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Title: Buffy The Vampire Slayer
Post by: utoy on Jun 13, 2002 at 12:40 PM
Calling all fans of BtVS, here's our thread.

I started watching this excellent excellent show when my then unemployed sister forced me to watch one episode. Since then, I got hooked. I like the effects and the action scenes. I'd occasionally catch the gang's repartee but I was in it mainly for the visuals (Sarah Michelle Gellar!). It's only now that I get to appreciate the mythology and story line (heck I'm even beginning to like Angel, the Series), thanks to the pinoyslayers discussion group. This thread is actually dedicated to them.

Fans, shippers, critics and casual viewers may discuss everything Buffy. For those spoilery stuff you might want to include SPOILER tags or warnings.
Title: Re:The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: Holly Golightly on Jun 13, 2002 at 01:02 PM
Aww this board is sooo cool!

Hi, utoy, amyslayer here going by a different name. Ginagamay ko pa ang boards, but is anyone here selling R2 or R4 box sets of Buffy's season 3 & 4? Or should I post this question elsewhere?
Title: Re:The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: utoy on Jun 13, 2002 at 01:25 PM
Hi Holly Golighty!

There's a Marketplace Forum. You can ask around there. I think there was once an R2 Buffy for sale by agwe23.
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: markcas on Jun 13, 2002 at 10:20 PM
Hello! Mark here!

I want to buy the S3 R2 DVDs too! Lalo na nung nalaman ko na widescreen ang Buffy S4! Kaso, it's a bit too expensive, about 70+ pounds sa Amazon.co.uk!!! I'm just relying on my allowance, for pete's sake!  ::)

Good thing I won on that BPI Express Advice contest on Studio 23 and now I'm one of the proud owner of Season 2 DVDs!


Since utoy shared his Buffy story, I would like to share mine too!  ;D

I'm just channel surfing one Sunday night and some strange forces caused my remote to malfunction exactly on RPN. I saw Spike in vamp-face and I'm a huge fan of horror movies so I decided to check it out (the episode shown then was School Hard). Then I saw SMG and I instantly have a crush on her (I'm about 13 back then). Again, like utoy, I'm just tuning in for the Special Effects and the action and after a couple of episodes more, I became a huge fan. Heck, Buffy is the first english series I watched.  ;)
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: kings5504 on Jun 14, 2002 at 07:46 AM
I recall the very first episode that i watched was an episode in the first season where xander was possessed by these hyenas while on a field trip (i can't recall the title... maybe someone can help me...)...  I was in front of the TV doing my homework (buffy was being aired at ch. 9 on sundays at 7pm during that time), and the show came on.  I remember thinking, "a TV show based on a theatrical flop?  what the crap is this?"  But, being the lazy guy that i am, i didn't reach for the remote to change the channel and left it on.  And I remembered having a good time watching the episode.  I didn't even get to finish my homework while the show was on.  The show was a great mix of horror, drama, and comedy.  After watching that single episode, Buffy instantly became Must See TV for me...  :)

For me, the best season is still the second season, although i also love the first and third seasons.  the fourth and fifth seasons i found to be a bit uneven (although i loved the episodes "The Gift" and "The Body").  I have yet to see more than one episode from the sixth season, but I LOVED LOVED LOVED LOVED "Once More With Feeling" (The musical)...  Can't wait to get that episode on DVD...  :)
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: NY152 on Jun 14, 2002 at 10:26 AM
I have yet to see more than one episode from the sixth season, but I LOVED LOVED LOVED LOVED "Once More With Feeling" (The musical)...  Can't wait to get that episode on DVD...  :)

As a BUFFY addict, I must say that there were only TWO good episodes in the entire sixth season, "Once More With Feeling" (which they gave away as a free DVD in Daily Variety "For Emmy Consideration" about 2 weeks ago) and the episode immediately after that, "Tabula Rasa", which is the funniest episode of all time. The rest of the season is just too dark and disturbing, and is missing that comic edge that makes the show what it is. Even the producers admit that, and have decided to lighten the tone again for season 7.

The only other good thing about season 6 are the numerous near pornographic love scenes between Buffy and Spike. They really push the envelope to the edge - their scenes are similar to but even hotter than 9 1/2 Weeks, which in its time got an R Rating for theaters.

My first episode was "Lie To Me", and the subtlety of that episode (each character tells a small lie, the consequences of which fuel the entire episode) hooked me. I completely didn't see the twist of why Ford wanted to be a vampire. It was a very powerful episode.

When RPN 9 took forever to get Season 4 (I think they showed Season 3 maybe 3 1/2 times!), I actually got Season 4 on PAL VHS from Amazon UK. Now that I have the DVDs of Seasons 1-4, that's just another duplicate sitting on my shelf gathering dust.

It's a very costly addiction in my book!

In Buffy news, Sarah Michelle Gellar recently announced that she will not be providing the voice of Buffy for the new animated series.

See? You should never get me started on BUFFY talk. Just be thankful acidburn is busy right now, or you'd be getting a lot more... hehehe...  ;)
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: Bruce_Wayne on Jun 14, 2002 at 10:46 AM
Anyone collecting the Buffy books/novels?   Am currently reading the Angel/Buffy Crossover Trilogy:  The Unseen.   Nasa book 3 na ako.    then I'll proceed to the Lost Slayer 4 part series kaya lang i can't seem to find books 3 and 4.   Has anyone seen them sa National bookstore?  
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: utoy on Jun 14, 2002 at 11:16 AM
Hey markas and kings5504! Nice to see you guys here.  :) I see, Buffy was part of your coming-of-age. He he.

Can anyone handle kings5504's query regarding the hyena xander ep? Cause I'm a bit out of touch with ep titles.

Hey NY152! You too?! Hehe. Can't say the same thing cause I'm only up to what Studio 23 is showing. Glad I got you started on Buffy talk. I know you want to.  ;D

Speaking of Tabula Rasa, that's the name of the Official Pinoyslayer Message Board (http://pinoyslayer.tripod.com).
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: Redmary on Jun 14, 2002 at 01:03 PM
Hey utoy! Making my entrance here. Thanks for creating this thread.

To share how I discovered Buffy...

I was in college. RPN was airing it on Sundays then, and a friend said "Watch it, it's funny." It was season 1, I think "The Puppet Show," and I did find the show hilarious. I stuck by it, despite not having an episode guide and not knowing the proper sequence of episodes.

I fixed that problem come season 2, when I had an episode guide all ready. I made notes about episodes I didn't dare miss. And then from there the "funny" show revealed to me how romantic and painful it could be. Good thing I was in it for more than the funny, and I was hooked.

By the time Jenny Calendar died, I was investing precious time and money into this obsession. Magazines. VCR and VHS tapes. Downloading the music featured on the show.

Now I'm no longer in college and I'm still watching this show I love, except it's now split into two shows that I love sometimes equally. That means twice as much VHS tapes and magazines and music and rm/divx episodes and eventually, DVDs.

Gah.

8)
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: kings5504 on Jun 14, 2002 at 01:35 PM
now, i remember!  it's "The Pack"!  hehehe...  answered my own question..  ;D
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: NY152 on Jun 14, 2002 at 02:43 PM
Question for you people:

SPOILERish. Highlight to read:

Today on SCI FI Wire, when asked if Tara would be back next season due to fan demand, Joss Whedon replied:

"Tara will not be back. But Amber will."

Anyone know what he meant? Any speculations? Evil twin? Alternate Reality?
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: Holly Golightly on Jun 14, 2002 at 04:24 PM
Question for you people:

SPOILERish. Highlight to read:

-SNIP!-

Anyone know what he meant? Any speculations? Evil twin? Alternate Reality?

My (totally unspoiled) guess? Amber will be directing an episode. Tara will stay dead. Spike will be more naked. Bwahahahaha.
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: pagan on Jun 14, 2002 at 04:27 PM

Question for you people:

Anyone know what he meant? Any speculations? Evil twin? Alternate Reality?


First of all.. Yehey!

Second of all.. i don't care how *only that she's gonna be back!*
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: bluewillow on Jun 14, 2002 at 04:47 PM

My (totally unspoiled) guess? Amber will be directing an episode. Tara will stay dead. Spike will be more naked. Bwahahahaha.


bwahahaha.  love that.  as in.
idol talaga kita.
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: ~CaroL~ on Jun 14, 2002 at 05:50 PM
aww.... i feel left out..... you all had watched Seasons 1-3.....  :( and some of you have DVDs.  :(
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: pagan on Jun 14, 2002 at 05:58 PM

aww.... i feel left out..... you all had watched Seasons 1-3.....  :( and some of you have DVDs.  :(


Aww.. don't be!  We love to talk about any season of Buffy, so just start any topic and we promise to jump right in  ;)
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: ~CaroL~ on Jun 14, 2002 at 06:32 PM


aww.... i feel left out..... you all had watched Seasons 1-3.....  :( and some of you have DVDs.  :(


Aww.. don't be!  We love to talk about any season of Buffy, so just start any topic and we promise to jump right in  ;)


Thank you. But, i would still love to watch the episodes you know??  i dont feel like a True BtVS fan.
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: Holly Golightly on Jun 14, 2002 at 06:53 PM
aww.... i feel left out..... you all had watched Seasons 1-3.....  :( and some of you have DVDs.  :(

Aww.. don't be!  We love to talk about any season of Buffy, so just start any topic and we promise to jump right in  ;)

Thank you. But, i would still love to watch the episodes you know??  i dont feel like a True BtVS fan.

Yeah, you're just a Riley fan. <headshake>

bluewillow: Asus. Ka-touch naman. <singhot>

Seriously, will organize the Thon when I am feeling better talaga. I think I'm running a fever, though. Aaarrgg.
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: kakabanas on Jun 14, 2002 at 07:00 PM


Thank you. But, i would still love to watch the episodes you know??  i dont feel like a True BtVS fan.


Welcome to PinoyDVD Carol !

And next season, Britney Spears will appear in Buffy. I think Joss Whedon has lost his mind.


By the way, the musical season opener last fall was the best ever. I'm not a Buffy fan, but considering Joss did all the music and lyrics writing, that just shows how talented he is.... until the Britney fiasco.
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: NY152 on Jun 14, 2002 at 09:57 PM

And next season, Britney Spears will appear in Buffy. I think Joss Whedon has lost his mind.


Are you sure, K? I remember she was supposed to be in Season 5 as Warren's girlfriend but the scheduling couldn't be worked out... They finally found her a new role?
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: kakabanas on Jun 14, 2002 at 10:15 PM
Are you sure, K? I remember she was supposed to be in Season 5 as Warren's girlfriend but the scheduling couldn't be worked out... They finally found her a new role?

I read it in a magazine sometime ago.  Apparently, she's not so hot anymore and have so many gaps between her schedule due to cancelled concerts so she can spare some time shooting an episode. No job, no boyfriend, no talent ... and yet I can't seem to feel pity for this horrible girl.  She's the only one from the Mickey Mouse Club that grew up not developing any talent.

From what I remember, it will just be a guest stint, not as a regular cast. I don't know what role she will be playing ... but I do hope Buffy kick her right in the face !!!!
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: acidburn on Jun 14, 2002 at 10:55 PM

She's the only one from the Mickey Mouse Club that grew up not developing any talent.

From what I remember, it will just be a guest stint, not as a regular cast. I don't know what role she will be playing ... but I do hope Buffy kick her right in the face !!!!


mwa ha ha ha ha. thanks for making me laugh so hard.

anyway, i heard the role will be recurring for about 6 episodes.  :P  joss whedon has been smoking a lot of crack lately. I think it's to get more pre pubescent boys to watch specially since they  don't have anymore of the girl on girl action to reel them in.  ::) still, it's all just rumors though.

sana si mandy moore na lang ang guest. mwa ha ha ha   ;D
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: Jude on Jun 14, 2002 at 11:25 PM
Quote
Quote from: kakabanas


No job, no boyfriend, no talent ... and yet I can't seem to feel pity for this horrible girl.  


Well, siguro naman she's managed to save a lot more money for her future as compared to say, Tiffany or Debbie (Call me Deborah) Gibson.
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: kakabanas on Jun 14, 2002 at 11:40 PM

Well, siguro naman she's managed to save a lot more money for her future as compared to say, Tiffany or Debbie (Call me Deborah) Gibson.


True, she's set for life ... but neither Tiffany nor Debbie made two made back to back number 1 albums with one of them selling at least 11 million copies in the US alone.  Both can sing better though .. and Debbie even wrote her own songs (music and lyrics) and produced her albums. Debbie was on the Broadway musical Beauty and the Beast, that counts a lot. And I'm sure with Britney's looks, she will never have a hard time finding someone more attractive than Justin.

Still, the demise of Buffy, the TV series I think will be attributed to Britney's guest stint.  

Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: Redmary on Jun 15, 2002 at 01:58 AM
And I actually owned Tiffany and Debbie Gibson cassette tapes back in the day. </shame>

I'm not sure about the Britney guest appearance, though. I keep waiting for the news to appear on eonline, ew.com, or tvguide (because this is the kind of thing they'd announce, yes?) but no big headline yet.

Re the DVDs though... they should have put in commentary for "Passion" and "Becoming"! And "Reptile Boy" isn't even one of Greenwalt's finest.  :)
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: pagan on Jun 15, 2002 at 04:01 PM

And I actually owned Tiffany and Debbie Gibson cassette tapes back in the day. </shame>


Hey, I still have my Debbie tapes and I feel no shame.  I don't think we ought to regret the music choices we made in the past, unless they have completely ruined our taste forever.  So, chin up, girl!

NewKidsontheBlock4ever!
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: gumby on Jun 17, 2002 at 09:12 AM
I used to watch the show sporadically during it's first four seasons - only on its fifth did I begin watching it regularly.

Of the few episodes I saw in the first four seasons, the ones that I distinctly remember are "Becoming, part 2" (damn, that one was great), "Hush" (creepy!) and "Homecoming".

The fifth season (which I watch both in Channel 23 and Star World) is a good one for me. The introduction of Dawn and Glory are intriguing, and the hidden love of Spike is a big surprise. I can't wait for the season finale!

I'm planning on getting the first two seasons in DVD but where can I get the other seasons? Some of you guys already have 'em but Amazon.com only has the first two.
Title: Tonight on BtVS, 8pm @ Studio 23
Post by: utoy on Jun 17, 2002 at 10:46 AM
posted with permission from Redmary

"Family"
written and directed by Joss Whedon

It's Tara's birthday and her family has come to Sunnydale to visit, but they're the last people she wants to see. Feeling trapped, she resorts to magic and goes to great lengths to keep her new friends from finding out about her past, and her destiny.

<preview above might sound like a totally different episode from the trailer you see on Studio 23>
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: Bruce_Wayne on Jun 17, 2002 at 10:54 AM
Anyone who can provide me info on the buffy book titles i posted last week??    

by the way, finished the story The Unseen trilogy and it was a reunion of sorts for Buffy, Angel and Faith (yeah, Riley helped her escape).    Fun but way too long for one story.  
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: utoy on Jun 17, 2002 at 11:33 AM
I think you can get Powerbooks to import the books you're looking for. This I just read from a thread in the pinoyslayer yahoogroups (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pinoyslayer) (pimpage much? ;D). Or order it directly from Amazon. Or maybe PARC can help get it for you.
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: Redmary on Jun 18, 2002 at 01:54 PM

I'm planning on getting the first two seasons in DVD but where can I get the other seasons? Some of you guys already have 'em but Amazon.com only has the first two.


amazon.co.uk has region 2/PAL version DVDs up to season 4... I think acidburn's better equipped at telling you the pros and cons of getting them.

I have region 1s of seasons 1 and 2, and the features and extras got a lot better. (That is, if you're a fan of the writers and love behind the scenes stuff like me.)

Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: gumby on Jun 18, 2002 at 03:01 PM
Yeah I checked amazon.co.uk and indeed I saw the 4 seasons of Buffy in region 2. I had half a mind to order them when I realized how expensive they are, considering the conversion of pound to peso!

I do love behind-the-scenes features (interviews, making-of, critic comments, etc) - where did you get your seasons 1 and 2, by the way?
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: NY152 on Jun 18, 2002 at 04:17 PM
amazon.co.uk has region 2/PAL version DVDs up to season 4... I think acidburn's better equipped at telling you the pros and cons of getting them.

Actually, with all due respect to acidburn, who I personally consider the ULTIMATE Pinoy source for all things "Buffy"... since she gets the UK DVD episodes from ME, I think I might be the better source for information about the R2 DVDs.  :)

They basically have the same features with the R1 discs with one minor difference: The brief "Joss Whedon Interviews" for 6 episodes in each boxed set.  The Region 2 discs do not contain these, since they were actually created for the US "Best Of Buffy" VHS boxed sets.

But the rest of the the features are identical - the featurettes, the commentaries, the scripts.

You will have 2 main problems if you decide to purchase the discs in R2 format:

1. Is your TV multi-system? It's not a problem for the first three (fullscreen) seasons if your DVD player can convert PAL to NTSC, but when you get to the 4th season, when you convert the widescreen PAL image to NTSC, the image stretches to fill the screen - making everyone look like "the thin man." If you want to view the widescreen season 4 DVD episodes the way they were intended, you need a PAL or a multisystem TV, regardless of your player's capabilities.

2. The price. I buy them from Amazon UK. Roughly, the conversion rate charged by Citibank on my credit card is £1 = P76.00. So the second season on R2 would cost you about P5320. On R1, the same season would cost you just P2326 - half the price! Also remember, shipping from the UK costs significantly more than from the US.

You know, this is the first time I've done the math, and I think I just might wait for R1 for Season 5 - the price difference is WAY TOO MUCH!

ACID, you should have warned me!!!  ::)
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: gumby on Jun 18, 2002 at 04:49 PM
Hmmm...I didn't know PAL and NTSC applies to DVDs...how can I check it? I only have an LG DVD/CD-RW drive.

Why aren't these stuff released in R3? I mean aside from Buffy, other great R1 collections like the Sopranos, the X-Files and Sex & the City doesn't have R3 counterparts - why so?

A sidenote: last night's Buffy episode was great! I forgot Willow was the one who broke up Cordelia and Xander! Can't wait for the next episode, though, when we find out more (or the truth) about Glory (finally!).
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: utoy on Jun 18, 2002 at 05:47 PM
hi gumby.

the ntsc/pal labels are usually written on the disc or somewhere on the cover. if the disc is R2, it's usually PAL. R3 & R1s are ntscs.

i actually made the wrong announcement on my NEXT ON BUFFY post and i'm sorry if i caused anyone any inconvenience.

last night's episode was "Triangle" and is one funny ep. spike groping buffy. spike practicing peace-offering on a buffy mannequin. willow, anya bickering. hilarious stuff.
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: gumby on Jun 18, 2002 at 06:03 PM
Thanks for clearing that up for me, utoy!

Much as I liked yesterday's episode, my favorite of the current season (so far) is the one you mentioned - "Family". Tara was an outsider for so long that it was touching to see the scoobies (and Buffy) stand up for her.

My next favorite of the season is "No Place Like Home", where we were introduced to Glory and found out the truth about Dawn.

And I have to mention: the episode "Foor For Love" (where we learn the origin of Spike) ties neatly with the Angel episode "Darla"! Geez, the coordination and continuity of the two series are solid!
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: acidburn on Jun 19, 2002 at 10:18 PM


ACID, you should have warned me!!!  ::)


even if i did would you have listened?  ;)

Redmary: NY152, is my DVD guru. Someday I'm gonna be just like him.  ;D
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: NY152 on Jun 19, 2002 at 11:23 PM
You know, this is the first time I've done the math, and I think I just might wait for R1 for Season 5 - the price difference is WAY TOO MUCH!

ACID, you should have warned me!!!

even if i did would you have listened?  ;)

Good point. And HONESTLY, do you think there's a chance in Hell(mouth) that I'm actually going to wait for the Region 1 DVD of Season 5?  ::)

Redmary: NY152, is my DVD guru. Someday I'm gonna be just like him.

"Someday"? Did they change the definition of that word to "A few years ago?" ;)

Hey, why are you home with net access? HIT THOSE PATHO BOOKS!  :P
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: acidburn on Jun 19, 2002 at 11:38 PM


"Someday"? Did they change the definition of that word to "A few years ago?" ;)


Hey, why are you home with net access? HIT THOSE PATHO BOOKS!  :P

ok, change that to. "im in the process of becoming just like him...only a lot  sexier"  ;D mwa ha ha

oh and i did hit the patho books. Also stepped on them and threw them out the window.  ;D


EDITED TO ADD:

just found out some info regarding the US Season 2 DVDs. Apparently there were cuts in certain episodes. I'm not sure how many episodes in all were cut since i only have details for one of them which was "lie to me"

details as follows (cut parts in brackets):

First cut:
The scene is when Buffy sees her old friend, Ford, in school and she introduces him to Xander and Willow. Btw, I'm not using the whole scene. Just the immediate lines before and after the cut. I'll be doing this for the other cuts as well.

Ford: Dad got the transfer, and boom, he just dragged me outta Hemery and put me down here.
[Buffy: This is great! Well, I mean, it's hard, sudden move, all your friends, delicate time, very emotional, but let's talk about me! This is great.]
Willow: So, you two were sweeties in fifth grade?

Second cut:
The scene in the Bronze where Xander, Willow, and Ford are playing pool and Buffy meets up with them. She then heads for the bar and finds Angel there.

Buffy: Hi.
Angel: Hey! I was hoping you'd show.
[Buffy: You drink! I mean, drinks. Non-blood things.
Angel: There's a lot about me you don't know.
Buffy: I believe that.]
Willow: That's Angel.
Xander: He's Buffy's beau. Her special friend.

Third cut:
The scene is at the Sunset Club where Xander, Willow, and Angel are looking around and finding a bunch of vampire wannabees. Xander and Willow meet Chantarelle, Angel insults her, and then she leaves (but not before doing an extremely super-cute little pout).

Angel: I've seen enough. I've seen this type before. I mean, they're children making up bedtime stories of friendly vampires to comfort themselves in the dark.
Willow: Is that so bad? [I mean, the dark can get pretty dark. Sometimes you need a story.]
Angel: These people don't know anything about vampires. What they are, how they live, how they dress...

oh and for spike fans out there, the R2 season 4 DVD has a featurette called "Spike Me" which talks about the character's initial sociopathic origins to his transformation in the fourth season. Unfortunately, no naked spike (thank god! )since he only started taking his shirt off in season 5.

ok, that ends my marathon posting session for the week. off to study for the boards again.  :P
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: Holly Golightly on Jun 20, 2002 at 04:05 PM

oh and for spike fans out there, the R2 season 4 DVD has a featurette called "Spike Me" which talks about the character's initial sociopathic origins to his transformation in the fourth season. Unfortunately, no naked spike (thank god! )...



Hey! What does that mean? Naked Spike is a good thing! A delicious thing, as a matter of fact. :)
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: NY152 on Jun 20, 2002 at 04:46 PM
just found out some info regarding the US Season 2 DVDs. Apparently there were cuts in certain episodes. I'm not sure how many episodes in all were cut since i only have details for one of them which was "lie to me"

Not to worry, those who bought the US Season 2 DVDs.  It seemed weird to me that they'd remaster the DVDs for US release and cut some scenes, so I just checked my R2 discs, and the missing parts described are identical. So we've BOTH been gypped!

This is weird! I really have no idea why they'd delete stuff when pressing the DVDs, and the episode's run time is 42:56 - just a bit shorter than the conventional 44 minutes you'd expect for hour long television programs.
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: gumby on Jun 20, 2002 at 11:02 PM
 ;D Wag nyo ko pagtatawanan pero - I finally saw the first episode of Buffy! Just got the first season compilation today eh...

New viewers need to see (and know) the movie kasi hindi in-explain how she became a slayer pala. And Darla was there! And her first meeting with Angel - was it just me or the sexual tension was so apparent between the two characters?

Anyway, I plan to buy the second season compilation within the coming week - in the meantime, I'm gonna control myself to watch just 1 episode a day. Haven't watched the next episode (considering na bitin ang first) - tomorrow na lang ulit (but I can't wait  ;D)
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: kakabanas on Jun 21, 2002 at 04:10 AM

;D Wag nyo ko pagtatawanan pero - I finally saw the first episode of Buffy! Just got the first season compilation today eh...


HAHAHAHA  ;D ;D ;D

Oooops .. sorry.  ::) ::) ::)

8)
k
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: gumby on Jun 21, 2002 at 08:50 AM
Kakabanas ka talaga, kakabanas!  ;D

But dat's okey - happy naman ako  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: gumby on Jun 24, 2002 at 09:16 PM
Just saw the latest Buffy episode in Ch23 tonight! It's called "Checkpoint" and it featured the Watchers council coming to Sunnydale to evaluate Buffy and her friends.

This is now my second favorite episode of the current season, surpassed only by "Family" and followed by "No Place Like Home"! Grabe ang confidence ni Buffy in the end of the episode - and having Giles reinstated as her official watcher is a welcome surprise! And the cherry on top? The revelation of who Glory really is! Buffy's reaction was priceless!
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: NY152 on Jun 24, 2002 at 10:48 PM
Season Seven Update (Minor spoilers):

From SCIFI.COM (http://www.scifi.com):

Buffy Cast Teases New Eps

Cast members of UPN's Buffy the Vampire Slayer gave SCI FI Wire hints about where their characters will head in the upcoming seventh season, which starts in the fall. James Marsters (Spike), Michelle Trachtenberg (Dawn) and Alyson Hannigan (Willow) offered the details after a recent panel on the show at the Academy of Television Arts and Sciences in Los Angeles.

Hannigan said in an interview that she thinks Willow's greatest challenge will be "winning the fans' love back" after turning evil at the end of the season. "They probably hate me now," she said. "I just hope they forgive my evilness in the last few episodes." Hannigan said Willow's addiction to magic will remain an issue for the character. "Oh yeah, once you go that far, don't you deal with it for the rest of your life?" she asked. After Tara's tragic death, will Willow begin dating again? "Oh dear, I hope not," Hannigan said. "She's got to have time to recover." Hannigan confirmed that she will travel to London to film scenes for the season premiere. When asked if those scenes included Willow's reconciliation with Giles, whom she tried to kill in the season finale, the actress was vague. "I don't know. Hmm. What makes you think that?"

Marsters told SCI FI Wire that Spike will be a vampire with a soul, not a human, as speculated. But he added that he doesn't know if Spike will turn out to be good or evil. "I could be unleashed as the big villain, or I could be the big goody two-shoes crackerjack boy," he said. "I have no idea." But Spike's attempted rape of Buffy at the end of last season will cause a rift between him and Dawn.

"It will not be easy for Spike to come back," Trachtenberg said in an interview. "Of course there is that relationship, that foundation in there, so there is something there, and I think he is the one that Dawn has connected to the most, because he's never treated her like a child. For once, she'll handle the situation in an adult way, but she won't let him get away with it." Trachtenberg added that Dawn may fight more, as she kicked some butt in the season finale. "I know in the season finale Dawn tried to fight a little more," Trachtenberg said. "If their plan is [to add more fighting], I'm definitely looking forward to it. I've been promised heels next year, because Dawn has been wearing sneakers for the past year. So I'll have to take lessons in fighting in heels, but it's definitely something that will be fun." Dawn will also face teen dating issues. "I've heard a couple of rumors here and there that Dawn will have a couple guys coming in and out, but I don't know what other relationships we'll be building. I think that this is the year that Dawn matures and really comes into her own. She spent last year leveling the ground, and now she's able to conduct herself in a way that she has seen her sister in her more mature days."
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: gumby on Jun 25, 2002 at 08:00 AM
MINOR SPOILER:

Well, nice to know they're not cancelling the show - whew! I read somewhere that UPN was not happy with the show's ratings (though they were still above average) in their 6th season when it moved to their network.

There were also rumors that Joss Whedon wanted to end the series while they were still high in the ratings. Would the 7th season be their last one? Hope not!

I read somewhere that they gave Spike a soul - whoa! That one I was not expecting! Seems Drusilla's the only one who didn't get hers back - Angel, Darla and now Spike all had their souls restored to them.
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: utoy on Jun 25, 2002 at 10:07 AM
that was a spoiler gumby. try to hide the spoilery text by changing the font color. go see the spoiler thread for a detailed instructions on how to hide your texts.
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: gumby on Jun 25, 2002 at 10:18 AM
Uh ok...I'll check that out but...what part did I reveal that an earlier post didn't?  ???
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: NY152 on Jun 25, 2002 at 10:23 AM

Uh ok...I'll check that out but...what part did I reveal that an earlier post didn't?  ???


Nothing, but I marked my thread "MINOR SPOILER" on top, so people had the option to skip it entirely.

And from all indications, Season Seven will be the last. SMG isn't even willing to voice the cartoon, and said that at this present time, she's not interested in bringing the franchise back to the big screen.

If it's any consolation, there are rumors of a DAWN spin-off with some same characters to take its place...

For me, though, that's no consolation... Dawn bugs me big time!
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: gumby on Jun 25, 2002 at 10:30 AM
Well, I hated Dawn when she first appeared - she's not as beautiful as SMG to pass as her sister and she's whiny. However, as the season moved on, she kinda grew on me.

Sorry - I placed a MINOR SPOILER on top of my message. I'll check the spoilers link - thanks!  :)
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: gumby on Jun 26, 2002 at 03:50 AM
 ;D I just watched "The Pack" and "Angel" from season one - great writing! The twists of "The Pack" stumped me - one minute I thought I had the story figured out, the next - whoa!

The origin of Angel (or a hint of it) was both intriguing and touching - and I didn't know he dusted Darla! And that kiss at the end of the episode...I want my season 2 now!

My major gripe about season 1 is that Charisma Carpenter had such small (almost insignificant) roles in the majority of the episodes. Hope that improved in further seasons.
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: Holly Golightly on Jun 26, 2002 at 02:28 PM

;D I just watched "The Pack" and "Angel" from season one - great writing! The twists of "The Pack" stumped me - one minute I thought I had the story figured out, the next - whoa!

The origin of Angel (or a hint of it) was both intriguing and touching - and I didn't know he dusted Darla! And that kiss at the end of the episode...I want my season 2 now!

My major gripe about season 1 is that Charisma Carpenter had such small (almost insignificant) roles in the majority of the episodes. Hope that improved in further seasons.


Ah, The Pack is the reason I fell for Buffy, and fell hard. I thought I was watching another run-of-the-mill teen show and then Hyena!Xander looked up with this wicked, wicked look in his eyes. And then THEY ATE THE GODDAMNED PRINCIPAL! When a TV show makes you sit up and say "WTF?" more than a dozen times (in a good way), it's a keeper.

Charisma was pretty much bait in the early seasons. But she was FUN bait. :) And up until Spike came, she was always the most quotable. Also, Cordy may not have ALWAYS been there, but she was always surprising, wouldn't you say? She at least has the honor of being the most well-rounded bitch in TV history.
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: Holly Golightly on Jun 26, 2002 at 02:32 PM


Uh ok...I'll check that out but...what part did I reveal that an earlier post didn't?  ???


If it's any consolation, there are rumors of a DAWN spin-off with some same characters to take its place...

For me, though, that's no consolation... Dawn bugs me big time!


On the up-side, I don't think any of the principals said that they're interested in continuing. Nicky's said he's not signing on for S8. Emma said it was definitely her last season. And James, although playing safe in that cute-annoying way of his, pretty much said the same thing recently.

And poor Michelle Trachtenberg. Even she's apparently tired of Dawn.
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: gumby on Jun 26, 2002 at 02:59 PM
Well, in the few episodes of seasons 2 and 3 that I saw, I loved Cordy! She's the main reason that I watch "Angel" (sorry David)! She seems to have mellowed in "Angel" but when the bitch side of her shows up, it's always a hoot!

I hope the show lasts for two more seasons - they could inject new blood as new supporting characters! If Nicholas Brendon leaves, maybe a new male sidekick could replace him - how about Seth Green? His movie career seems to have stalled. Maybe Emma Caufield can be replaced by a new demonic (or angelic) character? Spike can be replaced by someone else - how about Drusilla? That'd be a blast!

If a show like M*A*S*H lasted for 11 years, I'm sure Buffy can manage to last longer (wishful thinking)!
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: kings5504 on Jun 26, 2002 at 03:42 PM

Ah, The Pack is the reason I fell for Buffy, and fell hard. I thought I was watching another run-of-the-mill teen show and then Hyena!Xander looked up with this wicked, wicked look in his eyes. And then THEY ATE THE GODDAMNED PRINCIPAL! When a TV show makes you sit up and say "WTF?" more than a dozen times (in a good way), it's a keeper.


same here...  it was "the pack" that got me hooked on this show!  ;D
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: Holly Golightly on Jun 26, 2002 at 05:22 PM
I hope the show lasts for two more seasons - they could inject new blood as new supporting characters! If Nicholas Brendon leaves, maybe a new male sidekick could replace him - how about Seth Green? His movie career seems to have stalled. Maybe Emma Caufield can be replaced by a new demonic (or angelic) character? Spike can be replaced by someone else - how about Drusilla? That'd be a blast!

Sweetie, NOBODY can replace James. :) Also, MASH lasted 11 years because Larry Gelbart never got distracted by trying to build an "empire", unlike some creators I know. (And Jesus, why hand it over to someone who obviously uses the show to save on therapy bills?)

Also, if you're a member read the archives at Pinoyslayer (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pinoyslayer/) for the rumor that may explain why Seth is NEVER coming back.

Long story short, I'm not watching Buffy without Sarah, James, Nicky or Aly. Heck, I'm not even sure I'm on board for S7. Just got disgusted by S6, y'know?

I have issues.
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: Holly Golightly on Jun 26, 2002 at 05:24 PM

same here...  it was "the pack" that got me hooked on this show!  ;D


[[[Hug!]]]
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: NY152 on Jun 26, 2002 at 09:10 PM
Just got disgusted by S6, y'know?

Which just proves you have good taste (See Page 1 of this thread, Reply #5, posted on June 14, 2002, 10:26:59 AM).   8)
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: gumby on Jun 26, 2002 at 10:10 PM
Geez - you guys are scaring me! Is S6 really that bad? Where do (or did) you guys see it? On cable or local TV? I'm on S5 (through Ch23 and Star World) and I'm finding it quite good! Well, Glory is no Angel or Faith but she's one mean bitch! And I like her sense of humor and style - sweet but sharp!

Well, okay Holly - no one can replace James (I love his acidic sarcasm while you obviously love something else about him :D)! But I still feel changing a few characters wouldn't hurt. When they changed a a couple of characters in M*A*S*H (especially Commander Blake with General Potter or Trapper John with B.J. Hunnicut), the show actually became better! Of course it's a double edged sword - when M*A*S*H lost Radar, well...the show kinda lost some of it's charm.

What I meant by comparing Buffy with M*A*S*H is that the latter show dealt with mainly one subject: war. Buffy extended it's scope from vampires to just about everything! Surely the writers of Buffy have a more wider plateau of ideas than the ones in M*A*S*H. But don't get me wrong - I love M*A*S*H - it's the reason I bought a VHS - to record all of its episodes from cable!

Oh and Holly - thanks for the Pinoyslayers link - you are a "dahling" (said in Audrey Hepburn-like accent)  ;D
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: NY152 on Jun 27, 2002 at 12:57 AM

Geez - you guys are scaring me! Is S6 really that bad?


Like I said, the problem with S6 is it's lacking the "Joss Whedon humor" that's the trademark of the show. No witty one-liners. No comedy relief. As a result, the entire season plays too heavy, and doesn't quite feel like "Buffy" should. Yes, I blame the same person Holly does.

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Where do (or did) you guys see it? On cable or local TV?


On the internet.  ::)

But when season 5 is done, you may want to get in touch with me if you can't wait. I have the first 11 episodes on VHS. Yes, taped from UPN's broadcast, not transferred to tape from AVI/MPG files.
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: gumby on Jun 27, 2002 at 08:24 AM
Hmm...that's bad NY152 - I hope Joss returns for S7. Is he still busy with that new series of his - Firefly is it? Anyone seen it to tell me if it's worth the departure from Buffy?

What do you mean by "on the internet"? You watch the episodes by stream or read about it in full detail? I did some advance reading on S5 and S6 but I'll wait until I watch the episodes before I throw in my two cents - but don't you guys throw rotten tomatoes at me if I happen to like S6!  I'm quite easy to please...  ;D

Thanks for the offer NY152 - I'll get in touch with you if I can't wait. But to be honest, with what I've read on S5 so far, I can't wait already for the upcoming episodes! Geez, Buffy the poor gal - Joss really made this season epic IMHO.
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: Holly Golightly on Jun 27, 2002 at 11:04 AM

Oh and Holly - thanks for the Pinoyslayers link - you are a "dahling" (said in Audrey Hepburn-like accent)  ;D


Darling! You joined! <<tacklehug>> :)
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: gumby on Jun 27, 2002 at 11:19 AM
Yep - thanks Holly!
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: NY152 on Jun 27, 2002 at 03:44 PM
Is he still busy with that new series of his - Firefly is it? Anyone seen it to tell me if it's worth the departure from Buffy?

Well, from what I heard (from acidburn!), he spent $10M on the pilot, and it sucked so bad that it's almost completely unusable, and they have to reshoot a new one.

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What do you mean by "on the internet"? You watch the episodes by stream or read about it in full detail?

I never read spoiler boards or read detailed episode summaries - sayang lang! I watch the full episodes usually on the same day that they air in the States. If you have broadband internet access, that's very easy to learn to do...   8)
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: gumby on Jun 27, 2002 at 04:09 PM
Unfortunately, I can't watch streaming videos at home because my internet access is not that fast - and I can't watch it at the office or my boss will fire me. I guess I'll just wait for the episodes to be shown on Ch23 or Star World. Thanks NY152!
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: Holly Golightly on Jun 27, 2002 at 05:21 PM


Is he still busy with that new series of his - Firefly is it? Anyone seen it to tell me if it's worth the departure from Buffy?


Well, from what I heard (from acidburn!), he spent $10M on the pilot, and it sucked so bad that it's almost completely unusable, and they have to reshoot a new one.


Here's the poop from Wanda, whom I ordinarily denigrate. But this time I agree with her, so...

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From weir0013: Do you have any info on Joss Whedon's new show, Firefly?

Did you see this week's TV Scoop? I remain ever faithful--I'd take Joss Whedon's "pig-in-poo" droppings over any other Fox "hit" any day. But there are definitely some problems over there in Firefly land. One camp insists the pilot is being retooled only because Fox loved it so much they wanted to add an extra episode before the original pilot, to give a little more background info. Another camp says the Fox higher-ups hated the pilot and are making Whedon completely retool it . The Friday time slot is hardly a show of faith, so I'm inclined to believe the latter.
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: acidburn on Jun 29, 2002 at 10:45 AM

MINOR SPOILER:

There were also rumors that Joss Whedon wanted to end the series while they were still high in the ratings. Would the 7th season be their last one? Hope not!



he should have ended it at the end of S5 then  ::)

just ditto-ing what everyone else said about season 6 and how much it kinda sucked (pun intended) .

They're saying season 7 will be better but i'm trying not to get my hopes up. Joss wjedon is directing and writing the season opener though so that could be a good thing.

Re: FIREFLY

yup it's in big trouble. Not only are dark angels fans outraged that it got their show cancelled, Lots of scifi fans don't think it's worth watching especially since it's gonna air opposite farscape.

was browsing the boards on TWOP and found these two spoofs of the firely ads that i found really funny:


http://members.aol.com/fragilespiral/fireflyspoof.jpg

http://www.ugcs.caltech.edu/~andrewc/pics/serenity_ad.jpg

btw, found this marketing blurb that UPN released



By now, everyone knows Buffy-a single, working woman who raises her sister by day and battles demons by night. She is the Slayer, destined to defend humanity against demons, vampires and the forces of darkness. Buffy's days of slaying are far from over, as the fight continues this season.


With SMG leading a remarkably talented and attractive cast, the second season of BTVS on UPN will continue to dominate its time period as the place for young adults as the story heats up and her future is rocked. Everything she ever wanted but never knew she did. Tuesday nights watch this season. TURN IT UP.


so "a single, working woman who raises her sister by day " and who has "Everything she ever wanted but never knew she did." Sure sounds like they're trying to get the Gilmore Girls audience back.  ::)

sorry, feeling snarky about the show today.
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: gumby on Jun 29, 2002 at 12:38 PM
By the way, guys - when will the seventh season of Buffy air?

Also, almost everyone hated season 6 because it was dark and all but...isn't season 5 also a bit dark and depressing? I mean reading ahead from various websites, Buffy's being put through (or has been put through) the wringer in S5!

In last Thursday's episode ("Listening To Fear") in Star World, Buffy's mom is delusional from the tumor in her brain - it was absolutely heartbreaking to see Buffy just break down in tears while doing the dishes. But having someone close who has a brain tumor, it was a reaction that I can really relate to. I was actually waiting for her to break down since she barely had time to cry when she first found out about her mother's condition.
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: NY152 on Jun 29, 2002 at 01:06 PM
isn't season 5 also a bit dark and depressing?

If you find Season Five dark and depressing...  :o

Like I said, in the past, when storylines were serious, there was "Joss Whedon humor" that kept it from being too depressing, and would lighten up the mood at appropriate times. That's CLEARLY missing in S6, so it's just a major downer 24/7 on the show, save for one episode of the season.
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: acidburn on Jun 29, 2002 at 01:31 PM
actually two.... The musical and the one after that.  ;D
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: gumby on Jun 29, 2002 at 05:20 PM
I just bought the 2001 year ender of Cinescape magazine from the backissue bins and saw an interesting quote from Sarah Michelle Gellar:

"I will stay on Buffy if, and only if, Buffy stays on the WB. And you know what? Print that. My bosses are going to kill me, but print that. I want them to know...the WB has been so supportive, such a great network over the past four years. It feels like home. I don't want the show to move, because I feel that we belong on the WB. It's where our fans are. If Buffy leaves the WB, I'm out."

Interesting. ;D

Also, in the same magazine, UPN initially ordered 2 seasons of Buffy of 22 episodes each. They are paying $2.33M per episode, as opposed to WB's $1.6M.

The magazine also reviewed other shows like Charmed and the X-Files, but Buffy was the first they reviewed (and the reviews were not alphabetical). They gave S5 high marks...do you guys want me to list down how they rated each episode?  
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: NY152 on Jun 29, 2002 at 05:39 PM
I (...saw) an interesting quote from Sarah Michelle Gellar:

"I will stay on Buffy if, and only if, Buffy stays on the WB. And you know what? Print that. My bosses are going to kill me, but print that. I want them to know...the WB has been so supportive, such a great network over the past four years. It feels like home. I don't want the show to move, because I feel that we belong on the WB. It's where our fans are. If Buffy leaves the WB, I'm out."

She "retracted" that statement within 24 hours, saying what she actually meant was "If Joss Whedon leaves Buffy, I'm out." Of course, this was after 20th Century Fox reminded her that she was contractually bound to the show until Season 7 regardless of which network the show was on, implying that they'd probably sue her ass off if she left.

Still hoping to go beyond Season 7, gumby?  ::)
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: gumby on Jun 29, 2002 at 06:09 PM
NY152 you're scaring me  :P - you're making me think that Buffy's S6 is like the Ishtar of the series!

But in any case, I'll probably stick around until the last episode of the series is shown. I'm in for the long haul - good or bad.
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: kings5504 on Jun 29, 2002 at 11:36 PM

I'm in for the long haul - good or bad.


I remembered saying the same thing about the X-Files...

...until season 6, that is...  ;D
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: NY152 on Jun 30, 2002 at 01:19 AM

I'm in for the long haul - good or bad.


Same here, and I can say that even if Season Seven turns out to be 22 hour remake of Howard The Duck with Buffy as The Duck, I'll still definitely buy the DVD when it comes out, for "completion" sake.

I've done worse... I actually bought Speed 2: Cruise Control for that very same reason!  ;D
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: acidburn on Jun 30, 2002 at 05:58 AM
well, i'm in the same boat as everyone else I guess. Still hopelessly addicted inspite of everything and will still probably be up all night downlaoding every single episode.  ALthough, I probably won't be as much of a spoiler whore as before which would probably be a good thing.  ;D

NY: You actually bought SPEED 2 for completion? you definitely have OCD. It's the only explanation.  ;)

p.s. OT but  i just discovered that the west wing season 1-3 is on kazaa. must. not. download.
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: gumby on Jun 30, 2002 at 10:00 AM
I just saw two season 1 episodes last night: "The Puppet Show" and "Out Of Mind, Out Of Sight".

"The Puppet Show" really threw me for a loop - the freaky dummy turned out to be the good guy? This is one "whoa" of an episode! And it was nice to hear Cordelia sing - or should I say "it was nice to see Cordelia sing?"

"Out Of Mind, Out Of Sight" finally (FINALLY) featured Cordelia in the spotlight! It was nice to learn that the ice queen bitch isn't really that cold or cruel; still, her lines made me laughing out loud! The ending was a letdown though.
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: gumby on Jul 01, 2002 at 12:23 PM
Ooookay...I just finished watching all the season 1 episodes and here's what I thought:

Best episode: Angel
Runners up: The Pack and Out Of Sight, Out Of Mind

A lot of you guys loved The Pack, and I did too, but I guess the Angel-Buffy drama just got to me (the cross burned on Angel was an excellent idea!). Cordelia's spotlight in Out Of Sight, Out Of Mind was looong overdue but I thought the ending just wasn't right.

***

Best villain: Xander
Runner up: Darla

Although The Master was the season's perennial villain, the possessed Xander gave me the willies! Darla was a good one too, with her schoolgirl outfit (tee hee) and coy attitude - too bad she got dusted.

***

Best twist: The Puppet Show
Runner up: The Witch

The Puppet Show threw me for a loop - the dummy's the good guy? I didn't see that one coming!

***

In closing, I guess season 1 was a great start for the series. It had the main ingredient of success - good writing. The twists and the characterization were all unexpected and welcome - plus the humor wasn't corny or contrived.

I can't wait to get my season 2 soon! Anyone selling theirs? Current prices range from P3000 to P3400 - too high!  ;D
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: Holly Golightly on Jul 01, 2002 at 04:47 PM
isn't season 5 also a bit dark and depressing?

If you find Season Five dark and depressing...  :o

Like I said, in the past, when storylines were serious, there was "Joss Whedon humor" that kept it from being too depressing, and would lighten up the mood at appropriate times. That's CLEARLY missing in S6, so it's just a major downer 24/7 on the show, save for one episode of the season.

See, I don't mind the loss of humor. Season 2 was Grand Guignol, but it had RL resonance, which was sadly lacking in S6. [color=#DDDDD]Unless you were unrepentantly in the habit of sexually abusing the only guy who was devoted to helping you and saving your life, that is. No? How about if you were marrying an ex-demon whom you patronized at every opportunity. Still no. How about the water-chugging crack ho audience? Well, that's three for NOTHING that S6 represents. [/color] Plus it was ineptly made and contradicted itself CONSTANTLY. [color=#DDDDD]Wrecked, Doublemeat Palace and specially As You Were being the worst offenders of the lot. Umiinit ulo ko kapag naaalala ko ang As You Were. Sexist pa yang punyetang episode na yan.[/color] Plus what humor there was was LAME. [color=#DDDDD] Apart from Tabula Rasa. Die Xander Die. Die Buffy Die. Long Live Clem! [/color]

Acidburn was right - they should have quit after Season 5, which is my second-favorite of the lot.

I haven't posted in a while, tapos rant pa yung sinulat ko. Horrible manners, Holly. <spank>
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: gumby on Jul 01, 2002 at 06:16 PM
That's okay, Holly - but between you and NY152, I'm really REALLY scared now for S6!

S5 your second favorite? Good thing I jumped on board in this season - I'm enjoying it a lot too! Aside from Buffy, I'm liking Glory a lot - her humor reminds me of Cordelia - in an evil sort of way. Let me guess - S2's your favorite?

I read somewhere today that the seventh season of Buffy will debut in the fall (which is probably around October, right?). Joss Whedon's new series Firefly will also debut in the fall - does this mean Joss is still out on S7? Should I be afraid of S7 as well?

How are you guys finding Angel by the way? No "S6" rants about it?  ;D
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: gumby on Jul 01, 2002 at 09:29 PM
Just saw Blood Ties at Ch23 tonight - whew! What an episode!

I read in some message boards that a lot of fans hated Dawn when she first appeared, reasoning that the addition of a younger sibling would prove to be the protagonist's achilles heel. Well, I liked Dawn the first time I saw her (which was in No Place Like Home actually) and I think Michelle did justice to the character. Sure she can be annoying but that's how younger sisters act sometimes.

Dawn was once again spotlighted in tonight's episode, and the emotions she showed was so real, I couldn't help but really feel for her. The scene where she tore her diaries - ouch!

Then came the action at the end of the episode - this is the first time I saw the gang really team up (remember, I haven't seen the majority of the episodes). Even the powerless Giles and Xander had a hand - and I didn't know Willow had that kind of power. I cheered at the fight scene and laughed at what happened to Glory!

I think, instead of Dawn being the foil to Buffy's character, she became the focus of her responsibilities. What do you guys think?
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: NY152 on Jul 01, 2002 at 11:45 PM

Well, I liked Dawn the first time I saw her... Dawn was once again spotlighted in tonight's episode, and the emotions she showed was so real, I couldn't help but really feel for her. The scene where she tore her diaries - ouch!


I take it this is the first time you've heard her scream that trademark, annoyingly high-pitched "GETOUTGETOUTGETOUT!!!" Tell me you still like her when she still does that on a regular basis over a year later.

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How are you guys finding Angel by the way? No "S6" rants about it?


I do not watch Angel. Tried it for half a season, and decided it wasn't for me. I have watched all the cross-over episodes, though, but now that cross-overs are no longer possible, I see no need to put myself through the mess that is Angel. Now if only we could kill Anya and bring Cordy back to Buffy...  8)
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: gumby on Jul 02, 2002 at 04:06 AM
You have a point NY152 - I wouldn't want Dawn to scream like that every episode - and thank God she doesn't...uh wait...does she do it frequently in S6? If so... :-X

I like Anyanka but I see your point - I do want Cordelia back in Buffy too... :(
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: Holly Golightly on Jul 02, 2002 at 11:51 AM


I take it this is the first time you've heard her scream that trademark, annoyingly high-pitched "GETOUTGETOUTGETOUT!!!" Tell me you still like her when she still does that on a regular basis over a year later.


<chortle>

gumby I LOVE Blood Ties. I went on and on na at Pinoyslayer (you probably received the email) but the thing is that it's such an ingenious metaphor for adoption. Plus, the Dawn-Spike friendship is a riot, because they're both kids, emotionally. "Who's bad now?" Ngyark. Plus, thank God, Spike finally pushed Buffy out of the House of Memememe funk she's been in. It's not all about you, bïtch.

Seriously, despite all the stupid things she did (why on Earth did she disclose such delicate - not to mention otherworldly - information to Fugly Intern Ben?) the central image is still her standing, arms akimbo, with bleeding wrists, asking, "Is this blood?" So you can forgive, and understand.

You notice every episode after Riley left got better? It's funny how apart from Buffy and Xander (ahem. And I've got a theory about that) nobody really misses him.
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: gumby on Jul 02, 2002 at 01:31 PM
Although I never liked the Riley Finn character of Marc Blucas, I do miss the guy. His story is even sadder than what Angel and Buffy had, don't you think? At least Buffy reciprocated Angel's feelings - Riley gave it his all and still it wasn't enough.

I have a question that has been nagging me since I fell into the Buffyverse - why did Joss choose the name "Buffy"? I couldn't find it anywhere - it sure doesn't sound like an intimidating (for a vampire slayer) nor does it sound serious too. Does it stand for something else or is it just "Buffy Anne Summers"?
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: NY152 on Jul 02, 2002 at 05:32 PM

why did Joss choose the name "Buffy"? I couldn't find it anywhere - it sure doesn't sound like an intimidating (for a vampire slayer) nor does it sound serious too.


I never saw a direct reference to the choice of the name "Buffy" in particular, but I'm guessing the name just went well with his entire ironic concept of "the helpless blonde cheerleader-type who always gets killed in horror movies finally gets her revenge."

Listen to your commentary track/watch your DVD featurettes, gumby!  8)

P.S. - how's pokey?
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: gumby on Jul 02, 2002 at 11:36 PM
I did watch my DVD featurettes, NY152, and I do know about Joss Whedon's concept for the show ("the helpless blonde cheerleader blah blah blah") but he never did tell the origin of the name "Buffy".

Just wondering...that's all  :P

Uh...is the pokey question for me? Uh...who's pokey?
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: NY152 on Jul 03, 2002 at 12:16 AM

Uh...is the pokey question for me? Uh...who's pokey?


Pokey is Gumby's horse.

(http://www.gumbyworld.com/memorylane/pokey.gif)

Image of Pokey courtesy of Gumbyworld (http://www.gumbyworld.com/)

You must be a different Gumby.   ;D
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: gumby on Jul 03, 2002 at 08:27 AM
So that's the red horse's name - I didn't know that! Actually, my "gumby" alias was actually derived from the X-Men's Gambit character. Far fetched, you say? Well, my friends and I were thinking of names to call ourselves based on the X-Men characters and I came up with "gumby", a derivative (or should I say bastardization) of Gambit.

My friends chose the names Johnny Black (from Jean Grey), Vogue (from Rogue), Tangerine (from Wolverine), Bicyclops (from Cyclops) and Jollibee (from Jubilee).

As you can see, I got the best name of all! ;D

Now if Joss could just explain why he chose the name "Buffy"...
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: Holly Golightly on Jul 03, 2002 at 11:46 AM

Now if Joss could just explain why he chose the name "Buffy"...


Y'know, I've been wondering that myself. Specially now that everything's gotten so dramatic. I mean, there's Joyce with a brain tumor in the hospital, saying "My sweet, brave Buffy." I get yanked out of the moment talaga, because what kind of name is Buffy, anyway?

(Brainflash to the Season 4 ep "Something Blue" where an engaged Spike and Buffy talk about their wedding invitations <paraphrasing>:

B: So, are we going to use William the Bloody or just Spike? Cause either way it's going to look majorly weird.

S: Whereas the name "Buffy" gives it that touch of classic elegance.

B: What's wrong with "Buffy"?

Giles <blinded and horrified at the smoochy Spuffy>: SUUUCH a good question.

B: My mother gave me that name.

S: Your mother. Yeah, she's a genius. :) )

That said, pinakabagay sa kanya yung name nung season 1.

Re Riley the Useless: That's because you started in Season 5, when he seemed less contrived and more three-dimensional. I have written about this at length in my review of Out of My Mind at the Pinoyslayer TabRas board, if you'd care to see it. <Welcome to Holly Golightly's House of Mememememe>
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: gumby on Jul 04, 2002 at 05:17 PM
 ;D Don't ask me how or where but I finally saw the season finales of S5 and S6!  ;D I am a happy camper!

The season finale of S6 is quite good! I wonder how they will resolve things in S7...
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: NY152 on Jul 04, 2002 at 05:29 PM

Don't ask me how or where but I finally saw the season finales of S5 and S6!  ;D I am a happy camper!


Lemme get this straight... you're happy to see the season finales without seeing the rest of the season???

Hmm... we have a very different way of watching a show. No matter how badly I was waiting for the musical episode, the day I got my hands on a copy, I STILL waited and finished watching the other 4 episodes I hadn't seen that came before it.

Discipline!  ::)
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: gumby on Jul 04, 2002 at 05:40 PM
Uh...I didn't say I didn't watch the episodes prior to the season finales NY152...  ;D

I just emphasized on the finales because they are (arguably) the best parts of the season.

I think S6 is okay - not at par with S5 definitely - but it didn't stink as much as the last season of, let's say, Melrose Place.
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: NY152 on Jul 04, 2002 at 05:52 PM
Uh...I didn't say I didn't watch the episodes prior to the season finales NY152...  ;D

Oh my God! You watched ONE AND A HALF SEASONS in TWO DAYS???  :o

SPOILER ALERT:

I disagree with the Season Finale of S6 being "quite good", though. Saved by "I love you"??? I found that completely lame!
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: gumby on Jul 04, 2002 at 05:59 PM
Ok - I didn't say I watched the entire sixth season ;D just those prior to the finales.

Since I've already seen half of S5, I did watch the rest of the season. All I can say is "sniff" - uh...that's not a spoiler, is it?

As for season 6, I skipped through the episodes and IMHO the only pertinent ones to watch are those near the actual finale. I mean, I got the story just by watching the 4 episodes prior to the finale.

My head hurt NY152  :-[ ...from the slew of episodes I had to watch AND the loss of Joss on the sixth (y'know what i mean)...

As for your spoiler...well, you have a point but I'm a sucker for those kinds of endings. Might not be in sync with the Buffy myth but...y'know...
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: Holly Golightly on Jul 04, 2002 at 06:13 PM
Uh...I didn't say I didn't watch the episodes prior to the season finales NY152...  ;D

Oh my God! You watched ONE AND A HALF SEASONS in TWO DAYS???  :o

SPOILER ALERT:

[color=#DDDDD]I disagree with the Season Finale of S6 ...[/color]

Thank you! I thought I was the only one that thought that! Not to get too spoilery, but hello, copout! I hosted a Buffython last month for the Pinoyslayers, and everyone was pissed off at it as well. Siguro osmosis, because I was very vocal about my annoyance at everything prior, during and after those episodes. ***[color=#DDDDD]Yellow crayon my ass.  The season should have ended with Smashed. Dead Things at the most.[/color]***

And OMG, gumby! How's your head? Buti hindi ka naduling. :)
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: gumby on Jul 04, 2002 at 07:19 PM
Well, for starters Holly - duling na ako  ;D! Well, hindi naman but I do wear glasses...

And I just watched oh about twelve episodes in three days (Tuesday, Wednesday and today) so it wasn't so bad. As I said, I skipped on most of the season six episodes and concentrated on the finale instead. Once I get to see all of them, however, I'll let you guys know.

Well, okay I agree that it was a copout - however, aside from the ending, I was excited about the rest! I guess I'm in the minority but...oh well...

Hey, when's the next Buffython? What does it entail?  :)
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: gumby on Jul 04, 2002 at 10:23 PM
Just saw "Into The Woods" for the second time at Star World tonight (the first was at Ch23, of course). Feel so sorry for Riley...he really did love Buffy, didn't he?

Anyway, since Star World's nearing the mid-season mark, I just thought I'd share how Cinescape rated  episodes 1 to 11:

Buffy vs. Dracula - B
Real Me - C minus
The Replacement - C plus
Out Of My Mind - B minus
No Place Like Home - B
Family - A minus
A Fool For Love - A minus
Shadow - B
Listening To Fear - A minus
Into the Woods - A minus
Triangle - D minus

I generally agree with the ratings since I loved "Family" and "A Fool For Love" but I wished they gave "No Place Like Home" a higher mark (c'mon, it was the revelation of Dawn!).

;D
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: Holly Golightly on Jul 05, 2002 at 05:24 PM
Well, okay I agree that it was a copout - however, aside from the ending, I was excited about the rest! I guess I'm in the minority but...oh well...

Hey, when's the next Buffython? What does it entail?  :)

Blood sacrifice. Bwahahahahaha.

Kidding. All it entails is a bit of preparation on my end - I have to get my family out of the house para walang istorbo. Unless you can volunteer a larger space. :) Cause my house is tiny.  

We're not psychos (honest! I've had 15 of us at my house and everything) and I can bring my DVDs AND my DVD player.

Also, re the season 6 wrapup - You are in a divided majority. It got good reviews. But I think NY 152 and I share a brain about this. We expected better siguro. And <spoiler> [color=#DDDDD]it really WAS a copout, y'know.[/color]<end spoiler>
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: acidburn on Jul 05, 2002 at 11:59 PM
it's nice to know that even if i'm not around to post as much, Holly will be there to say everything i ever wanted to say since we apparently share the same opinion about the show (except for spike  ;)
)

i definitely agree season 6 finale was such a cop out!

The only highlights for me in the finale were -->spoiler seeing Giles come back and be all yoda like and seeing willow kick buffy's whiny ass six ways to sunday!<--Spoiler


Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: gumby on Jul 06, 2002 at 02:03 PM
Well...what do you guys think should've happened with the season 6 finale? How should the story have ended?

I think it's safe to assume that everyone's favorite season finale here is season 2's? If I'm wrong, what are your top three?

I haven't seen the season finales of season 3 and 4 but for me, the first would be season 2, followed by season 5, and then season 6.
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: acidburn on Jul 06, 2002 at 04:57 PM
Over all my ratings for finales from best to worst would be 2-5/3-4-6. I would much rather take restless and primeval (which i think was the real finale) over season 6. Even season 4 which i used to loathe is starting to look better than season 6. I would take season 4's boring arc with good stand alone eps to season 6's soap opera any day.

my favorite season over all is season 3. It had a good arc and good stand-alones and the finale wasn't too bad (plus y'know, there was Faith). However, season 2 had the best arc in my opinion and a great finale. It just had a couple of clunky episodes that  i could have done without.

I would love to give my opinion on how to end season 6 but to fix it, i would have to change alot of season 6 as well. The way the season went just didn't gel with the supposed theme of "Growing up".

ok, babble over

edited to add something interesting about the "why did joss choes the name buffy question".  I just searched some baby name sites (obsesseive much?  ;) )and got these results.

www.parenthood.com/parent...ynames.cfm

Buffy / Female / Form of BUNNY. Little Rabbit

www.babynamelocator.com/

Buffy / female / Hebrew / God's promise

www.babycenter.com/babyname/

Buffy / Female / Form of BEVERLY - beaver meadow

www.babynamer.com/

Buffy / This girl's name is used in English. It is a nickname of Elizabeth.

THe last one is interesting because in an earlier episode (i think season 1) they had buffy's complete name as Elizabeth Anne Summers. Buffy would then naturally be a nickname for her and goes well with the hwole airhead cheerleader bit. I just have no idea why the changed her real name to Buffy Anne Summers in the latter seasons.
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: gumby on Jul 06, 2002 at 05:35 PM
I think I should watch my season 1 episodes again, just to check if her name is indeed Elisabeth, acidburn. If not, maybe it's in the other seasons. Thanks for that info though.

I can't remember if I've watched any episode in season 3. I mean definitely in seasons 2 and 4, but I don't think I've seen Faith in action. I know I know - I missed a lot - so I'm glad that season's being released this winter.
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: NY152 on Jul 06, 2002 at 06:22 PM
THe last one is interesting because in an earlier episode (i think season 1) they had buffy's complete name as Elizabeth Anne Summers.

I actually don't remember that. I DO remember that in an early episode (I, Robot... You, Jane) they flashed her name on a PC as "Buffy Summers", and flashed her birthday (10/24/80), which is several months before the now traditionally-celebrated midseason episode, which airs sometime every year in January.
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: acidburn on Jul 06, 2002 at 11:06 PM
well, i just realized  i'm mistaken. I did some surfing and  "Elizabeth Anne Summers" thing was from either an Urban legend or really innacurate Fan fic.  ;D

It's been Buffy Anne Summers Since day one apparently.

edited to add that PEOPLE news interviewed SMG and she denied the Britney rumors.  YAAY!

Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: Holly Golightly on Jul 12, 2002 at 12:56 PM
Goddamnit. I just got the first batch of spoilers and I'm not happy. I think I will stay true to my boycott. S7 is giving off sucky vibes and it hasn't even started yet. :(
</end rant>

acidburn - You were the victim of what my people know as the fanwank. :) And no, Angel's real name is not Liam O'Connor, and Spike's real name isn't William Walthrop.
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: gumby on Jul 12, 2002 at 02:51 PM
Uh...what are the spoilers, Holly? If it's too much for this thread, can you PM them to me? Thanks :D
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: acidburn on Jul 12, 2002 at 04:32 PM
just a quick drive by.... beware spoilery for season 6

UGH! just read some of the fan reports from the Toronto Comic Con where Amber Benson was a guest. Apparently she's known that her character was gonna die for the past two years. Crap. I'm disappointed at Joss and the rest of ME.Also she hasn't watched the end of season six from villains  until the end 'cause she thought it was too violent. She's disappointed that her character died the way she did and she's now afraid of standing beside 2nd floor windows  ;D. Also it looks like her character isn't going to be back for the earlier episodes since she's currently on a road trip accorss the east coast.
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: Holly Golightly on Jul 12, 2002 at 05:04 PM

Uh...what are the spoilers, Holly? If it's too much for this thread, can you PM them to me? Thanks :D


Emailed it na!
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: gumby on Jul 13, 2002 at 12:40 PM
Thanks Holly!

I saw the episode Triangle at Star World last Thursday. I didn't hate it but I didn't like it either.

The good points:

a. Willow and Anya fighting over Xander - I felt that, given the history of Willow and Xander, it is in Anya's character to be jealous of that history. Mix that with her "innocence" and "tactlessness", I guess it was a long time coming.

b. Buffy and Dawn's talk over Riley. Dawn was perhaps the only character (well, probably aside from Xander) that was close to Riley and I was glad she missed him.

The bad points:

a. While it was good to see a troll in the show, it kinda felt...weird y'know?

b. Buffy in a convent considering to be a nun, Buffy breaking down with Tara, Buffy panicking over the troll's comments over Xander and Anya - where did that come from? The seriousness of Buffy and Dawn's talk was almost obliterated by these! The scenes were almost silly!

Oh well...Checkpoint is up next! :D
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: pagan on Jul 14, 2002 at 08:02 PM
"Crush" tomorrow night on Studio 23!

I can't wait.  And Holly says the promos are cute.  I haven't seen it but I hope to tonight because I'm watching "Will and Grace" and "The $treet".
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: acidburn on Jul 15, 2002 at 05:10 AM
oh hey! just finally caught up with my buffy news.

spoiler-->YAAY! more Anthony Stewart Head in Season 7! wooo hoo! oh and james marsters is losing the blond hair. otherwise, from the spoilers, the season doesn't sound terribly exciting to me.  ::)

and for people who like posters, they're actually selling the poster they made for the musical. cool!

http://www.allposters.com/gallery.asp?aid=908269&item=309193

i wanna get me one.

p.s. They just announced when the season will start airing --> Sept.24, 2002.  
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: gumby on Jul 15, 2002 at 04:55 PM
MINOR SPOILER



Thanks acidburn - been wondering when's S7 gonna be shown.

I've seen about 3/4s of S6 during the long weekend and I think it's okay. Yes, it's dark and depressing but considering the circumstances, I guess it's appropriate. As acidburn quoted below:

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The way the season went just didn't gel with the supposed theme of "Growing up".


I don't think "growing up" was the theme of S6 - I think it was "what the heck happened to us and how do we deal with it." The storylines might be confusing and the characters might be a bit lost but I think S6 is an echo of what happened in the previous season.
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: Holly Golightly on Jul 16, 2002 at 02:25 PM
Spoilers for Buffy Season 7 here: http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/art-main.html?2002-07/15/14.00.tv (http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/art-main.html?2002-07/15/14.00.tv)
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: gumby on Jul 16, 2002 at 03:48 PM
Thanks for the spoilers, Holly - I am now officially excited about season 7! Based on the spoilers, I have a feeling S7 will be competing with S2 as the series' greatest season! However, I hope that's not because S7 will be the series' last (as rumors indicate) :(

I do hope Sarah Michelle Gellar and Emma Caufield would renew their contracts after S7. Or if Sarah doesn't, I hope the series would still continue (probably renamed) with a certain dark-haired slayer as the lead this time... :)
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: Holly Golightly on Jul 16, 2002 at 05:08 PM

Or if Sarah doesn't, I hope the series would still continue (probably renamed) with a certain dark-haired slayer as the lead this time... :)


I hope you mean Faith and not :eek: Dawn. :)
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: gumby on Jul 16, 2002 at 06:11 PM
Well, as hinted in the spoiler, they're planning to bring back Faith (or rather WANT to bring her back) for season 7. And I, for one, say YEA! In the handful of episodes I saw Eliza in, I immediately fell in love with her!

Now, hopefully, if Sarah doesn't renew her contract for S8,  I wouldn't mind watching Faith, the Vampire Slayer.
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: X-®an™ on Jul 16, 2002 at 09:37 PM
 ::) Count me in for Season 1 of Faith, the Vampire Slayer  ;D


8) X-Ran 269 8)
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: gumby on Jul 16, 2002 at 10:31 PM
I wonder why Faith only lasted one season in the series - anyone knows? Or Drusilla - why only one season? I mean Spike came back and became a regular, why not Faith or Dru?

And what about Oz - why can't he ever return to the series?
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: kings5504 on Jul 16, 2002 at 10:39 PM
An ongoing Faith: The Vampire Slayer series?

Excuse me while I wipe the drool off my mouth...   ;D
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: gumby on Jul 16, 2002 at 10:50 PM
Uh...before this gets out of hand, lemme make one thing clear: there is no Faith series being planned! Joss Whedon wants to have Eliza Dushku back for season 7, but everything's under negotiation pa.

Actually, rumor has it that if Sarah doesn't renew her contract for season 8, they might still continue the series. Joss says that they have a rich history in the Buffyverse on which to draw the Sarah-less series on. Hopefully, and I'm apparently not alone in this, it would be a Faith series.

Maybe if enough of us dream it, it will come true...
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: kings5504 on Jul 16, 2002 at 11:17 PM
Uh...before this gets out of hand, lemme make one thing clear: there is no Faith series being planned!

but i'm sure there's no harm in fantasizing about it...  :)  geez, why can't i stop drooling just thinking about it?  hehehe...  ;D

Maybe if enough of us dream it, it will come true...

Hmm....  reminds me of an old issue of "Sandman" by Neil Gaiman...  :)  Count me in...  I'll make sure that i'm dreaming of this baby when I go to bed tonight...  ;D
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: gumby on Jul 17, 2002 at 09:56 AM

Hmm....  reminds me of an old issue of "Sandman" by Neil Gaiman...  :)  


You're right, kings5504 - that was from the Sandman issue featuring the cats and their supposed history. Can't remember the title though, but it was a great concept on the power of dreams.
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: kings5504 on Jul 17, 2002 at 10:25 AM
hi gumby,

it was entitled "Dream of a Thousand Cats"...

hehehe...  off-topic na tayo...   :)
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: acidburn on Jul 17, 2002 at 05:27 PM

I wonder why Faith only lasted one season in the series - anyone knows? Or Drusilla - why only one season? I mean Spike came back and became a regular, why not Faith or Dru?

And what about Oz - why can't he ever return to the series?


the answer to that is "movies".They all decided to concentrate on movies which pay more than buffy.  ;D

BTW, gumby, re: theme of season 6. Joss actually said that the theme was "oh Grow up". That's why i couldn't figure out why the heck the season turned out the way it did. ::)
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: Holly Golightly on Jul 17, 2002 at 05:37 PM


the answer to that is "movies".They all decided to concentrate on movies which pay more than buffy.  ;D

BTW, gumby, re: theme of season 6. Joss actually said that the theme was "oh Grow up". That's why i couldn't figure out why the heck the season turned out the way it did. ::)


acidburn, darling, we share a brain again! I love it when people are crabby for the same reason I am! :)

gumby, did you ever find the Seth rumor on Pinoyslayers? I know I posted it.
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: gumby on Jul 17, 2002 at 05:40 PM
Really acidburn? Then I guess they did get lost in season 6. The whole season just didn't seem like a "growing up" phase - now I understand your earlier post.  :D

Uh...I understand Eliza and Seth on the "movies" thing but...where the heck did Juliet go? I can't recall any movie she made since leaving S2! I guess I just miss her - her short appearance in "Crush" isn't enough!

Since I mentioned Joss is considering Eliza to go back in S7, I thought I should mention the other characters they're considering of bringing back: Clare Kramer, Mark Metclaf and Adam Busch. No spoilers here...just rumors ok?

Now...are you excited about S7? I know I am!  ;D
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: Holly Golightly on Jul 19, 2002 at 10:27 AM

Uh...I understand Eliza and Seth on the "movies" thing but...where the heck did Juliet go? I can't recall any movie she made since leaving S2! I guess I just miss her - her short appearance in "Crush" isn't enough!


Well, Juliet is doing a LOT of theatre. Based on an article I read recently, she's a member of the Actor's Studio, like her father, and right now I think she's on tour with a play in Chicago or something. And she gets asked why she isn't back on Buffy all the time. :) I'm gonna look for that article and post the link here.

Anyway, the story on Seth is that his leaving BtVS might have been a mite contentious. Notice they barely mention his name. Although if I had my druthers, I'd like the series to end in that Istanbul thing, y'know, from Willow's goodbye scene with Oz in New Moon Rising. :)

Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: Holly Golightly on Jul 19, 2002 at 11:24 AM
New spoilery Buffy S7 article here: http://www.post-gazette.com/tv/20020718owen3.asp

Joss seems very close-mouthed about the fate of Spikey. I hope that's a good sign. Spoiler: *[color=#DDDDD]I just hope someone points out that Buffy's actions towards Spike last season were wrongwrongwrongwrongwrong. Because aside from Jane, I don't think any of the staff writers think she ought to get crap for the crappy treatment she handed out to Spikeums last year, and I think she should.[/color]*

Also, yawn. I saw sides from the first episode at Fanforum. Does anyone want me to post it at Pinoyslayers? Because it's very lame. And aside from my general apathy towards S7, I'm still paralyzed by not caring very much.
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: gumby on Jul 19, 2002 at 11:37 AM
I agree with your spoiler, Holly! What goes around comes around, ika nga.

I think what happened with S6 was that the balance of humor and reality was lost. I mean, the past seasons had its dark moments (S1 had Buffy's death, S2 had Angel's death, S3 had Faith's betrayal, and S4 had college  ;D) but the humor was intelligently mixed in the batch.

I think with S6, the humor was down-played because of what Buffy experienced in the premiere, thereby setting the mood for the rest of the season. With this in mind, I think the darkness of the season was appropriate, though not necessarily enjoyable.
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: pagan on Jul 19, 2002 at 01:22 PM

New spoilery Buffy S7 article here: http://www.post-gazette.com/tv/20020718owen3.asp

Joss seems very close-mouthed about the fate of Spikey. I hope that's a good sign. Spoiler: *[color=#DDDDD]I just hope someone points out that Buffy's actions towards Spike last season were wrongwrongwrongwrongwrong. Because aside from Jane, I don't think any of the staff writers think she ought to get crap for the crappy treatment she handed out to Spikeums last year, and I think she should.[/color]*


spoilery reply to spoilery comment **[color=#DDDDD]
Dahling, if people deserve to pay for treating their boyfriends (or whatever) like crap, we'd all be whipped 9 ways till sunday  ;D
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Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: utoy on Jul 19, 2002 at 01:40 PM

... snip ...
Also, yawn. I saw sides from the first episode at Fanforum. Does anyone want me to post it at Pinoyslayers? Because it's very lame. And aside from my general apathy towards S7, I'm still paralyzed by not caring very much.


ah, what the heck. post it. i'm going to forget it by the time it gets shown here anyway. :)
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: gumby on Jul 19, 2002 at 01:59 PM

ah, what the heck. post it. i'm going to forget it by the time it gets shown here anyway. :)


Have a suggestion: since most of us here already know what's going to happen to the series up to S6, maybe we can do away with the spoiler warnings and discuss things freely? I mean, let's just put a big SPOILER AHEAD at the start of the thread and y'know..."spoil" ahead? What do you think guys?
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: kings5504 on Jul 19, 2002 at 02:02 PM
i dunno if it's just a coincidence but why do most tv shows that i like peak on its first three or four seasons then goes downhill after that?  it certainly was the case for me for the x-files (i'm glad they finally killed that show, although i'm sad that it wasn't able to exit while it was still at the top of its game), seinfeld, nypd blue (heck, for me that peaked in its first season then went downhill after that), and now buffy...  i really love buffy, but i just found season 4, 5, and what i have seen from season 6 a bit of a drag compared to its first 3 seasons...  i hope the show finds its sense of humor again, or else season 7 will just end up to be another glum season like season 6...
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: Holly Golightly on Jul 19, 2002 at 02:12 PM

spoilery reply to spoilery comment **[color=#DDDDD]
Dahling, if people deserve to pay for treating their boyfriends (or whatever) like crap, we'd all be whipped 9 ways till sunday  ;D
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Ah, but I was always nice to my exes! Also, [color=#DDDDD]I never beat them up at the slightest provocation. Or use people without compunction. Or take out whatever insecurities I have about myself onto the person who looks at me like he loves me. Basically, if they want me to even look at Buffy without feeling disgust and annoyance, they know what to do...

Also, ahem, they pride themselves on being a feminist show and then introduce a plot line where a newly-rich Xander plans to woo Anya back with money? Is he planning to pay her directly, or does Anya now have a pimp? Ptui.
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Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: Holly Golightly on Jul 19, 2002 at 02:15 PM

i dunno if it's just a coincidence but why do most tv shows that i like peak on its first three or four seasons then goes downhill after that?  it certainly was the case for me for the x-files (i'm glad they finally killed that show, although i'm sad that it wasn't able to exit while it was still at the top of its game), seinfeld, nypd blue (heck, for me that peaked in its first season then went downhill after that), and now buffy...  i really love buffy, but i just found season 4, 5, and what i have seen from season 6 a bit of a drag compared to its first 3 seasons...  i hope the show finds its sense of humor again, or else season 7 will just end up to be another glum season like season 6...


Awww. I loved season 5! :D I love the metaphysics of it. And darn it, it's funny! <me babaw>

Also, if you can FF through all the Riley-Initiative parts, S4 is a hoot. The Oz-Faith two-parters, Hush, and the badass Something Blue are exceptional episodes. Plus, they never should have killed Sunday from The Freshman.
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: Holly Golightly on Jul 19, 2002 at 02:22 PM
Not too crazy about the Spoilers Ahead idea, gumby. Only because I think some members are going spoiler-free, and they may stop browsing the thread if we put in de spoilers. Sayang naman the other voices in the discourse, ne? JMHO, of course. :)

... snip ...
Also, yawn. I saw sides from the first episode at Fanforum. Does anyone want me to post it at Pinoyslayers? Because it's very lame. And aside from my general apathy towards S7, I'm still paralyzed by not caring very much.

ah, what the heck. post it. i'm going to forget it by the time it gets shown here anyway. :)

SPOILERS:

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This stuff, if you don't mind me saying so, is LAME. And JOSS wrote it. Igh. Buffy's the best what ever? She's freaking 21!

From Fraz in Fanforum

More from Episode 1 Season 7 LESSONS
INT. SCHOOL HALLS-DAY

Pan through the halls as kids change classes,
packing the place.

Buffy, Dawn, Carlos and Kit are all together near
the entrance to the basement. It's crowded, but
these four are in their own world.

BUFFY: You guys are gonna be okay. THis school
is intense, but you can do all right if you're
careful. And you might wanna think about sticking
together.

KIT: Thank you...

She hugs Buffy. Carlos puts his arm on her
shoulder and says, sincerely:

CARLOS: Yeah. I mean it. You're the coolest mom ever.

Ashen, Buffy instinctively touches her hair. Dawn smiles.

DAWN: Come on. We've still got a few more classes to live through.

She kisses Buffy on the cheek and then takes off, arm in arm with Kit, Carlos staying close. Buffy watches them go, then turns to find Principal Wood staring at her.

P WOOD: Curiouser and curiouser

BUFFY: What?

P WOOD: Carlos Trejo and Kit Holbern. Possibly the only
two students in this school who's files are as thick as yours was.

BUFFY: You really did do your homework.

P WOOD: I was looking for one or both of them to implode in a fearsome way before midterms, and you've got 'em socializing, hugging, and if I'm not mistaken, actually headed to class.

BUFFY: Well, we shared an...encounter. Sometimes you just gotta break the ice.

P WOOD: You were probably more than happy to get out of this place, but I gotta tell you, Ms. Summers, I think you belong here.

BUFFY: hamnoo?

P WOOD: Ever think about coming back?

BUFFY: Is this that nightmare where I didn't take finals? Should I be in my jammies?

P WOOD: I know this school's reputation. You think I got this job 'cause I had seniority? We've got a lot of pretty troubled students here, and just enough money to keep the place from caving in.

BUFFY: You may need a little extra there.

P WOOD: We do have a small community outreach program, gets people from the town to teach electives and such...the money we could pay you wouldn't even... but it would just be a couple days a week...

BUFFY: You want me to be a counselor?

P WOOD: We have a guidance counselor, but I think the kinds could use someone, you know, closer to their age, who still...

BUFFY: I'm in.

P WOOD: You serious? You heard the part about the money?

BUFFY: I heard. I'd like to keep an eye on this place.

P WOOD: Well that's great.

BUFFY: Just let me know.

P WOOD: All RIght (looks at watch) It's not even noon and I've already bullied my first family member into helping out. I'm going to be the best principal ever.

The principal smiles, winningly, and goes off. Buffy watches, her smile fading. Still not sure about this person. She looks around the building a bit, then exits out the front.

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Someone on the following page snarked about it...

From bubonicplague1348 in Fanforum:

Oh, look, it's MORE from episode 1, LESSONS:

P WOOD: Hi, I'm Principal Wood. I'm the token black character this season, want to take bets on how soon I get killed off?

BUFFY: I'm Buffy. I'm a mom. I mean...no, I'm a sister. I'm a mother AND a sister. No wait...that's Chinatown.

P WOOD: I've heard stuff about you. A lot of stuff. I'm cryptic. Would you like me to be your love interest?

BUFFY: Thanks, but I really don't want to date anyone whose name is even more phallic than the last guy I was with. I mean, "Principal Wood"? Come on! (she picks up her new cell phone and dials Xander)

CARLOS: Hello?

BUFFY: Who is this?

CARLOS: Well, I figured since I'm the same character as Xander, I might as well answer his phone. Can you hear me now? Good.

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Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: kings5504 on Jul 19, 2002 at 02:41 PM
hi holly,
i didn't hate seasons 4-6 of buffy...  i just felt that episodes from those seasons lacked the "oomph" or the buzz i got after watching a brand new episode from the first 3 seasons...  i mean, i too have favorites eps from seasons 4-6...  "The Gift", "Hush", "The Body", the Faith episodes (mmmm....  Faith.....  ;D), and "Once More, With Feeling" come to mind...  but you were right about the Riley-Iniative part...  i really had to fast forward through a lot of that nonsense (sorry to the Initiative fans out there! :))...
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: gumby on Jul 19, 2002 at 02:48 PM
Tawa ako ng tawa sa spoilers mo, Holly! Uh wait...that doesn't mean I liked it...it was amusing but not exactly intelligent.  ;D

Hmmm...sad to say I have never seen an Initiative episode. I think I only saw "Hush" from S4 and nothing else - not even  :'( the Faith 2-parter.
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: pagan on Jul 19, 2002 at 03:05 PM

Also, if you can FF through all the Riley-Initiative parts, S4 is a hoot. The Oz-Faith two-parters, Hush, and the badass Something Blue are exceptional episodes.

Hear, hear!  Also, don't forget Restless -- it had the Cheese man! <me also babaw>

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Plus, they never should have killed Sunday from The Freshman.


She would've made a great Glorificus, doncha think?
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: Holly Golightly on Jul 19, 2002 at 03:52 PM
Also, if you can FF through all the Riley-Initiative parts, S4 is a hoot. The Oz-Faith two-parters, Hush, and the badass Something Blue are exceptional episodes.
Hear, hear!  Also, don't forget Restless -- it had the Cheese man! <me also babaw>

Yessss! Also, "A New Man," which I keep forgetting to mention, but was my first taste of that Spike-Giles chemistry I love. Oh, and "Superstar." And "Beer Bad." <whaaat?>

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Plus, they never should have killed Sunday from The Freshman.

She would've made a great Glorificus, doncha think?

I was just saying that! Great minds, Pagan.
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: pagan on Jul 22, 2002 at 09:31 PM
Just saw "I was made to love you."

What do you guys think?  Wasn't it just funny?  April broke my heart in the end  :-[

Has anyone ever become an "April" in a relationship?  

I haven't yet, I think, but only because I've too much of an ego, hehehe.

But then, I think it's the April's who get the guy most of the time...
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: gumby on Jul 22, 2002 at 09:57 PM
I Was Made To Love You feels like a filler episode, y'know? I mean between the appearance of Drusilla in The Crush and next week's episode, it kinda felt...I don't know...mediocre?

Ummm...is this the first appearance of Warren?
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: pagan on Jul 22, 2002 at 10:07 PM

I Was Made To Love You feels like a filler episode, y'know? I mean between the appearance of Drusilla in The Crush and next week's episode, it kinda felt...I don't know...mediocre?

Ummm...is this the first appearance of Warren?


Yes, in a way, it is a filler episode.  Also, it establishes a lot of things (bi-seasonal viewers know what I'm talking about).  But it was pretty good.
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: Mr. Hankey on Jul 23, 2002 at 12:00 AM
Sali ako!


I Was Made To Love You feels like a filler episode, y'know? I mean between the appearance of Drusilla in The Crush and next week's episode, it kinda felt...I don't know...mediocre?

Ummm...is this the first appearance of Warren?


In the Buffy timeline, this episode may seem like a filler when you first watch it, but it is anything but.

Note everything that went on in the episode - Warren, his girlfriend, April, the ending. They are all critical in understanding the Buffy universe as it is today.
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: utoy on Jul 23, 2002 at 09:54 AM
So, Ben and Glory are two person in one, only Glory isn't aware of what Ben thinks?

A big thread welcome to Mr. Hankey.
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: gumby on Jul 23, 2002 at 11:01 AM
Hi Mr. Hankey and welcome!


Note everything that went on in the episode - Warren, his girlfriend, April, the ending. They are all critical in understanding the Buffy universe as it is today.


Well, I didn't say that the episode was bad...just mediocre since it's between two really great episodes. I agree that the storyline and characters were in sync with the Buffyverse (and we finally FINALLY get a resolution to Buffy's feelings about Riley) but it just didn't quite sum up to The Crush and the upcoming episode next week.
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: Holly Golightly on Jul 23, 2002 at 12:43 PM
Hi Mr. Hankey and welcome!

Note everything that went on in the episode - Warren, his girlfriend, April, the ending. They are all critical in understanding the Buffy universe as it is today.

Well, I didn't say that the episode was bad...just mediocre since it's between two really great episodes. I agree that the storyline and characters were in sync with the Buffyverse (and we finally FINALLY get a resolution to Buffy's feelings about Riley) but it just didn't quite sum up to The Crush and the upcoming episode next week.

True, but Mr. Hankey is right (welcome to the thread, btw). Rewatch this ep after The Gift airs. Or after the season 6 episode "Dead Things." You'll pick up on things you may have ignored in the beginning, but will take on exceptional import upon rewatch. Even with my bitterness towards the staff, these things still put BtVS a cut above other things on TV today. Because you HAVE to pay attention. Even if it sucks.
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: Holly Golightly on Jul 24, 2002 at 04:46 PM
In case anyone was wondering, that was "Crush" writer David Fury as one of the goat-sacrificers in the first scene of last night's Angel episode.  As I mentioned to the Pinoyslayers (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pinoyslayer/), I KNEW Fury was in league with the Dark Forces.
Title: Watch BtVS "The Body" tonight at 8pm, Studio 23
Post by: pagan on Jul 29, 2002 at 03:50 PM
Watch "The Body" tonight!  Watchitwatchitwatchit.
Title: Re:Watch BtVS "The Body" tonight at 8pm, Studio 23
Post by: Mr. Hankey on Jul 29, 2002 at 11:29 PM

Watch "The Body" tonight!


Watching the episode again, alam ko na kung bakit hindi siya na-nominate for any awards. You take the subject matter of "a death in the family," then make everyone get emotional and cry, then you film it using strange camera angles and without any music.

It's like you're BEGGING them to vote for you by making an episode intentionally different and "special".
Title: Re:Watch BtVS "The Body" tonight at 8pm, Studio 23
Post by: pagan on Jul 30, 2002 at 09:14 AM


Watch "The Body" tonight!

Watching the episode again, alam ko na kung bakit hindi siya na-nominate for any awards. You take the subject matter of "a death in the family," then make everyone get emotional and cry, then you film it using strange camera angles and without any music.

It's like you're BEGGING them to vote for you by making an episode intentionally different and "special".


So you didn't like it?

I suppose you preferred they didn't get emotional or cry at the death of Joyce?  That you think the strange camera angles was an MTV trick to make the episode stand out, and that the absence of music was also another trick to make it "special"?

Then I'm sorry, but that wonderful episode was wasted on you.
Title: Joyce Summers, RIP
Post by: utoy on Jul 30, 2002 at 09:53 AM
I half-expected this was coming. Just like Buffy, I gagged and almost puked when I saw Joyce slumped on the sofa lifeless.

Screw the Emmy's! Joss does not work hard on all these episodes just to please them! It was made to stand out to mourn the loss of a loved one and not to fish (nor beg) for an award. So what if it didn't have that manipulative musical score that people look for in a drama series, it was appropriate.
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: gumby on Jul 30, 2002 at 10:50 AM
The first time I saw The Body, I felt a shiver up my spine when Buffy was shaking her mother. I did the same thing when a loved one had a seizure - you'd think that shouting and shaking them would snap them out of whatever state they were in.

Dawn's break-down scene at the school was a nice touch, and her mistrust of Buffy (on her mother's death) is actually normal - until she saw the body for herself.

Anya's scene was so touching! Trying to find logic in death - how futile is that? Emma is so perfect as Anyanka - so sad she's not renewing her contract for S8.

Willow changing her clothes reflects the confusion one feels in death. I felt a tear when she said, "Little Dawny..."

Tara, surprisingly, became the one person who can relate to what Buffy was experiencing. Nice to see the two of them bonding on such a deeper level.

Xander was pretty useless for the rest of the episode, but I guess that in itself is good. Some would definitely feel useless in such an experience.

All in all, a superb episode. However (please don't throw rotten tomatoes at me), I found myself liking the next episode more ("Forever").
Title: Re:Watch BtVS "The Body" tonight at 8pm, Studio 23
Post by: Mr. Hankey on Jul 30, 2002 at 05:57 PM

So you didn't like it?

I suppose you preferred they didn't get emotional or cry at the death of Joyce?  That you think the strange camera angles was an MTV trick to make the episode stand out, and that the absence of music was also another trick to make it "special"?

Then I'm sorry, but that wonderful episode was wasted on you.


Read my post over. Nowhere did I say I did not like the episode. In fact, it ranks among my top 10 episodes, and I actually appreciated the lack of scoring and dissociative camera angles. Those really capture the effect that a death of a loved one has on someone. It's a surreal feeling when it first hits you.

What I said was, watching it over, I see WHY IT DIDN'T GET NOMINATED. When you have "very special episodes" created uniquely, those are exactly what the Emmy voters pass on because they feel like (correctly or incorrectly) they were created to beg for nominations.
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: gumby on Jul 30, 2002 at 07:07 PM
I don't think The Body was any more "begging for a nomination" than, let's say, Becoming (from the second season), or Hush (from the fourth season), Mr. Hankey.

However IMHO, I still like Becoming more than last night's episode because it featured a heartbreaking storyline, great acting by everyone, and a superb fighting scene - why then wasn't it nominated for an Emmy? Those two episodes (again IMHO) is better than, let's say, ten episodes of M*A*S*H (and I love M*A*S*H)!

Maybe because the show was too young then - okay, fine - consider Hush then. Half of the episode was virtually a silent movie - and they pulled it off with great acting! What did the Buffy crew get? A nomination for writing (I think) - and that's all! Darn those Emmy guys!

Maybe because the special episodes only occur like once in a season - fine again - consider season three, where almost all of Faith's appearances were a gem. Also, Graduation Day was pulled off without being tacky (the Buffy/Angel scene was heartwrenching!).

It's a mystery all over hollywood why the show wasn't nominated in so many categories when it SHOULD be, considering the quality of the episodes - great writing, great acting, intriguing storylines, funny dialogue - what else did the show not yet accomplish?

I don't think The Body was "begging for nominations" - I think the Emmy guys just doesn't consider the show serious.

And THAT I definitely DO NOT like.  >:(
Title: Re:Watch BtVS "The Body" tonight at 8pm, Studio 23
Post by: pagan on Jul 31, 2002 at 01:17 PM
So you didn't like it?
I suppose you preferred they didn't get emotional or cry at the death of Joyce?  That you think the strange camera angles was an MTV trick to make the episode stand out, and that the absence of music was also another trick to make it "special"?

Then I'm sorry, but that wonderful episode was wasted on you.

Read my post over. Nowhere did I say I did not like the episode. In fact, it ranks among my top 10 episodes, and I actually appreciated the lack of scoring and dissociative camera angles. Those really capture the effect that a death of a loved one has on someone. It's a surreal feeling when it first hits you.

Which is why I asked, because just because you didn't say you disliked a show doesn't mean you liked it.

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What I said was, watching it over, I see WHY IT DIDN'T GET NOMINATED. When you have "very special episodes" created uniquely, those are exactly what the Emmy voters pass on because they feel like (correctly or incorrectly) they were created to beg for nominations.

Just because a show seems like it was created especially to get nominated doesn't mean it shouldn't be.  Are you telling us that once a show looks like a lot of extra work was put into it to make it special, the emmy voters immediately say "Hmp, special episode, let's not nominate that for anything."  That whether or not all that extra efford really did produce a wonderful television hour doesn't matter to emmy voters just because it looks like it was a "special episode"?

In the end, it shouldn't really matter whether a show was made specially to get nominated.   Because it doesn't help to second-guess the writers/director/producers.  What should matter is the end product.  (Am I the only one who thinks this?)

The Emmy voters didn't nominate "The Body" because it screamed "Special episode!  Nominate me!"  They didn't nominate it because they feel that BtVS is not a show to be taken seriously.  That to appreciate BtVS is to invite mockery amongst coleagues.

Oh, well.
Title: Re:Watch BtVS "The Body" tonight at 8pm, Studio 23
Post by: kakabanas on Jul 31, 2002 at 09:14 PM

The Emmy voters didn't nominate "The Body" because it screamed "Special episode!  Nominate me!"  They didn't nominate it because they feel that BtVS is not a show to be taken seriously.  That to appreciate BtVS is to invite mockery amongst coleagues.

Oh, well.


The Emmy voters are simply old farts living in the comfort of familiarity. This year is a major breakthrough as new, young members joined the club. Gone are the familiar nominees we see year in and year out who don't deserve to be there the second time around. Unfortunately, this is also the year that Buffy isn't at its best. Aside from the season opening musical, there's not much to talk about.  It is hard to justify a nomination when you are up against 24,  Alias,The West Wing, Law & Order and Six Feet Under.

8)
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Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: Holly Golightly on Aug 06, 2002 at 04:18 PM
The spinning commences...Joss just did an interview with TVGuide.com regarding the storylines for S7. To quote my platinum baby, I'm still pararlyzed by not caring very much. Specially by the Dawn the Vampire Slayer spoiler. Yawn. James, buy your fricking contract out!

SPOILER START
Joss Whedon Gives Buffy Back its Bite

     Since Buffy the Vampire Slayer bummed out even its diehard loyalists worse than a pair of teeth marks to the neck last season, series creator Joss Whedon knows that this year there's a lot, uh, at stake. Luckily, he has a master plan to keep the UPN sleeper out of the TV-show graveyard and in the Sunnydale Cemetery where it belongs: In upcoming episodes, he reveals, "there will be vampires. And we're going to give [the Scoobies] cute catch phrases like 'Eat this' and 'You're dust.'" All kidding aside, the auteur does have a few tricks up his sleeve to turn around the bloody mess that the cult fave became — and no, none of them involve hiring Luke Perry to reprise his role from the anemic 1992 film. Phew! He's off to a good start already. Here are some of his other ideas to keep creatures of the night glued to the tube on Tuesdays. — Michael Ausiello

Buffy will cheer up. Whedon concedes that last season, Buffy "got very dark, and not everybody responded to that." So from here on, the Chosen One won't be playing the victim anymore. "We're going to see Buffy empowered again," he says, "instead of seeing her at the mercy of life."

Sunnydale High School will be rebuilt. "Buffy's going to get involved in the school and Dawn (Michelle Trachtenberg) will be attending," he says. "It's about getting back to the mission statement of the show, which was, 'Here's a little girl with a lot of power and a lot of people who underestimate it.'"

A lot of familiar faces will be returning. Not only is Amber Benson coming back as a character other than Tara, so might be Eliza Dushku (Faith), Clare Kramer (Glory), Juliet Landau (Drusilla) and George Hertzberg (Adam). "[They're all returning] for a very particular reason that I will not explain to you," Whedon teases.

Anthony Stewart Head will be around more. At least Whedon hopes so. To date, the actor — who's currently appearing on the BBC America series Manchild — is only committed to doing 10 episodes of Buffy. "But we want more," Whedon says. "We missed him [last year]." Meanwhile, Ripper, the in-the-works spinoff revolving around Head's counterpart Giles, has been put on hold.

Willow (Alyson Hannigan) will get a new girlfriend.. Well, maybe. "That's something I'm not going to comment on," Whedon says. "But it's definitely a possibility."

Spike will not turn into a little Angel. Although the blonde blood-sucker got back his soul, Whedon has no intention of turning him into a clone of Buffy's first love. "If you think [that], you don't know me," he asserts. "The trick is to do it differently and have it mean something new."

Buffy will go on — with or without Sarah Michelle Gellar. A decision about an eighth season has yet to be made. However, Whedon certainly isn't eager to dust the franchise. "The show is about growing up, and that process never stops," he says. "I really do feel like it could go on forever" — even if Gellar hangs up Mr. Pointy when her contract expires in May? "I'm game for almost anything," Whedon says. "It's a huge universe we've created and an incredible cast of actors."
 


SPOILER END
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: utoy on Aug 06, 2002 at 04:25 PM
Speaking of the musical, I've seen it and it rocked! Joss Whedon is a genius. Everyone in the cast surprised me with their singing voices. Tara stands out and Giles too.
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: pagan on Aug 06, 2002 at 05:46 PM

Speaking of the musical, I've seen it and it rocked! Joss Whedon is a genius. Everyone in the cast surprised me with their singing voices. Tara stands out and Giles too.


I've seen it about a dozen times now -- it blew me away every time  ;D

Last Saturday's PinoySlayer 'thon was especially fun because we got to see a couple of people see it for the first time.  I think there was drool.
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: Mr. Hankey on Aug 06, 2002 at 05:55 PM

Speaking of the musical, I've seen it and it rocked! Everyone in the cast surprised me with their singing voices.


Even Willow?  ::)

I love Alyson, and I'm glad she knows what her limitations are. :)
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: Holly Golightly on Aug 06, 2002 at 05:56 PM

I've seen it about a dozen times now -- it blew me away every time  ;D

Last Saturday's PinoySlayer 'thon was especially fun because we got to see a couple of people see it for the first time.  I think there was drool.


I KNOW there was drool - I cleaned up afterwards. :) I don't know if that happened during the musical or during the Instant Slash repeatovision, though. :)
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: Holly Golightly on Aug 06, 2002 at 06:01 PM


Speaking of the musical, I've seen it and it rocked! Everyone in the cast surprised me with their singing voices.


Even Willow?  ::)

I love Alyson, and I'm glad she knows what her limitations are. :)


Good point. That said, Hinton Battle was ROBBED! ROBBED, I tell you!
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: utoy on Aug 06, 2002 at 06:40 PM

Even Willow?  ::)

I love Alyson, and I'm glad she knows what her limitations are. :)


Well, I didn't think she sang off-key. I remember this S1 ep where everyone had their nightmares coming true, and Willow had to sing opera in front of a very unkind audience. I guess my answer to your rolled-eye question is: Yes, even Willow.
Title: Buffy the Musical
Post by: pagan on Aug 07, 2002 at 11:00 AM
I really think they should do a Shakespearian episode next.

Think about it -- there will be revenge, conspiracies, mistaken identities, etc.

Drooling now...  :P
Title: Re:Buffy the Musical
Post by: Holly Golightly on Aug 07, 2002 at 11:05 AM

I really think they should do a Shakespearian episode next.

Think about it -- there will be revenge, conspiracies, mistaken identities, etc.

Drooling now...  :P


Speaking as a fan and as someone who has been in awe of her abilities before - SMG would SUCK in Shakespeare. Kindly flash back to her hideous "English accent" in Halloween.
Title: Re:Buffy the Musical
Post by: Mr. Hankey on Aug 07, 2002 at 12:33 PM
I really think they should do a Shakespearian episode next.

Think about it -- there will be revenge, conspiracies, mistaken identities, etc.

Speaking as a fan and as someone who has been in awe of her abilities before - SMG would SUCK in Shakespeare.

I don't know how they'd do it without the show feeling like the famous TAMING OF THE SHREW episode of MOONLIGHTING. Though I think most of the Buffy fans are probably too young to remember that, anyway.

"We hate iambic pentameter!"

And besides, didn't they already effectively do the major plotline of ROMEO AND JULIET with BECOMING? :)
Title: Re:Buffy the Musical
Post by: pagan on Aug 07, 2002 at 12:37 PM


I really think they should do a Shakespearian episode next.

Think about it -- there will be revenge, conspiracies, mistaken identities, etc.

Speaking as a fan and as someone who has been in awe of her abilities before - SMG would SUCK in Shakespeare. Kindly flash back to her hideous "English accent" in Halloween.


Which is why I do not suggest that they do an actual Shakespeare play -- just a Shakespearian episode  ;D
Title: Re:Buffy the Musical
Post by: pagan on Aug 07, 2002 at 12:42 PM



I really think they should do a Shakespearian episode next.

Speaking as a fan and as someone who has been in awe of her abilities before - SMG would SUCK in Shakespeare.

-- snip --
And besides, didn't they already effectively do the major plotline of ROMEO AND JULIET with BECOMING? :)


"Romeo and Juliet" and "Becoming"?  Hmm.. I don't see how the plots could be considered similar.
Title: Re:Buffy the Musical
Post by: Mr. Hankey on Aug 07, 2002 at 12:56 PM

"Romeo and Juliet" and "Becoming"?  Hmm.. I don't see how the plots could be considered similar.


This was my take on it: Two people who have an intense love which is forbidden because of who (or what) they are. Someone is asked to deliver a message that will affect the outcome of the love affair. He has the chance to deliver the message, but he chooses not to due his hatred of the other party. It ends with one of the lovers stabbed and the other "dead" (leaving her old identity) as well.

I always thought it was ripped directly from Romeo and Juliet, though maybe I was just reading too much into it.
Title: Re:Buffy the Musical
Post by: Holly Golightly on Aug 07, 2002 at 12:59 PM



I really think they should do a Shakespearian episode next.

Think about it -- there will be revenge, conspiracies, mistaken identities, etc.

Speaking as a fan and as someone who has been in awe of her abilities before - SMG would SUCK in Shakespeare. Kindly flash back to her hideous "English accent" in Halloween.


Which is why I do not suggest that they do an actual Shakespeare play -- just a Shakespearian episode  ;D


Hence the comment. She would suck in a Marlowe-ian episode, as well.

Anyway, define Shakespeareian. Othello? (Buffy as a black soldier? Buffy as Iago?) The Merchant of Venice? (Buffy as Portia? Shylock?) Much Ado About Nothing? (Buffy and Spike as Beatrice and Benedick? OK, I like that one, except SMG would SUCK and JM would ROCK, and it's too painful to see him either reverently acting down to her or her struggling to act up to him)  There are as many plots in Shakespeare as there are in BtVS, y'know.


Digging the Moonlighting reference, Mr. Hankey! Do you know anyone who has a copy of that ep? (called Atomic Shakespeare, IIRC)
Title: Re:Buffy the Musical
Post by: pagan on Aug 07, 2002 at 01:10 PM


"Romeo and Juliet" and "Becoming"?  Hmm.. I don't see how the plots could be considered similar.


This was my take on it: Two people who have an intense love which is forbidden because of who (or what) they are. Someone is asked to deliver a message that will affect the outcome of the love affair. He has the chance to deliver the message, but he chooses not to due his hatred of the other party. It ends with one of the lovers stabbed and the other "dead" (leaving her old identity) as well.

I always thought it was ripped directly from Romeo and Juliet, though maybe I was just reading too much into it.


Ah, I see your point now.  Still not totally convinced, though.  Perhaps that messenger bit was stolen from R&J, but the rest is different.  After all, Angelus wasn't in love with Buffy, and R&J couldn't be together not because of their opposite natures, but because of their families.

Nice call, though  ;D  I totally didn't see it.
Title: Re:Buffy the Musical
Post by: pagan on Aug 07, 2002 at 01:18 PM

Anyway, define Shakespeareian. Othello? (Buffy as a black soldier? Buffy as Iago?) The Merchant of Venice? (Buffy as Portia? Shylock?) Much Ado About Nothing? (Buffy and Spike as Beatrice and Benedick? OK, I like that one, except SMG would SUCK and JM would ROCK, and it's too painful to see him either reverently acting down to her or her struggling to act up to him)  There are as many plots in Shakespeare as there are in BtVS, y'know.


Shakespearian?  Well, the episode doesn't have to copy/borrow/steal a plot from WS, just employ some of the many fun devices from the plays.  Mistaken identity -- I like that one.  Although I think they do have conspiracies and power plays within the vampire ranks (Angelus vs Spike, season 2 for instance).  How about revenge?  Not just revenge-in-a-fit-of-anger-hand-me-my-crossbow, but cold calculated revenge.

BTW, maybe with a bit of practice SMG might be able to get that accent right.  They should be able to afford a linguist/language coach by now, right?
Title: Re:Buffy the Musical
Post by: Mr. Hankey on Aug 07, 2002 at 01:30 PM

Digging the Moonlighting reference, Mr. Hankey! Do you know anyone who has a copy of that ep? (called Atomic Shakespeare, IIRC)


Give me a few more days, and unless the molds have beaten me to it, I should be able to dig it up. Tried a quick search through my tapes, and the only one I see right now is the IT'S A WONDERFUL LIFE parody Christmas episode. I know I labelled the ATOMIC SHAKESPEARE "Classical Moonlighting", since I taped it back-to-back with the black and white film noir episode. Remember that one? :)
Title: Re:Buffy the Musical
Post by: Holly Golightly on Aug 07, 2002 at 01:46 PM


Digging the Moonlighting reference, Mr. Hankey! Do you know anyone who has a copy of that ep? (called Atomic Shakespeare, IIRC)


Give me a few more days, and unless the molds have beaten me to it, I should be able to dig it up. Tried a quick search through my tapes, and the only one I see right now is the IT'S A WONDERFUL LIFE parody Christmas episode. I know I labelled the ATOMIC SHAKESPEARE "Classical Moonlighting", since I taped it back-to-back with the black and white film noir episode. Remember that one? :)


Yep! Zalamat sa CTV 31 when it was CTV 31, because it was past my bedtme when it was first run (on ABS-CBN, IIRC). But they never showed Atomic Shakespeare.

The B&W ep was the one where David was a sax player and Maddie was a singer for a band, right?

I want a B&W film noir Buffy. :D
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: utoy on Aug 07, 2002 at 03:59 PM
Bwahaha! Backtracking a little. I just read that Alyson didn't actually sing in that musical. My bad. I really need to get that copy! And you guys didn't even correct me. Hehe. Mr. Smarty Pants has every right to roll his eyes.
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: Holly Golightly on Aug 07, 2002 at 04:03 PM
Bwahaha! Backtracking a little. I just read that Alyson didn't actually sing in that musical. My bad. I really need to get that copy! And you guys didn't even correct me. Hehe. Mr. Smarty Pants has every right to roll his eyes.

Yes she did, and Mr. Hankey's right. She didn't have her own song, but she sang two lines in particular: "I think this line's mostly filler." (hehehe, BTW) and "I have a theory, some kid is dreamin'/ And we're all stuck inside this wacky Broadway nightmare." End spoiler. Plus I think she was in the big group songs.

I have edited this fecking post five times. Somebody shoot me.
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: utoy on Aug 07, 2002 at 04:33 PM

Yes she did, and Mr. Hankey's right. She didn't have her own song, but she sang two lines in particular: "I think this line's mostly filler." (hehehe, BTW) and "I have a theory, some kid is dreamin'/ And we're all stuck inside this wacky Broadway nightmare." End spoiler. Plus I think she was in the big group songs.


He he. Ok. If there's anybody who need's to be shot, it's gotta be me. She didn't sing off-key!
Title: Re:Buffy the Musical
Post by: pagan on Aug 08, 2002 at 10:39 AM

I want a B&W film noir Buffy. :D


Me too!  The "Slayer Who Wasn't There", bwahahaha.

It could be a spell, couldn't it?  A spell that removes all colors from sight and renders everything B&W =)  Then you have Spike playing the homme-fatale, and Buffy doing a voice-over narration..

"As he stepped out of the shadows, I took one look at his blond head and razor cheekbones and I knew this bloke meant trouble..  But then, I wasn't the type to run away from trouble, blond or otherwise.  Especially not if he came with the kind of buns that were enough to cause cardiac arrest in a nunnery."

<WEG>
Title: Re:Buffy the Musical
Post by: Holly Golightly on Aug 08, 2002 at 11:33 AM
I want a B&W film noir Buffy. :D

Me too!  The "Slayer Who Wasn't There", bwahahaha.

It could be a spell, couldn't it?  A spell that removes all colors from sight and renders everything B&W =)  

OR, we could do it a la [color=#DDDDD]OMWF and Moonlighting (Mr. Hankey, this is all your fault) and have a demon come in town, and then that demon opens up a buried crime that involves out gang. Which means flashbacks galore, because it's a noir and it's GOTTA have flashbacks. And that's the excuse for the outfits. :)

Maybe it could be a Humphrey Bogart-y demon. A boggart! Bwahahaha! (OK, that joke would KILL in Harry Potter-themed parties)  [/color]

I want a B&W film noir Buffy. :D

Then you have Spike playing the homme-fatale, and Buffy doing a voice-over narration..

"As he stepped out of the shadows, I took one look at his blond head and razor cheekbones and I knew this bloke meant trouble..  But then, I wasn't the type to run away from trouble, blond or otherwise.  Especially not if he came with the kind of buns that were enough to cause cardiac arrest in a nunnery."



Bwahahahaha! It's the first red herring that involves hot tight buns!
Title: Re:Buffy the Musical
Post by: pagan on Aug 08, 2002 at 11:57 AM
Bwahahahaha! It's the first red herring that involves hot tight buns!


And it's about time, doncha think?   ;D  Think of it as a feminist-type film noir.
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: pagan on Aug 15, 2002 at 10:59 AM
Lindsay, come baaaaack!!!

*sniff*
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: utoy on Aug 15, 2002 at 01:54 PM
oh, i keep forgetting, angel (or lindsay) lovers like pagan here are welcome to post here too.  :)

yeah, lindsay, next time you come back ditch the pink truck.  ;)
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: pagan on Aug 15, 2002 at 02:27 PM

yeah, lindsay, next time you come back ditch the pink truck.  ;)


But.. but.. Angel likes that pink truck!

;D
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: utoy on Aug 15, 2002 at 03:01 PM
and angel wants the "COPS S*CK" sign still intact. i'll just pretend this isn't slashy.
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: pagan on Aug 15, 2002 at 05:47 PM

and angel wants the "COPS S*CK" sign still intact. i'll just pretend this isn't slashy.


It's not, actually..  it's just.. hmmm... y'know.  ;)
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: pagan on Aug 19, 2002 at 09:01 AM
Hey, "Intervention" tonight!

I guess some of of us will be watching with murderous concentration trying to catch which scenes will unfortunately get cut.  

No spoilers, just trying to whet your appetite  ;D
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: Holly Golightly on Aug 20, 2002 at 03:27 PM
I guess some of of us will be watching with murderous concentration trying to catch which scenes will unfortunately get cut.  

Walang na-clip! I'm so proud! They're sly enough to fly under the MTRCB radar.
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: Mr. Hankey on Aug 20, 2002 at 03:48 PM
Rounder Records formally announced that it will release a CD soundtrack from last season's critically acclaimed musical episode of UPN's Buffy the Vampire Slayer on Sept. 24. Rounder is releasing the CD with Mutant Enemy Music and Twentieth Century Fox Music.

The episode, "Once More With Feeling," was first broadcast on Nov. 6, 2001. The soundtrack will feature lyrics and music written by series creator Joss Whedon and performed by the show's cast, including star Sarah Michelle Gellar.

The CD's 10 tracks will contain the entire original soundtrack to the show, as well as an unreleased demo version of "Going Through the Motions," sung by Whedon and his wife, Kai Cole, as well as score segments from three other "Buffy" episodes, "Restless," "Hush" and "The Gift," Rounder announced.
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: pagan on Aug 20, 2002 at 04:58 PM
Rounder Records formally announced that it will release a CD soundtrack from last season's critically acclaimed musical episode of UPN's Buffy the Vampire Slayer on Sept. 24.

Now you can sing along ..

Squee!  can't wait to get my hands on it!
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: Mr. Hankey on Aug 21, 2002 at 08:39 PM
Rounder Records formally announced that it will release a CD soundtrack from last season's critically acclaimed musical episode of UPN's Buffy the Vampire Slayer on Sept. 24.

Now you can sing along ..

Squee!  can't wait to get my hands on it!

Yup! :)

But don't you think they should have included Giles' 2 other songs he sang in Season 4, as well? There might not be another opportunity to release it on CD in the future...
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: acidburn on Aug 22, 2002 at 03:40 AM
one of the songs was free bird right? what's the other one? i can't remember.
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: pagan on Aug 22, 2002 at 08:44 AM
one of the songs was free bird right? what's the other one? i can't remember.

"The Exposition Song"!
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: The Stig on Aug 22, 2002 at 08:57 AM
Hello :)

i started watching my freshly delivered Buffy season 2 last night and i found something interesting. On the list of directors of each show i noticed a Bruce Seth Green did some episodes such as Halloween and The Dark Age. Any relation to the actor who plays Dr Evil's dysfunctional son as well as the resident werewolf of the series? :)
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: Holly Golightly on Aug 22, 2002 at 11:37 AM
Hello :)

i started watching my freshly delivered Buffy season 2 last night and i found something interesting. On the list of directors of each show i noticed a Bruce Seth Green did some episodes such as Halloween and The Dark Age. Any relation to the actor who plays Dr Evil's dysfunctional son as well as the resident werewolf of the series? :)

They're not related. It's just a weird coincidence.

I want another full-length Giles number on that CD! ASH's solo CD was very badly produced - you could hardly hear him.

Acidburn - you're back!
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: acidburn on Aug 22, 2002 at 03:17 PM

Acidburn - you're back!

yes i am and it's Dr. Acidburn now. MWA HA HA HA. kidding. sorry still deliriously happy.
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: Holly Golightly on Aug 22, 2002 at 05:02 PM

Acidburn - you're back!

yes i am and it's Dr. Acidburn now. MWA HA HA HA. kidding. sorry still deliriously happy.

So I heard! Congratulations. Will say hi on the list later. :)

Buffy fans are so smart
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: Dan on Aug 22, 2002 at 06:24 PM
Hi Acidburn. I wasn't able to congratulate you at the list.
CONGRATULATIONS DOCTOR!!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: acidburn on Aug 23, 2002 at 08:07 PM
hey for all you spoilery types. HEre are a couple of pics from episode 1 of season 7.
http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0LQAAAMsPgGOhJ0PDXAb0AHNKsC0Oxe2lVRYdgqkIclEOuU4Rnpl8aSMCYrXWrmst3mtXUQLOWEA/Lessons5.jpg (http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0LQAAAMsPgGOhJ0PDXAb0AHNKsC0Oxe2lVRYdgqkIclEOuU4Rnpl8aSMCYrXWrmst3mtXUQLOWEA/Lessons5.jpg)
http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0LQB0cMwPpGOhJ0PDXAb0AArXZm6KtSr6nCAxuNMtGBpmHDUjvaKdObULkuPVct60lopKPppxmbM/Lessons6.jpg (http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0LQB0cMwPpGOhJ0PDXAb0AArXZm6KtSr6nCAxuNMtGBpmHDUjvaKdObULkuPVct60lopKPppxmbM/Lessons6.jpg)

http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0LQAAAMoPXGOhJ0PDXAb0AHTT0xmOS7oAas!y1hOs1WJ2LquIl5ojWmDT17OwLFFudCCm61YAftI/Lessons4.jpg (http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0LQAAAMoPXGOhJ0PDXAb0AHTT0xmOS7oAas!y1hOs1WJ2LquIl5ojWmDT17OwLFFudCCm61YAftI/Lessons4.jpg)

http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0LQAAAMkPOGOhJ0PDXAb0AOIv4bVWXvsORKRpS2Ler2ofJDE1a47eMPml8clA2ViM6B7lwE6g04k/Lessons3.jpg (http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0LQAAAMkPOGOhJ0PDXAb0AOIv4bVWXvsORKRpS2Ler2ofJDE1a47eMPml8clA2ViM6B7lwE6g04k/Lessons3.jpg)


nothing too spoilery about the piccies though. Dawn has added highlights to her shiny shiny hair and looks like xander has lost some weight.

still hoping the new season turns out better than season sux.

Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: Holly Golightly on Aug 24, 2002 at 12:26 AM
Re Dawn: Ack! Why is everyone on this show getting blonder and blonder? Die Dawn die!
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: acidburn on Aug 24, 2002 at 01:35 AM
well, it must be part of the whole slayer in training deal. A good wanna be slayer just HAS to be blond.  ;D

actually i could deal with the hair as long as she doesn't say "get out get OUT GET OUT!" again. ever.
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: Mr. Hankey on Aug 26, 2002 at 05:39 PM
The following conversation is true. It took place over lunch. The actual names of the parties involved have been changed to protect the innocent.

Killer Bunny: "I heard Buffy is ending after this season?"

Mr. Hankey: "Nah, I read they're probably going to continue without Sarah Michelle Gellar."

Killer Bunny (terrified look in her eyes): "No!!! Not with Dawn!!! She's the S c r a p p y  D o o of that series!!!

 ;D

Altogether now: "Dawn-y Powerrrrr! Tadada-dat Ta-dah!"  8)
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: acidburn on Aug 27, 2002 at 01:42 AM
Well, there are many similarities. They're both relatives who suddenly appeared out of nowhere and both are absolutely annoying. I can just imagine dawn out on patrol saying "Let me at em, let me at em!"and "i'll splat 'em". ;D

BTW,since this is pinoyDVD after all, some buffy DVD news courtesy of dark horizons:

Buffy (TV): 'bigpoppasmurf' had a chance to chat briefly with Joss Whedon at the San Diego Comic Con and asked him about his doing more commentary tracks, here's his report: "He informed me that he had really warmed up to the idea of doing commentaries and enjoys it now. He also dropped the fact that he recorded 2 commentaries for the Once More With Feeling episode. I asked him if I would have to wait until the season 6 DVD set came out, and he said it may be coming out sooner than that, possibly as it's own separate disc. He's still working on the details though".

Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: gumby on Aug 27, 2002 at 07:44 AM
I can't wait for season 7! With all the rumors and the spoilers, the waiting's driving me crazy!

Last night's episode was "Tough Love", the first of the last four episodes of season five. It was an intense first parter - Willow and Tara's first fight, Glory mindsucking Tara, Willow versus Glory, and that shocking ending! Finally, Glory knows who the darn Key is!

Next week is "Spiral", featuring IMHO one of the best fight sequences of all time. Absolutely pulse pounding! It ranks up there with the Buffy/Angel fight in "Becoming Part 2" and the Buffy/Faith brawl in "Graduation Day Part 1"!
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: pagan on Aug 27, 2002 at 12:03 PM
I can't wait for season 7! With all the rumors and the spoilers, the waiting's driving me crazy!

Yes, yes, yes.  Me, too!  I'm such a spoiler 'ho, I swear.  Serves me right.

Quote
Next week is "Spiral", featuring IMHO one of the best fight sequences of all time. Absolutely pulse pounding! It ranks up there with the Buffy/Angel fight in "Becoming Part 2" and the Buffy/Faith brawl in "Graduation Day Part 1"!

"Spiral" was so scary, in the sense that they're all in danger nearly every second.  Everything looked so hopeless and .. hay naku, just watch it na lang guys.
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: Holly Golightly on Aug 27, 2002 at 12:29 PM
and angel wants the "COPS S*CK" sign still intact. i'll just pretend this isn't slashy.

It's not, actually..  it's just.. hmmm... y'know.  ;)

Late reaction because I wasn't in town for "Dead End": Maybe Angel bought an outfit. :)
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: utoy on Aug 27, 2002 at 01:19 PM
Yes! I saw the trailer. Mad props to Studio 23! I'm almost tempted to read advanced eps but I think I'll wait it out. Anticipation burns calories.  ;)
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: The Stig on Aug 27, 2002 at 06:35 PM
i have a question for all you buffy gurus ;)

this is regarding season 2 and the introduction of kendra. maybe i didn't quite understand it but was she given up by her parents to the watchers at the onset of her powers or was it before that? and if so how did they know she would become a slayer?

hope to get an answer from you guys. thanks :)
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: sungit on Aug 27, 2002 at 06:40 PM
am i weird? i really find spike hot.  ;D love the fake british accent ;D
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: acidburn on Aug 27, 2002 at 06:47 PM
Based on the watcher's guide volume 1, (ok, i just outed myself as a full blown buffy geek  ::) ) Kendra's people were aware of vampires and her parent's knew that she was destined to become a slayer so they sent her to be trained by her watcher sam zabuto at a very early age. She was then "activated" when buffy died the first time.

i have no idea how they knew though. magic?   ???  ;D
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: The Stig on Aug 27, 2002 at 06:50 PM
i know what you mean, about the accent i mean ;D i think they modeled him and drusilla after sid and nancy. and it's really weird hearing james marsters and juliet landau without their cockney accents ;D
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: sungit on Aug 27, 2002 at 07:01 PM
c'mon hajime, say it: SPIKE IS HOT! ;D
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: Holly Golightly on Aug 27, 2002 at 07:04 PM
am i weird? i really find spike hot.  ;D love the fake british accent ;D

No you're not. So do I. :)

BTW, TVGuide.com has a poll on who's hotter, James or Nicky Brendon. Go here (http://www.tvguide.com/games/yst/) to vote.

Love Nicky but James4Evah!
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: Holly Golightly on Aug 27, 2002 at 07:07 PM
i have no idea how they knew though. magic?   ???  ;D

There's supposed to be a mole at her back that Joyce had removed when she was very young. Or that could be from the movie na. :)
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: acidburn on Aug 27, 2002 at 07:23 PM
*sigh* i am surrounded by spike lovers. For the record, i liked him better when he was a real villain.

as for james marsters, honestly, doesn't  the knowledge that he doesn't wear underwear just make you go eeew?

 ;D

oh hey, james pic for you guys

http://delta.humberc.on.ca/ppt_streaming/yapps/planc/sfx/james1.jpg

BTW, does anyone know if the David letterman show episodes they're airing now are current? last time i tuned in they were still talking abotu who would win the world cup. Anyway, was asking 'cause eliza dushku is supposed to be a guest on tuesday and she's making the big annoncement abuot whether she's coming back to buffy or not.
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: The Stig on Aug 27, 2002 at 07:27 PM
c'mon hajime, say it: SPIKE IS HOT! ;D

no,no,no i'm sticking to my masculinity and i'm making a stand by saying i don't find him hot at all ;D

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There's supposed to be a mole at her back that Joyce had removed when she was very young. Or that could be from the movie na.

i'm sorry holly, who had the mole?
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: The Stig on Aug 27, 2002 at 07:39 PM
Based on the watcher's guide volume 1, (ok, i just outed myself as a full blown buffy geek  ::) )

no problem acid, i just don't believe that you think you didn't out yourself eons ago ;D

btw congratulations doktora ;)
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: Mr. Hankey on Aug 27, 2002 at 07:46 PM
Based on the watcher's guide volume 1, (ok, i just outed myself as a full blown buffy geek

If that's the criterion for "full blown buffy geek," then what do you call someone who has The Watcher's Guide Volumes 1&2, The Sunnydale High Yearbook, Buffy The Vampire Slayer: The Monster Book, and a well-preserved copy of the EW  "All About Buffy" issue?   :o
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: Holly Golightly on Aug 27, 2002 at 08:34 PM
Based on the watcher's guide volume 1, (ok, i just outed myself as a full blown buffy geek

If that's the criterion for "full blown buffy geek," then what do you call someone who has The Watcher's Guide Volumes 1&2, The Sunnydale High Yearbook, Buffy The Vampire Slayer: The Monster Book, and a well-preserved copy of the EW  "All About Buffy" issue?   :o

A BIIIIG geek. :)

Acidburn: No, it doesn't. :D And MMMMMMMmmmm. I already have that picture, but MMMMMMMmmmmm just the same.

Hajime: Buffy, the character.
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: acidburn on Aug 27, 2002 at 08:35 PM

no problem acid, i just don't believe that you think you didn't out yourself eons ago ;D

btw congratulations doktora ;)

and here i thought i hid it so well.  ;D salamat.


If that's the criterion for "full blown buffy geek," then what do you call someone who has The Watcher's Guide Volumes 1&2, The Sunnydale High Yearbook, Buffy The Vampire Slayer: The Monster Book, and a well-preserved copy of the EW  "All About Buffy" issue?   :o

well, you take buffy geekdom to another level  ;D
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: sungit on Aug 27, 2002 at 09:38 PM
hey that's right acid... congrats on your being a duktura! read it on the other message board and your mum told me mum (in case you don't know who i am, just ask PJ -- whose posts i miss a lot! ;)).

about letterman, they just aired two-weeks worth of reruns last week. i think it's a cycle they have for late night shows, just to give dave and the writers a break. eliza, i believe, will be appearing tonight.

spike kasi looks like someone i just can't put my finger on it. and i like him more than angel... i don't take to brooders that much.  ;D but animal magnetism yes!
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: acidburn on Aug 28, 2002 at 12:37 AM
thanks!  ;D and of course i know you, PJ told me when i first signed up here.

and about spike looking like something you know...you sure it's not just the bleached hair?  ;)

edited to add some more buffy news:

At SFX last Sunday, Nick Brendan was asked whether the cast was signed to Season 8. His reply...

Nick, Alyson and James are signed through Season 9. He said that didn't guarantee 2 more years of BTVS after this year, but if it did they were certainly up for it.

personally, i would prefer that BTVS end after this season than see it do an xfiles.
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: sungit on Aug 28, 2002 at 01:19 AM
you never know. david caruso left NYPDBlue and it still survived. jolina magdangal left Arriba-Arriba and it's still going on in ABS-CBN (unfortunately).

i suppose i just find british accents sexy. and i think "paul" in rent looks more like justin timberlake. hehe ;D
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: Mr. Hankey on Aug 28, 2002 at 01:45 AM
you never know. david caruso left NYPDBlue and it still survived.

Many shows survive departures of main characters. Most famously, people were concerned about Shelley Long's departure from "Cheers", which actually revitalized the show. Next season, Noah Wyle will be the only original cast member who's been on all seasons of "ER". "M*A*S*H" and "Charlie's Angels" also went through various cast revisions, to varied degrees of success.

The main difference, though, is that in none of these cases was the show actually named after the departing character.

But historically, this has happened to a title character in a series. After her dispute with the show's producers, Valerie Harper was fired from her show "Valerie", which was a family sitcom where she played the mother. So the following season, they replaced her with Sandy Duncan and the show was retitled "Valerie's Family". That was a transition title, and the year after that, the show's title was again changed to "The Hogan Family."

Getting back on-topic, I would never watch a "Dawn, The Teenage Slayer" spin-off. But if Eliza Dushku's movie career takes a nosedive in the next 10 months... count me THERE for "You Gotta Have Faith".  8)
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: kings5504 on Aug 28, 2002 at 08:19 AM
personally, i would prefer that BTVS end after this season than see it do an xfiles.

my thoughts exactly...
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: kings5504 on Aug 28, 2002 at 08:22 AM
Getting back on-topic, I would never watch a "Dawn, The Teenage Slayer" spin-off. But if Eliza Dushku's movie career takes a nosedive in the next 10 months... count me THERE for "You Gotta Have Faith".  8)

I would never watch "Dawn the Vampire Slayer", but would stay glued to the TV for "Faith the Vampire Slayer"!!!   ;D
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: Holly Golightly on Aug 28, 2002 at 10:50 AM
personally, i would prefer that BTVS end after this season than see it do an xfiles.

my thoughts exactly...

For those spoiled up to the end of S6 only:
[color=#EEEEE]So you don't think it's jumped the shark yet? Because I do. It should have ended S5. If it were to continue, I want Marti Noxious OUT OF THERE.
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Also, I wouldn't mind the loss of SMG, cause I don't tune in to see her anyways. As a presence, SMG's more of a take-her-or-leave-her for me. Aly's a MUCH better actress. And presence-and-charisma wise, she gets totally snowed over by JM and ASH. So kebs kung mawala siya. Am more concerned with the loss of any new stories. The well's going dry, people.
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: The Stig on Aug 28, 2002 at 06:26 PM
saw letterman at lunchtime. one of his guests was eliza dushku looking hot as ever :o alas no news regarding BtVS though
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: acidburn on Aug 28, 2002 at 09:28 PM
yeah, saw that too. I guess they really wanted publicity for the movie. darn.

Holly: totally agree with you re: SMG. I actually started watching buffy because of willow. I miss quirky funny willow.
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: Mr. Hankey on Aug 29, 2002 at 12:59 AM
Holly: totally agree with you re: SMG. I actually started watching buffy because of willow. I miss quirky funny willow.

I completely disagree with both of you. Sarah is what keeps me glued to the screen - looks, acting, presence, charisma... the whole package. I find it funny... it's common for me to find that women aren't fond of SMG, but ALL GUYS are.

(Back me up here, guys...  ;D )
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: The Stig on Aug 29, 2002 at 11:46 AM
consider yourself backed ;D
Title: S7 Promo
Post by: Holly Golightly on Aug 29, 2002 at 12:16 PM
Just so we're clear, I still don't give a rat's ass about S7. That said, the new season promo is  here (http://www.buffy-tv.de/cgi-bin/downloader.cgi?site=1&filename=buffy/promo_S7.zip). Arrggghh. Mostly S6 footage, but three shots are new, I think. And Dawn's still non-dead. What's up with that?
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: pagan on Aug 29, 2002 at 03:28 PM
Hmm.. it seems that most of the shots are from Season 6.  Darn.  I wanna see footage from the first few S7 eps...

</excited>
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: Holly Golightly on Aug 29, 2002 at 06:07 PM
Casting spoiler:

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http://news.eliza-dushku.com/


Dushku staked out for 'Buffy'
Aug. 29, 2002

It's good news for "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" fans: Evil vampire slayer Faith is set to return to the UPN drama series. Eliza Dushku has signed on to reprise her role as Faith this season in five episodes of "Buffy" and three episodes of the WB Network's spinoff "Angel," both from writer-producer Joss Whedon and 20th Century Fox TV. Dushku appeared on "Buffy" alongside the show's star Sarah Michelle Gellar from 1998-2000. She also guest-starred as Faith on "Angel." The actress' busy feature schedule has kept her away from the "Buffy" franchise, but now she has committed to appear in the final five episodes of the original series this season. There has been speculation that this might be "Buffy's" last year, but reps for the studio stress that no decision has been made. Dushku's feature credits include "Bring It On" and "Soul Survivors." The actress, who is shooting "Wrong Turn," next appears in "City by the Sea" opposite Robert De Niro and Frances McDormand. She is repped by ICM and the Firm. (Nellie Andreeva)
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<waiting for the boys to go apesh!t>
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: Mr. Hankey on Aug 29, 2002 at 06:23 PM
<waiting for the boys to go apesh!t>

[size=8]apesh!t[/size]

 ;D
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: Dan on Aug 29, 2002 at 08:40 PM
Holly: totally agree with you re: SMG. I actually started watching buffy because of willow. I miss quirky funny willow.

I completely disagree with both of you. Sarah is what keeps me glued to the screen - looks, acting, presence, charisma... the whole package. I find it funny... it's common for me to find that women aren't fond of SMG, but ALL GUYS are.

(Back me up here, guys...  ;D )



backing you up while going apecrap over Eliza's return!!![/size]
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: gumby on Aug 29, 2002 at 08:41 PM
That was a nice posting coup, Holly - as ever you're my heroine!  ;D

Though I won't be as er blunt as Mr. Hankey, I totally mimic his emotions - it's freaking about time!
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: acidburn on Aug 29, 2002 at 10:54 PM
some more news re: eliza dushku

the episodes of angel and buffy she's going to be in will apparently involve a cross-over plot and it's going to be near the end of the season.

darn. this means we have to stick it out till the end even if the season sucks.  ::)


end of news.

Now regarding SMG, it's not that i don't find her hot and talented and stuff. i just like willow more.  ;D

re:  the promo.

i watched it the other day (or was it yesterday?) and all i can say is "back to school, back to cool" is totally lame. who thinks up these ads? they sound like the ads for RPN 9.
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: pagan on Aug 30, 2002 at 02:45 PM
re:  the promo.

i watched it the other day (or was it yesterday?) and all i can say is "back to school, back to cool" is totally lame. who thinks up these ads?
Maybe the same people who write for the buffy.com site?    :-\

Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: acidburn on Sep 02, 2002 at 05:09 AM
Speaking of the S7 promo....

Anyone else notice that they digitally erased Tara/Amber Benson from all the scenes in the Promo that she was in?

They didn't even bother doing it cleanly 'cause the shots were very obvious (if you slo mo the clip and obsessively view it frame by frame  ;D ) IMO that was totally unnecessary since most of the writers and even Joss Whedon said she'd be back. Besides, they could have used other clips instead.  Conspiracy or just the work of the dimwitted marketting staff that came up with "back to cool, back to school"?  ;D

oh hey! for all you spoiler sluts out there. I just found a nifty site that compiles all known/reliable spoilers for buffy, angel, alias and smallville. Kinda like spoiler slayer only more diverse.

http://www.spoilersluts.com/show-buffy.html

nice pics of sunnydale high.

and just because i had nothing better to do. If buffy's crew is the scooby gang. What happens if they come up with Dawn the vampire slayer? Will we call her friends the S c r a p p y gang?  ;D

Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: gumby on Sep 02, 2002 at 07:37 AM
and just because i had nothing better to do. If buffy's crew is the scooby gang. What happens if they come up with Dawn the vampire slayer? Will we call her friends the S c r a p p y gang?  ;D

You forgot to take away the "S" in "Scrappy", acidburn!  ;D
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: pagan on Sep 03, 2002 at 12:15 PM
Was that a really kick@$s episode of Buffy last night or what?  The action was non-stop, I was at the edge of my seat.

I have a question, though.  How on earth did those knights get into Sunnydale without incident?  I mean, hello!  An entire army in chain mail and with swords?

Still, they were fun to see on horseback, chasing after the scoobies.

"Aim for the horsies!"
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: gumby on Sep 03, 2002 at 01:27 PM
Last night's episode had, IMHO, one of the best fight scenes in TV or movie history! Buffy swinging that sword - geez, what a shot!

Spike was also in excellent form - I liked his little gestures like screaming everytime he used his hands or wincing everytime a ray of sunlight would hit him - not one scene did he botch up!

Xander was useless but hey - that's a good thing! His humor would've been too distracting for the seriousness of the episode.

Dawn, for the first time, is beautiful in this episode. Was it the lighting? The shadows? In some scenes, she's more beautiful than SMG!

Anya - you go girl! No one can use a frying pan like she did!

Willow - "don't hit the horsies?" Even in the midst of such odds, she didn't go out of character.

The title ("Spiral") was very appropriate as things went downhill from start to finish. I can't wait for the next episode!
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: utoy on Sep 03, 2002 at 02:09 PM
aargh! i wanna be a spoiler man-whore!
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: pagan on Sep 04, 2002 at 12:17 PM
Next week's Buffy the Vampire Slayer..

The Weight of the World (Episode 5-21)
With Dawn captured, Glory's victory seems imminent.  Buffy's failure to protect her sister has sent her to a state of shock and her friends begin to fear they have lost her as well.

It's the last episode before the grand season finale, so watchitwatchitwatchit.

For yummy non-spoilery screen captures of the episode, click on over to Tabula Rasa (http://pinoyslayer.tripod.com/).  Drop by the message board (http://pinoyslayer.tripod.com/cgi-bin/bbs.cgi) too to say 'hi'.  ;)
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: acidburn on Sep 04, 2002 at 12:23 PM
some Buffy related news....

Scooby-Doo' co-stars Sarah Michelle Gellar and Freddie Prinze Jr. wed in Mexico

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20020903/ap_wo_en_po/us_people_gellar_prinze_1


this time it's for real aparently.
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: utoy on Sep 04, 2002 at 01:38 PM
Are we still concerned about Studio 23 showing unsynched BTVS and Angel?
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: X-®an™ on Sep 04, 2002 at 06:47 PM
Holly: totally agree with you re: SMG. I actually started watching buffy because of willow. I miss quirky funny willow.

I completely disagree with both of you. Sarah is what keeps me glued to the screen - looks, acting, presence, charisma... the whole package. I find it funny... it's common for me to find that women aren't fond of SMG, but ALL GUYS are.

(Back me up here, guys...  ;D )


Apparently NOT ALL guys are Mr. Hankey! :P   In the past, I was happily living ignoring Buffy cause I really don't dig SMG (kept on having flashbacks of that Buffy in the movie, can't exactly recall who, Kristy Swanson?).  Chanced upon Faith guesting one time (Season 5?), and boy was I hooked!

If I were to rank the Girls of Buffy (hmmmm... wonderful title for a Playboy issue), Buffy's rank would be lower than those of Faith's, Anya, and Glory... (I'm not yet that much of a fan so I can't name the others :))


Anxiously anticipating the next guesting of Faith,

 8) X-Ran 8)
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: X-®an™ on Sep 04, 2002 at 06:54 PM
Are we still concerned about Studio 23 showing unsynched BTVS and Angel?

Count my vote for synchronizing the schedule of the two shows... back-to-back schedules perhaps (just like in Star)?

One question though: if you buy the season DVDs, do you also get to have the episodes of Angel where you have cross-overs?




 8) X-Ran 358 8)
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: acidburn on Sep 04, 2002 at 07:47 PM
No you don't. Angel has DVDs too so you have to buy those to watch the crossovers.
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: Mr. Hankey on Sep 04, 2002 at 07:55 PM
Are we still concerned about Studio 23 showing unsynched BTVS and Angel?

Count my vote for synchronizing the schedule of the two shows... back-to-back schedules perhaps (just like in Star)?


No need to synchronize anymore. Except for Angel Season Two Finale where one Buffy cast member will make an uncredited cameo (that's not much of a spoiler, is it?), the shows run independently at this point, since there are no crossovers for Buffy S6/Angel S3 due to network conflicts. Looks like there may be some interaction between the two shows again for B S7/A S4, due to the "Faith" announcement. We'll have to wait and see, though.

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One question though: if you buy the season DVDs, do you also get to have the episodes of Angel where you have cross-overs?

No you don't. You're expected to buy the Angel Season DVDs as a boxed sets, too. But I can't stand that show, so I settled for taping the crossover episodes off StarWorld when they aired.
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: sungit on Sep 04, 2002 at 08:00 PM
Buffy got married na ;D
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: acidburn on Sep 04, 2002 at 08:57 PM
yup to her "Prinze" charming.  ;D sorry couldn't resist.
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: pagan on Sep 05, 2002 at 01:19 PM
Buffy got married na ;D

What? When.. Buffy?

Oh, you mean, Sarah Michelle Gellar.. Whew!
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: Redmary on Sep 08, 2002 at 10:48 AM
Hello, people! The usually net-challenged me driving by.

acidburn Agh! I will not click! No spoilers for me. (Now let's see how long that lasts for me... hahaha)

Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: acidburn on Sep 09, 2002 at 10:24 PM
season 7 comment. Not really spoilery just my opinion. You've been warned though.

well, just read a summary of the season 7 opener from someone who watched an advanced copy. If it's true, all i can say is HO hum and anvils galore. Looks like dear old Jossy has run out  of ideas.
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: pagan on Sep 11, 2002 at 10:06 AM
Hey, I just created a thread for Angel season 3 (http://www.pinoydvd.com/yabbse/index.php?board=1;action=display;threadid=6278)!  Now you can get things off your chest..

WARNING!  This thread should only be read for those who have seen Angel season 3, unless you wanna be spoiled big time!
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: sungit on Sep 11, 2002 at 08:14 PM
FROM EW.COM:

What's At Stake

 
Five reasons ''Buffy'' gets snubbed by the Emmys -- It's more than a teen show. So why did it earn just one measly nomination? Ken Tucker explains

If it's getting close to Emmy Awards time (Sept. 22), that means it's another year when one of the best-written, -acted, and -directed shows on the air gets ignored. I'm talking, of course, about ''Buffy the Vampire Slayer,'' whose new season on UPN begins Sept. 24. Before that, however, ''Buffy'' and its creator, Joss Whedon, must suffer through the indignity of watching lesser shows like ''The Shield'' and ''Six Feet Under'' rack up nominations. Why? Here are five reasons ''Buffy'' gets no -- or too little -- respect.

1. It's called ''Buffy the Vampire Slayer.'' You think I'm kidding, but hidebound Emmy voters still cannot imagine that a show about attractive young people driving wooden stakes through blood-sucking fiends could possibly have the resonance of more ''realistic'' shows like ''West Wing'' or ''NYPD Blue.'' No matter that, say, everyone on the ''Wing'' is also an all-attractive cast, or that ''The Shield'' is like the first season of ''NYPD Blue'' but without the emotional depth ''Blue'''s David Milch brought to it. ''Buffy,'' based on a lousy movie, has never been able to overcome the perception that it is, at best, a teen show.

2. It's funny; it's dramatic; it's scary. All good qualities, right? Well, not when you're trying to decide which category to place a show in for Emmy consideration. As an hour-long show with lotsa laffs, it doesn't fit in as a comedy nominee. But as an extravagantly dramatic show that explores adolescent and post-adolescent traumas better than any series since ''My So-Called Life,'' it's also not quite ''grown-up'' enough to draw in adult Emmy voters. And as for the scary quotient -- well, TV shows that say ''Boo!'' even as artfully as ''Buffy'' does, just don't register as serious enough on Emmy radar.

3. It's on UPN. And before that, it was on the WB. Neither network is known to produce an awful lot of Emmy-worthy work (''Gilmore Girls'' on the WB excepted). There's snobbery at work here, an inability of nominators to see beyond the usual ABC, NBC, and CBS broadcasters, with HBO prevailing over all as the quality behemoth. This year's nominations for F/X's ''The Shield'' may actually help overcome some of this shortsightedness.

4. It gets just enough recognition for voters to ignore it. By this I mean ''Buffy'''s stand-out episode this past season, the all-musical ''Once More With Feeling,'' has been nominated, in the Outstanding Musical Direction category. That's like throwing a bone to the show, when actually Whedon's remarkable collection of original compositions and the surprisingly effective vocal performances of its cast make it all the more infuriating that the series isn't represented in more high-profile categories.

5. It's got some supernatural bad luck. Whedon's name was left off the Emmy ballot in the writing category: ''Buffy'' producers reportedly thought Whedon was handling his own nominating process; Whedon apparently believed the producers were doing this. When the mistake was realized, the Emmy committee was -- to give them some credit -- eager to make amends, and it sent out an addendum ballot to Emmy voters. No luck. Any way you look at it, the show seems jinxed.

What isn't jinxed is the show's quality. I've seen the season premiere: It's a corker, full of surprises, lighter in tone than last season's occasionally lugubrious one, and offering a perfect opportunity for new viewers, intimidated by the show's backstory, to climb aboard and find out why the rest of us love ''Buffy'' so much.



any thoughts? ;D
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: acidburn on Sep 11, 2002 at 11:26 PM
#1 reason for joss not getting an emmy: Karma  ::)

excuse me, still bitter about season sux... i mean 6.  ;D

Admittedly, he deserved an emmy for the musical episode.  He also deserved an emmy for the Body in season 5. Darn stuck up emmy folk and their love of NBC and HBO.
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: utoy on Sep 12, 2002 at 10:05 AM
Screw the Emmy's!!!

Wala lang. Just echoing the general BtVS audience sentiment. I'm unspoiled for Buffy e, although I've seen the musical which I think is brilliant and a huh?!?season-ender which I've already forgotten.
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: pagan on Sep 12, 2002 at 12:14 PM
I've seen the musical which I think is brilliant and a huh?!?season-ender which I've already forgotten.

Behold the brilliance of BtVS.  Even when it's "huh?", it's still better than most other stuff on TV.  I had a few non-Buffy watching friends over, and I made them see the last 5 eps of Season 6, and they thoroughly enjoyed it.  I made them watch OMWF, too, and they also thought it rocked.
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: Holly Golightly on Sep 12, 2002 at 02:31 PM
I'm baaaaack, baby. Missed me?

Acidburn - Nyahahaha. Karma indeed. Although I'm annoyed at Joss for abandoning BtVS to Marti's tender mercies (barf) I do feel sorry for the little b@stard, because the Emmy slap was such a cold, hard slap in the face. Not sorry enough to feel sad if and when Firefly tanks like a...tank, but sorry. :) Twas a fabulous ep, and it only got one nomination. Hells Bells got the other three, and WTF for?

Another review of 7.1 is up at Movie Pöòp Shoot (http://www.moviepoopshoot.com/news/sep02/35.html), the rocking new site from Kevin "Dogma" Smith. Go for the review (if you're spoiled, I mean), stay for the other articles.
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: pagan on Sep 12, 2002 at 03:38 PM
Another review of 7.1 is up at Movie Pöòp Shoot (http://www.moviepoopshoot.com/news/sep02/35.html), the rocking new site from Kevin "Dogma" Smith. Go for the review (if you're spoiled, I mean), stay for the other articles.

Thanks for the link.  I started reading it .. then I just had to stop.  Why?  I just realized this was just too important (for me, anyway) to be spoiled for.

Anyway, I'm keeping my fingers crossed.
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: Holly Golightly on Sep 12, 2002 at 04:02 PM
Whaaa? You didn't read the spoilers I sent you? <foot tapping>
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: pagan on Sep 12, 2002 at 05:35 PM
Whaaa? You didn't read the spoilers I sent you? <foot tapping>

No, I can't!

*channelling Kirk*
Must.. not.. read.. spoilers!  Must .. wait .. for season premier!
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: Mr. Hankey on Sep 15, 2002 at 09:05 PM
I think Studio 23 is pretty stupid.

I just saw the trailer for tomorrow's Season Finale, and SPOILER (Highlight to read): After they do a voice-over saying "Someone must make the ultimate sacrifice," they actually show Buffy jumping off the tower, plunging to her death.

Is that just plain nuts or what?
Title: Studio 23's spoilery trailer for the season finale?
Post by: pagan on Sep 16, 2002 at 08:22 AM
WHAT!!!

Those .. those.. fiends!  Holly, can you confirm?
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: gumby on Sep 16, 2002 at 09:30 AM
Yep, I saw the trailer at the end of last week's episode. It was soooo disappointing and soooo careless of Ch23!  >:(
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: Holly Golightly on Sep 16, 2002 at 11:03 AM
I haven't seen it. But the original plug DIDN'T give it away, gumby. (We can analyze it frame by frame at the next thon, if you like.) But then Buffybot sent me this irate text to the effect that they changed/extended the plug last night. If so, arrrgh. Amy smash.
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: pagan on Sep 16, 2002 at 04:43 PM
I knew we should've sent that petition letter.  Y'know, petitioned them to make sure their promos were non-spoilery, and maybe even threated the execs with unspeakable torment in some hell dimension..
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: Dan on Sep 16, 2002 at 08:13 PM
Hey Pagan! You back! You have defeated the germs! You are triumphant! ;D
I saw the S23 teaser (or should I say: "spoiler"  :o ?) Yup. They did show everything. Buffy jumping into the abyss. Everything. Might as well not see the EP 'coz we already know and seen the scene. NOT!  >:(
Where do they get the people who edit these teasers, anyway? No sense of suspense.
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: pagan on Sep 17, 2002 at 09:39 AM
Hey Pagan! You back! You have defeated the germs! You are triumphant! ;D

Thanks for the support, I have not defeated them fully, but I will soon!  Curse this .. whatever sickness this is!

Quote
I saw the S23 teaser (or should I say: "spoiler"  :o ?) Yup. They did show everything. Buffy jumping into the abyss. Everything. Might as well not see the EP 'coz we already know and seen the scene. NOT!  >:(
Where do they get the people who edit these teasers, anyway? No sense of suspense.

Darn the people who made those promos!  We cannot let them get away with this..

</thinking evil thoughts>
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: Holly Golightly on Sep 17, 2002 at 12:49 PM
James Marsters and Anthony Stewart Head are the BEST FRICKIN'  ACTORS ON TELEVISION. That is all.
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: pagan on Sep 18, 2002 at 09:07 AM
Hey, Redmary!  How's about you post your dissection of that montage in "The Gift"?
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: Redmary on Sep 18, 2002 at 11:04 PM
OK, Pagan!

Coming up, a clip-by-clip of the "Previously on Buffy the Vampire Slayer" special montage in the season five finale... (thanks, Adobe Premiere!)

1. "To each generation a slayer is born" - Welcome to the Hellmouth
2. "Why don't we start with, hi I'm Buffy?" - Welcome to the Hellmouth
3. "Xander" - WTTH
4. "Cordelia" - WTTH
5. "Willow, right?" - WTTH
6. "Mr. Giles" - WTTH
7. "Angel"
8. Vampyr book - WTTH
9. Catherine Madison as Amy - The Witch
10. Moloch - I Robot You Jane
11. The Anointed One - NKABOTFD?
12. <a glowy-eyed dog thing I can't remember what it is>
13. Angel and Buffy's first kiss - Angel
14. Angel morphs and Buffy screams - Angel
15. Sid the dummy - The Puppet Show
16. Xander's clown - Nightmares
17. Buffy knocks out Giles - Prophecy Girl
18. Master bites Buffy - Prophecy Girl
19. Buffy drops dead on little lagoon thing - Prophecy Girl
20. Master rises - Prophecy Girl
21. Ugly snakey things that come out of Hellmouth - Prophecy Girl
22. Buffy wakes up - Prophecy Girl
23. "I may be dead, but I'm still pretty" shot - Prophecy Girl
24. Master falls to his death - Prophecy Girl
25. Black minion burns - When She Was Bad
26. Buffy grinds Master bones - When She Was Bad
27. Frankenstein boy - Some Assembly Required
28. Welcome to Sunnydale sign gets run over - School Hard
29. Spike's intro - School Hard
30. Ampata in mummy form - Inca Mummy Girl
31. Reptile monster - Reptile Boy
32. Ethan Rayne and the chaos head - Halloween
33. Angel absorbing Eyghon - The Dark Age
34. Spike carrying Dru - What's My Line 1
35. Kendra - WML 1
36. Man of Bugs - WML 2
37. Ted - Ted
38. Mommy Bezoar - Bad Eggs
39. Angel wakes up - Surprise
40. Rocket launcher - Innocence
41. Judge blown up - Innocence
42. Willow catches Cordy and Xander - Innocence
43. Willow and Oz kiss - Phases
44. Amy's love spell - Bewitched Bothered and Bewildered
45. Angelus snaps Jenny's neck - Passion
46. The cops are at Giles' - Passion
47. Der Kinderstood - Killed By Death
48. James the ghost with issues - I Only Have Eyes For You
49. Gage! The fish boy - Go Fish
50. "You will come to him, or more will die!" - Becoming 1
51. Angel awakens Acathla - Becoming 2
52. Willow and the restoration spell - Becoming 2
53. Buffy sends Angel to hell - Becoming 2
54. Cordy and Xander make out while patroling - Anne
55. Buffy's back - Dead Man's Party
56. Trick - Faith Hope and Trick
57. Naked Angel falls from hell - Faith Hope and Trick
58. Possibly a close-up of Oz in werewolf form's eye?
59. Willow and Xander kiss in formal wear - Homecoming
60. Joyce and Giles kiss - Band Candy
61. Spike mocks Angel behind Joyce's back - Lovers Walk
62. Gwendolyn Post gets zapped - Revelations
63. Anyanka - The Wish
64. Christmas morning snow - Amends
65. Amy rats herself - Gingerbread
66. Xander accidentally decapitates zombie - The Zeppo
67. Buffy dreams that Faith is drowning her - Consequences
68. Faith joins the Mayor - Consequences
69. Cordy scares Wesley in the ladies' room - Doppelgangland
70. Vamp Willow - Doppelgangland
71. The sorcerer who faked the de-souling of Angel - Enemies
72. Xander and the jell-o - Earshot
73. Hell dogs - The Prom
74. Faith falls from her penthouse - Graduation Day
75. Angel drinks from Buffy - Graduation Day 2
76. Big Snake Mayor - Graduation Day 2
77. School explosion - Graduation Day 2
78. Angel's wordless goodbye - Graduation Day 2
79. Buffy in college - The Freshman
80. Initiative boy - The Freshman
81. Kathy's skin peels off - Living Conditions
82. Buffy wakes up - Living Conditions
83. Kathy or her demon family - Living Conditions
84. Xander squirts fruit juice at the nekkid Anya - Harsh Light of Day
85. Harmony's a vamp - Harsh Light of Day
86. Kathy or her demon family (again!) - Living Conditions
87. Oz wolfing out in bathtub - Fear Itself
88. Skeleton - Fear Itself
89. Anya in the bunny suit - Fear Itself
90. "Bats!" - Fear Itself
91. Spider on Willow - Fear Itself
92. Giles in Mexican getup - Fear Itself
93. Giles falling down <not sure from where>
94. Oz pulls Veruca into his cage - Wild At Heart
95. Werewolf - Wild At Heart
96. Spike gets caught - Wild At Heart
97. Riley in Initiative gear - The Initiative
98. Spike attacks Willow - The Initiative
99. Buffy dusts a vamp - The Initiative?
100. D'Hoffryn abducts Willow - Something Blue
101. Riley - Hush
102. Willow and Tara - Hush
103. The Gentlemen - Hush
104. Giles as a demon - A New Man
105. Room 314 - The I in Team
106. Adam kills Maggie Walsh - The I in Team
107. Spike with his thumbs up <not sure where>
108. Adam - Goodbye Iowa
109. Faith gets up from grave - This Year's Girl
110. Faith wakes up - This Year's Girl
111. Faith as Buffy in front of bathroom mirror - Who Are You
112. Buffy and Faith switch back - Who Are You
113. Book lights up in Xander's hand <can't remember where that happened>
114. Branches growing under door - Where The Wild Things Are
115. Fireplace - Where The Wild Things Are
116. Ghost passes through Anya - Where The Wild Things Are
117. Willow sees dead people - WTWTA
118. Oz gets zapped by Initiative boys - New Moon Rising
119. Buffy in cave - The Yoko Factor
120. Initiative headquarters chaos - Primeval
121. Forrest with demon parts - Primeval
122. More Initiative chaos - Primeval
123. The spell - Primeval
124. Buffy gets everyone's essence - Primeval
125. Buffy turns bullets into birds - Primeval
126. Buffy pulls out Adam's power source - Primeval
127. First Slayer - Restless
128. Willow and Tara in the back of the ice cream truck - Restless
129. Cheese Man, First Slayer and Buffy - Restless
130. "Mom!" - Buffy vs Dracula
131. Harmony's "Slayer, come out and die" note - Real Me
132. Dawn - Real Me
133. Joyce - Real Me
134. Demon that split Xander - The Replacement
135. Spike's "operation" - Out Of My Mind
136. Buffy's trance - No Place Like Home
137. Transparent Dawn - No Place Like Home
138. Glory - No Place Like Home
139. Willow and Tara floating at the Bronze - Family
140. Spike wakes up from Buffy dream - Out Of My Mind
141. Giant cobra - Shadow
142. Demons and Joyce - Listening To Fear
143. Riley at the door - Listening to Fear?
144. Buffy chases helicopter - Into The Woods
145. Buffy kills lotsa vamps - Into The Woods
146. Ben morphs into Glory - Blood Ties
147. Willow and Anya accidentally summon Olaf - Triangle
148. Glory - Triangle?
149. Willow zaps Glory into the sky - Blood Ties
150. Spike and Buffy in his crypt - Blood Ties
151. Dawn looking sad - Blood Ties?
152. April swinging a block of wood - I Was Made To Love You
153. Buffy hugs Puffy Xander - I Was Made To Love You
154. Joyce on the couch - The Body
155. Buffy with the cordless phone - The Body
156. Willow and Tara kiss - The Body
157. "Death is your gift" - Intervention
158. Buffybot - Intervention
159. Glory brainsucks Tara - Tough Love
160. "I. Owe. You. Pain!" - Tough Love
161. Glory finds Dawn - Tough Love
162. Buffy and Dawn run across field - Spiral
163. Glory gets hit by truck - Spiral
164. Horsies! - Spiral
165. Winnebago falls on its side - Spiral
166. Glory bursts through Willow's force field, Dawn in tow - Spiral

Can anyone say, OC?  ;D
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: Holly Golightly on Sep 19, 2002 at 10:25 AM
OC!

<whaaat?>
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: The Stig on Sep 23, 2002 at 12:09 PM
while watching the emmy's this morning, i noticed something, that studio 23 was already promoting buffy season 6, which will start airing in october  ;D
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: Holly Golightly on Sep 23, 2002 at 02:49 PM
Ack! New season starts MONDAY na!!!!

Following its 5th season finale which ends with the death of Buffy Summers this September, BUFFY THE VAMPIRE SLAYER [IO K07311440001] segues to its 6th season beginning Monday, October 07, in its regular timeslot.  Viewers will not have to wait 6 months for Buffy's resurrection as the series continues with all original episodes in the final quarter  of 2002.

Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: Mr. Hankey on Sep 23, 2002 at 07:58 PM
while watching the emmy's this morning, i noticed something, that studio 23 was already promoting buffy season 6, which will start airing in october  ;D

Really. I don't HATE Studio 23. I thank them for finally trying to catch up with the current US Season after all the reruns on RPN 9.

BUT... (SPOILER: Highlight to read): Isn't showing Buffy forming from dust to human inside her coffin as big a spoiler as showing her jumping from the tower last week? Particularly if you saw the way UPN handled the Season 6 promos until that season debuted. >:( (END SPOILER)
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: pagan on Sep 24, 2002 at 09:32 AM
Really. I don't HATE Studio 23. I thank them for finally trying to catch up with the current US Season after all the reruns on RPN 9.

BUT... (SPOILER: Highlight to read): Isn't showing Buffy forming from dust to human inside her coffin as big a spoiler as showing her jumping from the tower last week? Particularly if you saw the way UPN handled the Season 6 promos until that season debuted. >:( (END SPOILER)

Good lordy, they sc.rewed up in the promos again?  WTF?  Who the he.ll makes those promos?  Do they know nothing of the TV business?
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: Holly Golightly on Sep 24, 2002 at 10:33 AM
while watching the emmy's this morning, i noticed something, that studio 23 was already promoting buffy season 6, which will start airing in october  ;D

Really. I don't HATE Studio 23. I thank them for finally trying to catch up with the current US Season after all the reruns on RPN 9.

BUT... (SPOILER: Highlight to read): Isn't showing Buffy forming from dust to human inside her coffin as big a spoiler as showing her jumping from the tower last week? Particularly if you saw the way UPN handled the Season 6 promos until that season debuted. >:( (END SPOILER)

Well, they could wank it and say that it was a dream sequence </lame>. But then again, isn't the big question whether or not she'll come back the same - evil, good or whatnot?
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: pagan on Sep 24, 2002 at 12:12 PM
Well, they could wank it and say that it was a dream sequence </lame>. But then again, isn't the big question **whether or not she'll come back the same - evil, good or whatnot?**

Yeah, but it's still spoilery!  Grr.. we should really write Studio 23 a letter.  No, two letters -- one to thank, the other to bitc.h  ;D
Title: More spoilery bitterness
Post by: Holly Golightly on Sep 25, 2002 at 12:45 AM
From TWoP:

"Everything I Need To Know About Life I Learned From Marti Noxon"
****[color=#EEEEE]

Entry #1
Love means never having to say you're sorry.

Entry #2
Inhumanity means never having to say you're sorry.

Entry #3
Beating the crap out of someone means never having to say you're sorry.

Entry #4
Lust and pain (and perhaps a small nervous breakdown) means never having to say you're sorry.

Entry #5
The slayer is always right. Except when she's not. But then, she was depressed.

Entry #6
Love your boss? Destroy his show. It's good karma!

Entry #7
Giles + Anya= Ewww
Spike + Buffy = Ratings
Buffy + High School Student = Bring on the funny
Wanda + Marti + Thousands of ?s from Buffy fans = no meaningful information

[/color]*****
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: Mr. Hankey on Sep 25, 2002 at 12:07 PM
Buffy Season 8 News from SciFi.Com (http://www.scifi.com). Italics mine:

[color=#DDDDD]Marti Noxon, executive producer of UPN's Buffy the Vampire Slayer, told SCI FI Wire that producers are already mulling options for how to continue the show beyond the upcoming seventh season, with or without star Sarah Michelle Gellar. Among the possibilities: a show centered on Buffy's little sister Dawn (Michelle Trachtenberg) or one centered on wayward slayer Faith (Eliza Dushku), Noxon said in an interview. Gellar's contract expires at the end of the new season, and she has previously expressed doubts about returning full-time.

An eighth season of Buffy "is a discussion that we've begun to start having ... with both [producing studio] Fox and UPN," Noxon said. "But it's really ... stages. I think the main thing that [creator] Joss [Whedon] feels, and I also feel, is that we wouldn't continue if we didn't feel that we had something exciting to bring to the table. If it felt like we were desperately trying to keep the franchise alive, that's not something that I think interests him. I think it's much more about, can we come up with a concept that might be either Sarah-free or Sarah-light that feels, you know, like a show worth doing? And if we're all excited about doing it and have the same level of passion, then gung ho, you know? But if we don't, I think nobody sort of wants to see a pale imitation of what was. It's a tough call. It's a tough thing. We'll see. But we do have some ideas. And Joss has some great ideas. And we're kicking those all around. And we don't know. Sarah has not said definitively no, but I think it's pretty likely that she'd at least want to scale her involvement back."

In the upcoming seventh-season premiere, viewers will see a much more active Dawn. Is that setting the stage for Trachtenberg to take up Gellar's stake and cross? "We don't really have a firm plan," Noxon said. "I mean, that's obviously one of the possibilities. But we haven't settled on that at all. ... I think it was just time to grow Dawn up a little bit. And it's just sort of a natural thing that she would want to sort of follow in Buffy's footsteps. So it's much more about story. And if at the end of that process, we're like, 'Wow, she's a natural replacement,' then that might happen. But it's not a foregone conclusion at all."

Noxon confirmed that Faith will return toward the end of the seventh season. But whether or not she's poised to replace Buffy "depends entirely on [Dushku]," who has an active film career, Noxon said. "But it's definitely a very interesting possibility. I know some fans ... are pretty excited about that. So we'll see. I mean, I can really see that show. I know what that show is. And so that's nice, you know? She's such a good character. And Eliza's very charismatic. So I can see what that show would be. But again, many, many hurdles. And I don't even know if Eliza's interested." Buffy kicks off its new season on Sept. 24 in its regular 8 p.m. ET/PT Tuesday time slot.

====================

In related (HAPPY) news, Noxon will only be writing 2 episodes this season, episodes 10 and 21. :)

Also, Noxon's "Singing Parking Ticket Lady" character WILL be back... Hmm... [/color]
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: Holly Golightly on Sep 25, 2002 at 12:34 PM
Mr. Hankey, can you please spoilerfont that? Thanks.
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: pagan on Sep 25, 2002 at 12:41 PM
Mr. Hankey, can you please spoilerfont that? Thanks.

Yes, please, Mr. Hankey.  Change the color of the font to match the background  :)
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: Mr. Hankey on Sep 25, 2002 at 01:06 PM
Mr. Hankey, can you please spoilerfont that? Thanks.

Yes, please, Mr. Hankey.  Change the color of the font to match the background  :)

Sorry about that. I apologize, but...:

Nothing I've said except for Marti's return as Parking Ticket Lady hasn't been theorized in plain visible text earlier on this thread - Dawn, Faith taking over. Sarah's likely departure from the show after this season is practically in every single article currently printed about her. You should know I despise spoilers, with all my Studio 23 complaints.
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: gumby on Sep 25, 2002 at 02:35 PM
I just downloaded the opening credits of "Lessons" - old scenes interspersed with new ones so definitely spoiler sya. At least the final shot of SMG's much much MUCH better than S6's.

However, my overall final shot favorite is the one from "Anne".  ;D
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: pagan on Sep 25, 2002 at 05:32 PM
I just downloaded the opening credits of "Lessons" - old scenes interspersed with new ones so definitely spoiler sya. At least the final shot of SMG's much much MUCH better than S6's.

However, my overall final shot favorite is the one from "Anne".  ;D

Oh, yeah, that one was cool.  Cool weapon, too.
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: Mr. Hankey on Sep 25, 2002 at 08:16 PM
I just downloaded the opening credits of "Lessons"

Hahaha - looks like we download from the same place, since that's also the only part of the show I've downloaded too!  ;D
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: gumby on Sep 25, 2002 at 09:54 PM
Malamang Mr Hankey - puro clips pa lang ang nasa 'Net eh. Haven't watched anything else though (except for the opening credits) - amyslayer will kill me...forgot her alias here but she knows who she is... ;D
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: pagan on Sep 26, 2002 at 09:19 AM
Malamang Mr Hankey - puro clips pa lang ang nasa 'Net eh. Haven't watched anything else though (except for the opening credits) - amyslayer will kill me...forgot her alias here but she knows who she is... ;D

Haha, good for you, gumby! (And no one's killing anyone naman!  ;D )

Don't worry, dalawang tulog na lang!
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: acidburn on Sep 26, 2002 at 05:17 PM
grr Argh.  >:(

my bro downloaded the episode na but i can't watch cause i'm on duty.

my job is seriously getting in the ay of my tv watching. not good.

grr argh.
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: Mr. Hankey on Sep 28, 2002 at 11:40 PM
No Season 7, Episode 1 thoughts yet?

I'll start [Highlight for opinions which are 100% SPOILER-FILLED]:

Let me see... on a young Summers' first day at Sunnydale High, she finds 2 outcasts, a guy and a girl, and becomes fast friends with them. A vampire without a soul gives The Slayer a clue on how to beat the week's nemesis. In the final shot, we're UNDER the school, where the Hellmouth is located, and The Master is present.

Deja vu? ::)

Still, I enjoyed this episode a lot. A fun season opener... thank God they didn't have to deal with serious resurrection isues like last year. But the episode made me realize that if they continue without Sarah Michelle Gellar next season, then Willow and Xander won't be Dawn's Scoobies... they'll be Giles and Joyce! Yes, that's RESPECTIVELY.  ;D

The Scrappy Gang, though, looks potentially interesting. Not two geeks this time, two... "cool slackers".

Cool ending... nice seeing everyone again. But why would The Mayor be tormenting Spike, when Spike never even met him? (acidburn pointed that one out to me...)


[END OF SPOILERS]
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: Redmary on Sep 29, 2002 at 02:05 PM
Hey, people. Short driveby to drop what will probably be my only post for a while...

Mr. Hankey spoilers for season 7 episode 1 ahoy **Don't know if Spike knew the Mayor, but the Mayor knew him and kept records on him. (Reference: "Lovers Walk")

My one-ep-basis theory? Reposting myself:

The last scene reminded me of Angel in "Amends" and "Birthday." I understand they're trying to distance themselves from Angel entirely, but I can't help but draw comparisons. I like this though. Based on this episode alone, it would seem like Buffy has been fighting just one evil the whole time, with different manifestations (very First Evil). If they want to go the whole way around, I hope they also show us that love is the same way -- there is possibly only one source of love, and it is manifested through different people in her life. It seems like they want to integrate the previous seasons into one big finish -- I'd love for the "loved ones" to find a way to manifest themselves as well. Joyce. Giles. Angel. (Yeah, right.) The people who mean/meant a lot to her.

And also, what really stayed with me about the ep was the ghost in the bathroom angle. I don't know why BtVS never did it before, but it's a staple horror story in almost every high school in the Philippines. I like having that connection with the series again. Plus, I loved the energy I felt in the ep. They all want to live and do what they're doing. It feels good to see that.**

Not a perfect ep for me (I just haven't put my finger on why), but I think I honestly haven't had this holycowbatman! reaction to the show since season 2, when I didn't know what spoilers were, and didn't care. I think this spoiler-free lifestyle suits me fine.

It also helps that my internet access has been severely limited and I almost have no choice, really.  ;D
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: gumby on Sep 29, 2002 at 05:49 PM
First of all, thanks Redmary for the Buffython last Saturday. It was simply funtastic to meet everyone at last! Sorry I had to leave early; I'll try to stay longer next time!  ;)

As for the premiere of season 7, what can I say? Keeping things as spoiler-free as I can, I enjoyed it immensely! I know my opinion's not really a basis of anything (since I like Riley and thought season 6 was great  ;D), but then again, the end of the episode was simply shockingly spectacular! I hope it won't be just a one-time rabbit-out-of-a-hat-trick though - wonder what the season finale will be? ;)
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: acidburn on Sep 30, 2002 at 01:42 AM
hmm finally got to watch the season 7 premiere. My comment in spoilery font just to make sure nobody gets inadvertantly spoiled....

 ;D It was like deja vu all over again!  ;D I agree with everyone saying that this episode felt like a retread of seasons past. On the upside though, i liked having the one liners back. It's been a long time since i laughed out loud while watching a buffy episode.

On the downside though, i miss happy willow. Although no one can act sad like alyson hannigan can! I also prefer loser self depracating xander. He's not as funny as responsible rich xander. And while i'm on the subject of xander, how can a guy with no formal training in architecture etc and who barely finished high school suddenly become the head of construction of a state of the art facility like sunny dale high?

Another gripe of mine, since Tara's death was supposed to be oh so improtant to last season big dramatic arc, how come no mention of her at all? Also after all the lengths they went  through to present magic as willow's addiction, giles comes  out saying it's not an addiction. talk about contradicting yourself.

one thing i liked about buffy is that it was always consistent and believable (well aside form the monsters that is  ;D ) Recent episode have just been too sloppy.


I have to disagree with mr hankey about dawn's Sc r a p p y gang. I don't think they're remotely interesting. I am filled with dread at the prospect of Dawn the Vampire Slayer.

all in all the episode wasn't bad anough to suck but not good enough to rave about either.  ::)

Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: Holly Golightly on Oct 02, 2002 at 05:43 PM
Snif. My Winamp has been put on "random" and it keeps playing these sad-sack songs! Medyo Rolling Stones "Beast of Burden," Crowded House "All I Ask" and OMWF's "Rest in Peace." I swear, I'm going to be a basket case come the Buffython. Waah. I'm all verklempt.

Acidburn, lola, you coming?
Title: "Bargaining" tonight on Studio 23!
Post by: pagan on Oct 07, 2002 at 02:26 PM
Saddle up, girls and boys, Season 6 **(a.k.a. Season sex, season sux, etc.)**is premiering on Studio 23 tonight!

For non-spoilery screen shots of the eps, go to Tabula Rasa (http://pinoyslayer.tripod.com).

"Bargaining"
Episode 6-1  (Season premier)
written by Marti Noxon
directed by David Grossman
 
With Buffy gone, her friends try and cope as best they could. Willow, however, is certain they could do more than just that.
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: acidburn on Oct 07, 2002 at 08:27 PM
*sigh* season sux. It had so much potential.  ::)
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: ~CaroL~ on Oct 07, 2002 at 11:11 PM
 ???Why are you guys saying S6 sucks I mean.... that bad ba??  I know what happend and it's just umm... I think the way things the handled it they SUCKED. Ah! I get it, S6 supposed to be the season of suckiness because they made some pretty sucky decisions. So it sucked then. I think I just got myself more confused. :-[ :-\
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: acidburn on Oct 09, 2002 at 05:17 AM
Carol: plain and simple. it sucked. nothing to get confused about. I could  tell you why i think that but that would mean a very boring rant from me. Although to be honest , i did like the arc until the 8th episode then it all went downhill from there.  I actually like season 4 better than season 6 now and i used to hate season 4. At least, i can watch season 4 over and over again without wanting to off myself. oh hey mini rant. stopping now.

Anyway, it's just my opinion. i'll let you make your own. Don't say i didn't warn you though  ;D

on a different note: just finished watching 7.03 and.... spoilery text :

Hmm, a scooby becomes invisible and everybody spends the episode trying to find her. Now where have i seen THAT before? When joss said back to the beginning, who would've thought he literally meant rehashing everything they've ever done in buffy. must be running out of ideas.

*sigh* i miss happy babbly willow. If this season turns out to be torture willow season, i am so not going to like it. I miss tara too. Plus,  I just can't believe that the scooby gang, knowing willow's fragile hold on sanity and that she could go all veiny any moment actually expect her to sleep in the room where her girlfriend died in her arms? There logic does not resemble our earth logic.

Must they remind us of xander's yellow crayon speech? i'd almost forgiven them for that piece of melodrama and they just had to remind me. fine xander was last season's big hero. whoop di do. I still wonder why xander never gets to pay for his mistakes while willow always does.

Not much spike for you spikey lovers out there.

Bad guy was actually good. kinda reminded me of that skinny guy from LOTR who's always after the ring.

I know the ratings were hyping this episode to be funny but it really isn't. Aside form a few funny one liners from anya it was kinda sad. They were right about it being gross though.

on the whole, better than episode 2.



oh and a willow firendly quiz if anybody has time to kill.

http://www.seprah.com/buffy/quiz/willquiz.html

for the record, I'm outgoing willow although if i change one answer i become vamp willow. yaay me.  ;D
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: gumby on Oct 09, 2002 at 07:44 AM
Ey acidburn, I saw the third episode of S7 last night, and to comment:


I thought it was like Out Of Sight, Out Of Mind at first but then I realized it was more than that pala! The concept was so brilliant I was stupefied!

And I think it won't be a 'torture willow' season...the last scene dispelled my fear on that.

I still find 7.02 my favorite so far...but then again, tatlo pa lang naman ang pinapalabas  ;D
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: pagan on Oct 09, 2002 at 09:23 AM
Hey, Acidburn, could you use a really light gray for your spoilery text?  I can still kinda read the light yellow text you use for your spoilers  ;)

Anyway, the old spoiler 'ho me would have just read everything you and Gumby wrote about the new eps, but it's a new me now and I will resist all spoilers (I am such a dork, huh?).  Must be strong..

Hmm.. maybe it's time we make a new thread for Buffy Season 7.   Whadya guys think?
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: gumby on Oct 09, 2002 at 09:49 AM
Hey, Acidburn, could you use a really light gray for your spoilery text?  I can still kinda read the light yellow text you use for your spoilers  ;)

Kinda wondering about that - I used the same color as acidburn (beige right?) yet my spoiler text is invisible...wonder why...

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(I am such a dork, huh?).  Must be strong..

It's okay pagan - I, on the other hand, am like Miss Holly Golightly - I'd like to know what's coming so I won't be disappointed.  ;D

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Hmm.. maybe it's time we make a new thread for Buffy Season 7.   Whadya guys think?

Yes please! Yes yes yes please!  ;D
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: Holly Golightly on Oct 09, 2002 at 11:40 AM
Hey, Acidburn, could you use a really light gray for your spoilery text?  I can still kinda read the light yellow text you use for your spoilers  ;)

Kinda wondering about that - I used the same color as acidburn (beige right?) yet my spoiler text is invisible...wonder why...


It's because the background colors are different. It alternates from dark grey to light grey. And, yes, WORD on wanting to know what you're getting. I am THISCLOSE to bailing. One false move, Whedon and Noxious.

Speaking of le spoil, got some v. v. interesting spoilerage re ep 7.7 that only proves my point that rehabilitating a character only means pairing them up with JM/Spike. Referencing the Gayest Look In The World from BY, of course.  And if that means slash...well, bring it on. ;D

And the spoiler itself, from Tensai and the Tabula Rasa list:


Posted by Gwyn:

Spoiler slayer info...I knew he would move in with Xander!! This is great...and at Buffy's suggestion too....this is going to be hysterical!!!

>Just received some additional info on 'Him' from one of my industry
>sources. Not only are Spike and Xander fighting alongside each other
>in this episode, they're now living with each other as well.
>
>Turns out that Buffy's advice to Spike in 'Selfless' is
>apparently "Move Out Of The Basement". Her solution, Spike should
>move in with Xander.
>
>If this isn't a clear sign of another apocalypse, I don't know what
>is.
>
>One other tidbit, it's written by Drew Z. Greenberg.
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: pagan on Oct 09, 2002 at 03:19 PM
Kinda wondering about that - I used the same color as acidburn (beige right?) yet my spoiler text is invisible...wonder why...
 It's because the background colors are different. It alternates from dark grey to light grey.

Light grey (something like #DDDDDD) is safe for both backgrounds, I guess.  I always use that.
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: Holly Golightly on Oct 09, 2002 at 03:42 PM
Pagan -  Read the spoiler! Read the spoiler! Come on!
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: pagan on Oct 09, 2002 at 04:23 PM
Pagan -  Read the spoiler! Read the spoiler! Come on!

*Pagan claps her hands over her eyes.*

 :-\
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: gumby on Oct 09, 2002 at 04:48 PM
Pagan -  Read the spoiler! Read the spoiler! Come on!

Spoiler! Spoiler! Read the spoilers! Woooohoooo!  ;D

Ahem, read the spoilers?  ;D
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: acidburn on Oct 09, 2002 at 07:51 PM
Pagan: tried changing it to grey but it was still too dark and the board wouldn't take my code. Wonder why. It's a sign, you must read spoilers.  ;D

As for a season 7 thread, well i'm all for it. It would be alot easier discussing the eps if you're no worrying about spoiling non bi-seasonal viewers. Personally i tend to mix up the seasons na. Can't tell which facts came from which season. Well, the minor ones anyway.

oh and as for the spoiler that holly posted:
 :o bring on the slash! I thought i was the only one who appreciated the slashy moments of episode 3. There's more to come pa pala.

edited to say i fixed the font color! woo hoo! and also to fix my awful grammar. reading make our speaking english good.  ;D

edited again to add more thoughts on episode 7.03. Much better on second viewing.

as usual spoilery text -->

  :o
* i liked poseable dawn. They should paralyze her more often.  ;D I do notice a change for the better for dawn though. She's not as whiney and she gets some good funny lines mocking buffy and the gang. They should let Michelle T do more comedy (physical and verbal)  and less drama. It reminds me of her work on Pete and pete.  Still not up for DtVS though.

*I haven't wanted a monster to die so badly since Warren--and, of course, Spike.   :o Pretty good job by the actor since he was really menacing. Liked how it was written so that he highlighted willow's insecurities. Oh and i remember the LOTR character now. Gollum!

*Now i get why they put a big ole' BUFFY nametag on the door. It's for slow people like me who couldn't get that W/T's old room is now buffy's and willow gets to move into buffy's old room. Duh.

*Spike's insanity is no longer intriguing but annoying and inconsistent. It's like he's conveniently insane or lucid when the situation calls for it.

*sorry have to disagree about the whole invisibilty thing being something new. Still think it was a rehash. you forgot to mention that they also did this in the season 4  episode fear itself where xander disappears and in gone where Buffy disappears. Hmmm, time for a dawn disappears episode. I liked how they creatively edited to though so they wouldn't have to spend on special effects of willow or the gang walking through each other.

* OK i found this funny. babaw time!  ;D
XANDER: It's pretty hard to look at.
BUFFY: And yet my eyes won't look away. stupid eyes.

also

Xander: "We could ask some questions over at Willy's place." Buffy: "Or we could be SMART."
And Xander doesn't even notice the diss.  ;D

and

SPIKE:  I'm insane, what's your excuse?

...I miss lines like these that i could actually apply in everyday conversation. Yes i am a geek.

*I had the feeling that Aly was so happy just to be able to smile on camera again that she was a little too chipper and cute given the circumstances in some scenes. (Think about it: Will has essentially been unhappy since Tough Love in S5...she's been grieving/angry/addicted/guilty for one thing or another for nearly 30 episodes now.)

*please let them not go the way of the Willow/Anya ship. please. i'd buy Spander though.  ;D

* Anya's actually been nice aside from being a vengeance demon. Why must the scoobies treat her so badly?

*how did anya's hair grow so fast between ep 7.2 -7.3?

*Best of all, no gratuitous shot of Spike's nipples this week.   ::)



oh my that was longer than what i expected. Hmm, maybe i should stop watching buffy at 4 am.
Title: Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
Post by: pagan on Oct 10, 2002 at 09:30 AM
Season 7 of our favorite Buffy the Vampire Slayer[/i] has premiered in the States -- and here's the forum to discuss the latest episodes.

Will season 7 make up for a rather unever, and -- dare we say it? -- mostly awful season 6?  What's to come in what is perhaps the final chapter in the series?  Discuss.

Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: pagan on Oct 10, 2002 at 09:33 AM
There's a forum for duscussing Buffy season 7 here (http://www.pinoydvd.com/yabbse/index.php?board=1;action=display;threadid=7031).
Title: Re: Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
Post by: Holly Golightly on Oct 10, 2002 at 10:59 AM
No need to spoilerfont, yes?

Bringing over from the other thread:


*Best of all, no gratuitous shot of Spike's nipples this week.  


OK, I haven't seen STSP, and you're obviously referring to Beneath You, so tell me: with all the things that were happening in the scene, how could you actually find the inclination to complain about something so jejune? Good Lord, talk about seeing the forest for the trees.
Title: Re: Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
Post by: acidburn on Oct 10, 2002 at 02:20 PM
actually i was referring to 7.03 same time, same place.  ;D Spike remains fully clothed for this one I'm afraid. Still out of his mind inconsistently.

to his credit though, james plays craZy really well.

edited to fix my grammar. Please someone remind me never to post when i've just woken up.
Title: Re: Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
Post by: gumby on Oct 10, 2002 at 03:05 PM
Yeah finally - a forum for Buffy S7! Woooohooooo!  ;D

I loved Lessons - the last scene with JM and all the previous big bads was simply a marvelous toast to a long-time fan!

I loved Beneath You - and yes, now I'm a believer in ol' Spike.

I loved Same Time, Same Place - the rehash of Out Of Mind, Out Of Sight was simply brilliant in such a way that it was expanded into something more.

I am loving this season so far...I just hope the next episode Help is just as good.  ;)
Title: Re: Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
Post by: Holly Golightly on Oct 10, 2002 at 04:02 PM
acidburn - Arg. Sorry I flamed you. I was gonna erase it and all, but you responded na. Arrg. Spank me til Tuesday.

Gumby - You want spoilers for Help? Because I've got spoilers for Help. :)

Para di naman completely pointless ang post ko, here's the original script for the last scene in Beneath You, as written by Doug Petrie. It's melodramatic, and it sucks, and I officially withdraw my marriage offer for Petrie. What we saw in 7.2 is the Joss rewrite, which is infinitely better and underscores the fact that Joss is an IDIOT for leaving BtVS for Fufufly.

From Bloody Awful Poet's Society:

Here is the script of the original final scene.
Buffys POV: We see at the far end of the graveyard, a solitary church. A single light comes from within. Buffy stares at it a moment, some kind of peace coming over her. Then she walks toward the church...

Int. Church - Night

Twin heavy doors swing slowly open and Buffy enters the church. She hears the sound of sobbing.

She walks in, cautiously, drawing a stake.

Buffys POV: We see a figure, it's back to us, sitting in one of the pews, rocking gently back and forth.

Buffy approaches. It is Spike, sitting alone, looking as lost and frightened as can be. He speaks softly and sanely.

Spike: I figured it out. Took a while, yeah, but... I think the real problem is...

He looks to Buffy, eyes wide, vulnerable.

Spike: I was once this really nice guy.

Buffy remains cautious, keeping her distance.

Buffy: So that's the problem.

Spike: I think.

Buffy: Got news, Spike. Youre not that nice.

Spike laughs, quietly, enjoying the irony of a good joke.

Spike: Yeah. I've been... Well come on, lets face it,been a one-man slaughterhouse, last hundred years. Raping. Murdering. And for what? (beat) Kicks.

He stands in the pew, bows his head in reverence.

Spike: William the Bloody awful poet, skipping down the lane... good boy, bad boy, all the sodding same. You like it? Wrote that one myself.

He rolls his head around slowly, up to the ceiling. Staring.

Spike: Is it hot enough in her eto burn all your mortal sins away?

And suddenly, vampire-fast, he stands straight up.

Spike: Or am I just crazy?

He laughs, steps from the pew, into the aisle.

Spike: Stuffy. Stuffed. Full, packed, sorry mate, no room, out you go, standing room only and no room for that. We. Are. Full.

Buffy steps back, giving him a wide berth. Spike lurches forward, up the church aisle, zig zagging left and right, but always moving forward.

Spike: Full of sin. Fulll of guilt. Full of hate and love and loss and feeling. Full of it, quite frankly and its been so long. (laughs) Since we felt anything here. Rusty switchboard sparked to life, bound to be moren a few sharp shocks.

Buffy slowly following behind, never losing grip on that stake, and watching...

Spike: Right? RIGHT!? Shh. Quiet. Church. His house. Place of clasped hands, reverent hymns, and massive raw amounts of BEGGING. On your knees, boy. Beg him. BEG HIM...

And we see where Spike is heading: at the head of tha altar there stands a large, carved-stone crucifix.

Spike: ... for forgiveness.

Buffy: Spike...

Spike: Buffy. I can't sleep. Can't think. There's voices and darkness and blindness and pain and help me, I... I...

He keeps walking, slowly, up the aisle. Gets to the altar's steps and keeps going... straight up to the cross.

Buffy: You have a soul.

Spike stops at the cross. Responds without looking back.

Spike: I do indeed.

He wearily lets his head rest upon the stone crucifix. And steam rises from where his flesh makes contact. He grimaces, but does not scream.

Spike: And it's killing me.

He reaches out and hugs the crucifix with both arms. Steam rises from his palms.

Spike: God...

He releases the cross, slowly pullling back and turning to Buffy.

Spike: God hates me. You hate me. I hate myself more than ever.

Buffy wants to step forward, but does not.

Buffy: But why'd you do it...?

Spike: You know why. I got my soul back...

He keeps turning, now facing Buffy, barely able to stand on his feet, wobbling a bit - and holding his arms out wide.

Spike: ... So I could be the kind of (laughs) ... Person.... you would come to ... the man you could love.

Spike grins through bloody teeth. The burn marks stand out fresh upon his forehead and plams. He looks like death and any second hes going to collapse.

And still, it's like somthing terribly sad is actually, deep down funny - and only he gets the joke.

He walks toward Buffy. Staggering gently. Eyeing the stake she still holds in her hand. Hes drawn to it - and to her.

Spike: I was the enemy, then I was nothing, and now I'm God's garbage, not even a joke, less than, less than, less than all His creatures combined so tell me, dear Buffy...

Buffy lets him approach, unmoving, but not letting go of that stake either.

He barely makes it to her - and slams straight down, to his knees. And opens his arms wide.

Spike: How ya like me now?

Buffys mind goes a long way trying to come up with the answer, but  her mouth can not speak and we:

BLACK OUT
----------------------------------------------------

The only fitting ending I can see for this is him vamping out and killing the little bitca. Ah, well, maybe in 7.22.
Title: Re: Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
Post by: gumby on Oct 10, 2002 at 04:45 PM
Gumby - You want spoilers for Help? Because I've got spoilers for Help. :)

Tenks Holly but instead of spoilers, can I have your impression on it without revealing too much?  :D
Title: Re: Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
Post by: Holly Golightly on Oct 10, 2002 at 05:26 PM
Interesting siya. It has Azura Skye from 28 Days and the "Shimmer" episode of Smallville. Actually, from stuff Redmary told me, it sounds like a Smallville ep. Still, it ends on a B/S note, which I sooo don't want right now, unless it ends in Buffydeath.
Title: Re: Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
Post by: acidburn on Oct 10, 2002 at 06:56 PM
re: help

really? from what i heard it ends....


with willow at Tara's grave for some closure. Which i hope is the end to willow sadness. I mean if they've already made everyone forget about Tara and have no real plans of bringing her back, might as well make willow les mopey.



and i have to agree it sounds like a smallville episode.

*sigh* i really want to like this season but i've so far been underwhelmed. Maybe when they tie up all the loose ends from last season and start up with the season's arc, it'll be better.

Staying off spoilers for anything beyond episode 6. Wonder how long this will last?  ;D

Holly: no worries about the flame.  ;D And if you still haven't got the episode it's up at hellmouth, tv4u and kazaa already.
Title: Re: Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
Post by: Holly Golightly on Oct 10, 2002 at 07:05 PM
really? from what i heard it ends....


It's part of the ep, but it's a closure thing. The other thing, however, with the Azura character  saying "Someday she'll tell you" and then dropping dead is the cliffhanger, and probably the one thing pipols will be talking about for weeks. Feh. Run away, Spike! Kill the Scooby Gang and run away! Run fast, run free!

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Holly: no worries about the flame.  ;D

Thanks. THough I still think the "Spike's nipples" remark was a cheap shot.
Title: Re: Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
Post by: acidburn on Oct 10, 2002 at 07:22 PM
he he well, force of habit from trying to annoy my sis who just watches buffy for the gratuitous spike nipples. :)

ok watched the 7.03 yet again (well the last part cause i was checking if my VCD download was complete) and i have to say it's my favorite scene of this episode and possbily the season so far. It's just very reminiscent of buffy/willow interaction from season 2 and 3 which i sorely miss. I just feel they drifted apart too much last season. Hoping for more of the same in the future.
Title: Re: Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
Post by: Holly Golightly on Oct 10, 2002 at 07:30 PM
Heh. ;D Since you're online, here's another spoilery bit from 7.5, in case you didn't hear: Halfrek dies. Oh, gee, they're killing off the walking plot hole WITHOUT wrapping up the the giant gaping hole she made?
Title: Re: Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
Post by: acidburn on Oct 10, 2002 at 07:57 PM
well, at least it isn't anya who dies. She's the only character aside frem willow that i find remotely interesting now.Is that confirmed though? 'cause the spoilers i read the cost is the life of a vengeance demon so it would make both of them fair game.  ???

oh the promo for help is up at the german site.
Title: Re: Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
Post by: Mr. Hankey on Oct 12, 2002 at 11:29 PM
After just watching S7E3 (My DSL is down and I had to use dial-up to download it), one thing really struck me:

[color=#EEEEEEEE]If Willow is that powerful - she can skin baddies alive with the wave of a hand, she can end the world if she wants to, and (as evidenced in this episode) can make mystical things happen by just thinking them... with her around and in control of her power (if she ever gets a handle on it), does Sunnydale actually even NEED a Slayer?[/color]
Title: Re: Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
Post by: gumby on Oct 12, 2002 at 11:44 PM
Ey Mr Hankey, I don't think you need to hide the text in your last post since it refers to an episode already shown in US TV.  :D
Title: Re: Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
Post by: Mr. Hankey on Oct 13, 2002 at 01:04 AM
Ey Mr Hankey, I don't think you need to hide the text in your last post since it refers to an episode already shown in US TV.  :D

I think I should, as a courtesy to those watching Buffy on Studio 23 who click the "Recent Posts" link at the main page of the message board. They'll see my post and have things spoiled for them.

If I remember to, I'll remove the hidden text thing when my post no longer shows up in the "Recent Posts".  :)
Title: Re: Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
Post by: Holly Golightly on Oct 14, 2002 at 11:37 AM
After just watching S7E3 (My DSL is down and I had to use dial-up to download it), one thing really struck me:

I've thought that ever since the PUTRID As You Were had Riley married to Sam, who was as fast, fighty and punny as Buffy. And apparently, she was also a member of the Peace Corps. Oh lovey, aren't we glad Riley has such a lovely life and a lovely wife? Ptui.

Y'know, I'd actually be happy to welcome the return of BLUCAAAAASSSS if they can wind up all the inconsistencies of AYW. Bleargh.

Acid: Gracias for the VCD. So you actually bought a OMWF DVD? Bow ako sa yo, mare.
Title: Re: Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
Post by: Mr. Hankey on Oct 14, 2002 at 11:47 AM
Acid: Gracias for the VCD. So you actually bought a OMWF DVD? Bow ako sa yo, mare.

Isn't that the most amazing VCD ever? :)

I was wondering why if acid can make VCDs that clear (with very rare and minimal pixelation) and with nice menus... why can't the professional local companies do the same?
Title: Re: Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
Post by: acidburn on Oct 14, 2002 at 08:39 PM
Acid: Gracias for the VCD. So you actually bought a OMWF DVD? Bow ako sa yo, mare.

At $100 a pop, i don't think so. Couldn't afford it and even if i did have the money, i'd rather buy the whole season DVDs.

BUT, I was able to get a DVD rip of the musical so if i showed you the AVI, it would be as clear as a DVD. I just looooooove technology and broadband.

as for mr Hankey's Question:

A) They'd prefer earning the most from the least effort  ::)
B)They lack my creativity and imagination prowess  ;)
C) they're not as bored and obsessed as I am.  ;D
D) All of the Above
Title: Re: Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
Post by: Jude on Oct 14, 2002 at 09:16 PM
as for mr Hankey's Question:

A) They'd prefer earning the most from the least effort  ::)
B)They lack my creativity and imagination prowess  ;)
C) they're not as bored and obsessed as I am.  ;D
D) All of the Above


And don't forget your dedicated support group!  ;D
Title: Re: Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
Post by: acidburn on Oct 14, 2002 at 09:35 PM
Ah yes, must not forget the little people.  ;D

Just to get back to buffy discussion. I just realized willow must have really bad abandonment issues by now. In season 1 she gets "abandoned" by xander when he went all hyena and then she gets dropped again 'cause he decided he liked buffy better. In the Episode fear itself in season 4, when OZ goes wolfy and decides to hide, her line was "don't leave me". In the same season, she gets cheated on and left indefinitely by wolf boy. In season 6, Tara leaves 'cause of her magic addiction then just as soon as they got back together she gets shot. Now in this episode, she thinks her friends have left her to be eaten by gnarl and her plea to her friends while she's lying there half eaten is "don't leave me".

Poor girl. No wonder she got so pissed and decided to end the world.

oh and can anyone please answer why willow always gets punished for stuff she does wrong while xander always happens to get off scot free. A couple of people got killed because of that stunt he pulled in OMWF but there were no repercussions anywhere. Instead he got to save the world and now he's xan the man.    ::)
Title: Re: Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
Post by: Mr. Hankey on Oct 14, 2002 at 09:44 PM
oh and can anyone please answer why willow always gets punished for stuff she does wrong while xander always happens to get off scot free. A couple of people got killed because of that stunt he pulled in OMWF but there were no repercussions anywhere.

Believe me, no matter how fleeting it was, the thought that he'd be Hinton Battle's Queen For All Eternity was punishment enough.   ;D
Title: Re: Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
Post by: pagan on Oct 15, 2002 at 09:03 AM
oh and can anyone please answer why willow always gets punished for stuff she does wrong while xander always happens to get off scot free. A couple of people got killed because of that stunt he pulled in OMWF but there were no repercussions anywhere. Instead he got to save the world and now he's xan the man.    ::)

Well, you can't really compare the two.  The stuff willow did was deliberate, and while there were deaths as a results of Xander's spell, it was the demon he summoned who did it.  Besides, he already did his share of world-saving before season 6, and he didn't even mind that no one knew about it.  Xander was just a blunderingly inept (not knowing what a spell did before he did it), while willow was coldly purposeful in her actions.  

Besides, how do we know Giles didn't whip Xander 9 ways till Tuesday after the spell blew over?  ("You want to be a bloody queen?  I'll show you!" *whipcrack*) ;D
Title: Re: Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
Post by: Holly Golightly on Oct 15, 2002 at 11:55 AM
oh and can anyone please answer why willow always gets punished for stuff she does wrong while xander always happens to get off scot free. A couple of people got killed because of that stunt he pulled in OMWF but there were no repercussions anywhere. Instead he got to save the world and now he's xan the man.

IMHO, Willow was very quickly forgiven considering she tried to end the world and kill all her friends. Not only that, but she got to spend three months in England with Giles asking "Do you want to be punished?" at regular intervals. (Yum.)  I say she had it easy, considering she was trying to end the world with the penis obelisk. Although the Xan the Man thing is true. And just as insane.

Also, as a member of the Spike Support Squad, may I just point out that all Spike's help from season 5 and beyond have gotten negated because he's a demon and had no soul. Never mind that he saved Buffy from being burned alive in OMWF and from getting eaten alive by her own self-righteousness in Dead Things. Never mind that he helped out the entire summer Buffy was dead - to Xander, all he ever wanted was a way into Buffy's pants. Quite frankly, I don't know why he bothers.

Ditto Anya, who's in trouble now with D'Hoffryn, and was abandoned by the Scoobs the minute she got dumped by Xander. Still, she helped out in the Willow apocalypse.

So Willow's not alone. And the thing is that neither Buffy nor Xander nor Dawn are reaping the fallout of their insanely selfish actions from last year - Buffy is all happy and bouncy and healthy in her (contrived, improbable) job, Xander's all (contrivedly, improbably) wealthy and successful, and Dawn is apparently the (contrived, improbable, does-she-have upper-body strength AT ALL?) Slayer-apparent and has inherited all the nauseating self-righteousness involved therein.

I've always fantasized about a Spike-Anya-Willow-Giles spinoff. And seriously, they're about the only people I care about now. Bring on "Ripper!"

acidburn - I think I know why you're underwhelmed by this season, because, outside of the end of "Lessons" and "Beneath You" I am, too. I think it's because it's all retcon, all the time. They barely remembered Tara, despite the fact that she was Buffy's surrogate best friend and Dawn's surrogate mom. Dawn is all caring, intelligent, and not obsessed with being abandoned. Xander is the wronged party in his and Anya's relationship. And WTF? Buffy now says she "dated" Spike? Sure, if by "date" you mean "they sex toy whom I repeatedly used and abused while he tried to help me out." Feh.

Also, the pacing sucks. I'm happy that they let the last Beneath You scene run long because JM hit a home run right there (I could have done with less shots of SMG's botox-paralyzed face, though), but everything else lags like a mofo.

End. The. Series. At. Season 7.
Title: Re: Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
Post by: acidburn on Oct 15, 2002 at 05:07 PM
can i just say word sistah!

yeah, a big part of my beef with this season is the inconsistency. Darn RETCON.

I don't mind willow getting punished actually as long as everybody else gets the same treatment. Instead she gets to be the whipping girl and the other two who are the two get to be self righteous. crud. I guess when joss said this is gonna be a lighter season, he just meant for buffy.

Thank you for bringing up Tara, I know not a lot of people like her but I do and this shabby treatment is just something i can't stand. According to joss she was "a big part of the heart of the show" and her death was supposed to be so important 'cause it was significant enough to make willow go all veiny and black-eyed and yet the first mention we get of her is about 3 episodes in and it's just a flashback (without visuals). It's like everybody just forgot about her.

spoilers for 7.04

Just watched the new episode and that's where they show willow visiting her grave. It's less than 30 seconds long and i fear that it's the last we'll hear of tara. feh. They might as well make willow go back to boys town.

as for spike, well, i'd prefer they decide if they want to make him angel 2.0 or make him evil again. This whole making him insane when the situation calls for it is just too wierd and doesn't work.
Title: Re: Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
Post by: Holly Golightly on Oct 15, 2002 at 07:54 PM
as for spike, well, i'd prefer they decide if they want to make him angel 2.0 or make him evil again. This whole making him insane when the situation calls for it is just too wierd and doesn't work.

I give you your big fat WORD back to ya, missy!

I hate sweeps. If not for that we'll have a resolution on CrazySpike by now. I want Spike to be able to slap Buffy - HARD - every time she does one of her eyerolls.  I LOVE JM's performance as SpikeDru, but enough already.

I saw the Spikish clips of Help, and I'm sorry, but I can't defend SMG's acting anymore. Whoever said many in the cast were just phoning in their performances was ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.

BTW, if you've seen 7.4, read this (http://www.geocities.com/newcassie/). v v funny. specially the guest book.
Title: Re: Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
Post by: acidburn on Oct 15, 2002 at 11:57 PM
hee hee. I was just gonna post that link when i noticed you edited your post to add it.

Great minds think alike.  ;D
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: pagan on Oct 16, 2002 at 03:18 PM
There is a previewlet of the next new Buffy the Vampire Slayer episode on Studio 23 (After Life[/b]), and non-spoilery screen shots at Tabula Rasa (http://pinoyslayer.tripod.com).  

Also, there's the same for the BtVS and Angel rerun eps on Star World.
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: Mr. Hankey on Oct 16, 2002 at 03:49 PM
Also, there's the same for the BtVS and Angel rerun eps on Star World.

Umm... you're mistaken on your schedule, since Buffy and Angel did not go into reruns on Star World when their seasons ended. They were replaced two weeks ago with Roswell Season 2 and Dark Angel Season 1, respectively.

FYI.
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: pagan on Oct 16, 2002 at 04:40 PM
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Umm... you're mistaken on your schedule, since Buffy and Angel did not go into reruns on Star World when their seasons ended. They were replaced two weeks ago with Roswell Season 2 and Dark Angel Season 1, respectively.

FYI.

Serves me right for not paying attention to what was going on in Star  :-[

Thanks, Mr. Hankey!
Title: Re: Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
Post by: Mr. Hankey on Oct 16, 2002 at 06:32 PM
I just watched 704. After seeing it, I didn't know if Help was meant as a title to the episode, or if it was a plea to the regular viewers to come up with original stories for them, since they're clearly all out.

I won't even spoilerfont it, since you've all seen this story before... back in Season Two.

1. Secret all-male society needs a woman to sacrifice to a demon to make them rich

2. "Surprise" leader of said society asks a Summers girl out, but with an ulterior motive

3. Slayer among the girls present when ritual for the demon to appear begins

4. Ritual requires all members of society to wear hooded cloaks

5. Vampire with a soul crashes ritual site to try to help Slayer

6. Willow uses the internet to try to help solve the mystery at one point

I'm surprised the show didn't have a "Based on David Greenwalt's Reptile Boy" credit.  :-\

They better do something soon, or the viewer erosion will continue...
Title: Re: Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
Post by: Holly Golightly on Oct 16, 2002 at 08:44 PM
I won't even spoilerfont it, since you've all seen this story before... back in Season Two.

Except this one wasn't funny. Or interesting. Feh.

End. The. Series. At. Season 7.
Title: Re: Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
Post by: acidburn on Oct 17, 2002 at 01:32 AM
watched it again but unlike last week's episode, it didn't get any better.

anyway, to be fair they didn't just spew out a lame remake of reptile boy. They had red hooded robes instead of brown!  ;D also to liven things up a bit they copied some stuff from Prophecy Girl too like

a) guy decides to ask a summers girl to a school dance instead of his best friend
b) Blonde high school girl finds out that she's doomed to die.
c) said blonde high school girl has a long teary monologue about why she doesn't want to die
d) The slayer and friends do their best to stop the prophecy from happening but it does anyway.

but like holly said, this isn't even remotely as interesting.

I think this episode can  be best described by one of buffy's lines in this episode...

"do you know how lame this is? bored teenage boys trying to raise a demon?"  ::)

irony is kinda ironic that way.

Oh is Cassie's dad the same guy who plays the sheriff on CSI?

ANd what's with home improvement guy? He's been pigeon holed in the Bully role. So far he's had the same role here, on Boston Public, and a couple of made for TV movies. poor kid.

edited to add a small rant....

I find it unbelieveable that the scooby gang spent more time mourning about this girl thay barely even knew than they did about Tara who was actually part of the scooby gang for a little over two years.  If this was supposed to be a parallel--someone good dies senselessly, and Dawn cries over that someone and that someone is mourned by everyone--then it didn't work. Because I do NOT believe that Willow and Buffy and Dawn and Xander could sit around and talk about someone dying suddenly and senselessly and not think about Tara especially since that day happend to be her birthday and she's too dead to celebrate it. ::)  :(

Title: Re: Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
Post by: gumby on Oct 18, 2002 at 11:40 AM
Oh is Cassie's dad the same guy who plays the sheriff on CSI?

I don't think so acidburn. I watched CSI regularly and this is the first time I've seen the guy.

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ANd what's with home improvement guy? He's been pigeon holed in the Bully role. So far he's had the same role here, on Boston Public, and a couple of made for TV movies. poor kid.

I was surprised when I saw his name in the credits - seems a pity to be typecasted doesn't it?

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I find it unbelieveable that the scooby gang spent more time mourning about this girl thay barely even knew than they did about Tara who was actually part of the scooby gang for a little over two years.  

I think they did mourn her...but they didn't show it on screen. ;D For me, the scene of Willow in Tara's grave was a nice touch - not too short to appear rushed and not too long to be boring.

All in all, I liked the fourth episode as it had a non-cliched ending. I was really expecting the goody-goody opposite.
Title: Re: Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
Post by: Mr. Hankey on Oct 18, 2002 at 02:08 PM
All in all, I liked the fourth episode

Do you ever not like a Buffy episode, gumby?  ;D
Title: Re: Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
Post by: acidburn on Oct 18, 2002 at 10:37 PM
Gumby: I checked and the dad's the guy from CSI. Not Brass 'cause he's not the sherriff. The other red haired guy who's always on Grissom's case. He was in that episode with the electrocuted construction guy with the nail in his boot.

oh and i think the grave scene was too short but Alyson Hannigan's Acting job saved the whole deal.

Mr. Hankey: Inggit nga ako kay Gumby at least he's still enjoying the show alot, i used to like buffy that much. Right now i think i'm just compelled to watch it to see if it has anything left.
Title: Re: Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
Post by: Redmary on Oct 19, 2002 at 02:10 AM
Arg. Internet that I pay for myself is bleeech internet.

Saw 7-04. Climax should have been more... climactic. And they were doing so well with the stunt work previously.

They should expand the hellmouth. Sunnydale's becoming too small.

I'm surprised at what I really liked about the ep, though. The littlest thing -- guest star Mike's "A+" hirit as he was leaving the scene. And other little things I failed to list down. Hmm.

Not bitter, still.  ;D Maybe it's the lack of internet. Right up until I actually see an episode, I know nothing about it, don't even discuss it or read discussions and speculations about it. It's completely cramped my online life, but it's returned me to the level of watching I used to have in season 2 -- don't know what's going to happen, don't care, just give me the d*mn episode...

I lost that feeling in season 3 because my Entertainment Weekly issue spoiled me for every episode. I lost it even more in successive seasons because of the Net and other sources.

But now I have it back (yay), though I know it's not the method for everyone. But it so works for me. For Angel, for Alias, for 24, all these shows I'm getting into now.

Except for Smallville, which I don't mind getting spoiled for, 'cause, we all know SPURNED LOVE IS HOW THEY BECOME NEMESISes. (Heh. Couldn't resist.)

Title: Re: Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
Post by: acidburn on Oct 19, 2002 at 03:02 AM
well i'm actually relatively unspoiled for season 7, aside from that page i accidentally wandered into which had brief TVGUIDE descriptions of the next 5 episodes. I was only completely spoiled for the first episode and after that i just waited to watch the episodes. Still very underwhelmed. I don't think the spoiler free approach helps me cause i was completely spoiled for every episode in season 5 and i still liked that season alot. I think it's cause i'm not really seeing anything that they haven't done before.

i'll still give it a chance though. Malapit na ang sweeps.  ;D They usually pull out all the stops then and if joss follows the formula, we'll be seeing the fake big bad (a.k.a. the little bad) around that time and finally get some buildup to the season's arc.

oh and i hear Aimee Mann and the Breeders wil play music at the bronze in some future episodes. (does that count as a spoiler? it doesn't really reveal anything about the plot right?)

In the meantime, wordgames like "she'll tell you" and "from beneath you it devours" just aren't reeling me into the plot.

for the record the plural of Nemesis is NemesES. I looked it up.  ;D

with that i bid adieu until nov.
Title: Re: Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
Post by: Redmary on Oct 19, 2002 at 11:13 AM
Have fun on le trip, acidburn!

Sayang, I was underwhelmed naman for most of season 4 (except for Hush, Something Blue, This Year's Girl, Who Are You and Restless) because I tend to imagine how scenes would turn out when I find out what's going to happen. Those eps were an exception because they had that visual thing going that I wouldn't have been able to imagine... Spike and Buffy chemistry, etc.

Biggest regret ko, though, was being spoiled for season 5. I was underwhelmed by "The Gift," of all episodes... I think it's a good ep, in concept, and I cried when I saw it, and I felt emotional and all... but admittedly, some of the stuff in it didn't live up to my imagination. (Like... the monks made her out of me? that's buffy's explanation for it?) And that made me sad, because Joss told this story himself.

Although I don't think my spoiler-free-happy method works on all shows, though. I'm spoiler-free for Dawson's Creek, and yet still sneer at the TV whenever it's on. Now that's a show that has to stop now, or end in Kevin Williamson slasher fashion.  ;D

And I read about The Breeders too. Through the Rolling Stone Avantgo channel. (Pretty much my only source of online stuff now.) Same place where I found out that Aimee Mann and Barenaked Ladies would be on West Wing! Avantgo rocks.
Title: Re: Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
Post by: Redmary on Oct 19, 2002 at 11:27 AM
And thank you, now that's where I saw the guy who played Cassie's dad! I kept bugging the sis with "where'd we see that guy?" the whole time.
Title: Re: Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
Post by: gumby on Oct 19, 2002 at 11:36 AM
Do you ever not like a Buffy episode, gumby?  ;D

Oh yes, Mr Hankey - I hated Prophecy Girl and Beer Bad. The first I hated the fact that it was a season finale and the second I hated because it was sooooo lame.

And I generally don't like S4 because of Adam - and the resolution in Primeval was also weak for me.

See...I'm not really a mindless minion of Joss after all  ;D
Title: Re: Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
Post by: gumby on Oct 22, 2002 at 09:42 PM
I just saw Selfless tonight and all I can say is I'm glad Anya's not really evil! And it was a doozy to see her singing again and in that cute wedding gown! And finally, her past was revealed! I also loved the little tidbits of continuity: Olaf was still portrayed by Abraham Benrubi and we were reminded of Buffy's sacrifice on Angel. Oh and it was nice to see Willow's not fully recovered from her S6 evil self. All in all, my second favorite episode of the new season, first is still "Beneath You".
Title: Re: Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
Post by: Mr. Hankey on Oct 23, 2002 at 11:35 PM
Here's the web site Willow was reading last week when she was investigating Cassie Newton. Since Cassie is "your typical teenage girl," her site is actually on Geocities. Hehehe!

http://www.geocities.com/newcassie/
Title: Re: Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
Post by: Holly Golightly on Oct 24, 2002 at 12:11 AM
i linked to it in an earlier post, but nice to see you've found it. ;D

re 7.5 wildfeed - nyah nyah nyah, buffy's heading for a smackdown. i may like this season yet.
Title: Re: Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
Post by: Mr. Hankey on Oct 24, 2002 at 12:29 AM
i linked to it in an earlier post, but nice to see you've found it. ;D

Oh yeah! I forgot to go back to that link of yours, since I saw your post BEFORE I watched 704 and didn't want spoilers. Not that spoilers would've mattered for that BAD episode.

Just finished my 705 download... should I watch it, or can it wait?
Title: Re: Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
Post by: Holly Golightly on Oct 24, 2002 at 01:36 AM
Watch it na. It's supposed to be really good. Anya's FFL.

Edited to say Holy CRAP! It's Aimee Mann on BtVS!  (http://fraz.fanforum.com/buffy/sleeper2.jpg)
Title: Re: Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
Post by: Mr. Hankey on Oct 24, 2002 at 10:50 PM
I finally watched 705: Selfless.

Best episode this season. I want to edit the musical segment into the VCD of "Once More, With Feeling".

My favorite part about the episode is that they finally addressed an issue that's been bothering me for 5 years now: from Becoming Part 2, when Xander lied to Buffy about Willow saying "Kick (Angel's) ass," which led to Buffy's sending Angel to Hell. I hope there's follow through on this reintroduced subplot, since emotions were running too high for Willow to clearly tell Buffy that Xander lied.

I enjoyed the first flashback... but I still don't get what caused the bunny-phobia. Did I miss it?  ???
Title: Re: Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
Post by: Holly Golightly on Oct 25, 2002 at 09:58 AM
My favorite part about the episode is that they finally addressed an issue that's been bothering me for 5 years now: from Becoming Part 2, when Xander lied to Buffy about Willow saying "Kick (Angel's) ass," which led to Buffy's sending Angel to Hell.

And this leads to my favorite peeve question: HOW did it lead to Buffy sending Angel to hell? Angelus had already shed his blood on the sword, and was Buffy supposed to TALK him out of it? Was she supposed to talk Acathla into closing his gaping Hellmaw? How was she supposed to stall Angelus? Would it be better for Xander to strengthen her will or give her room for doubt? How would it have changed events knowing that he was about to be resouled? The lie is a moot point.  </S2 nd S3 Xander apologist rant ended>

Edited to add: Joss! On why Buffy may end with S7! Yay!  I love this week! (http://www.tvguide.com/newsgossip/insider/021025a.asp)
Title: Re: Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
Post by: Mr. Hankey on Oct 25, 2002 at 04:09 PM
And this leads to my favorite peeve question: HOW did it lead to Buffy sending Angel to hell? Angelus had already shed his blood on the sword... The lie is a moot point.

To completely disagree with you: The lie happened BEFORE Angel had shed his blood. Buffy was already present when he cut his hand... she decapitated the "guard" vampire immediately after the hand slice.

Surely had she known Willow was working on restoring Angel's soul, she would've rushed faster towards Angel and may have been able to stop the ritual.
Title: Re: Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
Post by: Holly Golightly on Oct 25, 2002 at 04:18 PM
And this leads to my favorite peeve question: HOW did it lead to Buffy sending Angel to hell? Angelus had already shed his blood on the sword... The lie is a moot point.

To completely disagree with you: The lie happened BEFORE Angel had shed his blood. Buffy was already present when he cut his hand... she decapitated the "guard" vampire immediately after the hand slice.

Surely had she known Willow was working on restoring Angel's soul, she would've rushed faster towards Angel and may have been able to stop the ritual.

And how was she going to do it? By talking to him? Notice that if it wasn't for Spike's assist she wouldn't even have gotten that far. And he fought her with Acathla's sword - with all intents to kill her. How was she to stop that?

From the script:
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ANGLE: ANGEL

pulls himself painfully up and stumbles toward Acathla.

ANGLE: BUFFY

Pulls out a stake and kills the vamp.

She turns to look for Angel, sees:

ANGLE: ANGEL

reaches the statue.

Buffy dives for her sword, grabs it and heads for Angel.

Angel grabs the sword handle.

As before, light fills the room, stopping Buffy in her tracks as Angel is momentarily transported with electric bliss.

He pulls the sword free.



How would his not lying change anything? All Xander did was to buy him and Giles time to escape. Not a crime, and definitely not something he should be punished or excoriated for.
Title: Re: Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
Post by: Mr. Hankey on Oct 25, 2002 at 05:00 PM
Your quote from the script is much later than the point I said Buffy could have intervened. And I clearly did not mean "By talking to him," and you know that.

But who cares? Enjoy the show the way you want to interpret it! I know I do!  :)
Title: Re: Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
Post by: Holly Golightly on Oct 25, 2002 at 05:04 PM
Your quote from the script is much later than the point I said Buffy could have intervened. And I clearly did not mean "By talking to him," and you know that.

But who cares? Enjoy the show the way you want to interpret it! I know I do!  :)

Fine. Where, then? And what kind of intervention would the knowledge of the resouling have sparked?
Title: Re: Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
Post by: Mr. Hankey on Oct 25, 2002 at 05:27 PM
Fine. Where, then? And what kind of intervention would the knowledge of the resouling have sparked?

Had she known Willow was working on a "cure" at that very moment, her master plan would have been: "prevent the ritual from happening using any means possible to buy time" instead of "kill Angel".

From the way the episode is cut, Buffy seems to have been present and lurking at the start of ritual, even before Angel cut his hand with the small knife. A swift attack on him before that act, maybe knocking the knife out of his hand, starting the chaos BEFORE Angel had shed any blood could have, in my opinion, bought more time for Willow's spell to kick in without the portal to hell opening.

And now I feel I've overanalyzed this too much that I'm scaring myself! I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree at this point, since I fear if I analyze this any further, I'll be GONE.  ;D

Oh, one last point: On your other statement regarding this whole issue: Should Xander be punished for the lie?

Buffy should just treat him the same way any girl treats a guy that she knows lied to her about a major life issue.

That would be punishment enough.
Title: Re: Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
Post by: gumby on Oct 25, 2002 at 06:35 PM
I'm not gonna get into the ANGEL whatever discussion muna as I have not yet seen S2 in it's entirety BUT I'm glad you liked Selfless, Mr Hankey.

I saw Fool For Love again today and realized that paired with 7.05 and The Pack, spotlight episodes are sometimes better than multi-chaptered storylines.

By the way guys, what do you think: is S7 gearing up to be one of the best seasons of the series (in league with S3 or S5) or is this another repeat of S6?
Title: Re: Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
Post by: Redmary on Oct 25, 2002 at 09:03 PM
I enjoyed the first flashback... but I still don't get what caused the bunny-phobia. Did I miss it?  ???

Nope, you didn't blink too long... nothing on the actual cause of the bunny phobia. They probably didn't want to give away the farm.  ;D It does seem like something best left to the imagination.
Title: Re: Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
Post by: Holly Golightly on Oct 25, 2002 at 09:17 PM
Oh, one last point: On your other statement regarding whole this issue: Should Xander be punished for the lie?

Buffy should just treat him the same way any girl treats a guy that she knows lied to her about a major life issue.

That would be punishment enough.

Nothing to punish there, but we're dropping this anyway, so whatever. If you're looking for punishable lies, flash back to The Pack, where he "forgot" that he tried "felony sexual assault." Except OOPS, of course he didn't. I wanted THAT to explode in his face in Seeing Red, Actually, that's the ticking time bomb I'm waiting for.
Title: Re: Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
Post by: pagan on Oct 28, 2002 at 09:20 AM
Bwahaha!  Finally Xander's lie in becoming ("Kick his ass.") came back to bite him IN the ass.

I just hope that X learns something from this experience and gets over this whole "all demons are evil" conviction.
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: Mr. Hankey on Oct 31, 2002 at 09:54 PM
I guess interest in the show really IS dying:

More bad news for fans of Buffy the Vampire Slayer: That much-talked about animated spinoff series is off the drawing board. "We just couldn't find a home for it — which will baffle me to the grave," Buffy sire, Joss Whedon, sighs to TV Guide Online.
Title: Re: Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
Post by: Mr. Hankey on Oct 31, 2002 at 09:57 PM
acidburn's gonna have a cow:

Buffy Star Dead Again
Wednesday, October 30, 2002
 
Another setback for poor, lovelorn Willow (Alyson Hannigan) on Buffy the Vampire Slayer. The recovering witchoholic's deceased love Tara (Amber Benson) will not be resurrected this season after all. According to series creator Joss Whedon, Benson — who was slated to be brought back to life as a different character — failed to reach a deal with producer 20th Century Fox.

"It was a question of negotiations, as it sometimes is," he tells TV Guide Online. "It's sad, because I love Amber. But that's between her and Fox." Adds Benson's rep: "She's very proud of her work on the show, but ultimately, we couldn't work out the right deal."

Well, Benson's comeback, like her alter ego, was shot down, but that doesn't mean Willow won't fall under the spell of another enchantress. Whedon reveals that the sapphic Scooby "is going to meet someone" new. "I can't say whether or not it's going to work out, but she's definitely not joining a nunnery." Another definite: The onetime hetero won't be going back to boys. "This I will tell you without any equivocation," he says, "Willow's gay."

Well, there was that whole Oz (Seth Green) phase... "It takes a while for some people to realize it," reasons Whedon. "Truthfully, when we first started the [Willow-Tara love story], we were like, 'Is [Willow] bi? Is she gay? What do we want to say? What do we want to do?'

"We decided it would be unfair of us, particularly considering the circumstances of Tara's controversial death, to say, 'Oh, now Willow's over it.' Or, 'Willow's bi so we can have more storylines,'" he continues. "So, we do have somebody in mind that Willow will meet in the future who might shake up her world just a little bit — and it'll be a girl."
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: Mr. Hankey on Nov 03, 2002 at 11:44 PM
I think the following link will be of interest to those currently watching the show on Studio 23.

What should Buffy The Vampire Slayer do about her money problems? (http://www.bankrate.com/brm/news/advice/20011219a.asp?)

 ;D
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: Holly Golightly on Nov 04, 2002 at 11:30 AM
I guess interest in the show really IS dying:

More bad news for fans of Buffy the Vampire Slayer: That much-talked about animated spinoff series is off the drawing board. "We just couldn't find a home for it — which will baffle me to the grave," Buffy sire, Joss Whedon, sighs to TV Guide Online.

Joss, you moron, it's because you insisted on putting DAWN in it. Chuck her out, put in Spike and Dru and Faith and the Mayor.

Edited to add: JM is a good neighbor! An  anecdote (http://www.ew.com/ew/report/0,6115,387045~3~0~meettonysopranosfeisty,00.html) from one of his neighbors, an actress whom he helped with landing a part on the Sopranos. So.Frickin.Cute. I love my JM. </schmoopy>

The article is spoilery for The Sopranos nga pala.
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: Mr. Hankey on Nov 08, 2002 at 12:04 AM
Hi guys! I put a few comments on the Special Features of the Buffy Season Five DVD here (http://www.pinoydvd.com/yabbse/index.php?board=27;action=display;threadid=5967;start=0;boardseen=1).

In case you guys don't read it, can I still ask if any of you knows why Alyson and Sarah are conspicuously absent from ALL "special feature interviews" so far? It's been 5 seasons, and even the smallest characters participate in the DVD special features. Why don't they?  :-\
Title: Re: Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
Post by: pagan on Nov 08, 2002 at 02:32 PM
Was it a riot or what?

I really miss those really funny Buffy episodes. Like "Him".  Me want more!
Title: Re: Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
Post by: Holly Golightly on Nov 08, 2002 at 03:45 PM
You've seen it na? I do have a quibble with it <it's not minor - it's similar to one of my issues with season sux> but it will have to wait till the thon, I suppose. Just one thing: do the episode writers know what their fellow staff writers are doing on their episodes? Gyah.
Title: Re: Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
Post by: pagan on Nov 08, 2002 at 05:51 PM
Just one thing: do the episode writers know what their fellow staff writers are doing on their episodes? Gyah.

Hmm.. what do you mean?
Title: Re: Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
Post by: acidburn on Nov 08, 2002 at 07:12 PM
I finally watched 705: Selfless.

Best episode this season. I want to edit the musical segment into the VCD of "Once More, With Feeling".


i can actually do that. :) at what point exactly do you want that segment to be put in? I need a project since i'm already bored.

I know i'm late for the party but i have to say i liked the anya episode too. I just find it wierd how they cut in the musical segment. it looked like they put it in just for the sake of having a musical number.

As for "him", it had some funny scenes but i think it had to much preachy buffy. Liked the split screen thing with the cheesy music. reminded me of charlie's angels.  Was anyone else expecting the annoying one to scream "get out get OUT GET OUT!" again  when buffy and her were having that talk after the doomed cheerleader try out?  ;D i know i did.

One quibble though, can anyone explain how the jacket actually works? how come it only afffects women selectively?

so far my i still think season seven should be called "buffy-lite". Just a watered down version of the previous seasons with different packaging.  ::)

oh and re: amber benson

i was actually expecting that. From what i've been hearing from some reliable insiders, Amber Benson actually turned down the  role since she was supposed to go back as a baddie or something to torture willow. She didn't want to subject fans to anymore torture daw.
Title: Re: Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
Post by: Holly Golightly on Nov 08, 2002 at 09:16 PM
Just one thing: do the episode writers know what their fellow staff writers are doing on their episodes? Gyah.

Hmm.. what do you mean?

It's funny on the surface. If, however, you think about it, the episode is stupidstupidstupid.

Remember angry, black-clad Buffy of Selfless, who spat out "You have a soul, prove it"? How about the abrupt, bitchy Buffy of Help, who snapped her fingers at the invalid vampire and expected him to do her bidding?How did she go from that to "Xander, adopt Spike"? One could be left to assume that the events of Selfless helped her understand grey area Spike and Anya both reside in, but for God's sake, LET US SEE THE THOUGHT PROCESSES. Going from that to "I have...feelings" is just damn sloppy.  Plus I was expecting a storyline of some DEPTH to come out of Buffy's seeming heartlessness and coldness, but NOTHING. Screw this throwing a bone to the B/S shippers - what about a little goddamned consistency?

It's so disjointed - one of the things that first clued me in on the fact that S6 post-Tabula Rasa was CRAP was the disjointedness and failure to follow up on plot points presented in the previous freaking episode, and this is remarkably similar to that. (Remind me to post my rather cuss-filled post-As You Were <spit> rant sometime.>

Also, Buffy? Checking up on the demondemondemon she was so gung-ho to kill last week? WHYYYY? What's her freaking motivation?

Also, the whole "you soulless thing, at least Angel had a SOUL" thing has apparently become beside the point now that it's SPIKE that has a soul. Cause Angel's a champion and all that. Never mind that Spike showed remorse by looking for a soul - something that no other undead being has managed for himself before. No, the whipping boy must be whipped. Lalala, rape soulfully, my William.

Plus, Buffy must die. But that goes without saying.

Also, I hate Xander all over again.

UPN should just cancel the series. They're out of ideas. Spike should kill everyone dead and that would be the last episode EVER! <thank you Fanforum>

acidburn: Another curious thing: Xander and Buffy and Willow were at school with whatsisface's brother, who presumably wore the jacket as well. Why were there no riots THEN? How about while their dear old da wore the jacket? Why were there no riots of screaming women then? What if anyone feeling cold was to wear that jacket? It's quite a random piece of apparel, and right now, it's darn close to unisex. No random riots at any point in Sunnydale history because of a jacket, either?
Title: Re: Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
Post by: acidburn on Nov 08, 2002 at 10:03 PM
word on the lack on continuity and consistency not just in the plot lines but also in the characters this season. It's my main gripe. The episodes are ok if you look at them individually but they fail to make a cohesive whole like the episodes of previous seasons where even stand alone episodes served to further the plot a bit.

Oh and was able to watch buffy unspoiled (was forced to since didn't have a computer for three weeks) and it helped me appreciate the episodes a bit more. Still, not liking them as much as the seasons before though.

i'll wait until sweeps end.
Title: Re: Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
Post by: gumby on Nov 09, 2002 at 06:35 PM
Going from that to "I have...feelings" is just damn sloppy.

I think Buffy always had feelings naman for Spike but I don't think she has the courage to face up to it yet. Maybe that's why she would swing from one end of the spectrum and then to the other?

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Also, Buffy? Checking up on the demondemondemon she was so gung-ho to kill last week? WHYYYY? What's her freaking motivation?

Friends naman sila ni Anya talaga di ba? Well, relatively friends anyway. She didn't want to kill her naman last ep, just had to kasi Anya became a full scale threat na. And its been a week na naman since their confrontation - I mean I would drop by for a visit!

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UPN should just cancel the series. They're out of ideas.

I tend to agree on you on this one - I mean taking S7 individually, it's okay but comparing it to the past seasons, yeah I think it's not quite spectacular.

I'm taking S7 one ep at a time, enjoying it on a per episode basis - mahirap na at baka ma-S4 na naman ako. I mean I liked S4 if taken per episode - throw in the Initiative storyline and it's resolution? Blech.

I found Him funny but only if I take it on a per scene basis. I agree with you Holly - it is a stupid episode but I'd rather have this stupidity than er Beer Bad stupidity?  ;D
Title: Re: Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
Post by: acidburn on Nov 09, 2002 at 07:56 PM
heeey, beer bad was kinda funny. I think 'Him' was kinda on it's level, funny in some parts but ultimately pointless. At least it wasn't Doublemeat Palace bad which wasn't even remotely amusing.  ech. ::)

Oh and i was rewatching season 4 yesterday and I'm actually finding it better on repeat viewing despite the hokey initiative arc.
Title: Re: Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
Post by: Mr. Hankey on Nov 09, 2002 at 09:53 PM
My thoughts on "HIM":

1. Mildy amusing but definitely FILLER, in the same league as BAD EGGS and DOUBLEMEAT PALACE, BUT...

2. Any episode that makes Dawn look that stupid is FANTASTIC!

 ;D

P.S. - Yes, she was already in GETOUTGETOUTGETOUT!!! Position on her bed, but I'm glad we were spared.  :D
Title: Re: Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
Post by: gumby on Nov 09, 2002 at 11:44 PM
P.S. - Yes, she was already in GETOUTGETOUTGETOUT!!! Position on her bed, but I'm glad we were spared.  :D

Hahahaha  ;D - I actually screamed GETOUTGETOUTGETOUT!!! on that scene when my sister and I watched it  ;D
Title: Re: Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
Post by: gumby on Nov 10, 2002 at 12:18 AM
Oh and i was rewatching season 4 yesterday and I'm actually finding it better on repeat viewing despite the hokey initiative arc.

Some of S4 are outstanding for me naman - Fear Itself, Hush and the Faith two-parter are all excellent episodes  :)

By the way, on the subject of S7 rehashing some old plot threads - I just watched Becoming and realized: it was Angel's blood that opened Acathla's portal and it was his death that closed it. Isn't this kinda like The Gift - Dawn's blood opened the portal and it was her blood (okay Summers' blood) that closed it. Hmmm...  ???
Title: Re: Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
Post by: Holly Golightly on Nov 11, 2002 at 11:39 AM
Acidburn! You're back!


I think Buffy always had feelings naman for Spike but I don't think she has the courage to face up to it yet. Maybe that's why she would swing from one end of the spectrum and then to the other?

I think the writers are hedging their bets so as not to lose one shipper faction or another. Just the episode before they had Buffy say she would love Angel more than anyone before or EVER, and now here's Buffy with the FEELINGS for Spike. Yawn. Pull the other one.

I say forget about the shipper vote - only the rabid B/Aers and B/Sers are makulit enough to stick to any one ship after all this bullcrud. And die Buffy die.

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Also, Buffy? Checking up on the demondemondemon she was so gung-ho to kill last week? WHYYYY? What's her freaking motivation?

Friends naman sila ni Anya talaga di ba? Well, relatively friends anyway. She didn't want to kill her naman last ep, just had to kasi Anya became a full scale threat na. And its been a week na naman since their confrontation - I mean I would drop by for a visit!

You may have seen her actions from a different viewpoint. To me, the important thing about the other Scoobies' reactions this ep was that they were so complex - Xander was coming from the place that was still in love with Anya (thank GOD they made it believable this time. I never bought it before. At all. Not even in Hells' Bells). Willow was coming from the place where she indentified with the person who did wrong and was looking for a solution.

Buffy was the only one who was "I have to kill her." No ifs, ands, or buts - Anya to her was a clear and present demon danger who had to be stopped (and again, kudos to New Drew who tied this in with Becoming Part 2. Too bad the other Drew dropped the ball.). Never mind that she had a history of being an ally and a reasonable person despite her demonhood.

Hence the me weirded out by this current incarnation. It's annoying to be handed a complex exploration in one episode only to get an "oops, we're fluffy and nice again!" the next. Whiplash grows old really fast.

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UPN should just cancel the series. They're out of ideas.

I tend to agree on you on this one - I mean taking S7 individually, it's okay but comparing it to the past seasons, yeah I think it's not quite spectacular.

I'm taking S7 one ep at a time, enjoying it on a per episode basis - mahirap na at baka ma-S4 na naman ako. I mean I liked S4 if taken per episode - throw in the Initiative storyline and it's resolution? Blech.

I found Him funny but only if I take it on a per scene basis. I agree with you Holly - it is a stupid episode but I'd rather have this stupidity than er Beer Bad stupidity?  ;D

I liked Beer Bad. It was dopey but fun. And it wasn't insulting the way this one was.

Plus - foamy!

SPOILER: Clips from the upcoming episode, Conversations with Dead People, written by Drew Goddard and Jane Espenson, are available  here (http://mrvideo.vidiot.com/Buffy/promo7.html). Can someone download it and upload it to an HTTP site? My firewall is blocking me. Snif.
Title: Re: Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
Post by: gumby on Nov 11, 2002 at 01:29 PM
I say forget about the shipper vote - only the rabid B/Aers and B/Sers are makulit enough to stick to any one ship after all this bullcrud. And die Buffy die.

In any case, I'm more of a B/G-shipper ;D

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Xander was coming from the place that was still in love with Anya (thank GOD they made it believable this time. I never bought it before. At all. Not even in Hells' Bells).

Ewww - Hell's Bells, though a funny episode (in some parts anyway), was essentially totally stupid! Maybe it's just me but I wanna assasinate Xander and his lame ass reason! In the 7 years the series have been running, this is one episode where I wanna nuke Xander right off the face of the Hellmouth!

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I liked Beer Bad. It was dopey but fun. And it wasn't insulting the way this one was.

I dunno - I just wished the episode would end five minutes into it.   ::)
Title: Re: Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
Post by: Holly Golightly on Nov 11, 2002 at 01:50 PM
An essay, aka I love you, Stephanie Zacharek, although naked Spike is MINEMINEMINE.

Why Angel works and Buffy doesn't

We are basically given, for both shows, a team of writers who are fundamentally versed in the world of comics. But there is a dichotomy in approach to these shows that leads AtS to fit in with the graphic-novel universe, while BtVS fails miserably.

AtS is very much a comic-book setup, and is played as such. First, you have the setting...a big city with a seedy underbelly that a chosen few know of. These "champions" basically fight crime, aiding those who are helpless victims of it. It's the classic scenario. Then you have the heroes, which basically amount to a "costume" and the "real person".

Angel: The ultimate evil killer, given a soul and turned into a force for goodness
Cordelia: Bitchy, self-centered high school girl turned voice of compassion and empathy
Wesley: Stuck-up Watcher's Council idiot turned ambiguous bad boy
Gunn: Violent, inner-city kid turned loyal right-hand man
Fred: Enslaved scatterbrain turned brilliant but unpredicatble problem-solver

Yes, these are simplifications. But they basically amount to the ideal grapic novel characters. There's a "secret" side and the side that is revealed daily, and the times when the two sides converge are where we get our interesting development. Their interactions are always with the assuredness of both sides of the character. This really isn't multi-faceted, so much as great comic-book-style storytelling.

So, the problem with BtVS is that it relies much more upon actual character study, and not the nexus of different "sides" to a character to create conflict. And when the writers try to turn it into such, the story seems a bit flat.

BtVS is in an enclosed environment, unlike AtS. Sunnydale represents self-discovery, not the "world", as L.A does on AtS. Buffy is not about fighting the external, but the internal. Hell, I'd go so far as to say that the reason Sunnydale is set in a fictional realm and AtS is not further exemplifies this. Sunnydale is the individual, L.A. is the individual outside the bubble.

So, while sweeping trends and over-the-top plot devices actually work on AtS, on BtVS they only bring out the show's flaws. Graphic boxes cannot contain Buffy, though ME doesn't seem to realize this. As I have said before, comic characters are based upon established qualities. That which is evil is always evil, though it can be given intricacies and nuance (like W&H). That which is good is always good, though it can take a turn for the dark (Wesley).

When the writers try to force themselves into this mold on Buffy, a show that is far more about the individual, it comes up short. We get the "Spike is evil, with layers" mentality, but he can never really change, just be given more layers. And the layers and layers gang up on themselves and eventually, can't go anywhere anymore. The writers are too stuck in their graphic boxes. Plot and "POW!" and "BAM!" and "Gotcha". There comes a time when one has to reconsider direction in a television medium, if one's creations have stepped out of their boundaries.

Buffy has done this. She's no longer the "normal girl" inside forced to be a Slayer. Spike has done this. He's no longer the Evil Guy who can love. Willow is no longer the nerdy girl with hidden power. Xander is no longer Everyman turned basic hero. Time to give up the generalized dichotomies, ME. It still works on AtS. It doesn't here.
Title: Re: Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
Post by: Redmary on Nov 11, 2002 at 09:12 PM
Welcome back, Acidburn!

Horribly OT, but I'll probably be texting you soon about One Hour Photo meetage. You still ok for my side of the world, or do I have to go to yours?

Obligatory Buffy:
Heh. My stand on the season and spoilers has not changed. <insert here> Been watching with my sister. We're OK.

If I may throw a thought into the pot, however... Something has me wondering. I'm getting more text messages (now, re season 6 and 7) from friends asking for backstory, more demands from neighbors, former classmates, and relatives for thons (makikinood lang sa bahay!), and I keep trying to figure out why they want to know/see all of this NOW and not three/four years ago when I thought the series was peaking and I was pleading EVERYONE to watch it with me. (To the point that I brought my tape of "Passion" to my college dept's video library and popped it in for every killing-time-slacker to see.)  And still, hooked no one. With what I considered the best episode of the show.

All I got from that day was a comment from a teacher: "Why do you like Buffy so much? Is it because you relate to Willow?"

Bear in mind that this was season 2 Willow, who was, by Passion, basically just a geek and a sidekick.

"I'm not a sidekick!" I protested.  Although I am a geek :)

That, and "Wala nang ganyang sex talk sa States... ang old fashioned naman ng nanay niya." (re the Joyce and Buffy talk)

But anyway. Despite still watching and appreciating the show, I think the series peaked creatively a long time ago, and yet it wasn't when the interest in it (among my peers, at least) was the most massive. It's not fair, or maybe my pimpage skills are only now beginning to work. :) It's a bit amazing, because by season 7 I had almost no one talking to me about The X-Files. So now I have this OK, *now* you come to me for the info feeling.

I wonder why Angel hasn't caught on as much, though. I feel like it is more my baby. (I don't know why. I keep thinking of why, I can't put my finger on it.) There are only a few people I can talk to about the show. Sayang.

Title: Re: Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
Post by: acidburn on Nov 11, 2002 at 09:51 PM
i guess it's all because the series is now on channel 23. RPN sucks in promoting their shows.
Title: Re: Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
Post by: Jude on Nov 11, 2002 at 11:27 PM
Also maybe because Sky/Home got Star TV back and people were able to catch the reruns.
Title: Re: Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
Post by: Redmary on Nov 11, 2002 at 11:29 PM
i guess it's all because the series is now on channel 23. RPN sucks in promoting their shows.

It's the most likely cause, although it doesn't account for everyone.  One of them actually got into Buffy because he quit his job and started watching the Star World morning reruns. :) Another one was in the States and got sucked in by the musical. Another one in Singapore got blinded by the blondness of Spike. :) I think I pretty much established that I was the Buffy fan. It's fun to get the exclaiming messages of the fan who's fallen in love with the show for the first time.

And not only does RPN suck at promoting, it seems like they're losing any good shows to promote. Wawa naman sila.
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: gumby on Nov 12, 2002 at 07:55 AM
What was that leafy thing that Willow used for a spell at the end of last night's episode? She's turning bad na ah - using it to make Tara forget their argument! Bad bad bad bitca!  >:(

It's Once More With Feeling na next week! The much much much awaited musical had it's first year anniversary last November 6 - glad to know it's being shown just a little over a year in local TV. Studio 23's trailer for it isn't bad too - songs featured are Life's A Show and Under Your Spell - two of my absolute favorites.  ;D
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: Holly Golightly on Nov 12, 2002 at 09:12 AM
It's called Lethe's Bramble, and looks suspiciously like those dried flowers the Veritas Club used to decorate the Dominican College chapel with. Ah well. The rest of it will have to wait till OMWF.
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: acidburn on Nov 12, 2002 at 03:25 PM
my only complaint about the studio 23 promo for the musical is that it's spoilery. Not that it matters to me though.  ;D

do the marketing people in 23 actually watch this show and know how important non-spoilery promos are?
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: Mr. Hankey on Nov 12, 2002 at 03:26 PM
It's Once More With Feeling na next week!

The question is: which version will they show? Have any of you guys seen the version that's been cut to fit a 60 minute slot with commercials? It's very annoying if you're familiar with the full version. Some differences I remember:

[SPOILERS for the one or two of you who haven't seen the musical]

1. No musical montage/overture at the start. After the opening credits, it's Buffy singing at the graveyard already.

2. "I've Got a Theory/Bunnies/If We're Together" loses the "If We're Together" part COMPLETELY. Bitin talaga, since the song ends with Anya's "It must be BUNNIES!!!"

3. "Rest In Peace" has one missing stanza.

4. Dawn's ballet is gone [END OF SPOILERS]

I actually stopped watching at that point, and went back to my VCD version.

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do the marketing people in 23 actually watch this show and know how important non-spoilery promos are?

Well, considering they showed Buffy jumping off the tower and had a voice-over saying, "The Slayer must make the ultimate sacrifice" before the Season Five finale aired, I'm guessing the answer to that is: "No."  :P
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: gumby on Nov 12, 2002 at 04:21 PM
The question is: which version will they show? Have any of you guys seen the version that's been cut to fit a 60 minute slot with commercials? It's very annoying if you're familiar with the full version.

So that means the actual episode itself is like what? A little over 40 minutes? I am suddenly so glad I have the 52 minute version  ;D

However, I could live without your fourth spoiler, Mr Hankey.
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: Holly Golightly on Nov 12, 2002 at 05:13 PM
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The question is: which version will they show?

The full 52-minute version. Just got the word from the Powers that Be. Which means we are probably the first country to show the unedited version outside of UPN - the UK got the truncated one, as well.

From *ahem* - Studio 23 -

Studio 23 airs acclaimed Buffy musical episode, “Once More, with Feeling”

High-quality television happens at 8 PM this Monday, November 18, on Studio 23, when the network airs the higly-anticipated complete director’s cut of the musical episode of its fang-tastic treat, Buffy the Vampire Slayer. Series stars Sarah Michelle Gellar, Alyson Hannigan, James Marsters, Nicholas Brendon, Emma Caulfield, Amber Benson and Anthony Stewart Head will be showcasing their own vocal skills in this critically-acclaimed episode, which earned kudos from all of the top television critics in the world.

Studio 23 will also be one of the first countries in the world to run the full 52-minute version of the musical episode, entitled “Once More, with Feeling.” Aside from 23, only UPN, Buffy’s network in the US, has aired the episode in its entirety, and only once, at that.

Six months in the making, “Once More, with Feeling” was conceptualized, written and composed by series creator Joss Whedon, who taught himself to play piano in order to write the score. Whedon also directed the episode, which gets rolling by introducing a demon (played by three-time Tony Award winner Hinton Battle, one of the original Broadway cast members of  “Miss Saigon”), who causes people to reveal their deepest emotions while singing and dancing. Unfortunately for the citizens of Sunnydale, all this singing and dancing has a fatal downside: after a mortal has sung and danced for a certain length of time, he will burn up from the inside, die, and be sucked into hell.

Even more problematic for the Scooby gang is the fact that all of them have secrets they have yet to reveal to their friends. Xander and Anya have wedding jitters. Giles wants to return to England. Dawn is tired of putting up a brave face. And Buffy still hasn’t told her friends that she was in heaven.

Critical and audience approval has met “Once More, with Feeling” ever since its debut. In its year-end compilation of the “Best and Worst” of the year, Time Magazine singled out “Once More, with Feeling” as one of the top ten television must-sees, calling it “smarter, funnier and dramatically richer than ever.” TV Guide’s Matt Roush remarked that the episode was “a wildly ambitious, sensationally entertaining and unexpectedly moving experiment in (the musical) form.” The New York Times’ Emily Nussbaum called the episode “exhilarating” in a recent profile on Whedon.

Even more amazingly, its soundtrack album debuted in the top 50 albums on the US Billboard chart the week it was released – a remarkable feat considering that the CD was released by a small label and had nearly no advertising leading up to it.

Let Buffy the Vampire Slayer’s musical episode give you “something to sing about.” Tune in to Studio 23 this Monday, November 18, at 8 PM.
Title: Re: Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
Post by: Holly Golightly on Nov 12, 2002 at 05:15 PM
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If I may throw a thought into the pot, however... Something has me wondering. I'm getting more text messages (now, re season 6 and 7) from friends asking for backstory, more demands from neighbors, former classmates, and relatives for thons (makikinood lang sa bahay!), and I keep trying to figure out why they want to know/see all of this NOW and not three/four years ago when I thought the series was peaking and I was pleading EVERYONE to watch it with me. (To the point that I brought my tape of "Passion" to my college dept's video library and popped it in for every killing-time-slacker to see.)  And still, hooked no one. With what I considered the best episode of the show.

All I got from that day was a comment from a teacher: "Why do you like Buffy so much? Is it because you relate to Willow?"

My theory: The fault lies with the ep. If you were not on board with B/A, it looks pretentious, and you don't go on board with the ep. FWIW, and I could be wrong.
Title: Re: Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
Post by: acidburn on Nov 12, 2002 at 09:02 PM
you could be right. I personally just started watching buffy religiously duirng RPN's reruns of season three. Before that, i just occasionally saw episodes of season 2 while waiting to tape felicity or some other show for a friend. Passion was one of those ans i really didn't get how cool it was until i was able to watch all of season 2 from start to finish. It's really not an episode that gets you hooked on the show since it relies on a lot of backstory. IMO, it's best to lure unsuspecting non-fans with standalone episodes or the "very special episodes" i.e. Hush and the musical.
Title: Re: Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
Post by: Mr. Hankey on Nov 12, 2002 at 09:07 PM
IMO, it's best to lure unsuspecting non-fans with standalone episodes or the "very special episodes" i.e. Hush

I forced a friend who used to say "What's that Buffy crap you're watching?" to watch HUSH... and now he and his wife get the DVDs even ahead of ME, since they pay for DHL from Amazon UK.

HUSH is a great hook!  ;D
Title: Re: Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
Post by: Jude on Nov 12, 2002 at 09:23 PM
you could be right. I personally just started watching buffy religiously duirng RPN's reruns of season three. Before that, i just occasionally saw episodes of season 2 while waiting to tape felicity or some other show for a friend.

Ah... I remember the good old days (a more sane, less obsessive time) when I had to encourage acidburn to watch Buffy. Who'd've thunk?
Title: Re: Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
Post by: Holly Golightly on Nov 13, 2002 at 05:19 PM
Right-click  this (http://www.buffyverse.info/download.php?op=getit&lid=3362) to get the Sleeper trailer.

Acidburn, this should make your sister VERY happy. Le drool.

Also, *[color=#EEEEE]Aimee Mann has a speaking line! Fwee![/color]*
Title: Re: Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
Post by: Redmary on Nov 13, 2002 at 08:27 PM
What you all said re standalones: True.

And re the people who suddenly contact me for backstory, it's interesting to find out what eps pushed them to do it. Sometimes they need more context, sometimes it's just some regular filler ep. I always try to find out what they were watching at the time. Fool For Love. The Gift. Angel's IWRY. Homecoming. OMWF. Life Serial. (Huh.)

They should do a guaranteed-to-convert-your-friends box set. With a little backstory booklet.  :)

Holly Golightly, FHF sister: One of the first Angel shows my guy officemate saw was "First Impressions." (Of the "hop on, gorgeous!" and pink helmet, and naked straddling of Wes) He got freaked, and never watched Angel again.  ;D Am slowly trying to work it back into his TV habit.

That was OT a little, but I wanted to share.
Title: Re: Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
Post by: gumby on Nov 14, 2002 at 09:25 AM
Okay, just skipped through Conversations With Dead People - is it me or is this episode scary  :o?
Title: Re: Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
Post by: Holly Golightly on Nov 14, 2002 at 10:47 AM
They should do a guaranteed-to-convert-your-friends box set. With a little backstory booklet.  :)

That's a fabulous idea! But since they're not doing it pa - we should do a conversion kit for putative Pinoyslayers! I'll do the dubbing!

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Holly Golightly, FHF sister: One of the first Angel shows my guy officemate saw was "First Impressions." (Of the "hop on, gorgeous!" and pink helmet, and naked straddling of Wes) He got freaked, and never watched Angel again.   Am slowly trying to work it back into his TV habit.

That's so sad. Do we have a non-gay episode we can bait him with? How about Ground State?
Title: Re: Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
Post by: pagan on Nov 14, 2002 at 04:36 PM
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Holly Golightly, FHF sister: One of the first Angel shows my guy officemate saw was "First Impressions." (Of the "hop on, gorgeous!" and pink helmet, and naked straddling of Wes) He got freaked, and never watched Angel again.   Am slowly trying to work it back into his TV habit.

That's so sad. Do we have a non-gay episode we can bait him with? How about Ground State?

Hmm.. you can try, Redmary, but I kinda think that once you've gone FagHaggy, you never go back. Nyahaha!  ;D
Title: Re: Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
Post by: Holly Golightly on Nov 14, 2002 at 04:41 PM
Heh. We sound like a cult. (If you sin, instead of fire and brimstone, Giles punishes you. MmmmGilesSpank.)
Title: Re: Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
Post by: Mr. Hankey on Nov 15, 2002 at 01:48 PM
Okay, just skipped through Conversations With Dead People - is it me or is this episode scary  :o?

Just watched it today, though I got hold of it yesterday.

[SPOILERS]:

1. Dawn's bit was scary, in an "Exorcist" sort of way. And they've established her character as stupid enough to believe that was really her mother, so now she can get back to her "I hate you" issues with Buffy. Too bad, she was just starting to be "funny comedy relief" on the show.

2. I felt a bit bad that Jonathan's character ended that way, after 7 years on the show. But then again, I never really liked his character to begin with.

3. acidburn, am I right in assuming this was the episode Tara was supposed to appear in? It made no sense for a demon that can apparently morph into anything to choose a character Willow and Tara had never even met. I mean, even Joyce would've been a more appropriate choice to torment Willow.

4. Poor Buffy. To the two vampires and the most boring person of all time, she can now add "gay guy" to her list of ex-boyfriends. Boy, she can really pick 'em!

5. Have they ever done an episode where two of the characters in the credits didn't appear at all? Maybe Anya and Xander reconciled, and spent the hour having off-screen sex?  ::)

6. How can a vampire who CAN kill again allow himself to live in a closet and be treated as shabbily as Xander treated him last week? I would've bitten Xander in his sleep by now. That was him, right? It's a bit too much if that was still another manifestation of the morphing demon.[END SPOILERS]

All in all, I loved the episode. But I see that after a few "light and amusing" weeks, it's back to the dark tone of Season Six. Darn.
Title: Re: Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
Post by: The Stig on Nov 15, 2002 at 03:44 PM
my thoughts on some of your statements mr hankey:


2. me too! after all that he's been through surviving 6 seasons i'm surprised they let him go out with a simple stab wound. and by the way, i thought xander verified there was nothing weird about the school except for the principal's office

3. it WAS kinda disappointing not having the tara manifestation to torment willow but i think the actress who played it did so pretty well

6. i have the belief that it wasn't spike mainly because he showed no "chip feedback" at all

i have to say that i enjoyed this "slightly different" episode a lot. it really gave me the feeling that something awfully big is coming up. last time i felt this was probably the mayor arc.

from beneath you, it devours ;)
Title: Re: Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
Post by: Redmary on Nov 15, 2002 at 05:31 PM
Found the ep novel because it was odd. But they probably shouldn't do this a lot -- this ensemble works well together.  

All in all, I loved the episode. But I see that after a few "light and amusing" weeks, it's back to the dark tone of Season Six. Darn.

Do you mean it should be either-or? They go with dark themes and it means it's back to season 6 tone? That they go light and they're shunning season 6? Because what 7-07's tone reminded me of was season 3's "Helpless" ep. (Maybe it was the isolation. Although "Helpless" wasn't even half this funny.)

Amyslayer: Gyah! Punishing. And to guarantee that we shall be punished often, we'll have 700 types of sins. =)

You serious about dubbing the guaranteed-to-convert-your-friends Slayer kit? Because if I have a Pretty Copy of it, I can donate.

We should meet about what's in it. Will a 5-ep box set be appropriate?
Title: Re: Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
Post by: gumby on Nov 15, 2002 at 05:51 PM
All in all, I loved the episode. But I see that after a few "light and amusing" weeks, it's back to the dark tone of Season Six. Darn.

I think Buffy had always been laced with dark tones naman, even way back in season 1. And not all of season 6's episodes that had a dark tone is bad naman di ba?

Glad to know you loved the episode, Mr Hankey - I did too, now that I have seen it in its entirety. And suddenly I am excited on the mysteries revealed in this ep: the strange symbol at the school's basement and the new development on Spike! Finally, I say!  :D
Title: Re: Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
Post by: Mr. Hankey on Nov 15, 2002 at 05:57 PM
Do you mean it should be either-or? They go with dark themes and it means it's back to season 6 tone? That they go light and they're shunning season 6?

No, all I'm saying is they've opened a major can of worms with this last episode, which would seem to shift this season's mood significantly, making it closer in tone to Season Six than the earlier episodes made it seem.
Title: Re: Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
Post by: acidburn on Nov 16, 2002 at 06:22 PM
Ok a bit late for my comments on this ep but here they are....

I liked this episode, nice build up for whatever it is the big bad is gonna be. It was dark but it also had a good mix of humor thrown in. However,  I really don't like the prospect that they will be going back to the gloominess for the rest of the season.  I hope that if they do go dark again it will be more like season 2 with a mix of humor and drama instead of the downer that was season sux er six.

re: the big bad

Seems to me his MO is to divide and conquer the scoobies. Dawn will obviously have all new sister hate issues and willow will have more doubts about her control of magic. I think the spike they showed was morphy and not the real spike. It's probably part of the said MO. It'll make the scoobies want to get rid of spike and the big bad may want him to be part of his gang or something.

Re: dawn

not as annoying in this ep. She really should stop shrieking or at least do something about it so it's not in some ultrasonic ear drum shattering frequency. Oh and they've got a replacement for the get out line... Stop it STOP IT STOP IT!  ;D

re: jonathan

I don't think it's the last we'll see of him. Just a hunch (an unspoiled one!).

re: tara and amber benson

Yup this was the episode Amber Benson was set to reappear. It's pretty obvious that they planned on bringing her back if you listen to the dialogue in the willow scenes. I really didn't buy their retcon about Tara not being able to appear in her real form and having to use  whatshername. Just doesn't make sense. IMO, the scenes would have been more effective if Tara really appeared.  Kudos to alyson Hannigan for making it work though.

Funny thing about it is joss whedon gave the excuse that the negotiations were between AB and fox and that they didn't offer her enought money. The truth is AB turned him down because she didn't want the role (or so i've heard).


It eats you from the bottom.  ;D
Title: Re: Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
Post by: Mr. Hankey on Nov 17, 2002 at 01:13 AM
Here's word from Giles, from SciFi.Com (http://www.scific.om):

Head: Buffy Ending Soon

Anthony Stewart Head, who plays Giles on UPN's Buffy the Vampire Slayer, told SCI FI Wire that he believes the show will end at the end of the current seventh season. "It's not winding down. It's coming to an end," Head said in a telephone interview. "It's gone its full [course]. ... [Creator Joss Whedon has] brought it really neatly back into a full cycle. It's come back to the high school. And in terms of telling Buffy's story, in terms of saying how she has learned to deal with her gifts, if you like, and how it's affected her life and also the lives of all around her, it's ... reached the end of the story. ... It's not a surprise to anybody who's working on the show that it feels absolutely right."

Speculation has been running high that the popular series will end this year, especially since it's thought that star Sarah Michelle Gellar might not come back after her contract ends at the end of the current season. Publicly, Whedon and UPN have said that a decision about an eighth season remains up in the air, with or without Gellar. For her part, Gellar has said it's too early to say whether she'll be back.

But as far as Head is concerned, the creators of the show are ready to wind things up, and he doesn't think the show could continue without Gellar. "We've all talked about it," he said. "Who knows? In the world of TV land and network studios, nothing that the creative team ... wants always necessarily happens. ... Somebody may slap a wad of cash on the table and say, 'It must not end.' But at the same time, you know, as far as the creative team is concerned, this was the way it's always been perceived. ... It's good to get out on a high. It's not something you want to drag on. Now, at the same time, there are many plans afoot for how [a] franchise can be developed and be extended. So ... it may be the end of Buffy's story, for the moment. Now who knows? Somewhere down the line, we may pick up Buffy's story in another space or another form. I don't know. I would love ... that [Whedon] gets to make the movie that he always wants to make. That depends on a number of factors. I don't know."

Head is back in Los Angeles to shoot several episodes in which his character returns to Sunnydale. It's unclear how many more episodes Head will do, though he's believed to have committed to at least 10 this season. "We're in debate at the moment ... because I've got to go back ... to England," he said. "And we're just ... looking at whether they need me to come back before Christmas or not. ... People keep asking me how long I'm here for, and I keep saying, 'I haven't the vaguest idea.' And it's true. ... Sometimes it's useful for me to withdraw and not be here to help out. And sometimes it's useful for me to help out. I do know that my first big scene back, I had all the exposition. Give the English guy the big words." Buffy airs Tuesdays at 8 p.m. ET/PT.
Title: Re: Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
Post by: acidburn on Nov 17, 2002 at 02:23 AM
"it's not winding down. It's coming to an end.

truer words have never been spoken. Much as i love this show, it's about time i say.  ::)

slightly OT, but i just realized how much buffy and harry potter are alike...

* he's a regular teenager who finds out from a mysterious stranger that he has powers

*He's got a redhead for a bestfriend.

* one of his closest friends is a genius and the other's witty bumbling regular guy.

* he's got a wise mentor who watches over him and gives him advice.

* he  and his best friends work together to solve mysteries and to fight the big bad.

* He's got one of the popular rich kids in his school as his enemy.

* he ends up fighting a huge snake  ;D


Title: Re: Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
Post by: Holly Golightly on Nov 18, 2002 at 12:57 PM
Re Acidburn's post - I'm starting a betting pool nga pala on (spoilery for non-Harry Potter readers) *[color=#EEEEE]The Big HP Death. Cause it's the fifth year, and there HAS to be one. So who will it be?

My money's on Sirius Black because of the Buffy parallells nga - Joyce died in Season 5, remember? In HP, he's the main parental figure chuvalu. OTOH, there's also Hagrid. And Dumbledore. And McGonagall. And <snif> Remus Lupin. OTOH, it could be a compatriot. Hermione? (my money's on her to go EEEVILLL, though) Ron? Cho Chang?[/color]*

Who wants to take on the odds? Pitik lang sa kamay ang bet.
Title: Re: Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
Post by: acidburn on Nov 18, 2002 at 01:41 PM
mwa ha ha. cool. i really dunno who to bet on. But then it could be another new character like they did on Goblet of fire whereyou know what happened to that guy they just introduced instead of someone we already know.

BUT..based on it's buffy parallels, i predict that in book 5, Harry will discover that dobby is his brother but later on it is revealed that some wizards actually transformed a purple ball of energy into that form so Harry will protect it. Ron will be forced to choose between harry and Hermione and finally decides that he is indeed gay and right before the big battle in the end, Ron will ask harry out when they find out they might die. In book 6,  yes indeed, hermione will become evil and will fight harry to the death only to be saved by Ron's melodramatic yellow wand speech.  ;D

this is what you get when i drink too much coffee.  ;D
Title: Re: Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
Post by: Holly Golightly on Nov 18, 2002 at 02:08 PM
Bwahahaha! Ron Weasley: start carrying around a big-ass yellow crayon, just in case!

Why a purple ball of energy, though? BTW, Dobby looks like my suki for fish. And in Rocky Horror, Jett Pangan was made up like my Tita Babe. Weirdness.
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: Holly Golightly on Nov 18, 2002 at 03:47 PM
WATCH OMWF TONIGHT. 8 PM. STUDIO 23. WATCH OMWF TONIGHT.
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: acidburn on Nov 18, 2002 at 08:30 PM
hey i missed the first half 'cause i got caught up watching JAG. Did "Under Your Spell" make it without getting cut or censored?
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: pagan on Nov 19, 2002 at 08:35 AM
Did "Under Your Spell" make it without getting cut or censored?

I think so!

<"I've got a theory.">
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: Holly Golightly on Nov 19, 2002 at 10:40 AM
hey i missed the first half 'cause i got caught up watching JAG. Did "Under Your Spell" make it without getting cut or censored?

Yep. I taped it, so I have proof. I heart the oblivious MTRCB censors. :D

Aiiie! I now have three backup OMWF copies. I love technology!
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: utoy on Nov 19, 2002 at 11:53 AM
i love this episode, especially now that it has stories told and secrets revealed. i just can't help but feel sad for some of the characters especially buffy.
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: Dan on Nov 19, 2002 at 01:07 PM
hey i missed the first half 'cause i got caught up watching JAG. Did "Under Your Spell" make it without getting cut or censored?

Yep. I taped it, so I have proof. I heart the oblivious MTRCB censors. :D

Aiiie! I now have three backup OMWF copies. I love technology!

The MTRCB is so dumb, they wouldn't even know what sexual context is, anyway.
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: Holly Golightly on Nov 19, 2002 at 04:39 PM
Dan: Unfair! Yes they would, if they can identify it as a "pumping scene." (What is that, anyway? What if someone's at an artesian well?) Or if you show tits.

Anyhoo, Tony Head on TVGuide.com (http://www.tvguide.com/newsgossip/insider/021119b.asp). Spoilery for "Tabula Rasa" onward. And why does "Sweet Transvestite" vamp up in my head everytime I think of The Giles? I swear, even while watching OMWF last night, I caught myself singing "Transsexual, Transylvaniaaaa" under my breath.
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: Dan on Nov 19, 2002 at 05:15 PM
Dan: Unfair! Yes they would, if they can identify it as a "pumping scene." (What is that, anyway? What if someone's at an artesian well?) Or if you show tits.

I'm very fair. In fact, I've never been more fair in my entire life.

No one was spreading their legs in that episode, that's why the MTRCB didn't "get it." They're adorably stupid that way.  :)

And thank God, because if anyone even touched this episode with a pair of scissors, there will be words.  >:(
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: acidburn on Nov 19, 2002 at 06:50 PM
that's cool. Now to see if Entropy and Seeing Red survive uncut. Abangan....  ;D
Title: Re: Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
Post by: acidburn on Nov 21, 2002 at 10:14 PM
ok just saw this week's episode.

THe following article from EW basically says everything i feel about this ep....

Nothing Doing

 
Anya pretends to seduce Spike -- yawn! ''Buffy'' delivers a disappointing rehash of past shows, with few hints of the future, says Rachel Lovinger
 

After a string of powerful and entertaining episodes, this week's ''Buffy'' seems especially weak. Ostensibly, ''Sleeper'' gives a forward push to the season's main story arc, but it's filled with details we already know -- obvious plot developments and lame jokes. The entire episode could have been covered by one long ''Previously on 'Buffy'''... followed by a slightly extended ''Scenes from next week'' sequence.

From the ''Previously on 'Buffy''' file, it's no big thrill to watch Willow, Dawn, and Buffy repeatedly debating whether the Joyce (aka Buffy and Dawn's mom) who visited Dawn last week was their dead mother or a demon apparition -- especially because the rest of us have been discussing it for the past week. In other non-developments, is anyone surprised to learn that Spike's odd behavior is a result of manipulation by this season's nemesis? We already know that Spike had mind-bending contact with the evil force, and we know that it likes to pose as familiar people in order to mess with our heroes. So what's the news here? (Well, there's one new-ish detail: The characters themselves are now referring to the evil force as ''The Big Bad.'' I hate to say it, but this lazy self-referential nod is one of the surest signs that the show is preparing to wind down.)

The painful predictability of Anya pretending to seduce Spike when she's caught snooping through his stuff is only matched by his shock-free response: a polite decline. This rehash of the duo's unfortunate tryst from last season also calls to mind Spike's first impotent attack on Willow, after he was neutered by the chip in his head. But this week's Spike-Anya scene suffers by comparison, since it doesn't live up to the impact of the previous Anya scene or the hilarity of the Willow encounter.

Of course, the new episode hasn't left soulful Spike unscathed, and it'll be interesting to see how he -- and the Scoobies -- deal with the fallout. Which is why the moment that Buffy decides NOT to kill him seems to start the ''Scenes from next week'' portion of the show. Does that event really need to be followed by the long conversation about why helping him will also help the gang learn more about the evil they're up against?

The filler between the few important events starts to feel like a lame-joke competition. There are two top contenders. In this corner, Spike's recent conquest/victim, now one of the beautiful undead, asks him, ''Is that all I am to you? A one bite stand?'' In the other corner, rock star guest performer Aimee Mann is forced to utter the line, ''Man, I hate playing vampire towns,'' after the dusting of that same undead woman (briefly) interrupts her band's act.

What's going on here? ''Buffy'' normally shocks and delights, but it feels as if someone important was asleep at the wheel when this episode was written. Is that why it's called ''Sleeper''? In fact, the only moment with a slight element of surprise is when Giles shows up, only to have his fate left dangerously uncertain with an axe swinging at his head. If this were ''24'' I'd say he's probably dead. If it were ''Alias'' I'd say he'll definitely survive. But it's ''Buffy,'' so I'm happy to say that -- even if only for this one moment in an otherwise predictable episode -- anything can happen.
 


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What irked me, me a lot in this ep:

Spike gets away easily with killing at LEAST 10 (innocent) humans, while Willow is dragged to hell and back for killing two (far from innocent) humans.  All he has to do is claim someone else 'made' him do it ? If you accept that you should accept the reason that the dark magic made willow do it.  Seems ME wants to have their cake and eat it too. Somebody just stake spike already!

Anya really shouldn't have come to Xander's appartment at all, I don't see why she would. She could easily have just walked out the door instead of babysitting poor innocent Spike. Speaking of Anya, the difference between how Buffy handles Anya killing humans and Spike killing humans is kinda obvious isn't it ? It is amazing that Buffy thought it was her duty to kill Anyanka because she had killed a bunch of rapist frat boys but Spike murders 10 people in cold blood and well she can forgive that. I never like righteous Buffy anyhow, this just serves as more proof.

in general, I get a real "lets play out my contract" vibe from SMG lately...or maybe it's proof yet again that even a talented actress is only as good as her scripts.  From the beginning of S6, it's like Sarah just started "going through the motions" along with Buffy. Especially when she's supposed to be projecting negative emotions like pain or sorrow or despair, instead she just seems .... emotionless. Apathetic. And a tad bored. That's the reason (okay, one of MANY reasons) why I no longer like Buffy the character; I can't identify with her. I can't feel what she's feeling, because she's not feeling anything.

Things i liked:

CSI reference...funny.

Xander gets a punch in the face. mwa ha ha.

oh and finally...one should not joke about killing Giles! Giles rules!

ok rant over.  ;D
Title: Re: Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
Post by: gumby on Nov 22, 2002 at 09:28 AM
Speaking of Anya, the difference between how Buffy handles Anya killing humans and Spike killing humans is kinda obvious isn't it ? It is amazing that Buffy thought it was her duty to kill Anyanka because she had killed a bunch of rapist frat boys but Spike murders 10 people in cold blood and well she can forgive that. I never like righteous Buffy anyhow, this just serves as more proof.

But Anya killed the frat boys because she granted a wish on her own volition - Spike was manipulated by the Big Bad. I also think that Buffy has feelings for Spike naman so her leaning more to his favor is actually understandable to me.

Ummm, the frat boys didn't rape the girl di ba? They were just ridiculing her  ???
Title: Re: Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
Post by: Holly Golightly on Nov 22, 2002 at 11:07 AM
What. Gumby. Said. Although I do hope they get over all that SpikeNBuffy4EVAH nonsense.

Also, Willow killed out of revenge. Willow willingly courted the dark forces. Spike willingly let go of evil. Spike set his path for good. The difference is clear, wouldn't you say?
Title: Re: Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
Post by: acidburn on Nov 22, 2002 at 01:41 PM
Whatever Spike did for his soul was still selfishly motivated in my opinion. He didn't do it because he wanted to be one of the good guys but so that buffy would fall in love with him. Aside from that there's those thousands of other people he's already killed and he also tried to rape buffy. Weepy mopey spike is just angel lite. Somebody make him the fun evil thing he was or just stake him already!

I'm just sick of Buffy's righteous and biased "its-different-because-i-used-to-shag-the-guy-attitude".

re: willow

well if you think about it she killed those baddies and  wanted to destroy the world to relieve it's pain and to continue in the vein of last season's  unheard of "magic is a drug" arc, she was "under the influence" and technically not acting of her own volition. Now if they just had the balls to make it a "willow decides she doesn't want to be a sidekick" arc then i wouldn't mind all this torture willow every episode crap we're getting.

Title: Re: Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
Post by: Holly Golightly on Nov 22, 2002 at 02:07 PM
Whatever Spike did for his soul was still selfishly motivated in my opinion. He didn't do it because he wanted to be one of the good guys but so that buffy would fall in love with him. Aside from that there's those thousands of other people he's already killed and he also tried to rape buffy. Weepy mopey spike is just angel lite. Somebody make him the fun evil thing he was or just stake him already!

I'm just sick of Buffy's righteous and biased "its-different-because-i-used-to-shag-the-guy-attitude".

re: willow

well if you think about it she killed those baddies and  wanted to destroy the world to relieve it's pain and to continue in the vein of last season's  unheard of "magic is a drug" arc, she was "under the influence" and technically not acting of her own volition. Now if they just had the balls to make it a "willow decides she doesn't want to be a sidekick" arc then i wouldn't mind all this torture willow every episode crap we're getting.



Nobody's torturing Willow. In fact, I've always maintained she got off easy, considering SHE TRIED TO END THE WORLD, something Spike never did of his own volition. Seriously, if intention and motivation counts as much as you seem to say, Willow tried to end the lives of  billions, and whatever her intentions, she tried to end the lives of billions. By that reckoning, burn the bitch.

While it's important that Spike got the soul because he wanted to be a better man for Buffycrap, it doesn't change the fact that he went to get a soul. He knew what it would do to him. He still went to get it. And he was tortured for it, but he won it. He has a soul now. That makes him worthy of whatever second, third, and fourth chances he can get. That won't change just because he's the Scoobies' (and some fans') favorite whipping boy.

I'm frankly tired of people implying he got off scot free. Does it even LOOK like he got off scot-free?
Title: Re: Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
Post by: acidburn on Nov 22, 2002 at 06:30 PM
well ,let's just agree to disagree 'cause we're definitely seeing this from totally different points of view.  And just so you don't think i too mean to spike, i actually liked him in season 4 and his chip and i thought the whole falling in love with buffy arc and trying to be one of the scoobies in season 5 and early season 6 was cute and funny. I just started not liking him after the debacle which was season 6 and season 7's wannabe angel arc. I just wish they'd bring back sarcastic irreverent spike and do away with tortured crazy spike. it's becomeing really old really fast. ;D

I just don't get the characters anymore. It's like everyone is sleepwalking through their roles and there's no clear direction/vision and continuity anymore. I think J-dubya really meant to end the series back in season 5 and right now he's just trying to keep the show alive for as long as possible. I'm not enjoying the show like i used to but it's like a train wreck. You know it's gonna be bad but you can't stop looking.  ::)

hopefully giles' return will add some life to this show.
Title: Re: Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
Post by: acidburn on Nov 24, 2002 at 03:26 AM
technically i'm not double posting.... ;D

Anyway, sci fi wire interviewed JW (you can read it here  http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/art-main.html?2002-11/22/11.30.tv (http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/art-main.html?2002-11/22/11.30.tv) ). Apaprently it's been banned on alot of BTVS boards and slayage.com doesnt link to it (well it's kinda biased since it also doesn't link to negatvie reviews of the show)

anyway, methinks it's not all roses and puppies over at the Mutant Enemy camp and he's probably pissed at not being able to get SMG to sign on for another season. The following is an (over)analysis of his comments.

"Every set has it's own sort of tenor. The thing about Firefly is ... that this whole cast, ... they're extremely kind and professional, and they get along, and they help each other, and they work hard.

this could be read as the angel/buffy cast are not kind and professional - and don't get along - and don't help each other nor do they work hard.

....then he clarifies
I'm not saying my other casts don't work hard.

...which leaves the reader to believe the angel/buffy casts are not kind and professional - and don't get along - and don't help each other

...then he clarifies again

And some of them get along, and it's great.

...leaving us to reason - the B/A casts are not kind and professional - and some don't get along - and none of them help each other.

But there's a star, and then there's the ensemble. And there's tensions on the set. ... It's not one big happy family.

thus dissing SMG/DB and telling the world it ain't all rolling in puppies at work where everyone is pissie.

It seldom is on a television set. And [in Firefly,] I've got nine people, all of whom are great in a scene.

...so on angel and buffy not all the cast are great in a scene.

Any pair of them works great.]
...so on angel and buffy some parings don't work

And all of them doing their best to help each other out.
...repeating this point again whedon drives home the fact that the cast of angel and buffy are not generous/willing to help each other out

It's early on still. But they really feel like an ensemble than any bunch I've worked with.

... which would be another diss at buffy and angel

for whedon to be saying the angel and buffy cast have prima donna leads and cast members who he can't pair because they are fighting - or who can't get along or cut it as an ensemble - is a major taint on said leads/cast members and HURTS their future employment opps

given his comments people are going to speculate -

AH and SMG have had very little screen time together of late - whedons comments open the door to speculation that they can't get along. All kinds of rumors about CC have been running around - whedons comments open the door to speculation she is fighting with other cast members/is a prima donna. SMG's announcement to the media prior to telling whedon she would not do a movie or another season of buffy - again leads to prima donna/fighting speculation given whedons comments.

NO Wonder SMG doesn't want to sign on for another season.

and more bad news (well for me anyway) apparently American Pie 3 will be filming in January so that means less time for Willow (and probably more dawn?! ugh.).  
Title: Re: Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
Post by: gumby on Nov 24, 2002 at 10:59 AM
I just saw Sleeper in its entirety - while I agree with acidburn that it is an episode filled with "details we already know", it is also a "gathering before the storm" episode. The entire scooby gang are finally coming together as the big bad finally makes its presence known.

The episode also had some of the funniest lines this season (so far) for me - and it all came from Anya! I honestly laughed out loud at her scene with Xander (who looked so spiffy in formal business wear IMO) and Spike (!).

I was kinda irked that Dawn kept Joyce's message a secret, and its so obvious that it'll play in something major later, but I wish it was played out while it's still minor.

If Beneath You made me a believer in Spike, this episode left me in awe of his acting abilities! James Masters deserves an award for his acting - even if restricted to this season only!

And Holly, let me get this straight - you like Spike but you don't like the b/s arc, am I right? Just wanna get it clear lang  :)
Title: Re: Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
Post by: pagan on Nov 25, 2002 at 09:19 AM
4. Poor Buffy. To the two vampires and the most boring person of all time, she can now add "gay guy" to her list of ex-boyfriends. Boy, she can really pick 'em!

Aww.. you shouldn't mock people's choices of boyfriends/girlfriends.  Even I've been looking for an amnesia spell for me and my ex's  ;D

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6. How can a vampire who CAN kill again allow himself to live in a closet and be treated as shabbily as Xander treated him last week? I would've bitten Xander in his sleep by now. That was him, right? It's a bit too much if that was still another manifestation of the morphing demon.

I guess that got explained later in Sleeper, right?

By the way, that was brilliant the way that Bronze song was entitle's "Pavlov's Bell"  :)
Title: Re: Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
Post by: pagan on Nov 25, 2002 at 09:37 AM
What irked me, me a lot in this ep:

Spike gets away easily with killing at LEAST 10 (innocent) humans, while Willow is dragged to hell and back for killing two (far from innocent) humans.  All he has to do is claim someone else 'made' him do it ? If you accept that you should accept the reason that the dark magic made willow do it.

I think they're completely different situations.  I KNOW Spike was totally under someone else's control because the darn chip didn't even kick in during the killing.  That's how powerful the control was.  And with Willow, it wasn't the magick that made her go bad, it was her grief.  I've done enough evil things during days of depression to know this.

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Seems ME wants to have their cake and eat it too. Somebody just stake spike already!

*channeling the characters of RHS during slo-mo*
Noooooo!

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Speaking of Anya, the difference between how Buffy handles Anya killing humans and Spike killing humans is kinda obvious isn't it ? It is amazing that Buffy thought it was her duty to kill Anyanka because she had killed a bunch of rapist frat boys ..

The frat boys didn't rape anyone.  They just humiliated a girl.

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..but Spike murders 10 people in cold blood and well she can forgive that. I never like righteous Buffy anyhow, this just serves as more proof.

Again, I say it wasn't Spike who murdered those people. It was that bottom-devouring evil.  And Buffy's decision to kill Anya wasn't because of a fit of self-righteousness.  It was because Anya was on a killing spree and Buffy knew that something had to be done or more people would be killed.  If I recall rightly, that's in her Slayer job description.  And Buffy's Angel analogy was apt.

Forgiven or not (even if it wasn't his fault), Spike should NOT be killed.  Why? Because the whole setup was so obviously made so Buffy would WANT to kill Spike.  If Buffy killed him, she would be doing exactly what the Evil thing wanted her to do.  Just like if Willow had been convinced to kill herself by the Evil-as-Cassie, she would be contributing to the great Evil Plan.
Title: Re: Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
Post by: acidburn on Nov 26, 2002 at 05:38 AM
Like i said, let's just agree to disagree 'cause the "Spike-is-not-really-evil-'cause-the-devil-made-him-do-it" argument isn't any more convincing since the first time heard it. Same goes for your Willow argument.

So, after watching this week's episode (7.09 Never Leave me), I'm a believer that all this big badness could have been prevented if they buffy had just staked spike last week. Heck they could have prevented it if they staked Spike in the beginning of this ep like Anya and Dawn suggested.  *ducks to avoid all the stakes being thrown her way*. Seriously, Dusty Spike= no bloody sacrifice= no big bad morphy.

Anyway, wherever Spike is right now, I'm just hoping that he'll be more interesting when they bring him back. I swear if they bring him back again just to have him tell buffy he loves her again, i'll scream. grr argh.

Of course they just conveniently not mention if we should start calling giles "Nearly Headless Rupert" from now on. That way, you'll actually tune in when they air the next new episode on Jan 14. Now you can watch the previous episodes all over again for the next 7 weeks 'cause  they're really really good ::)
Title: Re: Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
Post by: gumby on Nov 29, 2002 at 09:28 AM
Just saw Never Leave Me - whoa! Now I know who the real villains of the series are: Joss and Marti! Darn them - how could they present cliffhangers like that and not follow 'em up immediately? The suspense is killing me! Last episode's ending was nail-biting enough and now they present another one - just when they went on hiatus! Darn darn darn!

I'm not a big fan of the b/s relationship but their conversations in this ep (in the bedroom and in the basement) were actually nice.

The appearance of the Watcher's Council was very welcome - been wanting to see more of 'em since Checkpoint.

Dawn's turning out to be a real fighting bitca! Anya - what else can I say? Last episode she made me laugh and now, she made me laugh even more!

Regardless of what other fans might say, I'm enjoying this season immensely. I mean this is the season I finally liked Spike and Dawn!  ;D
Title: Re: Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
Post by: Mr. Hankey on Nov 30, 2002 at 01:50 PM
Re: 709

Now that was a good episode. It had all the aspects of a classic Buffy episode: action, drama, romance, comedy, suspense, horror... and the mix was just right.

My hands-down favorite line:

Buffy: "I think we need to get (Spike) some blood."

Willow: "You want me to kill Anya?"

 ;D
Title: Re: Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
Post by: The Stig on Nov 30, 2002 at 02:40 PM
Glad to hear you liked the episode Mr. Hankey :)

was able to finish downloading the ep last right about past midnight. i have to say that i enjoyed this one a lot. watching Anya and Xander playing good cop-bad cop on Andrew was hilarious. i also liked the encounter between Willow and Andrew("hey your hair isnt even black anymore" ;D).

i also like the way they're playing up the villain here. bringing out the watcher's council is a nice touch. it certainly whets my appetite on how they will bring in Faith in the storyline(Ms Dushku has signed on right?).

its just sad that we all have to wait about 2 months for our next fix >:(
Title: Re: Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
Post by: gumby on Dec 03, 2002 at 09:30 AM
Just read in www.epguides.com that Joss has confirmed that season 7 will be Buffy's last.  :'(

I know the series should end na but still I feel sad. Hope they go out with a bang though  ;D
Title: Re: Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
Post by: acidburn on Dec 03, 2002 at 10:07 PM
from what i heard, that's still an unconfirmed story but ratings wise, buffy has been underperforming and it's being slaughtered by Gilmore girls which airs opposite it. Even more bad news is come January, Fox is going to air "American Idol"  at the same time so that will mean possibly even lower ratings. Anyway, the bottomline is UPN is losing money because of Buffy and so it's very doubtful they'll sign up for another year especially if SMG is set to move on after this.

Don't think spin-offs are looking good either.

EDITED TO ADD: NEXT NEW EPISODE ON DEC 17, 2002
Title: "Fool for Love"
Post by: pagan on Dec 10, 2002 at 09:35 AM
I didn't get to catch FFL when it was re-run last night, but my friend kept texting me throughout the episode.  Spike this, Spike that, blah blah blah.  Methinks she's in love, and I can't exactly blame her  ;D

Too bad it didn't go back-to-back with "Darla" again, huh?
Title: Re: Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
Post by: Mr. Hankey on Dec 26, 2002 at 09:57 PM
Guys, it's more than a week old. No comments yet about 7.10: "Bring on the Night"?

I'll start: What's up with Giles? Is he Ghost Giles like Nearly Headless Nick that any physical contact with people or objects will cause his head to fall off? Is he a manifestation of "The First Evil" and he's the one who's devouring them from beneath? Or is he some other manifestation, maybe the original foe of "The First Evil"... ergo, "The First Good"?

Or did he just suddenly develop intimacy issues?  ::)
Title: Re: Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
Post by: The Stig on Dec 26, 2002 at 11:29 PM
hey Hankey, thanks for bumping this thread up. ive been looking for it since a couple of days ago. about Giles, i dunno about your theories, im just waiting for them to explain how the hell he survived that axe. maybe a steel collar perhaps? ::) or maybe the hooded guy has a really bad aim since he IS wearing a hood. ;D anyway, this episode was great for me, if only for the fact that i wasnt expecting to be watching a new buffy episode until about another 2 weeks. and it finally answered my question about how does anybody know who the next slayer is. plus it seems to be a nice set up for the return of Faith. ;)
Title: Re: Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
Post by: Mr. Hankey on Dec 26, 2002 at 11:50 PM
im just waiting for them to explain how the hell he survived that axe. maybe a steel collar perhaps?

You actually think he survived?

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and it finally answered my question about how does anybody know who the next slayer is.

I think they all die leaving no one but S C R A P P Y to take over...  :-\
Title: Re: Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
Post by: acidburn on Dec 31, 2002 at 10:48 PM
or the piper perabo lookalike who's coming on to willow.

I think they'll keep whoever clicks with the audience.

and re: giles

He's probably a ghost ala the sixth sense.

ANybody ese think this recent episode with buffy's "i don't know how to kill it, it's too powerful" tirade and that "we can do this if we're together" speech at the end is very reminiscent of season 5's showdown with glory?

Title: Re: Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
Post by: gumby on Dec 31, 2002 at 11:05 PM
You actually think he survived?

I don't think Giles avoided the axe - it swung too close to leave any margins for escape! However, I don't think he died - I think he came prepared. It could be a personal forcefield or he was astral projecting himself but I think Ripper survived that axe.

Or am I just hoping too much?  :'(

Anyway, I loved Bring On The Night as the slayer FINALLY decides to become proactive rather than reactive. The speech was delivered really well by SMG - rah rah rah team go go go!  ;D
Title: Re: Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
Post by: pagan on Jan 03, 2003 at 12:31 PM
I don't think Giles avoided the axe - it swung too close to leave any margins for escape! However, I don't think he died - I think he came prepared. It could be a personal forcefield or he was astral projecting himself but I think Ripper survived that axe.

Or am I just hoping too much?  :'(

You and me both! Do you think if we hope hard enough, our hopes will come true?  Aargh!!  GILESSSSS!!!

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Anyway, I loved Bring On The Night as the slayer FINALLY decides to become proactive rather than reactive. The speech was delivered really well by SMG - rah rah rah team go go go!  ;D

Yeah, it was about time actually.  Go team.  ;D

Anyone here know when the new eps will start to air?
Title: Re: Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
Post by: Mr. Hankey on Jan 03, 2003 at 11:54 PM
Anyone here know when the new eps will start to air?

In four days - January 7th. Then every other week: January 21st, then February 4th.
Title: Re: Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
Post by: gumby on Jan 05, 2003 at 09:28 PM
FINALLY decides to become proactive rather than reactive.

I have an addition: Buffy DID go on proactive stance before na pala - in season 3's Choices. It went sour though but I guess it's not her fault  ;D
Title: Re: Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
Post by: gumby on Jan 10, 2003 at 10:21 AM
Just saw the latest ep - Showtime.

Buffy's battle with the uber-vamp was phenomenal! I was actually holding my breath as the Turok-Haan creamed Buffy, then cheered when she finally decapitated him!

Hmmm, seems the slayers-in-training are increasing in number every episode - last week we had three, then minus one, then three more this ep. If this continues, by the time Faith returns, everyone'll be sleeping on the lawn!

Andrew's scenes are so funny! I liked his comic book references and his child-like retorts! Maybe he and Anya could pair up? That'd be a hoot!

Anya had the best line in the ep, however: "I'll have sex with you"! ;D

I was surprised by the telepathic link between Buffy, Willow and Xander but it was a nice touch.

Giles oh Giles - are you really dead or not? Seems he's not but there's still that uncertainty.
Title: Re: Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
Post by: pagan on Jan 13, 2003 at 05:55 PM
Just saw the latest ep - Showtime.

Buffy's battle with the uber-vamp was phenomenal! I was actually holding my breath as the Turok-Haan creamed Buffy, then cheered when she finally decapitated him!

Now that was a fight.


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Hmmm, seems the slayers-in-training are increasing in number every episode - last week we had three, then minus one, then three more this ep. If this continues, by the time Faith returns, everyone'll be sleeping on the lawn!

Yay, Faith!

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Andrew's scenes are so funny! I liked his comic book references and his child-like retorts! Maybe he and Anya could pair up? That'd be a hoot!

Eww!! Still, yes, Andrew v. funny.

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Anya had the best line in the ep, however: "I'll have sex with you"! ;D

I still think the best line was:
"Those were entrails."

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I was surprised by the telepathic link between Buffy, Willow and Xander but it was a nice touch.

They used to do it in "The Gift" and beginning of season six, remember?

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Giles oh Giles - are you really dead or not? Seems he's not but there's still that uncertainty.

Ah, I know what ME is trying to do.  Get us all distracted so we'd stop thinking about whether Giles is real or not, then plunge the knife in and twist!  Giles, live!  For me!

I think I must've watched this episode 7 times!
Title: Re: Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
Post by: Mr. Hankey on Jan 14, 2003 at 12:52 AM
Giles oh Giles - are you really dead or not? Seems he's not but there's still that uncertainty.

Huh? Did we watch the same show? There's no way a "live" Giles wouldn't have hugged Anya when she arrived at that disturbing conclusion...
Title: Re: Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
Post by: pagan on Jan 14, 2003 at 10:20 AM
Giles oh Giles - are you really dead or not? Seems he's not but there's still that uncertainty.

Huh? Did we watch the same show? There's no way a "live" Giles wouldn't have hugged Anya when she arrived at that disturbing conclusion...

Huh?  Why would Giles (alive or not) want to hug Anya for arriving at that conclusion?
Title: Re: Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
Post by: Mr. Hankey on Jan 14, 2003 at 10:23 AM
Huh?  Why would Giles (alive or not) want to hug Anya for arriving at that conclusion?

To (falsely) reassure her that although it's their fault, things will be okay?   ::)
Title: Re: Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
Post by: pagan on Jan 14, 2003 at 02:29 PM
Huh?  Why would Giles (alive or not) want to hug Anya for arriving at that conclusion?

To (falsely) reassure her that although it's their fault, things will be okay?   ::)

I don't think Giles would be the type to do that.  Because what Anya said was true, technically.  That it WAS their fault. And Giles didn't exactly try to hide the fact from Willow that he thought resurrecting Buffy was a stupid and dangerous thing to do.  Although he never said the same to the other Scoobies, he never said he thought it was a good thing.

Besides, Anya isn't one to buy false reassurances, and even Giles knows that.
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: Mr. Hankey on Jan 14, 2003 at 11:50 PM
From SciFi.Com (http://):

Buffy Mates Engaged

Angel co-star Alexis Denisof told SCI FI Wire that he became formally engaged to former Buffy the Vampire Slayer castmate Alyson Hannigan (Willow) over the Christmas break. "I'm the luckiest guy in the world right now," a beaming Denisof said in an interview at The WB's winter press preview. "Sorry. She's mine. All mine! Ha ha ha ha!"

Denisof, 36, who plays former Watcher Wesley Wyndam-Pryce on Angel, met Hannigan, 28, when they both appeared on UPN's Buffy, and the two have been dating since Denisof moved to The WB's Buffy spinoff series. He said he decided to propose while the two took a break from production for the holidays. "We were driving up to my family up in Seattle during the Christmas break from our shows," he said. "And I had the ring. And I had thought of a hundred different crazy, romantic, complicated plans of asking her. And at the end, I was just like, 'You know, I'm going to keep it simple, and I'll know when it's the right time.'"

Denisof added, "So I had the ring with me. .. It was burning a hole in the ... armrest of my car, where it was locked. And we drove all night from L.A. to get north of San Francisco, so we could spend the following day in Napa Valley. And we were just having the most perfect day. We stopped at a winery, and stopped at a Dean and Deluca and got some beautiful food to make a picnic, and then we drove up to a mountain lake in Napa Valley. And it was there that I asked her. And lucky for me, she said yes."

The couple have set a tentative September or October date for the nuptials, which will likely take place in California, Denisof said. Meanwhile, he said, "We're both working on our shows, and she's also doing the third American Pie movie, so ... I won't actually see her until March [laughs]. So if we can manage to plan a wedding, then we'll be doing pretty well, yeah. But we're shooting for September or October if possible." Angel airs an original episode in its new 9 p.m. ET/PT Wednesday timeslot on Jan. 15; Buffy airs Tuesdays at 8 p.m. ET/PT.
Title: Buffy Mates Engaged
Post by: pagan on Jan 16, 2003 at 12:16 PM
Thanks, for posting that bit of news Mr. Hankey!

Would I kill to be invited to that wedding or what?
Title: First Philippine Sci-Fi & Fantasy Convention
Post by: pagan on Jan 16, 2003 at 03:36 PM
Buffy/Angel fans might be interested to know there's a Convention (http://www.via-astris.ph/scificon/) coming up.
Title: Re: Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
Post by: pagan on Jan 16, 2003 at 03:45 PM
Buffy/Angel fans might be interested to know there's a Convention (http://www.via-astris.ph/scificon/) coming up.
Title: Re: Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
Post by: gumby on Jan 24, 2003 at 09:19 AM
Just saw Potential:


"Dawn the vampire slayer" - finally the show addressed the dreaded question that had been in everybody's mind since season 7 was announced as the last of the series. While the episode didn't resolve it, the possibility was explored and eventually "shifted".

I loved Dawn when she took the initiative to deal with the vamp in the school, and was actually awed by her maturity in turning over the "torch" to Amanda when she realized she wasn't really a chosen one. She might be whiny and irritating sometimes but episodes like Checkpoint, Him and Conversations with Dead People makes me like here more than say Willow (sometimes anyway).

The inclusion of Andrew to the supporting cast is a brilliant move! The male version of Anya has become a pleasure to watch - from comic book references to his pouting, arms-crossed-over-his-chest stance! Anya still had the best comedic lines but Andrew's catching up!

The slayerettes are now a fun bunch to watch - some are whiny, some are strong-willed but all are different and are actually individuals.

Finally, the superb Xander speech - "seven years Dawny, seven years - the witch, the demon" - I actually got misty-eyed when he kissed Dawn on the forehead. Again, people might hate him (and I did in Hell's Bells) but in s7, he's bouncing back! Aside from this episode, his speech in Selfless was also equally heartbreaking - if nothing else, s7 is turning out to have the most emotional speeches (Buffy's Bring On The Night also comes to mind).

All in all, it was a nice "quiet" episode after the action of the last two.
Title: Re: Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
Post by: gumby on Feb 06, 2003 at 08:31 PM
Ummm, did you guys forget this thread of what?  :'(

Anyway, my thoughts on The Killer In Me:

Finally! A Kennedy spotlight! Well, okay it's actually a Willow spotlight but finally - the plot between the two have progressed! It was a nice look back at the Willow/Tara relationship, and it was nice to see Tara (even though it's just what? Two scenes?). I also liked Willow's answer, when Kennedy asked her how long she had known she was gay, and she said, "Three years" - yup, in season 4 indeed!

And the "season 4 revisited" continues with Buffy and Spike's return to the Initiative stomping grounds! What-oh-what will Buffy's decision be concerning Spike's chip? I for say "take it out!" She needs all of Spike's visciousness more than ever - and he has a soul anyway.

GILES IS NOT DEAD! Sorry, had to say it :) Finally, the question that had been on everyone's mind (c'mon admit it) was finally resolved! Hmm, did Xander and Andrew touch him errrr intimately? :D

Amy's back - and she's a bitch! Finally, no more kind Amy - it was nice a few times but it was a nice character development to turn her into a vengeful witch.

All in all, a filler episode IMO but a good one.
Title: Re: Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
Post by: Mr. Hankey on Feb 06, 2003 at 08:41 PM
Ummm, did you guys forget this thread of what?  :'(

Actually, I pretty much forgot about the show. I've had Potential on my hard drive for two weeks now, but have had neither the time nor inclination to watch it. The fact that its "Description" when I downloaded it from Kazaa said "Boy, does this episode suck!" played a factor in that.

And seeing from the bottom of your description that the next episode is filler... umm...

Will catch up soon. I also have 3 Smallvilles backed up already...
Title: Re: Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
Post by: Reuven Malter on Feb 07, 2003 at 06:45 AM
not much of a fan of the series, but posting this for fans in case you haven't read this yet.

(http://a552.g.akamai.net/f/552/606/1d/image.pathfinder.com/ew/dynamic/imgs/030203/113420__buffy_l.jpg)

BLOOD LUST
Spike and Buffy Summers, ''Buffy the Vampire Slayer''

PLAYED BY James Marsters and Sarah Michelle Gellar

RELATIONSHIP STATUS Spike the vampire still loves Buffy the vampire slayer -- even though this season's Übervillain, the First Evil, was appearing to him in the form of Buffy, taunting and (literally) torturing him. Meanwhile, Buffy is clearly conflicted about her relationship with William the Bloody (Spike's nickname from days of yore).

WHY WE LOVE THEM Their hot sex last season had them falling through floors and breaking walls. And talk about soul mates... Spike went to great pains to get his soul back for the Buffster.

WHY WE DON'T Buffy needs to get over that whole ''I was using you'' thing and admit she has feelings for the vamp.
Title: Re: Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
Post by: gumby on Feb 07, 2003 at 08:00 AM
Actually, I pretty much forgot about the show. I've had Potential on my hard drive for two weeks now, but have had neither the time nor inclination to watch it. The fact that its "Description" when I downloaded it from Kazaa said "Boy, does this episode suck!" played a factor in that.

Watch it na Mr Hankey - I'm interested in knowing what you say about the two eps :)
Title: Re: Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
Post by: Mr. Hankey on Feb 15, 2003 at 10:59 AM
Watch it na Mr Hankey - I'm interested in knowing what you say about the two eps :)

I loved the line where geeky new slayerette-to-be says, "Well, most people think (Buffy's) a high functioning schizophrenic".

I felt cheated, since they deliberately threw a red herring at us by intentionally not letting Giles touch anything. It's insulting and gimmick-y. And HOW he prevented decapitation... have you seen the next episode? Bloody unlikely.

But last Tuesday's episode was a fun episode. You can tell when one of the "old guards" pens an episode... the feel/mix of elements is right. The Xander the demon magnet, the Buffy "I love (chipless!) Spike but would never admit it" factor, the Andrew as the "Jack from Will & Grace" character, the funny subtitles with the Chinese slayerette - all classic! My only problem with the episode, though, was... given the principal's age and race, how could Buffy NOT know who his mother was and who killed her?
Title: Re: Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
Post by: gumby on Feb 16, 2003 at 01:22 PM
I felt cheated, since they deliberately threw a red herring at us by intentionally not letting Giles touch anything. It's insulting and gimmick-y. And HOW he prevented decapitation... have you seen the next episode? Bloody unlikely.

I tend to agree with you Mr Hankey - it seemed so...I dunno...impossible to avoid that damn axe? Still, I enjoyed the Giles mystery while it lasted - it was frustrating (in a good way) for a while.

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But last Tuesday's episode was a fun episode. You can tell when one of the "old guards" pens an episode... the feel/mix of elements is right. The Xander the demon magnet, the Buffy "I love (chipless!) Spike but would never admit it" factor, the Andrew as the "Jack from Will & Grace" character, the funny subtitles with the Chinese slayerette - all classic! My only problem with the episode, though, was... given the principal's age and race, how could Buffy NOT know who his mother was and who killed her?

Yep, that Jane Espenson never fails to deliver. I have seen First Date, haven't had the time yet to post my comments though as I am so deep into Alias right now. Maybe soon  ;D

Oh and maybe Buffy forgot about Principal Wood's mother because (a) Spike never told her that the 70s slayer was black (I don't think he did), and (b) Fool For Love was two years ago and maybe she had forgotten about it, with her ressurection and all.
Title: Re: Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
Post by: gumby on Feb 16, 2003 at 07:49 PM
My thoughts on First Date:

Okay - if anyone out there had requested a male slayer, they got their wish - kind of - in Principal Wood. His lineage was a great twist - the 70s slayer made quite an impression on me in her first and only appearance in season 5's Fool For Love, and I'm glad she's not forgotten.

Poor Xander - he's never going to be lucky with women will he? Ashanti's no errr Queen Latifah but I wish they brought back the girl from Beneath You - wonder whatever happened to her? But seriously, I wish he and Anya would get back together again. They seemed so right together.

The Chinese slayer's a hoot - lactose intolerance indeed - but I wish they took in a Filipina slayer  ;D. Imagine her line: may bagoong at balut kaya sila? Nagugutom na ako eh.

And Andrew continues to please! His scene with the First was both terrifying and hilarious! I hope they bring back Jonathan again and again, even if he's in the guise of the First.

Finally, Spike - now that his chip's been removed, I wonder if he can indeed curb his instincts? I know he did with his soul and his love for Buffy, but I'm still not sure.

All in all, a great episode penned by the ever-dependable Jane Espenson. However, take away the Principal Wood revelation and it felt like it's another filler episode. Nothing else was revealed about the First  ???
Title: Re: Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
Post by: Holly Golightly on Feb 24, 2003 at 06:41 PM
Funniest thing I've seen in a while. After the Spander ad, at least.

(http://www.televisionwithoutpity.com/media/ads/728x90_tara_is_dead.gif)

Monkey!
Title: Re: Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
Post by: Holly Golightly on Feb 26, 2003 at 04:23 PM
http://tv.zap2it.com/news/tvnewsdaily.html?30318

Gellar Will Exit 'Buffy' in May
Tue, Feb 25, 2003 05:39 PM PDT

LOS ANGELES (Zap2it.com) - Concluding months of Internet speculation, "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" star Sarah Michelle Gellar will indeed be hanging up her wooden stakes come May at the conclusion of the show's seventh season.

While Gellar has given Entertainment Weekly an exclusive regarding her departure for the issue hitting stands on Friday, March 7, sources close to the UPN series confirm to Zap2it.com that the actress will not be part of the cast should "Buffy" return in the fall.

Much about the fate of the show remains up in the air with core cast members Alyson Hannigan and Nicholas Brendon both having said they feel that it's the final year, but no official word coming down from the show's creator Joss Whedon, UPN or production company Twentieth Centuty Fox.

Rumors of a possible spin-off still run rampant, although the most likely candidate -- based on the character of Buffy's fellow slayer Faith -- now seems iffy at best since actress Eliza Dushku (who plays the recurring role on both "Buffy" and "Angel") has signed on instead
for a drama pilot with FOX.

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From Aintitcoolnews. Note the last line.

http://aintitcool.com/display.cgi?id=14563

Another Key Clue About That BUFFY Spinoff!!

I am Hercules!!

More evidence emerges this morning that Eliza Dushku will not play Faith the vampire slayer (at least on a regular basis) in any "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" spinoff.

Variety reports that Dushku will play the lead in an another potential series, an untitled Fox network pilot from Jon Feldman ("American Dreams") and Rob Cohen ("The Fast and the Furious") about a grad student who discovers she can save lives by altering the course of events.

Though the pilot may not necessarily go to series, Dushku's commitment to it likely does prohibit the "Buffy" braintrust from building a series around Buffy's darker counterpart.

Dushku has signed to guest star this year in three upcoming episodes of "Buffy" spinoff "Angel" and the final five episodes of "Buffy" itself. "Buffy" now looks to end its seven-season run on May 20.

A few reports, including one from Britain's BBC News picked up an erroneous item in the London Express indicating that a Faith series was already a done deal.

So what will producers pitch as a new Buffiverse series? Something, likely, with potential.

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Additional news, although I can't remember where I got it: Marti Noxon is also working on another drama pilot. And the Eliza Dushku show sounds like an Alias ripoff. Sorry.
Title: Re:The Bronze, The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Thread
Post by: xage on Feb 27, 2003 at 07:04 AM
    HOLLYWOOD, Feb. 26 —  Put a stake in her: Sarah Michelle Gellar’s done with “Buffy the Vampire Slayer.” The actress has confirmed to producer Joss Whedon something most industry insiders have assumed for months — namely, that this season will be her last with the UPN series, according to people connected to the show.
Title: Re: Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
Post by: utoy on Feb 27, 2003 at 10:11 AM
I'll miss you Sarah.  :'( And everybody else in the show, the actors, the producers, the writers (yes, including Marti Noxon) and Big Man Joss. I will buy all the DVDs and watch all your shows.  :'(
Title: Re: Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
Post by: Mr. Hankey on Apr 17, 2003 at 10:21 AM
Anyone still watching? I just finished "Dirty Girls"...

Great to see Faith back! Can anyone who watches Angel fill me in on what's been going on over there until now? Just the subplots involving Faith and Willow, I mean...

It was nice to see the flirtation between Spike and Faith. In a perfect world, Buffy would go back to Angel, and these two should get the chance to be together... now THAT would be one POWER couple!

As much as I hated what happened to Xander, that was a bit stupid... if you're gonna say, "You're the one who sees, let's see if we can do something about that," you DON'T just gouge ONE eye out. He'll still be able to see... DUH!

Oh, and was it just me, or did the strength and fighting technique he showed at the end of the episode make everyone think that Caleb was nothing but "Glory without the hair?" ;D

It looks like it's going to be one hell of a series finale. I'm glad the show got a chance to redeem itself after last season's severe misfire.
Title: Re: Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
Post by: The Stig on Apr 19, 2003 at 11:25 AM
Anyone still watching? I just finished "Dirty Girls"...

Great to see Faith back! Can anyone who watches Angel fill me in on what's been going on over there until now? Just the subplots involving Faith and Willow, I mean...


Hey Mr. Hankey, here's roughly what happened on "Angel" , Angelus came back, Willow was brought in by Fred because shes the only one they know who's ever brought back Angel's soul. And Faith was broken out of prison by Wesley because they needed a heavy hitter against Angelus. After they restored Angel's soul, Willow decided to bring Faith with her back to Sunnydale, hoping she could help out there.

Hope that helped. :)
Title: Re: Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
Post by: Mr. Hankey on Apr 19, 2003 at 05:14 PM
Thanks, hajime!

Are you also counting down the days until our common addiction is a thing of the past?  ;D
Title: Re: Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
Post by: The Stig on Apr 19, 2003 at 06:40 PM
Yeah. just a few more episodes to go and it will all be over :(. I'll practically have no use for kazaa. Have to find a new show to get hooked on. ;)
Title: Re: Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
Post by: Mr. Hankey on Apr 19, 2003 at 06:46 PM
Have to find a new show to get hooked on. ;)

Force yourself to return to Smallville. As TIME Magazine said, it's more "Buffyboy" than "Superboy".

And Kristin Kreuk on a weekly basis is ALWAYS a good thing.  ;)
Title: Re: Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
Post by: The Stig on Apr 19, 2003 at 06:51 PM
Force yourself to return to Smallville. As TIME Magazine said, it's more "Buffyboy" than "Superboy".

Hmm... Buffyboy. Sounds familiar ;D

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And Kristin Kreuk on a weekly basis is ALWAYS a good thing.  ;)

Very True. ;)
Title: Re: Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
Post by: gumby on Apr 19, 2003 at 11:25 PM
Anyone still watching? I just finished "Dirty Girls"...

I'm still watching but so busy to post my thoughts on the past few episodes :(

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Great to see Faith back! Can anyone who watches Angel fill me in on what's been going on over there until now? Just the subplots involving Faith and Willow, I mean...

It was like season 3 all over for me to see Faith back in Buffy. And the writer - Drew Goodard - threw in a lot of references of past episodes! A few that I caught:

a. Willow and Faith in the hospital, where Faith said she and hospitals don't click - a reference to her coma in season 3 & 4

b. Faith's "memory lane" comment about Buffy's house - she was in that house in Faith, Hope & Trick, Amends, and her assault on Joyce in This Year's Girl.

c. Her conversation with Spike and the body swap reference from season 4

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It was nice to see the flirtation between Spike and Faith. In a perfect world, Buffy would go back to Angel, and these two should get the chance to be together... now THAT would be one POWER couple!

Yeah I agree! Hmmm, might still happen - Spike and Faith running off into the sunset while Buffy and Angel pair up again.

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Oh, and was it just me, or did the strength and fighting technique he showed at the end of the episode make everyone think that Caleb was nothing but "Glory without the hair?" ;D

Or the First and Caleb's conversation reminiscent of Adam and Spike in season 4 maybe?

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It looks like it's going to be one hell of a series finale. I'm glad the show got a chance to redeem itself after last season's severe misfire.

I do hope you're right - season 7's kinda like season 5 for me in the sense that it has an underlying theme early on in the season with good stand-alone episodes and a heck of a finale! I fervently hope it won't be like season 4 - that one had an underlying theme right from the start, good stand-alone episodes, but a let-down (IMHO) of a finale. :(
Title: Re: Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
Post by: gumby on Apr 19, 2003 at 11:31 PM
Hey Mr. Hankey, here's roughly what happened on "Angel" , Angelus came back, Willow was brought in by Fred because shes the only one they know who's ever brought back Angel's soul. And Faith broke out of prison by Wesley because they needed a heavy hitter against Angelus. After they restored Angel's soul, Willow decided to bring Faith with her back to Sunnydale, hoping she could help out there.

Just to add:

My sister and I watched Salvage and she had a question: why didn't Wesley get Buffy instead of Faith? The answer was in the episode: Wesley needed someone who can bring Angel down without killing him, and Faith owed Angel so much that she refused to even consider dusting him as an option.
Title: Re: Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
Post by: The Stig on Apr 19, 2003 at 11:55 PM
Also, the fact that Wesley was Faith's original watcher may have been a factor in his selection.  :)
Title: Re: Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
Post by: Mr. Hankey on Apr 22, 2003 at 01:52 AM
It's over.  :'(

From SciFi.Com (http://www.scifi.com)

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Buffy: It's A Wrap

Cast and crew of UPN's Buffy the Vampire Slayer expressed pride in their show and sadness about its end as it wrapped its seventh and final season last week, and they celebrated with a party April 18 in Los Angeles. Alyson Hannigan (Willow) told SCI FI Wire that she was crying in her final scene and afterwards. "And they said, 'Well, that's a picture wrap,' and it was just like, 'Wow, there's more [tears] in there.' It just came spilling out. ... It was very, very bittersweet, an emotional day for everyone. Lots of tears, lots of hugs. ... It was great, though."

Production on the Buffy finale wrapped production last week, marking the end of the show's original episodes. A wrap party at the Miauhaus studio in Los Angeles drew current and past cast members and crew, including creator Joss Whedon, executive producer Marti Noxon and actors Hannigan, Nicholas Brendon (Xander), Anthony Head (Giles), James Marsters (Spike), Amber Benson (Tara), Juliet Landau (Drusilla), Seth Green (Oz), Tom Lenk (Andrew), Julie Benz (Darla) and Danny Strong (Johnathan).

Anthony Head, who arrived with his two teen daughters, described himself as "gutted" on his last day. "I felt really odd, like really sort of in a really strange emotional place," he said in an interview. "It was like saying goodbye to a very, very, very old friend. And at the same time, you knew that it wasn't goodbye. And you knew that there was more life in it, and I'm going to see these guys. It's what it is. It's come to the right time and place."

Noxon said, "I feel everything. I feel like I'm graduating from college or high school all over again. I feel like I just spent some of the greatest times of my life. You can only hope that you didn't peak in high school, you know?" She added that the upcoming May 20 series finale "is some of the strongest stuff we've ever done. I just think it's awesome. ... It kicks ass."

For his part, Whedon said he was exhausted, but happy with where the show ended, and added that he plans to spend more time with his wife and newborn son now that the show is over. "We were able to do the show we wanted to," he said in an interview. "We were never dictated to. ... We always did ... what we were told to by the story. Because, eventually, if you're making art, it starts telling you what to do." He added that he'll miss writing the show the most. "Being in that room, just beating our heads against the wall, trying to break a story," he said. "Cracking each other up for hours at a stretch. I mean, I love filming. But filming has so much going on. It's not like being in the room with the writers. It's just us and the characters. And writing those voices myself. Being alone with them. Those are the things I'll miss the most." The Buffy finale airs at 8 p.m. ET/PT on May 20.

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Is it just me, or is it glaringly obvious that someone was missing at the wrap party?

And I'm not referring to David Boreanaz.  :P

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Edited to add:

I seem to have found the answer to my own question, from her husband:

Freddie Prinze Jr. told the Zap2it Web site that he and his wife, Sarah Michelle Gellar, will head to Vancouver, B.C., to begin shooting the Scooby-Doo sequel as soon as Gellar wraps production on Buffy the Vampire Slayer later this month. UPN's Buffy is winding up a seven-year run.

"A lot of people owe Sarah a lot for doing that show," Prinze told the site. "And she doesn't always get the credit she deserves. She's a very strong woman, because she deals with a lot of nonsense, and instead of that nonsense, she should be thanked. And she's not. That's the reason she won't be coming back."

Prinze added, "Sarah's the most appreciative person in the world, and if that environment would have remained the way it [was] six years ago, she would go back, because she's loyal. But things change, and people's egos get in the way sometimes. They make poor decisions."

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The plot thickens... anyone know what this fight is about?
Title: Re: Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
Post by: pagan on May 12, 2003 at 06:43 PM
I suppose everyone's gonna be watching the series finale along with the rest of the States, huh?  Don't forget to bring a box of tissue =)

You know what I'm saddest about?  That I don't see a new Mutant Enemy series in the horizon.  What's that about?  I need my ME fix, darnit!

And what about Angel, huh?  It's not even sure to be back for season 5.  Let's all join the campaign to renew Angel, ok?  Go to http://www.renewangel.com (http://www.renewangel.com)

24-Philippines: http://geocities.com/twenty_four_ph/ (http://geocities.com/twenty_four_ph/)

The Talon: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the_talon/ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the_talon/)
Title: Re: Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
Post by: Mr. Hankey on May 13, 2003 at 02:14 AM
And what about Angel, huh?  It's not even sure to be back for season 5.  Let's all join the campaign to renew Angel, ok?  Go to http://www.renewangel.com (http://www.renewangel.com)

It's just been renewed! But Cordy's gone...  :'(

From SciFi.Com (http://www.scifi.com):

WB Renews Angel

The WB has renewewd its vampire series Angel for a full fifth season, with former Buffy the Vampire Slayer cast member James Marsters joining the show as Spike, Variety reported. But cast member Charisma Carpenter, who plays Cordelia, is not expected to return as a series regular, the trade paper reported.

The Joss Whedon series will air on Wednesdays at 9 p.m. ET/PT, with relocated hit Smallville as its lead-in, the trade paper reported. The WB also has an option for a sixth season.

Other Buffy regulars may also make guest appearances next season, while Whedon has vowed to write several scripts and direct episodes of the show, the trade paper reported. Jeffrey Bell and Tim Minear will be executive producers/showrunners.
Title: Re: Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
Post by: AshKetchum on May 13, 2003 at 06:08 PM
It's just been renewed! But Cordy's gone...  :'(

From SciFi.Com (http://www.scifi.com):

WB Renews Angel

The WB has renewewd its vampire series Angel for a full fifth season, with former Buffy the Vampire Slayer cast member James Marsters joining the show as Spike, Variety reported. But cast member Charisma Carpenter, who plays Cordelia, is not expected to return as a series regular, the trade paper reported.

Damn. I know Charisma wants to spend time with her baby and all, but I'll miss Cordy...it won't be the same without her.

I'd also read somewhere that she'll not be written out of the show--she'll pop up from time to time, like Giles does. Wish they'd get rid of Connor permanently instead. And Spike, now with the Fang Gang? Guess he won't end up with Buffy after all then. I still want to see Giles meet Fred, and Anya meet Gunn...

Title: Re: Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
Post by: Mr. Hankey on May 13, 2003 at 08:30 PM
I'll miss Cordy...it won't be the same without her.

I do find it strange - when he signed on for Buffy, James Marsters was told that he was being brought in as a replacement for Cordelia, the one who can be blunt and tell the gang what he/she really thinks, without worrying about being politically correct. But they eventually turned that "gang function" over to Anya.

Now, three years later... he's replacing Cordy again on Angel. Weird!
Title: Re: Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
Post by: The Stig on May 13, 2003 at 11:26 PM
Well since they plan on adding Marsters to the cast, I think it's wise to get rid of some of the present line-up. And the way they handled the Cordelia character, a lot of fans feel that the Cordelia/Connor arc dragged down the show. So i think its wise for them to trim the fat, maybe bring Cordelia in the way the Giles character on Buffy has been the past 2 seasons. Another thing though, the cast will be less another female lead, i'm hoping they make the Gwen Raiden character a regular or have regular visits from female characters from Sunnydale.

Two episodes to go for me. i certainly will miss this show once it's over. But i'm pretty sure it will end with a BANG. :)
Title: Re: Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
Post by: Mr. Hankey on May 14, 2003 at 12:01 AM
Two episodes to go for me. i certainly will miss this show once it's over. But i'm pretty sure it will end with a BANG. :)

One to go for me! Just finished TOMORROW'S show.

It's the small file on Kazaa - 44716Kb. Galing talaga, 'no? Una pa sa UPN!

A bit anti-climactic... the calm before the storm.

But the Spuffy fans will have something to talk about.  :)
Title: Re: Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
Post by: The Stig on May 14, 2003 at 01:54 AM
Hey Mr. Hankey, thanks for clearing that up.  ;D I'm downloading the episode right now. I wasnt sure which one was the real file and thought this one was suspiciously small. If my download speed stays the way it is, I might even be able to watch it this morning. :)
Title: Re: Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
Post by: gumby on May 14, 2003 at 10:17 AM
A bit anti-climactic... the calm before the storm.

I just downloaded the ep too but a bigger file  ;)

Now that season 7 is just one ep away, it only ranks as my third favorite season (first is s3, second is s5 - but that could change if the finale is excellent). IMO the First storyline dragged on and there were a lot of filler eps - First Date and Touched comes to mind - that could've been combined into one excellent ep. If not for the return appearances of two characters, and some excellent stand-alone eps - Him, Selfless, and Storyteller just to mention a few - the season kinda felt lacking.

And I wish they went the route of Dawson's Creek and gave us a 2-hour series finale :(
Title: Re: Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
Post by: Mr. Hankey on May 18, 2003 at 02:04 AM
Did you guys see the trailer for the series finale?

May anak pala si Gandalf: "Willow the White"  ;D

I'm guessing since Black Willow is The Ultimate Evil Witch, then White Willow is The Ultimate Good Witch?

3 tulog na lang!

P.S. - I was watching my DVD of Season 5 yesterday, and did you guys know that Tom "Andrew" Lenk was on the show before Season 6? He was in vamp make up, but I recognized his voice immediately - he played one of Harmony's minions.
Title: Re: Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
Post by: Mr. Hankey on May 20, 2003 at 09:41 PM
Well, I just finished watching the 144th Episode of Buffy The Vampire Slayer, and there will never be another one. Seven years have come to an end. Wow!

The last episode had many memorable exchanges. You can feel that it's a Joss Whedon, something we haven't felt in any of the episodes since "Once More, With Feeling".

The early scenes with Buffy and Angel were fun. But a bit out of character already. Angel felt like early Season 2 Angel, and he's a completely different character today than he was 5 years ago. But still, his jealousy over not being the only vampire with a soul anymore was hysterical!

They paid homage to the last scene of the original 2-hour pilot about midway through the finale, and I'm sure all loyal viewers will get a deja vu when they see the scene.

Now, I have to say this: although I like the CONCEPT of how the show ended, the execution, particularly of the last act of the episode, is not very satisfying. It seemed rushed. And I'm sorry to be morbid, but I could have done with a few more deaths. SIGNIFICANT deaths, that is.

But the ending really left me wondering: Is Spike really joining the cast of ANGEL next season, or was that announcement an elaborate scheme so as not to give away the ending of this series? I mean, he completely burned to ash!

Then again, if Darla can return after being dusted... who knows?


So I think the big question is: which was the better Series Finale, the WB Season 5 Finale or the UPN Season 7 Finale? IMHO, the WB Finale was a lot more satisfying, emotionally. It really closed out the "Buffy" part of the name of the show (but it was forced open again). This finale closes out the second part of the show's title... and I actually care a lot more about the "Buffy" part than "The Vampire Slayer" part.

Anyway, on the whole, it was a good run for the show. It's been better, but I've never felt it to have gotten as bad as some people think.

Thanks Joss, David G., David F., Jane, Doug, Sarah, Alyson, Nicky, Tony... and even YOU, Marti.  ;D
Title: Re: Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
Post by: AshKetchum on May 21, 2003 at 10:38 AM
They paid homage to the last scene of the original 2-hour pilot about midway through the finale, and I'm sure all loyal viewers will get a deja vu when they see the scene.


I just watched the entire first season several days ago; I can't wait to see this little tribute.  :)


Now, I have to say this: although I like the CONCEPT of how the show ended, the execution, particularly of the last act of the episode, is not very satisfying. It seemed rushed.

That's probably because they had to squeeze in a lot of stuff in a hour's time. Why, oh why didn't they make this a 2-hour finale?
Title: Re: Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
Post by: gumby on May 21, 2003 at 11:33 AM
Why, oh why didn't they make this a 2-hour finale?

This is my biggest gripe about the finale (which I just saw about an hour or so ago) - I know they're different genres but I found the Dawson's Creek finale (which ran 2 hours) much more satisfying.

It was a grand finale though, with great twists and excellent tributes (I got the pilot tribute, Mr Hankey), but I wish some characters got a little more screen time (like Anya, who should've gotten a goodbye scene at least  >:().

Oh well, goodbye Buffy - it was a grand ride at the very least  ;)
Title: Re: Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
Post by: The Stig on May 21, 2003 at 07:12 PM
Just finished watching the final episode. I agree with gumby, Anya deserved a better exit. I can't believe this is the last one ever :'(. Thanks for all seven seasons Mutant Enemy! :)
Title: Re: Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
Post by: Mr. Hankey on May 22, 2003 at 10:57 AM
Now that all the Slayers have been activated, and all the Watchers have been blown up, will Giles have to train all of them? I'd say to rehire Wesley, but we all know what kind of Watcher he was.  ;D
Title: Re: Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
Post by: AshKetchum on May 22, 2003 at 11:09 AM
I'd say to rehire Wesley, but we all know what kind of Watcher he was.  ;D

I didn't like the dark turn his character underwent in Angel--I prefer the bumbling, pompous but funny Wesley in the first 2 seasons. Come to think of it, I hated season 4 of Angel--because of Connor, it's a good thing they finally got rid of that annoying, trying hard brat. Hopefully things will be better in season 5, with the appearances of certain (ex) Sunnydale residents.
Title: Re: Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
Post by: Mr. Hankey on May 24, 2003 at 03:11 PM
Have you guys seen the June FHM (US Edition)?

(http://www.fhmus.com/images/girls/alysonhannigan2/1big.jpg)

Willow is that YOU???  ::)

You can also see much more of Alyson and a shot of Darla on the FHM web site (http://www.fhmus.com).

Hot Cordelia layout in the actual magazine, too.  8)
Title: Re: Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
Post by: viper on Jun 16, 2003 at 11:58 AM
d**n. I know Charisma wants to spend time with her baby and all, but I'll miss Cordy...it won't be the same without her.

I'd also read somewhere that she'll not be written out of the show--she'll pop up from time to time, like Giles does.

After watching Buffy episodes one after the other (season 1 & 2), i came to like the cordelia character. It is good to hear that she wasn't written out of angel. And it is also nice to hear that she's a doting/devoted mom!  :D

Ok, i won't come back to this thread again to avoid
spoilers. I only watch Buffy on discs!  ;D

Hmmm, nice Willow pic!  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
Post by: Reuven Malter on Jun 17, 2003 at 06:12 AM
I have a question for Buffy fans.

I saw an ad on Star Movies that they are showing Buffy the musical this Thu. Is that the "Once More, With Feeling" episode? If I wish to see it again, is there a rerun within the week.

Thanks!
Title: Re: Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
Post by: Mr. Hankey on Jun 17, 2003 at 11:13 AM
I saw an ad on Star Movies that they are showing Buffy the musical this Thu. Is that the "Once More, With Feeling" episode?

Yes.

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If I wish to see it again, is there a rerun within the week.

Reruns on Thursday 11:30 PM, Friday 2:30AM & 11:00AM, Sunday 4:00PM
Title: Re: Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
Post by: Reuven Malter on Jun 17, 2003 at 04:28 PM
Thanks, Mr. Hankey! I'll make sure I'll see it more than once.
Title: Re: Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
Post by: Mr. Hankey on Jun 19, 2003 at 08:15 PM
Thanks, Mr. Hankey! I'll make sure I'll see it more than once.

Crap... Star World deleted Tara's solo song, "Under Your Spell". As in completely. Not just the lesbian oral sex part. Stupid censors!

Oh well... thank God I have the DVD already.  ;D
Title: Re: Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
Post by: CrUzSACK on Jun 19, 2003 at 08:52 PM
Who played the part of the evil dancing/singing demon?  (Sorry, don't wanna browse the threads for the answer. :-\ Haba na kasi. )
Title: Re: Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
Post by: Mr. Hankey on Jun 19, 2003 at 11:42 PM
Who played the part of the evil dancing/singing demon?

"Sweet," the evil dancing/singing demon, was played by Hinton Battle, who has won three Tony Awards for Best Featured Performer in a Musical, the most recent one for his portrayal of "John" in MISS SAIGON on Broadway.

You can hear him perform that role in "The Complete Recording of Boublil & Schonberg's Miss Saigon" on CD, which features Filipina Joanna Ampil as Kim.
Title: Re: Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
Post by: Reuven Malter on Jun 20, 2003 at 09:47 AM
Finally saw it! Twice so far. Such an inspired episode. The Emmys are really missing a lot.
Title: Re: Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
Post by: viper on Jun 20, 2003 at 01:39 PM
Yes.Reruns on Thursday 11:30 PM, Friday 2:30AM & 11:00AM, Sunday 4:00PM

Drats! I missed the reruns and I'm out sunday PM!  >:(

BTW, which season does this episode belong to? I got the first 3 and the 4th is on the way. In fact, I am already crawling through the Season 3 discs but I keep on getting interrupted (istorbo talaga yung trabaho! ;D )
Title: Re: Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
Post by: AshKetchum on Jun 20, 2003 at 04:39 PM
BTW, which season does this episode belong to? I got the first 3 and the 4th is on the way. In fact, I am already crawling through the Season 3 discs but I keep on getting interrupted (istorbo talaga yung trabaho! ;D )


The musical episode was in Season 6, the season that many thought sucked (because of the lame Andrew/Warren/Jonathan trio).
Title: Re: Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
Post by: viper on Jun 20, 2003 at 05:21 PM
The musical episode was in Season 6, the season that many thought sucked (because of the lame Andrew/Warren/Jonathan trio).

Having not watched any episode of Buffy on local TV or star, I can just say huh!  ;)

I remember seeing a plug for this episode awhile ago when I'm not yet bitten by the Buffy vamp  ;D and commented, hmmm, just another wierd episode from a weird series. Vampires! Hah!

I just watch the episodes chronologically correct so that I can see the development of characters properly.

Disc 2 Season 3 is almost done! Can't wait to go home (there goes my homework!)



Title: Re: Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
Post by: sardaukar on Jun 22, 2003 at 08:06 PM
Crap... Star World deleted Tara's solo song, "Under Your Spell". As in completely. Not just the lesbian oral sex part. Stupid censors!

Did you also see it when they aired it on Studio 23? Did they cut anything from that telecast? But then they won't really "show" anything right? So what did they take out, was like Willow's head under her skirt or something?
Title: Re: Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
Post by: AshKetchum on Jun 23, 2003 at 10:44 AM
Did you also see it when they aired it on Studio 23? Did they cut anything from that telecast? But then they won't really "show" anything right? So what did they take out, was like Willow's head under her skirt or something?


I watched the Studio 23 telecast, and they did not cut anything from it, since I saw Tara's solo "Under Your Spell" song. There was nothing risque about it, just she and Willow lightly kissing in a park (pecking is more like it), that's about it--nothing they haven't done in previous episodes, which is why I'm baffled by STAR TV's bizarre censorship requirements.  ???
Title: Re: Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
Post by: Mr. Hankey on Jun 23, 2003 at 12:59 PM
So what did they take out, was like Willow's head under her skirt or something?

Just like Ash said, but the end of the song had Tara lying on the bed, Willow shot at an angle where she looked like she was about to go... "there"... then Tara, seen from the waist up, begins to slowly levitate while apparently achieving "it", repeatedly singing, "you make me com-plete..."  ;D
Title: Re: Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
Post by: sardaukar on Jun 23, 2003 at 09:55 PM
Ok, thanks AshKetchum, thanks Mr. Hankey!

That seems to be pretty benign then. Meaning the only ones who'll get it are people who already know what it is (kids won't, for example). Oh well.


You're the cutest of the scoobies
With your lips as red as rubies
And your firm yet supple-- tight embrace

;D
Title: Re: Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
Post by: Mr. Hankey on Jun 26, 2003 at 05:49 PM
If you're not doing anything tonight, watch the episode of Buffy on StarWorld.

Despite what the trailers show, it is so NOT a dreary episode. Quite the contrary, actually.

Those are great, misleading teasers!  :)
Title: Re: Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
Post by: Reuven Malter on Jul 06, 2006 at 03:56 PM
Someone has posted the unaired pilot (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GrQX0jmjcYQ) on YouTube.
Title: Re: Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
Post by: Mr. Hankey on Jul 06, 2006 at 04:04 PM
I'm guessing that's the half-hour "presentation reel" with a fat Willow?

It's basically the same as the actual pilot, but with cast substitutions and without the main plot, just a minor subplot from it.
Title: Re: Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
Post by: Reuven Malter on Mar 05, 2007 at 12:02 AM
The first comic book will be out on Mar 14. There's a sample PDF online (http://scarab.darkhorse.com/downloads/PDFSamples/BuffySeason8_1Sample.pdf).
Title: Re: Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
Post by: AshKetchum on Mar 05, 2007 at 06:19 AM
^^is this comic book series the actual "Season 8" written by Joss Whedon?
Title: Re: Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
Post by: Mr. Hankey on Mar 05, 2007 at 10:21 AM
^^is this comic book series the actual "Season 8" written by Joss Whedon?

Yup!  :)
Title: Re: Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
Post by: angelos on May 07, 2007 at 05:23 PM
My Favorite. The Best.
Title: Re: Buffy The Vampire Slayer
Post by: Mr. Hankey on May 27, 2009 at 03:42 PM
Oh God. This sounds like a very bad joke, but it's not:

Buffy Heading Back To The Big Screen

26 May 2009 5:10 AM, PDT

Buffy The Vampire Slayer is heading back to the big screen with a new movie based on the hit franchise.

The character, most famously played by Sarah Michelle Gellar in the hit TV series, was originally introduced in the 1992 movie of the same name, starring Kristy Swanson.

The following TV show ran for seven years before coming to an end in 2003.

And now the blood-sucking series could be heading back to the big screen with a brand new vampire slayer.

Director Fran Rubel Kuzui, who directed the original film and executive produced the TV programme, owns the rights to the Buffy brand and is planning to reboot the franchise for cinemas, replacing Gellar and the rest of the cast with new actors to fight demons in a different generation.

Kuzui tells the Hollywood Reporter, "Everything has its moment. Every movie takes on a life at some point, and this seems like the moment to do this."

http://www.imdb.com/news/ni0799368/

Rebooting a franchise that barely just ended? Replacing a cast that's still very fresh in the minds of most fans?

Enough with the reboots already!
Title: Re: Buffy The Vampire Slayer
Post by: AshKetchum on May 27, 2009 at 05:22 PM
...shouldn't this be in the main movies thread?  ;D

Yeah, read this earlier and almost threw up. According to the Hollywood Reporter article (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/news/e3i666afabc28491e6a5d5861d83ae30855), Joss Whedon is not involved in this reboot (yet), and the supporting characters will be replaced by new characters.

Buffy without the Scooby Gang? Sacrilege. And just our luck, they'll probably pick one of those bimbos from those stupid shows like The Hills to play the new Buffy, and turn it into a craptastic Twilight clone.

The article also got it wrong when they compared it to J.J. Abrams reboot of Star Trek--at least the new Star Trek had all the original characters, and decades passed before it was relaunched.
Title: Re: Buffy The Vampire Slayer
Post by: RNIverson on Nov 14, 2009 at 08:36 AM
Finally able to finish my Buffy and Angel boxsets a few months back. I still like Buffy better, even after that Buffy vs the Dorks season. Favorite episode -- Once More, With Feeling. Regarding the endings, I personally like Angel's better. If you think about it, Wolfram and Hart's locket actually saved Buffy and the gang. I don't think all those newbie slayers can defeat the army of über vamps.

Missing Winifred Burkle already, Thank God for Dollhouse  ;)
Title: Re: Buffy The Vampire Slayer
Post by: Dan on Nov 14, 2009 at 07:47 PM
Finally able to finish my Buffy and Angel boxsets a few months back. I still like Buffy better, even after that Buffy vs the Dorks season. Favorite episode -- Once More, With Feeling. Regarding the endings, I personally like Angel's better. If you think about it, Wolfram and Hart's locket actually saved Buffy and the gang. I don't think all those newbie slayers can defeat the army of über vamps.

Missing Winifred Burkle already, Thank God for Dollhouse  ;)

If you can, try getting copies of Buffy Season 8 at your local comic book store. It's the official continuation of BtVS helmed by Whedon himself.
Title: Re: Buffy The Vampire Slayer
Post by: RNIverson on Nov 15, 2009 at 09:59 PM
Yep, can't believe when I saw that Season 8 while searching Amazon. But I think it's currently released by volumes, so I'll just wait for a complete set.

OT: How about Firefly Season 2? No news from Whedon?
Title: Re: Buffy The Vampire Slayer
Post by: Dan on Nov 15, 2009 at 11:38 PM
Yep, can't believe when I saw that Season 8 while searching Amazon. But I think it's currently released by volumes, so I'll just wait for a complete set.

Yes and no. The individual monthly issues are still being produced. It's up to Season 8, issue #30 now. Older copies are really hard to find, especially issues #1 to #4 as well as anything else after that since it sells out within hours.

I don't know how regular the compilations are but those are your best bet of catching up.

OT: How about Firefly Season 2? No news from Whedon?

The signal has stopped. And if you watched Castle, Nathan Fillion's show, recently, you'll be told to just "move on"  ;D
Title: Re: Buffy The Vampire Slayer
Post by: RNIverson on Nov 16, 2009 at 10:33 AM
The signal has stopped. And if you watched Castle, Nathan Fillion's show, recently, you'll be told to just "move on"  ;D

 :(

Hope one day there'll be a graphic novel or something...
Title: Re: Buffy The Vampire Slayer
Post by: Dan on Nov 16, 2009 at 03:00 PM
^ Not exactly a graphic novel, but a 3-part comic book miniseries was made a while back that detailed the events after the end of the final episode of the series and before the story of Serenity:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Those_Left_Behind
Title: Re: Buffy The Vampire Slayer
Post by: RNIverson on Nov 17, 2009 at 09:42 AM
Thanks! At least it's still available in Amazon (http://www.amazon.com/Serenity-Those-Left-Behind-HC/dp/1593078463/ref=wl_it_dp_o?ie=UTF8&coliid=I2NP7OH0Q5G7PI&colid=268RJZPIC273T). Reading negative reviews though. So I guess Volume 2: Better Days (http://www.amazon.com/Serenity-2-Better-Joss-Whedon/dp/1417831030/ref=wl_it_dp_o?ie=UTF8&coliid=IFR2P9S2Y0VEF&colid=268RJZPIC273T) is a continuation?

Para nde OT, Amazon still has some of the Buffy Season 8 early volumes (http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_0_29?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&field-keywords=buffy+the+vampire+slayer+season+8&sprefix=buffy+the+vampire+slayer+seas). Do we usually get a complete set for comic books?
Title: Re: Buffy The Vampire Slayer
Post by: Dan on Nov 17, 2009 at 02:20 PM
^ I've never read the Firefly comics and I haven't gotten any of the Buffy season 8 compilations because I already have the complete single issues. Your best bet in catching up is getting those early volumes.
Title: Re: Buffy The Vampire Slayer
Post by: RNIverson on Nov 17, 2009 at 09:38 PM
Thanks! BTW, can someone spoil me what happened with Angel and the gang? Was it mentioned in Buffy's 8?
Title: Re: Buffy The Vampire Slayer
Post by: Mr. Hankey on Nov 17, 2009 at 10:59 PM
Angel Season Six is a separate comic book series, the 17-part Angel: After the Fall.
Title: Re: Buffy The Vampire Slayer
Post by: RNIverson on Nov 18, 2009 at 10:33 AM
I guess they survived then...  ;D
Title: Re: Buffy The Vampire Slayer
Post by: Noel_Vera on Nov 19, 2009 at 01:45 PM
Angle spoilers:

Gunn is a vampire; Wes is one of the undead, under contract with Wolfram and Hart; Spike has his own entourage; that's all I remember.

Oh, and Angel got to befriend the dragon--they're partners now
Title: Re: Buffy The Vampire Slayer
Post by: RNIverson on Nov 20, 2009 at 09:42 AM
Angle spoilers:

Oh, and Angel got to befriend the dragon--they're partners now

This sounds lame. Did reading the comic ruin the series?
Title: Re: Buffy The Vampire Slayer
Post by: Noel_Vera on Nov 20, 2009 at 03:01 PM
No, I think it successfully extends Whedon's ideas.
Title: Re: Buffy The Vampire Slayer
Post by: RNIverson on Nov 21, 2009 at 06:36 PM
'Buffy' motion comic rumours confirmed (http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/comics/news/a187228/buffy-motion-comic-rumours-confirmed.html)

Buffy the Vampire Slayer Season Eight is being adapted into a motion comic.

Casting for voice actors for the forthcoming series of webisodes began this week, reports Sci Fi Wire.

The motion comic will be based on Joss Whedon's Eisner Award-winning series from Dark Horse.

Casting director Jeff Shuter is seeking actors to play all the familiar Buffy characters as well as newly-introduced antagonists including the mysterious Twilight and British socialite-cum-slayer Lady Genevieve Savidge.

Buffy the Vampire Slayer Season Eight picks up where the television series left off, with Buffy commanding an army of vampire slayers from their base in a castle in the Scottish highlands.
Title: Re: Buffy The Vampire Slayer
Post by: Dan on Nov 22, 2009 at 01:39 AM
^ Thank god they're not using just one voice actor like what was done with the Watchmen motion comic.
Title: Re: Buffy The Vampire Slayer
Post by: eckxs on Jan 09, 2010 at 06:10 PM
Watched the Season 5 episode "The Body" again yesterday and it still bursts me into tears...

(Sadly, I watched it from my pirated Buffy collection!   :-[)
Title: Re: Buffy The Vampire Slayer
Post by: AshKetchum on Mar 30, 2017 at 09:00 AM
Entertainment Weekly reunites the cast of Buffy (minus Giles) with Joss Whedon for their 20th Anniversary

(http://funkyimg.com/i/2r2L3.jpg)

left to right: Amber Benson (Tara), Alyson Hannigan (Willow), Nicholas Brendon (Xander), Emma Caulfield (Anya),  Alexis Denisof (Wesley), Charisma Carpenter (Cordelia), Sean Green (Oz), David Boreanaz (Angel), Sarah Michelle Gellar (Buffy), James Marsters (Spike), Michelle Trachtenberg (Dawn), Kristine Sutherland (Joyce) 


...okay, now I feel old  O0