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DVD Forum => General DVD Discussion => FAQs => Topic started by: DViant on Feb 20, 2002 at 12:37 PM

Title: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: DViant on Feb 20, 2002 at 12:37 PM
Just when you thought that DVD-RWs are good enough they had to develop something newer (again). At least they're ALL backing this one unlike the DVD-whatever mess we're struggling right now.

(http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1825000/images/_1829241_blu_300.jpg)

Blu-ray Disc technology uses blue-violet lasers as opposed to the standard red to achieve a mind-boggling 27GB worth of optical storage space. They're even aiming at stretching it to 30GB for single layer and 50GB for a double layer. This translates to 13hrs worth of MPEG2-quality video as opposed to DVD's 2hrs and 13min limit.

This'll be a boon for people working with uncompressed video.

The dirty tech bits can be found here
http://www.matsucrapa.co.jp/corp/news/official.data/data.dir/en020219-4/en020219-4.html (http://www.matsucrapa.co.jp/corp/news/official.data/data.dir/en020219-4/en020219-4.html)

Layman's explanation can be found here
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/entertainment/new_media/newsid_1829000/1829241.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/entertainment/new_media/newsid_1829000/1829241.stm)

*Note: Due to the forum's PC (Political Correctness) you have to type in the first URL manually. Copy and paste it onto your address field of your browser and substitute * for "i".
Title: Re: DVD Killer: Blu-ray Disc
Post by: quasar on Feb 21, 2002 at 08:51 PM
Here's another article (from TechTV) that reported the agreement on the blue-laser standard that was reached by major electronics manufacturers including Pioneer, Sony and Philips.

http://www.techtv.com/news/computing/story/0,24195,3372689,00.html (http://www.techtv.com/news/computing/story/0,24195,3372689,00.html)

Hopefully, blu-ray DVD players will be backward compatible to red laser DVDs.
Title: Re: DVD Killer: Blu-ray Disc
Post by: espace on Feb 21, 2002 at 08:58 PM
Hi Dviant!

Thanks for the news and links. They even chose a fortuitous date to announce it - 20.02.2002 or 02/20/2002, a date we won't see again.

This I guess marks the beginning of the end of DVD as we know it, too bad, our current players will not ??? be compatible with this new technology. :'(

With this announcement, we may also begin to see DVD prices going down as manufacturers gear up to take advantage of this format in the next few years and try to get rid of their "to become obsolete" DVD's. ;D
Title: Re: DVD Killer: Blu-ray Disc
Post by: JT on Feb 23, 2002 at 11:47 AM
I don't think it will really make DVD obsolete since it will be using the same format MPEG2.  Besides, the current DVD9 disc dual layers capacity are sufficient to hold enough data of a movie.  And another thing is that there's DVD18 which is a 4 layered DVD disc if more capacity is required.







Title: Re: DVD Killer: Blu-ray Disc
Post by: robertj on Feb 24, 2002 at 02:10 AM
of course it won't make dvd obsolete. pero with its greater disc capacity, it can hold an entire movie in HDTV quality compared to what we get now from dvd.
Title: Re: DVD Killer: Blu-ray Disc
Post by: Jude on Feb 24, 2002 at 02:49 AM
Maybe this format will go the way of S-VHS or DAT, be popular among the pros, but beyond the reach of the consumer market. Besides, DVD has established too much of a foothold to be that easily shaken off.
Title: Re: DVD Killer: Blu-ray Disc
Post by: xage on Feb 24, 2002 at 02:59 AM
For me I think it is only over hype for now... I think it would fade away.
Title: Re: DVD Killer: Blu-ray Disc
Post by: Dracula on Feb 24, 2002 at 04:50 AM
With this new technology will we be seeing DVD movie compilations of trilogies on one disk?  Imagine the whole starwars saga on a single disk COOL! :o
Title: Re: DVD Killer: Blu-ray Disc
Post by: barrid on Feb 24, 2002 at 04:49 PM
Can't help but think, What would be the feeling of having a scratched blu-ray disc with your favorite movies in it. ::)
Title: Re: DVD Killer: Blu-ray Disc
Post by: espace on Feb 24, 2002 at 06:57 PM

The developers must have thought of it too, that's probably why the Blu-ray disc comes in a cartridge. :)
Title: Re: DVD Killer: Blu-ray Disc
Post by: barrid on Feb 24, 2002 at 08:57 PM
I thought they put it in cartridge for recording and playback stability. :)
Title: Re: DVD Killer: Blu-ray Disc
Post by: espace on Feb 25, 2002 at 12:26 AM
Cut and paste from the Matsushi-ta article (See Dviant's Topic Post for link)

"Blu-ray Disc" Key Characteristics
...
3) Easy to use disc cartridge:
 
An easy to use optical disc cartridge protects the optical disc's recording and playback phase from dust and fingerprints.
...


 :)
Title: Re: DVD Killer: Blu-ray Disc
Post by: Battousai on Feb 26, 2002 at 06:39 PM
Demmit!
Kabago-bago pa lang ng DVD sa kin, meron na namang i-introduce na blue-ray chu-chu!!!
Aaarrrggghhh!!!
Ibalik nyo na lang ang Beta at Laser discs!!!
On a serious note, this blue ray thingie will just about start the real life trend for games( consoles or PC ) that everyone was dreaming of.
Ooohhh. Virtual Jenna Jameson!!!
Title: Re: DVD Killer: Blu-ray Disc
Post by: xage on Feb 26, 2002 at 11:01 PM
So, this measn Pinoydvd.com would now be pinoyblueray.com (Pangit)!! :'(
Title: Re: DVD Killer: Blu-ray Disc
Post by: espace on Mar 03, 2002 at 12:45 AM
Here's an excerpt from a Video Business Online article (http://www.videobusiness.com/news/030102_bluray_prospects.asp)<=click for full article  :)

Green light for Blu-ray seems far off

By Daniel Frankel

MARCH 1 | The agreement announced last month by nine electronics companies for a new high-definition DVD standard--the Blu-ray Disc technology (VB, 2-25)--most likely won't be in consumer products any time soon. And it appears improbable that all of the major consumer electronics companies will be on board with the standard.

Matsushi-ta Electric Corp. of America officials admit that "it's hard to predict" when the first Blu-ray disc players and recorders will hit stores. In fact, a spokesman for the member company said the group was only 90% finished with the specifications for the technology, which uses an extremely fine blue-light laser to access data that is miniaturized more than that of conventional DVDs.

...

8)===================== 8)


This to me looks like the home video people have sat up and taken notice of this (not that it caught them sleeping ;)), some may still be asleep and may catch the boat a little later. But in a world of quick communication, it seems unlikely that this is the case. It may be more likely that they are less willing to invest in this dynamic technology when they have hit a relative gold mine with DVD's.

It seems inevitable that the change from DVD red laser to blu-ray will happen and will be embraced by the general consumer who provide the bread and butter profits, the question is when. ???

My fearless shameless :-[ opinion is that blu-ray is bound to happen in the second part of this decade (2005 onwards), simply because movie companies still derive a good return on their DVD investment. Besides, consumers may not be all too willing to take in this new technology immediately. But then, I could be wrong and we could wake up to a world a few months from now where DVD's can be added to the roster of Betamax and Laser Disc. :-[

More of my unsolicited 2 cents... :-X
Title: Re: DVD Killer: Blu-ray Disc
Post by: DViant on Mar 03, 2002 at 11:57 AM
It looks like the DVD Forum's sticking with a modified red-laser-based system for low-bit-rate compression for high-definition DVD (HD-DVD).

Source: http://www.cdr-info.com/Sections/News/Details.asp?RelatedID=2098

Though they assure that each format has it's specific uses I fear that Blu-ray Disc and HD-DVD might be another Betamax vs VHS format war. :(
Title: Re: DVD Killer: Blu-ray Disc
Post by: saling-pusa on Mar 05, 2002 at 03:21 AM
This is good for the economy.. merong development and it means spending which will trigger more employment..
Title: Re: DVD Killer: Blu-ray Disc
Post by: bently on Mar 15, 2002 at 08:57 AM
heres a comparison chart for the next generation of digital video disks :)
(http://www.thedigitalbits.com/articles/miscgfx/hddvdguide.gif)


compliments of EE Times (http://www.eetimes.com/sys/news/OEG20020301S0091)

bently
Title: D-VHS: New Format To Challenge DVD?
Post by: himura on Jan 31, 2002 at 08:42 AM
Hey guys!!! Read this!!!

Got this from:

http://www.videobusiness.com/news/012902_dvhs_studios.asp

but decided to copy/paste the whole thing so that you can read it once.
_________________________


Four studios throw weight behind D-VHS

By Paul Sweeting

JAN. 29 | Fox, Universal, DreamWorks and Artisan will announce on Wednesday the release of the first high-definition movies for the home video market, but it won't be on DVD.

Using an advanced video technology similar to HDTV, the studios are turning back to a format that appeared to be losing favor with consumers: the videocassette.

The four companies will begin bowing an ongoing slate of high-definition movies on VHS in June based on the new Digital-VHS format developed by hardware maker JVC that can also record HDTV signals from TV broadcasts.

Among the first films to get the new treatment will be Independence Day, Die Hard and X-Men from Fox; U-571 from Universal; and the two Terminator movies from Artisan. DreamWorks has not identified its first titles to be released.

Broadcasters have been dragging their feet on HDTV. This move for some of the vertically integrated film studios that have ties to broadcast concerns is aimed at giving a boost to that fledgling market.

At the very least, each believes that the new D-VHS addresses a niche market that it feels will grow in the coming years. It also offers consumers a new machine that also will play their existing library of videocassettes.

"The first titles will be ones that really benefit from high definition," Fox Consumer Products president Patricia Wyatt said. "People who have HDTV sets and home theater systems have invested a lot of money, and I think the new format provides some great content for them to really show off their high-end systems."

The move is already sparking controversy from executives at other studios who worry that the introduction of a new digital home video format just as DVDs are exploding in popularity will produce confusion and hesitation among consumers. That could cause a slowdown in sales of the fastest-selling consumer electronics product ever.

D-VHS offers more than twice the picture resolution of DVD. But disc proponents dismiss any perceived advantages to D-VHS as being short-term and not significant enough to overcome the inherent disadvantages of tape-based formats.

"D-VHS suffers from all the limitations inherited from a tape-based format, such as random access, additional languages, enhanced content, all the things that have made DVD such a popular format for consumers," said Marsha King, executive VP of new business development and business affairs at Warner Home Video.

Recording TV programs will be no easier than with any other VCR, WHV president Warren Lieberfarb said. "[Digital video recorders] such as TiVo have already leap-frogged tape-based time-shifting, so D-VHS is already obsolete even before it arrives."

Warner does not plan to release movies in D-VHS. Neither does Columbia TriStar Home Entertainment.

"As far as we're concerned, D-VHS is not a commercial product," CTHE president Ben Feingold said. "The enormous success of DVD leads us to believe, both intuitively and practically, that there's a strong preference for a disc-based product."

But D-VHS supporters see no conflict between the formats.

"This is really incremental technology, addressing a relatively small niche," Artisan Home Entertainment president Steve Beeks said. "I don't really think it will have any impact on the DVD market."

Others stress that even D-VHS supporters have no interest in undermining the DVD business.

"We love DVD," Wyatt said. "It's the golden goose. This [D-VHS] is directly targeted at the HD household. Those people are the most avid consumers of entertainment, and they'll continue buying DVDs as well as D-VHS."

Although both D-VHS and DVDs store movies digitally, D-VHS can pack far more data onto a standard-size tape than can fit on DVDs. DVDs are capable of better picture quality than standard VHS, but they can't store high-definition images.

High-definition DVD is being worked on, but the technology is five to seven years off, according to studio executives who have been briefed on it. That leaves the field open for D-VHS as the only format capable of recording and playing back high-definition content.

D-VHS actually records at a higher bit-rate than the U.S. HDTV standard, producing even higher quality images than HDTV broadcasts.

"You have consumers today who would love to have a high-definition alternative, and we have nothing to offer them," Universal Studios Home Video president Craig Kornblau said. "High-definition DVD isn't going to be here for several years, but with D-VHS, we can offer those consumers a high-definition alternative."

Still others in Hollywood remain ambivalent toward the new format.

"We have no immediate plans to release any titles in this format," Buena Vista Home Entertainment president Robert Chapek said.

Paramount Home Entertainment executives could not be reached for comment.

The new format is the brainchild of JVC, which developed the original analog VHS format that's now being overtaken by DVD.

The new format uses the same size cassettes and many of the same mechanical features as the original, and the new players are compatible with older VHS cassettes.

The machines have been available in limited numbers from JVC and Mitsubishi for two years, primarily as a home recording format for HDTV broadcast and satellite signals.

Although JVC has been talking to Hollywood about movies to support the format since its introduction, the studios were reluctant to release anything in high-definition until adequate copy-protection encryption could be developed, particularly in the wake of widespread hacking of DVDs.

At the Consumer Electronics Show in Las Vegas this month, JVC bowed its new D-Theater copy-protection system, which it claims is superior to the Content Scrambling System used on DVDs.

"We would only put out HD product if we were absolutely guaranteed that it would be fully copy-protected," Kornblau said. "Frankly, that's why it's taken so long. We had to get comfortable with the copy protection."

How much product the studios will ultimately release remains uncertain.

Wyatt said Fox is open to the idea of issuing new releases in D-VHS simultaneously with DVD and standard VHS but isn't ready to commit to that strategy.

Said DreamWorks head of worldwide video Kelly Avery: "We'll have to see how the market takes off before we decide on a strategy for new releases. For now, we're looking for titles that really play into this format."

Only D-VHS players equipped with the new D-Theater circuitry will be able to play movies in high-definition. Earlier machines, without the system, will play older VHS cassettes but can't decode the encrypted high-definition cassettes.

The market for high-definition movies is likely to be tiny at first. The number of households with HDTV sets in the U.S. stands at about 2 million and is projected to reach 4 million by 2003.

JVC is hoping to sell 100,000 D-VHS players within the first year, according to consumer video division VP Jerry Barbera.

JVC has only one machine on the market, priced at $1,995, but plans to bow at least one more this year.

Barbera said JVC expects that, with the introduction of high-definition movies, other hardware makers will also begin to push the format.



Just my two cents worth...

For know, I think our investments will be safe as very few companies plan to make the move (for now). But it becomes a wait and see situation for all of us right now. So don't think of tossing away those DVDs yet!!!
Title: Re: D-VHS: New Format To Challenge DVD?
Post by: bently on Jan 31, 2002 at 09:56 AM
Hmmmm...interesting...
better video..Great! :D
rewinding and fastforwarding tapes again...Bummer! >:(

i'll pass  8)

bently


Title: Re: D-VHS: New Format To Challenge DVD?
Post by: wcvmorasa on Jan 31, 2002 at 10:57 AM
Tape format again? no thanks..
Title: Re: D-VHS: New Format To Challenge DVD?
Post by: downtown on Jan 31, 2002 at 06:34 PM
Yup,
guys tape again, so who will help once the tape winds into the head and destroys your copy.
also, the once interested in this format are the once who have not fully embraced the dvd technology like Fox, Dreamworks and Universal (who releases many copies of the same film to con us consumers).
Title: Re: D-VHS: New Format To Challenge DVD?
Post by: Jude on Jan 31, 2002 at 06:41 PM
I've read that the D-VHS tapes are going to be priced REALLY high. So the format is definitely not competing with DVD. Looks like this format might go the way of DAT. Or if its unluckier, maybe even DCC (anyone remember this format? I know where you can still buy a player for it!).
Title: Re: D-VHS: New Format To Challenge DVD?
Post by: [email protected] on Jan 31, 2002 at 08:48 PM
hmmm ???.. interesting...

do we we have to deal with another fungi problem growing inside this tape format (again) ???

but who knows...?
Title: Re: D-VHS: New Format To Challenge DVD?
Post by: bently on Jan 31, 2002 at 10:48 PM
okay...at the count of 3, everyone take one step backward :D

bently
Title: Re: D-VHS: New Format To Challenge DVD?
Post by: nerveblocker on Feb 01, 2002 at 03:37 PM
D-VHS?  It'll get nothing from me.  I think JVC is trying to produce another format so as to be the pioneer of it coz in the DVD or HT hardware, they didn't top sales.  I guess they didn't really make good money out of it.  Being the first in the new format with the first to have the hardware, they would expect people to buy everything from them to hopefully boost their sales.  Again, it is a marketing ploy.

Regarding piracy,  there will come a time that this format will also be pirated.  Its just like Yin and Yang...there must always be an equalizer.  Everybody thought DVD won't be copied/pirated but what can those people say now?  Money spent on making a new format would be equalled with money to spend for piracy.  It's just an event that goes over and over again.

DVD is here to stay... ;D

NIRVBLAKR 8)
Title: Re: D-VHS: New Format To Challenge DVD?
Post by: himura on Feb 01, 2002 at 08:21 PM
Update guys!!!

check this out!!!

http://digitalbits.com/#mytwocents

and

http://www.jvc.com/featured_product.jsp?modelId=MODL026758

As far as the guy who worte this is concerned, this format won't replace DVD. And I don't think I'll be a fan of this format as it has no extras/special features whatsoever. And it was exactly the special features and stuff like that, that got me hooked on DVDs. If you ask me, it's like trying to take a step back... just my 2 cents worth. Besides, you need an HDTV and the D-VHS player unit itself costs an incredible $1995!!!  :o
Title: Re: D-VHS: New Format To Challenge DVD?
Post by: bently on Feb 02, 2002 at 11:26 AM
thanks himura_drew...
digital bits gives a very detailed review of this new product...

i know this will not replace the dvd format..but what caught my attention is its ability to record high definition broadcast.

i doubt if the philippines is going to adopt HDTV, but here in the states, all tv stations are required to adopt to hdtv by 2005. and the current vcr that we all have right now, is not compatible with high def. broadcast, and will not be able to record it...

so this is where d-vhs market comes in...its ability to record high definition broadcast...

but i'll wait...i'm sure dvd-r or hd-dvd will also come out with their version for recording high definition broadcast

bently
Title: Re: D-VHS: New Format To Challenge DVD?
Post by: barrid on Feb 03, 2002 at 05:00 PM
I'm an open minded person. ??? And I will surely try this [re] format if:
 It has interactive menu.
 It has chapter index
 It can jump scene in less than 5 sec.
 I don't have to rewind to watch it again.
 the tape can fit on my dvd amaray case.
 They will release Voltes V and Godzilla series.

Would you like to add some more? ;D ;D ;D
 
Title: Re: D-VHS: New Format To Challenge DVD?
Post by: Mo®pHeOu$ on Feb 05, 2002 at 06:06 AM
;D ;D  Barrid,

short to say. AYAW ko!!  ;D ;D
Title: Re: D-VHS: New Format To Challenge DVD?
Post by: lazy_maze on Feb 05, 2002 at 06:20 AM
TAPE:

Prone to moulding
Prone to breaking (once it gets stuck in the mechanism)
Prone to quick wear (because it goes along rollers, spindles, even the head that reads the tape)
Prone to warping, creasing




Title: Re: D-VHS: New Format To Challenge DVD?
Post by: vacuumtubes on Mar 09, 2002 at 02:31 AM
for your information.

(http://www.jvc-victor.co.jp/english/products/vcr/D-VHS-e-spec.gif)
Title: Re: D-VHS: New Format To Challenge DVD?
Post by: bently on Mar 09, 2002 at 02:52 AM
i really feel that the Philippines has nothing to worry about this technology.

as it has been stated, d-vhs doesn't intend to replace the dvd format.
the purpose of this device if for high definition TV Subscribers to record their high definition t.v. shows on tape, since the existing vhs format is not able to do so.
i have seen this device already and it is very similar to our existing vhs player/recorders. the only difference is that it needs a firewire connection to the TV set and  a high definition receiver box to get the signals.

bently
Title: Is the DVD format here to stay? DVD vs. Blu-ray and D-VHS
Post by: Sputnik on Apr 23, 2001 at 03:52 PM
I've been wondering...would the dvd format last just like vhs? Now that SACD and dvd-audio is introduced does that mean that we have to upgrade our trusty and ever reliable dvd players?
Title: Re: Is the DVD format here to stay?
Post by: Phobos on Apr 23, 2001 at 06:05 PM
I'd like to think so. I've been hearing a lot of new formats being proposed (dv-vhs, hd-dvd, etc.) but so far they haven't taken off. But who knows what will happen in the future? There wil alwaybs be technological advancements that will always be better than what we have right now. Still, it all depends on whether people will support it or not.
Title: Re: Is the DVD format here to stay?
Post by: Komikero on Apr 23, 2001 at 07:22 PM
I think DVD will be here for a while. Unlike laser discs, DVD has pretty much gone mainstream and it will take a while before it gets knocked off its perch. If any new technologies come out in the next few years, I'm pretty sure that they will give provisions to play our DVDs today. I mean, I'm still seeing new players that can play DVDs, as well as laser discs.
Title: Re: Is the DVD format here to stay?
Post by: firewired on Apr 23, 2001 at 10:32 PM
Quote

But who knows what will happen in the future? There will alway be be technological advancements that will always be better than what we have right now.

So true. I read a magazine article late last year that talked about a breakthrough by some French scientists that allows 150 Gigabytes of storage on a standard-sized disc. That's 30 DVDs right there!
Title: Re: Is the DVD format here to stay?
Post by: bently on Apr 24, 2001 at 11:24 PM

Quote


So true. I read a magazine article late last year that talked about a breakthrough by some French scientists that allows 150 Gigabytes of storage on a standard-sized disc. That's 30 DVDs right there!



just as history have shown....newer formats shall a rise ,

i remember my dad's 8mm film projector, (my  1st experience with home theater), then came the beta,the vhs, the laserdisk and now the dvd.

but the nice thing about the dvd is how quickly the public has embraced this new format....



Title: Re: Is the DVD format here to stay?
Post by: MultipleAngles on Apr 25, 2001 at 09:49 AM
Technology will play an important role in DVDs longevity. If there wasn't any recordable variation of DVD, then it'd just be following in the footsteps of LD. Thankfully, such variants are appearing in the market.

Another important factor will be marketing . For those of you who don't know, Betamax was a superior product than VHS in many aspects, especially quality. The problem was that VHS was marketed to be better than Beta. To customers, VHS's larger size meant more storage: Bigger is better. This wasn't true, but Beta never did anything marketing-wise to fix it. And despite being better, it faded into the obscure artifact that it is.

What does this mean for DVD? Simply that DVD has to keep on marketing itself as the format in order to stay alive. It did a great job in the beginning, using PR, ads, and connections to make it a household name that it is, as Komikero mentioned earlier.

For a more direct answer: DVD better stay put for a long time, otherwise I'm just wasting my money on them. :-X :'(
Title: Re: Is the DVD format here to stay?
Post by: Phobos on Apr 25, 2001 at 07:18 PM
I'm confident that although there is no assurance that the DVD format will be with us forever, it will still be a while before people will find a better format that they will embrace as much as they did the DVD.

I mean think about it, with the amount of money people invested in DVDs, it would take a really really really really REALLY good reason to make them forget about DVDs in exchange for something else.

Title: Re: Is the DVD format here to stay?
Post by: benny on Oct 18, 2001 at 01:14 AM
You might interested in this Chicago Tribune story:

DVD rising
(http://www.chicagotribune.com/features/arts/chi-0110140028oct14.story?coll=chi%2Dl
eisurearts%2Dhed)

"With a growth rate 10 times faster than that of VHS, the format is poised to rule the home-entertainment world."  
Title: Re: Is the DVD format here to stay?
Post by: vacuumtubes on Feb 22, 2002 at 08:08 PM
Malamang mapalitan ang present dvd format, sa dami ba naman ng mga pirated ngayon eh.
And para makapag-market ulit ng ibang format/products ang mga manufacturers kasi halos lahat na yata ngayon ay may FAKE na katapat. ;)
Title: Re: Is the DVD format here to stay?
Post by: xage on Feb 22, 2002 at 09:04 PM
Near extinction if the growth rate of piracy keeps on increasing
Title: Re: Is the DVD format here to stay?
Post by: Alfie on Feb 22, 2002 at 09:10 PM
Quote
Malamang mapalitan ang present dvd format, sa dami ba naman ng mga pirated ngayon eh.
And para makapag-market ulit ng ibang format/products ang mga manufacturers kasi halos lahat na yata ngayon ay may FAKE na katapat.


Quote
---------Near extinction if the growth rate of piracy keeps on increasing
 




Nope remember the saying;
Nothing is so powerful than an Idea that arrived in Time ;)
Title: Re: Is the DVD format here to stay?
Post by: espace on Feb 22, 2002 at 10:38 PM
Don't mean to be a doomsayer here :-[, but:20.02.2002 marked the beginning of the end of DVD's as discussed in DVD Killer: Blu-ray Disc (http://www.pinoydvd.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.cgi?board=dvddiscussion&action=display&num=1014143827). :(

Of course, this beginning of the end will take a few more years. Taking from previous HT experience - Celluloid (35MM, 16 MM, 8MM), Magnetic Tape (2" Umatic, 1" Beta, VHS), Optical Red Laser ??? (LD's, VCD's DVD's), almost all "innovations" seem to have a one decade cycle. So given that, we may see the end of DVD in a few years time.

The good news is that as the new technology Blu-ray Disc (http://www.pinoydvd.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.cgi?board=dvddiscussion&action=display&num=1014143827) encroaches into the market, DVD prices may "gracefully" dive to rock bottom. ;D

Another indicator is the rampant increase of pirated titles available for DVD and the more blatant "marketing" of these pirated products.

So given that, DVD is not here to stay. :'(
Title: Re: Is the DVD format here to stay?
Post by: xage on Feb 22, 2002 at 10:58 PM
So if this happen.. Pinoydvd.com wud be pinoyblueray.com ;D
Title: Re: Is the DVD format here to stay?
Post by: espace on Feb 22, 2002 at 11:32 PM
That's a good one xage! Quick too! ;D

LOL! ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Is the DVD format here to stay?
Post by: vacuumtubes on Feb 23, 2002 at 12:09 AM
kahit ano pang format ang dumating at pumalit, PinoyDVD still and always will.

kasi baka sa sobrang dami ng format at pabago-bago ay maging "Pinoy.com" or PinoyDisc.com na lang tayo. hehehe! ;D

PinoyDVD will Always be PinoyDVD!!! 8)
Title: Re: Is the DVD format here to stay?
Post by: espace on Feb 23, 2002 at 12:26 AM
Tama ka ulit diyan Vax, the name PinoyDVD has a nice irreplaceable ring to it!

Even if the technology will change as it will eventually do, this forum will still be known by the same name.

Incidentally, by what name will Blu-ray be known? Blu-ray doesn't seem to have as nice a ring as DVD!

(pasensya na, naghahabol kasi ng "Collector" status, thus the repeated postings, this is #199) ;)
Title: Re: Is the DVD format here to stay?
Post by: Dog from OuTeR Space on Feb 23, 2002 at 04:20 AM
although I do think that Blu-ray disc will definitely replace DVD as the king of storage... I'm just wondrin how much would one cost... also, with a storage equivalent of 30 dvds, what will they do with that much storage space ???  I'm not that familiar with the compression stuff in discs... just curious what's the totally uncompressed file size of let's say a 2-hour movie?


Kiluminati2 8)
Title: Re: Is the DVD format here to stay?
Post by: espace on Feb 23, 2002 at 06:22 AM
Two phrases may work to our advantage here:

Economies of Scale: As the number of units produced increases, the cost per unit comes down. This may or may not get passed on to the end consumer.

Introductory Pricing: To introduce a new technology or innovation to the market, manufacturers take a profit cut to just barely break even, as what happened to DVD in the early days. When the consumer bites and the product takes off, they have a few hey-day years to make better (obscene) profits. They eventually adjust prices based on supply and demand. Simultaneously, they are enjoying economies of scale in their manufacturing costs.

To answer your question, movie studios already have a sense of the arbitrary pricing to make for their product. People may find prices beyond what we are currently paying too steep even for a new technology. Of course, market innovators may buy this new tech at the higher prices just to be the first kid on the block to have them, but that's a different thing altogether.

So, my guess is that the prices for movies on whatever format may remain the same. Good news for us, but think of the capital expense we'll have to make in the form of new players, etc.!

As to your second question on storage space, I'm afraid I'm not too familiar with this and have not yet come across anything about it. Maybe another member of this forum can enlighten us. ???
Title: DVD Killer: Blu-ray Disc
Post by: bently on Jan 12, 2002 at 12:27 PM
HD-DVD Will Not Make Today's DVDs Obsolete

By: Boulet David


Many people talk about the future HD-DVD format with fear that their current growing collection of SD-DVDs (Standard Definition DVDs) will become obsolete. I'd like to put that fear to rest.

Will HD-DVDs look better than the very best SD-DVDs?

I'm sure. But how much may not be as earth shattering as many people might think.

Here's why: most people compare hi-definition video to the DVD image they watch on their 4:3 480-interlaced NTSC television.

It¹s a no-brainer: HD is night-and-day better.

But DVDs aren't NTSC resolution. They're Standard Definition resolution and can actually be midway up the DTV resolution ladder. Component video, 480P, and 16:9 all go a long way to providing significantly better image quality than what comes out of even the best 4:3 NTSC televisions.

When you compare high-definition to DVD's maximum resolution, such as 1080I right next to a 16:9 480-progressive display of the same standard DVD, the high-definition looks better (and more 3-dimensional), but not in a night-and-day "trash your DVD collection" kind of way. 720p and 1080P HDTV would result in a more dramatic improvement over SD-DVD. Naturally videophiles will stand in line to replace their favorite titles on HD-DVD the moment they appear. But they will not be putting their existing collections by the curbside the moment that HD-DVD player arrives.

This is partly due to another reason. That HD-DVD player, which on the one hand threatens to usher in a whole new library of films, will also produce the best image from your current SD-DVD discs you ever saw. To say that such a player will display your collection in glorious 16:9 480P on your HD display is an understatement. Already some companies (Princeton Graphics, for example) are producing DVD players that not only provide 480P output, but also scale to 720P and 960P output from today's discs with user-selectable scanning rates. Add to that the ability to upscale 4:3 letterboxed DVD software to 16:9 and your current collection of movies will give the impression of being near hi-definition in quality.

Not to mention that just because a HD-DVD format finally gets introduced won't mean that all of your favorite titles will instantly appear on it! You'll be glad you have the movies you do, but even happier for the discs which have been 16:9 (anamorphically) encoded. You can always sell your SD-DVDs one-by-one to your HD-challenged friend as their HD-DVD replacements become available.

Will HD-DVD make the current 16:9 issue with today's DVDs moot?

Lots of people say why worry about 16:9 anamorphic for today's SD-DVD when HD-DVD will make the whole issue moot. They feel the claim foolish that 16:9 encoding of today's SD-DVDs is some sort of "future proofing" since even a 16:9 SD-DVD won't satisfy the videophile once HD-DVD becomes available. My volley back is that even if a particular videophile does feel that strongly about preferring HD-DVD software, it's important to realize that some studios may never release certain titles on HD-DVD for fear of piracy. In that case, where a particular title never emerges on HD-DVD or takes 10 years to do so, that additional 33% resolution that current 16:9 encoding offers will probably mean even more to you then than it does now. Simply put, 16:9 is one of the most effective ways a DVD mastered today can be made "HDTV-friendly."

The future looks bright, and the promise of HD-DVD and HD-DVD players makes it brighter; even for your collection of existing DVDs.

thats a relief  :D

bently
Title: Re: will HD-DVD make your DVDs Obsolete?
Post by: SiCkBoY on Jan 12, 2002 at 02:37 PM
in english pls  ;D
Title: Re: will HD-DVD make your DVDs Obsolete?
Post by: gonz on Jan 12, 2002 at 03:23 PM
I've never been the type to fear change and progress, but even I am alarmed by how quickly manufacturers are moving to supplant SD-DVD with a new format.

VHS was allowed to rule as the premiere home video format for a good 15-20 tears before being superseded by DVD (LD never truly replaced VHS).

But SD-DVD only hit the market less than five years ago, in 1997.  We haven't even progressed to the point where inexpensive mass-market DVD recorders are available, and already the industry wants to introduce a more technologically advanced format.

I don't know about you guys, but there's no way that I'm going to begin replacing my SD-DVDs as soon as HD-DVDs come out.  I just bought a Sony Wega a couple of months ago; no way am I going to spend another $1500-$2000 for an HDTV until I've gotten sufficient return on my investment in the Wega.

It seems clear to me that this inexorable push toward incrementally better iterations of the DVD format is driven by the whole Western culture of conspicuous consumption and the industry's hope (probably justified) that there are enough people with disposable income (a.k.a. the proverbial "fool and his money") out there who will swallow the hype about HD-DVD.

For me, the basic issue is this (and I've heard Komikero express the same sentiment in another thread):  how much more perfect can video and audio clarity become?  Doesn't there come a point where these incremental improvements in video and audio fidelity are beyond the range of human detection?  Will HD-DVD truly be a compelling, must-have improvement over SD-DVD?

The manufacturers are betting we will believe so.
Title: Re: will HD-DVD make your DVDs Obsolete?
Post by: Kahon on Jan 12, 2002 at 06:21 PM
Higher-resolution formats like S-VHS, enhanced CDs and 20-and 24-bit encoded CDs barely made a dent in the markets of VHS and CDs.  Instead these were used for special purposes for the audio- and videophiles, while the standard resolution formats were still strictly for the mass market.  I would think HD-DVD would have a similar effect.  The two DVD-video resolutions can co-exist and probably even be compatible to a certain degree.
Title: Re: will HD-DVD make your DVDs Obsolete?
Post by: espace on Jan 12, 2002 at 07:27 PM
Like Kahon said, this will affect a specific segment of audiophiles and innovators. At a certain point in time, economies of scale will kick in and this technology too can become more widely available. When? Well, that depends on market acceptance.

As gonz put it, it will take him sometime before he goes into this new tech.

We would all agree and have experienced that technology has been growing at an accelerating rate and technological obsolesence is happening more often nowadays.

This is one of those circumstances. But it seems HD-DVD's developers considered that software acceptance is an important factor in their product's success and have made HD-DVD compatible, even enhancing viewing experience of existing titles. So this may eventually be more welcome into more HT's.

This would affect DVD's pretty much the same may like Kahon posted: CD with SACD, etc. etc. It would affect DVD's pretty much more like the way the AC-3 format affected LD's during LD Dolby Pro-Logic days. If you have the AC-3 equipment, you could take advantage of the technology. Otherwise, it still played fine on your existing hardware and vice versa, your existing library could play fine on the new equipment.

For me this is good news, as I have always held off on new tech and waited for the "dust" to settle. I guess I waited for it too long as can be seen with my HT equipment (still on Pro-Logic). We didn't go with AC-3 as we felt it was a marginal innovation (cost-benefit wise) over Pro-Logic. And I'm glad that I skipped over 5.1 when I got into DVD's as 6.1 and 7.1 are more available nowadays. I even read sometime back that 10.2 might be where we're going.

But really now, it is a matter of personal preference. Take advantage of the technology at the time of purchase, you could get a bargain that may not go obsolete for some time in the process. I've been fairly lucky with my picks and am trusting my judgement when it comes to these things, but should the opportunity come to enhance our HT experience even better, I would welcome it, but only after the proverbial dust settles. ;)
Title: Re: will HD-DVD make your DVDs Obsolete?
Post by: slowhand on Jan 13, 2002 at 06:58 AM
Thanks for the informative, concise article bently. Kinda reassuring too...to a certain extent.

The situatiion will hinge on what extent HDTV can penetrate - not the sets but the broadcasting format. When HDTV broadcasting is the norm, SD-DVD display quality will be lower than what we can view when we watch normal TV. Right now SD-DVD quality is far ahead of most broadcasting quality in the US and Japan (all broadcasting in Phils.) so we're always moving up in quality when we put on a DVD. But when it falls behind normal TV quality, then we'll welcome HD-DVD.

I'm not sure that the difference in quality is small. I've not done a direct A/B comparison, but seen both HDTV broadcasts and DVDs played on progressive scan players and HDTV sets -- and I've always been blown away by how much better HDTV quality is.
Title: DVD Killer? HD-DVD / Blu-Ray Disks
Post by: MultipleAngles on Oct 31, 2001 at 11:41 AM
Matsucrapa unveils High Density DVDs

Got this from Animenation (http://www.animenation.com/). Looks yummy!

Oct 26...

"Matsucrapa unveils High Density DVDs
Japanese electronics giant Matsucrapa has just introduced the latest evolution in DVD technology, a high capacity DVD disc capable of containing 10 times the amount of data that current industry standard DVDs can hold. While the current industry standard DVD can hold about 5 gigabytes of data per side, Matsucrapa's new DVD discs can contain 50 gigs of data per side..."

I say: "Get ready for them Infinite Edition DVDs"
 
Title: Re: Matsucrapa unveils High Density DVDs
Post by: benny on Oct 31, 2001 at 11:57 AM
Also reported at Yahoo: Matsucrapa Elec unveils high capacity DVD (http://biz.yahoo.com/rf/011015/t108642_1.html)   :)
Title: Re: Matsucrapa unveils High Density DVDs
Post by: halo on Oct 31, 2001 at 12:28 PM
I read the article and it said something about using "blue laser technology"

does this mean that our current dvd players will become obsolete soon? Will these high density dvds force us to buy a new kind of dvd player?
:( :( :( :( :(
Title: Re: Matsucrapa unveils High Density DVDs
Post by: barrid on Oct 31, 2001 at 07:32 PM
Hindi ba Blue Laser na ang ginagamit sa mga DVD player sa ngayon?
As of now, negative ang reaction ko towards high density dvds as far as audio and video are concern. Ewan ko lang sa ibang application. But, I'm keeping my mind open.
Title: Re: Matsucrapa unveils High Density DVDs
Post by: gladiator on Nov 01, 2001 at 07:06 AM
IS THIS THE END OF THE DVDDOM???  :o

WE MIGHT BE FORCED TO MIGRATE TO A WHOLE NEW STANDARD ALTOGETHER! IF SO, PANO NAMAN MGA HARDLY COLLECTED & DEEPLY LOVED DVDS NATIN!  :'(

WE'LL BE FORCED TO BE NEW PINOYHDDVD MEMBERS TAYO!  >:(

PERISH THE THOUGHT!  :o :o :o
Title: Re: Matsucrapa unveils High Density DVDs
Post by: wcvmorasa on Nov 01, 2001 at 09:54 AM
must be a new marketing ploy. like the time of the VHS and beta.

come to think of it what else can you put on a DVD disk that can warrant that type of space? ::)
Title: Re: Matsucrapa unveils High Density DVDs
Post by: halo on Nov 01, 2001 at 10:02 AM

Quote

must be a new marketing ploy. like the time of the VHS and beta.

come to think of it what else can you put on a DVD disk that can warrant that type of space? ::)


well, firstly, they could do a "superbit" effect on the movie complete with dolby 5.1, ex, DTS, etc. with a lot of space left over for commentaries, complete subtitles, close captions, probably even some dvd quality images of previews and trailers of other movies.

and that's just on disc 1. On the 2nd, they could put, at least, 10 times the number of features (or 6 times for dvd-quality sound and images on outakes, deleted scenes, etc.)

They could probably introduce new features we've never even heard of which are not viable now due to limited space.

If these new high density dvds are compatible with existing dvd players, no doubt about it, they will be a GREAT boon for us but if not.....
Title: Re: Matsucrapa unveils High Density DVDs
Post by: RickS on Nov 01, 2001 at 10:06 AM

Quote

must be a new marketing ploy. like the time of the VHS and beta.

come to think of it what else can you put on a DVD disk that can warrant that type of space? ::)

A whole season of a tv series, uncompressed video, audio and subtitles of 35 languages (watch The Matrix in Swahili), all of the biographies of the whole cast including the extras, etc. Like money, you can never have enough space.
Title: Re: Matsucrapa unveils High Density DVDs
Post by: halo on Nov 02, 2001 at 07:22 AM

Quote

must be a new marketing ploy. like the time of the VHS and beta.

come to think of it what else can you put on a DVD disk that can warrant that type of space? ::)


the whole 600 hours worth of footage of the making of star wars episode 1 ;D
Title: Re: Matsucrapa unveils High Density DVDs
Post by: wcvmorasa on Nov 02, 2001 at 07:57 AM
hmmmm... how about an audio track where in all the songs in the movie can be played, much like a CD. like for the movies "Romy and Michelle's High School Reunion" and "The Wedding singer"... COMPLETE WITH VIDEOS...

What else? hmmm..
Title: Re:DVD Killer: Blu-ray Disc
Post by: espace on Mar 31, 2002 at 11:06 PM
Here's an interest bit from:   (http://www.thedigitalbits.com/officialfaq.html#6.5)
The Official DVD FAQ
by Jim Taylor
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[6.5] What's new with DVD technology?

In February 2002, a group of 9 companies announced a new high-density recordable DVD standard, known as Blu-ray. At the DVD Forum general meeting in March, the Forum announced that it will investigate next-generation standards to choose the best one. Since the 9 companies are all members of the DVD Forum, it's likely that Blu-ray will eventually be approved by the Forum.

Also at the March meeting the Forum announced that according to AOL Time Warner's request it will work on a standard for putting high-definition video on existing DVDs. A 2-hour movie can fit on a DVD-9 at data rates of 6 to 7 Mbps. Given advances in video compression technology, it should be possible to get high-definition quality of at least 720p24 at these data rates (720 lines of progressive video at 24 frames/second). MPEG-2 and MPEG-4 are the likely candidates.

There are some important details and ramifications of these announcements:
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Looks like we'll have at least 2 more years before worrying about DVD obsolesence. By the same token, the studios will have about 2 more years of "making hay while the sun shines" - meaning that DVD prices may remain the same and "super, et al" versions of more popular titles may still pop out of the wood work for the next few years.
Title: Re: DVD Killer: Blu-ray Disc
Post by: xage on Apr 09, 2002 at 11:09 AM

Demmit!
Kabago-bago pa lang ng DVD sa kin, meron na namang i-introduce na blue-ray chu-chu!!!
Aaarrrggghhh!!!
Ibalik nyo na lang ang Beta at Laser discs!!!
On a serious note, this blue ray thingie will just about start the real life trend for games( consoles or PC ) that everyone was dreaming of.
Ooohhh. Virtual Jenna Jameson!!!


BTW battousai, she is not he best selling Virtual Disc by Digital Playground it is Tera Patrick . Kaya ako, Ooohhh Vitual tera Patrick!!!
Title: Re:D-VHS: 1081i partner of the DVD format
Post by: Rak-Rak on Apr 16, 2002 at 02:17 PM
JVC is already selling the D-VHS player JVC HM DH30000U (D Theater) it takes advantage of the 1081i resolution of HDTV ready Widescreen TVs.  Since our current Dvd disc has a resolution of only 480 the HDTV ready tvs has to line double hem to take advantave of the higher resolution available.

I would like to see this set up, Widescreen Review issue  59 reviewed 2 D-VHS features, they are U-571 and Motley Crue Lewd, Crued & Tattood Live.( sorry I don't have a link to this)
Title: Re: D-VHS: New Format To Challenge DVD?
Post by: Rak-Rak on May 09, 2002 at 12:22 AM

i have seen this device already and it is very similar to our existing vhs player/recorders. the only difference is that it needs a firewire connection to the TV set and  a high definition receiver box to get the signals.

bently



bently, since you have seen this device, care to comment about the picture quality?
Title: Re:D-VHS: New Format To Challenge DVD?
Post by: seth on May 23, 2002 at 02:43 PM
D-VHS is a tape format so its bulky thats is why they invented DVDs much more compact and easy to carry and you play in your computer. Tape format have lots of disadvanteges than dics format.
Title: Re:D-VHS: New Format To Challenge DVD?
Post by: Rak-Rak on May 25, 2002 at 01:28 PM

D-VHS is a tape format so its bulky thats is why they invented DVDs much more compact and easy to carry and you play in your computer. Tape format have lots of disadvanteges than dics format.


Seth,
Yes it's bulky but It is the only format currently availble for true HD experience.  With the trouble over the HD dvd format, d-vhs is available for us now.
Title: Re:D-VHS: Terminator 2 the Worst Transfer
Post by: Rak-Rak on Jun 17, 2002 at 11:19 AM
Posted by Frank J Manrique on Today 10:14 AM:

[Thumbs up] T-2 On D-Theater HD: Is It Really All That's Cracked Up To Be???...

Attempting to obtain a JVC 3000 HD-VHS tape machine and software proved to be an odyssey of sorts, but a friend finally managed to hunt down a unit locally (at The Good Guys in Riverside). We paid a bit more than what a lot of you folks paid yours, but the T-2 tape was included in the deal, so at least we had ONE title to check out (no freebies were included in the box; only a redemption coupon for couple of rock concerts taped in HD).

This worked out just fine as T-2 is supposed to be the worst transfer among the currently available titles, and since we had some odd reels of T-2 on 35mm on hand (could not swing the 70mm odd reels for last night's session, rats!), we immediately set out to run direct comparisons between the three available formats: DVD (Special Edition), D-Theater, and theatrical 35mm.

The equipment we used was the now ubiquitous Hitachi 5500 LCoS display device (still needs to be professionally calibrated, but manages to provide a very compelling PQ nonetheless), a Radeon 7500 video card-equipped HT-PC (used the DVI signal path), the JVC 3000 machine, of course, and a Norelco Todd-AO AA2 35/70mm film projector equipped with Isco primary and scope attachment projection lenses.
Sound was relegated to a background status and in analog stereo (I think; didn?t have a long enough Toslink optical cable for the required digital sound interfacing, so must wait to be assessed at my place at a later date. Btw, I found the lack of a coax digital sound output jack upsetting for a $2K machine should definitely have included one. This was a serious oversight from the part of JVC as far as I am concerned) as the session took place late at night and two small boys and a 6 month-old baby were sleeping upstairs, so needed to keep the racket down to a minimum.

We began by playing the DVD first. Via DVI signal path, the T-2 SE DVD transfer proved to be a revelation; is a great transfer in its own right; it has never looked so good before. Yet its overall image is marred by an over enthused application edge enhancement. Very sharp looking too, but is it really?

Next we popped in the DH tape. Immediately we noticed that color density and contrast dynamics improved considerably over what we just witnessed and, of course, the higher resolution now began to reveal things that were blurred or even hidden by the lower rezed format.
While we noticed artifacts (mosquito noise, blocking, much compression, etc.) occurring with the DVD (one that was transferred from a newer HD master, newer than the one we were given on the D-VHS tape), the HD tape was blissfully devoid of such pesky visible problems.
And tried as we did, we couldn?t really see any edge enhancement screwing up the image with its obnoxious, deleterious effects either. Can you say film-like?

I read with great amusement that some of the Widescreen Review?s recent shindig participants complained that the T-2 HD tape looked soft by comparison to the DVD. Well, guess what. . .it ain?t so! Not by a long shot. . .This is why: low rez video, no matter how good it may appear processed even with mega-buck equipment (perhaps and possibly excepting the Teranex processor), always seems to have a hard-edge look to it. This phenomenon is often confused for, and is passed as sharpness when it reality is an artificial artifact (do away with it and see what soft really means).

The T-2 D-Theater tape picture quality possesses superb coloration density and contrast dynamics, a super-smooth, grain-free attribute that is extreme compelling in addition to magnificent natural sharpness, a sharpness that comes from well focused imaging, thus having much in common with FILM! Is very, very easy on the eyes, far and above from what we all too often visually sample from lower resolution video-processed images.

So in a nut shell, when it comes to electronically-reproduced images, well. . .there just is no substitution for higher resolution! The D-VHS T-2 trounced the DVD quite handily. . .

But how did the D-Theater tape compared to film? Extremely well, actually. . .but am getting ahead of my self. . .

Discounting for a moment the fact that the theatrical print has different color timing than what is produced by the Hitachi LCoS display, which cause coloration to look on the cool side of the spectrum, both share almost identical density and depth; both look very rich while at the same time exhibiting a plethora of different shadings within the same color scheme, easily besting the DVD version in this respect as well.

Incredibly too is the fact that the D-VHS tape also exhibited contrast dynamics that really weren?t too far off from those of film, though in reality being not quite as dynamic in absolute terms. Yet this allows shadow detailing to be easily resolved because of its overall higher resolution, bettering the DVD performance by leaps and bounds in this regard also.
Oh, yes. . .nearly omitted to mention that the reproduction of blacks is far superior to that of the DVD, which should come as no surprise; blacks are reproduced with superb richness of depth; they are simply stunning!

I wish we had the 70mm version available as well because of its yet higher resolution over the 35mm version (up converting to 70mm yields better imaging due to the fact that 70mm is of much larger gauge and is generations closer to the camera negative, whilst 35mm is generations away from it; this does exact a degree of picture quality losses) would have given us better underpinnings as an additional tool with which to judge the HD video tape?s contents.
Even so, T-2?s ultra-smooth, ultra-clean, grain-free HD appearance is quite beautiful to behold (something that E-Cinema fans find so enthralling and appealing at the movies, I reckon), which when directly compared to the 35mm film version makes a powerfully compelling case in almost preferring the former over the latter (am I being a heretic here? Naw, not really; just fair). . .but only if we?re willing to sacrifice the higher degree of resolution that is still in the realm of, and in film?s definite favor

Am happy as a pig on slop because after some 20 years awaiting for its arrival, true HD has finally come home to roost in the form of a format that is now the delivering purveyor of a video signal with higher resolution attributes that are unlike we have experienced before.
And barring all the current politics and paranoia running rampant within the movie studios circles, I welcome the D-Theater format as the next step to take in our quest to enhance the picture quality in our home theaters for the here and now (I?ll just wait for an optical HD format to show up in its own good time).

Yet I see an immediate potential problem: the lack of movie titles becoming available with more frequency and from all studios might cause many HT fans to shy away from a format that promise the delivery of truly exceptionally stunning images (if T-2 is supposed to be the worse transfer among the other titles currently available, then I can?t hardly wait to visually sample even better picture quality!).

To close this little tirade, I?ll just add that this tape format has my full, enthusiastic support. . .

-THTS
Title: Blu-ray Key Characteristics
Post by: saling-pusa on Aug 02, 2002 at 12:53 PM
"Blu-ray Disc" Key Characteristics

1) Large recording capacity up to 27GB:
By adopting a 405nm blue-violet semiconductor laser, with a 0.85NA field lens and a 0.1mm optical transmittance protection disc layer structure, it can record up to 27GB video data on a single sided 12cm phase change disc. It can record over 2 hours of digital high definition video and more than 13 hours of standard TV broadcasting (VHS/standard definition picture quality, 3.8Mbps)


2) High-speed data transfer rate 36Mbps:
It is possible for the Blu-ray Disc to record digital high definition broadcasts or high definition images from a digital video camera while maintaining the original picture quality. In addition, by fully utilizing an optical disc's random accessing functions, it is possible to easily edit video data captured on a video camera or play back pre-recorded video on the disc while simultaneously recording images being broadcast on TV.


3) Easy to use disc cartridge:
An easy to use optical disc cartridge protects the optical disc's recording and playback phase from dust and fingerprints.
Main Specifications
    Recording capacity:                   23.3GB/25GB/27GB
    Laser wavelength:                     405nm (blue-violet laser)
    Lens numerical aperture (NA):         0.85
    Data transfer rate:                   36Mbps
    Disc diameter:                        120mm
    Disc thickness:                       1.2mm (optical transmittance
                                                  protection layer: 0.1mm)
    Recording format:                     Phase change recording
    Tracking format:                      Groove recording
    Tracking pitch:                       0.32um
    Shortest pit length:                  0.160/0.149/0.138um
    Recording phase density:              16.8/18.0/19.5Gbit/inch2
    Video recording format:               MPEG2 video
    Audio recording format:               AC3, MPEG1, Layer2, etc.
    Video and audio multiplexing format:  MPEG2 transport stream
    Cartridge dimension:                  Approximately 129 x 131 x 7mm

Title: Re:DVD Killer: Blu-ray Disc
Post by: Maxster on Aug 02, 2002 at 01:55 PM
The way I understand this format is it's not really against the DVD. The media players for blu-ray disc would be backward compatible to existing formats in the market (CDs, CD-ROMs, VCDs, DVD, DVD-Audio). The only thing you replace is the player. No one throws away their hard earned  collections of DVDs in the fear that they would not be supported anymore by the players. This now gives people more options to adapt to technology. I think this is product innovation. The standardization of the companies involved in this project will make this format a viable upgrade. Remember, I really see this as un upgrade and not a competitor, unlike different formats of DVD-R, RAMs, RW+s, who try to outbeat each other in the market without guaranteeing compatibility. The same way goes with the now defunct Laser Disc format. Who wants to make bulky players and discs anyway. The incompatility of the memory stick to the compaq flash conduit. We need standardization folks. This would do good in the long run. That's why we have USB ports, Firewires and the like that helps devices easier to connect and they help make technology make a whole lot more sense unlike the technology format isolationist concept which is existing in the world of DVDs today.

Lastly don't worry....Blu-rays won't be out until some time. Until then...let's support the technology. I think it's really good.
Title: HD DVD
Post by: Thames on Aug 05, 2002 at 08:05 PM
Hey guys,
i just read this article in www.dvdfile.com about HD-DVD

Is HD-DVD heating up?
According to this new Video Business article, the first official meeting by top executives from all the major studios took place this past week in Los Angeles to discuss the possible introduction of a new DVD-based, HD prerecorded format. While many have speculated this sudden rush to develop a viable HD-DVD platform sooner rather than later is to combat the launch of JVC's new D-VHS videotape format, sources in the article indicate that slow but steady acceptance of HD technology and high consumer satisfaction are also major motivating factors in the rush to develop a new format just as DVD is gaining mass market acceptance.

While hardly as divisive as early talks on DVD, these ongoing talks have not been not without controversy. With more than one possible HD-DVD technology on the table - Warner allegedly favors a red-laser based format mostly dismissed by major hardware manufacturers, versus "Blu-Ray" technology, which boasts more robust storage and "data throughput" and is favored by the majority of the consumer electronics companies that occupy the DVD Forum, especially heavyweight Sony - the road to true HD-DVD is still cloudy. But at least the studios are talking at all, and it is still too early to tell what impact this may have on the DVD of today. Do I need to tell you to stay tuned?

Title: Campaign: HD-DVD - One Format Only!
Post by: ßartmaniac on Sep 21, 2002 at 09:09 PM
(http://www.dvdsite.org/onehdformatwhite.jpg)
click image for details (http://www.dvdsite.org/)

from www.dvdsite.org
excerpt
:

The purpose of the HD-DVD: One Format Only! Campaign is to convey what we believe is a very important message, on behalf of DVD consumers everywhere, to the Hollywood movie studios, the consumer electronics manufacturers and all the members of the DVD Forum. That message is simple:

We believe that in order for any high-definition video disc format to be successful, all of the various parties involved MUST agree upon a SINGLE, unified format before making any such format available to consumers.

Numerous other DVD websites and online publications have announced support as well, including many members of the international DVD community.  

Anyone wishing to show support for the HD-DVD: One Format Only! Campaign may use and distribute the logos above freely and without restriction, provided that you link them to the www.dvdsite.org (http://www.dvdsite.org) webpage, which will act as the one-stop, official clearinghouse for HD-DVD and campaign information.  (read more... (http://www.dvdsite.org/))


Title: Re:Campaign: HD-DVD - One Format Only!
Post by: qwerty765 on Sep 22, 2002 at 06:26 PM
Yup! I agree with that campaign, we don't really want a repeat of the Beta vs. VHS thing.

With the technology that we have today, there is no stopping for them to make a better format, but the least the manufacturers could do for the consumers is to  assure us that it will at least be backwards compatible.

Will pinoyDVD.com support this campaign?
Title: How Long will this DVD format Last?
Post by: Djerms on Dec 26, 2002 at 11:04 AM
Hi PinoyDVD peeps!!!
I'm quite new to the forum and to the discussions itself so a little help will be very much appreciated.
Question lang po coz i'm a collector myself:  How long do you think will this dvd format last?  Kasi before i collected VHS formatted movies..ngayon di na popular  ???.  As for the DVD format, sa tingin nyo tatagal ito?  Thanks!  :)

Title: Re:How Long will this DVD format Last?
Post by: keating on Dec 26, 2002 at 08:45 PM
Welcome aboard Djerms!  :D

I hope this will be the last format or the ultimate video format for the next generations to come. Like you, I also have many videos in vhs format mostly from the U.S. pa.

Now stuck lang sa cabinet ko, but I think last format na ang dvd, buti na lang I didn't collect laserdiscs on the early 90's.  :)
Title: Re:How Long will this DVD format Last?
Post by: viper on Dec 28, 2002 at 01:57 PM
As long as it is supported by the studios, even if there are new formats that would come out in the future, DVD will remain with us for the longest time.
Title: Re:How Long will this DVD format Last?
Post by: artsky on Dec 28, 2002 at 08:58 PM
I think the DVD format will be here to stay. what worries me is the blu ray disc which is essentially a higher capacity DVD. but, if ever this new format kicks in, it would be fine since it would carry more information in a single disc.
Title: Re:How Long will this DVD format Last?
Post by: slowhand on Dec 29, 2002 at 10:35 AM
DVD is just beginning to explode. But at the same time, we need to keep an eye out for HD DVD.

A Strategy Analytics report predicts worldwide shipments of DVD discs will rise from 77 million units in 1999 to over two billion by 2005. Sales of DVD players will see a worldwide growth rate of 182 percent in 1999 to reach 144 million units by 2005. Currently there are around 17 million players worldwide.

Having said that, high-definition DVD will be coming sooner or later, depending on how quickly HDTV sets increase in sales and HDTV broadcasts increase in number. By 2006 the Consumer Electronics Association expects total HDTV unit sales to reach 10.6 million, which may be enough of a market for HD DVD discs to proliferate, if the makers can agree on standards the way they did for standard definition DVDs.

We'll all have to decide how to play this. Personally, if I were just starting to collect, I would buy only the ones I can watch over and over again, and rent more.

Problema lang, nakaka-addict ano?
Title: Re:How Long will this DVD format Last?
Post by: pinoymovies on Dec 29, 2002 at 12:53 PM
I read somewhere that current DVDs, the ones that are labeled 'anamorphic widescreeen' or 'enhanced for 16 x9  widescreen TV', will look even better on tomorrow's High Definition TV's.  
Title: The Death Of DVD: BLU-RAY Disc
Post by: dibidibidi on Jan 16, 2003 at 09:49 AM
excerpt from BBC News: The "next generation" of DVDs, able to hold almost six times as much information as current standard discs, has been unveiled by major technology companies. The new format, the Blu_Ray Disc, will store more than 13 hours of film, compared with the current limit of 133 minutes,
Title: Re:DVD Killer: Blu-ray Disc
Post by: slowhand on Jan 16, 2003 at 11:37 AM
I remember saying this in a similar thread: the turning point will be when high-def broadcast becomes the norm. When that happens, DVD will be inferior to the quality of broadcast TV, and the transition toward high-def DVD will come naturally.

The question is when (or if, if you want) high-def broadcst will be the norm. In Japan and the States, its gradually (albeit slowly) happening, with sports, HBO, PBS and the like already in place, and the big networks (Jay Leno's show, for instance) are moving to it.

Once you've seen a high-def broadcast, DVD becomes "bitin." I'm not happy saying this, having bought a bundle of DVDs, but such is progress.
Title: Re:How Long will this DVD format Last?
Post by: Mo®pHeOu$ on Jan 27, 2003 at 05:21 PM
 ;D ;D ;D

How long? ... hmmmm...

Probably for a very very long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long time.  ;)
Title: Re:How Long will this DVD format Last?
Post by: The Game on Jan 27, 2003 at 09:10 PM
mga 10 - 20 years sana hehehehe
Title: Re:How Long will this DVD format Last?
Post by: striderhiryu1 on Jan 27, 2003 at 10:29 PM
I've been into dvd since Oct. 98 (and LD since 92) and I hope its replaced by HD format soon (within the next 5 years).  I can't wait for HD DVD to arrive.  I've been spoiled by HD Broadcasts here in Japan (most sports).  :o
Title: Re:How Long will this DVD format Last?
Post by: sago on Jan 28, 2003 at 02:47 AM
f0r eternity  ;)

per0 kahit 10-15yrs pwede na.
Title: Re:How Long will this DVD format Last?
Post by: ann07 on Jan 28, 2003 at 05:33 AM
perhaps, till as long as we live and around pinoydvd.com! ;D
Title: Re:How Long will this DVD format Last?
Post by: dexterc on Jan 28, 2003 at 06:58 AM
As long as there are people like us who is supporting this format  ;D
Title: Re:How Long will this DVD format Last?
Post by: Courage on Jan 28, 2003 at 10:30 AM
As long as there are people like us who is supporting this format  ;D

I Agree ;D
Title: Re:How Long will this DVD format Last?
Post by: flashnymph72 on Jan 30, 2003 at 06:53 AM
if its the media being used, well as we have known plastic is non-biodegradable, talking about the moldy era of VHS tapes & cassette tapes  8)

if we maximize the size capability basing on the standard 1 layer cap (around 4.6 Gig)...so if we have a double sided double layer DVD that would yield us: 18 Gig of digital data! whew! baka iisang disk na lang yung StarWars Trilogy  ;D
most disk uses only 1 layer, one side  8)

difinitely DVDs will be here for us in a longer time than any other format  8)
Title: Re:Is the DVD format here to stay?
Post by: johndoe on Jan 30, 2003 at 07:58 PM
i think yes..by that time cguro...a single dvd would handle 3 movies!!!!! ;D ;D ;Dand ang audio is 10.2!!! ;D
Title: Re:Is the DVD format here to stay?
Post by: bunkieboy on Jan 30, 2003 at 08:08 PM
sure hope so. sayang my investment in my collection
Title: Re:HD-DVD
Post by: slowhand on Feb 17, 2003 at 10:16 PM
Blu-Ray licensing began today.
First player expected this year.
Read about it here (http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1103-984520.html).
Title: Re:HD-DVD
Post by: daigoro on Feb 17, 2003 at 10:25 PM
the dvd is the equivalent of the cd. many have tried but none have offered a compelling alternative. just as the lp was the precursor to the cd, the dvd is the succesor of the laser disc.  what can hdvd offer? more lines, better pictures, more features? we already have too much features that we care to see. more lines of resolution? most people have yet to tap progressive scan tvs and players. better picture? eh, people don't even see the difference between pirated dvds which are compressed versions of the orig dvds. dvd's are here to stay.
Title: Re:HD-DVD
Post by: Mrs. T on Feb 18, 2003 at 12:06 AM
I sure hope so, daigoro. Malaki-laki na rin ang nagagastos nating mga addict dito sa DVD's.
Title: Re:HD-DVD
Post by: KamoteQue on Mar 01, 2003 at 01:45 PM
What about them DVD writers....will that affect dvd sales? Seems like., hey, If I can copy them...why buy ?
KamoteQue
Title: Re:HD-DVD
Post by: indski on Mar 02, 2003 at 04:42 PM
I think it boils down 2 economics if they wil ofer a better alternativ 2 dvd players wid the same price tag say gudbye 2ur dvds but 4 nw dvd is the medium 2 beat!!
Title: The Next DVD: Blu-ray discs debutes April 10
Post by: DViant on Mar 04, 2003 at 04:21 AM
Japan's Sony Corp said on Monday it would start sales next month of the world's first DVD recorder that uses blue laser light and can pack a two-hour high-definition TV programme onto a single disc. It won't be cheap, with a retail list price of 450,000 yen ($3,800) while low-end DVD recorders using conventional red lasers go for as little as 50,000-70,000 yen.
(http://www.pcworld.com/news/graphics/109617-n_030303_blueray.jpg)
(http://news.com.com/i/ne/p/2003/030303sonyblu-ray.jpg)
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Me thinks this'll take off in the Philippines 2-3 years from now. Makes a compeling reason to get a HDTV. :)
Title: Re:The Next DVD: Blu-ray discs debutes April 10
Post by: notaku on Mar 04, 2003 at 06:24 AM
Dual-laser = compatible with 'old' DVDs, what about CDs?
27GB on each side of a disc at highest quality setting?!

Amazing...what will the pirates say... ???

Pero is this a consumer recording format only or will regular DVDs be made differently too?    
 
Title: Re:The Next DVD: Blu-ray discs debutes April 10
Post by: DViant on Mar 04, 2003 at 08:18 AM
I guess your standard CD will still work.

AFAIK it'll be MPEG-2 @ HDTV resolution (1080i, 720p, etc)

The pirates would say... when most people have a Blu-ray disc player then they'll do it.

I'm guessing this'll be available for both consumer & pre-mastered DVDs.

Anyway DVDs are still good here in the Philippines as it isn't as popular as VCDs.

This technology though could be a compeling reason to get a HDTV. Imagine watching movies at a resolution better than DVDs!
Title: Re:HD-DVD
Post by: slowhand on Mar 04, 2003 at 10:41 PM
A number of films are already out on HD: T2, Fight Club, Basic Instinct, Reservoir Dogs, Behind Enemy Lines, Gosford Park, and others. That's on a tape format, though, but still, the quality is much better than DVD -- make that, between 600% and 800% better than DVD. That's not a typo.

I was in Japan when they were first showing off HD sets -- a full ten years ago. I was blown away then, and I am blown away now every single time I see it.
Title: Re:HD-DVD
Post by: DViant on Mar 05, 2003 at 05:34 AM
I was wondering where this thread went. Anyway here I go.

All the new formats will co-exist because of the issue of price. An example would be audio CDs and audio cassette tape. Til now people still buy audio cassette tape because they either preffer analogue, they can't afford to get an audio CD player & replace there tape collection with a audio CD equivalent or they're satisfied with tape. This is the same reason with VCDs v. DVDs. Most people still consider VCDs a better choice due to the price of the copies against the price of DVD movies.

What these new formats offer is a better experience on a much larger screen. Yun lang naman yung thrust. A better & richer experience.

I just hope that the entertainment industry decides on a single, region-free format.

Can't wait til we get digital cable with HDTV signals! That'll rock! :)

A q.... when did the first DVDs come out?

Strike that question. It debuted on March of '97. So these new fangled formats would probably catch on after at least 4-5 years.
Title: Re:HD-DVD
Post by: iskolar1 on Mar 05, 2003 at 06:03 AM
Sony HD DVD for $3800? Ouch! That's too much. I'll wait to buy when the price goes down to  a reasonable amount. Meanwhile, I'll just watch HD HBO.
Title: Re:HD-DVD
Post by: johndoe on Mar 05, 2003 at 08:48 PM
Sony and Pioneer unveiled at the CEATEC electronics show here this week a prototype optical disc video recorder that utilizes a state-of-the-art blue laser.

The development of a commercial optical disc recording system based on a blue laser is a goal being pursued by many electronics makers at present and is seen as the next-generation leap from today's red laser-based systems. Because blue light has a shorter wavelength than red light, 405 nanometers versus 650 nanometers, data can be packed closer together and a standard optical disc can be made to hold more data.

DVR-Blue, the system on display at CEATEC this week, can store up to 22.5GB data on a standard optical disc--roughly five times the capacity of the latest 4.7GB DVD-RAM disc. Sony and Pioneer said that is enough capacity to record 2.5 hours of high-definition television, an application for which they think the new system will first catch on when commercialized.

The companies, which are working together on the research and development, bought a blue laser for the recorder from Nichia Chemical Industries, one of only two companies in Japan that is capable of producing such a device.

Commercial production is a ways off. The prototype was such a recent development that few details were available, and staff from Pioneer said that up until last week they were even unsure whether the prototype would be finished in time. ;D


Title: Re:HD-DVD
Post by: yumayari sa gabi on Mar 13, 2003 at 06:09 PM
D-VHS it won't take off to consumer or even to broadcast level you know the reason "physical contact"
Title: Re:HD-DVD
Post by: levi on May 03, 2003 at 02:13 PM
bump for stardust
Title: Re:HD-DVD
Post by: Mo®pHeOu$ on May 05, 2003 at 11:25 AM
 ;D ;D ;D

I wonder how much will these HD-DVDs go when it comes to the country?  ???
Title: Re:HD-DVD
Post by: johndoe on May 05, 2003 at 11:53 AM
cguro at introductory..twice as much as the dvd's right now.. :-[
Title: AOD vs. Blu-ray
Post by: barrister on May 19, 2003 at 10:40 AM
From http://news.zdnet.co.uk/story/0,,t269-s2134615,00.html (http://news.zdnet.co.uk/story/0,,t269-s2134615,00.html) :


Toshiba, NEC snub Blu-ray DVD format
12:11 Tuesday 13th May 2003
Richard Shim, CNET News.com  


Toshiba and NEC have chosen to develop their own blue laser DVD technology, snubbing Blu-ray, which will spark yet another DVD standards row
Toshiba and NEC are demonstrating a new DVD recording technology that promises a significantly higher storage capacity without a major investment in new production facilities. However, the companies have snubbed Blu-ray, a similar technology which has the backing of companies including Hitachi, Matsucrapa, Samsung and Sony.

Toshiba and NEC will present details of their blue-laser format, called Advanced Optical Disc (AOD), this week at the Optical Data Storage 2003 conference in Vancouver, Canada.

AOD is based on short-wavelength blue-violet lasers -- instead of the red lasers that are now in DVD drives -- to read data off of discs.

Toshiba said in a release that it has stored up to 36GB on a single-sided disc and that the technology can be applied to consumer electronics and computer products. Current DVD's hold about 4.7GB of data.

The technology, however, is drawing a mixed response from some analysts.

"The appetite for new investments in new production lines is small right now," said Wolfgang Schlichting, research director of removable storage at research firm IDC. As a result, the claim that the blue-laser technology requires only a modest investment could resonate with manufacturers.

On the other hand, "the technology may be running too fast for end-user demand," he said. "For many, DVD is good enough."

Nevertheless, electronics companies are positioning their technologies to be leaders when (and if) consumers are ready to upgrade. Because the prices of DVD products are falling rapidly, manufacturers are looking for new technologies that could spark another round of upgrades, with higher profit margins for the hardware and media. The price of DVD drives paid by manufacturers dropped 33 percent in 2002, according to IDC.

Nine companies, including Hitachi, LG Electronics, Matsucrapa, Pioneer, Royal Philips, Samsung, Sharp, Sony and Thomson, are working on their own DVD recordable format, known as Blu-ray.

Sony previously announced a DVD recorder based on Blu-ray technology for the Japanese market, but has not commented on US availability.

Toshiba and NEC are working with an industry group called the DVD Forum to gain the support of its 215 member companies.

The emergence of two blue-laser DVD recording technologies could lead to a replay of the competition surrounding red-laser DVD recordable formats -- DVD+R versus DVD-R -- which has caused some consumer confusion and slowed sales.

Toshiba and NEC said that their technology allows for backward compatibility with current DVD formats.

Representatives from Toshiba did not immediately return calls for comment. In previous interviews, they have said the recorders would be available next year.


Title: Re:HD-DVD and Blu-ray discs
Post by: levi on Jun 16, 2003 at 08:16 PM
bump for Philander
Title: Re:HD-DVD and Blu-ray discs
Post by: DViant on Jun 19, 2003 at 06:51 PM
I do hope the weakest of the standards die a natural death like DIVX (not the condec).
Title: Re:HD-DVD and Blu-ray discs
Post by: danzig on Aug 01, 2003 at 01:16 PM
They will eventually come up with writers for these formats. At the start, the prices will high, then it will drop, together with that of DVDs.

That's what is happening with CDs.

What'll make matters worse is that they might keep prices high to maximize profits. They did that with CDs for twenty years: now they are paying for it.
Title: Re:HD-DVD and Blu-ray discs
Post by: slowhand on Aug 07, 2003 at 06:32 AM
Excerpt from 7/28/03 USA TODAY
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Studios and electronics companies have begun hashing out the details, but "I don't think anybody thinks that high-definition DVD is less than four or five years away," VSDA's Andersen says. "There needs to be time for the industry to settle on (one format) that is robustly backward-compatible with very, very strong encryption."


Four or five years away. (Sigh of relief?)
Title: HD DVD the new format of DVDs
Post by: T-850 on Sep 11, 2003 at 04:57 PM
hi fellas, i heard in the future there will be a higher transfer for DVDs.. or has this started??

I think George Lucas will be releasing all 6 SW episodes in this format..

Also, James Cameron, I think started this with T2 Extreme Edition. The HD transfer is available on disc 2 for DVD rom format (windows media player).

Your insights please..  ;D
Title: Re:HD-DVD and Blu-ray discs
Post by: Tonton on Oct 04, 2003 at 08:57 PM
The technology is already existent, they're just not releasing it yet. Why? Because if they do NOW, they won't have businesses in the next few years.

We are only aware of GB memory capacities. For all we know (or maybe there is already), TG (TeraBytes) or GigaQuads! (i'm having a nose bleed  :o)

It's all about precious MONEY.

 >:(
Title: Re:HD-DVD and Blu-ray discs
Post by: Ice Storm on Oct 04, 2003 at 09:09 PM
Releasing HD-DVD & Blu-ray media technology isnt practical at the moment because only a small fraction of TV owners own a TV set that can display their images properly.

Who'd buy technology that is too advance for almost all TV owners?

Check this out http://www.wired.com/news/print/0,1294,60675,00.html

If you like Star Trek go visit Pinoy Star Trek forums (http://www.via-astris.ph/subspace/)
Title: Re:HD-DVD and Blu-ray discs
Post by: Tonton on Oct 05, 2003 at 07:07 AM
hey thanks for that link!  :)

I'm just saying that, it's the way it is, technology delay is a business tactic, yun lang naman.  :)
Title: Re:HD-DVD and Blu-ray discs
Post by: panic on Oct 14, 2003 at 06:15 PM
delaying new products is stupid. greed is eternal. :)
Title: Re:HD-DVD and Blu-ray discs
Post by: Tonton on Oct 14, 2003 at 07:05 PM
Right on! Let's Panic!  ;D
Title: Re:HD-DVD and Blu-ray discs
Post by: Kahon on Oct 28, 2003 at 04:20 PM
China aiming at better-than-DVD format
By Staff, CNETAsia
28/10/2003
URL: http://asia.cnet.com/newstech/personaltech/0,39001147,39156239,00.htm  (http://asia.cnet.com/newstech/personaltech/0,39001147,39156239,00.htm)
Teams in China aim to release full specifications for a higher-end complement to the DVD format next month.

The new format, called EVD (Enhanced Versatile Disc), will be playable only on EVD players and promises five times the image quality of DVD movies and a higher computer data storage capacity, according the official Xinhua news agency.

The first EVD players for home consumers will become available in China next year. Details about the format, such as storage capacity, compression format for audio and video files and type of reading laser used have so far been kept under wraps.

Development on the EVD standard began in 1999 and since then, several announced launch dates have been cancelled.

The China-developed EVD standard is among several projects supported by the government in its drive to reduce license fee payments and "shake off dependence on foreign technologies in production", according to Xinhua.

The EVD standard does not appear to be a user-recordable format for now, and aims to complement the DVD movie format for those with high-definition TVs. Talks are going on with film distributors to introduce content on EVD.

An EVD player will cost about US$240, compared with around US$85 for the average cost of a domestic DVD player. China-made home DVD players account for up to 70 per cent of the world market. China produced over 30 million DVD players last year.

Chinese manufacturers will welcome the new format, which promises to lead them out of low-end price wars and into the higher-value end of the market, said Xinhua.

The company developing EVD, Beijing E-World Digital Technology, comprises government bodies and 10 domestic electronics manufactuerers.

Outside China, competitors have developed similar high-capacity optical disc formats in order the push DVD technology forward.

A DVD-recordable standard, known as Blu-ray, is being promoted by companies including Hitachi, LG Electronics, Matsucrapa Electric Idustrial, Pioneer, Royal Philips Electronics, Samsung Electronics, Sharp, Sony and Thomson.

Blu-ray technology is designed to allow a single-sided, 12-centimeter disc to hold up to 27GB of storage. The technology uses a short-wavelength blue-violet laser--instead of the red lasers in current optical drives--to read data.

Ding Kangyuan, and official with the trade body the China Audio Industries Association (CAIA), believed that if EVD products appear in China within the next three years, it can outflank Blu-ray, at least in the home market.

News.com's Ricard Shim contributed to this report.
Title: China moves from DVD to EVD
Post by: slowhand on Nov 19, 2003 at 10:13 AM
While I know I won't be buying this technology, as I'd rather wait for the real HD-DVD, it's always interesting what the world's biggest maker of DVD players is up to.

What do you think?

Read the article here (http://money.cnn.com/2003/11/18/news/international/china_dvd.reut/index.htm?cnn=yes).
Title: Re:DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: sgc_wdi on Nov 20, 2003 at 10:21 AM
Interesting, at least by next year may discs na for HDTV's...

HD-DVD is taking so long...
Title: Re:DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: himura on Dec 02, 2003 at 11:58 AM
Check out this report from IGN (http://dvd.ign.com/articles/442/442505p1.html):

DVD Forum Approves Next-Gen DVD (But don't worry, your DVD collection is safe for a few years.)
December 01, 2003

The DVD Forum has formally adopted the Advanced Optical Disc (AOD) format under development by Toshiba Corp. and NEC Corp. as the next-generation DVD drive, but in the near-term, it doesn't mean a whole lot.

Toshiba and NEC have been developing AOD while Sony Corp., Matsucrapa Electric Industrial Co. and Philips Electronics have been developing the Blu-ray DVD format. Both use a blue laser technology, which will have much higher resolution than standard DVD and much higher disc capacity.

The approval does not rule out development of the Blu-ray format. Sony, Panasonic and Philips are members of the DVD Forum, along with Toshiba and NEC. Blu-ray will use a 128-bit AES encryption system, significantly stronger than the 40-bit encryption on DVD that was broken in 1999.

A single-layer Blu-ray DVD has 25GB of storage while a dual layer disk has 50GB of storage. AOD's capacity is 15 GB for a single-layer disk and 30 GB for a dual-layer disk. DVD, by contrast, has 4.7GB capacity on a single-layer disc and 9.4GB on a dual layer disk.

Both AOD and Blu-ray are still in the development stages and won't be on the market for some time. While still under development, some advantages are already apparent. Blu-ray is recordable out of the box while AOD is not. But AOD will have an easier time being backwards-compatible with existing DVD disks because they use the same lens. Also, an AOD disc can be manufactured on the same production machines used to make DVDs today, whereas Blu-ray will require new production lines.

If you thought DVD was expensive when it launched, hold on to your wallet. Toshiba and NEC say AOD decks will run around $2,700, while the first Blu-ray player from Sony is on sale in Japan for around $4,000.

Plus, Forum approval doesn't mean products will start flowing. "It reminds me a little bit of the adoption of the DVD-RW format as another DVD Forum-approved format," says Wolfgang Schlichting, research director for removable storage at IDC. "That did not mean that anybody besides Pioneer was actually developing and marketing products in that format for a while."

However, Schlichting has his doubts that Blu-ray or AOD will reach the mass market, "because DVD has so much life in it. It's good enough for most end users for video quality. There is a good case that DVD will be the mass market of choice for the vast majority of end users for the next ten years." He also adds that none of the movie studios have not pledged any support to either format as yet.

He does think that Pixonics, which delivers High Definition TV resolution on current-generation red laser DVD players, has a chance in the marketplace. "I'm still optimistic that there's a lot of life left in red laser DVD technology and any incremental improvement that doesn't add much cost to the drive will be attractive to end users. There's no near-term significant incentive for end-users to abandon DVD technology," he says.


What do you guys think?
Title: Re:DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: basurero on Dec 02, 2003 at 01:06 PM
HD-DVD is coming.  So what?  Do you have an HDTV yet?  Are you willing
to spend more money for HD-DVDs?  I will guarantee you they will cost
more than the current DVD prices.  Think "laserdisc" pricing.  Also as a
reminder, most of those TV series  available on current DVD's won't be
getting any better on HD-DVD.  Most are as good as they get on current
DVD technology.  Maybe if it's a newer show., but most aren't.

No, I wouldn' worry too much about HD-DVD.  It's still a few years off.
  Sure, it'll look great and sound great.  It will also be more
expensive.  I was sold on current DVD technology because of

A) widescreen anamorphic image
B) digital sound
B) low pricing

I never collected VHS tapes.  But now I could finally buy a movie uncut,
uncropped, usually with some bonus features all for a reasonable price.
  They work in both home players and computers.  DVD's are a great value.

When HD-DVD arrives it will also take awhile for content to build.  If
anything, I might buy a very few of my all time favorite movies, but for
the most part I am quite content with the current DVD format.  I do own
a true HDTV myself, but I'm still not all hyped about HD-DVD.

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Personally I'm not too worried about whatever HD-DVD format that
comes since at this point it will be YEARS before it will finally hit the
market place. First they'll agree upon a disc format - which will take
a long time. Then it will be copyright protection - which will add more
time. Finally it will be marketing, getting content, etc etc etc... again,
more time. Then - if - and a BIG if - will retail stores even want to carry
it when DVDs are flying off the shelves faster than a speeding bullet?

At most in my opinion HD-DVD, much like SACD, will be at best
a cult format like Laserdisc and Minidisc are. Not a bad thing, and
to the people who use them they do serve their purpose (as I just
listened to several SACDs tonight).

********************
********************

> I pretty much agree with all of this. There is one minor(or major
> depending on how you look at it) thing to note though. There's a lot
> of talk that the HD-DVD format will be inside a protective caddie. This
> would give HD-DVD a huge advantage in the rental market and you could
> see giants like Cocksucker and Hollywood perpously phasing out
> standard DVD's for the new HD-DVD's. You say, "big deal... the movie
> industry doesn't live off of rentals alone." But if you think about it, it is a
> pretty big deal.

Even I know that the rental market is pretty big when even grocery stores
have rentals in them. Of course that's not so much in my area these days
since we got a few ma and pa stores around.

> How has a horrible format like VHS managed to last
> nearly 30 years and is still somehow hanging(just barely, but still
> hanging none-the-less) on even after DVD's have become the new
> standard?

1) People can easily record on VHS... however DVD recording is still in its
early stages and not quite ready for the mass consumer level. I will admit
that DVD recording is getting better and better as time goes on but in my opinion
they got a ways to go yet.

2) Even with DVD players as cheap as they are, some people refuse to jump
aboard. I get at least one person a day at my store complaining why we don't
sell VHS in our stores anymore. Then again, on the other side of the coin in
a way I prefer VHS to stay alive since - after all - if VHS is still alive
then those P&S lovers can still buy their taevae filling crap to their hearts content
there.

> The rental market of course. VHS became the dominant format because of
> it's "ready for rental" design. Sell-through VHS did very little to
> keep it afloat. It was almost entirely rental VHS that has kept it around
> way past it's expiration date.

Yep. When they were charging $100 per video to the rentals you can see why
studios prefered the two tier rental system. But now with DVD around its
amazing how quickly the studios have gone from the two tier rental system to
straight to retail. But like I pointed out there are people who refuse to
for one reason or another jump to DVD, so its those people that are going to keep
VHS alive.

> I hope I'm wrong though as I'm not all that interested in HD-DVD(it's
> a
> lot of hype and not much else) and I don't experience trouble with
> rental DVD's(like so many others 'claim' to), so I could care less
> about
> a protective caddie.

I wouldn't mind having HD-DVD for a few films myself like the "Lord
Of The Rings" trilogy, but for the most part the current DVDs we got
for many films to me will still look great 10 years from now as they do
now.


source: alt.dvd.video mailing list
Title: Re:DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: espace on Dec 29, 2003 at 04:22 PM
Here's an article from today's (12/29/03) edition of The New York Times (http://www.nytimes.com/)

Heavyweights Are Choosing Sides in Battle Over Next DVD Format

December 29, 2003
 By KEN BELSON

TOKYO, Dec. 28 - When Hisashi Yamada pulls back his bow, he thinks of only one thing: Hitting the bull's-eye 92 feet away.

"When I concentrate on the target," said Mr. Yamada, a champion archer who demonstrates his skill dressed in the traditional blue-and-white hakama, "I forget about everything else."

In his regular job, Mr. Yamada, a 60-year-old electrical engineer, is putting that same single-minded focus to work for the Toshiba Corporation, which is battling like a Japanese samurai warrior of old in a fight to the finish over whose format will be used in the next generation of DVD's.

The discs, which have been under development for several years, will hold four to five times more digital video and audio data than those now on the market. They are needed because broadcasters and movie studios are planning to take advantage of the spread of high-definition television screens to produce more digital programming with multitrack sound and much better resolution.

The new discs and their players will not be widely available until at least 2005, but already the world's largest electronics, computer and entertainment companies are embroiled in a multibillion-dollar fight over whose technology will become an industry standard.

The arguments are in many ways reminiscent of the Betamax-VHS showdown in the 1970's and the clashes over digital audiotape, compact discs and the original digital videodiscs released in 1997. As in those battles, technology is just the starting point for debates filled with emotion and industry politics.

Beyond the technical details like tracking speed and tilt is a serious tussle over how to divide - and protect - the billions of dollars in royalties from the licensing of this technology and the content sold on the discs. Also at stake is an effort by electronics makers to prevent emerging Chinese rivals and well-established Silicon Valley computer makers from making significant inroads into the home entertainment business.

"This is a very intense conflict over intellectual property," said Warren N. Lieberfarb, a driving force behind the development of the original DVD format. It has the added overlay, he said, "of the Japanese, Korean and European consumer electronics industries fearing China's aggressively emerging consumer electronics industry as well as the PC industry."

At the technological level, the combatants are divided roughly into two camps. Under Mr. Yamada's leadership, NEC and Toshiba have formed a group that has developed the HD (high definition) DVD, a disc that is 0.6 millimeter thick and made with machinery similar to that used for today's DVD's. On the other side is the 10-company Blu-ray Group, led by Sony and Matsucrapa, whose best-known brands are Panasonic and JVC. That group has developed a disc only 0.1 millimeter thick that can hold more data but needs additional investment to be produced. Information on the discs can be overwritten after it is recorded, something that is not possible with the HD DVD's now.

At 12 centimeters in diameter, both discs are similar to today's offerings, though Sony's discs are protected from fingerprints, dust and scratches by square plastic cartridges when not in use. The HD DVD group has developed a single lens that emits red and blue rays to read both current and next-generation discs. The Blu-ray machines require two separate lenses.

While the discs are still at least a year away from mass production, both sides are expected to be out in full body armor trying to win new allies at the big Consumer Electronics Show in Las Vegas, Jan. 8 through 11, where they are planning to show prototypes of their devices.

There are many battles left to fight, though, before these new DVD's hit the shelves, and it is entirely possible that the camps will never reach a consensus, forcing consumers, retailers, movie studios and others to adapt, at least initially, to two competing standards.

In the Betamax-VHS war, one standard ultimately triumphed. That is an important reason the two chief antagonists in that fight - Sony, the loser, and Matsucrapa, the winner - are now allies. In the wake of other format conflicts, including the one over the first generation of DVD's, multiple standards co-exist, with the differences papered over by machines that can play several formats. But in other cases, including the development of higher-quality music discs, the disputes seem to have scared away consumers and retailers caught in the middle.

The ideal, everyone involved insists, is for one format to emerge as the winner so costs can be kept to a minimum. But as Mr. Yamada knows, that is about the only thing on which people can agree. In addition to his role at Toshiba, he is chairman of the powerful Technical Coordination Group at the DVD Forum, a six-year-old group of more than 200 companies that is trying to decide on one format.

In November, the HD DVD camp's specifications were endorsed by the forum's steering committee. The victory was significant, but tellingly contentious. The format was not approved until the third ballot, and only after voting rules were changed and several companies abstained. The Blu-ray Group did not submit specifications for a read-only disc, which Hollywood is eager to have for movie sales and rentals.

Mr. Yamada called the negotiations "very delicate," and said the Blu-ray Group was trying to prevent the HD DVD from becoming the industry standard because it does not yet have a solid alternative.

"They don't want to approve HD DVD in the forum, but since they only have rewriteable discs, they can't say theirs is better than ours," said Mr. Yamada, who argues that his goal is to produce an open format that all companies can share. The Blu-ray Group, he said, "wants to control the technological standards themselves."

The HD DVD group may get an additional lift in February, when the Walt Disney Company, Microsoft and Sanyo are expected to take over leadership of the DVD Forum. The three companies have not sided with either format, but are seen by some as friendlier to the Toshiba-NEC group.

Though the two camps produce discs that store similar amounts of data, manufacturers say that the HD DVD discs cost only 15 percent more to produce than current discs, a fraction of what they say the Blu-ray discs will cost. Stamping out prerecorded discs cheaply is the key to wooing Hollywood studios, which want to keep their retail prices low in a business that now brings in more money than movies in first-run theaters. Retailers also want one standard so they do not have to stock two versions of every movie.

"What Hollywood cares about is cost," said Kanji Katsuura, the chief technical officer at Memory-Tech, the second-largest maker of DVD's in Japan. "They basically want the same price as discs now."

Sony and its allies dismiss claims that their technology is too expensive, saying that the cost per disc will naturally fall as production takes off. They also say their rewriteable discs are what consumers really want because they can be used not only to play movies but also to record high-definition digital television programming, now available selectively in the United States and offered on a limited basis in Japan starting this month.

"What we are striving for with Blu-ray is the next stage in the evolution of this technology," said Yukinori Kawauchi, a manager in the planning and control division at Sony's broadband network unit. Such a leap happens only "every 10 or 20 years, like the transition from CD's to DVD's," he said. In April, Sony started selling Blu-ray DVD recorders in Japan, where they cost 378,000 yen, or $3,500, and take discs that sell for 3,000 yen, or about $27. Sony does not release sales figures, but industry sources said only a few hundred players had been sold so far.

Mr. Yamada said Toshiba wanted to introduce DVD recorders in 2005 that cost less than $2,000 and players priced below $1,000. They would be much cheaper than machines using the competing format, but would still be aimed mostly at the early adopters, who are the first to try new technologies. As in the past, the new formats are not expected to take off in the mass market until the price falls sharply.

"The battle really depends on the price level," said Yuki Sugi, a consumer electronics analyst at Deutsche Securities in Tokyo. "When the price falls to 120,000 yen ($1,080), it will catch on. This is a kind of magic number for high-priced electronics."

History indicates that the magic number might be reached earlier than anticipated. Sales of DVD discs and players gathered steam when production began in China, pushing prices lower. But some manufacturers worry that their technology could be used by Chinese rivals, legally or otherwise. This fear, some critics say, is why the Blu-ray group has kept a tight lid on its technology instead of sharing more of its specifications with other members of the DVD Forum. Striking back, nine Chinese companies have said they plan to develop their own DVD formats.

Copyright infringement is another worry. After the rapid spread of illegally copied DVDs, Hollywood is pushing both technical groups to come up with new security measures to protect their movies. Neither group has developed a prototype that satisfies the movie industry - a major impediment to a commercial launch.

"We are very much focused on both picture quality and content protection," said Peter Murphy, senior executive vice president and chief strategic officer at the Walt Disney Company, which has about one-fourth of the home video market. "The consumer electronics manufacturers can come up with the technical standards for the next-generation discs, but unless we also agree on the content protection standards, many of the studios may choose to wait before releasing content in the new format."
 
Also lurking nearby are giants like Microsoft, I.B.M. and Intel, which are eager to work their way into family rooms by promoting their technology for use in set-top boxes, DVD players and digital video recorders with hard disk drives. American computer makers, adept at producing hardware on thin margins by building sophisticated global supply chains, could also develop competing products, turning television into just another function of the home computer.
 
"Younger generations are completely happy working with a mouse, which is better than a 1,000-button remote," said Tom Adams, president of Adams Media Research in Carmel, Calif. "Microsoft can dominate in ways that Sony or Toshiba can't."

Some analysts contend that high-speed Internet connections will ultimately make discs less relevant as consumers download more music and movies, though this is a more distant threat.

For now, discs remain the medium of choice, and the decision on a format will ultimately be up to Hollywood. Some movie executives are leaning toward the HD DVD format because it is seen as the cheaper of the two. But others are still weighing the technological and financial arguments from both groups.

Many in the industry say the worst case would be an endless fight, forcing the public to wrestle with two formats.

If that happens, said Mr. Lieberfarb, the developer of the original DVD format, "everyone is a loser, particularly Hollywood studios, the retailer community and, most importantly, the consumer."

Link to Article: Heavyweights Are Choosing Sides in Battle Over Next DVD Format (http://www.nytimes.com/2003/12/29/technology/29disk.html?ex=1073684894&ei=1&en=612fdb633c42925c) (registration required)

Title: Re:DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: sgc_wdi on Jan 13, 2004 at 11:14 AM
an interesting article on HD-DVD and Blu-Ray Disc can be found on The Digital Bits, from CES 2004... there is also a picture of the prototype players and a screen capture of a sample trailer being shown....

http://www.thedigitalbits.com/articles/wces04/report.html
Title: Re:DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: SiCkBoY on Feb 03, 2004 at 01:59 PM
The latest issue of Maximum PC briefly discussed the pros and cons of Blu-Ray and AOD (Advanced Optical Disc).  How many formats are really looming on the horizon?
Title: Re:DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: T-850 on Feb 11, 2004 at 10:50 AM
when the day comes when a new version after dvd is available.. how much will dvds cost then? do u guys think it will depreciate as much as LDs did? geez i hope not!
Title: Re:DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: Ice Storm on Feb 27, 2004 at 03:33 PM
DVD Forum approves rewritable HD-DVD format.

Here's to hoping they'll settle on a single format.
Title: Re:DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: jpadua on Mar 26, 2004 at 04:09 PM
Pasingit!!! :D

If you own an HDTV... then watch near HD quality DVD using standard DVD discs and an HTPC.  I have been watching standard DVDs scaled to 1080i on my HDTV for almost a yr now.. still nothing comes close to picture quality.. so while HD-DVD or Blueray DVDs are in the not available yet, even if they were they might be too much for an average consumer.. Enjoy the current crop of DVDs.
Title: Re:DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: jmigs on Apr 01, 2004 at 09:33 PM
New DVD format delayed as Hollywood takes the stage

http://www.forbes.com/home_europe/newswire/2004/03/30/rtr1316620.html

delayed because of copy-protection issues.
Title: HD-DVD (regular DVD upsampled to 1080i) screenshots
Post by: jpadua on Apr 02, 2004 at 09:17 AM
I took the liberty of taking comparison screenshots of 480p DVD and 1080i upsampled DVD.

http://www.pinoydvd.com/yabbse/index.php?board=17;action=display;threadid=13274;start=240
Title: Sony to release Blu-Ray movies on year 2006, what do you think about it?
Post by: jmigs on Apr 02, 2004 at 03:37 PM
Read here
http://www.eet.com/sys/news/showArticle.jhtml?articleId=18600329

Blu-Ray (BR) "pressed" movies are coming around year 2006, what do you think about it?

a.  Yes, my first BR movies will be xmen3 and jurassic park4
b.  Let the hype past then buy
c.  I'll stop collecting DVDs now or sell them right away.
d.  I gonna transfer my DVDs to Blu-Ray
e.  Forget it!
f.   Nah, Blu-Ray has "blue screen of death" coz they will be using Microsoft's codec.
g.  Nah, Ricoh/Panasonic has 1 terrabyte opitcal disc by the year 2010
h.  My loveones told me that I better stop this ever-changing hobby.
Title: Re:Sony to release Blu-Ray movies on year 2006, what do you think about it?
Post by: tqpix on Apr 02, 2004 at 03:55 PM
i.  Wait to find out which one--HD-DVD or Blue-Ray--becomes mainstream before buying.
Title: Re:Sony to release Blu-Ray movies on year 2006, what do you think about it?
Post by: jmigs on Apr 02, 2004 at 07:52 PM
i.  Wait to find out which one--HD-DVD or Blue-Ray--becomes mainstream before buying.

No one supports HD-DVD yet, blu-ray has around  13 supporting companies
Title: Re:Sony to release Blu-Ray movies on year 2006, what do you think about it?
Post by: Jett on Apr 04, 2004 at 06:05 PM
b. let the hype pass.

Masyado na 'to magastos.  :)
Title: Re:Sony to release Blu-Ray movies on year 2006, what do you think about it?
Post by: Y_meeh on Apr 05, 2004 at 12:04 PM
Forgive my ignorance... i just want to know if blu-ray will be playable in ordinary dvd players?
Title: Re:Sony to release Blu-Ray movies on year 2006, what do you think about it?
Post by: tqpix on Apr 05, 2004 at 12:14 PM
Not from any of the information I've read.  However, regular DVDs are playable in Blu-Ray players.
Title: Re:Sony to release Blu-Ray movies on year 2006, what do you think about it?
Post by: MiKeBiBbY on Apr 05, 2004 at 03:57 PM
downward compatibility.  8)
Title: Re:Sony to release Blu-Ray movies on year 2006, what do you think about it?
Post by: jmigs on Apr 05, 2004 at 05:46 PM
Forgive my ignorance... i just want to know if blu-ray will be playable in ordinary dvd players?

http://www.blu-ray.philips.com/faq.asp

Q: Since thickness of cartridge varies, would a Blu-ray Disc recorder be compatible with other formats?
A: Blu-ray Disc can be compatible with CD and/or DVD, depending on the specifications. It is not compatible with BD, DVD-RAM and DVD-RW because of their different laser wavelengths.

There are 4 competing formats for the next generation DVD
http://www.hddvd.org/hddvd/difformatsblueray.php

For me, I think Blu-Ray will win

FYI: Since Blu-ray technology is co-owned by Sony, don't expect it on Xbox2
Title: Re:Sony to release Blu-Ray movies on year 2006, what do you think about it?
Post by: danzig on Apr 06, 2004 at 03:23 PM
From what I remember, many of the things that are used widely today (like DVDs) were hyped only a few years ago.
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: sgc_wdi on Apr 19, 2004 at 11:43 AM
http://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/ptech/04/16/sony.toppan.reut/index.html

Sony is releasing a new disc format, made of 51% paper! The disc is based on the Blu-Ray Disc format, which enables it to hold 25GB of data for a single sided disc. You can read the CNN link for more info :)
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: jpadua on Apr 19, 2004 at 01:22 PM
480p VS 1080i

Uploaded 2 new screenshots, here you can compare regular DVD againts Upscaled DVD content (DVD at 1080i - similar to HDDVD)

A close up shot of Lilu's (Mila Jovavich) face in the movie "The Fifth Element"

480p (864x486 actual pixels)
http://jaypadua.fotopic.net/p3875514.html (http://jaypadua.fotopic.net/p3875514.html)

1080i (1920x1080 actual pixels)
http://jaypadua.fotopic.net/p3875513.html (http://jaypadua.fotopic.net/p3875513.html)

I think these images are clear enough to see a big difference in clarity :)
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: JT on Apr 21, 2004 at 07:50 PM
How about the latest media from SONY ... PAPER DVD.

(http://us.news1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/afp/20040419/thumb.sge.iku63.190404154836.photo00.default-384x296.jpg)
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/afp/20040419/od_afp/japan_it_sony_toppan_040419154919

TOKYO (AFP) -  Electronics giant Sony and another Japanese company have developed a "paper disc" that can record more than two hours of high-definition images and be destroyed with scissors for foolproof data security, officials said.

The 25-gigabite Blu-ray optical disc is 51 percent paper and was developed jointly with Toppan Printing Co. Ltd. of Japan.

"Since a paper disc can be cut by scissors easily, it is simple to preserve data security when disposing of the disc," Toppan managing director Hideaki Kawai said in a joint statement with Sony.

Masanobu Yamamoto, senior managing director at optical disc development division of Sony, said the firms were able to use paper in the new disc as the Blu-ray technology does not require laser light to travel through the substrate.

The technical details of how it is possible to use paper as a data storage disc would be disclosed Tuesday at a conference in Monterey, California, according to Sony.

The combination of paper material and printing technology is also expected to lead to a reduction in cost per disc and will expand usage, the two partners said. It has yet to be decided when the disc will be commercially available.

The use of paper in electronics products is not new for Sony.

In 1950 when Japan was still struggling to rise from the ashes of World War II, Sony, then called Tokyo Tsushin Kogyo, made magnetic tapes using a similar grade of paper to that used for ordinary envelopes.

Sony used racoon hair brushes to daub magnetic powder over the paper to produce what it cally "SONI TAPE", starting its history as an audio-video products maker.

The Blu-ray disc format allows high-capacity optical-disc storage to be used for such technologies as high-definition televisions.

A group of manufacturers was set up in 2002 to promote a common standard for the disc format comprising Dell Inc., Hewlett-Packard, Hitachi, LG Electronics, Matsunutsa Electronics Industrial, Mitsubishi Electric Corp, Pioneer Corp, Royal Philips Electronics, Samsung Electronics, Sharp Corp, Sony Corp (NYSE:SNE - news) (news - web sites) and Thomson.

Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: slowhand on Jun 21, 2004 at 09:41 AM
At a recent press conference, a Sony executive said:

Sony has 1,500 titles ready to go for High Definition. Any Sony DVD that has "Mastered in High Definition" on the back of the case means it's ready to be reissued for a Blu-ray DVD player.

If you're like me, you'd want to pay attention to the second sentence, to minimize double-dipping.
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: cherubrock on Jul 13, 2004 at 11:48 PM
Personally, I think there are several factors that will determine the success or failure of any new format:

1. It should be backed by all manufacturers concerned (the electronics companies, the studios, etc.)
2. It should be priced at a reasonable level so consumers will still be willing to shell out (as opposed to digging deep) for it, and,
3. It should be backwards-compatible with existing technology (wag naman sana mapunta sa wala ang lahat ang pangongolekta natin ng current dvd format)

Just look at what happened to DAT, and even the Mini-disc and LD, which compared to dvd have had very limited success..

Just my two cents worth..  ;D
Title: What if there comes new format better DVD?
Post by: shuttertrigger on Jul 19, 2004 at 11:12 AM
Just wandering, from betamax to vhs, Laserdisc to VCD to DVD,
Who knows, there will be a new format better than DVD what will be our life then? ::)  ;D

Just wanna know... :o Thanks!
Title: Re: What if there comes new format better DVD?
Post by: dunforgiven on Jul 19, 2004 at 12:04 PM
i joined the DVD wagon more than 6 years after it was first released. So for whatever new foramt comes out, that's probably how i'll be doing it also  ;)
Title: Re: What if there comes new format better DVD?
Post by: cherubrock on Jul 19, 2004 at 10:32 PM
If and when the time comes (which is probably inevitable) I hope that they make it backwards-compatible with the current format. This will also ensure to some degree that they have the support of the consumers who have invested so much in dvd as we know it now.  ;)
Title: Re: What if there comes new format better DVD?
Post by: shuttertrigger on Jul 19, 2004 at 11:03 PM
If and when the time comes (which is probably inevitable) I hope that they make it backwards-compatible with the current format. This will also ensure to some degree that they have the support of the consumers who have invested so much in dvd as we know it now.  ;)

well, i hope when that time comes, i fully enjoyed this hobby and morealso, if there's new introduced format better than dvd, i hope it would be much more cheaper to come with a pretty set up.. tsk tsk tsk ;)
Title: Re: What if there comes new format better DVD?
Post by: cherubrock on Jul 20, 2004 at 02:14 AM


well, i hope when that time comes, i fully enjoyed this hobby and morealso, if there's new introduced format better than dvd, i hope it would be much more cheaper to come with a pretty set up.. tsk tsk tsk ;)


(Sigh) In a perfect world, I guess. But when they come up with the new one I think their main goal would be to get us, the consumers (or should I say willing victims? hehe..), to spend more money buying it, along with accompanying set-ups  ;)
Title: Re: What if there comes new format better DVD?
Post by: stannum on Jul 20, 2004 at 10:51 AM
Now that you put it that way, I'm suddenly glad I can't buy all the DVDs I want all at once. For a newbie like me, the wait-and-see approach is probably the best.  ;D
Title: Re: What if there comes new format better DVD?
Post by: jmigs on Jul 21, 2004 at 01:16 AM
Both Blu-ray and HD-DVD will be backward compatible for DVD. Actually both of them has already a succesor (or competitor) by the year 2010.

RICOH announces DVD100 supporting up to 470GB capacities!
http://www.cdr-info.com/Sections/News/Details.aspx?NewsId=7188

Panasonic, Ricoh to develop optical disc storing 300-DVDs by 2010
http://www.cdr-info.com/Sections/News/Details.aspx?NewsId=7283
Title: Another "DVD" format by the year 2010, BIGGER capacity than Blu-Ray and HD-DVD.
Post by: jmigs on Jul 21, 2004 at 01:47 AM
Worried about your DVDs, bluray or hd-dvd? Think again, I already know this news since 2002 but I "delayed" to post it here. Both Blu-ray and HD-DVD will be backward compatible for DVD. Actually both of them has already a succesor (or competitor) by the year 2010.

RICOH announces DVD100 supporting up to 470GB capacities!
http://www.cdr-info.com/Sections/News/Details.aspx?NewsId=7188

Panasonic, Ricoh to develop optical disc storing 300-DVDs
http://www.cdr-info.com/Sections/News/Details.aspx?NewsId=7283
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: jmigs on Jul 21, 2004 at 01:51 AM
Worried about your DVDs, bluray or hd-dvd? Think again, I already know this news since 2002 but I "delayed" to post it here. Both Blu-ray and HD-DVD will be backward compatible for DVD. Actually both of them has already a succesor (or competitor) by the year 2010.

RICOH announces DVD100 supporting up to 470GB capacities!
http://www.cdr-info.com/Sections/News/Details.aspx?NewsId=7188

Panasonic, Ricoh to develop optical disc storing 300-DVDs
http://www.cdr-info.com/Sections/News/Details.aspx?NewsId=7283
Title: Re: What if there comes new format better DVD?
Post by: cherubrock on Jul 21, 2004 at 02:14 AM
Very informative, jmigs, although sumakit ata ulo ko sa Japanese to English translation!  ;D

I think that much storage is too much for the current demands of dvd though, and I guess we can only imagine right now how much the media would cost, not to mention the equipment for them.

Good that it's backward-compatible though..  ;D
Title: Re: What if there comes new format better DVD?
Post by: jmigs on Jul 21, 2004 at 02:18 PM
Why bother for a new format? Enjoy the technology that we have now.  Someday you may transfer (like Beta/VHS to VCD/DVD) or buy a new edition of your favorite movie on "put a new format here" I think Xmen 3 (2006),  Jurassic Park 4 (2005), Matrix 4 will be the first titles on Blu-Ray  ;D
Title: Re: What if there comes new format better DVD?
Post by: cherubrock on Jul 21, 2004 at 11:54 PM
Why bother for a new format? Enjoy the technology that we have now.  Someday you may transfer (like Beta/VHS to VCD/DVD) or buy a new edition of your favorite movie on "put a new format here" I think Xmen 3 (2006),  Jurassic Park 4 (2005), Matrix 4 will be the first titles on Blu-Ray  ;D


Wow, so inevitable na talaga, huh? There go my plans of upgrading my player, hehe.. Hemisphere also mentioned that Disney might be holding off the release of Little Mermaid until the new HD-DVD format is available, and that this might be their first offering for that. Say, would you guys happen to have links on this info?  8)
Title: Re: What if there comes new format better DVD?
Post by: shuttertrigger on Jul 29, 2004 at 10:45 AM
Anymore sentiments guys?  ;D
Title: Re: What if there comes new format better DVD?
Post by: av_phile1 on Jul 29, 2004 at 01:38 PM
Technological advancement is inevitable.  The road to progress won't end.  And the road is paved with some bumps (format wars?)   It's the car I'm using that may have problems getting there.   ;D

What will I do with my LOTR DVD when the blue ray or HD-DVD version comes along?  Can I sell it for 300 bucks at the buy and sell section? 
Title: Re: What if there comes new format better DVD?
Post by: nerveblocker on Jul 29, 2004 at 06:07 PM
Techno freaks like us just have to fall in the hands of the proprietor of the new format.  We will still be buying those favorite titles we have on a new format.  Man, are we doomed.
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: barrister on Sep 16, 2004 at 12:39 AM
Sony Set to Exert Influence on Discs
By KEN BELSON and ANDREW ROSS SORKIN

Published: September 15, 2004



The purchase of Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer by a group led by Sony will not only give the company an enormous film library but also considerable power in its fight to set the format for the next generation of digital video discs.

xxx

But with the exception of Sony's movie division, which includes the Columbia and TriStar studios, that naturally backs the Blu-ray format, the movie studios have so far avoided backing one standard despite intense lobbying by both the Blu-ray and HD DVD groups. By buying MGM, Sony will be adding another studio to the list of Blu-ray backers, and a catalog of 4,000 movies that could be issued exclusively in the Blu-ray format.

"It further tips scales that were already tipped toward Blu-ray," said Ross Rubin, a consumer electronics analyst at the NPD Group.

xxx


Full text: http://www.nytimes.com/2004/09/15/business/media/15sony.html?ex=1252987200&en=0c852d2885ef6ea5&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt


Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: DViant on Sep 23, 2004 at 01:11 AM
The Sony has confirmed that the PS3 will use Blu-ray Disc ROM (BD-ROM) (http://www.scei.co.jp/corporate/release/pdf/040921d_e.pdf). The PS3 is expected to make its debute in March 2005.

That essentially means that BDs now has a 50-50 chance of being the new de facto standard for delivering HD content to the masses.
Title: Re: Sony to release Blu-Ray movies on year 2006, what do you think about it?
Post by: JT on Sep 29, 2004 at 04:14 PM
With SONY having COLUMBIA TRI-STAR and now taking MGM studio, it is now in a very good position to promote this new format giving no chioce to other brands but to jump in its bandwagon.






   
Title: Re: Sony to release Blu-Ray movies on year 2006, what do you think about it?
Post by: hemisphere on Sep 29, 2004 at 09:40 PM
agree.. the industry had it coming.. long before Sony won the bidding, they have been releasing most of the soundtracks of MGM films.. i think this whole take over thing is purely for press release purposes.  yes,  bandwagon effect and market leadership are words the other industry players should need to learn and cope with later on.

Sony enjoys playing Monopoly.. though i'm hoping that this takeover would favor consumers' advantage.. or at least disguise it..


 :( :) ::)

Title: Re: Sony to release Blu-Ray movies on year 2006, what do you think about it?
Post by: hemisphere on Sep 30, 2004 at 01:11 AM
something to smile about... from dvdtalk



DTS selected as mandatory Audio format for Blu-Ray & HD-DVD

Press Release:
Agoura Hills, Calif. (September 27, 2004) -- DTS (Digital Theater Systems, Inc.) today announced that its DTS Coherent Acoustics coding system has been selected as mandatory audio technology for both the Blu-ray Disc (BD) and High Definition Digital Versatile Disc (HD-DVD), the two next generation high-definition disc formats for home video. In addition to the Company's core technology, DTS' extension technologies have also been selected as options. Encompassing higher data rates, lossless operation and additional channels, DTS' extension technologies, identified by the DVD Forum (HD-DVD) and Blu-ray Disc Association collectively as DTS++, have been approved as optional features on both HD-DVD and Blu-ray Disc. DTS++ is also the only lossless audio technology selected for both disc formats.

"As a mandatory technology in the next generation standards, a DTS decoder will be built into every next generation player that incorporates either HD-DVD or Blu-ray Disc, therefore allowing content providers the freedom to choose the audio technology best suited for their needs," said Jon Kirchner, President and CEO of DTS. "We are both excited and pleased, and believe that this is a vote of confidence in DTS' technology and market leadership. Although we do not expect to see revenue until the next generation products become available, we believe the mandatory inclusion sets the stage for a very positive future."

"Over the past several years, we have seen a marked increase in DVD titles that include DTS soundtracks, and we expect this number to accelerate as DTS becomes an audio standard for next generation formats," said Patrick Watson, Senior Vice President, Strategy and Business Development at DTS. "The mandatory inclusion of DTS in both the HD-DVD and Blu-Ray standards demonstrates the industry's support for value-added DTS audio technologies. At the same time, DTS remains committed to artists, consumers and the industry by continuing our tradition of developing new technologies that offer superior performance and backwards compatibility."


DTS Coherent Acoustics
DTS Coherent Acoustics, first introduced into the market in 1996, was designed to be both extensible and backward-compatible based on its core + extension structure. Subsequent extensions to the original 5.1-channel format were an additional discrete channel for 6.1-channel audio (DTS-ES), and a 96 kHz sampling rate for high-resolution audio (DTS 96/24). DTS audio tracks using either of these enhancements can be played on any existing DTS decoder, making them compatible with more than 280 million DTS-licensed consumer electronics products today, with advanced decoders able to play the extension data.

Now, with the extra space and bandwidth afforded by HD-DVD and Blu-ray Disc, content providers and consumers alike can appreciate DTS audio tracks encoded at data rates greater than 1.5 Mbit/s, all the way to fully lossless operation - meaning that the soundtrack is bit-for-bit identical to the master. Both the mandatory DTS core technology, as well as optional higher sampling rates such as DTS 96/24 and additional channels up to 7.1, enable both Blu-ray Disc and HD-DVD formats to offer DTS' premium audio quality to consumers while retaining compatibility with all existing DTS decoders. This is the only approved coding system offering this range of performance yet maintaining full backward compatibility, therefore allowing a single audio track to provide advanced features and to support the large population of existing multi-channel preamps and receivers.

HD-DVD and Blu-ray Discs are next generation packaged media formats with large storage capacity capable of delivering high-definition video in addition to other advanced technologies for an enhanced consumer experience.



 8)
Title: Re: Sony to release Blu-Ray movies on year 2006, what do you think about it?
Post by: barrid on Sep 30, 2004 at 04:30 AM
j. Whichever  my favorite genre supports will get my vote!   ::) ;D

If I remember this right. At first, Sony and Disney did not gave their full support on DVD format until the one major flaw had been fixed. i.e. piracy..... ::)
Title: Re: Sony to release Blu-Ray movies on year 2006, what do you think about it?
Post by: wrAth on Oct 05, 2004 at 10:00 AM
From this week's Time Asia....

(http://a740.g.akamai.net/f/740/606/1d/image.pathfinder.com/time/asia/magazine/2004/1004/dvd.jpg)
Attack of the Blue Lasers
Electronics companies are at war over next-generation DVDs   
BY JIM FREDERICK | TOKYO
http://www.time.com/time/asia/magazine/article/0,13673,501041004-702197-1,00.html

Monday, Sep. 27, 2004
With their neon glow, pneumatic whoosh and blastastic destructive force, lasers are the preferred weapons for sci-fi movie heroes when the fate of the galaxy hangs in the balance. But here on Earth, lasers—which in more humble household varieties nestle deep inside your DVD player, reading data from the discs—are at the center of an epic movie battle of another kind: an escalating showdown among Japan's giant electronics manufacturers over the next generation of DVD technology. This fight may not decide the future of humankind, but the stakes are plenty high. The winners may be able to chart the course of the video industry for years to come, dictating the type of technology that goes inside your next home entertainment system while reaping billions of dollars in licensing royalties.

You may not think there is anything wrong with current video discs. But electronics engineers are busily inventing new families of smarter, more computer-like media devices that will not just play movies but will also make it easier to record television shows and store music, digital-photo albums and home videos—and DVDs as we know them just aren't up to the task. Instead, high-volume discs that are the same size as DVDs yet can hold over five times more information are being developed.

Engineers, however, rarely agree on the best migration routes when it's time to move to a new technology. The industry has settled on this much: the hardware used in current DVD players, which emit red-laser beams to read data, should be replaced with gear that uses blue lasers. That's because a blue laser's narrower, more efficient beam enables far more information to be packed onto discs. Blue-laser DVDs promise sharper picture quality suitable for display on advanced flat-screen high-definition TVs and computer monitors. Previously, they were too expensive and unreliable to go in mass-market electronics, but a recent breakthrough in the materials that make up blue-laser diodes (the light-emitting component) has made them commercially viable.
 
But in a dustup that harks back to the VHS-vs.-Betamax standards showdown at the dawn of the VCR era, the industry has splintered into two warring camps over how best to implement blue-laser technology. Spearheading one group is Sony, which promotes a technology it calls Blu-ray. Sony senior vice president Kiyoshi Nis**tani, a battle-tested engineer who heads up the Blu-ray initiative, says his company began work on the new technology four years ago and quickly enlisted Matsus**ta (best known for its Panasonic brand), Philips and Pioneer, among others, as allies in its cause. All was going well, he claims, until Toshiba decided to ruin the party. "We have had many, many meetings with Toshiba," Nis**tani says. But when it came to explaining the benefits of joining the alliance to his counterparts at Toshiba, he adds with a shake of his head, "we could not get them to understand."

Toshiba's DVD executives, led by an equally legendary veteran, senior vice president Hisashi Yamada, cheerfully admit that they spurned the Blu-ray consortium's advances and decided to develop their own HD-DVD technology instead. The proud victor over Sony in setting the standards of the first generation of DVDs in the 1990s, Toshiba is unwilling to meekly follow the competition. Yamada seems to delight in playing spoiler in the face of what many at Toshiba perceive as Sony's arrogance. "The way of Sony is very simple," says Yamada. "'Our format is best,' they say. 'You should adopt it,' they say. Only that. No compromise." But, he adds with a mischievous grin, "We do not think Sony's is the right technology at the right time. We think ours is better."

Although both Blu-ray and HD-DVD machines will play current DVDs (your movie collection is safe), Sony says Blu-ray represents a quantum leap in technology appropriate to the dawning age of high-definition displays and the blurring of what used to be pronounced differences between digital computers and analog TV sets. Sony is fond of pointing out that single-sided Blu-ray discs can hold two-thirds more data than Toshiba's single-sided HD-DVDs. Yukinori Kawauchi, general manager of Sony's video-planning division, derides HD-DVD as "a half step." Blu-ray is, he says, the "final evolution of optical-disc technology."

Toshiba executives, on the other hand, criticize Sony for what they consider its disregard for the consumer, who is assumed to be forever willing to pay higher prices for snazzy technology. They point to a number of impressive Sony innovations—including Betamax, Mini Discs and Memory Sticks for PDAs—that Sony tried to force on the world but that failed to become industry standards because too few consumers and companies were impressed enough to fork out. "They have a long history of doing this," says Yamada. He insists that proven viability and low costs are the advantages that really matter. Toshiba claims that HD-DVD production lines are easier and cheaper to set up and that as a result prerecorded HD-DVDs will cost only 10% more than current DVDs, a fraction of what they say prerecorded Blu-ray discs will initially cost. Sony, at this point, won't forecast costs, except to say that prices will fall dramatically as sales increase.

Toshiba plans to sell its first HD-DVD players for about $1,000, starting next fall. And Pony Canon, Japan's largest domestic publisher of read-only DVDs, has said it will start selling HD-DVD discs next year to feed these new devices. Sanyo has pledged to get their HD-DVD players down to the $400 range by holiday season 2007. Meanwhile, a few Sony Blu-ray disc recorders are already on sale in Japan for about $3,500. According to Japanese press reports, the Blu-ray machines are not selling very well so far, and Sony does not expect movies recorded on Blu-ray discs to be available until 2006.

So who will win? Sony has already enlisted 12 heavy hitters to its cause, including Dell, Hitachi, LG, Samsung and Sharp. Toshiba, meanwhile, trumpets the fact that Microsoft has pledged its next Windows operating system will be HD-DVD compatible and that HD-DVD is the only format to win approval from the DVD Forum, a trade association of 220 entertainment, electronics and computer manufacturers (including Sony). Sony, which likes to control the development of its own technology, says that the forum's imprimatur is not essential to victory.

There is, however, one thing that everyone agrees is essential: backing from Hollywood. Movie studios are a critical part of the DVD business, because they distribute their product on discs by the millions. Today, home rentals and sales can generate as much as 50% of a film's revenue. DVD rentals surged 55% last year while sales rose 33%. With business good, major studios have been slow to join the blue-laser debate. But they won't be able to fence-sit forever. According to Kagan Research, by 2008 half of American households will own high-definition TVs, on which regular DVD resolution looks noticeably lame.

To be ready with the software and hardware, studios need to start making decisions. "The vote is in Hollywood's hands," says Warren Lieberfarb, the former head of Warner Home Video and now a consultant for Toshiba.

Realizing this, the Blu-ray and the HD-DVD teams are now making trans-Pacific road shows almost monthly, desperately trying to woo the studios with remastered snippets of their biggest blockbusters and boasts about their comparative advantages. Sony's deal to acquire MGM, announced Sept. 13, is a key component of its effort to promote the Blu-ray standard. As a working studio, MGM is a shell of its former self, with no active, lucrative franchises besides James Bond. But it does have a catalog of approximately 4,000 movies ranging from Gone with the Wind to Rocky (boosting Sony's control of all the Hollywood movies ever filmed in color to more than 40%) and 10,000 TV episodes, many of which have not been fully exploited for the home market. "We are not buying a company or a building," said Sony chairman Nobuyuki Idei of the MGM deal, "but rather we aim to make use of the software assets." Putting all that content on Blu-ray discs could swing the DVD fight in Sony's favor.

Unless a clear majority of studios emerges, the consumer's nightmare scenario of walking into the video store and finding Spider-Man (a Sony movie) available only on Blu-ray and, say, The Matrix (a Warner film) available only on HD-DVD remains a possibility. Like the characters in a sci-fi war movie headed for the climactic battle, neither Sony nor Toshiba show any sign of backing down, and as their allies prepare for the final showdown, their blue lasers are set for kill.
Title: Re: Sony to release Blu-Ray movies on year 2006, what do you think about it?
Post by: pchin on Nov 08, 2004 at 08:20 PM
The format war is still on going & will be for many years to come similar to the DVD Audio vs SACD. Whilst many of the giant companies are supporting the BR, we cannot underestimate the potential of HD-DVD at this point of time similar to Dolby Digital vs DTS. Well, whoever wins......., we win....   ;D Personnaly, I prefer to use the term "HD-DVD". In a way, it's more compelling...just my 2 cents IMHO   :o
Title: Re: Sony to release Blu-Ray movies on year 2006, what do you think about it?
Post by: JhunDV on Nov 12, 2004 at 10:06 AM
I'll stick with DVD until the hype is over and the cost (BR/HD-DVD) reasonably affordable.  Another thing, I got to have a HiDef TV first to enjoy the benefits of either format.  So I'll enjoy what I have now (hardware/software) and wait till the dust is settled, or wait till I get rich.   ;D
Title: Re: Sony to release Blu-Ray movies on year 2006, what do you think about it?
Post by: shuttertrigger on Nov 12, 2004 at 10:12 AM
Man, are we doomed?  :-[ :-[ :-[
Title: Re: Sony to release Blu-Ray movies on year 2006, what do you think about it?
Post by: pchin on Nov 12, 2004 at 10:46 AM
Another thing, I got to have a HiDef TV first to enjoy the benefits of either format....wait till the dust is settled, or wait till I get rich 

Totally agreed!  ;D Also there's too much risk of getting one now esp HDTV-ready and a few years down the road want to hook up a new HDTV tuner, we might find that DVI (with HDCP-enabled) is the only interface available which will leave us no way to connect our expensive HDTV-ready display. In addition, the upgraded version of DVI, the HDMI connector, which can handle both video & audio, is beginning to appear on HDTVs. Yeah...wait till the dust is settled & the price go down further. This will give us sufficient time to save up pa  :D
Title: Re: Sony to release Blu-Ray movies on year 2006, what do you think about it?
Post by: JT on Nov 12, 2004 at 10:54 AM
Only two movies Im interested to be in Blu-Ray,  LOTR and Back to the Future Trilogy. The rest, I keep will still be in DVD.


Title: Re: Sony to release Blu-Ray movies on year 2006, what do you think about it?
Post by: pchin on Nov 12, 2004 at 11:22 AM
Only two movies Im interested to be in Blu-Ray,  LOTR and Back to the Future Trilogy. The rest, I keep will still be in DVD.

2 lang? What happen to Spiderman? I though everyone loves Spidey. Hehe bad boy Spidey....must have done something naughty  ;D

For me, I have so many.....but Fifth Element & Spiderman will be difinitely in my list!  :)
Title: Re: Sony to release Blu-Ray movies on year 2006, what do you think about it?
Post by: av_phile1 on Nov 12, 2004 at 11:24 AM
Seems to me the dust will settle on which format wins sometime in 2007.  By that time, Plasma TV will most likely settle to a price level around the $1000 range or lower as most consumers in the US and Europe will have been equipped with HDTV sets.  Then take another 2-3 years before the new formats appear locally with enough titles to choose from.  We're talking 2010 already.  By that time, the exchange rate may be around 70 to 1. I'd be the president of a company or have won the lotto already.  ;D (The latter preffered.  I wish.  ;D)  Then I can afford to overhaul my collection and set-up to the new formats.  ;D
Title: Re: Sony to release Blu-Ray movies on year 2006, what do you think about it?
Post by: AICRAG on Nov 12, 2004 at 11:24 AM
I'll "wait and see" first....
Title: Re: Sony to release Blu-Ray movies on year 2006, what do you think about it?
Post by: pchin on Nov 12, 2004 at 12:04 PM
We're talking 2010 already.  By that time, the exchange rate may be around 70 to 1. I'd be the president of a company or have won the lotto already.  ;D (The latter preffered.  I wish.  ;D)  Then I can afford to overhaul my collection and set-up to the new formats.  ;D

Yeah, there's a possibility that it'll reach 2010 but then again....something new will catch up e.g. Super Ultra HD-DVD??  :P After winning the lotto, guess you'll most probably set up your own in-house cinema na (with minimum 100 seats capacity)with the world's best video display & audio system! Then u start giving out invitaions to all PinoyDVD members to attend the Grand Opening pa Hehe  ;D   
Title: Re: Sony to release Blu-Ray movies on year 2006, what do you think about it?
Post by: JT on Nov 12, 2004 at 02:20 PM
2 lang? What happen to Spiderman? I though everyone loves Spidey. Hehe bad boy Spidey....must have done something naughty  ;D

For me, I have so many.....but Fifth Element & Spiderman will be difinitely in my list!  :)

Gusto ko lang yung may sequel na continous storyline.   Kung isang movie lang in a Blu-Ray eh dvd pa rin.




Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: barrister on Dec 01, 2004 at 02:38 PM
November 29, 2004 (1:04 PM EST)

Blue Day For Blu-ray: Movie Studios Back Toshiba's HD-DVD
By W. David Gardner, TechWeb.com

A group of movie studios threw support Monday behind Toshiba Corp.'s high-definition HD-DVD format and, thereby, drew a line in the sand against Sony Corp.'s competing next-generation Blu-ray DVD technology.

Siding with the Toshiba standard were General Electric's Universal studios, Viacom's Paramount, and Time Warner's Warner Brothers. All said they plan to offer DVD movies before the 2005 holiday season. Lined up against the Toshiba group are Sony's MGM studios and its Columbia TriStar Home Entertainment unit, as well as a number of other manufacturers. "     ...

xxx



Full text: http://www.techweb.com/wire/hardware/54200929
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: av_phile1 on Dec 01, 2004 at 02:56 PM
If not mistaken, Sony's MGM and Columbia Tri-star combined have more than half the world's box-office hit movie titles.  So they can go it on their own.  We could be  back for another  beta vs VHS episode.   ;D
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: bukoy on Jan 05, 2005 at 04:38 PM
Bibile ako nyan pag ang mga HDTV projection TV at Plasma display ay sing presyo n nga standard CART TV.  Kasi nakakapanghinayang naman kung bibile ka nyan na alam natin n napakamahal tapos gagamitin mo lang sya sa standard TV para kalang din nanood ng DVD nyan eh di mag DVD ka nalang muna? Well me option ka naman kung gusto mo syang mapanood in Hi-res mode ikabit mo sya sa monitor ng PC mo un kc can produce Hi-res of motion display un nga lang tiyaga ka sa 17"inch screen.  O di kaya hintayin nalang nating lumabas ang PS3/Playstation 3 which uses HD-DVD/Blue Ray Disc media...Im sure it also plays DVD/HD-DVD movies at least isang gastusan nalang diba?

http://stuffo.howstuffworks.com/blu-ray5.htm
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: jas on Jan 07, 2005 at 12:35 PM
from Yahoo Financial News:
Press Release Source: Warner Home Video

Warner Home Video to Release Over 50 Film Titles on HD DVD
Thursday January 6, 8:45 pm ET 

Home Video Leader Plans Release of New and Catalog Titles Beginning Q4 2005

BURBANK, Calif.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Jan. 6, 2005--Warner Home Video (WHV), which distributes the largest film library of any studio, will announce today at a press conference at CES 2005 that it plans to release over 50 new and catalog titles, including selections from New Line Home Entertainment and HBO Video, during the launch of HD DVD, the next generation digital video format, commencing in the fourth quarter of 2005.
 
"We're proud to continue our longstanding tradition of innovation and leadership in home video by debuting an exciting selection of new releases on HD DVD that will be accompanied by time tested favorites from our extensive library," said Jim Cardwell, President, Warner Home Video. "HD DVD is the future of home entertainment and is the format that will lead us into the high definition entertainment era. It will create new and exciting opportunities for consumers to enjoy their favorite movies, TV series, sports programming, children's entertainment, documentaries and other specialized titles with unprecedented picture and sound quality, advanced navigation and interactivity and increased security."

The press conference will feature a dazzling demonstration of HD DVD highlighted by an exclusive first look of clips from Warner Bros. Pictures pre-theatrical releases to be issued by Warner Home Video on HD DVD. These HD DVD clips will include footage of Christian Bale in Batman Begins, Keanu Reeves in Constantine and Johnny Depp as Willy Wonka in Tim Burton's Charlie and the Chocolate Factory.

"Warner Home Video's endorsement creates a deep and diverse base of content support for HD DVD," said Marsha King, Executive Vice President and General Manager of Warner Home Video. "It ensures that consumers will be able to enjoy an impressive collection of their favorite movies, TV series and other entertainment as they have never seen them before -- in high definition and with HD DVD's rich features."

Planned HD DVD releases from the extensive Warner Home Video library include such recent theatrical releases as Ocean's Twelve, The Polar Express, and The Phantom of the Opera as well as titles from the hugely successful Matrix and Harry Potter franchises.

New Line Home Entertainment and HBO Video, owners of such esteemed motion picture and television titles as Rush Hour series and The Sopranos respectively, also plan to issue releases in conjunction with their distribution partner Warner Home Video in support of the launch of HD DVD.

"New Line Home Entertainment has always been at the forefront of industry innovation, and our involvement in the launch of HD DVD signals our continued commitment to the evolution of home entertainment," said Stephen Einhorn, President and Chief Operation Officer, New Line Entertainment. "In support of HD DVD and to provide consumers with a compelling new entertainment experience, we're planning to issue a selection of our most exciting films in the format including such titles as Se7en, Blade, Rush Hour and Austin Powers."

"HD DVD represents an exciting new development that will significantly enhance the consumer's home entertainment experience," said Henry McGee, President, HBO Video. "We are backing the launch of HD DVD with a line-up of releases from HBO's highly acclaimed programming including the first season of The Sopranos and the miniseries Angels in America and From the Earth to the Moon."

Warner Bros. boasts the largest library of any motion picture studio with over 6,500 feature films, 40,000 TV episodes and 14,000 animated titles (with over 1,500 classic animated shorts). The library includes such world-renowned franchises as Superman, Batman, Friends, E.R. and The West Wing, as well as such contemporary theatrical hits as Oceans Eleven, Mystic River and The Last Samurai. The studio is expected to announce the release of an increasing amount of its content on HD DVD as its involvement with the format continues.

http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/050106/65823_1.html
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: jas on Jan 08, 2005 at 09:35 AM
from DVD.ign.com:

HD-DVD Announces 89 Launch Titles
They're starting out with some good titles, too.

 
January 07, 2005 - This year's Consumer Electronics Show (CES) was starting to look pretty boring, with nothing but the usual hardware upgrades on display, but HD-DVD group made things a lot more interesting with the announcement of 89 titles for the format launch later this year.

Warner Home Video, which is spearheading the effort, will launch with 50 titles, and it's a much better collection than WHV used to launch DVD in 1997. The collection includes new films -- Constantine and Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, plus all three of the Harry Potter and The Matrix films.

New Line Home Entertainment, a Warner subsidiary, has a few premium titles on the list -- Dark City, Austin Powers: International Man of Mystery and Se7en -- big the big kahuna, The Lord of the Rings, isn't on the list.

The HD-DVD consortium also announced Thomson Consumer Electronics, which makes products under the RCA brand name, as its newest member. HD-DVD has been trailing Blu-ray in terms of OEM support, with only Toshiba, NEC and Sanyo announced as making HD-DVD drives, and NEC's drives are for PCs only.

Toshiba has announced it would begin delivering HD-DVD players and notebook PCs with HD-DVD drives in the fourth quarter of this year. NEC will deliver HD-DVD-ROM drives in September, and Sanyo will deliver HD-DVD players in Q4 of this year.

With the launch of Blu-ray pushed back to 2006, the Blu-ray group didn't have as much news at the show, at least for home theater enthusiasts. It did, however, have a big gaming announcement.

Since Sony's forthcoming PlayStation 3 will support Blu-ray, it should come as no surprise that Electronic Arts and Vivendi Universal, two of the biggest console game vendors in the market, have joined the Blu-ray Disc Association and will publish games in the Blu-ray format. That's a setback for Microsoft's Xbox 2, which has been leaning toward HD-DVD, but is not committed as yet. Microsoft will announce the Xbox 2 details at E3 later this year.

Complete list of HD-DVD launch titles:

Universal Home Entertainment titles:
The Bourne Supremacy
The Chronicles of Riddick
Van Helsing
Apollo 13
U-571
12 Monkeys
Dune
The Thing
End of Days
Backdraft
Waterworld
The Bone Collector
Spy Game
Pitch Black
Conan the Barbarian
Dante's Peak

Warner Home Video titles:
Above the Law
Alexander
Angels in America (HBO)
Austin Powers: International Man of Mystery (New Line)
Batman Begins
Blade (New Line)
Catwoman
Charlie and the Chocolate Factory
Constantine
Contact
Dark City (New Line)
The Dukes of Hazzard
Eraser
Executive Decision
Final Destination (New Line)
Friday (New Line)
From the Earth to the Moon (HBO)
The Fugitive
Gothika
Hard to Kill
Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone
Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets
Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban
House of Wax (2005)
The Last Samurai
The Mask (New Line)
The Matrix
The Matrix Reloaded
The Matrix Revolutions
Maverick
Million Dollar Baby
The Music Man
Mystic River
Next of Kin
North by Northwest
Ocean's Eleven
Ocean's Twelve
Passenger 57
The Perfect Storm
The Phantom of the Opera (2004)
The Player (New Line)
The Polar Express
Red Planet
Rush Hour (New Line)
Se7en (New Line)
Soldier
The Sopranos (HBO)
Spawn (New Line)
Swordfish
Troy
Under Siege
U.S. Marshals
Wild Wild West

Paramount Home Entertainment titles:
The Manchurian Candidate
Spongebob Squarepants
Elizabethtown
Coach Carter
Italian Job
School Of Rock
Sky Captain And The World Of Tomorrow
Forrest Gump
Braveheart
Ghost
Grease
Mission Impossible 2
Black Rain
Save The Last Dance
Sleepy Hollow
U2 Rattle & Hum
Vanilla Sky
Lara Croft: Tomb Raider
Star Trek: First Contact
We Were Soldiers

-- Andy Patrizio
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: pchin on Jan 08, 2005 at 11:05 AM
Wow..can't wait to have a glimpse those movies at such high resolution! :) Hmm...I wonder by the time those HD-DVD/Blu-ray players are available in our local market what would the market price like....  ;D

Other than the price factor, those who can afford to venture out such 1st generation players while the war format is still heating up....well, suffice to say it's a BIG-BIG risk?....  :-[
Title: Studios begin to announce HD- DVD titles for the fall
Post by: hemisphere on Jan 08, 2005 at 07:09 PM
Studios begin to announce HD- DVD titles for the fall


Paramount: Black Rain, Braveheart, Coach Carter, Elizabethtown, Forrest Gump, Ghost, Grease, The Italian Job, Lara Croft: Tomb Raider, The Manchurian Candidate, Mission Impossible 2, Save the Last Dance, School of Rock, Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow, Sleepy Hollow, The SpongeBob Squarepants Movie, Star Trek: First Contact, U2 Rattle & Hum, Vanilla Sky and We Were Soldiers.

Warner: Above the Law, Alexander, Angels in America (HBO), Austin Powers: International Man of Mystery (New Line), Batman Begins, Blade (New Line), Catwoman, Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, Constantine, Contact, Dark City (New Line), The Dukes of Hazzard, Eraser, Executive Decision, Final Destination (New Line), Friday (New Line), From the Earth to the Moon (HBO), The Fugitive, Gothika, Hard to Kill, Harry Potter and the Sorcerer’s Stone, Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets, Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban, House of Wax (2005), The Last Samurai, The Mask (New Line), The Matrix, The Matrix Reloaded, The Matrix Revolutions, Maverick, Million Dollar Baby, The Music Man, Mystic River, Next of Kin, North by Northwest, Ocean’s Eleven, Ocean’s Twelve, Passenger 57, The Perfect Storm, The Phantom of the Opera (2004), The Player (New Line), The Polar Express, Red Planet, Rush Hour (New Line), Se7en (New Line), Soldier, The Sopranos (HBO), Spawn (New Line), Swordfish, Troy, Under Siege, U.S. Marshals, and Wild Wild West.

Universal: The Bourne Supremacy, The Chronicles of Riddick, Van Helsing, Apollo 13, U-571, 12 Monkeys, Dune, The Thing, End of Days, Backdraft, Waterworld, The Bone Collector, Spy Game, Pitch Black, Conan the Barbarian, and Dante’s Peak.



http://www.dvdfile.com/




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nice line up!! :)

available na ba ang hd-dvd players sa market?   ???

Title: Re: Studios begin to announce HD- DVD tiles for the fall.
Post by: keating on Jan 08, 2005 at 07:19 PM
Whoa another format to hit the market  :o.....this is scary man. What should I do with my dvds? Might become obsolete in the near future. Tsk, tsk, tsk.........  :(
Title: Re: Studios begin to announce HD- DVD tiles for the fall.
Post by: edgar23 on Jan 08, 2005 at 08:11 PM
What will be the price range of these HD-DVDs??? 
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: DViant on Jan 08, 2005 at 09:42 PM
If you get a Xbox 2/Next you'll probably have a HD-DVD player too. So I'm guessing first gen players will be pegged at around $299.

If you have a HDTV display it is a must buy upgrade. I'm already making arrangements to get one.  O0

Good thing I didnt get the Matrix boxset. I'd be steaming right now. ;)
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: pchin on Jan 08, 2005 at 10:56 PM
If you get a Xbox 2/Next you'll probably have a HD-DVD player too. So I'm guessing first gen players will be pegged at around $299. If you have a HDTV display it is a must buy upgrade. I'm already making arrangements to get one.  O0
Good thing I didnt get the Matrix boxset. I'd be steaming right now. ;)

Yep many are indeed hoping Xbox 2 will feature HDDVD playback capability. So far Microsoft has said nothing official about any "new system". Let's see the "good news" will be announced soon....  ;) However, for movie purists, they will certainly prefer standalone players.  :D
Title: Re: Studios begin to announce HD- DVD tiles for the fall.
Post by: jeckjeck on Jan 08, 2005 at 11:36 PM
DANG! New format na naman!!  :P
Title: Re: Studios begin to announce HD- DVD tites for the fall
Post by: hemisphere on Jan 09, 2005 at 01:36 AM
warner home video's press release:

http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/050106/65823_1.html


not sure about price.. but i guess it would be more expensive initially...

 8)

Title: Re: Studios begin to announce HD- DVD titles for the fall
Post by: jeckjeck on Jan 09, 2005 at 08:32 AM
the problem is we would need to buy new players again! the optics needed to read HD-DVD are different just like the difference between VCD & DVD! the laser needed to read the HD-DVD is colored blue (thus the blue ray tag also) versus the current red laser for DVDs -- I read somewhere that blue laser is more refined but a lot more expensive to manufacture...  >:(

The display also may need to be HD also
Title: Re: Studios begin to announce HD- DVD titles for the fall
Post by: keating on Jan 09, 2005 at 12:31 PM
I hope that dvds are here to stay as long as new format arrive in the market. Just like the compact discs.

It will be difficult on our part if the current dvds will become obsolete like the beta tapes before.
Title: Re: Studios begin to announce HD- DVD titles for the fall
Post by: mccoy on Jan 10, 2005 at 12:56 AM
anong upgrade ng blue ray discs from dvd's?
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: DViant on Jan 10, 2005 at 02:16 AM
Yep many are indeed hoping Xbox 2 will feature HDDVD playback capability. So far Microsoft has said nothing official about any "new system". Let's see the "good news" will be announced soon....  ;) However, for movie purists, they will certainly prefer standalone players.  :D
I'm 99.99% sure M$ will go for HD DVD as one of their technologies (WMV9) is part of the standard. It would look silly for them to have BD-ROM based video console.

Lest we forget DVDs only took off in the mass market after the introduction of the PS2. ;) Before then DVD Video players were so expesive that it wasnt accessible to the masses.

On the flip side though HD DVD & BD will only replace DVDs if the price of HD displays drop significantly. What's the point to upgrade if you cant access the features that makes this format exceptional?

I find it odd that New Line will not come out with LotR on HD DVD. It would've sold more than Dark City, Austin Powers: International Man of Mystery and Se7en combined.
Title: Re: Studios begin to announce HD- DVD titles for the fall
Post by: jeckjeck on Jan 10, 2005 at 07:48 AM
the data compression of hd-dvd uses mpeg4 vs the mpeg2 used by current dvds  meaning more data can be fit into a standard disc thus clearer video and better audio
Title: Re: Studios begin to announce HD- DVD titles for the fall
Post by: RNIverson on Jan 11, 2005 at 08:32 AM
can hd-dvd players read our current dvds  ???
Title: Re: Studios begin to announce HD- DVD titles for the fall
Post by: classicman on Jan 11, 2005 at 09:35 AM
can hd-dvd players read our current dvds  ???

yup, these players are backward compatible hence they'll be able to read our current dvds, although i have read an article that says only those in anamorphic format can be played on this HD players, am not sure if this is accurate though..... 8)
Title: Re: Studios begin to announce HD- DVD titles for the fall
Post by: Maxster on Jan 11, 2005 at 10:15 AM
For the meantime, since there are gonna be two players in the market HD-DVD and Blu-ray, I wanna wait another year or two after these standards are released to see who makes it. Besides, HD-DVD owns 50% of the market and so does Blu-ray. It's a relief for me to know that New Line hasn't scheduled Lord of the Rings for the the HD-DVD release which gives hope that they might be waiting for the Blu-ray.

As for the manufacturing cost, all new technology cost a whopper in the first to second year of production since they're still trying to ROI on all the cost they incurred in research and development. As for the manufacturing cost of the new discs, it's only gonna be a minor fraction of a cost higher than current DVDs and would soon decrease to current DVD production cost in the future.

I support Blu-ray because I think it's a superior technology and there are more backers for Blu-ray.
Title: Re: DVD Killer: Blu-ray Disc
Post by: Maxster on Jan 11, 2005 at 10:22 AM
Can't help but think, What would be the feeling of having a scratched blu-ray disc with your favorite movies in it. ::)

Part of the technical protection they're offering for Blu-ray discs is its high resistance to scratches due to a special technology they applied in securing the disc surface. This is separate from the cartridge it comes in. They're applying a special film to cover the disc surface kind of like D-skin.
Title: Re: Studios begin to announce HD- DVD titles for the fall
Post by: Quitacet on Jan 11, 2005 at 03:18 PM
from DVDfile.com

2004: DVD Grows Up
by Mike Restaino

The release of Star Wars Episodes IV, V, and VI on DVD this year - inarguably the mass-market event that defined home entertainment in 2004 - may have made wonderful stocking stuffers for the grade-A plasma TV nerds in your extended family, but there’s something that most DVD aficionados aren’t acknowledging about this release: it’s the end of an era.

We all have our favorite films - big and small - and many of them are now available on DVD in one version or another (some are movie-only, some are mega-editions), but the Star Wars trilogy (notice how I don’t refer to them as the "original trilogy" - grrrrrr) is the last big-ass modern film to get a hunca-munca DVD release.

Think about it. A few years ago, your beloved DVDFile had a top-ten lust list that ranked the movies that had yet to appear in DVD format. Times have changed. People wanted E.T. - they got it. Indiana Jones - done. Even Gone With the Wind - the biggest inflation-corrected box office earner in the history of motion pictures - was on shelves in time for Christmas 2004.

There are very few left.

This means that DVD’s cute and adorable childhood is officially kaput. Those little silver discs we all love so much are now in full-blown adolescence, complete with acne attacks and pregnancy scares that come with the onset of pubescent development. Now that even chains like Blockbuster and Hollywood Video are almost entirely DVD-oriented, the format can no longer be considered a novelty item, but it must continue to generate heat in an ever-expanding market.
 
 
 
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: Quitacet on Jan 11, 2005 at 03:21 PM
There is an interesting (and lengthy) article about HD-DVDs from DVDfile HERE (http://www.dvdfile.com/news/special_report/features/year_in_review/2004/dvddilemmas.html)
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: pchin on Jan 11, 2005 at 03:43 PM
There is an interesting (and lengthy) article about HD-DVDs from DVDfile HERE (http://www.dvdfile.com/news/special_report/features/year_in_review/2004/dvddilemmas.html)

Good link Quentacky  ;) Yeah...it's scary to invest now esp the format war in ongoing. I wouldn't want to invest in any 1st gen players that's for sure... Not only it's expensive but also risky.... Well, let's wait & see the outcome.
Title: Re: Studios begin to announce HD- DVD titles for the fall
Post by: wanderlust on Jan 11, 2005 at 04:38 PM
nicely said Quentacky, you hit the nail right on its head. my hope only is that old age wont come to dvd's like a theft in the night.
Title: Re: Studios begin to announce HD- DVD titles for the fall
Post by: nicomd on Jan 11, 2005 at 06:30 PM
End of an era for DVDs?? Naah, I doubt it. Maybe in the U.S. it may come sooner, but remember that ours is  third world country. Just look at how those VCDs are still selling like pancakes at P75 to P150 each here in the Philippines, even if they are obsolete in the U.S.

In my opinion, the DVD craze is just beginning here in the Philippines,  with all those unbranded DVD players being sold. The market is just shifting from VCD to DVD.  Even the latest releases still come out in VCDs way before the DVD format comes. (Yung ibang titles, wala pa nga sa DVD). In the next few years, we may see the slow phasing out of VCDs, so that most major releases will be out on DVDs. The good thing is that prices of DVDs will soon go down. (Remember when VCDs used to retail for P450 each?)
Title: Re: Studios begin to announce HD- DVD titles for the fall
Post by: classicman on Jan 11, 2005 at 10:04 PM
sir nicomd, i am more inclined to share your view on this matter :)
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: Mouldingo on Jan 12, 2005 at 08:05 AM
Additional news regarding HD-DVD and Blu-ray DVD, and how it may lose out to the consumers.

http://www.marketnews.ca/news_detail.asp?nid=342


 ::) ::) >:( >:( :'( :'(
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: bayonic on Jan 12, 2005 at 08:38 PM
Pioneer and Panasonic displayed prototype Blu Ray DVD players at this year's Consumer Electronics Show. Panasonic's model is reportedly already available in Japan ... priced around 2.7K USD.

Toshiba also displayed its HD-DVD prototype player .
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: cherubrock on Jan 31, 2005 at 01:28 AM
Here's a short but interesting article on the topic from BBC:

Data storage wars  (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/click_online/4216015.stm)

Apparently Blu-rays have more capacity at 50GB (as compared to 30GB for HD-DVD) but might cost more as they will require completely new manufacturing facilities. In contrast, HD-DVD is much more similar to the current format, which means the impact on price will probably be less. Blu-ray however, will have the edge with the release of the PS3, while HD-DVD has yet to be backed up by the major gaming companies. Both sides predict that their format won't become mainstream until around three years from now, at least. Nevertheless, both formats are already out in the market in Japan, with the US following sometime in the last quarter of 2005 and the E.U. in early 2006.

 8)
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: animated on Feb 02, 2005 at 09:05 AM
I'm 99.99% sure M$ will go for HD DVD as one of their technologies (WMV9) is part of the standard. It would look silly for them to have BD-ROM based video console.

actually, even blu-ray will use the new Microsoft VC-1 video codec. so whichever format wins, MS also wins. since EA and Vivendi showed support for blu-ray, it's quite possible that the next XBox will use blu-ray. But then again they can choose hd-dvd just to keep things interesting.  :)

on another note, there was an article i read earlier in january about how the Adult entertainment industry usually has the greatest influence on new technologies. bittorrent was first tested by releasing a few "adult" videos, and look at where bittorrent is now. so this notion isn't all that crazy. if you guys haven't read the article here's the link: http://news.zdnet.com/2100-1040_22-5518574.html?tag=zdfd.newsfeed

now, i'm just curious when one of the formats does succeed DVD, will pinoyDVD's name change as well?

hmm... pinoyHD? pinoyBD? doesn't have quite the same ring to it.... but heck... we'll cross that bridge when we get to it.  ;)

Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: cherubrock on Feb 07, 2005 at 12:23 PM
Another article on HD-DVD from the Samsung website:

Beyond Standard: High Definition DVD (http://www.samsung.com/ph/MyGuide/hent/hent022.asp?it=ln_hent/hent023.asp)

So do we really need an upgrade?  ;)
Title: HD-DVD - If this is true, no thanks
Post by: daigoro on Apr 02, 2005 at 12:30 AM
just read this article in dvdfile - Protecting Content on High Definition Discs
http://dvdfile.com/news/viewpoints/editors_desk/2005/04_01.html
if this is true, i don't think upgrading will be worth it. Aside from the loss of privacy, the information that they will be collecting from each buyer is potentially dangerous as the recent data thefts in the US have shown. Also, the standard they are using is not going to be compatible with the current standards. the MPAA has gone too far. I stick to my Standard definition dvds if this is going to happen.
Also, after the problems i had with re-activating a crashed Windows XP installation in a notebook, DRM is going to be a pain.
Title: Re: HD-DVD - If this is true, no thanks
Post by: cherubrock on Apr 02, 2005 at 08:46 PM
After reading the article, I actually hope it's true so that it discourages the newer format from gaining a foothold in the market!  ;D
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: jeckjeck on Apr 18, 2005 at 07:21 PM
Saw a very nice feature on this on BBC... Blu-Ray versus HD-DVD... They rated the 2 formats using 5 criteria -- Price, Capacity, Availability, Games Applications, and Movie Applications...

Blu-Ray by Sony / Philips won on Capacity at close to 50GB and boasting a possible 100+GB by next year (HD-DVD has 23GB) and Games Applications since it will leverage Sony's stranglehold on the market with the PS3 scheduled for next year... the new XBox will still use the DVD format

HD-DVD by Toshiba / NEC won on Price and Availability as the 2 major players will leverage the PC market late this year for their HD-DVD format... Blu-Ray may not come out till next year.. On Price, HD-DVD will be using the same factories and production lines they have now to manufacture the discs as well as the hardware needed to play them but Blu-Ray requires the creation of new equipment thus the higher price...

On movies -- this is the good news for us --- no format has come out as dominant with studios divided between the 2. Also, studios are not willing to come out full blast on any new format until dominance is determined... ;D
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: slowhand on Apr 22, 2005 at 08:29 AM
Blu-Ray, HD-DVD to unite? (http://japantoday.com/e/?content=news&cat=3&id=334897)
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: nate on May 07, 2005 at 04:43 AM
This 2 new format will be as good for archiving purposes...HD movies are eye candy but the best thing about this 2 new format is the ability to bring your dvd collections anywhere on a single disc (probably more if you have a large collection). I won't be throwing out my dvd collection, with more data storage capacity and cheaper prices coming out. It's a good thing to copy everything in your hard drive or your own personal server at home...in that way you could have the ability to stream your movies in your room, the bathroom, or in your own garden.

Wired has put out a nice article about this 2 new format and brought out the argument of movie web distribution. This is a must read article before proceeding further on which format will win the dvd battle.

http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/13.04/start.html?pg=2

An online filmfest called Cinequest is showcasing their film thru video streaming. Imagine the future being able to buy only a license or a right to a movie and be able to watch it anywhere by streaming the movie through it's server.

Wouldn't that be easier than bringing a shiny little disc?

Another problem that I encounter is that when I planned to migrate to another country, one question arise is that: which of this dvd's would I bring along wtih me?

I only have a small collection of dvd's, with only 60 dvd's and almost a hundred of vcd's but I already dread the idea of only bringing a small portion of my collection with me.

But with the ability of archiving it along on a firewired hard disk I'd be able to bring not just my dvd collection but my entire music (uncompressed) and files along..and as web servers and broadband connection is getting cheaper and better. DVD's in the future is just another display on our shelf :D but that doesn't mean I'd stop buying dvds now.
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: slowhand on May 10, 2005 at 10:08 AM
SEATTLE (Reuters) - Japan's
Sony Corp (SNE.N). (6758.T) and Toshiba Corp. (6502.T) are close to finalizing a plan to develop a common standard for next-generation DVDs to resolve a three-year-long battle over formats that threatened the industry's growth, a Japanese newspaper reported on Monday.

A detailed plan could be unveiled ahead of a key meeting of manufacturers involved in the manufacture of next-generation DVDs scheduled for May 16, the Nihon Keizai Shimbun said.

Sony, along with Matsucrapa Electric Industrial Co. Ltd. (6752.T), maker of Panasonic brand products, had been pushing for the standard it calls Blu-ray, while Toshiba, with NEC Corp. (6701.T) and Sanyo Electric Co. Ltd. (6764.T), has been promoting a technology called HD DVD.

Both sides have indicated that a new, unified format will use Sony's technology for recording information onto an optical disk while Toshiba will supply software that will handle efficient data transfer and copyright protection.
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: av_phile1 on May 10, 2005 at 12:58 PM
Good for us consumers that they're finally coming to a deal of sorts. 

Data storage capacities are tripling and getting cheaper per MB.  Likewise, telecomms bandwidth is getting cheaper.  So I don't know which would eventually be more efficient and cost-effective - putting all my video collection content on the hard drive of a server or subscribing to Video on Demand via a broadband internet connection.   Or both.
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: viper on May 12, 2005 at 10:50 AM
I am now confused.

excerpts from an article i got this morning

HD DVD fuels format war
Toshiba fans the high-def disc discord

As the next generation of DVD technology inches closer, it seems the players are moving farther apart.
Toshiba announced Tuesday that its HD DVD format has erased the primary advantage of rival Sony's Blu-ray, the other potential format for the next generation of high-def DVDs.
The "tweak": Toshiba has devised a way to add 50% more storage capacity to its proposed format.
It also has developed an option to glue a standard DVD movie disc on the back of every HD DVD movie disc to overcome consumers' concerns about buying a movie that won't play on all the non-HD machines they own.
Announcement, which significantly advances the cause of the HD DVD camp in its war with the Blu-ray group, came just hours after reports from Japan early Tuesday indicated a unified format agreement was imminent between the two sides. A unified format agreement anytime soon now seems much less likely.
Toshiba, supported by Warner, Universal, Paramount and others, leads a camp that has developed HD DVD, which had offered 30 gigabytes of storage capacity (six to eight hours of high-def video) on a disc that's a variation on existing DVD technology.
First machines and movies have been announced for release in time for the holidays this year, though many are skeptical that timeline can be met. With the announcement Tuesday, Toshiba says a triple-layer HD DVD disc will increase capacity to 45 GB on a single-sided disc, or as much as 12 hours of high-def content. The double-disc hybrid option would offer a dual-layer 30 GB high-def disc on one side and a standard-definition 8.5 GB disc on the other.
Sony and Matsucrapa, supported by Disney and others, have created Blu-ray, a similar-looking digital disc using a proprietary technology that offers 50 GB of capacity. Launch is expected in early 2006.
The two formats are incompatible.
Fox and DreamWorks have yet to weigh in with their respective preferences and are not likely to do so anytime soon since a commitment at this stage would give none of the parties much of a strategic advantage. Fox is believed to be concerned about copy protection issues.
Both sides acknowledge that introducing two incompatible formats could be disastrous, causing consumer and retail confusion and possibly killing chances altogether for the adoption of a new high-def disc format, especially as electronic and wireless delivery of movies is gaining popularity.
Game for integration
At stake is a financial cut and control of the disc on which consumers spend tens of billions of dollars each year to see movies and TV shows and play videogames. Sony is already planning to integrate Blu-ray into the PlayStation 3, while Microsoft is expected to announce this week that HD DVD will be a non-exclusive component of the upcoming Xbox 360. Both next-generation gaming consoles will be used for DVD playback and home media networking.
Last month the two sides began quiet negotiations on a potential compromise. They are scheduled to hold meetings in Tokyo starting Monday.
Just prior to Toshiba's announcement Tuesday, the company issued a statement debunking reports from the Japanese media that an agreement was at hand. A short while later the company made its announcement about the two revisions to its proposed HD DVD format.
The HD DVD camp said Tuesday's announcement was aimed at swaying Disney over to the HD DVD side. Disney has no stake in underlying technology patent fees and has said its support of Blu-ray was non-exclusive in hopes that a single standard could emerge. But Disney has been vocal in its preference for the increased capacity of Blu-ray for the purposes of including more content and more interactivity.
Just pre-confab spin?
Officials at Disney and Sony had no official comment Tuesday, but sources within the Blu-ray camp dismissed the Toshiba announcement as rhetoric and strategic positioning on the eve of a Media Tech Expo in Las Vegas and just ahead of the meetings in Japan next week. None of the new technologies announced by Toshiba has been seen or approved by any of the necessary parties.
"We're pleased they're finally acknowledging more capacity is very important, but what they're talking about is theoretical and down-the-road," said Andy Parsons, senior VP of advanced products at Blu-ray backer Pioneer. "This doesn't help the chances for unification."
A spokesman for Toshiba acknowledged that the timing of the announcement was geared to Media Tech and that the technologies announced Tuesday would have to be approved by the DVD Forum, which could mean these optional components of the HD DVD may not be ready in time for the planned fourth-quarter launch.
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: av_phile1 on May 12, 2005 at 11:12 AM
Also saw this Toshiba development at CNN just last night.  That made think how it squares with the earlier pronoucements of a possible compromise agreement between the two formats.  Still hoping.
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: pchin on May 12, 2005 at 11:20 AM
Toshiba denies rumours of HD DVD unification agreement

Yesterday word started to spread about the possibility of the two next-gen HD formats having reached an agreement to unify their efforts into one format. But before we could even get round to revealing this, we received the following, depressingly firm rebuttal from Toshiba. The only good news, in fact, is the hint of a higher capacity HD disc slipped in at the end…

”TOKYO - A press report was released today regarding the potential unification of the next generation HD formats. The following is Toshiba’s comment on the report:

Toshiba believes a single format for next generation DVD is most beneficial for consumers, and we are actively participating in talks towards format unification. At this point however, nothing has been decided and absolutely no decision has been made for unification on any basis. The indication that a unification agreement on the basis of a 0.1mm disc system is imminent is unfounded and erroneous. Given this, Toshiba does not intend to make any proposal on unification to the members of the HD DVD Promotion Group.

We recognize that the key factors for a unified format are large capacity, reasonable cost and backward compatibility with DVD that maximizes consumer benefit.

Toshiba will present a new higher capacity HD DVD-ROM disc at Media-Tech Expo 2005 in Las Vegas, USA, the optical disc manufacturing industry’s leading annual trade show.

Toshiba will continue to be engaged in the dialogue on format unification."

From Home Cinema News
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: DViant on May 13, 2005 at 08:30 PM
The specs of the Xbox 360 was announced earlier today and sad to say no HD DVD drive on this November's new console. It does support HD conent via DVD-ROM disc. I was really hoping for an inexpensive all HD DVD player and next generation console in one.

Those who have been itching to buy a HDTV display or already have one but arent able to maximize their sets now have a very good reason to get one. All Xbox 360 games will do 1080i and 720p.

For an easy to read write up click to http://www7.tomshardware.com/game/200505121/index.html

My analysis is HD DVD will probably not have as much impact as BD.

I am definatly getting the Xbox 360 though I would wait until the PS3 will come out. By then I am sure all the great games will be available and all the bugs trushed out.
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: DViant on May 13, 2005 at 09:10 PM
Welcome to the Colony. Video preview of the Xbox 360

Light - http://msxb.vo.llnwd.net/o2/ourcolony/TheColony_v2_300k.zip

Heavy - http://msxb.vo.llnwd.net/o2/ourcolony/TheColony_v2_750k.zip
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: bachwitz on May 17, 2005 at 01:17 PM
PlayStation 3 announced for 2006

............Sony also confirmed the PlayStation 3 will use Blu-ray discs as its media format. The discs can hold up to six times as much data as current-generation DVDs. It will also support CR-ROM, CD-RW, DVD, DVD-ROM, DVD-R, DVD+R formats. Sony also confirmed the machine would be backward compatible all the way to the original PlayStation. It will also have slots for Memory Stick Duo, an SD slot, and a compact flash memory slot. It will also sport a slot for a detachable 2.5-inch HDD, somewhat similar the Xbox 360's. Sony did not mention if the drive would be standard.




patay na ata. habang nagtatagal nawawalan nang linaw na magkaroon nang isang standard.

complete link --> http://www.gamespot.com/news/2005/05/16/news_6124681.html?q=1
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: av_phile1 on May 17, 2005 at 03:05 PM
Is high definition gaming the primary compulsion to get those plasma displays?
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: DViant on May 17, 2005 at 08:49 PM
In the Philippines the answer has to be a big, loud "YES!" Until now none of the local TV stations, cable operators, satellite providers have provide HD broadcasts but the announcement of these next generation consoles gives a very compeling reason to upgrade. Another reason to get a HD displays is the introduction of the Blu-ray and HD DVD formats that deliver HD content on easily produced optical media.

I took the time out to compare and contrast between the Xbox 360 & PS3 and I came to to this conclusion.

Xbox 360 has a CPU FPS of 45 GFlops*
PS3 has a CPU FPS of 218 GFlops

Xbox 360 has a GPU FPS of around 955 GFlops**
PS3 has a GPU FPS of 1.8TFlops

Xbox 360 has a combined FPS of 1TFlops
PS3 has a combined FPS of 2TFlops

Xbox 360 has a DVD-ROM
PS3 has a BD-ROM

Xbox 360 is WiFi ready
PS3 is WiFi built-in

Xbox 360 has 3 x USB 2.0 ports
PS3 has 6 x USB 2.0 ports

Xbox 360 has support for 4 wireless controllers
PS3 has support for 7 wireless (Bluetooth) controllers

Xbox 360 uses Memory Units
PS3 uses MS Standard/Duo/Pro, SD standard/mini & Compact Flash Type I/II

Xbox 360 has support for select Xbox1 games
PS3 has support for PS1 & PS2 games

Xbox 360 has support for 1 720p & 1080i display
PS3 has support for 2 480p, 720p, 1080i & 1080p displays

Note:
* Derived from CPU Game Math Performance of 9 billion dot product operations per second
** Derived from subtracting published Overall System Floating-Point Performance of 1TFlops with derived from CPU Game Math Performance of 9 billion dot product operations per second

Source:
IGN's PS3 Tech Specs (http://ps3.ign.com/articles/614/614682p1.html)
Official Xbox 360 Fact Sheet (http://www.xbox.com/en-US/xbox360/factsheet.htm)
Formula for Dot Product Operations Per Second to GFlops (http://lg-domain.blogdrive.com/)

If I were to pick between the two I'd go with the PS3 because it has a BD-ROM drive that could play BD video.
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: pchin on May 17, 2005 at 10:41 PM
(http://image4.play-asia.com/350/PA.32618.001.jpg)
PlayStation3™ Console

Features:   
    •    CPU: Cell Processor   
    •    GPU: RSX @550MHz   
    •    Sound: Dolby 5.1ch, DTS, LPCM, etc. (Cell-base processing)   
    •    Memory: 256MB XDR Main RAM @3.2GHz, 256MB GDDR3 VRAM @700MHz   
    •    Storage: HDD Detachable 2.5" HDD slot x 1   
    •    USB ports: Front x 4, Rear x 2 (USB2.0)   
    •    Memory Stick standard/Duo, PRO   
    •    SD standard/mini   
    •    CompactFlash (Type I,II)   
    •    Ethernet (10BASE-T, 100BASE-TX, 1000BASE-T)   
    •    Wi-Fi IEEE 802.11 b/g Bluetooth    
    •    Bluetooth 2.0 (EDR)   
    •    Controller: Bluetooth (up to 7), USB 2.0 (wired), Wi-Fi (PSP™), Network (over IP)   
    •    Screen size: 480i, 480p, 720p, 1080i, 1080p   
    •    HDMI out x 2   
    •    Analog AV MULTI OUT   
    •    Digital audio DIGITAL OUT (OPTICAL)   
    •    Supports PlayStation™, PlayStation2™ and PlayStation3&trae; discs.   
    •    Supports DVD Video and BD (Blu Ray Disc) Video

Description:
PS3™ combines state-of-the-art technologies featuring Cell, a processor jointly developed by IBM, Sony Group and Toshiba Corporation, graphics processor (RSX) codeveloped by NVIDIA Corporation and SCEI, and XDR memory developed by Rambus Inc. It also adopts BD-ROM (Blu-ray Disc ROM) with maximum storage capacity of 54 GB (dual layer) , enabling delivery of entertainment content in full high-definition (HD) quality, under a secure environment made possible through the most advanced copyright protection technology. To match the accelerating convergence of digital consumer electronics and computer technology, PS3™ supports high quality display in resolution of 1080p as standard, which is far superior to 720p/1080i.

With an overwhelming computing power of 2 teraflops, entirely new graphical expressions that have never been seen before will become possible. In games, not only will movement of characters and objects be far more refined and realistic, but landscapes and virtual worlds can also be rendered in real-time, thereby elevating the freedom of graphics expression to levels not experienced in the past. Gamers will literally be able to dive into the realistic world seen in large screen movies and experience the excitement in real-time.

PS3™ offers backward compatibility enabling gamers to enjoy these enormous assets from PS™ and PS2™ platforms.

*From Play Asia
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: pchin on May 25, 2005 at 04:26 PM
It's a real set back for those Xbox fans in the Philippines as the world largest software maker Microsoft Corp. is delaying the introduction of its much hyped game console Xbox 360 locally due to the country's poor broadband penetration and high software piracy rate.

Xbox 360 will go on sale in North America, Europe & Japan this Christmas. Hopefully, Philippines will follow soon  :'(
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: DViant on May 25, 2005 at 08:24 PM
If MS has the Xbox locally expect piracy to be severely curbed. Games wil be delayed weeks after their Japanese/US debut. Where did you get your news that a all major market debut will come out by Christmas? All available info indicate a November release for the US.
Title: AO-DVD
Post by: barrister on May 27, 2005 at 06:21 PM
End of an era for DVDs?? Naah, I doubt it. Maybe in the U.S. it may come sooner, but remember that ours is  third world country. Just look at how those VCDs are still selling like pancakes at P75 to P150 each here in the Philippines, even if they are obsolete in the U.S.

In my opinion, the DVD craze is just beginning here in the Philippines,  with all those unbranded DVD players being sold. The market is just shifting from VCD to DVD.  Even the latest releases still come out in VCDs way before the DVD format comes. (Yung ibang titles, wala pa nga sa DVD). In the next few years, we may see the slow phasing out of VCDs, so that most major releases will be out on DVDs. The good thing is that prices of DVDs will soon go down. (Remember when VCDs used to retail for P450 each?)

Good observation. 

Sabi nila 2 years ago, malapit na raw ang phase-out ng VCD.  But just look at the Astro branches now.  Di ba nabawasan ang mga DVD titles, at lalo pa ngang dumami ang VCD titles?


Saw a very nice feature on this on BBC...

Blu-Ray by Sony / Philips won on Capacity at close to 50GB and boasting a possible 100+GB by next year (HD-DVD has 23GB) and Games Applications since it will leverage Sony's stranglehold on the market with the PS3 scheduled for next year...

100+ GB?  Ang liit naman pala ng capacity ng lolo mo.  Wala 'yan sa lolo ko.

Ano ba ang capacity ng lolo mo?

800 GB lang naman.  ...



Iomega Patents 800GB
DVD Technology

May 25th 2005

Iomega have filed a patent for technology that could see the advent of the 800GB DVD.

The Articulated Optical DVD, or AO-DVD, using nano-technology to encode the data and therefore can pack much more onto the surface of a standard disc. The 800GB capacity that Iomega is talking about is 8 times greater than the 100GB Blu-Ray disc recently announced by TDK.

Full text:  http://www.dvdrecorderworld.com/news/223

See also: http://www.geek.com/news/geeknews/2005May/gee20050526030631.htm
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: Quitacet on Aug 10, 2005 at 04:26 PM
From DVDFile.com

Fox Declares for Blu-ray Disc

by Dan Ramer
FRIDAY, AUGUST 5, 2005

On April 6th, I reported that Peter Chernin, president the Fox Entertainment unit was quoted as saying, "We are trying to play both of [the formats] . . . against each other." And, that standard definition DVD has "one of the leakiest copyright protections known to man." There had been reports that Fox was more likely to declare for Blu-ray Disc, but was waiting to see which format is more secure. Well, on July 29th, 20th Century Fox finally declared its preference for Blu-ray Disc, citing a higher level of security.

If we revisit the concept that the most popular films have the power to drive a format forward, this is how the top one hundred films based on domestic gross are now distributed between the two formats.

(http://img360.imageshack.us/img360/5111/hd9xq.jpg)

Based on this metric, for all intent and purposes, the race is now a dead heat.

The HD-DVD camp quickly reacted, issuing a statement the next day:

"Today's announcement by 20th Century Fox regarding its support of the Blu-ray Disc format is surprising and misleading in terms of which format provides for more robust copy protection. The content protection system of HD DVD provides an equivalent level of security as the system advocated by Fox for Blu-ray. We also believe the Blu-ray disc format and proposed copy protection system may result in playability and reliability issues for the consumer. HD DVD provides robust, renewable and standardized content protection coupled with proven reliability, cost effectiveness and flexibility which is why many major film studios have announced support for the HD DVD format."

This implies to me that HD-DVD will apply AACS and Blu-ray Disc will quite possibly layer SPDC on top of AACS (see my article of May 18th about draconian copy protection measures). And I'm a little alarmed by two hints in the HD-DVD Group's statement that the threats and risks that I described in that column are not only quite real, but may be worse.

Note that the term “renewable” is mentioned. This likely refers to the ability of the content protection systems to revoke the keys of a title (rendering that title unplayable on your player) and revoke the keys of a player (rendering your new, expensive player inoperative). For those who read my May 18th column and posted opinions that I was being paranoid, HD-DVD's statement for the record clearly indicates that the film industry has every intention of exercising revocation options if they feel it's appropriate.

The other casual comment that caused me some concern refers to “playability and reliability issues.” What does the HD-DVD Group know about SPDC that we don't? Can it possibly be worse than we already know from published materials? I don't know about you, but the more I learn, the more uncomfortable I become.

And we still haven't been able to obtain an official, on-the-record confirmation or denial that early adapters will be left behind. So, at the risk of repeating myself, have you written the studios yet to express your concerns and displeasure? And to explain that you cannot support the new formats unless critical issues are addressed?

The issues are:

The abandonment of early adapters with displays having only analog component video inputs by denying them access to full resolution analog component video outputs.

The absence of a statement indicating the availability of a no-cost-to-the-consumer disc replacement program for revoked discs.

The absence of a statement indicating the availability of a no-cost-to-the-consumer firmware replacement program for revoked players.

See my column of April 6th for the names and addresses you'll need.

Previously published related articles:
High Definition DVD Dilemmas, January 2, 2005
Blu-ray Disc vs. HD-DVD, February 14, 2005
Mixed Signals, February 21, 2005
Another Leaf On The HDCP-HDMI-DVI Artichoke, March 7, 2005
Orson Welles Strike Again, April 6, 2005
Movement on the HD Disc Front, April 18, 2005
What the Studios Really Seem to Have in Store for Us, May 18, 2005
The Supreme Court Speaks, July 8, 2005
It Hits The Fan , July 22, 2005

 
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: maverickph on Aug 10, 2005 at 05:19 PM
Hmmm. It sound that this technology will be greatly used for corporate or business databases.  Sa pics palang medyo matatagalan pa tayong makakuha nyan.  Due to big capacity of disk it would be better for backups of data specially sa mga banks.  I could imagine how much is the new unit for this which is far more expensive to own.  Wag kayong mag alala darating din sa inyo yan pag marami ng made in china. he he hehe.  This technology will be too expensive to replace the current dvd on the market.  Dapat ma kontento na rin tayo kung ano man meron ngayon kung entertainment din lang hanap nyo dvd player and disk wont cost us big bucks at least lahat masaya.
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: bachwitz on Aug 19, 2005 at 12:16 PM

Lions Gate to use Blu-Ray DVD format

Thursday, August 18, 2005; Posted: 10:49 a.m. EDT (14:49 GMT)

   

LOS ANGELES, California (AP) -- Lions Gate Entertainment Corp. said Wednesday it will release movies and other content on the high definition Blu-Ray disc format when that technology launches next year.

The studio joins Sony Pictures, Twentieth Century Fox and The Walt Disney Co. as supporters of one of two next generation DVD formats vying to replace standard DVDs.

Both formats promise increased storage capacity and movie resolution superior enough to get top performance from high-definition television sets. And both would contain stronger anti-piracy protection, a key factor in the studios' haste to adopt a new format.

Supporters of the rival format, HD-DVD, include Warner Bros., Paramount Pictures and Universal Studios.

Blu-Ray was developed by Sony Corp., Matsus**ta Electric Industrial Co., which makes the Panasonic brand, and Philips Electronics NV. HD-DVD was developed by electronics makers Toshiba Corp. and NEC Corp.

HD-DVD players and films are expected to be available by the end of the year. Blu-Ray players and films are expected to be available in North America sometime next year.

Studios and consumer electronics makers are hoping to avoid a format war that would leave consumers confused and unwilling to upgrade to the new equipment needed to play high definition discs. Such a war ensued when the competing Betamax and VHS videocassette formats were introduced, and it was blamed for slowing consumer acceptance of videocassette recorders.

Industry officials are pushing this time for both sides to reach a compromise.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/TECH/08/18/nextgeneration.dvd.ap/index.html
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: JT on Sep 16, 2005 at 04:45 PM
Samsung Blu-Ray machine

(http://www.gizmodo.com/gadgets/images/samsung-bluray.jpg)

http://www.gizmodo.com/gadgets/home-entertainment/samsung-bluray-media-monster-125717.php

Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: jackryan on Sep 16, 2005 at 05:30 PM
Samsung Blu-Ray machine

(http://www.gizmodo.com/gadgets/images/samsung-bluray.jpg)

http://www.gizmodo.com/gadgets/home-entertainment/samsung-bluray-media-monster-125717.php



Pre, does the model comes bundled with the sampler ?

Cheers,
-jackryan 8)
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: pchin on Sep 16, 2005 at 06:17 PM
Wow this powerful beast has 400GB hard drive!  :o
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: JT on Sep 19, 2005 at 03:34 PM
Pre, does the model comes bundled with the sampler ?

Cheers,
-jackryan 8)

Not sure, di pa kasi available dito. Sana nga merong kasamang demo disc.  Pero, wala akong balak bilhin ito dahil Im targetting PS3 para sa blu-ray playback which definitely merong sampler.

Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: bachwitz on Sep 28, 2005 at 06:45 PM
Intel, Microsoft endorse HD-DVD
Deal means the Xbox 360-maker will not support the format used by the PlayStation 3.

Intel and Microsoft are combining their industry power in an attempt to make the HD-DVD format the victor in a battle over a standard to succeed DVD.


Typical DVDs today can hold 4.7GB of information, but two dueling camps are trying to establish a larger-capacity format that will allow for the recording of high-definition television and the backing up of more data. HD DVD, supported by a Toshiba-led consortium, is up against Blu-ray Disc, which is backed by Sony and others, including the two biggest personal-computer manufacturers, Dell and Hewlett-Packard.

Intel and Microsoft believe weighing in on the HD-DVD side will be enough to tip the balance. "We have a high expectation of having a single format, and that format is HD DVD," said Intel spokesman Bill Kircos.

There are several reasons the two companies went with HD DVD, said Richard Doherty, Microsoft's program manager for media entertainment convergence. Among them: HD-DVD requires that movies be copied to a consumer's hard drive, making it easier for people to send movies around home networks; the format supports regular DVD recordings on the flip side of the disc, letting people sell hybrid discs to consumers who have DVD players today but fear their discs will be obsolete.

"This announcement does little to shift the momentum that's been building for Blu-ray Disc," said Marty Gordon, vice president of Blu-ray backer Philips Electrics. "It has dramatically more support from the consumer electronics industry, the PC manufacturers and the games hardware manufacturing side, as well as strong support from movie studios, music companies and game software developers."

Blu-ray allies expect to launch their products in the spring, Gordon said, including support for both 25GB and dual-layer 50GB. HD-DVD starts at 15GB, but Toshiba last week announced a 30GB dual-layer disc. Toshiba plans to launch the first HD-DVD drives in Japan this year and worldwide in the first quarter of 2006, Doherty said.

The two camps have held talks to unify their formats, but so far to no avail, and time is running short, with products from both camps scheduled to ship in the next few months.

If the sides don't come together, a host of problems ensue: Consumers will have to make sure a rented movie or purchased video game is compatible with their drives and players; movie studios, video game manufacturers and video rental stores will have to stock multiple versions of movies; dual-format drives that bridge the format gap will cost more; and neither standard is likely to catch on as fast as if the industry had coalesced.

It's similar to the classic war over videotape formats, VHS vs. Beta, and a smaller skirmish that broke out more recently for rewritable DVDs: DVD-RW versus DVD+RW.

Even at this late stage, it's possible there could be a resolution. "We're very hopeful you could see a unified standard," Gordon said. "It has to be a format that offers the best of both worlds," though, and the Blu-ray camp isn't willing to yield on the capacity issue.

Microsoft also hoped for a resolution, but didn't see one as likely. "We're of the opinion that a unified format would be far preferable. But what was keeping us from the game was our hope for a long time for that to occur," Doherty said.

Gordon said that several of the advantages Microsoft and Intel cite for HD-DVD aren't valid. In particular, he said, 50GB Blu-ray drives are scheduled to ship this spring, with much more capacity than HD DVD's 30GB. And the managed copy feature that permits movies to be transferred to hard drives isn't "a key differentiating feature" of HD-DVD because Blu-ray employs the same Advanced Access Content System (AACS) content control technology, he said.

Both sides have support from major computing, consumer electronics and entertainment companies.

Besides Sony, Dell and HP, Blu-ray allies include Apple Computer, Electronic Arts, Panasonic, Philips, Samsung, Sharp, Sun Microsystems, Twentieth Century Fox, Vivendi Universal and Walt Disney.

HD-DVD backers include HBO, NEC, New Line Cinema Paramount Home Entertainment, Sanyo, Toshiba, Universal Studios Home Entertainment and Warner Home Video.

The divide splits Intel and Microsoft from some of their biggest customers, though. Dell couldn't be reached for comment immediately, but HP isn't changing course.

"HP remains committed to the Blu-ray Disc format because of larger storage capacity, broad industry support and the inherent compatibility that the recording format provides to our customers," the company said in a statement. "HP believes that this announcement from Microsoft and Intel is inconsequential for consumers because they do not deliver products into the marketplace (with a few minor exceptions)."

Blu-Ray has had problems delivering on its promises, though, Doherty said. "The 50GB Blu-ray disc is nowhere in sight. For now, HD-DVD is the capacity leader. And with the hybrid disc, again Blu-ray had a specification, but no actual implementation anywhere in sight."

That issue could cause PC makers to change their minds. "A year and a half ago, they had a really good situation," Doherty said. "Now the playing field has changed."

By Stephen Shankland -- News.com
POSTED: 09/27/05 05:38 PM PST
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: MAtZTER on Oct 05, 2005 at 10:11 AM
Microsoft/Intel Cite Inaccuracies Regarding Blu-ray Disc Format

PALO ALTO, Calif. and AUSTIN, Texas, September 29 - Worldwide computer leaders and Blu-ray Disc Association members, Dell, and Hewlett Packard, today addressed the inaccurate information cited by Microsoft and Intel regarding the Blu-ray Disc format.

"From a PC end-user perspective, Blu-ray is a superior format. It offers 67-150% more storage capacity, higher transfer rates, slim-line notebook compatibility, broadband connectivity and a proven interactive layer with BD- Java(TM)," said Maureen Weber, General Manager of Hewlett Packard's Personal Storage Business. "The technical merits and consumer benefits of Blu-ray Disc make it the ideal solution for HP's customers."

Virtually every computer company that has expressed a preference for a high definition disc format has chosen Blu-ray Disc as the superior format for computer platforms and applications. Top-tier computer brands supporting Blu- ray Disc include, among others, Dell, Hewlett Packard, Panasonic, Sony and LG.

"Every computer manufacturer in the BDA carefully reviewed both formats and ultimately chose Blu-ray as the superior solution for meeting customer demands and providing the best possible end-user experience," said Weber. "It is surprising that Tuesday's announcement is not aligned with that of the vast majority of the computer industry and is contrary to our consumer research."

Microsoft and Intel's announcement erroneously indicates that HD-DVD has an advantage in a number of areas. To set the record straight, here are the facts:

Capacity: Blu-ray Disc's capacity is 50GB. This will be available at launch for BD-ROM, BD-R, and BD-RE. This is 67% more than HD-DVD's 30GB ROM capacity and 150% more than its recordable storage capacity -- a critical issue for computer users.

Managed copy: Managed Copy is not a function of the optical disc format, but a function of the content protection system. The AACS content protection system, which is used by both Blu-ray Disc and HD-DVD, enables managed copy and network streaming functionality. It is not format specific.

Hybrid Disc: Blu-ray Disc was the first format to introduce a hybrid disc that could hold both high and standard definition versions of a movie on a single disc. The Blu-ray Hybrid Disc is the more elegant solution as it holds both versions of the film on the same side of the disc, which provides for easy labeling and greater ease of use for consumers.

Backward Compatibility: Blu-ray Disc players and recorders can and will support DVDs through the addition of red lasers in the hardware. In order to be backward compatible with DVD, HD-DVD must also include a red laser.

Interactivity: Blu-ray disc is built on BD-Java(TM), which leverages years of industry investment and experience in the set-top box, PC, and cell phone industries. BD-JavaTM provides a mature, robust platform for authoring and delivering unprecedented interactive capabilities to the user for movies, music, and games. BD-Java was selected over iHD, the developmental Microsoft technology used in HD-DVD. The BDA carefully compared both iHD and BD-J, and concluded that iHD didn't go far enough in providing a compelling feature set beyond DVD, while BD-J offered studios a much richer palette for providing a compelling interactive HD experience for consumers, particularly when a player is connected to a network.

"We are actively engaged with our customers who continue to tell us that features such as capacity, advanced interactivity, and industry wide support are of utmost importance when considering new optical solutions," said Kevin Kettler, Chief Technology Officer, Dell, Inc. "Based on this feedback and a comparison of the two formats, Dell has no doubt that Blu-ray Disc best meets the needs of computer users and provides the type of open industry standards needed to drive innovation and growth of the format across all platforms -- consumer electronic, personal computers and gaming consoles."

Audioholics.com
10/1/05
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: MAtZTER on Oct 05, 2005 at 10:59 AM

Toshiba's Latest Round of HD-DVD Woes


In what appears to be a double play on Toshiba this week, Reuters reported that Paramount has officially backed Blu-ray Disc (joining Apple, HP and Dell), while Toshiba found out it must pay nearly a half-beeeellion dollars to Lexmark in an intellectual property lawsuit.

Ouch. That's gotta hurt.

Jumping Ship - Paramount Endorses Blu-ray Disc
Let's examine the first issue... It's no surprise that last week held quite a bit of spin-doctoring from both parties, with Microsoft throwing it's intellectual weight behind the HD-DVD camp in defense of their spec and the apparent "vaporware" of some of Sony's Blu-ray disc storage claims. At the same time Paramount, a Viacom company, said it would release high-definition movies in the Blu-ray format (previously it had stated that it would release titles in the competing HD-DVD format). You can see how this apparent "jump-ship" would cause some concern for the Toshiba-backed camp. I mean, after all Paramount is no small studio and its willingness to embrace the competition is a pretty big hit. The question at this point is whether Paramount's goal is to release titles in both formats or if it is leaning more into the Sony-backed camp.

According to Reuters, in a statement released late Sunday, Paramount threw its weight strongly behind the Blu-ray camp but failed to mention HD-DVD at all. "After more detailed assessment and new data on cost, manufacturability and copy protection solutions, we have now made the decision to move ahead with the Blu-ray format," Thomas Lesinski, President of Paramount Pictures, said in the release.

Toshiba quickly scrambled to state that it "believes" Paramount continues to back HD-DVD, but that belief is based solely on prior comments made by Paramount officials in earlier press releases.

For what it's worth, the Sony Playstation 3 appeared to be one of the motivating factors behind Paramount's decision to board the Blu-ray bus. I guess that having a large initial launch of capable hardware is a compeling motivator for a studio looking to see that its investment in software has a sufficient launching platform.

Here's how the scorecard looks at present:

Blu-ray Disc

Paramount
Sony Pictures Entertainment
The Walt Disney Co.
Twentieth Century Fox
HD-DVD

Universal Studios
NBC Universal
Warner Brothers
Keep in mind that neither Paramount, Disney, or Fox have ruled out the possibility of also releasing titles on HD-DVD as well.

Go Directly to Bank - Do Not Pass Go
Losing one of your exclusive HD-DVD supporters is bad enough... Getting slammed with a $465 million punitive damages fine is enough to make you want to... well, you get the idea. In March of this year, Toshiba was ordered to pay Lexar $465 million in punitive damages after a jury in California found Toshiba had stolen Lexar trade secrets related to SanDisk flash memory. Toshiba held some hope that an appeal would change that ruling, but last Friday a California judge ruled that the jury's verdict stands and Toshiba must cough up the almost half-billion dollars. Needless to say, shares of Lexar stock jumped almost 10%.

Will this string of disasters spell the end of HD-DVD? Not likely. In fact, as the technology gets close to release the competition will only heat up, as will the spin. Keep your eyes peeled for more flaming rhetoric and technical gymnastics as each format tries to get a leg up while decrying the failings of its opposition.

To quote Highlander: "There can be only one."

- by Clint DeBoer

Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: aldrinpsx on Oct 07, 2005 at 08:00 PM
In the Philippines the answer has to be a big, loud "YES!" Until now none of the local TV stations, cable operators, satellite providers have provide HD broadcasts but the announcement of these next generation consoles gives a very compeling reason to upgrade. Another reason to get a HD displays is the introduction of the Blu-ray and HD DVD formats that deliver HD content on easily produced optical media.

I took the time out to compare and contrast between the Xbox 360 & PS3 and I came to to this conclusion.

Xbox 360 has a CPU FPS of 45 GFlops*
PS3 has a CPU FPS of 218 GFlops

Xbox 360 has a GPU FPS of around 955 GFlops**
PS3 has a GPU FPS of 1.8TFlops

Xbox 360 has a combined FPS of 1TFlops
PS3 has a combined FPS of 2TFlops

Xbox 360 has a DVD-ROM
PS3 has a BD-ROM

Xbox 360 is WiFi ready
PS3 is WiFi built-in

Xbox 360 has 3 x USB 2.0 ports
PS3 has 6 x USB 2.0 ports

Xbox 360 has support for 4 wireless controllers
PS3 has support for 7 wireless (Bluetooth) controllers

Xbox 360 uses Memory Units
PS3 uses MS Standard/Duo/Pro, SD standard/mini & Compact Flash Type I/II

Xbox 360 has support for select Xbox1 games
PS3 has support for PS1 & PS2 games

Xbox 360 has support for 1 720p & 1080i display
PS3 has support for 2 480p, 720p, 1080i & 1080p displays

Note:
* Derived from CPU Game Math Performance of 9 billion dot product operations per second
** Derived from subtracting published Overall System Floating-Point Performance of 1TFlops with derived from CPU Game Math Performance of 9 billion dot product operations per second

Source:
IGN's PS3 Tech Specs (http://ps3.ign.com/articles/614/614682p1.html)
Official Xbox 360 Fact Sheet (http://www.xbox.com/en-US/xbox360/factsheet.htm)
Formula for Dot Product Operations Per Second to GFlops (http://lg-domain.blogdrive.com/)

If I were to pick between the two I'd go with the PS3 because it has a BD-ROM drive that could play BD video.


Ill get them both.... ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: pchin on Oct 08, 2005 at 08:03 AM

Ill get them both.... ;D ;D ;D

If you have the $$$ why not? There will be no more arguing of which console to buy  :P Most likely majority will choose over PS3 due to its BD-ROM drive
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: av_phile1 on Oct 19, 2005 at 01:35 PM
From
http://www.dvdexclusive.com/article.asp?articleID=2372&categoryID=

This seems to be old news already, but I thought I'd post it for the information of everyone interested.   If anyone has an update on this, pls confirm.  Thanks.

SAMSUNG BRIDGES HIGH-DEF GAP
Promises dual-format player for Blu-ray and HD DVD
By Paul Sweeting  9/9/2005 

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With a marketplace format war looming, Blu-ray Disc Assn. board member Samsung Electronics said last week that it would hedge its bets by introducing a dual-format player next year that can read both Blu-ray and HD DVD discs.

The announcement was a first for a major hardware maker from either high-definition camp and echoed the growing unease throughout the industry over the contentious transition from standard to high-def video discs.

"We would welcome a unified standard, but if it doesn't come, which looks likely, we'll bring a unified solution to market," Samsung consumer electronics division president Choi Gee-sung said in an interview with the German edition of the Financial Times. "It won't be simple, but you'll see our solution in the coming year. Consumers will be too confused otherwise."

In a separate sign of friction, European replicators said last month they're concerned about being gouged on patent royalties by both sides in the format battle and filed a complaint with European Commission's anti-trust division.

Although speculation about a dual-standard player has been rife for months, the announcement from Samsung was seen as a blow to the Blu-ray camp, which had counted the Korean giant among its key supporters.

One of Blu-ray's key selling points in the contest for studio affections has been the support of an overwhelming majority of consumer electronics makers.

Among the Blu-ray Disc Assn.'s 140-member companies are such prominent hardware names as Sony, Pioneer, Panasonic, Philips, Sharp, LG Electronics, Hitachi, Mitsubishi, Thomson and, of course, Samsung.

By contrast, HD DVD's hardware support comes primarily from three companies: Toshiba, NEC Corp. and Sanyo.

Should other companies start hedging their bets, however, some of BDA's advantage could be lost.

BDA officials offered no response to Samsung's announcement.

Just how practical Samsung's plans for a dual-format player are is unclear.

Blu-ray and HD DVD rely on different optical elements, which would likely mean a dual-format player would need two separate optical assemblies, adding significantly to the cost.

It's also unclear how licensing terms for the rival technologies would apply--if at all--in the case of a dual-format player.

One possibility is that Samsung meant its comments to put pressure on the two camps to renew unification talks, which have been dormant for several months.

Samsung officials in the U.S. did not return calls for comment.

Licensing terms also were the focus of the replicators' concern.

Officially, the complaint dealt with royalty rates for standard DVDs, which replicators complain have stayed high, even as the price for pressed discs has fallen sharply.

But in comments to the European media, Guy Marriott, head of the Geneva-based International Optical Disc Replicators Assn., made it clear that the group has its eye on the next-generation formats.

"There will be new formats coming, and we feel it's important that a line should be drawn in the sand by regulators," Marriott told Reuters in Brussels.
The complaint alleges that the three patent pools for standard DVD--DVD6C, DVD3C and MPEG-LA--discriminate in the licensing fees they charge, in violation of European Union competition laws.

Through various cross-licensing arrangements, companies directly involved in the patent pools are exempt from many of the royalties charges that others must pay to manufacture DVD players and discs.

The replicators also allege that they are forced to pay royalties for patents that are not actually used in pressing prerecorded discs.

While the licensing terms for HD DVD and Blu-ray, along with their respective copy-protection schemes, have not yet been fully revealed, the eventual patent fees are considered the main prize in the format war.

That has IODRA members nervous about being the object of plunder.

"The time is right to put down some markers to say how these new technologies should be licensed," Marriott said.
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: seph1018 on Nov 23, 2005 at 12:04 PM
Sony Pictures has finally authored it's first Blu-Ray title. You'd think that the 1st title to be released would at least be a great movie...and what's the 1st Blu-Ray authored you may ask? Charlie's Angels: Full Throttle. Sana man lang Lawrence of Arabia. Oh well!!! ;D
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: pchin on Jan 04, 2006 at 06:52 PM
Here comes the Blu-ray and HD DVD content; studios announce first wave of titles for the high-definition platforms.

Press release; Michael McManus, DigiTimes.com [Wednesday 4 January 2006]

With Blu-ray Disc and HD DVD devices expected to hit the market this year, several movie studios have announced which movie titles will be initially launched for use with players supporting the next-generation high-definition platforms.

Paramount Pictures will release titles for both formats, while Twentieth Century Fox and Sony Pictures will release Blu-ray titles only, with Blu-ray sponsor Sony having the most aggressive plans for providing content this year.

Paramount Pictures Home Entertainment announced its upcoming slate of 10 titles for launch on both the Blu-ray and HD DVD platforms. Among the titles to be released are Four Brothers, Sahara, Aeon Flux, Sky Captain & the World of Tomorrow, The Italian Job, Tomb Raider, the music documentary U2: Rattle and Hum and Tim Burton's Sleepy Hollow. The ten title launch slate also includes We Were Soldiers and Manchurian Candidate.

Paramount stated it will continue to roll out Blu-ray and HD DVD titles throughout 2006 and beyond, including its series of three Mission Impossible movies.

Twentieth Century Fox Home Entertainment also announced its first wave of 20 feature films for the Blu-ray platform. The initial titles in development include Fantastic Four, The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen, Behind Enemy Lines, Kiss of the Dragon and the CGI-animated comedy Ice Age.

The company plans for the debut of its initial line-up of Blu-ray titles to coincide with the Blu-ray hardware launches in North America, Japan and Europe in 2006.

Sony Pictures Home Entertainment (SPHE), in conjunction with MGM Home Entertainment, will also release 20 Blu-ray titles. The list of titles include The Fifth Element, Bram Stoker's Dracula, Desperado, For a Few Dollars More, The Guns of Navarone, Hitch, House of Flying Daggers, A Knight's Tale, Kung Fu Hustle, The Last Waltz, Legends of the Fall, Resident Evil Apocalypse, Robocop, Sense and Sensibility, Stealth, Species, SWAT and XXX.

Black Hawk Down and The Bridge on the River Kwai will also be available on 50GB dual-layer Blu-ray discs this summer.

Starting this summer, SPHE will also deliver four catalog titles per month, accelerating to 10 titles per month by the fourth quarter of 2006. Also being readied for summer release is the complete television series of sci-fi favorite Stargate Atlantis.

Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: pchin on Jan 04, 2006 at 06:59 PM
Broadcom Announces First Fully Compliant High-Definition Decoder Chip for Blu-ray(TM) Disc and HD DVD(TM) Media Players

Tuesday January 3, 8:00 am ET 

New HD Decoder Chip is Based on Field-Proven Technology Developed for High-Definition Set-Top Boxes for Cable, Satellite and IPTV Applications

Full story: http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/060103/nytu115.html?.v=38
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: pchin on Jan 04, 2006 at 07:05 PM
Remember the Betamax. The smart money will wait out the standards war before buying a high-definition DVD player.
By Peter H Lewis, FORTUNE senior editor

NEW YORK (FORTUNE) - If you were lucky enough to get a fancy HDTV set, you're probably eager for a high-definition DVD player to go with it.

But remember the Betamax! A standards war in DVD players and recorders has the potential to render some of the first players obsolete.

Today's DVD players and recorders are based on red lasers, which read and write millions of little digital data pits on those shiny DVD discs. But the sun is setting on red-laser DVDs, because the relatively long wavelength of the red laser limits the capacity of a standard-size DVD disc, just as the world is making the transition to high-definition movies and television.

Blue lasers have a shorter wavelength, and thus can read and write much more data on the same-size DVD disc -- nearly 50 gigabytes on one type of double-layer blue-laser disc, more than enough for playing back a high-def movie or recording two or more hours of a high-def TV show.

Don't be a casualty of the standards war
Pioneer just announced that it will start selling blue-laser DVD drives for computers in Japan in just a few weeks, and in the United States by summer, making it the first to offer mass-market HD-capable DVD players and recorders to the public. Most of the major movie studios have promised to have a selection of high-definition DVD movies available when the new drives arrive.

It will take years for blue-laser DVDs to completely replace red-laser DVDs at your local Blockbuster, but as the world inexorably moves toward a high-definition future, red laser players are headed for obsolescence.

The big problem is that two rival camps are competing to set the standards for blue-laser DVDs, and, just like earlier format wars -- Betamax versus VHS, Windows versus Mac, XM versus Sirius satellite radio, et cetera -- the two formats, known as Blu-ray and HD DVD, are incompatible.

A majority of major movie studios and many of the world's leading consumer electronics companies are backing the Blu-ray camp, led by Sony. The new Pioneer computer drives are based on the Blu-ray format.

Toshiba and NEC are leading the charge for the HD DVD format, and its backers include Warner Bros., HBO and New Line (like FORTUNE and CNNMoney, all divisions of Time Warner), as well as the dynamic PC duo of Microsoft and Intel.

A number of consumer electronics, computer and entertainment companies are supporting both formats for now, hedging their bets until a clear winner emerges.

At this writing, the oddsmakers favor Blu-ray, in part because Blu-ray appears to have superior technical specifications and now has a head start over HD DVD in the race to market.

Blu-ray has a greater theoretical capacity than HD DVD (50GB versus 30GB for double-layer discs, as against 9GB for current red-laser DVDs), and Sony has said it will include a Blu-ray DVD drive in its forthcoming PlayStation 3 entertainment console, which, if the PS3 is as successful as the PS2, could populate the world with millions of Blu-ray DVD players and sway any holdout movie studios to the format.

On the other hand, HD DVD supporters say their format makes it easier and cheaper to manufacture drives that are compatible with previous DVD and CD formats, lessening the cost and disruption of moving to a new HD format.

That's particularly important in the cut-throat PC business, and one reason Microsoft, Intel and HP have aligned with the HD DVD camp. (Apple and Dell, the world's largest PC maker, appear solidly in the Blu-ray camp.)

Microsoft is building HD DVD support into its next-generation version of Windows, called Vista, and presumably it wants HD DVD drives to be available for computers when Vista rolls out later this year. We can expect to see HD DVD players and recorders for home entertainment systems appear in stores and in PCs in 2006, although the timing is unclear at this writing.

The bottom line
If you're not a big movie buff, and are happy with the quality of current prerecorded DVD movies, and if current generations of CD and DVD are sufficient for your backup and data transfer needs, sit tight.

The first blue-laser drives are certain to be expensive. Early adopters can expect to pay $1,000 or more for player-recorders, just as they did when red-laser DVD players were new. But today, basic DVD players are selling for as little as $30.

Think twice before buying the current DVD version of your favorite movie. Once you see the same movie in high-definition, your old DVD will look just as appealing as an old VHS tape.

And remember, blue-laser DVDs will be obsolete someday, too. I'm betting on high-definition video-on-demand services, 100-megabit Internet pipelines and terabyte-size home media servers to make physical DVD players largely irrelevant within a decade.

Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: jeckjeck on Jan 05, 2006 at 05:37 PM
nice article paul...

the future is here already... just visited Amazon.com and was surprised to see that they already have an
HD-DVD section!  :o
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: pchin on Jan 05, 2006 at 09:58 PM
O nga ya...The Toshiba HD-DVD player will be selling at US$499 (about P27k) & by the time it reaches in Phil will definitely over the 30k mark :(  Will wait for a while until the dust settle. Looking forward to PS3 with Blu-Ray capability. Hopefully, Amazon will have a Blu-Ray section too soon  :D
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: pchin on Jan 05, 2006 at 10:13 PM
Toshiba to sell high-definition players in US

TOKYO: Japanese electronics maker Toshiba Corp. said Thursday it will sell the high-definition player supporting its HD DVD format in the United States in March _ the first commercial launch of the product in the world.

The new HD DVD players - HD-XA1 and HD-A1, priced at US$799 (euro673) and US$499 (euro420) each, will hit the U.S. market in March - the first high-definition player commercialised in the world, the company said in a release.

Toshiba's move will heat up the battle in the high-stakes market for the next generation of video discs.

The HD DVD format, jointly developed by another Japanese electronics maker NEC Corp., is incompatible with its main competitor, the Blu-ray disc, which is backed by Sony Corp.

Both formats deliver dazzling images in high-definition video and can store much more data that today's DVDs, allowing for more interactive features, like enjoying a movie while simoultaneously watching the director discuss the scene.

Through extensive discussions and cooperation with major Hollywood studios, major retailers and other interested parties, Toshiba has "closely investigated the optimum launch date'' for the HD DVDs in the United States, the company said.

Toshiba said it has decided on the U.S. launch date of March, when major Hollywood studios are expected to unveil HD DVD movie titles.

"Going forward, HD DVD is destined to be a key driver for progress and the development of the consumer electronics, IT and entertainment industries,'' Yoshihide Fujii, Toshiba's corporate senior vice president and president of digital medial network company, said.

More details of the HD-XA1 and HD-X1 were to be shown at the Consumer Electronics Show, which opened in Las Vegas, Nevada, on Wednesday, Toshiba said.

The HD DVD is supported by Universal Studios, Warner Bros. and Intel Corp., as well as Microsoft Corp., which hopes its new Xbox 360 video game console will challenge the longtime dominance of Sony's PlayStation.

Blu-ray is backed by Apple Computer Inc., Hewlett-Packard Co. and Dell Inc., along with a variety of other tech companies and studios.

Toshiba spokeswoman Hiroko Mochida said the company has not yet set a date on when to sell the new HD DVD players in Japan, pending a copy protection issue.

Sony's Blu-ray video recorders are already on sale in Japan, and the Sony PlayStation 3 video-game console, which backs Blu-ray, is set to go on sale this spring. 

But it isn't clear when Blu-ray players and other models will be available. - AP

Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: wrAth on Jan 05, 2006 at 11:17 PM
nice article paul...

the future is here already... just visited Amazon.com and was surprised to see that they already have an
HD-DVD section!  :o

The future is here!

(http://g-images.amazon.com/images/G/01/dvd/hd-dvd/welcome-to-hd-dvd.jpg)
Amazon HD DVD Store (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/browse/-/16297241/002-4504459-2306446)
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: jeckjeck on Jan 06, 2006 at 12:26 AM
check out their upcoming titles line up:
 
  U2 - Rattle & Hum [HD DVD] 
  The Italian Job (2003) [HD DVD] 
  Four Brothers [HD DVD] 
  Lara Croft: Tomb Raider [HD DVD] 
  Sahara [HD DVD] 
  Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow [HD DVD] 
  Aeon Flux (2005) [HD DVD] 
  The Manchurian Candidate (2004) [HD DVD] 
  Braveheart [HD DVD] 
  The Ultimate Star Trek Movie Collection [HD DVD] 
  The Bourne Supremacy [HD DVD] 
  We Were Soldiers [HD DVD] 
  Band of Brothers [HD DVD] 
  Seven [HD DVD] 
  The Lord of the Rings Trilogy [HD DVD] 
  Batman Begins [HD DVD] 
  Friends [HD DVD] 
  Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire [HD DVD] 
  Terminator 3 [HD DVD] 
  The Aviator [HD DVD] 
  The Matrix Trilogy [HD DVD] 
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: pchin on Jan 06, 2006 at 11:18 AM
Good idea jeckjeck to list out all HD tittles. Pls update as new list make available  :)

Blu-ray:

Four Brothers
Sahara
Aeon Flux
Sky Captain & the World of Tomorrow
The Italian Job
Tomb Raider
Music documentary U2: Rattle and Hum
Tim Burton's Sleepy Hollow.
We Were Soldiers
Manchurian Candidate.
Fantastic Four
The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen
Behind Enemy Lines
Kiss of the Dragon
Ice Age.
The Fifth Element
Bram Stoker's Dracula
Desperado
For a Few Dollars More
The Guns of Navarone
Hitch
House of Flying Daggers
A Knight's Tale
Kung Fu Hustle
The Last Waltz
Legends of the Fall
Resident Evil Apocalypse
Robocop
Sense and Sensibility
Stealth
Species
SWAT
XXX.
Black Hawk Down
The Bridge on the River Kwai

Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: pchin on Jan 06, 2006 at 01:17 PM
Samsung to launch Blu-ray DVD player in U.S. in spring

(Kyodo) _ South Korea's Samsung Electronics Co. said Thursday it will market a next-generation DVD player based on the Blu-ray disc format in the United States this spring.
A group led by Sony Corp. developed the Blu-ray format. The Japanese consumer electronics firm plans to launch its own Blu-ray player this summer.

At the opening of the 2006 International Consumer Electronics Show in Las Vegas, Samsung said it plans to sell the DVD player for about $1,000.

The price tag is considerably higher than prices planned for DVD players compatible with the rival HD-DVD format.

On Wednesday, Toshiba Corp. said it will begin selling two HD-DVD players for about $800 and $500, respectively, in North America in March. 

 

Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: pchin on Jan 06, 2006 at 01:22 PM
Sony to Sell Blu-ray Players 3 Months Behind Toshiba

Jan. 5 (Bloomberg) -- Sony Corp., the world's second-biggest consumer electronics maker, will begin selling Blu-ray DVD players in the U.S. this summer, about three months after models using Toshiba Corp.'s high-definition format go on sale.

Blu-ray technology offers better picture quality and can store more data than standard DVDs, Sony said at a presentation in Las Vegas, where the Consumer Electronics Show starts today. It didn't disclose a price. Toshiba, Japan's fourth-biggest maker of electronics, will sell its HD DVD machines for about $500 and $800 from March, spokesman Mark Knox said in an interview.

Full news: http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000101&sid=aRwuFyvmwa.o#
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: av_phile1 on Jan 06, 2006 at 01:50 PM
Looks like we'll have a repeat of the Beta-VHS wars.  This time, there may not be any clear winner, as both camps seem to have strong marketing arsenal.
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: pchin on Jan 06, 2006 at 07:14 PM
Yep history is repeating itself. Many giant corporations are supporting BD...place your bet! This will be one intense format war!  Samsung intends to design a player with both formats. If that really happen...whoa Samsung will have hit the big time jackpot?   ;D
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: pchin on Jan 07, 2006 at 11:43 AM
Blu-Ray Backers Sony And Dell Claim Upper Hand Vs. HD DVD

Companies at the Consumer Electronics Show that back the Blu-ray Disc format for high-definition video discs downplayed rival format HD DVD's chances of winning in the battle to succeed today's standard-definition DVD format.

Blu-ray Disc has the upper hand because of its deep support from manufacturers and content suppliers, Dell contends. A Format That 'Dazzles'

"Six months ago, there was a format war, but I'm not sure there is one anymore," Dell told reporters at the CES in Las Vegas on Thursday. "We've seen the vast majority of the content guys go to Blu-ray."

Full news: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ibd/20060107/bs_ibd_ibd/200616tech01

Go BD go BD!  ;D
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: baby on Jan 07, 2006 at 12:24 PM
http://www.blu-ray.com/

am I too late to post this link?   :)   All the news are here though.
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: barrister on Jan 07, 2006 at 02:51 PM
News - HD DVD demo at CES Las Vegas!

Rivals Seek Entry in HD DVD Player Market


By GARY GENTILE
The Associated Press
Friday, January 6, 2006; 9:01 PM


LAS VEGAS -- It was supposed to be the grand unveiling of a new generation in home entertainment when Kevin Collins of Microsoft Corp. popped an HD DVD disc into a Toshiba production model and hit "play." Nothing happened.

The failed product demo at this week's International Consumer Electronics Show was hardly an auspicious start for the HD DVD camp in what's promising to be a nasty, drawn-out technology format war reminiscent of the Betamax/VHS video tape battle. xxx

 ;D Full text: http://www.smh.com.au/news/breaking/battle-of-hd-dvd-formats-about-to-begin/2006/01/07/1136387651217.html


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Let's face it: DVDs and DVD players are now so cheap that Hollywood and the electronics manufacturers are desperate for a new round of upgrades to revitalize their shrinking profit margins. 


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For fanboys who still can't decide between Blu-Ray and HD-DVD:

Blue Ray and HD DVD vs Holographic Storage    
Could Holographic Storage Represent the Future of Digital Media Recording?

11/29/2005 by Tim Bajarin

Could Blue Ray and HD DVD already be obsolete technology? That is the proposed claim in a recent article in Game Daily Biz. It gives an interesting overview of new holographic storage solutions coming from at least two companies that suggests that this new storage medium is faster, has more capacity and could eventually be cheaper for the customer. xxx

Full text: http://www.technologypundits.com/index.php?article_id=239

(http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/1/1e/160px-HVD.jpg)

HVD: the disc for UHDV content!        http://whatis.techtarget.com/definition/0,,sid9_gci932318,00.html
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: pchin on Jan 07, 2006 at 07:32 PM
What a big embarrassment for the HD DVD camp!  :P

Very interesting on the Holographic Storage HVD. Hmm...while the current two formats fighting over toes & nails....quietly another new format creeping from behind & emerge as the winner?  :D   
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: baby on Jan 07, 2006 at 10:34 PM
very interesting indeed for UHDV. "16 times as many pixels as HDTV" , "4000 scanned horizontal lines per frame. This compares with 1000 lines per frame in HDTV images, and 625 lines per frame in conventional analog TV broadcasts" , "18 minutes of UHDV programming requires approximately 3.5 terabytes of disk space"  :o
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: pchin on Jan 08, 2006 at 04:30 PM
Bad news for BD :(

HD DVD: Blu-ray Has Problems By Aaron Dobbins, BetaNews January 7, 2006

Having finished speaking to Blu-ray, BetaNews sat down with a representative from HD DVD to discuss how the Microsoft-backed format will compete with Blu-ray. Toshiba HD DVD expert Mark Knox gave a thorough explanation of the optical disc drive technology, and said that because of Blu-ray's complicated design, HD DVD will triumph in the format war.

Blu-ray's difficulties, Knox explained, begin with the technology itself, and the idea that its 50GB dual-layer capacity is superior to HD DVD's 30GB. Through the use of better codec technology, such space is not actually needed for high-definition movies. In fact, Blu-ray admitted to BetaNews that most discs won't go beyond the 25GB mark.

Full news: http://www.betanews.com/article/HD_DVD_Bluray_Has_Problems/1136673259

Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: pchin on Jan 12, 2006 at 05:47 PM
Analyst declares Blu-ray the winner

HALF MOON BAY, Calif. — While the battle is far from over in the next-generation DVD wars, one analyst predicts that Blu-ray Disc technology will prevail and become the eventual winner.

Full article:
http://www.eet.com/news/latest/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=175803569
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: slowhand on Jan 12, 2006 at 06:37 PM
This was just shown at CES last week.

(http://www.enjoythemusic.com/ces2006/sunday/pioneer.jpg)

Pioneer BDP-HD1 Blu-ray Disc player ($1,800) will support DLNA and Microsoft's Play For Sure and have digital output via coax and Toslink optical output plus 6-channel analog and 2-channel stereo. There is an Ethernet jack, but not for streaming out so no digital audio out for that. HDMI output with 1.3 support can output audio and video, Pioneer is working on a receiver to receive this signal. It will upscale to 1080p for normal DVD discs. (from Enjoy the Music)
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: av_phile1 on Jan 13, 2006 at 02:40 PM
I read Warner will release titles in both formats.  Disney might also go in that direction.  Some pundits are opining the historic analogy is not so much Beta vs VHS but more like the game formats which have co-existed profitably for a long time, with titles being released in more than one format. 
Title: HD DVD and Blu-ray content to be degraded for analog displays
Post by: pchin on Jan 23, 2006 at 11:21 AM

HD DVD and Blu-ray content to be degraded for analog displays. To prevent piracy & to keep that from happening, any video signal that doesn't travel over a protected input (such as HDMI) will be degraded.

Bad news for consumers that had bought their HDTV-ready sets earlier which have no digital output. :(

Full article: http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20060122-6027.html
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: wrAth on Jan 23, 2006 at 01:02 PM
Analyst declares Blu-ray the winner

HALF MOON BAY, Calif. — While the battle is far from over in the next-generation DVD wars, one analyst predicts that Blu-ray Disc technology will prevail and become the eventual winner.

Full article:
http://www.eet.com/news/latest/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=175803569

If Microsoft had chosen to utilize HD-DVD technology in its Xbox 360, the fight would be much closer, and much messier.
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: pchin on Jan 23, 2006 at 03:25 PM
If Microsoft had chosen to utilize HD-DVD technology in its Xbox 360, the fight would be much closer, and much messier.

Probably not. HD-DVD will be an add-on feature to Xbox 360 while the upcoming PS3 integrates BD! :D
Title: is the end of dvd near with blu ray and hddvd?
Post by: tanrover on Jan 24, 2006 at 03:38 PM
What is the latest update on the Blu-Ray vs HD-DVD format?

Anyone shipped a player yet?
Title: Re: Latest on Blu-Ray vs HD-DVD
Post by: pchin on Jan 24, 2006 at 06:23 PM
Hi tanrover, there's another existing thread where members posted the latest development on HD DVD & BD plus other latest news/info on on player price, movie tittles, etc  :D

DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD

http://pinoydvd.com/board/index.php?topic=35793.0
Title: is the end of dvd near with blu ray and hddvd?
Post by: uebetan12 on Jan 25, 2006 at 05:49 AM
hanggang kelan na lang kaya ang mga dvd players natin at discs bago to ma-phase out?

sana naman matagal pa.malaki na rin ang nagastosko sa collection ko, tapos jurassic piece na.

pero ive heard na pwede rin itong gamitin sa mga blu ray players at hddvd players, sana nga,kaya lang magka iba na ang magiging collections natin kc mas magastos kung panibagong start na naman ng collections.

kcpagdvdlang ang ilalabas mo ten years from now,pagtatawanan ka na cgurado dahil makaluma ka kc nga blu ray at hddvd ang ang uso nun!
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: pchin on Jan 26, 2006 at 11:14 AM
But when HD DVD or Blu ray arrrives.  All would be standard 1080p.  But will there be higher than 1080p.  Lets say 2160p?  It will give you vertigo. :)

While Blu-ray player is capable of 1080p & even at their web site it states it will output all movies in the highest resolution possible at 1080p, some other source states that there may be such a possibility as 1080p output in the future, as in a couple of years.

Right now, though, there are only a handful of HDTVs (like maybe three or four models) that can even reproduce/output a 1080p signal. Most mediocre HDTVs can't even reproduce a 1080i signal; they have to downconvert it to 720p.

Nevertheless, it'll be sweet if from day 1 that all HD movies will be in 1080p splendour!  :D
Title: Blu-ray titles announced
Post by: pchin on Jan 27, 2006 at 08:47 AM
Blu-ray titles announced

Underworld: Evolution (Sony) - Not a launch title, to be released later in 2006
Aeon Flux (Paramount)
The Amityville Horror (MGM) - Not yet announced, but packaging shown at CES
Angel Seekers (Air TBS) - Japan only
Armageddon (Disney)
Basic Instinct (Lions Gate) - Not yet announced, but packaging shown at CES
Batman Begins (Warner)
Behind Enemy Lines (Fox)
Black Hawk Down (Sony)
Bram Stoker's Dracula (Sony)
The Bridge on the River Kwai (Sony)
The Brothers Grimm (Disney)
Charlie and the Chocolate Factory (Warner)
Chicken Little (Disney) - Not a launch title, to be released later in 2006
Constantine (Warner)
Crimson Tide (Disney) - Not yet announced, but packaging shown at CES
Dark Water (Disney)
Desperado (Sony)
The Devil's Rejects (Lions Gate)
Dinosaur (Disney)
The Dukes of Hazzard (Warner)
Dune (Lions Gate) - TV series
Everest (Disney) - Documentary
Fantastic Four (Fox)
The Fifth Element (Sony)
Flightplan (Disney) - Not yet announced, but packaging shown at CES
For a Few Dollars More (MGM)
Four Brothers (Paramount)
Goodfellas (Warner) - Not yet announced, but packaging shown at CES
The Great Raid (Disney)
The Guns of Navarone (Sony)
Hero (Disney)
Hitch (Sony)
House of Flying Daggers (Sony)
Ice Age (Fox)
The Incredibles (Disney) - Not yet announced, but packaging shown at CES
Into The Blue (Sony) - Not yet announced, but packaging shown at CES
The Italian Job (Paramount)
Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back (Disney)
Kill Bill Vol. 1 (Disney)
King Arthur (Disney) - Not yet announced, but packaging shown at CES
Kiss of the Dragon (Fox)
A Knight's Tale (Sony)
Kung Fu Hustle (Sony)
Ladder 49 (Disney)
The Last Samurai (Warner)
The Last Waltz (MGM) - Documentary
The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen (Fox)
Legends of the Fall (Sony)
Lethal Weapon (Warner)
Lord of War (Lions Gate)
The Manchurian Candidate (Paramount)
The Matrix (Warner)
The Matrix Reloaded (Warner) - Not yet announced, but packaging shown at CES
Million Dollar Baby (Warner)
Mission Impossible (Paramount) - Not a launch title, to be released later in 2006
Mission Impossible 2 (Paramount) - Not a launch title, to be released later in 2006
Mission Impossible 3 (Paramount) - Not a launch title, to be released later in 2006
New Cinema Paradise (Asmik Ace) - Japan only
Ocean's Twelve (Warner)
Pirates of the Caribbean (Disney) - Not yet announced, but packaging shown at CES
The Punisher (Lions Gate)
Rambo: First Blood (Lions Gate)
Reservoir Dogs (Lions Gate)
Resident Evil (Sony) - Not yet announced, but packaging shown at CES
Resident Evil: Apocalypse (Sony)
Robocop (MGM)
S.W.A.T (Sony)
Sahara (Paramount)
Saw (Lions Gate)
See No Evil (Lions Gate)
Sense and Sensibility (Sony)
Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow (Paramount)
Sleepy Hollow (Paramount)
Species (MGM)
Spider-Man (Sony) - Not yet announced, but packaging shown at CES
Stargate Atlantis (MGM) - TV series
Stealth (Sony)
Steamboy (Bandai Visual) - Japan only
Step Into Liquid (Lions Gate)
Swordfish (Warner)
Terminator 2: Judgment Day (Lions Gate)
Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines (Warner)
Tomb Raider (Paramount)
Total Recall (Lions Gate)
Training Day (Warner)
Troy (Warner)
Twister (Warner)
U2: Rattle and Hum (Paramount) - Documentary
Unforgiven (Warner)
We Were Soldiers (Paramount)
xXx (Sony)
xXx: State of the Union (Sony) - Not yet announced, but packaging shown at CES
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: wrAth on Jan 27, 2006 at 10:13 AM
Probably not. HD-DVD will be an add-on feature to Xbox 360 while the upcoming PS3 integrates BD! :D

well, there go any chances of a unification.
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: av_phile1 on Jan 27, 2006 at 11:01 AM
It's probabaly too late for that now.   There's a good chance both formats will coexist, much like those game titles that are often carried in more than two formats.  The paradigm is no longer VHS vs Beta, but more like the happy thriving competition between Sega, PS2, Xbox, PC-games, Nintendo and N-gage.   ;D
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: Mr. Big Boy on Jan 31, 2006 at 08:00 PM
It would be very interesting to follow the release of PS3 into the market.  It's practically the debut of Blu-Ray format into the AV market and the success or the failure of PS3 would be a very big factor in this HDD format wars.

I think we, digital video and movie aficionados should be happy that we're still young enough to appreciate the technology shift, atleast naabutan pa natin ang HD era. hehehe
Title: Consumers face Blu-ray DVD price hike
Post by: pchin on Feb 10, 2006 at 12:04 PM
Sony Pictures will use the introduction of Blu-ray movie DVDs to raise prices by about 20 per cent...

Full article: http://www.pcw.co.uk/vnunet/news/2150021/consumers-face-blu-ray-dvd
Title: High-def to get limited launch
Post by: pchin on Feb 11, 2006 at 09:10 PM
FEB. 10 | With only a small number of high-definition players expected to reach the market at launch, Warner Home Video and Sony Pictures Home Entertainment are planning to limit the release of HD DVD and Blu-ray discs, respectively, to those retailers also selling players.

Full article: http://www.videobusiness.com/article/CA6306707.html
Title: Sony prices Blu-ray discs at $30
Post by: pchin on Feb 11, 2006 at 09:12 PM
FEB. 7 | Although Blu-ray Disc players might cost more than HD DVD players when the two high-definition formats launch later this year, movie prices are likely to be similar.

Sony Pictures Home Entertainment president Benjamin Feingold said Tuesday that new release Blu-ray titles from the studio will carry a wholesale price to retailers of $23.45 while catalog titles will be priced at $17.95.

Full article: http://www.videobusiness.com/article/CA6305651.html
Title: HD DVD?
Post by: chinoh151 on Feb 13, 2006 at 03:15 PM
I don't want to sound stupid but what is this?
Title: Re: HD DVD?
Post by: pchin on Feb 13, 2006 at 08:45 PM
It means High Definition DVD. It is one of the two HD formats. The other format is Blu-ray (BD)

There's an existing link that discuss these formats & some latest news in the HD industry  :D
http://pinoydvd.com/board/index.php?topic=35793.280

Here's another good reference source about the different formats
http://www.hddvd.org/hddvd/difformatsblueray.php?PHPSESSID=94c4a945078d367e167659035dfdeadf
Title: Re: HD DVD?
Post by: chinoh151 on Feb 13, 2006 at 11:40 PM
Thanks!

So it's just like the DVD?
Title: Re: HD DVD?
Post by: Gideon on Feb 14, 2006 at 07:39 AM
Thanks!

So it's just like the DVD?

Yup, only better.  Panlaban ika nga sa Blu-Ray.
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: classicman on Feb 14, 2006 at 09:42 AM
w/ the onslaught of BD & HD DVD, i think it will be interesting to guess or even make a friendly bet on who among the pinoydvd members will create & first post on a new thread "Most recently viewed BD/HD DVD"....... 8)


my hard earned money goes for paul (a.k.a. pchin). any takers...... ;D
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: pchin on Feb 14, 2006 at 09:51 AM
U talaga bro Leo... ;D Yeah a new addition thread of "Most recently viewed BD/HD DVD" will be nice but I guess those who stay in US will be the first to post in view our local market will be a little behind the main stream schedule...  :)

I'll sit on the fence & wait a little longer until the format war dust settle a bit or at least the HD player will be much affordable. Hopefully the upcoming PS3 will be affordable??  :-[
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: barrid on Feb 14, 2006 at 10:48 AM
I'll be waiting for a generic player that can play all of these formats.  ;D
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: baby on Feb 14, 2006 at 05:21 PM
patience is a virtue.  Sana makatiis hehe ;D.  Well I'm really looking forward to this.  I really really want to see LOTR in 1080p and matrix also.  But I still don't have the $$$ for that. 
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: pchin on Feb 14, 2006 at 07:20 PM
O nga ya...watching all our favourite movies in HD 1080p glory.... :o It's a big $$$ investment  :'(

Guess I've to be content being able to watch 720p thru my HDTV for the time being untill such time in the future to finally upgrade to 1080p display ;)
Title: Sony prepares face-off over next generation
Post by: pchin on Feb 14, 2006 at 10:27 PM
"Toshiba will be the first to market with about 30,000 players in play, but when Sony releases its PS3, they will have between 5 million and 10 million machines that can read Blu-Ray," said Richard Doherty, research director for The Envisioneering Group. "The factor here isn't just who is the first to market, but it is, 'What will the volume be as well?'"

"We think in the end the Blu-Ray will win the format war," Martin said.  ::)

Full article: http://www.insidebayarea.com/ci_3503899?source=rss
Title: HD DVD and Blu-ray delayed again
Post by: pchin on Feb 15, 2006 at 02:36 PM
"Remember all of the positioning about which next-generation optical format would hit the market first? Forget about it. It now appears that both formats will hit the market at the same time, because delays in the security specification that they both share have left everyone—device manufacturers, movie studios, and the leaders of the respective formats—in a holding pattern"

Full article: http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20060214-6182.html

Geez....here we go again :)
Title: Blu-Ray Causes Next-Gen Media Delays
Post by: pchin on Feb 16, 2006 at 12:04 PM
Now loks like Blu0ray is getting the blame...yeah it's a waste of time..no matter what they do, eventually it will get hacked then they have to change the code then again then gain....there's no end to it

Full article:
http://us.gizmodo.com/gadgets/portable-media/bluray-causes-nextgen-media-delays-155021.php
Title: Toshiba to Promote the Launch of HD DVD Players
Post by: pchin on Feb 17, 2006 at 11:41 AM
Toshiba Tours America to Promote the Launch of HD DVD Players

Click the link for the nice presentation & u can register for updates :)

http://www.tacp.toshiba.com/hddvd/
Title: High-def camps OK AACS
Post by: pchin on Feb 18, 2006 at 08:57 AM
"A critical hurdle to the launch of both the Blu-ray Disc and HD DVD formats was cleared late Wednesday when negotiators reached agreement on an interim license for the AACS copy-protection system slated to be used by both high-definition formats, sources involved in the discussions said."

Full article: http://www.videobusiness.com/article/CA6308373.html
Title: Early HDTV adopters screwed by HD-disc rules
Post by: pchin on Feb 24, 2006 at 11:01 PM
If you're one of the first adopters who mortgaged the house to buy the earliest HDTV displays, don't expect to get full HD resolution when you take out a second mortgage for a high-def disc player when they come out later this year. Today the copy-protection rules for Blu-ray or HD DVD — the two formats competing to be the standard for HD discs — are being unveiled. Called Advanced Access Content System (AACS), the rules clearly show the major movie studios are determined to stymie potential piracy, but their efforts may short-change people with older HDTVs

Full article:
http://blog.scifi.com/tech/archives/early_hdtv_adopters_screwed_by_hddisc_rules.html#more
Title: Clearing the picture on HDMI
Post by: pchin on Feb 26, 2006 at 08:56 PM
Clearing the picture on HDMI

THE GIZMO: Everything you need to know about HDMI.

Some tech news sources have been scaring the bejabbers out of early-adopter HDTV viewers with stories proclaiming that "millions of HDTVs may soon be obsolete."

Uhhh, not exactly. Let's clear the waters.

INS AND OUTS OF HDMI: You'll recall that security precautions built into the DVD format were quickly cracked, making it easy for computer-savvy hackers to copy the video discs.

Full article: http://www.sanluisobispo.com/mld/philly/entertainment/columnists/13930502.htm?source=rss&channel=philly_columnists
Title: Blu-ray Disc player, movies ship May 23
Post by: pchin on Mar 01, 2006 at 10:32 AM
Blu-ray Disc player, movies ship May 23

"The Blu-ray Disc high-definition optical disc format will launch in the US on May 23 when the first player and movies ship, backers of the format said Monday.

Samsung will be first out of the gate with a Blu-ray Disc player. Its BD-P1000, which was first shown at the International Consumer Electronics Show (CES) in Las Vegas last month. The device will be available from May 23 at Best Buy, Circuit City and specialist retailers, the company said.

No price has been announced. At CES, Samsung said it plans to sell the machine for around $1,000, but the original launch date was slated for April."

Full article: http://www.macworld.co.uk/news/index.cfm?home&NewsID=13962
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: MAtZTER on Mar 01, 2006 at 10:45 AM
$1,000 for a dvd player....

hmmm.... ::)

mmmm..... ::)

NAH....

willing to wait till next year  ;D
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: Munskie on Mar 02, 2006 at 12:38 PM
$1,000 for a dvd player....

hmmm.... ::)

mmmm..... ::)

NAH....

willing to wait till next year  ;D
yup..prices will drop for sure.....nice call sir matz  ;D
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: MAtZTER on Mar 02, 2006 at 01:57 PM
yup..prices will drop for sure.....nice call sir matz  ;D

Yes, nice call for people like me who are on a budget. Di tulad ng iba dyan, malalim bulsa  ;).

Your newly bought DVD player is almost $1k so I guess you wont have any problem buying another blu ray when it first comes out (ikaw pa). When you do, I will arrange an out of town trip (w/ ricky) to go to munskie's HT in AC ;D. hehe

fish tayo  :D
Title: Pioneer unveils first 25GB Blu-ray drive
Post by: pchin on Mar 02, 2006 at 05:21 PM
Pioneer unveils first 25GB Blu-ray drive

Pioneer will this month ship one of the first Blu-ray drives to hit the market, enabling PC users to store up to 25GB of data on media similar to CDs and DVDs. With plans for 200GB disks within a couple of years, Blu-ray could eventually supersede DVDs for making backups and distributing information in businesses

Full article http://www.pcw.co.uk/itweek/news/2151152/pioneer-unveils-first-25gb-blu
Title: Blu-ray player hits March 15...Blu-ray Titles in May 23
Post by: purple_jedi on Mar 03, 2006 at 11:15 AM
This is taken from audiorevolution...

Sony Pictures has announced the first titles for the Blu-ray format will be available in stores May 23, 2006. These titles include:
50 First Dates
The Fifth Element
Hitch
House of Flying Daggers
A Knight’s Tale
The Last Waltz
Resident Evil Apocalypse
XXX
The second offering titles will be available on June 13, 2006 and will include Kung Fu Hustle, Legends of the Fall, Robocop, Stealth, Species, SWAT and Terminator. Other titles to be released include Blackhawk Down, Bridge on the River Kwai and possibly others in the near future.

Samsung will be first to market with a Blu-ray player. Prices for this player and any pending Sony players are not yet available. HD-DVD players are slated for release on March 15, 2006 priced at $500 and $799 from Toshiba. It is safe to assume the very first generation Blu-ray players will be priced in the same ball park. Oddly, Sony isn’t first to market with Blu-ray players.

Title: Re: Blu-ray player hits March 15...Blu-ray Titles in May 23
Post by: pchin on Mar 03, 2006 at 10:41 PM
Oddly, Sony isn’t first to market with Blu-ray players.
Many nice tittles...at each release the list can only getting better!  :-*

Yeah SONY at the moment is probably sweating all over facing the pressure to release its PS3, the so called ultimate gaming machine. The delay is caused by cost & copy right issues  :(
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: MAtZTER on Mar 07, 2006 at 11:23 AM
I got a hold of a 1997 Sound & Vision Mag, DVD players were about to be released that time.

And guess how much the new DVD players were back in 1997?

$1,000.

too
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: Mo®pHeOu$ on Mar 07, 2006 at 12:21 PM
I got a hold of a 1997 Sound & Vision Mag, DVD players were about to be released that time, and guess how much the new DVD players were back in 1997?

$1,000.

too

naalala ko tuloy yung boss ko dati.  He bought a DVD player I think around P50,000 pa nung time na yun.  hehehe.  sobrang mahal pa noon.  Sikat sya nuon!!! hehehe  Pero di na ngayon!!!   ;D
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: av_phile1 on Mar 07, 2006 at 12:46 PM
Not bad for a new product introductoy price.  I'd imagine that would then fall after a year, assuming market acceptance is large enough.  I suppose people who can afford HDTV sets at today's steep prices and the associated players with HDMI output should more than afford that level of pricing for DVDs. 

I think that should also end the days of the pirates.  HD-DVDs and Blu-rays are not piratable, according to what I've read. 
Title: LG Plans Dual Blu-ray/HD DVD Player
Post by: pchin on Mar 07, 2006 at 12:50 PM
"An internal memo allegedly from LG’s U.S. sales VP Bob Perry says the company is planning to ship a disk player compatible with both Blu-ray and HD DVD in the late summer or early autumn.

In the memo, Perry also said LG’s BD199 Blu-ray player, which we saw the company demonstrating at CES in January, won’t ship as planned this spring because of “uncertainty in this early stage of the market for prerecorded high-definition optical disks.” LG is one of those companies that swings both ways with the new HD disks; it signed up with the HD DVD team as well as the Blu-ray group.

Too bad we have to wait six months just to see one of these dual-format players. Samsung was hinting around last fall about releasing a dual-format unit, but that company has backed away from that idea in recent months. So now LG is our only hope for one of these bi-discual players."

Story source: gizmodo.com
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: av_phile1 on Mar 07, 2006 at 01:01 PM
I'm not sure if it matters much to have dual-function players.  There's a good change movie studios will release their titles in both formats.  Like those game titles released in PS2, nintendo, x-box, PC,  etc.  I've read on one article on the net that it's not going to be a repeat of the Beta-VHS days.  The studios and the brands are not about to repeat history.  Rather, it's going to be a profitable co-existance of different formats like those games.  Then again, that's still pure speculation.   ;D
Title: LG Elec to join HD DVD camp as well as Blu-ray
Post by: pchin on Mar 09, 2006 at 12:16 PM
"LG is the second high-profile Blu-ray supporter to change position after Hewlett-Packard (NYSE:HPQ - news), the world's second biggest PC maker, decided last month to also support HD DVD alongside Blu-ray."

Full article   (http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060308/tc_nm/lg_dvd_dc_2)

Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: Munskie on Mar 11, 2006 at 01:46 PM
Yes, nice call for people like me who are on a budget. Di tulad ng iba dyan, malalim bulsa  ;).

Your newly bought DVD player is almost $1k so I guess you wont have any problem buying another blu ray when it first comes out (ikaw pa). When you do, I will arrange an out of town trip (w/ ricky) to go to munskie's HT in AC ;D. hehe

hahaha.....matt...suicide lang talaga ako....ngayon dina pwede, me pamilya na.  if ever these new format players come out, ill also wait for the prices to go down...


fish tayo  :D

mat...nung pinanood namin ng wife ko brokeback mountain....she told me...don't ever go out with your friends and go out fishing ah......hehehe ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: slowhand on Mar 12, 2006 at 07:30 AM
"A First Look at Blu-Ray" (http://www.avrev.com/news/0306/08.blu_ray.shtml)
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: pchin on Mar 12, 2006 at 08:03 AM
Nice article slowhand  :) Now many consumers' no.1 wish for Xmas will be PS3!!  :-*
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: Munskie on Mar 12, 2006 at 08:07 AM
read it mr. slowhand.......if im gonna purchase a blu-ray player, it might well be ps3 (part-time gamer)......i believe the guy that once you have seen hd content side by side with dvd 480p...its hard to be content with what we have now, being a movie/ht enthusiast.   ;D
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: slowhand on Mar 12, 2006 at 08:37 AM
yeah, I'm as psyched as you guys regarding Blu-Ray. What I'm most excited about is the high-rez audio that goes with the high-rez video -- I would not mind double-dipping all my fave concert videos!

Secondly, all the high-rez sports content that will eventually get packaged. NBA, Tennis... (I watched Wimbledon in HD once and I got too distracted figuring out the lace patterns underneath some of the women's dresses, hehe). Too bad F1 isn't broadcast in HD.

I've had native HD movies for a couple of years now, so am just looking forward to seeing more of them. Movies in native HD are not as immediately spectacular as sports and live video, but they have one quality that's really obvious and doesn't get much talked about... it's not just the clarity, it's the dimensionality. My wife says our HD movies actually look a bit darker than DVDs, but they look deeper and the people are more 3-D. The lighting that the director uses becomes more obvious. The less-compressed sound is also markedly superior.

so, yeah, bring it on!
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: pchin on Mar 12, 2006 at 09:28 AM
slowhand, glad to hear you already had native HD movies for a couple of years now. What TV display do u use? I presume it'-s the D-VHS. It's rare & hard to find these video sorces. Where do you get your HD movies from?  :)

Many movies fans are very excited to see their favourite movies in HD format....but with the long wait & high price...hmm.. some of us will have to wait much longer before playing HD movies in our own living rooms become a reality :-[

The best bet is getting a PS3...hopefully the initial cost upon release won't be as high as reported   :-\
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: Munskie on Mar 12, 2006 at 09:56 AM
read it somewhere its gonna cost mga 30 plus....
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: kt on Mar 12, 2006 at 10:11 AM
so wat displays must be used here? is 720p display ok na?
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: pchin on Mar 12, 2006 at 11:46 AM
Quote from:  link=topic=35793.msg553424#msg553424 date=1142128592
read it somewhere its gonna cost mga 30 plus....

Yep Munskie, it's an estimation ...no price confirmation yet. Based on the Merrill Lynch's report, at launch the unit  cost is estimated at $900 which is discussed in Could your next HD player be the Play Station 3? (http://pinoydvd.com/board/index.php?topic=37236.0) under Home Theater: Sources

Since Xbox 360 is selling around $400, so it's not unreasonable we predict the price range could be around $500 or close to Toshiba's cheapest HD-DVD player. In peso that's about P30k range esp after shiping or could be much higher? :-\
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: pchin on Mar 12, 2006 at 12:20 PM
so wat displays must be used here? is 720p display ok na?

For a display to be HDTV-capable, it must able to display a native resolution of at least 720p  :)
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: slowhand on Mar 13, 2006 at 08:19 AM
pchin - yup, dvhs, shipped from the u.s.; i use a pj.

the thing for me to learn, though, is to download hd content from the alt sites and to build an htpc to play them.
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: kt on Mar 13, 2006 at 08:58 AM
bro pchin tnx for the info! so i guess my tvs ok na for this! hehe
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: pchin on Mar 13, 2006 at 09:16 AM
pchin - yup, dvhs, shipped from the u.s.; i use a pj. the thing for me to learn, though, is to download hd content from the alt sites and to build an htpc to play them.

Front PJ? Congrat for owing a FPJ-for the ultimate cinematic viewing experience. Yes, HTPC is very popular nowdays. I hope to learn more about it  :)

bro pchin tnx for the info! so i guess my tvs ok na for this! hehe

kt, which year did u purchase your HDTV? Is there any digital output e.g. HDMI or AVI? There may be concern if your HDTV uses only analog connections (Component) , i.e. resolution may be downgraded as true HD movies may only run thru digital input.
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: kt on Mar 13, 2006 at 12:12 PM
bro pchin im using the toshiba 46hm94 dlp n it has hdmi connections already...but i guess its only 720p native
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: MAtZTER on Mar 13, 2006 at 12:33 PM
I just read from a magazine yesterday that all our current LCD, or DLP RPTVs have a limit of 720p res.

Only LCoS (Liquid Crystal on Silicone) technology has broken the 1k resolution barrier. JVC's DiLA has this
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: kt on Mar 13, 2006 at 01:18 PM
sir matz tnx for the info!
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: slowhand on Mar 13, 2006 at 01:46 PM
Include Sony's SXRD technology in the 1080p list. Plus, of course, CRTs; some have resolution that is way above 1080...
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: pchin on Mar 13, 2006 at 04:47 PM
That may change very soon as each manufacturer is competing & developing its own unique HD technology..to reach the 1080p nirvana  :D

So far there are four brands in the US that offer this 1080p HDTV: JVC (LCoS), SONY (SXRD), Samsung (DLP) & Mitsubishi (DLP)

**edited: left out Samsung  ;D
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: MAtZTER on Mar 13, 2006 at 05:16 PM
Just goes to show that the HDTV's we are buying now (and are very happy with) will be obsolete again ...soon.

It seems like yesterday when I was very happy (and satisfied) with a RP HDTV (2 years ago). And when LCD & plasma prices started dropping, the RPTV seemed more undesirable as days went by  ;D.

Now that I upgraded the RPTV,  I wonder when I will feel that way with my current displays. ???

Estimate: 2 years?

SIGH, this just never ends.  :'(

WHY, OH WHY are we just poor victims of this cruel marketing driven world aimed at getting our hard earned money away from our pockets!?  ;D
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: pchin on Mar 13, 2006 at 10:44 PM
That's true MAtZTER  ;D Those pretty marketing shud be banned totally eh  :P

What's your FPJ native resolution? Sigh....it's always sad to know our investment will become obsolete one day esp more advance & better ones are coming out plus with a drop of price...  :-[ Anyway as long as we have the min 720p & HDMI, we can still enjoy our HD displays for many years to come not unless we want to write off the value & depreciate it within 2 years time??  ;D
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: classicman on Mar 13, 2006 at 11:08 PM

SIGH, this just never ends.  :'(

WHY, OH WHY are we just poor victims of this cruel marketing driven world aimed at getting our hard earned money away from our pockets!?  ;D


sir MatZ, i'd read it somewhere that it's NOT wise to invest on upgrading our A/V gears at the moment (most especially our 'displays') coz of the onslaught of HD/BR, to w/c i fully concur...... 8)
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: pchin on Mar 14, 2006 at 12:13 AM
It's always hard to determine when is the right time to upgrade our AV gears as the world is changing rapidly :)

This year SONY SXRD (Silicon X-tal Reflective Display) has taken the world by storm. After a year or two, perhaps the new generation of high-quality large flat-screen display, the SED (Surface-conduction Electron-emitter Display) may take over SONY or the possibility of a new manufacturer may even invent a totally new superior technology, etc. Just like VHS to VCD to DVD and now to HD DVD/BD. In a few more years, another new higher definition media could emerge....it never ends  :-[

Hence, probably there's no right or wrong time to upgrade our AV equips as long as we've taken every reasonable step to ensure our investments are protected or at least will not become obsolete way too fast say within the next 5 years...(eh this is too conservative noh)  ;D   For HDTV nowdays, most of the concerned issues are iron out while early adopters of either HD DVD or BD players are certainly facing much higher risks. The water is too hot to take a dip?  ;D   
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: kt on Mar 14, 2006 at 08:14 AM
hay...your right guys...never ending hobby natin...n ang bilis pa ng technology, parang kakabili ko lang ng dlp ko ha! hehe oh well...gluk to all of us with these upcoming technologies!
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: slowhand on Mar 14, 2006 at 08:38 AM
My favorite a/v salesman has the perfect reply to an early adopter like me. When I say, "maghihintay na lang ako, siguradong mas-maganda pa yung mga dadating," he smiles and says... "tama ka, bossing, kaya lang nga, ibig sabihin non ay ... wala ka pa!"
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: MAtZTER on Mar 14, 2006 at 10:41 AM
My favorite a/v salesman has the perfect reply to an early adopter like me. When I say, "maghihintay na lang ako, siguradong mas-maganda pa yung mga dadating," he smiles and says... "tama ka, bossing, kaya lang nga, ibig sabihin non ay ... wala ka pa!"

ROFL  :D

It's always hard to determine when is the right time to upgrade our AV gears as the world is changing rapidly :)

Hence, probably there's no right or wrong time to upgrade our AV equips as long as we've taken every reasonable step to ensure our investments are protected or at least will not become obsolete way too fast say within the next 5 years...(eh this is too conservative noh)  ;D   For HDTV nowdays, most of the concerned issues are iron out while early adopters of either HD DVD or BD players are certainly facing much higher risks. The water is too hot to take a dip? ;D   

Native res of my PJ is 720.  :)

I agree fully. Which comes to the comparison of a basic necessity as a cellphone. Cellphones have a  very short time being a hot model. It only takes 6 months and there would be newer, sleeker, feature laden model to take the throne. I always hear from people " I will wait for it to get cheaper" but by the time it gets cheaper, there is a newer , hotter phone beckoning you to buy it.

The secret? aside from going into being a hermit away from the city and technology, is contentment. I read somewhere that contentment is the whole secret of well being. Thats why from that time on, I knew I was...unwell  ;D ;D ;D.



Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: Munskie on Mar 14, 2006 at 10:59 AM


The secret? aside from going into being a hermit away from the city and technology, is contentment. I read somewhere that contentment is the whole secret of well being. Thats why from that time on, I knew I was...unwell  ;D ;D ;D.

  hahaha!!! LOL!!  witness ako rito......dito ko nalaman that HPO isnt the cure for SARS....its contentment.   ;D ;D  oh btw....with the advent of HD and its players comes the advent too of new surround sound formats DOLBY DIGITAL PLUS/DOLBY TRUE-HD/DTS-HD(click) (http://pinoydvd.com/board/index.php?topic=49217.0)
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: pchin on Mar 14, 2006 at 12:45 PM
I read somewhere that contentment is the whole secret of well being. Thats why from that time on, I knew I was...unwell  ;D ;D ;D.

Yes indeed.. I need to revive my self contentment & learn from the excellent guru  ;D
Title: HD DVD to launch without any movies
Post by: pchin on Mar 15, 2006 at 10:59 AM
"Despite the recent good news that Disney is considering the format, HD DVD backers have had little encouraging news recently. That trend continues with today's announcement that Warner Home Video will not be releasing HD DVD movies on March 28, after all. This means that early adopters will have to wait until sometime in April to get their hands on U2's Rattle and Hum documentary, the first title to be released in the new format."

Full article: http://feeds.feedburner.com/arstechnica/BAaf?m=2091

From another source "Warner Home Video, the only studio that in January had set a firm date, March 28, for its first high-definition DVD titles to arrive in stores, now says it might not be ready in time because of technical problems."

Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: classicman on Mar 15, 2006 at 07:59 PM
w/ the onslaught of BD & HD DVD, i think it will be interesting to guess or even make a friendly bet on who among the pinoydvd members will create & first post on a new thread "Most recently viewed BD/HD DVD"....... 8)


my hard earned money goes for paul (a.k.a. pchin). any takers...... ;D


anyone who would like to make a friendly bet ::) ;D.......you're still my man paul, JUST GO FOR IT!!! 8)
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: pchin on Mar 15, 2006 at 11:42 PM
Leo, we shall soon find out the truth hehe  ;D
Title: Sony Won’t Downconvert Blu-ray HD on Old HDTVs
Post by: pchin on Mar 16, 2006 at 12:10 AM
Here's finally some good news :)

Full article: http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/home-ent...dtvs-160358.php
Title: Warner pushes HD DVD titles to April
Post by: pchin on Mar 17, 2006 at 10:32 AM
Finally as many have expected.... ;D

"Warner Home Video Thursday finally revealed the first details of its plan to market HD DVD titles, including pricing, special features, projected sales and an initial street date of April 18—three weeks after the March 28 launch the studio had originally planned."

"The studio has set new release HD DVD prices at a list price of $34.99, versus the $28.99 for catalog."

Full article: http://www.videobusiness.com/article/CA6316722.html

$34.99!! Yikes  :o
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: Munskie on Mar 17, 2006 at 10:54 AM
Do you have any idea how much DVD's cost when they were introduced in the market?  para reference lang
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: kt on Mar 17, 2006 at 12:22 PM
yikes nga $34.99.....plus shipping pa! :o
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: pchin on Mar 17, 2006 at 03:34 PM
Do you have any idea how much DVD's cost when they were introduced in the market?  para reference lang

I wasn't an early adopter so I can't say for sure how much during the early days. My first R4 DVD movie in 2000 cost me about AU$30..that's about P1,200. If I'm not mistaken, the cost nowdays range btw P700 to P999 for a one or two-disc edition.

If the new HD DVD movie will cost US$$34.99 each..that's about P1,800 at today's exchange rate. Very expensive! Eventually price will indeed drop....guess we'll have to be patient lang  ;D
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: Quitacet on Mar 18, 2006 at 03:24 PM
Here's a menu screenshot of Batman Begins in HD-DVD

From DVDTown
(http://img58.imageshack.us/img58/9981/batmanbeginshddvdmenu3hj.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)

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What we see is the menu on top of the movie playing in the background. You can also see a small video playing on top of this. So think layers when it comes to the next-gen menu systems of HD-DVD.
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: Munskie on Mar 18, 2006 at 04:05 PM
exciting!!! ganda ng pq based on that image  ;D ;D

kakatakot lang pag early adopter ka, baka in a few months time lang...me bagong features na yung player, tapus mas mababa pa....
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: baby on Mar 18, 2006 at 08:31 PM
exciting!!! ganda ng pq based on that image  ;D ;D

kakatakot lang pag early adopter ka, baka in a few months time lang...me bagong features na yung player, tapus mas mababa pa....
Masarap pag early adapters ka.  You will enjoy it first.  Pero yun nga in a few months time the prices will eventualy go down due to competition at syempre the companies are testing their market.  It they sell many and prices might even go up.  Pero if konti lang malamang they will drop the prices.  Law of supply and demand ika nga.  Pero nangangati na kamay ko at mata ko para makakita ng 1080i na batman begins or LOTR series.  Ang sarap siguro manuod nun for sure.  And also yun uncompressed sound formats ng dts and dolby.  So ibig sabihin nun.  from digital to digital.  No more decompression or conversion ang mangyayari right?  I'm not that expert guy na may alam sa mga conversion,from dital to analog or whatever they call it.  Basta I'm sure it's gonna make us happy.  Best picture and sound quality.  Mas maganda pa keysa manuod sa glorietta. :)  May superbit edition pa kaya ang mga HD-DVD or blu ray? ;D
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: pchin on Mar 18, 2006 at 09:28 PM
Good to know that SONY has decided not to implement the ICT that will down-rezz HD resolution over analog connection. This will indeed be a very good news esp for those early adopters whose HDTV only use component. If HD DVD does use the ICT, this will give Blu-ray a nice advantage  :)
Title: Toshiba delays release of HD DVD players
Post by: pchin on Mar 22, 2006 at 05:06 PM
Toshiba, one of the companies promoting the HD DVD standard, showed their first round of players (the HD-A1 and HD-XA1) at the Consumer Electronics Show in January. At the time, the company planned to release these models some time in March. However, Toshiba has now announced that they will not appear until at least the middle of April, in order to coincide with the release of the first batch of HD DVD movies:

The earliest possible date for the release of the players would thus be April 18, which is when Warner Home Video plans to release the titles Million Dollar Baby, The Last Samurai, and The Phantom of the Opera in HD DVD format.

Retail prices for HD DVD movies are set at US$28.99, slightly less than the expected US$35 price for Blu-ray movies.

Full article: http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20060321-6426.html
Title: Sony Blu-Ray Desktops, Laptops & Players
Post by: pchin on Mar 22, 2006 at 05:12 PM
Headlining Sony’s new product debuts are the BDP-S1 Blu-ray Disc player and the VAIO RC desktop computer. The player is targeted to ship in July for about $1000.

The BD player is designed to deliver 1920x1080p output, the highest HD signal output currently available through an HDMI connection. The player supports various high quality video codecs, including MPEG-2, MPEG4-AVC and VC1. Analogue component output for 1080i has been included so people who own HD-capable televisions without HDMI can enjoy the Blu-ray Disc experience.

The new BDP-S1 model is compatible with standard DVDs with the added feature of 1080p upscaling through HDMI, which gives new life to existing DVDs libraries

Full article: http://www.biosmagazine.co.uk/article.php?id=3071
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: slowhand on Mar 23, 2006 at 09:46 AM
pchin, thanks for constantly keeping us updated on these developments. may the first blu-ray player on this forum be yours! cheers.
Title: First Blu-ray/HD DVD players will lack managed copy support
Post by: pchin on Mar 23, 2006 at 12:24 PM
slowhand,  haha I wish I'll get a HD player soon but due to the initial high cost....mahirap eh..also as usual there are always many risks associated with first gen players  :-[  Here's the latest news on such issue:

"As HD-DVD and Blu-ray are getting ready for their launch under the interim license agreement for AACS copy protection, all the first round of players launched under this agreement will not offer any managed copy support, regardless of what interfaces the player may have and no firmware updates will be made available to offer such support either.  Basically, all players released under the interim license will function as basic players."

Full article: http://www.cdfreaks.com/news/13215

Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: aldrinpsx on Mar 23, 2006 at 01:24 PM
I have to get one of these....with this consumer act/law... you may return any merchandise within the 30 days from the 1st day it was bought.(if im not happy)full credit or refund. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Nothing to lose!

peace!!!
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: Munskie on Mar 23, 2006 at 01:32 PM
I have to get one of these....with this consumer act/law... you may return any merchandise within the 30 days from the 1st day it was bought.(if im not happy)full credit or refund. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Nothing to lose!

peace!!!
buti kapa aldrin...your consumer rights are well protected there....unlike here...consumerism leaves much to be desired.... :(
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: aldrinpsx on Mar 23, 2006 at 11:47 PM
Just some of the more than 100 movies scheduled for launch
on Blu-ray Disc during the first wave of releases
(Titles subject to change)

Sony Pictures/MGM — 20 titles, including:

Resident Evil: Apocalypse
House of Flying Daggers
Stealth
Hitch
The Fifth Element
Kung Fu Hustle
Robocop

Warner Bros. — 15 titles, including:

Batman Begins
Charlie and the Chocolate Factory
The Dukes of Hazzard
Million Dollar Baby
Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines


Buena Vista — 10 titles, including:

Kill Bill: Volume 1
Hero
Ladder 49
The Brothers Grimm
Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back


20th Century Fox — 20 titles, including:

Fantastic Four
Ice Age
The Transporter
Planet of the Apes
Flight of the Phoenix



Paramount — 10 titles, including:

Mission: Impossible
Mission: Impossible 2
Tomb Raider
The Italian Job
Sahara



Lions Gate — 10 titles, including:

Lord of War
The Punisher
Saw
Terminator 2: Judgment Day
Reservoir Dogs

soure:bestbuy

peace!!!
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: Philander on Mar 24, 2006 at 11:55 AM
and the players are here...


http://www.techenclave.com/forums/sony-announces-blu-ray-vaios-players-68797.html
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: Munskie on Mar 24, 2006 at 12:09 PM
dang...high definition is really just around the corner......the decision is when are you gonna adopt it....its hard not to be an early adopter when the titles are released na....and definitely when reviews come in na.....one thing that would delay it....budget... ;D ;D
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: bayonic on Mar 24, 2006 at 12:37 PM
meron na bang poll on what format PinoyDVD members intend to purchase ?
i think a big factor in deciding which format to support is the availability of titles .... for me that includes USED , PRE-OWNED or PWEDENG HIRAMIN ..... :)





 
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: slowhand on Mar 24, 2006 at 12:47 PM
bayonic - great idea. something like:

Where do you stand on the upcoming high-def formats?

I will get a Blu-Ray player this year.
I will get an HD-DVD player this year.
I will wait for a universal player that can play both formats.
I am fine with current DVD’s.
I don’t care.

(do we have a poll mechanism somewhere in the site?)
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: Munskie on Mar 24, 2006 at 12:48 PM
yup..a poll which format they will support...hd-dvd or BD.... ;D
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: Munskie on Mar 24, 2006 at 12:54 PM
meron na ba plans of a universal player?  which manufacturer? ;D
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: slowhand on Mar 24, 2006 at 01:03 PM
LG and Samsung have announced plans for a universal player.

munskie, your post about deciding whether to adopt it or not got me looking at my dvd collection. I was an early adopter (1999) and of the first 100 dvds that I  bought, only 4 of them can compare in video and audio quality with the current production -- Se7en platinum series, Fight Club, Any Given Sunday and to a lesser extent Saving Private Ryan. Four out of 100!

If I count those that were eventually given a better treatment, 36 out of the 100 later came out in some form of special edition, and some of those have gone to their third iteration.

The numbers tell me I should wait.

I'll just avoid my favorite a/v salesman who will likely say, "kaya lang, bossing, wala ka pa."
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: Munskie on Mar 24, 2006 at 01:20 PM
yup, thats essentially true...thats the risk of being an early adopter.....that enhancements would be made, and in your case the quality of production of the titles.  but am sure early adopters of HD wouldnt really mind that there would be better quality titles in the future....they just wanna have a taste of HD content now....lalu na yung me budget.  I for one will be an early adopter....kung me budget lang ako.....(at sana me universal player).  That's a big if unfortunately..... ;D ;D
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: barrister on Mar 24, 2006 at 02:24 PM
HVD News: 

HVD promises 3.9 Terabyte capacity.


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Media-Tech Association Press Release, 2-23-2006:



MEDIA-TECH Association Partners with HVD Alliance for Presentation of Holographic Storage at MEDIA-TECH Expo 2006

Always focusing on the latest developments in media manufacturing, the MEDIA-TECH Association will partner with the HVD Alliance for a seminar presentation on Holographic Versatile Disc (HVD) at the upcoming MEDIA-TECH Expo. In addition, the HVD Alliance will be represented with a booth at the event. Employing holographic storage technology, HVD shows parameters leading many specialists already to regard this technology as the fourth generation of Optical Disc.

Experts from the field will introduce this new optical storage technology offering capacities of up to 3.9 terabyte. Hideyoshi Horimai, Chief Technology Office of Optware Corporation, the inventor of HVD will also speak at the seminar during the Expo. The new format uses a technology called Collinear™ Holography, which employs two lasers collimated in a single beam.

“With the MEDIA-TECH Association also focusing on the long-term developments in media manufacturing, this partnership between MEDIA-TECH and the HVD Alliance will help the media manufacturing and storage industry understand how it can grow”, says Bryan Ekus, Managing Director of MTA: “The MEDIA-TECH Association is always trying to bring advancements in media manufacturing technology to the forefront of our industry. Therefore this partnership is an excellent opportunity to introduce the HVD Alliance and help promote the fourth generation of optical storage to our manufacturing community.” MEDIA-TECH Expo 2006, the leading annual tradeshow for the media manufacturing industry, will take place from May 30 – June 01, 2006 at Hall 3 of Messe Frankfurt. For more details about the MEDIA-TECH Association and MEDIA-TECH Expo, please visit www.media-tech.net.




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3.9 TB is only a projected capacity of the HVD.  Optware is expected to release a 200 GB disc in June of 2006; on the other hand, Maxell is expected to release a 300 GB capacity disc in September 2006.

At present, HDV's intended market is the industry user with high capacity needs, such as TV stations.  The home user is not the intended consumer  ---  at least, NOT YET

Matagal pa naman 'yan.  Pag nakabili ka na ng mga 1,000 titles sa Blu-Ray format, tamang-tamang magkakaroon naman ng HVD.   ;D ;D ;D



Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: pchin on Mar 24, 2006 at 07:44 PM
LG and Samsung have announced plans for a universal player.

The numbers tell me I should wait.


Samsung was the first to announce a dual format player but later withdrawn their statement. LG later join in the list of dual format player. Let's hope the price won't cost an arm, an eye & a heart-attack!  ;D

Agree with slowhand...we shud wait but waiting is the hardest part  :-[
Title: Toshiba may delay HD-DVD's launch until April
Post by: pchin on Mar 25, 2006 at 10:44 AM
U.S. unit may delay the launch of its next-generation DVD player for several weeks to coincide with the April debut of movies that play in the new HD DVD format, the company said on Thursday.

By contrast, Sony Pictures has said it aims to deliver its first movies in the Blu-ray DVD format to U.S. stores in late May to coincide with the entry of compatible disc players, from makers like Samsung Electronics Co. (005930.KS)

However, Sony has delayed the release of its PlayStation 3 console until early November, a launch that is expected to give a huge boost to the installed base of the Blu-ray technology.

Full article: http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060323/tc_nm/media_toshiba_dvd_dc_2
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: baby on Mar 25, 2006 at 07:19 PM
I can't wait till I can see it with my out eyes true 1080i/p. btw.  dvdempire have pricing already on bluray's  :)
http://www.dvdempire.com/index.asp?userid=99364644546346&tab_id=59&site_id=66&site_media_id=0
Title: Universal opts not to downscale HD content; ICT dead on arrival?
Post by: pchin on Mar 28, 2006 at 11:30 AM
One of the nastier capabilities of both Blu-ray and HD DVD allows for content holders to force image quality degradation onto users whose TVs aren't quite up to snuff. The original plan was simple: if a TV lacked a secure HD input (i.e., HDMI or something else supporting HDCP), studios could instruct next-generation disc players to reduce the quality of the video output to something less than 720p.

This has been billed as an anti-piracy measure, inasmuch as it is designed to keep the pristine, full digital HD signal away from anything that's not locked down. Consumer advocates have attacked the plan, however, saying that the only thing it is likely to stop is honest people from enjoying their discs' full HD potential.

Full article: http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20060327-6473.html
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: Quitacet on Mar 28, 2006 at 11:34 AM

Phantom of the Opera HD-DVD

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Special Features
Extras in 480i Standard Definition video
Behind the Mask: The Story of the Phantom of the Opera"
"The Making of the Phantom of the Opera: Preproduction, the Director, and the Production"
Deleted scene: "No One Would Listen"
Sing a long
Theatrical Trailer
 
Disc Details
Video: Widescreen 2.35:1  
Anamorphic: Yes (Anamorphic)
Audio: english in dolby digital plus 5.1
english in dolby truehd 5.1
french in dolby digital plus 5.1
Subtitles: English SDH, English, Francais, Latin Spanish
Runtime: 141 minutes
Release date: April 18, 2006
Production Year: 2004
Price (SRP): $28.98  
Released by: Warner Bros.
 


Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: Quitacet on Mar 28, 2006 at 11:38 AM
The Last Samurai HD-DVD


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Special Features
Extras in 480i Standard Definition
History Channel Documentary: "History vs. Hollywood: The Last Samurai"
Featurettes:
"Tom Cruise: A Warrior's Journey"
"Edward Zwick: A Director's Video Journal": Behind-the-scenes production journal narrated by Ed Zwick and Tom Cruise
"Making an Epic: A Conversation with Edward Zwick"
"A World of Detail: Production Design with Lilly Kilvert"
"Silk and Armor: Costume Design with Ngila Dickson"
"Imperial Army Basic Training: From Soldier to Samurai: The Weapons"
Deleted Scenes with Optional Director Commentary
Japan Premieres (Tokyo and Kyoto)
Theatrical Trailers 


 DVD Details: Last Samurai, The (HD-DVD)
 
 DVD Details  DVD Review  Easter Egg  Menu Screens  Screenshots  Video Clips  Comments[6] 
 
Disc Details
Video: Widescreen 2.35:1 Color 
Anamorphic: Yes (Anamorphic)
Audio: english in dolby digital plus 5.1,french in dolby digital plus 5.1 , spanish in dolby digital 2.0
Subtitles: English SDH, English, French, Spanish
Runtime: 154 minutes
 
Release date: April 18, 2006
Production Year: 2003
Price (SRP): $28.98 
Released by: Warner Bros.
 
 
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: Quitacet on Mar 28, 2006 at 11:42 AM
Million Dollar baby HD-DVD


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Special Features
Extras in 480i Standard Definition
Theatrical Trailer
James Lipton Takes on Three: Roundtable with Clint Eastwood, Hilary Swank, Morgan Freeman and Moderator James Lipton
Born to Fight: Examines the Parallels of the Movie to the Real-Life Boxer Lucia Rijker
Producers Round 15: Behind the Scenes
 
Disc Details
Video: Widescreen 2.35:1 
Anamorphic: Yes (Anamorphic)
Audio: english in dolby digital plus 5.1 , french in dolby digital plus 5.1
Subtitles: English, French, Spanish
Runtime: 132
 
Release date: April 18, 2006
Production Year: 2004
Price (SRP): $28.98 
Released by: Warner Bros.
 
Title: Re: Universal opts not to downscale HD content; ICT dead on arrival?
Post by: MAtZTER on Mar 28, 2006 at 03:14 PM
One of the nastier capabilities of both Blu-ray and HD DVD allows for content holders to force image quality degradation onto users whose TVs aren't quite up to snuff. The original plan was simple: if a TV lacked a secure HD input (i.e., HDMI or something else supporting HDCP), studios could instruct next-generation disc players to reduce the quality of the video output to something less than 720p.

This has been billed as an anti-piracy measure, inasmuch as it is designed to keep the pristine, full digital HD signal away from anything that's not locked down. Consumer advocates have attacked the plan, however, saying that the only thing it is likely to stop is honest people from enjoying their discs' full HD potential.

Full article: http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20060327-6473.html

Just an opinion, but I do believe that this measure is not a huge concern if your display is 32" or lower. You have been to our place Paul and we both tested several materials in both a big screen and a smaller 32" screen, and with both component connection and HDMI for the 2 displays.

The differences are very hard to spot with smaller displays, unless your eyes are extremely sharp.

just my 2 cents  ;)
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: pchin on Mar 28, 2006 at 08:31 PM
I agree with MAtZTER. Generally, for one to enjoy & appreciate true HD for screen size 42" & above.

Even though if the HD is down-rezz, the end result is still almost double the resolution of our standard DVD. So if we view in a 32" LCD HDTV....it's clearer & sharper than DVD :)
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: baby on Mar 29, 2006 at 07:23 AM
I've notice that there is no regional coding for HD-DVD from the pix.  wala nabang Regional coding?

I agree with MAtZTER. Generally, for one to enjoy & appreciate true HD for screen size 42" & above.

Even though if the HD is down-rezz, the end result is still almost double the resolution of our standard DVD. So if we view in a 32" LCD HDTV....it's clearer & sharper than DVD :)

True.  You can really enjoy it when you watch it on bigger screens.  But I can still the diffrerence when viewing in small screens.  But my wife doesn't. :)
Title: US, Japan joyous in Blu-ray Region 1 embrace
Post by: pchin on Mar 29, 2006 at 09:07 AM
As a late Nondenominationalmas present to all you import lovers out there, it has just been announced that the U.S. will share Blu-ray Region 1 status with South America and, more importantly, East Asia minus China. (For the 58% of young Americans who are unable to locate it on a map, this means that Japan and the US are in the same region). 

Full article: http://www.engadget.com/2005/12/27/us-japan-joyous-in-blu-ray-region-1-embrace/

Both the Toshiba HD-DVD players are currently region-free. But they could change that with a firmware update down the line. :)

Great news for us as we are in the same league with the US & Jap...that's a BIG time score!!  :D
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: av_phile1 on Mar 29, 2006 at 12:39 PM

Agree with slowhand...we shud wait but waiting is the hardest part  :-[

As always, good things come to those who wait. ;D
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: av_phile1 on Mar 29, 2006 at 12:43 PM
Just some of the more than 100 movies scheduled for launch
on Blu-ray Disc during the first wave of releases
(Titles subject to change)

Sony Pictures/MGM — 20 titles, including:

Resident Evil: Apocalypse
House of Flying Daggers
Stealth
Hitch
The Fifth Element
Kung Fu Hustle
Robocop

Warner Bros. — 15 titles, including:

Batman Begins
Charlie and the Chocolate Factory
The Dukes of Hazzard
Million Dollar Baby
Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines


Buena Vista — 10 titles, including:

Kill Bill: Volume 1
Hero
Ladder 49
The Brothers Grimm
Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back


20th Century Fox — 20 titles, including:

Fantastic Four
Ice Age
The Transporter
Planet of the Apes
Flight of the Phoenix



Paramount — 10 titles, including:

Mission: Impossible
Mission: Impossible 2
Tomb Raider
The Italian Job
Sahara



Lions Gate — 10 titles, including:

Lord of War
The Punisher
Saw
Terminator 2: Judgment Day
Reservoir Dogs

soure:bestbuy

peace!!!


Except maybe for Batman Begins, House of Flying Daggers and Ice Age, the first HD titles are not inspiring for me.  Maybe it's a good thing I don't have the means to be an early adopter of Cutting-Edge-Technology.  ;D   I would think those with a sizeable DVD collection can probably wait 2 more years for the technology and the prices of hardware and software to stabilize.   But, I guess, the itch to be among the local pioneers can be great.   ;D
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: MAtZTER on Mar 29, 2006 at 01:57 PM
HVD News: 

HVD promises 3.9 Terabyte capacity.


(http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/1/1e/160px-HVD.jpg)

At present, HDV's intended market is the industry user with high capacity needs, such as TV stations.  The home user is not the intended consumer  ---  at least, NOT YET

Matagal pa naman 'yan.  Pag nakabili ka na ng mga 1,000 titles sa Blu-Ray format, tamang-tamang magkakaroon naman ng HVD.   ;D ;D ;D


My friend who works in the film transfer/ DVD encoding industry told me that current film scanning machines have resolutions of up to 1600 (or higher I think), even more than our current 1080 resolution. Ergo, the high resolution is available, but the only problem is that there is no display  that could show it.  I have read abt 1600 resolution PJs but its $60k up.

Maybe in the future we will have 1600 res displays using HVD disks.
Title: Panasonic Blu-ray player to cost 'under $1,500'
Post by: pchin on Mar 30, 2006 at 06:24 PM
Panasonic's Blu-ray Disc player, the DMP-BD10, will set consumers back a whopping $1,500 when it ships in the US in September - up to $500 more than Sony's offering. Actually, Panasonic said the DMP-BD10's price will be "less than $1,500" - so our money's on a $1499.99 price tag...

This is even worse than Sony's player which cost $1,000  ;D
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: pchin on Mar 30, 2006 at 07:08 PM
Release Timeline:

April 18: Warner Home Video will release the first HD DVD titles, including "Million Dollar Baby," "The Last Samurai" and the "The Phantom of the Opera." The release of Toshiba HD DVD players, expected in late March, has been delayed to coincide with the release of the DVDs, which originally were scheduled to come out yesterday.

May 23: The first Blu-ray Disc titles will be released and will include "Crash," "Saw" and "Lord of War." They are expected to cost between $30 and $40. The Blu-ray players will be released about the same time with a price tag of about $1,000 for Sony's BDP-S1 Blu-ray Disc player.

Early November: Expected release of the PlayStation 3, which will support the Blu-ray format.

Technology Flops:

BetaMax: The petite version of the VHS tape that failed to hold its own in the first home-theater war of the '80s. Marketing analysts expect the competing Blu-ray and HD DVDs formats to be the start of Home Theater War II.

Title: High-def DVD beats Blu-ray to market
Post by: pchin on Apr 01, 2006 at 12:18 PM
(http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/ap/tok10103310855.hmedium.jpg)

TOKYO - Toshiba began selling the first players using the next-generation HD DVD video format Friday, beating the rival Blu-ray disc format to market in a high-stakes competition to deliver theater-quality movies to living rooms.

Full article: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12093612/from/RSS/
Title: Re: High-def DVD beats Blu-ray to market
Post by: MAtZTER on Apr 01, 2006 at 05:21 PM
(http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/ap/tok10103310855.hmedium.jpg)

TOKYO - Toshiba began selling the first players using the next-generation HD DVD video format Friday, beating the rival Blu-ray disc format to market in a high-stakes competition to deliver theater-quality movies to living rooms.

Full article: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12093612/from/RSS/

Wow, I like the one at the left.  ;D ;D ;D Very nice buttons
Title: Re: High-def DVD beats Blu-ray to market
Post by: Munskie on Apr 01, 2006 at 11:15 PM
Wow, I like the one at the left.  ;D ;D ;D Very nice buttons
yeah...ako rin...leftist... ;D
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: ricky on Apr 02, 2006 at 12:03 AM
Matz and Muns kaya kayo may HPO eh ;D sorry ot
Title: The death of DVDs
Post by: pchin on Apr 02, 2006 at 01:05 PM
(http://www.ameinfo.com/images/news/4/23624-dvd_death.jpg)

"The news that UK shops will soon stop selling VHS tapes of films is as ironic as it is significant. For the DVD format that has ousted poor old tape is itself already heading towards obsoletion. Tomorrow's battle is not VHS vs Betamax, or tape vs disk, but HD-DVD vs Blu-Ray."

Full article: http://www.ameinfo.com/81946.html

IMHO DVD won't become obsolete that fast. Due to the new tech & high cost of of next gen HD player/movie, DVD will live on for many more years to come as those folks that are still embracing the old VCD may find this as a good timing, hence finally transfer to the DVD stream.
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: hemisphere on Apr 02, 2006 at 03:32 PM
whoa! exciting...

i thought the title says.. Death of UMDs! hehehehe

 ;D ;)
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: Munskie on Apr 02, 2006 at 10:49 PM
dang!!...this is getting pretty exciting....i dont even have the means now how to get a budget for this new gen players but im already planning a strategy on how to explain to my wife an incoming purchase.  a bigger dang i guess.... ;D ;D 
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: pchin on Apr 02, 2006 at 11:14 PM
Munskie, better start saving  ;D Yeah telling your wifey will be a BIG task...should you really decided to get involved in the next gen format....you will have to explain to her in getting a HDTV, HD player & HD movie discs..  ;D
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: Mo®pHeOu$ on Apr 04, 2006 at 01:03 PM
 ;D ;D ;D

Wow!!  The Toshiba HD-DVD players sells at a whooping price of US$939. 

Magkano pa kaya yan kapag napunta na dito sa ating bayan?

Well, as most of new technologies go, the longer the wait, the cheaper it gets.  ;)

Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: pchin on Apr 04, 2006 at 01:10 PM
Mo®pHeOu$, the cheapest HD player from Toshiba is at US$499  ;)

Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: Munskie on Apr 04, 2006 at 09:03 PM
whats the difference between the cheaper toshiba player ($499) and the expensive one  ($799?).... ;D
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: pchin on Apr 04, 2006 at 09:57 PM
From a Toshiba article:

"The higher-end model, the HD-XA1, will include four DSP engines for audio output, along with two front USB ports, stabilizing feet and multiple user interfaces."   :)

Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: slowhand on Apr 06, 2006 at 11:27 AM
These guys are talking to me. Maybe to you too?  :)
Hmm, or maybe my budget officer hacked their site!  ;D

CNET Recommends... (http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-6463_7-6462511-5.html?tag=nav)
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: barrister on Apr 06, 2006 at 05:54 PM
Magkaroon din kaya ng disc rot ang mga BD and HD-DVD discs?

Sa laserdiscs unang lumabas ang phenomenon na yan, which they called "laser rot".  Nang lumabas ang DVD, sabi nila, wala nang rot sa DVD because DVDs are smaller and more rigid, and because better adhesives have been developed.  Mas magaling na daw ang tech para sa DVD because the manufacturers learned from their mistakes in LD pressing methods. 

As we know, nagkaroon din ng rot ang mga DVD.


Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: Munskie on Apr 18, 2006 at 08:58 AM
Guys, Toshiba hd player has already released its hd dvd players....its real there na (guess who was the first adopter here..hehe).  Its gonna be real to us when we find it in our local shops na, so start saving up boys.  ;D ;D
Title: HD-DVDs
Post by: viperkid on Apr 22, 2006 at 01:21 PM
Last Tuesday saw the release of the "new" DVD format, The HD-DVD. But the players are hard to find right now.  HD-DVDs cost about $5 more, but the players are a lot more expensive. Blu-Ray hasn't come out yet, and the studios haven't figured out which format to back.The PS3 will determine the winner. DVDs aren't going anywhere anytime soon. The Verdict is stick with regular DVDs for now and see when Blu-Ray VS. HD-DVD battle comes out. Discuss...
Title: Re: HD-DVDs
Post by: Movie_Geek_Tom on Apr 22, 2006 at 09:59 PM
Moe on this on www.Joblo.com
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: Movie_Geek_Tom on Apr 22, 2006 at 10:50 PM
Meron na, I was at Automatic Centre gateway yesterday. They already have the HD DVD player comes with the usual optical, s-video and av connection plus a HDMI. around 20k++++
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: pchin on Apr 23, 2006 at 12:30 AM
Wow really? That's good news for those early adopters in the Philippines. :D

I thought after shipping cost, etc the item will be above 30k na... Did they play any HD demo using this machine? :)
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: hemisphere on Apr 23, 2006 at 03:03 AM
20k?? anong brand?

 :o
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: pchin on Apr 23, 2006 at 07:33 AM
Yeah, I'm surprised it's around 20k+ lang & it could reach our local market that fast?  :) Movie_Geek_Tom, are you referring to Toshiba HD DVD player?

Is Automatic Centre gateway the one in Cubao, Gateway Mall? If one branch is selling so I'm sure the rest will be selling too? Will check later in Makati branch :)
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: baby on Apr 23, 2006 at 07:40 AM
Im going to automatic center later to see if it;s toshiba. :)
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: Munskie on Apr 23, 2006 at 09:24 AM
meron na?  sana me confirmation....coz i phoned toshiba philippines...they don't even know hd dvd....tapos they transferred me to their distributor, wala rin, di rin nila alam, funny, the sales person i talked to don't even have an idea what high definition is.  If confirmed na meron na nga sa automatic center, and its priced at P20k+, its a bargain na...considering its $499 na in the US.  Pa confirm na lang sir baby.. ;D ;D
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: pchin on Apr 23, 2006 at 09:37 AM
Hehe they don't even know what's HD DVD or high definition is?? Gosh! :P Obviously, we here know more about the latest tech info. Shame on them considering they're the Toshiba Philippines & none of their rep can answer a simple question!  :o ;D
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: Munskie on Apr 23, 2006 at 09:38 AM
yup....its funny mas informed pa tayo sa mga products nila.... ;D ;D
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: pchin on Apr 23, 2006 at 03:00 PM
Meron na, I was at Automatic Centre gateway yesterday. They already have the HD DVD player comes with the usual optical, s-video and av connection plus a HDMI. around 20k++++

Bro are you sure or could be a mistaken identity? This morning I went around in Makati & checked all the major video/audio shops including Authomatic Center. They verify that currently no such HD DVD in the Philippines yet.  :-\
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: aeris30 on Apr 23, 2006 at 04:54 PM
Been to automatic center gateway this afternoon...no toshiba hd dvd player on sale there...the only toshiba dvd player they have are the toshiba sd-350e with hdmi with srp of P12,000+ and one lower model with karaoke function that says high resolution player on the box but definitely no Toshiba HD-A1 hd dvd player.

Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: pchin on Apr 23, 2006 at 05:12 PM
It's a false alarm after all... :-[
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: hemisphere on Apr 23, 2006 at 05:50 PM
do you suggest that we wait until the technology (and acceptance) stabilize?

 8)
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: slowhand on Apr 23, 2006 at 06:48 PM
bro hemisphere, scroll back to page 20 and find my post and see if the recommendation works for you
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: hemisphere on Apr 23, 2006 at 06:57 PM
teka lemme see. funny i have to question.. even if they recommend to buy the player now.. di pa pala kaya. have allocated my budget for summer. thanks slowhand sir.

 8)
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: hemisphere on Apr 23, 2006 at 07:04 PM
that's a nice perspective!

going for these points in the article:

- Price deflation
- Waiting for PS3

-DVDs are still pretty great!


thanks slowhand sir.


 8) 8)
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: pchin on Apr 23, 2006 at 07:42 PM
I'll never forget the first time I watched a HD demo. It blew me away instantly. I mean, you can actually see the much improved degree of clarity as if I was watching out the window, almost as if I can touch it, the incredible color of the fruits, etc.  :D

I'm a true HD convert. The truth of the matter is that until people actually sit-down and watch a "true HD" show or sporting event, they will not know what they are missing.

Having said that, many consumers are torn about the whole HD DVD & Blu-ray format war. I know that the quality will be far superior to DVD & just cannot bring myself to go out and spend hundreds of dollars on a player and hundreds more for movies that may not be around in a year or so if that format loses the battle.

Currently, I'm using an upconverting DVD player on my 42" HDTV (RPTV 3LCD) at 720p thru HDMI which resulting in near high definition viewing experience. For this manner, I believe this is a safe bet for the next year or two until the cost and future of HD movie viewing is more stable & affordable. :D

In general, I'm a Blu-ray supporter & will be holding my breath until the release of PS3 as being the cheapest BD player in the market. If only reviews on the PS3's BD capability proven highly positive, then only will myself consider a purchase in the future.... :)

Meanwhile...yes DVD is still looking great! Long live DVD! More quality LE release pls...   ;)
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: hemisphere on Apr 23, 2006 at 08:03 PM
expect a significant price drop on dvds also in the coming months. as for me, im placing my money on HDDVD. it would be my next target this year.

 8)
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: baby on Apr 24, 2006 at 11:51 AM
Went to almost all video stores in makati.  They think I'm crazy.  I think pchin have the same experince. ;D

their reaction "HD DVD?  Ahhhh Ano po yun????"  ???
 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: pchin on Apr 24, 2006 at 12:57 PM
Ay nako...spending half of a day searching for the unknown & no result  >:( Yeah, most sales reps didn't know what wasI talking about except one helpful guy at Automatic Center who took the initiative to verify.  :-[ 
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: viperkid on May 12, 2006 at 09:01 PM
I suggest if anybody is thinking about getting a Blu-Ray Player get a PS3 because it is much cheaper compared to Blu-Ray Player ($600 Vs. $1000). Launch date for PS3 is on November 17 2006. One more thing there is a rumor that LG is developing a Blu-Ray and HD combo player.
Title: must-read for those into HD DVD
Post by: blag on May 13, 2006 at 11:20 AM
thought you people might find this interesting....

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/05/11/technology/11pogue.html?_r=1&oref=slogin
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: hemisphere on May 13, 2006 at 12:29 PM
nice post blag. this technology is bound to fail until prices of the gears stabilize. it would take a year or so before everyone can catch up.

 8)
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: Munskie on May 13, 2006 at 01:01 PM
In a year or so, we'll have choices as far as players are concerned (RCA will release its HD DVD player this month)...and title library would have beefed up by then.  Price drops too... ;D ;D
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: slowhand on May 22, 2006 at 09:27 AM
Pioneer ships first Blu-ray computer drive  (http://reviews.cnet.com/4531-10921-6528546.html?tag=cnetfd.sd)
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: Dowals on May 22, 2006 at 11:00 AM
Dumadami ang architecs sa pinoydvd  ;D
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: MAtZTER on May 22, 2006 at 02:53 PM
Pioneer ships first Blu-ray computer drive  (http://reviews.cnet.com/4531-10921-6528546.html?tag=cnetfd.sd)

Whoa!  :o :o :o

$1,000 for a drive and $18 for the disk! Thats too much
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: barrister on May 23, 2006 at 05:03 PM
HD-DVD vs. Blu Ray is frequently compared with the Betamax vs. VHS format war.

Pero sa tingin ko, mas bagay na analogy ang DVD-Audio vs. SACD war.

They said that DVD-Audio and SACD would replace the old CD.  Well, CDs are still the general public's music format of choice, di ba?  DVD-Audio and SACD are still around, but just barely holding on for dear life.

My fearless forecast is that DVD, HD-DVD and Blu-Ray will co-exist in the marketplace.  However, like the CD which remains immensely more popular than DVD-Audio and SACD, the DVD will likewise remain overwhelmingly more popular than HD-DVD and Blu-Ray.

Sabi nila around 5 years ago, malapit na raw ma phase-out ang VCD, papalitan na ng DVD. Pero pumunta ka sa mga video shops like Astro --  nabawasan pa ang DVD titles, at lalo pang dumami ang VCD titles! 
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: pchin on May 23, 2006 at 08:04 PM
One thing for sure, as DVD price drop, it will open to many new markets where previously those consumers shy away...but not anymore...the reign of DVD in many third world country may in fact has actually just begun!  :D
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: Dowals on May 24, 2006 at 09:11 AM
HD-DVD vs. Blu Ray is frequently compared with the Betamax vs. VHS format war.

Pero sa tingin ko, mas bagay na analogy ang DVD-Audio vs. SACD war.

They said that DVD-Audio and SACD would replace the old CD.  Well, CDs are still the general public's music format of choice, di ba?  DVD-Audio and SACD are still around, but just barely holding on for dear life.

My fearless forecast is that DVD, HD-DVD and Blu-Ray will co-exist in the marketplace.  However, like the CD which remains immensely more popular than DVD-Audio and SACD, the DVD will likewise remain overwhelmingly more popular than HD-DVD and Blu-Ray.

Sabi nila around 5 years ago, malapit na raw ma phase-out ang VCD, papalitan na ng DVD. Pero pumunta ka sa mga video shops like Astro --  nabawasan pa ang DVD titles, at lalo pang dumami ang VCD titles! 

VCD to date, in my opinion, still has majority of the market share (video industry) because of its low prices.  Even the sale prices of DVDs (P299) is still too much for the ordinary pinoy  :-\

this will be the case also for the DVD & HD/blu-ray, if latter have sky high prices, pinoys (like me) may opt not to upgrade.
Title: Movie industry may drop HDCP until 2012
Post by: pchin on May 24, 2006 at 03:50 PM
Top movie studios look set to delay the HDCP copy protection system - which would only work on next-gen DVD players with HDMI ports, unlike the low-end PS3 and Microsoft's Xbox 360 HD-DVD peripheral - for four to six years.

The move would mean that all movie content produced until 2010 at the earliest, and possibly as far as 2012, will not carry the Image Constraint Token - a security feature which would restrict high-definition playback only to equipment with HDMI ports and HDCP encryption.

Full article:
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=17211
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: techdude on May 25, 2006 at 03:35 AM
The later the better, the more copy protection, the harder it is to be mass marketed.  As it is, HD-DVD has a miniscule market here in our country, first, HDTV will have to be mass market (my guess is if their price drop to 20,000-30,000).  On regular TVs, most people feel VCD is good enough, and the next step up, DVD surely is great for most folks.  It would take HDTV to appreciate the HD-DVD experience.
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: Mo®pHeOu$ on Jun 04, 2006 at 11:57 AM
I suggest if anybody is thinking about getting a Blu-Ray Player get a PS3 because it is much cheaper compared to Blu-Ray Player ($600 Vs. $1000). Launch date for PS3 is on November 17 2006. One more thing there is a rumor that LG is developing a Blu-Ray and HD combo player.

is it true that it can also accomodate HD-DVD? 

thanks.

Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: pchin on Jun 04, 2006 at 03:21 PM
Yep if LG's plan materialize...the the player can play both HD formats...CooL!  8) but the price could cost a BOM!  ;D
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: barrister on Jun 04, 2006 at 08:18 PM
It would take HDTV to appreciate the HD-DVD experience.




This article states that an appreciable difference will only be present if the HD display is 50" or larger:

http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-6449_7-6510291-1.html?tag=cnetfd.ld1
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: pchin on Jun 04, 2006 at 10:04 PM
HDTV should be at least 42" & above and as long viewed within the recommended distance, viewers will still be able to appreciate the HD quality. :)
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: barrister on Jun 04, 2006 at 10:19 PM
Yup, you're right. 

At sinabi naman ng author na may malinaw na improvement talaga kahit sa Panasonic 42" plasma HD nila: 

"We flipped back and forth between the TV's two HDMI inputs, and though the HD-DVD image was distinctly sharper and clearly had the edge, the difference wasn't huge.  We're pretty certain, however, that you'll see a much bigger difference the bigger you go."

Pero sabi din niya, "the difference wasn't huge"
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: Munskie on Jun 07, 2006 at 04:00 PM
tahimik ah....kelan ba release ng Blu-ray?  Yung pala RCA na hd-dvd player is essentially the Toshiba player.  ;D
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: MAtZTER on Jun 07, 2006 at 04:12 PM
Yup, you're right. 

At sinabi naman ng author na may malinaw na improvement talaga kahit sa Panasonic 42" plasma HD nila: 

"We flipped back and forth between the TV's two HDMI inputs, and though the HD-DVD image was distinctly sharper and clearly had the edge, the difference wasn't huge.  We're pretty certain, however, that you'll see a much bigger difference the bigger you go."

Pero sabi din niya, "the difference wasn't huge"

If this is the case, then I believe its the 1080p that is worth waiting for (for my purposes), w/c is still not yet with the first gen players.

Its best to adopt late, IMO. I have no big complaints with DVD + upconverting DVDP's naman eh.
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: Munskie on Jun 07, 2006 at 09:23 PM
Pag nauso high definition in 1080p, darami na rin at bababa mga presyo ng mga 1080p monitors.  I guess the next generation PJs would also be native 1080p.  I bet the successor to  panny ae900 would be native 1080p na rin....probably next year?   ang bilis din rin kasi magpalit ng panny.  ;D ;D
Title: Sony BDP-S1 Blu-ray Player Delayed
Post by: pchin on Jun 10, 2006 at 11:34 AM
Sony BDP-S1 Blu-ray Player Delayed:

"Sony quietly announced on its Sony Style website that the BDP-S1 Blu-ray Disc Player won’t be shipping until “on or about August 15, 2006.” This is not quite the date the company had originally announced for the $1000 player, which was to coincide with the launch of the first disks. Samsung’s first Blu-ray player has its launch planned for around that same time, still on track for its scheduled June 25 rollout.

Let’s just hope when it finally does arrive, this Sony Blu-ray player not as half-baked as the lame Toshiba HD-A1, the unfortunate poster child for those who urge consumer electronics manufacturers to rush their products to market." – Charlie White
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: barrister on Jun 13, 2006 at 11:34 PM
NEWS:  Blu-Ray Delayed Again.    ...  and again ...  and again ...


Sony Blu-ray player release date: formerly May 23, 2006; then June 25, 2006; then July 2006; now Aug. 15, 2006;

Samsung Blu-ray player release date: formerly June 25, 2006; then Aug. 2006; now Sept. 2006;

Pioneer Blu-ray player release date: formerly May 2006; then June 2006, now Sept. 2006. 


What next?


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June 8, 2006 Does the BD abbreviation stand for Blu-ray Disc or Blu-ray Delayed?http://www.ultimateavmag.com/news/060806bluraydelays/

Samsung delay :   http://www.pocket-lint.co.uk/news.php?newsId=3626

Pioneer delay :  http://tech.moneycontrol.com/news/sony-and-pioneer-blu-ray-products-delayed/1495/india/
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: pchin on Jun 13, 2006 at 11:55 PM
Maybe they should just save their embarrassment by indicating a safe release date such as 1 Jan 2007 instead making themselves look like fools....keep on postponing teh dates... :P

On a positive note, perhaps they are fine tuning their monster machines & will beat plus out-perform every crap out of HD-DVD?  ::) Only time will tell... ;D
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: barrister on Jun 15, 2006 at 01:21 PM
Samsung sticks to its Jun. 25, 2006 release for U.S., but European release will be in Sept. 2006.

http://www.tgdaily.com/2006/06/14/samsung_to_launch_blu-ray_on_25_june/
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: av_phile1 on Jun 15, 2006 at 03:13 PM
Just curious what BD titles would be available come release date? Read that Fifth Element will be bundled with a Sony BD player.  Any other title?  TIA
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: barrister on Jun 15, 2006 at 10:02 PM
June 20, 2006
• 50 First Dates (Sony)
• The Fifth Element (Sony)
• Hitch (Sony)
• House of Flying Daggers (Sony)
• A Knight's Tale (Sony)
• The Last Waltz (MGM)
• Resident Evil: Apocalypse (Sony)
• Underworld: Evolution (Sony)
• xXx (Sony)


Release Schedule:  http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/releasedates.html
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: av_phile1 on Jun 16, 2006 at 12:01 PM
Thanks Barrister, looks like there'd be close to 200 BD titles before the year ends. (assuming they get released before the year ends.  ;D) Hopefully, there'd be HT receivers with the proper audio decoders as well, or will they be limited to the players only?
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: barrister on Jun 16, 2006 at 09:48 PM
Hopefully, there'd be HT receivers with the proper audio decoders as well, or will they be limited to the players only?

AFAIK, sa players lang ang lossless decoding for now and the immediate future.  Sa tingin ko, magkakaroon din ng decoding sa receivers, pero sigurado rin na matatagalan pa 'yon. 

But I still doubt if HD-DVD and BD sales will ever take off.  Parang DVD-Audio and SACD siguro 'yan.  I was surprised to learn that vinyl LP unit sales are even higher than the combined unit sales of DVD-Audio and SACD.   http://www.twice.com/article/CA6323582.html
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: Munskie on Jun 25, 2006 at 08:25 PM
An article from audioholics...

10 Reasons Why High Definition DVD Formats Have Already Failed (clicky) (http://www.audioholics.com/news/editorials/10reasonsHDDVDsfailed.php)
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: pchin on Jun 25, 2006 at 09:26 PM
Yeah as with any new technology, bounds to have bugs in the initial stage & lots of problem. Give it a few years to mature...  :)
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: barrid on Jun 26, 2006 at 04:13 AM
Noticed that all the Blu-ray disc at Walmart  doesn't have a Special Features. But cost below $20. I'll stay with DVD for now.  :)
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: pchin on Jun 26, 2006 at 09:59 AM
I 2nd that  ;)
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: barrister on Jun 26, 2006 at 05:09 PM
(http://www.digitmag.co.uk/images/news/5880/0621-samsung-bluray-02.jpg)


Samsung:  First Blu-ray player

http://www.digitmag.co.uk/news/index.cfm?NewsID=5880



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You've heard of HVD's (holographic versatile disc) 3.9 Terabyte capacity?  Wala 'yan sa lolo ko.

The Hyper CD, which has a 10 Terabyte capacity, is patented in 21 countries including the USA, Canada and Japan.

http://www.dntb.ro/users/frdbuc/hyper-cdrom/hyper.htm

http://www.playfuls.com/news_03165_Blu_Ray_and_HD_DVD_beaten_by_the_Hyper_CD.html
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: barracuda on Jun 27, 2006 at 09:34 AM
Interesting read....

http://www.audioholics.com/news/editorials/10reasonsHDDVDsfailed.php
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: Dracula on Jun 27, 2006 at 03:38 PM
I've learned my lesson from the whole SACD and DVD-Audio experience I'm going to hold off getting a blu ray player until its already an established format ;D
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: av_phile1 on Jul 04, 2006 at 10:57 AM
I've opined in another thread that the video industry seems to repeating the mistakes of the audio industry.  This is the battle royale between SACD and DVD-A that somehow never made a dent on the CD's position as the dominant audio format.   Audioholics seems to get it right - a format war, very few titles,  and the absence of any timebound gameplan from recording studios to phase out the old format ensured both DVD-A and SACD can only muster a small niche market.    In fact, in the age of internet downloadable audio streams, the emergence of MP3 over the last few years seems to indicate it is now head to head with CD as the dominant audio format and could be the one to overtake CD. 

The same could happen to HD-DVD and Blu-Ray.  With such underwhelming debuts from either camps, it will be a long steep climb for either to phase-out the very popular DVD format.  The only way to phase out DVD is for the studios to declare no more new titles in DVD format - something I doubt they will do.
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: barrister on Jul 31, 2006 at 04:58 PM
Blu-ray: Can it Survive?
Evan Powell
July 14, 2006


Excerpts:

"... The HD-DVD image was much higher in contrast and showed beautiful detail in high resolution that was completely lost in the DVD. It was smoother, cleaner, and much more three-dimensional. The standard DVD looked surprisingly dull and grainy in comparison. ...


"The Blu-ray launch delivered a rude surprise—picture quality that is moderately better than that available on standard DVD, but not rising to the level of anything one could call high definition. ... "


Full text:  http://www.projectorcentral.com/blu-ray_2.htm
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: av_phile1 on Aug 17, 2006 at 03:25 PM
Avforums are also trouncing on the poor performance of the blu-ray debut.  It seeems SONY is heading the same road as it did with its Beta format.  Too early to tell?   Maybe. 

But whichever wins, I have doubts HD will ever supplant regular DVDs.  Firstly, the reluctance and outright refusal of major brands to licence the technology to CHINA will gurantee it will never approach the price levels of DVD players at this time.  And with no pirated titles (unless another eropean kid hacks into it)  the regular ttiles will be priced too high for the ordinary juan.   Not to mention the HD displays which I doubt would even go sub-50T in the local market in the next 5 years.   Further ensuring that HD will remain a niche player for the moneyed class. 
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: pchin on Aug 18, 2006 at 01:18 AM
Totally agree with av_phile1  ;)
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: barrid on Aug 18, 2006 at 12:14 PM
Seems to me that these new technologies are not DVD-BUSTERS after all.  ;D
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: av_phile1 on Aug 18, 2006 at 03:48 PM
True.  But I just might have to eat my own words later than sooner   ;D  And I really wouldn't mind. 

Toshiba has just licensed HD-DVD technology to a number of manufacturers in China.

http://www.iht.com/articles/2005/10/20/business/dvd.php

This is direct contrast with the BR camp that considers this a threat to their profits and R&D investments.   I am glad Toshibia did what is best for consumers, not for the business.  But in the long run, with a sizeable market on their belt and with HD-DVD winning the format war, it will certainly to their benefit.  Soon, we can expect lost cost HD players to flood the world as China did for DVD players.  It probably won't be as cheap as those generic DVD players, because hardware royalties would now be paid to Toshiba.  But at least, it should be within reach of middle income wage earners not only here but everywhere.   
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: MAtZTER on Aug 22, 2006 at 01:37 PM
True.  But I just might have to eat my own words later than sooner   ;D  And I really wouldn't mind. 

Toshiba has just licensed HD-DVD technology to a number of manufacturers in China.

http://www.iht.com/articles/2005/10/20/business/dvd.php

This is direct contrast with the BR camp that considers this a threat to their profits and R&D investments.   I am glad Toshibia did what is best for consumers, not for the business.  But in the long run, with a sizeable market on their belt and with HD-DVD winning the format war, it will certainly to their benefit.  Soon, we can expect lost cost HD players to flood the world as China did for DVD players.  It probably won't be as cheap as those generic DVD players, because hardware royalties would now be paid to Toshiba.  But at least, it should be within reach of middle income wage earners not only here but everywhere.   

Hmm , its not surprising for Sony to think this way. Good move for Toshiba. good for us consumers.
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: barrister on Oct 02, 2006 at 02:18 AM
The case of the Terminator trilogy is truly absurd.  If you want it in Hi-Def, you'll need both a Blu-Ray player AND an HD-DVD player.  Terminator 1 & 2 are in Blu-Ray format; Terminator 3 is in HD-DVD format.   

Man, what a mess!

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Amusing article:

Swanni's 2006 'HD Horribles'  http://www.tvpredictions.com/fall2006hd092706.htm

Swanni's 2006 'HD Honeys'    http://www.tvpredictions.com/fallparttwo092706.htm
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: sandbox51ph on Jan 29, 2011 at 07:28 AM
Reading of this thread, Rise of the Blue rays na! hehe...alot of our fellow Pinoydvd members has upgraded to he next level...
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: viper on Jun 26, 2018 at 12:03 PM
In fact, in the age of internet downloadable audio streams, the emergence of MP3 over the last few years seems to indicate it is now head to head with CD as the dominant audio format and could be the one to overtake CD. 

The same could happen to HD-DVD and Blu-Ray.  With such underwhelming debuts from either camps, it will be a long steep climb for either to phase-out the very popular DVD format.  The only way to phase out DVD is for the studios to declare no more new titles in DVD format - something I doubt they will do.

How prophetic. Disc based movies are being sidelined by movies and shows available online and at 4k quality
Title: Re: DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
Post by: DViant on Jun 26, 2018 at 01:27 PM
How prophetic. Disc based movies are being sidelined by movies and shows available online and at 4k quality
Applicable on the high end and non-technophobe. For people who are scared of technology released since 2008 then discs still rule.

I am rather thankful the last DVD I bought was the Two Towers Extended Edition way back in 2003. I wouldnt have bought a new TV if it weren't for Netflix's 4K streams.

Although compression and bitrate of streaming content diminishes image quality vs disc.