local Schiit seller can bring it in.

Nice find Joey and with the advent of Jriver mc19 upsampling pcm2dsd, regular files can now be enjoyed in dsd format... So far, ibang iba ang upsampled music to dsd. Even comparing sonics from upsampled 386/24, mas maganda ang dsd output....
Title: Re: Another DSD dac/headamp to look forward to
Post by: JoeyGS on Sep 28, 2013 at 10:24 AM
http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.digitalaudioreview.net%2F2013%2F09%2Fresonessence-labs-herus-an-ultra-portable-dsd-dac%2F&h=6AQE3DV8KAQHWpUerHVFwGypRirxdWjlAhs8Zz3VErigSjQ&s=1 (http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.digitalaudioreview.net%2F2013%2F09%2Fresonessence-labs-herus-an-ultra-portable-dsd-dac%2F&h=6AQE3DV8KAQHWpUerHVFwGypRirxdWjlAhs8Zz3VErigSjQ&s=1)
Title: Re: DSD, what sould we know?
Post by: Bogsle on Oct 15, 2013 at 07:36 AM
I hope the local Schiit seller can bring it in.


Agree.

Pang masa na DSD, pwede...
Title: Re: DSD, what sould we know?
Post by: JoeyGS on Oct 15, 2013 at 12:07 PM
Eto pa na pang masa at portable pa....

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/gavn8r/geek-a-new-usb-awesomifier-for-headphones (http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/gavn8r/geek-a-new-usb-awesomifier-for-headphones)

http://mustgeekout.com/?ref=backers (http://mustgeekout.com/?ref=backers)
Title: Re: DSD, what sould we know?
Post by: pchin on Feb 18, 2015 at 09:04 AM
This thread was started by bro timber715 2 years ago na. :) Nowadays, there are some much affordable DSD DAC in the market. I just got the SMSL M8 24Bit/384KHz to get my feet wet in this DSD territory.  ^-^

Bro timber715, how did it go? Haven't heard from you for a long time. I presume more members are into this by now. :)