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DVD Forum => General DVD Discussion => FAQs => Topic started by: Jayem Ares on May 30, 2003 at 09:33 AM
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I wonder why DTS capability big deal when purchasing a dvd.
I have T2 UE but cannot tell the difference between DTS and DD.
What other dvd/s that evidently show/s the difference?
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Beegees One Night Only
Fast and the Furious
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Eagles - Hell Freezes Over and Saving Private Ryan... :)
Also, if you haven't already done so, read through this thread (http://www.pinoydvd.com/board/index.php?board=3;action=display;threadid=392).
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err.. T2 UE doesn't have a dts track.. =)
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err.. T2 UE doesn't have a dts track.. =)
hmmm.... I believe T2 UE has DTS track. :)
Cheers!!!
Compaq
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hmmm.... I believe T2 UE has DTS track. :)
Cheers!!!
Compaq
yes, it's the Extreme Edition that doesn't have one. :)
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Oh well then.. Yeah i was referring to Extreme Edition, then. Yung bagong version that has a 2nd dvd that has 1080i resolution.
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Parang meron ng ganitong topic dito dati... and yes, DTS is almost always better than DD and you really don't need to have a very revealing system to notice it. Ang unang reaction usually eh mas malakas daw ang DTS compared to DD. Also, be careful of using fake DTS dvds as your reference as it will not show you how good dts coding is. Reference DTS dvd? Try U-571 and hear for yourself the glory of DTS! Night and day...
In fairness, I admire StarWars epII's surround coding which is the best DD track I've heard so far! The audience is listening...
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If you have watched Saving Private Ryan in DTS, you'll know why it's a big deal in purchasing a DVD.
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Oh well then.. Yeah i was referring to Extreme Edition, then. Yung bagong version that has a 2nd dvd that has 1080i resolution.
That's some DVD how'd they manage to jack up the resolution to 1080i?
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noticed ko mas higher ang audio rate ng DTS compared to DD in terms of Kbps
dts has 760+
while dd has 400+
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noticed ko mas higher ang audio rate ng DTS compared to DD in terms of Kbps
dts has 760+
while dd has 400+
This is true..
DD has a higher compression rate compared to DTS. When using DTS, much larger data passes through the wires, compared to DD. That's why DTS is more natural sounding because of its low compression rate, it is easier to decode. Imagine decompressing a winzip file with max compression than a normal compression as DD is to Max compression and DTS is to normal compression. But the problem is, DTS takes too much data space, kaya mas marami pa din DD audio tracks na DVD.
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be careful of using fake DTS dvds as your reference as it will not show you how good dts coding is.
Fake DTS DVD's meron ba nito? ano titles?
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di ba yun Godfather na pirata? :D
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If you have watched Saving Private Ryan in DTS, you'll know why it's a big deal in purchasing a DVD.
I agree! My friend bought a receiver with DTS and this was the movie we used to test. May mga sounds talaga na di mo maririning sa DD na version ... I need to get myself a DTS receiver. Mga magkano kaya yan dito sa pinas?
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depende sa brand yan na bibilin mo. siguro minimum 16k . . .
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You can get a decent reciever with DD and DTS decoder at Ambassador Appliances in Makati or in Greenhills. They are selling DENON 1603 for only P14,800. Sobrang sulit na to...this is a great reciever! 8)
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Jett,
May I also suggest that if you're planning on buying a DTS capable reciver, go and buy a DTS-ES, DD-EX, DPL2 -ready unit na para one time investment na rin dba? 8)
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In fairness, I admire StarWars epII's surround coding which is the best DD track I've heard so far! The audience is listening...
For me, the best DD track I've ever heard is Black Hawk Down, which edged out Episode 1. ;)
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For me, the best DD track I've ever heard is Black Hawk Down, which edged out Episode 1. ;)
which version? the original release or the new special ed?
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For me, the best DD track I've ever heard is Black Hawk Down, which edged out Episode 1. ;)
You guys should try We Were Soldiers' DD-EX track. It will blow you away!!! 8)
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You guys should try We Were Soldiers' DD-EX track. It will blow you away!!! 8)
agree ako dyan!..ganda ng reproduction ng sounds..especially dun sa battle scenes.. :D
try din das boot(director's cut) superbit or the regular release lang..claustrophobic ung sounds..lalo na pag mdyo high ung volume.. ;D parang nsa sub ka tlaga..
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hello to all!
i am new to the board, and i would like to get to know everyone.
i personally favor DTS soundtracks on dvd movies, but it is nice to have a choice (DD or DTS) both are great to listen to.
in the theater cinema it is a different story,
O 2 10 over & out
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eh bakit ganun? since everybody agrees that DTS discs have a much superior audio quality than DD, why do manufacturers still come out with DD? in terms of price, i've noticed na di naman sila nagkakalayo.
anybody please?
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[1.32] What's the deal with DTS and DVD? (http://www.dvddemystified.com/dvdfaq.html#1.32)
in a nutshell, according to the official dvd specs, DTS is an optional format, while either Dolby Digital or PCM is required.
how this got to be was the result of the lobbying of the Dolby Digital minions with the authors of the DVD specs.
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"DTS is superior to DD"
Generally true. Llike all generalizations, not entirely true.
There are some DD tracks that are better than their DTS counterparts. Haven't documented them, but I've found several in my collection. Other collectors have similar findings. Hope they can help identify the DVDs.
On another note, the earlier DTS-only versions of some DVDs are reportedly superior to those with mixed (DTS and DD) soundtracks. Among the DTS-only ones were Dances with Wolves, Out of Sight, Saving Private Ryan. Those discs used the DTS capabilities better than those that had to devote more space to mixed tracks. Maybe someone can confirm this statement.
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eh bakit ganun? since everybody agrees that DTS discs have a much superior audio quality than DD, why do manufacturers still come out with DD? in terms of price, i've noticed na di naman sila nagkakalayo.
anybody please?
DTS soundtrack is less compressed compared to DD sountrack, hence, DTS DVD's have larger data which eats up space on the DVD. Maybe that's one of the reasons why not all DVD's have DTS tracks, or kung meron, kadalasan two disc set. One example is Columbia's Superbit Releases. They have to take away most of the special features to give way to DTS track. Superbit Deluxe DVD's are 2disc sets, such as Charlie's Angels and Snatch, keeping its special features intact. ;D
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Guys,
Do you know what are the differences of Dolby Surround vs. DTS Surround?
Which one is better? What should I look for a DVD player.
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Superbit DVDs remove the special features not because it is DTS. They remove the special features because they actually put more data into the "video". Meaning you should be watching a clearer video but the DTS audio stays the same.
I also thought it is because of the DTS track but when you read the insert of Superbit DVDs it explains there that it is actually the "video" that was unhanced and not the DTS track. :D
I hope this helps. :D
DTS soundtrack is less compressed compared to DD sountrack, hence, DTS DVD's have larger data which eats up space on the DVD. Maybe that's one of the reasons why not all DVD's have DTS tracks, or kung meron, kadalasan two disc set. One example is Columbia's Superbit Releases. They have to take away most of the special features to give way to DTS track. Superbit Deluxe DVD's are 2disc sets, such as Charlie's Angels and Snatch, keeping its special features intact. ;D
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Guys,
Do you know what are the differences of Dolby Surround vs. DTS Surround?
Which one is better? What should I look for a DVD player.
In theory, DTS uses lesser storage compression than DD and should result in more detailed sound. In practice, DTS tracks almost always come out louder, thereby revealing more details for the same volume level. There are some movies whose DTS tracks seems to give better definition. But a disc without DTS doesn't depart from the enjoyment you can have with DD. I would say 85% of commerical DVDs are on DD.
Depending on your priorites, there are many things to look for in choosing a DVD player. A simple set-up may require you to get a DVD player with all the features including a DTS encoding ability. Most mass market DVD players have that. At the other extreme, some would look for just plain DVD transport only player, relegating the decoding of DD and DTS or some other format from an external processor. But DD/DTS is just a one of those features.
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an initial reaction of a dts soundtrack would be much louder compared to a dolby soundtrack. the only difference is that dts employs highfer sampling rate and offers higher decibel rates. it depends on certain dvds with great dolby soundtracks or dts soundtracks.
reference dvds for this
black hawk down - dolby
u-571 - dts
gladiator - dts (6.1)
star wars episode 1 and 2 - dolby (ex)
underworld - dolby
saving private ryan - dts
etc. try them out to hear the difference ;)
the more important thing about them, dvds should have better mixes, good surrounds and right lfe's.
most of the receivers today have dts and dolby decoders, you don't have to buy dvd players with these decoders but if you have a big budget to spare, go ahead and get a reference type. thx, it's a different story! they have different standards, a notch higher in wattages and better frequency ranges. by the way thx and dolby are partners in producing dolby ex (extended) soundtracks of certains movies.
enjoy! ;D
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oops i forgot to include the two lord of the rings esp. the extended ones because they both have dolby ex mixes and dts 6.1 soundtracks
enjoy again! ;D
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in fairness sa DD, nai-post ko na ata ito somewhere dito pero kung gusto ninyong marinig ang glory ng DD, go watch Star Wars 1 and 2. Bumilib ako sa DD nung mapanood ko yan.
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just an update on Dolby Labs...
If you'll notice a newer logo on some latest receivers, take note on the Dolby Prologic logo. If it says Dolby Prologic IIx, your receiver can process the latest technology from Dolby Labs.
Now for the Prologic IIx (yep with a small x), this latest technology can process a stereo or 5.1 signal into 6.1 or 7.1 channel output. The only difference for the 6.1 and 7.1 channel is the rear center. A 7.1 setup has a split rear center at the back (2 speakers for the back).
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Kainis talaga yang mga upgrade ng mga technology na yan pati na yung sa DTS... it confuses my brain and my pocket ;D
I'm sticking to my 4.1 setup 8)
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the best dvd for dts for me are;
supper speedway
the haunting
dragon hart dts
shadaow man dts
yellow submarine >:D O0
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DTS Test DVDs:
Saving Private Ryan
Eagles Hell Freezes Over
Behind Enemy Lines
Minority Report
Jurassic Park
U-571
The Haunting
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Time to include Master and Commander in these lists.
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Very confusing indeed.
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question co-members...
paano pag DTS encoded and THX certified ang dvd.. i assume it would play the DTS on the DTS option and THX on the DD.. right?
titles like atlantis and emperor's new groove have both insignias..
???
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question co-members...
paano pag DTS encoded and THX certified ang dvd.. i assume it would play the DTS on the DTS option and THX on the DD.. right?
titles like atlantis and emperor's new groove have both insignias..
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if you have a thx certified receiver or processor then you can play it both ways- dd+thx or dts+thx. :)
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wow.. thanks toshiba for the answers....
upgrad upgrade upgrade.. kelangan ko na mag-upgrade!!! ;D
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all i know is that for DVDs having both DD and DTS, i always select the DTS... it seems to me that a DTS signal is louder-- and one more, since every DVD has a DD, i feel that a disk with a DTS is special so i always choose it over DD -- ::)
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You must have a good subwoofer to handle some DTS tracks. Sometimes they go so low that the sub bottoms out. Shift to DD and it lessens strain on your system for those LFEs.
With the details that DTS tracks produce, your system should be able to handle it.
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You must have a good subwoofer to handle some DTS tracks. Sometimes they go so low that the sub bottoms out. Shift to DD and it lessens strain on your system for those LFEs.
With the details that DTS tracks produce, your system should be able to handle it.
these is true to my experience also. but i only lessen the output volume of the subwoofer because i still prefer DTS over at DD for the clarity of it.
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another option is to invest on a good subwoofer that can handle very low frequencies :)
in this way you'll got to enjoy your DTS format.
:)
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I just bought a relatively economical HTS (TEAC); all that came with the package were the sub and 5 speakers, and the player. There is the option to select DTS, however, it falls under the "surround sound" category and is not configured the way DTS is described here: as DTS out via a receiver. Does this mean I do not have "true" DTS? ???
oh and any reviews from the resident experts for the TEAC PLD-2200? much obliged. :)
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hey guys, im kinda new here, im using a jbl dsc 500 system, it doesn't have it's own reciever because the package includes a dvd player and a 5.1 surround system, i was just wondering if i buy a dts encoded dvd will it automatically play in dts format or do i have to do something, i also noticed that some discs when i play it, the dts icon appears on the screen of the player...just want to ask but sometimes i have to go the menu to chose dts than dd..thanks guys
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Bit rate, clarity infavor of DTS.
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i have read somewhere that DTS is paying royalties to DD for the DTS-ES.. ::)
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Nakakabilib din yung Home Theater Mix ng ibang Disney DVD's (Lion King, Aladdin). DD format siya, but mas surroung ang feeling.
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I just bought a relatively economical HTS (TEAC); all that came with the package were the sub and 5 speakers, and the player. There is the option to select DTS, however, it falls under the "surround sound" category and is not configured the way DTS is described here: as DTS out via a receiver. Does this mean I do not have "true" DTS? ???
You still can play DTS-encoded DVDs if your player has built-in DTS decoder. If your player is integrated to a receiver, most probably it can play DTS. :)
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hey guys, im kinda new here, im using a jbl dsc 500 system, it doesn't have it's own reciever because the package includes a dvd player and a 5.1 surround system, i was just wondering if i buy a dts encoded dvd will it automatically play in dts format or do i have to do something, i also noticed that some discs when i play it, the dts icon appears on the screen of the player...just want to ask but sometimes i have to go the menu to chose dts than dd..thanks guys
I think your player is integrated to a receiver, so i think it's capable of playing DTS-encoded DVDs. :)
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Hello to all,
Kinda new here. I just wanted to know what is the difference between DTS and a 5.1?
Many thanks
skid :D
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Kung tama yung question mo...
DTS is a Digital Theater System sound format by DTS Inc which is a Digital Surround is the standard for providing 5.1 channels of discrete digital audio in consumer electronics products and software content.
5.1 is the number of speakers or speaker configuration in a theater system.
Anyway, I think you mean DTS and DD? Right?
See more here:
http://www.dtsonline.com/consumer/technology/
and the ongoing thread about DD and DTS:
http://www.pinoydvd.com/board/index.php?topic=13183.0
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Philander,
Thanks for the info! :)
Confuse lang ako, pag manood ka na ng movie, sa root menu andun yun option ng play movie, audio setup, screen selection, etc... Sa audio setup may choices na English DTS, English5.1 etc... Ano po bang difference nun? Tapos ito pa, meron ding choices mismo dun sa player. Kailangan bang sabay isetup ung sa mismong movie at sa player?
Thanks in advace!
skid
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Philander,
Thanks for the info! :)
Confuse lang ako, pag manood ka na ng movie, sa root menu andun yun option ng play movie, audio setup, screen selection, etc... Sa audio setup may choices na English DTS, English5.1 etc... Ano po bang difference nun? Tapos ito pa, meron ding choices mismo dun sa player. Kailangan bang sabay isetup ung sa mismong movie at sa player?
Thanks in advace!
skid
Ah okay, no problem.
Yung 5.1 dun sa Menu I think its Dolby Digital 5.1, di lang clear yung selection.
In layman’s term, DTS and DD are two audio format generally uses in theater (and home-theater) system, both DTS and DD contains 5.1 ch sound (though it can be 5.0) which produces 6ch sound to comply in the properly set-up 5.1 system where the center speaker is in the front of the listener and the surround are located in the rear. However, they have different implementation of the 5.1 sound since it’s their proprietary and have slightly different in terms of audio technical properties.
For technical info, please refer to the thread I posted above.
Regarding the settings on the DVD Player, it depends, if you have digital connection, basically you just need to output audio as RAW ot bitstream format then the receiver (decoder) will process the audio... For analog, you need to configure the player as 5.1 system and enable all the speakers to produce 5.1 sound which is connected to a 5ch amplifier and 5 pc speaker system and a subwoofer.
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I wonder why DTS capability big deal when purchasing a dvd.
I have T2 UE but cannot tell the difference between DTS and DD.
What other dvd/s that evidently show/s the difference?
The big difference, is that, if you have 5.1 speakers, the speaker will sound as if the things is really happening in the back.
Like when we watch some dts movies, you think that your door is really the one making sound, when infact its your speaker.
Each speaker produces various sound, in a clear manner. Go to DTS website and you will know.
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Actually the difference between DD vs. DTS has long been debated among home theater enthusiasts and depnding on who you believe the answers may vary. There are facts and there are opinions.
Facts:
1) DTS uses a less compressed codec than DD. Typical DTS dvds run at what is actually half bitrate DTS which is at 754 kbps. Full bitrate (1508 kbps ) DTS is rarely used nowadays but was a bit more common in the early days of dvd. (Off the top of my head a recent release with full bitrate would be The Passion of the Christ). DD 5.1 runs at 384 kbps or 448 kbps depending on the title.
2) Dolby digital is a standard in the dvd format. This means ALL dvds must have some form of Dolby on them, be it 5.1, 2.0 or even mono. This is why Dolby is a default for dvds and DTS seems more exclusive. Also As a result of this not all dvd players can decode DTS but they can all decode Dolby Digital.
3) Some dvds that feature both DTS and DD are not from the same masters. This is very important because some percieved differences between the two formats actually stem from unfair comparissons because they come from different masters.
Dolby Digital is often seen as being of lower quality but in actuallity a properly mixed DD track can equal or exceed DTS tracks in sound clarity and quality. It just so happens that DTS is marketed as a "premium" brand and as such (arguably) more care is taken in the mixing of these tracks (otherwise, why would a studio shell out for an additional optional track?) . A proper A-B test of the two codecs with a reference track (audio adjusted to levelize the inherently louder DTS) would most likely show no difference between the two.
That being said at least one major studio (Warner Bros.) believes so much that there is negligible difference in the two that they don't use DTS anymore. (They released the lethal weapon series in DTS but there was no appreciable difference between those tracks and their DD counterparts so they stopped producing them). The philosophy of Warner seems sound, DTS uses too much bandwidth that could otherwise be used for the video quality instead. Look at the Matrix series, unbelievable picture quality and unbelievable sound. Its all in the proper mixing ;D
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its the same mix but diff codec ryt? :) dts rocks for me :) maybe warner would release matrix series in HD dvd with loseless DTS ;D
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its the same mix but diff codec ryt?
If you are refering to the lethal weapon set, yes, the same mix was used for the two different formats.
dts rocks for me
I pick DTS as a default on discs that have them as well. (Except for those awful fake DTS tracks on pirated dvds....) ;D
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2) Dolby digital is a standard in the dvd format. This means ALL dvds must have some form of Dolby on them, be it 5.1, 2.0 or even mono.
Makikisabat lang nang konti.
Ang alam ko, hindi naman mandatory ang Dolby. Pero mandatory on all DVD Video is either Dolby or PCM.
For example: Eagles: Hell Freezes Over has DTS 5.1 and PCM, but does not have Dolby.
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Ang alam ko, hindi naman mandatory ang Dolby. Pero mandatory on all DVD Video is either Dolby or PCM.
Forgot about PCM! ;D
Let me revise: Dolby and PCM are mandatory on all DVD players. This means that all dvd players should be able to play these two formats (DTS support is optional.). On the discs themselves barrister is correct it must conain a track of either of the two formats. ;D
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Ano naman po ung PCM? Nagtatanong lang po..
skid
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skid
pls go to this website
http://www.dvddemystified.com/dvdfaq.html#3.6.2
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Ano naman po ung PCM?
PCM - "Pulse Coded Modulation", the audio format standard for CD’s.
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need help on this please...
what is AC-3 audio? what's the difference between AC-3 and DD 5.1?
I tried recently Saving Private Ryan and noticed that the audio encoding (when i manually changed the audio format from the remote) is AC-3 5.1, To tell you guys frankly, the pirated version sounded better. I have to crank up the volume to get results.
Im using a philips 727k player (with built in DTS & DD decoder) coupled with a pre-amped Xenon 5.1
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AC-3 is the more technical term for DD 5.1. They're one and the same.
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AC-3 is the more technical term for DD 5.1. They're one and the same.
oh, in that case, DTS for me is better than DD
thanks
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After having read thru six pages of on-going discussion (since 2004) as to what DD and DTS are, I have a question.
So, DTS says he's better - to prove its point, there are 9 DVD Releases to "audition" your set-up at home. Such DVDs are called DEMO DTS Discs.
So, the question is : Does Dolby Digital has demo discs similar to this?
But then, isakay ko na lang ang tanong ko dito na hindi talaga nasagot sa ibang forums. Tanong ay, ano ba ang mga magagandang Demo Discs ng DTS? Mahal kasi ang isa... kung pwede, can you spend time and PM me instead for your answers?
Thanks!
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question co-members...
paano pag DTS encoded and THX certified ang dvd.. i assume it would play the DTS on the DTS option and THX on the DD.. right?
titles like atlantis and emperor's new groove have both insignias..
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dts and dd are codecs...
thx is a standard which indicates that what you are about to see and hear are exactly what the director would like you to see and hear (provided you have adjusted your audio and video equipments to their standard). as for video, you can adjust brightness/contrast/color by using the thx optimizer on your thx certified dvd.
hope this clears things up a bit.
on the other hand, though dts has higher bitrate, it doesn't actually mean that it may sound better. the source audio needs to be considered also. on the other hand, dolby has indicated that their compression technique is just better, the reason why they have lower bitrates.
this is basically the same as mp3 vs wma. mp3 may use a higher bitrate but is not a guarantee that it would sound better. if compared, 128bits of wma will always sound better than 128bits of mp3.
but then again, pcm will always top my list, followed by dts and then dd. pcm, being uncompressed data (and as long as it is 5.1 minimum).
:)
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pcm, being uncompressed data (and as long as it is 5.1 minimum).
Hmmm...exactly which dvds have uncompressed 5.1 PCM? I have a modest collection and I have yet to see one that features this.
Many concert dvds have PCM in stereo (2.0) and recent Dual discs (CD+DVD on the opposite side, sold in the US) have "enhanced stereo" (2.0) on their DVD side which is a (pressumably) higher bit rate PCM track of the CD but I have not encountered 5.1 PCM.
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INFORMATION REGARDING NEW SURROUND FORMATS AND INCLUSION AS MANDATORY/OPTIONAL AUDIO IN UPCOMING HD DISCS
DOLBY DIGITAL PLUS
* Selected as the mandatory audio format for HD DVD and as an optional audio format for the Blu-ray Disc.
DOLBT TRUE-HD
* Selected as the mandatory format for HD DVD and as an optional format for Blu-ray Disc.
DTS/DTS HD
*DTS announced that its core 5.1-channel surround sound was selected as mandatory audio technology for both HD-DVD and Blu-ray Disc, and DTS-HD (DTS++ in some Blu-ray Disc and HD-DVD documents), was also chosen as an optional feature in both formats.
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DTS is best talaga in terms of audio quality. PERIOD
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question: pwede po ba iconvert into a multi region ang region 3 na dvd player? ???