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Title: More Bad News on DVD Rot
Post by: paeng on Jan 21, 2004 at 05:49 PM: "If you think your prized collection of DVD movies will last a lifetime, think again - some are already starting to rot while others are falling apart.

"Unofficial estimates put the number of affected discs at between one and 10 per cent. Yet some of the largest distributors for Hollywood Studios are accused of refusing to accept the problem exists and replace faulty products."

To read the whole article, visit

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/01/31/1043804519345.html
Title: Re:More Bad News on DVD Rot
Post by: aldrinpsx on Jan 22, 2004 at 12:45 AM: One DVD website lists 18 titles known to have at least one bad batch, among them Planet of the Apes (1968), Men in Black: Collectors Edition, Independence Day and the Alien Legacy box set..

:'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(...there goes my boxed set.

PEACE!!
Title: Re:More Bad News on DVD Rot
Post by: daigoro on Jan 22, 2004 at 01:51 AM: this is old news. we have to distinguish between unstable batches and natural deterioration. dvds from unstable batches will exhibit dvd rot or delamination almost immediately. on the otherhand, i've yet to have a dvd that's been with me for a while go suddenly unplayable except if its from a suspect batch like Superman special edition or Dr. Zhivago.
Title: Re:More Bad News on DVD Rot
Post by: av_phile1 on Jan 22, 2004 at 11:07 AM: Makes me wonder if DVDs are worth collecting if they will rot after some time. Siguro it's wiser to dispose of then after playing enjoying them once.. Afterall, once the HD-DVD comes along, here goes another buying spree upgrade for the titles i like. All these DVDs will be obsolete and not compelling to watch anymore. So totoo lang, i think 99% of my DVDs just stay on the shelf after watching once.
Title: Re:More Bad News on DVD Rot
Post by: paeng on Jan 26, 2004 at 12:48 PM: If disks are defective, then why aren't manufacturers admitting that there's no problem? If disks will deteriorate naturally, how long will they last? And if a new format appears, which might make the present format obsolete, does this mean that I will have to buy titles all over again?
Title: Re:More Bad News on DVD Rot
Post by: xage on Jan 26, 2004 at 02:03 PM: Do we need to focus on the manufactured DVD's itself?

How about climate factors? Case? Cabinets? Package?
Title: Re:More Bad News on DVD Rot
Post by: T-850 on Feb 10, 2004 at 02:52 PM: Quote from: xage on Jan 26, 2004 at 02:03 PM
Do we need to focus on the manufactured DVD's itself?

How about climate factors? Case? Cabinets? Package?

i store mine in a suitcase, where there no dust and its at a fair temperature room.. no aircon, since i heard this causes moist and lead to faster deterioration due to changes of temperature
Title: Re:More Bad News on DVD Rot
Post by: halvert on Feb 11, 2004 at 09:36 PM: Quote from: av_phile1 on Jan 22, 2004 at 11:07 AM
Makes me wonder if DVDs are worth collecting if they will rot after some time. Siguro it's wiser to dispose of then after playing enjoying them once.. Afterall, once the HD-DVD comes along, here goes another buying spree upgrade for the titles i like. All these DVDs will be obsolete and not compelling to watch anymore. So totoo lang, i think 99% of my DVDs just stay on the shelf after watching once.
sell your dvds na lang. i'm sure the members here wouldn't mind lightening your load. ;D
Title: Re:More Bad News on DVD Rot
Post by: Mr. Big Boy on Feb 12, 2004 at 12:53 AM: This thread is really depressing... :-[

Buti pa yung mga vinyl na long playing ko gumagana pa lahat perfectly, even those that belong to my grandparents since panahon pa ng Hapon.
Title: Re:More Bad News on DVD Rot
Post by: Quitacet on Feb 13, 2004 at 01:12 PM: HEY GUYS, ANY NEWS ON THIS TOPIC? PLEASE POST FOR OUR AWARENESS!
Title: Re:More Bad News on DVD Rot
Post by: darkwing on Feb 14, 2004 at 02:30 AM: i thought the lifespan of DVDs is 20+ years?? any way we can prolong this? :(
Title: Re:More Bad News on DVD Rot
Post by: Quitacet on Feb 14, 2004 at 10:14 AM: 20+ years only? :o :o :o

i thought it was 50+ years. can anyone confirm this? ???
Title: Re: More Bad News on DVD Rot
Post by: jas on May 06, 2004 at 02:57 PM: From Yahoo News:

CDs and DVDs Not So Immortal After All
Wed May 5, 1:59 PM ET Add Technology - AP to My Yahoo!
By PETER SVENSSON, AP Technology Writer

Dan Koster was unpacking some of his more than 2,000 CDs after a move when he noticed something strange. Some of the discs, which he always took good care of, wouldn't play properly.

Koster, a Web and graphic designer for Queens University of Charlotte, N.C., took one that was skipping pretty badly and held it up to the light.

"I was kind of shocked to see a constellation of pinpricks, little points where the light was coming through the aluminum layer," he says.

His collection was suffering from "CD rot," a gradual deterioration of the data-carrying layer. It's not known for sure how common the blight is, but it's just one of a number of reasons that optical discs, including DVDs, may be a lot less long-lived than first thought.

"We were all told that CDs were well-nigh indestructible when they were introduced in the mid '80s," Koster says. "Companies used that in part to justify the higher price of CDs as well."

He went through his collection and found that 15 percent to 20 percent of the discs, most of which were produced in the '80s, were "rotted" to some extent.

The rotting can be due to poor manufacturing, according to Jerry Hartke, who runs Media Sciences Inc., a Marlborough, Mass., laboratory that tests CDs.

The aluminum layer that reflects the light of the player's laser is separated from the CD label by a thin layer of lacquer. If the manufacturer applied the lacquer improperly, air can penetrate to oxidize the aluminum, eating it up much like iron rusts in air.

But in Hartke's view, it's more common that discs are rendered unreadable by poor handling by the owner.

"If people treat these discs rather harshly, or stack them, or allow them to rub against each other, this very fragile protective layer can be disturbed, allowing the atmosphere to interact with that aluminum," he says.

Part of the problem is that most people believe that it's the clear underside of the CD that is fragile, when in fact it's the side with the label. Scratches on the underside have to be fairly deep to cause skipping, while scratches on the top can easily penetrate to the aluminum layer. Even the pressure of a pen on the label side can dent the aluminum, rendering the CD unreadable.

Koster has taken to copying his CDs on his computer to extend the life of the recordings. Unfortunately, it's not easy to figure out how long those recordable CDs will work.

Fred Byers, an information technology specialist at the National Institute of Standards and Technology, has looked at writeable CDs on behalf of government agencies, including the Library of Congress (news - web sites), that need to know how long their discs will last.

Manufacturers cite lifespans up to 100 years, but without a standardized test, it's very hard to evaluate their claims, Byers says. The worst part is that manufacturers frequently change the materials and manufacturing methods without notifying users.

"When you go to a store and buy a DVD-R, and this goes for CD-R as well, you really don't know what you're getting," he says. "If you buy a particular brand of disc, and then get the same disc and brand six months later, it can be very different."

This renders the frequently heard advice to buy name-brand discs for maximum longevity fairly moot, he says.

DVDs are a bit tougher than CDs in the sense that the data layer (or layers — some discs have two) is sandwiched in the middle of the disc between two layers of plastic. But this structure causes problems of its own, especially in early DVDs. The glue that holds the layers together can lose its grip, making the disc unreadable at least in parts.

Users that bend a DVD to remove it from a hard-gripping case are practically begging for this problem, because flexing the disc puts strain on the glue.

Rewriteable CDs and DVDs, as opposed to write-once discs, should not be used for long-term storage because they contain a heat-sensitive layer that decays much faster than the metal layers of other discs.

For maximum longevity, discs should be stored vertically and only be handled by the edges. Don't stick labels on them, and in the case of write-once CDs, don't write on them with anything but soft water-based or alcohol-based markers.

Also, like wine, discs should be stored in a cool, dry place. Koster's friend Mark Irons, of Corvallis, Ore., stored his CD collection in a cabin heated by a wood-burning stove. The temperature would range between 40 degrees and 70 degrees in the space of a few hours. Now, the data layer of some of his CDs looks as if it's being eaten from the outside.

Irons is still pretty happy with CD technology, since it beats vinyl LPs and tape for longevity. Now that he's moved his discs to an apartment with a more stable temperature, he's noticed that the decay has slowed.

"I'm hoping they'll hold out till that next medium gets popular, and everyone gets to buy everything over again," he says.
Title: Re:More Bad News on DVD Rot
Post by: T-850 on Jun 28, 2004 at 10:55 AM: Quote from: quitacet on Feb 14, 2004 at 10:14 AM
20+ years only? :o :o :o

i thought it was 50+ years. can anyone confirm this? ???

dvd's can last for many generations.. if i can recall correctly, i think it can last for as long as 100+ years
Title: Re: More Bad News on DVD Rot
Post by: Yahoo! on Jun 28, 2004 at 11:10 AM: will dehumidifiers help prevent this from happening to our precious collections?

thanks...
Title: Re: More Bad News on DVD Rot
Post by: T-850 on Jun 28, 2004 at 11:25 AM: Quote from: seacrmnd on Jun 28, 2004 at 11:10 AM
will dehumidifiers help prevent this from happening to our precious collections?

thanks...

now that u mentioned it, i think it will.. does anyone have an idea where we can get this?
Title: Re: More Bad News on DVD Rot
Post by: Yahoo! on Jun 28, 2004 at 11:30 AM: DIY shops have them but I don't know if all. Meron sa Handyman (Robinson's Place) they gave me a brochure with the price list but lost it though. Check to the nearest DIY shops near you sir. HTH :)
Title: Re: More Bad News on DVD Rot
Post by: cherubrock on Jul 06, 2004 at 12:38 AM: After reading the article on CNN, I checked some of my older audio CD's bought in the late 80s and found that some DID have signs of rot. Will our DVDs soon suffer the same fate? Does anyone know if there has been steps undertaken by DVD manufacturers and the studios to prevent this from happening? :'( I only know that some make your discs eligible for some sort of replacement program when you register them online. What about the others?
Title: Re: More Bad News on DVD Rot
Post by: CrUzSACK on Jul 20, 2004 at 09:17 PM: Our Monster Inc. Disc 1 suddenly stopped playing, whereas it used to play flawlessly, and this was one of our most watched DVDs before this happened. Despite repeated viewing, there were no scratch or marks on the disc, it was perfect. DVD and case still as nice as when we first had it. Cleaned our player, did all those stuff one does when skipping/pixelating happens...nothing. Cleaned the disc just to be sure....nothing.

Wrote Disney and supplied them with the numbers found on the disc, as they would usually require. Pagkahaba haba pa ng explanation ko on what I've experienced. But after a couple of weeks, I got a useless reply saying I should check my player..?? One suggestion from that email even said - Is the DVD player on? Hello!

Went to a US DVD Forum and found out I'm not alone. Some of them had their copies replaced immediately from where they bought it, covered pa ng replacement window (or whatever you call it). But I discovered ours isn't working anymore after over a year and a half (bought it in Sept 2002)....so, what's the use, eh? Well, on the bright side buti na lang napanood ng sobra sobra bago nag-rot. :)
Title: Re: More Bad News on DVD Rot
Post by: diver on Jul 20, 2004 at 09:55 PM: This is so scary naman. You mean to say after taking good care of our dvds and spending so much for them ... they will rot lang din after a while.

Makes one think if this collecting of dvds is all worth it. We are so passionate about this pa naman tapos dvd rot lang din pala ang bagsak :'(
Title: Re: More Bad News on DVD Rot
Post by: CrUzSACK on Jul 20, 2004 at 10:01 PM: Quote from: diver on Jul 20, 2004 at 09:55 PM
This is so scary naman. You mean to say after taking good care of our dvds and spending so much for them ... they will rot lang din after a while.

Some DVDs do I guess. Depende ata sa pag-press or how they manufacture the disc, I don't know. :-\ ---> http://www.pinoydvd.com/board/index.php?topic=651.0 It's like lottery probably, it happens 1 in 10000 pero hindi ka swerte when it happens. ;D
Title: Re: More Bad News on DVD Rot
Post by: Mo®pHeOu$ on Jul 22, 2004 at 11:22 PM: ;D ;D ;D

yikes!! eto na yung mahirap eh! kapag nangyari na talaga yung kinatatakutan natin sa isa sa mga members! Sorry about your Monster Inc sis. tsk tsk tsk... haaaay.... this isn't just right! an expensive thing that won't last forever?...mukhang negosyo na naman to ah! :(
Title: Re: More Bad News on DVD Rot
Post by: cherubrock on Jul 26, 2004 at 12:11 AM: Aren't studios obliged to replace your discs specially if the rot comes prematurely? Or di lahat may disc replacement program? Which studios have one, btw?
Title: Re: More Bad News on DVD Rot
Post by: T-850 on Jul 26, 2004 at 01:46 AM: Quote from: diver on Jul 20, 2004 at 09:55 PM
This is so scary naman. You mean to say after taking good care of our dvds and spending so much for them ... they will rot lang din after a while.

Makes one think if this collecting of dvds is all worth it. We are so passionate about this pa naman tapos dvd rot lang din pala ang bagsak :'(

i remember reading somewhere in the forum or some other webisite about caring for dvds, and they mentioned that we should avoid storing the dvds in jewel cases because when the dvd spins while in the case, scratches may occur...
so does that mean our dvds of LOTR EE series should not be where they are originally in? btw, i noticed a very itsy bitsy teeny weeny scratch on my disc 4 after opening it.. it was fresh sealed after i discovered the tiny scratch! >:(
Title: Re: More Bad News on DVD Rot
Post by: daigoro on Jul 28, 2004 at 09:27 PM: When i read that article, it says that there are factors which contribute to cd or dvd rot. one factor was that the owner used to store his cds or dvds near a very hot place. But as anybody who bought the Superman SE R3 would know, some batches of dvds are unstable and would deteriorate after a certain period of time.
Title: Re: More Bad News on DVD Rot
Post by: sandman on Oct 29, 2004 at 03:46 PM: I hate these sort of news ... makes me wonder why I buy them in the first place (at a price that's quite painful to the wallet). :'(

I also had the assumption that the DVDs would last at least within my lifetime (which I hope is a long one!!). That is why I decided to buy the DVD format rather than the VCD format.

Lets just hope Ms. Cruzack is right in saying that its just a 1 to 10,000 chance and that the DVDs do last a lifetime.

As for the info that flexing/bending the disc might cause damage to the discs, hirap minsan at there are a few that you literally have to "bend" in order to get them out of their cases!!

Are there any updates regarding the cause of DVD/CD rot, and how we can prevent it happening to our respective collections
Title: Re: More Bad News on DVD Rot
Post by: blitzkrieg on Oct 30, 2004 at 11:07 AM: Quote from: Yahoo! on Jun 28, 2004 at 11:10 AM
will dehumidifiers help prevent this from happening to our precious collections?

thanks...

What about silicant or silicone desicants? They keep away moisture you know. I' ve put several of them inside my dvd cabinet.
Title: Re: More Bad News on DVD Rot
Post by: mccoy on Oct 31, 2004 at 10:05 PM: :(
Title: Re: More Bad News on DVD Rot
Post by: RNIverson on Nov 03, 2004 at 05:59 PM: very bad news :'(
Title: Re: More Bad News on DVD Rot
Post by: ranran on Feb 16, 2005 at 05:10 PM: this is bad enough for all collectors, kawawa naman ang mga collectors ng mga limited editions, double - triple na yung gastos, DVD rot pa, OUCH! :(

speaking of which, i wonder what sir Hemisphere would say about this? :)
Title: Re: More Bad News on DVD Rot
Post by: hemisphere on Feb 16, 2005 at 05:29 PM: from experience, got two dvd rots in my dvds in keepcases piled closely from each other... luckily, i have never experienced DVD rots on my LE's.. not sure if the extra space where the LE box/package is kept acts as a ppositive factor which prohibits dvd decay against heat? moisture? no idea really...

i have to read more to find out.. as of now.. i am happy that my LE's has no dvd rot or damage whatsoever. ;) ;)
Title: Re: More Bad News on DVD Rot
Post by: ranran on Feb 16, 2005 at 05:35 PM: Quote from: hemisphere1234 on Feb 16, 2005 at 05:29 PM
from experience, got two dvd rots in my dvds in keepcases piled closely from each other... luckily, i have never experienced DVD rots on my LE's.. not sure if the extra space where the LE box/package is kept acts as a ppositive factor which prohibits dvd decay against heat? moisture? no idea really...

i have to read more to find out.. as of now.. i am happy that my LE's has no dvd rot or damage whatsoever. ;) ;)

that's good news, please be sure to keep us posted thanks! ;D
Title: Re: More Bad News on DVD Rot
Post by: pchin on Feb 17, 2005 at 01:07 AM: Quote from: blitzkrieg on Oct 30, 2004 at 11:07 AM
What about silicant or silicone desicants? They keep away moisture you know. I' ve put several of them inside my dvd cabinet.

Yes I believe Dehumidifiers in certain extend may help in preventing this negative effect on our precious treasures. It will never hurt to try esp if your collections (like mine) are stored in closed cabinets, wardrobe, drawers, bookshelf, leather bag, storeroom, etc. It's suitable for clothes, leather, camera, computer, audio & video equipment, etc.

You may want to try a new product named "Thirsty Ele" which cost about P300 per bag, can be reusable for 100 times! Each last for 1-3 months, natural & non-toxic, absorbs moisure 2 times faster & deodorizes by neutralizing smell rather than covering it.

It's the best way to lower humidity naturally by removing dampnes, sweat vapor, humid gems, mildew and odour. Keeping dry will reduce airborne bacterial.

For double protection measure esp in those expensive limited edition boxes with tight spaces, you may also want to try using Desiccant Silica Gel as per blitzkrieg's suggestion. For me, I'm using both... ;D Let me know if anyone is interested & I could bring back a few extra from Malaysia. :)
Title: Re: More Bad News on DVD Rot
Post by: czedryk on Feb 17, 2005 at 09:33 AM: Quote from: pchin on Feb 17, 2005 at 01:07 AM
Let me know if anyone is interested & I could bring back a few extra from Malaysia. :)

Hi Paul,

Are you pertaining to the "Thirsty Ele" or the "Desiccant Silica Gel"? At any rate, I'm still interested to order...

How much does the silica gel cost?

Tnx!!! ;)
Title: Re: More Bad News on DVD Rot
Post by: pchin on Feb 21, 2005 at 09:42 PM: Quote from: czedryk on Feb 17, 2005 at 09:33 AM
Hi Paul,

Are you pertaining to the "Thirsty Ele" or the "Desiccant Silica Gel"? At any rate, I'm still interested to order... How much does the silica gel cost? Tnx!!! ;)

Opss...sorry bro, didn't check the internet & this thread prior to my departure. I'm back na in the Philippines. Got a few for myself but no extra. :-\

"Thirsty Ele" is more like the ordinary dehumidifier, that is, it absorbs the moisure & the small pea-sized will turn into gel. The best part is it can be reuse! :D Hence making it economical. The desiccant Silica Gel, which is in a clear transparent small tiny plastic bag (gel is hard & in very tiny sized), can be found mostly & used in every vitamin & mineral container in drug store to absorb moisure. Perhaps it's also available in the Philippines.
(http://images.snapfish.com/342%3B%3B%3B2323232%7Ffp47%3Dot%3E2343%3D625%3D%3B5%3C%3DXROQDF%3E23237798%3B5898ot1lsi)

The upper pix is the desiccant Silica Gel & the lower part is the "Thirsty Ele" with the elephant logo. Alternatively, you can use those zipper storage bags meant for food storage that can be found in almost every supermarket. Each bag is strong, durable & tightly sealed by a zipper that prevents leaks & lock in freshness. If it's excellent to keep food fresh, then I don't see why we can't use it for our beloved DVDs! ;D ;D
(http://images.snapfish.com/342%3B%3B%3B2323232%7Ffp47%3Dot%3E2343%3D625%3D%3B5%3C%3DXROQDF%3E23237798%3B7647ot1lsi)

The left side is the medium sized bag that can fit a single disc. Whilst the right side is the large sized bag that can nicely store a bigger size boxset. :)

Previously, I also purchased some small packet-sized "Moisure Absorber" from Handyman shop. Each small packet cost only P10
Title: Re: More Bad News on DVD Rot
Post by: FLIM on Feb 22, 2005 at 12:57 AM: Thats another reason not to collect dvds.IMAGINE PAYING THAT MUCH AMOUNT AND THEN NOT HAVING THEM LAST . WHAT THE HELLLLL'S THE USE OF ALL OF THIS? MY SUPERMAN SPECIAL DVD COULD NO LONGER BE PLAYED ON ALL OF MY FOUR PLAYERS! SO ITS NOT ENOUGH TO SCCRRREW US WITH THEIR HIGH SKY PRICES THEY HAVE TO SHIFT IT UP OUR BACKSIDES AND TWIST IT AROUND SOME MORE WITH THIS DEFECT!

CHANCES ARE ITS NOT A DEFECT AT ALL BUT A BUILT IN SECURITY DEVICE...ROTTING IT WOULD MAKE YOU BUY ANOTHER COPY...GREAT MARKETING PLAN! MAYBE SOMEONE SHOULD SEND THAT ARTICLE TO EDU MANZANO!
Title: Re: More Bad News on DVD Rot
Post by: pchin on Feb 22, 2005 at 01:30 AM: Quote from: FLIM on Feb 22, 2005 at 12:57 AM
Thats another reason not to collect dvds.IMAGINE PAYING THAT MUCH AMOUNT AND THEN NOT HAVING THEM LAST . WHAT THE HELLLLL'S THE USE OF ALL OF THIS? MY SUPERMAN SPECIAL DVD COULD NO LONGER BE PLAYED ON ALL OF MY FOUR PLAYERS! SO ITS NOT ENOUGH TO SCCRRREW US WITH THEIR HIGH SKY PRICES THEY HAVE TO SHIFT IT UP OUR BACKSIDES AND TWIST IT AROUND SOME MORE WITH THIS DEFECT!

CHANCES ARE ITS NOT A DEFECT AT ALL BUT A BUILT IN SECURITY DEVICE...ROTTING IT WOULD MAKE YOU BUY ANOTHER COPY...GREAT MARKETING PLAN! MAYBE SOMEONE SHOULD SEND THAT ARTICLE TO EDU MANZANO!

Whoa....take it easy bro....perhaps it's just an isolated incident unless u have 10 DVD rots. As with many other both ordinary & expensive things/items, over time due to some factors could possibly affect the quality of our beloved products. It's just that we have to take extra care to prevent them from happening as the old saying goes...prevention is better than cure.

So far I haven't come across or experience any DVD rot case. Consider myself lucky? Maybe.... As technology improves, so is the quality of the DVDs......(i hope!!) ;D
Title: Re: More Bad News on DVD Rot
Post by: hemisphere on Feb 22, 2005 at 01:58 AM: Quote from: FLIM on Feb 22, 2005 at 12:57 AM
Thats another reason not to collect dvds.IMAGINE PAYING THAT MUCH AMOUNT AND THEN NOT HAVING THEM LAST . WHAT THE HELLLLL'S THE USE OF ALL OF THIS? MY SUPERMAN SPECIAL DVD COULD NO LONGER BE PLAYED ON ALL OF MY FOUR PLAYERS! SO ITS NOT ENOUGH TO SCCRRREW US WITH THEIR HIGH SKY PRICES THEY HAVE TO SHIFT IT UP OUR BACKSIDES AND TWIST IT AROUND SOME MORE WITH THIS DEFECT!

CHANCES ARE ITS NOT A DEFECT AT ALL BUT A BUILT IN SECURITY DEVICE...ROTTING IT WOULD MAKE YOU BUY ANOTHER COPY...GREAT MARKETING PLAN! MAYBE SOMEONE SHOULD SEND THAT ARTICLE TO EDU MANZANO!

sorry.. cant help but reply to this thread..

are you insinuating that a self-destruct time bomb is embedded on every dvd? read on.. :)

----

you may also check these threads:

http://www.dvdtalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=378633&highlight=defective+discs

http://www.dvdtalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=294182&highlight=defective+discs

http://www.dvdtalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=268463&highlight=defective+discs
Title: Re: More Bad News on DVD Rot
Post by: FLIM on Feb 22, 2005 at 04:04 PM: Well those who have not suffered dvd rot then count yourselves the luck one....SO FAR,hehehehehe! IT WILL GET YOU...SOONER OR LATER. Remember the bigger your collection the biger the chances you will GET IT!

I BOUGHT THE SUPERMAN special edition because of the restored and added footages...and THATS WHERE IT BECOMES UNPLAYABLE!!!!!!!!!

DVD as a STABLE FORMAT is an ILLUSION!!!!!!!! And now that the blue ray is rearing its ugly head.... it would just be a matter of time " before your dvds ( If I remember that qoute correctly) would go the way of the laserdisc.
Title: Re: More Bad News on DVD Rot
Post by: hemisphere on Feb 22, 2005 at 10:14 PM: a.... ok.

::)
Title: Re: More Bad News on DVD Rot
Post by: ranran on Mar 02, 2005 at 08:10 PM: Quote from: pchin on Feb 17, 2005 at 01:07 AM
Yes I believe Dehumidifiers in certain extend may help in preventing this negative effect on our precious treasures. It will never hurt to try esp if your collections (like mine) are stored in closed cabinets, wardrobe, drawers, bookshelf, leather bag, storeroom, etc. It's suitable for clothes, leather, camera, computer, audio & video equipment, etc.

You may want to try a new product named "Thirsty Ele" which cost about P300 per bag, can be reusable for 100 times! Each last for 1-3 months, natural & non-toxic, absorbs moisure 2 times faster & deodorizes by neutralizing smell rather than covering it.

It's the best way to lower humidity naturally by removing dampnes, sweat vapor, humid gems, mildew and odour. Keeping dry will reduce airborne bacterial.

For double protection measure esp in those expensive limited edition boxes with tight spaces, you may also want to try using Desiccant Silica Gel as per blitzkrieg's suggestion. For me, I'm using both... ;D Let me know if anyone is interested & I could bring back a few extra from Malaysia. :)

I have a friend who sells 600ml Dehumidifiers for P120 only. i think it lasts up to 3-months or until the moisture container if filled (to 600ml) its only about 6" high perfect fit inside my DVD drawers. 8)
Title: Re: More Bad News on DVD Rot
Post by: pchin on Mar 02, 2005 at 11:31 PM: (http://images.snapfish.com/342%3B%3B%3B2323232%7Ffp47%3Dot%3E2343%3D625%3D%3B5%3C%3DXROQDF%3E23237798%3B7647ot1lsi)

Pls let me know if anyone is interested to purchase such "snap" plastic bag. There are 3 diffrent sizes to fit your DVD individual or boxset. sellign at P180 for 100 psc :)
Title: Re: More Bad News on DVD Rot
Post by: jerix on Jul 06, 2005 at 10:29 AM: you might be referring to ORIGINAL DVDs or CDs but yet its really alarming -- how much more the GENERIC DVD-Rs/+Rs and CD-Rs/+Rs we have ? ::)

Got good number of copies of audiophile music on CDs and recently noticed that many of them no longer play the way they used to play -- otherz got some noise, or sometimes they just stop -- Maybe its time to back them up again before they start to rot or decay. :(
Title: Re: More Bad News on DVD Rot
Post by: pchin on Jul 06, 2005 at 12:43 PM: It is a scary experience after paying a high price for your beloved CD or DVD collection & after a period of time-at the end of the day they can't play anymore :(

I believe with today's technology improvements, DVD rots are getting lesser. Luckily for me, for the past 6 years, I haven't encountered any DVD rot yet :D
Title: Re: More Bad News on DVD Rot
Post by: daigoro on Oct 13, 2005 at 12:28 AM: Just checked my asian dvd collection, I was very surprised that my Infernal Affairs Disc 1 experienced signs of oxidation. However, my replacement Superman R3 is still Ok.
Title: Re: More Bad News on DVD Rot
Post by: ranran on Oct 13, 2005 at 04:15 PM: Quote from: daigoro on Oct 13, 2005 at 12:28 AM
Just checked my asian dvd collection, I was very surprised that my Infernal Affairs Disc 1 experienced signs of oxidation. However, my replacement Superman R3 is still Ok.

sir, i'm curious to know just how you store this particular DVD?
Title: Re: More Bad News on DVD Rot
Post by: daigoro on Oct 17, 2005 at 08:25 PM: It's in my room in a plastic cabinet. the room is empty most of the time from morning to early evening. aircon from evening to early morning. however, only infernal affairs disc 1 was affected, disc 2 was ok.
Title: Re: More Bad News on DVD Rot
Post by: nicomd on Dec 03, 2005 at 06:39 PM: DVD rot on Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone R1:

Recently found this out after trying to do a Harry Potter Marathon. The first 6 chapters are just full of skips. The disc is scratch free even if I view it on all kinds of lighting at all angles. Has any of you encountered this? The Chamber of Secrets R1 and Prisoner of Azkaban R3 have no problems so far.

This is so frustrating considering that there is no widscreen release of the first Harry Potter locally.
Title: Re: More Bad News on DVD Rot
Post by: newbie pa rin on Jan 18, 2006 at 10:06 AM: I never thought that this really happens until I see the thread.
I thought it was my player that has some problem due to use and now planning to buy a new one.
Some of the dvd's I kept just won't play anymore.
I'm just storing it in my room which happens to have an aircon running an average of ten hrs a day.
Is airconditioning bad for the dvd's?
Title: Re: More Bad News on DVD Rot
Post by: pchin on Jan 18, 2006 at 12:30 PM: Geez..that's an awful experience! So far all these years I've been very lucky & not even 1 DVD rot encounter. Perhaps 1 fine day I shud try to conduct an "all out" inspection on all my collections. Some of them have been sitting there for years with only played once.
Title: Re: More Bad News on DVD Rot
Post by: ranran on Jan 18, 2006 at 09:32 PM: Quote from: pchin on Jan 18, 2006 at 12:30 PM
Perhaps 1 fine day I shud try to conduct an "all out" inspection on all my collections.

sir knowing your vast collection, it could take months to complete that task. ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: More Bad News on DVD Rot
Post by: pchin on Jan 19, 2006 at 12:10 AM: ranran, I guess "months" isn't that bad kc...I know some members who could take years to finish testing due to their "gigantic" collections ;D
Title: Re: More Bad News on DVD Rot
Post by: stryder on Apr 04, 2006 at 10:52 PM: well, well, well....i did conduct an "all-out" inspection today and guess what - i have it too!
i noticed the 4th disc (special features) of my Rambo Trilogy (R1-Tin case) is unplayable..tho the disc bears no scratch whatsoever (its smooth) yet deep within, it looks like a "picasso abstract painting" or something like wrinkled plastic or stained glass!
even my bruce lee boxset (R3-HK) - all the disc have started showing the same "features".. although i have tested all of them and they played ok....still...
i have yet to finish the "inspection" and am beginning to get the creeps.... ::) ::)
Title: Re: More Bad News on DVD Rot
Post by: lord_vader on Apr 12, 2006 at 12:51 PM: More bad news: Despite having no visible scratches, I found DVD rots on the following discs:

Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone R1
Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers R1
Passion of the Christ R3 (Chapters 16-18) - Huhu, wala na kong makitang R3 nito on any stores now.

Anyway, now I'm beginning to have second thoughts on buying original DVDs. Do we have return policies on DVD rots? Sa sobrang hinayang ko, I actually tried looking for these DVDs in stores (specifically Passion of the Christ). I plan to purchase it again, then return the defective DVD the following day. Di naman nila malalaman na di yun yung binili ko. I know it's "lying", but it's the manufacturer's fault to come out with low quality DVDs.
Title: Re: More Bad News on DVD Rot
Post by: Movie_Geek_Tom on Apr 14, 2006 at 10:23 PM: After I read this I panicked and went out to check my collection i checked the oldest ones i have since late 1999. Luckily wala naman signs of dvd-rot or anything I had then in the states and left them in the basement in Chicago w/ch is a very cold and sometimes humid city, la naman prob, I had them brought here in the phils. and now they reside on a bookshelf collecting dust sometimes,but its very dry place naman. My theatre room is on the third floor so parating super init sa tanghali and I have thousands of DVDs in the same state and still no signs of the dreaded DVD rot. Whoa! Thanks God!
Title: Re: More Bad News on DVD Rot
Post by: pchin on Apr 16, 2006 at 09:56 AM: Scarry noh & good thing they're ok ;)
Title: Re: More Bad News on DVD Rot
Post by: d4nu65+3R on Apr 16, 2006 at 10:09 AM: if there is any thread i dread going into, it's this one. sino ba naman ang gusto makabasa ng mga ganyang balita no, although in all the years i've been collecting, only once have i encountered this. my query is this, hindi naman kaya yung player ang may problema? and when you say it has dvd rot, what does exactly happen when you play the dvd? does it skip? pixellate? or is just plain unplayable. if it skips kasi, maybe the lens is just dirty.
Title: Re: More Bad News on DVD Rot
Post by: Dracula on May 03, 2006 at 10:18 PM: I've been collecting dvds for a few years now and luckily I haven't encountered this yet....maybe its because I regularly watch the dvds I've collected so I don't have a dvd that I've watched once and then stick it in the shelf and forget about it.... ;D
Title: Re: More Bad News on DVD Rot
Post by: Mo®pHeOu$ on May 22, 2006 at 09:47 AM: ;D ;D ;D

I have been reading this topic for quite some time.

Is there any physical manifestation of DVD rot on the actual disc or does it show only when played?

REcently, when I watched my Matrix DVD, I saw some kind of molds on the disc and on the slipcase. Is that DVD rot or is it simply molds forming on the surface due to moisture?

thanks. Your feedback will be highly appreciated. ;)
Title: Re: More Bad News on DVD Rot
Post by: lovetowatch on Oct 15, 2006 at 07:25 PM: hi, actually yung 2-disc director's cut My Sassy Girl copy ko, after keeping it not viewed for siguro not more than a month, nagkaron ng parang mga marks of moist :o (not sure if it's caused by moist or whatever, wala namang aircon yung piagtataguan ko non). (hard to discribe it) parang mukang maps yung shape (hehe). pero when i played it, doesn't affect playback naman. still "Sassy" pa rin (ah ok ::)) hehe. walang scratches yung discs yun nga lang parang naging blurry yung disc. can anyone tell me ano yung cause noon? ???thanks. ;D
Title: Re: More Bad News on DVD Rot
Post by: jmigs on Nov 04, 2006 at 07:30 AM: Nasira yung Road trip ko. the disc looks clean it hangs in the middle.
Title: Re: More Bad News on DVD Rot
Post by: daigoro on Nov 04, 2006 at 07:37 AM: Quote from: lovetowatch on Oct 15, 2006 at 07:25 PM
hi, actually yung 2-disc director's cut My Sassy Girl copy ko, after keeping it not viewed for siguro not more than a month, nagkaron ng parang mga marks of moist :o (not sure if it's caused by moist or whatever, wala namang aircon yung piagtataguan ko non). (hard to discribe it) parang mukang maps yung shape (hehe). pero when i played it, doesn't affect playback naman. still "Sassy" pa rin (ah ok ::)) hehe. walang scratches yung discs yun nga lang parang naging blurry yung disc. can anyone tell me ano yung cause noon? ???thanks. ;D

The same thing happened to my Infernal affairs dvd. I have to guess that you also kept the dvd in a room with an aircon. I made a backup copy of the dvd just in case it goes bad.
Title: Re: More Bad News on DVD Rot
Post by: lovetowatch on Nov 07, 2006 at 12:20 PM: i tried my sassy girl again, no problem naman. buti na lang. ;D
Title: Re: More Bad News on DVD Rot
Post by: RNIverson on Jan 06, 2007 at 11:00 AM: Quote from: lovetowatch on Oct 15, 2006 at 07:25 PM
hi, actually yung 2-disc director's cut My Sassy Girl copy ko, after keeping it not viewed for siguro not more than a month, nagkaron ng parang mga marks of moist :o (not sure if it's caused by moist or whatever, wala namang aircon yung piagtataguan ko non). (hard to discribe it) parang mukang maps yung shape (hehe). pero when i played it, doesn't affect playback naman. still "Sassy" pa rin (ah ok ::)) hehe. walang scratches yung discs yun nga lang parang naging blurry yung disc. can anyone tell me ano yung cause noon? ???thanks. ;D

after checking my collection last dec, i think i have this also on my MSG dvd, but on disc-2 special features only. still playable though
Title: Re: More Bad News on DVD Rot
Post by: juanch on Apr 26, 2007 at 10:57 PM: just recently had my first experience of dvd rot.
my Bram Stoker's Dracula(superbit) has already that awful misty look that I can't wipe off....
but it still plays well for now.

and my Lawrence of Arabia also shows some minute manifestations.

I noted that both dvd's were manufactured by Columbia pictures.

I wanna know about columbia pictures track record regarding dvd rot?
Title: Re: More Bad News on DVD Rot
Post by: av_phile1 on Apr 30, 2007 at 10:08 AM: I'll probably do some random check on my collection this holiday and verify this so-called DVD rot. I know there has been a lot of talk in the past about the Superman DVD susceptible to it, but last week when I checked it, my 2-yr old warner snapper release looked still pristine as ever.
Title: Re: More Bad News on DVD Rot
Post by: chocovim on May 11, 2007 at 10:59 AM: i too dread this thread. :( i guess the only way to be sure is to check every disc every now and then...
Title: Re: More Bad News on DVD Rot
Post by: ericag_ph on May 15, 2007 at 05:43 PM: It starts that way...some kind of "mist" that won't go away...

I've lost due to rot:

Jerry Macguire Region 1
LOTR: Return of the King Extended/Platinum Edition disc 1 (movie) Region 1
Dr. Zhivago Region 3
Robotech Macross disc 5 out of 6
Title: Re: More Bad News on DVD Rot
Post by: stryder on May 16, 2007 at 01:06 PM: my R3 Xmen 1 is starting to get misty...
Title: Re: More Bad News on DVD Rot
Post by: juanch on Mar 24, 2008 at 10:39 AM: >:( >:( >:(

these ones are starting to rot

- Bridge on the River Kwai
- Open Season
- Kung Fu Hustle

:'( I think it's the clear Scanavo case that is helping the DVD's to rot. Yung mga nakalagay sa Amaray case eh walang problema naman sa rot.
Title: Re: More Bad News on DVD Rot
Post by: barrister on Apr 07, 2008 at 11:59 AM: Quote from: ericag_ph on May 15, 2007 at 05:43 PM
I've lost due to rot:

Jerry Macguire Region 1
LOTR: Return of the King Extended/Platinum Edition disc 1 (movie) Region 1
Dr. Zhivago Region 3
Robotech Macross disc 5 out of 6

Can you still make a backup DVD copy?
Title: Re: More Bad News on DVD Rot
Post by: ericag_ph on Apr 09, 2008 at 03:13 PM: Nope...at this stage it is already unreadable by a player or a PC dvd drive.

Quote from: barrister on Apr 07, 2008 at 11:59 AM
Can you still make a backup DVD copy?
Title: Re: More Bad News on DVD Rot
Post by: juanch on Apr 09, 2008 at 04:08 PM: Quote from: ericag_ph on Apr 09, 2008 at 03:13 PM
Nope...at this stage it is already unreadable by a player or a PC dvd drive.

in my case, all my rotted DVD's can still be read. :-\
Title: Re: More Bad News on DVD Rot
Post by: reynold on Apr 09, 2008 at 04:14 PM: My Scooby Doo 1 shows some white spots on the disc :(
...pero mas malala yung Scooby Doo 2, pinamahayan ng langgam, as in may lupa na at mga pagkain nila yung loob ng case, grrrrrr.... >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: More Bad News on DVD Rot
Post by: ABCmotorparts on Apr 17, 2008 at 04:57 PM: xXx, Monsters Inc; The Jackal...

All Region 1 DVDs.... :'(
I tried playing it in all my players (including my computer) Pffftt..
No visible scratches but some cloud or mist in some areas...

ABC
Title: Re: More Bad News on DVD Rot
Post by: av_phile1 on Apr 17, 2008 at 06:30 PM: Seems the solution here is to get rid of youd DVD titles as soon as you've finished watching them. Not much point really collection and letting them rot on shelves.
Title: Re: More Bad News on DVD Rot
Post by: ABCmotorparts on Apr 18, 2008 at 08:40 PM: Quote from: av_phile1 on Apr 17, 2008 at 06:30 PM
Seems the solution here is to get rid of youd DVD titles as soon as you've finished watching them. Not much point really collection and letting them rot on shelves.

Yeah, it seems no matter how we take extra care and precaution with such, may masisira at mat may masisira talaga... :-\

:'(
Title: Re: More Bad News on DVD Rot
Post by: mercury724 on Jun 27, 2008 at 10:39 AM: how about using drybox (not sure if that is what they call it, pang store ng SLR cameras) then throw in some bag of Silica gel. Baka siguro maka tulong to prevent the dvd rot?
Title: Re: More Bad News on DVD Rot
Post by: juanch on Jun 28, 2008 at 09:43 PM: Yes, I place silica gel in some of my DVD's so far so good
Title: Re: More Bad News on DVD Rot
Post by: azrael on Jul 07, 2008 at 08:47 AM: Have anyone tried the following disc cleaners?

Memorex OptiFix Plus Cleaning Device
http://www.officemax.com/omax/catalog/sku.jsp?skuId=21235780&searchString=memorex%20cleaner&category_Id=null

SkipDr 10185 00 Premier Disc Repair System Fixes Scratched Discs
http://www.amazon.com/SkipDr-10185-Premier-Repair-Scratched/dp/B00080YK9Y/ref=pd_cp_e_1?pf_rd_p=250314601&pf_rd_s=center-41&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=B00008EM7V&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=0HEFNPC6JJ9GMRP05MD1

Maxell Pro Disc Fixer DSR-1
http://www.amazon.com/Maxell-Pro-Disc-Fixer-DSR-1/dp/B000EHUGXK/ref=pd_cp_e_3?pf_rd_p=250314601&pf_rd_s=center-41&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=B00008EM7V&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=0GE0HY5SH4Q0PKFZAHRK
Title: Re: More Bad News on DVD Rot
Post by: pattie on Jul 22, 2008 at 05:12 PM: can we put silica gel inside dvd cases?
Title: Re: More Bad News on DVD Rot
Post by: james16 on Jul 22, 2008 at 07:26 PM: Unfortunately, my WS copy of Finding Nemo R1 is not playing anymore, only its FS is playing na lang :(
Title: Re: More Bad News on DVD Rot
Post by: Dan on Jul 22, 2008 at 09:08 PM: where can one get silica gel packs again?
Title: Re: More Bad News on DVD Rot
Post by: juanch on Jul 23, 2008 at 12:59 PM: Quote from: Dan on Jul 22, 2008 at 09:08 PM
where can one get silica gel packs again?

True Value sa Shangrila 6th flr
Title: Re: More Bad News on DVD Rot
Post by: Dan on Jul 23, 2008 at 01:59 PM: I have a copy of Chungking Express (R1) which I acquired from one seller here some time ago. It plays fine on my player. The disc itself is pristine and mint. But whenever I play it on other DVD players (like, whenever I got to my friends' house), it skips midway.

I don't know if its dvd rot or whatever. All other players, brand new and old can't play it properly. But when it comes to my old Pioneer, it plays flawlessly ???
Title: Re: More Bad News on DVD Rot
Post by: frootloops on Jul 24, 2008 at 02:16 PM: Quote from: Dan on Jul 22, 2008 at 09:08 PM
where can one get silica gel packs again?

This is what it looks like bro. P62.75x25packs at TruValue. Reusable pa siya.

(http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h134/donnel111/1-17.jpg)
Title: Re: More Bad News on DVD Rot
Post by: juanch on Jul 24, 2008 at 04:25 PM: ^ yep, that's the silica gel I use for my DVD's
Title: Re: More Bad News on DVD Rot
Post by: RNIverson on Jul 29, 2008 at 09:16 AM: Quote from: frootloops on Jul 24, 2008 at 02:16 PM
This is what it looks like bro. P62.75x25packs at TruValue. Reusable pa siya.

So where is this stuff usually available? TIA
Title: Re: More Bad News on DVD Rot
Post by: frootloops on Jul 29, 2008 at 09:27 AM: Quote from: RNIverson on Jul 29, 2008 at 09:16 AM
So where is this stuff usually available? TIA

I only see it at TruValue.
Title: Re: More Bad News on DVD Rot
Post by: RNIverson on Sep 24, 2008 at 10:06 AM: Quote from: RNIverson on Jan 06, 2007 at 11:00 AM
after checking my collection last dec, i think i have this also on my MSG dvd, but on disc-2 special features only. still playable though

It's now officially a victim of DVD Rot :'(
Title: Re: More Bad News on DVD Rot
Post by: kristerocky on Sep 25, 2008 at 10:42 AM: Sad news but true.. :'(
I'll better get some silica gel packs..
Title: Re: More Bad News on DVD Rot
Post by: Fat Makoy on Sep 26, 2008 at 05:14 PM: really a sad news for us dvd collectors... especially for me since i just started the collection last August.

mas malaki ba advantage na hindi mag rot ang dvd kung sealed pa?
may naka encounter na ba dito na sealed yung dvd nya for a very long time then when he opened it, may rot na? possible kaya ang dvd rot sa isang sealed dvd?

TIA.
Title: Re: More Bad News on DVD Rot
Post by: mujacko2002 on Jan 06, 2009 at 11:17 PM: Mabuhay!

Nakakatuwa naman ito! Pagkatapos kong kumayod para makabili lang ng CDs/DVDs kakanta rin pala ng song ni Ms. Streisand "some good things never last".

OT
pasensya na slower learner ako, yung silica gel ba ilalagay sa loob ng box ng CD/DVD or maglalagay ka mismo sa cabinet kung saan nakatago mga collection mo? please advise

TIA for any response.

Godbless
Title: Re: More Bad News on DVD Rot
Post by: frootloops on Jan 07, 2009 at 09:17 AM: Quote from: Francis M. on Sep 26, 2008 at 05:14 PM
really a sad news for us dvd collectors... especially for me since i just started the collection last August.

mas malaki ba advantage na hindi mag rot ang dvd kung sealed pa?
may naka encounter na ba dito na sealed yung dvd nya for a very long time then when he opened it, may rot na? possible kaya ang dvd rot sa isang sealed dvd?

TIA.

It is the sudden change of temperature that causes these rots,moisture and humidity. So rot in a sealed DVD is highly possible.
Title: Re: More Bad News on DVD Rot
Post by: frootloops on Jan 07, 2009 at 09:20 AM: Quote from: mujacko2002 on Jan 06, 2009 at 11:17 PM
Mabuhay!

Nakakatuwa naman ito! Pagkatapos kong kumayod para makabili lang ng CDs/DVDs kakanta rin pala ng song ni Ms. Streisand "some good things never last".

OT
pasensya na slower learner ako, yung silica gel ba ilalagay sa loob ng box ng CD/DVD or maglalagay ka mismo sa cabinet kung saan nakatago mga collection mo? please advise

TIA for any response.

Godbless

I put silica gel inside every DVD, now if you have a sealed cabinet a silica gel or a jigger of water will do just to suck out the moisture. You can also notice this in jewelry shops etc wherein they put a jigger of water in one or two corners.
Title: Re: More Bad News on DVD Rot
Post by: jojitv on Jan 07, 2009 at 01:57 PM: Quote from: Eclipse on Jan 07, 2009 at 09:20 AM
You can also notice this in jewelry shops etc wherein they put a jigger of water in one or two corners.

Oh I see, yun pala purpose nun. Akala ko pampaswerte. Hahaha ;D
Title: Re: More Bad News on DVD Rot
Post by: frootloops on Jan 07, 2009 at 02:01 PM: Quote from: jojitv on Jan 07, 2009 at 01:57 PM
Oh I see, yun pala purpose nun. Akala ko pampaswerte. Hahaha ;D

hehe..akala ko nga din alay. ;D
Title: Re: More Bad News on DVD Rot
Post by: thegoodbyeguy on Jan 07, 2009 at 07:32 PM: Quote from: Eclipse on Jan 07, 2009 at 09:20 AM
a jigger of water will do just to suck out the moisture. You can also notice this in jewelry shops etc wherein they put a jigger of water in one or two corners.

Not only sucking moisture but dust as well. For some reason, the dust gets into the water. I put those behind my bookshelf. :)
Title: Re: More Bad News on DVD Rot
Post by: daigoro on Jan 12, 2009 at 12:27 PM: Quote from: thegoodbyeguy on Jan 07, 2009 at 07:32 PM
Not only sucking moisture but dust as well. For some reason, the dust gets into the water. I put those behind my bookshelf. :)

I am guessing that it has something to do that almost all the dust in our homes is made of discarded skin cells that the inhabitants shed.
Title: Re: More Bad News on DVD Rot
Post by: juanch on Jan 16, 2009 at 02:53 PM: I bought this Dehumidfier from Ace Hardware at around php70 in hopes that it will prevent my DVD collection from rotting.
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3529/3201093760_4a3afae48d.jpg)

Note all the liquid it has absorbed in 3 weeks ;)
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3524/3201093766_7065c4ed7f.jpg)

I also place a pillow of silica gel in my more precious DVD's for added prevention.
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3486/3201093774_cfd1f097b8.jpg)

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3328/3201093778_b16b3b885d.jpg)
Title: Re: More Bad News on DVD Rot
Post by: jojitv on Jan 17, 2009 at 05:09 AM: Quote from: juancho on Jan 16, 2009 at 02:53 PM
I bought this Dehumidfier from Ace Hardware at around php70 in hopes that it will prevent my DVD collection from rotting.
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3529/3201093760_4a3afae48d.jpg)

Note all the liquid it has absorbed in 3 weeks ;)
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3524/3201093766_7065c4ed7f.jpg)

Thanks for the tip juancho. I'll try and get me some to place near my BDs.:) BTW, how big is the cup?
Title: Re: More Bad News on DVD Rot
Post by: juanch on Jan 17, 2009 at 08:48 AM: Quote from: jojitv on Jan 17, 2009 at 05:09 AM
BTW, how big is the cup?

There are different sizes available, The one on the picture is 600ml. You can just place it in one corner of you DVD cabinet.
It's not too distracting naman.
Title: Re: More Bad News on DVD Rot
Post by: anya618 on Jan 17, 2009 at 08:49 AM: Quote from: juancho on Jan 16, 2009 at 02:53 PM
I bought this Dehumidfier from Ace Hardware at around php70 in hopes that it will prevent my DVD collection from rotting.
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3529/3201093760_4a3afae48d.jpg)

Note all the liquid it has absorbed in 3 weeks ;)
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3524/3201093766_7065c4ed7f.jpg)

I also place a pillow of silica gel in my more precious DVD's for added prevention.
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3486/3201093774_cfd1f097b8.jpg)

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3328/3201093778_b16b3b885d.jpg)

sir gaano katagal bago magpalit ulit nito?
Title: Re: More Bad News on DVD Rot
Post by: RNIverson on Jan 30, 2009 at 05:14 PM: Quote from: RNIverson on Sep 24, 2008 at 10:06 AM
It's now officially a victim of DVD Rot :'(

Rot is very visible and disc is no longer playable on DVD players, but surprisingly plays on a PS3 ::)

Other victims... Appleseed Steelbook and 2046 Kor LE :'(
Title: Re: More Bad News on DVD Rot
Post by: gearhead000 on Jan 30, 2009 at 05:18 PM: Quote from: juancho on Jan 16, 2009 at 02:53 PM
I bought this Dehumidfier from Ace Hardware at around php70 in hopes that it will prevent my DVD collection from rotting.

I also place a pillow of silica gel in my more precious DVD's for added prevention.
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3486/3201093774_cfd1f097b8.jpg)

mukhang used na for some time, ah. it's turning pink na.
Title: Re: More Bad News on DVD Rot
Post by: ment on Mar 02, 2009 at 01:03 PM: wow this sucks ........

question ... san kayo nakakabili ng silica gel sa sachet?
Title: Re: More Bad News on DVD Rot
Post by: juanch on Mar 02, 2009 at 01:38 PM: Quote from: ment on Mar 02, 2009 at 01:03 PM
wow this sucks ........

question ... san kayo nakakabili ng silica gel sa sachet?

I got mine in True Value
Title: Re: More Bad News on DVD Rot
Post by: frootloops on Mar 28, 2009 at 02:01 PM: THE LIFESPAN OF DVD's (http://www.larryjordan.biz/articles/lj_dvd_life.html)
Title: Re: More Bad News on DVD Rot
Post by: aszamora on Mar 28, 2009 at 04:00 PM: I just discovered that I officially joined the DVD rot club. My Nightmare on Elm Street Infinifilm Edition just won't play in my DVD player anymore. I tried playing in a DVD drive and ganoon din. There are no visible signs naman but it just won't play anymore. Disc 2 is still playable though. Silica gel here I come.
Title: Re: More Bad News on DVD Rot
Post by: evo69 on Mar 29, 2009 at 07:09 PM: Quote from: ment on Mar 02, 2009 at 01:03 PM
wow this sucks ........

question ... san kayo nakakabili ng silica gel sa sachet?

Meron sa Handyman. HomeLife yung brand.
Title: Re: More Bad News on DVD Rot
Post by: elvenears on May 22, 2009 at 05:54 AM: woah!!good thing ive read about this...mga sir do you think that this is also possible for sealed dvd's cause i have a couple of box sets that are not opened yet.i would hate it if i would not get to play my discs even once..makes me want to open a couple of them ;D at least I have a reason now to give in to temptation ;D
Title: Re: More Bad News on DVD Rot
Post by: bukoy on May 29, 2009 at 01:18 PM: Ung Terminator R1 special Edition eto ung 2sided disc dvd version nagka dvd rot, oks lang sana kung ung special features side ung nadali ang masama ung movie feature mismo huhuhu :'( sayang dapat binak-up ko sana agad. Napabile tuloy ako ng R3 ung Magnavision version nito, 2disc sya kaya lng nawala na ung animated menus, DD5.1 nlang imbes na DD5.1EX sa R1, at nabawasan din ung special features sa disk 2
Title: Re: More Bad News on DVD Rot
Post by: viper on Jun 24, 2009 at 12:23 PM: Whats the fastest way to check if the discs have been hit by rot (short of having it loaded on the player to see if it will play in its entirety)?
Title: Re: More Bad News on DVD Rot
Post by: ABCmotorparts on Jun 24, 2009 at 03:36 PM: Quote from: viper on Jun 24, 2009 at 12:23 PM
Whats the fastest way to check if the discs have been hit by rot (short of having it loaded on the player to see if it will play in its entirety)?

No other way sir,..

Sometimes even if the disc has that cloudy thingy, it will still play, and sometimes it won't, depending on how much the damage is...

The only sure fire way is to load it via the player sir,...

regards
Title: Re: More Bad News on DVD Rot
Post by: bukoy on Jul 22, 2009 at 12:05 PM: Quote from: gearhead000 on Jan 30, 2009 at 05:18 PM
mukhang used na for some time, ah. it's turning pink na.
paarawan lng para mag clear ulit
Title: Re: More Bad News on DVD Rot
Post by: bukoy on Jul 22, 2009 at 12:16 PM: Quote from: Fat Shady on Sep 26, 2008 at 05:14 PM
really a sad news for us dvd collectors... especially for me since i just started the collection last August.

mas malaki ba advantage na hindi mag rot ang dvd kung sealed pa?
may naka encounter na ba dito na sealed yung dvd nya for a very long time then when he opened it, may rot na? possible kaya ang dvd rot sa isang sealed dvd?

TIA.

Kahit sealed possible parin mag dvd rot or if ever mag karoon ng foggy surface, due to humidity, eto ung nangyari sa Da Vinci Code ko na almost half a year bago ko sya buksan nagkaroon tuloy ng foggy surface ung both disc mas severe ung sa disc 1 pero na treat ko naman sya kaagad, buy buffing it with filtered water using a microfiber cloth , un nga lang di maiiwasan ang pag kagasgas pero mild scratches lng naman pero mas nanaisin ko pang magkaron ng minimal scratch kesa di ko na sya mapanood diba ;)...just sharing

other thing put a pillow case of silica gel...it helps control oxidation resulting moisture the coz of the foggy surface issue on our precious collections.
Title: Re: More Bad News on DVD Rot
Post by: ralfy on Aug 21, 2009 at 07:00 PM: "How long do CD-Rs last?"

http://features.csmonitor.com/innovation/2009/08/17/how-long-do-cd-rs-last/
Title: Re: More Bad News on DVD Rot
Post by: chimpanshane on Aug 22, 2009 at 03:32 PM: Iam also a new member of the DVD rot victim..

Rot attacked my Blob (1958) DVD..and Justin Timberlake CD..yung Blob nagpplay pa naman while yung JT CD..nagsskip na yung last track >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: More Bad News on DVD Rot
Post by: Kd Jb on Sep 08, 2009 at 04:21 AM: This is really scary news. As new to the hobby, Alam ko naman na dvd wont last that long but still mahirap isipin na mag rot yung precious dvd collection mo. Naisip ko tuloy buti pa toys kahit ilang taon ganun pa rin.
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Post by: dshowstapa on Sep 09, 2009 at 01:34 PM: I just read this topic. Grabe andami ko pa namang hindi napapanood sa mga DVDs ko. When I use silica gel ba e guaranteed na hindi magro-rot yung dvd ko?
Title: Re: More Bad News on DVD Rot
Post by: chimpanshane on Sep 11, 2009 at 11:21 AM: Just bought some Silica Gel pack @ Ace Hardware around 71php..approximately 40 pillows.

(http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h70/michael_aransazo/Picture003.jpg)

I put single pillow of Silica Gel in every DVD's
(http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h70/michael_aransazo/Picture004.jpg)

;D
Title: Re: More Bad News on DVD Rot
Post by: ABCmotorparts on Sep 11, 2009 at 01:27 PM: Quote from: dshowstapa on Sep 09, 2009 at 01:34 PM
I just read this topic. Grabe andami ko pa namang hindi napapanood sa mga DVDs ko. When I use silica gel ba e guaranteed na hindi magro-rot yung dvd ko?

no,..

its not a guarantee, somehow we still do not know what is really causing the rot on the discs...

honestly, mukhang mas matibay ang jack sparrow discs... :P
Title: Re: More Bad News on DVD Rot
Post by: john_jeopardy on Oct 04, 2009 at 10:51 AM: I just checked my collection.. Yung ibang discs nagkaroon ng accumulation of dusts, pero sa surface lang naman.. Yung tipong kumpul-kumpol yung mga alikabok na para na siyang spots.. Sign din ba ito of rotting? Na-wipe ko naman eh.. Although common siya sa mga DVDs na hindi ko madalas i-open.

Some of my CD-Rs naman, may mga spots na talaga, as in kapag hinold mo against the light, light passes through the spots. Alam kong disc rotting na yun. Pero yung mga discs na iyon ay iyong mga pinabayaan ko na talaga. As in they were stacked on top of each other for years na.
Title: Re: More Bad News on DVD Rot
Post by: bukoy on Dec 02, 2009 at 09:34 AM: Quote from: chimpanshane on Sep 11, 2009 at 11:21 AM
Just bought some Silica Gel pack @ Ace Hardware around 71php..approximately 40 pillows.

(http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h70/michael_aransazo/Picture003.jpg)

I put single pillow of Silica Gel in every DVD's
(http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h70/michael_aransazo/Picture004.jpg)

;D

Guaranteed nakakatulong to keep moisture off, the main cause of fungus, foggy surface build-up ;)
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Post by: viper on Feb 11, 2010 at 05:20 PM: Kailangan pa bang butasan yung silica gel pillows (pin holes)? Permeable ba yung plastic packaging ng pillows?
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Post by: chimpanshane on Feb 15, 2010 at 09:14 PM: Quote from: viper on Feb 11, 2010 at 05:20 PM
Kailangan pa bang butasan yung silica gel pillows (pin holes)? Permeable ba yung plastic packaging ng pillows?

its up to you po kung gusto mo pa butasan..pero may maliliit na butas na plastic nung pillows. :)
Title: Re: More Bad News on DVD Rot
Post by: viper on Feb 17, 2010 at 05:22 PM: Quote from: chimpanshane on Feb 15, 2010 at 09:14 PM
its up to you po kung gusto mo pa butasan..pero may maliliit na butas na plastic nung pillows. :)

May butas na pala yung plastic. Anyway, para sigurado, tusukin ko na rin ng aspile or pardible. Thanks.
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Post by: Moks007 on Sep 19, 2010 at 10:46 AM: Man this really sucks. I just checked my dvds bec. I'm planning to sell them sana. However, a lot have fungus and mold na. Bad trip talaga. Hay I will buy na the dehumidifier and silica gel.
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Post by: jbluzb on Feb 03, 2011 at 07:03 AM: Thank guys, for the great tip. I think I should also do this to my audio CDs.
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Post by: jonjon on Mar 07, 2011 at 11:12 AM: How long will the silica gel last? Also yung dehumidifier...Tip naman guys when I should change ung silica gel sa loob ng DVD case, at yung laman nung dehumidifier...TIA
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Post by: dpogs on Mar 07, 2011 at 12:43 PM: Quote from: jonjon on Mar 07, 2011 at 11:12 AM
How long will the silica gel last? Also yung dehumidifier...Tip naman guys when I should change ung silica gel sa loob ng DVD case, at yung laman nung dehumidifier...TIA

ang alam ko (im not sure)... kapag nagiba na ang kulay ng silica gel (di na siya transparent)... kailangan nang palitan (or ibilad na lang sa araw para di na palitan).
Title: Re: More Bad News on DVD Rot
Post by: jonjon on Mar 07, 2011 at 02:38 PM: Quote from: dpogs on Mar 07, 2011 at 12:43 PM
ang alam ko (im not sure)... kapag nagiba na ang kulay ng silica gel (di na siya transparent)... kailangan nang palitan (or ibilad na lang sa araw para di na palitan).

Thanks sa tip!!!
Title: Re: More Bad News on DVD Rot
Post by: frootloops on Mar 08, 2011 at 08:05 PM: Someone told me to buy a junk refrigerator then put a dehumidifier inside. 8)
Title: Re: More Bad News on DVD Rot
Post by: turismo1997 on Mar 09, 2011 at 05:12 AM: two of my jack sparrows stored in binder went transparent. ;D ;D
Title: Re: More Bad News on DVD Rot
Post by: jonjon on Mar 09, 2011 at 10:57 AM: Its good that we have topics like this...I just finished putting those silica gels sa lahat ng collection ko...Now ko lang nakita me mga nag sta-start na magmold...Good thing nalilinis pa...Just use yung microfiber cloth, basain nyo lang konti then wipe nyo sa dvd...then dry it off with another miicrofiber cloth na dry...Thanks sa mga dvd gurus here, was able to prolong life span ng dvd collection ko...

Only disadvantage of the silica gel is that you have to let loose your collection...Nabuksan ko na lahat pati steelbooks ko... ;D
Title: Re: More Bad News on DVD Rot
Post by: Jerricson098 on Mar 13, 2011 at 08:12 AM: problemado na nga aq sa scratch VCD/DVD in my collection, eto pa ang mas matindi. Sigh, but luckily I haven't encountered it yet.
Title: Re: More Bad News on DVD Rot
Post by: Moks007 on Jun 10, 2011 at 05:53 AM: Quote from: chimpanshane on Sep 11, 2009 at 11:21 AM
Just bought some Silica Gel pack @ Ace Hardware around 71php..approximately 40 pillows.

(http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h70/michael_aransazo/Picture003.jpg)

I put single pillow of Silica Gel in every DVD's
(http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h70/michael_aransazo/Picture004.jpg)

;D

I bought a lot of these ;D. I just have a question now. Does this product have Cobalt Chloride? I don't wanna freak out or have an anxiety attack ;D. Thats bec. I have so much dvds and blurays (around 1300 or more surrounding my bedroom and living room ;D), eh kung Carcinogenic pala. I don't want this stuff in my place. :(

here is a link
http://www.google.com.ph/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=2&ved=0CDYQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fcobaltchloride.net%2F&rct=j&q=cobalt%20chloride&ei=7lnxTdC_J4iGuQOGmNDPBA&usg=AFQjCNEVeDw2nQBo1djSF72KOR7nAawmGg&cad=rja

What do you guys think?
Title: Re: More Bad News on DVD Rot
Post by: AICRAG on Jun 10, 2011 at 06:34 AM: kung made in china at walang declaration, i will really think twice of using it.

If it is from US and it is not "declared", most probably it does not contain the said carcinogen. Ang higpit ng US FDA sa mga ganyan. Pag may content at hindi declared yari yung company.
Title: Re: More Bad News on DVD Rot
Post by: Dan on Aug 01, 2012 at 03:24 PM: So far so good. None of my DVDs seem to be rotting. But I'll make sure to buy more silica gel.
Title: Re: More Bad News on DVD Rot
Post by: james16 on Aug 01, 2012 at 04:08 PM: Unfortunately 3 dvds have been damaged - R1 (Finding Nemo and Kingdom of Heaven Director's cut) and R3 (Mission Impossible 3)

the wierd is that Finding Nemo and MI3 does not show any evidence of rotting but it does not play to any of my players. Then the Kingdom Of Heaven, especially disc 1 (it formed a clear ring at the middle between the edges and the center) haaayyy...

mahal pa namain sila nung nabili ko yun dti.
Title: Re: More Bad News on DVD Rot
Post by: shuttertrigger on Aug 01, 2012 at 04:11 PM: will check mine this weekend. Thanks for this thread.
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Post by: Jerricson098 on Sep 25, 2012 at 02:43 PM: My Inglourious Basterds 2 Disc DVD took the bite and now I threw it away :'(
Title: Re: More Bad News on DVD Rot
Post by: pandox on Oct 25, 2012 at 11:33 PM: Quote from: james16 on Aug 01, 2012 at 04:08 PM
Unfortunately 3 dvds have been damaged - R1 (Finding Nemo and Kingdom of Heaven Director's cut) and R3 (Mission Impossible 3)

the wierd is that Finding Nemo and MI3 does not show any evidence of rotting but it does not play to any of my players. Then the Kingdom Of Heaven, especially disc 1 (it formed a clear ring at the middle between the edges and the center) haaayyy...

mahal pa namain sila nung nabili ko yun dti.

same thing happened sa MI3 R3 ko, no signs of rotting pero ayaw na mag play sa lahat ng dvd players ko.
Title: Re: More Bad News on DVD Rot
Post by: Dan on Oct 25, 2012 at 11:35 PM: Quote from: james16 on Aug 01, 2012 at 04:08 PM
Unfortunately 3 dvds have been damaged - R1 (Finding Nemo and Kingdom of Heaven Director's cut) and R3 (Mission Impossible 3)

the wierd is that Finding Nemo and MI3 does not show any evidence of rotting but it does not play to any of my players. Then the Kingdom Of Heaven, especially disc 1 (it formed a clear ring at the middle between the edges and the center) haaayyy...

mahal pa namain sila nung nabili ko yun dti.

Oh no... time to check my Finding Nemo and MI3 dvds....
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Post by: Kd Jb on May 18, 2013 at 08:16 PM: Starting to experience a lot of this dvd rot. I still keep some dvd as some extra features are not available sa bluray version nila like ung sa fantastic four. Imagine my suprise when i open my copy of ff to see that disc 1 is already rotting. Good 2 yung disc 2 is nababasa pa so i was able to make a back up of it. Nakakatakot namam kung mangyayari din to sa blu collection ko ouch
Title: Re: More Bad News on DVD Rot
Post by: Arulco on May 18, 2013 at 10:19 PM: Some of my DVDs from +/- 8 years ago have started to rot. I found out about this while I was transferring my entire DVD and CD library into external HDDs when I decided to fully migrate away from optical media this year. The discs that have rotted are only those which I suspect are the low quality made or fake ones.

I have to admit though, that these discs have not been stored in the most ideal conditions.
Title: Re: More Bad News on DVD Rot
Post by: d4nu65+3R on Feb 27, 2015 at 12:30 PM: bummer. excited hearing about the alien reboot by blomkamp and i had to go and bring out my quadrilogy box set to watch aliens. lo and behold, all discs have swirls.
Title: Re: More Bad News on DVD Rot
Post by: viper on May 04, 2018 at 02:38 PM: I really need to check my DVDs and CDs on storage (plastic storage boxes). I have silica gel packets included in these containers but I haven't checked on these for the past 3 years. Hope they are still playable. Some of the titles are not available on Iflix, Netflix and Spotify so its really a concern.
Title: Re: More Bad News on DVD Rot
Post by: Moks007 on May 04, 2018 at 05:36 PM: Yup me too. With the hot and humid weather here, i think our discs are gonners. I already moved a lot of my dvd discs to dvd binders but i think they will still get damaged.

I will be moving my blurays and place it sa discsox sleeves. Ok yun discsox, but expensive.

Binders are too tight for the discs imo
Title: Re: More Bad News on DVD Rot
Post by: viper on Jun 23, 2018 at 10:38 AM: The heavy downpour last thursday PM (Jun 21,2018) caused water to creep into my boxes that included my stored DVDs. Now, I need to check if any of the discs have been affected. Extreme moisture = DVD rot.
Title: Re: More Bad News on DVD Rot
Post by: Peorth on Jun 24, 2018 at 12:15 PM: I don't have any video DVDs but I have a collection of nearly 700 DVD recordables for storing data, before I offloaded all of them to multiple hard disks. I read up a lot on optimal burning techniques and how to store the discs properly, and hanged out at CDFreaks (a site dedicated to optical media) before it became myce.com. I don't really care much about optical disks nowadays, since haven't burned any discs in ages, but just a comment about silica gel.

Humidity probably plays some role in "DVD rot" so people tend to use some form of dehumidification to lessen the risk. However, I don't know if it's clear to people that using silica gel is useless unless the discs and the gel are sealed together in a container. Ideally this should be airtight, to prevent the gel from saturating quickly, but some kind of non-airtight enclosure will work to some extent, though the ability of the gel will not last long. Moreover, merely placing some silica gel in an enclosure gives you no way of actually knowing if 1) you've decreased the humidity inside sufficiently 2) how long a dehumidified condition inside the enclosure will last.

Therefore, the only really logical way to use silica gel is to use it with an enclosure paired with a hygrometer -- in other words a drybox. A simple example would be a big Lock & Lock or Biokips airtight container with some silica gel and a hygrometer. You can buy digital hygrometers from mall stores or online (Lazada has quite a number), though I'm not sure which ones are accurate. The suggestion in this page to use a junk refrigerator is actually spot on, because the gaskets on a refrigerator make it airtight and it's large enough to hold a large DVD collection. You'll need to put enough silica gel or commercial dehumidifier so that the relative humidity (RH) is below 60%, which is the number to remember because RH of 60% and higher favors mold growth. Targeting something like 30-40% RH would likely be good.

Regarding silica gel, I bought a kilogram of it from a chemical supply store for just 100 pesos many years ago. I no longer use it, but it's stored in several glass bottles to prevent it from being saturated with moisture. If you're gonna use silica gel, it's nice to add a sprinkling of the color change ones, like the ones you can buy at department stores. A kilo of the stuff costs around 800 pesos when I asked many years ago, and there's some concern about the potential carcinogenicity of cobalt chloride, but a small amount should pose no problem, especially since you're not grinding the stuff and creating dust that can be inhaled or ingested. The point of the color change silica gel is that it will tell you when it's saturated with moisture (and therefore no longer effective) and needs to be regenerated (i.e. blue silica gel turns to pink). You can regenerate silica gel by putting it in an oven set to 120 C and heating for an hour or two.