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Title: SAKURA AMP
Post by: pnb-guy on Apr 17, 2002 at 08:35 PM
I'm just curious as to the origin and quality of these widely available amps.  My pioneer amp broke down months ago and I would like a stop gap before I really go for a full fledged AVR to start a home theater.  I'm planning on buying one of these cheap amps.

 How powerful would an amp ideally be to power 2 50watt RMS speakers?
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: cybermms on Apr 17, 2002 at 09:40 PM
Hi pnb-guy,

No offense meant but suggest you try a more decent amp. Yamaha's price has gone down, i.e. RXV 420 is available at less than P15k. Pioneer is even cheaper.

 ;)cybermms ;)
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: pnb-guy on Apr 17, 2002 at 10:16 PM
I would really like nothing better but as I said this is just stop gap measure (maybe 2-3 months) before I buy the Onkyo 494 I've been eyeing for a while now.
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: Titanium on Apr 18, 2002 at 08:30 AM
Cybermms, pasingit ha,

What model of pioneer amp ( maski amp lang, not a receiver) that has 6.1 channel na pinakamura and where to buy? Thanks.
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: Alfie on Apr 18, 2002 at 08:30 AM
PNB-Guy,
      Kindly heed Cybermms suggestion, your bound to be Php 2-2500.00 poorer if you'll use this as a stop-gap measure as you stated.
      The only redeeming factor I can see here is that once you get your decent amp, you can use this for the bass shakers, however, I still doubt their capabilities, since the  decent amps, I saw for the bass shakers were nowhere near this, furthermore a fellow member already reported that the 5.1 label is actually a misnomer, it's nowhere near that, he even doubt the prologic capability. Now ain't that a bummer.
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: Alfie on Apr 18, 2002 at 09:05 AM
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What model of pioneer amp ( maski amp lang, not a receiver) that has 6.1 channel na pinakamura and where to buy? Thanks.

Titanium- I bumped up the Pioneer Cheapest DTS-ES thread. Read on.
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: pnb-guy on Apr 18, 2002 at 12:21 PM
Thanks guys.  
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: nerveblocker on Apr 18, 2002 at 12:42 PM
I had a Sakura prologic receiver (AV-1600)  before.  And I sold it to my cousin and it is on its 3rd year now and it is still working.  Forget about the DSPs coz they don't work!  But you'll get 2-channel, 3-channel, dolby Prologic..no DD or DTS.  It has a 5.1 channel input and subwoofer out.  

Another alternative is Pier.  You can get Prologic receivers there at a price range of P3.5-6k depending on the brand and the outside appearance.  Brands I saw were Onkyo, Denon, Yamaha, Kenwood, Pioneer, Sony.  

Bottomline...the choice is yours!

NIRVBLAKR
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: cybermms on Apr 18, 2002 at 09:01 PM
Hi Titanium,

I am not aware of a cheap Pioneer with 6.1 channels. Also, they do not have home theater amps, only receivers. Their entry level sells for around P11.5, pro-logic but with 6 channel input. Next model with DD/DTS decoder is selling at P17k. Sorry forgot the model numbers but Pioneer is usually available at SM Applicance section or Abenson. You can also go to Raon.

I think the best entry level HTP receiver today is Yamaha's RXV 420 now selling at between P13k to P14k.

Good stop-gap is to check out customers units at AV stores around MM. Customers who recently upgraded usually asks the AV store to sell their old receivers or amps. I think this is a safer route than buying @ the pier.

Good 2nd hand receivers with DD decoder is selling at between P7-9k.

cybermms




Cybermms, pasingit ha,

What model of pioneer amp ( maski amp lang, not a receiver) that has 6.1 channel na pinakamura and where to buy? Thanks.
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: Titanium on Apr 19, 2002 at 09:06 AM
Cybermms,

Thanks for the tip. OK na muna used receivers with 6.1 channel input sa akin since my dvd player has decoders na. Ill look for second hand then, wala pang budget for brand new eh.
Title: Where to buy Prologic Sakura?
Post by: hilander on Jun 26, 2002 at 08:40 AM
Prologic Sakura Home theater system, where to buy and how much.

Thanks a lot you guys.
Title: Re:Where to buy Prologic Sakura?
Post by: antoy on Jun 26, 2002 at 11:10 PM
I saw several models at Deeco, Ever Commonwealth ranging from about P3,000-P7,000.  Why buy Sakura though?  Why not buy a good condition, used, branded Prologic AVR some members are selling? Just a thought.  I have a friend selling some equipment if you're interested. Text me 0917-7946809
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: torque on Dec 16, 2002 at 01:04 PM
bump for mojako

mojako,
there are other comments on several threads regarding Sakura Amps. you can use the search feature to read these comments.
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: mojako on Dec 16, 2002 at 02:59 PM
Thanks again torque.

Guys,
I'm planning to buy this Sakura 5/6 ch amp.  There are 2 reasons why i wanna buy this.  I don't have money to buy a receiver (I really don't wanna spend that much money-i am poor) and because my dvd player has a built in DD5.1 and DTS decoder.  

Who's currently using this amp?
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: Philander on Dec 16, 2002 at 05:55 PM
I used to have Sakura 1600, certified ProLogic Receiver with 5.1 channel input, DSPs, 300watts per channel (main), 33 watts for center, rear left and rear right. Remote.

Well its sounds fair enough for a very low cost set-up. Price is about P 3,325.00
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: torque on Dec 18, 2002 at 05:32 AM
Thanks again torque.

Guys,
I'm planning to buy this Sakura 5/6 ch amp.  There are 2 reasons why i wanna buy this.  I don't have money to buy a receiver (I really don't wanna spend that much money-i am poor) and because my dvd player has a built in DD5.1 and DTS decoder.  

Who's currently using this amp?

Mojako,
I have the same reasons why I bought my AV-337 Sakura Int Amp. My current set-up is only two speakers and a sub, wala pang center and surrounds. next year pa ako mag add ng speakers. Regarding the rear channels (mono as posted by other members), nang hiram na ko ng speakers before to complete the 5.1 set-up. sinubukan ko yung Fast and the Furious DVD, stereo naman and not mono ang sounds ng rear channels.
Yung remote nga pala ng unit ko walang kwenta sira kaagad. Pero okay lang lahat naman kasi ng major functions/control may manual adjustments sa unit.

nirvblakr,
thanks nga pala pare sa mga inputs mo before re Sakura Amps

Sakura Integrated Amplifier AV-377

Specification
Main channel power output (PMPO) - 250W+250W
Speaker impedance   - 4 to 16 ohms
Center channel power output (PMPO) - 50W
Speaker impedance   - 8 to 16 ohms
Surround power output (PMPO) - 50W+50W
Speaker impedance - 8 to 16 ohms

Features
CPU control of all functions
360-degrees digital volume control (auto-restored on power up)
Quartz AM/FM stereo tuner, with memory for storing up to 38 stations (19 each band)
Audio input jacks for AC-3 (ready),  super bass output system
Built-in super high main amplifier
Built-in independent amplifier for center, right surround and left surround
Separate volume control for center, right surround, left surround

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anybody here have heard about the MAAV 9908II digital surround integrated amp 400watts w/ analog AC-3 input..  i got it for Php 4k and it seems worth it....  kaysa sakura bibilhin ko....  i tried sakura and tested it  pero mono ang rear output nya..    good thing i found the MAAV amplifier...
try mo ring hanapin yung MAAV amplifier kasi as posted by shoestrings mas maganda to kaysa Sakura.
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: mojako on Dec 18, 2002 at 06:32 AM
thank you very much for your reply torque.  Sige, i'll research on this MAAV amp.  Merry Xmas!
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: tABs on Dec 18, 2002 at 05:44 PM
maganda ba tunog ng sakura?
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: xetrov on Dec 22, 2002 at 12:37 PM
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Mojako,
I have the same reasons why I bought my AV-337 Sakura Int Amp. My current set-up is only two speakers and a sub, wala pang center and surrounds.

What type of sub you use
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: PUSH on Dec 27, 2002 at 01:02 PM
naguguluhan n ako help naman. what should i buy a receiver or an amp? what's the difference ba in use?
if there is a thread here that could explain this question of mine kindly provide me a link naman oh. thnx!  ???
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: iceman90a on Dec 27, 2002 at 10:05 PM
naguguluhan n ako help naman. what should i buy a receiver or an amp? what's the difference ba in use?
if there is a thread here that could explain this question of mine kindly provide me a link naman oh. thnx!  ???

hi,

try this link - i personally learned a lot here:

http://www.hometheaterforum.com/htforum/showthread.php?&postid=517124#post517124

hope this helps
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: antoy on Jan 04, 2003 at 09:27 AM
Where can I find Sakura and MAAV amps and receivers? I need an amp and I want to check them out. Thanks
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: xetrov on Jan 04, 2003 at 12:07 PM
You can find both brands in RAON where I bought my sakura AV-377
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: artsky on Jan 04, 2003 at 09:23 PM
xetrov, ok naman ba yung SAKURA mo? how much did u get it? 5.1 ba sya?
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: antoy on Jan 04, 2003 at 10:32 PM
xetrov, which shop kaya? am not too familiar with the area e. thanks
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: xetrov on Jan 05, 2003 at 08:38 PM
xetrov, ok naman ba yung SAKURA mo? how much did u get it? 5.1 ba sya?

AC3 5.1 sya got it for 3K paired it with my Xenon 810D (DD/DTS)
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: xetrov on Jan 05, 2003 at 08:50 PM
xetrov, which shop kaya? am not too familiar with the area e. thanks

I forgot the name of the shop pero marami run. I also checked MAVV, mas mura sakura.
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: j@y on Jan 05, 2003 at 08:51 PM
xetrov,

care to share which shop because I've looked all over raon and to no avail can't find the Sakura AV-377. :)
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: torque on Jan 06, 2003 at 09:56 AM
You can find both brands in RAON where I bought my sakura AV-377
congrats on your sakura amp.

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AC3 5.1 sya got it for 3K paired it with my Xenon 810D (DD/DTS)
for 3K best buy talaga yan. pareho pala ang DVD player and integrated amp natin.

okay lang ba ang remote ng Sakura mo? yung remote kasi ng Amp ko wala pang 2 months nasira na, mukha kasing chipipay.


 
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: xetrov on Jan 06, 2003 at 10:50 AM
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for 3K best buy talaga yan. pareho pala ang DVD player and integrated amp natin.
okay lang ba ang remote ng Sakura mo? yung remote kasi ng Amp ko wala pang 2 months nasira na, mukha kasing chipipay.

I bought them both last Dec. 21 [ pamasko ko sa sarili ko ;) ] ung remote nga medyo naiipit ung pindutan pero binalot ko siya ng plastic tulad ng ginagawa ko sa ibang remote ko.
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: xetrov on Jan 06, 2003 at 10:58 AM
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xetrov,
care to share which shop because I've looked all over raon and to no avail can't find the Sakura AV-377. :)

Talaga, I've checked 6 stores and they all  have this model, the last store gave it to me for 3k kaya dun ko na kinuha. There is another model with AC3 5.1 din and DTS [daw] wala lang FM receiver for 2.6K silver sya forgot the model.
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: Mo®pHeOu$ on Jan 06, 2003 at 12:38 PM
 ;D ;D ;D

so this sakura amps will receive DD/DTS sound from DD/DTS encoded DVDs already if I am going to use a DVD player with built in DD/DTS decoders?

Thanks
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: Titanium on Jan 06, 2003 at 12:43 PM
I saw a model AV 388, di ko alam kung mas bago, 5.1 din with tuner, priced P2735. I will get one this Sunday for my second set up. Ill post performance then.
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: palin on Jan 06, 2003 at 12:44 PM
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xetrov,
care to share which shop because I've looked all over raon and to no avail can't find the Sakura AV-377. :)

Talaga, I've checked 6 stores and they all  have this model, the last store gave it to me for 3k kaya dun ko na kinuha. There is another model with AC3 5.1 din and DTS [daw] wala lang FM receiver for 2.6K silver sya forgot the model.
How about speakers?  Is it part of the 3k you shelled out?
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: torque on Jan 06, 2003 at 01:00 PM
;D ;D ;D

so this sakura amps will receive DD/DTS sound from DD/DTS encoded DVDs already if I am going to use a DVD player with built in DD/DTS decoders?

Thanks

YES! ;D

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I saw a model AV 388, di ko alam kung mas bago, 5.1 din with tuner, priced P2735. I will get one this Sunday for my second set up. Ill post performance then.

Sa power rating yata nagkaiba. paki post mo na lang yung spec pag nakabili ka.
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: xetrov on Jan 06, 2003 at 06:01 PM
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How about speakers?  Is it part of the 3k you shelled out?

No, I used the speakers from my 2 mini compo, I just bought the center and sub.
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: antoy on Jan 07, 2003 at 07:09 PM
I saw a model AV 388, di ko alam kung mas bago, 5.1 din with tuner, priced P2735. I will get one this Sunday for my second set up. Ill post performance then.

May I know which shop this is available. Thanks
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: artsky on Jan 07, 2003 at 07:47 PM
yup, interested din ako dito sa amp na ito kasi im on a budget. isa pang gusto ko yung MAAV.

post nyo naman where nyo nabili. thanks!
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: Archangel on Jan 08, 2003 at 07:28 PM
Do these amps (377 and 388) have digital OR 5.1 inputs?
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: xetrov on Jan 08, 2003 at 09:21 PM
Do these amps (377 and 388) have digital OR 5.1 inputs?

The 377 has AC3 5.1 inputs, no optical and coax.
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: stac on Jan 11, 2003 at 01:53 AM
went to raon yesterday and did'nt found any MAAV amps but there are several shops that sells the Sakura AV-377 kaso ayaw ibigay ng 3k, puro 3.5k at pinakamura na yung sa Paul Vincent Electronics Sales (along G. Puyat St.) going for Php3,325 (discounted from 3.5k, look for Ria). BTW the lady also recommends the AV-5020/AV-5022 (unlike the 377, these amps are 500W and don't sport FM/AM tuners) for 3.28k from 3.45k
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: artsky on Jan 12, 2003 at 04:42 PM
does the sakura have dsp controls such as disco, hall, live, etc?
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: Philander on Jan 13, 2003 at 01:56 PM
does the sakura have dsp controls such as disco, hall, live, etc?

Yes.
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: bigbird2323 on Jan 15, 2003 at 11:26 PM
Can you please give me an analysis with regards to sound quality,I'm thinking of pairing it with  wharfedale diamonds.do you think it will sound good.compared to  branded recieaver,is there really a big difference?
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: Titanium on Jan 16, 2003 at 12:36 PM
 I went to the store to buy the sakura av 388 I saw a week ago but lo! wala na stocks and d pa alam kung kailan darating yung bago. To anyone who have bought the sakura av 388, pls post a review on performance and if possible, specs. Thanks.
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: stac on Jan 16, 2003 at 12:55 PM
I went to the store to buy the sakura av 388 I saw a week ago but lo! wala na stocks and d pa alam kung kailan darating yung bago. To anyone who have bought the sakura av 388, pls post a review on performance and if possible, specs. Thanks.

bro titanium try mo sa Paul Vincent Electronics Corp, meron sila 388, just called them up available yung 388 for Php2,600, baka bumaba pa kung tawaran mo! call them @ 7340035, look for Ria. hope this helps and kung makabili ka, post some reviews. cheers!!!
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: nerveblocker on Jan 16, 2003 at 01:08 PM
does the sakura have dsp controls such as disco, hall, live, etc?

The older model Sakura AV1600 has DSP controls that don't work.  I dunno lang if the newer ones do.
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: stac on Jan 16, 2003 at 02:38 PM
does the sakura have dsp controls such as disco, hall, live, etc?

The older model Sakura AV1600 has DSP controls that don't work.  I dunno lang if the newer ones do.

sir nirvblakr, base on your experience, nakapag-setup ka na ba ng speakers using any sakura avr. ano ma-recommend mo sakura? i am planning to get quality speakers from you kaso mga budget avr lang kaya ko. thanks in advance.
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: qball on Mar 02, 2003 at 12:57 PM
Has anyone bought the sakura av 388? Please give your reviews.
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: mojako on Mar 03, 2003 at 02:08 AM
AV-377 meron ako.  Malakas siya (500w according to the manual).  Powering my Diamond center, diamond 8.1 fronts and aiwa bookshelf rears.  Using the built in DTS/DD 5.1 decoder of my dvd player, ok na ok sya.  Surround on a budget.  Separate volume controls for the front channel, center, and rear right, rear left channel.  May sub out sya, pero walang sub volume (yun yung hindi ok sa kanya).  
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: mdsaint3 on Mar 03, 2003 at 11:19 AM
post pics of your sakura naman..thanks
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: mojako on Mar 04, 2003 at 04:13 AM
Sige post ako pag na picturan ko.
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: torque on Mar 04, 2003 at 08:59 PM
AV-377 meron ako.  Malakas siya (500w according to the manual).  Powering my Diamond center, diamond 8.1 fronts and aiwa bookshelf rears.  Using the built in DTS/DD 5.1 decoder of my dvd player, ok na ok sya.  Surround on a budget.  Separate volume controls for the front channel, center, and rear right, rear left channel.  May sub out sya, pero walang sub volume (yun yung hindi ok sa kanya).  

mojako,
panalo ba yung pair ng AV-377 and diamond 8.1? balak ko kasing bumili ng diamond 8.1 (pag may pera na).
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: mojako on Mar 04, 2003 at 09:59 PM
torque,
Panalong panalo! basta i pa tweak mo yung 8.1 kina Nirv, para gumanda pa yung quality nung speakers.  Medyo muddy kasi eh, pag pina tweak mo, clarity and detail will increase noticeably.
Title: To Sakura 5ch amp users
Post by: mojako on Mar 06, 2003 at 03:54 AM
I have a Sakura AV-377, a sub is plugged in through the sub out, and this is my concern:
When i turn the volume up or down the volume of the sub does not go up or down.  Stagnant yung volume ng sub.  Talaga bang ganito yung sakura? wala rin syang sub volume sa controller or sa face ng amp.  Any comments sakura users there?
Title: Re:To Sakura 5ch amp users
Post by: greatbop on Mar 06, 2003 at 05:27 AM
does your subwoofer have a crossover built in??

i'm thinking na baka yun ang problem mo.
Title: Re:To Sakura 5ch amp users
Post by: greatbop on Mar 06, 2003 at 06:06 AM
wait a sec. your sakura's just 'amplifier?'

how do you have your sakura amp hooked up? naka kabit ba yun sa pre amplifer?

Or maybe what that sakura is. is integrated amp?

Title: Re:To Sakura 5ch amp users
Post by: mojako on Mar 06, 2003 at 06:43 AM
not sure whether integrated tong sakura.  Basta it's hooked up like this

DVD player (6 ch rca-analog out) --> Sakura Amp --> 6 speakers (including sub)
Title: Re:To Sakura 5ch amp users
Post by: mdsaint3 on Mar 06, 2003 at 07:22 AM
mojakos sub is custom built by nirv. dont know the specs of the sub. and the controls at the back though...

what i suggested was for him to pass the sub through the speaker output of his amp and connect his speakers to the sub but he said his sub does not have a high level input output.. maybe mel can give him better advice..
Title: Re:To Sakura 5ch amp users
Post by: torque on Mar 06, 2003 at 08:39 AM
I have a Sakura AV-377, a sub is plugged in through the sub out, and this is my concern:
When i turn the volume up or down the volume of the sub does not go up or down.  Stagnant yung volume ng sub.  Talaga bang ganito yung sakura? wala rin syang sub volume sa controller or sa face ng amp.  Any comments sakura users there?

mojako,
wala talagang volume control for sub ang Sakura AV-377. Yung mga sub na may built-in volume control ang ideal na gamitin sa AV-377, like the sub of 2.1/5.1 computer speakers or Xenon/Konzert 2.1 sub/sattelite speaker. Ang problema mahina lang ang output ng mga ganitong subs. Ang gamit kong sub for my sakura is the sub of my 2.1 cambridge soundworks speaker. May bass control yung sub, pag nag-adjust ako ng bass level kasama na rin yung volume.

torque
Title: Re:To Sakura 5ch amp users
Post by: greatbop on Mar 06, 2003 at 09:52 AM
^ well i guess you gotta do the High Level setup, then.. meron bang internal cross over yung sub? and does it take speaker wires for connection?
Title: Re:To Sakura 5ch amp users
Post by: Ianbond on Mar 06, 2003 at 03:03 PM
Looks like pass-through yung LFE connection ng Sakura.
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: mojako on Mar 06, 2003 at 11:58 PM
wala high level connection yung sub eh.  I'll try to find another workaround.
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: mdsaint3 on Mar 08, 2003 at 10:18 AM
BTW - where are sakura amps available? only in raon?? thanks
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: qball on Mar 08, 2003 at 03:16 PM
I saw a Sakura AV-98 sa raon, and according doon sa lalakeng nagbabantay may coax input daw ito and it sells for P7,500, di ko alam kung may bawas pa.
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: mdsaint3 on Mar 08, 2003 at 08:56 PM
only in raon???
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: nerveblocker on Mar 08, 2003 at 10:11 PM
mojako-  I think you just have to manually adjust the sub's volume to suit your taste then.   :D
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: mojako on Mar 10, 2003 at 03:35 PM
Mel,
o nga eh, yung mom ko kasi pag nag papatugtog ng audio cd's nya, bumabayo yung bass. heheh
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: nescafe_frothe on Mar 27, 2003 at 04:34 PM
does anybody know if sakura av receivers are available at raon, pls indicate store and prices that you've found.

any idea how much it would cost for daichi 5.1 speaker set, and the cheapest sub in raon.
Title: need help with a/v receiver/speakers,subs, etc...
Post by: Jason_10 on May 02, 2003 at 02:04 PM
hi guys!
im a newbie here. just been to raon with my friend and saw a sakura 5.1 receiver at a very tempting price. im just curious how does the 5.1 work? my dvd has a digital out while the 5.1 receiver i saw didnt have a digital input.

btw i plan to use the set-up for watching dvd movies, listening to cd's plus video gaming.

need help badly! really excited with the set-up...tnx guys!
Title: Re:need help with a/v receiver/speakers,subs, etc...
Post by: Courage on May 02, 2003 at 02:11 PM
hi guys!
im a newbie here. just been to raon with my friend and saw a sakura 5.1 receiver at a very tempting price. im just curious how does the 5.1 work? my dvd has a digital out while the 5.1 receiver i saw didnt have a digital input.

btw i plan to use the set-up for watching dvd movies, listening to cd's plus video gaming.

need help badly! really excited with the set-up...tnx guys!

Pare ull need a DVD player with built in DD and DTS decoder then connect the 5.1 out of the DVD player to the 5.1 in of the Sakura Amp.

I assum that t5he Sakura has no DD and DTS since sabi mo eh wala syang digital out
Title: Re:need help with a/v receiver/speakers,subs, etc...
Post by: Jason_10 on May 02, 2003 at 05:07 PM
ive a pioneer dv-535k, with dolby digital and dts. hmmm... i think i saw a dts, dolby 5.1 at the sakura receiver, i guess i didnt see the digital out at the back of the unit. thanks. that answered one of my queries.

now another re: the speakers...i saw this brand of speakers, AUDIOFILE, kinda looks like the small bose speakers. is that ok na? btw what type of speakers do i need and how many? the subs? what brand is ok? what size/specs? sorry for my ignorance...just a newbie here who's on a budget, so i guess this will be a DIY project. need more help guys!
Title: Re:need help with a/v receiver/speakers,subs, etc...
Post by: mojako on May 02, 2003 at 05:15 PM
actually, pwede mo gamitin yan sakura na yan, pero as a 5.1 amp lang (im using one).  You may use the built in DD 5.1 / DTS decoder of your DVD player.  Just make sure na may sub out yung sakura amp na yan.

Kung gusto mong custom made speakers, contact mo si Nirvblakr.  Ok na ok yung custom speakers niya
Title: Re:need help with a/v receiver/speakers,subs, etc...
Post by: johndoe on May 02, 2003 at 06:47 PM
how much ung sakura amp?im planning to buy one for bass shakers.... ;D
Title: Re:need help with a/v receiver/speakers,subs, etc...
Post by: Jason_10 on May 02, 2003 at 07:08 PM
mojako,

yup may sub out ako na nakita. howz the performance of the sakura amp? so how does it work? ill connect the digital out of my dvd player to the digital input of the amp to achieve the 5.1 sound? siguro i'll have the sub and center speaker customized.  pero yung small speakers, baka ill get the audiofile or daichi brands, asl long as they're small and may speaker stand. btw, may DSP yung sakura ryt?

johndoe,

the sakura receiver goes for more or less 5k.

what i am dissapointed about is the salesperson in raon was not very knowledgable of what she sells,that's why i got a bit confused.  usually daw kse their customers go their with a list of what they need.


 
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: torque on May 02, 2003 at 08:47 PM
bump
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: Jason_10 on May 03, 2003 at 07:07 PM
guys, anybody?
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: johndoe on May 04, 2003 at 05:32 PM
pro ok ba naman an quality?..
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: mojako on May 04, 2003 at 10:01 PM
jason,
ok naman tong sakura amp na to.  Wala akong masabi, tipid setup talaga.  Malakas pa.  Naka diamond 8.1, center ako, kayang kaya nya movies and audio.  Using  5.1 analog connectors from dvd to amp (wala kasing digital connection yung sakura eh).  Only drawback is, hindi kasama sa volume yung sub, you have to change the volume manually.  With regards to DSP, walang kwenta yung dsp nito, pero may Prologic 2 ata to.  
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: Jason_10 on May 05, 2003 at 07:16 AM
mojako,

thanks for the info. pero i think i saw a DTS logo on the sakura amp. so may digital input na kaya yon? i forgot the exact model kse. what about the DSP? panong wlang kwenta? i myt get the amp dis week after i get my allowance and some savings... :)
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: rtsy on May 05, 2003 at 10:07 AM
pro ok ba naman an quality?..

I haven't heard the Sakura but at Php5k for 5 channels or PhP1k/channel, I guess the question to ask is this:  are you saving ~PhP10k by not buying an entry level HT receiver like Onkyo or are you risking/wasting your PhP5k.

Just a thought...
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: Philander on May 05, 2003 at 10:37 AM
mojako,

thanks for the info. pero i think i saw a DTS logo on the sakura amp. so may digital input na kaya yon? i forgot the exact model kse. what about the DSP? panong wlang kwenta? i myt get the amp dis week after i get my allowance and some savings... :)

Yes, DTS logo: DTS ready, walang digital in ang Sakura amps, only 5.1 channel analog input. So ang magdedecode ng DD and DTS is yung DVD player.
DSP is no use kasi pag ang input mo is 5.1, DSPs are disabled and if you use the DSP with stereo sources, the DSP sound does not creates "DSP" ambience, nagbago lang yung sound and medyo active yung sound sa rear/surround pero hindi talaga matatawag na DSP yun.

Some sakura does have Prologic 1 not 2.

I used to own Sakura amps, I have three models, but my adviced is get a better receiver, you can buy secondhand decent receiver for just 10K. If you have any question regarding Sakura amps, you may chat me at YM: angl_gnzls is my username.

Quality os sound? Can be subjective. Quality of the unit? so, so.
Thanks.
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: rtsy on May 05, 2003 at 03:45 PM
If you have any question regarding Sakura amps, you may chat me at YM: angl_gnlz is my username.

Quality os sound? Can be subjective. Quality of the unit? so, so.

Why not share your experience w/ Sakura on the board instead of chat?  Judging by the number of posts, this thread has generated A LOT OF interest on Sakura and you may be doing many PinoyDVDers a favor by sharing what you know...

...unless of course Sakura sponsors PinoyDVD.  mods, do they?   ;)
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: Philander on May 05, 2003 at 04:05 PM
No problem naman, ang dami ko na kasing remarks regarding SAKURA. Medyo umuulit lang. I offered chat para mas madaling makipag communicate then mas straight to the point, kasi baka may masagasaan ako when i put my reviews here.
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: mdsaint3 on May 05, 2003 at 05:54 PM
hi philander.can you post your ym id again? tried adding you.. but username does not exist. thanks .. your using yahoo right?
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: Philander on May 05, 2003 at 05:56 PM
oooops. mali nga. its angl_gnzls
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: mojako on May 06, 2003 at 12:30 AM
Kung sound quality lang, ok na ok tong sakura.  Perfect for movies, hindi na sayang yung 2.5k ko (2nd hand ko to nabili eh).  Wala na nga akong balak bumili ng receiver eh, baket pa?  I've heard mdsaint's onkyo + wharfdale diamond setup, hindi nagkakalayo yung SQ pag dating sa movies.  Pero sa audio, hindi ko masabi, i don't have a good cd player to say so.  
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: Jason_10 on May 08, 2003 at 12:15 PM
hi guys!

i already bought the sakura  av-377 a/v receiver and a pair of audiofile surround cube speakers for the rear. (im using a pair of HUG speakers temporarily in front) the sound was ok, mejo bitin lang coz la pa subs and center speaker.

anyway my prob is my pio DVD- 535k doesnt have an analog out. what brand of DVD's that have a surround output to pair with my amp?

i also need a powered sub to connect the SW out from the amp. what good sub can i buy for less than 5k?
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: mojako on May 08, 2003 at 09:55 PM
The nextbase dvd player has 6 analog outs.  Madami pa actually.  Sub for less than 5k? madami sa assorted buy and sell section.
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: Jason_10 on May 09, 2003 at 02:28 AM
mojako,

thanks! bad vibes naman yung pioneer ko, walang surround analog out. :P btw i just read the nextbase dvd thread, mukhang ok naman so i guess ive to get a nb unit soon. again thanks!
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: mojako on May 10, 2003 at 05:13 PM
jason,
no prob.  Baka walang DTS/DD 5.1 built in encoder yan pioneer mo.  Usually, pag may built in encoder, may 6ch analog out
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: Jason_10 on May 10, 2003 at 08:29 PM
mojako,

my dv 535k has a DTS digital out, pero analog out yung input ng amp ko...sayang talaga. siguro i'll think about getting the nextbase DVD after i get a center speaker and sub. ty again!
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: mojako on May 11, 2003 at 09:40 PM
sure. NP :)
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: H a n $ on May 12, 2003 at 02:35 PM
Jason_10

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Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: amo on May 13, 2003 at 04:56 PM
Jason_10,

sir just an advise . . . maybe you could check first if the nextbase has the DTS decoder. remember your sakura doesn't have its own DTS decoder, so it will be better if you could get a dvd player that has that capability to do the decoding for your viewing and listening pleasure.

maybe you could also try reading the xenon thread.

. . . just an advise  :)

amo
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: Jason_10 on May 14, 2003 at 11:29 AM
Jason_10,

sir just an advise . . . maybe you could check first if the nextbase has the DTS decoder. remember your sakura doesn't have its own DTS decoder, so it will be better if you could get a dvd player that has that capability to do the decoding for your viewing and listening pleasure.

maybe you could also try reading the xenon thread.

. . . just an advise  :)

amo

hi!

ive read in the NB thread that the NB dvd player already has an on board DTS decoder plus the surround analog  out, unlike my pioneer that only has a digital out.

my amp doesnt have a digital in but it is 5.1 ready, so its will just be a plug and play set up. pls reply asap. tnx!

jason
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: Philander on May 14, 2003 at 11:38 AM
hi!

ive read in the NB thread that the NB dvd player already has an on board DTS decoder plus the surround analog  out, unlike my pioneer that only has a digital out.

my amp doesnt have a digital in but it is 5.1 ready, so its will just be a plug and play set up. pls reply asap. tnx!

jason

You need to connect (via 6 RCA cables) your DVD Player's 5.1 analog out to the Sakura's 5.1 analog Input.

Then set the Audio option of your DVD player in 5.1 mode; turning on the subwoofer, center and rear channels.
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: Jason_10 on May 14, 2003 at 04:07 PM
ok. that's nice to hear. thank u so much for ur replies. its really worth it to ask here before buying.  :)
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: amo on May 14, 2003 at 04:09 PM
i just mentioned this because a few months back i'v read that it was the DTS decoder that was lacking in the nextbase dvd players then. well, its good to hear it does have now, in its newer models.

and philander is right regarding the connection, your dvd player analog outs connected to the analog ins of your sakura avr.
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: fierari on Jul 11, 2003 at 01:51 PM

any more reviews on sakura? im planning to buy one.
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: Philander on Jul 11, 2003 at 02:02 PM

any more reviews on sakura? im planning to buy one.

Center and Rear channels are weak. Not as powerful as the main. Even the Sakura certified ProLogic Amps does not use the same power for each channels.

More likely, the power distribution are: main 150 to 300 watts, center 35 watts, rear channels 35watts (x2).

Try to figure out.
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: garfield03 on Jul 12, 2003 at 05:08 PM
hi! I also had a pioneer DV-266 with a SAKURA ampli. Worst part is I can't get the 5.1 surround sound bec my Pioneer Player doesn't have a 5.1 output. What do you suggest. Change the player or change the Ampli? Btw, is the nextbase dvd player had a S-Video output?
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: levi on Jul 12, 2003 at 05:27 PM
I suggest you change your receiver. It will give you a better sound than changing your DVD player.
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: Philander on Jul 12, 2003 at 05:36 PM
hi! I also had a pioneer DV-266 with a SAKURA ampli. Worst part is I can't get the 5.1 surround sound bec my Pioneer Player doesn't have a 5.1 output. What do you suggest. Change the player or change the Ampli? Btw, is the nextbase dvd player had a S-Video output?

Change the receiver/ampli of course. Yes, the Nextbase has S-Video output.
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: jackryan on Jul 12, 2003 at 05:42 PM
change the amp... go for higher models/brands that you can afford to go so you won't get the never ending upgrade itch :-)
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: garfield03 on Jul 12, 2003 at 10:00 PM
Hi! Planning to order an ampli from the web and ship to my cousin in the US. Any suggestion? Or any affordable website? Budget $ 150.00
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: garfield03 on Jul 14, 2003 at 07:21 PM
Hi! Anybody know the specs of Sakura ampli SAV-997R? Im planning to sell it kc but no mnual so hard to place ad.

Thanks!
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: Philander on Jul 14, 2003 at 07:32 PM
Hi! Anybody know the specs of Sakura ampli SAV-997R? Im planning to sell it kc but no mnual so hard to place ad.

Thanks!

Is that one of the high-end series of Sakura?

With 500/watts per channel (main channel)?
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: garfield03 on Jul 14, 2003 at 07:47 PM
I think so..But its already phase-out. btw, to philander. can i talk to you in phone for further n quick info if its ok with you. txt me at 0917-8945403

Thanks!
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: torque on Jul 31, 2003 at 01:08 PM
I haven't heard the Sakura but at Php5k for 5 channels or PhP1k/channel, I guess the question to ask is this:  are you saving ~PhP10k by not buying an entry level HT receiver like Onkyo or are you risking/wasting your PhP5k.

Just a thought...

I'm using Sakura AV-377 amp for over a year now.
Depende siguro kung sino ang bibili.
Kung can afford ng branded receiver siguro don't consider the Sakura Amp.
Pero kung tight budget talaga sulit na sulit ang Sakura.


Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: Onion Skin on Jul 31, 2003 at 01:19 PM
I'm using Sakura AV-377 amp for over a year now.
Depende siguro kung sino ang bibili.
Kung can afford ng branded receiver siguro don't consider the Sakura Amp.
Pero kung tight budget talaga sulit na sulit ang Sakura.




Sakura responded well when paired with DTX 9.5T speakers for the front coz i heard one.
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: torque on Jul 31, 2003 at 01:34 PM
Sakura responded well when paired with DTX 9.5T speakers for the front coz i heard one.

Actually we connected two pairs of DTX 9.5T (floorstander) to AV-377. one pair for front and one pair for surround.  

Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: positive_noise on Jul 31, 2003 at 01:37 PM
Hi Bro,

How much is the AV-377 Sakura Receiver ngayon?

positive_noise.  ;)
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: Onion Skin on Jul 31, 2003 at 01:42 PM
Hi Bro,

How much is the AV-377 Sakura Receiver ngayon?

positive_noise.  ;)

I last heard that it costs around 3500php at NEW AJC AERO MASTER ENTERPRISES in Raon.
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: t_s_o_n_g on Jul 31, 2003 at 08:48 PM
Sakura responded well when paired with DTX 9.5T speakers for the front coz i heard one.

Yes, this is right. Maganda na yung bass response niya. No need to buy a sub for a small room area.
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: positive_noise on Aug 01, 2003 at 04:34 PM
Medyo mataas lang ang THD ng sakura 0.5% Usually for audio manufacturer is only 0.08%  ;D
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: torque on Aug 04, 2003 at 09:13 AM
I was able to carefully listen to my Sakura-DTX 9.5T stereo set-up last weekend. The set-up sounded OK on my Band of Brothers and Ice Age DVDs. I played some of my dance and re-mixes CDs like New Wave Mega Mix One and Two and Re-Activate and they also sounded good. But when I played CDs from Pearl Jam, Nirvana, REM and U2 oh crap! It did not sound like they are my favorite bands. I then tried my Diana Krall DVD, DK’s voice is great but the sound of guitar, piano and cymbals are lacking.

DTX 9.5T paired with budget amp like Sakura is OK on movies. On music, it depends on what type of music you are playing. My Sakura-DTX 9.5T set up lacks detail and clarity. The sound of DTX 9.5T will definitely improve when paired with branded receiver.

To compensate for lack of detail and clarity on my set-up, I’ve connected my Cambridge satellite speakers on DTX 9.5T. Now, I have the good mid-bass sound DTX 9.5T and the detail and clarity of mid-high sound of Cambridge satellite speakers.

HAPPY  ;D ;D ;D
SATISFIED? ::)



Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: t_s_o_n_g on Aug 04, 2003 at 09:22 AM
Pare Torque, I'm waiting for your set up na maging 5.1 using sakura. post mo review mo kung ano yung performance. tnx! ;D
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: positive_noise on Aug 05, 2003 at 10:55 AM
Thats right Bro! so we can test if sakura can drive all of them 5ch at the same time!  ;)

positive_noise.
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: ADM202E on Aug 05, 2003 at 06:33 PM
I was able to carefully listen to my Sakura-DTX 9.5T stereo set-up last weekend. The set-up sounded OK on my Band of Brothers and Ice Age DVDs. I played some of my dance and re-mixes CDs like New Wave Mega Mix One and Two and Re-Activate and they also sounded good. But when I played CDs from Pearl Jam, Nirvana, REM and U2 oh s**t! It did not sound like they are my favorite bands. I then tried my Diana Krall DVD, DK’s voice is great but the sound of guitar, piano and cymbals are lacking.

DTX 9.5T paired with budget amp like Sakura is OK on movies. On music, it depends on what type of music you are playing. My Sakura-DTX 9.5T set up lacks detail and clarity. The sound of DTX 9.5T will definitely improve when paired with branded receiver.

To compensate for lack of detail and clarity on my set-up, I’ve connected my Cambridge satellite speakers on DTX 9.5T. Now, I have the good mid-bass sound DTX 9.5T and the detail and clarity of mid-high sound of Cambridge satellite speakers.

HAPPY  ;D ;D ;D
SATISFIED? ::)





How about testing the your DTX on yamaha receiver and paired with wharfedale? plus dq12?
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: t_s_o_n_g on Aug 05, 2003 at 08:46 PM
Sigurado ako kayang kaya yamaha yung DTX9.5T. Madali lang i drive yung speaker na to. Kaya nga ng Sakura yamaha pa! ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: Philander on Aug 05, 2003 at 09:10 PM
Sigurado ako kayang kaya yamaha yung DTX9.5T. Madali lang i drive yung speaker na to. Kaya nga ng Sakura yamaha pa! ;D ;D ;D

FYI: Mas powerful ang Sakura Amps in terms of two channel reproduction, though hindi ganoon ka-accurate ang sound. Sound quality? of course.. Yamaha.
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: positive_noise on Aug 06, 2003 at 11:34 AM
FYI: Mas powerful ang Sakura Amps in terms of two channel reproduction, though hindi ganoon ka-accurate ang sound. Sound quality? of course.. Yamaha.

Hi Philander,

I'm not familiar with Sakura amp internal circuitry/features... why is it more powerful in two channel?  :)


positive_noise.  ;D
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: Philander on Aug 06, 2003 at 11:40 AM
Hi Philander,

I'm not familiar with Sakura amp internal circuitry/features... why is it more powerful in two channel?  :)


positive_noise.  ;D

Most Sakura amps have RMS power of 150 watts (per channel) in stereo. The center and surround power is about 35 watts RMS each only.

Some Sakura amps have upto 300 watts RMs power.

Expect the power.
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: mdsaint3 on Aug 06, 2003 at 12:06 PM
so you think sakura having low center and rear power would contribute to a friends wharf diamond center not sounding as good as his 8.1s? whats a good soultion to this??
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: Philander on Aug 06, 2003 at 02:27 PM
so you think sakura having low center and rear power would contribute to a friends wharf diamond center not sounding as good as his 8.1s? whats a good soultion to this??

Yes definitely. 35 watts RMS power can drive the diamond center but it won't be able to force the diamond center to sing.

Most likely, a 35 watts RMS at 8 ohms (maximum) is not enough to drive the 100 watts @ 6 ohms, low-sensitivity speaker, a certain amplifier does not emit its maximum power accurately, baka magclip na, so rough approximate na baka hanggang 28 or lower ang maximum power, e hindi pa accurate.

Solution? Wala pang available na Sakura  na may 5ch equal amplifier power. Either gumamit sya ng 3 stereo amplifiers, or bumili ng 5ch equal amplifier power.
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: positive_noise on Aug 06, 2003 at 05:06 PM
Hi Philander,

Thanks for the info! This is one of the disadvantage of sakura receiver! a none equal power in all 5ch! unlike most branded receiver has equal power distribution.

Thanks,
positive_noise.  ;D
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: jofkevski on Aug 06, 2003 at 05:57 PM
It could be considered a drawback of sakura. However, there is the run-around on this.

Firstly, typical listening will not really reach at 35watts even if you are using wharf.

Second, DVD players and maybe sakura (this i dont know) can have individual channel level tailored to be at same level to each other in aN HT setup.

In HT setup, you may have your front set at -10dB, and your rear and center be adjusted to +?? levels using test tone (in DVD player, some has) until, you judge each channel to be in same loudness level.

So people with tight budget could really make use of sakura without the seemingly disadvatage unequal power amp ratings in its channels.
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: jofkevski on Aug 06, 2003 at 06:11 PM
This is a PS to give a real example. ihave a Kenwood XD-DV9 rated 80W for front and 40W for center and rear.

For front, it is fixed as the referece (at 0dB). The adjustment is on the center and rear channels. Thus, my setting in these Center/Rear channels are +3dB (relative to front 0dB). This can be interpreted this way: at any volume level, the Center/rear channel should pump twice its power.

Another way of saying this is that at certain volume, if all levels are set to 0dB, if front is making 10watts music, then center/rear does 5watts. but since I set the center/rear at +3dB, it is like the front firing 10watts, and my center/rear will be doubling its output (5watts x 2) to 10 watts.

Of course, when you now listens with 40watts in front channel, the center/rear will be at their peak of 40watts. But this will hardly happen in an ordinary small viewing room.

Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: ADM202E on Aug 07, 2003 at 09:35 PM
Sigurado ako kayang kaya yamaha yung DTX9.5T. Madali lang i drive yung speaker na to. Kaya nga ng Sakura yamaha pa! ;D ;D ;D

Kaya kung sa kaya syempre, pero we need to validate kung ok na ang high freq nito using yamaha, di kasi ito detectable using sakura, it is the main reason why torque need to parallel a cambridge to add some highs.
In this manner, we could attest this would be the one of the best for entry level speakers.
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: endless on Sep 29, 2003 at 02:46 PM
i'm glad to find this thread about sakura amps. it seems that there are lots of people using sakura amps already so i hope someone could help my friend's problem:

my friend has a sakura amp/receiver. i forgot the model but it has DSPs, 5 analog input/ac-3, tuner. he also have an AV Link brand DVD player with 6 analog output.

i helped him setup his HT over the weekend. the 6 output of the AV Link DVD player were connected to the 6 input of the sakura amp and all corresponding speakers was hooked up including the sub.

we tested it but unfortunately the surround speakers don't work. not a single sound came out it. we tested using different DVDs from orig region 1 to pirated ones but to no avail. i checked all the connections over and over but everything seems correct. so here are my questions:

1.) i noticed that on the LCD panel of the sakura amp, the "srs virtual ..."(something like that) is lit up. since "SRS" is a virtual surround could it be defeating the purpose of the surround esp. that virtual surround is built for stereo to have a virtual surround sound? but if i choose "tuner" to listen to AM/FM the surround speakers work EVEN with the "SRS" light ON.

2.) does any of you guys have the "SRS" light lit up but was able to make the surround speakers work during DVD watching?

3.) is there a way to disable the "SRS"? i can't seem to find the button to disable it even on the remote control.

4.) anybody experienced this problem before? if so, what did you do?

5.) could it be a receiver problem or dvd player problem?

my friend lost the manual of the sakura receiver/amp and dvd player thus making things harder to solve.

any help will be appreciated. :)
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: Philander on Sep 29, 2003 at 03:04 PM
It has been suggested by Av_phile about the settings in the DVD player:
http://www.pinoydvd.com/yabbse/index.php?board=10;action=display;threadid=15493;start=msg256851#msg256851

First, check the audio set-up menu in the DVD player.


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1.) i noticed that on the LCD panel of the sakura amp, the "srs virtual ..."(something like that) is lit up. since "SRS" is a virtual surround could it be defeating the purpose of the surround esp. that virtual surround is built for stereo to have a virtual surround sound? but if i choose "tuner" to listen to AM/FM the surround speakers work EVEN with the "SRS" light ON.

Forget about the LCD display of sakura. It does not function as it should be.

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2.) does any of you guys have the "SRS" light lit up but was able to make the surround speakers work during DVD watching?

The DSP and other sound enhancement is turned-off if you are using the 5.1 analog input (in case with Sakura).

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3.) is there a way to disable the "SRS"? i can't seem to find the button to disable it even on the remote control.

Like I said, some function are lighted in the LCD even it is not working or even it does have that feature.

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5.) could it be a receiver problem or dvd player problem?


Maybe both, first check the DVD player's audio set-up, be sure that surround speakers are set to ON Mode.

Check some settings in the Recevier, check the surround volume, maybe the volume is set to minimal in 5.1 analog input mode (in stereo mode maybe it was set to maximum level).

Check the integrity of the receiver.. maybe the 5.1 analog input is not working, just a display or added connection which is not working at all. Or maybe there is really a problem.. some broken wires, broken RCA, etc.


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my friend lost the manual of the sakura receiver/amp and dvd player thus making things harder to solve.?

Yup, i guess the problem is in the audio set-up in the dvd player....


You may also check if the connection of the surround in put in the 5.1 analog input is working... just input the Front Left and Front right connection (or any stereo sources).
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: endless on Sep 29, 2003 at 03:24 PM
Philander,

thanks for the reply. i posted the problem in this thread coz i think it's more appropriate.

anyway, how do you go to the audio setup of the DVD player? do you need to have a DVD in the player?

thanks. :)
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: Philander on Sep 29, 2003 at 03:38 PM
No need for a DVD, some settings are disable while on-play status.

I'm not familiar with the audio settings of the AV Link DVD player.

How do you go to audio set-up? Oh, this is hard...
Let me try.
First, press the Set-up button in the remote control (be sure the unit is turned on.. heheheh). Navigate, then go to audio set-up option, then follow av_phile said..

"You may want to check the on screen DVD menu item typically labelled Audio Set-up.  De-select the "downmix to stereo" or stereo option which opens all the 5 chanels.".

Then be sure that ON state/mode is set to the different channels.. (sub. center and rears).

HTH.
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: endless on Sep 29, 2003 at 03:48 PM
No need for a DVD, some settings are disable while on-play status.

I'm not familiar with the audio settings of the AV Link DVD player.

How do you go to audio set-up? Oh, this is hard...
Let me try.
First, press the Set-up button in the remote control (be sure the unit is turned on.. heheheh). Navigate, then go to audio set-up option, then follow av_phile said..

"You may want to check the on screen DVD menu item typically labelled Audio Set-up.  De-select the "downmix to stereo" or stereo option which opens all the 5 chanels.".

Then be sure that ON state/mode is set to the different channels.. (sub. center and rears).

HTH.

thanks, Philander. :)

i'm going to try it when i go to my friend's house and i hope that his DVD player has an audio setup.
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: Philander on Sep 29, 2003 at 03:52 PM
thanks, Philander. :)

i'm going to try it when i go to my friend's house and i hope that his DVD player has an audio setup.

There is and there should be... goodluck.  :)
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: Yakuini on Sep 30, 2003 at 09:41 AM
@Endless

Please check the surround volume of your Sakura amp. When you turn ON the Sakura, it automatically adjust all its volume to zero. So make sure you increase the volume of your surround.

HTH
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: endless on Sep 30, 2003 at 10:08 AM
@Endless

Please check the surround volume of your Sakura amp. When you turn ON the Sakura, it automatically adjust all its volume to zero. So make sure you increase the volume of your surround.

HTH

Yakuini,

i did adjust the surround volume to full volume but to no avail. i've yet to do audio setup Philander and av_phile said coz i've been busy with work.

thanks. :)
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: Yakuini on Sep 30, 2003 at 10:24 AM
One more thing. You need to click the 7channel button to enable the 5.1 setup of your Sakura.

My Sakura amp is the old model (No tuner) and it has this 7channel/dvd button that I have to push for the 5.1 setup to work.

Those are the two things that I overlooked kasi nung ayaw umandar surround ko.
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: garfield03 on Oct 01, 2003 at 12:17 PM
Hi! Im also using a SAKURA and I found out that the BASS is very good. Sounds Satisfactory. But you need a CHINA DVD Player with AC3 output to have that 5.1 surround sound. BTW, Im planning to upgrade my system and selling my SAKUA SAV-997 (500 Watts). Hehehe :) Just PM if Interested.
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: endless on Oct 10, 2003 at 03:02 PM
Philander and Av_phile,

i did the what you suggested regarding turning off the "downmix to stereo" and it worked.

at first, it didn't work. i was so frustrated and start checking the RCA cables but everything's good. i tried several times turning "downmix to stereo" ON and OFF but to no avail.

i was about to give up on the dvd player and sakura amp and call it a day then my friend suggested to try different DVD (i was using fast n the furious pirated dvd) so i put in original R1 "gone in 60secs". lo and behold, it worked right away.

i didn't realize these pirated DVD can be the culprit. i haven't experienced this before but only darker pictures. anyway it's working now. :)

thanks again.
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: levi on Oct 10, 2003 at 05:34 PM
Anyone who could bring a Sakura Amp for the Cable eb tom?
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: Leiko on Oct 29, 2003 at 09:11 AM
Was informed this is locally made.  Does anyone know where the showroom is or their factory/office?

Has anyone tried their 6 channel amp (not a receiver)?
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: Leiko on Oct 31, 2003 at 08:12 AM
just to correct myself -- these amps are china made not local.  they are distributed by a company based in Las Pinas. this local outfit provides QA and local support.
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: tolits on Dec 09, 2003 at 07:49 PM
Mga 'tol I've been using AV377 for 6mos now kung sa pang Home theater 5.1 ok ang performance nya pero kung pang stereo music playing ewan ko d ko ma feel!
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: 88888888 on Dec 10, 2003 at 08:41 AM
hi guys, im a newbie here in a sense that its my 1st time to write a post :) but ive browsed this site for a month already and man! this place is really informative.

ok ba ang sakura av-5023? its around P3,700 ata. ano difference nya sa av-389 and other existing sakura amps? my budget for this is P4K down. kaya sakura lang ang alam ko na ok for this price....please help....thanks :)
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: juneaki on Dec 11, 2003 at 11:18 AM
For those who are on a tight budget like us who want to enjoy home theatre sound, Sakura avr can be something good to start with.  I am using Sakura AV-377 in my bedroom theatre set-up and i believe that it sounds good for a Php 3.5k receiver.  However, for stereo (music) listening, all i can say is it's not that good and the built-in tuner's performance is wanting. It's good i have a separate stereo system in the sala.
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: 88888888 on Dec 12, 2003 at 01:13 AM
many mentioned the AV-377...ano ang kaibahan nya sa AV-389? what about the AV-5023? anyone heard or have seen this?
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: rogie on Dec 12, 2003 at 11:12 AM
any pics of this sakura amps.... :)
Title: Sakura 327
Post by: DaiHarD on Feb 06, 2004 at 06:44 PM
Have anyone tried this any feedback?

What are the differences of these models
Sakura 327
Sakura 377
Sakura 387
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: DaiHarD on Feb 06, 2004 at 06:53 PM
are this sakura amps using PMPO or RMS?

I inquire in raon, some say its RMS some PMPO ????

Which one is correct? Do any of you have contact number of Sakura distributor or service center? Thanks
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: av_phile1 on Feb 07, 2004 at 12:23 PM
Check the user manual's technical specification.  Even if they advertise in PMPO, they usually state the RMS in this section, whether across the entire 20 Khz bandwidth or just at 1 Khz.  
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: torque on Feb 09, 2004 at 08:47 AM
are this sakura amps using PMPO or RMS?


as per manual's spec it is in PMPO.
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: Philander on Feb 09, 2004 at 08:55 AM
Sakura Amps power ratings are RMS.
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: torque on Feb 09, 2004 at 10:17 AM
Here is the spec from Sakura AV-377

Main channel (PMPO) - 250W+250W
Speaker impedance   - 4 to 16 ohms
Center channel (PMPO) - 50W
Speaker impedance   - 8 to 16 ohms
Surround (PMPO) - 50W+50W
Speaker impedance - 8 to 16 ohms
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: DaiHarD on Feb 09, 2004 at 03:46 PM
I just bought Sakura AV-327 yesterday, its cheaper than 377 & 388 but no tuner.

The sound was good except my front speakers, when I turn the amp on it will automatically adjust the volume to 28 and I can only hear sounds when I volume it up to 34. The maximum volume was 64.


How about you guys on what volume are you using on your front sakura speakers?
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: positive_noise on Feb 09, 2004 at 08:13 PM
Mga Bro,

siguro depende sa revision ng manual ninyo... may PMPO at may RMS! ;D

tsik!-tsik! ;D ;D ;D


positive-noise. ;)
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: mojako on Feb 10, 2004 at 08:47 PM
weird, pero I have the same experience with my AV-377.  Ang panget ng sound pag audio (stereo).. or thats because of the generic DVD player im using.  I tried a branded discman connected by stereo RCA's to the sakura and maganda yung sound.
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: PenoyDVD on Feb 13, 2004 at 09:05 AM
I just bought Sakura AV-327 yesterday, its cheaper than 377 & 388 but no tuner.

The sound was good except my front speakers, when I turn the amp on it will automatically adjust the volume to 28 and I can only hear sounds when I volume it up to 34. The maximum volume was 64.

pre ok ba ang sakura mo??? ano ang player gamit mo??? at speaker??? balak ko kasing bumili,meron na akong Kebao 6089 player

How about you guys on what volume are you using on your front sakura speakers?
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: arthurallanj on Feb 13, 2004 at 02:33 PM
Hello po. I have a Sakura AV1600. I bought it 3 or 4 years ago, it's still ok. The ProLogic decoder is legit. Dolby has licensed it. The DSPs are working too. So far, I've only seen 2 Sakuras that have legit ProLogic. AV1600 and AV1800. I've been told, and have seen on catalogues, that there are other models that are Dolby licensed, although, as I've said, I've only seen, tested, and installed those 2. I like to listen to my audio cds on this amplifier in ProLogic mode coz it seems to generate a wider soundspace for audio cds, I personally think it sounds better than my Yamaha DSP-AX430 in ProLogic II. So, to answer your question, for their price (mine was 3.5K), it's a great amp for the not-so-rich home theater enthusiast. Now, the 5.1 channel input at the back, you'd have to have a DVD player with a built in DD & DTS decoder, and you'd have to switch your dvd to 5.1 mode, that's the purpose of the 5.1 input. Being able to enjoy dvds without buying a digital amp. Note that I said DD & DTS decoder, because I installed another AV1600 for a friend using a Xenon DVD player, w/c only has a DD decoder, not a DTS decoder, so the movie goes silent when we switch the audio to DTS mode, while mine decodes both so... my advantage there. Another note, the AV1600 is better than the AV1800, although the latter has more inputs and switches for speakers A & B, the surround volume in 5.1 mode is not loud enough even at max. My friend and I had to buy a separate 2 ch amp to amplify the surround channel. Although, I don't think the AV1600 is still available. I think they stopped making it. Sad, coz it was one of their finest, at least in my opinion. Hope this helps you guys, TC.
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: Philander on Feb 13, 2004 at 02:42 PM
arthurallanj,

Yan din ang gamit ko before, problem lang is mono ang rear surround (as prologic is 4.1). But the sound is great and very powerful especially in stereo/phanthom mode.

Decent looking pa.
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: arthurallanj on Feb 13, 2004 at 03:11 PM
Pareng Philander,
question lang, prologic is indeed 4.1 naman talaga d b? unlike prologic II, and since this is just a prologic amp, it does have mono surround, but if you use it for dvd using the 5.1 input, discrete talaga ang right surround from the left surround. I've tested it kc with the SWAT dvd and the gunfire sounds on both surround channels were really indepent from each other, not mono. Clarification lang. Thank you pare, ha?
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: DaiHarD on Feb 13, 2004 at 03:25 PM
Quote

pre ok ba ang sakura mo??? ano ang player gamit mo??? at speaker??? balak ko kasing bumili,meron na akong Kebao 6089 player


@penoydvd,

So far ok naman sakura ko, yung front speakers lang pinoproblema ko kailangan kong ivolume up to 34 bago lalabas ang sounds.

Cheap setup lang ako

Player ko Hanabishi (bought last Oct. 2002)
Front (Rongxin Tower)
Center (custom built by myself, speakers from car)
Rear ( Old sony speakers)
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: Philander on Feb 13, 2004 at 03:29 PM
Pareng Philander,
question lang, prologic is indeed 4.1 naman talaga d b? unlike prologic II, and since this is just a prologic amp, it does have mono surround, but if you use it for dvd using the 5.1 input, discrete talaga ang right surround from the left surround. I've tested it kc with the SWAT dvd and the gunfire sounds on both surround channels were really indepent from each other, not mono. Clarification lang. Thank you pare, ha?

Yes ProLogic is indeed 4.1. But may mga pro logic amplifier na hindi mono ang surround even in some Sakura models.

With the case of AV1600 as I've used before, mono ang surround channel sa 5.1 analog input. I tested na magconnect lang sa isang surround channel (for example left surround) both surrounds speakers (lef and right) are working.

Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: johndoe on Feb 13, 2004 at 07:00 PM
would you recommend a stereo amp of this brand?
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: ultraman on Feb 14, 2004 at 02:58 AM
Mga Bro,
        Tanong lang po,,, what is the difference between rms and pmpo? ;D Bago lang po kasi ako sa mundo ninyo. ;D tnx....
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: Philander on Feb 14, 2004 at 03:18 AM
would you recommend a stereo amp of this brand?

I will choose Konzert Stereo amp over sakura stereo amp. For multi-channel, I'll choose Sakura.
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: Philander on Feb 14, 2004 at 03:28 AM
Mga Bro,
        Tanong lang po,,, what is the difference between rms and pmpo? ;D Bago lang po kasi ako sa mundo ninyo. ;D tnx....

RMS - Root mean square - avearge power that amplifier can output. Average amount of power over one complete cycle of the time-varying signal.

PMPO - Peak Music Power Output - Purely Marketing Power Output Hype that implies rating of the peak power capacity of amplifiers . This power figure tells the power which the amplifier can maximally supply in some conditions (very short period of time).

For info here:
http://www.epanorama.net/documents/audio/amplifier_power.html
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: ultraman on Feb 14, 2004 at 03:42 AM
Philander,
     tnx for the reply.. just finished browsing the pmpo thread and find out that pmpo is definitely isdapeyk hehehe... ;D
     
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: arthurallanj on Feb 16, 2004 at 09:31 AM
Yes ProLogic is indeed 4.1. But may mga pro logic amplifier na hindi mono ang surround even in some Sakura models.

With the case of AV1600 as I've used before, mono ang surround channel sa 5.1 analog input. I tested na magconnect lang sa isang surround channel (for example left surround) both surrounds speakers (lef and right) are working.


Sir Philander,
I haven't tried doing what you did with your sakura av1600, subukan ko mamya. But the only proof I have is watching DVDs that have discrete signals on the left and right surrounds, like the SWAT movie I mentioned, kasi nagulat nga ako e, kasi that was the first time I heard both surrounds working independently from each other, the scene was about some thugs trying to help the suspect escape, but was foiled because that escort was just a decoy. Yung tunog ng gunfire was really coming only from one surround channel, then nag transfer on the other. But anyway, mg-e-experiment ako mamya to confirm. Thanks mga pare, I'm so glad n nagparegister ako dito sa PinoyDVD, ang dami kong natututunan.
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: arthurallanj on Feb 16, 2004 at 09:56 AM
would you recommend a stereo amp of this brand?
Bro Johndoe,
my answer to your question would be, it depends on your budget, kasi we all know that iba naman talaga ang quality ng china made products sa mga japanese branded products, d b? but, sakura also has "higher-end" line naman e. I even saw a sakura 5 channel amp once(no decoder, though), ang ganda ng itsura, akala ko nga major brand e, and when the guys from the store auditioned, ang ganda din e. Sakura is actually one of the good ones when it comes to the least expensive amps. You just have to choose carefully which model to buy. I have the AV1600, installed 2 with friends, and installed 1 AV1800, ok naman sya considering the price, esp. when used with good but fairly priced speakers like daiichis, and these two are Dolby ProLogic licensed. Binibili nga sa akin for 7T e, ayaw ko, kasi  I think they stopped making it. I bought mine for only 3.5K. And what I like about it most, is it has some sort of a speaker protection system, kasi when one speaker clips, automatically off yung audio, you'd have to turn off the power to kinda "reset" it. In closing, worth naman ang igagastos mo if you'd buy one of their amps. TC.
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: Philander on Feb 16, 2004 at 10:41 AM
I agree, solid ang sound ng SAKURA. My former AV 1600 proves it. It even uses toroidal transformer. Ginamit ko pa minsan sa party (open area), kayang ipower ang 2 huge mobile loudspeakers. Hindi nagdidistort even at high volumes.

And yes, di lahat ng SAKURA models ay matino, meron ding tunong lata at madaling masira.


arthurallanj,
7K for AV1600? Wala na ba talagang available sa Raon? Binenta ko lang ng mga 2.8K yung akin dati... nakapanghihinayang... anyway sa taga pinoyDvd rin naman, di ko matandaan yung username nya.

Kuha ko dun dati is 3325, may 5% discount kasi.

Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: Yakuini on Feb 16, 2004 at 11:23 AM
I agree, solid ang sound ng SAKURA.


Agree din ako dyan!!!  :)

Sakura din amp ko...5 channel amp (no tuner) with Remote. Separate Volume control for Center, LS, RS and Front.

Toroidal Transformer din ang gamit and medyo magibat. Nakalimutan ko lang kung ano model number.

Paired the amp with DTX Slim series tower and center and I am very satisfied with it.

At 9'oclock volume, it will pump your chest even if you are 8 to 9 feet away from the speakers ;D ;D (experienced this while watching Bad Boys II)

Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: Dirk_Diggler on Feb 16, 2004 at 11:55 AM
i'm also a happy owner of a sakura av amp and dtx combo :D maganda sya tumunog, tried it with my DMB/Bob Marley/ cd's and verry happy sa sound nya. i'm thinking kung kukuha pako ng subs (another budget sub : the DQ12 :D)for my system kse maliit lang yung room ko and i'm quite satisfied.
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: arthurallanj on Feb 16, 2004 at 12:22 PM
Sir Philander,
wala na ata e. kasi naglibot na rin ako dyan s raon e. ang natira n lang AV1800, mahina nga lang ang surround pag nasa 5.1 mode, d pa toroidal ang transformer. Even though it's Dolby Licensed. Naghahanap pa nga ako ng mapagbibilhan nun e, kasi may mga kaibigan din ako n gustong magpa-set up on a budget. As long as may on-board decoder ang dvd player mo, the Sakura AV1600 will provide you with what you need for an entry level Home Theater. Start kaya ako ng forum for a Sakura AV1600 search? he he. TC bro.
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: torque on Feb 16, 2004 at 03:53 PM
Yakuini,Dirk_Diggler,

dami na pala tayong naka Sakura-DTX Slim combo ;D

Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: Dirk_Diggler on Feb 16, 2004 at 04:53 PM
torque'

oo nga tsong dami na natin :D pagod nga lang ako pag bili ko last sunday at ang bigat pala nitong floorstander ng dai-ichi (purchased ko sya sa GETZ @ Raon shopping center) pero pag karinig ko ng sound sa bahay... haaayyy tanggal pagod ko. hehehehe btw ano nga pala center and sorrounds gamit mo?
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: av_phile1 on Feb 16, 2004 at 05:40 PM
The other week, I wandered into an electronics shop here at Sucat.  They sell mostly Sakura components.  Almost tempted to get the Sakura AM/FM tuner for 2.4T with remote control.  I wanted the Pinoeer tuner I saw at SM applaince selling for 8T pero walalng remote.  Anyway, tuner lang naman, why get an expensive one.  Any comment from users of a Sakura tuner?

Then I saw this huge Sakura 2-channel power amp that looks solid ala Rotel except that it has a display and is touch controllable.  250 watts daw.  Selling for only 3.6T.  My target is really a Rotel RMB1066 6-channel power amp costing 32T.  But if this Sakura amo is any good, am tempted to get three stereo units to connect to my multi channel Rotel preamp/processor. Problem is they only have one in stock.  Masarp lang pag-experimentohan. Just to compare how a cheap 250 watt Sakura  would stand against a 60 watt Rotel.   What do you think.  
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: arthurallanj on Feb 17, 2004 at 09:05 AM
i'm also a happy owner of a sakura av amp and dtx combo :D maganda sya tumunog, tried it with my DMB/Bob Marley/ cd's and verry happy sa sound nya. i'm thinking kung kukuha pako ng subs (another budget sub : the DQ12 :D)for my system kse maliit lang yung room ko and i'm quite satisfied.
pareng dirk,
if you're on a budget, try mo kaya ang Daiichi ASW-10DR, 4250 lng, sa MosesAaron sa Raon, grabe, ang lakas, up to 300 hz pa ang freq. resp., match pa sa Sakura mo kasi 2 ch ang bass output (the 10DR has 2 ch input), sorry po sir moderator, medyo out of topic.
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: Yakuini on Feb 17, 2004 at 09:09 AM
torque'

oo nga tsong dami na natin :D pagod nga lang ako pag bili ko last sunday at ang bigat pala nitong floorstander ng dai-ichi (purchased ko sya sa GETZ @ Raon shopping center) pero pag karinig ko ng sound sa bahay... haaayyy tanggal pagod ko. hehehehe btw ano nga pala center and sorrounds gamit mo?


Dirkdigger, magkano pala kuha mo sa DTX Tower mo? Tnx.

DTX Center and SONY bookshelf pala ang surround ko kahit di mo tinatanong :)

Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: arthurallanj on Feb 17, 2004 at 09:42 AM
Sir Philander,
I tried on my sakura what you did with your sakura, the same thing happened, I wish the dvd player I have in my room had a test tone of its own so I can really put my case to rest (I'm gonna try that over at my friend's). But I guess you're right, it does have a mono amp for the surround channels. I kinda look at my Sakura AV1600 differently now. I kinda lost a bit of love for it. But anyway, ok lang po. Sa kwarto ko lng naman sya e. But could you give me a Sakura model that has Dolby Prologic certification and has 2 ch amps for the surround channel? Thanks and Good day po.
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: juneaki on Feb 17, 2004 at 09:56 AM
My AV-377 is really a true 5.1 ready AVR. Meron syang separate control para sa center,left at right surround.
I had tested it with my Philips DVD player na may test tone at talaga hiwalay ang tunog ng lahat ng channels.
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: Philander on Feb 17, 2004 at 10:37 AM
Sir Philander,
I tried on my sakura what you did with your sakura, the same thing happened, I wish the dvd player I have in my room had a test tone of its own so I can really put my case to rest (I'm gonna try that over at my friend's). But I guess you're right, it does have a mono amp for the surround channels. I kinda look at my Sakura AV1600 differently now. I kinda lost a bit of love for it. But anyway, ok lang po. Sa kwarto ko lng naman sya e. But could you give me a Sakura model that has Dolby Prologic certification and has 2 ch amps for the surround channel? Thanks and Good day po.

Ey dont despair. Its okay. You said before na it sounds like it is not mono, that is because maganda ang imaging ng sakura even at mono, narerecreate yun parang stereo since wala ka namang nawawalang signal dahil parehas mo namang nainput ang surround channels, though naging mono lang ang output but still maganda ang representation and distribution ng sound because of imaging.


Di na ako madalas mag titingin ng mga Sakura models, before I even have brochures maybe you can go to Raon and ask for the Prologic certified models.
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: Philander on Feb 17, 2004 at 10:39 AM
My AV-377 is really a true 5.1 ready AVR. Meron syang separate control para sa center,left at right surround.
I had tested it with my Philips DVD player na may test tone at talaga hiwalay ang tunog ng lahat ng channels.

Does Sakura AV377 has Dolby Prologic?
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: juneaki on Feb 17, 2004 at 10:49 AM
It has 5 channel and 3 channel logic also.
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: av_phile1 on Feb 17, 2004 at 11:46 AM
I read on the net that many china-made components are cheap because they don't pay the licenses for such copyright owners as Dolby and DTS.  I think the licenses alone cost about $30 per equipment that carries the Dolby  logo.  With its very low comercial price tags, I doubt if Sakura pays such licenses to have real Dolby processing circuits in its AV gears.  Hope I'm wrong.  
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: Philander on Feb 17, 2004 at 11:53 AM
Even if they dont pay, i think it doesnt mean that they are not implementing proper sound decoding/processing.

With the naked eye, you can see DOLBY chipset/IC installed in the SAKURA amplifier.
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: arthurallanj on Feb 17, 2004 at 12:25 PM
Sir av_phile,
sa pagkakaalam ko po, they only license some of their amp models, and that's very few, certain ako na licensed yung AV1800 and AV1600, even by just looking at the faceplate, maganda talaga, parang branded talaga, and it even has a note at the back panel regarding the license, and I've opened both din, kahit nga sarado, ang prologic chip is really there. This is a bit of my secret, I removed the sakura logo and changed it with the Panasonic logo, none of my HT fan friends thought it was a sakura, he he. But andami din ng sakura na pangit talaga.
Pareng juneaki,
does the av377 look as good as branded amps? or obvious ba na china made? May tuner b? and I really wanna find out if ang Dolby Prologic nya is as authentic like the two I've mentioned. Thanks pare ha?
Sir Philander,
thanks for the sympathy, man. I still don't plan to dispose of it.
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: av_phile1 on Feb 17, 2004 at 01:17 PM
Good to know there are Sakura models that have real Dolby chips in them.  
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: juneaki on Feb 17, 2004 at 01:17 PM
Bro, yung av377 ko ay color black at comparable na rin ang casing nya sa mga branded. And yes, may built-in tuner na sya kaya lang ang remote ay talagang sa unang tingin pa lang ay halatang made in china.
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: Dirk_Diggler on Feb 17, 2004 at 01:33 PM
@arthurallanj

pre salamat sa suggestion i'll check it out next time na pumunta ako raon. :)

@Yakuini

i got my dtx floorstander for Php3,800. kmusta naman performance ng DTX center mo? ayos ba tunog? balak ko rin DTX center na rin kunin ko pati yung sorrounds nya.
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: Dirk_Diggler on Feb 17, 2004 at 01:34 PM
ask ko lang ano ba difference ng AV-377 sa AV-387 model ng sakura?
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: Yakuini on Feb 17, 2004 at 01:43 PM

@Yakuini

i got my dtx floorstander for Php3,800. kmusta naman performance ng DTX center mo? ayos ba tunog? balak ko rin DTX center na rin kunin ko pati yung sorrounds nya.

So far so good ang Center speaker ko. Before medyo malakas yung high, matining kumbaga. Pero habang tumatagal gumaganda sya at hindi na stressful sa tenga.

My wife who does not even give a d*mn care about my HT appreciated the sounds for the first time nung binili ko sya ng Sound of Music DVD (her all time favorite)

Ang linis daw ng tunog and parang nasa harap nya mismo si Julie Andrews pag kumakanta sya...heaven ang feeling pre pag naa-appreciate ni kumander and HT setup natin!  ;D
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: kimpOy on Feb 17, 2004 at 02:01 PM
fruits of your labor pards!

try mo i bi-wire ang DTXs mo or palitan mo yung thin copper jumper ng speaker wire

teka OT na ito.
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: Dirk_Diggler on Feb 17, 2004 at 03:03 PM
@Yakuini
Quote
Ang linis daw ng tunog and parang nasa harap nya mismo si Julie Andrews pag kumakanta sya...heaven ang feeling pre pag naa-appreciate ni kumander and HT setup natin!  

totoo tsong my girlfriend likes (very much) the sound of my budget HT, though kulang pa sya (i'm using old kenwood speakers as sorround btw)... medyo acceptable na tunog nya :) and she loves watching norah jones dvd.

@kimp0y

tsong pinalitan ko speaker wires (DIY) ko using cat5e UTP's and mas nag-improve nga yung sound nya. :D
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: torque on Feb 17, 2004 at 06:18 PM
torque'

oo nga tsong dami na natin :D pagod nga lang ako pag bili ko last sunday at ang bigat pala nitong floorstander ng dai-ichi (purchased ko sya sa GETZ @ Raon shopping center) pero pag karinig ko ng sound sa bahay... haaayyy tanggal pagod ko. hehehehe btw ano nga pala center and sorrounds gamit mo?

Dirk_Diggler,
pards dtx center and cambridge satellite speakers for surround.  :)

Yakuini,
nice to hear that your wife appreciate your HT set-up.  ;D

kimp0y,
thanks pare sa advise mo na mag bi-wire, nag improve nga ang sound. nakabili ka na ba ng speaker spikes? tuloy ka ba sa upgrade mo MS?MA?AE? ... ;)

Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: arthurallanj on Feb 18, 2004 at 08:28 AM
Bro, yung av377 ko ay color black at comparable na rin ang casing nya sa mga branded. And yes, may built-in tuner na sya kaya lang ang remote ay talagang sa unang tingin pa lang ay halatang made in china.
Bro juneaki,
magkano kuha mo nyan? Saan? Ganun din naman ang remote ng AV1600 ko e, ganda nga ng itsura pero pangit ng remote. May DSP modes din b sya? Pare, thank you ha? Ingat.
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: kimpOy on Feb 18, 2004 at 09:25 AM
Dirk_Diggler (nice name pare)
audiopro (14g) parin ang wires ko
pero naka biwire ako pati center
im eyeing an ecosse 2.3 soon ipon muna ako

Torque,
wala pa nga akong speaker spikes pero nakapatong sa isang rubber pad yung speakers,
about the upgrade, hindi pa, kuntento naman ako sa DTX, nilagyan nga ng kung ano ano ng anak ko yung baffles eh, nakuuuu buti na lang mura lang ang DTX he..he

OT na ito dapat sa dai-ichi thread ito he..he
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: Dirk_Diggler on Feb 18, 2004 at 10:32 AM
@kimp0y,

saan and how much mo nabili yung audiopro cables mo?

@torque

ok ba talaga DTX center speakers? planning to get one ngayong weekend e. :)

OT na nga tayo mga tsong dapat sa dai-ichi thread na to. hehe
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: juneaki on Feb 18, 2004 at 10:53 AM
arthurallanj,

i bought my av377 five months ago for php 3.7k sa raon. initially ang presyo nila ay php 4.2 natawaran lang. oo, may mga preset surround modes din sya. discontinued na daw ang av377 at ang kapalit ay av387. i dont know pero may mga added features daw.
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: kimpOy on Feb 18, 2004 at 10:57 AM
dirk mura lang ang audiopro gauge12 55 pesos lang per meter.


kahit saan meron yan, kahit sa listening group meron.
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: johndoe on Feb 18, 2004 at 06:37 PM
My AV-377 is really a true 5.1 ready AVR. Meron syang separate control para sa center,left at right surround.
I had tested it with my Philips DVD player na may test tone at talaga hiwalay ang tunog ng lahat ng channels.
ilang watts rms ito?..ok ba ung interface? wala kasing site ung sakura ::)
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: DaiHarD on Feb 18, 2004 at 06:38 PM
250 + 250 pmpo  8)
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: johndoe on Feb 18, 2004 at 06:41 PM
250 + 250 pmpo  8)
how about its surround and center channels?and the faceplate ok ba?..
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: arthurallanj on Feb 19, 2004 at 08:55 AM
@kimp0y,

saan and how much mo nabili yung audiopro cables mo?

@torque

ok ba talaga DTX center speakers? planning to get one ngayong weekend e. :)

OT na nga tayo mga tsong dapat sa dai-ichi thread na to. hehe
Mra Bro,
dagdagan ko pa ang OT natin, I just love my DTX 9.5 Towers and Center Channel. I think you will too. Sorry po sir moderator. Daiichi speakers thread, anyone? He he he rin.
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: H a n $ on Feb 19, 2004 at 09:22 AM
Guys,

Suggestion naman a friend of mine is looking for Sakura amp what models ang ok..
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: av_phile1 on Feb 19, 2004 at 10:00 AM
Stereo power amps?  Or integrated  stereo amps?
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: kimpOy on Feb 19, 2004 at 10:08 AM
Mra Bro,
dagdagan ko pa ang OT natin, I just love my DTX 9.5 Towers and Center Channel. I think you will too. Sorry po sir moderator. Daiichi speakers thread, anyone? He he he rin.


actually meron na

http://www.pinoydvd.com/yabbse/index.php?board=10;action=display;threadid=1677

17 pages na ito
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: Yakuini on Feb 19, 2004 at 10:55 AM
actually meron na

http://www.pinoydvd.com/yabbse/index.php?board=10;action=display;threadid=1677

17 pages na ito

Yeap, meron na nga. And if you go there, you will see my post regarding DTX tower na parang galing yung concept nya sa Tannoy Mercury MX4m.

Same driver and crossover...magkaiba lang position ng tweeter nila  ;D
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: H a n $ on Feb 19, 2004 at 11:06 AM
av_phile,

Sir integrated ata pero pwede din yun 5.1 amp kung meron..
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: arthurallanj on Feb 19, 2004 at 11:17 AM
av_phile,

Sir integrated ata pero pwede din yun 5.1 amp kung meron..
Bro,
I suggest you really take the time to shop around for it, andami kasing models e, I've seen this 5 ch amp in gold from sakura, it was a pull-out type amp, it didn't have a decoder/processor though, but if you're dvd player has DD/DTS decoders and a Dolby ProLogic processor(for 2 ch sources), you wouldn't need it, parang branded, and ang lakas. Marami silang maganda, at marami ding panget. So start hunting. Any Sakura amp above the 3K/3.5K mark seem to be great. TC.
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: torque on Feb 19, 2004 at 11:57 AM
@kimp0y,

saan and how much mo nabili yung audiopro cables mo?

@torque

ok ba talaga DTX center speakers? planning to get one ngayong weekend e. :)

OT na nga tayo mga tsong dapat sa dai-ichi thread na to. hehe

Dirk,
ok ang dtx center, sabi nga ni kimp0y and Yakuini kailangan lang break-in. audition mo rin para makilatis mo.  

to sakura 5.1 amp owners, ginagamit nyo ba ang S. Bass...
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: arthurallanj on Feb 19, 2004 at 12:27 PM
Dirk,
ok ang dtx center, sabi nga ni kimp0y and Yakuini kailangan lang break-in. audition mo rin para makilatis mo.  

to sakura 5.1 amp owners, ginagamit nyo ba ang S. Bass...

I'm another Daiichi product die hard, kc they make great products for mere HT mortals like me.
Yup, I've tried using the bass out of my Sakura, ok naman e, why natanong mo bro?
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: Yakuini on Feb 19, 2004 at 12:35 PM
OT: Open ba mga stores sa Raon every Sunday? Plano ko kasing bumili ng isa pang Sakura for my father e.

Nainggit father ko sa setup ko kaya nagpapabili din. Rongxin lang sana initial plan namin sa kanya pero nung makita nya setup ko, gusto na rin nya ng Sakura+DTX combo :)

Ano magandang modelo ngayon ng Sakura na nasa 3.5K range?

Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: arthurallanj on Feb 19, 2004 at 12:55 PM
OT: Open ba mga stores sa Raon every Sunday? Plano ko kasing bumili ng isa pang Sakura for my father e.

Nainggit father ko sa setup ko kaya nagpapabili din. Rongxin lang sana initial plan namin sa kanya pero nung makita nya setup ko, gusto na rin nya ng Sakura+DTX combo :)

Ano magandang modelo ngayon ng Sakura na nasa 3.5K range?


most stores are open on Sundays, but marami ding stores na closed, esp. the good ones, like The Daiichi Showroom for one, Moses Aaron for another (the cheapest dealer of Daiichi products that I know of), and iba pa, so sayang din di ba? As for the Sakura amp, try mo yung suggestion ni juneaki na AV377 or AV387, kasi I'd recommend the AV1600 but discontinued na rin ata. Or, you could buy one of Sakura's 5 ch higher end models, so that better ang amplification, just make sure the DVD player you buy has DD/DTS decoding and Dolby ProLogic processing (for 2ch sources). Happy Hunting!
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: torque on Feb 19, 2004 at 05:33 PM
I'm another Daiichi product die hard, kc they make great products for mere HT mortals like me.
Yup, I've tried using the bass out of my Sakura, ok naman e, why natanong mo bro?

arthurallanj,
bro i just notice that the S.Bass feature (remote button) of Sakura is like the function of Large/Small speaker setting found on the branded receiver. if you turn-on the S.Bass all low signal  is redirected to the front speakers (i think). i don't have a sub woofer so if I want to shake the house I turn-on the S.Bass

saan nga pala yung shop ni Moses Aaron...
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: arthurallanj on Feb 20, 2004 at 09:19 AM
arthurallanj,
bro i just notice that the S.Bass feature (remote button) of Sakura is like the function of Large/Small speaker setting found on the branded receiver. if you turn-on the S.Bass all low signal  is redirected to the front speakers (i think). i don't have a sub woofer so if I want to shake the house I turn-on the S.Bass

saan nga pala yung shop ni Moses Aaron...
Bro torque,
Anong model yang sakura mo? Kasi I thought you meant line level Bass Out sa likod ng unit. That is what you should use for your subwoofer if you have one. I didn't think you meant it as a function of your amp. My amp doesn't have this function, it only has the LOUD function that increases both bass and treble. Actually, I think your amp doesn't really redirect the bass signal, like usual Super Bass functions, it probably just increases the bass significantly, but also probably more so to your main(front) speakers because of their capacity to handle it. And to my knowledge, the main speaker channels of sakuras usually have higher power than the other channels. And the setting Large/Small for branded amps usually just limit the lower frequency cut off so that your speakers can handle the signal. Its entirely different from another function that some branded amps like my Yamaha DSP-AX430 has, it allows you to send all bass signals to either just the main channels, just the sub, or both. This is the only function that really redirects the bass signal, not the S. Bass. But I couldn't seem to understand what your problem is with it. Although, if you're contemplating on buying a powered sub, I'm all for it, kasi, as the name implies, the sub can reproduce signals lower than usual woofers that fronts usually have, so the advantages would be, you'd have better bass, the amp wouldn't be that stressed therefore increasing its life, and your main speakers wouldn't be that overworked, too. TC.
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: arthurallanj on Feb 20, 2004 at 09:45 AM
bro torque,
ang MosesAaron nga pala is the name of the store, it's exactly along raon st., maliit lang yun, malapit na sya sa may papuntang LRT. Bukas bigay ko sa yo exact address at phone, kasi may resibo pa ako nun e, nasa bahay nga lang. Look for Mike, mabait at honest yun, he's also an audio enthusiast. Tell him na rin lang that Arthur of bacolod reffered you to him so you could get the additional 5% discount, he he. Ingat pare.
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: DaiHarD on Feb 20, 2004 at 01:09 PM
Quote
My amp doesn't have this function, it only has the LOUD function that increases both bass and treble.

@arthurallanj,
bro anong model ng sakura mo? ganun din akin loud function lang mine is AR-327
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: arthurallanj on Feb 20, 2004 at 01:18 PM
@arthurallanj,
bro anong model ng sakura mo? ganun din akin loud function lang mine is AR-327
AV-1600. ang ganda nga ng performance and looks e, I replaced the sakura logo with a Panasonic logo, and nobody would guess it's made in china unless I tell them, kaya lang, I recently found out that the surround channels are driven only by a mono amp. Pero I still love it. Okay din naman sya kasi Dolby ProLogic sya talaga na legit at may 5.1 dvd input din.:)
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: bal_listic on Feb 20, 2004 at 05:21 PM
Hi! Anybody know the specs of Sakura ampli SAV-997R? Im planning to sell it kc but no mnual so hard to place ad.

Thanks!


Pls. contact me at 0919-5927124 (pls include return landline number when texting), I'm seriously interested in your unit.  Thank you.


Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: Yakuini on Feb 22, 2004 at 01:02 PM
Sa mga Sakura owners dyan,

Meron bang indicator yung Center, LS/RS volume controls nyo para malaman kung gaano na kalakas or kahina yung volume? Yung sa akin kasi wala eh.

Push button sila (-/+) and wala syang indicator sa screen kung ano current volume settings nila kaya ang hirap mag adjust sa volume nila :( Big inconvenience IMO.

Also, I now feel the lack of power ng Sakura sa center channel, nahihirapan syang i-drive and DTX Center. Pag nilalakasan ko sya me naririnig akong konting garalgal. 35Watts lang power ng Center and Rear ng Sakura ko e.
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: arthurallanj on Feb 22, 2004 at 01:49 PM
Sa mga Sakura owners dyan,

Meron bang indicator yung Center, LS/RS volume controls nyo para malaman kung gaano na kalakas or kahina yung volume? Yung sa akin kasi wala eh.

Push button sila (-/+) and wala syang indicator sa screen kung ano current volume settings nila kaya ang hirap mag adjust sa volume nila :( Big inconvenience IMO.

Also, I now feel the lack of power ng Sakura sa center channel, nahihirapan syang i-drive and DTX Center. Pag nilalakasan ko sya me naririnig akong konting garalgal. 35Watts lang power ng Center and Rear ng Sakura ko e.

Bro,
anong model yang sa yo?
sa akin may volume level indicator ang center and surround, maliit din lang ang power e, pero okay na din lang sya kasi naki-clip nya nga noong ginamit sa party e, namamatay tuloy ang amp. At medyo malaki nga ang center mo para sa ganyang power lang. What I use as acenter for my sakura av1600 (45W for center channel) is a US Audio 10CC (35W) kaya kayangkaya nya. :)
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: Yakuini on Feb 22, 2004 at 02:02 PM
Bro,
anong model yang sa yo?
sa akin may volume level indicator ang center and surround, maliit din lang ang power e, pero okay na din lang sya kasi naki-clip nya nga noong ginamit sa party e, namamatay tuloy ang amp. At medyo malaki nga ang center mo para sa ganyang power lang. What I use as acenter for my sakura av1600 (45W for center channel) is a US Audio 10CC (35W) kaya kayangkaya nya. :)

Nakalimutan ko yung model number eh pero luma na ito...Baka isa ito sa mga naunang 5 channel amp ng Sakura..Ala syang tuner. 300x2 and 35x3 yung power rating nya sa manual....tagal na nito e.

Anyway, planning to upgrade to Yammy 440 naman soon e :)
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: DaiHarD on Feb 22, 2004 at 03:55 PM
@yakuini,
  wala bang nakasulat sa faceplate ng sakura mo yung model? mine isa AV-327 FL/FR push button then center and surround de ikot sya. Nasa 7 or 8 o' clock lang parati ang center and surround ko dahil malakas na sobra kulang nga lang sa bass ang center and surround.



guys,
sa inyo ba may control ng bass and center and surround nyo? parang kulang sa bilog kasi ang mga effects eh hehehe
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: juneaki on Feb 23, 2004 at 10:06 AM
Yung AV 377/387, may separate control sa left surround, right surround at center na nsa remote, but you can see sa display na nasa faceplate na talaga independently ay naa-adjust ang volume. Ang AV 377 ay 250 X 2 fronts at 50 X 3 center and surrounds.
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: Maki on Feb 26, 2004 at 05:51 PM
veverify ko lang kung kasama sa "master" volume control yung volumem ng subout nito pag gagamitan ko ng active sub.. thanks...

kasi im contemplating between konzert av500r and the sakura 377 or 387..

i've heard that the konzert doesnt have seperate volume controls for the surround and center, but if it has the sub volume control, then i'll perfer this (konzert) over the sakura, but if the sakura has the control, then i'll prolly get this instead... ano nga din pala mas malakas ang ratings? (specifically the mains) im gonna use it to drive towers that has a passive sub na 10" built in each, so the higher the power the better..thanks
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: arthurallanj on Feb 28, 2004 at 10:12 AM
Mga bro,
my av1600 has controls for bass, treble, center, and surround volume, and of course main, but none for the sub out, but I don't think that's neccessary if you're gonna use an active sub. Line level outs usually don't have volume controls naman e.
Pareng Maki,
I haven't auditioned out Konzert amps, and they seem decent, but does your DVD player have a built in Dolby prologic processor? Kasi if it doesn't, you might want the Sakura na lang 'coz I havent seen any Konzert amps na may prologic, and we all know you need it for 2ch sources.
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: Maki on Feb 28, 2004 at 10:50 AM
yes, my player has decoder for dts and dd, and analog outs na 5.1, isn;t it a hassle na nde kasama sa main volume control yung level ng sub? kasi shempre if i increase the volume and the sub doesnt increase with the master volume, i have to adjust and fine tune the sub wrt to the "master volume" of the avr, or i might be wrong though..=)
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: arthurallanj on Feb 28, 2004 at 10:55 AM
arthurallanj,
bro i just notice that the S.Bass feature (remote button) of Sakura is like the function of Large/Small speaker setting found on the branded receiver. if you turn-on the S.Bass all low signal  is redirected to the front speakers (i think). i don't have a sub woofer so if I want to shake the house I turn-on the S.Bass

saan nga pala yung shop ni Moses Aaron...
Bro,
sorry medyo natagalan ang exact address ha? I had a problem with logging on kasi e. Moses Aaron is located at 623 G. Puyat st., Quiapo. Tel. no. 735-4390. TC.
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: arthurallanj on Feb 28, 2004 at 11:08 AM
yes, my player has decoder for dts and dd, and analog outs na 5.1, isn;t it a hassle na nde kasama sa main volume control yung level ng sub? kasi shempre if i increase the volume and the sub doesnt increase with the master volume, i have to adjust and fine tune the sub wrt to the "master volume" of the avr, or i might be wrong though..=)
Bro,
I meant Dolby ProLogic, you're gonna need it for 2 ch audio sources, like cd's or vcd's. Meron kasing DVD players na may DD/DTS decoder but walang Pro Logic. Why don't you check? And based on my experience, I think it's much easier to tune your system when your sub is totally independent. I have a Yamaha DSP-AX430, it has a volume control for the sub out, but the sub volume is also dependent on the master volume control, so if the Master volume is 0, the sub is also 0. I have a Sakura in my room and even if I set the master volume to 0, yung bass volume ng sub ganon pa rin. But here's my advice to get the best of both worlds, buy an active sub that has both LINE and SPEAKER level inputs, so if you wanna be able to control the sub volume proportionally with the amp volume, you connect it to the speaker in, and to have independent control on the sub vol you connect it to the line in. Just my 2 cents.
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: Maki on Feb 28, 2004 at 08:38 PM
ah yes pare, it has pro logic II, its the xtreme player...=) thanks for the suggestions
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: torque on Mar 01, 2004 at 08:03 AM
Bro,
sorry medyo natagalan ang exact address ha? I had a problem with logging on kasi e. Moses Aaron is located at 623 G. Puyat st., Quiapo. Tel. no. 735-4390. TC.

bro,
no problemo. a friend of mine is planning to buy a sakura amp and dtx tower, i will recommend this shop to him.

thanks.
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: ultraman on Mar 01, 2004 at 08:35 PM
Ano na po ba mga magandang model ng sakura this day? The whole Raon market is saturated with sakura amps kasi. I have read from this thread that most owned the 377 model but unfortunately when I asked the model nung nagpunta ako, wala naman daw silang ganung model even at knight audio. asked ko sana what model is appropriate for powering dtx 9.5 speaker set. and how much? tnx
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: torque on Mar 02, 2004 at 07:38 AM
ultraman,
if AV-377 is not available try to look for  AV-387. two weeks ago may nakita ako sa Getz (beside Knight Audio) P3,500 ang price.
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: DaiHarD on Mar 02, 2004 at 08:14 AM
sa katapat ng building ng raon shopping arcade sa tabi ng overpass, pasok ka sa building dun meron dung 387. or along evangelista st meron dung isang shop na may malaking logo ng sakura, meron din sila 387 dun.

tsaka meron din silang sakura 327 for only 2,800 ( no fm tuner yan ang price na nakuha ko) just look for raymond sabihin mo refer by carl :)
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: ultraman on Mar 02, 2004 at 02:45 PM
tnx peeps,,,
        Ang 387 or 327 may independent channel volume? tnx ulit..
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: DaiHarD on Mar 02, 2004 at 11:25 PM
yup meron thats why I choose sakura over konzert :) at syempre less than 3k kaya yun ang pinili ko wala nga lang fm tuner, hindi din naman kasi ako mahilig makinig sa fm more on mp3 pinapakingan ko sa computer :)

mas maganda audition it first to suit your taste
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: arthurallanj on Mar 03, 2004 at 03:42 PM
Ano na po ba mga magandang model ng sakura this day? The whole Raon market is saturated with sakura amps kasi. I have read from this thread that most owned the 377 model but unfortunately when I asked the model nung nagpunta ako, wala naman daw silang ganung model even at knight audio. asked ko sana what model is appropriate for powering dtx 9.5 speaker set. and how much? tnx
On the assumption that your dvd player has DD/DTS and Dolby ProLogic, I think it would be best to buy a Sakura amp that is a dedicated 5ch amp, no need for the processors, I've seen sakuras that have the pull out design, yung parang pang-professional. These amps have better amplification qualities and equal amplification power to all channels at the same price. Remember, the Pro Logic is for 2ch sources, importante din yun, in a phrase, SHOP AROUND. TC.
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: Yakuini on Mar 15, 2004 at 08:18 AM
Upgraded my old Sakura 325 to the new Sakura 387 model yesterday. Asteeg! Parang branded na yung design, feature and aesthetic  ;D

Price is 3500, store is the one near Knight Audio.

Features:

250x2, 50x3
Separate volume control for Main, Center, SR and SL (volume indicator now shows in the nifty display in dB measurement)
DSP - oh yes this thing works 8)
AM/FM Digital Tuner
Bass/Treble/Super Bass
Dimmer (Normal/Dim/Off)

All functions can be controlled in the remote control except for Power.

My plan is to upgrade to Yammy but now that I got this one, mukhang mapo-postpone muna... :) :) :)

Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: juneaki on Mar 15, 2004 at 08:40 AM
Yakuini, you're using DTX 9.5 tower for fronts di ba? Enough ba ang power ng AV 387 para bayuhin ang  9.5?
Whatabout the bass? Kindly share naman ang review mo.
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: Yakuini on Mar 15, 2004 at 09:09 AM
Yakuini, you're using DTX 9.5 tower for fronts di ba? Enough ba ang power ng AV 387 para bayuhin ang  9.5?
Whatabout the bass? Kindly share naman ang review mo.

Punchy ang bass ng Sakura-DTX Tower combination. With proper volume level and Bass settings, you will feel a chest pumping bass even if you are 8 feet away from the speakers.

As for high, my wife, who doesn't care about my setup, says the singer is very alive and she feels like she is right in front of the singer. She even said she never felt that with our AIWA Component...need I say more?  ;)
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: Yakuini on Mar 15, 2004 at 09:10 AM
BTW, ala pa akong SUB, will get one from a friend as he is upgrading his DTX 4.1 to HSU  :o
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: torque on Mar 15, 2004 at 10:07 AM
Upgraded my old Sakura 325 to the new Sakura 387 model yesterday. Asteeg! Parang branded na yung design, feature and aesthetic  ;D

My plan is to upgrade to Yammy but now that I got this one, mukhang mapo-postpone muna... :) :) :)


Yakuini,
Congrats pare! kayang-kaya na ngayon  i-drive ng AV-387 ang DTX center mo.

enjoy! ;D
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: juneaki on Mar 15, 2004 at 10:43 AM
Bro, thanks. Mine kasi is AV-377, ang sinundan ng AV-387, with almost the same features. Currently using a mini-bookshelf (wharfedale valdus 100) as fronts but contemplating on upgrading to DTX 9.5 tower para makatipid sa kuryente para hindi lagi naka-on ang active sub ko whenever listening to music.
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: Yakuini on Mar 15, 2004 at 10:44 AM
Yakuini,
Congrats pare! kayang-kaya na ngayon  i-drive ng AV-387 ang DTX center mo.

enjoy! ;D

Thanks. Will send pic ng setup ko pag Naayos ko na lahat  :)
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: av_phile1 on Mar 15, 2004 at 10:47 AM
Almot a year ago I saw a Sakura receiver with dual toroidal transfoermers. Failed to get the model numbers.  But I was pleasantly surprised they sport dual toroids - a mark of good power design to begin with.
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: arthurallanj on Mar 15, 2004 at 10:50 AM
Marami pa kayang stocks ng Sakura AV-387? I'm contemplating on replacing my AV-1600 (has Dual Toroids) kasi e, because mono ang rear. Baka nxt week kasi andyan kami sa Manila e. Thnx mga bros.
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: arthurallanj on Mar 15, 2004 at 10:56 AM
Yakuini, you're using DTX 9.5 tower for fronts di ba? Enough ba ang power ng AV 387 para bayuhin ang  9.5?
Whatabout the bass? Kindly share naman ang review mo.
Bro,
makasabat lang, since the peak power input of the 9.5T is only 140W(RMS), it only needs an amp that has about 175W(RMS)[20% allowance] to satisfactorily drive it. Since 250W ang Sakura 387, IMO, kayang-kaya. Gusto ko ring palitan ang 1600 ko ng 387. :)
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: Yakuini on Mar 15, 2004 at 11:07 AM
Marami pa kayang stocks ng Sakura AV-387? I'm contemplating on replacing my AV-1600 (has Dual Toroids) kasi e, because mono ang rear. Baka nxt week kasi andyan kami sa Manila e. Thnx mga bros.

Sinuyod ko kahabaan ng raon st. kahapon and dalawa lang nagca-carry ng 387 model. Yung tabi ng Knight Audio and yung D.Y.H or D.H.Y hehehe :)

Same price lang at P3,500

FYI: 387 do not use Toroidal power supply. Mahaba yung power supply nito, parang dalawang pinagdikit na power supply ng computer yung haba.
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: arthurallanj on Mar 15, 2004 at 11:26 AM
Sinuyod ko kahabaan ng raon st. kahapon and dalawa lang nagca-carry ng 387 model. Yung tabi ng Knight Audio and yung D.Y.H or D.H.Y hehehe :)

Same price lang at P3,500

FYI: 387 do not use Toroidal power supply. Mahaba yung power supply nito, parang dalawang pinagdikit na power supply ng computer yung haba.
Thanks bro, sana makahanap ako nyan.
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: Dirk_Diggler on Mar 15, 2004 at 11:28 AM
387+DTX9.5 combo is teh win! =) welcome to the club sir Yakuini...
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: Yakuini on Mar 15, 2004 at 01:14 PM
387+DTX9.5 combo is teh win! =) welcome to the club sir Yakuini...

Thanks boss Dirk. You have the same setup?
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: Dirk_Diggler on Mar 15, 2004 at 01:29 PM
@Yakuini: yup i have the same setup pre, balak ko mag wharfs diamonds sa center pero di ko pa alam kung babagay sya sa dtx na fronts. anyways enjoy the great el cheapo 387. hehehe
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: Yakuini on Mar 15, 2004 at 02:13 PM
@Yakuini: yup i have the same setup pre, balak ko mag wharfs diamonds sa center pero di ko pa alam kung babagay sya sa dtx na fronts. anyways enjoy the great el cheapo 387. hehehe

Mababa sensitivity ng Diamond center, baka mahirapan 387 mo.

With all the bangs and whistles that comes with the 387, who would believe na 3500 lang sya :D
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: Dirk_Diggler on Mar 15, 2004 at 03:59 PM
Quote
Mababa sensitivity ng Diamond center, baka mahirapan 387 mo.
hmmm... ganun ba? i'll audition na lang siguro yung dtx center muna tapos dtx subs na rin (all dtx na ata mangyayari sa setup ko =) nweyz musta pala dtx center mo?
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: kimpOy on Mar 15, 2004 at 04:25 PM
mag all the way ka na DTX,
dumating na rin ang DTX9.5T ko for surround and balance na balance ang sound
tulad ng iniwasan ni neo yung bala ng agent sa matrix 1
from front to rear then from rear left to rear right, timber perfection!

also

their are some low frez sound that i only heard for the first time ngayon naka floorstander and rear ko, lalo na kapag DTS
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: torque on Mar 15, 2004 at 05:20 PM
Mababa sensitivity ng Diamond center, baka mahirapan 387 mo.

With all the bangs and whistles that comes with the 387, who would believe na 3500 lang sya :D


Yakuini, Dirk,
pards kaya rin ng AV-377/387 i-drive ang wharfe 8c. may barkada ako AV-377 din ang gamit tapos ang speakers nya us audio (tower) for front , wharfe 8c for center, DTX9.5T for surround and dtx 4.15 for sub.  a few weeks ago pumunta kami sa bahay nila, malupit din tumunog ang wharfe 8c  bilog na bilog ang sound.

si mojako alam ko satisfied din sa Sakura-Wharfe (8.1 and 8c) combination nya.  8)

Kimp0y,
bro, sarap naman manood sa inyo. try mo rin yung podrace scene sa star wars. ;D
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: kimpOy on Mar 16, 2004 at 08:35 AM
podrace...oo nga ano, thanks,
pero mas ok siguro kung nakalagay na ang
DTX center ko kasi wala akong stand para sa rear center eh.
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: juneaki on Mar 16, 2004 at 08:43 AM
Mga kapatid, kaya din kaya ng AV - 377/387 na paawitin ang Diamond 8.2?
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: Yakuini on Mar 16, 2004 at 10:35 AM
Mga kapatid, kaya din kaya ng AV - 377/387 na paawitin ang Diamond 8.2?

juneaki, meron ka bang pic ng 377? I just want to compare it with 387 kung ano pinagkaiba nila.

Hiram ako ng digicam pag naayos ko na setup ko.
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: juneaki on Mar 16, 2004 at 11:01 AM
Yakuini, yung AV-377 at AV-387 ay pareho na pareho ang hitsura, pati mga buttons at knobs, even the location of the buttons and knobs. I think even the specs (250X2 and 50X3, fronts,center and surrounds). The only difference is 377 vs 387.
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: abadmd on Mar 18, 2004 at 12:44 AM
Mga guys. Ang sakura ay well endorsed sa akin ng sister ko pero sad to say hindi yun ang ang klase na tunog na hanap ko. My setup is like this. I have a Xenon (forgot the model) DVD player that has a built in DTS decoder and is AC3 ready. Walang optical or coaxial input ang sakura ko but it is AC3 ready also(or as the manufacturer says) so ang ginawa ko, lahat ng AC3 output ng player ko, kinabit ko sa sakura ko, with the exception of the subwoofer. Dun ko yan kinabit sa isang 2 channel amp ko na panasonic (matanda na mga bro) and dinadrive niya ay isang passive subwoofer. Oks sana tumunog. Dumadagundong. Kaya lang, bakit di ko marinig ang audio (dialogue pala). Meron pero mahina. Cany you help me out? My DVD player has a test tone buillt in and when I tried it, only the front and a little bit of the center and tumutunog. I remeber na the model number: Sakura AV-326, Denon DVD-820, at ang aging ko na Panasonic, Digitalink Amplifier. Welcome mga suggestions niyo. Di ko binili ang Sakura. I won it in a raffle during one of the seminars that I attended. I am thinking of buying na lang a good brand but if there are any suggestions re in retaining my setup, welcome kayo.
GUSTO KO MA-UTILIZE ANG 5.1 SETUP PERO DI KO MAGAWA!@!!!!! ::)
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: juneaki on Mar 18, 2004 at 07:55 AM
Bro, have you tried to change the audio option of the DVD player to 5.1 analog out? Also, did you press the AC3/5.1 button of the amplifier? If you did and it's still not working, hindi totoo na 5.1 ready ang ampli mo. Palitan mo na lang ng Sakura AV-387 (Php 3.5K) or if your budget permits, go for branded ones (Php 14K up).
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: juneaki on Mar 19, 2004 at 08:37 AM
Mga guys. Ang sakura ay well endorsed sa akin ng sister ko pero sad to say hindi yun ang ang klase na tunog na hanap ko. My setup is like this. I have a Xenon (forgot the model) DVD player that has a built in DTS decoder and is AC3 ready. Walang optical or coaxial input ang sakura ko but it is AC3 ready also(or as the manufacturer says) so ang ginawa ko, lahat ng AC3 output ng player ko, kinabit ko sa sakura ko, with the exception of the subwoofer. Dun ko yan kinabit sa isang 2 channel amp ko na panasonic (matanda na mga bro) and dinadrive niya ay isang passive subwoofer. Oks sana tumunog. Dumadagundong. Kaya lang, bakit di ko marinig ang audio (dialogue pala). Meron pero mahina. Cany you help me out? My DVD player has a test tone buillt in and when I tried it, only the front and a little bit of the center and tumutunog. I remeber na the model number: Sakura AV-326, Denon DVD-820, at ang aging ko na Panasonic, Digitalink Amplifier. Welcome mga suggestions niyo. Di ko binili ang Sakura. I won it in a raffle during one of the seminars that I attended. I am thinking of buying na lang a good brand but if there are any suggestions re in retaining my setup, welcome kayo.
GUSTO KO MA-UTILIZE ANG 5.1 SETUP PERO DI KO MAGAWA!@!!!!! ::)

Bro, maybe you can ask for help from DairHard and Ultraman, pdvd members din, they are satisfied owners of Sakura 327. Baka kakambal ito ng 326 mo.
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: DaiHarD on Mar 19, 2004 at 02:15 PM
Im not so familiar with 326, ang alam ko about this is mas mababang watts nito compare to 327

may seperate volume ba ito for center and surround? what center speaker are you using? Can you pls post a picture of front and back face of your 326?
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: abadmd on Mar 19, 2004 at 09:46 PM
Daihard, I cant post the picture kasi wala ako digicam. Anyways, I am using pioneer surrond and center speakers. Ok lang. My unit does not have a separate volume control for the surround and center speakers. Nakakaasar. d ko maintindihan ang pinanonood ko. what if I connect the center oout of my dvd to the center and sw in of my amp. May nakapagsabi sa akin na hindi true 5.1 amp ang sakura ko. Meaning, the sw in is acutally another channel for my center.
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: DaiHarD on Mar 20, 2004 at 08:07 AM
Dumaan me sa raon kahapon, these 326 have 120W+120W at 5 channel lang sya  walang sub out ito :) Sa center or surround hindi din nila alam pero estimate ko mga 15-30W lang. Isa lang ang master volume nya at malayo ang mga functions nya sa 327 at walang remote. Hindi ko naaudition dahil pasarado na yun store kakahiya naman kung aaudition ko lang. :)

Pagkakabit mo ba nagtestone ka na ba? Do they have individual sounds? magkasing lakas ba ang bawat isa?

Ilan Watts ba center speaker mo? Ganun ang naging problem ko sa Rongxin 89DV ko walang indivudual volume at hindi ko maintindihan ang pinapanuod ko dahil ang hina ng center(reklamo din nila dito sa bahay hahaha) tsaka kapos na kapos ako sa surround kaya ako nagupgrade to SAKURA 327 hehehe.

Try to check your DVD's setting by pressing the setup button on your remote. Then look for center settings try to tweak there.

Kung wala pa rin nangyari mas maganda

=========
OPTION 1
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benta mo na lang at bili ka ng bago. Kung may budget ka get 387, kung low budget lang at di mo kailangan ng tuner get 327 :) Para may individual volume na.

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OPTION 2
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Kung ayaw mong ibenta at dumagdag ng gastos mo, bumili ka na lang ng 2 pcs of Y-connector and RCA cable.

Gawin mo na lang ganito

DVD Center out Y1-- 326's center in
                          Y1--Y2 -- tv's audio right in
                              --Y2 -- tv's audio left in

Di nga lang ganun kaganda ang quality na makukuha mo :)

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OPTION 3
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May active sub ka na ba with satellite? Kung meron pwede mong isaksak ang center in mo dun at yun pioneer center speaker pwede mo ikabit sa satelite out ng active sub mo :) Kung wala ka pang active sub with satellite. Im selling my Rongxin 88DV with Satellite. Magagamit mo ito PROMISE... Just pm me here or txt thru my mobile 0917-3768675 :)
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: jmigs on Mar 24, 2004 at 10:13 PM
'm selling my sakura 327 na di ko pa kailangan e, same price 2400, bnew pa nung monday ko lng binile

txt me 9263298890
   
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: DaiHarD on Mar 24, 2004 at 10:43 PM
hehehe sayang sana 87 or 88DV na lang kinuha mo, use it as sub then mga satellites nya ikabit mo sa 327 mo, you'll enjoy it more :)
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: ultraman on Mar 25, 2004 at 12:59 AM
        Yup! tama si DaiHard. niwey, its your choice naman tsong. ;) So, what are you planning to buy next? Gamit ka na lang ng Rongxin?
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: jmigs on Mar 25, 2004 at 04:55 PM
       Yup! tama si DaiHard. niwey, its your choice naman tsong. ;) So, what are you planning to buy next? Gamit ka na lang ng Rongxin?

pali na lang ako ng kebao/extreme dvd player for independent volume control since humihingi naman ng kuya ko ng player para daw gift niya :D and pag walang bumli ng sakura amp ko then bili ng ako ng speaker in the future.
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: arthurallanj on Mar 26, 2004 at 10:28 AM
pali na lang ako ng kebao/extreme dvd player for independent volume control since humihingi naman ng kuya ko ng player para daw gift niya :D and pag walang bumli ng sakura amp ko then bili ng ako ng speaker in the future.

Tama yan, bro, make use of what you've got muna and prioritize buying equiptment that you don't have, pag kumpleto ka na, then consider upgrading. :)
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: DaiHarD on Mar 26, 2004 at 01:54 PM
@jmigs,

ok din yun its you're decision naman hehehe maganda din nga ang ronxin/extreme combo :)

@ultraman,
kailan ka bibili ng dtx?
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: cHiNo2728 on Mar 26, 2004 at 02:47 PM
I have just bought the Sakura AV-387 ;D I got it for 3,350 at a store in Raon. Una kong pumunta sa DYH Electronics along Evangelista and they had it priced as 3500. I then went to Moses Aaron and they had it priced as 3325. Kaya lang wala silang stock for the day. I then went back towards Quezon Blvd and saw this shop selling mainly mobile sound systems (parang marami to ah! ;)) I went inside and saw the 387. I asked the lady inside, how much and sinabi nya 3350. So kinuha ko na siya. I asked from the lady named Marlyn who was one of the salesladies if I could at least test it. Without saying a word, she not only proceeded to test the fronts but she also instructed the "boy" to take out some surround speakers, US Audio Center and US Audio sub for full testing. She patiently connected all the speakers for a full setup and I tested it to my heart's content. "Okay tong shop na to" i said to myself.
I was able to control the volume for SR.SL and Center as well as the Fronts. What I was most happy about was the way she let me had my way with the testing. Some shops kasi will test it only for the fronts and then lilipat na lang nila yung wire. I am so satisfied with my purchase and I look forward to buying the DTX slimline series next.
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: Yakuini on Mar 26, 2004 at 02:58 PM
I have just bought the Sakura AV-387 ;D I got it for 3,350 at a store in Raon. Una kong pumunta sa DYH Electronics along Evangelista and they had it priced as 3500. I then went to Moses Aaron and they had it priced as 3325. Kaya lang wala silang stock for the day. I then went back towards Quezon Blvd and saw this shop selling mainly mobile sound systems (parang marami to ah! ;)) I went inside and saw the 387. I asked the lady inside, how much and sinabi nya 3350. So kinuha ko na siya. I asked from the lady named Marlyn who was one of the salesladies if I could at least test it. Without saying a word, she not only proceeded to test the fronts but she also instructed the "boy" to take out some surround speakers, US Audio Center and US Audio sub for full testing. She patiently connected all the speakers for a full setup and I tested it to my heart's content. "Okay tong shop na to" i said to myself.
I was able to control the volume for SR.SL and Center as well as the Fronts. What I was most happy about was the way she let me had my way with the testing. Some shops kasi will test it only for the fronts and then lilipat na lang nila yung wire. I am so satisfied with my purchase and I look forward to buying the DTX slimline series next.

Congratulation on your purchase, chino. Am sure mag-eenjoy ka sa 387.

Got mine for 3,500 so maswerte ka. Marami na sigurong merong stock na 387 kaya bumaba na presyo. Dati kasi dalawa lang yung meron nyan.

Do you still remember the name of the store?
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: av_phile1 on Mar 26, 2004 at 04:14 PM
Congrats on your new toy, Chino.  Hope you get the DTS slim soon.
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: DaiHarD on Mar 26, 2004 at 04:34 PM
to 377 & 387 owners
do your amps have individual bass and treble adjustment for center and surrounds?
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: cHiNo2728 on Mar 26, 2004 at 06:58 PM
Thanks Yakuini, DaiHard and av_phile1! I hope to join the Sakura/DTX Slimline club soon. Baka pwede na tayong mag-create ng new thread on this unofficial club? ;) Anyways, I'm still looking for the best deal on the DTX line. Sana makahabol bago tumaas ang presyo.
Nga pala, my 387 is black, meron bang available na gold or silver? Sabi kasi sa box meron eh.
Because of this thread I knew what model I had to look for and Im very happy with it. Sabi lang ng mga napagtanungan ko, wala daw 377 or 397. Meron akong nakita sa pinagbilhan ko ng 327 and 389. The 327 was previously described in this thread. For the 389, it looked much better in my opinion compared to the 387.
However it lacked a remote control and separate controls for the surround and center channels.
I will try to get the calling card that was given to me and
I will post it here later.
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: av_phile1 on Mar 26, 2004 at 07:07 PM
It would be interesting to visit the Sakura website.  However, googling for it gives me a number of sakura sites that are not my contemplation.  There's actually a Sakura audio systems site but these are expensive esoteric high end systems from 47 Labs. It features a CD transport only player costing $25,000.   ::)  Anyone knows the more down to earth sakura website?
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: DaiHarD on Mar 26, 2004 at 07:09 PM
welcome to sakura chino,

I dont have dtx yet and wish to have one but dont have enough space for this :(

Where you bought yours? Sa DYH ba? 377 was changed by 387 :) 397 not so familiar if it's new or old, only 1 shop carry this. Forgot the street name but it's parallel to Raon and near to a beer house :)
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: ultraman on Mar 26, 2004 at 08:02 PM
Peeps,
         Do you know where Moses Aaron located? Balak ko kasing bumili ng DTX bkas and i think this store offers less compared to other store. Anuhin sya ng DYH or Metrotech? tnx.
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: Philander on Mar 26, 2004 at 09:04 PM
It would be interesting to visit the Sakura website.  However, googling for it gives me a number of sakura sites that are not my contemplation.  There's actually a Sakura audio systems site but these are expensive esoteric high end systems from 47 Labs. It features a CD transport only player costing $25,000.   ::)  Anyone knows the more down to earth sakura website?

No website. Been looking for it for the past five years, no luck.
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: DaiHarD on Mar 27, 2004 at 12:51 AM
Quote
No website. Been looking for it for the past five years, no luck.

Correct!!! tsk tsk tsk Sakura pls put up your site!!! :)

Quote
It would be interesting to visit the Sakura website.  However, googling for it gives me a number of sakura sites that are not my contemplation.  There's actually a Sakura audio systems site but these are expensive esoteric high end systems from 47 Labs. It features a CD transport only player costing $25,000.    Anyone knows the more down to earth sakura website?
Just visit Raon there are tons of sakura there.
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: Yakuini on Mar 27, 2004 at 08:23 AM
to 377 & 387 owners
do your amps have individual bass and treble adjustment for center and surrounds?


Wala. Pero meron Super Bass which is good pag wala kapang SUB like me.

One thing I like with 387 is the way it adjust the volume controls. First, I set the Main, Center and SL/SR volume before watching DVD then when you feel that the volume is too loud while watching the movie, all you have to do is adjust the main volume control through remote and Center/SR/SL volume will automatically be adjusted also. Very convenient IMO   8)

My old Sakura does not have this feature.
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: arthurallanj on Mar 27, 2004 at 10:29 AM
Mga bro na owners ng Sakura AV-387,
meron bang ProLogic ang 387? nakita ko na sya dito sa Bacolod, Maganda din sya. I'm thinking of replacing my AV1600 kasi e. Thanks :)
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: Yakuini on Mar 27, 2004 at 10:41 AM
Mga bro na owners ng Sakura AV-387,
meron bang ProLogic ang 387? nakita ko na sya dito sa Bacolod, Maganda din sya. I'm thinking of replacing my AV1600 kasi e. Thanks :)

Arthur, alam ko wala. analog 5.1 CH Input lang. Wala syang Pro-logic though I dunno if the 2/3/5 Channel Option counts as Pro-logic.
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: cHiNo2728 on Mar 27, 2004 at 11:25 AM
Mamaya makakahiram na ko ng digicam from my brother. I will be posting the pictures of the 387 later tonight. I will be giving the pbase link na rin hopefully.
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: DaiHarD on Mar 28, 2004 at 04:25 PM
to sakura users
What active sub are you using? yumayanig ba ang kwarto nyo sa last part na parating ang mga tangke sa saving pricvate ryan? tsaka na rin sa ibang movies?
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: cHiNo2728 on Mar 28, 2004 at 06:27 PM
Attention!  Just uploaded pics of my Sakura AV 387 at pbase. Special thanks to my brother Amiel, for helping me out. For all of you who does not have an idea of how it looks like and its specs, just visit my link below. Comments are welcome. ;D

http://www.pbase.com/chino1328

Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: jake_kash on Mar 28, 2004 at 09:02 PM
I have just bought the Sakura AV-387 ;D I got it for 3,350 at a store in Raon. Una kong pumunta sa DYH Electronics along Evangelista and they had it priced as 3500. I then went to Moses Aaron and they had it priced as 3325. Kaya lang wala silang stock for the day. I then went back towards Quezon Blvd and saw this shop selling mainly mobile sound systems (parang marami to ah! ;)) I went inside and saw the 387. I asked the lady inside, how much and sinabi nya 3350. So kinuha ko na siya. I asked from the lady named Marlyn who was one of the salesladies if I could at least test it. Without saying a word, she not only proceeded to test the fronts but she also instructed the "boy" to take out some surround speakers, US Audio Center and US Audio sub for full testing. She patiently connected all the speakers for a full setup and I tested it to my heart's content. "Okay tong shop na to" i said to myself.
I was able to control the volume for SR.SL and Center as well as the Fronts. What I was most happy about was the way she let me had my way with the testing. Some shops kasi will test it only for the fronts and then lilipat na lang nila yung wire. I am so satisfied with my purchase and I look forward to buying the DTX slimline series next.

Congrats on your acquisition, chino!! ;)

I saw the pix, it looks great! :) Buti nlang meron murang AVR like this one, di kasi kaya ng wallet-powers ko ung mga Yammies eh  ;D I have a Nextbase DVD9000 and i'm currently considering buying this AV plus maybe rongxin speakers para pang set-up ko...either that or i'll have to sell my Nextbase tpus buy an Xtreme DVD tpus rongxin nlang... hayyy ::) decisions, decisions... :)

peace out,

jake
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: nescafe_frothe on Mar 29, 2004 at 05:56 AM
newbie question:

pag kinabitan ba ng mga speakers itong 387 hiwalay hiwalay ang tunog, as in the same ba ang output if kinabit sa mga yamaha avr, yun lang kasi ang gusto ko yung umiikot ang mga sounds sa 5 speakers, ok ba i pair ito sa skyworth dvd and us audio speakers?
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: DaiHarD on Mar 29, 2004 at 07:36 AM
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newbie question:

pag kinabitan ba ng mga speakers itong 387 hiwalay hiwalay ang tunog, as in the same ba ang output if kinabit sa mga yamaha avr, yun lang kasi ang gusto ko yung umiikot ang mga sounds sa 5 speakers, ok ba i pair ito sa skyworth dvd and us audio speakers?

Yes hiwahiwalay ang tunog nyan. Halos the same sound lang sa mga branded avr pero syempre maraming advantage ang branded like coax and fiber optic input. Sa SAKURA amps rca input lang. So kailangan mo ng 5.1 out at may dts decoder sa dvd player mo :)

As long as na may 5.1 out yan skyworth no problem yan :)  yes you can connect it to your US audio speakers :)


Quote
saw the pix, it looks great!  Buti nlang meron murang AVR like this one, di kasi kaya ng wallet-powers ko ung mga Yammies eh   I have a Nextbase DVD9000 and i'm currently considering buying this AV plus maybe rongxin speakers para pang set-up ko...either that or i'll have to sell my Nextbase tpus buy an Xtreme DVD tpus rongxin nlang... hayyy  decisions, decisions...
So far sa budget setup Rongxin 89DV owns pero kung medyo high end konti SAKURA owns :)

May 5.1 out ba yang DVD9000 mo? If meron pwede mo ngang gamitin tong Rongxin 89DV or mga SAKURA :)

Rongxin 89DV P2,300 - Hopestar

Sakura 327     P2,400 - DYH and GINES
-- almost same features as 387 but dont have FM tuner

Sakura 387     P3,350 - Audiotech
-- have FM tuner

btw if you're interested to buy Sakura with Rongxin speakers. I'm selling my Rongxin 88DV(stereo)(you can pm me about it). You can use the satellites as your Centr, FR, FLm SR, SL speakers connecting to 327/387 then 88DV sub as your subwoofer connecting to 327/387 sub out
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: rogie on Mar 29, 2004 at 08:09 AM
mga sir... ano po ba advantage when i used sakura amps... i just read the thread and di pa ko convince na bumili... is there be a difference pag naka sakura amps ka na... mas lalakas pa ba output ng speakers mo?
right now my set is :

dvd player: kebao
ht speakers: rainbow 5.1 amplified speaker (endorsed by changhong) meron din separate volume each channel.
http://www.elko.cz/web/letaky/GEMBIRD%20-%20speaker%20YF-1A.htm

right now medyo gsto ko pa lumakas ang tunong ng speakers ko... specialy the sub. is sakura amps will answer my needs....

tnx po..... ;D
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: torque on Mar 29, 2004 at 09:03 AM
Attention!  Just uploaded pics of my Sakura AV 387 at pbase. Special thanks to my brother Amiel, for helping me out. For all of you who does not have an idea of how it looks like and its specs, just visit my link below. Comments are welcome. ;D

http://www.pbase.com/chino1328



chino,
congrats! Sakura amp owner ka na rin ;D

I just saw the pics on your link. parehong-pareho lang ang 377 and 387 amps, nagkaiba lang sa shape ng remote control. yung remote ng 377 medyo slim ang shape.
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: DaiHarD on Mar 29, 2004 at 09:20 AM
Quote
mga sir... ano po ba advantage when i used sakura amps... i just read the thread and di pa ko convince na bumili... is there be a difference pag naka sakura amps ka na... mas lalakas pa ba output ng speakers mo?
right now my set is :

dvd player: kebao
ht speakers: rainbow 5.1 amplified speaker (endorsed by changhong) meron din separate volume each channel.
http://www.elko.cz/web/letaky/GEMBIRD%20-%20speaker%20YF-1A.htm

right now medyo gsto ko pa lumakas ang tunong ng speakers ko... specialy the sub. is sakura amps will answer my needs....

tnx po.....
Mukhang maganda yan speakers ng changhong ah :)

Advantage mo is mas malakas ang 5 channels mo (Cntr,FR,FL,Sl,SR), this Sakura amps can drive towers even mobiles speakers yun mga tipong ginagamit na pangconcert.  kung satisfied ka na sa 5 channels and kapos ka sa bass dagdag ka na lang ng active sub :) medyo kapos din nga ako sa bass, kaya binbenta ko ang 88DV at papalitan ko na lang mga 200-300 active sub copare to 2 subs :)
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: nescafe_frothe on Mar 29, 2004 at 02:52 PM
mga sir... ano po ba advantage when i used sakura amps... i just read the thread and di pa ko convince na bumili... is there be a difference pag naka sakura amps ka na... mas lalakas pa ba output ng speakers mo?
right now my set is :

dvd player: kebao
ht speakers: rainbow 5.1 amplified speaker (endorsed by changhong) meron din separate volume each channel.
http://www.elko.cz/web/letaky/GEMBIRD%20-%20speaker%20YF-1A.htm

right now medyo gsto ko pa lumakas ang tunong ng speakers ko... specialy the sub. is sakura amps will answer my needs....

tnx po..... ;D



saan nabibili itong rainbow 5.1 speakers and how much?
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: rogie on Mar 30, 2004 at 07:47 AM
saan nabibili itong rainbow 5.1 speakers and how much?

i bought it sa megamall nung meron citibank madness at 6k for 6 months to pay.

if you want to look meron ulit citibank madness sa megamall meron ata cla ulit sale pero di ko lang alam if the same unit.... check mo lang po.... ;D
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: rogie on Mar 30, 2004 at 07:49 AM
Mukhang maganda yan speakers ng changhong ah :)

Advantage mo is mas malakas ang 5 channels mo (Cntr,FR,FL,Sl,SR), this Sakura amps can drive towers even mobiles speakers yun mga tipong ginagamit na pangconcert.  kung satisfied ka na sa 5 channels and kapos ka sa bass dagdag ka na lang ng active sub :) medyo kapos din nga ako sa bass, kaya binbenta ko ang 88DV at papalitan ko na lang mga 200-300 active sub copare to 2 subs :)

thanks diehard for your brief explanation... cguro audition muna ko para sure na kung ano talaga papalit ko. plan to change my ht to sakura then dtx.... fit sa budget di masyadong mahal.
 ;D
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: rsuello on Mar 30, 2004 at 09:45 AM

wow, ang ganda ng design ng Sakura 387 a!  :D meron kaya nagbebenta n'yan dito sa cebu?

magkano ba d'yan sa maynila?

hindi pa kasali ang speakers right? meron bang subwoofer output ang Sakura 387 amplifier?

hindi kasi clear 'yong pictures sa http://www.pbase.com/chino1328/sakura
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: Yakuini on Mar 30, 2004 at 11:28 AM

wow, ang ganda ng design ng Sakura 387 a!  :D meron kaya nagbebenta n'yan dito sa cebu?

magkano ba d'yan sa maynila?

hindi pa kasali ang speakers right? meron bang subwoofer output ang Sakura 387 amplifier?

hindi kasi clear 'yong pictures sa http://www.pbase.com/chino1328/sakura

P3350 base doon sa resibo ni chino. Merong subwoofer out yung Sakura. Yung nag-iisang RCA jack ang sub-out.

Speakers are sold separately.
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: cHiNo2728 on Mar 30, 2004 at 04:29 PM
Rsuello, sensya na kasi di masyadong bihasa sa mga close-ups eh. Meron nga siyang sub-outs. Sana susunod sa pbase ko eh DTX na! Hehe!  ;D
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: hexlex on Apr 02, 2004 at 01:47 AM
has sakura owner tried pairing them with wharf diamond 8.1s??? musta po ang performance? ano model ng sakura na ginamit nyo?
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: torque on Apr 02, 2004 at 08:28 AM
has sakura owner tried pairing them with wharf diamond 8.1s??? musta po ang performance? ano model ng sakura na ginamit nyo?


hexlex,
pards si mojacko sakura 377-wharfe 8.1 ang set-up. try mong mag PM sa kanya.

mojacko,
paramdam ka naman... ;D
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: juneaki on Apr 02, 2004 at 03:58 PM
I think Sakura AV-387 is good for bookshelf type speakers. I once used a pair of wharf valdus 100 bookshelves as my fronts for my Sakura AV-377 and it sounds good to me.  How much more if you use wharf 8.1.
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: mojako on Apr 12, 2004 at 03:22 AM
ay sori, medyo tagal na ko di nag po-post dito.   ;)
I'm using wharf 8.1s (tweaked by nirv) and a Sakura AV-377.  Naka bi-wire using ga12 wires.  Galing ng sound, ganda nga detail when i'm watching concert DVDs.  Pair it with a nice sub, ok na ok na HT setup mo. 
saw the AV-387 pics, halos pareho nga sya ng av-377.  Baka may konting improvements nga lang tong 387. 
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: cHiNo2728 on Apr 12, 2004 at 09:49 AM
Mojako,

Medyo OT lang. What brand, how much and where can I get the GA12 wires. Are these the most suitable for a
Sakura + DTX/Wharf combo?
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: rsuello on Apr 12, 2004 at 09:55 AM
ay sori, medyo tagal na ko di nag po-post dito.   ;)
I'm using wharf 8.1s (tweaked by nirv) and a Sakura AV-377.  Naka bi-wire using ga12 wires.  Galing ng sound, ganda nga detail when i'm watching concert DVDs.  Pair it with a nice sub, ok na ok na HT setup mo. 
saw the AV-387 pics, halos pareho nga sya ng av-377.  Baka may konting improvements nga lang tong 387. 

ano ba ang bi-wiring? two speakers in parallel? or two parallel wires per line (ground & signal)?
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: arthurallanj on Apr 12, 2004 at 12:47 PM


ano ba ang bi-wiring? two speakers in parallel? or two parallel wires per line (ground & signal)?

That's two parallel wires per line. This is done on bi-wirable speakers, speakers that have individual crossovers for each component. Meaning it has a crossover for the tweeter and a crossover for the bass driver. This is to help the speaker perform better since high frequency signals are sensitive and can be affected if the signal passes through only one pair of wires. It's like giving your speakers a different connection for the bass signals and a separate line for the high frequency sounds. There's a thread about bi-wiring somewhere in this forum. Search mo na lang. TC. :)
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: mojako on Apr 14, 2004 at 12:09 AM
may ga12 speaker wire sa ParkSquare Makati.  Bi-wiring was explained by arthur, and there is a thread all about this.  If your DTX speakers support bi-wiring, i suggest that you bi-wire it, para hindi masayang yung capability ng speakers mo.  Can't tell if ga12 wires are most suitable for you DTX speakers, audition ka muna, or you can try it out yourself. 
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: juneaki on Apr 21, 2004 at 02:50 PM
Meron na bang gumagamit sa inyo ng Sakura AV-397? Ano ang mga specs nito? How does it perform? Kindly share naman ng review nyo. Thanks.
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: arthurallanj on Apr 21, 2004 at 02:55 PM
Meron na bang gumagamit sa inyo ng Sakura AV-397? Ano ang mga specs nito? How does it perform? Kindly share naman ng review nyo. Thanks.

meron na ba? saan mo nakita bro?
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: juneaki on Apr 23, 2004 at 11:03 AM


meron na ba? saan mo nakita bro?

I just read it in one of the threads here (DTX-Sakura combo or Rongxin vs Sakura), one asked about the difference between Sakura AV-387 and AV-397. One answered that basically they are the same except for the power, AV-387 250w X 2 fronts while AV-397 is 300-400 watts ang fronts. That is why i'm inquiring if one of us here already uses AV-397. Im contemplating of replacing my Sakura AV-377 kasi.
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: sgot on Apr 24, 2004 at 07:03 AM
nagtanong nga ako ng 397 sa moses aaron last week pero unknown pa sa kanila yung model.  mukhang di pa yata released eh. ::)
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: arthurallanj on Apr 24, 2004 at 11:22 AM
That's why I asked, kasi I've haven't heard of the 397 pa e, I thought the latest pa lang was the upgrade for the 377, which is the 387. Let's wait, baka meron na nga sigurong padating.
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: PenoyDVD on Apr 24, 2004 at 11:44 AM

Bro,
I suggest you really take the time to shop around for it, andami kasing models e, I've seen this 5 ch amp in gold from sakura, it was a pull-out type amp, it didn't have a decoder/processor though, but if you're dvd player has DD/DTS decoders and a Dolby ProLogic processor(for 2 ch sources), you wouldn't need it, parang branded, and ang lakas. Marami silang maganda, at marami ding panget. So start hunting. Any Sakura amp above the 3K/3.5K mark seem to be great. TC.

bro,
  matanong lang kita kung nakita mo na yung amp na plardin ang brand? OK ba yun? nagdadalawang isip kasi ako kung plardin o sakura.

thanks
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: arthurallanj on Apr 24, 2004 at 12:21 PM


bro,
  matanong lang kita kung nakita mo na yung amp na plardin ang brand? OK ba yun? nagdadalawang isip kasi ako kung plardin o sakura.

thanks

yup, bro, I personally don't like it that much, parang lata. Kasi unang-una, although this is not always the case, in order for an amp to perform well and give adequate power, kailangan ng magandang power supply, which means mabigat, ang gaan ng amp ng Plardin e. From inside, wala nang maraming circuit boards, just the power supply, ICs, at yung neccessary lang for an amp, that's it. Poorly made, even though it looks fine on the outside. Kung Plardin lang naman, mag-Sakura ka na bro. Suggest ko ang av-387. Why di ko gusto ang Plardin pa? First, wala syang processor, so amp lang talaga sya. The models I saw don't even have a 5 channel input, although it has 5 ch speaker outs, the stereo signals are just split into these channels and passed through filters para kunyari surround nga daw. Kahit ang Sakura meron ding mga ganitong models, kaya nga I'm suggesting a model e. But so far, I haven't seen any Plardin amp na HT amp talaga or kahit na 5 channel amp n lang. But maybe may nakita ka, but I doubt it. Eto na lang, check the back of this Plardin amp that you saw kung meron syang 5.1 input, pag meron, baka 5 channel amp nga sya, but this is not certain pa rin. So best choice? Buy an amp na marami nang meron so you'd get reliable reviews and info from owners themselves. Marami nang meron nitong av387, and the reviews are good, I don't have this one, I have the av1600, which I also love, but I plan to get din the av387. Hope I helped. TC. :)
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: DaiHarD on Apr 24, 2004 at 06:30 PM
Quote
I just read it in one of the threads here (DTX-Sakura combo or Rongxin vs Sakura), one asked about the difference between Sakura AV-387 and AV-397. One answered that basically they are the same except for the power, AV-387 250w X 2 fronts while AV-397 is 300-400 watts ang fronts. That is why i'm inquiring if one of us here already uses AV-397. Im contemplating of replacing my Sakura AV-377 kasi.
I just visited the store na nakita ko dati ng 397 yesterday, sold out na sya at tinanong ko ulit ang price its, 5,600 daw yun out of stock as of now sino kaya yun nakabili taga PDVD kaya? :)

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nagtanong nga ako ng 397 sa moses aaron last week pero unknown pa sa kanila yung model.  mukhang di pa yata released eh.
maybe di pa talagang released or di pa nila alam, dahil maraming shops sa raon ang di alam ang mga models ng sakura. For example 327, marami  shops ang di nakakaalam pati Knight Audio, Gets etc etc... hehehe :) 2 shops pa lang nakakaalam nito as of last 2 months hehehe :)


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bro,
  matanong lang kita kung nakita mo na yung amp na plardin ang brand? OK ba yun? nagdadalawang isip kasi ako kung plardin o sakura.
STAY AWAY from Plardin!!! manghihinayang ka lang hehehe nasa huli ang pagsisisi, MUNTIKAN ko na din bilhin yan dahil sa salestalk at logo niyang ac-3 dts, putik eh hindi naman e stereo lang yun. I audition all of its model and stereo lang
front and rear left input --> tumutunog ang front left, rear left and center sabay sabay
front and rear right input --> tumutunog ang front right, rear right and center ng sabay sabay
center  input --> tumutunog ang lahat ng speakers

hehehe tigas ng apog nilang maglagay ng AC-3 DTS na logo pa hahaha pero maganda may dating ang design nila ah hehehe

Bakit mo naisipan ang plardin? dahil nasa budget ka noh? Kung nasa budget ka you can get Sakura 327 for only P2,400 walang am/fm tuner, kung gusto mo ng am/fm tuner get Sakura 387 :)

Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: johndoe on Apr 24, 2004 at 09:54 PM
what is the features of 397?ilang rms pr/channel?
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: arthurallanj on Apr 26, 2004 at 10:31 AM

I just visited the store na nakita ko dati ng 397 yesterday, sold out na sya at tinanong ko ulit ang price its, 5,600 daw yun out of stock as of now sino kaya yun nakabili taga PDVD kaya? :)


At a price difference of 1,800, I'd go for the AV387 na lang, which costs 3,250 lang sa suki ko. Kasi power lang naman pala ang difference e, at ang laki nga ng difference. Kung may mga added features sana sya, siguro pa.
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: PenoyDVD on Apr 28, 2004 at 10:54 AM


yup, bro, I personally don't like it that much, parang lata. Kasi unang-una, although this is not always the case, in order for an amp to perform well and give adequate power, kailangan ng magandang power supply, which means mabigat, ang gaan ng amp ng Plardin e. From inside, wala nang maraming circuit boards, just the power supply, ICs, at yung neccessary lang for an amp, that's it. Poorly made, even though it looks fine on the outside. Kung Plardin lang naman, mag-Sakura ka na bro. Suggest ko ang av-387. Why di ko gusto ang Plardin pa? First, wala syang processor, so amp lang talaga sya. The models I saw don't even have a 5 channel input, although it has 5 ch speaker outs, the stereo signals are just split into these channels and passed through filters para kunyari surround nga daw. Kahit ang Sakura meron ding mga ganitong models, kaya nga I'm suggesting a model e. But so far, I haven't seen any Plardin amp na HT amp talaga or kahit na 5 channel amp n lang. But maybe may nakita ka, but I doubt it. Eto na lang, check the back of this Plardin amp that you saw kung meron syang 5.1 input, pag meron, baka 5 channel amp nga sya, but this is not certain pa rin. So best choice? Buy an amp na marami nang meron so you'd get reliable reviews and info from owners themselves. Marami nang meron nitong av387, and the reviews are good, I don't have this one, I have the av1600, which I also love, but I plan to get din the av387. Hope I helped. TC. :)

thanks bro.... i think sakura na nga bilhin ko, pina audition ko yung plardin iba ung tunog nya kesa sa sakura.... :)
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: sayad5 on Apr 28, 2004 at 11:26 AM
ask ko lang po kung hiwa-hiwalay talaga yung audio ng 327 kapag kinabitan ng dvd player na nay built-in decoder ?. kailangan ko lang ng confirmation before ako sumugod sa raon.
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: DaiHarD on Apr 28, 2004 at 01:05 PM
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ask ko lang po kung hiwa-hiwalay talaga yung audio ng 327 kapag kinabitan ng dvd player na nay built-in decoder ?. kailangan ko lang ng confirmation before ako sumugod sa raon.
yup confirm hiwahiwalay ang 327, yun ang ginagamit ko, wala nga lang am/fm tuner ito kaya 1k less than 387
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: arthurallanj on Apr 28, 2004 at 02:08 PM
ask ko lang po kung hiwa-hiwalay talaga yung audio ng 327 kapag kinabitan ng dvd player na nay built-in decoder ?. kailangan ko lang ng confirmation before ako sumugod sa raon.

I'm sure the Sakura av327, av377, av387 don't have decoders, I have seen in the catalog Sakuras that are Dolby Digital certified, but haven't seen it face to face. But, let's clarify something, there's a difference between decoders and processors. There are a lot of Sakuras that have processors like my av1600, and these 3, meron din daw, but I'm not sure kung licensed ang mga ito. My 1600 is dolby prologic certified. Just like the av1800. Now, the difference between a processor and a decoder is, a processor receives a certain signal and 'processes' it to come out different from the original signal, like dolby prologic, SRS, etc. while a decoder receives a certain encoded signal and breaks it down. Like dolby digital and DTS, it doesn't 'process' it. So, in closing, there are a lot of Sakuras that have processors, but I haven't seen Sakuras that have decoders, although nakita ko nga sa catalog lang. And those 3 mentioned above are definitely 5 discrete channel amps. Just to make sure there are no confusion of terms.  Ingat mga, bro. ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: sayad5 on Apr 28, 2004 at 04:49 PM
5 discrete channel .....
cool!   thanks
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: PenoyDVD on Apr 29, 2004 at 07:58 AM

I just visited the store na nakita ko dati ng 397 yesterday, sold out na sya at tinanong ko ulit ang price its, 5,600 daw yun out of stock as of now sino kaya yun nakabili taga PDVD kaya? :)


maybe di pa talagang released or di pa nila alam, dahil maraming shops sa raon ang di alam ang mga models ng sakura. For example 327, marami  shops ang di nakakaalam pati Knight Audio, Gets etc etc... hehehe :) 2 shops pa lang nakakaalam nito as of last 2 months hehehe :)



STAY AWAY from Plardin!!! manghihinayang ka lang hehehe nasa huli ang pagsisisi, MUNTIKAN ko na din bilhin yan dahil sa salestalk at logo niyang ac-3 dts, putik eh hindi naman e stereo lang yun. I audition all of its model and stereo lang
front and rear left input --> tumutunog ang front left, rear left and center sabay sabay
front and rear right input --> tumutunog ang front right, rear right and center ng sabay sabay
center  input --> tumutunog ang lahat ng speakers

hehehe tigas ng apog nilang maglagay ng AC-3 DTS na logo pa hahaha pero maganda may dating ang design nila ah hehehe

Bakit mo naisipan ang plardin? dahil nasa budget ka noh? Kung nasa budget ka you can get Sakura 327 for only P2,400 walang am/fm tuner, kung gusto mo ng am/fm tuner get Sakura 387 :)



thanks diahard.... next week bili nako ng SAKURA 387 sa raon... update ko na lang kayo
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: juneaki on Apr 29, 2004 at 08:30 AM


thanks diahard.... next week bili nako ng SAKURA 387 sa raon... update ko na lang kayo


Boy, you won't regret it. Good luck and welcome to the club.
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: arthurallanj on Apr 29, 2004 at 01:13 PM


Boy, you won't regret it. Good luck and welcome to the club.

yup, my first ever HT amp was a Sakura, and it was a great experience, I stll have it and am not willing to sell it despite having a Yamaha already. ;D
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: Maki on Apr 29, 2004 at 04:44 PM
makikitanong lang mga boss, yung sakura ba eh when u turn off the power of the unit, nagrereset yung volume? kasi this is what i dislike most sa konzert 500r na amp ko, everytime i'm gonna use it i have to manually set the volumes for the front, rear left, rear right and center... >:(
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: DaiHarD on Apr 29, 2004 at 09:16 PM
sa 327 ko center and rear ay hindi push button kundi tuning, so kung pinatay mo ay ganun pa din ang rear and center, pero sa front by default pagopen mo narereset sya to volume 28
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: juneaki on Apr 30, 2004 at 07:14 AM
Yung AV-377 ko ay ganon nga rin, na when you put it off, the volume resets to the minimum sound level. Pero sa akin, i think its not a problem, i believe it was made to function as such for a purpose like,say, to protect your speakers or the system itself.

What i did was, i memorized the sound level (yung ideal para sa akin) of the center and the surrounds in relation to the fronts so that whenever i put on the system, ia-adjust ko muna bago ako magsalang ng dvd/cd na panonoorin/pakikingan ko.

Just my two cents.
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: arthurallanj on Apr 30, 2004 at 10:47 AM
makikitanong lang mga boss, yung sakura ba eh when u turn off the power of the unit, nagrereset yung volume? kasi this is what i dislike most sa konzert 500r na amp ko, everytime i'm gonna use it i have to manually set the volumes for the front, rear left, rear right and center... >:(

My Sakura AV-1600 always powers on with the volume at 18, BUT, I never have to re-adjust the volumes for the other channels, nasa memory sya. Check mo kaya ang ibang Konzert amps, baka kasi may diperensya memory ng Konzert mo, but if ang ibang Konzert ganun din, sorrry.

Bro juneaki,

ang 377 ba ganyan pala? walang setting memory? Ang 387 kaya? Anybody? TIA.
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: Maki on Apr 30, 2004 at 02:11 PM
hmm ganun din ibang konzert na 500r eh, oh well, guess i'll  have to live with it =) may remote naman yung amp eh kaya medyo ok lang magadjust...thanks for the inputs
Title: Question about Sakura 327
Post by: Alfalfameister on May 04, 2004 at 11:50 AM
Guys, need help on something:

I attached my Nextbase 9000 to the Sakura. Main L+R, Surround L+R, Center. Everything works fine.

I attached my TV Output to the "tuner" Input. Also tried "VCD" and "AUX" inputs.

The problem:

When I watch DVDs, everything works fine. Main L+R comes from Main L+R. No problem there.

When I watch TV, the sound comes from the Center channel, and the two SURROUND channels. I prefer sound to come from my two bigger speakers in front.

Besides, it's kinda weird watching TV, and the sounds/dialogue/music comes from speakers that are behind me.

Why are the "Tuner", "VCD", and "AUX" inputs like that? (i.e., engaging the surrounds + center instead of the two main speakers)

Thanks for any help.
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: av_phile1 on May 04, 2004 at 12:54 PM
Interesting.  Possible kaya nabaligtad ng Sakura yung internal input connections for Main and surround for their 2-ch sources?   
Title: Re: Question about Sakura 327
Post by: arthurallanj on May 04, 2004 at 12:58 PM
Guys, need help on something:

I attached my Nextbase 9000 to the Sakura. Main L+R, Surround L+R, Center. Everything works fine.

I attached my TV Output to the "tuner" Input. Also tried "VCD" and "AUX" inputs.

The problem:

When I watch DVDs, everything works fine. Main L+R comes from Main L+R. No problem there.

When I watch TV, the sound comes from the Center channel, and the two SURROUND channels. I prefer sound to come from my two bigger speakers in front.

Besides, it's kinda weird watching TV, and the sounds/dialogue/music comes from speakers that are behind me.

Why are the "Tuner", "VCD", and "AUX" inputs like that? (i.e., engaging the surrounds + center instead of the two main speakers)

Thanks for any help.

Bro,
Troubleshooting lang ha? Try mo kya ikabit ang stereo output ng dvd mo sa either tuner, vcd, or aux and play an audio cd, pag ganun pa rin, then sa amp na talaga ang problema. Pag hindi, pag na process sya ng prologic(I'm assuming your amp has a prologic processor), then maayos ang tunog, at wala na yung vocals sa rear channels, then this means ang audio ng tv source mo ang may problema. Baka ang audio signal ng broadcast program is in mono, and this is how your amp processes such signals. Ako dati meron ding mumurahing Sakura that only splits the stereo signal into 5 channels, but it doesn't actually process it. Update us ha? Good luck! ;)
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: juneaki on May 04, 2004 at 01:25 PM
Interesting.  Possible kaya nabaligtad ng Sakura yung internal input connections for Main and surround for their 2-ch sources?   

I agree with av_phile1, posibleng may error sa connection.

The way you described it, naka-on yung three channel logic function (kung meron) ng sakura mo. I-try mo kaya i-off, meaning you try two channel stereo option. Kung sa surround lumabas ang sound, talagang yung sakura ang may mali.
Title: Sakura 327 error?
Post by: Alfalfameister on May 04, 2004 at 05:09 PM
Okay, here's what I did:

I connected the L+R output of my Nextbase to "tuner" (and I also tried "aux") input of the Sakura and played an audio CD...

RESULT:

Music was being played on 2 rear channels AND center channel. Additionally, even with the volume set at 02 (default of the Sakura is 28), parang it was so damn loud!

Next, I connected the L+R output of my Nextbase to the AC-3 (DVD) input of the Sakura.

RESULT:

Audio CD played fine with output on the main L+R speakers, and no center channel output (as there really shouldn't be anyway, since this is a stereo CD, and the amp has no processor/decoder anyway).

I'm too lazy to go to Raon. I know it's under warranty (even if I did buy it from jmigs, another poster here in pinoydvd -- I have original receipt and all that anyway). I think I'll tinker with it. Anyway, not that I'm dissing it, it's just P2,400.

The manual has the electric diagram, so maybe an electronic friend can start swinging his soldering gun... But, before I go that route, any suggestions? (Going to Raon is one, but dang the hassle of it all!) :)
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: DaiHarD on May 05, 2004 at 08:35 AM
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Guys, need help on something:

I attached my Nextbase 9000 to the Sakura. Main L+R, Surround L+R, Center. Everything works fine.

I attached my TV Output to the "tuner" Input. Also tried "VCD" and "AUX" inputs.

The problem:

When I watch DVDs, everything works fine. Main L+R comes from Main L+R. No problem there.

When I watch TV, the sound comes from the Center channel, and the two SURROUND channels. I prefer sound to come from my two bigger speakers in front.

Besides, it's kinda weird watching TV, and the sounds/dialogue/music comes from speakers that are behind me.

Why are the "Tuner", "VCD", and "AUX" inputs like that? (i.e., engaging the surrounds + center instead of the two main speakers)

Thanks for any help.

Bro, normal lang yan ganun din ang akin, may 4 na input yan DVD, AUX, TUNER, VCD
DVD - 5 discreet channel sound
AUX, TUNER, VCD --> Stereo

Ganun din ang ginawa ko, from tv sound output nakakabit sa aux input etc, minsan kasi kung magandang palabas ino-on ko ang amp ko para masarap manuod hahaha, kung naka tv mode or aux mode ako, lahat ng speaker ko gumagana, parang sa Rongxn 89DV dba meron itong vcd/dvd or 2 channel/5channel selector, kung nakapoint sya sa vcd/2channel ay lahat ng speakers gagana. Sa dvd/5channel tsaka lang sya discreet sound

so the best solution kung manunuod ka ng tv at gusto mo front speakers lang at walang lalabas sa rear and center ay sobrang simple lang, turn off the volume of your center and surround volume, then the main volume lakasan mo na lang. That will solve your problem.

Bakit ito ganito? dahil wala namang built-in decoder itong sakura but for the price of 2,400 satisfied na ako for each price, besides its the only 5 DISCREET CHANNEL AMPLIFIER in the market that falls under the range of 2k++, sa ibang brand na 2k++ lang puros stereo lang hehehe  ;D
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: fierari on May 05, 2004 at 08:25 PM
tanung lang po...........


yung 327 ba na cocontrol yung SL at SR independently? or rear control lang?



wala ba talaga silang difference sa 387  maliban sa FM? kahit looks preho din?

tnx!

mga brother sa rongxin susunod ako sa yapak nyo hehehhe
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: DaiHarD on May 05, 2004 at 09:35 PM
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tanung lang po...........


yung 327 ba na cocontrol yung SL at SR independently? or rear control lang?



wala ba talaga silang difference sa 387  maliban sa FM? kahit looks preho din?
rear control lang ang 327 kung 5.1 na setup lang ang kailangan mo ok na ito dahil stereo naman ito  :)
 
actually 377 halos parehas sa 387 :) Syempre mas mura ang 327 may pagkakaiba ito ang rear and center volume nito at de pihit at hindi remote, this is highly recomended for budget type person hehehe
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: Alfalfameister on May 05, 2004 at 10:02 PM


so the best solution kung manunuod ka ng tv at gusto mo front speakers lang at walang lalabas sa rear and center ay sobrang simple lang, turn off the volume of your center and surround volume, then the main volume lakasan mo na lang. That will solve your problem.

Bakit ito ganito? dahil wala namang built-in decoder itong sakura but for the price of 2,400 satisfied na ako for each price, besides its the only 5 DISCREET CHANNEL AMPLIFIER in the market that falls under the range of 2k++, sa ibang brand na 2k++ lang puros stereo lang hehehe  ;D

Well, that is one solution nga. Which means, there's nothing wrong with the wiring of the sakura amp.

However, the problem is that naka-set na ang surround and center channels ko. Di bale -- I'll just mark it with a pen na lang. But again another problem: my significant other can't and won't fiddle around with settings, so it is indeed a hassle.

Well, for 2K+, what do you expect nga. I'll wait na lang to get my Harman Kardon... :)
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: ryn0128 on May 06, 2004 at 07:52 AM
are these sakura amps comparable pagdating sa quality ng magnum amps, konzert and other locally made amps? im planning to buy kasi a 2 channel magnum amp just for my bass shakers, nag dadalawang isip ako baka bumigay kagad pero kung kasing tibay ng sakura bibilin ko na. thanks
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: arthurallanj on May 06, 2004 at 10:25 AM
are these sakura amps comparable pagdating sa quality ng magnum amps, konzert and other locally made amps? im planning to buy kasi a 2 channel magnum amp just for my bass shakers, nag dadalawang isip ako baka bumigay kagad pero kung kasing tibay ng sakura bibilin ko na. thanks

Bro,
Just my opinion ha? But I think mas maganda ang quality ng Sakura on some of their models. Please check for the impedance of the bass shakers, kasi if mismatched, masusunog ang amp mo. This has happened to me already. TC. ;)
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: DaiHarD on May 07, 2004 at 08:29 AM
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Well, that is one solution nga. Which means, there's nothing wrong with the wiring of the sakura amp.

However, the problem is that naka-set na ang surround and center channels ko. Di bale -- I'll just mark it with a pen na lang. But again another problem: my significant other can't and won't fiddle around with settings, so it is indeed a hassle.

Well, for 2K+, what do you expect nga. I'll wait na lang to get my Harman Kardon...
Yeah mark it na lang hehehe, what I did is to put 2 label stickers each, 1 for Dolby mode and the other for DTS mode hehehe :) para di na ako mahirapan magset  ;D

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are these sakura amps comparable pagdating sa quality ng magnum amps, konzert and other locally made amps? im planning to buy kasi a 2 channel magnum amp just for my bass shakers, nag dadalawang isip ako baka bumigay kagad pero kung kasing tibay ng sakura bibilin ko na. thanks
Sakura rules!!! Pero mas maganda ang tunog ang 2 channel Mantext ko dati wala nga lang super bass mode. How much do your bass shakers cost?
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: ryn0128 on May 08, 2004 at 12:11 AM
got it for 950less discounts....mga 850
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: sayad5 on May 08, 2004 at 11:14 AM
boss ryn0128 - saan mo nabili yung bass shakers?
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: ryn0128 on May 10, 2004 at 12:59 AM
 sa dai-ichi megamall pare.
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: Yahoo! on May 20, 2004 at 01:08 PM
question po mga sirs.  bakit po ganun yung AV-387 ko, gumaganda lang yung ganda ng bayo ng bass kapag yung volume is naka-set  sa 50db and below.  this was also the case when paired with Rongxin 89DV, right now I'm using Wharf 8.4, 8.2 and center.  may solusyon po ba ito?  ???
upgrade po ba?  ;D
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: av_phile1 on May 20, 2004 at 03:18 PM
Usually, with most receivers/amps, I observe a thinning of the bass as you go down in volume.  I think that has something to do with the way the human ear responds to bass at low levels.  And the amp's loudness switch is supposed to compensate for that by boosting bass at low volumes. 

In your case, did I get it right the opposite is true? 
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: Yahoo! on May 20, 2004 at 04:41 PM
actually sir av_phile1, medyo biglaan yung pag-boost ng bass nya when the volume was set to 50.  I don't know if this is also being experienced by the other Sakura owners.
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: juneaki on May 21, 2004 at 10:29 AM
question po mga sirs.  bakit po ganun yung AV-387 ko, gumaganda lang yung ganda ng bayo ng bass kapag yung volume is naka-set  sa 50db and below.  this was also the case when paired with Rongxin 89DV, right now I'm using Wharf 8.4, 8.2 and center.  may solusyon po ba ito?  ???
upgrade po ba?  ;D

Mine is AV-377, yung sinundan ng AV-387. My experience is, at low volume ay mukhang mahina nga ang bass (i'm using a DTX bookshelf speaker as front). What i'm doing is just put on the superbass function of the Sakura whenever i'm not using the active sub. I'm sure meron din ganitong option ang Sakura mo, just have it enable, i believe it will help.

Another thing is that, Wharfedale diamond speakers, according to my readings of the same thread in the speaker section, ay mahirap talagang paawitin lalo na kung bago pa. Wharfedale accordingly requires really powerfull amplification.  My suggestion is to have your speakers bi-wired (please read the manual of your speakers). Kung sa palagay mo ay bitin pa rin, have your speakers tweaked by sir Anthony.
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: Yahoo! on May 21, 2004 at 11:42 AM
thanks sir juneaki.  meron nga din superbass function kaso medyo mahina talaga eh siguro I really have to add a sub, i'm thinking of US Audio 512L, any reviews for this one?  Is this a good buy for Php 8,800.00? How does this compare to the DTX?
i'll try to bi-wire this weekend and i'll also try to connect a dai-ichi BK-10a, kaso bago din sir sabay lang sila nung diamonds.

thanks.
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: arthurallanj on May 21, 2004 at 01:57 PM
thanks sir juneaki.  meron nga din superbass function kaso medyo mahina talaga eh siguro I really have to add a sub, i'm thinking of US Audio 512L, any reviews for this one?  Is this a good buy for Php 8,800.00? How does this compare to the DTX?
i'll try to bi-wire this weekend and i'll also try to connect a dai-ichi BK-10a, kaso bago din sir sabay lang sila nung diamonds.

thanks.

IMHO, USAudio subs are more musical, DTXs are better for HT, but that's just me. That price is kinda high. I can get a DTX 4.12 for 7,900-5%, and a DTX 4.15, Take note, that's a 15-incher sub, for 8,200-5% from Moses Aaron. That's at 623 G. Puyat, Quiapo. Tel. No. 7354390. Look for Mike. ;D
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: Yahoo! on May 21, 2004 at 04:37 PM
sir art, galing na ako dun last Tuesday night, kilalang-kilala ka nga dun eh. sorry sir ha, nag-name drop ako sa kanila without your permission.  :-\
anyway, dun dapat ako bibili nung dai-ichi BK-10a kaso wala silang stock, hinanap ko nga si Mike eh kaso wala daw dun so yung saleslady ang nag-assist sa kin. ang ibinibigay sa kin na unit was yung display nila so syempre ayoko nun kaya nag-ikut-ikot muna din ako kasi I'm also looking for a Yaden AVR.  Nung may nabili na akong AVR, sa Knight audio ako napadpad.  ibinigay sa kin yung BK-10a nang 100 pesos lower from Moses so kinuha ko na and medyo hassle din naman ang pagbitbit kung sa Moses ko kukuhanin since sa taxi ko lang isasakay yung package. 
try ko ulit sir sa Moses this weekend and kung bibigyan nila ako ng 5% discount so sa kanila na ako kukuha but first audition ko muna sa Dai-Ichi showroom kung alin ang mas bagay sa pandinig ko.

thanks...
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: arthurallanj on May 22, 2004 at 12:05 PM
sir art, galing na ako dun last Tuesday night, kilalang-kilala ka nga dun eh. sorry sir ha, nag-name drop ako sa kanila without your permission.  :-\
anyway, dun dapat ako bibili nung dai-ichi BK-10a kaso wala silang stock, hinanap ko nga si Mike eh kaso wala daw dun so yung saleslady ang nag-assist sa kin. ang ibinibigay sa kin na unit was yung display nila so syempre ayoko nun kaya nag-ikut-ikot muna din ako kasi I'm also looking for a Yaden AVR.  Nung may nabili na akong AVR, sa Knight audio ako napadpad.  ibinigay sa kin yung BK-10a nang 100 pesos lower from Moses so kinuha ko na and medyo hassle din naman ang pagbitbit kung sa Moses ko kukuhanin since sa taxi ko lang isasakay yung package. 
try ko ulit sir sa Moses this weekend and kung bibigyan nila ako ng 5% discount so sa kanila na ako kukuha but first audition ko muna sa Dai-Ichi showroom kung alin ang mas bagay sa pandinig ko.

thanks...

Okay lang yun, bro. Magkano ba kuha mo ng BK-10? Kasi sobra pa siguro sa 100 ang mababawas if you get a 5% discount. Si Mike kasi is kinda authorized to give that discount kasi bayaw nya ang may-ari e, the others, kelangan pa magpaalam. Anyway, have fun, especially sa auditioning part. ;D
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: Yahoo! on Jun 02, 2004 at 04:26 PM
I got the BK-10 for Php 3,500.  Til now, I am not able to audition the subs,  Sunday na lagi ako nakakapunta eh.  Ikaw ba sir nakakuha nung US Audio521L MK2 sa buy & sell? Saw your post eh, Php 8,800 kasi yung brand new so I think it would be OK na for the asking price and besides dalawa naman yung sub nung seller kaya in excellent condition pa siguro. 

thanks.
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: arthurallanj on Jun 03, 2004 at 11:19 AM
I got the BK-10 for Php 3,500.  Til now, I am not able to audition the subs,  Sunday na lagi ako nakakapunta eh.  Ikaw ba sir nakakuha nung US Audio521L MK2 sa buy & sell? Saw your post eh, Php 8,800 kasi yung brand new so I think it would be OK na for the asking price and besides dalawa naman yung sub nung seller kaya in excellent condition pa siguro. 

thanks.

Yup, bro, ako nga. Hinihintay ko na lang na dumating, nasa Bacolod kasi ako e. Napadala na ni rjay nung Tuesday. These days kasi I wanna hear different subs para lumawak naman ang knowledge ko about them and know the differences in performance. I also recently acquired a Dynaquest DQ12 from allyson. I am now about to have 3 different subs at home, a Daiichi ASW10DR, a Dynaquest DQ12, and a USAudio 512MK2 once it arrives. I asked Mike at Moses Aaron, the 512 is priced at 7,900 sa kanila, w/o discount pa daw. You know, I actually am unsure what the BK10 looks like, but I hope you enjoy it a lot. I'm only saving some money for one more sub, the sub where I've set my limits at, a DTX 4.15. Pero, unahin ko muna at least 2 pairs of DTX 9.5 Bookshelves. Sayang, sarado ang Moses Aaron on Sundays. Ingat, bro. :)
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: Yahoo! on Jun 03, 2004 at 11:37 AM
Thanks.  Sayang, may pambili pa sana ako ng DTX 9.5T after the sub ni sir rjay.  Php 7,900 sa Moses, so kung less 5% pa it will be Php 7,500 na lang.  I also saw DQ12 in Park Square when i bought some banana plugs. The price tag is Php 5,700, I don't know kung may discount pa.  Sir pa-update naman how does each perform against each other when your new one arrives.  enjoy...
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: venom3073 on Jun 20, 2004 at 08:26 PM
Question po, Newbie lang me and I want sana to buy a 5.1 Amplifier, what is the diff of the Sakura 327 and the Sakura 387? do you have pics of both units??? Thanks!
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: juneaki on Jun 21, 2004 at 11:19 AM
Question po, Newbie lang me and I want sana to buy a 5.1 Amplifier, what is the diff of the Sakura 327 and the Sakura 387? do you have pics of both units??? Thanks!

I think the 327 is just a 5 channel power amplifier while the 387 is a 5.1 channel receiver with am/fm tuner built-in with remote commander.
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: arthurallanj on Jun 21, 2004 at 01:32 PM
thanks sir juneaki.  meron nga din superbass function kaso medyo mahina talaga eh siguro I really have to add a sub, i'm thinking of US <a href="http://www.ntsearch.com/search.php?q=Audio&v=56">Audio</a> 512L, any reviews for this one?  Is this a good buy for Php 8,800.00? How does this compare to the DTX?
i'll try to bi-wire this weekend and i'll also try to connect a dai-ichi BK-10a, kaso bago din sir sabay lang sila nung <a href="http://www.ntsearch.com/search.php?q=diamonds&v=56">diamonds</a>.

thanks.

Bro,

At that price, why not go for a DTX 4.15, or any 15 incher sub from daiichi for that matter. To my knowledge, the DTX 4.15 costs 8,200 less 5% at Moses Aaron, yung 4.12 is 7,900 less 5% din. I think what I'm really trying to tell you is the price you got is a bit mahal. I think you could get the 512 at around the same price of the 4.12. But, I personally like the 4.12 better than the 512. I have the 512, I already auditioned the 4.12.  ;D
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: venom3073 on Jun 23, 2004 at 01:36 AM
Question po, amplified din ba ung subs nya?
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: juneaki on Jun 23, 2004 at 08:42 AM
Question po, amplified din ba ung subs nya?

No, the ".1" in the 5.1 pertains to the preout para sa subwoofer. You still need an active/powered subwoofer to hear the LFE sounds. But for a starter, Sakura AV-387 is good. (You have pm.)
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: Yahoo! on Jun 23, 2004 at 11:12 AM
Bro,

At that price, why not go for a DTX 4.15, or any 15 incher sub from daiichi for that matter. To my knowledge, the DTX 4.15 costs 8,200 less 5% at Moses Aaron, yung 4.12 is 7,900 less 5% din. I think what I'm really trying to tell you is the price you got is a bit mahal. I think you could get the 512 at around the same price of the 4.12. But, I personally like the 4.12 better than the 512. I have the 512, I already auditioned the 4.12.  ;D
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thanks sir art...
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: rsuello on Jun 23, 2004 at 11:26 AM

hey! saan kaya ako makabili ng AV-387 here in Cebu? thanks!
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: arthurallanj on Jun 23, 2004 at 02:04 PM

hey! saan kaya ako makabili ng AV-387 here in Cebu? thanks!

If you're interested, I could have my friend in raon ship you an AV-387. PM me for details.
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: venom3073 on Jun 24, 2004 at 02:23 AM
Any Idea How much  is the Sakura 387? Coz I went to raon last saturday and all of them sells it for 3700, i saw in one of the threads that it only costs 3380... Can you suggest a shop in Raon???? Thanks!
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: arthurallanj on Jun 24, 2004 at 03:20 PM
Any Idea How much  is the Sakura 387? Coz I went to raon last saturday and all of them sells it for 3700, i saw in one of the threads that it only costs 3380... Can you suggest a shop in Raon???? Thanks!

Moses Aaron. Along G. Puyat st. Near Metrobank.
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: arthurallanj on Jun 26, 2004 at 12:58 PM
Recently asked Mike for the price of a Sakura AV387 these days, tumaas na nga daw, 3,685 na daw sa kanila ngayon. Sorry, guys. :(
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: johndoe on Jul 07, 2004 at 01:53 AM
ano difference nito sa 377? 8)
Title: my web site ba ang sakura
Post by: armined on Jul 07, 2004 at 01:37 PM
mga tol, pre, sir, boss my web site ba ang SAKURA
Title: Re: my web site ba ang sakura
Post by: av_phile1 on Jul 08, 2004 at 09:12 AM
I did a google search last year.  But the site returned Sakura Systems - a company with  expensive  hi-end esoteric lineup called 47 labs.  Nothing to do with the sakura amps and receivers we know. 
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: arthurallanj on Jul 09, 2004 at 01:07 PM
ano difference nito sa 377? 8)

Just the power, I think. The 387 has a higher power rating than the 377.  :)
Title: Sakura Amps in Cebu
Post by: rsuello on Jul 19, 2004 at 08:26 AM

last saturday (71704), i visited a store which has a lot of Sakura amps! it is located near LandBank P. Del Rosario... it is just at the steps of the skywalk (uncovered)...
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: arthurallanj on Jul 19, 2004 at 11:28 AM
That's great, bro. I'm happy for you. Sana meron sila dyang 387 or at least 377. We also have stores here in Bacolod that sell Sakura amps, kaya lang walang 387 or 377. We can also order them kaya lang ang laki ng patong nila, mas mura pa rin pag sa Manila ako nag-order even with shipping charges. Good day. ;)
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: vircor on Jul 24, 2004 at 02:21 PM
Mga bro, question lang, ano ba high end model ng Sakura? saan ba gawa ito?

Request lang baka pwede magpost na din kayo pics ng mga Sakura nyo. TIA!

 ;D ;D
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: Hot Mama on Jul 26, 2004 at 03:51 PM
Where can I get Sakura 387 in Mandaluyong/Makati Area? I am really interested inthis amp.

Thanks all.
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: vircor on Aug 05, 2004 at 04:56 PM
I've few questions on Sakura-387:

1.) Meron bang Bass Management?
2.) Is the volume of the sub can be controlled thru the master volume?
3.) Hindi ba kinakapos kung all channels driven in terms of power ouput and sound quality?
4.) Generally, ok ba tuner reception?
5.) Ok ba heat dissepation n'ya? Yung mga connectors hindi ba kalawangin?
6.) Yung remote ano ba controlled n'ya (tuner,volume,etc.)? Kumusta response?

Tenkyu mga bro. I'm leaning kasi in getting this for my brother for his starter/budget setup, or probably sa akin din for a separate setup and I would like to know first your comments and inputs on this particular model.

Aprub din kaya setup with all dtx speakers? TIA. :)
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: Chito C. on Aug 18, 2004 at 03:23 PM
Almost bought a sakura 387 at raon last sunday P3.5K pero backed out as i remember seeing a yamaha rxv-440 at shangrila mall worth P13.5k, 6 mos. 0% interest. Need help in choosing between the two. Other than the price, what would make me consider buying the sakura 387. Gonna use it mostly for movies.
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: av_phile1 on Aug 18, 2004 at 03:28 PM
Well, if you can afford the Yamaha on those credit terms, I'd advise that you get it.  Its digital processing features won't disappoint. 
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: Chito C. on Aug 18, 2004 at 03:58 PM
I'm just looking for a good reason not to buy the yamaha and go instead for sakura. sayang kasi yung 10K eh pero ayaw ko din na ma disappoint with sakura if I buy it.
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: lance on Aug 18, 2004 at 04:21 PM
I'm just looking for a good reason not to buy the yamaha and go instead for sakura. sayang kasi yung 10K eh pero ayaw ko din na ma disappoint with sakura if I buy it.

If you already have a good pair of speakers, then the yamaha is for you. as other said its digital processing wont disppoint you. but if you dont have, then go for sakura, and buy a good front speakers. i just think sakura use for movies only will give you a viewing pleasure as what yamaha can give you.  :)
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: lance on Aug 18, 2004 at 04:25 PM
I'm just looking for a good reason not to buy the yamaha and go instead for sakura. sayang kasi yung 10K eh pero ayaw ko din na ma disappoint with sakura if I buy it.

one more thing pa pla dre, nag start ka na sa hobby na to. so maybe papunta ka na rin sa mga nilalakaran namin dito. Karamihan dito may hiwalay na system for audio and movies. if you go for sakura. then yung ma sa save mo na 10k itabi mo lang muna. ilang months lang bibili ka na ng bagong amp or speakers that is good in listening with music.  :)
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: Chito C. on Aug 18, 2004 at 05:16 PM
Thanks guys. Actually naghahanda na ako. I have a pair of large speakers from my sony mini component (dual woofer hybrid) with surround speakers. I also have a pair of pioneer speakers (mini compo) bought 7 years ago. My brother who upgraded his home theater setup gave me a set of bose accousticmass 3 ata tawag dun (A pair of sattelites connected to a passive subwoofer). Just this afternoon I forced myself to buy a center daichi speaker. Active subwoofer next time nalang kasi malakas na yung bass ng sony speaker and/or bose set ko kaya forced na talaga ako bumili ng receiver eh. My sony speakers nga pala sounds better than the bose set, ewan ko lang kung dahil yung mini como ko ng sony ang gamit ko as ampli.
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: arthurallanj on Aug 19, 2004 at 11:20 AM
Bro, my concern would actually be your desire to upgrade later. Believe me, the desire would come sooner or later. Buying the yamaha would enable you to go digital, the sakura won't. The sakura can just satisy, but the yamaha would definitely overwhelm, especially for someaone who's just starting. Believe me, bro, I have both  a sakura and a yamaha, the sakura won't disappoint for it's price. But it would be better to go digital. Dolby DIGITAL, DTS(DIGITAL Theater Systems)..... The word for the day, DIGITAL....
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: Chito C. on Aug 19, 2004 at 11:24 AM
thanks for the advise. I'll probably buy the yammy.
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: arthurallanj on Aug 19, 2004 at 11:40 AM
I presently have the DSP-AX430, I also want to have the 440, but medyo kapos pa ako ngayon e, and I don't wanna give up my 430. Congrats. ;D
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: fierari on Aug 19, 2004 at 12:57 PM
thanks for the advise. I'll probably buy the yammy.


have you tried looking at the harman kardon avr line up? hehehhe
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: backdraft on Sep 02, 2004 at 11:32 PM
Sirs, I know for a fact that sakura amps doesn't have any internal DTS and DD decoders. If i'll be using a nextbase DVD player with the built in decoders, what would be the connections to experience DTS. Can somebody show me the connections to make. And one more thing, i have a JBL PRO III speakers and I'm planning to make it my rear speakers with the DTX slim series for the fronts, are the JBL's compatible with the Sakura? Specs below...


-   Recommended Power Amplifier Range: 10 - 100 watts
• Nominal Impedance: 4 ohms
• Woofer: 5" high polymer laminate
• Tweeter: 1" pure titanium
• Frequency Response: 65Hz - 27kHz
• Crossover Frequency(ies): 3kHz
• Sensitivity: 87dB (1 watt/1 meter)

thanks.
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: backdraft on Sep 04, 2004 at 04:40 AM
bump...
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: arthurallanj on Sep 04, 2004 at 09:08 AM
Sirs, I know for a fact that sakura amps doesn't have any internal DTS and DD decoders. If i'll be using a nextbase DVD player with the built in decoders, what would be the connections to experience DTS. Can somebody show me the connections to make. And one more thing, i have a JBL PRO III speakers and I'm planning to make it my rear speakers with the DTX slim series for the fronts, are the JBL's compatible with the Sakura? Specs below...


-   Recommended Power Amplifier Range: 10 - 100 watts
• Nominal Impedance: 4 ohms
• Woofer: 5" high polymer laminate
• Tweeter: 1" pure titanium
• Frequency Response: 65Hz - 27kHz
• Crossover Frequency(ies): 3kHz
• Sensitivity: 87dB (1 watt/1 meter)

thanks.

Technically, at that impedance and sensitivity(or the lack of it), medyo mahihirapan ang Sakura, which are usually rated at 8 ohms lang. But since for surrounds lang naman sya medyo pwede, but i'd still suggest getting another, like maybe the DTX 9.5 bookshelf na rin lang to match your fronts. Just a suggestion though.

Now, with regards to the connections, you'd have to connect the 5.1 output of the dvd player to the 5.1 input of the Sakura. That means, having at least six RCA connectors. Maybe you can get two triple-RCA connnectors, but purchase good quality cables kahit generic lang, the ones that have like solid ring connectors. If your Sakura amp already has a bass out/sub out at the back, it may not be necessary to connect the sub out of the dvd player to the sub in of the amp. Make sure the 5.1 mode in your dvd's setup is activated. Then, I would also suggest connecting the main R and L of the dvd to a 2 channel input of the amp, like  the vcd/cd or aux input. The purpose of this is to be able to utilize the processor of the Sakura amp (assuming the model you have has one, i.e. Dolby Pro Logic) when playing 2 channel sources on your dvd player, that way, you can switch to dvd on the amp when watching dvds then switch to aux or vcd/cd when listening to 2 channel sources like cds or vcds. Hope I helped.  ;)
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: backdraft on Sep 04, 2004 at 11:33 PM
maraming salamat sir art, you've been very helpful  ;D


by the way, do you recommend a good but cheap SUB for the DTX-Sakura combo, and do i need one? does the dtx fronts produces enough bass? or i really do need a sub to get the punch.

thanks again!
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: arthurallanj on Sep 05, 2004 at 09:34 AM
The DTX 9.5 towers wouldn't give sufficient bass for HT. It has a smooth sounding bass, but you do need a sub. I would suggest getting the DTX 4.10/4.12 sub. The sub isn't one thing you would want to scrimp in your system. On a budget HT setup, this would probably be the most expensive. Try looking for a Daiichi ASW10DR if you still can, this is very inexpensive, but may have been discontinued, around 4K+, but is very well performing. But since this is a 4th order bandpass sub, it may produce seemingly powerful but inaccurate bass. A ported front firing sub would be better like the DTX 4.x series. You're welcome bro, glad to help.
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: fierari on Sep 06, 2004 at 08:40 PM
I presently have the DSP-AX430, I also want to have the 440, but medyo kapos pa ako ngayon e, and I don't wanna give up my 430. Congrats. ;D


nag iba na ba ang pananaw ni arthur ehehehhe  ;D
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: Chico on Sep 08, 2004 at 04:53 PM
what's the price of AV-387 now? can u suggest me other amplifier brands that is affordable and durable as sakura? preferably with am/fm tuner. lastly, i have a generic 2.1 speaker system, how can i determine if it's compatible with sakura av-387?

thanks.  ::)
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: arthurallanj on Sep 09, 2004 at 10:02 AM



nag iba na ba ang pananaw ni arthur ehehehhe  ;D

Nope, I still want a 440, naghihintay lang akong may magbenta. How 'bout you, bro? Nag iba na rin ba pananaw mo? Hehe. ;D
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: arthurallanj on Sep 09, 2004 at 10:09 AM
what's the price of AV-387 now? can u suggest me other amplifier brands that is affordable and durable as sakura? preferably with am/fm tuner. lastly, i have a generic 2.1 speaker system, how can i determine if it's compatible with sakura av-387?

thanks.  ::)

Last time I asked, almost 3.7K. Siguro sa generic branded amps, Sakura seems to be the most reliable esp. since they seem to be the only one with legit signal processing. We usually start by seeing the impedance ratings of both speakers and amp, the speakers should have a higher impedance or at least equal to the amp impedance. Hope I helped. ;)
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: Chico on Sep 09, 2004 at 01:09 PM
ic. so, if the speaker's impedance is >= ampli's, can i set the volume to its max level w no problem? what if ampli's >= speaker's impedance, anong puputok ampli o speaker? certainly, ur advice helps. thanks.
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: arthurallanj on Sep 10, 2004 at 11:16 AM
example: case 1: amp impedance-8 ohms, speaker impedance-4 ohms, the amp would operate at a higher temperature, making the possibility of burning your amp greater.

               case 2: amp impedance-4 ohms, speaker impedance-8 ohms, the amp would be able to drive the amp more sufficiently. If you crank up the volume way too high, there's a possibility you'd burn your speakers.

 ;D
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: Chico on Sep 10, 2004 at 01:17 PM
in case i got 'case 2',
[li]how would i know the ideal volume level for me to avoid having my speakers burned?[/li]

consider this:
Quote
Sakura Integrated Amplifier AV-377

Specification
Main channel power output (PMPO) - 250W+250W
Speaker impedance   - 4 to 16 ohms
Center channel power output (PMPO) - 50W
Speaker impedance   - 8 to 16 ohms
Surround power output (PMPO) - 50W+50W
Speaker impedance - 8 to 16 ohms
[li]do i need to consider per channel impedance when buying speakers?[/li]

bit confuse.

thanks!
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: Chito C. on Sep 10, 2004 at 02:23 PM
basta as much as possible huwag ka bibili ng speakers at 4 ohms at huwag mo masyadong lalakasan yung volume kapag mas mababa yung wattage ng speakers mo sa amp mo.
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: arthurallanj on Sep 10, 2004 at 02:50 PM
Bro chico,
Think of it this way, it's like attaching a smaller faucet to a large water line, malakas ang daloy ng tubig, di ba? But to my knowledge, Sakura amps have a protection circuit which shuts off audio output to all channels, I have a 1600 model which mutes when a speaker clips, you'd have to turn it off and on again for it to operate again. To prevent getting burned speakers, when the distortion starts to become apparent, that's where the limit should be. Also, the ideal power for an amp to drive a speaker should be 20% higher. That means if a speaker is rated at 100 Watts, it should ideally be driven by a 120 Watt amp, maybe that would give you an idea. I also think it's up to you if you choose to buy different speakers, but you still should base the impedance on what each channel on your amp can drive. The impedance at the main channels are just lower because main channel amps of Sakuras are usually more powerful than the other channels. Those specs only say that you have more options with the main channel speakers and less options with the other channels which are obviously weaker. But to make things easier for you, why not buy similar speakers? All of them having 8 ohm impedances? Again, just look at these as water lines and faucets. Hope I cleared up your confusion a bit.
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: arthurallanj on Sep 10, 2004 at 02:55 PM
Oh and aaah, if those are PMPOs, forget about them, make sure to consider RMS power ratings. :)
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: Chico on Sep 10, 2004 at 05:23 PM
thanks mga bros. i must saved some bucks here coz i get educated w/o enrolling in basic electronics. as  sen kiko pangilinan said "noted" ;D
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: backdraft on Sep 11, 2004 at 10:26 PM
So sir Arthur, from what i understand, it is safe to use Wharfedale Diamond 8 series rated at 20-150 W RMS at 6/8 Ohms with these Sakura., right? or am I wrong?

Maganda kaya ang combo na to?

Thanks! ;D



Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: backdraft on Sep 15, 2004 at 04:05 AM
So sir Arthur, from what i understand, it is safe to use Wharfedale Diamond 8 series rated at 20-150 W RMS at 6/8 Ohms with these Sakura., right? or am I wrong?

Maganda kaya ang combo na to?

Thanks! ;D





sir arthur? u here? hehehe
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: arthurallanj on Sep 15, 2004 at 04:35 PM
Sorry for the late reply ha? You got my PM already, right? Ingat, bro.
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: backdraft on Sep 16, 2004 at 11:07 AM
got it thanks. ;D
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: backdraft on Sep 23, 2004 at 06:38 AM
rust proof ba mga RCA connectors nito sa likod?

may kalawang ba mga RCA connectors nyo?

salamat.
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: arthurallanj on Sep 23, 2004 at 01:33 PM
rust proof ba mga RCA connectors nito sa likod?

may kalawang ba mga RCA connectors nyo?

salamat.

These are not rust proof, but are nickel/chrome plated. So I don't think you have to worry about rust unless you expose them to sun and rain, or if it makes contact with acids that would damage the plating on the terminals. Mine doesn't have rust on them.  :)
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: mojako on Sep 24, 2004 at 11:03 PM
whaaaaaa!! nasira yung sakura amp ko.. hassle...
san ko papagawa to?
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: markygail on Sep 25, 2004 at 12:08 AM
Guys,

balak ko bumili ng sakura 387, ask ko lang kung kaya ba niya i drive yung Wharfedale WH-2? or mahihirapan siya? ito yung may center and 2 rear surrounds na package. tapos yung fronts ko yung jvc component speakers namin at 6 ohms.  45hz- 20khz. power handling capacity is 80 watts.

tska balak ko sana yung jvc speakers namin kasi built-in siya sa component namin. puwede ko ba siya isaksak na lang sa rca ng front left and right ng dvd player ko? so meaning na yung sakura empty yung front left and right rca niya.  kaya gusto ko ganun eh para yung built in ampli ng jvc component namin mismo yung magdrive sa jvc speakers instead of the sakura. will that setup work sa 5.1? what are the downsides.

or kung may other options pa na speaker for my center and rears then pls suggest it.

pls help po

thanks



Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: arthurallanj on Sep 25, 2004 at 09:07 AM
I think the 387 can drive the WH2 just fine(these are good quality speakers), and even your jvc speakers. Wag mo lang masyadong lakasan ang bass ng fronts mo as it might burn those jvcs. What do you mean 'built-in sa component' bro? As in nakadikit sa amp/unit yung speakers? The front speakers should be at the sides of the TV kasi e. But wag mo masyadong ilapit sa sides if not shielded ang jvcs mo. With regards to channeling your front outs to another amp, I wouldn't suggest doing what you plan bro. I'm sure the Sakura and the JVC amp have different characteristics so they're gonna sound differently. It might also affect the sync of the signals. Dapat kasi sabay silang lahat when 'output'. It's best that all the speakers be driven by only one 5ch amp or the same non- 5ch amps. Think of it this way, it's like letting two different people carry the same load, one may carry it faster than the other, one may be stronger, the other may be weaker, they most probably would yield different results. And you wouldn't want that. HIH. ;)
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: markygail on Sep 25, 2004 at 10:12 AM
I think the 387 can drive the WH2 just fine(these are good quality speakers), and even your jvc speakers. Wag mo lang masyadong lakasan ang bass ng fronts mo as it might burn those jvcs. What do you mean 'built-in sa component' bro? As in nakadikit sa amp/unit yung speakers? The front speakers should be at the sides of the TV kasi e. But wag mo masyadong ilapit sa sides if not shielded ang jvcs mo. With regards to channeling your front outs to another amp, I wouldn't suggest doing what you plan bro. I'm sure the Sakura and the JVC amp have different characteristics so they're gonna sound differently. It might also affect the sync of the signals. Dapat kasi sabay silang lahat when 'output'. It's best that all the speakers be driven by only one 5ch amp or the same non- 5ch amps. Think of it this way, it's like letting two different people carry the same load, one may carry it faster than the other, one may be stronger, the other may be weaker, they most probably would yield different results. And you wouldn't want that. HIH. ;)


Pareho kasing 6ohms yung jvc speakers ko and yung WH2 kaya naisip ko na match sila. pero ang alam ko 50w lang ang center and rear ng sakura 387. eh diba 100w ang WH2? di naman kaya kalahati lang ng potential ng WH2 yung mailabas ng sakura?

what i mean na may built in amplifier yung jvc speakers ko is my speakers are connected sa jvc component namin. package ito nung binili namin. bale jvc component siya. so yung speakers nito ang gagawin kong fronts and WH2 as center and rear.

lower the bass of the fronts? pano yun sir? may setting ba ang sakura na puwede ibaba yung bass ng fronts? so pano kung sterero lang gusto ko? eh di mahina yung bass? bakit ba masusunog? kasi 6ohms siya kaya ganun? what about the WH2? diba 6ohms din? so masusunog din siya in case malakas ang bass? kung ganun nga. any other 8ohms speakers na puwede ko na lang bilhin? yung 5pcs na sana.

thanks sir for your reply sa mga questions ko pati sa kabilang thread.  ;)

Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: markygail on Sep 25, 2004 at 10:14 AM
OT: ok lang ba RG6 cable gamitin ko as my audio interconnect for the sakura? tapos terminated with a monster rca plug? or gastos lang yung pagkabit ng monster plug?
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: markygail on Sep 25, 2004 at 01:28 PM
oh... tska 50w lang yung center and rear ng sakura? ano yun? PMPO or RMS? kung PMPO, ilang watts lang talaga siya? kasi diba 100watts ang WH2. so pano yun? mas malakas ang power ng speaker sa amp. baka masunog.
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: torque on Sep 26, 2004 at 02:17 AM
oh... tska 50w lang yung center and rear ng sakura? ano yun? PMPO or RMS? kung PMPO, ilang watts lang talaga siya? kasi diba 100watts ang WH2. so pano yun? mas malakas ang power ng speaker sa amp. baka masunog.

bro, kaya ng sakura i-drive ang WH2, kung wharfe diamond 8c nga kaya syempre kaya din ang WH2. actually yung barkada ko (inactive pinoydvd member  ;))  gamit din sakura 377, his center and rear speakers are diamond center and dtx9.5 towers.
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: torque on Sep 26, 2004 at 02:21 AM
rust proof ba mga RCA connectors nito sa likod?

may kalawang ba mga RCA connectors nyo?

salamat.

2  1/2  years na ang av-377 ko pero wala naman akong napapansin na kalawang  ;D
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: markygail on Sep 26, 2004 at 09:49 AM


bro, kaya ng sakura i-drive ang WH2, kung wharfe diamond 8c nga kaya syempre kaya din ang WH2. actually yung barkada ko (inactive pinoydvd member  ;))  gamit din sakura 377, his center and rear speakers are diamond center and dtx9.5 towers.

hmmm....marami kasi akong nababasa dito na yung wharfs daw kailngan ng powerful amp para lumabas yung totoo niyang capabilities. but sa case ng friend mo ba ok naman ang clarity and detail ng wharfs niya using a sakura amp?

ok sana yung DTX 9.5 towers, kaya lang wala na kaming space sa sala namin kaya bookshelf speaker lang ang puwede ko maging front. ano ba ang affordable na bookshelf speakers to pair w/ the WH2 using a sakura amp?

tska ano ba dapat mas malakas? yung rear or yung fronts? kasi kung gagamitin ko as fronts yung jvc ko eh mukhang talo siya kasi .5" lang ang tweeter nito compared sa tweeters ng WH2 na 1.5".

Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: torque on Sep 26, 2004 at 12:07 PM


hmmm....marami kasi akong nababasa dito na yung wharfs daw kailngan ng powerful amp para lumabas yung totoo niyang capabilities. but sa case ng friend mo ba ok naman ang clarity and detail ng wharfs niya using a sakura amp?

ok sana yung DTX 9.5 towers, kaya lang wala na kaming space sa sala namin kaya bookshelf speaker lang ang puwede ko maging front. ano ba ang affordable na bookshelf speakers to pair w/ the WH2 using a sakura amp?

tska ano ba dapat mas malakas? yung rear or yung fronts? kasi kung gagamitin ko as fronts yung jvc ko eh mukhang talo siya kasi .5" lang ang tweeter nito compared sa tweeters ng WH2 na 1.5".



yup correct ka dyan bro kailangan talaga ng powerful amp like Harman Kardon para mapakanta ang Wharfe... clarity and detail? hmm...sakura-wharfe 8c medyo kulang sa kalansing pero bilog ang tunog ...pwede pang mag-improve ang sound ng wharfe kung pa-tweek kina nirvblakr.

bookshelf speaker? dtx9.5B or wharfe diamond 8.1 kasi naka WH2 ka na...later on pag nag-upgrade ka to 6.1  ;) set-up pwedeng center back na ang WH2 then bili ka ng 8c for center...hehehe ;D

yung front speaker dapat ang mas malakas...
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: markygail on Sep 26, 2004 at 03:11 PM
thanx bro.

ito kasing jvc speakers ko power rating niya 85watts(yun yung nakalagay sa likod). ewan ko lang kung PMPO yun or RMS.walang nakalagay eh. so mas malakas yung wharfedale 8.1 or DTX9.5B sa jvc ko?

ilang ohms ba yung DTX 9.5B? kung yun ang fronts ko tapos WH2 center and rear. match ba sila?
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: markygail on Sep 26, 2004 at 04:07 PM
guys,

ano gamit niyong interconnect sa dvd player and sakura niyo? balak ko kasi gamit ng rg6 cable terminated with monster rca plugs. ok ba yun? or a waste of money?
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: markygail on Sep 26, 2004 at 06:26 PM
check this out:

http://www.pbase.com/chino1328/image/27351304

that is a sakura 387. you can see that the the center and rear speakers  speakers impedance range is from 8ohms-16ohms. so pano nangyari na may mga gumagamit ng wharfedale speakers dito as rear/center eh 6ohms sila diba?pakiexplain naman. medyo nagdadalawang isip tuloy ako bumili ng wharfedale WH2.

Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: juneaki on Sep 27, 2004 at 09:05 AM
check this out:

http://www.pbase.com/chino1328/image/27351304

that is a sakura 387. you can see that the the center and rear speakers  speakers impedance range is from 8ohms-16ohms. so pano nangyari na may mga gumagamit ng wharfedale speakers dito as rear/center eh 6ohms sila diba?pakiexplain naman. medyo nagdadalawang isip tuloy ako bumili ng wharfedale WH2.



I used Sakura AV-377 (now AV-387) before. For fronts, i used wharfedale valdus 100 (4-8 ohms), wharfedale 8c (6 ohms) as center and dai-ichi cubes (4-8ohms) for surround. This combination worked for me and i believe the best sa budgetted entry level HT setup na with a good active subwoofer. How much more kung all wharfedale ang speakers mo.  Wharfedale diamond series, although 6 ohms ang nominal impedance nya ay compatible sa AVR na 8 ohms ang output.  You can read it sa manual na kasama nya.

Ang maganda sa AV-377 ay may separate volume control ang center, left surround at right surround.  Kung mahina ang center o ang surround compared sa fronts, you can adjust accordingly.
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: arthurallanj on Sep 27, 2004 at 11:06 AM
Matching isn't just based on impedance, it's primarily based in driver characteristics. Material, resonant frequencies, tone, etc. That's why it's much easier to use speakers made by the same manufacturer because they're bound to have the same timbre, especially if all the speakers in your system use the same drivers.

I was not worried about the Wharfes, I was worried about you JVCs, I knew your Wharfes can take it, but I'm not so sure about your JVCs, Sakuras usually have higher power ratings for the fronts so if it's going to burn any of your speakers, they're bound to be the fronts, and sa pagkakaalam ko kasi, most of the bass is driven to the fronts.

I think those ratings are RMS, and don't worry about the rating kasi most of the time, way lower naman dyan ang kelangan ng speakers to be driven e. No problem with Wharfedales, bro, they're gonna do just great for you. I'm just suggesting that it would be better if you also used Wharfedales for your fronts. The DTX 9.5 system is also great, mas mura pa.

It is also hard to base loudness sa power rating, it's more on the SPL. But let's not get into that.

Regarding impedance, it is more ideal to have the amp impedance be lower or at least equal to the speaker impedance, e.g. : Amp 6 Ohms, speaker 8 Ohms, than the other way around. The latter would cause the amp to operate at a higher temperature, but that doesn't mean na di nya kaya. Pretend those amps are water pipes and speakers are faucets. The lower the impedance, the bigger the pipe or faucet. So if your amp is like 6 Ohms and your speaker is like 8 Ohms, malakas ang flow ng tubig, right? but if it's the other way around, it's like fitting a bigger faucet than your water line, dadaloy pa rin ang tubig, but di na ganun kalakas ang pressure. Hope that enlightens you.  ;)
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: markygail on Sep 27, 2004 at 07:09 PM
Matching isn't just based on impedance, it's primarily based in driver characteristics. Material, resonant frequencies, tone, etc. That's why it's much easier to use speakers made by the same manufacturer because they're bound to have the same timbre, especially if all the speakers in your system use the same drivers.

I was not worried about the Wharfes, I was worried about you JVCs, I knew your Wharfes can take it, but I'm not so sure about your JVCs, Sakuras usually have higher power ratings for the fronts so if it's going to burn any of your speakers, they're bound to be the fronts, and sa pagkakaalam ko kasi, most of the bass is driven to the fronts.

I think those ratings are RMS, and don't worry about the rating kasi most of the time, way lower naman dyan ang kelangan ng speakers to be driven e. No problem with Wharfedales, bro, they're gonna do just great for you. I'm just suggesting that it would be better if you also used Wharfedales for your fronts. The DTX 9.5 system is also great, mas mura pa.

It is also hard to base loudness sa power rating, it's more on the SPL. But let's not get into that.

Regarding impedance, it is more ideal to have the amp impedance be lower or at least equal to the speaker impedance, e.g. : Amp 6 Ohms, speaker 8 Ohms, than the other way around. The latter would cause the amp to operate at a higher temperature, but that doesn't mean na di nya kaya. Pretend those amps are water pipes and speakers are faucets. The lower the impedance, the bigger the pipe or faucet. So if your amp is like 6 Ohms and your speaker is like 8 Ohms, malakas ang flow ng tubig, right? but if it's the other way around, it's like fitting a bigger faucet than your water line, dadaloy pa rin ang tubig, but di na ganun kalakas ang pressure. Hope that enlightens you.  ;)

bait mo talaga sir arthur. ;) salamat ng marami. yung jvc speakers baka ma out na sa list ng HT setup ko. pero ang papalit ko sa fronts ko DTX 9.5B siguro or wharf 8.1(depende sa budget kasi 2.3k lang per pair ng DTX).ok sana ang tower speakers ng DTX pero wala ng space. as in wala na so bookshelf speakers na lang. pero WH2 pa din ang center/rear ko. naastigan kasi ako sa WH2 eh.. lalo na yung rear. pero match ba sila ng DTX 9.5B? pakipost naman po mga sir ng complete specs ng DTX series para ma timbre match ko lang.

Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: markygail on Sep 27, 2004 at 07:16 PM
eto pa po mga bossing, can the sakura receive dd 5.1 and DTS signals kung may built in db 5.1 and DTS decoder yung player ko? or AC-3 lang? balak ko na interconnect to my player and the sakura is rg6 coax cable terminated with rca plugs.

player ko nga pala is philips 642k.
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: juneaki on Sep 28, 2004 at 08:17 AM
eto pa po mga bossing, can the sakura receive dd 5.1 and DTS signals kung may built in db 5.1 and DTS decoder yung player ko? or AC-3 lang? balak ko na interconnect to my player and the sakura is rg6 coax cable terminated with rca plugs.

player ko nga pala is philips 642k.

Yup. Since your player has dolby digital and DTS decoder built-in, all you need is just a DVD ready avr like Sakura. Your player has a six (5.1) channel outputs which you will connect to Sakura's six (5.1) channel inputs. Just hook them accordingly (center out of the player to center in of Sakura, right front out to right front in, and so on and so forth) and your HT set up is ready.  Enjoy watching.
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: markygail on Sep 28, 2004 at 04:39 PM


Yup. Since your player has dolby digital and DTS decoder built-in, all you need is just a DVD ready avr like Sakura. Your player has a six (5.1) channel outputs which you will connect to Sakura's six (5.1) channel inputs. Just hook them accordingly (center out of the player to center in of Sakura, right front out to right front in, and so on and so forth) and your HT set up is ready.  Enjoy watching.

sarap talaga dito sa pinoydvd. everyone is willing to lend a helping hand.  :D

salamat mga bossing.
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: arthurallanj on Sep 29, 2004 at 12:42 PM
eto pa po mga bossing, can the sakura receive dd 5.1 and DTS signals kung may built in db 5.1 and DTS decoder yung player ko? or AC-3 lang? balak ko na interconnect to my player and the sakura is rg6 coax cable terminated with rca plugs.

player ko nga pala is philips 642k.

Make sure that it does have a 5.1 output at the back bro, ha? Kasi when we say built in decoder, it means it can decode the digital signals and convert them to analog signals for amplification. If you find a 5.1 ch outpput at the back of your dvd player, then that's it, pag wala, you're going to need a digital amp. Just because the dvd player has the DD and DTS logos at the front, doesn't mean that it has a built in decoder. The Sakura 387 doesn't have a decoder, only a 5 channel amplifier.
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: markygail on Sep 29, 2004 at 08:26 PM


Make sure that it does have a 5.1 output at the back bro, ha? Kasi when we say built in decoder, it means it can decode the digital signals and convert them to analog signals for amplification. If you find a 5.1 ch outpput at the back of your dvd player, then that's it, pag wala, you're going to need a digital amp. Just because the dvd player has the DD and DTS logos at the front, doesn't mean that it has a built in decoder. The Sakura 387 doesn't have a decoder, only a 5 channel amplifier.

yup sir. may 5.1 outout yung dvd player ko. kumpleto front left/right, rear right/center, center, sub out.

nga pla, ask ko lang kung yung front left and right ba meaning the left and right of me facing the speakers? what about the rear left and right? sorry kung medyo may pagka nonsense yung question ko, just wanna make sure im doing the right way.
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: maglite on Sep 29, 2004 at 08:35 PM
mga sir, you can also check out Konzert AVR500-R model... this is a good option also. ;)
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: markygail on Sep 29, 2004 at 09:10 PM
mga sir, you can also check out Konzert AVR500-R model... this is a good option also. ;)

ok ng daw yang konzert kaya lang ive read in here na nagrereset yung volume pag pinatay mo yung unit. how true is this? and what does the AVR500-R have that sakura  387doesn't?
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: markygail on Sep 29, 2004 at 09:11 PM
mga sir, ive read here na may workaround kung pano makakasabay yung volume ng sub sa master volume. pls post it again here kung sin nakakaalam. thanks
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: arthurallanj on Sep 30, 2004 at 10:19 AM
Left meaning, your left when you're facing the tv, right, your right when facing the tv, for the rears, your left still when facing the tv, and  the same goes for the right.
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: markygail on Sep 30, 2004 at 07:02 PM
guys, pano nga pala makakasabay yung sound ng subwoofer dun sa overall volume? kindly post naman the process. my sub is a US Audio 512 MK2.
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: fnvillafuerte on Sep 30, 2004 at 08:06 PM
guys, pano nga pala makakasabay yung sound ng subwoofer dun sa overall volume? kindly post naman the process. my sub is a US Audio 512 MK2.

Simple solution my frend:  sa DVD player ka na lang mag-adjust ng volume... dala nun lahat ng channels ng Konzert mo, oo pati yung subwoofer!

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Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: markygail on Sep 30, 2004 at 08:43 PM


Simple solution my frend:  sa DVD player ka na lang mag-adjust ng volume... dala nun lahat ng channels ng Konzert mo, oo pati yung subwoofer!

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wala po sir volume control of any kind yung dvd player ko(philips 642k). this player lacks controls kasi. so ang option na lang is by wiring. baka may alam dito kung pano paki post po. thanks
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: arthurallanj on Oct 01, 2004 at 03:19 PM
guys, pano nga pala makakasabay yung sound ng subwoofer dun sa overall volume? kindly post naman the process. my sub is a US Audio 512 MK2.

You can do this by tapping into the speaker out of your amp. Bale instead of line out, sa speaker ka mag out. May speaker in na terminals ang 512, then speaker out papunta sa fronts mo. This is bound to work.  :)
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: markygail on Oct 01, 2004 at 06:43 PM


You can do this by tapping into the speaker out of your amp. Bale instead of line out, sa speaker ka mag out. May speaker in na terminals ang 512, then speaker out papunta sa fronts mo. This is bound to work.  :)


sir, di ko magets. paki simplify naman po.
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: arthurallanj on Oct 02, 2004 at 12:25 PM
Di ba, presently, ang front speakers nakakabit sa likod ng amp mo? Ngayon, ikabit mo ang sub sa amp. I-konek mo ang speaker wires na galing sa amp to your sub, then get another pair of speaker wires to connect your fronts to the speaker out of your sub. Bale, amp speaker out to sub speaker in, then sub speaker out to front speakers. Ayos?  ;D
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: markygail on Oct 02, 2004 at 06:33 PM
sir, i think you are referring to the line level input via RCA. ive tried it already. i connected the front speaker out to the subs line in and connected the subs line out to the line in of the amp. it doesn't work. the subs volume is still stagnant.

any other workaround sir? if you are referring to the high level strategy how can it be done? because i find high level confusing. sorry sir if i can't absorb things as fast as other people can. its just that i just want to make things clear before i do something. baka kasi bigla na lang masunog yung speaker ko and stuff like that. im a newbie pa kasi so i need all the help i can get. syensya na po.
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: arthurallanj on Oct 03, 2004 at 07:30 PM
sir, i think you are referring to the line level input via RCA. ive tried it already. i connected the front speaker out to the subs line in and connected the subs line out to the line in of the amp. it doesn't work. the subs volume is still stagnant.

any other workaround sir? if you are referring to the high level strategy how can it be done? because i find high level confusing. sorry sir if i can't absorb things as fast as other people can. its just that i just want to make things clear before i do something. baka kasi bigla na lang masunog yung speaker ko and stuff like that. im a newbie pa kasi so i need all the help i can get. syensya na po.

It's like this, pretend that your sub is like any ordinary speaker. Check the connections of your sub unit, merong line level input and output, then meron din ng speaker level input and output. Dun mo dapat i-konek yung sub mo. Line level, meaning, di pa sya na-aamplify. Pag speaker or high level, that means amplified na yung signal. So, the only time na may masusunog, kung meron man, is kung i-kokonek mo yung high/speaker level output sa line level input. So make sure you don't do that. Yes, I'm actually referring you to go the high level strategy, because this seems to be the only way with amps that do not have a separate volume control for the sub volume, like sakura amps.

So, again, use regular speaker wires to connect your sub to your amp via speaker level. Remember! Speaker level out of the amp to speaker level in of the sub, then, speaker level out of the sub to the front speakers. That should be your connection. And it's bound to work. Di ka dapat matakot as long as the same ang input/output level ng connections mo. HIH. ;D
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: markygail on Oct 03, 2004 at 09:18 PM
Sir, it po yung di ko magets:


"Speaker level out of the amp to speaker level in of the sub"


.....Saang speaker level out po ba ng amp? kasi the only speaker out ng amp ko is the 5.1 channel lang(FR.FL,SR,SR and Center). wala ng iba. although meron ngang speaker level in and out yung sub ko. pareho lang po yung speaker level and high level diba? synonym lang sila. high level kasi yung nakalabel sa sub ko.

Tska if ever magawa ko itong high level process, puwede pa din ako gumamit ng line level?


Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: juneaki on Oct 04, 2004 at 08:50 AM
Sir, it po yung di ko magets:


"Speaker level out of the amp to speaker level in of the sub"


.....Saang speaker level out po ba ng amp? kasi the only speaker out ng amp ko is the 5.1 channel lang(FR.FL,SR,SR and Center). wala ng iba. although meron ngang speaker level in and out yung sub ko. pareho lang po yung speaker level and high level diba? synonym lang sila. high level kasi yung nakalabel sa sub ko.

Tska if ever magawa ko itong high level process, puwede pa din ako gumamit ng line level?




Sir, hindi mo na gagamitin yung subwoofer out ng ampli mo. Instead, yung speaker wires na dati nakakabit sa front speakers(left and right)  mo ay dun sa speaker in terminal (left at right) na ng subwoofer mo ikakabit. Then, kuha ka ng another set of speaker wires at mula dun sa speaker out (left at right) ng subwoofer, ikakabit mo naman ito sa front speakers mo, left and right respectively.

Hope this helps.

Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: markygail on Oct 04, 2004 at 09:36 AM


Sir, hindi mo na gagamitin yung subwoofer out ng ampli mo. Instead, yung speaker wires na dati nakakabit sa front speakers(left and right)  mo ay dun sa speaker in terminal (left at right) na ng subwoofer mo ikakabit. Then, kuha ka ng another set of speaker wires at mula dun sa speaker out (left at right) ng subwoofer, ikakabit mo naman ito sa front speakers mo, left and right respectively.

Hope this helps.



sayang di ko na magagamit yung subwoofer out ko. :-[ sayang din yung cable ko. rg6 pa naman terminated with monster rca plugs.

oh no... :-\ yung speaker wire kasi nitong jvc speakers(fronts) ay built in. wala siyang binding post or anything. basta yung speaker wire ay nakakabit sa loob ng speaker. tapos yung speaker na wire na gamit eh 22ga pa ata to. super nipis. mga 1 meter lang ata yung length ng speaker wire nito. pano kayang gagawin ko? puwede bang dugtungan ko na lang tapos i'll cover it with electrical tape?

Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: fnvillafuerte on Oct 04, 2004 at 10:09 AM
.....puwede bang dugtungan ko na lang tapos i'll cover it with electrical tape?


Yes, pwede mo namang dugtungan yang wire basta ingat lang, be sure na tama ang polarity nung wire na idudugtong mo at maayos ang pagkaka-tape para iwas shorted ka.  Para mas ok ang pagkakadugtong, mas maigi sana kung iso-solder mo pa yung dugtong.

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Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: arthurallanj on Oct 04, 2004 at 10:24 AM
Ok lang yun, bro marky, kung di mo na magamit yung sub cable mo, itago mo lang, pero kung ayaw mo, bigay mo na lang sa kin(JOKE!). hehe. ;D I think okay na siguro explanation ni bro june at ni bro fn. Ingat.
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: markygail on Oct 04, 2004 at 10:47 PM
mga bossing.may speaker wire na ko dito. try ko bukas yung high level connection. im so tired na kasi, sinet up ko yung WH2 ko. hehe.  ;D mids and highs, suabeng suabe!  ;)

Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: juneaki on Oct 05, 2004 at 07:48 AM
mga bossing.may speaker wire na ko dito. try ko bukas yung high level connection. im so tired na kasi, sinet up ko yung WH2 ko. hehe.  ;D mids and highs, suabeng suabe!  ;)



Sir, sa DVD player mo, i-disable o i-off mo yung subwoofer para i-channel nya sa fronts yung low frequency effects. That way, ie-enhance nya ang bass output ng fronts. Enjoy watching and listening.
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: markygail on Oct 05, 2004 at 08:46 AM


Sir, sa DVD player mo, i-disable o i-off mo yung subwoofer para i-channel nya sa fronts yung low frequency effects. That way, ie-enhance nya ang bass output ng fronts. Enjoy watching and listening.

sir, walang sub off ang dvd player ko and may active sub naman ako.
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: Heartbreak Kid on Oct 08, 2004 at 12:45 PM
mga sirs any review of sakura av-388? mas mura sya sa av-387 by P900. may am/fm tuner din kaso 150watts lang daw sabi sa paul vincent. iniisip ko ma-maximize kaya nya kung mag dtx 5.1 ako?

advice naman po.
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: markygail on Oct 08, 2004 at 07:05 PM
mga sirs any review of sakura av-388? mas mura sya sa av-387 by P900. may am/fm tuner din kaso 150watts lang daw sabi sa paul vincent. iniisip ko ma-maximize kaya nya kung mag dtx 5.1 ako?

advice naman po.

sakura are good amps but for me its aesthetical design is not pleasing to my eye. nothing here against sakura users, its just my personal opinion. and at 150watts its good enough lalo na kung floorstander ang gagamitin mo. pero kung bookshelfs lang, i wouldn't recommend it kasi most bookshelfs are rated at a max of 100 watts. masusunog ang speakers mo pag nilakasan mo. ako i bought the Konzert AV500R kasi bookshelf lang gamit ko. 100watts for the fronts and it works like a charm. paired with wharfedale WH2 rear and center together w/ my US AUDIO 512 MK2. ;)
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: Heartbreak Kid on Oct 11, 2004 at 05:22 PM
can sakura av-387 amplify subs? i have a pair of dtx 9.5b for fronts and planning to use an old passive sub rated only 40watts. is it possible? at least for the meantime.

thanks.
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: arthurallanj on Oct 12, 2004 at 12:52 PM
can sakura av-387 amplify subs? i have a pair of dtx 9.5b for fronts and planning to use an old passive sub rated only 40watts. is it possible? at least for the meantime.

thanks.


The sub out of the Sakura 387 is a line level output, meaning it cant amplify a passive sub, but you can use this passive sub by connecting it to the front speaker B outs of the amp and connecting your dtx 9.5b fronts to the front speaker A terminals, or you could connect the sub via either A or B Speaker terminals and connect your front speakers to the sub's speaker out terminals, if it has that. But i'd go for the first method. HIH.  ;D
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: Heartbreak Kid on Oct 12, 2004 at 03:16 PM
The sub out of the Sakura 387 is a line level output, meaning it cant amplify a passive sub, but you can use this passive sub by connecting it to the front speaker B outs of the amp and connecting your dtx 9.5b fronts to the front speaker A terminals,

in case i did this, what will be the role of my passive sub now? sub pa rin ba or one of the fronts na lang?  ::)
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: juneaki on Oct 12, 2004 at 03:31 PM


in case i did this, what will be the role of my passive sub now? sub pa rin ba or one of the fronts na lang?  ::)

I think it will function as front and at the same time subwoofer. Your passive sub will enhance the low frequency sound channeled to the fronts. Gagawin nyang mas malalim ang bass sound kung nasa audio listening mode ka. Pero iba pa rin pagdating sa HT mode kasi yung mga low frequncy effects ay talagang sa subwoofer out (LFE channel or .1 ng 5.1) lang lumalabas at kailangan nito ang active subwoofer.
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: Heartbreak Kid on Oct 18, 2004 at 01:34 PM
mga bro suggestions naman. i got my av-387 and dtx 9.5b last sat (oct 18) sa raon. i tried the fm tuner & was quite impressed. but when i tried it with my newly bought cd, it failed my expectations. prang basag at di detailed ung tunog. prang mas maganda pa pag nsa tuner mode. samantalang nung tinest ung cd sa raon, napakaganda ng 2nog. so, definitely hindi sa cd ang problem. btw, im using philips 727k dvd player. i tried all connections, from l/r and fl/fl of my dvd player to aux, dvd & ac-3 of the av-387 pro ganun pa rin. is this the case of the so called breaking-in period? pro bat ganun, medyo ok naman sa tuner mode? syanga pala i have set na rin the fronts to high and off the center, sr and sub to my dvd player since fronts pa lang meron ako.

pls enlighten me. d ako makapagyabang sa wife ko :'(

thanks.
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: fnvillafuerte on Oct 18, 2004 at 04:10 PM
Yang 387 mo ba may adjustment ng speaker impedance sa likod?  Kung meron, baka mali ang setting mo, check it out.  Another thing, check your speaker's phasing!  Tingnan mo kung yung (+) ng amp speaker out ay pumunta sa (+) ng speaker mo, ganun din yung sa (-) nya; check both left and right channel be sure walang salengkwang sa connections mo.  Malakas makawala ng bass ang out-of-phased na speakers.  Hope this helps.

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Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: bauer on Oct 19, 2004 at 12:46 PM
question on sakura owners, pag AC3, using 5.1 disc, ok ung tunog, separated.  when using cd audio, and set the avr to DVD, talaga bng lahat ng speaker ay same ang tunog?
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: av_phile1 on Oct 19, 2004 at 02:22 PM
Many receivers have this stereo mode in 5.1 or 6.1 or 7.1 when playing stereo-only material like CD or LP.  So all the speakers on the left will have the same LEFT signal and all the speakers on the right will have the same RIGHT signals.  The center speaker would have both, I think. I guess this may be the counterpart to your Sakura's DVD mode on a CD source. 
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: arthurallanj on Oct 20, 2004 at 02:47 PM
question on sakura owners, pag AC3, using 5.1 disc, ok ung tunog, separated.  when using cd audio, and set the avr to DVD, talaga bng lahat ng speaker ay same ang tunog?

Does your sakura amp have a 5.1 dvd input? Some Sakura amps have built in prologic processors that when you play a cd and switch it to vcd/cd input mode, you can utilize the processing, some don't and the signals are are output on only the fronts, like a regular stereo set up if set at dvd input. If your sakura doesn't have a processor, it will sound the way you said on any input except the 5.1 dvd input, if you already input all the 5 channels of your dvd player to the amp and it sounds this way, something's wrong. It's probably not really a 5 channel amp.
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: torque on Oct 20, 2004 at 11:50 PM
question on sakura owners, pag AC3, using 5.1 disc, ok ung tunog, separated.  when using cd audio, and set the avr to DVD, talaga bng lahat ng speaker ay same ang tunog?

I believe there's a button on the remote that let you choose 2Ch, 3Ch and 5Ch, try pressing this button.
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: bauer on Oct 26, 2004 at 12:39 PM


Does your sakura amp have a 5.1 dvd input? Some Sakura amps have built in prologic processors that when you play a cd and switch it to vcd/cd input mode, you can utilize the processing, some don't and the signals are are output on only the fronts, like a regular stereo set up if set at dvd input. If your sakura doesn't have a processor, it will sound the way you said on any input except the 5.1 dvd input, if you already input all the 5 channels of your dvd player to the amp and it sounds this way, something's wrong. It's probably not really a 5 channel amp.

Yes, it has a 5.1 dvd input.  It's Sakura AV 387.  When using 5.1 disc and set the AVR to AC3 mode, it's ok, the sounds are separated on each channel.  However, when playing a cd, and set to DVD or AC3 mode, the sounds are the same on all speaker.  I thought it will be decoded by the avr.  Does sakura 387 has this feature?
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: arthurallanj on Oct 27, 2004 at 11:53 AM
You'd have to set the amp to a 2 channel input, cd/vcd or aux,  etc... When the amp is set at 5.1 mode, the decoder cannot be utilized because it acts as an amplifier only. You have to switch to the aux mode to utilize the dsp modes and prologic processor.  ;D
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: bauer on Oct 28, 2004 at 12:28 PM
You'd have to set the amp to a 2 channel input, cd/vcd or aux,  etc... When the amp is set at 5.1 mode, the decoder cannot be utilized because it acts as an amplifier only. You have to switch to the aux mode to utilize the dsp modes and prologic processor.  ;D

Ganun b, dapat 2 ch mode, so stereo lng output nya.  I though kc capable ung Sakura 387 to decode as 5.1 effect ung stereo sources.  Thanks anyway.  I'm planning na rin to upgrade.
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: arthurallanj on Oct 28, 2004 at 02:26 PM
Nope, stereo lang output nya if you use the 2ch mode ng amp, but if you use the 5 ch mode(Prologic), the stereo signal will be Matrixed to all the 5 channels. If your 387 doesn't have prologic, look at your dvd plyer's set-up and check if it has dolby prologic.
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: garee on Nov 11, 2004 at 11:48 AM
question lang po, in the LCD of Sakura Av377 there is an arrow pointing at Normal, is there a selection to put in Wide or Phantom mode? i can't seem to find the settings.
also on the display are BBE and SRS, can it be selected? thanks.
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: Heartbreak Kid on Nov 11, 2004 at 05:44 PM


The sub out of the Sakura 387 is a line level output, meaning it cant amplify a passive sub, but you can use this passive sub by connecting it to the front speaker B outs of the amp and connecting your dtx 9.5b fronts to the front speaker A terminals, or you could connect the sub via either A or B Speaker terminals and connect your front speakers to the sub's speaker out terminals, if it has that. But i'd go for the first method. HIH.  ;D

sir what if i'd just connect my fronts to front speaker AB outs of the ampli, then sa idle terminal na lang ng either front speaker A or B ko iko-connect ung passive sub ko. kc ung setup sa taas, magiging mono na ung sound ng fronts ko, kc sa iisang speaker out lang cla ng ampli nakakabit. tama ba ako sir?  thanks ulit.
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: garee on Nov 18, 2004 at 07:58 AM
question lang po, in the LCD of Sakura Av377 there is an arrow pointing at Normal, is there a selection to put in Wide or Phantom mode? i can't seem to find the settings.
also on the display are BBE and SRS, can it be selected? thanks.

anyone would like to help??? TIA
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: arthurallanj on Nov 18, 2004 at 10:09 AM
I'm sure you can use the phantom and wide functions granting it really has prologic. I don't think you can select the BBE and SRS modes because I'm quite certain it doesn't have these processors built in. It's just on the FD of the front panel since Sakura uses such displays on other models that do have these fuctions. In other words, they sometimes use the same parts on different models. HIH.  ;D
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: garee on Nov 22, 2004 at 11:31 AM
what button would i press to select wide and phantom modes? where it the settings be found, on the front display or remotecontrol?
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: arthurallanj on Nov 22, 2004 at 12:49 PM
what button would i press to select wide and phantom modes? where it the settings be found, on the front display or remotecontrol?

Bro, try looking for a button that says Center Mode. My amp's center mode is located on the front panel but not on the remote. Try to PM others who have this model.  ;)
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: garee on Nov 22, 2004 at 01:00 PM
what model do you have sir art? i have a sakura av377
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: arthurallanj on Nov 22, 2004 at 02:18 PM
what model do you have sir art? i have a sakura av377

AV1600. ;D
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: garee on Nov 22, 2004 at 02:43 PM


AV1600. ;D


nice  ;D
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: arthurallanj on Nov 25, 2004 at 11:19 AM



nice  ;D

Ok lang. Made me happy when I was just starting. What I usually don't like about Sakuras is that they don't have a volume adjustment for the fronts, and the result is the fronts overpower the other speakers. And the fronts usually have a higher power rating than the other channels, which only makes it worse since the front speakers are usually of the best quality.  ;)
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: garee on Nov 25, 2004 at 01:02 PM
kaya adjust na lang sa center and rear surrounds ang kelangan para ma-compliment ang fronts.
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: arthurallanj on Nov 25, 2004 at 01:09 PM
Nope, even at max volume for center and surrounds, malakas pa rin ang fronts. At least this is the case with the 1600 and the 1800, what a friend did was connect a potentionmeter to both the front speaker outs to regulate the volume. Turned out great. I'm not so sure if this is necessary with the 377 or 387, since I never got to audition any intensively.  ;D
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: backdraft on Nov 29, 2004 at 09:49 AM
My uncle just bought a sakura 5500 (not sure bout the model), it says 5.1 channel on the front but when i look at the connections at the back there are only two RCA connectors at the back for CD/LD, can this amp decode 5.1 signal from the dvd player even if the sakura has only two RCA for the left and right, but it has an OUT for the SUB. thanks.
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: arthurallanj on Nov 30, 2004 at 12:13 PM
My uncle just bought a sakura 5500 (not sure bout the model), it says 5.1 channel on the front but when i look at the connections at the back there are only two RCA connectors at the back for CD/LD, can this amp decode 5.1 signal from the dvd player even if the sakura has only two RCA for the left and right, but it has an OUT for the SUB. thanks.

I don't think so. Check the back if it indeed has 5 speaker outs. The only way it can decode a 5.1 signal is by going digital, either by coaxial or optical, if it doesn't have either one, then no way.
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: eric_draven on Dec 04, 2004 at 07:15 PM
mga sir, patulong naman. I just bought a sakura av-387. I just finished setting it up with my speakers. the problem is kapag naka aux or dvd mode (2 channels), ok nman both of the front speakers pro kapag nag switch ako to ac3 (5.1 channels), nawawala yung front left speaker. Tried using my dvd player's test tone... yung front left speaker lang ang wala. Same din when i use the tuner/radio - right speaker lang ang gumagana. Ano kaya prob?  :(    TIA.
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: eric_draven on Dec 04, 2004 at 08:34 PM
Tried again the tuner/radio. this time the left speaker produces cracking sounds to the beat of the music played on the right speaker.  ???
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: arthurallanj on Dec 06, 2004 at 10:31 AM
Two possibilities. Either your connection from dvd to amp or amp to speaker has a defect, or the speaker itself is busted. To troubleshoot, exchange the right speaker with the left, if the left channel still has the problem, then it's the connections, but if this time the right speaker na naman ang di umaandar, then it's the speaker itself that's defective. But since you said in your post that at 2 ch mode both are just okay, then it's most probably the connection of the dvd to the amp. HIH.  ;D
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: eric_draven on Dec 06, 2004 at 11:05 AM
Two possibilities. Either your connection from dvd to amp or amp to speaker has a defect, or the speaker itself is busted. To troubleshoot, exchange the right speaker with the left, if the left channel still has the problem, then it's the connections, but if this time the right speaker na naman ang di umaandar, then it's the speaker itself that's defective. But since you said in your post that at 2 ch mode both are just okay, then it's most probably the connection of the dvd to the amp. HIH.  ;D

I've checked and double checked the connections and it has no prob. And pag sa radio din la yung left speaker. Tried another set of speakers pero ganun pa din. Anyway, I bought it at Moses Aaron (kay Mike) sabi ko highly recommended mo sir  ;D very accomodating nman sya and mabait. Just called him today and told him the problem. Papalitan n lng daw nya yung unit. Just wanted to ask ur help kc baka ako mali and pag punta ko dun ok nman.  ;D Pro I think sa unit talaga. What do u think sir?
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: arthurallanj on Dec 06, 2004 at 11:35 AM
It could be the unit. Maybe you should have tried it at the shop before buying it, but that's just a little inconvenience, papalitan naman nila e.  :)
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: eric_draven on Dec 06, 2004 at 01:50 PM
It could be the unit. Maybe you should have tried it at the shop before buying it, but that's just a little inconvenience, papalitan naman nila e.  :)

Nung tinest kc dun sa shop, yung two channels lang kya lang problema. Nde ko na pinatry yung 5 channels kc hassle lng pag kabit sa mga speakers. pro dapat npakinggan ko kahit yung radio  ;D Anyway, i'll go back there tom to have it replaced. Tnx for the inputs sir arthurllanj  :)
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: jdg on Dec 06, 2004 at 10:15 PM
mga sir, paano kung yung dvd player(pioneer dv-270) ko walang 5.1 out sa likod L/R stereo out lang and optical/coaxial pero may DD decoder. puwede ko ba ito gamitan ng sakura 387 kung 2.1 setup lang ang gagawin ko? and kung may kabitan ba ng sub yung sakura 387 kasi wala rin sub out yung dvd player ko?:-[
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: arthurallanj on Dec 07, 2004 at 11:11 AM
mga sir, paano kung yung dvd player(pioneer dv-270) ko walang 5.1 out sa likod L/R stereo out lang and optical/coaxial pero may DD decoder. puwede ko ba ito gamitan ng sakura 387 kung 2.1 setup lang ang gagawin ko? and kung may kabitan ba ng sub yung sakura 387 kasi wala rin sub out yung dvd player ko?:-[

Yes, for all your questions. Also check if your DVD player has dolby prologic, I'm sure you'd appreciate it if it does.  ;)
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: eric_draven on Dec 08, 2004 at 11:05 PM
Napalitan n yung sakura av-387 ko. Sa unit nga yung problema. Haay... sa wakas maayos na yung setup ko now. I'm very happy with the performance  ;D. I'm planning din to complete the dtx series para maganda yung combo. As of now yung dtx center p lng nabili ko kc may mga speakers nman ako pwde gamitin pang front and surround for the meantime.  :D
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: Jude on Dec 09, 2004 at 10:26 PM
Just got a Sakura AV-387 to drive a set of DTX 9.5 speakers (except sub). Question, pwedo ko kaya ikabit yung Xenon powered subwoofer namin dun sa Sakura amp? Okay na kaya ito for the bass? Di kaya siya masisira? What should I look out for? Di naman talaga ako mahilig sa malakas o maganda na bass eh, kahit sa movies. Sa music naman mostly classical and indie pop lang pinapatugtog ko, mahina lang bass dun madalas.
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: juneaki on Dec 10, 2004 at 08:39 AM
Just got a Sakura AV-387 to drive a set of DTX 9.5 speakers (except sub). Question, pwedo ko kaya ikabit yung Xenon powered subwoofer namin dun sa Sakura amp? Okay na kaya ito for the bass? Di kaya siya masisira? What should I look out for? Di naman talaga ako mahilig sa malakas o maganda na bass eh, kahit sa movies. Sa music naman mostly classical and indie pop lang pinapatugtog ko, mahina lang bass dun madalas.

I think pwede kung sa pwede. The problem is your xenon has a built-in amplifier not only for the sub but also for the (5) sats. I read in the manual of some amplifier certain prohibition not to operate the amp without a load (walang speaker na nakakabit). And in your case you will only use the subwoofer of the xenon but not the sattelite speakers. In this case, magwo-work ung amp para sa sats ng walang load. But that's just my opinion and i might be wrong. Maybe our experts here can further explain.
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: av_phile1 on Dec 10, 2004 at 09:02 AM
From my experience, operating amps without a load is a no no for tube amps.  Not for SS. 
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: arthurallanj on Dec 10, 2004 at 11:25 AM
Bro June,
I think what bro Jude is trying to say is if okay lang na Xenon sub lang ang gagamitin nya sa set up nya since he never bought a DTX sub, just the 9.5 speakers lang. So he's actually asking if the Xenon sub would produce enough bass for him to be contented in his system that is composed of the DTX 9.5 speaker system, a Sakura 387 amp and a Xenon sub. He's gonna be using the 387 to drive his 9.5 speakers. But I may also be wrong.  ;D

Bro Jude,

Answered your question at the Daiichi thread. Pwede mo ikabit ang xenon sub sa Sakura. The Sakura bass out provision is a line level output so I don't think it could harm your Xenon sub. Just make sure na ikakabit mo nga sya sa Bass out terminal and not sa speaker terminal. Now if it's okay na, it's up to you if it produces enough bass for you.  ;D
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: av_phile1 on Dec 10, 2004 at 12:50 PM
Just got a Sakura AV-387 to drive a set of DTX 9.5 speakers (except sub). Question, pwedo ko kaya ikabit yung Xenon powered subwoofer namin dun sa Sakura amp? Okay na kaya ito for the bass? Di kaya siya masisira? What should I look out for? Di naman talaga ako mahilig sa malakas o maganda na bass eh, kahit sa movies. Sa music naman mostly classical and indie pop lang pinapatugtog ko, mahina lang bass dun madalas.

Technicaly, the Xenon can act as a stand-alone subwoofer and be connected as such.  But since it was designed to mate with satellite speakers, the crossover point may be a bit too high that will allow upper bass freqeuncies to just dovetail with what goes out of your DTX floorstanders.  There's a good chance the imaging will be smeared and worst, muddle the upper bass frequencies so you lose out on musical bass detail.  Many entry level subwoofers and sub-sats have high THDs that may not be objectionable at bass frequencies but will ruin what goes out of the main speakers that usually have lower THDs.

If the Sakura has adjustable bass crossover points, set them at the -3db point of the DTX floorstander, I think that's around 50hz.  Hopefully the Xenon will just propagate frequencies below 50hz to extend the bass of your floorstanders, not add the same thing to what they already deliver well.  But, knowing that most powered sub-sat combinations are somewhat challenged below 60hz acting more as woofers than subs, the deep bass extension for which real subwoofers are meant for just might not be there.  Also, most powered sub-sats rarely go above 50watts RMS, (though advertised in thousands of PMPO).  Strictly speaking, a sub must deliver more power than what the main L and R amps can.  That's because bass generally contains 70% energy than the rest of the frequencies.  So if the sub has a lesser power rating than your sakura, you might hardly feel it.  ;D

But let your ears be the judge. 
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: Jude on Dec 11, 2004 at 10:36 AM
Ok, I connected the Xenon subwoofer, di naman sumabog. During movies the added bass it puts out is not very noticeable. But when playing music it really makes a difference, when you turn off the subwoofer the very deep thumping feeling really goes away. It's not the best-sounding subwoofer by far, but it serves its purpose. I can safely say it doesn't muddle the upper bass frequencies, but augments the lower bass frequencies that the DTX towers can't manage to put out.

I used some Dolby Digital 5.1 music mixes of my own making (thanks to the link that Sr. av_phile's posted, DD lang, ang mahal kasi ng DTS encoder) and the LFE channel (80-120 Hz) really comes out from the subwoofer and not from the towers . The sound of the subwoofer also improved when my brother placed it on top of a low (about 5" high), solid wooden stool.
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: av_phile1 on Dec 11, 2004 at 01:08 PM
Jude,

Good to hear it works to your satisfaction.  Nothing really beats trying it out and hearing for yourself. 

Are your DTX towers placed away from corner walls?

Putting a pedestal under your sub will diminish the bass strength but will give it more definition.  The more distance the speaker or sub is from any room boundary (wall or floor), the lesser bass reinforcement and perceived SPL.   But you get bass tightness.
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: arthurallanj on Dec 13, 2004 at 11:11 AM
Sir AV,
The freq. resp. of the DTX towers are just 65Hz~20KHz, so I guess he has to set it at around 80Hz, right?

Bro Jude,
Have you checked the specs of your Xenon sub? Please see the freq. response. And since it's a small sub, I think following sir Av's suggestion would be best. Try placing it in a corner to augment the bass and see if it's good for you. ;D
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: boldventure on Dec 13, 2004 at 01:17 PM
any reviews(summary) of 387?

ano po specifications nito?

Price: 3,500, tama po ba?

Where did you get your 387 in Raon na reliable at maganda after sales service nila?

tnx
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: jdg on Dec 13, 2004 at 02:31 PM
post naman kayo pics ng sakura av-387 yung front/back panels sana. ;D
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: Jude on Dec 14, 2004 at 12:37 AM
Cross posting this on the DTX-Sakura combo and Dai-ichi threads since different sets of people read them and I want to get as much feedback as I can, I hope that's ok.

After 3 days of trying out my Sakura 387 + DTX towers/center + Euros 6 bokshelves + Xenon subwoofer combo, here are my observations:

Here's how I have it set up in a room approx 9 feet by 12 feet. The towers are placed on the floor around 5 feet apart, around 2 inches away from either side of the TV, around 2 feet from the back wall and 2 feet from the side walls. The center is on top of the TV, around 5 feet above the floor, in the middle of the towers, same distance from the back wall. The sub is on a low table around 1 foot high, at the middle left side of the room, between the towers and surrounds, half a foot away from the left wall. The surrounds are on shelves on either side of the room around 5 feet off the floor and 6 feet away from the towers. Used gauge 14 Audio Pro speaker wire from Deeco for the towers and gauge 14 studio grade speaker wire from ACE hardware for the other speakers. Used Quantum banana plugs from Electronics Depot to connect the speaker wires to the amp. Haven't done bi-wiring yet (parang ang komplikado eh). I'll try to post a pic of the entire setup kapag mas final na. I usually sit around 5 to 6 feet away from the towers, ka-level ng surrounds. Using Skyworth DVD player as source.

Have no complaints regarding the setup's performance for movies. Wow talaga. Medyo telephone-call-sounding nga lang yung dialogue from the center speaker at first pero eventually naging ok na.

Music is another matter though. Firstly, ang boomy ng towers! Medyo nalalakasan ako sa bass, it has the tendency to drown out the other details. Or maybe hindi lang talaga ako sanay since before I've been doing my music listening mostly just through Sennheiser earbuds or a 2.1 Creative multimedia speaker set with the sub turned way down, medyo lo-fi talaga. Based on my perception, I sort of prefer the bass that's coming out of the Xenon sub than what's coming out of the DTX towers. The towers seem to be lacking a bit in the midrange and highs. So I tend to rely on the Sakura's stereo to 3 channel or 5 channel function, this turns on the center and surround speakers which seems to have clearer midranges and highs and are able to compensate for the towers' shortcomings.

Do you guys think that the speakersm especially the towers will still improve after further breaking in or if I try biwiring them? Any volume or bass/treble settings I should try on the Sakura amp? The loudest volume setting I've gone so far on the Sakura is a main volume of -34 for 5.1 AC-3 sources and -28 for stereo. I usually set the surround volume 2 steps lower and center volume two steps higher. I set bass at -2, treble at +2. Sub volume is at 2/3 of maximum.

By the way, 5.1 mixed music sounds a lot better than plain stereo with the setup. So far to me, stereo music sounds a lot better using the euros 6 bookshelves (which I use for the surrounds) than the DTX towers, which makes me wonder what the euros 6 towers must sound like.

So any advice regarding what I can add or change to improve the setup? I'm contemplating using our massive old Sony Laserdisc player to play CDs instead of the DVD player in case it'll be a better source.

Mahirap pala malulong sa hobby na ito, nakaka-obsess! Nagpapaka-audiophile na rin tuloy mga kapatid ko! :) Daming pinapa-canvass sa Raon.
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: Asktig on Dec 17, 2004 at 10:46 AM
Which is better sakura 377 to sakura 387? Whats the difference?
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: eric_draven on Dec 18, 2004 at 01:28 AM
question po... yung super bass function ba nga 387 nde tlga gumagana pag naka 5.1 channels/ac3? I noticed kc na sa 2 channels and sa tuner lang gumagana yung sa akin.
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: blackpool on Dec 19, 2004 at 12:32 AM
hi guys, i'm totally new to the DVD world and i would just like to ask a question regarding my setup plans.

i bought a philips DVP642k which has a built in DD/DTS decoder and i'm planning to buy one of either the SAKURA AV388 or the 387 kasi i'm really on a tight budget, but my main concern is my speakers. i have 3 different sets of PC speakers (altec lansing acs 45.1 2.1, creative cambridge soundworks 4.1, and the philips true 5.1 surround pc speakers) and i'll use mainly the philips 5.1 for my dvd. my question is pwede ba sya para sa SAKURA? what i meant was kasi ung connections nya, which is that the front L/R speakers wires are actually connected to each other, same as the rear L/R and the subz/centre speaker as well, so kung susumahin talagang made for PC, yun bang stereo jacks ang connection nya, and it has 3 connections at the back of the subz, and it has a separate volume for the subz as well, so papunta sa soundcard sa PC tatlo ung stereo jacks connection nya, tanong ko lang po kung ok lang ang connections nya para sa sakura, more broadly to ask if kung pwede sya at compatible? i'm really sorry i'm quite at a loss pero i don't want to make a mistake kasi. ano po kayang model ng sakura ang bagay para sa mga speakers ko?

hope i could get a word from the gurus salamat po O0
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: Jude on Dec 19, 2004 at 12:26 PM
It's not impossible, pero medyo mahihirapan ka yatang ikabit yung PC speakers mo to the Sakuras kasi it uses binding posts for the speaker connections so dapat bare speaker wire or banana plugs yung nakakabit sa kanya. It's only the subwoofer out that uses a single RCA jack so you can at least easily use your existing subwoofers. Also, baka masyadong mataas yung wattage ng Sakura for your speakers, hindi makayanan ng speakers mo. Why don't you just use your Philips 5.1 set? It looks like that it already has a built-in amp in its sub. You just need 3 double RCA to 3.5 m stereo jack adaptors to connect it to your DVD.
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: blackpool on Dec 19, 2004 at 02:17 PM
It's not impossible, pero medyo mahihirapan ka yatang ikabit yung PC speakers mo to the Sakuras kasi it uses binding posts for the speaker connections so dapat bare speaker wire or banana plugs yung nakakabit sa kanya. It's only the subwoofer out that uses a single RCA jack so you can at least easily use your existing subwoofers. Also, baka masyadong mataas yung wattage ng Sakura for your speakers, hindi makayanan ng speakers mo. Why don't you just use your Philips 5.1 set? It looks like that it already has a built-in amp in its sub. You just need 3 double RCA to 3.5 m stereo jack adaptors to connect it to your DVD.

ganun na nga actually boss ang ginagawa ko kasi e, i had 3 pieces double RCA to single 3.5m stereo female adaptor for the three connections na galing dun sa subz ng speakers papunta sa 6 chan jacks sa DVD, kaya lang ayaw tumunog ng rear speakers kahit anung gawin ko, diba supposedly tutunog lahat un? i did everything actually, the connections are right, the downmixes, etc. pero try ko naman ung philips sa PC ko with a 5.1 channel surround soundcard everything's fine naman pero ayaw gumana sa audio out ng DVD player.

or is it most likely because my 5.1 speakers does not have a built in amp? kasi 3 lang saksakan nya sa likod ng subz, everything being split for the front L/R, rear L/R and for the subz/centre, then being joined through for the connection for the soundcard. kumbaga magkakasama ung fronts, rears, then the sub and cntr are together.

kasi po kung pwede na tong 5.1 speakers kong philips nagtataka lng po ako kung bakit ayaw tumunog kaya naisipan ko bmli ng SAKURA, so ang mangyayari pala dahil banana jacks sya e magtatalop ako at maghihiwalay ng speakers? please help me be enlightened kasi nahihilo na po ako e thanks O0
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: juneaki on Dec 20, 2004 at 07:23 AM
hi guys, i'm totally new to the DVD world and i would just like to ask a question regarding my setup plans.

i bought a philips DVP642k which has a built in DD/DTS decoder and i'm planning to buy one of either the SAKURA AV388 or the 387 kasi i'm really on a tight budget, but my main concern is my speakers. i have 3 different sets of PC speakers (altec lansing acs 45.1 2.1, creative cambridge soundworks 4.1, and the philips true 5.1 surround pc speakers) and i'll use mainly the philips 5.1 for my dvd. my question is pwede ba sya para sa SAKURA? what i meant was kasi ung connections nya, which is that the front L/R speakers wires are actually connected to each other, same as the rear L/R and the subz/centre speaker as well, so kung susumahin talagang made for PC, yun bang stereo jacks ang connection nya, and it has 3 connections at the back of the subz, and it has a separate volume for the subz as well, so papunta sa soundcard sa PC tatlo ung stereo jacks connection nya, tanong ko lang po kung ok lang ang connections nya para sa sakura, more broadly to ask if kung pwede sya at compatible? i'm really sorry i'm quite at a loss pero i don't want to make a mistake kasi. ano po kayang model ng sakura ang bagay para sa mga speakers ko?

hope i could get a word from the gurus salamat po O0

Suggestion lang Bro:  If you already have the Sakura AV-387, ibenta mo na lang yung mga PC multi-media speakers mo. Yung proceeds, dagdagan mo na lang at bumili ka ng DTX speakers (kahit 4 bookshelves at 1 center lang). Subwoofer na lang ang problema mo na pwede mong pag-iponan at bilhin later. Mark-down ngayon ang Dai-Ichi sa mga speakers nila.
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: Jude on Dec 30, 2004 at 08:39 PM
To all those using a Sakura 387 with a 5.1 speaker set-up, how have you set-up the volume levels for your speakers? Kasi diba, the main volume goes down to -64, but the surrounds and center volumes go to -80, pinapantay-pantay niyo ba yung volume (for example, -30 lahat) or iba volume levels niyo for, main, center, and surrounds? For example, kung naka -30 and main volume niyo, saang level naka set ang center and surrounds? Wala kasi akong pang-measure ng loudness of each speakern (decibel meter) so hirap ako mag-timpla ng volume. As of now ginagawa ko for movies is -30 main, -40 surrounds, -36 center, pero parang di pa rin siyang exactong  timplado.
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: juneaki on Jan 17, 2005 at 11:14 AM
To all those using a Sakura 387 with a 5.1 speaker set-up, how have you set-up the volume levels for your speakers? Kasi diba, the main volume goes down to -64, but the surrounds and center volumes go to -80, pinapantay-pantay niyo ba yung volume (for example, -30 lahat) or iba volume levels niyo for, main, center, and surrounds? For example, kung naka -30 and main volume niyo, saang level naka set ang center and surrounds? Wala kasi akong pang-measure ng loudness of each speakern (decibel meter) so hirap ako mag-timpla ng volume. As of now ginagawa ko for movies is -30 main, -40 surrounds, -36 center, pero parang di pa rin siyang exactong  timplado.

I have a Sakura AV-377 before. In my experience, i set first the volume of the center and the surrounds (L & R) channels to -45db to -40db, this is because the front channels are stronger than the center and surrounds.  Whenever you increase the volume of the fronts using the main volume knob/button, the center and surrounds will likewise increase by the same amount you set for the fronts.

Pwede mo rin matimpla yung sa iyo kung may speaker test mode yung dvd player mo so that you can increase or decrease yung combination ng loudness ng speakers mo.
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: allvin_98 on Jan 17, 2005 at 10:06 PM
To all those using a Sakura 387 with a 5.1 speaker set-up, how have you set-up the volume levels for your speakers? Kasi diba, the main volume goes down to -64, but the surrounds and center volumes go to -80, pinapantay-pantay niyo ba yung volume (for example, -30 lahat) or iba volume levels niyo for, main, center, and surrounds? For example, kung naka -30 and main volume niyo, saang level naka set ang center and surrounds? Wala kasi akong pang-measure ng loudness of each speakern (decibel meter) so hirap ako mag-timpla ng volume. As of now ginagawa ko for movies is -30 main, -40 surrounds, -36 center, pero parang di pa rin siyang exactong  timplado.

Yup. pantay-pantay ang volume. pero cyempre dapat same brand ang fronts and center speaker mo.otherwise mahihirapan ka mag-timpla ng volume
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: av_phile1 on Jan 18, 2005 at 04:20 PM
To all those using a Sakura 387 with a 5.1 speaker set-up, how have you set-up the volume levels for your speakers? Kasi diba, the main volume goes down to -64, but the surrounds and center volumes go to -80, pinapantay-pantay niyo ba yung volume (for example, -30 lahat) or iba volume levels niyo for, main, center, and surrounds? For example, kung naka -30 and main volume niyo, saang level naka set ang center and surrounds? Wala kasi akong pang-measure ng loudness of each speakern (decibel meter) so hirap ako mag-timpla ng volume. As of now ginagawa ko for movies is -30 main, -40 surrounds, -36 center, pero parang di pa rin siyang exactong  timplado.

You won't get good results if you calibrate your set-up based on the numerical db ratings you see on the receiver.  Every receiver seems to implement its own reference 0db point so recommeding my db setting to you or anyone won't mean much.

What is important is that each channel arrive at your listening poistion with the same loudness.  Use a test 5.1 DVD or use the test tones from the receiver or from an THX certified DVD title.  Then, you either trust your ears or use a Sound PRessure Level meter or SPL meter from radio shack that can give you a more objective measure of  the  loudness of each channel  in  your listening couch. 
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: allvin_98 on Jan 19, 2005 at 07:13 PM
You won't get good results if you calibrate your set-up based on the numerical db ratings you see on the receiver.  Every receiver seems to implement its own reference 0db point so recommeding my db setting to you or anyone won't mean much.

What is important is that each channel arrive at your listening poistion with the same loudness.  Use a test 5.1 DVD or use the test tones from the receiver or from an THX certified DVD title.  Then, you either trust your ears or use a Sound PRessure Level meter or SPL meter from radio shack that can give you a more objective measure of  the  loudness of each channel  in  your listening couch. 

This is nice! thanks for the info.
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: cybermoja on Jan 25, 2005 at 07:57 AM
please post picture of teh sakura 387 model... front and back panel.... Wala kasi ako makita sa local amp dealers sa amin. Sa raon lang ba ito available?  5.1 set up ba talaga cya.... I mean kung meron siyang LFE (sub) output sa likod. thnx at ano ung power ratings niya per channel.
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: arthurallanj on Jan 25, 2005 at 11:07 AM
please post picture of teh sakura 387 model... front and back panel.... Wala kasi ako makita sa local amp dealers sa amin. Sa raon lang ba ito available?  5.1 set up ba talaga cya.... I mean kung meron siyang LFE (sub) output sa likod. thnx at ano ung power ratings niya per channel.

You can see the front panel at the completed deals section at the av-377 post, they look the same. The 387 has 250W max. power for the front channels, it has about 70W max for the rears and center, if I remember correctly. It also has a sub out at the back, and it is a 5 channel amp.  There may be some places na meron nyan besides Raon, but baka mahirapan kang maghanap. Besides, mas mura sa Raon. ;D
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: Yakuini on Jan 25, 2005 at 12:21 PM
Sir Arthur,

How much is 377? Last time I went there, when I bought my Euros8, we were able to get 327 for P2400, I was actually looking for 377 kaso ala akong makita.

@cybermoja

Search mo thread na ito, merong pic ng 388
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: arthurallanj on Jan 25, 2005 at 01:36 PM
Sir Arthur,

How much is 377? Last time I went there, when I bought my Euros8, we were able to get 327 for P2400, I was actually looking for 377 kaso ala akong makita.

@cybermoja

Search mo thread na ito, merong pic ng 388

The last time I asked Moses Aaron they had the 387 for around 3.6K. I never asked kung meron pang 377. But I think the 377 goes for 3K kung meron man.  ;D
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: DaiHarD on Feb 01, 2005 at 11:14 PM
Quote
How much is 377? Last time I went there, when I bought my Euros8, we were able to get 327 for P2400, I was actually looking for 377 kaso ala akong makita.
@Yakuini,
Welcome pre sa Sakura 327 hehehe Im one of the owner of 327 :D 3 na tayo ni Ultraman, taga saan you? Tayuman Manila lang me  >:D
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: ultraman on Feb 02, 2005 at 10:49 AM
harharhar!!! may kasama na tayo daihard hehe... pre, musta na set up mo?
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: DaiHarD on Feb 02, 2005 at 06:17 PM
 ;D ito as usual ganun pa din ang setup since na nag last chat tayo sa chika hehehe, sa iyo ano ng bagong setup mo?  ;D

saan kaya bahay ni yakuini? eb eb  ;D
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: Asktig on Feb 08, 2005 at 04:37 PM
may thermal protection ba ang sakura?
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: gym on Feb 08, 2005 at 08:41 PM
phase out na av377 and av 387. pumailt dyan av387a
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: arthurallanj on Feb 09, 2005 at 11:02 AM
may thermal protection ba ang sakura?

None, as far as I know, but it has a clipping protection so the amp doesn't get burned when the speakers start to clip.  ;D
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: arthurallanj on Feb 09, 2005 at 11:04 AM
phase out na av377 and av 387. pumailt dyan av387a

What differences do they have? Modifications? Thanks.  ;D
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: Yakuini on Feb 09, 2005 at 12:11 PM
;D ito as usual ganun pa din ang setup since na nag last chat tayo sa chika hehehe, sa iyo ano ng bagong setup mo?  ;D

saan kaya bahay ni yakuini? eb eb  ;D

The 327 is not mine. I bought it for a friend. But I am a proud owner of 387 and Euros 8.

Last week, I asked my brother to buy me a Euros8 Center tapos I lend him money to buy 327. I gave him my old DTX Tower and Center. So dalawang 327 na ang gumagamit dito sa Pampanga :)

Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: ultraman on Feb 22, 2005 at 05:47 PM
sira na sakura 327 ko hehe.. ;D bigla na lang umusok ng magpatugtog ako ng malakas last sunday. birthday kasi ng pamangkin ko and we used it as sound system.. sabi ng pinsan kong technician pwede pa daw. papalitan lang ng parts. pero pinamigay ko na lang sa utol ko..   If your wondring why Im happy ngayong sira na amp ko.. Its because Im planning to replace it with branded one nyehehe.. ;D hmmmmm... ano kaya maganda ipalit? Marantz Denon o Yamaha.... bahala na! hehe..
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: av_phile1 on Feb 22, 2005 at 06:55 PM
Sayang, it's nice to still have the old gears so you can do some odd comparison with the new gears. And also as a memorabillia.   I actually missed my old Sansui and Onkyo amps since I also disposed of them earlier.  Now I have nothing to compare my new amps with.   :(
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: ultraman on Feb 22, 2005 at 08:23 PM
got your point sir AV... honga noh! bat di ko naisip yun. next time pag nasira amp ko (wag naman sana hehe...) alam ko na gagawin ko. ;D nice suggestion sir AV. ;D
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: arthurallanj on Feb 23, 2005 at 10:32 AM
Sayang, it's nice to still have the old gears so you can do some odd comparison with the new gears. And also as a memorabillia.   I actually missed my old Sansui and Onkyo amps since I also disposed of them earlier.  Now I have nothing to compare my new amps with.   :(

I wish my wife sees it that way, she's still wondering why I still don't wanna let go of my very first amp. An Akai AA-25, very powerful amp. Haven't had any speakers that this amp can't drive without giving the speakers a great workout. I just don't have shelf space for it right now, but I do plan to build one soon. He he. Now, I'm starting to miss my Sakura AV1600.  :'( ;D
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: DaiHarD on Mar 16, 2005 at 02:44 PM
Quote
sira na sakura 327 ko hehe..  bigla na lang umusok ng magpatugtog ako ng malakas last sunday. birthday kasi ng pamangkin ko and we used it as sound system.. sabi ng pinsan kong technician pwede pa daw. papalitan lang ng parts. pero pinamigay ko na lang sa utol ko..   If your wondring why Im happy ngayong sira na amp ko.. Its because Im planning to replace it with branded one nyehehe..  hmmmmm... ano kaya maganda ipalit? Marantz Denon o Yamaha.... bahala na! hehe..
CONDOLENCE PARE!!!  ;D iniwan mo na lang akong magisa dito hahahaha. Ang hilig mo sa ultra sound eh hahaha nasobrahan sa init yan pre naluto ang wire hehehe
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: jed2 on Apr 07, 2005 at 02:27 PM
how much does a sakura amp cost now?  i'm planning to get 1...
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: arthurallanj on Apr 08, 2005 at 12:07 PM
how much does a sakura amp cost now?  i'm planning to get 1...

A little bit above 3K.  ;D
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: @tomicZen on Apr 30, 2005 at 10:07 AM
got my SAKURA 387a yesterday at DY YAN HUI Electronics Center, Evangelista Quiapo. 3.4k
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: juneaki on Apr 30, 2005 at 10:29 AM
got my SAKURA 387a yesterday at DY YAN HUI Electronics Center, Evangelista Quiapo. 3.4k

Congrats sa bago mong toy. What's the difference between AV-387a and AV-387? Kindly post your review.
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: garee on Aug 15, 2005 at 01:29 PM
can someone pls help me and post or pm  the contact number of the service center for sakura.
the remote control doesn't  work now.
the front panel of the sakura 377 don' have button(pro-logic) for switching to 2ch,3ch and 5ch. button for superbass.
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: arthurallanj on Aug 15, 2005 at 01:58 PM
Why not try to ask the store you bought your amp from if they can send it to the service center? You'd have to pay for the repair, of course, if it's already out of warranty. I once asked Mike of Moses Aaron if he can tell me where I can send a Sakura amp for repairs. He said he'd be glad to take the amp in and send it to the Sakura service center himself when the agent comes to their store. Maybe you can try that out, too.  ;D
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: gonefishing on Aug 16, 2005 at 10:25 AM
ano ang pinaka bagong model ng sakura or top of the line nila? and how much?
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: arthurallanj on Aug 19, 2005 at 10:05 AM
I think the best choice to date is still the AV387. Wala pa atang bago e.  ;)
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: fweyd on Aug 19, 2005 at 10:50 AM
ano ba mga features ng aV387?

pati ano mas pipiliin nyo ? Konzert AVR 500 or AV387 ?
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: arthurallanj on Aug 19, 2005 at 11:39 AM
To me, the most important feature is that it's a true 5 channel amp. It has volume adjustments for the center and separate volume controls for the surround left and surround right. It also has a built in tuner. Great value.
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: fnvillafuerte on Aug 19, 2005 at 12:57 PM
fweyd,

Try mo ring tingnan yung Konzert AVR600, eto yata ipinalit sa AVR500.  Madalang pa lang ito sa mga stores kasi bagong labas pa lang, di ko pa rin sya nabusisi ng husto e.  Maganda rin porma nito, parang branded AVR ang hitsura nya.

Ü
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: arthurallanj on Aug 24, 2005 at 10:00 AM
can someone pls help me and post or pm  the contact number of the service center for sakura.
the remote control doesn't  work now.
the front panel of the sakura 377 don' have button(pro-logic) for switching to 2ch,3ch and 5ch. button for superbass.

Bro,

Have you tried cleaning the remote? The inside, I mean. Baka madumi lang. Marami na akong na encounter na remotes na cleaning lang pala ang problema. Try lang bro.

Remotes rarely get broken, unless sinadya.

 ;D
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: garee on Aug 24, 2005 at 03:26 PM
Bro,

Have you tried cleaning the remote? The inside, I mean. Baka madumi lang. Marami na akong na encounter na remotes na cleaning lang pala ang problema. Try lang bro.

Remotes rarely get broken, unless sinadya.

 ;D

i tried it already and malinis naman ang loob.
actually only two buttons (Bal R, Pro-logic selector) when i pressed really hard respond and the rest wont.
i can't find time to visit moses aaron during weekends to have it checked, but i have called them and they have a replacement worth P700.  ::)

thanks for the tips bro art.
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: rustyns on Aug 25, 2005 at 06:14 AM
Hello sa mga sakura 387a owners,

Nagbabalak akong bumili nito e. Tanong ko lang sana kung ano ang max power consumption ng 387a?

tnx
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: arthurallanj on Aug 25, 2005 at 09:34 AM
i tried it already and malinis naman ang loob.
actually only two buttons (Bal R, Pro-logic selector) when i pressed really hard respond and the rest wont.
i can't find time to visit moses aaron during weekends to have it checked, but i have called them and they have a replacement worth P700.  ::)

thanks for the tips bro art.

Havve you tried cleaning both the board and the button carbon terminals? If nag rerespond ang ibang buttons, it may not be broken. If that still doesn't work, get a new one na nga lang. Hingi ka ng discount kay pareng Mike sa moses aaron. Don't say I told ya.  ;D
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: leomar on Aug 26, 2005 at 03:01 PM
kaya ba ng av387a ang euros 8 speaker set with usaudio508 sub?
sana may setup na ganito, bago ako bumili hehe
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: arthurallanj on Aug 27, 2005 at 09:30 AM
kaya ba ng av387a ang euros 8 speaker set with usaudio508 sub?
sana may setup na ganito, bago ako bumili hehe

I'm sure it can, the euros speakers have a nominal input power of about 15 watts and is sensitive naman. And don't worry about the sub, it's powered naman so no issue there about if kaya ito ng amp. Although mas maganda pa rin ang digital amp but sakura will do just fine. Don't worry.  ;)
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: leomar on Aug 29, 2005 at 01:11 PM
hehe thanks!

kasi sana for budget setup, baka kasi hindi mabigyan ng justice ng skura ung euros, sayang naman hehe
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: gonefishing on Aug 29, 2005 at 01:40 PM
finally, naka audition na ako yesteday sa megamall ng euro 6 and the slim type that I like, ang layo ng sound, imade up my mind na euro 6 na lang ang bilhin ko, now the problem is sabi sa kin is dapat daw yamaha na ang bilhin kong amp, hinde ba kaya ng sakura yun euro6, or pangit ang tunog pag sakura and ginamit ko? thnks
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: arthurallanj on Aug 30, 2005 at 12:35 PM
bro gonefishing,

Di naman sa pangit ang tunog, but going digital is best. the Sakuras will just sound fine with the Euros, but you do get what you pay for. Besides, you won't really know what you're missing unless you've had a taste of it.  ;)
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: leomar on Sep 04, 2005 at 03:57 PM
bumili ako kahapon ng sakura 387a kay mike sa moses aaron... paired with euros8 bookshelf, since amateure ears pa lang naman ako, i think this is good for a starter setup... good for tuner, cd and dvd movies, hanggang   -38db lang ang gamit ko kasi baka batuhin na ako ng mga kapitbuilding ko e hehe...

my setup is:
pioneer 373
sakura 387a
euros 8 BS

my only disappointment is, it lacks optical/coaxial inputs wherein in my original plan was to connet my 373 via optical/coaxial... well, as they say, you'll get what youre money's worth hehe

it is a good buy afterall, specially if you are in budget like me hehe

btw, mike constantly mentioning sir arthur while we're testing the unit hehe

mabuhay ang pinoydvd!
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: arthurallanj on Sep 05, 2005 at 12:42 PM
Yeah, Mike was actually very helpful and honest when I was just starting out with HT. And that was before naging kumpare ko sya. He's a no BS salesman. I think you'll have a great old time with your Sakura, and di ka rin magsisisi in the end na binili mo sya. Enjoy!  ;D
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: leomar on Sep 05, 2005 at 12:43 PM
btw, sa mga gumagamit ng 387a,

kapag nakaanalog dvd input kau tapos may 5-channel ka, stereo ba lalabas dun? e kung 4-ch diba 2,3,5 ch ung mode nun?
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: fweyd on Sep 05, 2005 at 01:09 PM
ano ba ung cheapest amp na may digital input ?? optical preferably.. sayang kc.. naka 4.1 setup na ako (wala center) kaso stereo lang ung sound dahil ung DVD player ko nakakabit ung L/R Out nya sa L/R input ng LD sa AVR ko.. so bali stereo lang tunog..

btw, Oldskul Prologic Yamaha RXV-490 ung receiver ko. :(

balak ko rin since may optical out toh kabit ko sana kung may optical in ung AVR para at least seperate ung sound at hindi na stereo.
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: leomar on Sep 05, 2005 at 01:12 PM
dude ung highend ng generic avr like sakura, konzert,promac mukhang wala pa digital input e, siguro starting form low-end ng mga branded lang meron

ipon ipon muna ako...
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: leomar on Sep 05, 2005 at 06:34 PM
nga pala, wala ba talaga on/off sa sakura avr? baka naman may secret code na on/off dun! kakatamad kasi pindutin ung  on/off sa avr receiver mismo e hehe
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: leomar on Sep 14, 2005 at 11:00 AM
sir arthur,

pede ba magsave ng customised bass/trebble settings sa sakura? pls help! hehe
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: arthurallanj on Sep 19, 2005 at 12:06 PM
sir arthur,

pede ba magsave ng customised bass/trebble settings sa sakura? pls help! hehe

I really couldn't say since I have a different model, the AV1600. My Sakura retains it's previous settings everytime I turn it off or on again. Let's ask other AV387 owners. ;D

And with regards to your previous questions, wala talagang electronic on and off switch ang Sakura. But to me, this can also be and advantage. You don't have to unplug your unit everytime you stop using it. Appliances with electronic switches, as experts would advise for safety's sake, require unplugging to protect it from surges and electrical "whathaveyous". You're assured that the amp is not consuming any electricity even if it is plugged because of the mechanical switch, it is physically unplugged. Me? I always turn off the extension's switch everytime I'm done with my stuff. This ensures me na di sya konektado sa outlet which can be dangerous.

And, although going digital is still best, it isn't totally a bad thing kung analog ka lang, medyo inconvenient at times but okay lang. Most generic dvd players already have the built in decoder so all you need is to amplify those signals, that's what they are there for and also why Sakura 5 ch amps exist. The main inconvenience nya is when listening to 2 ch sources, you'd have to switch to an input that utilizes the prologic processing.

The reason why stereo ang lumalabas and only your fronts ang umamandar is because the dvd player is only sending out signals to the front left and right input of the amp, so only these are amplified. Remember, at 5.1 input mode, Sakura amps only amplify, no more. Only at 2 ch input modes can the pro logic processor be utilized, this is the reason I recommend attaching another pair of RCA cables from the main left and right of the dvd player to any 2 ch input of the amp, say VCD or AUX. If your 387 has a Digital Signal Processor, it can be set to 4ch modes like LIVE, HALL, etc. Even though you're using a 2 ch source. The 2ch mode stands for stereo mode, the 3 ch mode stereo with a center but no surrounds, 5 ch, either 5.1 or prologic mode. The DSP mode is quite useful if you don't have or don't plan to use a center speaker.]

Bro fweyd,

If your amp is indeed a prologic amp, I don't see why yung front speakers mo lang ang umaandar. Unless, naka off ang prologic processing or may setting ka that turned off the surrounds. You can still enjoy movie sources without a center using prologic "phantom mode" or utilizing Yamaha's CinemaDSP processing.

Hope I helped.  ;D
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: leomar on Sep 19, 2005 at 02:40 PM
sir arthurs says:
Bro fweyd,

If your amp is indeed a prologic amp, I don't see why yung front speakers mo lang ang umaandar. Unless, naka off ang prologic processing or may setting ka that turned off the surrounds. You can still enjoy movie sources without a center using prologic "phantom mode" or utilizing Yamaha's CinemaDSP processing.


--- may tanong ulit ako, btw, may euros8 center na rin ako hehe kapag naka prologic mode, may parang options dun sa gilid ng lcd na wide, normal, phantom... ngaun hindi ko alam kung paano maadjust un, lagi lang siya nasa normal at ano magiging effect nun sa 3-speaker setup or sa 5.1 setup...

thanks ulit, pasensya na sa newbieng tulad ko hehe
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: av_phile1 on Sep 19, 2005 at 03:11 PM

--- may tanong ulit ako, btw, may euros8 center na rin ako hehe kapag naka prologic mode, may parang options dun sa gilid ng lcd na wide, normal, phantom... ngaun hindi ko alam kung paano maadjust un, lagi lang siya nasa normal at ano magiging effect nun sa 3-speaker setup or sa 5.1 setup...

thanks ulit, pasensya na sa newbieng tulad ko hehe

Wide -  full range frequencies go to the center channel/spkr. Use only with full range center speakers capable of bass, or center speaker that is IDENTICAL with your L and R fronts.

Normal - bass is directed to L and R fronts or Subs if activated.  Default condition and best for most center speakers.

Phantom -  Use if you have no center speaker; matrixed center information is routed to L and R speakers so you get a "phantomed" center image just like ordinary stereo pair.
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: leomar on Sep 19, 2005 at 04:33 PM
ang saya talaga dito, andami ko natututunan! hehe

thanks sir AV_phile and sir Arthur!

kaya pala pala kapag if i turn on the subw button may bass lumalabas sa 2 frons! hehe
so if ever na magkasub ako, kapag pinindot ko ung subw button sa avr, mapupunta ba lahat ng LFE sa Sub lang or Sub and L/R speakers!?

hehe as usual, newbie question! hehe
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: arthurallanj on Sep 20, 2005 at 10:31 AM
I personally don't like the wide mode, since it seems to lessen the focus on the center speaker. The dialogue's focus also seems lost at wide mode. But, different strokes for different folks.  ;)
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: rustyns on Oct 02, 2005 at 02:42 PM
check this out:

http://www.pbase.com/chino1328/image/27351304

that is a sakura 387. you can see that the the center and rear speakers  speakers impedance range is from 8ohms-16ohms. so pano nangyari na may mga gumagamit ng wharfedale speakers dito as rear/center eh 6ohms sila diba?pakiexplain naman. medyo nagdadalawang isip tuloy ako bumili ng wharfedale WH2.



Does anybody have pics of the insides?

Rusty
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: sanmig_ph on Oct 11, 2005 at 05:41 PM
tanong ko lang po kung meron pang sakura na pang stereo lang (2 channel)?
im going to use it for bass shaker?  magkano kaya ganitong amp?
thanks
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: JojoD818 on Oct 12, 2005 at 09:45 AM
can somebody please tell me what "NS" means?

I recently saw a Sakura amp schematic and it says "550W+550W@NS8ohms". Sadly, I didn't pay too much attention to it's model number. It just makes me wonder how they get that kind of power with a 3A transformer.

Thanks
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: arthurallanj on Oct 12, 2005 at 12:17 PM
tanong ko lang po kung meron pang sakura na pang stereo lang (2 channel)?
im going to use it for bass shaker?  magkano kaya ganitong amp?
thanks

I once got a Sakura stereo amp, it cost me 1,500 pesos. Yes, they can go as low as that, maybe even lower. :)
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: arthurallanj on Oct 12, 2005 at 12:26 PM
can somebody please tell me what "NS" means?

I recently saw a Sakura amp schematic and it says "550W+550W@NS8ohms". Sadly, I didn't pay too much attention to it's model number. It just makes me wonder how they get that kind of power with a 3A transformer.

Thanks


Yeah, what's NS?

Maybe it gets that power at high THD. My Sakura has a rating at 300W+300W @ 10 %THD.
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: rustyns on Oct 12, 2005 at 05:18 PM
Meron akong napakinggan na mga 2 channel sakura amps. Kung power ang paguusapan, malakas talaga.

Yung 5024, ito ata ang ginagamit nung mga videoke machines. Around 500 watts daw ito pero I'd guess the real RMS wattage is alot less than 500 but more than 100

Yun namang 737a, medyo mahal pero grabe ang lakas nito. 1400 daw ang wattage ;D Napakinggan ko to with a Behringer 18inch speaker, nasa 8 o'clock pa lang ang volume, nalalaglag na ang mga alikabok mula sa kisame. High current yata ito, yung type na di mo pwedeng ilipat ang speaker wires habang may music dahil makukuryente ka. The only other amp I've seen that does that is the Adcom GFA-585. Tinanong ko sa tech kung ano ang actual RMS wattage, di daw niya alam pero meron daw several 12amp rectifier diodes and +/-75V DC ang supply - whatever that means ???. Meron ata itong smaller brother, di ko matandaan yung model pero a bit less power and features for almost half the price.

Rusty
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: JojoD818 on Oct 12, 2005 at 08:06 PM
Yeah, what's NS?

Maybe it gets that power at high THD. My Sakura has a rating at 300W+300W @ 10 %THD.

 ??? I'm very confused lang talaga.  ;D anyway the topology is very good, like most known brand amps i've had the chance to look at. and at least your amp had a rating which has 10%THD included.

I once got a Sakura stereo amp, it cost me 1,500 pesos. Yes, they can go as low as that, maybe even lower. :)

napakamura pala naman nyan bro, yun nabuksan ko naka torroidal pa eh. hhmmm.... baka pwede bili ako nyan tapos kakalasin ko yun transformer!  ;D ;D ;D

joke lang ha, seriously I'm impressed by the power of that amp.

Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: JojoD818 on Oct 12, 2005 at 08:11 PM
Meron akong napakinggan na mga 2 channel sakura amps. Kung power ang paguusapan, malakas talaga.

Yung 5024, ito ata ang ginagamit nung mga videoke machines. Around 500 watts daw ito pero I'd guess the real RMS wattage is alot less than 500 but more than 100

Yun namang 737a, medyo mahal pero grabe ang lakas nito. 1400 daw ang wattage ;D Napakinggan ko to with a Behringer 18inch speaker, nasa 8 o'clock pa lang ang volume, nalalaglag na ang mga alikabok mula sa kisame. High current yata ito, yung type na di mo pwedeng ilipat ang speaker wires habang may music dahil makukuryente ka. The only other amp I've seen that does that is the Adcom GFA-585. Tinanong ko sa tech kung ano ang actual RMS wattage, di daw niya alam pero meron daw several 12amp rectifier diodes and +/-75V DC ang supply - whatever that means ???. Meron ata itong smaller brother, di ko matandaan yung model pero a bit less power and features for almost half the price.

Rusty

yun leach amp ko 75Amp bridge rectifier at +/-63VDC supply and mga 120W lang nakalagay sa internet, mukhang ok yan 737A sir.  :D

hhmmm.... sana meron schematic yun 737A sa manual. sino meron manual?  ;D

Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: arthurallanj on Oct 13, 2005 at 09:00 AM
Yeah, bro Jo, my 1,500-peso Sakura amp also had a toroidal transformer, grabe no?  ;D
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: JojoD818 on Oct 13, 2005 at 11:13 AM
Yeah, bro Jo, my 1,500-peso Sakura amp also had a toroidal transformer, grabe no?  ;D

ohlala! grabe talaga bro, makes me wanna buy one and snatch that darn toroidal tranny for a gainclone project.  ;D ;D oh and I like their volume pots that have those clicks when you turn it.  ;)

I like what I hear, apart from the occasional cloudiness in the mids and treble, and sometimes boomy bass but can be remedied with the tone controls, Sakura's amp section is very good indeed. Though I seriously doubt their power ratings. But how the heck did they come up with that price? the Toshiba C5198/A1941 power transistors alone will cost them half the selling price. Beats the hell out of local ss amp manufacturers in my opinion.

Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: av_phile1 on Oct 13, 2005 at 03:40 PM
Meron akong napakinggan na mga 2 channel sakura amps. Kung power ang paguusapan, malakas talaga.

Yun namang 737a, medyo mahal pero grabe ang lakas nito. 1400 daw ang wattage ;D Napakinggan ko to with a Behringer 18inch speaker, nasa 8 o'clock pa lang ang volume, nalalaglag na ang mga alikabok mula sa kisame. High current yata ito,

Some commercial gears are medyo madaya when using volume controls.  They don't behave linearly.  It's possible you'd be getting already 90% of the rated power at the 10 O'clock position already.  So anything higher might be unlistenable.  That's a way of eliciting "hey look how powerful it is already at the 8 O'clock position, imagine how much more powerful at half-way mark!"  Not so.  You could get the amp to operate in the non-linear regions dishing out oodles of THDs past this point. 

Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: av_phile1 on Oct 13, 2005 at 03:47 PM

napakamura pala naman nyan bro, yun nabuksan ko naka torroidal pa eh. hhmmm.... baka pwede bili ako nyan tapos kakalasin ko yun transformer!  ;D ;D ;D


There's a 5-channel Sakura where I saw through its perforated top covers TWO(2) torroids. Just slightly over 2.5T if I recall right.  Might be a better choice for extracting the trannies.   ;D
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: JojoD818 on Oct 13, 2005 at 11:13 PM
There's a 5-channel Sakura where I saw through its perforated top covers TWO(2) torroids. Just lightly over 2.5T if I recall right.  Might be a better choice for extracting the trannies.   ;D

huwow! two toroid trannies for 2.5K? I really got to get me one of these!  ;D

pardon: please excuse me especially to those who own this brand of amps. i'm just so excited because I have been doing the math on how these guys come up with their price and my goodness my computations are far too long. i just can't explain how they can keep their prices that looowww.

Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: rustyns on Oct 13, 2005 at 11:22 PM
Some commercial gears are medyo madaya when using volume controls.  They don't behave linearly.  It's possible you'd be getting already 90% of the rated power at the 10 O'clock position already.  So anything higher might be unlistenable.  That's a way of eliciting "hey look how powerful it is already at the 8 O'clock position, imagine how much more powerful at half-way mark!"  Not so.  You could get the amp to operate in the non-linear regions dishing out oodles of THDs past this point. 



Yes, that is probably the case. Newbie mistake on my part.  :)
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: ATJr. on Oct 14, 2005 at 07:49 AM
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But how the heck did they come up with that price? the Toshiba C5198/A1941 power transistors alone will cost them half the selling price. Beats the hell out of local ss amp manufacturers in my opinion.


jojo,
this is what we call "economy of scale!" you can buy those trannies for 500 a pair, but SAKURA buys them by the thousands! that way they get it for say maybe 20 pesos per pair! this hold true for other parts as welll!

guys,
let us please drop the term "watts rms" there is no such thing! rms is applied correctly to voltage and currents. now since power is voltage times current, the product therefore is not "rms", the correct term is watts average!
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: ATJr. on Oct 14, 2005 at 07:55 AM
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several 12amp rectifier diodes and +/-75V DC ang supply

with that kind of rail, it is possible to get 200watts into 8 ohms, using sine waves! however it also depends on the weight of the power transformer wether indeed it can deliver that kind of power on a sustained basis!
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: ATJr. on Oct 14, 2005 at 08:02 AM
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yun leach amp ko 75Amp bridge rectifier

ganito ba yon? ;D

this one is a 72 amp bridge!
(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b201/tecson/CIMG0091.jpg)
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: av_phile1 on Oct 14, 2005 at 05:53 PM

guys,
let us please drop the term "watts rms" there is no such thing! rms is applied correctly to voltage and currents. now since power is voltage times current, the product therefore is not "rms", the correct term is watts average!

True,  I won't defend it, but I can accept it.  The industry seems to have accepted this erroneous "lingo" of watts RMS so you see them even on the spec literatures of some of the more respected brands(who probably should know better than use the terms)   It has become an abbreviated way of saying CONTINTUOUS or AVERAGE power.  Sometimes in combination such as "continuous RMS." It may not mean anything technically, but it has become a rather useful spec comparing brands that use the same FTC measurement methods to arrive at it.  (Heck, I think even the FTC used those terms.  ;D ) Definitely more meaningful than PMPO.   ;D
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: av_phile1 on Oct 14, 2005 at 06:03 PM
with that kind of rail, it is possible to get 200watts into 8 ohms, using sine waves! however it also depends on the weight of the power transformer wether indeed it can deliver that kind of power on a sustained basis!

I think the rail fuse amperage and the rectified voltages can indicate the maximum INPUT power available to the amp, before blowing the fuses.  I'd imagine those rail fuses also indicate that the tranny would be capable of delivering that much current.   Then we have to consider that A/B amps are only around 60% efficient, wasting 40% of the available input power as heat dissipated in heatsinks.  Then you can arrive at a more realistic power OUTPUT before blowing the fuse, right?   ;D 
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: JojoD818 on Oct 15, 2005 at 10:40 AM
jojo,
this is what we call "economy of scale!" you can buy those trannies for 500 a pair, but SAKURA buys them by the thousands! that way they get it for say maybe 20 pesos per pair! this hold true for other parts as welll!



come on, don't you think I know that? I don't base my computations on "raon" prices. I have inquired wholesale prices directly from the parts respective manufacturers and suppliers. even by the tens of thousands those power transistors and trannies won't come close to your initial computations. even if the parts aren't original and comes from another manufacturer it still doesn't come close.


guys,
let us please drop the term "watts rms" there is no such thing! rms is applied correctly to voltage and currents. now since power is voltage times current, the product therefore is not "rms", the correct term is watts average!


this is like saying what you learn in school is wrong or what they teach you is wrong. what if the voltage wasn't used in your equation? what if a resistive load was used?

teach us so we may learn from our mistakes...

"no matter how good you are, you are bound to make dumb mistakes" - Neil Armstrong
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: ATJr. on Oct 15, 2005 at 12:48 PM
jojo,

economy of scale is how amp makers make money! building one or two amps cost much more in the long run than making thousands! that is the point i am trying to make! ;D ;D ;D

that is why being diy'ers we do not really save money, we spend more in fact becuase we buy parts in single pieces!

that is why i admire mr. andrew, of AMX, for offering such bang for the buck amps!
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: ATJr. on Oct 15, 2005 at 12:54 PM
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this is like saying what you learn in school is wrong or what they teach you is wrong.


i never said that, you did! ;D
electrical concepts are found in books, many engineering books have these! it did not originate from me!
you can read this link, maybe you can learn from this:http://www.hifi-writer.com/he/misc/rmspower.htm

happy weekend! ;D
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: JojoD818 on Oct 15, 2005 at 01:17 PM
jojo,

economy of scale is how amp makers make money! building one or two amps cost much more in the long run than making thousands! that is the point i am trying to make! ;D ;D ;D



 :D i know that already, or should I say I get your point. but besides considering your point, it still doesn't add up the cost of their amps! even if they are paying cash up front to their suppliers, the question then is how do the suppliers be able to drop down their prices beyond the mark they got it from? or maybe the parts are obsolete and they get it for less. i am very impressed by their economics then.

Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: JojoD818 on Oct 15, 2005 at 01:46 PM


i never said that, you did! ;D
electrical concepts are found in books, many engineering books have these! it did not originate from me!
you can read this link, maybe you can learn from this:http://www.hifi-writer.com/he/misc/rmspower.htm

happy weekend! ;D

I know what I said, and what I said is based on what you said. I read books too you know, but I don't just base my assumptions on them.

I would gladly correct my education if for some reason the original author whom even Mr. Dawson does not know can even present his official paper to the industry accepted measuring body.

If that happens, then the electronics industry as well as the people who buy such products should refrain from using the term "rms" or using the "rms" term to quantisize an amp's power. However, until such time has come then the whole paper should also be meaningless until approved.

I sure hope they can find the original author and settle this rms hoolah once and for all.

Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: ATJr. on Oct 15, 2005 at 02:39 PM
power!

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/electric/powerac.html
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: JojoD818 on Oct 15, 2005 at 03:17 PM
master tony, I think the proper thread to post that is to start a thread named Physiscs 101.

medyo OT na tayo sa Sakura amps.

 :D
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: eXg on Oct 16, 2005 at 07:37 AM
Going back to Sakura....

They really are efficient (cost-wise and speed):  may tube amps na din sila 8)  Unfortuntately, not that cheap like their SS amps.   

But check out their new 5.1 channel hybrid amp -- cool-looking (except for the mirror  :-\) and really looks like a good deal: P10k++ lg.  Wala akong mahiram na spec sheet kaya wala akong nakuhang details. :( hope soon.

Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: ATJr. on Oct 16, 2005 at 08:20 AM
hey eXG,

do they have ashowroom in raon or anyplace that you know of?

thanks,
tony
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: JojoD818 on Oct 17, 2005 at 11:34 AM
sa raon shopping center sa corner ng raon and quezon blvd ang dami naka display.

eXg,

I hope next time you can get the model#.  ;D I'm not interested in their specs since they're kinda misleading. But I sure am willing to look what's ticking inside.  ;D

Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: eXg on Oct 17, 2005 at 01:59 PM
I don't know of any Sakura showroom but this hybrid unit is in Spectra (Mkti). 

Briefly listened to it in HT setup and it was good. (Got a feeling that the subw was not connected correctly tho'.) Looks like 12ax7's on input stage.  Nobody can confirm exactly the tube.

Model: MARCH-006 (or so it reads  :-\)

Massive champagne looks and WITH REMOTE!!!
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: JojoD818 on Oct 17, 2005 at 06:19 PM
cool! time for some research...

Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: eXg on Oct 20, 2005 at 04:41 PM
JojoD, Any luck in identifying those tubes?
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: av_phile1 on Oct 20, 2005 at 06:10 PM
Di kaya SakuraSystems yan from 47 labs?   Quite expensive, 60T for their model SA600 dishing out 35 watts using EL34 tubes and another model SA400 using 6L6 tubes costing 45T.  Called up Spectra on this hybrid push-pull type amps.  Scant information is available.  ALso made in China, presumably bought by Sakura but a far cry from the sakura amps pricing we know.    At those prices, I think you can buy a second hand Jolida or Antique Sound Lab at Sensible Audio.  ;D
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: JojoD818 on Oct 21, 2005 at 12:22 PM
JojoD, Any luck in identifying those tubes?

nah, been very busy this past few days... but I'll keep my eyes open for that model....

 ;D
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: JojoD818 on Nov 04, 2005 at 09:23 PM
eXg,

hindi pa nila alam sa raon yun model na may tubes, sayang sana pala nakita mo yun model nya. or baka naman late lang silang magkaroon ng ganoon na model.

 :)
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: S_x_E on Nov 06, 2005 at 02:48 PM
mga sir,

pwede ba tong ganitong set up?

PC ---> Sakura Amp ---> Speakers?

pc with sound blaster audigy using analog connection..

kung pwede, pano?
anu ano mga kelangang connections?
saka true 5.1 ba makukuha kong sound?
me dd and dts decoder na kc ung sound card ko e..

thanks
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: rustyns on Nov 06, 2005 at 08:05 PM
Hello sxe,

I don't have a Sakura amp nor a sound blaster audigy sound card. 

But my pc has a dvdrom. It also has a sound card that can be set up to output 5.1. When configured for 5.1, front L/R comes out of the speaker out, surround L/R comes out of the line out and and center/sub comes out of the mic socket.

It was unwieldy but it worked. Here's what I did:

1. configured the sound card for 5.1
2. connected 3 stereo amps to 2 front speakers, 2 rear speakers, 1 center speaker and 1 passive diy sub
3. connected 3 ordinary pairs of rca wires between the 3 amps and the sound card - I had to use 3 of those little things that have an ordinary male stereo jack at one end and two female rca connectors at the other.
4. Popped in a dvd and after SEVERAL minutes tweaking THREE volume controls, THREE balance knobs and the pc volume, I enjoyed watching.

In short, pwede  ;D

Personally though, I would prefer not to watch using my pc dvd all the time.

Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: ATJr. on Nov 06, 2005 at 09:24 PM
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I had to use 3 of those little things that have an ordinary male stereo jack at one end and two female rca connectors at the other.

hi,

they are called,stereo baby phone plug to rca cables...

Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: S_x_E on Nov 06, 2005 at 09:58 PM
thanks rustyns and 2ny...

me question pa ulit ako..
"TRUE" 5.1 ba lalabas o sabay sabay lng ung tunog?

saka mas maganda ba tunog kung "real" speakers with sakura amp gagamitin ko kesa sa mga powered pc speakers?

TIA
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: rustyns on Nov 06, 2005 at 10:39 PM
cheap lang yung sound card ko but yes, discrete (if that's the correct word) bawat channel.
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: S_x_E on Nov 06, 2005 at 10:44 PM
salamat rustyns
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: indie boi on Nov 21, 2005 at 02:48 PM
If I do get a Sakura amp, what model would you recommend? And what is its price? Ok ba ang amp na to power my AKG headphones? Right now I only plan to use the amp to power a set of front speakers for audio listening -- a HT setup is still far from my mind at this point.

Thanks in advance!
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: bumblebee on Nov 22, 2005 at 08:56 AM
If I do get a Sakura amp, what model would you recommend? And what is its price? Ok ba ang amp na to power my AKG headphones? Right now I only plan to use the amp to power a set of front speakers for audio listening -- a HT setup is still far from my mind at this point.

Thanks in advance!

Hi indie.

The Sakura 387 is often metioned here. Try visiting Moses Aaron in Raon. If you're not setting up an HT soon, why not get integrated amps instead.
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: indie boi on Nov 22, 2005 at 12:44 PM
Hi indie.

The Sakura 387 is often metioned here. Try visiting Moses Aaron in Raon. If you're not setting up an HT soon, why not get integrated amps instead.

Thanks pre! I'm really new to this (as in I'm coming in with zero knowledge). What is an integrated amp and what is its difference to a Sakura 387? Also what is the difference of the 387 to the 387A?

Thanks in advance for the help and the patience!!
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: bumblebee on Nov 22, 2005 at 01:02 PM
Thanks pre! I'm really new to this (as in I'm coming in with zero knowledge). What is an integrated amp and what is its difference to a Sakura 387? Also what is the difference of the 387 to the 387A?

Thanks in advance for the help and the patience!!

Let me try.

An integrated amp is usually a two-channel (can also be multi-channel) amp w/ a built-in preamp.
A preamp is where you insert the output from your player. It has volume controls, input selectors (optional) and tone controls (optional).

Add a built-in tuner to an integrated amp and you have a receiver.

Receivers can be stereo or multi-channel.

Audio/Video (AV) receivers have DD/DTS processors.

Sakura also have integrated amps and they are cheaper.
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: indie boi on Nov 22, 2005 at 01:14 PM
PM'ed you bro Bumblebee!
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: bumblebee on Nov 22, 2005 at 01:15 PM
PM'ed you bro Bumblebee!

Wala pa po.
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: arthurallanj on Nov 23, 2005 at 08:36 AM
Also what is the difference of the 387 to the 387A?


The 387A has a new, better looking (IMHO) faceplate. I think the amp specs are just the same.  :)
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: X-®an™ on Nov 23, 2005 at 01:01 PM
I don't know of any Sakura showroom but this hybrid unit is in Spectra (Mkti). 

Briefly listened to it in HT setup and it was good. (Got a feeling that the subw was not connected correctly tho'.) Looks like 12ax7's on input stage.  Nobody can confirm exactly the tube.

Model: MARCH-006 (or so it reads  :-\)

Massive champagne looks and WITH REMOTE!!!


Any new news on this hybrid unit?  And newbie Q po... ano magiging advantage nitong hybrid unit na ito as against the Sakura AV387a?
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: bumblebee on Nov 23, 2005 at 08:30 PM
The 387A has a new, better looking (IMHO) faceplate. I think the amp specs are just the same.  :)


Is the 387A an AV receiver? Meaning me tuner and DD/DTS?

Thanks.
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: arthurallanj on Nov 24, 2005 at 09:26 AM
Is the 387A an AV receiver? Meaning me tuner and DD/DTS?

Thanks.

It has a built-in tuner, but no DD/DTS decoder. It has a 5-channel input, though. So you must have a DVD player that's a built-in DD/DTS decoder, like the very inexpensive and feature-packed, generic-branded DVD players out there. The 5 channel input is where you connect the 5 channel output of the DVD player. So, you rely on your DVD player for decoding and use the Sakura 387A to amplify the signals.  :)
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: bumblebee on Nov 24, 2005 at 01:30 PM
Thanks for that, Sir Art :) Magkano nga uli? ;D 387A tsaka yung integrateds ;D
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: arthurallanj on Nov 24, 2005 at 02:07 PM
Thanks for that, Sir Art :) Magkano nga uli? ;D 387A tsaka yung integrateds ;D

I once saw one that was priced at 3,300. As far as my knowledge goes, integrated amps are amps that have multi inputs and maybe a tuner.
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: bumblebee on Nov 24, 2005 at 02:09 PM
I once saw one that was priced at 3,300. As far as my knowledge goes, integrated amps are amps that have multi inputs and maybe a tuner.

Thanks po ulit :)
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: av_phile1 on Nov 24, 2005 at 02:33 PM
I once saw one that was priced at 3,300. As far as my knowledge goes, integrated amps are amps that have multi inputs and maybe a tuner.

Integrated amps are preamp + power amp in one box.  With a radio tuner in the same box, they start to be called receivers. 
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: leomar on Nov 24, 2005 at 05:12 PM
bumblebee

kung balak mo bumili ng 387a, sa raon ka pumunta sa moses aaron kay sir mike...
friendly un, may kasama pang tips saka 5% discount hehe
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: indie boi on Nov 24, 2005 at 06:47 PM
meron ba kayong picture ng 387a?
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: bumblebee on Nov 24, 2005 at 06:54 PM
meron ba kayong picture ng 387a?

Can't find 387A. Below is just to give you an idea.

check this out:

http://www.pbase.com/chino1328/image/27351304

that is a sakura 387. you can see that the the center and rear speakers  speakers impedance range is from 8ohms-16ohms. so pano nangyari na may mga gumagamit ng wharfedale speakers dito as rear/center eh 6ohms sila diba?pakiexplain naman. medyo nagdadalawang isip tuloy ako bumili ng wharfedale WH2.


Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: indie boi on Nov 24, 2005 at 11:40 PM
Thanks for the link! looking at the pictures, wala ba talagang coax or optical ang Sakura?
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: bumblebee on Nov 25, 2005 at 07:39 AM
Thanks for the link! looking at the pictures, wala ba talagang coax or optical ang Sakura?

It doesn't have DD/DTS processing. You need a DVD player w/ 5.1 analog output.
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: leomar on Nov 25, 2005 at 11:04 AM
@indie boi
wala sir, generic kasi siya pero prologic capable naman
kelangan mo ng dvd player with dts/dd decoder
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: bumblebee on Nov 25, 2005 at 11:06 AM
Hi leomar.

Are you using the 387A? Can you post pics?

Thanks :)
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: leomar on Nov 25, 2005 at 02:29 PM
Hi leomar.

Are you using the 387A? Can you post pics?

Thanks :)

i use to pero in-upgrade ko na to yammie...
ala ako digicam e  ;D

pero hindi ka magsisisi kapag sakura binili mo over konzert, konzert kasi tunog lata hehe
we tested sakura 387a and konzert avr300r side by side using konzert speaker sa raon,
konzert sounded like empty can dragged by a tricycle pero ung sakura smooth and mas buo ang tunog...

well test mo din bro baka magustuhan mo din tunog niya  ;D
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: arthurallanj on Nov 28, 2005 at 09:31 AM
Integrated amps are preamp + power amp in one box.  With a radio tuner in the same box, they start to be called receivers. 

Thanks for that enlightening info, sir AV.  ;D I was also confused.

Para di OT: It is common knowledge that when it comes to entry level analog HT amps, Sakura is at the top.
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: leomar on Nov 28, 2005 at 02:34 PM
It is common knowledge that when it comes to entry level analog HT amps, Sakura is at the top.

tama! take it from dj art!
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: bumblebee on Nov 28, 2005 at 03:33 PM
Is the 387A the flagship model? Pa-post naman po ng ibang models ng Sakura.

Thanks :)
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: rustyns on Nov 28, 2005 at 04:15 PM
Is the 387A the flagship model? Pa-post naman po ng ibang models ng Sakura.

Thanks :)

For 5.1, I think, yes it's 387a(receiver).  There's also a 5.1 integrated(can't remember the model)

For 2 channel, in my opinion, 737a is worth a look (listen?). 5024 is also an option.

Sir Jojo mentioned seeing some sakura tube amps.

I'm sure someone will chime in to complete the list.

just my 2cents :-)


Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: bumblebee on Nov 29, 2005 at 07:49 AM
Thanks rustyns. How about specs?

TIA.
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: rustyns on Nov 29, 2005 at 10:13 AM
Thanks rustyns. How about specs?

TIA.

I don't have manuals for the above amps since I don't personally own any of them (yet). So I don't know the detailed specs. What I can remember are the "published" watts per channel.

387a - Front 250 WPC, Surround and Center 50 WPC
737a - 1,400 WPC :o
5024 - 500 WPC

I'm not sure if that would be of any help  ;D
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: bumblebee on Nov 29, 2005 at 10:24 AM
I don't have manuals for the above amps since I don't personally own any of them (yet). So I don't know the detailed specs. What I can remember are the "published" watts per channel.

387a - Front 250 WPC, Surround and Center 50 WPC
737a - 1,400 WPC :o
5024 - 500 WPC

I'm not sure if that would be of any help  ;D

Thanks uli, rustyns. That certainly helped a lot :)
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: Hot Mama on Nov 29, 2005 at 10:27 AM
Guys,

Where can i get Sakura Amps within Makati area?

Thanks,
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: bumblebee on Nov 29, 2005 at 11:23 AM
Guys,

Where can i get Sakura Amps within Makati area?

Thanks,

Try Phasetron, Park Square 1.

If I recall correctly, I saw some Sakura's in Anson's.

Go to Raon para sigurado.
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: X-®an™ on Nov 29, 2005 at 12:51 PM
The 387A has a new, better looking (IMHO) faceplate. I think the amp specs are just the same.  :)



Just bought a Sakura AV387a yesterday from Moses Aaron.  Bro arturallanj, I hope you don't mind me using your name to get that 5% discount.  Also bought a DTX 4.12 subwoofer.  My fronts will be those Euro 8 towers which I will hopefully be getting today at SM Megamall.  Since I'm new to this, I will be fielding some newbie questions to you guys from time to time.

Thanks in advance!
 ;)

Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: rustyns on Nov 29, 2005 at 12:56 PM

Just bought a Sakura AV387a yesterday from Moses Aaron.  Bro arturallanj, I hope you don't mind me using your name to get that 5% discount.  Also bought a DTX 4.12 subwoofer.  My fronts will be those Euro 8 towers which I will hopefully be getting today at SM Megamall.  Since I'm new to this, I will be fielding some newbie questions to you guys from time to time.

Thanks in advance!
 ;)



Magkano na ngayon ang av387a? How about yung DTX 4.12?

Thanks
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: X-®an™ on Nov 29, 2005 at 01:03 PM
Magkano na ngayon ang av387a? How about yung DTX 4.12?

Thanks

Sakura AV387a = PhP 3700 less 5% = PhP 3515
DTX 4.12 = PhP 7500 less 5% = PhP 7125

Call them for availability of the DTX first.
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: rustyns on Nov 29, 2005 at 01:06 PM
Thanks X-Ran
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: JojoD818 on Nov 29, 2005 at 01:37 PM
guys,

very elusive yan tubed Sakura amp. up to now wala pa ako makita for audition, i bet yun mga fellow members natin near makati can try and audition it from audio shops in makati where it was last sighted. don't forget to review!

cheers!

Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: X-®an™ on Nov 29, 2005 at 01:43 PM
guys,

very elusive yan tubed Sakura amp. up to now wala pa ako makita for audition, i bet yun mga fellow members natin near makati can try and audition it from audio shops in makati where it was last sighted. don't forget to review!

cheers!




Was also waiting for that review of the 'hybrid' amp.  Sa tagal, bumili na lang ako ng Sakura AV-387.

And to repost my query before: Ano magiging advantage nitong hybrid unit na ito as against the Sakura AV387a?

Thanks in advance!
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: bumblebee on Nov 29, 2005 at 01:46 PM

Was also waiting for that review of the 'hybrid' amp.  Sa tagal, bumili na lang ako ng Sakura AV-387.

And to repost my query before: Ano magiging advantage nitong hybrid unit na ito as against the Sakura AV387a?

Thanks in advance!


Tubey sound because of the preamp?
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: JojoD818 on Nov 29, 2005 at 02:09 PM
syempre tubey.  ;D seriously, hybrid front-ends tends to minimize input clipping by squashing clipped signals. i imagine it to sound good, kaya lang very elusive.  ;D

Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: leomar on Nov 29, 2005 at 04:23 PM
congrats x-ran!
hindi ka magsisisi sa sakura mo!
how is it going so far?

euros8 tower pa? naku, super sulit na yan! hehe
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: bumblebee on Nov 29, 2005 at 07:07 PM
Pa-post naman po ng pics :)
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: arthurallanj on Nov 30, 2005 at 09:23 AM

Just bought a Sakura AV387a yesterday from Moses Aaron.  Bro arturallanj, I hope you don't mind me using your name to get that 5% discount.  Also bought a DTX 4.12 subwoofer.  My fronts will be those Euro 8 towers which I will hopefully be getting today at SM Megamall.  Since I'm new to this, I will be fielding some newbie questions to you guys from time to time.

Thanks in advance!
 ;)



Isn't that the way of brotherhood? Of course, I don't mind! It works for everyone. Dealers get more sales, you, my brothers, get discounts and I, get a better record at their store, which helps make me a special customer to them.

Here's another tip: Ask Pareng Mike (yes, he is literally my kumpare, he became that because he was a good friend when I was just starting out with my HT hobby) for their prices of the Euros 8 speakers, compare it with the prices at Mega, then inform Mike of the prices if it's lower at Mega. Maybe he can match the prices at Mega or even go lower. I got my entire Euros 8 system last year at Moses Aaron, the price difference was significant that time. But if mas mura pa rin sa Mega in the end, then get them at Mega. Ingat.  ;D
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: leomar on Nov 30, 2005 at 09:48 AM
the last time i asked moses aaron about the towers, they're selling it for PhP10k, at mega? PhP6k   ;D

that was october, ewan ko lang ngaun  ;D
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: atomicat10 on Nov 30, 2005 at 10:11 AM
kaya ba ng wharf 9.1 ang sakura 387a? :)
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: bumblebee on Nov 30, 2005 at 10:33 AM
kaya ba ng wharf 9.1 ang sakura 387a? :)

Oo naman. If the Sakura is indeed 250 wpc, wag mo lang itodo.

Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: atomicat10 on Nov 30, 2005 at 10:57 AM
yun nga eh, baka kasi accidentally matodo masira yung 9.1

ask again if this entry level setup is ok na:

387a
WHARFE 9.1 fronts
WH2 surrounds
dtx 4.10 sub
pls.  suggest a center _______

thanks :)
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: bumblebee on Nov 30, 2005 at 10:59 AM
Diamond 9CS. Or another 9.1.
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: atomicat10 on Nov 30, 2005 at 11:06 AM
where can i buy the wharfes cheapest?
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: bumblebee on Nov 30, 2005 at 11:10 AM
Pare-pareho lang ng price e. Mura kc.

Try Ambassador in Park Square 1. Kaso nde yata ganun ka-OK after sales dito.
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: atomicat10 on Nov 30, 2005 at 11:23 AM
howabout speaker cables sir, what do you recommend?

what are banana plugs, are they better? pwede siya sa 387a di ba?

thanks.
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: bumblebee on Nov 30, 2005 at 12:03 PM
howabout speaker cables sir, what do you recommend?

what are banana plugs, are they better? pwede siya sa 387a di ba?

thanks.

I use gauge 12 AudioPro's (gauge 14 is also recommended). Got them from Deeco, Raon. Just remember, the longer the wires, the thicker they should be.

I think the 387 accepts banana plugs. I only use banana plugs for convenience.
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: atomicat10 on Nov 30, 2005 at 12:39 PM
Which is a better combo for 387 wharfes or dai-ichi speakers, what are the notable(but cheap) floor stander models of the 2 brands.

Thanks again. :)
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: arthurallanj on Nov 30, 2005 at 01:24 PM
Which is a better combo for 387 wharfes or dai-ichi speakers, what are the notable(but cheap) floor stander models of the 2 brands.

Thanks again. :)

The most popular but inexpensive floorstanders from Daiichi is the DTX 9.5T. Around 3,300 I think. Entry-level floorstanders from Wharfedale would cost more than twice of that.
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: indie boi on Nov 30, 2005 at 01:43 PM
I'll add in a question to Atomicat's own query...

Are those DTX 9.5Ts a good buy if you plan to setup an audio only setup? If not, what speakers would you recommend that are a good match for a Sakura but are also affordable?
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: rustyns on Nov 30, 2005 at 02:00 PM
Does anybody have detailed specs for the DTX 9.5T?

Sorry, OT na ata ;D
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: arthurallanj on Nov 30, 2005 at 02:06 PM
I'll post it sa Daiichi thread na lang.
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: X-®an™ on Nov 30, 2005 at 03:16 PM
congrats x-ran!
hindi ka magsisisi sa sakura mo!
how is it going so far?

euros8 tower pa? naku, super sulit na yan! hehe


Naka box pa bro...  ;D  Kakakuha ko lang nung Euros 8 towers kanina sa Megamall.
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: X-®an™ on Nov 30, 2005 at 03:19 PM
Isn't that the way of brotherhood? Of course, I don't mind! It works for everyone. Dealers get more sales, you, my brothers, get discounts and I, get a better record at their store, which helps make me a special customer to them.

Here's another tip: Ask Pareng Mike (yes, he is literally my kumpare, he became that because he was a good friend when I was just starting out with my HT hobby) for their prices of the Euros 8 speakers, compare it with the prices at Mega, then inform Mike of the prices if it's lower at Mega. Maybe he can match the prices at Mega or even go lower. I got my entire Euros 8 system last year at Moses Aaron, the price difference was significant that time. But if mas mura pa rin sa Mega in the end, then get them at Mega. Ingat.  ;D

Actually, almost the same price sa Megamall.. I decided to get the Euros 8 towers sa Megamall coz pwedeng i-credit card.  Sinabihang ko nga Pareng Mike mo na i-consider nilang mag-accept ng credit card.  Sabi ko: if ever that happens.. siguradong isang set kaagad pag bumili ang mga taga PinoyDVD.
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: X-®an™ on Nov 30, 2005 at 03:23 PM
the last time i asked moses aaron about the towers, they're selling it for PhP10k, at mega? PhP6k   ;D

that was october, ewan ko lang ngaun  ;D

The price of the towers at Moses Aaron when I asked them last Saturday was PhP 10,125.  Sa Megamall, when I bought it last Sunday was PhP 7,000.  They accepted card kaya binili ko na dun... kaso wala pang stocks nun.. kaya I have to pick it up on a later date (Tuesday the earliest).  When I went to Raon (Moses Aaron) last Monday, I bought the Sakura 387a and the DTX 4.12.  I also asked Mike about why the price of the Euros 8 tower was lower in Mega.  Apparently, may 30% discount pa pala sa kanila... so halos pareho ata when you get it there.
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: X-®an™ on Nov 30, 2005 at 04:06 PM
I'll add in a question to Atomicat's own query...

Are those DTX 9.5Ts a good buy if you plan to setup an audio only setup? If not, what speakers would you recommend that are a good match for a Sakura but are also affordable?


Last Monday at Moses Aaron, while testing my newly-purchased Sakura AV387a and DTX 4.12 subwoofer... Mike used DTX 9.5 floor standers as fronts.  During that time, I wasn't impressed that much with the DTX 9.5... but it may be because I was focusing more on the DTX 4.12 subwoofer and the Sakura.  Mike also mentioned that it would sound better with my Euros 8 towers.  At any rate, I'm also considering these DTX 9.5T for my rear speakers.

As for other recommendation, why don't you try to audition the Euros 6 or maybe even the Euros 8 towers?  The Euros 5 can also be a good bet but John of Dai-1chi Megamall told me that it's for export only hence the lack of any Euros 5 in their showroom.
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: arthurallanj on Nov 30, 2005 at 04:58 PM
I'll add in a question to Atomicat's own query...

Are those DTX 9.5Ts a good buy if you plan to setup an audio only setup? If not, what speakers would you recommend that are a good match for a Sakura but are also affordable?

It's a bit weak at the lower end. So a sub may be a necessity or a warm amp. I have a pair of Daiichi CT-503 mini towers and these are definitely great for audio at it's price. I actually got mine here in Bacolod for about 3,200. My friend has a pair of bigger towers, I forgot the model no. but it's still from the Classique Tower series from Daiichi, cost him 4,200, and these definitely blew us away. The magnets on the woofers are humongous for the woofer cone diameters, almost as big as the cones themselves. But I'm not sure if you'd still find these these days, lumang model na kasi. If you ever find a pair from the Classique Tower series, grab them, they're great. I found a pair at the Raon showroom recently, at the speaker area not at the HT area. Ask if they still sell them.  ;)
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: eXg on Dec 01, 2005 at 07:58 AM
Any new news on this hybrid unit?  And newbie Q po... ano magiging advantage nitong hybrid unit na ito as against the Sakura AV387a?


Passed by Spectra yesterday.  The attendant told me it's using 12au7.   can't compare it with other hybrids in terms of sound.  have to bring it home to be able to do that. hope someone buys so i can borrow to test  :)
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: torque on Dec 01, 2005 at 10:32 AM
I'll add in a question to Atomicat's own query...

Are those DTX 9.5Ts a good buy if you plan to setup an audio only setup? If not, what speakers would you recommend that are a good match for a Sakura but are also affordable?

My previous set-up was DTX 9.5T / Sakura 377 - ok for HT but I'm not really satisfied with the music.
My current set-up is DTX 9.5T / Onkyo 502 - Highs become smoother pero bitin pa rin sa bass bec 9.5T as per spec can only go down to 65Hz. I'm thinking of upgrading my 9.5T to wharfe pero no budget  :'( :'( :'(
Sakura 377 is now connected to Aiwa speaker on our bed room.

I would not recommend DTX 9.5T for audio, maybe the other Daiichi tower speakers would sound better.
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: X-®an™ on Dec 01, 2005 at 12:18 PM
Passed by Spectra yesterday.  The attendant told me it's using 12au7.   can't compare it with other hybrids in terms of sound.  have to bring it home to be able to do that. hope someone buys so i can borrow to test  :)


How much naman kaya itong 'hybrid' Sakura amp na ito?
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: eXg on Dec 01, 2005 at 12:22 PM
Going back to Sakura....

They really are efficient (cost-wise and speed):  may tube amps na din sila 8)  Unfortuntately, not that cheap like their SS amps.   

But check out their new 5.1 channel hybrid amp -- cool-looking (except for the mirror  :-\) and really looks like a good deal: P10k++ lg.  Wala akong mahiram na spec sheet kaya wala akong nakuhang details. :( hope soon.


Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: X-®an™ on Dec 01, 2005 at 12:56 PM
My previous set-up was DTX 9.5T / Sakura 377 - ok for HT but I'm not really satisfied with the music.
My current set-up is DTX 9.5T / Onkyo 502 - Highs become smoother pero bitin pa rin sa bass bec 9.5T as per spec can only go down to 65Hz. I'm thinking of upgrading my 9.5T to wharfe pero no budget  :'( :'( :'(
Sakura 388 is now connected to Aiwa speaker on our bed room.

I would not recommend DTX 9.5T for audio, maybe the other Daiichi tower speakers would sound better.


Yep.  The Euros 8 towers definitely sounded better.  Wasn't able to fully test last night after finally opening all my new 'toys', but from what I heard... the towers sounded good musically even with the DTX 4.12 subwoofer off.  Hope to tell more later when I have the time...
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: leomar on Dec 01, 2005 at 03:09 PM
kahit nga ung BS speakers lang with sakura 387A (first set-up ko), solb na solb na e hehe
paano pa kaya with the two towers...  ;D



Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: X-®an™ on Dec 01, 2005 at 06:56 PM
kahit nga ung BS speakers lang with sakura 387A (first set-up ko), solb na solb na e hehe
paano pa kaya with the two towers...  ;D






Ano na setup mo ngayon bro?
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: atomicat10 on Dec 01, 2005 at 10:06 PM
I saw a relatively new amp model AV-5025 with heatsink both sides in front 400 watts. 3900 pesos 5.1 ready, cool design.

May reviews na ba nito? :) thanks.

I saw a store in Raon where they were giving me the 387A for only P3,250. Ganda pala tumunog nito kaya kahit mobile speakers. Sabi pa ng clerk elemental daw tunog(whatever that means).
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: leomar on Dec 02, 2005 at 10:23 AM

Ano na setup mo ngayon bro?


nag-upgrade na kasi ako to yammie e hehe
my humble set-up:

yamaha rxv-450
euros8 towers
euros8 BS
euros8 Center
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: Alfalfameister on Dec 02, 2005 at 12:33 PM
Where else can one get Sakura 387a? [except Raon... I like places where it is accessible, like Mega Mall or something... okay din Greenhills/Makati/Alabang] Is it worthwhile to upgrade my 327? [EDIT: 327 pala]

My 327 kasi has a defective rear left surround output... pa-fix ko na lang kaya, or is the 387a an okay upgrade?

Tnx.
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: gonefishing on Dec 05, 2005 at 11:24 AM
ok ba kung euro 8 all the way tapos sakura ang amp? ok na ba for dvd w2atching ? I waw supposed to get a yamaha 450 kaso nawala sa budget dqahil I opted to get instead a 51" rptv... so ngayon balik nanaman ako sa sakura...meron bang optical connection ang sakura?
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: X-®an™ on Dec 05, 2005 at 01:12 PM
nag-upgrade na kasi ako to yammie e hehe
my humble set-up:

yamaha rxv-450
euros8 towers
euros8 BS
euros8 Center



Nice setup.  I was also contemplating a Yamaha RXV-450... kaso medyo kinapos sa budget eh.  Ala ka pang subwoofer bro o Euros din yun?
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: X-®an™ on Dec 05, 2005 at 01:14 PM
ok ba kung euro 8 all the way tapos sakura ang amp? ok na ba for dvd w2atching ? I waw supposed to get a yamaha 450 kaso nawala sa budget dqahil I opted to get instead a 51" rptv... so ngayon balik nanaman ako sa sakura...meron bang optical connection ang sakura?


Am not so sure pero wala ata akong napansing optical connection sa Sakura AV387a.  Will double check for you later...

Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: torque on Dec 05, 2005 at 04:17 PM
Wala pong optical connection ang Sakura Integrated Amps (AV327, AV377, AV387)...
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: gonefishing on Dec 05, 2005 at 09:20 PM
Wala pong optical connection ang Sakura Integrated Amps (AV327, AV377, AV387)...

so ibig bang sabihin hinde ko magagamit ang ang dts feature ng pionner player ko?
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: torque on Dec 06, 2005 at 11:28 AM
Bro,
Kung may dts decoder and 5.1 analog output ang pioneer mo, pwede mong i-connect ang dvd player to Sakura amp via 5.1 analog rca connection to hear DTS track. Pero kung DTS out lang pioneer, kailangan ng external DTS decoder, usually found on receivers, para ma-decode ang signal at mapakinggan mo ang DTS track.
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: gonefishing on Dec 06, 2005 at 01:27 PM
Bro,
Kung may dts decoder and 5.1 analog output ang pioneer mo, pwede mong i-connect ang dvd player to Sakura amp via 5.1 analog rca connection to hear DTS track. Pero kung DTS out lang pioneer, kailangan ng external DTS decoder, usually found on receivers, para ma-decode ang signal at mapakinggan mo ang DTS track.

sorry bro, medyo slowako sa ganyan, paano ko malalaman kung meron decoder yun player ko? kailangan bang meron 5.1 ready na nakasulat yun player?

so from what I understand is kung walang decoder ang reciver dapat meron ang player and vice versa? so if sakura ang gamitin kmo dapat hanap ako ng piuonner player na meron decoder? paano ko malalaman kung meron decodr ang player? and mas mura kung pionner na meron decoder ang bilhin then sakura amp ang kasama than yamaha 450 tapos low end pionner player, tama ba calculation ko?
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: bumblebee on Dec 06, 2005 at 02:10 PM
A DVD player have 5.1 decoders if

1. Has 5.1 output (FL/FR/RL/RR/C/SW)
2. "DTS Surround" logo (DTS decoder)

Mas mura yung Pioneer + Sakura.
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: leomar on Dec 06, 2005 at 02:11 PM
sorry bro, medyo slowako sa ganyan, paano ko malalaman kung meron decoder yun player ko? kailangan bang meron 5.1 ready na nakasulat yun player?

so from what I understand is kung walang decoder ang reciver dapat meron ang player and vice versa? so if sakura ang gamitin kmo dapat hanap ako ng piuonner player na meron decoder? paano ko malalaman kung meron decodr ang player? and mas mura kung pionner na meron decoder ang bilhin then sakura amp ang kasama than yamaha 450 tapos low end pionner player, tama ba calculation ko?

dude to answer some of your questions:

1) may built-in dts/dd decoder ang player mo kapag maraming saksakan sa likod,
    in particular look for FL/FR/RL/RR/C/Sub na mga output jacks...
    dito mo ikakabit ung rca jack ng powered 5.1 speakers mo...
    at dapat and logo ng DTS sa harap ng player mo ay DTS Sorround HINDI DTS Digital Out


2) yes mas mura ang pioneer with built-in DTS/DD decoder + Sakura 387a (approx 12k) kaysa
    pioneer no built-in DTS decoder + yamaha 450 (approx 20k)
    PERO
    the bottom line is, ano mas maganda, DAC ng pioneer player o DAC ng yamaha?
    
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: bumblebee on Dec 06, 2005 at 02:21 PM
...
PERO
    the bottom line is, ano mas maganda, DAC ng pioneer player o DAC ng yamaha?
    


And whether the difference is worth 8K. To confuse you more, you get SACD and DVD-A w/ the Pioneer + Sakura combo.
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: gonefishing on Dec 06, 2005 at 02:52 PM
thank you mga dudes, lalo akong nahilo.... so sakura's top of the line model is 387a? 5.1 na ito diba?
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: leomar on Dec 06, 2005 at 03:29 PM
And whether the difference is worth 8K. To confuse you more, you get SACD and DVD-A w/ the Pioneer + Sakura combo.

isa pang pampalito  ;D
yamaha's Cinema DSP and other vanilla features versus SACD and DVD-A w/ the Pioneer? hehe

ayos lang yan, malilito ka talaga sa pamimili, pero kapag nagdecide ka na which is alin, alam mo na dun ka MAS masaya...

@ gonefishing
yup 5.1 na ung sakura 387a

good luck! hehe
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: X-®an™ on Dec 06, 2005 at 06:32 PM
Been testing my 'new' setup mostly in music pa lang.  Had the time to test how it will handle movies... and I came up with this Qs:

My setup: Sakura AVR-387a, Euros 8 towers, <no center speaker>, speakers from Sony mini-compo as rears, DTX 4.12 subwoofer, Kebao DVD player, generic speaker wires, genereic RCA inter-connects


Thanks in advance!!!
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: gonefishing on Dec 07, 2005 at 10:39 AM
isa pang pampalito  ;D
yamaha's Cinema DSP and other vanilla features versus SACD and DVD-A w/ the Pioneer? hehe

ayos lang yan, malilito ka talaga sa pamimili, pero kapag nagdecide ka na which is alin, alam mo na dun ka MAS masaya...

@ gonefishing
yup 5.1 na ung sakura 387a

good luck! hehe

bro, paki explain naman kung ano yunSACD and DVD-A? cinema DSP thank you
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: torque on Dec 07, 2005 at 10:50 AM
gonefishing,
bro, what is the model of your pioneer DVD player? kung pioneer 270 yan, definitely walang DTS decoder ang player.
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: leomar on Dec 07, 2005 at 11:41 AM
bro, paki explain naman kung ano yunSACD and DVD-A? cinema DSP thank you

SACD - Super Audio CD
DVD-A - audio encoded in 5.1 environment

DSP - Digital Signal Processing
kunyari ordinary DTS track - kapag inaaply mo ung Enhanced Sorroung (Cinema DSP) mas malakas/clearer ung sound
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: arthurallanj on Dec 08, 2005 at 08:58 AM
bro, paki explain naman kung ano yunSACD and DVD-A? cinema DSP thank you

SACD (Super Audio CD) - An encoding format which has a far more superior reproduction than ordinary cds using a two speaker (channel) system.

DVD-Audio - An audio encoding format using a multi-channel system.

CinemaDSP - Yamaha's proprietary multi-channel processing technology. Can be used for 2-channel or other multi-channel sources or even mono-channels.

DSP - Digital Signal Processing. Not just a method for audio but many other applicatons. But for our interest, it's a method of processing signals for simulating different environments in different listening situations.  ;)
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: X-®an™ on Dec 08, 2005 at 01:02 PM
Been testing my 'new' setup mostly in music pa lang.  Had the time to test how it will handle movies... and I came up with this Qs:
  • May napapansin akong parang distortion dun sa movie while playing the DVD.  Sa tingin ko ay because of the interference of either the speaker or the AVR.  How can I eliminate that?
  • While playing DVD in AC-3 mode, pag pinapaltan ko volume ng AVR ko.. I hear this popping (or clicking) sound.  Is this normal?  Wala kasi pag DVD mode ako eh.

My setup: Sakura AVR-387a, Euros 8 towers, <no center speaker>, speakers from Sony mini-compo as rears, DTX 4.12 subwoofer, Kebao DVD player, generic speaker wires, genereic RCA inter-connects


Thanks in advance!!!



Pa-follow up lang.. thanks!
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: Heartbreak Kid on Dec 14, 2005 at 05:26 PM
sir may optical out ba ang sakura av387? thanks.
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: atomicat10 on Dec 14, 2005 at 10:25 PM
none.
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: rustyns on Dec 15, 2005 at 11:46 AM
Question naman sa mga may china-made dvd + sakura 387a + active sub:

Line-level ba ang gamit niyong connection sa sub o speaker level?

Kung line level, One possible way to connect would be:
   dvd sub rca out --> sakura sub rca in
   AND sakura sub rca out --> active sub rca in
I'm sure this will work with DTS and DD movies. Will this also work for ordinary audio cd's?

Kung speaker level naman, saan naka-connect?

Thanks,

Rusty
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: chris on Dec 15, 2005 at 01:20 PM
Hi guys. simple lang HT setup ko DVDplayer + Nextbase 5.1 HM050 speakers. Satisfied naman ako sa sounds
pag nagplay ng mga DVD movies.  Pero nung gusto sana naming mag videoke (plug the mic at the DVDplayer mic input, walang kasing ibang paglalagyan) sabog yung kinalabasan ng sounds.  Balak ko sana bumili ng
Sakura 387A para dun iplug yung mic at the same time meron din ako receiver.  So ok kaya itong setup na ito
DVDplayer + Sakura 387A receiver + Nextbase 5.1 HM050 speakers. Compatible ba ito?  tnx
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: av_phile1 on Dec 15, 2005 at 01:29 PM
Question naman sa mga may china-made dvd + sakura 387a + active sub:

Line-level ba ang gamit niyong connection sa sub o speaker level?

Kung line level, One possible way to connect would be:
   dvd sub rca out --> sakura sub rca in
   AND sakura sub rca out --> active sub rca in
I'm sure this will work with DTS and DD movies. Will this also work for ordinary audio cd's?

If the sakura model has bass management circuit, it can route the bass to the sub even for CDs.

Quote
Kung speaker level naman, saan naka-connect?


The powered sub typically has stereo speaker terminals labeled "speaker IN" for speaker level connection.  Use this to connect to the main front stereo speaker OUT of  your receiver or amp.

The same powered sub also has stereo speaker terminals labeled "satellite speaker OUT"  so you can connect your main front speakers to them.
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: av_phile1 on Dec 15, 2005 at 01:37 PM
Hi guys. simple lang HT setup ko DVDplayer + Nextbase 5.1 HM050 speakers. Satisfied naman ako sa sounds
pag nagplay ng mga DVD movies.  Pero nung gusto sana naming mag videoke (plug the mic at the DVDplayer mic input, walang kasing ibang paglalagyan) sabog yung kinalabasan ng sounds.  Balak ko sana bumili ng
Sakura 387A para dun iplug yung mic at the same time meron din ako receiver.  So ok kaya itong setup na ito
DVDplayer + Sakura 387A receiver + Nextbase 5.1 HM050 speakers. Compatible ba ito?  tnx

The 5.1 speakers you have are most likely powered (the bass module has built-in amp).  If the sakura model has sub-out, you can connect this to the Nextbase bass module.  Then you can connect the other Nextbase satellite speakers to the Sakura's main speaker out.  Just don't bring the volume too high, the nextbase speakers may not be able to handle the current from your Sakura.  Kung "sabog" ang sound, that's indicative hindi kaya nung speakers, more so if you use a more powerful amp like in a Sakura.  You may have to upgrade your speakers as well.
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: rustyns on Dec 16, 2005 at 05:58 AM
If the sakura model has bass management circuit, it can route the bass to the sub even for CDs.

The powered sub typically has stereo speaker terminals labeled "speaker IN" for speaker level connection.  Use this to connect to the main front stereo speaker OUT of  your receiver or amp.

The same powered sub also has stereo speaker terminals labeled "satellite speaker OUT"  so you can connect your main front speakers to them.

Maraming salamat sir AVPhile1.

Can anyone verify na merong ganitong "bass management circuit" ang sakura av387a? Thanks.
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: X-®an™ on Dec 28, 2005 at 03:21 PM
Feels somewhat weird to be the one to answer my queries, but I'd like to share my recent experience with the Sakura AV-387a...
so here goes:

Been testing my 'new' setup mostly in music pa lang.  Had the time to test how it will handle movies... and I came up with this Qs:
  • May napapansin akong parang distortion dun sa movie while playing the DVD.  Sa tingin ko ay because of the interference of either the speaker or the AVR.  How can I eliminate that?
Na-solve yung distortion nung tinulungan ako ng bro-in-law ng wifey ko (ano sa Tagalog tawag dun?) na technician.  We solved it by placing the left speaker farther or away from the TV.  He also helped me in testing about the popping sound problem below.  Through the process of elimintaion, we concluded na may problema yung Sakura ko kapag naka-AC3 mode.

He also suggested that I used my old Sony FH speakers as my center.  So we 'seriesed' it to become my Center, pending my purchase of a new one.

  • While playing DVD in AC-3 mode, pag pinapaltan ko volume ng AVR ko.. I hear this popping (or clicking) sound.  Is this normal?  Wala kasi pag DVD mode ako eh.

My setup: Sakura AVR-387a, Euros 8 towers, <no center speaker>, speakers from Sony mini-compo as rears, DTX 4.12 subwoofer, Kebao DVD player, generic speaker wires, genereic RCA inter-connects


Thanks in advance!!!



So I texted Mike of Moses Aaron about it.  To make a long story short, he immediately replaced my unit with a new one last Friday (December 23).  The AC-3 mode is working now.

Oh btw, sa ganda ng effect ng ginawa naming Center... I'm currently searching for a good Center for my system.  Advise and recommendations will be appreciated!
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: arthurallanj on Dec 29, 2005 at 02:25 PM
Feels somewhat weird to be the one to answer my queries, but I'd like to share my recent experience with the Sakura AV-387a...
so here goes:

Na-solve yung distortion nung tinulungan ako ng bro-in-law ng wifey ko (ano sa Tagalog tawag dun?) na technician.  We solved it by placing the left speaker farther or away from the TV.  He also helped me in testing about the popping sound problem below.  Through the process of elimintaion, we concluded na may problema yung Sakura ko kapag naka-AC3 mode.

He also suggested that I used my old Sony FH speakers as my center.  So we 'seriesed' it to become my Center, pending my purchase of a new one.


So I texted Mike of Moses Aaron about it.  To make a long story short, he immediately replaced my unit with a new one last Friday (December 23).  The AC-3 mode is working now.

Oh btw, sa ganda ng effect ng ginawa naming Center... I'm currently searching for a good Center for my system.  Advise and recommendations will be appreciated!


Best to match it with your other speakers.
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: jdg on Dec 29, 2005 at 10:39 PM
magkano na ang sakura av387a ngayon sa raon and saan maganda bumili yung maganda aftersales service? btw ano ba mga features nitong av387a and may website ba ang sakura? :)
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: X-®an™ on Dec 30, 2005 at 12:40 PM
magkano na ang sakura av387a ngayon sa raon and saan maganda bumili yung maganda aftersales service? btw ano ba mga features nitong av387a and may website ba ang sakura? :)

Price in Moses Aaron when I bought these last November:
Sakura AV387a = PhP 3700 less 5% = PhP 3515

Maganda after-sales service dito, see my previous posts for my recent experience with them...
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: triskelion68 on Feb 28, 2006 at 03:31 PM
mga bro ask ko lng saan ba banda sa raon un MOSES AARON.di ko kc kabisado un raon eh.tnx
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: arthurallanj on Mar 01, 2006 at 08:42 AM
Moses Aaron is beside Metrobank Raon. Along Gonzalo Puyat. Here's the number: 7354390. Look for Mike, he's gonna treat you nice.  ;D
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: leomar on Mar 01, 2006 at 09:44 AM
kumusta na mga sakura nu?!  ;D

balak ko ulit bumili ng sakura for my pc! hehe
gusto ko set-up-an for gaming!

ano kaya maganda speakers na i-pair?
may maliliit ba ng daiichi? pang-satellite speakers?
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: rascal101 on Apr 18, 2006 at 11:21 AM
Maganda pala tumunog ang Sakura amp kung maayos audio source.
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: Signal2Noise on May 16, 2006 at 11:49 AM
Maganda pala tumunog ang Sakura amp kung maayos audio source.

Of course maganda ang tunog kapag maganda ang source.  Eh kahit top of the line ang amp at speakers mo kung ang program material mo ay pangit :), pangit din ang lalabas.  Kung si Ngongo ba ang kumanta sa program material mo ay magiging si Diomedes Maturan paglabas sa speakers mo, siyempre hindi.  Ganoon lang iyon kapatid...LINEARITY ika nga.   ;D
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: Signal2Noise on May 16, 2006 at 12:04 PM
Though I already have my Marantz amp, I also bought a Sakura amp in Raon (Php4K) last 2004 for my drinking session (*lol*).  Mahirap kase magbaklas ng sistema kapag naka-setup na.  I found this cheap Sakura amp worth the bucks and even compared it with my neighbor's Konzert amp.  Mas maganda ang tunog ng Sakura at puwedeng pang-jamming.

2.1 Setup sa Terrace:

Sakura AV 389                         - Php4,000
Crown SS 401 Sat Speakers   -        1,000
Polk Audio PSW10 Subwoofer -      14,000
Jamo Cables                            -        1,015
IPod  20GB                              -      19,500
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: jeppoy on May 17, 2006 at 09:53 AM
mga bro!

ano ba ang best na sakura amp for videoke and ano maganda match na speaker for the amp?
san din ba maganda bilihan nyan sa raon?
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: Signal2Noise on May 17, 2006 at 11:49 PM
mga bro!

ano ba ang best na sakura amp for videoke and ano maganda match na speaker for the amp?
san din ba maganda bilihan nyan sa raon?

Halos lahat naman na gawa ng sakura ay may karaoke function at standard dito ay 80W (5.1) configuration.  Suggest ko na para mas enjoyable ang pag-awit mo kapatid ay gamitan mo din ng magandang microphone, huwag iyong tig-300 sa mga tiyangge na Gawa Lunes at Sira Martes, medyo mag-invest ka around P1000 para sa isang budget mic.

Maraming mga tindahan sa Raon ang nagbebenta ng Sakura amp/receiver.  Diskartehan mo na lang kung saan ka mas makakabili ng mura, mag-canvass ka sa magkabilang dulo ng Raon hanggang doon sa may Quezon Blvd, ganoon din sa may Evangelista iyong papunta sa Quiapo Church marami din doon, baka makatipid ka kahit hanggang P500.  Sa speaker naman ay Dai-Chi, Crown or Tamashi sa mga gawang Philippines at China.  Kung can afford ka naman @ less than 10K, Wharfedale or Polk Audio maganda na.
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: juneaki on May 18, 2006 at 07:56 AM
mga bro!

ano ba ang best na sakura amp for videoke and ano maganda match na speaker for the amp?
san din ba maganda bilihan nyan sa raon?

Bro you may also audition magnum videoke amp w/ matching magnum speakers. Efficient din ang mga ito kung pang-videoke lang din. Available sa mga Robinson Appliance Center.
Title: Sakura AV753 for Videoke
Post by: allan1836 on Aug 20, 2006 at 09:05 AM
Good day!

Does anyone here tried or experienced using this Sakura AV-735 for videoke? Is it that good for singing?

A salesman I knew very well suggested this model above the Konzert 502a and Sakura AV5023. He said
this AV735 is more powerful and has mix mixing and dsp processing features. I also noticed they look better (more professional looking) than the other 2 models. Its a little more expensive at 5t but with the additional features, I think its cheaper than getting a separate processor. 

Hattori_hanzo,
Any feedbacks?


thanks.
Title: Re: Sakura AV753 for Videoke
Post by: hattori_hanzo on Aug 20, 2006 at 01:57 PM
Good day!

Does anyone here tried or experienced using this Sakura AV-735 for videoke? Is it that good for singing?

A salesman I knew very well suggested this model above the Konzert 502a and Sakura AV5023. He said
this AV735 is more powerful and has mix mixing and dsp processing features. I also noticed they look better (more professional looking) than the other 2 models. Its a little more expensive at 5t but with the additional features, I think its cheaper than getting a separate processor. 

Hattori_hanzo,
Any feedbacks?


thanks.


dude iba pa rin yung may separate DSP processor, kaysa integrated sa amp. kasi pag nasira yung power amp hindi dale yung processor + plus may option kapa na multiple power at channels... hehehe!!!
Title: Re: Sakura AV753 for Videoke
Post by: jhian1122 on Aug 21, 2006 at 08:39 AM
bro, if you're in a tight budget pwede na rin ito. bili ka na lang later pag may budget ka na para sa processor mo...

 8)  ;)
Title: Re: Sakura AV753 for Videoke
Post by: hattori_hanzo on Aug 21, 2006 at 09:46 AM
bro, if you're in a tight budget pwede na rin ito. bili ka na lang later pag may budget ka na para sa processor mo...

 8)  ;)

dude as an advise, kung talagang hanap mo eh magndang videoke gears yung tipong studio like quality ang vocals, at kung nasa tight budget ka pa, ipon ka nlang muna, kasi baka masayang lang ang pera mo. pero if your in need of it immediately pwede na pag tyagaan itong sakura amp na to, pero just a precaution dont expect too much of its performance, coz youll have ear fatigue in listening to this amp in time. like 2 of my china generic amp ngayon (konzert 502a and lexus) retired na sila, minsan ko lang gamitin kapag meron lang kaming swimming outing dinadala ko as outdoor sounds.

pag meron ka kasing high quality na videoke gears (eg. shure SM58, yamaha DSP or Digitech effects processor's, multi channel mic mixer etc etc) mag eenjoy ka everytime you want to use your videoke machine kahit walang bisita gusto mo lang pakinggan ang boses mo dahil iba talga, na eenganyo pa ang iba na bumisita sayo dahil sa ganda ng boses nila pag kumakanta sa inyo, pero kung meron ka lang simpleng videoke yung tipong tunog lang ng nabibili sa raon eh parang usual na diba? so its up to you dude, friendly advise lang naman yun sa akin eh, pero kung gusto mo talgang budget na videoke na may quality pde kita i guide gastos ka lang ng mga 10k, PM mo ako kung interesado ka... good luck!
Title: Re: Sakura AV753 for Videoke
Post by: av_phile1 on Aug 22, 2006 at 05:56 PM
There's a studio-grade Behringer mic mixer  at the Behringer shop at Park Square for 5.2T.  There are four Mic inputs via balanced XLR that are really superb with around 60 DSP effects at 24-bit/96khz resolution.  This to me seems the most cost-effective mixer with studio-grade quality, short of getting those dBx, Alessi or Peavey brands of separate mixer and processors.  (while the mixer can accpet PL-type microphone jacks, you should invest in studio grade mics with XLR connectors.)    Just hook up your DVD player's stereo outs to one of the stereo input of the mixer and you can sing away. (with the DVD video connected to your TV)   Ofcourse you still need a professional quality power amp and speaker.  Don't use your HT speakers unless each has at least 100watts average power handling.   If a mic accidentally drops or the singer  shouts over the mic  at karaoke bar volumes, you could be saying goodbye to your home speakers.  For amps and speakers, I would suggest you vist the pier if you're really on a tight budget and get one of those surplus amps and Pioneer or Technics 3-way speakers with 12"woofers.  With another 10T, you should be on your way.  (plus another 3T for studio quality Mic  ;D)

Title: Re: Sakura AV753 for Videoke
Post by: hattori_hanzo on Aug 22, 2006 at 06:50 PM
There's a studio-grade Behringer mic mixer  at the Behringer shop at Park Square for 5.2T.  There are four Mic inputs via balanced XLR that are really superb with around 60 DSP effects at 24-bit/96khz resolution.  This to me seems the most cost-effective mixer with studio-grade quality, short of getting those dBx, Alessi or Peavey brands of separate mixer and processors.  (while the mixer can accpet PL-type microphone jacks, you should invest in studio grade mics with XLR connectors.)    Just hook up your DVD player's stereo outs to one of the stereo input of the mixer and you can sing away. (with the DVD video connected to your TV)   Ofcourse you still need a professional quality power amp and speaker.  Don't use your HT speakers unless each has at least 100watts average power handling.   If a mic accidentally drops or the singer  shouts over the mic  at karaoke bar volumes, you could be saying goodbye to your home speakers.  For amps and speakers, I would suggest you vist the pier if you're really on a tight budget and get one of those surplus amps and Pioneer or Technics 3-way speakers with 12"woofers.  With another 10T, you should be on your way.  (plus another 3T for studio quality Mic  ;D)



korek ka dyan master av_phile!!!, its better to invest on good quality pro gears. mga 10k talga panalo na. yun nga lang kung HT speakers ang gamit medyo ingat lang talga medyo mahirap isabak yun compared dun sa mga hi-resistance na professional speakers. pero kung maingat naman yung owner pede naman yung HT speakers wag lang i-abuse like overloud volumes, mic feedbacks, hums, pops and microphone drops. hehehe! 
Title: Re: Sakura AV753 for Videoke
Post by: Cy on Aug 23, 2006 at 10:05 AM
There's a studio-grade Behringer mic mixer  at the Behringer shop at Park Square for 5.2T.  There are four Mic inputs via balanced XLR that are really superb with around 60 DSP effects at 24-bit/96khz resolution.  This to me seems the most cost-effective mixer with studio-grade quality, short of getting those dBx, Alessi or Peavey brands of separate mixer and processors.  (while the mixer can accpet PL-type microphone jacks, you should invest in studio grade mics with XLR connectors.)    Just hook up your DVD player's stereo outs to one of the stereo input of the mixer and you can sing away. (with the DVD video connected to your TV)   Ofcourse you still need a professional quality power amp and speaker.  Don't use your HT speakers unless each has at least 100watts average power handling.   If a mic accidentally drops or the singer  shouts over the mic  at karaoke bar volumes, you could be saying goodbye to your home speakers.  For amps and speakers, I would suggest you vist the pier if you're really on a tight budget and get one of those surplus amps and Pioneer or Technics 3-way speakers with 12"woofers.  With another 10T, you should be on your way.  (plus another 3T for studio quality Mic  ;D)

O.T.: sir, what model po ng Behringer Mic Mixer 'to? I'm eyeing kasi yung Xenyx 1002FX (2-input MIC, less than 6T ), kaya lang with what you mentioned here, tingnan ko muna 'tong model na 'to 8), four mic inputs with digital fx for 5.2T - mukhang lumalabas na mas mura to.

thnx.
Title: Re: Sakura AV753 for Videoke
Post by: jhian1122 on Aug 23, 2006 at 04:17 PM
guys just want to ask an advice kung magkanu ba ang mga mic mixer ngaun? meron kasi kami sa bahay Paramax ang tatak nya kaso sira, ang sabi ng technician eh IC daw ang sira and it will cost me 1k+ kung ipapagawa ko sya. meron bang murang mic mixer? ok na rin ba kung papagawa ko na lang ung mixer namin? thanks!
Title: Re: Sakura AV753 for Videoke
Post by: hattori_hanzo on Aug 23, 2006 at 07:33 PM
guys just want to ask an advice kung magkanu ba ang mga mic mixer ngaun? meron kasi kami sa bahay Paramax ang tatak nya kaso sira, ang sabi ng technician eh IC daw ang sira and it will cost me 1k+ kung ipapagawa ko sya. meron bang murang mic mixer? ok na rin ba kung papagawa ko na lang ung mixer namin? thanks!

bro mukhang mas oks kung bibili ka na lang ng brand new. 1,3k lang ang brand new digital mic mixer sa raon (6 channels pa) your choice of brand and model.

but as an exception or reason, kung professional yan paramax mo, eh mas maganda kung ipaparepair mo yan.
Title: Re: Sakura AV753 for Videoke
Post by: jerix on Aug 24, 2006 at 12:11 PM
bro mukhang mas oks kung bibili ka na lang ng brand new. 1,3k lang ang brand new digital mic mixer sa raon (6 channels pa) your choice of brand and model.

but as an exception or reason, kung professional yan paramax mo, eh mas maganda kung ipaparepair mo yan.

Bro hattori yan bang sinasabi mo na 1.3k na digital mixer me DSP na yan? tnx  ;D
Title: Re: Sakura AV753 for Videoke
Post by: av_phile1 on Aug 24, 2006 at 12:32 PM
O.T.: sir, what model po ng Behringer Mic Mixer 'to? I'm eyeing kasi yung Xenyx 1002FX (2-input MIC, less than 6T ), kaya lang with what you mentioned here, tingnan ko muna 'tong model na 'to 8), four mic inputs with digital fx for 5.2T - mukhang lumalabas na mas mura to.

thnx.


(http://www.behringer.com/1202FX/1202FX_medium.jpg)

It's the Behringer Xenyx 1202FX.  It's just a step-up from the 1002FX with 2 more mic /line inputs, but otherwise, same features.  Accdg to the sales guy at the Behringer shop at Park square, only 5.2T.  I didn't pursue, medyo sumama loob ko kasi the same model I bought at Raon, thinking that's the cheapest place to shop for such things, was 8T.   ;D  Either that or the sales guy had the price list confused with another.  Just check it out there and confirm. 

Correction, it has 100 DSP effects, not 60 as I posted earlier (was confusing it with a ZOOM guitar effects processor I have  ;D) 
Title: Re: Sakura AV753 for Videoke
Post by: hattori_hanzo on Aug 24, 2006 at 01:00 PM
Bro hattori yan bang sinasabi mo na 1.3k na digital mixer me DSP na yan? tnx  ;D

bro hindi yan, yung 1,3k na sinasabi ko effects mixer lang yun (mic volume, echo, reverb etc etc) walang DSP. kaya ko ni rerecommend yung may separate na DSP kasi just in case gusto mo mag dagdag or mag upgrade ng audio mixer hindi madadali yung DSP effects. lagi pede i-route sa ibang mixer. kasi kung integrated yung DSP sa mixer pag nag upgrade ka madadale pati built-in DSP effects mo.
Title: Re: Sakura AV753 for Videoke
Post by: hattori_hanzo on Aug 24, 2006 at 01:03 PM
(http://www.behringer.com/1202FX/1202FX_medium.jpg)

It's the Behringer Xenyx 1202FX.  It's just a step-up from the 1002FX with 2 more mic /line inputs, but otherwise, same features.  Accdg to the sales guy at the Behringer shop at Park square, only 5.2T.  I didn't pursue, medyo sumama loob ko kasi the same model I bought at Raon, thinking that's the cheapest place to shop for such things, was 8T.   ;D  Either that or the sales guy had the price list confused with another.  Just check it out there and confirm. 

Correction, it has 100 DSP effects, not 60 as I posted earlier (was confusing it with a ZOOM guitar effects processor I have  ;D) 

sir av are you sure 5.2k lang to? if this is true what a bargain. kasi yung Digitech Studio 100 nasa 10k na wala pang mixer. 100 program presets din pero dual engine. saka pede personal effects program... 
Title: Re: Sakura AV753 for Videoke
Post by: sphanuel on Aug 24, 2006 at 01:29 PM
Sir av_phile, san store po mabibili behringer Xenyx 1202FX any contact number?

Sir hattori_hanzo, e yung Digitech po san po mabibili?

thanks
Title: Re: Sakura AV753 for Videoke
Post by: Cy on Aug 24, 2006 at 01:35 PM
(http://www.behringer.com/1202FX/1202FX_medium.jpg)

It's the Behringer Xenyx 1202FX.  It's just a step-up from the 1002FX with 2 more mic /line inputs, but otherwise, same features.  Accdg to the sales guy at the Behringer shop at Park square, only 5.2T.  I didn't pursue, medyo sumama loob ko kasi the same model I bought at Raon, thinking that's the cheapest place to shop for such things, was 8T.   ;D  Either that or the sales guy had the price list confused with another.  Just check it out there and confirm. 

Correction, it has 100 DSP effects, not 60 as I posted earlier (was confusing it with a ZOOM guitar effects processor I have  ;D) 


wow!  :o thank you sir, care to share the name of the store?
Title: Re: Sakura AV753 for Videoke
Post by: jappy23 on Aug 24, 2006 at 02:41 PM
 :) guys need help lang po...what will i buy na brand po to set-up good quality videoke amplifier,speaker,mic,equalizer...yung pwede sa budget na 5k :-\ ano po maganda pero mura na dvd na built-in videoke? how much kaya un? ok lang kaya ung proline? ???
Title: Re: Sakura AV753 for Videoke
Post by: av_phile1 on Aug 24, 2006 at 03:04 PM
sir av are you sure 5.2k lang to? if this is true what a bargain. kasi yung Digitech Studio 100 nasa 10k na wala pang mixer. 100 program presets din pero dual engine. saka pede personal effects program... 

I bought exactly the same model for 8T at a Raon shop specializing in studio gears.  Kaya nga na-shock ako when the sales guy at the Behringer shop at Park Square said 5.2T, just barely 2 mos after I bought one.  Maybe nagkamali lang siya.  Or maybe nagkmali lang and turo ko.  Maybe 1002FX yun.   But just check it out.   It's at a shop at Park Sqaure.  You won't miss it as the name BEHRINGER is prominently displayed at the shop door.  It deals mostly with studio equipment near some computer shops if not mistaken. 

Title: Re: Sakura AV753 for Videoke
Post by: av_phile1 on Aug 24, 2006 at 03:07 PM

wow!  :o thank you sir, care to share the name of the store?

Behringer,  near some computer shops at Park Square, Makati.
Title: Re: Sakura AV753 for Videoke
Post by: av_phile1 on Aug 24, 2006 at 03:19 PM
kasi yung Digitech Studio 100 nasa 10k na wala pang mixer. 100 program presets din pero dual engine. saka pede personal effects program... 

Well, maybe it has superior DSP effects kaya mas mahal.   Often, separates are really more expensive. Most professional mixers out there have no effects.  You get the effects processing from a separate box which can be just as expensive. A rack-mountable DBX effects proccesor I inquired  already costs close to 30T. 

The Alesis Multimix 8 is also a good choice for roughly around 12T at the 5th Ave shop at Park Square.  Better than the Behringer of the same quality due to the presence of a USB connection.  So you can record your mixes directly to a PC in digital mode.
Title: Re: Sakura AV753 for Videoke
Post by: hattori_hanzo on Aug 24, 2006 at 06:04 PM
:) guys need help lang po...what will i buy na brand po to set-up good quality videoke amplifier,speaker,mic,equalizer...yung pwede sa budget na 5k :-\ ano po maganda pero mura na dvd na built-in videoke? how much kaya un? ok lang kaya ung proline? ???

bro at 5k medyo mahihirapan tayo dyan, extend mo pa, kasi masasayang lang kung bibili ka ng cheap ones...
Title: Re: Sakura AV753 for Videoke
Post by: hattori_hanzo on Aug 24, 2006 at 06:15 PM
yup sir AV, seperates are better. DSP engines can always be routed in a mixer and assignable to each channel by effects control.

btw. I just went to one of the surplus shops and saw 3 units of rack mountable 12 channels Dbx mixer selling for only 7k with effects route and complete adjustable settings (bss, trbl, panning, efx, vol control etc etc) sayang I dont have money at hand sana andun pa pag balik ko.  ;D ;D ;D     
Title: Re: Sakura AV753 for Videoke
Post by: jappy23 on Aug 25, 2006 at 11:17 AM
bro at 5k medyo mahihirapan tayo dyan, extend mo pa, kasi masasayang lang kung bibili ka ng cheap ones...
ano-ano po ba bibilin ko to have dvd-videoke,at mga speakers...gusto ko po kasing magset-up nito sa bahay...hope for your advise po...how much po kailangan ko..

pakilagay na lang po sana mga kailangan ko and how much??? pwede po ba din magpaturo how to set-up...punta po kasi ko sa Raon..
Title: Re: Sakura AV753 for Videoke
Post by: hattori_hanzo on Aug 25, 2006 at 01:58 PM
ano-ano po ba bibilin ko to have dvd-videoke,at mga speakers...gusto ko po kasing magset-up nito sa bahay...hope for your advise po...how much po kailangan ko..

pakilagay na lang po sana mga kailangan ko and how much??? pwede po ba din magpaturo how to set-up...punta po kasi ko sa Raon..

well you can always start with the basic setup:

1.) multi channel amp
2.) audio mic mixer
3.) speakers
4.) DVD videoke machine
5.) microphones
6.) TV monitor

but if you want a high quality vocal reproduction you can always seek this gears:

1.) Yamaha receiver (obviously because of the DSP) for ambient sound.
2.) 5 channel Power amp (youll only need this if your Yamaha receiver has a low power rating).
3.) multi channel audio mic mixer. (preferably with complete effects control. echo, reverb, panning, intensity etc.).
4.) vocoder DSP (you can always choose from behringer, digitech and if your lucky Yamaha DSP sa Pier) this is for studio quality vocal enhancement.
5.) 5 channel speakers system (prefereably with highpower capabilities) and a sub (if ever you get tired of videoke you can always switch to HT).
6.) DVD videoke machine (you can always choose from karavision, hyundai or platinum).
7.) microphones (Shure SM58 or for the best Shure BETA 87c or senheizer E series).
8.) and of course TV monitor (your choice of size).         
           
Title: Re: Sakura AV753 for Videoke
Post by: Compaq on Aug 28, 2006 at 11:59 AM
Was in Electronics Depot (Ali Mall) yesterday and boy, Behringer gears galore  :o

I inquired on the following items -

Behringer Xenyx 802, 1002FX & 1202FX. 20% off pa sa list price. Kaya lang 802 and 1002 lang ang stock.

I must admit, it was triggered by your posts here  ;D. I got worried and realized that i need to do something about my gears. Am currently using my HT setup (Yamaha 650, B&W 602s3) as my Videoke with Hyundai Platinum as the source. Primary concern is the speaker but I got intrigued and interested in av_phile1's mixer.

Tanong lang, pwede na ba yung mga Konzert speakers sa Raon (worth 3k-5k)? If i opt not to use my Yamaha anymore, will a China/generic-amp aptly do the job? TIA

Cheers!!!
Compaq
Title: Re: Sakura AV753 for Videoke
Post by: jhian1122 on Aug 28, 2006 at 09:17 PM
sir if you're going to use Konzerts speakers at Raon for  videoke purposes, it would be great rather than using your HT speakers. Its much cheaper and sound quality was great especially for vocals. Some people say, "litaw ang boses mo". You can save up some money to buy gears that could add up for your HT.

 8) ;)
Title: Re: Sakura AV753 for Videoke
Post by: hattori_hanzo on Aug 28, 2006 at 11:36 PM
kung hindi naman ganun ka expensive yung HT speakers mo like mine Euros 8 im using it for videoke, hindi naman ako ganun ka harabas gumamit, besides dun mo malalaman kung maganda ang performance ng speakers, imagine kung pangit ang vocal reproduction ng HT speakers mo, papano pa kaya sa mga magagandang CD recordings or HT applications (with sudden burst of effects)?

speakers differ from each application like those long throw bass bins and horn PA speakers, they are more designed to be used on special or sometimes difficult situations (eg. stage, studio, touring or fixed installations) and also using different power sources (eg. power amps) and by these harsh condition (mic drop, feedbacks etc.)can affect speakers....

but a speaker is a speaker, no matter what brand or type it is, primary purpose is to reproduce sounds. so even if you use those konzerts speakers youve mentioned, still same purpose as your HT speakers. mas bitin ka pa nga sa konzert speakers kasi it is using those paper type tweeters and 1 woofer. unlike sa HT speakers na tama ang pagkaka arrayed with metal dome tweeters, midrange and woofers. so sa tingin mo ano ang mag rereproduce ng magandang vocals?

just me though!!!       
Title: Re: Sakura AV753 for Videoke
Post by: Compaq on Aug 29, 2006 at 08:30 AM
Hi hattori_hanzo,

Yeah, I agree with you - "a speaker is a speaker". My situation is, am worried with my 602s, so am thinking of getting another set for my videoke sessions. Kaya kung madale man, hindi masakit sa dibdib  ;D. Last night, i saw a pair of Konzert Speaker (malapad ang itsura nya, parang yung mga dipole/bipole) costing around 4,000, 200watts daw. Ok na rin siguro 'to, just have to check the price in Raon.

Btw, allan1836, pasensya na bro, na-hijack na 'tong thread mo. :) So, are you done with your purchase(s)?

Cheers!!!
Compaq

Title: Re: Sakura AV753 for Videoke
Post by: hattori_hanzo on Aug 29, 2006 at 09:05 AM
Hi hattori_hanzo,

Yeah, I agree with you - "a speaker is a speaker". My situation is, am worried with my 602s, so am thinking of getting another set for my videoke sessions. Kaya kung madale man, hindi masakit sa dibdib  ;D. Last night, i saw a pair of Konzert Speaker (malapad ang itsura nya, parang yung mga dipole/bipole) costing around 4,000, 200watts daw. Ok na rin siguro 'to, just have to check the price in Raon.

Btw, allan1836, pasensya na bro, na-hijack na 'tong thread mo. :) So, are you done with your purchase(s)?

Cheers!!!
Compaq



yup those konzert that looks like BOSE 802's right? but those speaker easily blows, specially the woofer's. my friend has them and just for 3 months of use, kaput! the older brother of that konzert speakers the KSS-10 a 3way horn loaded with 500W rating on 8 Ohms at 96db is much better, priced at 6k you will need speaker stands for this and will cost you 2k more. but if I were you it is much better to get the Euros 5 or 6 towers speakers for videoke use if your goin to use it for indoor's only cost around 5k.     
Title: Re: Sakura AV753 for Videoke
Post by: Cy on Aug 29, 2006 at 10:23 AM
Was in Electronics Depot (Ali Mall) yesterday and boy, Behringer gears galore  :o

I inquired on the following items -

Behringer Xenyx 802, 1002FX & 1202FX. 20% off pa sa list price. Kaya lang 802 and 1002 lang ang stock.

I must admit, it was triggered by your posts here  ;D. I got worried and realized that i need to do something about my gears. Am currently using my HT setup (Yamaha 650, B&W 602s3) as my Videoke with Hyundai Platinum as the source. Primary concern is the speaker but I got intrigued and interested in av_phile1's mixer.

Tanong lang, pwede na ba yung mga Konzert speakers sa Raon (worth 3k-5k)? If i opt not to use my Yamaha anymore, will a China/generic-amp aptly do the job? TIA

Cheers!!!
Compaq


sir, if i were you magpapa-reserve na ako ;D yung xenex 1002FX na binili ko sa kanila (Electronics Depot-Ali Mall) 1 week ko bago dumating yung stock, last saturday ko lang nakuha... meron ako nakikita  dito sa Electronics Depot-Robinson pero i wonder bakit iba presyo nila  ??? mas mura sa Ali Mall...
Title: Sakura AV-325/AV-326 not yet 5.1?
Post by: rj on Aug 29, 2006 at 04:30 PM
just new here.

just saw this 2 models sa guadalupe along edsa (malapit sa overpass).  meron syang 5 analog inputs and 5 na kabitan ng speakers.  pero hindi daw sya pang 5.1 ht.  meron na bang nakabili nito?
hindi ba talaga pede to for ht purpose.

thanks in advance.   ;D
Title: Re: Sakura AV753 for Videoke
Post by: Compaq on Aug 29, 2006 at 08:59 PM
@hattori_hanzo : Euros 5 or 6 for 5k... hmmm, i'll take note of that. Thanks.

@Cy : Ganun ba... actually, just gave (the ever reliable) SGTuazon a call, he's also a dealer of behringer gears. :)

Cheers!!!
Compaq
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: eric_draven on Aug 30, 2006 at 02:04 AM
Mga sirs, kaya ba ng sakura av387 kung 2 ang subwoofers? paano magdagdag pa ng isa? paano connection?
Title: Re: Sakura AV-325/AV-326 not yet 5.1?
Post by: darrel on Sep 12, 2006 at 10:36 PM
magkano ung ganyang model/ meron ba dun konzert 600r?
Title: Re: Sakura AV-325/AV-326 not yet 5.1?
Post by: JojoD818 on Sep 13, 2006 at 12:00 AM
Pwede siguro yan if your DVD player has a built-in DTS decoder so pwede mo hook-up yun 5 analog out ng DVD player sa 5 analog input ng Sakura. Sub na lang kulang nun pang HT na.  ;D

 8)
Title: Re: Sakura AV-325/AV-326 not yet 5.1?
Post by: rj on Sep 13, 2006 at 09:28 AM
@ darrel
   1,800.00 & 2,000.00 if i remember it right.

@ jojod818
    oo nga e kaya lang baka kasi prologic lang ang labas, hindi hiwahiwalay yung sounds nya (5.1).
    sana me nakasubok na para sure.

thanks.
Title: Re: Sakura AV753 for Videoke
Post by: yer2010 on Sep 19, 2006 at 09:47 AM
makasali nga mga bro sa talakayan nyo dito!

Tama ngang wag kayong gagamit ng maliliit na HT speakers sa inyong videoke at madaling masisira ang mga iyon kung todo ang sound nyo sa pag gamit.  Pero kung maingat naman ay mas ok ang mga iyon lalo na kung di nyo ia-adjust o'babaguin ang delay ng surrounds sa default ng av amp.  Me am using a Pioneer VSX-D912K for my DVD movies at Sakura AV2200 for my karaoke, Onkyo 10band Equalizer, SONY MIC Mixer, Shure SM58 mic, pero iba pa rin cguro yung Behringer na cnabi ni brod Hanzo at baka sakali eh gumanda ang boses kong parang pinupunit na yero, he heh!!   

cheers!


Title: Re: Sakura AV753 for Videoke
Post by: allan1836 on Oct 10, 2006 at 06:41 AM
Wow, glad to see so much replies here and to think I almost forgot I started this thread.  ;D

Compaq, don't worry for "hijacking" my thread, actually I'm glad you did! Lumawak and discussion.
I'm learning so much from you guys, being a neo in videoke set ups.

To inform you guys, I just completed my humble set up and here it goes :

1) DAM 9000A mic mixing amplifier (by Yamaha) w DSP, 4ch x 80watts rms amp and lot of features. This is a pier surplus.
2) 1 pr. JBL 82T classic speakers (US).
3) 1 pr. Pioneer Videoke speakers with revolving "eye" tweeters (japan).               
4) DVD player (generic)
5) PC monitor
6) Shure SM58 and Samson Q7 mics
7) Car amp and 1pc  12"Car subwoofer (to make it active, he..he..)

I must admit this is not a perfect set up but IMHO it serves my purpose well. I was really surprised by the performance of the DAM9000 amp. It performed beyond my expectations and can compare with separates very well. Its is also miles ahead of the sakura's and konzert amps with a (surprised!)... CHEAPER PRICE!!!

I recently used this on my daughters (there twins ;)) 7th bday with cheap microphones (haven't bought the shure & samson yet at the time) and a lot of my guest commented on how nice the sound is and they enjoyed singing (till 430am!).

Considering the low budget of my system, Im really satisfied with it. Thanks to all for your inputs. 
Title: Re: Sakura AV753 for Videoke
Post by: hattori_hanzo on Oct 10, 2006 at 07:56 PM
Wow, glad to see so much replies here and to think I almost forgot I started this thread.  ;D

Compaq, don't worry for "hijacking" my thread, actually I'm glad you did! Lumawak and discussion.
I'm learning so much from you guys, being a neo in videoke set ups.

To inform you guys, I just completed my humble set up and here it goes :

1) DAM 9000A mic mixing amplifier (by Yamaha) w DSP, 4ch x 80watts rms amp and lot of features. This is a pier surplus.
2) 1 pr. JBL 82T classic speakers (US).
3) 1 pr. Pioneer Videoke speakers with revolving "eye" tweeters (japan).               
4) DVD player (generic)
5) PC monitor
6) Shure SM58 and Samson Q7 mics
7) Car amp and 1pc  12"Car subwoofer (to make it active, he..he..)

I must admit this is not a perfect set up but IMHO it serves my purpose well. I was really surprised by the performance of the DAM9000 amp. It performed beyond my expectations and can compare with separates very well. Its is also miles ahead of the sakura's and konzert amps with a (surprised!)... CHEAPER PRICE!!!

I recently used this on my daughters (there twins ;)) 7th bday with cheap microphones (haven't bought the shure & samson yet at the time) and a lot of my guest commented on how nice the sound is and they enjoyed singing (till 430am!).

Considering the low budget of my system, Im really satisfied with it. Thanks to all for your inputs. 

congrats bro! try using a SM58 hataw na sa perfomance yan...
Title: Re: Sakura AV753 for Videoke
Post by: allan1836 on Oct 17, 2006 at 08:11 AM
hattori,

Bro, I friend recently sold me a Shure SM58, slight used daw w box & manual, at very low P1.5t. The next day I went to raon to buy the mic cable, I was surprised to see 2 versions of the SM58. Exactly the same asthetically but very different prices! ??? Sabi nung salesman the cheaper one at P600. only,  is made in China (though naka mark sa box "assembled in Mexico")? While the much more expensive at P 6T, is the real mc coy!!
What gives here??? I am sure the cheap one is rather fake (or is it?) Malayo ba and sound quality between the two? I tried the one my friend sold me at okay naman sya compared to a Samson Q7 (original ito) but I noticed na sobrang sensitive sa feedback nung cheap Shure. Is the original SM58 (more expensive) not that sensitive to feedbacks? Have you experienced both?
I would be pleased to hear from you guys what your comments are on the 2 versions of SM58.
Thanks.     
Title: Re: Sakura AV753 for Videoke
Post by: hattori_hanzo on Oct 17, 2006 at 10:16 AM
hattori,

Bro, I friend recently sold me a Shure SM58, slight used daw w box & manual, at very low P1.5t. The next day I went to raon to buy the mic cable, I was surprised to see 2 versions of the SM58. Exactly the same asthetically but very different prices! ??? Sabi nung salesman the cheaper one at P600. only,  is made in China (though naka mark sa box "assembled in Mexico")? While the much more expensive at P 6T, is the real mc coy!!
What gives here??? I am sure the cheap one is rather fake (or is it?) Malayo ba and sound quality between the two? I tried the one my friend sold me at okay naman sya compared to a Samson Q7 (original ito) but I noticed na sobrang sensitive sa feedback nung cheap Shure. Is the original SM58 (more expensive) not that sensitive to feedbacks? Have you experienced both?
I would be pleased to hear from you guys what your comments are on the 2 versions of SM58.
Thanks.     

bro the original SM58 has an embeded signature's on both the voicecoil and XLR connectors and hindi siya nag feedback kahit malapit ka sa speakers, also may warranty card yan pag binili with serial nos. sa orig na distro.

madami nag kalat na peke SM58 lalo na sa raon wag na wag ka bibili ng SM58 dyan dahil sure ako peke dyan. saka ma kikilatis mo ang orig polido ang pagkakagawa, heavily built...
Title: New Sakura Receiver
Post by: darrel on Oct 27, 2006 at 07:44 PM
have anyone have seen the new sakura amps. man they look great mukang HK. price is 4,200 sayang nakabili nako ng 600r bago ko cya nkita. maybe i'll buy those for my third amp. (hwah dame kona amp. lahat pang ht lang. lalang)

mablik tayo. un nga muka nga HK ang gwapo pero dko lam specs.

AV 473 ata model nun.
Title: Sakura 6 channel amp model AP-009
Post by: sansui on Dec 15, 2006 at 12:32 AM
Anyone auditioned this AP-009 amp which is bundled with a karaoke pre-amp AK-008?  They look impressive in gold anodized aluminum.  They also sport a massive aluminum heatsink on the sides and I also tried lifting them and they are HEAVY.  They look like the old Harman -Kardon's and Marantz.
Title: Re: Sakura 6 channel amp model AP-009
Post by: av_phile1 on Dec 15, 2006 at 07:24 AM
Can you post the tech specs?
Title: Re: Sakura 6 channel amp model AP-009
Post by: sansui on Dec 16, 2006 at 01:57 AM
Not much is written in the literature.  It claims to be a 6 channel amp.  There are separate volume controls for the sub, rears, and front speakers.  At the back, the same subs (there are 2), rears and fronts speaker connections are present.  It claims to deliver 1,400 watts per channel on stereo (which of course is dubios- as in China claims).  But having lifted it, I know it is HEAVY- in the vicinity of 20 to 30 lbs.  There is a toroidal amp and 4 capacitors rated at 10,000uf each (I peaked the inside).
Title: Re: Sakura 6 channel amp model AP-009
Post by: av_phile1 on Dec 16, 2006 at 09:11 AM
Check out the electrical power consumption at the back.  An amp that can deliver 1400wpc total in stereo  means it must eat slightly less than twice  that much in electrical power. That would account for heat losses due to a 60% efficiency for most class A/B amps. So you should see at least a 2kVA power consumption rating or a 220VAC 9amps indication.

30lbs isn't really heavy for a 6 ch amp claiming 1400 watts per channel on stereo.  Or perhaps you mean 30kgs whch might be more like it.  Just to give you n idea, typical multichannel power amps with 300 watts RMS per channel hover above 75lbs.
Title: Re: Sakura 6 channel amp model AP-009
Post by: atomicat10 on Dec 17, 2006 at 10:51 AM
Sir Sansui, how much is the Sakura and where have you seen one, Raon?
Title: Re: Sakura 6 channel amp model AP-009
Post by: sansui on Dec 18, 2006 at 12:39 AM
Nothing is written about the power consumption except that the fuse is rated at 4 amps.  Haven't seen any in Raon.  I saw this in a quaint little shop in Sucat.  Price is P5,500 in combination with a karaoke pre-amp.  Out of curiosity, I bought one.  Very clean sounding and with much more musicality than the Pioneer Pro-logic amp that I own (VSX series).  The massive heatsinks on the side appears to be working since the amp hardly gets warm in normal room listening levels.  I also saw a lot of thermal epoxy connecting several pieces of metals from the motherboard of the amp to the heatsink.  I say, very impressive performance for the price.  It almost sounded like the old Sansui amp I once owned except that the Sansui has a softer bass and a little more presence.  For the price, I say you can not go wrong.
Title: Re: Sakura 6 channel amp model AP-009
Post by: juneaki on Dec 18, 2006 at 12:34 PM
Bro, can you post pics? Magkano kung yung power amp lang?
Title: Re: Sakura 6 channel amp model AP-009
Post by: av_phile1 on Dec 18, 2006 at 01:47 PM
Nothing is written about the power consumption except that the fuse is rated at 4 amps.  Haven't seen any in Raon.  I saw this in a quaint little shop in Sucat.  Price is P5,500 in combination with a karaoke pre-amp.  Out of curiosity, I bought one.  Very clean sounding and with much more musicality than the Pioneer Pro-logic amp that I own (VSX series).  The massive heatsinks on the side appears to be working since the amp hardly gets warm in normal room listening levels.  I also saw a lot of thermal epoxy connecting several pieces of metals from the motherboard of the amp to the heatsink.  I say, very impressive performance for the price.  It almost sounded like the old Sansui amp I once owned except that the Sansui has a softer bass and a little more presence.  For the price, I say you can not go wrong.

Is this a shop fronting LLanas on the other side of the road? 
Title: Re: Sakura 6 channel amp model AP-009
Post by: av_phile1 on Dec 18, 2006 at 03:13 PM
Teka, isn't this thread out of place in the speaker section?  ;D
Title: Re: Sakura 6 channel amp model AP-009
Post by: John E. on Dec 19, 2006 at 01:52 AM
ako din sir pa post ng picture. ::)

 ;D this seems nice to check out. does it come with a remote control?

thanks.
Title: Re: Sakura 6 channel amp model AP-009
Post by: juneaki on Dec 19, 2006 at 08:39 AM
Teka, isn't this thread out of place in the speaker section?  ;D

 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Sakura 6 channel amp model AP-009
Post by: sansui on Dec 19, 2006 at 11:42 AM
Yes, in front of Liana's.  You have to buy both pre-amp and amp (packaged).  The pre-amp is not that good.  I connected the music source to my Behringer audio-mixer and the music became sweeter and smoother. 
Title: Re: Sakura 6 channel amp model AP-009
Post by: sansui on Dec 19, 2006 at 11:51 AM
I weighed the amp- 31 lbs.
Title: Re: Sakura 6 channel amp model AP-009
Post by: av_phile1 on Dec 19, 2006 at 12:21 PM
Yes, in front of Liana's.  You have to buy both pre-amp and amp (packaged).  The pre-amp is not that good.  I connected the music source to my Behringer audio-mixer and the music became sweeter and smoother. 

Last year when I chanced upon this shop, there was a similar Sakura power amp with massive heat sinks on the side but all-black.  It was retailing for 4.5T if I recall right.  It was the best and most serious looking Sakura I've seen at that time.  Could be the same.  Can you post pics of this gear? 
Title: Re: Sakura 6 channel amp model AP-009
Post by: sansui on Dec 20, 2006 at 12:05 AM
Paturo muna ako mag post ng pics.  Anyway, I saw the Sakura brochure and there are 4 models of these "serious" looking amps.
Title: Re: Sakura 6 channel amp model AP-009
Post by: sansui on Dec 21, 2006 at 10:23 PM
I photographed the amp.  Pls. teach me how to post the photos. t.y.
Title: Re: Sakura 6 channel amp model AP-009
Post by: atomicat10 on Dec 22, 2006 at 12:05 AM
1.transfer photo files to PC
2. go to a website which can host your photo files (image shack, photo bucket)
3. upload your digital photos there
4. copy the link provided by that website PER foto
5. make a post at pinoydvd, click on insert image icon
6. paste link inside in between brackets img /img
7. pic posted

(http://www.vintageshifi.com/images/30.SANSUI%202.jpg)
 
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: rustyns on Jan 06, 2007 at 11:42 PM
meron na bang bagong labas ang sakura kapalit ng av387a? ???
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: vergel on Jan 07, 2007 at 05:20 AM
mga sir, pwede ba yung mga old speakers ng component ko sa sakuraav387a amp.sira na kasi yung mga component ko at sayang nmn speakers, jvl at jvc yung mga compenent ko...salamat
Title: Re: Sakura 6 channel amp model AP-009
Post by: John E. on Jan 12, 2007 at 04:30 AM
 :D nakalimutan na ipost yung picture ???

okay pa rin po ba yung amp?
Title: Re: Sakura 6 channel amp model AP-009
Post by: sansui on Jan 13, 2007 at 12:32 AM
Di ko makuha kung paano mag post ng photos.  Medyo newbie ako sa computers.  Hanap muna ako ng friend ko na marunong.  Sinundan ko kasi instructions on how to post photos kaya lang nalito pa rin ako.  Anyway, I already took its photos and will post it as soon as possible.  Sorry for the delay.
Title: Re: Sakura 6 channel amp model AP-009
Post by: sansui on Jan 13, 2007 at 12:36 AM
Juric, I did a listening test with this Sakura amp vs. my new Konzert 302 vs. my old Pioneer VSX using audio CD material.  This Sakura amp wins by a mile in sound quality.
Title: Re: Sakura 6 channel amp model AP-009
Post by: lotus on Jan 15, 2007 at 09:26 AM
any specs on the other channels? malaki ba difference between the front and surround power?
Title: Re: Sakura 6 channel amp model AP-009
Post by: sansui on Jan 15, 2007 at 10:29 PM
Lotus, there is no specs regarding the power supplied to the other channels.  So far I have used this power amp for stereo application only.  There is a button though labeled AC-3 (Dolby) and Stereo (You have to use your DVD player's Dolby decoder).  The sound is finesse and smooth.  This Sakura power amp will sound very nicely in music that are engineered well during recording.  Less thoughtfully recorded music will sound crappy.  In the Konzert 302, the distinction between a well recorded and not so well recorded music is not as distinct.  I find the sound of the Konzert 302 and Pioneer VSX "dry" and the high frequencies not as "sweet" compared to this Sakura.  The sound difference is very obvious.  In my experience, an amp that sounds good in music is likely to sound well in home theatre applications.  These are just some of my observations in comparing the 3 amps mentioned.
Title: Re: Sakura 6 channel amp model AP-009
Post by: Zitr0 on Jan 16, 2007 at 09:38 AM
Sansui, if ever the pictures are not posted, is there a website that we can go through and possibly check this one out?

Been searching this one but nothing seem to appear, meron man, iba language, may english nga, pro SAKURA na involved sa med equipments yata. hehe!
Title: Re: Sakura 6 channel amp model AP-009
Post by: sansui on Jan 17, 2007 at 08:40 PM
Ric999, the Sakura brand when you do a search in Google is different from the Sakura that we know.  I was browsing some of my old magazines last week when I discovered where this particular Sakura amp's physical design was copied:  Forseti intgrated amp made by a company named Alchemist.  Halos sakto ang pagkaka gaya ng face plate and knob controls.  The magazine where I saw the ads is:  F1 The Magazine of Music and Sound- issue December 1997 (Paul McCartney is on the cover).  When I searched Google this afternoon for Forseti integrated amplifier, this came up:

www.alchemisthifi.info/ranges/forseti/alchemist_forseti_apd15rc_integrated_amplifier.htm

The physical design of these Forseti series of the brand Alchemist is what this Sakura AP-009 looks like.  Hope that helps you ric999 and juric.
Title: Re: Sakura 6 channel amp model AP-009
Post by: sansui on Jan 17, 2007 at 08:49 PM
Note that in the Forseti series, the heatsink is colored black and are vertically oriented.  The Sakura has gold aluminum heatsinks which are oriented horizontally.  There is no cooling fan in this Sakura and yet I never really gotten the amp hot despite hours of listening.  I can only guess that maybe the heatsinks on the sides works.
Title: Re: Sakura 6 channel amp model AP-009
Post by: Zitr0 on Jan 18, 2007 at 07:51 AM
Sansui, lam ko na sabi m sa mga unang post that this sounds smooth, more musical, and with finesse.

Pano bro ung soundstage, Depth of music, separation, detail?

TNX! :)
Title: Re: Sakura 6 channel amp model AP-009
Post by: sansui on Jan 18, 2007 at 08:31 AM
Ric999, when I first listened to this amp using a cd of bossa nova solo saxophone music, I was amazed.  I heard the raspiness, and the full bodied sound of the sax.  I never heard that sound in my other amps before.  I can also hear the subtlety of the singer breathing in some of the passages.  Classical guitar solos (I am a classical guitarist) sound crisp and clear.  Pinoy boy band recordings sounds good too (I am used to hearing live jamming sessions since my brother is the drummer of the bands "Sandwich", "Pedicab", and the now defunct "Teeth").  In acoustic recordings, I can easily imagine where the players are playing because the sound is distinct enough to let me hear the details.  And it definitely does'nt sound boomy or muddled nor too forward.  When comparing the sound using a few amps I own (Pioneer, Konzert, Hyundai, and this Sakura), this Sakura easily stands out.  The other amps sound almost the same, mababaw at dry ang tunog compared to this Sakura.  I am not saying that this amp is best.  But for its price and sound, it is the best bang for the buck among the sea of chinese amps.
Title: Re: Sakura 6 channel amp model AP-009
Post by: Zitr0 on Jan 18, 2007 at 11:19 AM
Thanks bro.

Ill try to check this out, sana lang makadaan ako dyan sa south, sa may llanas n sinasabi nyo... hehehe!
Title: Re: Sakura 6 channel amp model AP-009
Post by: reynold on Jan 18, 2007 at 11:36 AM
Sir Sansui,

That was a great review  :)

Actually i'm planning to get a sakura 387a but now, parang nagdadalawang isip ako and also based on my experience din, tama ang sinabi mo that if it's good in music, it's also good in movies... I went to raon yesterday but i found nothing of this model and it seems that no one (sakura sellers in raon) knows of this model <very sad and disappointing, distributor pa man din sila ng sakura, hehe  ;)>

Anyway, i hope you post some reviews pa and more power... pa-post din sir kung may iba pa kayo alam na nagbebenta nitong model na 'to.

Thanks and God Bless =)
Title: Re: Sakura 6 channel amp model AP-009
Post by: av_phile1 on Jan 18, 2007 at 11:45 AM
Ric999, the Sakura brand when you do a search in Google is different from the Sakura that we know.  I was browsing some of my old magazines last week when I discovered where this particular Sakura amp's physical design was copied:  Forseti intgrated amp made by a company named Alchemist.  Halos sakto ang pagkaka gaya ng face plate and knob controls.  The magazine where I saw the ads is:  F1 The Magazine of Music and Sound- issue December 1997 (Paul McCartney is on the cover).  When I searched Google this afternoon for Forseti integrated amplifier, this came up:

www.alchemisthifi.info/ranges/forseti/alchemist_forseti_apd15rc_integrated_amplifier.htm

The physical design of these Forseti series of the brand Alchemist is what this Sakura AP-009 looks like.  Hope that helps you ric999 and juric.

Wow that's a very interesting find.  The Forseti has an idle power consumption of 100 watts which reveals its class A/B topology must be biased close to a Class A amp.  If the Sakura model copied this Forseti lock stock and barrel, including the circuit but for 6 channels instead,  I have to say you have an integrated amp with a real killer value. 
Title: Re: Sakura 6 channel amp model AP-009
Post by: juneaki on Jan 18, 2007 at 01:54 PM
I think i saw this amp in one store at Raon. Just can't remember the name of the store but it is the one immediately before DEECO when you come from Quezon Blvd sa right side. I just dont know kung meron pa silang stock o kung nandon pa yun. March of last year pa kasi ng makita ko 'to when i was looking for a set of sound system for my child's school.
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: vergel on Jan 18, 2007 at 02:12 PM
up ko lang mga sir!!!
Title: Re: Sakura 6 channel amp model AP-009
Post by: baboinsky on Jan 18, 2007 at 02:41 PM
at the risk of sounding stupid.  Can you use these amp with your AV receiver (Bi-amp)?
Title: Re: Sakura 6 channel amp model AP-009
Post by: sansui on Jan 18, 2007 at 04:21 PM
I went and tried finding this particular model at Raon twice and found none.  I asked the owner of the store where I bought it why there is none in Raon.  He said since it is priced a little on the high side (compared to Konzert 302 and 502A and other Sakura amps), the dealers do not want to stock them for fear they might not sell fast.  Since December 2006 the store sold 3 of this amp.  There is one on display now and it is for sale.  BE WARNED though that there are 4 models of these Forseti looking amps.  I checked model A006 and its finish is not as finesse as the AP-009.  Also, the A006 uses an ordinary transformer, not the torroidal type found in both the power amp AP-009 and its matching preamp AK-008.  As to whether Sakura copied the circuitry of the Forseti, I cannot tell though I've examined the innards of this Sakura amp and have seen that of the Forseti in the internet (I'm no engineer).  I can say however that I find the Sakura's circuitry neat and elegant looking.  The name of the store in Sucat, Paranaque is BN Electronics.  Owner is Bert Figuracion.  It is located near the Lopez area and in-front of Mercury Drugstore.  It's a small store so look carefully so you will not miss it.
Title: Re: Sakura 6 channel amp model AP-009
Post by: reynold on Jan 18, 2007 at 07:47 PM
Thanks Sansui for the info, it'll help a lot :)
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: Signal2Noise on Jan 19, 2007 at 09:49 AM
Puwede 'yon, basta wag mo lang bibiritn iyong amp.  Tamang listening level lang and you will bring back the glory days of your system.

Regards,
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: vergel on Jan 19, 2007 at 01:37 PM
ok salamat sir, siguro hindi ko na lang lalakasan masyado kasi hindi nmn pang malakasan yung speakers ko,
may ma iirecommend ka ba na speaker set for this sakura 387a para pag uupgrade ko...thanks in advance
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: vergel on Jan 20, 2007 at 12:34 PM
or available pa ba itong ganitong model sa raon? anybody???
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: Signal2Noise on Jan 20, 2007 at 01:58 PM
or available pa ba itong ganitong model sa raon? anybody???

I've seen several loudspeakers at Raon, brands like: Phaser, Tamashi, JBC, Magnum, Promac, Dai-Ichi...etc.  But only one brand produced
a good quality sound and also the built...For me.....the name Crown.

I bought a pair of Crown sat speakers last 2000 (for only Php1000/pair - 40w @ 5 ohms 91dB) and until now maganda pa rin tumunog.  There were times na if I don't want to listen sa Monitor Audio S6 ko, I paired it with my tube amp and acceptable ang sound delivery nitong Crown sat.

Try to look for this brand and auditioned and you will be surprised...sa price tag, built quality and sound....Reasonable ito.

With regards sa Sakura amp, marami nang model ang inilabas nito and I guessed mas refined na ang sound quality compared sa 387.  You can check other models baka meron ka pang makita na mas maganda compared doon sa 387.

Regards, 8)



Title: Re: Sakura 6 channel amp model AP-009
Post by: lotus on Jan 22, 2007 at 03:41 PM
is it recommended for HT set-up... does it have 5.1 inputs? or may i say 5.1 ready?
Title: Re: Sakura 6 channel amp model AP-009
Post by: sansui on Jan 24, 2007 at 02:33 AM
Yes.
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: vergel on Feb 01, 2007 at 01:24 AM
salamat signal2noise
hanap na lang siguro ako sa raon pag may time, auditioned ko na lang din with other sakura amplifier, siguro nga may mas bago ng labas na model, maraming salamat for your help esp. sa mga baguhang katulad ko,any help i can offer to you just in case you need sa mga hobbies ko,
isa pang tanong, anong brand magandang sub sa raon na affordable ang price pero quality maganda,,thanks in advance..
vergel
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: Signal2Noise on Feb 04, 2007 at 06:36 PM
salamat signal2noise
hanap na lang siguro ako sa raon pag may time, auditioned ko na lang din with other sakura amplifier, siguro nga may mas bago ng labas na model, maraming salamat for your help esp. sa mga baguhang katulad ko,any help i can offer to you just in case you need sa mga hobbies ko,
isa pang tanong, anong brand magandang sub sa raon na affordable ang price pero quality maganda,,thanks in advance..
vergel

I've seen a 12" Konzert passive sub worth Php6K only somewhere in Raon.  But I would suggest na i-check mo iyong mga tindahan ng mga loudspeakers doon at baka makakita ka pa nang mas maganda at reasonable para sa price tag nito.  Better look for active subs, iyong powered na, it's a matter of bargaining para at least kung makatipid ka ng worth P500, may pang-taxi at pang-meriendang chami or lumpiang sariwa doon. OK 8)
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: Voltraizer on Feb 04, 2007 at 06:41 PM
pang-meriendang chami or lumpiang sariwa doon. OK 8)
alam ko yan , yun globe na lumpia ;D ;D
Title: Re: Sakura 6 channel amp model AP-009
Post by: DTS on Feb 15, 2007 at 08:02 AM
Hi Sansui, how's the AP-009?  It's been almost a month since your last update.

I might be going to the Sucat area on Saturday and plan to drop by BN to check out this amp.

Has anyone else experienced using this amp?
Title: Re: Sakura 6 channel amp model AP-009
Post by: jerix on Feb 15, 2007 at 11:00 AM
if this model is good why is this not popular in the market? ::)
Title: Re: Sakura 6 channel amp model AP-009
Post by: ATJr. on Feb 15, 2007 at 02:44 PM
4 amp fuse means power islimited to 880watts,this is huge...... :o
Title: Re: Sakura 6 channel amp model AP-009
Post by: sansui on Feb 17, 2007 at 02:07 AM
Hi DTS!  I'm still enjoying this Sakura amp.  And I would say that you get a lot of performance and sound finesse for so little money.  Another plus is the attractiveness of its physical design.  Everyone I know who see this amp is impressed.  So far, my average daily music listening with this amp is about 4 hours daily.  Have not experienced any problem.  Very much satisfied.
Title: Re: Sakura 6 channel amp model AP-009
Post by: DTS on Feb 18, 2007 at 09:31 AM
Hi Sansui.  Before I begin, let me first thank you for telling all of us here in this community about the AP-009.

Anyway, I was able to drop by BN yesterday.  I asked to see the AP-009 and the accompanying AK-008 preamp.  The only thing that disappointed me was that the 5.1 inputs were in the amp and not the preamp.  This is because all I needed was a 5.1 capable amplifier and do not really fancy karaoke, meaning I would only need the 009 and not the 008.  But as you already know, they don't sell it separately.

Proceeded to audition it anyway.  I consider myself "maarte" with audio, but not to the extent of being  an audiophile.  It just has to sound good and clean, and the 009 seems to do so.  I didn't get to test it much as I forgot to bring my own CDs. As for power, the 009 seems to have substantial amounts of it as it was driving BN's huge speakers quite easily.

I told the lady about my predicament and asked Sakura had a 5.1 amp.  The lady didn't seem very well versed on the Sakura products and as we looked in the brochure, I had to point out to her that they did have a 5.1 amp, the AP-007.

They didn't have one in stock, so I placed an order for one.  They're supposed to call me when the unit arrives at the shop, hopefully this week.

Anyways, could you help me on something?  How would I know if this amp has torroidal transformers as opposed to regular ones?  I'm really hoping the 007 is just the equivalent of the 009 without the need for a karaoke preamp.

Title: Re: Sakura 6 channel amp model AP-009
Post by: Weng! on Feb 18, 2007 at 09:47 AM
sir,

have you tried pairing the A009 as a power amp to an entry level AVR for HT?

OK kaya ang sound nito compared to the built-in discrete amps ng mga entry level AVR's?
Title: Re: Sakura 6 channel amp model AP-009
Post by: sansui on Feb 18, 2007 at 01:43 PM
DTS, have you seen the AP-008 on display?  I checked it with the intention of buying but decided not to go with the sale after I inspected it.  The reasons:  1)  Non-torroidal power supply,  2)  The fit and finish is well below the high quality I find the AP-009 to be and,  3)  the remote control supplied appears flimsy and with the letterings seemingly just letter transfers that will flake off on normal handling (although its to Sakura's credit that the remote control housing is made of brushed aluminum).  As with the AP-007, I don't know.  I can only surmise that it's the same as with the AP-008 being a lower model to both the AP-008 and AP-009.  I think you're better off buying the AP-009 and its mandatory karaoke preamp.  If you will not be needing the preamp, I guess there will be interested buyers for it.  You cannot really properly audition the amps in their shop because of the noise in the street.  I bought this AP-009 almost blindly and was just impressed by its looks and hefty weight (compared to other chinese amps).  But I am pleasantly surprised well above my expectations once I set it up in my house.  It's one of those "blind buying" that turned out to be a really good discovery.  I will be happy to hear from you again.
Title: Re: Sakura 6 channel amp model AP-009
Post by: sansui on Feb 18, 2007 at 01:57 PM
Hi Gnew!  I have not yet tried the home theatre capabilities of this amp since I only use it for listening in stereo music.  I have a Hyundai home theatre with its own discrete amp.  I have not yet found the time to set-up this Sakura AP-009 for home theatre duties.  Anyway, there are four volume control knobs in its front, one each for:  Rear, Front, Sub, and Main Volume.  There is a push button switch for listening to stereo or multi-channel surrounds. 
Title: Re: Sakura 6 channel amp model AP-009
Post by: sansui on Feb 18, 2007 at 02:05 PM
Sir AVphile, I would like to ask for your respected opinion / answer.  I've been using this Sakura amp almost daily at normal room listening levels.  It does not get hot nor really warm unlike the Konzert or the Pioneer amps that I also own.  It has no fan and its heatsinks also do not get warm.  I am just wondering why?  Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: Sakura 6 channel amp model AP-009
Post by: DTS on Feb 19, 2007 at 09:10 AM
Hi Sansui.  How can I see if the power supply is torroidal?
Title: Re: Sakura 6 channel amp model AP-009
Post by: sansui on Feb 19, 2007 at 10:45 AM
DTS, you can peek through the vent holes at the top of the amp.  They are numerous and large enough so it is easy to view its innards.
Title: Re: Sakura 6 channel amp model AP-009
Post by: Weng! on Feb 19, 2007 at 10:50 AM
Hi Gnew!  I have not yet tried the home theatre capabilities of this amp since I only use it for listening in stereo music.  I have a Hyundai home theatre with its own discrete amp.  I have not yet found the time to set-up this Sakura AP-009 for home theatre duties.  Anyway, there are four volume control knobs in its front, one each for:  Rear, Front, Sub, and Main Volume.  There is a push button switch for listening to stereo or multi-channel surrounds. 

thanks sir. may separate volume controls pa pala. pwede din siguro tanggalin ang potentiometers para maging power amp na lang talaga for HT.
Title: Re: Sakura 6 channel amp model AP-009
Post by: gearhead on Feb 19, 2007 at 12:38 PM
Hi Sansui.  How can I see if the power supply is torroidal?

(http://www.alchemisthifi.info/ranges/forseti/images/forseti_rc_integrated_inside_channel_op_1200.jpg)

this is the same model as the sakura amp (from the posts above).
you can see the toroidal transformer in the top rightmost corner.
Title: Re: Sakura 6 channel amp model AP-009
Post by: m0b1u5 on Feb 19, 2007 at 01:14 PM
sirs,
 can you share any contact info of the store you bought the amp? address and contact numbers will be a great help.

thanks
Title: Re: Sakura 6 channel amp model AP-009
Post by: av_phile1 on Feb 19, 2007 at 09:25 PM
Sir AVphile, I would like to ask for your respected opinion / answer.  I've been using this Sakura amp almost daily at normal room listening levels.  It does not get hot nor really warm unlike the Konzert or the Pioneer amps that I also own.  It has no fan and its heatsinks also do not get warm.  I am just wondering why?  Thanks in advance.

Neither do my Acurus power amps (just warm).  I think that's because we hardly have pushed the amps to really flex their muscle. Bear in mind that most comfortable listening levels in typical rooms hardly exceed 10watts rms per channel on reasonably sensitive speakers.   Or the transistors used are biased at the lower end of their SOA (Safe Operating Limits).  Or their heatsinks are well designed to dissipate heat more evenly.  Or your rack get excellent ventilation.  But whatever, it's a shame we can't re-heat our coffee or pizza on it.  ;D 
Title: Re: Sakura 6 channel amp model AP-009
Post by: sansui on Feb 19, 2007 at 09:45 PM
Sir AVphile, thanks!
Title: Re: Sakura 6 channel amp model AP-009
Post by: agmjr on Feb 21, 2007 at 08:50 AM
The only thing that disappointed me was that the 5.1 inputs were in the amp and not the preamp. 

i am noob in this but i am quite intrigue with the sakura amp. does this mean sir that i can not connect a receiver with a built 6.1 pre-out on the ap-009? my plan kasi is to buy it and just put on the freezer the accompanying ap008 (the pre-amp) tutal di naman ako magaling kumanta  ;D
Title: Re: Sakura 6 channel amp model AP-009
Post by: sansui on Feb 21, 2007 at 10:46 AM
Hi  agmjr!  You can directly connect a tuner, tape deck, or cd player because there is a stereo RCA auxiliiary jack at the side of the AP-009.  Doing so however means bypassing the karaoke preamp where the bass and treble controls are located.  You however, can still connect your music source via the karaoke preamp because it is actually a stereo preamp.  I guess Sakura just named it karaoke preamp because aside from the usual tone controls, there are a few knobs for reverb, and volume controls for microphones.  The preamp also has its usual RCA inputs for tuner, cd player, tape, and dvd player.  If you have an existing preamp, you may also use it instead of the Sakura's preamp.  The AP-009 is simply a 6-channel power amp.  You will still be needing a preamp to adjust the bass and treble to your taste. 
Title: Re: Sakura 6 channel amp model AP-009
Post by: Weng! on Feb 21, 2007 at 10:59 AM
Hi Gnew!  I have not yet tried the home theatre capabilities of this amp since I only use it for listening in stereo music.  I have a Hyundai home theatre with its own discrete amp.  I have not yet found the time to set-up this Sakura AP-009 for home theatre duties.  Anyway, there are four volume control knobs in its front, one each for:  Rear, Front, Sub, and Main Volume.  There is a push button switch for listening to stereo or multi-channel surrounds. 

thanks for the reply sir.

are there 6 pairs of RCA input jacks found at the back of the AP-009? you have mentioned above that there are also volume controls on the fronts panel, are those knobs (3 or 4??) controlling a pair of channels?

i am only interested on the AP-009 if it can take 6 pre-outs of an HT AVR to make use of its 6 channel amplifier.
Title: Re: Sakura 6 channel amp model AP-009
Post by: sansui on Feb 21, 2007 at 12:48 PM
The RCA inputs on the AP-009:  center, sub, front (left and right), rear (left and right) and auxilliary.  The speaker outputs:  front left, front right, center, rear left, rear right, subwoofer left, subwoofer right.  The volume controls:  sub, rear, center, main volume.  There are only two buttons:  power (with corresponding blue led light) and AC-3 or stereo push button switch.  Since it has no built-in Dolby Digital or DTS decoder, you have to use the built-in in your DVD player (if it has these features).  I  would reiterate that I have not yet tried it for home theatre applications.  It sounds really good in audio stereo.  The weight of this amp is 31 lbs.
Title: Re: Sakura 6 channel amp model AP-009
Post by: Weng! on Feb 22, 2007 at 03:05 AM
The RCA inputs on the AP-009:  center, sub, front (left and right), rear (left and right) and auxilliary.  The speaker outputs:  front left, front right, center, rear left, rear right, subwoofer left, subwoofer right.  The volume controls:  sub, rear, center, main volume.  There are only two buttons:  power (with corresponding blue led light) and AC-3 or stereo push button switch.  Since it has no built-in Dolby Digital or DTS decoder, you have to use the built-in in your DVD player (if it has these features).  I  would reiterate that I have not yet tried it for home theatre applications.  It sounds really good in audio stereo.  The weight of this amp is 31 lbs.

thanks again for the info and clarification sir sansui.

i wonder if you can use the SUB IN to power surround speaker. the SUB discrete amp should be solely for amplification only coz there are no x-overs mentioned in the amp.
Title: Re: Sakura 6 channel amp model AP-009
Post by: sansui on Feb 23, 2007 at 12:02 AM
Gnew, maybe.  Although there are two sub speaker out connections (left and right) that you can use if you want 2 subs, there is only a single RCA sub-in (thus it is purely mono).  And it seems that you are right that it is solely for signal amplification because I use that sub-out to get signal to input in my sub's high level input for stereo lestening.
Title: Re: Sakura 6 channel amp model AP-009
Post by: sansui on Feb 23, 2007 at 12:13 AM
Gnew, correction.  I looked at the back of the amp and I get a signal to feed to my sub in one of the front channel outputs where my stereo speakers are connected.  Anyway, my guess is though there is no x-over, the signal that will be fed by your dvd player in the sub speaker out channel of the amp would be low frequencies thus making it unsuitable for surround speakers.
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: JakeCastle on Apr 11, 2007 at 05:37 AM
Am planning to buy a sakura amplifier and use it on a computer with a 5.1 soundcard with all the necessary connections. (Acually yung unang RONGXIN na integrated, bumigay na after years of abuse) I intend to purchase a pair of DAIICHI three way Hi-fi speakers, which is rated at 100W. Has anyone tried this setup before? mahirap lang ako kaya kung pwede sana ayaw ko makarinig ng Yamaha, Denon, Bose, Berihnger. Eto lang po kaya ng bulsa ko... kamusta po ba ang tunog ng DAIICHI vs PHAZER?
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: av_phile1 on Apr 11, 2007 at 04:50 PM
Amplifiers of decent make like the Sakura should have no problem ampliying your 5.1 soundcard output. Just DIY or get a well constructed RCA to 3.5mm jack cable for a secure connection between the two.  Dai-1chi has been in the speaker business for decades now and is a respected OEM for many well known brands.  They don't disappoint and are exceptional at their price range.  You might also want to consider a wharfedale diamond 9 or 8 as I recall reading here that the prices of some Dai-ichi models are even higher than an equivalent Diamond model.  Just don't know if that is still accurate.  Just check them out. 
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: JakeCastle on Apr 16, 2007 at 02:08 AM
Finally purchased the Sakrua 387A 5.1 amplifier as per sir Mike of Aaron Moses' recommendation. Friendly guy, good advice and nice discounted heheh tanks to sir Arturio.... kamusta daw po sabi ni mike, your compadre...

So far so good.. I just transferred the old baby stereo plugs to RCA cables to the proper inputs. Currently I plugged my old satellites from the Rongxin DV88 and it sounded better that the original amplifier. I guess tama yung sabi ni sir mike na mas maganda yung tunog ng 387A compared to the newer models. I fired the amp with windows media player and DFX plugin and couldnt help but smile. After configuring the amps DSP with Nero Digital Showtime I couldnt believe my ears... bwahahaah am so please I spent all night tinkering with the system

Am sooo happy i didnt fall for the temptng Php 2,000 integrated amp and speakers they were selling at the sidewalk. I guess when it comes to speakers you get what you pay for. I am now facing a dilemna. Speaker placement and which loud speakers to use... cubes, bookshelf, towers? whats the appropriate speaker placement?
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: Archie on Apr 18, 2007 at 02:01 AM
problem here on my sakura 387a, Center and surround channel gives out distortion while in AM mode.

FM and DVDs are ok.
Title: Re: Sakura 6 channel amp model AP-009
Post by: rustyns on Apr 20, 2007 at 01:57 AM
This is very intriguing. Sir Sansui, kung ok lang sa yo, paki-email yung pics sa [email protected] and I will post them here.

TIA

Di ko makuha kung paano mag post ng photos.  Medyo newbie ako sa computers.  Hanap muna ako ng friend ko na marunong.  Sinundan ko kasi instructions on how to post photos kaya lang nalito pa rin ako.  Anyway, I already took its photos and will post it as soon as possible.  Sorry for the delay.
Title: Re: Sakura 6 channel amp model AP-009
Post by: sansui on Apr 20, 2007 at 08:24 AM
rustyns, try ko e-mail sa yo tonight. 
Title: Where to buy Sakura amplies in Manila?
Post by: ditterdi on May 02, 2007 at 12:43 PM
Hi,

can someone recomment a store in Manila that has a good collection of Sakura amplies at sharp prices?

thanks,

Leo.
Title: Re: Where to buy Sakura amplies in Manila?
Post by: NMM1 on May 02, 2007 at 03:06 PM
sir, u might wanna check out Raon... from what i've heard there are stores there that sell that brand, m not sure though where exactly...
Title: Re: Where to buy Sakura amplies in Manila?
Post by: ditterdi on May 03, 2007 at 03:45 PM
thanks,

can you name a specific shop?

leo.
Title: Re: Where to buy Sakura amplies in Manila?
Post by: ditterdi on May 04, 2007 at 12:06 PM
Thanks!

Leo
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: mervn on May 09, 2007 at 08:39 PM

any comment pls

meron na po bang naka pag try sa inyo ng sakura av-519?


thanks in advance
mervn
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: Heartbreak Kid on May 21, 2007 at 12:25 PM
Paano po ulit mag-add ng am/fm stations sa program ng sakura av387A? Sori I forgot na po. Thanks.
Title: Re: Where to buy Sakura amplies in Manila?
Post by: Heartbreak Kid on May 22, 2007 at 01:21 PM
Paano po ulit mag-add ng am/fm stations sa program ng sakura av387A? Sori I forgot na po. Thanks.
Title: Re: Where to buy Sakura amplies in Manila?
Post by: arthurallanj on May 23, 2007 at 09:03 AM
Try Moses Aaron beside Metrobank Raon, look for Mike. 7354390.  ;)
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: JakeCastle on May 31, 2007 at 11:03 PM
yeah same here the documentation/manual that came with my sakura amp is barely intelligble. I am having problems with my HTPC setup (home theater personal computer). The thing is I a lose the audio when I use both opera and a media player. In addition the God damn media player wont work right. I gave up on the problem. I downloaded the lastest sound card driver, patche etc., even replaced the soundcard sigh same problem grrrr....
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: threadlock on Jun 01, 2007 at 05:00 PM
Any updates sa price ng Sakura AV-389? Im planning to buy one =)
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: yasmine_leigh on Jul 18, 2007 at 11:23 PM
pwede po ba ung ganitong setup?

TV --> AV reciever
Home Theater PC --> AV reciever
dvd Player --> AV reciever?
5.1 speaker -->AV reciever?

and pwede po ba sya sa HTPC na setup or pang dvd player lang sya?

maraming salamat po.
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: threadlock on Jul 19, 2007 at 06:58 PM
pwede po ba ung ganitong setup?

TV --> AV reciever
Home Theater PC --> AV reciever
dvd Player --> AV reciever?
5.1 speaker -->AV reciever?

and pwede po ba sya sa HTPC na setup or pang dvd player lang sya?

maraming salamat po.

Pwede po. Can be both use for HTPC setup at DVD, you just have to switch b/w sources(TV,DVD,PC)
Ganyan ang HTPC setup ko dati for my Sakura AVR:
Kelangan mo lang pumili kung alin ang priority mo your 5.1 channels kasi walang Digital input ang mga Sakura AVR.

DVD player priority (5.1 input of Sakura will be used for DVD Player):
TV-->dual RCA cable-->AV reciever
PC -->Baby Stereo Jack-to-RCA Cable-->AV reciever
dvd Player --> 5.1 Home theatre cable-->AV reciever

HTPC priority (5.1 input of Sakura will be used for the PC):
TV-->dual RCA cable-->AV reciever
PC -->5.1 Home theatre cable-->AV reciever
dvd Player -->dual RCA cable-->AV reciever

yung 5.1 speakers meron syang ports for that.

Hope it helps....  8)
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: yasmine_leigh on Jul 19, 2007 at 08:51 PM
thanks threadlock.

my priority would be dvd since ung purpose ko ng htpc for now would be mp3 and ung downloaded tv series which is and i think di naman naka 5.1 ung sound.

ung sakura po ba eh may prologic? ito ata ung kapag ang dvd mo is not 5.1 eh gagawin nyang 5.1 ung sound? tama po ba ako? sensya na po newbie po.  kasi di naman lahat ng P******DVD eh may 5.1 sounds...

Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: Archie on Jul 20, 2007 at 06:43 AM
howz your 389?

mine kasi pag tuner, ang center channel medyo maingay, lalo pa kung AM.

anyway, am using it mainly for dvd playbacks.
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: threadlock on Jul 20, 2007 at 12:47 PM
My Sakura 387a has a prologic. Stereo sources is spread to my 5 channels. However, I have to lower the volume of the rear L/R speakers as they are too loud and does not sound good both for music/ht. In my sakura remote I can choose: 2ch, 3ch, or 5ch. The bad thing about this is that what comes out of the rear speakers is the same as the front speakers, giving the effect that One person talking in the movie is talking and standing at the four corners of your room.
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: kikongkiko on Oct 10, 2007 at 02:34 PM
mga sir meron po bang nabibiling remote ng sakura 387a? nasira kc yun remote nung sakura ko ayaw na gumana.. nakakabili ba ng remote lang? san kaya meron?
Title: Re: Where to buy Sakura amplies in Manila?
Post by: wool on Oct 14, 2007 at 12:35 AM
up ko lang may bagon model ba sakura to replace their 327 kung wala na. may nabibili pa bang ganitong model or masOK cash more and get higher models like 387
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: wool on Oct 14, 2007 at 12:40 AM
may lower models ba sakura aside from 327 kasi bumigay yun vixual HTIB integrated amplifier and im planning to reuse all the speakers as well as the sub. maliit lang yun room for my setup kaya ok lang no need for higher wattages.
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: jpodvd on Nov 21, 2007 at 09:21 AM
sira na din remote ng sakura ko, meron kaya neto sa raon?
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: m0b1u5 on Nov 21, 2007 at 10:46 AM
call Jenny of Knight Audio in Raon... you can bring your remote for repair and/or order for a replacement...
I lost her number though...  ???  ::)
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: kikongkiko on Nov 22, 2007 at 04:38 PM
2mawag ako sa moses aaron dun ko kc binili yung sakura ko. P 450 naman yung quote sakin na price nung remote. parang namamahalan ako. bka pede yung sa knight audio na repair baka mas mura. kaso lang number para makapag inquire.
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: jerix on Dec 12, 2007 at 07:36 AM
My Sakura 387a has a prologic. Stereo sources is spread to my 5 channels. However, I have to lower the volume of the rear L/R speakers as they are too loud and does not sound good both for music/ht. In my sakura remote I can choose: 2ch, 3ch, or 5ch. The bad thing about this is that what comes out of the rear speakers is the same as the front speakers, giving the effect that One person talking in the movie is talking and standing at the four corners of your room.


M just wondering how would this happen if the source of the signal comes from the 5.1 output of the DVD player which i think routes the signal to appropriate channels of the amp.
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: threadlock on Dec 12, 2007 at 02:15 PM
M just wondering how would this happen if the source of the signal comes from the 5.1 output of the DVD player which i think routes the signal to appropriate channels of the amp.

As i've said prologic processing is only for stereo signal, not for 5.1 output of the DVD player.
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: jerix on Dec 13, 2007 at 07:35 AM
As i've said prologic processing is only for stereo signal, not for 5.1 output of the DVD player.

ok bro thanks for the clarification -- well if that is the case i may as well get this for my sons HT setup and my karaoke needs. I have already confirmed that DEECO commonwealth has several units of this 387a - i do not need to go to Raon. ;D
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: darrel on Dec 26, 2007 at 07:11 PM
prices of amps in deeco are way expensive just my .02
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: demented_ on Dec 31, 2007 at 02:00 AM
OK ba ang Sakura-387a i-match sa ganito?

Whaferdale WH2 center and rear
Whaferdale front 9.1

Thanks. Magkano na nga pala ang 387a ngayon?
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: jerix on Jan 02, 2008 at 02:22 PM
3.6k po Deeco
Title: has anyone tried sakura av-343
Post by: damuho on Jan 07, 2008 at 06:43 AM
mga bossing

plano ko po bumili ng sakura amps sa raon for my PC audio. Im personally eyeing on a sakura brand model av-343 (white)kasi sleek yung design nya and 5.1 channel cia only for 3k 250 watts. Pero Im not sure if ayus po ito kasi ala pa akong makitang review neto sa forum... any suggestions mga guru?
Title: Re: has anyone tried sakura av-343
Post by: allan1836 on Jan 07, 2008 at 07:47 AM
If you like the design of the Sakura, it's an "ok" choice narin but you still have to buy matching speakers and it will jack up the cost. The 5.1 ch feature is irrelevant if you only have 2ch analog audio output from your pc. The Sakura don't have digital input as well and no proper dd/dts decoder inside.

I believe you will be better of with a good multimedia speakers. If you are specifying a 5.1 sound then choose a mmspeaker model with built in dd/dts decoder such as Altec Lansing, but you must have an audio card with digital output and can pass dd/dts.

My friend recommended to me a cheap mmspeaker that sounds good, though It's only 2.1. The brand is Avant (forgot the model) and can be seen in SM appliance. I saw 2 models but the bigger one is much better and cost around 4T. It's the model with a aluminum woofer cone (similar to MS woofers).  ;)
Title: Re: has anyone tried sakura av-343
Post by: damuho on Jan 07, 2008 at 10:57 AM
thanks for the response boss... actually I have a 5.1 out on my sound card so I think I can use this. I've through a lot of multimedia speakers pero limited lang power nila. Lagi pa rin ako hanap ng louder systems so I decided to get an amp for a change. Im just not sure if woth the buck ang amps ng raon... hehehe. tnx
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: vergel on Jan 31, 2008 at 12:50 AM
hello, what is the latest sakura amplifier AVR? ang how much and where can i buy it...thanks for the reply...
Title: SAKURA AV-345 200 WATTS ok na kaya ito?
Post by: rapc27 on Feb 04, 2008 at 12:19 PM
sakura AV-345 200 watts ok na kaya ito? HT simple setup kaya nya kaya i deliver ang ganitong speaker?

1.3ft height 160watts
2.Flr. stand 100watts
3.DTX Subwoofer  150watts

ano ba ngayon ang latest model ng SAKURA ang may mataas na wattage?



 
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: cHiNo2728 on Feb 17, 2008 at 07:31 PM
Anyone see or test the new Sakura 345 or 348 on display at Parksquare 1? Costing 5k? The front looks aesthetically pleasing. Almost copying from Harman Kardon amplifiers.
Title: Re: Where to buy Sakura amplies in Manila?
Post by: vergel on Apr 11, 2008 at 10:08 AM
up ko lang, ano na ba bagong sakura amplifier sa market ngayon at magkano? sa moses aaron ano pinaka bago nila dun?
Title: Re: Where to buy Sakura amplies in Manila?
Post by: KubetaMax on Jun 08, 2008 at 11:38 AM
parang me nakita ako sa sm hypermarket ;)
Title: Re: Where to buy Sakura amplies in Manila?
Post by: squatt3r on Jun 08, 2008 at 12:26 PM
sa mga Hypermarket ng SM madami po.
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: Heartbreak Kid on Jun 13, 2008 at 12:51 PM
san po kaya pwede ipa-repair ung Sakura 387a ko? uncontrollable na kasi yung volume. saka meron bang alternative sa antenna na kasama sa package? hirap kasi makakuha ng signal lalo na yung AM.

thanks.
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: Ctlim on Jun 14, 2008 at 10:41 AM
may sakura pa nga na Tube Amp sa AVDI shangrila... saw it last time I went there.
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: comet on Jun 15, 2008 at 07:01 AM
Mga sirs may power amp ba ang sakura? How much and saan available?
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: 3j on Jun 21, 2008 at 10:19 AM
Here's something new about SAKURA ... meron na kaya dito nito? (Japanese Hi-end ang dating)

http://www.sakurasystems.com/intro.html
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: KubetaMax on Jul 07, 2008 at 12:07 AM
Anyone see or test the new Sakura 345 or 348 on display at Parksquare 1? Costing 5k? The front looks aesthetically pleasing. Almost copying from Harman Kardon amplifiers.

saw sakura 345 at hypermart its only P2,900 if im not mistaken. Is this a good amp? Can I use this for videoke? I noticed that the subwoofer plug is RCA. How can I plug my subs (two 8inchers - they have speaker wires.. 2 left, 2 right)? Thanks.
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: romevenom on Jul 11, 2008 at 09:01 AM
Hi,

Do you guys know what brand of speaker best matched a Sakura Amplifier?

Thanks!
Rome
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: leomar on Jul 11, 2008 at 10:12 AM
i used euros 8 set with sakura before sir... it can drive the speakers naman, i was satisfied with the sakura as my first receiver  :)
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: romevenom on Jul 11, 2008 at 01:51 PM
i used euros 8 set with sakura before sir... it can drive the speakers naman, i was satisfied with the sakura as my first receiver  :)

Sir ano po ung euro 8 set? Sorry for my ignorance. Se2t-up kasi namin ung Hall namin. Meron na kami Sakura amp. Balak ko kasi bumili ng 3 pairs of speakers. Ung Konzert na speaker ok na din ba?
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: leomar on Jul 11, 2008 at 03:26 PM
Sir ano po ung euro 8 set? Sorry for my ignorance. Se2t-up kasi namin ung Hall namin. Meron na kami Sakura amp. Balak ko kasi bumili ng 3 pairs of speakers. Ung Konzert na speaker ok na din ba?


euros 8, made by dai-ichi... 5th floor sa mega B, pede mo i-audition dun kung may stock pa sila.. hindi ko pa nagagamit ang konzert kaya hindi ko alam sir... sa raon ata halos puro kozert and dinidemo nila...
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: romevenom on Jul 11, 2008 at 04:33 PM
euros 8, made by dai-ichi... 5th floor sa mega B, pede mo i-audition dun kung may stock pa sila.. hindi ko pa nagagamit ang konzert kaya hindi ko alam sir... sa raon ata halos puro kozert and dinidemo nila...

Thank you Sir leomar! Kamusta naman tunog ng euro 8 sa Sakura Amp sir? Kailangan pa ba ng DSP Processor?
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: --Streetlegal-- on Jul 16, 2008 at 01:50 PM
saw sakura 345 at hypermart its only P2,900 if im not mistaken. Is this a good amp? Can I use this for videoke? I noticed that the subwoofer plug is RCA. How can I plug my subs (two 8inchers - they have speaker wires.. 2 left, 2 right)? Thanks.

subs should be an active one sir, i think your subs is passive only, it has no volume control unlike other sub which is dedicated for ht

correct me if i'm wrong sir(no volume control)
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: romevenom on Jul 16, 2008 at 02:20 PM
Can anyone help me on what speaker can match Sakura amplifier?  ;)
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: KubetaMax on Jul 24, 2008 at 08:55 AM
subs should be an active one sir, i think your subs is passive only, it has no volume control unlike other sub which is dedicated for ht

correct me if i'm wrong sir(no volume control)

thats correct sir it's a pair of passive sub i used in my car. Any recommendations on how i can use them at home? thanks.
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: lancer on Nov 12, 2008 at 01:49 PM
Good day! I'm just a newbie in this forum, would like to ask if may review na ba sa AV 5024 nang Sakura?
Kabibili ko lang kasi.
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: klipsch on Nov 23, 2008 at 10:25 AM
bro magkano kuha mo?  :)
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: lancer on Nov 24, 2008 at 12:27 PM
3,800 bro.
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: juneaki on Nov 26, 2008 at 10:22 AM
Any review on Sakura AVR 348?
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: dotpoint on Feb 12, 2009 at 05:28 PM
Good day! I'm just a newbie in this forum, would like to ask if may review na ba sa AV 5024 nang Sakura?
Kabibili ko lang kasi.

Hi to all!
Newbie here, I just wanna ask if whats the difference between the 5024 Amp and 733 amp mixer. I was planing kasi to setup an HT beginning at amp and a pair of speaker. I do have already by the way a Subs (active).

I appreciate any advice.

TIA
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: jerix on Feb 13, 2009 at 09:12 AM
got the 387a, a relatively good but cheap 5.1 amp. If your source has 5.1 analog output this amp is good enough, a lot better than a HTIB setup. You can choose how many speakers you will use:2, 3 or 5. Even for karaoke, i use the 5 speaker setup. The 387a has a good bass mechanism and very appropriate if you use speaker systems with bigger woofer, in this case, you no longer need a subwoofer.   

some cons: When turning this on, through its on-off button, you have to be very fast because volume is defaulted in the maximum level and in Tuner mode. I really dont know why sakura made it this way. Likewise, it has several effects system like hall , live, simulated, pop, rock, etc. but playing on this one by one, i never noticed any change in the sound -- so i think this feature is only a decoration. ;D
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: ghomer on Feb 18, 2009 at 11:17 PM
sa totoo lang sa dami ng model amp ng sakura ndi ko alm kung anu bibilin ko... ung malalaks na ampli ng sakura wala akong makitang matinong review.. meron man babalik nman sa ibang model ang topic.. wala akong makitang review na sakura na may 500 watts pataas.. like what i said meron man balik din sa ibang model..  wla manlang detail regarding sa amp.. puro below 500 watts ang nakikita kong review.. meron ngang malalakas na model, SAKURA 5023, SAKURA 5024 SAKURA 735 pero wala nman maxado review.. kung baga ndi solid or ndi ngsstick sa isang model ang user ng sakura.. ndi pla katulad ng konzert502a... ndi man gnun kadami ang review pero solid cla sa isang model.. SATISFIED in short.. kasi nga malaks tlaga.. kya bihira mg'labas ng model ang konzert satisfied lahat sa performance and power handling.. and ders nothing to upgrade pa, sabi din yan nung isang user.. pero ndi ko kau masisisi.. its my own opinion lng nmn..
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: Lilo_improbum on Mar 05, 2009 at 08:39 PM
my personal point of view.... as a owner of Sakura amps satisified ako sa performance in terms kung gagamitin for  Home theater use and for karaoke..Matibay ang Sakura, it is my first baby amp and until now maganda pa rin tumunog,clear mid and Highs ..4 years na sakin yung Sakura pina bili ko sa Tita ko nang pumunta nang Cebu ..I buy it nung June 2005 pa..dami nang scratch kasi ang dami  humihiram for Karaoke use...Well what I did for my simple set up is I pair it with Crown 300 watts Woofer and Crown Horn tweeter..I also did the passive crossover para gumanda yung tunog.. Plus my equalizer pa...Gumamit ako nang Particle board na malilit yung particles,for baffles, my box design is identical sa mga sub woofer boxes.... ;D Well? it is really up to the owner on how he make an amplifier sound good..sabi nga ni chief pilyo mix and match lang yan...So mga Sakura Amp owners, a little homework to do kung gustu nyu hayup ang sound nang Amp nyu...Speakers and Baffles shud be planned! A good choice for material to be use for baffles and a good speaker too na affordable lng.. hehe our route here kasi Is  good sound at a good price..Better do it DIY...  ;D  ;D  ;D
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: ghomer on Mar 06, 2009 at 12:26 AM
db ang katumbas ng sakura 5023 is konzert502???? may review nb dto bout sa amp na toh?? wala db?... eh ung sakura 5024 meron nb??? db wala rin??? eh sakura 735 meron din bah??? db mas lalong wala?... marami ngang reveiw sa sakura pero sa mga nabanggit kong amp ng sakura, walang matatag na review bout sa mga amp na toh.. di katulad ng konzert502.. cgro mganda for sakura user ang performance nila but wen it comes to power handling, mas malupet ang 502 kc kahit apat na de-kinseng speaker eh kaya nya.. nasa timpla lang para mas lalao gumanda ang tunog.. 5023,5024,735 wla tlga kong makitang matatag na review..most of videoke machine is using 502 kc nga matatag and malakas.. gagamit bah nman cla ng ampli ng ndi kakayanin ang malakasan ng sounds?... so meaning konzert tlaga mas mabili nd mas astig..  FOR ME lang ha..
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: Lilo_improbum on Mar 06, 2009 at 07:20 AM
No reviews for Sakura , because it is simply not popular by name,Konzert did have a good choice in selecting a name to market it's product...There are a lots of Sakura owners but unfortunately too few, know there is Existing thread for the Amp they use to comment the performance, Sound Quality and power handling..Konzert amp, I dnt have negative feedback on it ,  as I also admire it as an amplifier for home use..Well?? For me as I buy the Amp as it sounds nice I have no complains about its power handling and performance..My intention is, use it in a desirable volume where it is suitable for the space of the house we have..Well if I want it loud I have the Subwoofer back up, made by pilyo..The amp3 driving two 15 inch Daichi Subs...Now, if Konzert 502 wants to beat my lowly Sakura amp, there goes his brother that has a power to offer.. Hehehe  ;D   ;D  ;D With the back up Sub di na mahuhuli ang set up ko in terms of performance and sound quality..
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: textmailbox on Jul 28, 2009 at 01:08 PM

Hello. I just bought Sakura 502K. And I just want to tell everybody that i am satisfied. Clear tones and cool blue selector and volume control keys. With MP3 input and separate digital delay chip for karaoke function.

Sa may Shell Electronics sa Raon ko binili... nag audition ako duon bago ko siya binayaran. So far, wala akong reklamo. Pinag-pilian ko ang Konzert 502A at Sakura 502K, pero mas gusto ko ang Sakura 502K @550 WPC.

Pwede daw quadro-sonic sabi ng cousin ko. Ang speaker ko two (2) pieces na Pioneer CS-703 15" Woofer.

Cool....

Eto number ng Shell 733-3774/0922-8879167, pwede nyong tawagan for info.

Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: t68kv on Jul 30, 2009 at 12:21 AM
recheck mo yung price bro :) baka medyo namalikmata ka lang or nagmali ng pandinig or nagkamali yung tindera hehe. Tinanong ko yan dati, pati sa suppliers :)
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: textmailbox on Aug 12, 2009 at 04:16 PM

Na-try ko din ang Sakura 502K sa Crown plastic cabs speakers PRO-5001 15".

Ang lakas...  nakakaaliw kumanta.

'Nga lang pinahinaan ng katapat bahay at di na raw marinig ang TV nila.

Parang gusto ko tuloy bumili kahit na Crown PRO-2001 12" lang or Crown PRO-1001 10".

 :)
Title: Re: Where to buy Sakura amplies in Manila?
Post by: textmailbox on Aug 12, 2009 at 04:35 PM
Mga ka-PDVD,

Marami dealer ng Sakura Amps sa Raon.

Eto, try nyo magtanong ng Sakura Amp sa Shell Electronics, Raon.  Hanapin nyo si Jen a.k.a. Jho

tel. 733-3774 cel. 0922-8879167

Title: Re: SAKURA AV-345 200 WATTS ok na kaya ito?
Post by: textmailbox on Aug 12, 2009 at 04:47 PM

Sakura AV-502 550wpc
Title: Re: has anyone tried sakura av-343
Post by: textmailbox on Aug 12, 2009 at 04:56 PM

Sakura 502K @550wpc is good for hi-fi audio, just pair it with nice brand of speakers.

Nowadays, speakers are more important.

If you are'nt still satisfied with the sound output you can buy digital processor and hook it in/out your Sakura amplifier.

Title: Re: my web site ba ang sakura
Post by: textmailbox on Aug 12, 2009 at 05:48 PM

Sakura amps are tied up with Crown speakers here in the Philippines, the Sakura amps are locally assembled in their Cebu plant.
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: Schrodinger's cat on Aug 17, 2009 at 12:04 PM
recheck mo yung price bro :) baka medyo namalikmata ka lang or nagmali ng pandinig or nagkamali yung tindera hehe. Tinanong ko yan dati, pati sa suppliers :)

Para ngang hindi ganun yung price nung sakura tube amp. I remember looking at the box, it said '200 watts PMPO'. Tapos when I looked at the rear panel, misspelled yung 'Sakura', ang nakasulat eh 'Sakua'. So baka Sakura imitation ito (if there are those). Di na ko bumili eh. I also forgot what store that was.
Title: Re: SAKURA AMP
Post by: makulet on Aug 20, 2009 at 12:25 AM
sayang pala yung SAKURA tube amp, as my father said ang mga tube amps daw habang tumatagal mas lalo daw nagiging clear ang tunog, nakarinig na rin ako ng mga tube amp hindi lang ako interesado noon,, but sa my DIY amps hindi umubra nang sadyain namin yung tube amps, in park square makati, meron din mga sakura amp, gusto nga rin sana bumili ng father ko ng sakura amp pero hindi na natuloy nabalitaan kasi nya na madaling masira kaya good for indoor or HT lang ang sakura nun, hindi ko lang alam ngayon...
Title: Re: Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: textmailbox on Aug 20, 2009 at 09:25 AM
recheck mo yung price bro :) baka medyo namalikmata ka lang or nagmali ng pandinig or nagkamali yung tindera hehe. Tinanong ko yan dati, pati sa suppliers :)

Pambihira di talaga ako basta magkakamali, nakausap ko ulit kahapon.

Iyon talaga ang price niya. he,he,he...

Pwede nyo puntahan sa tabi ng UNO Sports, paglagpas lang ng unang intersection, kanan siya.
Title: Re: SAKURA AMP
Post by: jepoi on Aug 26, 2009 at 09:21 AM
Quote
Na-try ko din ang Sakura 502K /snip

magkano na 'to ngayon sa Raon?
Title: Re: SAKURA AMP
Post by: jepoi on Sep 18, 2009 at 01:04 PM
Elow, Guys.

Nag set-up ako ng KSS-10 speaker para sa Sakura 502K. Guess what? Maganda ang tunog, kahit hi-fi lang okay na okay ang kantahan. May extra bass power na rin naman ang Sakura 502K, kahit wala pa akong subwoofer ayos lang.

Take note: Karamihan sa mga videoke machine ngayon sa Raon Sakura 502K na ang ginagamit. Ayaw na ng mga customer magpalagay ng 502A marami daw kaseng peke lalo sa Raon. 

:D :D :D
how much kuha n'yo sir sa 502k and KSS 10?  pares na yung speakers diba?
Title: Re: SAKURA AMP
Post by: textmailbox on Sep 18, 2009 at 01:26 PM


KSS-10 5.2k pair
Sakura 502K 3.2

Cash payment, pero credit card +8% ang ibinayad ko.

Actually, ginamit ko lang syang pang-vocals ang gamit ko sa midi-dvd ay JVC System 3000w pmpo.

Ganado ang wife & kids ko sa pagkanta, solved sila.  :D

Title: Re: SAKURA AMP
Post by: textmailbox on Sep 18, 2009 at 01:33 PM

Pinag-isipan at pinakinggan kong mabuti kung kailangan ko pa ng subwoofer. Di na pala talaga kailangan, okay naman bumayo ang 502K at KSS-10.

Siguro kaysa subwoofer ang bilhin ko, dagdagan ko pa ng KSS-10 para sa 50-100 person audience.


Title: Re: SAKURA AMP
Post by: jepoi on Sep 18, 2009 at 01:46 PM
ok kaya s'ya (the amp and speakers) for movies, sir?

pang kwarto lang naman eh.  i'm more after clarity (highs, mids and lows) than loudness.
Title: Re: SAKURA AMP
Post by: textmailbox on Sep 18, 2009 at 02:55 PM


AFAIK this KSS-10 @500wpmpo are really loudspeakers. For a small room I think it is more than enough. Much better if you can audition them all before bringing home what you really need.

Honestly, each one of us trusts our ears and wallet more than anything else for a setup. I saw someone before who bought Pioneer receiver, KSS-10 as front speakers and Jamos on center, rears and subs.

He told me that he could use the KSS-10 in a karaoke amp for sing-along.

502K and KSS-10 are good for karaoke and home audio setup.  ;)

Title: Re: SAKURA AMP
Post by: textmailbox on Sep 18, 2009 at 03:03 PM

PS.

I liked the KSS-10 very much, compared with Konzert KS-600w, Crown 650w, Dai-ichi 600w & Live 500w karaoke speakers in my audition in Raon. Compact, loud, clear mids, highs and bass.  Hear for yourself this long weekend.

Cheers!

Title: Re: SAKURA AMP
Post by: iiinas on Sep 25, 2009 at 11:05 PM
split the discussion regarding the tube amp of sakura. please continue the thread here:

http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php?topic=102643.0 (http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php?topic=102643.0)
Title: Re: SAKURA AMP
Post by: mumar_kalabaw on Oct 13, 2009 at 01:01 PM
Guys Gandang tanghale

Bago lang ako dito. Gusto ko lang kasi magpatulong. Meron kasi kameng Bose Acoustimass 15 sa bahay di ginagamet. Gamet ko ngayon z2300 sa pc . Eh gusto ko sana gamitin yung bose sa pc (may optical at coaxial out yung pc ko) ang problema wala akong amplifier. Eh ala din ako pera hehe so naisep ko sa raon ako makakakita. Sakura ba yung best choice ko> If ever, paturo naman kung anung model ang kailangan bilhin at saan pwede bumili. DI ko kasi alam kung anung specs ng Amplifier ang dapat para sa bose na yun. Eto yung pdf manual niya http://www.bose.co.uk/GB/en/Images/AM15_III_ownersguide_EN_tcm6-8730.pdf (http://www.bose.co.uk/GB/en/Images/AM15_III_ownersguide_EN_tcm6-8730.pdf) yung model nung amin eh yung Acoustimass 15.

Salamat in advance at hope matulungan niyo ako =)
Title: Re: SAKURA AMP
Post by: t68kv on Oct 14, 2009 at 01:08 AM
wala bang mga photos dyan ng setups nyo? hehe maganda kung may solo thread for pics.
Title: Re: SAKURA AMP
Post by: Archie on Oct 22, 2009 at 05:44 AM
bigla lang nag-on ang 387a kahit naka off ang switch. have to unplug it.
Title: Re: SAKURA AMP
Post by: sonofgtg on Nov 07, 2009 at 02:34 AM
mga sir, question lang po for a newbie, just a starter setup, ano po ba mas ok for my PS3 and dvd videoke? yung Sakura 502k or yung sakura av-348 na receiver amplifer?? and yung speakers po ba dapat match yung watts sa amplifer or kahit mas lower? and ano po ba yung brand na cheap but a good speaker? thank you....
Title: Re: SAKURA AMP
Post by: lotus on Dec 17, 2009 at 04:15 AM
bigla lang nag-on ang 387a kahit naka off ang switch. have to unplug it.


this happened to my 387a.. have someone fix it, a electronic technician can check the switch, there is a ceramic capacitor there that shorts the switch.... hehehe I openned up my unit and saw the burned capacitor.... dont try to fix it urself if you are not qualified.."risk of electric shock"..
Title: Re: SAKURA AMP
Post by: lotus on Dec 17, 2009 at 04:33 AM
I have a 387a.. and i have used it for 2 years now for a simple 5.1 setup for movies and karaoke setup. I paired it with promac cantamax... which have 5.1 output for DVD movies..and MIDI... I use konzert speakers for front (floor standing) and center, and diaichi (floor standing) for rear.... and an active ganzklar sub

the performance is good... but I really like the looks and the digital controls... and every control is accessible from the front panel and remote...

I just bought my 2nd sakura..AV-348 this morning..i havent tested it yet, its still in the box... this will not replace the 387a but as another unit for the bedroom.. thinking of another set of konzert speakers for this... and another player with USB.. because i usually burn it first to DVD before i can play it. Again i like the looks of it... hehehehe... i think this unit will be burned-in this chirstmas driving a pair of BORG 15" speakers....

i was thinking earlier to buy the 5024 which is louder but i need the 5.1 capability...
Title: Re: SAKURA AMP
Post by: levilacandula on Dec 23, 2009 at 08:59 PM
hello

just wondering if there's a sakura receiver/amp na may dts decoder and optical input for audio (toslink).  if meron, pa advise naman model number and approx how much would it cost.

i plan to pair it with my wdtv sana...

thanks in advance
Title: Re: SAKURA AMP
Post by: jz11 on Dec 29, 2009 at 10:40 PM
Mga people... not sure if you already saw this... may website na sakura.... www.sakura.com.ph

mas maganda kaya AV389A compared sa AV387A and AV384

Merry Christmas and a Happy New year!
Title: Re: SAKURA AMP
Post by: jz11 on Jan 06, 2010 at 11:40 AM
The sakura amplifier AV 348 amplifier is now being rebranded to "KEN" AV 168....

The seller from Knight Audio from Raon told me that it is also the same as Sakura AV348. The only difference is the brand name. Pero from sakura parin xa. Since ung warranty sticker na nakadikit sakura padin and ung warranty ay sa sakura padin.

P4200 ung bili ko.

Good looking amplifier talga xa. Mukhang mamahalin. We also have an pioneer amplifier. So far maganda nadin quality ng sound ng sakura... The display graphics is simple and good looking enough. Hindi xa jologs at makulay. The amplifier increases the volume moderately when you turn it on. Astig. hehe.... The prologic 1 basically works... but not as good as prologic 2.... kc parang inuulit lang nya ung tunog ng FL/FR sa SL/SR. Dependent xa sa surround speaker mo kung anong frequency ung nilalabas. May Treble/Bass adjustment din naman xa, para ma adjust kung mxdo matining ang tunog. You can make the sound rounder... Sa mga movies di ako mxdo natuwa sa sound quality... kc mejo murky ng konti ang tunog... pero ma.aappreciate naman siguro ng iba kung hindi maarte... kapag music naman, i played jazz....like kim waters, jeff golub, brian culbertson, and dave koz.... it was above average naman :) i was pleased with it....

All in all hindi naman xa basag o matining na nakakasakit ng ulo. Basic amplifier lang xa.... If you have a PC as a source you can improve your sounds more using SRS Sandbox....

Dependent din naman kc yan sa source(kung mataas bitrate, quality and/or galing xa sa original... kung maganda ba ung studio na nagrecord ng song na yun etc.), player(kung may DSP), cables, speakers(types of speakers), matching ng speakers(covered ba lahat ng frequency ng mga speaker outputs mo), placement of speakers....

All in all taking it in consideration, the sakura amplifier is fair to average. The only rant i have with it, is that it has no Digital Coax input,
no Optical input,
the DSP setting doesnt have much difference from the other settings
the surround L/R volume level is not saved when you turn off/standby the unit
the center volume level doesnt save as well
The bass/treble setting hindi din naalala....

so far only 1 day used palang.... maybe i could be wrong sa ibang sinasabi ko... pero eto initial impression ko....

Ill get back if meron pang update.

 
Title: Re: SAKURA AMP
Post by: markcrenz on Jan 06, 2010 at 12:26 PM
sir jz11 meron ba remote yan? other sakura receivers with remote?
Title: Re: SAKURA AMP
Post by: jz11 on Jan 07, 2010 at 10:53 AM
Re: Yep may remote control xa :) ang model number nya is AV168

Ive tried the AC3 5.1 kagabi... ok xa :) kapag may output ng 5.1 ung DVD disc mo (mine was michael bubble concert original copy). U can set the audio from 2 channel to 5.1 channel, in your dvd player.
Then ilalabas nya sa 5.1 channel output RCA to your receivers AC3 5.1 input. Totoong 5.1 xa. Kunwari, ung boses boses nasa center, ung instruments like guitar, piano ay nasa FL/FR and ung hand drums nasa SL/SR. Paminsan pag may pinalong hand drum lumalabas sa isang channel sa likod. To make you feel as if nanggaling ung tunog sa banda likod kaliwa or kanan. :)

Yung remote nya looks like a remontrol control from a china DVD player. Pero it is good enough.

You can control treble, bass, SL volume, SR volume, Center volume, balance of FL/FR, master volume, go to a certain input, either dvd(stereo input 1), ac3(5.1 input), vcd/cd(stereo input 2), tuner (digital FM/AM radio  may kasamang antenna pala ung ampli by the way at malinaw ung reception, auto tune search xa)... you can turn on prologic and turn it off, dsp presets (live, concert, matrix, off etc),

Pero complaints ko lang for this very very basic amplifier is that di nya maalala ung setting ng timpla ng volume sa SL/SR and center....
Title: Re: SAKURA AMP
Post by: buhakee on Jan 07, 2010 at 01:40 PM
chief may idea kayo kung magkano ung sakura av-386?

http://www.sakura.com.ph/products/1/AV-386.htm

thanks!
Title: Re: SAKURA AMP
Post by: ATJr. on Jan 07, 2010 at 01:59 PM
nice review sir, congratulations.....myself is eying their AV-3022....bang for the buck amps i would say... ;D


Re: Yep may remote control xa :) ang model number nya is AV168

Ive tried the AC3 5.1 kagabi... ok xa :) kapag may output ng 5.1 ung DVD disc mo (mine was michael bubble concert original copy). U can set the audio from 2 channel to 5.1 channel, in your dvd player.
Then ilalabas nya sa 5.1 channel output RCA to your receivers AC3 5.1 input. Totoong 5.1 xa. Kunwari, ung boses boses nasa center, ung instruments like guitar, piano ay nasa FL/FR and ung hand drums nasa SL/SR. Paminsan pag may pinalong hand drum lumalabas sa isang channel sa likod. To make you feel as if nanggaling ung tunog sa banda likod kaliwa or kanan. :)

Yung remote nya looks like a remontrol control from a china DVD player. Pero it is good enough.

You can control treble, bass, SL volume, SR volume, Center volume, balance of FL/FR, master volume, go to a certain input, either dvd(stereo input 1), ac3(5.1 input), vcd/cd(stereo input 2), tuner (digital FM/AM radio  may kasamang antenna pala ung ampli by the way at malinaw ung reception, auto tune search xa)... you can turn on prologic and turn it off, dsp presets (live, concert, matrix, off etc),

Pero complaints ko lang for this very very basic amplifier is that di nya maalala ung setting ng timpla ng volume sa SL/SR and center....
Title: Re: SAKURA AMP
Post by: jz11 on Jan 07, 2010 at 05:20 PM
Sir tawag po kayo sa knight audio room store sa may raon facing quiapo... sa may raon shopping center.

may signage din shop nila from the inside hallway "audio room".

Unit 5 Raon Shopping Center 747 Raon St. Quiapo Manila

- 736-3881
- 736-3882

Hanapin nyo si Jenn. Ung may ari ng store....


chief may idea kayo kung magkano ung sakura av-386?

http://www.sakura.com.ph/products/1/AV-386.htm

thanks!
Title: Re: SAKURA AMP
Post by: marlboro on Jan 07, 2010 at 09:46 PM
mga sir, may nakita ako kaninang AV389a sa electronic boutique for Php3160. ok na kaya yun price nya or mas mura pa rin sa raon? may review na po ba sa unit na to?
Title: Re: SAKURA AMP
Post by: jz11 on Jan 07, 2010 at 10:37 PM
mga sir, may nakita ako kaninang AV389a sa electronic boutique for Php3160. ok na kaya yun price nya or mas mura pa rin sa raon? may review na po ba sa unit na to?

mura na yan ah... pagkaalam ko ung AV389a sells cheaper sa knight audio around P3k if im not mistaken... pero kung ayaw mo mahassle dyan ka nalang. Tawag ka nalang sa pinost kong number para di ka na pumunta.

yang model na yan walang remote....
Title: Re: SAKURA AMP
Post by: jerix on Jan 08, 2010 at 05:29 AM
AV387 ko default nya FM radio at ang lakas. Is there a way to fix this?
Title: Re: SAKURA AMP
Post by: marlboro on Jan 08, 2010 at 08:17 AM
ay walang remote? madali lang ba i control mga functions kahit walang remote ang av389?
Title: Re: SAKURA AMP
Post by: jz11 on Jan 09, 2010 at 10:14 AM
Basic lang naman ung Sakura amplifier eh... u can check it out sa screen ng amplifier itself.... madali lang yan.


Pero kapag di naalala ng ampli ung settings (like volume level ng SL/SR)... hassle yun...

mejo weird ung Sakura AV 348 (also known now as "KEN AV 168").... ive tried to test kung naalala nya ung center, SL, & SR volume level.... it always starts na equal level ung volume nila across. Eh xmpre depende sa room.
Title: Re: SAKURA AMP
Post by: textmailbox on Jan 13, 2010 at 05:28 PM
Whew. Tagal ko na pala di nakaka-update dito.

Kumbinsido na ako sa 502K ko with EQ & Konzert KSS-10 speakers. Solve na ako sa kantahan at movies.

Title: Re: SAKURA AMP
Post by: egzbuen on Jan 19, 2010 at 09:03 PM
That was a lot of back read. I am also a Sakura owners, the 387a. Bought it a few years back and it is still working. Now, intend to purchase another budget amp for my dad. He will be pairing it with two (2) tower speakers (hopefully I can nothing above 5k).

He will use it for music playing and movies. He intends to complete the 5.1 set-up soon but he will be contended for now with two (2) towers.

1. What amp should I get him?
2. Sakura or Konzert?
3. Speaker suggestions?

Thanks
Title: Re: SAKURA AMP
Post by: Dark_Jacob on Jan 31, 2010 at 02:53 PM


I just bought my 2nd sakura..AV-348 this morning..i havent tested it yet, its still in the box... this will not replace the 387a but as another unit for the bedroom.. thinking of another set of konzert speakers for this... and another player with USB.. because i usually burn it first to DVD before i can play it. Again i like the looks of it... hehehehe... i think this unit will be burned-in this chirstmas driving a pair of BORG 15" speakers....

i was thinking earlier to buy the 5024 which is louder but i need the 5.1 capability...

musta ang av-348 mo sir lotus? ok ba ang break in? :) I'm planning of getting one myself. Eye candy nga compared to other budget amps to. Ganda. :)
Title: Re: SAKURA AMP
Post by: nutkrakr on Feb 17, 2010 at 08:23 PM
bagay kaya sakura av735 para sa bose 601 series 3 for karaoke? ???
Title: Re: SAKURA AMP
Post by: jerix on Feb 18, 2010 at 11:55 AM
Hey bros-- ask ko lang, ano bang ang default setup sakura nyo? yung 387 ko kasi ang default nyun ay FM kaya pag-on at medyo yung volume ay naka gitna mabibigla ka na lang. Meron bang solution ito? TY  >:(
Title: Re: SAKURA AMP
Post by: markcrenz on Feb 18, 2010 at 12:32 PM
Hey bros-- ask ko lang, ano bang ang default setup sakura nyo? yung 387 ko kasi ang default nyun ay FM kaya pag-on at medyo yung volume ay naka gitna mabibigla ka na lang. Meron bang solution ito? TY  >:(
i don't have an exact answer, but it would help to make a habit of turning down the volume to minimum before turning any amp/receiver off. bawas din to sa current surge during power-up.
Title: Re: SAKURA AMP
Post by: ATJr. on Feb 18, 2010 at 12:36 PM
and your speakers wil be glad you did..... ;D
Title: Re: SAKURA AMP
Post by: jerix on Feb 19, 2010 at 10:49 AM
i don't have an exact answer, but it would help to make a habit of turning down the volume to minimum before turning any amp/receiver off. bawas din to sa current surge during power-up.

Yup I am aware of this bro but not always. :-\ Yun nga lang, Sakura should have designed this amp to be on standby mode first once it is turned on rather than going directly to FM Radio.  ::)
Title: Re: SAKURA AMP
Post by: jed_z1030 on Feb 19, 2010 at 11:08 AM
my sakura av-389a also have the tuner dafault feature when turning it on but I always see to it that volume is turned down to zero upon turning it off just what sir markcrenz says....
Title: Re: SAKURA AMP
Post by: SETSUT on Feb 27, 2010 at 05:09 PM
my sakura av-389a also have the tuner dafault feature when turning it on but I always see to it that volume is turned down to zero upon turning it off just what sir markcrenz says....

Bossing magkano mo nabili av-389a mo? Kumusta naman ang performance nya?
Title: Re: SAKURA AMP
Post by: jed_z1030 on Feb 28, 2010 at 07:01 PM
Bossing magkano mo nabili av-389a mo? Kumusta naman ang performance nya?

Di ko lang tanda sir, pero less than 3.5K sa may Audioroom sa Raon. It's my first venture sa HT hobby, you have to pair it with a good front for its modest potential, so far solve narin ako di naman kse pwede maingay dito samin  ;D
Title: Re: SAKURA AMP
Post by: jerix on Mar 01, 2010 at 07:13 AM
I dont know with other amps but this sakura is the amp that you no longer need to use a sub. lakas ang bass nya.  ;D
Title: Re: SAKURA AMP
Post by: SETSUT on Mar 01, 2010 at 10:12 PM
Di ko lang tanda sir, pero less than 3.5K sa may Audioroom sa Raon. It's my first venture sa HT hobby, you have to pair it with a good front for its modest potential, so far solve narin ako di naman kse pwede maingay dito samin  ;D
Ganun ba? Pinagpipilian ko rin kasi kung Konzert na 502a o sakura na yan. Pang videoke ko kasi sya gagamitin tsaka sa music din. Ano recommend mo speaker para dyan? Thanks. :)
Title: Re: SAKURA AMP
Post by: jed_z1030 on Mar 03, 2010 at 01:39 PM
Ganun ba? Pinagpipilian ko rin kasi kung Konzert na 502a o sakura na yan. Pang videoke ko kasi sya gagamitin tsaka sa music din. Ano recommend mo speaker para dyan? Thanks. :)

ay  :o sensya na brader di po tayo guru pagdating dyan, newbie lang din po ako....
Title: Re: SAKURA AMP
Post by: SETSUT on Mar 03, 2010 at 03:41 PM
ay  :o sensya na brader di po tayo guru pagdating dyan, newbie lang din po ako....
Ganun po ba? Anyway thanks sa feedback. Coz plan to buy a receiver this year. Im eyeing on Onkyo 307.. ;D
Title: Re: SAKURA AMP
Post by: jed_z1030 on Mar 04, 2010 at 10:40 AM
Ganun po ba? Anyway thanks sa feedback. Coz plan to buy a receiver this year. Im eyeing on Onkyo 307.. ;D

ay "Onkyo 307" much better po...
Title: Re: SAKURA AMP
Post by: whizkidd on Apr 04, 2010 at 04:28 AM
Tanong lang sa mga meron sakura. Bago lang ako dito. :) Pls guide me.

Meron ako rear and front speaker from component. 150watts per speaker. Balak ko gamitin rear/center speaker. Kaya bato ng sakura? kasi front lang malakas sa sakura tapos rear/center around 40watts lang per channel parang sobra layo baka di clear ang tunog.

Meron ako old Sony stereo amp + speaker.. Sa tingin ko maganda tunog. Pwede kaya gamitin ko to front ang sony tapos sakura for center and rear? Ano advise nyo na setup? Thanks sa gusto tumulong.
Title: Re:Quality of Sakura amps
Post by: reynan on Apr 23, 2010 at 07:23 AM
pare!sakura or konzert is parehas lang ang pyesa nyan,puro TOSHIBA,I believe nga sa konzert 502,kaya nya ang apat na 15"crown model by 500watts each subwoofer.
Title: Re: SAKURA AMP
Post by: reynan on Apr 23, 2010 at 08:35 AM
Ang nakakatawa lang dyan sa SAKURA eh my FM Radio eh,yung kasama ko bumili ng SAKURA model 733 Ang hirap e timpla lalo na pag nagvideoke kami,pangit pa ang tunog?di katulad sa KONZERT 502,andun na ang timpla sa videoke nya?clear pa ang sounds nya indi  maingay<me 4 pieces crown speaker 15" 500watts ang kinabit ko,hayyyyyyyyyyyy,super dumadagungdong jud bay!!!!!!!!!!!nahiya na nga ako sa kapit bahay ko,lahat ng nag asemble samin na mga speaker sakin humingi ng payo at sakin magpaset up!mas maganda nga may dividing crossover yung mga speaker mo,so clear sounds,yun lang masasabi,ingat sa pagbili ng KONZERT MODEL,marami peke!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 :o
Title: Re: SAKURA AMP
Post by: vectormaniac on Jun 08, 2010 at 11:49 PM
guys pls help me naman, i am trying to decide which amplifier should i choose, mainly i will use it for loud music playing and watching movies, and occasional videoke sessions, yung plan ko kasi is to buy  2 pairs of konzert kss10 500w speakers and sub, ano ba yung the best sakura amp that would fit my needs? preferrably yung kayangmagoutput ng dts, dd and prologic via 5.1 input given that my player has a decoder, tsaka yung tipong hindi magclip pag malakas na yung volume..

i am choosing among these models
sakura av-502k = konzert av-502a (same lang daw)
sakura av-5023
sakura av-5024 (maybe i should get this one because of higher output wattage? do you have idea kung magkano to, owners pls comment po)
mostly i'm just looking in their karaoke amplifiers or should i also look into their home theater offerings?


Title: Re: SAKURA AMP
Post by: jlester87 on Jul 05, 2010 at 12:30 AM
toroidal ba ang transformer nitong sakura av-502k?
Title: Re: SAKURA AMP
Post by: whizkidd on Jul 09, 2010 at 07:52 PM
Guys sino po may sakura av-386? Meron ba nakakaalam sa specs nito? 180W+180W ang nakalagay. Not sure kung ilan sa surround and center. Kaya ba 70watts speaker patunugin nito?
Title: Re: SAKURA AMP
Post by: textmailbox on Aug 13, 2010 at 01:48 PM
toroidal ba ang transformer nitong sakura av-502k?

Yes, i got one Sakura 502K (w/ Torroidal Transformer).

Match better with KSS-10 500w Karaoke Speakers

Title: Re: SAKURA AMP
Post by: praktikal on Sep 02, 2010 at 05:41 PM
amigos, may nakagamit na ba sa inyo nitong AV-732 (srp @ 3,880)?

http://www.sakura.com.ph/products/3/AV-732.htm

(http://i55.tinypic.com/25i6owi.jpg)

Category: Karaoke Stereo Mixing Amplifier

Description: Music, Mic Volume Independently control with built-in equalizer and 4 mic input

Specifications:
2 x 300 watts output
2 Channel
Built-in Left and Right Equalizer
Music, Mic Volume Independently Control
Digital Echo Delay & Repeat Control
Kinds of Output: Rec Out, Line Out
4 Microphone Input
Built-in 4" Fan

ok nga ba ang Crown speakers?

ano kayang speakers babagay dito, pangbahay lang pero mas ok na ang plastic para pwede na rin outdoor sakaling may activity.
Title: Re: SAKURA AMP
Post by: praktikal on Sep 04, 2010 at 07:42 AM
up  ;)
Title: Re: SAKURA AMP
Post by: MrYoso on Sep 04, 2010 at 11:32 PM
to all,

when you say "audition it first before taking it home"
what does this mean?..  am a newbie here ang relly dont know much




TIA
Title: Re: SAKURA AMP
Post by: Nelson de Leon on Sep 04, 2010 at 11:54 PM
to all,

when you say "audition it first before taking it home"
what does this mean?..  am a newbie here ang relly dont know much

TIA

listen to the gear, equipment etc before you buy/acqquire it.

Audition - Listen, try it out.

Why? paano kung hindi mo magustuhan ang sound niya? Would you still buy it?
Title: Re: SAKURA AMP
Post by: MrYoso on Sep 05, 2010 at 06:43 AM
Thanks sir nelson..


Btw, am planning to buy a videoke machine w/in dis month..

small-medium size lng gusto ko since for rental ang purpose nito.

player: TJ-10 o kaya bmb 10/20

amp:  Sakura/konzert 502.  (dilemma ako dito kasi diko alam kung anu mas maganda) am not after the am/fm   tuner na built in..  pero maganda daw ang sakura. pero may nabasa ako kasi na ngasabi na mahirap timplahin yun sakura compared sa konzert..

speakers: dai ichi  o konzert. wala ako masahdo alam sa speakers..  konzert lng ang alam ko kasi eto gamit ko sa haus..

ilang wattage ba ng speakers ang ideal dito sir?..  may nagsabi kasi na 2pcs. 15" woofer or 4 pcs. 12" woofer ang kasya lang sa small-medium size.. ok lng nmn yun sakin kasi may 2 X 250 watts konzert boxed subs ako dito sa bahay. ewan ko lng kung midrange o dome tweeters yun kasama nya... plan ko palagyan nlng ng jack na pede pagsaksakan nitong 2 boxes in case na bitin yun lakas nya..



pafeed nmn po pls....

TIA ulet

Title: Re: SAKURA AMP
Post by: praktikal on Sep 05, 2010 at 06:49 AM
Audition?

kagaya din yan sa singing contest na kailangan mong pumasa sa audition. kapag ok ka pasado ka pag sablay sa taste ng judges, sorry ka. ganun din sa gears, pagsablay sa taste mo bakit mo bibilhin?  ;)
Title: Re: SAKURA AMP
Post by: MrYoso on Sep 05, 2010 at 09:02 AM
binuksan ko pla yun speaker box ko dito sa bahay.. eto yun laman\\

(http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs423.snc4/46617_1603528253036_1381005909_1672733_6576355_n.jpg)


dalawa terminal nun subs.  para san yun isa?..
hindi ba sya imba kasi wala sya midrange? tweeter lng pla tong kasama nya...


Title: Re: SAKURA AMP
Post by: Nelson de Leon on Sep 05, 2010 at 10:03 AM
Thanks sir nelson..


Btw, am planning to buy a videoke machine w/in dis month..

small-medium size lng gusto ko since for rental ang purpose nito.

player: TJ-10 o kaya bmb 10/20

amp:  Sakura/konzert 502.  (dilemma ako dito kasi diko alam kung anu mas maganda) am not after the am/fm   tuner na built in..  pero maganda daw ang sakura. pero may nabasa ako kasi na ngasabi na mahirap timplahin yun sakura compared sa konzert..

speakers: dai ichi  o konzert. wala ako masahdo alam sa speakers..  konzert lng ang alam ko kasi eto gamit ko sa haus..

ilang wattage ba ng speakers ang ideal dito sir?..  may nagsabi kasi na 2pcs. 15" woofer or 4 pcs. 12" woofer ang kasya lang sa small-medium size.. ok lng nmn yun sakin kasi may 2 X 250 watts konzert boxed subs ako dito sa bahay. ewan ko lng kung midrange o dome tweeters yun kasama nya... plan ko palagyan nlng ng jack na pede pagsaksakan nitong 2 boxes in case na bitin yun lakas nya..

pafeed nmn po pls....

TIA ulet


may topic sa karaoke systems sa ibang thread. Pero if you are referring to this tube sakura amp, i think baka mahirapan yun amp. Kailangan kasi match yun amp and speakers. Kailangan din, maganda tumunog.  ;)
Title: Re: SAKURA AMP
Post by: jefferson on Sep 05, 2010 at 10:26 PM
amigos, may nakagamit na ba sa inyo nitong AV-732 (srp @ 3,880)?

http://www.sakura.com.ph/products/3/AV-732.htm

(http://i55.tinypic.com/25i6owi.jpg)

Category: Karaoke Stereo Mixing Amplifier


parang gusto ko nito ah... san meron kaya?
Title: Re: SAKURA AMP
Post by: Nelson de Leon on Sep 05, 2010 at 10:35 PM
binuksan ko pla yun speaker box ko dito sa bahay.. eto yun laman\\
(http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs423.snc4/46617_1603528253036_1381005909_1672733_6576355_n.jpg)
dalawa terminal nun subs.  para san yun isa?..
hindi ba sya imba kasi wala sya midrange? tweeter lng pla tong kasama nya...

Dual voice coil yun sub woofer kaya 2pairs yun terminals.

parang gusto ko nito ah... san meron kaya?

Sa raon ata baka meron.
Title: Re: SAKURA AMP
Post by: MrYoso on Sep 06, 2010 at 03:27 AM
Quote
Dual voice coil yun sub woofer kaya 2pairs yun terminals.


sir, yun nba mag aact as midrange nya?..


nabasa ko na yun karaoke thread sir.. mas relevant pa dito kesa dun..
di nmn po ako magtatanong bout sa midi player..  yun amp tsaka speakers lng po itatanong ko sir.
diako marung mag mix & match kasi..


TIA
Title: Re: SAKURA AMP
Post by: Nelson de Leon on Sep 06, 2010 at 06:52 AM

sir, yun nba mag aact as midrange nya?..

TIA

Nope. Pwedeng 16 ohms sya and 4 ohms kung dual 8 ohms sya for impedance matching.
Title: Re: SAKURA AMP
Post by: praktikal on Sep 06, 2010 at 09:43 AM
parang gusto ko nito ah... san meron kaya?

raon  ;)
Title: Re: SAKURA AMP
Post by: MrYoso on Sep 06, 2010 at 11:06 AM
Quote
Pwedeng 16 ohms sya and 4 ohms kung dual 8 ohms sya for impedance matching.



sir, kindly enlighten me...
Title: Re: SAKURA AMP
Post by: markcrenz on Sep 06, 2010 at 11:26 AM
dalawa terminal nun subs.  para san yun isa?..
hindi ba sya imba kasi wala sya midrange? tweeter lng pla tong kasama nya...
http://www.crutchfield.com/S-6EQNooYUgQJ/learn/learningcenter/car/subwoofers_dual.html
http://pinq.wordpress.com/2007/05/11/tutorial-dual-voice-coils-dvc/
Title: Re: SAKURA AMP
Post by: MrYoso on Sep 06, 2010 at 12:12 PM
thanks sa link sir..

nkakaintindi nmn ako ng english kaso dumugo parin ilong ko dun.. heheheh

dami kasing jargons eh.. am not that inclined with electronics esp. sounds,
kaya siguro hirap ko magets.. heheheh

parang mas complicated pa kesa PC.  hay...
Title: Re: SAKURA AMP
Post by: markcrenz on Sep 06, 2010 at 03:30 PM
hehe kabit mo na lang uli yung speakers and enjoy the music!
Title: Re: SAKURA AMP
Post by: Nelson de Leon on Sep 06, 2010 at 06:03 PM
Oo nga. Configured na naman ata eh.  ;D
Title: Re: SAKURA AMP
Post by: MrYoso on Sep 06, 2010 at 07:15 PM
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ganyan na dati yun itsura nya sir. pero two channel lng kasi yun amp na gamit ko dati.

panu pag maraming channel na yun gagamitin ko na amp ngyon.

magpapalit ba ako ng wirin?..
baka mas maganda outcome ng sounds
Title: Re: SAKURA AMP
Post by: Nelson de Leon on Sep 06, 2010 at 07:37 PM
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ganyan na dati yun itsura nya sir. pero two channel lng kasi yun amp na gamit ko dati.

panu pag maraming channel na yun gagamitin ko na amp ngyon.

magpapalit ba ako ng wirin?..
baka mas maganda outcome ng sounds


Leave it as it is and enjoy. Very limited lang ang pwede mong gawing upgrade due to its limited performance level. For me, a new enclosure and xover can improve it. Pero hard earned money for tweaking might be better spent for a better gear. Lalo pa na hindi ka pa familiar on how a system works. Best you browse sir this site. For sure, madami kang matututunan. And before buying a new gear, pakinggan mo muna kung gusto mo yun sound niya. Enjoy!

HTH.

hantayin din natin ang mga suggestions ng mga magagaling talaga dito. Very limited lang din ang kaalaman ko.
Title: Re: SAKURA AMP
Post by: MrYoso on Oct 02, 2010 at 09:21 AM
mga boss buhayin ko nlng ulet to..
yoko namn gumawa ng bagong thread..

meron kami di na nagagamit na sharp karaoke..

malaki yun subwoofer nya..
gusto ko gawin nlng tong boombox, kasi meron na ako existing
speakers,, ("8" 250 watts subwoofer, 5" midrange 3" tweeters. pares sila)   powered by AV302 amp..  bitin kasi ako sa bass..
gusto ko tlga yun boombox ang dating kya gagawa ako.. 
(active subs)   plan ko kunin yun nasa loob na nitong karaoke pati narin yun sarili nitong amp to power itself...

tatabasin ko nlng sya para yun sa subwoofer enclosure nlng yun matira..


eto pla pix

(http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs341.ash2/62160_1641804049907_1381005909_1758642_3238682_n.jpg)


pa guide nlng po ..
noob kasi eh...


TIA
Title: Re: SAKURA AMP
Post by: Nelson de Leon on Oct 02, 2010 at 10:37 AM
You would need an active or passive xover to limit the frequencies na papasok sa driver mo.
Title: Re: SAKURA AMP
Post by: MrYoso on Oct 12, 2010 at 11:50 AM
dati ko ng alam kung ano ang crossover.

ampfffffff..  hanap ako ng hanap kung anu ibig sabihin nh xover..
ampfnes ulet..  parang ang slow ko dun.. ahehehe

parang crossfire = Xfire pla..
hehehehe
Title: Re: SAKURA AMP
Post by: Nelson de Leon on Oct 12, 2010 at 04:43 PM
dati ko ng alam kung ano ang crossover.

ampfffffff..  hanap ako ng hanap kung anu ibig sabihin nh xover..
ampfnes ulet..  parang ang slow ko dun.. ahehehe

parang crossfire = Xfire pla..
hehehehe

Ayan na naman ang ampfff! Haha! Pang tru blu natin yan ah.  ;D
Title: Re: SAKURA AMP
Post by: markcrenz on Oct 13, 2010 at 09:25 AM
dati ko ng alam kung ano ang crossover.

ampfffffff..  hanap ako ng hanap kung anu ibig sabihin nh xover..
ampfnes ulet..  parang ang slow ko dun.. ahehehe

parang crossfire = Xfire pla..
hehehehe
malapit na xmas!  ;D
Title: Re: SAKURA AMP
Post by: MrYoso on Oct 14, 2010 at 07:20 AM
Quote
malapit na xmas!


honga eh.. fotanes tlga.. hehehehe

tagal ko nagets tlga kung anu yun xover na yun..

crossover lng nmn pla..



mga abbreviations nmn ksi eh..


buti nabasa ko yun crossfire=xfire..
kung hindi, malamang sa xmas ko pa marealize kung anu yun..

ahahahha  natatawa prin tlga ako sa sarili ko
Title: Re: SAKURA AMP
Post by: Nelson de Leon on Oct 14, 2010 at 08:32 AM

honga eh.. fotanes tlga.. hehehehe

tagal ko nagets tlga kung anu yun xover na yun..

crossover lng nmn pla..



mga abbreviations nmn ksi eh..


buti nabasa ko yun crossfire=xfire..
kung hindi, malamang sa xmas ko pa marealize kung anu yun..

ahahahha  natatawa prin tlga ako sa sarili ko

Parang mga MAF sensor etc sa MMPH. Nalito din ako dati.

I think 2 ata ang preout ng Sakura.
Title: Re: SAKURA AMP
Post by: extreme teban on Nov 02, 2010 at 08:20 PM
magkano kaya ang SAKURA AV-735?
may gumamit na ba sa inyo nito?

Planning to use it to 2 X 10" 300W Konzert Sub Woofer Dual Coil and 2 X 300W Dai-chi Horn Tweeter per channel. Bale lalabas 4 X 10" 300W and 4 X horn type 300W.

Ano sa tingin nyo kakayanin kaya?
Title: Re: SAKURA AMP
Post by: Ngayon on Dec 15, 2010 at 07:28 AM
Just posting a shout. Hope somebody out there hears.

We are having a problem with Sakura AV-735 just bought about more than a month ago.  Along with it we bought a TS-15 speakers and a mixer (i forgot the details of the mixer) .  The speakers are working fine.

My friend used this in their church and according to him, bigla na lang daw walang lumalabas na sound.  Pag tinu-turn on yung amp, gumagana naman daw yung fan.  I asked him to try using the mic inputs directly in the amplifier to confirm if the problem was indeed with the amp, then sabi nya ayaw daw talaga.   I asked him if they might have changed any settings but sabi nya hindi. 

Any tips from you guys or any experiences you may have ran into the same issue at kung ano resolution. Kung wala, ipapabiyahe ko yung amp from the province pa just to have it checked sa raon because of the warranty. 

All opinions are greatly appreciated. Thanks and God Bless



Title: Re: SAKURA AMP
Post by: Nelson de Leon on Dec 15, 2010 at 08:02 AM
Just posting a shout. Hope somebody out there hears.

We are having a problem with Sakura AV-735 just bought about more than a month ago.  Along with it we bought a TS-15 speakers and a mixer (i forgot the details of the mixer) .  The speakers are working fine.

My friend used this in their church and according to him, bigla na lang daw walang lumalabas na sound.  Pag tinu-turn on yung amp, gumagana naman daw yung fan.  I asked him to try using the mic inputs directly in the amplifier to confirm if the problem was indeed with the amp, then sabi nya ayaw daw talaga.   I asked him if they might have changed any settings but sabi nya hindi. 

Any tips from you guys or any experiences you may have ran into the same issue at kung ano resolution. Kung wala, ipapabiyahe ko yung amp from the province pa just to have it checked sa raon because of the warranty. 

All opinions are greatly appreciated. Thanks and God Bless


Di kaya overheat or overdriven?
Title: Re: SAKURA AMP
Post by: Ngayon on Dec 15, 2010 at 10:46 AM
@sir Nelson, overheat, di siguro, the place is cold.  Overridden, 2microphones lang po gamit plus maybe 1 guitar.
Title: Re: SAKURA AMP
Post by: Nelson de Leon on Dec 15, 2010 at 05:57 PM
@sir Nelson, overheat, di siguro, the place is cold.  Overridden, 2microphones lang po gamit plus maybe 1 guitar.

Sir, maski na air conditioned ang place, kung overdriven (sagad / todo ) ang gain, and used sa speaker na hindi matched, pwede pa din mag overheat.
Title: Re: SAKURA AMP
Post by: Ngayon on Dec 20, 2010 at 06:41 AM
I think it was a defective amp. 2 mics lang gamit via a mixer and guaranteed hindi tinotodo.  anyway,  binalik namin sa raon and bought a poweramp instead just to establish the confidence of the users.  buti na lang na-offset namin fully yung amount. 

thanks sir and God Bless
Title: Re: SAKURA AMP
Post by: rondell03 on Dec 22, 2010 at 06:53 AM
Hi mga boss, newbie here.  Just bought a new sakura av343 amp.  Meron po siyang option to use ac3 inputs, how do i go about using that?  pede po ba gamitan ng y-splitter from the tv to the amp?  would it function correctly po ba or is this just useless?

Thanks!
Title: Re: SAKURA AMP
Post by: rustyns on Dec 23, 2010 at 08:52 PM
Mga sir,

Meron po bang karaoke amp ang sakura na merong pre-out/amp-in?

Thanks
Title: Re: SAKURA AMP
Post by: yer2010 on Jan 10, 2011 at 12:27 PM
bagay kaya sakura av735 para sa bose 601 series 3 for karaoke? ???

Nutrakr, meron ka ng AV-735?  magkano bili mo at saan ka nakabili?  May digital out ba yan?

Tnx.
Title: Re: SAKURA AMP
Post by: rustyns on Jan 18, 2011 at 01:54 PM
Mga sir,

Meron po bang karaoke amp ang sakura na merong pre-out/amp-in?

Thanks

went to raon last weekend, yung av737 wala pero yung av735 and av739 meron
Title: Re: SAKURA AMP
Post by: stockHT on Jan 20, 2011 at 04:53 AM
Nutrakr, meron ka ng AV-735?  magkano bili mo at saan ka nakabili?  May digital out ba yan?

Tnx.


+1

pwede ba isalpak optical? coming from NMT (xtreamer) tuloy sa sakura av5024? lalabas kaya ang true surround o dts 5.1?
Title: Re: SAKURA AMP
Post by: mikelsohgud on Jan 31, 2011 at 09:09 PM
gudpm sa inyo..

tanong lng ako sa mga nka experience na ng AV-737,
anu masasabi nyu d2..??

at sa mga nkagamit ng AV-730..
share naman..

FYI: speakers ko pla (2pcs t7t 15" 1000watts)(2pcs 12" targa 400watts)

kac planning ako bibili, pinipilian ko yung AV-730 at AV-737...

advice naman poh..
thank u mga bozing...
Title: Re: SAKURA AMP
Post by: julspy on Mar 15, 2012 at 03:58 PM
Good day po mga master. Newbie po ako sa Audio set up. nka bili po ako Sakura 5023US 500W at 1pair Daichi Speaker 550W. ok nman po ang tunog,ganda ng bass.kaso masxado ako nalalakasan kasi 3clicks plang sa volume nya mlakas na agad, di nkapag 1/4 turn. Tama po ba ang set up na yan or dapat ako mag palit ng AMP na 302? ap help po mga master
Title: Re: SAKURA AMP
Post by: mojako on Dec 30, 2012 at 12:19 AM
any feedback sa amp na to?

Saw this in elec boutique

(http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk8/mojako8/FD83E06D-ED71-41A8-ADCB-8C8C6BA03112-866-0000006A36C7DB63.jpg)
Title: Re: SAKURA AMP
Post by: israelb on Jan 13, 2013 at 10:09 PM
Good day all,

After reading through all the 33 pages of this thread somehow i got lost along the way. Id like to post a question similar to the first post in this thread.

Ive got a busted old HTIB (Philips DVD home theater system LX3700D (http://www.p4c.philips.com/cgi-bin/dcbint/cpindex.pl?slg=en&scy=ph&ctn=LX3700D/21R)) but the speakers are still working.

Below is the specs of the speakers and the busted DVD Player:

AMPLIFIER SECTION
Output power
Stereo mode (DIN): 2 x 50 W
Surround mode (1 kHz): 50 RMS / channel
Total Harmonic Distortion: 10% at rated power ( kHz)
Frequency Response: 180 Hz - 14 kHz / ±1 dB
Signal-to-Noise Ratio: > 65dB (CCIR)
Input Sensitivity: 400 mV


Front Speakers
System: 2-way shielded
Impedance: 8 Ω
Speaker drivers: 2 x 2” woofer, 1.75” tw
Dimensions (w x h x d): 88 mm x 293 mm x 88 mm
Weight: 0.61 kg


Center Speaker
System: 2-way shielded
Impedance: 8 Ω
Speaker drivers: 2 x 2” woofer, 1.75” tw
Dimensions (w x h x d): 280mm x 79 mm x 72 mm
Weight: 0.733 kg


Surround Speakers
System: 2-way shielded
Impedance: 8 Ω
Speaker drivers: 2 x 2” woofer, 1.75” tw
Dimensions (w x h x d): 72 mm x 283 mm x 72 mm
Weight: 0.61 kg


SUBWOOFER
Subwoofer (not magnetically shielded design): 6.5”
Input power: 50W (8 Ω, DIN)
Dimensions (w x h x d): 140 mm x 328 mm x 376 mm
Weight: 5.016 kg

Would anyone know what amplifiers or receiver i can use to connect this to. Hopefully something cheap. Im planning to use this with a WD TV Live.

I have already scouted AV-325 (150 Watts) and a AV-326 (130 Watts) both with 5 channels and priced below P1600 each. would this do? I was also wondering if the 327 or 387 can ba paired with these speakers.


Thanks in advanced! :)
Title: Re: SAKURA AMP
Post by: hitman531ph on Jan 14, 2013 at 05:32 PM
I visited the Sakura showroom sometime late November.

I recall that the 5-channel amps/receivers of Sakura 325 and 326 are 5.0 not 5.1.  It's not Dolby Pro Logic either.  The subwoofer will have no place to connect to.

Only the 389A is 5.1 and it's not Pro-Logic also.  But the showroom salesman said the 389A (400 watts) is out of production already.  Besides, the 389A demo unit in the showroom has a rough tuning knob for the tuner section.  The salesman added that was one of its weak points. 

Title: Re: SAKURA AMP
Post by: israelb on Jan 17, 2013 at 08:35 AM
Thanks sir hitman531ph. :)
Good thing you pointed out na 5.0 lang ang 325 and 326. And the 389 pala is 400 watts. :(
Hays... Hirap maghanap ng amp for this HTIB speakers... Minsan napapa-isip ako if better if i buy a new HTIB. :(

Title: Re: SAKURA AMP
Post by: eagle72 on Jan 29, 2013 at 03:06 PM
Newbie po tanong ko lang po kung ok itong SAKURA AV-3023US pang bahay lang gamit karaoke at sounds lang. Or yon Xenon Amp.... Maganda ba itong tumunog? Any suggestion po...Salamat!
Title: Re: SAKURA AMP
Post by: hitman531ph on Feb 04, 2013 at 07:28 AM
The best thing to do is to listen for yourself which amp you like better.  It's a lot better if you bring a headphone to plug in so you get an idea of how the amp works and sounds like even without the speakers.  If you make the decision which amp you like, then pair it with speakers for the said purpose.
Title: Re: SAKURA AMP
Post by: zinchan on Aug 16, 2013 at 04:50 PM
mga master anung mga model ba ang my subout?plan ko ksi mag 2.1 using pilyo amp.thanks ng marami
Title: Re: SAKURA AMP
Post by: lonto08 on Oct 26, 2013 at 02:52 PM
mga master anung mga model ba ang my subout?plan ko ksi mag 2.1 using pilyo amp.thanks ng marami

5.1 Channel SAKURA Amp.

550w x 2 SAKURA AV-5023
550w x 2 SAKURA AV-5023US
600w x 2 SAKURA AV-5024
550w x 2 SAKURA AV-502K
400w x 2 SAKURA AV-389A

Title: Re: SAKURA AMP
Post by: lonto08 on Oct 26, 2013 at 06:46 PM
I visited the Sakura showroom sometime late November.

I recall that the 5-channel amps/receivers of Sakura 325 and 326 are 5.0 not 5.1.  It's not Dolby Pro Logic either.  The subwoofer will have no place to connect to.

Only the 389A is 5.1 and it's not Pro-Logic also.  But the showroom salesman said the 389A (400 watts) is out of production already.  Besides, the 389A demo unit in the showroom has a rough tuning knob for the tuner section.  The salesman added that was one of its weak points.

Hi hitman531ph,

AV-389A is not OUT OF PRODUCTION.
Title: Re: SAKURA AMP
Post by: sansui on Dec 16, 2013 at 01:02 PM
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Title: Re: SAKURA AMP
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Title: Re: SAKURA AMP
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Title: Re: SAKURA AMP
Post by: sansui on Dec 16, 2013 at 01:22 PM
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Title: Re: SAKURA AMP
Post by: sansui on Dec 16, 2013 at 01:25 PM
Success on the 3rd try. Around 4 or 5 years ago, I posted about these Sakura beauties.
Title: Re: SAKURA AMP
Post by: jon2 on Dec 16, 2013 at 07:08 PM
sir
Success on the 3rd try. Around 4 or 5 years ago, I posted about these Sakura beauties.
sir, what model ng sakura yan?
Title: Re: SAKURA AMP
Post by: sansui on Dec 16, 2013 at 07:28 PM
Sakura preamp AK-008 and 6 channel power amp AP-009.  Rare.
Title: Re: SAKURA AMP AV-732
Post by: renz1234 on Dec 29, 2013 at 02:53 AM
MERON PO AKONG SAKURA av-732 na pinagawa pinabili po akong ic un walong paa pero nawala ko po ang ginawa po ng technicians pinalitan po ng jrc 4558d hindi raw pwede anu ang tamang number ng ic sana matulongan nyo ako para gumana na un equalizer maraming salamt po!
Title: Re: SAKURA AMP
Post by: JDCruzer on Oct 05, 2015 at 08:59 AM
Just saw this thread.

AA now has a modified Sakura amp with Voca cube speaker package.

http://www.anthony-audio.com/2015/09/amplifiers.html (http://www.anthony-audio.com/2015/09/amplifiers.html)
Title: Re: SAKURA AMP
Post by: tony on Oct 05, 2015 at 09:03 AM
MERON PO AKONG SAKURA av-732 na pinagawa pinabili po akong ic un walong paa pero nawala ko po ang ginawa po ng technicians pinalitan po ng jrc 4558d hindi raw pwede anu ang tamang number ng ic sana matulongan nyo ako para gumana na un equalizer maraming salamt po!

dual 8pin mini dips, that is the correct part....
but of course NE5532 is a notch better, and the OPA4562 or the OPA2132 is also yummy...
Title: Re: SAKURA AMP
Post by: comet on Nov 05, 2021 at 06:26 PM
Sorry I have to resurrect this topic.  I’m planning to connect 4 outdoor speakers to  one amplifier.  I noticed that these amplifiers have speaker A and B. Can I do this to a Sakura/Konzert amplifier? Thanks for the  input guys.