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Title: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: narzimus on Oct 16, 2004 at 01:43 AM
Can anyone help me choose av receiver with my 20k budget. im upgrading my HT.

Title: Re: My 20k budget
Post by: edboy7 on Oct 16, 2004 at 03:18 AM
if i had that budget ill go for  marantz4500 for 17500 on sale @5th ave or yamaha 450 for17500(not sure)@ ambassador :)..me sukli ka pa pambili ng dvd  ;D .happy hunting bro
Title: Re: My 20k budget
Post by: arthurallanj on Oct 16, 2004 at 08:30 AM
Bro,
Do you mean upgrade everything? Or just the amp? Looks to me you also need a speaker upgrade. Just me though.  ;D
Title: Re: My 20k budget
Post by: zakkaz on Oct 16, 2004 at 11:20 AM
spectra is still offering BPI 0% 6 months for the yamaha receivers, denon and  harman kardon
i think the price for the yamaha rxv450 is 16700
denon 1604 is 17200
harman avr130 is 19900
check out the prices again if you drop by parksquare 1
Title: Re: My 20k budget
Post by: narzimus on Oct 16, 2004 at 09:47 PM
     
arthurallanj

sir bakit kailangan ko pang mag upgrade ng speaker..? upgrade ba kailangan ko o magdadagdag n lang ako...
tnx..
need more advice. naloko kase ako last time na bumili ako.. indi match yung package na binenta skin...
 
 
 
 
 
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: levi on Oct 18, 2004 at 12:48 AM
I edited the title
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: Philander on Oct 18, 2004 at 07:29 AM
Marantz 4500
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: kenchix1 on Dec 08, 2004 at 05:00 PM
It all depends on your preferences.

If you prefer watching DVDs, get a yamaha or an onkyo. Those receivers are good for sound effects. If you prefer listening more on CDs then get a Marrantz, Denon or HK.

If you have a tight budget, get a receiver with lower power rating like 70-85 watts/ch because most of the time receivers with higher power rating cost a little bit higher. (PMPO mentality ? I don't know.) with 70-85 watts/ch. for me, Im satisfied with 75-85 watts/ch of a Yamaha RXV 595.

You can also consider a receiver with options such as, bridgeable, bi-wiring options, dual pair main speakers (A-B speakers), Phono input,  and the likes.

There are good deals out there that you can get, just wait patiently. About me, Im satisfied with my RXV-595 (bedroom) and Denon 2700 (living room) which I got for very very low price. ;)

These are just my opinions. :)
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: narzimus on Dec 08, 2004 at 07:54 PM
Tnx sir kenchix1. I got yamaha 650. Im in to HT (Movies)  kze eh.
 
 
 
 
 

Title: Re: My 20k budget
Post by: JojoD818 on Dec 08, 2004 at 09:22 PM
     
arthurallanj

sir bakit kailangan ko pang mag upgrade ng speaker..? upgrade ba kailangan ko o magdadagdag n lang ako...
tnx..
need more advice. naloko kase ako last time na bumili ako.. indi match yung package na binenta skin...
 
 
 
 
 

sana pala post mo kung san yun shop na nagbenta sayo noon para naman hindi na kami maloko pa nun.  ;)
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: narzimus on Dec 08, 2004 at 09:43 PM
Sir jojo sensya na po indi ko na post agad. it was western marketing sa festival mall.
Hindi much yung package na binenta skin.
Yung AVR walang coax at optical yung dvd player meron.
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: akyatbundok on Dec 08, 2004 at 10:10 PM
I got yamaha 650. Im in to HT (Movies)  kze eh.

narzimus, if you already got a Yamaha RX-V650 i think replacing it with a 20k receiver might not be considered a significant upgrade, unless you plan to sell the Yamaha and add the proceeds to your budget, which could give you up to 40k to spend.... may we ask what speaker/player/subwoofer you are currently using?
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: narzimus on Dec 09, 2004 at 01:00 AM
sir akyatbundok

Sorry sir, bago po yung yamaha 650 ko.
My topic was edited by sir levi. previously it was "my 20K budget" (b4 i bought my yamaha 650 )
Am referring to my 20k budget for my upgrade. I used pioneer vsx 209 as my receiver b4.

On your question on what speakers:

pioneer s-hs88f - front ( 160w 8ohm floorstanding )
pioneer s-hs88c - center ( 160w 8ohms
pioneer s-hs88r - surround 160w 8 ohms
konzert 200w subs.

sorry for the confusions. maybe you could close this topic,  nakabili na po kze ako ng AVR
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: av_phile1 on Dec 09, 2004 at 11:06 AM
Well, I think you're already on cloud 9 with that set-up.  ;D  Happy viewing/listening.    ;D
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: akyatbundok on Dec 09, 2004 at 11:53 AM
sir akyatbundok

Sorry sir, bago po yung yamaha 650 ko.
My topic was edited by sir levi. previously it was "my 20K budget" (b4 i bought my yamaha 650 )
Am referring to my 20k budget for my upgrade. I used pioneer vsx 209 as my receiver b4.


ahh ok..... that's a good choice, rated best-buy by homecinemachoice.
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: garee on Dec 09, 2004 at 12:02 PM
do you think that yamaha rx-v450 6.1 avr is a good entry level? enough for you not to upgrade in a year or two...
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: narzimus on Dec 09, 2004 at 07:23 PM
Sir av-phile1 & sir akyatbundok

Tnx.. yah your right im in the cloud-9. hehehe.. sulit na sulit!
Title: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: keema on Feb 25, 2005 at 01:01 PM
hi! plano kong bumili ng a/v receiver...and...here is my choices...marantz sr4400, harman kardon avr 130, yamaha rxv 450...can you pls. help me which one of these receivers would you think is the best...and also, what speaker do you think is compatible with your preferred receiver...thanks...
Title: Re: hi! suggestion pls...
Post by: mcbry on Feb 25, 2005 at 01:47 PM
sir keema, saan mo po ba mostly gagamitin ito sa ht or audio?  how much din po ba ang budget mo for speakers?

given the choices above, i choose harman kardon avr130 pair with a monitor audio bronze (b2 or b4) series speakers... maganda match nito and marami narin dito (pinoydvd) ang gumagamit ng ganitong combo... i'm one of those  ;D

Title: Re: hi! suggestion pls...
Post by: zakkaz on Feb 25, 2005 at 07:05 PM
hi! plano kong bumili ng a/v receiver...and...here is my choices...marantz sr4400, harman kardon avr 130, yamaha rxv 450...can you pls. help me which one of these receivers would you think is the best...and also, what speaker do you think is compatible with your preferred receiver...thanks...
try to audition it first so that you'll be able to differentiate it and is best for your ears
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: keema on Feb 26, 2005 at 01:30 PM
sir mcbry...gagamitin ko sa pang HT and audio...meron na kse akong existing front speakers na kenwood. bale, yun muna ang gagamitin kong speakers. receiver lang bale muna. so, sa tingin mo yung HK avr 130 yung okay? tyaka, sa subwoofer anong ma susuggest mo? okay na ba yung us audio?
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: mcbry on Feb 28, 2005 at 09:20 AM
sir keema, if you're into 50/50 ht and audio i'm sure hk130 will never disappoint you...  hk130 is really good in both ht and audio... with regards sa sub, i'm not sure sa us audio coz' i haven't audition that yet... i'm sure other gurus here can help you with that... try to audition the hk130 at architectural audio (greenbelt1)... they also have subwoofer like usher, velodyne, jbl... still the best is to audition so that you'll hear what's really fitted to your satisfaction...

happy listening,
 :)
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: fivepointone on Apr 15, 2005 at 02:49 PM
yup. i agree, kaw lang makakaalam kung ano ang ok sa ears mo, we have different listening preferences eh.... i use DENON cause its very suited for my taste...bang for the buck pa! goodluck on your new receiver!!
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: garee on Apr 15, 2005 at 03:29 PM
yup. i agree, kaw lang makakaalam kung ano ang ok sa ears mo, we have different listening preferences eh.... i use DENON cause its very suited for my taste...bang for the buck pa! goodluck on your new receiver!!

does it also mean na good deal ang nasa buy and sell section.... Denon 1604 for 14k?
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: mcbry on Apr 19, 2005 at 09:47 AM
imo, you still need to audition and see the unit bro.  in this way makikita mo yung condition ng unit.  if you're satisfied with the performance and condition of the unit and malaki ang ma save mo then, i think that's a good deal already.  just my 2 cents.   :)
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: keema on Apr 19, 2005 at 08:58 PM
sir mcbry, kaw anong pipiliin mo sa 2 ito: yamaha rxv 650 or yung marantz 4500?
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: bumblebee on Apr 19, 2005 at 09:16 PM
makikisingit lang po.

if you've listened and still can't decide, toss coin :)
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: Platinum on Aug 09, 2005 at 06:27 PM
Makisingit din. Sa Yamaha ako pre.
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: aHobbit on Aug 11, 2005 at 12:24 PM
pag all metal design, pogi ni marantz  ;)
pag palakihan ng chassis - parang pareho
pag padamihan ng vanilla feature - yamaha yata  8)
pag musika - traditionally marantz  :(
pag sine - yamaha lang  ::)
pag musika at sine - bili ka dalawa  >:D
pag kulang pera - lam ko mura Yamaha (lam ko tapat ng 650 e hindi 4500)  ;D

pag ako ang kukuha, check ko muna speaker ko, kanino naka match. mas musika ako, pero gusto ko dami vanilla. pag tingin ko sa bulsa, kulang pera, Yamaha na ako!  ;D
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: jowi on Aug 12, 2005 at 12:23 AM
mga bossing pasingit na din. ok lang ba rx-v540 then i got wharfardale 9.1 muna. ok lang ba match nun? ano pa magandang pang match sa yamaha ko? thanks...
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: kt on Aug 22, 2005 at 11:57 AM
guys help naman im choosing between Marantz 4500 & Denon 1705 (or ano ba kalevel ng 4500?). wc wud be good for 60/40 in favor of audio? may differences pa ba sa pag match ng speakers to?

and wat speakers wud match these? im lookoing at the wharfes 9.4 (fronts), 9cs (center), 9dfs (surround). OR yung Gale 3030 (fronts), 3050c (center), 3060 (surround). i also checked the MS 904, 905c, & ms906 surround...kaso medyo mahal na sya....TIA ???
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: 5Speed on Aug 23, 2005 at 07:05 PM
sa marantz ako....mas maganda sya sa music para sa akin....

yan eh kung di kung pasok sa budget pareho yung dalawa mong pagpipilian...

pero kung me seperate audio setup ka... at puro pang HT mo gagamitin yung AVR mo eh sa Yamaha ka....
more bells and whistles yan...hehehe
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: kt on Aug 24, 2005 at 11:17 AM
bro 5speed! yup im really considering marantz4500 as ive tried it with the MS 904, 905c, & ms906 surround and with the gales... i was very impressed with the MS ang clear sbra even for movies. but i'll be using my avr more on audio...so u said ok marantz...how about the speaker matching? tnx
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: av_phile1 on Aug 25, 2005 at 01:43 PM
What is good for audio is good for HT.  Not always the reverse.  Why didn't you test the marantz + MS for stereo using a familiar CD?  Na-test mo na pala using 5.1 set-up, bakit di kapa nag-salang ng CD and put the receiver on stereo mode?
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: kt on Aug 25, 2005 at 03:34 PM
sir av! i did try it on stereo mode also and its still clear for me. ya i read that here somewhere. why is that  "What is good for audio is good for HT.  Not always the reverse."

sorry just a newbie....pls enlighten...tnx sirs!
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: bumblebee on Aug 25, 2005 at 03:50 PM
Sa HT kasi, basta naramdaman mo yung pagsabog at naintindihan mo yung dialog, ok ka na. And the video part, more often than not, takes most of your attention.

In audio, ears lang gumagana. Madaling makita yung flaws ng system kasi mas konti yung naghahati sa attention mo. Para ma-minimize yung flaws, get good audio gears.
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: kt on Aug 25, 2005 at 05:32 PM
bro bumble yup i got that! so its best to invest on a bit better gears than the entry levels?
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: av_phile1 on Aug 25, 2005 at 05:35 PM
Yup, Bumblebee said it to the point.  

Let me just add that HT is part visuals and part audio.  It's the audio part we're concerned mostly when talking about receivers and speakers.  So regardless of whether it's 5.1 or stereo, your receiver and speaker combo must be excellent as an audio playback system.  Audio in HT for the most part, except with explosions and opening/closing music, is slightly less demanding than full music playback over a longer period of time.  HT mostly has vocals and we know the limited spectral range of vocals compared with the full range of a musical piece in whatever genre.  The only thing demanding in HT are the low frequencies in explosions and other special effects which are rightly taken cared of by subwoofers, not so much by the receivers and speakers.  Still, even if you don't have a sub, a great receiver and speaker tandem that is good in music can do the job for HT's LFE though on a weaker scale.

So apart form the fact that your aural faculties are less keen with HT due to the fact your eyes get more stimulus and competes with your ear's attention, a receiver+speaker tandem that does a great job reproducing the entire 20hz-20khz spectral energies of a musical piece over extended periods of time,  there is no reason to doubt it can do a great job for HT.  

But not the reverse.  Expereince with those frequency-challenged BOSE cubes and subs show that they can be impressive with almost any HT material.  But once they go plain stereo music, they start to sound pathetic.  
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: kt on Aug 25, 2005 at 06:27 PM
sir av! tnx for the enlightnment! i got that!  ;D

now...the search continues....hehehe :D
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: bumblebee on Aug 25, 2005 at 08:58 PM
bro bumble yup i got that! so its best to invest on a bit better gears than the entry levels?

It depends on how you define entry-level. Is it the price or model of a particular brand? Me, I categorize by model. For me, I don't expect night and differences between a Yamaha RX-V450, an HK AVR130, a Denon 1705, a Marantz 4500 or an Onkyo TX-SR503. They all have their strengths and weaknesses. One may have more power but one will have more bells and whistles, one will play good music but will look bad, one looks cool but gets hot too quickly. Pick the one that meets most of your current requirements.
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: kt on Aug 26, 2005 at 10:59 AM
bro bumblebee! yup i meant by model also...its just so many of them thats y im asking others' opinions for me to be able to narrow them down n choose wats suits me best! tnx agn bros! ;D
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: bumblebee on Aug 26, 2005 at 11:03 AM
There are mid-levels that are priced closely to other brands' entry-levels. You may want to start w/ them ;)
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: kt on Aug 26, 2005 at 01:12 PM
bro bee! can u mention some of these? tnx
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: bumblebee on Aug 26, 2005 at 01:16 PM
Yamaha 650/750.
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: kt on Aug 26, 2005 at 05:36 PM
bro bee! pero they say yamaha is more for ht ryt? im more into music kasi eh....wat else po kaya bro?
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: bumblebee on Aug 26, 2005 at 07:32 PM
bro bee! pero they say yamaha is more for ht ryt? im more into music kasi eh....wat else po kaya bro?

That's what we say. You'll never really know till you listen ;)
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: H a n $ on Aug 26, 2005 at 07:52 PM
bro bee! pero they say yamaha is more for ht ryt? im more into music kasi eh....wat else po kaya bro?

More into music then HK bagay sa iyo. :)
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: kt on Aug 29, 2005 at 11:29 AM
bro hans kaso baka di na pasok sa budget ko HK? :o

help guys may dumagdag pa sa avr choices ko?!?!!? now choices are Marantz4500 (7.1ch: 80wpc) (~17t), Denon1705 (6.1ch: 75wpc?) (~18t+), Denon1905 (7.1ch) (~22500), or Onkyo tx sr-502 (6.1ch: 80wpc?) (~20700)....wat po ok 60/40 in favor of music?
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: jcob on Aug 29, 2005 at 01:19 PM
bro hans kaso baka di na pasok sa budget ko HK? :o

help guys may dumagdag pa sa avr choices ko?!?!!? now choices are Marantz4500 (7.1ch: 80wpc) (~17t), Denon1705 (6.1ch: 75wpc?) (~18t+), Denon1905 (7.1ch) (~22500), or Onkyo tx sr-502 (6.1ch: 80wpc?) (~20700)....wat po ok 60/40 in favor of music?

As other says Audition and listen.

But to answer your querry, from the choices you gave, I'll go for the Marantz. More musical to me and less expensive too as compared to others you've listed.

However, if it was me who'll buy now. I'll just buy the HK 130 posted in the buy and sell. Much more musical than those you've listed and very very cheap too. Then I'll add up the savings for a good speaker system.

that's just me.
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: kt on Aug 29, 2005 at 01:24 PM
bro jcob tnx for the reply! im really leaning towards the marantz4500. considering its already 7.1 capable n 80wpc? n also the cheapest among my choices!  ;D

ano pa po feedback ng iba? post lang po kyo! tnx
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: czedryk on Aug 29, 2005 at 01:52 PM
hi kt,

to each his own pa rin in our hobby, but personally i'd go for HK... :D

how much is your budget if i may ask?
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: kt on Aug 29, 2005 at 02:15 PM
bro czedryk! budget for avr cguro mga 22t below...n consider din po sana yung 7.1 n ample power para di na mag upgrade agad dba?
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: czedryk on Aug 29, 2005 at 04:35 PM
it's good that u already considered 7.1, mahirap kc tamaan ng SARS ngayon e... ;D
With that budget, hindi nga aabot sa HK, coz the lowest 7.1 model is around 29K+.
HK 230 is around 22.9K (which is only 6.1).
If you want, The Home Theater offers a 35+35+30 payment scheme, since the owner is also a fellow member.

I also heard a Marantz/MS combo in 5th Ave., and they sound good (although a bit on the bright side).
My advice is before buying, listen to it one more time; and after buying avoid further auditioning
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: Jairus on Aug 29, 2005 at 04:40 PM
I'd also go for the HK. Kung sa power lang hindi ka mabibitin (compare the power consumption of the 45 wpc HK vs. 80-90 wpc Denon/Onkyo/Yamaha and you'll know what I mean) ;) Aside from being musical, a lot of people here can attest that it matches well with a lot of speakers.  If it was me and I am just starting, I would go for jcob's suggestion to get the 12K HK130 posted in the buy and sell section and use the savings to get better speakers.  If your room is small to medium, 5.1 would do the job just fine.  Of course, that's just me  ;D
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: kt on Aug 29, 2005 at 04:45 PM
bro czedryk! i have actually auditioned twice the marantz4500 n MS904, ms905c & ms903 combo n i like it a lot! i also auditioned twice the wharfes 9.4, 9cs & 9dfs! your right that the MS is more on the bright side n i find it clearer n detailed thats y i find the wharfes 9.4 a bit "dull"...or maybe coz i compared it lanf sa MS? ???
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: czedryk on Aug 29, 2005 at 04:47 PM
I'd also go for the HK. Kung sa power lang hindi ka mabibitin (compare the power consumption of the 45 wpc HK vs. 80-90 wpc Denon/Onkyo/Yamaha and you'll know what I mean) ;)

You can also use the weight in comparing... ;)
My baby is 41lbs, and it's only rated @ 75wpc...
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: av_phile1 on Aug 30, 2005 at 10:46 AM
I'd also go for the HK. Kung sa power lang hindi ka mabibitin (compare the power consumption of the 45 wpc HK vs. 80-90 wpc Denon/Onkyo/Yamaha and you'll know what I mean) ;) Aside from being musical, a lot of people here can attest that it matches well with a lot of speakers.  If it was me and I am just starting, I would go for jcob's suggestion to get the 12K HK130 posted in the buy and sell section and use the savings to get better speakers.  If your room is small to medium, 5.1 would do the job just fine.  Of course, that's just me  ;D

I second the suggestion. 
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: kt on Aug 30, 2005 at 11:06 AM
hehe i know maganda po HK...kaso di pasok sa budget ko n para di narin mag upgrade agad... :-\
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: av_phile1 on Aug 30, 2005 at 11:34 AM
There's an HK130 at Assorted B & S for "12k na lang"
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: aHobbit on Aug 30, 2005 at 12:36 PM
There's an HK130 at Assorted B & S for "12k na lang"

babagal bagal ka, walang best ns darating sa yo at 12k!  ;D
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: kt on Aug 30, 2005 at 01:32 PM
hehe yup i know mura na po yung hk na yun...
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: fweyd on Sep 06, 2005 at 08:19 AM
ano po ba yung cheapest AVR na may optical input ?  :-\
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: bumblebee on Sep 06, 2005 at 08:29 AM
ano po ba yung cheapest AVR na may optical input ?  :-\

Optical input is a standard w/ today's AVR's.
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: leomar on Sep 06, 2005 at 09:29 AM
not all sir, especially those generic ones like sakura and konzert, ung nabili ko walang optical/coaxial input ...
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: bumblebee on Sep 06, 2005 at 09:31 AM
not all sir, especially those generic ones like sakura and konzert, ung nabili ko walang optical/coaxial input ...

Ay sorry po :-[ :) Thanks for the correction, leomar :)
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: fweyd on Sep 06, 2005 at 03:50 PM
I guess the cheapest AVR with Coaxial or Optical out is the Yammie RX-450 ??  ???

mahal e  :-\
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: av_phile1 on Sep 06, 2005 at 05:27 PM
A digital toslink or coax input indicates that the receiver has internal DAC circuits to convert digital to analog signals.  I supposed the added circuitry will increase the price tags of generic brands.
Title: newbie need help in choosing an amplifier/reeiver..thanks
Post by: einnoc on Dec 10, 2005 at 11:43 AM
im wud like to buy an amplifier/receiver. dahil tight ang budget im choosing between those being sold at buy an sell section of this forum pls help me in choosing between the  following..

1. onkyo tx sr501
2. yamaha rx v350
3. yamaha rx v440
4. yamaha rx v800
5. may nakalimutan ba akong ilagay?

thanks guys in advance
 :)
Title: Re: newbie need help in choosing an amplifier/reeiver..thanks
Post by: ricky on Dec 11, 2005 at 12:50 AM
bro kung onkyo vs yamaha,id get the yamaha. Now for the specific model,it all depends on your demand, i think the 350 is the latest among the 3 models you listed but not sure if it compares with the 800. :-[
Title: Re: newbie need help in choosing an amplifier/reeiver..thanks
Post by: JT on Dec 11, 2005 at 02:13 AM
im wud like to buy an amplifier/receiver. dahil tight ang budget im choosing between those being sold at buy an sell section of this forum pls help me in choosing between the  following..

1. onkyo tx sr501
2. yamaha rx v350
3. yamaha rx v440
4. yamaha rx v800
5. may nakalimutan ba akong ilagay?

thanks guys in advance
 :)

Magkano budget?

Title: Re: newbie need help in choosing an amplifier/reeiver..thanks
Post by: einnoc on Dec 11, 2005 at 07:36 AM
12k thanks
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: keema on Dec 25, 2005 at 08:21 PM
question lang po mga sirs...yung optical na connection sa mga receivers, connection ba yung between sa mga speakers and receivers or connection yun between sa receiver and player mo? mas okay ba kung naka optical connection ka?
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: hattori_hanzo on Dec 26, 2005 at 12:05 PM
question lang po mga sirs...yung optical na connection sa mga receivers, connection ba yung between sa mga speakers and receivers or connection yun between sa receiver and player mo? mas okay ba kung naka optical connection ka?

Sir, fiber optic cable ang gagamitin mo for optical between receiver and player. mas okey ang optical dahil 100% conductivity ang info exchange between receiver and player at ito rin ang ginagaimit para maka pag produce at ma decode ang dolby digital, DTS at iba pang encoded materials, use fiber optic cables to achive your receivers maximum performance.
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: moks on Jan 02, 2006 at 02:08 PM
sir hanns,

mas ok ba talaga fiber optic kaysa digital coax?
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: hattori_hanzo on Jan 02, 2006 at 02:40 PM
sir hanns,

mas ok ba talaga fiber optic kaysa digital coax?

Sir, for me mas okey ang fiber optic wag lang mapupuncture or ma badly deform ang cable. it uses light impulses which is much faster at integrated of corse syempre "speed of light". unlike sa coax although digital rin ito pero meron minimal degration coz it uses electric impluses. but this 2 manner of data interchange is not so much in difference.
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: Assassin101 on Jan 03, 2006 at 01:47 PM
question lang po mga sirs...yung optical na connection sa mga receivers, connection ba yung between sa mga speakers and receivers or connection yun between sa receiver and player mo? mas okay ba kung naka optical connection ka?


addition lang. light speed is much faster than wire speed. but optical cable is more prone to damage bcoz of its flexural limitations.
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: keema on Jan 03, 2006 at 10:07 PM
mga sirs, may tanong lang po ako...anong pinag kaiba ng speaker wire na transparent na binebenta sa hardware dun sa speaker wire na transparent na binebenta sa audiophile? syempre mas mahal yung per meter sa audiophile.
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: whipsaw on Jan 17, 2006 at 11:40 AM
Does the hardware variety read oxygen free as well? Because the audiophile ones do. Even the cheapest ones. Sorry havent seen the hardware variety e.
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: barrister on Jan 23, 2006 at 02:48 PM
mga sirs, may tanong lang po ako...anong pinag kaiba ng speaker wire na transparent na binebenta sa hardware dun sa speaker wire na transparent na binebenta sa audiophile? syempre mas mahal yung per meter sa audiophile.

(OT?)

Mas pogi ang high-end wires with transparent insulation.  Ginagaya lang ito ng mga cheap wires, kaya gumagawa na rin sila ng sarili nilang transparent insulation.

Ang problema lang sa cheap wires, low quality ang mga transparent insulation nila.  Pag nagkaroon ng chemical reaction between the copper wire and the insulation, nagkakaroon ng amag ang wire.

Ang advice ko, kung bibili ka ng transparent insulation, sa mahal ka na para tumagal (malaking hassle kasi ang pag-rewire lalo kung mahaba ang wire length).  Kung gusto mo ng mura na pareho lang ang performance, kuha ka ng non-transparent insulation -- hindi nga lang kasing-pogi.

http://www.roger-russell.com/wire/wire.htm#alllowcost
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: whipsaw on Jan 24, 2006 at 02:47 PM
i agree with barrister,

in the end, it is all about sound. i am sure if the holy grail of speaker wires happened to come in an awful package, we would learn to live with it.

incidentally, those wires at phasetron arent bad for starters. and i am certain raon would sell them cheaper if you know your way around that area. make sure you get decent wires so you wont have to replace them after hearing a better performing, but only slightly more expensive variety. i think it is a very inexpensive tweak. suggest you get better than average wires so that when you uprgrade your other gear, you wont have a double expense on new wires. anyway, anywhere you go, you will be using them.

whip
Title: newbe question (AV RECEIVER)
Post by: EHMBU on Jan 26, 2006 at 08:15 AM
Anyone can help me to choose a av receiver????

Di kasi ko makapili between denon avr 1905 or onkyo tx-sr503 or harman kardon avr235.....

pls me to choose...

TNX ALOT...
Title: a/v receiver suggestions
Post by: macmac09 on Apr 17, 2006 at 09:21 AM
hi! i am planning to build a 5.1 system which would be used mainly for music. my source would be a pioneer dvd recorder and my computer. give me suggestions on a/v reciever which i should look for. budget: let's say between 15k to 30k. tnx.
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: bukoy on May 04, 2006 at 02:02 PM
mag pioneer ka na rin para sa budget mo maganda na ang mabibile mo
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: lakambini on May 10, 2006 at 11:48 AM
what are the major considerations for an av receiver to be future-proof?
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: Jairus on May 10, 2006 at 04:22 PM
If you're more into music, you can already get an HK with that budget. What speakers are you planning to use?
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: av_phile1 on May 11, 2006 at 11:50 AM
what are the major considerations for an av receiver to be future-proof?

The way I see it, future proofing a receiver is quite limited and can be a gamble.   I am almost certain entry level receivers can't be future proofed.  But there may be exceptions.  One easy sign is the ability of the receiver to process firmware upgrades via a computer-typical terminal like an RS-232 at the back.  Some may just require a CD upload.  Upgrades on chip performance or firmware patches to solve certain quirks are quite common. Or putting in more soundfield DSP functions.  Such upgrades can often be done only within a short time, maybe a year or two at the most.  But not always on audio decoding capabilities.   Some perhaps.  Like upgrading from regular DTS to DTS-Neo.  After that,  I doubt if new audio decoding formats can be supported with those upgrades.  It may be easy to upgrade an old DTS-enabled receiver to accept DTS 24/96 or DTS-Neo.  But I doubt if the same receiver can accept firmware upgrades to the latest HD-DTS.  The data volumes in the new formats are just too immense for older chips to handle.  So it seems to me future proofing can be done, but not beyond 2-3 years from manufacture date.   That doesn't mean though you can no longer use the receiver after that.  Ofcourse you can, but you may not benefit from the newer formats.   Even 15 year old prologic receivers can still work fine these days.   But even those upgradeable flagship prologic receivers could no longer be upgraded to DD and DTS encoding abilities. 

Since the time DD and DTS first became commercially available thru DVDs, sometime late in 97, if i recall right, we're really looking at only 9 years.  Around half-way thru, the more compute intensive SACD and DVD-A came along.  Receivers took some time before they can handle the SACD bass management functions.  And I doubt if there were firmware upgrades the allowed older receivers to handle SACD.  These days, only mid-priced to flaghship models have bass management functions to handle SACD via firewire, I-link or D-link connections with similarly equipped players.  No receiver firmware upgrade  allowed any old DD/DTS receiver to handle SACD processing.  You just have to get a new receiver if you want that function.

We are now on the threshold of HD-DVD and Blu-Ray with newer audio formats like HD-DTS and Dolby TrueHD.  Within the year, I am sure new receivers with these audio formats will appear.  They will certainly make even a flagship Yamaha Z9 or the flagship Denon A1XV obsolete.   ;D  So it seems getting a new receiver at this time may not be the right time if future-proofing is a priority. 
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: rascal101 on May 11, 2006 at 11:58 AM
This new standards are confusing me ... Is there no end to this?
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: av_phile1 on May 11, 2006 at 12:08 PM
None. whatsoever.   Technology won't stand still.  But it's really up to you to define your limits.  Like I've defined mine to stop at 5.1 channels with just DD/DTS/ and DVD-A.  No more SACD, DTS NEO, prologic iix, etc.

But maybe within the next 2 years I can splurge on a major upgrade for HD audio.   ;D
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: rascal101 on May 11, 2006 at 12:13 PM
I have mine similar to yours ...
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: Signal2Noise on May 16, 2006 at 11:14 AM
This new standards are confusing me ... Is there no end to this?

Technology will never stop. The best thing to do in considering an av receiver is to determine first what kind of application you want.  There's no such thing as future-proofing kase continuous ang R&D sa mga manufacturers especially in a very close world of competition.  The important thing is determine your budget, go for the respected name in multi-channel applications like Denon or Marantz (iisang group lang halos ito D&M International), Rotel, Pioneer Elite, Integra, Arcam...etc.  Second, dapat match ang sistema (program material & loudspeakers) mo sa receiver na bibilhin, you have a good receiver but it didn't matches your loudspeakers then useless, sayang ang pera.  So better to audition, see, hear and feel the difference then buy the best from the rest. 
Title: Re: newbe question (AV RECEIVER)
Post by: Signal2Noise on May 26, 2006 at 05:15 PM
Listen to it....Try to audition some receivers from well respected manufacturers and let your senses be the final verdict.

For Receivers:

Marantz, Denon, Pioneer Elite, Rotel, Arcam, Yamaha

For Amplifiers:

NAD, Marantz, Rotel, Denon, Exposure, Roksan, Cambridge, Musical Fidelity
Title: Re: newbe question (AV RECEIVER)
Post by: joey on May 27, 2006 at 12:00 AM
also try to match the reciever with your prefer speaker, cdp or dvdp, and play your favorite song.
Title: Re: newbe question (AV RECEIVER)
Post by: Signal2Noise on May 27, 2006 at 05:57 AM
also try to match the reciever with your prefer speaker, cdp or dvdp, and play your favorite song.

Correct....This is the most important thing.  Kahit gaano kaganda ng receiver, loudspeakers, player & program materials mo kung hindi match sa isa't-isa, useless and waste of time and money.
Title: whats the best receiver for beginners
Post by: coolestboy on Jun 02, 2006 at 05:18 PM
a lot of posters here say that beginners like me should invest in a good receiver.

lemme ask the experts and long time HT enthusiasts....whats a good receiver brand for us beginners?
Title: Re: whats the best receiver for beginners
Post by: ndy on Jun 06, 2006 at 11:52 AM
beginner din lang po.

yamaha
harman kardon

imho :)

happy hunting ;)


ps parang dapat amp section tung post mo ;D
Title: Re: whats the best receiver for beginners
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Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: sanction214 on Jun 07, 2006 at 09:20 AM
i'm planning on a Denon 1906 for my JBL SCS 200.6 any comment on this would ne appreciated...i've auditiones HK's for this and they were all great sounding...would a separate equalizer be needed in a good HT set-up?... ;D
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: av_phile1 on Jun 07, 2006 at 04:20 PM
i'm planning on a Denon 1906 for my JBL SCS 200.6 any comment on this would ne appreciated...i've auditiones HK's for this and they were all great sounding...would a separate equalizer be needed in a good HT set-up?... ;D

Nope.  Not necessary, unless you have room accoustic problems you want corrected that room treatments can't do.  Even then, only a Parametric equalizer will do,  not a graphic equalizer.   Your HT receiver has DSP settings that have been equalized already. 
Title: Re: whats the best receiver for beginners
Post by: MAtZTER on Jun 07, 2006 at 04:52 PM
a lot of posters here say that beginners like me should invest in a good receiver.

lemme ask the experts and long time HT enthusiasts....whats a good receiver brand for us beginners?

I would also like to mention that for those wanting to get floorstanders, it would also be best if you go for higher powered receivers. Specially if you are into music.

When I was new to this hobby, I thought that floorstander = bookshelf speaker plus stand. What I learned after several upgrades was that I forgot the receiver in the equation, which makes the floorstander setup more expensive. Floorstanders usually need more power than bookshelves to sound their best. Yes, they can be driven by lower powered receivers, but not to their best, usually manipis yung tunog.

Your salesman who is after the sale (usually) wont really tell you that , cuz it might not fit your budget and you might end up walking out of the sale. This also applies to hard to drive speakers like Dynaudio and B&W (fr what store owners say).

Also, a receiver with pre outs is very much recommended, since you can add amplifiers to enhance your fronts. A good option would be to get the lowest model with pre outs and buy a very good power amplifier (kahit mahal, one time lang naman eh) to power your fronts, and let the receiver handle the surrounds. This way, you can upgrade your AVR when the tech is obsolete and still retain your power amp.

Just my 2 cents and some stuff I learned here in pdvd and my personal experiences.

Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: 24bit on Jun 09, 2006 at 04:44 PM
Matzter,

I'm also planning to upgrade my AVR, may pre-out na do you think it is much better to just buy a power amp for Fronts? Di ba maiiwan yung Center and surround? or magiging unbalance since the front will be enhanced but the rest will stay the same?

Thanks.
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: audibleillusions on Jun 10, 2006 at 05:21 PM
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Choosing a Receiver
Receivers
Think of the receiver as the heart of a home theater system. It is actually several components in one chassis. Receivers are the best choice for most home theater systems as they are easy to buy and represent very high value. The functions of a receiver are:
Tuner - Receives AM and FM radio stations.
Preamp/Switching Center - The preamp section of the receiver controls volume, bass, treble and other basic control functions. It also serves as a switching station for you whole home theater system, allowing you to switch audio and video sources. Make sure the receiver you are considering has enough audio and video inputs and outputs to handle all your current and future sources. Be especially aware of the number and type of digital inputs it provides. Are there enough for all your present and future digital sources such as DVD, DSS, Digital Cable. If you have a Laser Disc player, make sure the receiver has a digital RF input. If your TV has an S Video input, make sure the receiver has S Video inputs and outputs (S Video cables provide better picture quality). If you want the option of adding an outboard surround decoder in the future (such as DTS or some as yet-to-be-invented processing), get a receiver with 6 pre-amp level inputs.
Surround Processor - This part of the receiver "decodes" the surround sound information from the source and directs the 5 (or 6) channels of information to the proper speakers. The major types of surround processors are discussed above. All receivers sold today have Dolby Pro Logic built-in so that you can get surround effects from broadcast and cable TV and videotape. Many receivers also feature built-in Dolby Digital processing in addition to Pro Logic. Some receivers are "Dolby Digital Ready" which means that an outboard Digital decoder can be added at a later date (but you will spend more money in the long run). Even if you are not getting a digital source (like a DVD player) right now, it still makes sense to get a receiver with Dolby Digital built-in as it is the de facto surround standard of today and is likely to be with us for a long time.
Power amplifiers - The power amplifiers are the part of the receiver that drive the speakers. The higher the power (watts) of the amplifier section, the louder and cleaner the speakers will play. Don't worry about small differences in power, in order to get an audible volume difference (a 3dB increase) you need to have double the power. So if you are considering a 50 watt per channel receiver, the next significant step-up power wise is 100 watts per channel.
But beware, not all watts are created equal. It is not uncommon to have two receivers or amps of equal rated power where one plays louder and sounds better than the other. Why? Some manufacturers measure only one channel operating at a time, rather than all channels driven simultaneously (as you would use it). Also standard amplifier tests cannot mimic the same electrical conditions, or load, of an actual loudspeaker. But most of all, specifications cannot measure the quality of sound.
So how do you tell which receiver has the better amplifier section?

Here are a few clues to look for:


Look carefully at the power specifications. A thorough and meaningful power specs would look something like this: "100W/ch @ 8 ohms, with no more than 0.1% THD, from 20-20,000 Hz, all channels driven." In this spec you can tell that the power was measured in the way you will use it: at low Total Harmonic Distortion (anything under .5% is low enough), through the whole audible frequency range (20Hz - 20kHz) and with all the speakers playing. A lessor quality receiver might quote power like this: "100W/ch @8 ohms, at 1 kHz, one channel driven." That's a lot like quoting a car's acceleration as "0 - 60 MPH, downhill with a stiff breeze."
Look for power ratings at lower than 8 ohm loads (Ohms are a measure of the electrical resistance of the speaker). Ideally the amp should be able to put out at least 50% more power into a 4 ohm load as an 8 ohm load. If there is no 4 ohm power rating quoted, chances are that the amp will not drive a 4 ohm speaker. Almost all speakers are less than 8 ohms for some part of the frequency range (impedance varies with frequency) and many fine speakers are 4 ohm speakers. Get a receiver that can safely drive a 4 ohm speaker.
Beware of the super bargain. If you see a receiver that seems to offer a lot of power for a ridiculously low price it is probably too good to be true - literally. Separate Components
If you are a real audiophile and want the absolute best performance, you will be better off getting all of the above components as separate pieces. This approach will give you the greatest amount of flexibility and audibly better performance than can be had from a receiver, but at greater cost and complexity.
 



 
 





 

 
 
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: synchro_01 on Jun 11, 2006 at 08:43 AM
an entry level receiver receiver mated to a good amp isnt necessarily an upgrade over just a plain jane receiver with internal amps.   The quality of the processors and the d/a converters play a major role in the transparency and realism of the sound...not just the amp (internal or outboard). 
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: ricky on Jun 11, 2006 at 01:49 PM
i'm planning on a Denon 1906 for my JBL SCS 200.6 any comment on this would ne appreciated...i've auditiones HK's for this and they were all great sounding...would a separate equalizer be needed in a good HT set-up?... ;D

bro if you're considering getting the denon maybe you can check out the denon 3803 BOTE is selling at the buy and sell section. Konti lang diff sa price but well worth sa performance ;D
Title: Re: whats the best receiver for beginners
Post by: av_phile1 on Jun 13, 2006 at 11:46 AM
I would also like to mention that for those wanting to get floorstanders, it would also be best if you go for higher powered receivers. Specially if you are into music.

When I was new to this hobby, I thought that floorstander = bookshelf speaker plus stand. What I learned after several upgrades was that I forgot the receiver in the equation, which makes the floorstander setup more expensive. Floorstanders usually need more power than bookshelves to sound their best. Yes, they can be driven by lower powered receivers, but not to their best, usually manipis yung tunog.

Your salesman who is after the sale (usually) wont really tell you that , cuz it might not fit your budget and you might end up walking out of the sale. This also applies to hard to drive speakers like Dynaudio and B&W (fr what store owners say).

Also, a receiver with pre outs is very much recommended, since you can add amplifiers to enhance your fronts. A good option would be to get the lowest model with pre outs and buy a very good power amplifier (kahit mahal, one time lang naman eh) to power your fronts, and let the receiver handle the surrounds. This way, you can upgrade your AVR when the tech is obsolete and still retain your power amp.

Just my 2 cents and some stuff I learned here in pdvd and my personal experiences.



I find it odd that most entry level HT receivers don't have 5.1 preouts.  These are are the receivers that would most likely benefit from better or more powerful outboard amps either to start with or as an upgrade path.  It's often the mid-levels and flagships that do have pre-outs when their amps are often powerful enough.   Just an observation.
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: av_phile1 on Jun 13, 2006 at 11:48 AM
an entry level receiver receiver mated to a good amp isnt necessarily an upgrade over just a plain jane receiver with internal amps.   The quality of the processors and the d/a converters play a major role in the transparency and realism of the sound...not just the amp (internal or outboard). 

Every component part is important.  I say the chain is only as good as its weakest link.   ;D
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: lakambini on Jun 14, 2006 at 11:20 AM
av_phile1

I am keen on setting-up a home theater.  However, I am confuse whether to get a marantz sr5600 ( because of its pre-outs, hdcd and csii) or a denon 2106 (because of its auto-setup and room-eq).  I am more into stereo music listening.  What receiver produces the best sound in both movies especially in 2-channel music listening?
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: Signal2Noise on Jun 15, 2006 at 07:05 PM
av_phile1

I am keen on setting-up a home theater.  However, I am confuse whether to get a marantz sr5600 ( because of its pre-outs, hdcd and csii) or a denon 2106 (because of its auto-setup and room-eq).  I am more into stereo music listening.  What receiver produces the best sound in both movies especially in 2-channel music listening?

It's very hard to tell which is best.  Because as you know, receivers were designed in home cinema applications with high dynamic drive.  Meaning those sudden burst of sounds coming from the movie.  On the other hand, stereo/integrated amp has a different dynamics.  In terms of music, int. amp has more power drive than receivers.  Even if you compared a thousand dollar mark receiver against a $400 int amp (say: NAD, Rotel, Marantz..etc) .  the int. amp will surely dominate the receiver in terms of sonic performance in music.  A 50W int amp is distinctively powerful than 80-90W receiver.

Here's a suggestion and better to audition these brands:  Denon AVR, Marantz Range, Pioneer VSX, Yamaha RX & Sony STR series.  8)
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: aHobbit on Jun 16, 2006 at 10:34 AM
It's very hard to tell which is best.  Because as you know, receivers were designed in home cinema applications with high dynamic drive.  Meaning those sudden burst of sounds coming from the movie. 

What's the difference between receivers' amp design and integrated amps' design?  ??? Did they use different measurement parameters or standards?  :(

What's the difference in the dynamics of receivers' amp and integrated amps? Can you tell what measurement of the amps made you conclude this?


On the other hand, stereo/integrated amp has a different dynamics.  In terms of music, int. amp has more power drive than receivers.  Even if you compared a thousand dollar mark receiver against a $400 int amp (say: NAD, Rotel, Marantz..etc) .  the int. amp will surely dominate the receiver in terms of sonic performance in music.  A 50W int amp is distinctively powerful than 80-90W receiver.

Here's a suggestion and better to audition these brands:  Denon AVR, Marantz Range, Pioneer VSX, Yamaha RX & Sony STR series.  8)


What power drive are you refering to? which among the specs tells you that integrated amp has more power drive?  ???  ???


... Even if you compared a thousand dollar mark receiver against a $400 int amp (say: NAD, Rotel, Marantz..etc) .  the int. amp will surely dominate the receiver in terms of sonic performance in music. 

which part of the integrated amp specs dominate the receiver in terms of sonic performance in music?  ???  ???  ???


... A 50W int amp is distinctively powerful than 80-90W receiver.

Here's a suggestion and better to audition these brands:  Denon AVR, Marantz Range, Pioneer VSX, Yamaha RX & Sony STR series.  8)


and when does a 50W became more powerful than 80-90W? and distinctly at that? ???  ???  ???  ???


The way I look at it, the difference of sound lies not on the amp itself but on the varying DSP and equalization which equipped receivers, for it to perform as HT, and bypassing it, to perform like a JBOA (just a bunch of amp) like the integrateds. The old-style integrateds does have no vanilla DSP/equalizations to speak of, so nothing to tweak really, the pre-amp does have (depending on what you've got!

Given the typical mass market specs publication - an 80-90W is an 80-90watt (at least in stereo mode) just like any integrateds.

If you are a follower of branded integrateds, they are typically adjusted (equalized) to maintain their sound signature - this is not the amp section - this is the built-in equalizer of the the pre-amp section. Further, your speaker will also determine up to what extent this equalization will affect the final sonic output.

The mass market receivers enjoys lower prices than integrated simply because there is a lot of demand for it - economies of scale - not necessarily because it was made with cut corners (which integrated also do, depending on the price you are willing to pay, given a smaller demand for it, thus higher price as a model for its economies of scale). The amps are basically the same (sans whatever design there could be) for all of them - unless somebody is telling us they have a new amp design methodologies different from the 60's - the only one I can think of change is the digital amp.

and there are HT-designed receiver that can topple integrateds if sonic performance is the issue, not the specs - but again take the right speakers.

We have the internet now, and information are not difficult anymore. There is no black magic in amps and makers of high end are finding it more difficult to sell, unless they can sell the hype the people wanted to buy - and showing the uniqueness of the signal their amps produce vs the mass market receivers.

IMHO, invest more in the right and good speakers' implementation, and there is more reward in it in terms of sonic performance than wasting your money in hyped JBOA (just a bunch of "same-old-designed" amplifiers). A popular 2K amp, reviewed heavily, praised, manipulated for more business  ;D, can easily dwarf the prerformance of high ends - of course, get the right speakers.

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Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: av_phile1 on Jun 16, 2006 at 11:30 AM
av_phile1

I am keen on setting-up a home theater.  However, I am confuse whether to get a marantz sr5600 ( because of its pre-outs, hdcd and csii) or a denon 2106 (because of its auto-setup and room-eq).  I am more into stereo music listening.  What receiver produces the best sound in both movies especially in 2-channel music listening?

Between the two models you mentioned,  assuming they're not that far in terms of price, power handling and digital processing features, i'd get the marantz.  The pre-outs are quite important for me, since I could use the receiver as a preamp mated to more muscled power amps in case I want to upgrade to more powerful sonics sooner or later without throwing the reciever  (though investing in a more sensitive speaker set will also do the job).  A room equalization feature is nice but is said to work well in some rooms and not in others.  But it's not in my "must have" list.  I haven't heard these models myself so I am just going by the specs you mentioned.  I have no doubt both would be quite competent in the HT department.  In stereo, the marantz name seems to enjoy a wide audiophile following, but Denon doesn't lag in that area especially in Japan where it enjoys as much respect and following.  I really suggest you audition and compare the two in the stereo mode. Bring along a familiar CD when auditioning.
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: aHobbit on Jun 16, 2006 at 02:49 PM
Between the two models you mentioned,  assuming they're not that far in terms of price, power handling and digital processing features, i'd get the marantz.  The pre-outs are quite important for me, since I could use the receiver as a preamp mated to more muscled power amps in case I want to upgrade to more powerful sonics sooner or later without throwing the reciever  (though investing in a more sensitive speaker set will also do the job).  A room equalization feature is nice but is said to work well in some rooms and not in others.  But it's not in my "must have" list.  I haven't heard these models myself so I am just going by the specs you mentioned.  I have no doubt both would be quite competent in the HT department.  In stereo, the marantz name seems to enjoy a wide audiophile following, but Denon doesn't lag in that area especially in Japan where it enjoys as much respect and following.  I really suggest you audition and compare the two in the stereo mode. Bring along a familiar CD when auditioning.

Marantz for me too!  ;) that pre-out (which is what makes marantz attractive option - aside from its stereo sonic signature) will give you options to give more oomph to your HT since those mass market will not output you at least 80Wpc simultaneously as they advertised, though in stereo mode, it may exceed even the 100w mark. The denon can only be effective (equalization and auto setup) if it knows your personal taste and preference. Otherwise, it was just added in the receiver for you to pay and not use at all.  ;D
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: Signal2Noise on Jun 16, 2006 at 09:05 PM
What's the difference between receivers' amp design and integrated amps' design?  ??? Did they use different measurement parameters or standards?  :(

What's the difference in the dynamics of receivers' amp and integrated amps? Can you tell what measurement of the amps made you conclude this?


What power drive are you refering to? which among the specs tells you that integrated amp has more power drive?  ???  ???


which part of the integrated amp specs dominate the receiver in terms of sonic performance in music?  ???  ???  ???


and when does a 50W became more powerful than 80-90W? and distinctly at that? ???  ???  ???  ???


The way I look at it, the difference of sound lies not on the amp itself but on the varying DSP and equalization which equipped receivers, for it to perform as HT, and bypassing it, to perform like a JBOA (just a bunch of amp) like the integrateds. The old-style integrateds does have no vanilla DSP/equalizations to speak of, so nothing to tweak really, the pre-amp does have (depending on what you've got!

Given the typical mass market specs publication - an 80-90W is an 80-90watt (at least in stereo mode) just like any integrateds.

If you are a follower of branded integrateds, they are typically adjusted (equalized) to maintain their sound signature - this is not the amp section - this is the built-in equalizer of the the pre-amp section. Further, your speaker will also determine up to what extent this equalization will affect the final sonic output.

The mass market receivers enjoys lower prices than integrated simply because there is a lot of demand for it - economies of scale - not necessarily because it was made with cut corners (which integrated also do, depending on the price you are willing to pay, given a smaller demand for it, thus higher price as a model for its economies of scale). The amps are basically the same (sans whatever design there could be) for all of them - unless somebody is telling us they have a new amp design methodologies different from the 60's - the only one I can think of change is the digital amp.

and there are HT-designed receiver that can topple integrateds if sonic performance is the issue, not the specs - but again take the right speakers.

We have the internet now, and information are not difficult anymore. There is no black magic in amps and makers of high end are finding it more difficult to sell, unless they can sell the hype the people wanted to buy - and showing the uniqueness of the signal their amps produce vs the mass market receivers.

IMHO, invest more in the right and good speakers' implementation, and there is more reward in it in terms of sonic performance than wasting your money in hyped JBOA (just a bunch of "same-old-designed" amplifiers). A popular 2K amp, reviewed heavily, praised, manipulated for more business  ;D, can easily dwarf the prerformance of high ends - of course, get the right speakers.

Notions Notions Notions

With regards to your questions?  When I said a 50W integrated amp is distinctively powerful than 80 or 90W receiver is because, an integrated amp is only driving 2 channel output  compared to an 80-90W receiver which is driving a 5 or 7.1 load.  The more speakers being connected, the higher the capacitance. We're talking about here MUSIC/Audio only, not home cinema application in my post.  In most 5 or 7.1 receivers, the output power were being desipitated into several channels.  No way on earth you can find an honest receiver driving 5 or 7.1 load  (all channels simultaneously driven) @ full declared power output in real-world condition.  Normally happens, it goes down to 70% of the declared output power.  Do you think the surround channel of your receiver for instance still producing an 80-90W output drive....No way man!  In most surround channels, it only has around 12-20W maximum output power, again in real-world condition / full frequency range.  Unlike in 2ch int. amp, it can drive both channels simultaneously...Kase nga Stereo di ba?

About the dynamic drive, in receiver configuration.  It actually designate those sudden burst of sounds to its surround, center & sub channels and some to the fronts.  While in stereo amp dynamic range, it has a higher dynamic output  because it caters music not home cinema straight directly to the front speakers.  Your asking about measurement?  Parehong measurement in W, nagkaiba lang sa application.

Power Drive....?  In comparison between AV receivers versus int. amps I said power drive because try to notice the volume (dB) indicator of your receiver.  Before you playloud nasaan iyong dial?  -20 or -10dB? (max. +18), while in stereo amp, from 8 o'clock as point of origin....@ 10-11 o'clock lang ay malakas na, but you can still go way up 'till 4 o'clock, basta capable iyong speakers na gamit mo and Party Time na 'yon.

You mentioned about the built-in pre-amp....Again Bro, we're talking here about integrated amp as a whole kaya nga integrated di ba?  If you give emphasis only on the pre-amp section, then you're talking here pre-amp....Right?   I mentioned in my post the comparison of AV receiver versus Integrated Amp (2ch) not the AV receiver versus pre-amp.

"HT-designed receiver that can topple integrateds if sonic performance is the issue"   YES correct ka doon kung ang pag-uusapan natin ay HT application but not pure stereo music?  Dahil lalamunin ng 2ch amp iyong HT receiver mo kapag music alone lang ang pinag-usapan....Maniwala ka sa akin, kahit i-audition mo pa sa mga audio showrooms.  Have you ever heard of Roksan Kandy MK-III/L.III or Jolida (EL34 50W) integrated tube amp? (Attn: Volt & Krug...what's the model of that mini-Jolida)?

To make it short, try to compare say any thousand dollar mark AV receiver (ex. Denon AVR-3805) versus Marantz PM7200, NAD C352 or Rotel RA-03 without mentioning tube integrateds baka mas lalong ma-outperform ng 30-50W EL-34 iyong 100W AVR in terms of music.  Again its  up to you to determine kung totoo ang sinasabi ko.  Good Luck 8)
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: hattori_hanzo on Jun 16, 2006 at 09:18 PM
With regards to your questions?  When I said a 50W integrated amp is distinctively powerful than 80 or 90W receiver is because, an integrated amp is only driving 2 channel output  compared to an 80-90W receiver which is driving a 5 or 7.1 load.  The more speakers being connected, the higher the capacitance. We're talking about here MUSIC/Audio only, not home cinema application in my post.  In most 5 or 7.1 receivers, the output power were being desipitated into several channels.  No way on earth you can find an honest receiver driving 5 or 7.1 load  (all channels simultaneously driven) @ full declared power output in real-world condition.  Normally happens, it goes down to 70% of the declared output power.  Do you think the surround channel of your receiver for instance still producing an 80-90W output drive....No way man!  In most surround channels, it only has around 12-20W maximum output power, again in real-world condition / full frequency range.  Unlike in 2ch int. amp, it can drive both channels simultaneously...Kase nga Stereo di ba?

About the dynamic drive, in receiver configuration.  It actually designate those sudden burst of sounds to its surround, center & sub channels and some to the fronts.  While in stereo amp dynamic range, it has a higher dynamic output  because it caters music not home cinema straight directly to the front speakers.  Your asking about measurement?  Parehong measurement in W, nagkaiba lang sa application.

Power Drive....?  In comparison between AV receivers versus int. amps I said power drive because try to notice the volume (dB) indicator of your receiver.  Before you playloud nasaan iyong dial?  -20 or -10dB? (max. +18), while in stereo amp, from 8 o'clock as point of origin....@ 10-11 o'clock lang ay malakas na, but you can still go way up 'till 4 o'clock, basta capable iyong speakers na gamit mo and Party Time na 'yon.

You mentioned about the built-in pre-amp....Again Bro, we're talking here about integrated amp as a whole kaya nga integrated di ba?  If you give emphasis only on the pre-amp section, then you're talking here pre-amp....Right?   I mentioned in my post the comparison of AV receiver versus Integrated Amp (2ch) not the AV receiver versus pre-amp.

"HT-designed receiver that can topple integrateds if sonic performance is the issue"   YES correct ka doon kung ang pag-uusapan natin ay HT application but not pure stereo music?  Dahil lalamunin ng 2ch amp iyong HT receiver mo kapag music alone lang ang pinag-usapan....Maniwala ka sa akin, kahit i-audition mo pa sa mga audio showrooms.  Have you ever heard of Roksan Kandy MK-III/L.III or Jolida (EL34 50W) integrated tube amp? (Attn: Volt & Krug...what's the model of that mini-Jolida)?

To make it short, try to compare say any thousand dollar mark AV receiver (ex. Denon AVR-3805) versus Marantz PM7200, NAD C352 or Rotel RA-03 without mentioning tube integrateds baka mas lalong ma-outperform ng 30-50W EL-34 iyong 100W AVR in terms of music.  Again its  up to you to determine kung totoo ang sinasabi ko.  Good Luck 8)

bro signal2noise,

not to offend you, but kung totoo yung sinabi mo, about dun sa comparison mo about int amp vs. any thousand dollar mark AV receivers. how about Yamaha DSP-Z9 or HK 745 vs. 30-50W EL-34 tube amp what would be more powerful?
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: Signal2Noise on Jun 17, 2006 at 08:17 AM
bro signal2noise,

not to offend you, but kung totoo yung sinabi mo, about dun sa comparison mo about int amp vs. any thousand dollar mark AV receivers. how about Yamaha DSP-Z9 or HK 745 vs. 30-50W EL-34 tube amp what would be more powerful?

I am not familiar with the Yammy or HK AVR that you mentioned.  Pero sonic performance hindi ka naging specific doon sa anong klaseng EL34 ba ang iko-compare mo doon sa 2. Meron mga El-34 tube amps na below $K mark na kayang i-out perform iyong mga sinasabi mong receivers.  Like those entry-level from Sophia Electric, Cary Audio & Jolida.  Actually itong Sophia & Cary nasa $1.5K MSRP pero pagdating na sa market medyo magiging less pa.    Meron din iyong mga gawang China at iyong mga locally manufactured dito sa atin worth Php25-45K per unit. 

A tube amplification is far more sonic and powerful (iyong mga detalye na hindi mo marinig sa AVR mo, ay maririnig mo using tube or hybrid SS int.).  Bakit kamo, sa receiver iisa lang ang transformer tapos may distribution ng power nito sa mga output channels.  Whereas in int. tube amps, always 2 ang output transformers dedicated for each channel nito (bukod pa doon sa power transformer nito), lalo na kung ang ginamit ay iyong the same standards as TO300 transformers.  Sa AVR 12Vdc lang ang dumadaloy na kuryente whereas sa tube I think 450-550Vdc.  Actually old technology na itong TO300, may mga later produced pa like TO350 and others from different models & brands.  Lalo pa siguro kung iyong mga KT-88/90 tubes (from brands like Pathos Logos & Audio Research-I've heard of these tandemed with Sonus Faber "Concerto" nung nasa Mid-East pa ako, near actual live performance na, parang kaharap mo lang si Dave Gruisin & Lee Ritenour habang nagja-jamming sa piano & guitar), kaya lang ang pinag-uusapan natin dito ay below $K mark amp kaya balik tayo sa El-34s.

But then again, saan mo ba iko-compare iyong Yammy & HK against the EL-34 configuration tube amp?  Pure audio lang ba or multi-channel home cinema application?  Kapag sinabi mong HT application, very obvious na Yams or HK pero uulitin ko, PURE AUDIO lang ba?  Baka magulat ka kung maging day & night ang difference nila.  Actually kung brand lang ang pag-uusapan, hindi Yams or HK ang prestigious name pagdating sa AVRs, kundi DENON.  Check mo sa mga different audio mags & reviews like What HiFi UK, Home Theater Mag, Stereophile, Audioholics.Com, HiFi Choice...Denon is the name.   Try to audition and ikaw na rin ang makakasagot sa tanong mo.... 8)  (Binebenta ko iyong Marantz AVR ko para pandagdag sa pambili ko nang Jolida, baka may alam ka na gustong bumili) Thanks..... :D
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: hattori_hanzo on Jun 17, 2006 at 09:57 AM
yup sir in terms of stereo mode lang, a thousand dollar mark AVR vs. integrated amps (models youve mentioned below) and 30-50W EL-34:

"To make it short, try to compare say any thousand dollar mark AV receiver (ex. Denon AVR-3805) versus Marantz PM7200, NAD C352 or Rotel RA-03 without mentioning tube integrateds baka mas lalong ma-outperform ng 30-50W EL-34 iyong 100W AVR in terms of music.  Again its  up to you to determine kung totoo ang sinasabi ko.  Good Luck"

sir were not just talking about audio refinements but also power, youve said:

"A 50W int amp is distinctively powerful than 80-90W receiver."

sir heres the specs of the yamaha Z9:
(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d16/hanns76/Interior.jpg)

DSP-Z9 Main Specifications
AUDIO SECTION
Maximum Power
Front Channels 250 W + 250 W
Center Channel 250 W
Surround Channels 250 W + 250 W
Surround Back Channel 250 W + 250 W
Presence Channel 70 W + 70 W
Minimum RMS Output Power (8 ohms, 20 Hz—20 kHz, 0.015% THD)
Front Channels 170 W + 170 W
Center Channel 170 W
Surround Channels 170 W + 170 W
Surround Back Channel 170 W + 170 W
Presence Channel (1 kHz, 0.5% THD) 50 W + 50 W
High Dynamic Power, Low-Impedance Drive Capability Yes
Dynamic Power/Channel 8 ohms 210 W
6 ohms 260 W
4 ohms 340 W
2 ohms 580 W

and here the HK 745:
(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d16/hanns76/AVR745.jpg)

Stereo Mode:
Continuous Average Power (FTC) per Channel : 100 Watts per channel @ <0.07% THD, 20Hz – 20kHz, both channels driven into 8 ohms.

Seven-Channel Surround Modes, Power per Individual Channel,
All Channels Operating at Full Power :     
Front L & R Channels :  85 Watts per channel @ <0.07% THD, 20Hz – 20kHz into 8 ohms 
Center Channel : 85 Watts @ <0.07% THD, 20Hz – 20kHz into 8 ohms 
Surround Channels (L & R Side, L & R Back) : 85 Watts per channel @ <0.07% THD, 20Hz – 20kHz into 8 ohms 
High Instantaneous Current Capability (HCC) :  ±60 Amps 
Power Consumption : 8.9W Standby, 130W Idle, 1,480W Max.

vs. integrated amps and tubes that youve mentioned above...


Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: Signal2Noise on Jun 17, 2006 at 02:00 PM
yup sir in terms of stereo mode lang, a thousand dollar mark AVR vs. integrated amps (models youve mentioned below) and 30-50W EL-34:

"To make it short, try to compare say any thousand dollar mark AV receiver (ex. Denon AVR-3805) versus Marantz PM7200, NAD C352 or Rotel RA-03 without mentioning tube integrateds baka mas lalong ma-outperform ng 30-50W EL-34 iyong 100W AVR in terms of music.  Again its  up to you to determine kung totoo ang sinasabi ko.  Good Luck"

sir were not just talking about audio refinements but also power, youve said:

"A 50W int amp is distinctively powerful than 80-90W receiver."

sir heres the specs of the yamaha Z9:
(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d16/hanns76/Interior.jpg)

DSP-Z9 Main Specifications
AUDIO SECTION
Maximum Power
Front Channels 250 W + 250 W
Center Channel 250 W
Surround Channels 250 W + 250 W
Surround Back Channel 250 W + 250 W
Presence Channel 70 W + 70 W
Minimum RMS Output Power (8 ohms, 20 Hz—20 kHz, 0.015% THD)
Front Channels 170 W + 170 W
Center Channel 170 W
Surround Channels 170 W + 170 W
Surround Back Channel 170 W + 170 W
Presence Channel (1 kHz, 0.5% THD) 50 W + 50 W
High Dynamic Power, Low-Impedance Drive Capability Yes
Dynamic Power/Channel 8 ohms 210 W
6 ohms 260 W
4 ohms 340 W
2 ohms 580 W

and here the HK 745:
(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d16/hanns76/AVR745.jpg)

Stereo Mode:
Continuous Average Power (FTC) per Channel : 100 Watts per channel @ <0.07% THD, 20Hz – 20kHz, both channels driven into 8 ohms.

Seven-Channel Surround Modes, Power per Individual Channel,
All Channels Operating at Full Power :     
Front L & R Channels :  85 Watts per channel @ <0.07% THD, 20Hz – 20kHz into 8 ohms 
Center Channel : 85 Watts @ <0.07% THD, 20Hz – 20kHz into 8 ohms 
Surround Channels (L & R Side, L & R Back) : 85 Watts per channel @ <0.07% THD, 20Hz – 20kHz into 8 ohms 
High Instantaneous Current Capability (HCC) :  ±60 Amps 
Power Consumption : 8.9W Standby, 130W Idle, 1,480W Max.

vs. integrated amps and tubes that youve mentioned above...




Ito na nga ang sinasabi ko....Sa AVR, sabihin pa natin na 250W/ch x 7.1  pa 'yan.  HINDI mo makukuha iyong full 250W/ch in full frequency-real world condition while driving all 7.1ch.  NO WAY on Earth Man na ma-enjoy mo fullest iyong sinasabi sa specs ng produkto.  Sabi ko nga rin, sa surround channels na lang, even if sabihin pa na 250W pa 'yan, baka 12-20W lang ang makuha mo.  Meron ba na surround channel in home theater application with an output drive of 250W....'dre WALA...Unless may real-size cinema ka sa loob ng bahay mo.  Isa pa, marketing hype iyong 250W surround mode, tingnan nga natin kung maito-todo mo iyong volume nang 250W AVR mo?  Baka hindi ka makatagal sa loob ng listening room mo at hindi na music kundi NOISE na!  Or baka ito iyong power na sinasabi mo sa akin....don't tell me huh, patay tayo dyan, packup na ako pag ganyan.  :D  What I'm saying is Power & Sound, not Power and Noise.

Base doon sa specs na inilagay mo dito sa post, hindi mo ba napansin na puro 250W or 100W per channel?  Pero hindi sinabi na 250W all channels driven?  Bro, magkaiba iyong 250W/ch sa 250Wx7.1 all channels driven simultaneously.   Muli ito iyong sinasabi ko sa iyo na full & honest disclosure ng power output, sa mga manufacturers ng AVR, always play safe sila.  Subukan mong i-drive lahat ng 7.1 channels nito (simultaneously) at i-lab test mo, tingnan natin kung talagang full 250W ang talagang lumalabas each of every channels?  Baka magulat ka kapag nasa +/- 150W ka na lang.  (note: Yamaha iyong 250W/ch, noticed na 170W na lang ito pagdating sa fronts at iyong HK-100W naging 85W/ch na lang pagdating din sa fronts nito.) 

Pag ganito, lalamunin ng 50W tube power iyong 85W HK mo.  Sa Yammy, ang sabi ay 250W Max. Power pero hindi sinabi na continuous. At noticed mo uli sa ibaba, ang nakalagay ay Dynamic range @ 8 ohms ay 210W na lang, kase ibinase ito doon sa fronts @ 8 ohms na 170W.  SO NASAAN IYONG SINASABI MO NA 250W/ch Output?..Sa papel lang 'yon 'dre he-he-he. :D Ikaw ang nagbigay nitong specs ng Yamaha, hindi ako? ;D

Rule of thumb, iba ang tube power sa AVR power.  Sa mga audiophiles and veterans in electronics....X3 ang tube power.  Ang 10-11 o'clock ng tube amp ay hamak na mas malakas sa -30dB ng AVR, itaga mo sa bato at totoo itong sinasabi ko.  Kung gusto mo, subukan mong pumunta sa mga tube dealers diyan sa Makati or Quezon City at i-audition mo iyong mga EL-34s nila tapos i-compare mo sa sinasabi mong 250W AVR.  Sound quality, sound definition, warmth and sonic impact makikita mo iyong tube amp ay way ahead sa AVR na sinasabi mo.  I will not further explain pa, better to audition head-to-head, and let your ears be the final verdict. (bilihin mo na lang iyong Marantz ko)  8)
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: hattori_hanzo on Jun 17, 2006 at 05:28 PM
Ito na nga ang sinasabi ko....Sa AVR, sabihin pa natin na 250W/ch x 7.1  pa 'yan.  HINDI mo makukuha iyong full 250W/ch in full frequency-real world condition while driving all 7.1ch.  NO WAY on Earth Man na ma-enjoy mo fullest iyong sinasabi sa specs ng produkto.  Sabi ko nga rin, sa surround channels na lang, even if sabihin pa na 250W pa 'yan, baka 12-20W lang ang makuha mo.  Meron ba na surround channel in home theater application with an output drive of 250W....'dre WALA...Unless may real-size cinema ka sa loob ng bahay mo.  Isa pa, marketing hype iyong 250W surround mode, tingnan nga natin kung maito-todo mo iyong volume nang 250W AVR mo?  Baka hindi ka makatagal sa loob ng listening room mo at hindi na music kundi NOISE na!  Or baka ito iyong power na sinasabi mo sa akin....don't tell me huh, patay tayo dyan, packup na ako pag ganyan.  :D  What I'm saying is Power & Sound, not Power and Noise.

Base doon sa specs na inilagay mo dito sa post, hindi mo ba napansin na puro 250W or 100W per channel?  Pero hindi sinabi na 250W all channels driven?  Bro, magkaiba iyong 250W/ch sa 250Wx7.1 all channels driven simultaneously.   Muli ito iyong sinasabi ko sa iyo na full & honest disclosure ng power output, sa mga manufacturers ng AVR, always play safe sila.  Subukan mong i-drive lahat ng 7.1 channels nito (simultaneously) at i-lab test mo, tingnan natin kung talagang full 250W ang talagang lumalabas each of every channels?  Baka magulat ka kapag nasa +/- 150W ka na lang.  (note: Yamaha iyong 250W/ch, noticed na 170W na lang ito pagdating sa fronts at iyong HK-100W naging 85W/ch na lang pagdating din sa fronts nito.) 

Pag ganito, lalamunin ng 50W tube power iyong 85W HK mo.  Sa Yammy, ang sabi ay 250W Max. Power pero hindi sinabi na continuous. At noticed mo uli sa ibaba, ang nakalagay ay Dynamic range @ 8 ohms ay 210W na lang, kase ibinase ito doon sa fronts @ 8 ohms na 170W.  SO NASAAN IYONG SINASABI MO NA 250W/ch Output?..Sa papel lang 'yon 'dre he-he-he. :D Ikaw ang nagbigay nitong specs ng Yamaha, hindi ako? ;D

Rule of thumb, iba ang tube power sa AVR power.  Sa mga audiophiles and veterans in electronics....X3 ang tube power.  Ang 10-11 o'clock ng tube amp ay hamak na mas malakas sa -30dB ng AVR, itaga mo sa bato at totoo itong sinasabi ko.  Kung gusto mo, subukan mong pumunta sa mga tube dealers diyan sa Makati or Quezon City at i-audition mo iyong mga EL-34s nila tapos i-compare mo sa sinasabi mong 250W AVR.  Sound quality, sound definition, warmth and sonic impact makikita mo iyong tube amp ay way ahead sa AVR na sinasabi mo.  I will not further explain pa, better to audition head-to-head, and let your ears be the final verdict. (bilihin mo na lang iyong Marantz ko)  8)

thanks for the info bro. may point ka at meron din naman sila sir aHobbit and sir avphile. meron kayong kanyang kanya opinion regarding this and all of it are good points pero syempre hindi naman lahat tama diba some how meron din discrepancies. meron lang ciguro tayong kanya kanya way on how to determine each and own distinctive audio gears.

bro I heard both of this AVR's specially the Z9 and all I can say is can rival most of the tubes ive heard at AMX. and about power handling, lets say its over marketed and hypes et al, but is there some firm that really measure's this rating? hindi naman ciguro ipupublish ng manufacturer ang given specs kung hindi totoo diba? rated in someway ciguro like rated one freq at 1w/1m that yamaha can achieve that 250w mark somehow. pero I do believe what youve said that 250w/ch is indeed impossible lalo na 7ch pa yun. coz galing din naman ako sa pro audio and I know a real 100w/ch amp. performs. pero still most thousand mark AVR can rival most tubes and integrated amp in terms of power. just me though...

pero iba pa rin ang tubes pure amplification kasi dyan agree tayong dalwa...       
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: Voltraizer on Jun 17, 2006 at 07:00 PM
Have you ever thought of simplfying your home theater set-up using two-channel system both for video and audio?  An alternative was suggested by Mike Allen ( also of vacuum tube valley) in his website.
You might find the letter also interesting: 8)
A Letter Regarding Home Theater:
Whether one should go for surround sound or a two channel system for their audio/video
1. Why should someone contemplate the purchase of a "high quality" two channel system for $1000, $2000, or $3000 dollars etc. when they can purchase a complete home theater system for the same price?
Assume for a moment the complexity of reproducing a movie. The sound must integrate with the video on an emotional level and the sound itself is a wide range of material from music, to dialogue and ultimately car bombs. To choose a system fully capable of producing the dynamics of planes crashing into the side of mountains as well as the subtle nuances of a woman whispering the language of love into a child’s ear requires a quality system. Given this task, we believe a system needs to play music very well or as someone said, “If the system plays music right, it will play noise”.
In relating this concept of a high performance system to your question, we believe the goal of a “home theater audio system” is not the issue of whether it is two channel or 5.1, the issue is quality sound reproduction. The 5.1, or 7.1 system is more complex than a 2 channel system. A home theater system is made up of 14 discrete operating units (5 preamplifier/amplifier units, 6 speaker/ subwoofer units and 3 cable units) while a two channel system has 5 discrete operating units (2 preamplifier/amplifier units, 2 speaker units and 1 cable unit). At $1,000, the price invested per unit in a home theater system is $71 per unit while in a stereo system it is $200 per unit. At $3,000, it is $214 versus $600. We are not saying that a two channel is 3 times better than a comparably priced Home Theater System. We are suggesting that the higher investment per unit may yield a better sound. To be sure, the further up the comparable price scale you go, the quality issue between the two different systems diminishes.
In practice, the cheaper a unit, the lower the real wattage and the ability to handle a wide frequency range. I think most people would believe that you can get more speaker quality for $1200 a pair than $418 a pair in today’s market. One point most home theater people would make is the lack of a center channel and a subwoofer in a two channel system. A center channel is not necessarily required in a system that has a strong soundstage. One system that we use in house is a $580 JD 102A with a pair of $560 Mirage 590i’s and some cheap cable. With the speaker face positioned two inches beyond the TV front, many people believe there is a center channel operating. As for the subwoofer, a $200 subwoofer has its drawbacks. Given the drawbacks, are you enhancing sound or just giving the system a series of indiscriminate thumps and bumps? In the long run, are you better off with two speakers that provide a clear and fast but lighter bottom end? If the low extension is wanted, hook up a subwoofer to the two channel system. In the end, it is a matter of choices. There are people who find the $1,000 surround system acceptable where others want a sound alternative.
2. Why do you think so few people watch movies on two channel systems like you suggest? It seems to me it is like a lot of people feel that you have to either watch a video on a surround system or nothing at all.
I tend to think there are many people who have hooked up their video units to their existing stereo. Of course, I have no clear cut statistical information. In terms of antidotal information, we have customers who have hooked their stereos up to video units with good results. I am certain there are people who assume home theater requires a surround system. I am absolutely certain that people who are building a multi media room, 99.99999% require a surround system.
However, I believe that there is another reality which may be prevalent out on the market, people are confused. Given the different formats from CD players to Dolby (5.1, 6.1, 7.1, 9.1,10.2), equipment selection by the mass market customer is an exercise in bailing water out of a boat with a fork. There are people who do not even consider a two channel system when on the quest of the surround holy grail. There are other people who don’t want to be bothered with the complexities of a 5.1 and stick to the stereo format. Another group of people are waiting until the formats become clear, before they will enter the purchasing arena.
For us the issue is quite clear, try both a stereo and a surround sound in the retailers showroom, the individual can determine the right sound for them.
3. Perhaps you could expand briefly on your recommendation of two channel systems "based on context" and also your company's general philosophy.
Hard question to answer briefly. Let me give a little bit of background in terms of philosophy. We think the average individual is not just looking for home theater whose sole purpose is volumes of 85 dB and up with an agitated subwoofer caving in your chest. We believe that most people are looking for home entertainment systems that will be used for music and movies. Starting from this point, the context becomes:
Price: We do believe that at lower prices you can get a better buck bang for the sound in a two channel system. This is just a matter of economic physics where the question is “do a few higher grade components outperform a larger number of cheaper components?” I think that our defense department subscribes to the quality over quantity approach although I have never heard a $26 million sound system.
Physical constraints: Not all of us are fortunate to have multi media rooms to which we can retire to with cigars and brandy.  Many audio video systems are placed in bedrooms or family rooms that are not conducive to the physical requirements of a surround sound system. For example, the typical family room in the middle atlantic states is attached to the kitchen and has three walls taken up by the fireplace, exit to the outdoors and exit to the kitchen. The usual course of events is to position furniture to the fireplace as opposed to the solid wall. So the audio/video ends up in the corner. It is difficult to put a 5.1 system starting from a corner. In addition, for condo or apartment dwellers with limited space, a 5.1 system may not fit and the thumping subwoofer may not be a popular aspect with the neighbors. In essence the physical attributes of the dwelling may be conducive to a two channel system.
Utility: As mentioned earlier, many people want a home entertainment system. Put in that light, two channel can do well in the matter of utility when there is a limited budget. A few higher grade components can give you linearity in the system. Simply put, you can play soft, you can play medium or you can play loud. With the differential in sound volume of 15dB to 30dB between the car bombs and dialogue, this can pose a practical problem. It is 11 p.m. and people are sleeping in the house. One gentleman told me “thank God for the remote, at least I can tone down the explosions and then turn up for the voices without leaving my chair.” I asked why he did this, his response was, “You haven’t met my wife coming out of the bedroom in the late night.” With linearity found in tube amps (manufacturer’s marketing pitch), you can play at whisper levels and still have proportion and clarity. At mid levels a good system should have air and body. This is where women and children usually like the level. At high volumes, a good system should not punish you with harshness.
Could this be snob appeal? I don’t know if audio video is better on a $20,000 triode stereo system or a surround system. I have heard both, I prefer the triode, it really does sound excellent.
4. Do you think that there is a reluctance in the "high end" community to embrace home theater and why do you think that is?
I would like to say that there are many audiophiles who have and enjoy home theater systems. In terms of economics, I think people with $20,000 of disposable income will be more disposed to purchase a surround system than a stereo system. I think that there is a portion of the high end community that has not fully embraced surround sound for a number of reasons.
Relevance as opposed to reluctance: Many people I know enjoy listening to music as opposed to watching video. It is a matter of media preference as opposed to a rejection of surround sound.
The physical effect: Many audiophiles are not impressed with the physical sound attributes of a surround system. Prior to experiencing my first Home theater, I watched TV for 20 years with built in 3 inch speakers. My introduction to Home theater was a tricked out Meridian system playing some action movie. The only reaction out of my jello reduced body was a squeaky voice saying, “wrap it up, I wanna take this home”. However, audiophiles listening to top flight sound systems are not making the light speed jump from 3 inch speakers to video nirvana. In this respect, their knowledge and experience of sound, even at high volumes do not engender the initial physical impact I had. Thus, they are more critical of the operating characteristics of a surround sound system.
The naturalness of the sound: I think that many audiophiles do not enjoy the presentation of the sound. This becomes more apparent on a music video than a movie. First, there is a low end that is pumping out at a 16dB elevated level, making a kettle drum equivalent to the start signal for Armageddon. Second, the placement of the sound, such that the chorus or the lead guitar are coming out of the back speakers while the musicians are in front of you on the TV screen appears out of place. If the audiophile has been weaned on the natural sound of a triode system, they may not readily embrace surround sound.
The last issue is the format: Many audiophiles believe that surround is in its infancy (many think CDs are just starting to be listenable). They assume that the final formats and their attendant improvements will take years to accomplish. Until that time, they will keep their respective systems.
 
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: bumblebee on Jun 17, 2006 at 07:48 PM
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Rule of thumb, iba ang tube power sa AVR power.  Sa mga audiophiles and veterans in electronics....X3 ang tube power.

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Kung walang clipping at malinis pareho, n ss watts = n tube watts. Watt is watt is watt.
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: Signal2Noise on Jun 17, 2006 at 08:31 PM
Kung walang clipping at malinis pareho, n ss watts = n tube watts. Watt is watt is watt.

Correct ka diyan, Watt is Watt.  But i-compare mo iyong 2ch/stereo amp @ 11 o'clock against sa 5 or 7.1 AVR setup at the same dial (-40 or -30dB)?  Dito ang pinag-uusapan natin ay Stereo/Pure Audio sound.  Unless i-audition mo head-to-head, hindi mo matutukoy itong sinasabi ko kung totoo.  Better to listen.... 8)
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: hattori_hanzo on Jun 17, 2006 at 09:34 PM
Kung walang clipping at malinis pareho, n ss watts = n tube watts. Watt is watt is watt.

Ang ibig sabihin ciguro ni signal2noise is matter of sonic performances hindi lang in terms of power, kasi for him he rely on rated power vs. metered ouput watt per watt, For him a pure amplification such as the tube amp is much powerful than ss amp. As you can see he reads it on volume level in terms of power.

Bro signal, we are not new to this area. so we know the technicalities, we do not say your findings and conclusions are wrong, there’s no argument on that. But the reasoning of different “audiophiles” are definitive. So yung test and information mo is correct based on your interpretations. Pero sa iba meron din silang manner of understanding on how to find the comparison of each audio gears.

Ang nagiging loop holes or argument lang naman dito is yung interpretation mo na a “30-50 watts tube amp is much powerful than a thousand mark 100W AVR” actually kung ianalaze mo maige walang argument dahil on the first place your comparing a multichannel amp on a 2 ch amp only. Pero kung pag babasihan mo ay yung stereo mode lang nung avr vs. dun sa integrated or tube amp mo, well theres a different argument. why? Yung AVR and integrated amp in the first place has coloration and processing na nangyayari before goin sa output stage, unlike sa tube na input amplification then output. Walang coloration so thus what you are hearing is pure signal. And the sonics are much better dahil full signal no coloration. But in terms of power output. It’s a different rating. coz if you based it on power rating "not" the sonic performances. watt is watt is watt.

So you see magkakaiba tayo ng manner of understanding, that makes us definitive. Magkakaiba pag dating sa areas. Hindi ko rin naman sinasabi na 100% tama ako. Pero yun ang understanding ko. So by exchanging information and ideas makes us learn and expand more on this area.                     
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: Signal2Noise on Jun 17, 2006 at 10:17 PM
Ang ibig sabihin ciguro ni signal2noise is matter of sonic performances hindi lang in terms of power, kasi for him he rely on rated power vs. metered ouput watt per watt, For him a pure amplification such as the tube amp is much powerful than ss amp. As you can see he reads it on volume level in terms of power.

Bro signal, we are not new to this area. so we know the technicalities, we do not say your findings and conclusions are wrong, there’s no argument on that. But the reasoning of different “audiophiles” are definitive. So yung test and information mo is correct based on your interpretations. Pero sa iba meron din silang manner of understanding on how to find the comparison of each audio gears.

Ang nagiging loop holes or argument lang naman dito is yung interpretation mo na a “30-50 watts tube amp is much powerful than a thousand mark 100W AVR” actually kung ianalaze mo maige walang argument dahil on the first place your comparing a multichannel amp on a 2 ch amp only. Pero kung pag babasihan mo ay yung stereo mode lang nung avr vs. dun sa integrated or tube amp mo, well theres a different argument. why? Yung AVR and integrated amp in the first place has coloration and processing na nangyayari before goin sa output stage, unlike sa tube na input amplification then output. Walang coloration so thus what you are hearing is pure signal. And the sonics are much better dahil full signal no coloration. But in terms of power output. It’s a different rating. coz if you based it on power rating "not" the sonic performances. watt is watt is watt.

So you see magkakaiba tayo ng manner of understanding, that makes us definitive. Magkakaiba pag dating sa areas. Hindi ko rin naman sinasabi na 100% tama ako. Pero yun ang understanding ko. So by exchanging information and ideas makes us learn and expand more on this area.                     


Correct ka diyan...We all have different understanding & interpretations and thanks for that additional info.  8)
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: av_phile1 on Jun 20, 2006 at 10:39 AM
Ito na nga ang sinasabi ko....Sa AVR, sabihin pa natin na 250W/ch x 7.1  pa 'yan.  HINDI mo makukuha iyong full 250W/ch in full frequency-real world condition while driving all 7.1ch.  NO WAY on Earth Man na ma-enjoy mo fullest iyong sinasabi sa specs ng produkto.  Sabi ko nga rin, sa surround channels na lang, even if sabihin pa na 250W pa 'yan, baka 12-20W lang ang makuha mo.  Meron ba na surround channel in home theater application with an output drive of 250W....'dre WALA...Unless may real-size cinema ka sa loob ng bahay mo.  Isa pa, marketing hype iyong 250W surround mode, tingnan nga natin kung maito-todo mo iyong volume nang 250W AVR mo?  Baka hindi ka makatagal sa loob ng listening room mo at hindi na music kundi NOISE na!  Or baka ito iyong power na sinasabi mo sa akin....don't tell me huh, patay tayo dyan, packup na ako pag ganyan.  :D  What I'm saying is Power & Sound, not Power and Noise.

Base doon sa specs na inilagay mo dito sa post, hindi mo ba napansin na puro 250W or 100W per channel?  Pero hindi sinabi na 250W all channels driven?  Bro, magkaiba iyong 250W/ch sa 250Wx7.1 all channels driven simultaneously.   Muli ito iyong sinasabi ko sa iyo na full & honest disclosure ng power output, sa mga manufacturers ng AVR, always play safe sila.  Subukan mong i-drive lahat ng 7.1 channels nito (simultaneously) at i-lab test mo, tingnan natin kung talagang full 250W ang talagang lumalabas each of every channels?  Baka magulat ka kapag nasa +/- 150W ka na lang.  (note: Yamaha iyong 250W/ch, noticed na 170W na lang ito pagdating sa fronts at iyong HK-100W naging 85W/ch na lang pagdating din sa fronts nito.) 

Pag ganito, lalamunin ng 50W tube power iyong 85W HK mo.  Sa Yammy, ang sabi ay 250W Max. Power pero hindi sinabi na continuous. At noticed mo uli sa ibaba, ang nakalagay ay Dynamic range @ 8 ohms ay 210W na lang, kase ibinase ito doon sa fronts @ 8 ohms na 170W.  SO NASAAN IYONG SINASABI MO NA 250W/ch Output?..Sa papel lang 'yon 'dre he-he-he. :D Ikaw ang nagbigay nitong specs ng Yamaha, hindi ako? ;D

There are no DVD movie materials out there I am aware of that can extract identical current into each of the 5,6 or 7 channels of an AVR.  There's a better chance a multichannel DVD-A or SACD can do that.  If you want to test how well a 5.1 AVR delivers its rated power equally on all channels, I suggest you use a MONO or even stereo CD material played thru the AVR set to 5.1 stereo or multichannel stereo mode.  That way, all the channels would be drawing out the SAME current from its power supply.  And true enough, the Z9 can deliver its equal rating with convincing weight.  It may not necessarily be 250W as claimed by the manufacturer.  In fact, independent lab tests tend to register a mere 160 watts full bandwidth continuous into 8 ohms, all channels driven at the rated THD.  But 160 watts is still 160 watts.  That's a lot more than most push pull tube gears can deliver.  What's the most powerful push pull out there?  70watts rms?

But in a typical listening environ like your home, you really can't listen at 160watts from all channels and expect to remain in the room.   ;D  At loud but comfortable listening levels, using typical 8-ohm speakers with  sensitivities of around 90db, you'd usually measure around 5 watts continuous, peaking at around 10 watts.  (Larger rooms defintely will benefit from the large headroom a Z9 can give.)  That is why many audiophiles are quite content with a 2-watt Single Ended Triode (SET) amp in a typical room.   Valve amplification can give the impression they sound louder for the same wattage rating as an SS amp.  That's mainly because of its higher harmonic distortion content.  Harmonic distortion have a way of bloating the signal waveform by as much as 3db so they output a larger waveform which will sound louder.  And because the distortions are well into the even-ordered harmonics, the output waveform can sound pleasant to the ears.  That's why tubes are EUPHONIC.  In contrast, SS gears distort with odd-ordered harmonics and this can be quite harsh to the ears even at 0.5% THD.  (Good thing SS gears have distortion levels in the 0.03% range and lower at their rated power which guarantees virutally no audible annoying distortion at lower comfortable listening levels.)


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Rule of thumb, iba ang tube power sa AVR power.  Sa mga audiophiles and veterans in electronics....X3 ang tube power.  Ang 10-11 o'clock ng tube amp ay hamak na mas malakas sa -30dB ng AVR, itaga mo sa bato at totoo itong sinasabi ko.  Kung gusto mo, subukan mong pumunta sa mga tube dealers diyan sa Makati or Quezon City at i-audition mo iyong mga EL-34s nila tapos i-compare mo sa sinasabi mong 250W AVR.  Sound quality, sound definition, warmth and sonic impact makikita mo iyong tube amp ay way ahead sa AVR na sinasabi mo.  I will not further explain pa, better to audition head-to-head, and let your ears be the final verdict. (bilihin mo na lang iyong Marantz ko)  8)

SETs have no SS counterpart.  Their simplicity in true Class A design puts them apart, but the most that I've seen is only 15watts RMS per channel.  Push Pull valve is the answer to the miniscule power that SETs deliver.  If more power is needed, SS is the answer for home listening.  Professional session guitarists prefer TUBE sound because the distortion in their flangers, and effects boxes are smoothed out and made more pleasant to hear by the even-ordered harmonic distortion of valve amplification in many guitar tube amps.  And they are are not full bandwidth as these tube amps have only 150 to 8khz frequency bandwidth, which is sufficient for guitars.  The output transformers in their signal path essentially provides a bandpass filterning at the output.  (Ofcourse there are also OTL tube designs.)

And volume knobs are not the best gauge for power.  Bear in mind that most analog potentiometers do not behave linearly.  Depending on the value used and the circuit design, their 11-12 o'clock position may already be in the max.  It has no positional equivalence in the more linear behaviour of digital AVR volume controls which are often continuously rotatable.
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: av_phile1 on Jun 20, 2006 at 11:23 AM
Have you ever thought of simplfying your home theater set-up using two-channel system both for video and audio?  An alternative was suggested by Mike Allen ( also of vacuum tube valley) in his website.
You might find the letter also interesting: 8)

Back in the days of Beta Hi-Fi and then VHS Hi-Fi, I listened to music and watch movies on plain stereo on the same gear.  That was in the mid-eighties and onwards. 

Then dolby prologic became the fashion.  It provided a more explicit center channel for movie dialogue (not just a soundstage illusion from a well-imaged stereo L and R speakers) and an appendage 4th surround channel for low powered, limited bandwidth ambiance (2 channels for flagship models)   The rest is history.

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A Letter Regarding Home Theater:
Whether one should go for surround sound or a two channel system for their audio/video
1. Why should someone contemplate the purchase of a "high quality" two channel system for $1000, $2000, or $3000 dollars etc. when they can purchase a complete home theater system for the same price?
Assume for a moment the complexity of reproducing a movie. The sound must integrate with the video on an emotional level and the sound itself is a wide range of material from music, to dialogue and ultimately car bombs. To choose a system fully capable of producing the dynamics of planes crashing into the side of mountains as well as the subtle nuances of a woman whispering the language of love into a child’s ear requires a quality system. Given this task, we believe a system needs to play music very well or as someone said, “If the system plays music right, it will play noise”.


Seems like a more thorough explanation for my belief:  "If it's good in music, it's gonna be good in HT.  But not the other way around."

You'd often be impressed when you hear a BOSE lifestyle or accoustimass set of sub-sat speakers perform in HT.  But they start to fall apart when listening to music.  But listen to any audiophile-grade speakers that impress so much in music and they never fail when it comes to HT.


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In relating this concept of a high performance system to your question, we believe the goal of a “home theater audio system” is not the issue of whether it is two channel or 5.1, the issue is quality sound reproduction. The 5.1, or 7.1 system is more complex than a 2 channel system. A home theater system is made up of 14 discrete operating units (5 preamplifier/amplifier units, 6 speaker/ subwoofer units and 3 cable units) while a two channel system has 5 discrete operating units (2 preamplifier/amplifier units, 2 speaker units and 1 cable unit). At $1,000, the price invested per unit in a home theater system is $71 per unit while in a stereo system it is $200 per unit. At $3,000, it is $214 versus $600. We are not saying that a two channel is 3 times better than a comparably priced Home Theater System. We are suggesting that the higher investment per unit may yield a better sound. To be sure, the further up the comparable price scale you go, the quality issue between the two different systems diminishes.

Quality cost a lot.  Quality sound and price tags are never commensurate or proportional to each other.  Often, a very subtle improvement in sound can cost 10 times or more.  If stereo addicts can invest the same amount of time and money for their beloved 2-channel systems as they would to a multichannel system, they can reap so much more rewards.  Too bad, many people still consider HT as sub-par with a 2-channel system.  That can be quite understandable.  It's a lot easier to get a 2-channel system set-up correctly than a multichannel system.  So many things can go wrong in a multichannel system - the sonic timbre matching, the crossover points, the individual speaker levels, the individual speaker delays.  None of these are necessary in a 2-channel system. 

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In practice, the cheaper a unit, the lower the real wattage and the ability to handle a wide frequency range. I think most people would believe that you can get more speaker quality for $1200 a pair than $418 a pair in today’s market. One point most home theater people would make is the lack of a center channel and a subwoofer in a two channel system. A center channel is not necessarily required in a system that has a strong soundstage. One system that we use in house is a $580 JD 102A with a pair of $560 Mirage 590i’s and some cheap cable. With the speaker face positioned two inches beyond the TV front, many people believe there is a center channel operating. As for the subwoofer, a $200 subwoofer has its drawbacks. Given the drawbacks, are you enhancing sound or just giving the system a series of indiscriminate thumps and bumps? In the long run, are you better off with two speakers that provide a clear and fast but lighter bottom end? If the low extension is wanted, hook up a subwoofer to the two channel system. In the end, it is a matter of choices. There are people who find the $1,000 surround system acceptable where others want a sound alternative.

These days, modestly powered amplifiers have become a commodity that their design and construction is almost identical and unifromly priced across so many HT receivers and integrated.  There are ubiquitous IC or chip amps that are so easy and cheap to put inside receivers.   HT receivers are essentially preamp/processor/decoders with computer-like behaviour with radio tuners and modest chip-based amplfiers thrown in almost like freebies to make them more acceptable to the mass market segments that put convenience and cost at a premium.   And because many mid-priced HT receivers have such great processor decoder functions, they are often used as preamps mated to more powerful amplifiers with better designs and more robust qualities.

HT systems have center channels that can be phantomed in a 2-channel set-up that can image the center well.  Many set-ups on the net are just 4 speaker systems without the center channel.   Especially in a small room and a well-imaged L and R speakers.

People tend to prefer 5.1 for HT because the commercial world was quite successull in marketing the idea that you need a center and a set of ambiance channels when watching movies.  The DVD software has it encoded, so why not make use of it?
It's perfectly ok to watch a movie in stereo.  For speakers with 10-12inch woofers, a subwoofer may not be necessary.  But I still say a good subwoofer can spell the difference between a convincing HT and one that is so-so.  That makes a 2.1 my minimum for HT.  Subwoofers may not always be needed in music.  In fact, the subwoofer that can make a movie experience at home quite entertaining can be too overwhelming in music.  Gun shots, rockets and exloding bombs require so much more dynamic energy relative to the dialogue levels and background music on an HT material.  No such demands exist in music.  The loudest kick drums and bass guitars in music have lesser dynamics relative to the softest musical note.  So a subwoofer than can reproduce an explosion realistically can be overwhelming when reproducing a musical bass line.  Unless you have 2 settings for your subwoofer - one emphasized for HT and another for music. 
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: Signal2Noise on Jun 20, 2006 at 05:10 PM
There are no DVD movie materials out there I am aware of that can extract identical current into each of the 5,6 or 7 channels of an AVR.  There's a better chance a multichannel DVD-A or SACD can do that.  If you want to test how well a 5.1 AVR delivers its rated power equally on all channels, I suggest you use a MONO or even stereo CD material played thru the AVR set to 5.1 stereo or multichannel stereo mode.  That way, all the channels would be drawing out the SAME current from its power supply.  And true enough, the Z9 can deliver its equal rating with convincing weight.  It may not necessarily be 250W as claimed by the manufacturer.  In fact, independent lab tests tend to register a mere 160 watts full bandwidth continuous into 8 ohms, all channels driven at the rated THD.  But 160 watts is still 160 watts.  That's a lot more than most push pull tube gears can deliver.  What's the most powerful push pull out there?  70watts rms?

But in a typical listening environ like your home, you really can't listen at 160watts from all channels and expect to remain in the room.   ;D  At loud but comfortable listening levels, using typical 8-ohm speakers with  sensitivities of around 90db, you'd usually measure around 5 watts continuous, peaking at around 10 watts.  (Larger rooms defintely will benefit from the large headroom a Z9 can give.)  That is why many audiophiles are quite content with a 2-watt Single Ended Triode (SET) amp in a typical room.   Valve amplification can give the impression they sound louder for the same wattage rating as an SS amp.  That's mainly because of its higher harmonic distortion content.  Harmonic distortion have a way of bloating the signal waveform by as much as 3db so they output a larger waveform which will sound louder.  And because the distortions are well into the even-ordered harmonics, the output waveform can sound pleasant to the ears.  That's why tubes are EUPHONIC.  In contrast, SS gears distort with odd-ordered harmonics and this can be quite harsh to the ears even at 0.5% THD.  (Good thing SS gears have distortion levels in the 0.03% range and lower at their rated power which guarantees virutally no audible annoying distortion at lower comfortable listening levels.)


SETs have no SS counterpart.  Their simplicity in true Class A design puts them apart, but the most that I've seen is only 15watts RMS per channel.  Push Pull valve is the answer to the miniscule power that SETs deliver.  If more power is needed, SS is the answer for home listening.  Professional session guitarists prefer TUBE sound because the distortion in their flangers, and effects boxes are smoothed out and made more pleasant to hear by the even-ordered harmonic distortion of valve amplification in many guitar tube amps.  And they are are not full bandwidth as these tube amps have only 150 to 8khz frequency bandwidth, which is sufficient for guitars.  The output transformers in their signal path essentially provides a bandpass filterning at the output.  (Ofcourse there are also OTL tube designs.)

And volume knobs are not the best gauge for power.  Bear in mind that most analog potentiometers do not behave linearly.  Depending on the value used and the circuit design, their 11-12 o'clock position may already be in the max.  It has no positional equivalence in the more linear behaviour of digital AVR volume controls which are often continuously rotatable.

YES, I agree on your explanations and you're definitely right on that.  But I think I've heard a dual mono-block - push/pull tube amplifier rated 200W / ch @ 8 Ohms, and again, it's a tube power...what can you say about that?  If you want, I will ask a somebody here to allow us to have a listening session over his friend's place to see and hear the product...and it's also for sale.  8)
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: Signal2Noise on Jun 20, 2006 at 05:15 PM
Oooppss, pa-OT muna ako kung puwede (Mod maikli lang ito).   Mga kapatid sa musika...Baka may alam kayo na puwedeng mabilihan ng good recording CDs ng mga Kundiman, Mambo Music, Latin Jazz (bossanova) & brass bands lalo na iyong mga piyesa ng Tango Pilipino?  Iyong hindi ni-record galing sa old LPs, original analog recording from reels ang gusto ko.

Many thanks....

 8)
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: hattori_hanzo on Jun 20, 2006 at 06:19 PM
Oooppss, pa-OT muna ako kung puwede (Mod maikli lang ito).   Mga kapatid sa musika...Baka may alam kayo na puwedeng mabilihan ng good recording CDs ng mga Kundiman, Mambo Music, Latin Jazz (bossanova) & brass bands lalo na iyong mga piyesa ng Tango Pilipino?  Iyong hindi ni-record galing sa old LPs, original analog recording from reels ang gusto ko.

Many thanks....

 8)

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Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: aHobbit on Jun 21, 2006 at 11:02 AM
With regards to your questions?  When I said a 50W integrated amp is distinctively powerful than 80 or 90W receiver is because, an integrated amp is only driving 2 channel output  compared to an 80-90W receiver which is driving a 5 or 7.1 load.  The more speakers being connected, the higher the capacitance. We're talking about here MUSIC/Audio only, not home cinema application in my post.  In most 5 or 7.1 receivers, the output power were being desipitated into several channels.  No way on earth you can find an honest receiver driving 5 or 7.1 load  (all channels simultaneously driven) @ full declared power output in real-world condition.  Normally happens, it goes down to 70% of the declared output power.  Do you think the surround channel of your receiver for instance still producing an 80-90W output drive....No way man!  In most surround channels, it only has around 12-20W maximum output power, again in real-world condition / full frequency range.  Unlike in 2ch int. amp, it can drive both channels simultaneously...Kase nga Stereo di ba?

About the dynamic drive, in receiver configuration.  It actually designate those sudden burst of sounds to its surround, center & sub channels and some to the fronts.  While in stereo amp dynamic range, it has a higher dynamic output  because it caters music not home cinema straight directly to the front speakers.  Your asking about measurement?  Parehong measurement in W, nagkaiba lang sa application.



Hindi ka kasi nag-compare on equal ground eh! kapag 2-channel ang usapan ng comparison, then make it 2-channels. So if you compare your receiver to a 2-channel integrated, operate your receiver in 2-channel (not in multi-channel), then make your power comparison. In this way, baseless ang power comparison mo.

Otherwise, your integrated will also loose in the comparison kung pinipilit mong gawing 5-channel HT ang integrated amp mo.

An 5- or even 7-channel HT receiver can compete on power and dynamism of an integrated provided you operate your HT in stereo mode. It can even outperform your integrated in power and dynamics alone.


Power Drive....?  In comparison between AV receivers versus int. amps I said power drive because try to notice the volume (dB) indicator of your receiver.  Before you playloud nasaan iyong dial?  -20 or -10dB? (max. +18), while in stereo amp, from 8 o'clock as point of origin....@ 10-11 o'clock lang ay malakas na, but you can still go way up 'till 4 o'clock, basta capable iyong speakers na gamit mo and Party Time na 'yon.

Bro, you can not make use of the dB indicator of receivers as point of comparisons, as against the dial, unless your dial is marked what dB it is now. And the dB in HT receiver is being referred to its rated power, and it can turn continuously until 0dB (probably, +18dB is heavily distorted na, typically it should be 0dB – or its rated output). This is a wrong point of comparison – very subjective to merit technical attention.


You mentioned about the built-in pre-amp....Again Bro, we're talking here about integrated amp as a whole kaya nga integrated di ba?  If you give emphasis only on the pre-amp section, then you're talking here pre-amp....Right?   I mentioned in my post the comparison of AV receiver versus Integrated Amp (2ch) not the AV receiver versus pre-amp.

"HT-designed receiver that can topple integrateds if sonic performance is the issue"   YES correct ka doon kung ang pag-uusapan natin ay HT application but not pure stereo music?  Dahil lalamunin ng 2ch amp iyong HT receiver mo kapag music alone lang ang pinag-usapan....Maniwala ka sa akin, kahit i-audition mo pa sa mga audio showrooms.  Have you ever heard of Roksan Kandy MK-III/L.III or Jolida (EL34 50W) integrated tube amp? (Attn: Volt & Krug...what's the model of that mini-Jolida)?

To make it short, try to compare say any thousand dollar mark AV receiver (ex. Denon AVR-3805) versus Marantz PM7200, NAD C352 or Rotel RA-03 without mentioning tube integrateds baka mas lalong ma-outperform ng 30-50W EL-34 iyong 100W AVR in terms of music.  Again its  up to you to determine kung totoo ang sinasabi ko.  Good Luck 8)

Will answer this in 1 lot.

Paragraph 1:
Even if it is integrated, like in HT, integrateds have their own sonic equalizations (signature) – so what makes them pure (unaltered) audio reproduction.

There are HT receiver in stereo mode (again) that can topple integrateds – depending on the price level you want to pay for. And be sure you indicate which speakers you are talking about – or your missing the matching issue – when you are comparing. Tube will not be able to drive all kinds of speakers, so does solid states.

If you are talking technical comparisons here, tube will, in its majority can loose to a pure solid state – with all data that can be made available. If you are talking listening impressions (subjective, taste buds, personal preferences), everybody is free to declare his conclusions. But since you mention 100W (which is a technical measurement), your conclusions in technical terms are wrong! But if you take 100W subjectively (as if it has no real standard of measuring what a 100Watt is), then perhaps you are right. But a 100W is a technical measurement, so you are still wrong.
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: aHobbit on Jun 21, 2006 at 11:10 AM
I am not familiar with the Yammy or HK AVR that you mentioned.  Pero sonic performance hindi ka naging specific doon sa anong klaseng EL34 ba ang iko-compare mo doon sa 2. Meron mga El-34 tube amps na below $K mark na kayang i-out perform iyong mga sinasabi mong receivers.  Like those entry-level from Sophia Electric, Cary Audio & Jolida.  Actually itong Sophia & Cary nasa $1.5K MSRP pero pagdating na sa market medyo magiging less pa.    Meron din iyong mga gawang China at iyong mga locally manufactured dito sa atin worth Php25-45K per unit. 

A tube amplification is far more sonic and powerful (iyong mga detalye na hindi mo marinig sa AVR mo, ay maririnig mo using tube or hybrid SS int.).  Bakit kamo, sa receiver iisa lang ang transformer tapos may distribution ng power nito sa mga output channels.  Whereas in int. tube amps, always 2 ang output transformers dedicated for each channel nito (bukod pa doon sa power transformer nito), lalo na kung ang ginamit ay iyong the same standards as TO300 transformers.  Sa AVR 12Vdc lang ang dumadaloy na kuryente whereas sa tube I think 450-550Vdc.  Actually old technology na itong TO300, may mga later produced pa like TO350 and others from different models & brands.  Lalo pa siguro kung iyong mga KT-88/90 tubes (from brands like Pathos Logos & Audio Research-I've heard of these tandemed with Sonus Faber "Concerto" nung nasa Mid-East pa ako, near actual live performance na, parang kaharap mo lang si Dave Gruisin & Lee Ritenour habang nagja-jamming sa piano & guitar), kaya lang ang pinag-uusapan natin dito ay below $K mark amp kaya balik tayo sa El-34s.

But then again, saan mo ba iko-compare iyong Yammy & HK against the EL-34 configuration tube amp?  Pure audio lang ba or multi-channel home cinema application?  Kapag sinabi mong HT application, very obvious na Yams or HK pero uulitin ko, PURE AUDIO lang ba?  Baka magulat ka kung maging day & night ang difference nila.  Actually kung brand lang ang pag-uusapan, hindi Yams or HK ang prestigious name pagdating sa AVRs, kundi DENON.  Check mo sa mga different audio mags & reviews like What HiFi UK, Home Theater Mag, Stereophile, Audioholics.Com, HiFi Choice...Denon is the name.   Try to audition and ikaw na rin ang makakasagot sa tanong mo.... 8)  (Binebenta ko iyong Marantz AVR ko para pandagdag sa pambili ko nang Jolida, baka may alam ka na gustong bumili) Thanks..... :D

This is an old manuscripts! already discussed in audio lies and Myths. The output transformer of tube is different from the power transformers (of both tube and solid state). Output xf is needed in the tube because it needs to step up the miniscule power a tube amp can produce. whereas solid state do not need such xf in the signal output path! The day and night difference is very subjective, and is dependent on ones taste, preferences, and others. Many amps now, and very cheap at that have made tube competition very difficult. Many hard core audiophile - in the high end tube - are now restudying their paradigm. When others are now leaving, the other new (uninformed) is now entering. Good luck to your pocket then!  ;D
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: aHobbit on Jun 21, 2006 at 11:30 AM
Ito na nga ang sinasabi ko....Sa AVR, sabihin pa natin na 250W/ch x 7.1  pa 'yan.  HINDI mo makukuha iyong full 250W/ch in full frequency-real world condition while driving all 7.1ch.  NO WAY on Earth Man na ma-enjoy mo fullest iyong sinasabi sa specs ng produkto.  Sabi ko nga rin, sa surround channels na lang, even if sabihin pa na 250W pa 'yan, baka 12-20W lang ang makuha mo.  Meron ba na surround channel in home theater application with an output drive of 250W....'dre WALA...Unless may real-size cinema ka sa loob ng bahay mo.  Isa pa, marketing hype iyong 250W surround mode, tingnan nga natin kung maito-todo mo iyong volume nang 250W AVR mo?  Baka hindi ka makatagal sa loob ng listening room mo at hindi na music kundi NOISE na!  Or baka ito iyong power na sinasabi mo sa akin....don't tell me huh, patay tayo dyan, packup na ako pag ganyan.  :D  What I'm saying is Power & Sound, not Power and Noise.

Base doon sa specs na inilagay mo dito sa post, hindi mo ba napansin na puro 250W or 100W per channel?  Pero hindi sinabi na 250W all channels driven?  Bro, magkaiba iyong 250W/ch sa 250Wx7.1 all channels driven simultaneously.   Muli ito iyong sinasabi ko sa iyo na full & honest disclosure ng power output, sa mga manufacturers ng AVR, always play safe sila.  Subukan mong i-drive lahat ng 7.1 channels nito (simultaneously) at i-lab test mo, tingnan natin kung talagang full 250W ang talagang lumalabas each of every channels?  Baka magulat ka kapag nasa +/- 150W ka na lang.  (note: Yamaha iyong 250W/ch, noticed na 170W na lang ito pagdating sa fronts at iyong HK-100W naging 85W/ch na lang pagdating din sa fronts nito.) 

Pag ganito, lalamunin ng 50W tube power iyong 85W HK mo.  Sa Yammy, ang sabi ay 250W Max. Power pero hindi sinabi na continuous. At noticed mo uli sa ibaba, ang nakalagay ay Dynamic range @ 8 ohms ay 210W na lang, kase ibinase ito doon sa fronts @ 8 ohms na 170W.  SO NASAAN IYONG SINASABI MO NA 250W/ch Output?..Sa papel lang 'yon 'dre he-he-he. :D Ikaw ang nagbigay nitong specs ng Yamaha, hindi ako? ;D

Rule of thumb, iba ang tube power sa AVR power.  Sa mga audiophiles and veterans in electronics....X3 ang tube power.  Ang 10-11 o'clock ng tube amp ay hamak na mas malakas sa -30dB ng AVR, itaga mo sa bato at totoo itong sinasabi ko.  Kung gusto mo, subukan mong pumunta sa mga tube dealers diyan sa Makati or Quezon City at i-audition mo iyong mga EL-34s nila tapos i-compare mo sa sinasabi mong 250W AVR.  Sound quality, sound definition, warmth and sonic impact makikita mo iyong tube amp ay way ahead sa AVR na sinasabi mo.  I will not further explain pa, better to audition head-to-head, and let your ears be the final verdict. (bilihin mo na lang iyong Marantz ko)  8)

Bro, an AVR can reach 0db level. yung tube na sinasabi mo, baka di umabot ng 0-db yan kung -30db pa lang, sabi mo malakas na - I assume you are using same loudspeakers in the test. I think you are refering to amp sensitivity, rather than power - this is not a measurement of amps power. Mahirap pagsamahain ang subjectivism and objectivism. Objectively, it is easy to judge - walang guess work (as in, listen and let your ears decide  ;D). Subjectively, let's rumble  ;D  ;D  ;D!
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: av_phile1 on Jun 21, 2006 at 11:47 AM
YES, I agree on your explanations and you're definitely right on that.  But I think I've heard a dual mono-block - push/pull tube amplifier rated 200W / ch @ 8 Ohms, and again, it's a tube power...what can you say about that?  If you want, I will ask a somebody here to allow us to have a listening session over his friend's place to see and hear the product...and it's also for sale.  8)

I would hate to see my electric bill for a 200wpc tube amp.   Especially if it's class A.  ;D  The heat generated by a 5-watt SET is already considerable.   How many cascaded tubes are we looking at here?
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: hattori_hanzo on Jun 21, 2006 at 12:25 PM
a new topic has arise....

"CLASHES OF THE AUDIOPHILES"

 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: john5479 on Jun 21, 2006 at 01:16 PM
In perspective a 200w class A solid state amp generates comparable heat as well, along with the power consumption. Pass Labs anyone? 8) Then again a 200wpc tube amp occupies a lot of real estate (i.e. jadis ja200)

Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: Signal2Noise on Jun 21, 2006 at 05:46 PM
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Bro', salamat basta hindi tulad ng recordings na gawa ng isang zodiac sign record company. 8)

PM kita later....... 8)
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: Signal2Noise on Jun 21, 2006 at 06:11 PM



Hindi ka kasi nag-compare on equal ground eh! kapag 2-channel ang usapan ng comparison, then make it 2-channels. So if you compare your receiver to a 2-channel integrated, operate your receiver in 2-channel (not in multi-channel), then make your power comparison. In this way, baseless ang power comparison mo.

Otherwise, your integrated will also loose in the comparison kung pinipilit mong gawing 5-channel HT ang integrated amp mo.

An 5- or even 7-channel HT receiver can compete on power and dynamism of an integrated provided you operate your HT in stereo mode. It can even outperform your integrated in power and dynamics alone.


Bro, you can not make use of the dB indicator of receivers as point of comparisons, as against the dial, unless your dial is marked what dB it is now. And the dB in HT receiver is being referred to its rated power, and it can turn continuously until 0dB (probably, +18dB is heavily distorted na, typically it should be 0dB – or its rated output). This is a wrong point of comparison – very subjective to merit technical attention.


Will answer this in 1 lot.

Paragraph 1:
Even if it is integrated, like in HT, integrateds have their own sonic equalizations (signature) – so what makes them pure (unaltered) audio reproduction.

There are HT receiver in stereo mode (again) that can topple integrateds – depending on the price level you want to pay for. And be sure you indicate which speakers you are talking about – or your missing the matching issue – when you are comparing. Tube will not be able to drive all kinds of speakers, so does solid states.

If you are talking technical comparisons here, tube will, in its majority can loose to a pure solid state – with all data that can be made available. If you are talking listening impressions (subjective, taste buds, personal preferences), everybody is free to declare his conclusions. But since you mention 100W (which is a technical measurement), your conclusions in technical terms are wrong! But if you take 100W subjectively (as if it has no real standard of measuring what a 100Watt is), then perhaps you are right. But a 100W is a technical measurement, so you are still wrong.


Most int. amps don't have a dB dial kase nga base sila sa audophile designs....Which are simple and no fancy whatsoever.  Most int. amps doesn't claimed digital as what other receiver manufacturers do (BTW, there's no such thing as digital sound, lahat 'yan analog from the time of recording hanggang sa paglabas ng sound sa loudspeakers).  Kaya sa mga int. amps, by o'clock tinitingnan at hindi kung ilang dB kase nga wala naman LCD, siguro iyong iba meron na.

Stereo mode in receivers is still different to the full stereo mode ng isang highly engineered  int. amp.  Very rare na magkapareho ito, kase magkaiba ang design at configuration ng bawat isa.  Maliban na lang kung nag-compare ka sa mga Jap-Made int. amp.  Bro' try to compare int. amps like Roksan Kandy MK-III, Exposure 2010S, Marantz PM7200, NAD C320CT, Rotel RA-03, Audiolab..etc to your preferred receiver and ikaw nang humusga.  Kaya nung nasa Mid-East ako, ay bibihira sa tropa namin including those other audiofools ang bumili ng receivers kase nai-compare na namin ito side-by-side, kaya alam ko kung ano ang claim ko with regards to amplifiers/receivers except kung ang gustong setup ay HT.

Basta ang alam ko, wala akong nakita or nalaman na individual na nasa tube amplifications na lumipat sa SS or receivers, pero marami akong alam na nasa SS or receivers  na nag-switched sa tube...'yon lang kapatid and I will never argue with you kase ang sa akin ay personal experience...."Como estas senhor hobbit"
8)
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: hattori_hanzo on Jun 21, 2006 at 07:22 PM
Bro', salamat basta hindi tulad ng recordings na gawa ng isang zodiac sign record company. 8)

PM kita later....... 8)

bro hindi galing yung recording dun ha? files came from original cd's. tranfered nga lang to CDR. sige if your interested just PM me... just try kahit isa then pag nagustuhan mo lets have a good deal... 
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: oweidah on Jun 21, 2006 at 07:39 PM
sirs,
choosing a receiver...if it means strictly just a receiver not an audio video receiver,
i believe vintage receivers are best. compared with new ss integrated amps, baka mapahiya even mid to totl models sa mga vintage rcvrs (ss and/or tubes; stereo o quadrasonic)circa 60s to 80s-sansui marantz pioneer harman kardon, hk citation, nikko, luxman to name a few ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: hattori_hanzo on Jun 21, 2006 at 07:58 PM
sirs,
choosing a receiver...if it means strictly just a receiver not an audio video receiver,
i believe vintage receivers are best. compared with new ss integrated amps, baka mapahiya even mid to totl models sa mga vintage rcvrs (ss and/or tubes; stereo o quadrasonic)circa 60s to 80s-sansui marantz pioneer harman kardon, hk citation, nikko, luxman to name a few ;D ;D ;D

Korek! lalo na yung mga vintage na Vfets model...
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: bumblebee on Jun 21, 2006 at 09:38 PM
S2N,

Are you comparing int amps and receivers subjectively? Tube and SS subjectively? Para malinaw.
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: b0ss_sa_b0ss on Jun 22, 2006 at 01:23 PM
a new topic has arise....

"CLASHES OF THE AUDIOPHILES"

 ;D ;D ;D
dito kayo wuhuuuuu  ;D
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: Dracula on Jun 22, 2006 at 02:38 PM
What is the advantage of having a receiver which is 7.1?  DTS and DDEX only do 6.1 anyway... ??? Enlighten me thanks ;D
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: aHobbit on Jun 22, 2006 at 03:30 PM
S2N,

Are you comparing int amps and receivers subjectively? Tube and SS subjectively? Para malinaw.

'yan nga ang hirap kapag pinaghalo mo ang subjectivity and objectivity eh! Kahit vintage audio amp pa yan o contemporary amp pa yan, if they are measured to be of the same specification, will be on the same rating. Kahit bakal pa ang parts ng vintage mo (I have dual mono blocks, 26kg total weight, with 8 big power caps, 4 for each channel) - configurable separate or integrated - 60 watts per ch. If I have receiver at 60wpc, preho lang power specs nila.

with regards to other specs e.g. sensitivity, dynamic headroom, loading, etc - magkakaiba talaga 'yan.

Ngayon, kung ang pangsukat e tenga lang - naku po - 'wag namang lagyan ng technical measurement kasi subjective lang yan at walang basis ng technical comparison. Mas maganda sa tenga mo, mas malakas sa pandinig mo kasi magkaiba ng ikot ng dial - shallow technicals!  ???

Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: aHobbit on Jun 22, 2006 at 03:59 PM
Stereo mode in receivers is still different to the full stereo mode ng isang highly engineered  int. amp.  Very rare na magkapareho ito, kase magkaiba ang design at configuration ng bawat isa.  Maliban na lang kung nag-compare ka sa mga Jap-Made int. amp.  Bro' try to compare int. amps like Roksan Kandy MK-III, Exposure 2010S, Marantz PM7200, NAD C320CT, Rotel RA-03, Audiolab..etc to your preferred receiver and ikaw nang humusga.  Kaya nung nasa Mid-East ako, ay bibihira sa tropa namin including those other audiofools ang bumili ng receivers kase nai-compare na namin ito side-by-side, kaya alam ko kung ano ang claim ko with regards to amplifiers/receivers except kung ang gustong setup ay HT.

Basta ang alam ko, wala akong nakita or nalaman na individual na nasa tube amplifications na lumipat sa SS or receivers, pero marami akong alam na nasa SS or receivers  na nag-switched sa tube...'yon lang kapatid and I will never argue with you kase ang sa akin ay personal experience...."Como estas senhor hobbit"[/b] 8)

Muy bien, gracias, senor!  ;D

I don't know what you mean highly engineered amplifier (highly hyped, overkill price parts, gold laminated connector, silver etching, low demand hi-end glorified signature amp, hand-made/crafted, with special woods on the side, oversized heatsinks, overweight torroidals, 5mm aluminum faceplates, the pride of owning the name brand).

If highly engineered - then it is technicals (objective). and many integrated (then and now) and receivers can compete in the technical (engineering), this is not ROCKET science. what dictate the price is the demand and supply law (economics) - but if you want more fancy in the amp, you pay more. gold plateds, alps logarhytmic pots, silver and monster cable inside, dual torroids for your peace of mind and good sleep. If it is 20W at ,01THD, no matter waht you oversize in the amp, it will be 20W .01THD, and a receiver withthese rating will just be the same even if it did not use heat sink and other fancy boutique parts.

Those high end hold their respective sonic signature (equalizations in the pre-amp) that makes them sound different. IF it is tube, then their corresponding characteristics makes the difference - this is dependent on ones taste, and it is not applicable for all (being subjective in nature). But just the same, the 20W .01THD is the same between SS and tube.

I do not questions the preference of M/E OFWs, some of them attracted to buy based on their peers' suggestion, but I dont insinuate whether their purchases are based on sound technical comparisons or not. But even if it is a group buy of what they think they like, I will not conclude (technically) that since they bought the range of so so names, what they bought are whats best in terms of stereo reproductions (just because they are majority who did so) - very weak basis IMHO.

Marami rin akong encounter with M/E filipinos - typically bass-inclined. Pag HT inclined, typically they are for BOSE  ;D

Medyo lawakan mo ang surfing mo ng audio forum - at hwag magkulong sa mga kapwa mo tube lovers, then you will be able to encounter them. Some tube audiophiles just can not give up their gears for sheer cost that they have invested, though some dont mind it. Whether you believe the truth on the technical specifications or not, does not alter the truth of tech specs. My reading of your comparisons are purely subjective - based on your personal preference and inclinations & some notions not supported by any technical basis, and as such - debatable thing, and does not hold any ground.

Technically, w/o any standards, it will be futile to compare, or even attempt to compare as if you sound technical, can easily be detected to be guessing only.

Subjectively, we should not debate but honor our respective taste. Otherwise, let's rumble (aka wrestling!)  ;D   ;D   ;D
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: aHobbit on Jun 22, 2006 at 04:06 PM
sirs,
choosing a receiver...if it means strictly just a receiver not an audio video receiver,
i believe vintage receivers are best. compared with new ss integrated amps, baka mapahiya even mid to totl models sa mga vintage rcvrs (ss and/or tubes; stereo o quadrasonic)circa 60s to 80s-sansui marantz pioneer harman kardon, hk citation, nikko, luxman to name a few ;D ;D ;D

I consider vintage receivers (and not only them but the rest of vintage electronics, speakers) - they are built like tanks, for lifetime use. Audio engineering wise, new integ amp and receivers are better today but will not really last like the vintage material-wise. Price level, vintage cost as brand new then can compete with low-cost integ amp of today in design. It is good we can enjoy them at very small fraction of their original price.
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: john5479 on Jun 23, 2006 at 08:55 AM
well...i know some people that switched from tubes to ss, me included :) its just a matter of preference.
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: Voltraizer on Jun 23, 2006 at 09:03 AM
well...i know some people that switched from tubes to ss, me included :) its just a matter of preference.
John you are 100% correct. With the wide variety of taste and available product, everybody has the right to
make their choice in accordance to their musical taste and preference and I find it weird if somebody will criticize your chosen path whether tubes or solid state...... Price has nothing to do with it. Budget-constraint is also a factor but it doesn't mean that you can't get quality sound kung pipiliin mo reasonably priced na  match-up.
For my part, Since "value for money" ang philosophy sa pagpili ng audio product.....Price per performance factor ang tinitingnan ko ...hindi "pride and prestige". 8)
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: arthurallanj on Jun 23, 2006 at 09:11 AM
What is the advantage of having a receiver which is 7.1?  DTS and DDEX only do 6.1 anyway... ??? Enlighten me thanks ;D

FUTURE-PROOFING. Some few years ago there was only 5.1 with Dolby Digital and DTS, then both came up with 6.1 channel formats. Can you really say that there won't be a 7.1 channel format in the future? It may come, it may not, but this may be the most common reason why 7.1 receiver-buyers get such receivers, like myself. Most of them don't want to buy another receiver just to keep up with the latest format, so instead of being just up-to-date, they decided to be advanced in that aspect, so when the time does come that a 7.1 channel format is available, they're ready for it. Besides, I kinda like having as many as 9 sattelite speakers in my HT area.  ;D Hope I helped. ;)
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: Voltraizer on Jun 23, 2006 at 09:30 AM
There is no such thing as "future proofing" lalo na sa bilis ng technology. I bought Prologic receiver nuon na-obsolete nung nagkaroon ng Dolby Digital 5.1 or DTS etc etc....  In the same manner, with computers yun XT naging AT naging Pentium III, Iv etc.etc We just have to buy what's available and enjoy it hanggang ma-obsolete.
Just my mamera. 8)
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: aHobbit on Jun 23, 2006 at 10:10 AM
There is no such thing as "future proofing" lalo na sa bilis ng technology. I bought Prologic receiver nuon na-obsolete nung nagkaroon ng Dolby Digital 5.1 or DTS etc etc....  In the same manner, with computers yun XT naging AT naging Pentium III, Iv etc.etc We just have to buy what's available and enjoy it hanggang ma-obsolete.
Just my mamera. 8)


I beg to disagree ... you can ... but not on the area of pre-processing. In the amp area, you can.

Only with the likes of HT that has 7.1/9.1 external input - thus, you may stay with the amp as long as you like and just buy upgrades in players with updated DSP which has n.1 output.

Another way is invest in power amp, 5? 7? 9? 11? to your heart's content. Provided of course, that your purchase standard are those HT with pre-outs. So you just continue to upgrade the HT side, and make use of pre-outs to feed your invested amps. Marantz, being low-cost with pre-outs are good candidates for this strategy. So buy every year, and sell after 1 year - high resale value pa rin, and invest a little to keep your HT preamp updated. You can maintain your ol' good amp for the rest of your life!  ;D

Investing in just HT equipment now because of 7.1 output implementation is not really future proofing - the DSP inside is the single point of issue.
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: ATJr. on Jun 23, 2006 at 10:15 AM
Quote
"100W/ch @ 8 ohms, with no more than 0.1% THD, from 20-20,000 Hz, all channels driven."

exactly to the 1975 FTC specifications! anything not like this you can not use, specially when you want to compare recievers of different makes and models.
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: aHobbit on Jun 23, 2006 at 10:21 AM
well...i know some people that switched from tubes to ss, me included :) its just a matter of preference.

 ;) . It's good you exemplify your self ... I also have encounter, unusual at that, who made his mind up to give up more than $ 10,000 tube investment in favor of a small LM3886 chip - not because of cost - but because of sonic differences he experienced with the 2 amps - take note, this is highly subjective, depending on your speakers and sources. I can dig the info sources, but will not post it anymore as there are lots of them in the internet, only if you are serious to read them.

Of course, there are those from SS to tube. But switching alone is not a technical basis to conclude one is better than the other. It still boils down to preference. Technical specs can be used to determine the amps' performance. However, good tech specs will not always guarantee outstanding sonic performance - take the speaker / sources / listening environment into equation.
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: aHobbit on Jun 23, 2006 at 10:26 AM
exactly to the 1975 FTC specifications! anything not like this you can not use, specially when you want to compare recievers of different makes and models.

These standards makes it more difficult to compare receivers/integ amps. At least subscribe to a third party audio mag (like hometheaterchoice that do test on equal footing) to get the real score.

However, in stereo mode, typical multichannel receivers can deliver their touted specs.
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: av_phile1 on Jun 23, 2006 at 10:35 AM
There is no such thing as "future proofing" lalo na sa bilis ng technology. I bought Prologic receiver nuon na-obsolete nung nagkaroon ng Dolby Digital 5.1 or DTS etc etc....  In the same manner, with computers yun XT naging AT naging Pentium III, Iv etc.etc We just have to buy what's available and enjoy it hanggang ma-obsolete.
Just my mamera. 8)


Futre-proofing is a big risk.  Some people I know who invested on the Yamaha Z9 with 9 channels thought future proofing was another benefit of that gear.  Now that HD-DTS and Dolby True HD are just around the corner, their gears have suddenly become obsolete on the audio format decoding side.  

And that is why there's argument on the side of using separates.  You can upgrade just your players or decoder boxes.  And retain the preamps, power amps and speakers that can last a lifetime or two. But the nice thing about getting flagship receivers are their MAIN IN amp features.  So if you like their amp flavour, you can just get a new preamp/processor with the new decoding features and plug it into your receiver's Main In power amp terminals.  
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: Voltraizer on Jun 23, 2006 at 10:54 AM
I beg to disagree ... you can ... but not on the area of pre-processing. In the amp area, you can.

Only with the likes of HT that has 7.1/9.1 external input - thus, you may stay with the amp as long as you like and just buy upgrades in players with updated DSP which has n.1 output.

Another way is invest in power amp, 5? 7? 9? 11? to your heart's content. Provided of course, that your purchase standard are those HT with pre-outs. So you just continue to upgrade the HT side, and make use of pre-outs to feed your invested amps. Marantz, being low-cost with pre-outs are good candidates for this strategy. So buy every year, and sell after 1 year - high resale value pa rin, and invest a little to keep your HT preamp updated. You can maintain your ol' good amp for the rest of your life!  ;D

Investing in just HT equipment now because of 7.1 output implementation is not really future proofing - the DSP inside is the single point of issue.

"Futue proofing" is another techno-mumbo marketing hype. Sige mag-install ka ng windows XP home edition sa AT computer mo (exageration) or palabasin mo yun tunog ng separate chanels pag may 10.1 channel na sa dolby-prologic na receiver mo.(again an exageration).
We are talking about technology here, and the design of receiver depends on the saleability of it's feature. 8)
And it would be less expensive to buy a new receiver, than buying additional separates that will complicate your connections and the simpler the set-up the less complication and expense.
Kung amp lang pag-uusapan, (that's not the context of my previous statement), Bumili ka na lang ng monoblock amp para walang kupas, 1 amp per channel. I'm talking about the receiver .
On the issue of receiver becoming obsolete, that's a reallity and manufacturers really want the consumer to buy and replace.
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: av_phile1 on Jun 23, 2006 at 11:18 AM
Most int. amps don't have a dB dial kase nga base sila sa audophile designs....Which are simple and no fancy whatsoever. 

There are quite a number of integrated I've seen with db markings around their volume knobs.  But they're not entirely accurate.  You might be referring to some esoteric preamps with no markings on the volume control.


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Most int. amps doesn't claimed digital as what other receiver manufacturers do


Just for your info, there are also integrateds with digital processing, mostly from Yamaha, Denon, Krell and Soundfire, to mention those that I've seen.  If you visit the pier there are many old PROLOGIC integrateds from Kenwood, Technics, and Yamaha.  


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(BTW, there's no such thing as digital sound, lahat 'yan analog from the time of recording hanggang sa paglabas ng sound sa loudspeakers).


I would like to think that a good playback system would be transparent as to whether you have an analog or a digital system.  But in the early days of CD, digital sound can be differentiated with analog sound.  There are still distinctions.  Between a CD and an LP, you can clearly distinguish most of the time.  One is clinically clean and bandpassed no lower than 20hz, the other has tics and pops and infrasonics below 20hz.  ;D

About the only analog sound there is is what comes into the microphones in the recording stage and what goes into power amps in the playback stage (but if using digital power amps, the reconstitution to analog happens at the final amp stage.)  The de facto processing these days are in the digital domain.  Most mixing consoles are already digital and output to a CPU for master processing in the 96/24 or 1-bit DSD formats.  Even the guitar and bass amps of most rock stars use class D amps, not to mention the Roland and yamaha syntesizers which go into the processing console via USB.  We are in the digital age.  ;D


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Kaya sa mga int. amps, by o'clock tinitingnan at hindi kung ilang dB kase nga wala naman LCD, siguro iyong iba meron na.

Volume position is not accurate basis for comparison.  Some integrateds are already maxed at 11 o'clock and anything beyond that you go into severe clipping already.  While others can be pushed to 3 o"clock and still sound cleanly.  

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Basta ang alam ko, wala akong nakita or nalaman na individual na nasa tube amplifications na lumipat sa SS or receivers, pero marami akong alam na nasa SS or receivers  na nag-switched sa tube...'yon lang kapatid and I will never argue with you kase ang sa akin ay personal experience...."Como estas senhor hobbit"[/b] 8)

I inherited some Dynaco and Luxman tubes from my dad in the early 80s and promptly disposed of them later that decade.  It is not so much because SS sounded better.  Actually, the tubes had better vocal body.  But when I learned they have oodles of even-ordered harmonic distortions that colored their sound to make them euphonic, and that good SS designs have so little THDs even at max settings, I promptly disposed of them.  I am more into High Fidelity than Euphony.  I just can't listen comfortably knowing in the back of my head that I am listening to distorted signals, no matter how pleasant sounding.  But that's just me, ofcourse.
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: oweidah on Jun 23, 2006 at 12:03 PM
I inherited some Dynaco and Luxman tubes from my dad in the early 80s and promptly disposed of them later that decade.  It is not so much because SS sounded better.  Actually, the tubes had better vocal body.  But when I learned they have oodles of even-ordered harmonic distortions that colored their sound to make them euphonic, and that good SS designs have so little THDs even at max settings, I promptly disposed of them.  I am more into High Fidelity than Euphony.  I just can't listen comfortably knowing in the back of my head that I am listening to distorted signals, no matter how pleasant sounding.  But that's just me, ofcourse.

minsan sa hobby na ito, mas ok kung mag-enjoy na lang maski konti kaalaman.  ;D
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: av_phile1 on Jun 23, 2006 at 12:21 PM
minsan sa hobby na ito, mas ok kung mag-enjoy na lang maski konti kaalaman.  ;D

True. Many times what you don't know won't hurt you.   ;D  But at other times, what you know can be liberating. It can free you from having to engage in expensive but worthless audio lies and myths.   ;D
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: Voltraizer on Jun 23, 2006 at 12:52 PM
True. Many times what you don't know won't hurt you.   ;D  But at other times, what you know can be liberating. It can free you from having to engage in expensive but worthless audio lies and myths.   ;D
Liberating indeed!!! 8) 8) 8)
"Ignorance is bliss" depending on the situation you are in.  If you are given a mini-component, and you are happy with the way things are meaning you pop in a music CD and listen and quite content and happy with it . Enjoy , "ignorance is bliss". But if you have a budget and your objective is to buy a good qualtiy sounding audio equipment, Would it be a plus factor, if you educate yourself with knowledge so that you won't be fooled into buying trash-hyped audio product?  Otherwise with all those audio lies, myths and hypes floating around, you might waste money invested into trash. I heard ignoramus who attribute the qualities of a good sound through a certain brand of speaker cables alone  saying it's transparent, neutral or detailed without specifying what front-end is used or what kind of integrated amp is used or what kind of speakers were used. Just by cable alone, descriptions were made. So , he may have bought a P25k CD player and P35k speaker cable and P10k of  ic. Where's the logic in that? ;D
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: hattori_hanzo on Jun 23, 2006 at 12:53 PM
the word "future proofing" for audio gears has no meaning, its a myth created by audophile's for audio technology... why?

if there a "proofing" for the "future", then there will be no future or upgrades for technology... it will be stagnant and stays the way it is...

it is like those cellphones and computers techology. So if you buy an existing audio gear that has the present audio technology. well expect that it wont last, there will be another that will replace those techology. thats how the audio world evolves...

if you want to "again" say "future proofing" then why not "future proofing" yourself by being contented and happy for what present audio gears you have...    

buti na lang hindi ako "future proof" hahaha!!!
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: oweidah on Jun 23, 2006 at 01:03 PM
but if one is gonna immerse himself sa high fidelity, euphonics, audiophile, myths & lies issues etc eh walang katapusang bangayan at dakdakan lang ng matalinhagang kuro-kuro, idea at "cut and paste"  infos lang yan.

choosing a receiver lang ang topic, look where it led? susunod bose na naman? ???
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: Voltraizer on Jun 23, 2006 at 01:14 PM
but if one is gonna immerse himself sa high fidelity, euphonics, audiophile, myths & lies issues etc eh walang katapusang bangayan at dakdakan lang ng matalinhagang kuro-kuro, idea at "cut and paste"  infos lang yan.

choosing a receiver lang ang topic, look where it led? susunod bose na naman? ???
Naku oweidah, idol!!! The source of the statement "kung san ka masaya ,suportahan kata!"...
These discussion are meant to inform. and naturally varied insights ang makikita mo.
Kakatawa no, receiver lang pinag-uusapan napunta kung saan saan. But at least lahat ng
"lies and myths" mabunyag na!!!!! ha ha ha ;D ;D ;D ;D
Cool lang !!!!!
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: oweidah on Jun 23, 2006 at 01:18 PM
hehehe....miami heat hang-over ;D

sensia na minsan pag-paulit-ulit discussions na pare-pareho din kuro-kuro eh paikot-ikot lang, nakakahilo para sa simpleng tao gaya ko ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: Voltraizer on Jun 23, 2006 at 01:20 PM
hehehe....miami heat hang-over ;D

sensia na minsan pag-paulit-ulit discussions na pare-pareho din kuro-kuro eh paikot-ikot lang, nakakahilo para sa simpleng tao gaya ko ;D ;D ;D
Ito si Hanns me pakana nito, gusto pang dalhin 'tong topic sa "audio lies and myths"..
Ila-laser sword ko na yan!!!!! LAZEER SWORD!!!!!! ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: bumblebee on Jun 23, 2006 at 01:51 PM
Gusto nyo ba, lahat ng sagot sa tanong regarding audio is "Let your ears decide."?

Pls recommend speakers.

Let your ears decide.

Good amp for stereo listening?

Let your ears decide.

Speakers for the T-amp?

Let your ears decide.

SACD vs HDCD

Let your ears decide.

Kung sa bagay, tipid sa space.
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: hattori_hanzo on Jun 23, 2006 at 02:15 PM
Ito si Hanns me pakana nito, gusto pang dalhin 'tong topic sa "audio lies and myths"..
Ila-laser sword ko na yan!!!!! LAZEER SWORD!!!!!! ;D ;D ;D

awouchhh!!! hindi tumalab yung ultra magnetic top... yari ako sa lazer sword mo? sumbong kita kay price zwardos hehehehe!!!! ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: av_phile1 on Jun 23, 2006 at 02:46 PM
Gusto nyo ba, lahat ng sagot sa tanong regarding audio is "Let your ears decide."?

Pls recommend speakers.

Let your ears decide.

Good amp for stereo listening?

Let your ears decide.

Speakers for the T-amp?

Let your ears decide.

SACD vs HDCD

Let your ears decide.

Kung sa bagay, tipid sa space.

That seems to be the easiest recommendation.  A no brainer. 

But really now,  because this hobby is so personal, what else can you say.  The trend of most answers to such questions you raised above is you cite you experience on one brand in a specific situation unique to you, then close it by saying "audition and let your ears decide."  That's probably the most common and safest statement in this forum, next to "just my 2 cents" and "that's just me."  ;D
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: av_phile1 on Jun 23, 2006 at 02:49 PM
the word "future proofing" for audio gears has no meaning, its a myth created by audophile's for audio technology... why?

if there a "proofing" for the "future", then there will be no future or upgrades for technology... it will be stagnant and stays the way it is...

it is like those cellphones and computers techology. So if you buy an existing audio gear that has the present audio technology. well expect that it wont last, there will be another that will replace those techology. thats how the audio world evolves...

if you want to "again" say "future proofing" then why not "future proofing" yourself by being contented and happy for what present audio gears you have...    

buti na lang hindi ako "future proof" hahaha!!!

Maybe it's a good idea to define what "future-proofing" means.  Does upgradability of a receiver, in part or in whole, make it "future-proof?'  "Is being upgradeable same as "future-proof?"  If future-proofing time-bound, say 2-3 years only? 

Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: Voltraizer on Jun 23, 2006 at 03:02 PM
That seems to be the easiest recommendation.  A no brainer. 

But really now,  because this hobby is so personal, what else can you say.  The trend of most answers to such questions you raised above is you cite you experience on one brand in a specific situation unique to you, then close it by saying "audition and let your ears decide."  That's probably the most common and safest statement in this forum, next to "just my 2 cents" and "that's just me."  ;D
Actually, dun papunta naman yun sagot to every "audio" questions. "Audition and let your ears decide."
Siyempre, hihiluhin ka muna ng technicalities including pseudo-scientific phrases then babanatan ka ng esoteric audio-descriptive phrases. But in the end, the reviewer will say. Better audition the product and let your ears decide!
By golly, it's an audio product...we really have to listen if it's pleasing to our ears according to our individual taste and standard. Yun ang ending. Duon papunta....
Of course, mas madali sumagot agad  ng , "let your ears decide"plus that's just me .......just my one cent.... ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: oweidah on Jun 23, 2006 at 04:19 PM
the answer is blowin in the wind...have a nice weekend guys.
peace ;D
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: aHobbit on Jun 23, 2006 at 06:35 PM
"Futue proofing" is another techno-mumbo marketing hype. Sige mag-install ka ng windows XP home edition sa AT computer mo (exageration) or palabasin mo yun tunog ng separate chanels pag may 10.1 channel na sa dolby-prologic na receiver mo.(again an exageration).
We are talking about technology here, and the design of receiver depends on the saleability of it's feature. 8)
And it would be less expensive to buy a new receiver, than buying additional separates that will complicate your connections and the simpler the set-up the less complication and expense.
Kung amp lang pag-uusapan, (that's not the context of my previous statement), Bumili ka na lang ng monoblock amp para walang kupas, 1 amp per channel. I'm talking about the receiver .
On the issue of receiver becoming obsolete, that's a reallity and manufacturers really want the consumer to buy and replace.


O sige, hindi na future proofing the HT receiver - recycling na lang  ;D  ;D  ;D

Ano na ba nasa pier?  :D
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: Signal2Noise on Jun 23, 2006 at 08:41 PM
'yan nga ang hirap kapag pinaghalo mo ang subjectivity and objectivity eh! Kahit vintage audio amp pa yan o contemporary amp pa yan, if they are measured to be of the same specification, will be on the same rating. Kahit bakal pa ang parts ng vintage mo (I have dual mono blocks, 26kg total weight, with 8 big power caps, 4 for each channel) - configurable separate or integrated - 60 watts per ch. If I have receiver at 60wpc, preho lang power specs nila.

with regards to other specs e.g. sensitivity, dynamic headroom, loading, etc - magkakaiba talaga 'yan.

Ngayon, kung ang pangsukat e tenga lang - naku po - 'wag namang lagyan ng technical measurement kasi subjective lang yan at walang basis ng technical comparison. Mas maganda sa tenga mo, mas malakas sa pandinig mo kasi magkaiba ng ikot ng dial - shallow technicals!  ???



aHobbit,

Iyong basis mo ay purely "by the book", old notion of learning na ito.  Go and explore, research and evolved so that you will know what's written in the book and what are those actually happening....Ano ba ang ibig kong sabihin dito?

 I'll give you a simple analogy (Watt is Watt, Watt = Watt).......Miles/Hr = Miles/hr...OK ba?

300miles/hr Ferrari  versus  300miles/hr Corvette.  Parehong 300miles/hr speed and will run in the same speedway.  Anong result?  Ferrari wins.  Ask me kung bakit eh pareho lang naman silang tumakbo ng 300miles/hr?  Ano sagot ko, eh kahit pareho nga sila ng speed/velocity @ 300 miles/hr eh kung mas mataas at mas malakas humatak (torque) nung Ferrari, siguradong mamumuraot iyong Corvette? 

Another concrete analogy with regards to variable comparison (50W/ch tube versus 80W/ch SS or Receiver)....1000cc Suzuki Big Bike versus  880cc Harley Davidson Iron Horse.  When I was in the Mid-East, nakipag-pustahan iyong utol ko sa isang Arabo ng Drag Race.  The Arab used Suzuki SV1000 Naked Big Bike while my bro used his Harley Davidson 880 Custom-Built Sportster.  The same as what happened to Corvette, namuraot iyong Suzuki nung Arabo at halos tumagas iyong engine oil nito.  As a proof, you can view the Winning Iron Horse,  naka-display sa garden ng bahay namin dito sa Malate.

Again, ang pinag-uusapan natin dito ay POWER....8)

Anong relation nito doon sa Watt=Watt or Watt is Watt?  Ngayon masasagot at maiintindihan mo na iyong argumento ko, pag ito hindi mo pa naintindihan ewan ko na lang...Uulitin ko, Miles/hr = Miles/hr  or Velocity is Velocity.  Pareho 'yan kahit saan Physics Book mo tingnan pero may exemption to the rule. 8)

Did I read from here na those Vintage Amp may sound the same or mas maganda pa sa mga new series amplifiers?  Sabi ni aHobbit, iyong claims ko walang technical basis.  You asked for it, iyong mga electronic components na ginamit sa mga Vintage Amps ay 20% tolerance-ibig sabihin -20 accuracy with reference to zero (0).  Iyong mga electronic components na gamit ngayon ng modern amps ay at most 5 to 1% tolerance....Ibig sabihin -5 to -1% accuracy (near zero).  Iyong current na dumadaloy ay dito ay almost perfect.  Ang color code nito ay GOLD (5-1%), tulad ng ginamit sa mga multi-meter testers for accuracy.  And Silver (10%)..etc.  Siguro alam mo ibig kong sabihin? Hindi galing sa internet ito, napag-aralan at natutunan lang po. 8)

So from here, papaano mo/ninyo masasabi na mas maganda or pareho lang ang vintage sa modern amp?  NO BASIS, kuwentong Barbero 'yan. ;D

Sa usapin ng tube & SS/Receiver, isang tinitingnan ng mga audiophiles & audio experts ay iyong Higher Voltage Drive ng tube amps for wattage versus ng SS in Current Flow.  A watt isn't necessarily a watt -  and not all watts are created equal....Remember the formular for watts? Watts = Volts x Amps.  So watts is the product of voltage and current. If an SS amp makes watts by increasing the current,  but tubes create watts by increasing the voltage more , you're going to get a different end result - because there's a different proportion of the components. Mathematical equations don't take into account the real world variables. 8)  Uulitin ko, hindi puwedeng magkapareho ang output drive ng Tube sa SS/Receivers.


"However, overtime I began to realized that even though the sound of my system with the QUAD 405 (SS) was the same as it ever had been, the MAGIC WAS GONE.  Listening to my records began to play a smaller role in my life-until I replaced the 405 with an M&A tube amplifier two years later.

I was having to work harder to appreciate my music through amplifier, and it was this cognitive dissonance that triggered tipping point at which I changed from a hardline OBJECTIVIST into someone who recognized the value in listening"
- John Atkinson
(Stereophile Magazine July 2005)
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: bumblebee on Jun 23, 2006 at 09:37 PM
Using your analogy, a kg of iron is actually heavier than a kg of cotton?
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: Signal2Noise on Jun 23, 2006 at 10:05 PM
Using your analogy, a kg of iron is actually heavier than a kg of cotton?

Yup....Try mo ipalo sa ulo mo iyong isang kilong bulak, para ka lang hinampas ng isang unan.  Pero try mong ipalo iyong isang kilong bara ng bakal sa ulo mo, poklat & 4-6 stitches you will gonna have, baka groggy ka pa sa mag-hapon.  Again, we are talking here Kgs = Kgs...Weight is Weight.  So siguro another from here, one can differentiate Tube Power versus SS/Receiver Power. 8)

"Kung minsan mas mahirap intindihin ang mga simpleng bagay at paliwanag"....Mang Kepweng ;D ;D

(This thread reminds me of my WiredState years... 8))
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: Trauma on Jun 23, 2006 at 10:51 PM
weight is not rigidity.

bigat ay hindi tigas.

para makasugat at makasakit hindi mo kelangan ng bigat. Isang matigas na bato kahit maliit masakit kung tumama.

pag answer sa analogy ay "yup" , yupi yupi na siguro yung yero sa bubong.

Peace Man.
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: Signal2Noise on Jun 24, 2006 at 04:50 AM
weight is not rigidity.

bigat ay hindi tigas.

para makasugat at makasakit hindi mo kelangan ng bigat. Isang matigas na bato kahit maliit masakit kung tumama.

pag answer sa analogy ay "yup" , yupi yupi na siguro yung yero sa bubong.

Peace Man.

Man you take my analogy very literal....even if you compressed a 1kg cotton to a certain point that it will become hard enough to hurt a person.  Still the difference it will make is not the same as with 1kg of iron/metal.  What do I mean about these, the IMPACT and EFFECT.  The same with if you ferment both 1Kg of California Grapes and Tong Shing Wa Grapes (take note both 1kg) and processed it using different method for each.  You will gonna have TWO different kinds of wine with different levels of intoxication.  Parehong 1kgs pero maaaring iyong isa ay 40% (80proof) at iyong isa 45% (90proof) alcohol content.  Kung iyong identical twins nga ay iisang semilla ang pinanggalingan, iisang magulang eh still hindi pa rin magka-pareho in so many things, 'yon pa kayang products with different designs and technology being applied to it.  Fine Watt is Watt, pero hindi ito magiging the same lalo't magkaiba ang ginamit na internal components at iba rin ang power source nito.  I don't want to become too technical about this thread, because others might not get what we are posting here, kaya ko dinadaan sa mga actual and concrete examples from real world condition and events we frequently encountered in our lives.  8)

Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: Signal2Noise on Jun 24, 2006 at 05:54 AM
There are quite a number of integrated I've seen with db markings around their volume knobs.  But they're not entirely accurate.  You might be referring to some esoteric preamps with no markings on the volume control.

 

Just for your info, there are also integrateds with digital processing, mostly from Yamaha, Denon, Krell and Soundfire, to mention those that I've seen.  If you visit the pier there are many old PROLOGIC integrateds from Kenwood, Technics, and Yamaha.  

That's why I said, most not all.  But those MOST  especially the better ones doesn't have dB indicator. 8)


I would like to think that a good playback system would be transparent as to whether you have an analog or a digital system.  But in the early days of CD, digital sound can be differentiated with analog sound.  There are still distinctions.  Between a CD and an LP, you can clearly distinguish most of the time.  One is clinically clean and bandpassed no lower than 20hz, the other has tics and pops and infrasonics below 20hz.  ;D

About the only analog sound there is is what comes into the microphones in the recording stage and what goes into power amps in the playback stage (but if using digital power amps, the reconstitution to analog happens at the final amp stage.)  The de facto processing these days are in the digital domain.  Most mixing consoles are already digital and output to a CPU for master processing in the 96/24 or 1-bit DSD formats.  Even the guitar and bass amps of most rock stars use class D amps, not to mention the Roland and yamaha syntesizers which go into the processing console via USB.  We are in the digital age.  ;D

You're correct we are in a digital world....BUT I 'am talking about sound and you are mentioning digital processing & compression.  That's why we have DACs or D/A...Digital to Analog Converter.  Loudspeakers don't output 1s & 0s (binary) as what in those optical discs.   It's a wave form push & pull-volume amplitude.

Meron bang nag-record immediately using CDs or DVD, di ba sa mga recording studios lahat 'yan nasa reels muna before processing it and stored in optical medias.  That's why we have AAD, ADD later na lang nire-remaster but in the end we still need & used DAC or D/A to convert those compression before going out to our loudspeakers.  Hindi naman nagpo-produced ng binary code (1 & 0) ang loudspeakers para magkaroon tayo ng digital sound?  Do you know a brand at baka magustuhan at mabili ko?  YES digital sound system and digital compression/medias, BUT there's no such thing as digital sound.  Lahat ito ay magiging analog in nature paglabas sa loudspeakers kase wala namang DSP or (Dig-to-Dig) processor sa loob ng enclosures, marketing hype lang iyong digital sound lalo't sa mga Jap-Signatures.  Try to put a DSP sa loudspeakers and removed the DACs from your player or receiver, tingnan natin kung anong mangyayari sa tunog...Baka puro beep lang tulad sa mga digital equipments/analyzers. Kase walang nag-convert sa compressed data mula doon sa digital media.  Walang iniwan ito sa zipped file sa computer, can you read the data on a zipped file?  It's a BIG NO & NO, so you need to decrypt it first para ma-decompressed iyong file bago mo maintindihan iyong data sa loob nito...Bro ganoon lang kasimple 'yon.
8)

Volume position is not accurate basis for comparison.  Some integrateds are already maxed at 11 o'clock and anything beyond that you go into severe clipping already.  While others can be pushed to 3 o"clock and still sound cleanly.  

Depende sa loudspeakers na gamit, of course kahit sabihin natin flagship receivers pa 'yan, kabitan ko ng low sensitivity loudspeakers.  Magdi-display iyong PEAK indicator nito lalo't pag hindi kaya ng loudspeakers iyong GAIN ng receivers at eventually it's either mag-distort or mag-clipped iyong sistema mo. 8)

I inherited some Dynaco and Luxman tubes from my dad in the early 80s and promptly disposed of them later that decade.  It is not so much because SS sounded better.  Actually, the tubes had better vocal body.  But when I learned they have oodles of even-ordered harmonic distortions that colored their sound to make them euphonic, and that good SS designs have so little THDs even at max settings, I promptly disposed of them.  I am more into High Fidelity than Euphony.  I just can't listen comfortably knowing in the back of my head that I am listening to distorted signals, no matter how pleasant sounding.  But that's just me, ofcourse.

Notion ko rin 'yan before, I am very proud of my Marantz gear kase 0.4% THD @ +/-3dB.  I always looked into the THD thing kase gusto ko crystal clear sound even in low volumes....I am RIGHT with it.  But later on, na-realized ko na...Do I feel HAPPY about it?  When I was in the Mid-East, I came acrossed to auditioned Audio Research & Pathos Logos tube amps and even McIntosh Power Blocks, Jolida Tube Stuff here in the Philippines and ProLogue (Primaluna) & Manley tubes during in Hongkong.  Not-to-mentioned iyong Williamson Tube Amp na laging kinukuwento ng erpat ko during his prime.  One time me & my oldman went to an audio shop somewhere here in the metropolis, upon auditioning some SS products he then told me na "kung buhay pa sana iyong Williamson na inassembled ko noon, kayang makipag-sabayan diyan sa mga bagong labas".  From my frequent auditioning, I realized that being RIGHT is different from being HAPPY which my oldman used to tell me during our discussion while having our nightly session of on the rocks. 8)
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: oweidah on Jun 24, 2006 at 06:12 AM

wana share on another "touchy" issue?

d2 ==> http://pinoydvd.com/board/index.php?topic=41073.40

as to choosing a receiver,eto sakin lang
* let my ears decide  ;D
* budget / cost
* specs & features
* i also read reviews (user, editorial or company sponsored rahrah reviews)
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: Signal2Noise on Jun 24, 2006 at 06:28 AM
wana share on another "touchy" issue?

d2 ==> http://pinoydvd.com/board/index.php?topic=41073.40

as to choosing a receiver,eto sakin lang
* let my ears decide  ;D
* budget / cost
* specs & features
* i also read reviews (user, editorial or company sponsored rahrah reviews)

Aiwa sadik, mumtaz!.....You're absolutely correct and I have no argument diyan sa posting mo.  Include also lab test results sa
product na gusto mong bilihin lalo't kung dumaan ito sa signal generator at oscilloscope (Square Wave Test). 
Dito mo makikita kung tama iyong frequency response na nakalagay sa specs nito...."Masfudt"!

Mah Salam
8)
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: john5479 on Jun 24, 2006 at 07:00 AM
preference, preference ::) sometimes even if the statement is objective one will find fault in it ::)  any amp when driven to its limits will clip, its how you work within is limits thats the key here. its that simple.

its easy to find fault if you prefer one thing over the other. but the key thing is to respect each other's preference.

Back to the topic, this receiver should be able to take on difficult to drive speakers  8) http://www.sunfire.com/ultimatereceiver_II.html. I heard the previous model driving a set of dynaudio focus speakers. But its pretty spendy 8)
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: oweidah on Jun 24, 2006 at 07:03 AM
Aiwa sadik, mumtaz!.....You're absolutely correct and I have no argument diyan sa posting mo.  Include also lab test results sa
product na gusto mong bilihin lalo't kung dumaan ito sa signal generator at oscilloscope (Square Wave Test). 
Dito mo makikita kung tama iyong frequency response na nakalagay sa specs nito...."Masfudt"!

Mah Salam
8)

alhamdullilah! praise the lord!

sensia na di ako bihasa interpret lab results, cant relate much but for those who are in the know, this is indeed very useful.

i just try to simplify things esp. for newbies na pinagdaanan ko din a few years back ;D baka instead of being encouraged eh ma-intimidate akalain dami naman kailangang malamang technical para ma-enjoy ang hobby na ito. eh sa totoo lang, ilan sa atin dito ang talagang nabasa /binasa ang buong user manual ng audio/video receiver? eto ang dapat gawin ng mga newbies esp sa first owned gears nila. later on pag bihasa na sa pasikot-sikot ng mga connections at pindot functions ng remote control, use the owners manual as reference na lang.

for newbies things dont stop when you have purchased what you believe or hope to be the receiver. the tricky part is system matching it with the rest of  your gears- speakers & source (cd/dvd), using your preferred interconnects (be it analog or digital) and speaker wires. the aim is to achieve system synergy, kumbaga sa basketball teamwork, chemistry ng mga players. its not uncommon to hear- bakit ang panget ng tunog eh puro five-star award-winners ang binili ko?


yes john5479...its also all about preference & most impt. *r e s p e c t* ;D
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: av_phile1 on Jun 24, 2006 at 01:23 PM
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Meron bang nag-record immediately using CDs or DVD, di ba sa mga recording studios lahat 'yan nasa reels muna before processing it and stored in optical medias.  That's why we have AAD, ADD later na lang nire-remaster but in the end we still need & used DAC or D/A to convert those compression before going out to our loudspeakers. 


You're obviously not as informed as I thought you were.  AAD and ADD were acronyms used in the early years of CD because we are talking of masters in the large open reel format previously recorded in analog and released in LP.  So some transciption and remastering  to digital is needed to have a CD master.  That's when AAD and ADD comes in.  If you read my post more closely, I said most modern studio and live recording these days are entirely in the digital domain. The masters are in open reel Digital tape in 96/24 or 1-bit DSD format.  The synthesizers and guitar/bass amps are mixed in digital consoles, processed. compressed and mastered in PCs all in the digital domain.  The only thing analog there is mostly the vocals  before getting into the mic. Admittedly, there are still a few esoteric studios recording in analog and stored entirely in large format nalog open reels.   

Quote
BUT there's no such thing as digital sound.  Lahat ito ay magiging analog in nature paglabas sa loudspeakers kase wala namang DSP or (Dig-to-Dig) processor sa loob ng enclosures, marketing hype lang iyong digital sound lalo't sa mga Jap-Signatures.


I see what you mean.  Ofcourse, you won't hear any musicality in digits.  But you obviously did not see my point.  Audiophiles can distinguish between digital sound as sound coming from a digital source, digitally processed and whose anlog waveforms ae recovered/reconstituted prior to amplification.  As opposed to analog sound coming from an analog source without any digital processing in its path.  In that context there is such as thing as digital sound.   

But just in case you haven't heard, try listening to a burst of a DTS wave file without DTS decoding from a DTS-CD on your CD player or PC player.   And you can hear how digital sound sounds like.  It exists.  It's called digital noise.   ;D
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: hattori_hanzo on Jun 24, 2006 at 01:59 PM
sir ahobbit, sir bumblebee...

isa lang ibig sabihin ni signal2noise, "your information are irrelevant, and he is matalino, lahat ng alam nyo mali, siya tama, kaya purihin nyo siya!!! imotep! imotep!" hahaha! (joke lang po walang pikunan, and pikon talo).... ;D ;D ;D


s2n,

your combining your analogy with physics which is completely 2 different areas. (motion vs. energy)

Your analogy is a comparison between two things that are similar in some respects, often used to help explain something or make it easier to understand. like SS vs. tube... watt is watt = watt. (energy)

And your harley davidson vs. suzuki, corvette vs. ferrari (force and motion) and your 1kg metal is heavier than 1kg cotton (which is matter) and if you use it to wham! your head (is force and motion) again is two different areas (matter vs. force and motion) again completely mixing up analogy with different areas of physics, this will create confussion and debates...

bro medyo OT na kasi yung mga analogy mo, were just talking here of power = power, SS vs. tube...

Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: Voltraizer on Jun 24, 2006 at 02:40 PM
sir ahobbit, sir bumblebee...

isa lang ibig sabihin ni signal2noise, "mga BOBO kayo, siya matalino, lahat ng alam nyo mali, siya tama, kaya purihin nyo siya!!! imotep! imotep!" hahaha! (joke lang po walang pikunan, and pikon talo).... ;D ;D ;D


s2n,

your combining your analogy with physics which is completely 2 different areas. (motion vs. energy)

Your analogy is a comparison between two things that are similar in some respects, often used to help explain something or make it easier to understand. like SS vs. tube... watt is watt = watt. (energy)

And your harley davidson vs. suzuki, corvette vs. ferrari (force and motion) and your 1kg metal is heavier than 1kg cotton (which is matter) and if you use it to wham! your head (is force and motion) again is two different areas (matter vs. force and motion) again completely mixing up analogy with different areas of physics, this will create confussion and debates...

bro medyo OT na kasi yung mga analogy mo, were just talking here of power = power, SS vs. tube...



Hanns, Ingat ka naman....sa sinasabi mo.  Avoid using words like BOBO!!! masyadong offensive yan word na yan kahit sabihin mong joke lang.. 8) Mainit na nga yun discussion ha wag  mo nang sulsulan!!!! but this is a healthy exchange of ideas. Iba , iba lang ang manner of presentation. Buti nga meron ganitong discussion coming from those who really give their honest-to-goodness opinion on the topic being discussed. It is up to the reader to analyze what is written and form their own conclusions. Better reconcile their ideas kung meron meeting point iyan. If not, respect to ones's idea lang naman ang kailangan. S2N medyo hinay hinay naman sa style mo. Your manner of presentation, konting ingat din para walang misinterpretation.  Maybe , hanns is justified with his reaction .Perhaps an apology ke bumblebee ,ahhobit, avphille and others from S2N would be proper.  8)  Kahit by PM lang.....
Maliit lang ang audiophile community, iwasan natin ang insultuhan at bangayan. But in the heat of the discusiion some remarks pwede naman itolerate kung yun point of argument is emphasized. That's part of "freedom of speech" basta walang murahan and "foul remark".

Have a nice weekend!!! :D

Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: Signal2Noise on Jun 24, 2006 at 04:00 PM
sir ahobbit, sir bumblebee...

isa lang ibig sabihin ni signal2noise, "mga BOBO kayo, siya matalino, lahat ng alam nyo mali, siya tama, kaya purihin nyo siya!!! imotep! imotep!" hahaha! (joke lang po walang pikunan, and pikon talo).... ;D ;D ;D


s2n,

your combining your analogy with physics which is completely 2 different areas. (motion vs. energy)

Your analogy is a comparison between two things that are similar in some respects, often used to help explain something or make it easier to understand. like SS vs. tube... watt is watt = watt. (energy)

And your harley davidson vs. suzuki, corvette vs. ferrari (force and motion) and your 1kg metal is heavier than 1kg cotton (which is matter) and if you use it to wham! your head (is force and motion) again is two different areas (matter vs. force and motion) again completely mixing up analogy with different areas of physics, this will create confussion and debates...

bro medyo OT na kasi yung mga analogy mo, were just talking here of power = power, SS vs. tube...



Bro, don't mean to offend somebody here.  Your opinion on my analogies are actually inaccurate, medyo kase iba lang ang naging interpretation mo.  May explanations ako para doon but I as I have said, I will no longer argue.  To aHobbit, AV-Phile1 and Bumblebee, I already sent you a PM, just read it if you got time.

Thread like this is somewhere that you either blink or link.  It depends on the individual that will going to adopt.

On your part, opinion mo 'yan, whether joke or you want to ignite a flame rather than extinguished, it's up to you.

Those posts from all of you, I considered it as an input, whether from an audio master or a newbie it has grounds.  Kahit nakikipag-debate ako sa kahit na kanino, I take note of the ideas ng ka-debate ko kase in the end, it might be informative. 

So it's up to you....

"Thanks Volt for the post"

Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: hattori_hanzo on Jun 24, 2006 at 06:52 PM
Bro, don't mean to offend somebody here.  Your opinion on my analogies are actually inaccurate, medyo kase iba lang ang naging interpretation mo.  May explanations ako para doon but I as I have said, I will no longer argue.  To aHobbit, AV-Phile1 and Bumblebee, I already sent you a PM, just read it if you got time.

Thread like this is somewhere that you either blink or link.  It depends on the individual that will going to adopt.

On your part, opinion mo 'yan, whether joke or you want to ignite a flame rather than extinguished, it's up to you.

Those posts from all of you, I considered it as an input, whether from an audio master or a newbie it has grounds.  Kahit nakikipag-debate ako sa kahit na kanino, I take note of the ideas ng ka-debate ko kase in the end, it might be informative. 

So it's up to you....

"Thanks Volt for the post"



bro dun sa mga example analogy mo kasi, particularly yung 300/m/hr ferrari vs 300/m/hr corvette mo. your comparing this to a ss amp power  vs. tube power right? your citing bakit parehas naman sila ng rated speed pero bakit natalo ng ferrari yun vette? just like according to you, mas powerful ang 100wpc tube amp vs. 100wpc SS amp, right? youl find not only the torque, but hindi mo ba na notice yung build ng both cars? yung weight, aerodyamics, yung 0-60 rates? yung kind of engine (eg. V12 or V6) and their mounting (eg. midmount or front mount)? ano ba inaapply mong law? law of motion/force of both cars or law of energy that they produce? hindi kasi applicable yung examples mo for ss amp vs tubes using this law of motion eh. pede pa energy that these both cars are producing?

about dun naman sa harley davidson mo vs. suzuki? you are citing a drag race right? maaring manalo ang harley why? havent you notice how harley's are built? and they are fitted with a tuned touring V engines (some touring class are powed by 88B's engine) that has a strong torque but at lower RPM's? try mo paglabanin ang suzuki vs. harleys on a circuit race,  baka walang binatbat yang harley mo? why? suzuki are more aerodynamic than harleys and not only that, its more lighter and has a higher RPM's than harley's. by that suzuki's would perform much better on corners speed. pag dating sa circuit race, so again law of motion na naman ang inaapply mo. bro kung tama ang application of laws mo maaring katanggap tanggap pa. kaya lang your mixing your analogy with different storkes of physics...

like for example, one member cited na...

from sir bumblebee:
"Using your analogy, a kg of iron is actually heavier than a kg of cotton?

your answer:

from signal2noise:
"Yup....Try mo ipalo sa ulo mo iyong isang kilong bulak, para ka lang hinampas ng isang unan.  Pero try mong ipalo iyong isang kilong bara ng bakal sa ulo mo, poklat & 4-6 stitches you will gonna have, baka groggy ka pa sa mag-hapon.  Again, we are talking here Kgs = Kgs...Weight is Weight.  So siguro another from here, one can differentiate Tube Power versus SS/Receiver Power.

"Kung minsan mas mahirap intindihin ang mga simpleng bagay at paliwanag"....Mang Kepweng 

(This thread reminds me of my WiredState years... )"


bro s2n, what laws of physics are you applying ba? laws of matter (cotton and iron) or laws of energy and motion/force (yung pag palo mo sa ulo, yung velocity, speed etc.)?

meyo OT na bro ang orig area lang naman eh...

kelan naging mas malakas ang 30-50 watts tube amp kaysa sa a thousand dollar mark 100wpc AVR...

goin back:
watt is watt = watt

 
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: Signal2Noise on Jun 25, 2006 at 01:11 AM
bro dun sa mga example analogy mo kasi, particularly yung 300/m/hr ferrari vs 300/m/hr corvette mo. your comparing this to a ss amp power  vs. tube power right? your citing bakit parehas naman sila ng rated speed pero bakit natalo ng ferrari yun vette? just like according to you, mas powerful ang 100wpc tube amp vs. 100wpc SS amp, right? youl find not only the torque, but hindi mo ba na notice yung build ng both cars? yung weight, aerodyamics, yung 0-60 rates? yung kind of engine (eg. V12 or V6) and their mounting (eg. midmount or front mount)? ano ba inaapply mong law? law of motion/force of both cars or law of energy that they produce? hindi kasi applicable yung examples mo for ss amp vs tubes using this law of motion eh. pede pa energy that these both cars are producing?

about dun naman sa harley davidson mo vs. suzuki? you are citing a drag race right? maaring manalo ang harley why? havent you notice how harley's are built? and they are fitted with a tuned touring V engines (some touring class are powed by 88B's engine) that has a strong torque but at lower RPM's? try mo paglabanin ang suzuki vs. harleys on a circuit race,  baka walang binatbat yang harley mo? why? suzuki are more aerodynamic than harleys and not only that, its more lighter and has a higher RPM's than harley's. by that suzuki's would perform much better on corners speed. pag dating sa circuit race, so again law of motion na naman ang inaapply mo. bro kung tama ang application of laws mo maaring katanggap tanggap pa. kaya lang your mixing your analogy with different storkes of physics...

like for example, one member cited na...

from sir bumblebee:
"Using your analogy, a kg of iron is actually heavier than a kg of cotton?

your answer:

from signal2noise:
"Yup....Try mo ipalo sa ulo mo iyong isang kilong bulak, para ka lang hinampas ng isang unan.  Pero try mong ipalo iyong isang kilong bara ng bakal sa ulo mo, poklat & 4-6 stitches you will gonna have, baka groggy ka pa sa mag-hapon.  Again, we are talking here Kgs = Kgs...Weight is Weight.  So siguro another from here, one can differentiate Tube Power versus SS/Receiver Power.

"Kung minsan mas mahirap intindihin ang mga simpleng bagay at paliwanag"....Mang Kepweng 

(This thread reminds me of my WiredState years... )"


bro s2n, what laws of physics are you applying ba? laws of matter (cotton and iron) or laws of energy and motion/force (yung pag palo mo sa ulo, yung velocity, speed etc.)?

meyo OT na bro ang orig area lang naman eh...

kelan naging mas malakas ang 30-50 watts tube amp kaysa sa a thousand dollar mark 100wpc AVR...

goin back:
watt is watt = watt

 

Bro, ang daming explantions but mine is simple.  Pinag-uusapan natin dito iyong POWER.  You mentioned too many things like circuits and other stuff.  You mentioned about law of motion and others.  Mind you, We're talking about simple things here...POWER and no other than POWER.  Whether it's a motion or volume amplitude..Ang example ko ay unit of measurement....No more no less.  Measurement in electro-kinetic power...Watts is Watt, Watts =Watt. Whatever it contributes to the variables, still doon tayo sa subject which is....UNIT OF MEASUREMENT...WATTS. (point of argument ko).   Kahit sa circuit pa natin paglabanin iyong Suzuki versus Harley kung BOBO naman iyong driver nung Suzuki....Do you think mananalo ito sa Harley?  The same thing din even if kung sa application will varies, say a $K  mark receiver kung may flaws sa design or setup, you will end up having a system that you yourself will not be very HAPPY and it will disapppoint.

Bro hindi naman mahirap intindihin iyong analogy ko, Watts, Power, Motion, Energy or whatever...Still ang subject matter natin na nabuksan ay unit of measurement (POWER).  Bakit magkaiba ba ang Watt is Watt sa Velocity is Velocity.  Law of Electronics ay Watt is Watt, whereas Law of Physics ay Velocity is = Velocity?

Nag-compared tayo ng tube amplifier (Ferrari/Harley) sa isang SS/Receiver (Corvette/Suzuki) in some other form which was POWER in Torque.  Mahirap ba intindihin 'yon?  Napaka-irrelevant naman kung isa-site kong example ang Ferrari or Harley using WATTS di ba?  Kaya ginamit ko iyong which is relevant and material...And that is POWER in Torque.  Harley running in 880Watts continuous @ 8 ohms, parang hindi yata tama at wala sa hulog di ba? 1kg of cotton  sa 1kg of iron...YES magkapareho ng weight pero magkaiba pa rin ng end-result depende sa application.

Watt = Watt in Law of Electronics...My analogy is Velocity = Velocity in Law of Physics.  Kung sasabihin mo na magkapareho ang Watts ay sasabihin ko din na magkapareho iyong Velocity sa Physics...'yon nga lang may exemption to the rule.  Kailan naging mas malakas ang Tube Power sa SS...Ito ba ang ttanong mo na hanggang ngayon ay hindi mo ma-comprehend...Sinagot ko na 'yan sa post ko, basahin mo lang maigi at maiintindihan mo....Mathematical equation sometimes doesn't account the real world condition, bakit kamo?  Iyong Math theorem & postulates, eh hindi naman completely derived sa actual & real world condition....Speaking of real world condition...The best basis is EXPERIENCE
. 8)

Bro don't push me to become too technical & complicated baka in the end ay sasabihin mo na techie ako. What I want is to make it as simple as ABC & 123 para magkaintindihan tayo.  Matuto ako sa iyo at may matutunan ka rin sa akin....Di ba mas masaya 'yon?  Thread is not for banging, but otherwise it's for gathering of informations and knowledge. 8)

Oyasumi nasai onii san.... 8)


 
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: hattori_hanzo on Jun 25, 2006 at 10:58 AM
Bro, ang daming explantions but mine is simple.  Pinag-uusapan natin dito iyong POWER.  You mentioned too many things like circuits and other stuff.  You mentioned about law of motion and others.  Mind you, We're talking about simple things here...POWER and no other than POWER.  Whether it's a motion or volume amplitude..Ang example ko ay unit of measurement....No more no less.  Measurement in electro-kinetic power...Watts is Watt, Watts =Watt. Whatever it contributes to the variables, still doon tayo sa subject which is....UNIT OF MEASUREMENT...WATTS. (point of argument ko).   Kahit sa circuit pa natin paglabanin iyong Suzuki versus Harley kung BOBO naman iyong driver nung Suzuki....Do you think mananalo ito sa Harley?  The same thing din even if kung sa application will varies, say a $K  mark receiver kung may flaws sa design or setup, you will end up having a system that you yourself will not be very HAPPY and it will disapppoint.

Bro hindi naman mahirap intindihin iyong analogy ko, Watts, Power, Motion, Energy or whatever...Still ang subject matter natin na nabuksan ay unit of measurement (POWER).  Bakit magkaiba ba ang Watt is Watt sa Velocity is Velocity.  Law of Electronics ay Watt is Watt, whereas Law of Physics ay Velocity is = Velocity?

Nag-compared tayo ng tube amplifier (Ferrari/Harley) sa isang SS/Receiver (Corvette/Suzuki) in some other form which was POWER in Torque.  Mahirap ba intindihin 'yon?  Napaka-irrelevant naman kung isa-site kong example ang Ferrari or Harley using WATTS di ba?  Kaya ginamit ko iyong which is relevant and material...And that is POWER in Torque.  Harley running in 880Watts continuous @ 8 ohms, parang hindi yata tama at wala sa hulog di ba? 1kg of cotton  sa 1kg of iron...YES magkapareho ng weight pero magkaiba pa rin ng end-result depende sa application.

Watt = Watt in Law of Electronics...My analogy is Velocity = Velocity in Law of Physics.  Kung sasabihin mo na magkapareho ang Watts ay sasabihin ko din na magkapareho iyong Velocity sa Physics...'yon nga lang may exemption to the rule.  Kailan naging mas malakas ang Tube Power sa SS...Ito ba ang ttanong mo na hanggang ngayon ay hindi mo ma-comprehend...Sinagot ko na 'yan sa post ko, basahin mo lang maigi at maiintindihan mo....Mathematical equation sometimes doesn't account the real world condition, bakit kamo?  Iyong Math theorem & postulates, eh hindi naman completely derived sa actual & real world condition....Speaking of real world condition...The best basis is EXPERIENCE
. 8)

Bro don't push me to become too technical & complicated baka in the end ay sasabihin mo na techie ako. What I want is to make it as simple as ABC & 123 para magkaintindihan tayo.  Matuto ako sa iyo at may matutunan ka rin sa akin....Di ba mas masaya 'yon?  Thread is not for banging, but otherwise it's for gathering of informations and knowledge. 8)

Oyasumi nasai onii san.... 8)



bro im just aswering your question:

"300miles/hr Ferrari  versus  300miles/hr Corvette.  Parehong 300miles/hr speed and will run in the same speedway.  Anong result?  Ferrari wins.  Ask me kung bakit eh pareho lang naman silang tumakbo ng 300miles/hr?  Ano sagot ko, eh kahit pareho nga sila ng speed/velocity @ 300 miles/hr eh kung mas mataas at mas malakas humatak (torque) nung Ferrari, siguradong mamumuraot iyong Corvette? "  

ive just explain why natalo ng ferrari yung corvette, hindi mo nga cited yung BHP ng bawat kotse and other technical details eh...

tapos dun sa analogy mo ang pinag uusapan yung speed diba? tapos ngayon your telling us, power naman ang sinasabi mo. ano ba talga ineemphasize mo, power or top speed? kasi dun sa given info mo sa mga kotse top speed lang ang binigay mo at yun ang basis of comparison mo (300m/hr) hindi yung generated power (BHP).

still kahit ang pag babasihan mo ay top speed lang on both cars, they will still run both 300m/hr, ke sino man ang mauna or mahuli. parang watts is watts = watts...

then sa harley vs suzuki mo, ang binigay ko explanation eh yung tamang application ng dalwang motorcycles, yung isa pang drag race (harley) at yung isa pag circuit race (suzuki), tapos sasagutin mo ako ng ganito:

 "Kahit sa circuit pa natin paglabanin iyong Suzuki versus Harley kung BOBO naman iyong driver nung Suzuki....Do you think mananalo ito sa Harley?"    

bro ngayon tanungin mo sarili mo kung tama yung basis of comparison mo? tama ba yung application mo on both motorcycles? parang sinabi mo na gagamit ako ng porsche turbo 911 at gagamitin kong pang bundok or mini radio cassete pang outdoor mobile party sound system, eh ayun kabobohan nga yun, logic lang bro...

tapos sa kg cotton vs. kg metal iron, ano bang ineemphasize mo? yung kind of matter nung dalwa or yung weight? kasi mali rin ang application mo. logic lang bro, kung gagamit ka ng cotton pang pukol sa ulo eh wala nga epekto yun, pero ang bakal meron. ang sinasabi lang naman namin dito eh yung weight ng bawat isa, hindi kung saan mo gagamitin...   

bro kahit maging techie kapa walang argument dun. I do have expiriences bro at hindi lang sa tube or hifi, kahit sa professional audio pa. you have your own definition of terms and I do have mine. thats how you put your analogy. comparing matters in a way to defy law of physics... bro if I were you mas okey to explain it using the area of "acoustics"...

so if harley and ferrari are your tube amps and corvette and suzuki's are your SS amp. what about T-amp's and class D amps where do you compare it?

again eto na naman ang question:

kelan naging mas powerful ang 30-50 watts tube amp sa thousand dollar mark 100Watts SS amp?  

going back, what Watts is Watts = Watts
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: oweidah on Jun 25, 2006 at 01:21 PM
again eto na naman ang question:

kelan naging mas powerful ang 30-50 watts tube amp sa thousand dollar mark 100Watts SS amp? 

going back, what Watts is Watts = Watts

hanns take it easy, baka di ka matunawan

mas powerful sa perception. 

30-50watt pushpull tube amp partnered with 104db living voice speaker or those highly sensitive and efficient vintage altec lansings jbls lowthers, even wilson watt speakers; pahabol- klipsch pa pala!


100 watt ss paired with 82db celestion sl600 or rogers ls 3/5a. ;D
http://www.thomas-schick.com/SL600.htm

many a time while reading audio magazines, i've encountered some amps (ss & tubes) that may not be that powerful in terms of watts but are perfect partners for hard to drive speakers.
latest (2002?) among them un audio research vs55 50wpc tube power amp that brought out the best from the sonus faber cremona. isa pa yang ls 3/5a na bulilit speakers whether rogers spendor wharfedale...hirap daw drive nyan pero comfy siya sa certain low powered tube amps. the nad 3020 circa79,80s, may nabasa ako user review na oks siya sa quad esl63. my nad3020 20wpc SS ('81) drove floorstanders - acoustic research 90 & my ar2ax (not that powerful nga lang pero maganda tumunog)

para sa akin, mas importante ang tumunog na maganda kesa sa malakas lang :)

wedr-wedr lang yan. its all about matching and synergy

then let your ears decide ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: Voltraizer on Jun 25, 2006 at 01:35 PM
Hanns .......papadala ko na yun ambulansya ;D ;D ;D ;D
Hinay ..hinay lang baka atakihin ka
There's some truth to what Owiedah has said.
Actual listening test, meron talagang diferensiya sa na peperceive ng tenga kung loudness ang pag-uusapan
and we are talking about dito tubes and solid state, aso't-pusa yan magkaiba tunog niyan......
You choice ..tubes or SS, it really doesn't matter.
Synergy or matching .... that what really matters at  as idol above said "Kung san ka masaya ,susuportahan kata".
To verify, magsession kayo ni S2N dala ka ng SS na specified mo sa tubes niya.
Kelangan me bote ng alak, at yun matalo siya ang unang iinum ng isang baso , sagot pati pulutan he he he ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: hattori_hanzo on Jun 25, 2006 at 06:38 PM
hehehe!

mga bro, ang hindi lang katanggap tanggap mathematically speaking, eh paano naging much powerful ang 30-50 watts tube kaysa sa 100watts SS amp. minus the THD's and speakers driving sensitivities ah?. a watt is still a watt...

pero kung interms of sonic's, euphonics, pseudo acoustic at hearing expiriences, eh maaring mag mukhang nga mas malakas ang tube kaysa sa ss amp. dahil sa proper matching ng speakers (high sensitivity), amp (high current capable) and other audio gears (eg. SACD, HDCD, TT etc.) like what sir oweidah example...

"mas powerful sa perception. 

30-50watt pushpull tube amp partnered with 104db living voice speaker or those highly sensitive and efficient vintage altec lansings jbls lowthers, even wilson watt speakers"


at least sir oweidah's analogy is acceptable...alam niya kung saan yung tama application of matter...

30-50watts pushpull tube amp + high sensitive speakers = pseudo acoustically louder than a 100watts ss amp.

cause and effect...

hindi yung gagamit ka ng 450BHP V12 italian car 300m/hr vs. 350BHP V8 american car 300m/hr = ??? logically speaking, alam naman natin kung sino mananalo, pero still both cars will run 300m/hr regardless kung sino ang mauuna or mahuhuli.

or

on a "drag race strip", a "drag race bike" vs. a "japanese circuit race bike" plus a "bobo driver" = ??? again logical at alam din natin kung sino ang mananalo diba? pero try running both bikes on their proper racing fields with the same level of motorcycles with same purpose of race design plus a both good drivers, that will be a challenge...   



analogies with wrong application can be quite confusing you know...

kaya mga brother cool lang ako eh hehehe!

 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: aHobbit on Jun 26, 2006 at 11:49 AM
aHobbit,

Iyong basis mo ay purely "by the book", old notion of learning na ito.  Go and explore, research and evolved so that you will know what's written in the book and what are those actually happening....Ano ba ang ibig kong sabihin dito?

 I'll give you a simple analogy (Watt is Watt, Watt = Watt).......Miles/Hr = Miles/hr...OK ba?

300miles/hr Ferrari  versus  300miles/hr Corvette.  Parehong 300miles/hr speed and will run in the same speedway.  Anong result?  Ferrari wins.  Ask me kung bakit eh pareho lang naman silang tumakbo ng 300miles/hr?  Ano sagot ko, eh kahit pareho nga sila ng speed/velocity @ 300 miles/hr eh kung mas mataas at mas malakas humatak (torque) nung Ferrari, siguradong mamumuraot iyong Corvette? 

Another concrete analogy with regards to variable comparison (50W/ch tube versus 80W/ch SS or Receiver)....1000cc Suzuki Big Bike versus  880cc Harley Davidson Iron Horse.  When I was in the Mid-East, nakipag-pustahan iyong utol ko sa isang Arabo ng Drag Race.  The Arab used Suzuki SV1000 Naked Big Bike while my bro used his Harley Davidson 880 Custom-Built Sportster.  The same as what happened to Corvette, namuraot iyong Suzuki nung Arabo at halos tumagas iyong engine oil nito.  As a proof, you can view the Winning Iron Horse,  naka-display sa garden ng bahay namin dito sa Malate.

Again, ang pinag-uusapan natin dito ay POWER....8)

Anong relation nito doon sa Watt=Watt or Watt is Watt?  Ngayon masasagot at maiintindihan mo na iyong argumento ko, pag ito hindi mo pa naintindihan ewan ko na lang...Uulitin ko, Miles/hr = Miles/hr  or Velocity is Velocity.  Pareho 'yan kahit saan Physics Book mo tingnan pero may exemption to the rule. 8)

Did I read from here na those Vintage Amp may sound the same or mas maganda pa sa mga new series amplifiers?  Sabi ni aHobbit, iyong claims ko walang technical basis.  You asked for it, iyong mga electronic components na ginamit sa mga Vintage Amps ay 20% tolerance-ibig sabihin -20 accuracy with reference to zero (0).  Iyong mga electronic components na gamit ngayon ng modern amps ay at most 5 to 1% tolerance....Ibig sabihin -5 to -1% accuracy (near zero).  Iyong current na dumadaloy ay dito ay almost perfect.  Ang color code nito ay GOLD (5-1%), tulad ng ginamit sa mga multi-meter testers for accuracy.  And Silver (10%)..etc.  Siguro alam mo ibig kong sabihin? Hindi galing sa internet ito, napag-aralan at natutunan lang po. 8)

So from here, papaano mo/ninyo masasabi na mas maganda or pareho lang ang vintage sa modern amp?  NO BASIS, kuwentong Barbero 'yan. ;D

Sa usapin ng tube & SS/Receiver, isang tinitingnan ng mga audiophiles & audio experts ay iyong Higher Voltage Drive ng tube amps for wattage versus ng SS in Current Flow.  A watt isn't necessarily a watt -  and not all watts are created equal....Remember the formular for watts? Watts = Volts x Amps.  So watts is the product of voltage and current. If an SS amp makes watts by increasing the current,  but tubes create watts by increasing the voltage more , you're going to get a different end result - because there's a different proportion of the components. Mathematical equations don't take into account the real world variables. 8)  Uulitin ko, hindi puwedeng magkapareho ang output drive ng Tube sa SS/Receivers.


"However, overtime I began to realized that even though the sound of my system with the QUAD 405 (SS) was the same as it ever had been, the MAGIC WAS GONE.  Listening to my records began to play a smaller role in my life-until I replaced the 405 with an M&A tube amplifier two years later.

I was having to work harder to appreciate my music through amplifier, and it was this cognitive dissonance that triggered tipping point at which I changed from a hardline OBJECTIVIST into someone who recognized the value in listening"
- John Atkinson
(Stereophile Magazine July 2005)

Nagbatuhan na pala!  ;D  ;D

Ako lang ang binato, iba ang mga gumanti ... ala frats???

My basis is purely by the book ... because you are talking technicals...
Your basis is purely subjective ... because you are talking about your impressions ...

Regarding your sportscar analogy, like amps, has different parameter specs that you should look at.
  not only speed, but the acceleration (your term is hatak) capability of the car - they can run at the same speed alright, but they will not be able to attain that same speed at the same time because they may have different acceleration capability.

a 1W amp is the same with another 1W amp - but they may differ in slew rate, loading capability, headroom dynamics, etc.

to use 'mas maganda' in a wholesale manner is a vague adjective and can be taken subjectively - mas maganda in what manner? At this point, there is no technical reference to speak of.

I dont know how many will understand how amps' component are being selected - but will touch a few here. Mathematically, for example, the value of a resistor is computed. After it is computed, engineers will refer to the table of standard values, then select the nearest value. It is not exact, coupled this with tolerance, coupled this with resistor behavior as temperature changes. We are dealing with physical things which are not in an ideal world, so compromises exist - much much more in an audio amps.

It does not matter if 1 amp uses 1%  tolerance components if it can not deliver the goods - and component tolerance I do not need to know just to determine which sounds good on what. Much part of this are just marketing hyping to let you release your hold of your money. Even same model and brand of amp are not exactly the same!

I could wish I can describe in details how your tube works. It has high voltage in the tube side, because it has low current capability, so it can muster the precious watt (e.g. 1000V x .001A = 1W). So logically, since it is limited in its current capability, you need to increase voltage if you want more power! Your meralco transmit KV of voltage long distance at minimal current - so you can use it at 220Volts at home with big currents. Likewise, your tube send its high voltage amplification output to your audio (not power) transformer, convert your high voltage (low-current) into high current source (low voltage) which your speakers can tolerate. This is no different from your adaptors. It sucks only about .1amp at 240V (240V x .1A = 24W) from your wall outlet, then deliver your 2amps current at 12volts (2A x 12V = 24W). Transistors just do it differently, do away with those heavy output trannies - which affects slew rate, attack etc and present an inductive load to the HF, and a resistor to the LF - by using the right voltage appropriate for the speakers and deliver the current based on power-rating design.

I have high regards for specs - provided it is accurate and make sense. But I dont have a notion that good-specd receiver will always sound good on my choices of speakers and sources - thus, I also value listening in a subjective manner. You can choose to be at either extremes - just specs or just subjectivism - Both are disadvantageous to your pockets  ;D  ;D  ;D.





Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: MAtZTER on Jun 26, 2006 at 03:57 PM
This is not directed at anyone in particular, but with all due respect guys. Arent we deviating from the "Choosing a receiver" thread?

Its sounds more like a SS vs tube debate. Can we stick to the topic for the sake of those other members who are reading this thread and looking for infor re:"Choosing a receiver"?


Peace bros. /hug  ;D
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: hattori_hanzo on Jun 26, 2006 at 04:13 PM
To verify, magsession kayo ni S2N dala ka ng SS na specified mo sa tubes niya.
Kelangan me bote ng alak, at yun matalo siya ang unang iinum ng isang baso , sagot pati pulutan he he he ;D ;D ;D

hehehe!

kung verify lang about dun sa 30-50w tube vs. 100w SS amp, etong gears lang ang imatch ko:

QSC - Audio 2ch amp. MX700 or HT 2ch amp. DCA1222 power amp.
Cerwinvega! AT-15 or E-715.
peavey 16 band GEQ.
kinetic pre amp (local brand care of phasetron)
technics SL1200 or alchemy cd player

yan lang, oks na ako dyan...  ;D ;D ;D   
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: oweidah on Jun 26, 2006 at 05:43 PM
This is not directed at anyone in particular, but with all due respect guys. Arent we deviating from the "Choosing a receiver" thread?

Its sounds more like a SS vs tube debate. Can we stick to the topic for the sake of those other members who are reading this thread and looking for infor re:"Choosing a receiver"?


Peace bros. /hug  ;D

agree !

 ;D
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: aHobbit on Jun 26, 2006 at 06:04 PM
This is not directed at anyone in particular, but with all due respect guys. Arent we deviating from the "Choosing a receiver" thread?

Its sounds more like a SS vs tube debate. Can we stick to the topic for the sake of those other members who are reading this thread and looking for infor re:"Choosing a receiver"?


Peace bros. /hug  ;D

I think we are not debating whether SS or tube is whatever. Most probably, we are trying to correct differentiation of what is technical in selecting a receiver and what is subjective - also, in my own terms, to explain in layman terms some of the off-technicalities attributed to either SS or tube. The mention of slew rate, inductor in the signal path is not analogous to it being worse or better than SS - it was there to site differences of rather than ill-effects which I think is still subjective in nature in terms of acceptability.
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: Voltraizer on Jun 26, 2006 at 07:08 PM
This is not directed at anyone in particular, but with all due respect guys. Arent we deviating from the "Choosing a receiver" thread?

Its sounds more like a SS vs tube debate. Can we stick to the topic for the sake of those other members who are reading this thread and looking for infor re:"Choosing a receiver"?


Peace bros. /hug  ;D
The topic is "Choosing a Receiver" and  there r two  possible recommendations to guide a consumer in choosing a receiver. Technical specifications or Listening Impressions.  Most consumer want a simplified
explanation and as much as possible avoid tehnicalities so an attempt was made to use analogies..
One  asked "I want  the receiver to be used mostly for music purposes".  Doon humaba..............
Hence , an alternative was given."two channel receiver against multi -channel receiver". Someone recommended: Why not an integrated amp? [either SS or tubes doesn't matter]. So , debates may occur naturally since there r many varied insights on the matter. But none of these are  off-topic- They are all-related. And these informations are there for you to accept, ignore or reject and form your own conclusions.
When you talk of  audio equipment, there's really a wide variety of choices besides brand depending on the objective of the one seeking the advise. Music or HT.? Pag  Receiver::Multi-channel or Stereo?. If  Stereo, Receiver or Integrated?: Tubes or SS. Kaya humaba....kasi MUSIC application na ang pinag-uusapan and you cannot just force one's choice sa RECEIVER lang...dahil ba yun topic eh "Choosing a Receiver".... .but the discussions were informative as much as entertaining .... Me batuhan at paluan pa!!!!!!! Ayaw mo ba ng fun and entertainment!!!!!!!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D Ha ha ha  8)

Hey S2N at Hanns, walang panama yan italian at american cars niyo ;,
Eh kung sabihin ko sa yo na ilalaban ko yun KIA PRIDE 1.3, let us assume na 91m/hr top speed ng sa akin, alam ko na matatalo yan  italian car or V8 american car niyo. Kasi :
1) He he he , pinasipsip ko yun gasolina nun italian car at wala pang isang litro ang natira sa tangke niyan.
2) Yun isa naman , pinalitan ko ng defective na baterya at hindi na kumakarga ng todo at yun mga gulong pinalambutan ko ng todo.halos flat na.
O sino ngayon ang powerful......
Sandali lang ang pinag-uusapan dito receiver. OT kayo...... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: hattori_hanzo on Jun 26, 2006 at 08:13 PM
Hey S2N at Hanns, walang panama yan italian at american cars niyo ;,
Eh kung sabihin ko sa yo na ilalaban ko yun KIA PRIDE 1.3, let us assume na 91m/hr top speed ng sa akin, alam ko na matatalo yan  italian car or V8 american car niyo. Kasi :
1) He he he , pinasipsip ko yun gasolina nun italian car at wala pang isang litro ang natira sa tangke niyan.
2) Yun isa naman , pinalitan ko ng defective na baterya at hindi na kumakarga ng todo at yun mga gulong pinalambutan ko ng todo.halos flat na.
O sino ngayon ang powerful......
Sandali lang ang pinag-uusapan dito receiver. OT kayo...... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Ha! nakalimutan mo may Harley Davidson pa ako harharhar!!! ;D ;D ;D uyyy Ot nah!!!!!

kung Tube amp eh ferrari at harley, SS amp corvette at suzuki..... T-amp at class D amp eh kia picanto kaso back to the future na ang dating hehehe!!! OOOOTTTTT nah!!!!! harharhar ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: oweidah on Jun 27, 2006 at 07:06 AM
awat na hatori_hanzo, baka bose na naman kauwian...;D
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: b0ss_sa_b0ss on Jun 27, 2006 at 09:56 AM
la la la la hehehehe yun lang. :P
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: ATJr. on Jun 27, 2006 at 10:09 AM
WOW!!! i have been following this thread  and i would say i was really entertained. ;D ;D ;D

but sorry to say, i have not read anything of substance, just mere opinions.....

but carry on, we all have a right to our opinions...
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: Dracula on Jun 27, 2006 at 02:31 PM
Will the current av receivers allow me to fully utilize blu-ray's claimed 7.1 audio codecs?
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: Signal2Noise on Jun 27, 2006 at 07:21 PM
bro im just aswering your question:

"300miles/hr Ferrari  versus  300miles/hr Corvette.  Parehong 300miles/hr speed and will run in the same speedway.  Anong result?  Ferrari wins.  Ask me kung bakit eh pareho lang naman silang tumakbo ng 300miles/hr?  Ano sagot ko, eh kahit pareho nga sila ng speed/velocity @ 300 miles/hr eh kung mas mataas at mas malakas humatak (torque) nung Ferrari, siguradong mamumuraot iyong Corvette? "  

ive just explain why natalo ng ferrari yung corvette, hindi mo nga cited yung BHP ng bawat kotse and other technical details eh...

tapos dun sa analogy mo ang pinag uusapan yung speed diba? tapos ngayon your telling us, power naman ang sinasabi mo. ano ba talga ineemphasize mo, power or top speed? kasi dun sa given info mo sa mga kotse top speed lang ang binigay mo at yun ang basis of comparison mo (300m/hr) hindi yung generated power (BHP).

still kahit ang pag babasihan mo ay top speed lang on both cars, they will still run both 300m/hr, ke sino man ang mauna or mahuli. parang watts is watts = watts...

then sa harley vs suzuki mo, ang binigay ko explanation eh yung tamang application ng dalwang motorcycles, yung isa pang drag race (harley) at yung isa pag circuit race (suzuki), tapos sasagutin mo ako ng ganito:

 "Kahit sa circuit pa natin paglabanin iyong Suzuki versus Harley kung BOBO naman iyong driver nung Suzuki....Do you think mananalo ito sa Harley?"    

bro ngayon tanungin mo sarili mo kung tama yung basis of comparison mo? tama ba yung application mo on both motorcycles? parang sinabi mo na gagamit ako ng porsche turbo 911 at gagamitin kong pang bundok or mini radio cassete pang outdoor mobile party sound system, eh ayun kabobohan nga yun, logic lang bro...

tapos sa kg cotton vs. kg metal iron, ano bang ineemphasize mo? yung kind of matter nung dalwa or yung weight? kasi mali rin ang application mo. logic lang bro, kung gagamit ka ng cotton pang pukol sa ulo eh wala nga epekto yun, pero ang bakal meron. ang sinasabi lang naman namin dito eh yung weight ng bawat isa, hindi kung saan mo gagamitin...   

bro kahit maging techie kapa walang argument dun. I do have expiriences bro at hindi lang sa tube or hifi, kahit sa professional audio pa. you have your own definition of terms and I do have mine. thats how you put your analogy. comparing matters in a way to defy law of physics... bro if I were you mas okey to explain it using the area of "acoustics"...

so if harley and ferrari are your tube amps and corvette and suzuki's are your SS amp. what about T-amp's and class D amps where do you compare it?

again eto na naman ang question:

kelan naging mas powerful ang 30-50 watts tube amp sa thousand dollar mark 100Watts SS amp?  

going back, what Watts is Watts = Watts

Bro, as I have said...You mentioned too many things:

First, if I compared two types of amplifiers....Generally speaking and of course granted lagi ang matching nito sa loudspeakers. Alam na nang lahat ang system matching.   Nobody will gonna buy certain gears na hindi match sa ibang components nito kase sayang ang pera.  Kaya iyong sinasabi mong pseudo acoustic effect, depende pa rin sa makikinig nito.  Not all individuals can perceived your claim kase sa mga audiophiles and audio experts ay hindi nila paniniwalaan iyong claim mo about pseudo acoustics.   ::)

If you say horse power, it is the product of a rotational speed & torque over the 5252 constant.  Speed attributes POWER?   So when I said POWER, it has relation doon sa speed analogy ko.  Puwede ba na magkaroon ng 300miles/hour velocity kung walang POWER, regardless of your hp thing, kaya nga TORQUE ang ginamit kong variable dahil hindi na in used ang term na BHP?  Again, you took my analogy very literal....In comparing two vehicles, regardless of designs….Doon tayo sa capability nito to drive.  Kahit sa BBC World, they even compared the simple looking Honda Accord versus the Sport-looking Audi because what they’re proving then was the engine POWER & SPEED kase both has a direct relations.  Wala tayong pakialam sa hitsura, weight or aerodynamics ng sasakyan..DOON tayo sa makina.  Walang kinalaman kung naging mabigat ang chassis nung isa, basta ang pinag-uusapan dito ay iyong POWER & SPEED. 8)

Ganoon din sa pagko-compare ng motor bikes.  Wala silang paki-alam kung circuit bike ba ito or dragster bike.  Ang laging common denominator dito ay iyong Engine POWER & Speed.  And I just want to re-educate you…Sa pagte-test ng mga big bikes, hindi nila ginagawa ito sa circuit (pagtatawanan ka ng mga professional bikers kapag naghamon ka sa circuit) ;D….Rather doon sa boundary ng Northern England & Ireland or sa Salt Lake City.  Meron doon (England-Ireland) about a 10 mile stretch kung saan pino-proved iyong maximum Engine Power ng isang bike with respect to it’s speed versus the Time stamp ng travel nito.  Yes ang Harley talagang mabigat kapag naka-stationary pero kapag naka-rekta na ito, para ka nang inililipad @ 167miles/hr for the Sportster 880…Wala pa iyong V-Rod @ 300miles/hr.  Iyong sinasabi mong circuit race, hindi lang engine ang pinag-uusapan doon pati na rin iyong diskarte ng rider. 

Going back to amplifiers…ex. for tube amp (halogen bulb @ 100W) versus SS/Receiver (ordinary incandescent bulb also @ 100W)…I will gonna ask you…PAREHO BA ANG LIWANAG NA IBIBIGAY NILA?  Pag ito ay hindi mo pa naintindihan, ewan ko na lang. ::)

Again, I said simple things but you mentioned too many things na pakiramdam ko ay para akong may kausap na bata na dapat ibigay lahat ng detalye para maintindihan iyong analogies ko.  Bro’ 1+1=2 lang ito, hindi 11 (binary) or Magellan.   8) 8) 8)


Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: oweidah on Jun 27, 2006 at 07:22 PM
but sorry to say, i have not read anything of substance, just mere opinions.....

oach!!!
o ayan haba-haba litanya di pumasa k sir 2ny  ;D
at least dats entertainment,  welcome break from your russian winter sojourn :)
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: Signal2Noise on Jun 27, 2006 at 07:25 PM
WOW!!! i have been following this thread  and i would say i was really entertained. ;D ;D ;D

but sorry to say, i have not read anything of substance, just mere opinions.....

but carry on, we all have a right to our opinions...

Sorry Bro' but that was also your opinion....IMHO. 8)

Na-entertain ka nga tapos sasabihin mo walang substance..... ;D
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: hattori_hanzo on Jun 27, 2006 at 08:40 PM
Bro, as I have said...You mentioned too many things:

First, if I compared two types of amplifiers....Generally speaking and of course granted lagi ang matching nito sa loudspeakers. Alam na nang lahat ang system matching.   Nobody will gonna buy certain gears na hindi match sa ibang components nito kase sayang ang pera.  Kaya iyong sinasabi mong pseudo acoustic effect, depende pa rin sa makikinig nito.  Not all individuals can perceived your claim kase sa mga audiophiles and audio experts ay hindi nila paniniwalaan iyong claim mo about pseudo acoustics.   ::)

here we go again, sorry mods medyo OT na pero still keeps on insisting... oh well kung saan ka masaya...

hindi ko na masyado papahabain pa...

psuedo acoutics is a claim made when your expiriencing heightend audio sensation without the validity of audio gears technical specs. pseudo meaning "simulated" and acoutics means "sound" or "auditory"... so when your in a "pseudo acoutics" or "simulated auditory" it is giving you an impression that defies the techical specification of a certain audio gear...

for example... your claiming of hearing the 30-50tube amp was producing a much powerful output than a 100W SS amp. ikaw mismo na expirience mo pero hindi mo alam.   

ever heard of "EUPHONICS???"...


If you say horse power, it is the product of a rotational speed & torque over the 5252 constant.  Speed attributes POWER?   So when I said POWER, it has relation doon sa speed analogy ko.  Puwede ba na magkaroon ng 300miles/hour velocity kung walang POWER, regardless of your hp thing, kaya nga TORQUE ang ginamit kong variable dahil hindi na in used ang term na BHP?  Again, you took my analogy very literal....In comparing two vehicles, regardless of designs….Doon tayo sa capability nito to drive.  Kahit sa BBC World, they even compared the simple looking Honda Accord versus the Sport-looking Audi because what they’re proving then was the engine POWER & SPEED kase both has a direct relations.  Wala tayong pakialam sa hitsura, weight or aerodynamics ng sasakyan..DOON tayo sa makina.  Walang kinalaman kung naging mabigat ang chassis nung isa, basta ang pinag-uusapan dito ay iyong POWER & SPEED. 8)

Oh bro hindi lang output power ng engine ang may kinalaman sa top speed bro, sige manood kapa ng BBC ha????

meron kinalaman ang design ng sports car specially the aerodynamics, car engineers research a good design to minimize the drag force and to attain a good airflow on cars body. and yes, weight includes too, ever wonder bakit gumagamit na ng space age design ang mga auto at F1 ngayon even sa materials they use? like carbon fiber chassis. this is to attain good performance and top speed...   

Oh by the way BHP (brake horse power) is still being used bro...

dapat hindi lang BBC ang pinapanood mo dagdagan mo pa ng Nat geo saka discovery channel  ;D ;D ;D


Ganoon din sa pagko-compare ng motor bikes.  Wala silang paki-alam kung circuit bike ba ito or dragster bike.  Ang laging common denominator dito ay iyong Engine POWER & Speed.  And I just want to re-educate you…Sa pagte-test ng mga big bikes, hindi nila ginagawa ito sa circuit (pagtatawanan ka ng mga professional bikers kapag naghamon ka sa circuit) ;D….Rather doon sa boundary ng Northern England & Ireland or sa Salt Lake City.  Meron doon (England-Ireland) about a 10 mile stretch kung saan pino-proved iyong maximum Engine Power ng isang bike with respect to it’s speed versus the Time stamp ng travel nito.  Yes ang Harley talagang mabigat kapag naka-stationary pero kapag naka-rekta na ito, para ka nang inililipad @ 167miles/hr for the Sportster 880…Wala pa iyong V-Rod @ 300miles/hr.  Iyong sinasabi mong circuit race, hindi lang engine ang pinag-uusapan doon pati na rin iyong diskarte ng rider.

Bro alam mo ba ang sinasabi mo? siguro dapat ikaw ang mag educate sa sarili mo....

sino bang may sabi na sa circuit lang tinetest ang motocycles? and dun sa place na sinabi mo sa england or sa saltlake city. dont tell me lahat ng motocycles eh dadalahin dun para i test. ay bro lahat sasabihin mo makatakas ka sa mga claims mo sa analogy mo.

saka sino ba ang may sabi na mabigat ang Harley pag naka stationary? bro hindi lang harley ang mabigat pag naka stationary kahit anong motorcycle maigat pag naka hinto... pero pag tumatakbo na ibang usapan na yon. ang ineemphasize ko eh yung use ng bawat motorcycle. kung ano ang purpose of their respected designs (eg. HD sportster for rally bikes , HD electra glide for touring, Honda hurricane for circuit race, kawasaki 250 for motor cross etc. etc.) so you see bawat bike may kanya kanyang design at hindi yung lang speed ang tinitignan mo... and then pati driver ineemphasize mo, bro ciguro naman sa mga examples natin eh assuming na marunong yung driver ano? logic lang bro...

saka, everheard of dyno tunning?... ayan assignment mo yan ha? .... 


Going back to amplifiers…ex. for tube amp (halogen bulb @ 100W) versus SS/Receiver (ordinary incandescent bulb also @ 100W)…I will gonna ask you…PAREHO BA ANG LIWANAG NA IBIBIGAY NILA?  Pag ito ay hindi mo pa naintindihan, ewan ko na lang. ::)

Again, I said simple things but you mentioned too many things na pakiramdam ko ay para akong may kausap na bata na dapat ibigay lahat ng detalye para maintindihan iyong analogies ko.  Bro’ 1+1=2 lang ito, hindi 11 (binary) or Magellan.   8) 8) 8)


hay naku subjective na naman sa "bulb" analogy nya. bro mathematically speaking a 100w bulb will be 100w bulb regardless of halogen or incandescent. bakit magkakaiba ba ng power ito dahil mas maliwanag yung isa? again bro your expiriencing a hightened sensation... "pseudo acoutic".... "simulated auditory"... "perceptions"... oh baka hindi mo pa maintindihan yan boy. a watt is still a watt... regardless of what your expiriencing...

Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: Signal2Noise on Jun 27, 2006 at 09:32 PM
here we go again, sorry mods medyo OT na pero still keeps on insisting... oh well kung saan ka masaya...

hindi ko na masyado papahabain pa...

psuedo acoutics is a claim made when your expiriencing heightend audio sensation without the validity of audio gears technical specs. pseudo meaning "simulated" and acoutics means "sound" or "auditory"... so when your in a "pseudo acoutics" or "simulated auditory" it is giving you an impression that defies the techical specification of a certain audio gear...

for example... your claiming of hearing the 30-50tube amp was producing a much powerful output than a 100W SS amp. ikaw mismo na expirience mo pero hindi mo alam.   

ever heard of "EUPHONICS???"...

Oh bro hindi lang output power ng engine ang may kinalaman sa top speed bro, sige manood kapa ng BBC ha????

meron kinalaman ang design ng sports car specially the aerodynamics, car engineers research a good design to minimize the drag force and to attain a good airflow on cars body. and yes, weight includes too, ever wonder bakit gumagamit na ng space age design ang mga auto at F1 ngayon even sa materials they use? like carbon fiber chassis. this is to attain good performance and top speed...   

Oh by the way BHP (brake horse power) is still being used bro...

dapat hindi lang BBC ang pinapanood mo dagdagan mo pa ng Nat geo saka discovery channel  ;D ;D ;D


Bro alam mo ba ang sinasabi mo? siguro dapat ikaw ang mag educate sa sarili mo....

sino bang may sabi na sa circuit lang tinetest ang motocycles? and dun sa place na sinabi mo sa england or sa saltlake city. dont tell me lahat ng motocycles eh dadalahin dun para i test. ay bro lahat sasabihin mo makatakas ka sa mga claims mo sa analogy mo.

saka sino ba ang may sabi na mabigat ang Harley pag naka stationary? bro hindi lang harley ang mabigat pag naka stationary kahit anong motorcycle maigat pag hinto... pero pag tumatakbo na ibang usapan na yon. ang ineemphasize ko eh yung use ng bawat motorcycle. kung ano ang purpose of their respected designs (eg. HD sportster for rally bikes , HD electra glide for touring, Honda hurricane for circuit race, kawasaki 250 for motor cross etc. etc.) so you see bawat bike may kanya kanyang design at hindi yung lang speed ang tinitignan mo... and then pati driver ineemphasize mo, bro ciguro naman sa mga examples natin eh assuming na marunong yung driver ano? logic lang bro...

saka, everheard of dyno tunning?... ayan assignment mo yan ha? .... 

hay naku subjective na naman sa "bulb" analogy nya. bro mathematically speaking a 100w bulb will be 100w bulb regardless of halogen or incandescent. bakit magkakaiba ba ng power ito dahil mas maliwanag yung isa? again bro your expiriencing a hightened sensation... "pseudo acoutic".... "simulated auditory"... "perceptions"... oh baka hindi mo pa maintindihan yan boy. a watt is still a watt... regardless of what your expiriencing...



Hay naku....Hindi mo sinagot iyong tanong ko about bulbs, you used your excuse na SUBJECTIVE.  Ang tanong ko ay ano ang mas maliwanag both at the same 100W?..Again, sagutin mo muna iyong tanong ko bago ka mag-divert sa ibang topic of yours?  Another thing, you don't know anything about big bikes because you talked too much.    Who said na pang rally ang Sportster?  Saan bibliya mo binasa ito, bibliya ba ni Kulafu?  You are arguing pero if I will ask you again, do you have a bike for me na paniwalaan kita sa claim mo? (baka mountain bike...patay tayo diyan)   Laway lang iyong sinasabi mo sa akin, mine is here, nandito naka-display sa garden namin, tested in Dubai.  Actually isa lang ang BBC, again you don't know anything about big bikes kase na-featured ang Harley V-Rod sa Mean Machines ng Discovery Channel.

You see, you are too ignorant about the bike trend.  Big manufacturers has the resources to go to the place to test and proved kung iyong 2 wheels nila can compete.  Meccah ng mga big bike riders iyong place.  Hindi naman pang-tricycle ito na hindi makaka-afford ang mga manufacturers.  Bikes  like Y2k, Ducati, Honda, Harley, Suzuki, BMW, Indian, Norton or even Dodge Tomahawk has the resources more than you're thinking of.  Ang sinasabi ko pa ay tungkol sa big bikes....but you have mentioned some 250cc bikes.  Bro, big bikes ang sinasabi ko, hindi pang-tricycle.....PERO SAGUTIN MO MUNA IYONG BULB QUESTION KO, ordinary incandecent bulb or fluorescent bulb na lang both 40W, ano ang mas maliwanag ( baka kase hindi ka familiar sa halogen).  Pag nasagot mo ito, alam mo na rin ibig kong sabihin sa tube amp versus SS/receiver.  Di bale na sa bike thing, you cannot impressed me coz I know you don't have. :P

STOP na natin itong thread, ibigay na lang natin sa ibang gusto mag-post...Cge suportahan ta ka sa argumento mo.... 8)
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: bumblebee on Jun 28, 2006 at 08:16 AM
A vehicle travelling 300 km/hr is different from registering a 300 km/hr reading in the speedometer. Two vehicles both travelling x km/hr will reach the same destination at the same time assuming they leave at the same time at x km/hr at constant acceleration. The weight, shape, size of the car will not matter anymore.

When measuring weight, you use a weighing scale. A 10 g metal will not weigh more than a kilo of cotton just because it can hurt you more.

More power translating to more brightness applies only to bulbs of the same type.

Power is the rate of doing work or the rate of using energy. There can only be one definition (kaya nga definition). Whether electrical, mechanical or kilikili, power pa rin yan.
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: ATJr. on Jun 28, 2006 at 09:58 AM
Quote
Na-entertain ka nga tapos sasabihin mo walang substance.....


you are correct pang entertainment lang ang value..... ;D

hey, i am entitled  to my opinions too, right? ;D ;D ;D :'(
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: hattori_hanzo on Jun 28, 2006 at 11:14 AM
Hay naku....Hindi mo sinagot iyong tanong ko about bulbs, you used your excuse na SUBJECTIVE.  Ang tanong ko ay ano ang mas maliwanag both at the same 100W?..Again, sagutin mo muna iyong tanong ko bago ka mag-divert sa ibang topic of yours?  Another thing, you don't know anything about big bikes because you talked too much.    Who said na pang rally ang Sportster?  Saan bibliya mo binasa ito, bibliya ba ni Kulafu?  You are arguing pero if I will ask you again, do you have a bike for me na paniwalaan kita sa claim mo? (baka mountain bike...patay tayo diyan)   Laway lang iyong sinasabi mo sa akin, mine is here, nandito naka-display sa garden namin, tested in Dubai.  Actually isa lang ang BBC, again you don't know anything about big bikes kase na-featured ang Harley V-Rod sa Mean Machines ng Discovery Channel.

You see, you are too ignorant about the bike trend.  Big manufacturers has the resources to go to the place to test and proved kung iyong 2 wheels nila can compete.  Meccah ng mga big bike riders iyong place.  Hindi naman pang-tricycle ito na hindi makaka-afford ang mga manufacturers.  Bikes  like Y2k, Ducati, Honda, Harley, Suzuki, BMW, Indian, Norton or even Dodge Tomahawk has the resources more than you're thinking of.  Ang sinasabi ko pa ay tungkol sa big bikes....but you have mentioned some 250cc bikes.  Bro, big bikes ang sinasabi ko, hindi pang-tricycle.....PERO SAGUTIN MO MUNA IYONG BULB QUESTION KO, ordinary incandecent bulb or fluorescent bulb na lang both 40W, ano ang mas maliwanag ( baka kase hindi ka familiar sa halogen).  Pag nasagot mo ito, alam mo na rin ibig kong sabihin sa tube amp versus SS/receiver.  Di bale na sa bike thing, you cannot impressed me coz I know you don't have. :P

STOP na natin itong thread, ibigay na lang natin sa ibang gusto mag-post...Cge suportahan ta ka sa argumento mo.... 8)

O siya bago maubos ang patience ko,.... now I know who im talking to, anyways no need to go further... this will lead to now where,... o siya para matigil ka na....

IKAW NA ANG SUPER AUDIOPHILE MEGA TO THE MAXXX AT PINAKA MATALINO DITO SA PDVD AT IKAW NA ANG GURU AT NAG HAHARI. LAHAT NG SABIHIN AT CLAIMS MO TAMA MR. KNOW IT ALL!!! MR. SIGNAL2NOISE

o masaya kana ha?...

 ;D ;D ;D

peace everyone...
     
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: ricky on Jun 28, 2006 at 11:22 AM
Back to topic, guys so ano suggest nyo maganda receiver? yung por-kilo or yung mabilis ang speed? would it also matter kung may dependable driver na parang IRON built or mala COTTON yung performance? ;D

Hattori bro hindi mo ba alam yung saying na yung pumatol sa BLANK ay mas BLANK?  ;D
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: aHobbit on Jun 28, 2006 at 11:51 AM
I want to recap and go back natin sa topic ...

informative naman ito ... yun nga lang, pipiliin mo yung paniniwalaan mo ... after na ma-verify mo yung pinaniniwalaan mo ... otherwise, it will just be a blind belief - meaning no solid technical basis (and will just be a subjective comparison - or senseless comparison)

Specs can help you identify a well-built amplifier
audio mags that measures amps in same process of measurement can help you level the playing field of your tech comparisons.
listening to your chosen combination can help you decide its sonic attributes accordig to your taste
audiophiles who have experience with identical gears you are considering can help you validate what you have experience yourself.

then the others follows: cost, styling, features, etc

One thing I always remember in messy discussions like this ... me as an alaktrical engineer: I can not argue with an audiophile doctor since we dont have the same tech background, in the same way I can not argue with a doctor in therealms of sickness (unless he is clearly a 'fake' or anomalous one).

Thus, if at the onset, one seemed unable to filter objectivity adn subjectivity in this type of discussion, I choose not to prolong any discussion to avoid nasty remarks which sometimes we can not avoid in a heated environment - it is just a matter of time actually before you blow your top!  ;D

Of course, in my own term, if you technically made a misdeclaration, I will try to negate and show you miscalculations in statements in order for reader not to have false conception of what is clear in the technical world.

I vote to restore sanity and gentleman's attitude in this thread - otherwise, let's rumble no end  ;D  ;D  ;D
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: redtag on Jun 28, 2006 at 12:09 PM
In this era of internet, information is easily within reach. Value depends on whose hand is open to such info and how fast he is capable of digesting such knowledge
What is  SUBSTANCE and who determines such?
People who hides under the cloak of so-called technicalies including unrelated ones are the ones without
Substance for fear that when their true message is easily understood will reveal how shallow their thoughts really are. One-liner or short remarks are the rule rather than participate in the discussions. Why not? less talk less mistake. No interpretation nothing to correct. Between dinosaur-type technical guy and updated-high IQ- poster. I would bet on the latter. IMHO :-X
Keep on posting Guys!!!!
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: aHobbit on Jun 28, 2006 at 02:12 PM
where there is the internet, information abounds ...  ;)

where information abounds ... much more trash info abounds ...  ;D

the opening of the internet and the information it provides is not a gurantee that it is valuable to the open hand  8)  8)

of course one can earn the bragging rights of speaking new lingo he never understood before (and probably will never understand)  ;D  ;D  ;D

I have a lot of grains of salt in-stock - anybody?  :D
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: av_phile1 on Jun 28, 2006 at 03:26 PM

Going back to amplifiers…ex. for tube amp (halogen bulb @ 100W) versus SS/Receiver (ordinary incandescent bulb also @ 100W)…I will gonna ask you…PAREHO BA ANG LIWANAG NA IBIBIGAY NILA?  Pag ito ay hindi mo pa naintindihan, ewan ko na lang. ::)


I think there may be some confusion here.  So that even the analogies are not always well-placed.  We could be confusing between cause and effect.  My understanding is that light bulbs are commercially rated based on the electrical power they consume.  This is the cause.  The effect is another thing.  The ability of the light bulb construction and design to transform electrical power into brightness which I believe is measured in terms of Lightcandles is the effect consumers can benefit from, Not really the watts.  So not all 100 watt bulb will give off the same lightcandles.  Some with better design like halogens may be more efficient converting electrical watts into lightcandles for a given room size.  So they can be brighter than regular bulbs in the same room.

The same applies to amplifiers.  A watt is a watt is a watt.  This is an electrical measure as applied to the electrical power output of an amplifier, SS or tube or hybrid.  It can be consistently and accurately measured at the amp's output over a fixed resistive load.  It is not the same as and should not be confused with Accoustic energy.  This is the desired effect we want.  The ability of a speaker to convert the amp's electrical power  expressed in watts  into accoustic energies that reach your ear as a listener is what really matters and will no doubt differ between speaker brands and makes of different efficiencies or sensitivities, among other considerations.  The more sensitive the speaker, the more efficient it will be in transforming electrical watts into accoustic energy which I think is better known as sound pressure levels or decibels. This is essentially the "volume" we percieve and the power rating of an amp is just indicative of this ability to deliver more decibels given the same speaker sensitivity and room conditions. 

There are other factors to consider, especioally when comparing Tubes and SS.  Often the comparison is really strained,  the two are essentially of different technologies to create a level playing field for comparing apples to apples.  If a tube amp can sound more "voluminous" than an SS amp of the same rating, there's more than just watts to consider.  I've already stated in an earlier post that the tube's inherent even-ordered harmonic distortion can bloat the signal so that a 1-watt Tube amp can sound more fuller-bodied than an identically powerd SS amp.  Using the same speaker platform, this is the reason why even a 1-watt SET can already fill a typical room, while a 1-watt SS amp will fail.  (Not to mention the common practice to mate a 1-watt SET with a 96db sensitive speaker.) In addition, a tube amp can be driven to full volume and its soft clipping trait can still make it listenable, while a similarly powered SS amp will not be so listenable at the same level.  And because of the much wider bandwidth of SS amps, much of the available power can be evenly made available to high and low frequencies where the ear is not as sensitive, whereas in tubes, the bandwidth is relatively narrower so that the mids can get more doses of the available power so it could sound louder in the spectral regions where the ear is most sensitive - the mids. 

And let's not forget about the many ratings standards often used by competing manufacturers that make even comparing betweeen SS amps and receivers more tricky, if not misleading.  A 50watt RMS per channel amp rated across the full 20hz  - 20khz bandwidth  may sound about the same as an 80 watt RMS per channel amp rated  at only 1khz.    So there are measurement conditions that differ between amps that don't always make a level playing field.  And I wouldn't be surprised if your Tube gear is FTC compliant while the SS gear being compared to is just DIN or EIAJ/JETA measured.

Bottomline is, in this highly personal hobby, it's often better not to generalize, especially when the generalization is based on personal experience or has many factors to consider. 

On the side, I am a bit amused by this analogy about that 1kilo of cotton and an iron slab.  It sort of reminded me about my science teacher in high school asking the class which will drop first from a treetop, a penny or an ostrich feather of the same weight.   ;D   


Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: audibleillusions on Jun 28, 2006 at 06:24 PM
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Many home theater enthusiasts are dissapointed when their home theater
systems do not perform well on 2-channel music. This phenomena is not difficult
to understand and is an expected result of multi-channel sound. By its very
nature, multi-channel surround-sound is more forgiving of the speakers and
cables used. Since there are so many speakers involved, the image focusing
properties of any two speakers working together becomes less critical. This is
why surround systems that appear to sound good on movies are relatively
inexpensive compared to good-sounding 2-channel systems.

In reality, it is the 2-channel image-focusing capabilities of good cables and
speakers that make a really great surround-sound system. Really great imaging
systems usually have a relatively small sweet-spot and the speakers are a bit
narrow in their dispersion. Herein lies the rub. Superb imaging generally comes
at the expense of a wide sweet-spot, but home theater requires a large sweet-
spot for multi-viewer. Therefore, to make a superb system for both HT and
2-channel, this invariably requires some compromises. We at Empirical Audio
generally subscribe to the small sweet-spot as something we have to live with.
The dividends are great, however. Panning is more realistic and continuous with
good focus, and musical scores in movies are outstanding, since they are primarily
2-channel.

Empirical Audio recommends using speakers with relatively narrow dispersion and
similar timbre (sound similar with pink noise). Cables for the front left, right and
center speakers should be as high quality as one can afford and identical in type
and length. Acoustic room treatments should be optimized using 2-channel material.
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: hattori_hanzo on Jun 28, 2006 at 11:07 PM
Another thing, you don't know anything about big bikes because you talked too much.    Who said na pang rally ang Sportster?  Saan bibliya mo binasa ito, bibliya ba ni Kulafu?  You are arguing pero if I will ask you again, do you have a bike for me na paniwalaan kita sa claim mo? (baka mountain bike...patay tayo diyan)   Laway lang iyong sinasabi mo sa akin, mine is here, nandito naka-display sa garden namin, tested in Dubai.  Actually isa lang ang BBC, again you don't know anything about big bikes kase na-featured ang Harley V-Rod sa Mean Machines ng Discovery Channel.

You see, you are too ignorant about the bike trend.  Big manufacturers has the resources to go to the place to test and proved kung iyong 2 wheels nila can compete.  Meccah ng mga big bike riders iyong place.  Hindi naman pang-tricycle ito na hindi makaka-afford ang mga manufacturers.  Bikes  like Y2k, Ducati, Honda, Harley, Suzuki, BMW, Indian, Norton or even Dodge Tomahawk has the resources more than you're thinking of.  Ang sinasabi ko pa ay tungkol sa big bikes....but you have mentioned some 250cc bikes.  Bro, big bikes ang sinasabi ko, hindi pang-tricycle.....PERO SAGUTIN MO MUNA IYONG BULB QUESTION KO, ordinary incandecent bulb or fluorescent bulb na lang both 40W, ano ang mas maliwanag ( baka kase hindi ka familiar sa halogen).  Pag nasagot mo ito, alam mo na rin ibig kong sabihin sa tube amp versus SS/receiver.  Di bale na sa bike thing, you cannot impressed me coz I know you don't have. :P

STOP na natin itong thread, ibigay na lang natin sa ibang gusto mag-post...Cge suportahan ta ka sa argumento mo.... 8)

medyo OT mods, pero for the benefits of the others:

at para dun sa masyadong nagmamarunong, MR. KNOW IT ALL (AKA. SIGNAL 2 NOISE)

yung sinasabi mong Harley davidson Iron horse 880  walang lumabas na model ang HARLEY DAVIDSON na IRON HORSE 880, pero meron engine displacement na 880cc, lumabas ito noong 1907 to 1910:

"Production in 1905 and 1906 were all single-cylinder models with 26.84 cubic inch (440 cc) engines but as early as February of 1907 a prototype model with a 45-degree V-Twin engine was displayed at the Chicago Automobile Show. Although shown and advertised, very few dual cylinder V-Twin models were built between 1907 and 1910. These first V-Twins displaced 53.68 cubic inches (880 cc) and produced about 7 horsepower (5 kW). This gave about double the hill-climbing power of the first singles. Top speed was about 60 mph (97 km/h). Production jumped from 450 motorcycles in 1908 to 1,149 machines in 1909.

The success of Harley-Davidson (along with Indian's success) had attracted many imitators. By 1911 some 150 makes of motorcycles had already been built in the United States -- although just a handful would survive the 1910s."


taken from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harley-Davidson

at ang history ng HD engines:

The Harley-Davidson V-twin engine
 
Harley-Davidson 45° V-twin, Evo Sportster.The classic Harley-Davidson engines are two-cylinder, V-twin engines with the pistons placed at a 45 degree angle. The crankshaft has a single pin, and both pistons are connected to this pin through their connecting rods. This design causes the pistons to fire at uneven intervals.

On the V-twin, the sequence is as follows:

the first piston fires (this is the 0° position)
the other piston fires at 315° into the stroke
there is a 405° gap (as both cylinders go through their exhaust stroke) until the first piston fires again
This design, which is covered under several United States patents, gives the Harley-Davidson V-twin its unique "potato-potato" sound.

On 1 February 1994, the company filed a trademark application for the distinctive sound of a Harley-Davidson motorcycle engine: "The mark consists of the exhaust sound of applicant's motorcycles, produced by V-twin, common crankpin motorcycle engines when the goods are in use". Nine of Harley-Davidson's competitors filed comments opposing the application, arguing that cruiser-style motorcycles of various brands use a single-crankpin V-twin engine which produce a similar sound. These objections were followed by litigation. After six years, Harley-Davidson withdrew their trademark application.

The Big Twins
 
Harley-Davidson Electra Glide "Ultra Classic".F-head, also known as JD, pocket valve and IOE (intake over exhaust), 1914-29 (1000cc), and 1922-29 (1200cc)
Flathead, 1930-1948 (1200cc) and 1935-41 (1300cc).
Knucklehead, 1936-47 61 cubic inches (1000cc), and 1941-47 74 cubic inches (1200cc)
Panhead, 1948-52 61 cubic inches (1000cc), and 1948-65, 74 cubic inches (1200cc)
Shovelhead, 1966-85, 74 cubic inches (1200cc) and 82 cubic (1340cc) inches since late 1978
Evolution (aka "Evo" and "Blockhead"), 1984-99, 82 cubic inches (1340cc)
Twin Cam 88 (aka "Fathead") 1999-present, 88 cubic inches (1.4 L)
Twin Cam 88B (counter balanced version of the Twin Cam 88) 2000-2006, 88 cubic inches (1.4 L)
Twin Cam 96, 2006-present, 96 cubic inches (1584cc)
All Big Twins are air-cooled 45-degree V-Twins.

The Small Twins

D Model, 1929-31 750cc
R Model, 1932-36 750cc
W Model, 1937-52 750cc, solo (2 wheel) frame only)
G (Servi-Car) Model, 750cc 1937-73

The K Models and Sportsters
 
Evolution Sportster cruising around downtown Buenos AiresK Model, 1952-53 750cc
KH Model, 1954-56 900cc
Ironhead, 1957-1970 900 cc, and 1971-85 1000 cc
Evolution, 1986-present, 883, 1100 and 1200 cc
All Sportster engines are air-cooled 45-degree V-Twins.

Revolution water-cooled engine

Revolution, 2002-present, 69 cubic inches (1.13 L), 60 degree V-twin, Liquid cooled.
Used in VRSC (V-Twin Racing Street Custom) models. At first it was used in a single model called the V-Rod. By 2007, the line had been expanded to five consumer models, including the V-Rod, the "roadster-styled" Street Rod, the long and low Night Rod, and the VRSCSE² Screamin’ Eagle V-Rod.
There is also a non-street variant: the VRXSE SE Destroyer. The Screamin’ Eagle V-Rod Destroyer is a 165+hp, professional-level drag racing motorcycle designed exclusively for competition by Harley-Davidson Custom Vehicle Operations; it comes stock with larger 79 in³ engine, air shifter and wheelie bar, among other features. The Destroyer is tuned to make sub 10-second quarter mile runs in the hands of an experienced rider.

a few highlights in HARLEY DAVIDSON HISTORY...

1942 - Among other motorcycles made for the Army, H-D produces the unique XA 750 (will soon be known as a sportster), a motorcycle with horizontally opposed cylinders and shaft drive, designed for desert use (which we now know as desert rally racing). The contract is cancelled early due to war combat moving out of North Africa. Only 1,011 XA's are built.

1947 - Harley-Davidson dirt track (which we now know as rally race tracks) racer Jimmy Chann wins the first of three consecutive AMA Grand National Championships.

1950 - Larry Headrick wins the AMA Grand National Championship for Harley-Davidson in dirt track (again now known as rally racing) racing.

1952 - The side-valve K model is introduced with an integrated engine & transmission to compete with smaller, sportier motorcycles coming mainly from Great Britain. The K will eventually evolve into the Sportster. (again evolved as the sportster).

1954 - Dirt track (again now known as rally race tracks)  racer Joe Leonard wins the AMA Grand National Championship. Over the next eight years, the Grand National Championship will be won by Harley-Davidson racers.

1965 - Harley-Davidson dirt track (again???) racer Bart Markel wins the AMA Grand National Championship in 1965 and 1966.

1970 - In consideration of new AMA rules for Class C racing, a new Sportster®-based motorcycle, the XR-750 racer is introduced.

and so on will the harley davison history...

ngayon MR KNOW IT ALL, SINO SA ATIN ANG WALANG ALAM SA BIG BIKES?...

I rest my case...
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: audibleillusions on Jun 29, 2006 at 12:24 AM
oohhhh gush. what a thread got here. pinoy? chinoy? pinoy dvd nga


hehehehehe joke.
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: Voltraizer on Jun 29, 2006 at 03:34 AM
Yun receiver ko kailangan  na Pa -change oil  at isasali ko na sa rally ha ha ha ha
 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: Voltraizer on Jun 29, 2006 at 10:52 AM
where there is the internet, information abounds ...  ;)

where information abounds ... much more trash info abounds ...  ;D

the opening of the internet and the information it provides is not a gurantee that it is valuable to the open hand  8)  8)

of course one can earn the bragging rights of speaking new lingo he never understood before (and probably will never understand)  ;D  ;D  ;D

I have a lot of grains of salt in-stock - anybody?  :D

Madami akong asukal pang cape.  tawag diyan "information overload".........marami talagang trash!!!
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: rascal101 on Jun 29, 2006 at 11:07 AM
Mahirap mamili lalo na at daming kuwento kuwento. Dalawang buwan inabot ko bago mamili ng amp - una panay receiver tinignan ko. Finally, someone told me na bakit pa ako mag-aaksaya sa bago kung kaya naman at mas maganda pa di hamak ng luma. Kaya ayan panay Pier na ako. he he he
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: ronjet on Jun 30, 2006 at 12:47 AM
IodiZed salt...

back to topic na :) hayy..buhay.. hirap magbasa sa thread.


CHOOSING a RECEIVER :
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: ATJr. on Jun 30, 2006 at 10:23 AM
many people have asked me on what reciever to buy. and here is my one-liner reply:

buy one that you can afford, audition the product, read up on reviews on the internet as well as from the experience of others, but in the end decide for yourself.
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: hattori_hanzo on Jun 30, 2006 at 11:32 AM
many people have asked me on what reciever to buy. and here is my one-liner reply:

buy one that you can afford, audition the product, read up on reviews on the internet as well as from the experience of others, but in the end decide for yourself.

I agree!!!
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: Dracula on Jun 30, 2006 at 11:37 AM
many people have asked me on what reciever to buy. and here is my one-liner reply:

buy one that you can afford, audition the product, read up on reviews on the internet as well as from the experience of others, but in the end decide for yourself.

buy one that you can afford: My wife thinks so ;D, audition the product: to do, read up on reviews: done, experience of others: not a lot but got a few its a new product, but in the end decide for yourself: decided on getting the yamaha rxv 659 ;D
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: aHobbit on Jun 30, 2006 at 12:53 PM
buy one that you can afford: My wife thinks so ;D, audition the product: to do, read up on reviews: done, experience of others: not a lot but got a few its a new product, but in the end decide for yourself: decided on getting the yamaha rxv 659 ;D

congrats ... what speaker did you pair with it? what do you typically listens with it? thanks
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: MAtZTER on Jun 30, 2006 at 02:16 PM
My recommendation for receivers based on speaker size and receivers I have tried/auditioned:

Satellites: Yamaha 55x to 45x, HK 13x
Bookshelf speakers: Yamaha 750, 65x or HK 13x to 23x
Floorstanders (specially those with 2 woofers): Yamaha 1500, 1600 -2600,  HK33x to HK63x.

For best performance. Cheers  :)

Just my 2 cents
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: ronjet on Jun 30, 2006 at 03:17 PM
wow sir dracula..how much score niyo sa 659 ? :D
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: classicman on Jun 30, 2006 at 05:42 PM
buy one that you can afford: My wife thinks so ;D, audition the product: to do, read up on reviews: done, experience of others: not a lot but got a few its a new product, but in the end decide for yourself: decided on getting the yamaha rxv 659 ;D


congrats on your new toy :o.......sarap sigurong makinig sa "pure audio direct" mode nyan coz of the presence of the Burr Brown DAC 8)
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: newbie pa rin on Jun 30, 2006 at 05:57 PM
I agree!!!
Based on experience this is what I could say.
You must have an idea what receiver/speaker combi you want based on your budget.
Audition them to be sure thats what you really want.
Try also auditioning other combi, you will be surprised as to what it can do.

Then when buying a receiver...
Choose the model you want that you can afford.
Buy the next higher model.

Same goes when buying a sub.

I am sure you won't regret what you bought if you follow this advise.
Masakit nga lang sa bulsa but full proof na hindi ka magkakaroon ng second thought that you should have bought that next higher model.

Enjoy your music.
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: ATJr. on Jul 01, 2006 at 10:22 AM
may i add another one liner please?

you need not spend a fortune to get a good sounding gear..... ;D
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: jomonds on Jul 01, 2006 at 10:32 AM
How come there's not much interest here in digital amps like the Panasonic xr55/xr57? I'm blindly jumping into the digital amp option by buying one online.  I have a yamaha 1400, so let's see how it compares.

 :)
jomonds
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: bumblebee on Jul 01, 2006 at 10:35 AM
People like to audition first before buying.
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: john5479 on Jul 01, 2006 at 01:30 PM
one reason is that they are not easily available, aside from whats mentiones as people like to audition first.
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: positive_noise on Jul 02, 2006 at 05:36 PM
O siya bago maubos ang patience ko,.... now I know who im talking to, anyways no need to go further... this will lead to now where,... o siya para matigil ka na....

IKAW NA ANG SUPER AUDIOPHILE MEGA TO THE MAXXX AT PINAKA MATALINO DITO SA PDVD AT IKAW NA ANG GURU AT NAG HAHARI. LAHAT NG SABIHIN AT CLAIMS MO TAMA MR. KNOW IT ALL!!! MR. SIGNAL2NOISE

o masaya kana ha?...

 ;D ;D ;D

peace everyone...
     


Hi mga Bros/Bro Hans;

May action pala dito... ;D  Ingat kayo Bro Hans/mga Bros..ingat kayo sa mga Deception! Did you notice long post...baka copy & paste lang yan...  :-X

enjoy!
positive-noise.  ;)


Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: rascal101 on Jul 03, 2006 at 10:33 AM
Mga Sirs, advise ko na sana walang pikon dito. Kaya tayo naparito para matuto at mag-enjoy. Personally, maganda sa akin iyung ibat' ibang viewpoints valid man o hindi dahil natutulungan ako para maging mas open minded at makapag desisyon ng tama.

Peace.  :)
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: Music4Life on Jul 03, 2006 at 12:06 PM
Pag bibili ka ng receiver, basta pare pareho at di nagkakalayo ang presyo, most probably the sound difference between them are not significant. It will always come down to the looks and features. I chose the V659 because of the RC. My 29" Philips Pixel Plus TV remote is no longer working and it will cost me another HK$480 to replace it. So buying the yamaha is actually saving me that amount of money. I am used to yamaha's feature and also I really liked the simpler panel design. My 5 year old RX-V420 didn't give me a single problem. So, my unanimous choice is yamaha. I played around, considering the Denon 2109, HK140, Pioneer 816, Onkyo 603 and the Marantz 7500. I even auditioned all of them but on the same price range/model, 659 is the best for me. Yamaha included some of Burr Brown/Texas Instrument's high end IC chip inside, and that's a plus. Again, at the same price range, put your money in this receiver. Highly recommended :).
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: lakambini on Jul 03, 2006 at 04:47 PM
hello guys,

i've been reading several times this thread, ask ko lang ano ba difference between euphonics/hi-fidelity and even-ordered/total harmonic distortion?

the way i have analyzed this thread i discovered that ss amps are technically better that tubes.

in choosing a receiver, how will i know what speakers it is compatibel with?
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: classicman on Jul 03, 2006 at 05:20 PM
Pag bibili ka ng receiver, basta pare pareho at di nagkakalayo ang presyo, most probably the sound difference between them are not significant. It will always come down to the looks and features. I chose the V659 because of the RC. My 29" Philips Pixel Plus TV remote is no longer working and it will cost me another HK$480 to replace it. So buying the yamaha is actually saving me that amount of money. I am used to yamaha's feature and also I really liked the simpler panel design. My 5 year old RX-V420 didn't give me a single problem. So, my unanimous choice is yamaha. I played around, considering the Denon 2109, HK140, Pioneer 816, Onkyo 603 and the Marantz 7500. I even auditioned all of them but on the same price range/model, 659 is the best for me. Yamaha included some of Burr Brown/Texas Instrument's high end IC chip inside, and that's a plus. Again, at the same price range, put your money in this receiver. Highly recommended :).


sir, congrats din sa new toy nyo, am sure enjoy na enjoy kayo sa "pure audio direct" mode nyan :)......anong speakers ang ikinabit nyo sa yammy 659 ::) 8)
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: Music4Life on Jul 04, 2006 at 01:14 AM

sir, congrats din sa new toy nyo, am sure enjoy na enjoy kayo sa "pure audio direct" mode nyan :)......anong speakers ang ikinabit nyo sa yammy 659 ::) 8)

I don't use the "pure direct" feature that much. I just tried it for around 20 minutes and I find it a bit too bright in my listening taste. I have the NAD C372 and C521BEE which is warm for stereo listening. Gamit kong pair of speaker, B&W CM1. I also use this as my L/R Front, L/R surround ko ay Bose AM5II (it is like a bipolar speaker), HECO signature (DÁppolito) for center and Magnat as my Sub.
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: classicman on Jul 04, 2006 at 10:40 AM
I don't use the "pure direct" feature that much. I just tried it for around 20 minutes and I find it a bit too bright in my listening taste. I have the NAD C372 and C521BEE which is warm for stereo listening. Gamit kong pair of speaker, B&W CM1. I also use this as my L/R Front, L/R surround ko ay Bose AM5II (it is like a bipolar speaker), HECO signature (DÁppolito) for center and Magnat as my Sub.


wow! ang ganda pala ng separate audio set-up nyo, you've got a powerful integrated amp. in C372....... 8)
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: lakambini on Jul 04, 2006 at 04:31 PM
gentlemen,

what are locally available BUDGET receivers that has a good pre-amp?  i am keen on using separate stereo power amp for my stereo listening.  Paano mag-determine ng quality pre-amp sa isang receiver?  Lastly, paano ba mag-match ng speaker sa receiver?

thanks a lot guys.  i am learning a lot from this thread.
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: MAtZTER on Jul 04, 2006 at 04:39 PM
gentlemen,

what are locally available BUDGET receivers that has a good pre-amp?  i am keen on using separate stereo power amp for my stereo listening.  Paano mag-determine ng quality pre-amp sa isang receiver?  Lastly, paano ba mag-match ng speaker sa receiver?

thanks a lot guys.  i am learning a lot from this thread.

Since you have a separate stereo setup, go for Yamaha, very good in HT.

This way you get the best of both worlds in HT (receiver) and audio (stereo).
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: lakambini on Jul 04, 2006 at 04:48 PM
MAtZTER,

Thanks for that quick advice.  What model can you recommend?  In addition, is it true that a receiver with 62-bit processor will sound much better than a receiver with 32-bit processor?

More power!
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: MAtZTER on Jul 04, 2006 at 05:02 PM
MAtZTER,

Thanks for that quick advice.  What model can you recommend?  In addition, is it true that a receiver with 62-bit processor will sound much better than a receiver with 32-bit processor?

More power!

It depends on your budget. As receiver prices go up, so does the quality of the processor and the amp section. The more power & better quality there is, the better/ warmer it tends to sound as I have found out in my AVR auditions.

My recommendations were already mentioned a few posts back:
My recommendation for receivers based on speaker size and receivers I have tried/auditioned:

Satellites: Yamaha 55x to 45x, HK 13x
Bookshelf speakers: Yamaha 750, 65x or HK 13x to 23x
Floorstanders (specially those with 2 woofers): Yamaha 1500, 1600 -2600,  HK33x to HK63x. Denon 380x.


I believe matching it with speakers that it can drive easily is the key to matching the speaker and receiver. Like I mentioned in other threads, floorstanders are NOT equal to bookshelf speaker plus stand.. cost-wise (as I thought when I was a newbie). You need to factor in the cost of the higher model receivers that would power the floorstanders well, specially the 2 woofer variants, as they need more power to sound their best.
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: MAtZTER on Jul 04, 2006 at 05:31 PM
The higher the amp power and better procesor, the higher the price of the receiver.

So it really boils down to your budget.

Try to get the highest model you can afford w/o breaking your bank, its worth it as a one time investment.

But this also depends on your level of HT enthusiasm (w/c is tied to your budget and how deep you wanna dig in your bank :))
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: niceNslow on Jul 05, 2006 at 01:52 PM
guys, totally newbie here, basa-basa lang then thats it. so no proper info in anything.
bumili kasi ako ng receiver na sansui rz-6880av then no idea kung anong speakers pwede kong ipares. first pa-comment naman about sa receiver and secondly suggest naman kayo ng mga speakers na compatible sa kanya pati configuration ba ang tawag nun?
thnx.
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: Music4Life on Jul 05, 2006 at 03:25 PM
guys, totally newbie here, basa-basa lang then thats it. so no proper info in anything.
bumili kasi ako ng receiver na sansui rz-6880av then no idea kung anong speakers pwede kong ipares. first pa-comment naman about sa receiver and secondly suggest naman kayo ng mga speakers na compatible sa kanya pati configuration ba ang tawag nun?
thnx.


Nung nasa Pinas pa ako 20 years ago, nabili ako ng mga speakers sa Raon, o dili kaya sa mga electronics shop sa Quiapo. Yung mga local made na Daichi speakers ay decent na rin para sa receiver mo. Kung gusto mo ng imported, marami kang choices. Kung imported my suggestion ay B&W 300 series.
Title: Help in buying a Receiver
Post by: ledrahc on Sep 01, 2006 at 09:14 AM
Hi guys, help naman po. Am planning to buy a receiver, my budget is around 25K. Nag-canvass na ako and auditioned some of it. Am a newbie kasi on HT, so i really can't trust my hearing ability.
Medyo bias na ako sa HK. Actually, somehow decided na nga ako na bilhin yung HK235 (got a discount price of less than 25k). But still, i want to hear your opinion, specially yung mga geek sa a/v  :D.
Best choice ko na ba yung HK235 for my budget, or merong ibang model na mas ok (yamaha, etc..)
Hehe, like what i've said, newbie pa talaga me, kaya kahit mag-audition ako, will still find it hard to choose between brands.
Btw, more on Audio ako. And am planning to buy a set of floor standing speakers, any suggestion na din with the speaker na partner ng i-suggest nyo na receiver. Budet is 20K, but preferably, 15k or less... hehe..
more power to pinoydvd!!!!
Title: Re: Help in buying a Receiver
Post by: arthurallanj on Sep 01, 2006 at 09:43 AM
If you're more into audio, then the HK may be your best choice. Yamahas have been reputed as the best for HT, but not for audio. Recently, I just discovered that older Yamaha HT receivers are better in audio performance than newer ones, but newer HT amps can't be beat when it comes to HT. Now, with the speakers, for that budget, you may opt for Wharfedales or even Aurum Cantus. Local counterparts such as Daiichi's Studio Acoustics, DTX and USAudio may also come as a pleasant surprise to you since they are very affordable and perform quite well. Hope I helped.  ;)
Title: Re: Help in buying a Receiver
Post by: av_phile1 on Sep 01, 2006 at 09:43 AM
HK is a great choice for HT.  Even more for music.  Check out a yamaha within your budget.  They are noted for their extensive DSP features and are also preffered in HT.  It's really important to know what you want to guide your buying decision.  Is it the DSP, the remote control convinience, the aesthetics, the extensive input options, the power, userfriendliness of display and controls, digital features, DAC brand used, among so many others. But since you're just startig out in HT, that may be difficult at this time.  If you want the HK for whatever reason, you really can't go wrong with it in terms of power and musicality.  I personally go by the rule, what is good for audio is good for HT but not the reverse.  But as a starter, you'll discover what you want sooner or later.
Title: Re: Help in buying a Receiver
Post by: arthurallanj on Sep 01, 2006 at 09:50 AM
Also recently, I've discovered that older Yamaha HT receivers sounded and performed better than newer ones when it comes to audio listening. But of course, newer HT amps performed better for HT. But those are just my ears.  ;)
Title: Re: Help in buying a Receiver
Post by: JT on Sep 01, 2006 at 11:39 AM
Music-wise and Price per Performance, go for Marantz.  Then Mordaunt-Short, Acoustic Energy,  or Mission are the speakers to match.

Movie-wise and Price per Performance, go for Yamaha.  Then Wharfedale, KEF, or Mission are the speakers to match.

For balanced music and movie capabilities but more expensive,  go for HK or Denon. Any speaker brand should match.

Not sure about Onkyo or other brands,  di ko pa na-try eh.






Title: Re: Help in buying a Receiver
Post by: MAtZTER on Sep 01, 2006 at 12:01 PM
I also heard that Onkyo performs well for music.
Title: Re: Help in buying a Receiver
Post by: Philander on Sep 01, 2006 at 12:55 PM
Try auditioning Marantz 4600 and MS 914 FS speakers.

Price, performance, feature-wise, I'd pick Marantz, not exceptional in HT but superb in Music (with MS 914). The 4600 supports HDCD as well.

Go to 5th avenue so you can audition.

Title: Undecided on home theatre assembly
Post by: Dunedain on Sep 19, 2006 at 04:29 AM
Haven't posted in here for quite a while. This subject also exist in the pages of PinoyXbox but it would be nice to get opinions and/or suggestions from those who have been bathing in the HT department for so long (as opposed to my self-deprived situation for the last 15 years) other than just game consoles. Other than the current DVD players, this also includes connectivity with other external devices currently (even the almost obsolete ones) around as well as incoming devices (PS One, X-Box, PS2, Nintendo GC, Sega DC, PC DVI-to-HDMI, X-Box 360, PS3, Nintendo Wii). Why all that system? It's actually my job to keep tabs with the current system and games since I work in the industry for 10 years (silently, that is), and I also have something on the side with a buddy who's in the "toon" industry (sorry, not spilling beans on what show and which channel). Just in case someone just wonders what the screen is, I have a Vizio 50" Plasma HDTV (http://www.vinc.com/products/detail.aspx?pid=5) (720p, 1080i) that's still in the box sitting in the living room - yes, I could've gone for the 50" Sony rear-projected LCD that pumps 1080p but that's an additional $500, and I could put the money IN a kick-arse sound system.

Currently pinned down to decision of what to get in terms of reciever or just an HT system. I'm looking at 3 different models, all from the same manufacturer: ONKYO. For the last 15 years, my uncle back in Pinas has one of these babies. Old, but the sound really kicks arse as opposed to my father's Pioneer (although I have no complaints whatsoever). Here are the line-ups:

To cut the story short, I'm weighing between cost, performance (THX or no-THX), connectivity (HDMI or no-HDMI) before I start spending (again - OUCH!!!). Opinions? Suggestions?

Thanks.  ;D
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: av_phile1 on Sep 19, 2006 at 10:52 AM
Dunedain,

Forget about THX.  Not really All hype as some pundits put it.  But if you notice, the finest playback systems are rarely THX certified.  It's just a certification process to certify that a product conforms to Lucas's standards for home theater.  It's actually a MINIMUM standard. Passing it will give you the certification.  But most good gears EXCEED THX minimum standards.  And don't need to pay Lucas extra to pass on the added cost to consumers.  Non THX Harman Kardon receviers that don't give 100 watts per channel (the minimum for THX in the power department)  are hardly inferior to any THX certified box in the same price range.   And more importantly, to benefit from THX, not only should you use THX certified players, receivers and speakers, but even your room accoustics and lighting should pass THX certification as well. That means you need to invite Lucas engineers to certify you HT room.  ;D   Total BS.

And if you want to benefit from High Definition, make sure your receiver has HDMI version 1.1 at the very least.  Try to research on the net about the subject.  Ofcourse component video can, but there's diminuition in video quality in that route.  And you'd need HDMI to benefit from the 5.1 LPCM data from DolbyTrueHD and DTS-HD in the new high defenition formats.   

Once you have this, and since you already have a HDTV plasma, get a Toshiba Hd-A1 HD-DVD player for a measly $399 from amazon and experience 6x the resolution of regular DVDs from a growing list of HD-DVD titles out there.  The titles cost just slightly higher than most 2-disc SE DVD releases.  But you get 6x more benefit.   ;D  Many early HD adopters swear, investing in one is the best thing that ever happened to their HT experience since the DVD and the HDTV.  Or you may want to get the Xbox 360 with the HD-DVD add-on.  Then later, when it finally gets released, get the PS3 with the Blu ray player.  Gettinjg both players in both formats will allow you to experience HD from both camps. That should also be in line with your job. 

Oh, and do pass up on that Bose.  Some people will say that if your ears like it, get it.  For me, that's basically why most mediocre overpriced products get to be sold.  Try doing some due dilligence and see that for a lot less, you can get better sonics in some similarly sized sub-sat configs from Klipsch, Definitive Tech and Mordaunt-short, to mention a few. 

Just my 2 cents.



Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: Munskie on Sep 19, 2006 at 11:03 AM
yeah, I agree with sir av, forget about the THX certification.....if you want that certification, all gears and accesories in your HT must be THX certified, from cables, speakers, and the seats!!....before, I really thought thx is a sound format.  if im the one choosing, and if price aint an issue, ill get the receiver with hdmi connectivity.  removes the hassle of having six rca cables for multi channel input....and you'll enjoy the new sound formats that somes with HD... :)
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: dagul27 on Sep 22, 2006 at 12:17 AM
Mga sir,

pwede ba ito?

(http://img473.imageshack.us/img473/1153/biamp22xe4.jpg)
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: av_phile1 on Sep 22, 2006 at 07:02 AM
You have front speakers going to your LF and your surrounds gong to the HF of two bi-wireable speakers?    Technically speaking, puede.  But what does it achieve or solve?   By putting your front channels just to the LF, you won't ever hear their highs, and by putting the surrounds to  HF, you won't ever hear their mids/low-mids.  And if, as in most cases, there is no surround signal, you're left with just the woofers of your speakers driving the fronts.  NGO-NGO ang lalabas niyan.  With surround signals present, you defeat the purpose of a surround set-up.  You essentially downmix a 5.1 to a 2.1 without ever getting the highs from the fronts and the mids/low-mids of the back.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: MAtZTER on Sep 22, 2006 at 09:56 AM
You have front speakers going to your LF and your surrounds gong to the HF of two bi-wireable speakers?    Technically speaking, puede.  But what does it achieve or solve?   By putting your front channels just to the LF, you won't ever hear their highs, and by putting the surrounds to  HF, you won't ever hear their mids/low-mids.  And if, as in most cases, there is no surround signal, you're left with just the woofers of your speakers driving the fronts.  NGO-NGO ang lalabas niyan.  With surround signals present, you defeat the purpose of a surround set-up.  You essentially downmix a 5.1 to a 2.1 without ever getting the highs from the fronts and the mids/low-mids of the back.

Sir, I think Dagul is referring to (passive) Bi-amping thru his new power amp, not receiver. The RB985 maunual states that it can be used for bi-amping purposes (on a stereo setup). Maybe thats what Dagul meant.

If this is the case then, its very possible. Just get a splitter and split your front L& R pre outs from the receiver to the necessary amp connections.

(http://i4.ebayimg.com/02/i/04/2d/30/1c_2.JPG)
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: ricky on Sep 22, 2006 at 10:19 AM
Mat hindi kasi complete yung drawing eh kahit ako same kay av_phile yung comments. But if its the 985 yes he has to buy a Y-splitter for his front pre-out to connect both FR/FL-sur for a bi-amp set-up
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: av_phile1 on Sep 22, 2006 at 11:36 AM
Ah, ok.  For bi-amping, no problem.  Just make sure you know which output channels are for the right and left speakers after using what Ricky and Matz say is a y-splitter for each L and R channel's RCA input connection to our 985.   
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: MAtZTER on Sep 22, 2006 at 03:16 PM
My recommendation for receivers based on speaker size and receivers I have tried/auditioned:

Satellites: Yamaha 55x to 45x, HK 13x
Bookshelf speakers: Yamaha 750, 65x or HK 13x to 23x.
Floorstanders (specially those with 2 woofers): Yamaha 1x00 -2x00,  HK33x to HK63x. Denon 2xxx - 38xx

For best performance. Cheers  :)

Just my 2 cents

Yamaha RXV 659 given good reviews at audioholics.com

http://www.audioholics.com/productreviews/avhardware/YamahaRX-V659p1.php (courtesy of sir Bumblebee)

The speakers used:

http://www.audioholics.com/productreviews/loudspeakers/5.1SpeakerSystemShootout2.php

Seems like medyo tama yung speaker recommendation ko sa taas  :).

Also noticed that its power is measured in 2 channels only.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: bumblebee on Sep 22, 2006 at 03:23 PM
Audioholics doesn't believe in the All Channels Driven (ACD) thing kasi.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: MAtZTER on Sep 22, 2006 at 03:33 PM
Audioholics doesn't believe in the All Channels Driven (ACD) thing kasi.

Yup, I read that article too but most of it was too technical for me to understand. But I seriously doubt if the 659 will give 100w on each of the 7 channels.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: av_phile1 on Sep 22, 2006 at 04:30 PM
Audioholics doesn't believe in the All Channels Driven (ACD) thing kasi.

I had debated with their moderators Clint de Boer and Gene Della Sala on this last year.  I was questioning yamaha's unconservative technical specs and they countered that the FTC requirement was unrealistic and that HT doesn't need all channels to be driven simultaneously anyway in practical terms.  IOW, they don't mid if some brands overhyped their specs.   This is a total disservice to the consumer.    The FTC enables the consumer to make apples to apples comparison, regardless of  how those apples are used at home.  It seemed to me that audioholics is supported by its sponsors like yamaha and other brands to gloss over their overhypes and non-FTC conformance.   Even now, inspite of the preponderance of consumer feedback about how lousy their Samsung BDP-1000 blu ray player is, they are still all praises.  And curiously enough, for a cheap Toshiba HD-A1 player they could easily have,  there is not a single review of this on their site since April.  They seem to be less impartial and more commercial lately.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: dagul27 on Sep 23, 2006 at 12:30 AM
Thank you mga sir.sorry for the incomplete info.Is this correct using the Y-splitter?

(http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/1125/bayampic3.jpg)


For my surround,i'll be using the receiver's surround speaker output.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: av_phile1 on Sep 23, 2006 at 06:57 AM
Clearer now.   ;D  Go ahead and happy listening.  ;D
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: dagul27 on Sep 23, 2006 at 11:23 AM
 ;D
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: bumblebee on Sep 23, 2006 at 12:06 PM
Yup, I read that article too but most of it was too technical for me to understand. But I seriously doubt if the 659 will give 100w on each of the 7 channels.

It won't. Yung tranny pa lang, wanting na.

I'm for ACD too, but it's nice too know that the Yamaha can do 100W in stereo. At least nde sayang yung power alloted for other channels.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: MAtZTER on Sep 24, 2006 at 03:28 PM
It won't. Yung tranny pa lang, wanting na.

I'm for ACD too, but it's nice too know that the Yamaha can do 100W in stereo. At least nde sayang yung power alloted for other channels.

Now that is also good news. Though a user here said it sounds a bit thin... (but the user was using hard to drive speakers).

Also got another text recently ... a fellow member experimented using a tube pre amp to the 2 channel direct input of his Yammy 630, gumanda daw tunog.... significantly.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: Daemon_Seraphim on Oct 01, 2006 at 04:12 PM
Im reading a lot on magazines and forums (learning a thing or two as well) and it seems that for audio(stereo) most people go with dedicated cd players + integrated amp / cdp +pre+power amp.

I've posted a lot of questions in pinoycvd recently about a lot of things. HK receivers, MA speakers et al.
Im interested as well on an audio setup, I like listening to music kasi.

 
Which setup would you recommend?  For someone who doesnt have a very big budget but wants to have a headstart on ht/audio gears/

Please note that I already have a Pioneer DVD 366 S bought 3 yrs ago.

Setup 1

HT + Audio Combined
 Harman kardon receiver + MA B2 + dedicated CD player

Setup 2

Separate Setup for HT and Audio Listening

Yamaha Receiver  + MA Speakers  -->HT Part
Dedicated speakers + integrated amps + existing MA speakers ---> audio part

Can you give me the advantages to each.
Could you also give me a cd player + amplifier combo that I can purchase here in the Phils.

Thanks for the inputs
Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: Ferl on Oct 06, 2006 at 06:28 PM
sir what if 60% music then 40% movies? what reciever can you recommend and speaker for b&w 600 model?

It all depends on your preferences.

If you prefer watching DVDs, get a yamaha or an onkyo. Those receivers are good for sound effects. If you prefer listening more on CDs then get a Marrantz, Denon or HK.

If you have a tight budget, get a receiver with lower power rating like 70-85 watts/ch because most of the time receivers with higher power rating cost a little bit higher. (PMPO mentality ? I don't know.) with 70-85 watts/ch. for me, Im satisfied with 75-85 watts/ch of a Yamaha RXV 595.

You can also consider a receiver with options such as, bridgeable, bi-wiring options, dual pair main speakers (A-B speakers), Phono input,  and the likes.

There are good deals out there that you can get, just wait patiently. About me, Im satisfied with my RXV-595 (bedroom) and Denon 2700 (living room) which I got for very very low price. ;)

These are just my opinions. :)
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: levi on Oct 06, 2006 at 08:01 PM
I use HK 330 for my BW600. Good for music and movies.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: newbie pa rin on Oct 09, 2006 at 12:11 PM
I used an HK 235 for my B&W 600.
If you're more into details this is a good receiver.

Medyo bitin lang if you're into rock/alternative music at 65 watts per channel driving your front speaker.
Try getting a higher wattage model so it would sound at least 10% better.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: Lucky7 on Oct 10, 2006 at 02:29 AM
Nad or Marantz for B&W speakers.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: Reymer on Oct 11, 2006 at 03:38 AM
Tried Yamaha with my B&Ws and im satisfied  :)
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: Dracula on Oct 11, 2006 at 07:25 AM
Was able to get a NAD the previous owner used it paired with B&Ws with good results.... ;)
Title: Re: newbe question (AV RECEIVER)
Post by: x3pomeg on Oct 25, 2006 at 01:29 PM
Hi, Im a newbie here also and this is my 1st post, and I need your help guys. I recently bought a Bose301 in rockwell and paired it w/ a 2nd hand Onkyo TS DX555 that I got before from an Ebay seller. I was not happy with the music quality that I disposed the AV receiver.

What kind, brand, specs,etc should I pair with my speaker that would please my listening ear (im a music lover). Also, pls suggest that which can be good also as home theater....kung magkapera, i will add more speakers, probably 5.1 HT.

I plan to grab this AV receiver in Dubai next month. Many thanks.
Title: Re: newbe question (AV RECEIVER)
Post by: bumblebee on Oct 26, 2006 at 11:37 AM
Hi x3.

Have you tried other speakers? You know, speakers have more impact to the overall sound more than amps do.
Title: Re: newbe question (AV RECEIVER)
Post by: av_phile1 on Oct 26, 2006 at 02:59 PM
There was no way to check which was the culprit, the receiver or the speakers. Or did you?   You apparently have more faith on the Bose than on the Onkyo.
Title: Re: newbe question (AV RECEIVER)
Post by: D75C on Oct 26, 2006 at 11:43 PM
There was no way to check which was the culprit, the receiver or the speakers. Or did you?   You apparently have more faith on the Bose than on the Onkyo.

Ditto
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: MAtZTER on Nov 14, 2006 at 12:10 PM
CHOOSING AN AV RECEIVER

The total system's performance is limited by the resolution of the worst component in the signal path.You may have superb loudspeakers (LS) & source, but they will be wasted w/ a poor quality pre-amp in the signal chain.

Quality matching between components is essential to getting the most sound for your budget.

High-quality loudspeakers at the end of a chain containing a bad sounding component can even make the system sound worse than low quality loudspeakers. The high resolution loudspeakers reveal all the imperfections of the electronics upstream of them.

I've listened to $400 loudspeakers driven by $30,000 worth of electronics & $9000 loudspeakers driven by budget integrated amplifiers. I can state categorically that the electronics & source components are every bit as important as - or more important than - the loudspeakers. Although the loudspeakers significantly influence the overall sound, high quality source components (TT,CDp's) and good electronics (pre amp & power amp) are essential to realizing a musical high end system.


Robert Harley - Complete Guide to High End Audio
page 16

Get a good receiver that powers your speakers well guys. Specially those higher quality mid level speakers, use at least the same level (mid) or higher electronics for them.


Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: Assassin101 on Nov 15, 2006 at 03:39 PM
sir matz, parang nabasa ko yan ka kabilang post nyo ha... ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: MAtZTER on Nov 15, 2006 at 04:23 PM
Inulit ko lang dito, kasi dito sya pinaka bagay. Tamang tama yung title "Choosing an AV receiver". Iba iba kasi tao nagbabasa bawat thread, at least pag nilagay mo na sa maraming thread, di na sila paulit ulit ng tanong.

And pareho lang naman, meron din naman iba tanong ng tanong sa iba't ibang thread, pag sinagot na, tanong pa rin sa ibang thread but same question pa rin. Hehe  :), di maintindihan, parang di naniniwala sa konting sagot lang & gusto yata survey ng opinion ng lahat (akala survey site ang pdvd). Bato bato sa langit... :D

At least ito galing na sa libro (experto at consultant pa yung author) at di sa akin. Pag di pa naniwala mga tao sa kanya (author) , bahala na sila!  LOL :D

peace!  ;D
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: JojoD818 on Nov 16, 2006 at 10:34 AM
Eh Matt alin receiver yun kaya i-produce yun tunog ng Harley at 2TG na naka twin-side?  ;D ;D ;D

Tamang boy tanong ba?  ::)  ;D ;D ;D I'm sure bro hindi naman lahat, there are those who realy value your recommendations at hindi lang nag start ng polls.

Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: MAtZTER on Nov 16, 2006 at 12:20 PM
Oops. Oo nga, bihira nga lang naman ganun. Mali lang type ko. Marami lang kasi problema kahapon... kelangan pera para makabili ng bagong AV gear eh. hehehe ;D

Apologies & peace! Malapit na pasko!  :) Magbilihan na ng HT gamit ng bonus!  ;D

Para di O.T. : Dont skimp on your receiver!
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: JojoD818 on Nov 16, 2006 at 06:30 PM
Hehehe... pera pala problema mo di mo sa akin sinasabi?  ;D ;D ;D pareho lang tayo ng problema kung ganun.  ;D ;D ;D

Frankly, dumadami ang mga audiophiles sa atin ngayon. Sadly, meron hindi marunong ng basic concept of respect, andyan talo pa daw ng surplus amp yun tube amp... o walang kwenta ang mga branded ICs and speaker wires... hay... pretty bold statements for a community such as this, sana yun medyo magalang o discrete.  ;D ;D ;D

advanced Merry Christmas! Sigurado buhay na buhay itong thread na ito at malapit na ang bonus may pambili na ng bago receiver.  ;D



Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: macmac09 on Nov 19, 2006 at 08:56 PM
mga sir, kaunting tulong naman po. im planning to buy an avr sana 100% ht use. i have a separate audio setup kasi. my speaker is monitor audio rs1. ano po ba avr marecommend nyo?

tsaka kailangan po ba MA silver pa rin center speaker ko o pwede na MA bronze? tnx.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: MAtZTER on Nov 20, 2006 at 03:23 PM
If you arent critical, pwede din bronze. I tried that with MA S6 & MA B center for a relative's setup. But same series is best.

100% HT? Yamaha! go for the mid series RXV 1500 to 1600. Yamaha's suit MA's well.

Jojo,

Dumadami nga mga taong ganyan dito, sana man lang nasubukan nila ng maigi bago sila mag comment ng mabilis. Minsan di man lang nasubukan, pero ang daming comment. Ano kaya basehan nila sa comments nila ??? Ika nga, experience is the best teacher. Ano kwenta magturo ng s*x kung di mo pa nasubukan mag s*x (saxophone! wag madumi isip!) .  :)

silipin mo yung Q acoustic thread, meron din isa dyan.  :)

Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: macmac09 on Nov 20, 2006 at 07:51 PM
sir matz, tnx for the reply.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: macmac09 on Nov 20, 2006 at 07:59 PM
i forgot to mention a budget pala. mga max na po cguro 35t. naisip ko po e hk avr240, denon 1907, yamaha rx-v659 di po ba bitin to for my monitor audio rs1? wat po iba maganda. budget ko ata bitin e :D
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: JT on Nov 20, 2006 at 08:08 PM
mga sir, kaunting tulong naman po. im planning to buy an avr sana 100% ht use. i have a separate audio setup kasi. my speaker is monitor audio rs1. ano po ba avr marecommend nyo?

tsaka kailangan po ba MA silver pa rin center speaker ko o pwede na MA bronze? tnx.

HT AVR is definitely YAMAHA. Kaso yung Monitor Audio speakers yata eh more on Music.  Not sure kung ok yung Yammy+MA combi kung ganoon.   

Recommend ko eh Denon 1707.  For sure ok sa budget mo yun, at ok din for MA.


   
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: JojoD818 on Nov 21, 2006 at 01:22 AM
i forgot to mention a budget pala. mga max na po cguro 35t. naisip ko po e hk avr240, denon 1907, yamaha rx-v659 di po ba bitin to for my monitor audio rs1? wat po iba maganda. budget ko ata bitin e :D

I think you should re-consider. Kung medyo mabibitin din lang ang speakers mo I humbly suggest that you save up muna for a more powerful receiver. Sayang naman if you'll just settle for a receiver just to fit your budget. Parang lumalabas nun pinagtyatyagaan mo lang yun receiver because that's just what you can fit in your budget. ;)

Parang lahat tayo bitin ang budget sa mga gears ngayon ah...  ;D ;D ;D



Jojo,

Dumadami nga mga taong ganyan dito, sana man lang nasubukan nila ng maigi bago sila mag comment ng mabilis. Minsan di man lang nasubukan, pero ang daming comment. Ano kaya basehan nila sa comments nila ??? Ika nga, experience is the best teacher. Ano kwenta magturo ng s*x kung di mo pa nasubukan mag s*x (saxophone! wag madumi isip!) .  :)

silipin mo yung Q acoustic thread, meron din isa dyan.  :)



Hehe, parang electronics yan... hindi pwede yun puro theory... dapat may hands-on at ng malaman kung gagana nga. ;D ;D ;D

Hay... paano nga ba mag sax? Aprub naman yun Q acoustics... kaso lang kanya-kanyang opinion talaga.  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: MAtZTER on Nov 21, 2006 at 10:44 AM
i forgot to mention a budget pala. mga max na po cguro 35t. naisip ko po e hk avr240, denon 1907, yamaha rx-v659 di po ba bitin to for my monitor audio rs1? wat po iba maganda. budget ko ata bitin e :D

Mid level na kasi yung RS1 (great sounding speakers!) I suggest you get a mid level AVR as well. Sayang quality ng RS1 mo if you will use lower level electronics.

I think 35k would have fit , Yamaha used to have the rxv1400 or 1500 for this price division, but now the 1600 (49k!) is too expensive for its HDMI feature (Watdhek, I would still connect directly from source to display). Try and ask around stores if they still have old stocks of these mid level Yamaha's.

Havent tried Denon much & duno their prices (maybe try Denon 2105?), so next to Yamaha in my book would be HK. Go for at least HK335 or 340.

If you dont mind pre owned gears, go for the receivers in the B/S section.  Some were kick @$$ receivers years ago now being sold at the same price as (higher) entry level receivers.  Sayang, you missed Ozzzy's Yamaha 2200 for only 23k  :o. Currently your 35k can get you Bote's (once 55+k) Denon 3803.

Just my 2 cents.

Hehe, parang electronics yan... hindi pwede yun puro theory... dapat may hands-on at ng malaman kung gagana nga. ;D ;D ;D

Hay... paano nga ba mag sax? Aprub naman yun Q acoustics... kaso lang kanya-kanyang opinion talaga. ;D ;D ;D

Kung puro theory lang at book research scientists natin, - without experimentation or executing & putting theories to the test. Siguradong HINDI  nag advance technology natin to its present state. Dark ages pa rin tayo.  ;D
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: bugoy-bugoy on Nov 23, 2006 at 04:21 PM
Frankly, dumadami ang mga audiophiles sa atin ngayon. Sadly, meron hindi marunong ng basic concept of respect, andyan talo pa daw ng surplus amp yun tube amp... o walang kwenta ang mga branded ICs and speaker wires... hay... pretty bold statements for a community such as this, sana yun medyo magalang o discrete.  ;D ;D ;D


at sana po iwasan ang sobrang generalization sa mga opinions or posts ng ating mga audiophiles or audio gurus dito, minsan kasi nakakalito sa amin mga newbies instead na makatulong, peace po sa lahat ;D
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: maserati on Nov 24, 2006 at 11:58 AM
guys, question lang po.  kung 6.1 yung speakers set ko ngayon (namely 9.3, 9cs, wh2 center and surround, subwoofer), magagamit ko ba sila lahat on a 7.1 receiver? or hanggang 5.1 lang until i buy another speaker para maging 7.1 ? If ever pwede 6.1, san ko i connect yung pang surround back sa receiver? thanks guys!
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: MAtZTER on Nov 24, 2006 at 12:04 PM
guys, question lang po.  kung 6.1 yung speakers set ko ngayon (namely 9.3, 9cs, wh2 center and surround, subwoofer), magagamit ko ba sila lahat on a 7.1 receiver? or hanggang 5.1 lang until i buy another speaker para maging 7.1 ? If ever pwede 6.1, san ko i connect yung pang surround back sa receiver? thanks guys!

Just connect your surround back speaker to one of the surround back terminals (L or R) and set the unused terminal to NONE in the speaker settings. 6.1 na yan
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: maserati on Nov 24, 2006 at 12:14 PM
Just connect your surround back speaker to one of the surround back terminals (L or R) and set the unused terminal to NONE in the speaker settings. 6.1 na yan

thanks sir!
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: MAtZTER on Nov 24, 2006 at 12:37 PM
Something I realized lately:

One thing I learned in this hobby , its not "The bigger the speakers, the better", but its "The higher the receiver, the better".

Just to share, my friend bought a set of Energy speakers in Canada way back in 1997, combined with the cheapest Yamaha receiver he could get his hands on. then brought here to use. All I hear from him were insults to how crappy those speakers were. He did it so often so I challenged him to bring his speakers to my place to disprove him.

2 days ago, I connected it to a top mid level receiver, and all I saw from him was  :o :o :o

Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: 5Speed on Nov 24, 2006 at 01:47 PM
Something I realized lately:

One thing I learned in this hobby , its not "The bigger the speakers, the better", but its "The higher the receiver, the better".

Just to share, my friend bought a set of Energy speakers in Canada way back in 1997, combined with the cheapest Yamaha receiver he could get his hands on. then brought here to use. All I hear from him were insults to how crappy those speakers were. He did it so often so I challenged him to bring his speakers to my place to disprove him.

2 days ago, I connected it to a top mid level receiver, and all I saw from him was  :o :o :o



I think I agree with you on this.....I have an old friend who has a Dyna audio speakers 42 or 52 , (cantremember already)  hooked up to a Yamaha 35x receiver....at sabi nya eh wala raw kwenta yung Dynes, tapos ang mahal mahal pa raw ng pagkakabili nya, lugi daw talaga sya don and he even discourage some of our friends whose into this hobby as well....... Minsan another acquaintace visit him and he brought with him a Marantz 75xx series receiver....ayun biglang kumanta yung Dynes nya....hehehehehe di na raw nakapagsalita against Dynes.......puro puri naman daw pagkatapos nung audition.....di raw pala sya nagkamali pagpili ng speakers....hehehehehe

Now hes also using Marantz and very happy with his setup. But now he  hates Yamaha receivers......wala raw kwenta at sayang lang ang pera kapag yon ang binili........  ::) ::)
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: MAtZTER on Nov 24, 2006 at 02:11 PM
To be fair with Yamaha, I think its still model dependent. I am sure its not the case with higher model Yamaha's.

It just so happens he combined the lowest model Yamaha to "hard to drive" speakers, w/c IMHO is not Yamaha's forte. My friend used to have Yamaha 1300 plus Dyne 72 floorstanders. Bitin pa rin, specially in music, according to him.

But with easy to drive speakers, I am sure Yamaha will excel specially in the HT arena. Specially the higher models.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: abj104 on Nov 25, 2006 at 09:52 AM
mga Sir,
excuse me, saan na ba ngayon yung thread ng buy and sell?
hanap kasi ako 2nd hand na receiver.
thank you po!
Title: Help on Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: nonie on Nov 25, 2006 at 10:58 AM
mga sir's konting help, ano kaya ang babagay na ampli sa B&W CM1? kasi ang binibigay ng dealer ko Cayin, maganda ba iyon o meron pa mas ok na amp? thanks!
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: HT_Freshman on Nov 27, 2006 at 01:19 AM
makikisingit lang po!

ano po ba pinaka murang AV Reicever pero maganda na (Bang for the Buck) na may COAX/Optical Port para magamit sa 5.1 HT Setup?

Please indicate the Store and the price na rin po if ever na alam ninyo!

thanks a lot!
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: HT_Freshman on Nov 27, 2006 at 01:31 AM
and patulong na rin po kung ano maganda (Cheapest din)  AV Reciever sa setup ko for 5.1 HT and Audio po;

FRONT: 1 pair Wharfedale 8.4
CENTER and SORROUND: Wharfedale WH-2 Series
SUB: Dai-chi 100Watts

thanks in advance!
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: lakambini on Nov 27, 2006 at 09:53 AM
ht_freshman

try the marantz sr4600, more powerful than entry-level yamaha.  a very decent home theater receiver.
Title: Re: Help on Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: newbie pa rin on Nov 27, 2006 at 11:10 AM
mga sir's konting help, ano kaya ang babagay na ampli sa B&W CM1? kasi ang binibigay ng dealer ko Cayin, maganda ba iyon o meron pa mas ok na amp? thanks!

OK yang setup na plano mo sir.
Ganda nyan.

I heard the CM1 at the hifi show and I'd say its a good speaker I wasn't able to get what tube amp they use to drive it though.

How much did they quote you for that set.
You might haggle for a free speaker cables if you intend to buy from one dealer.
Goodluck sir on your setup.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: MAtZTER on Nov 28, 2006 at 11:01 AM
HT freshman, I would suggest you get an Onkyo AVR. Even their cheapest ones are surprisingly good. I have one in my bedroom and I used it with small bookshelf speakers. Galing ng performance for the price! Very musical but not that detailed for HT.

But I dont know if it matches the Wharfes (someone please correct me if I am wrong). I suggest you pair the onkyo with very bright speakers, so they would complement each other specially in HT. If you pair it with laid back speakers it might become too musical ; no more details & impact in HT. I would also suggest bookshelf speakers for entry level AVR's (since you plan to get 9.1's, ok yan).

Just my 2 cents.

Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: Assassin101 on Nov 28, 2006 at 05:54 PM
before i was just using a yamaha 650 to drive my FS. when i added an onkyo power amp rated at 150watts/channel,  it gave an extra punch to the FS and the surround speaker became more detailed because of the less load from driving the FS. but still i'm thinking of getting hk 335 if budget permits. i'm not sure though if there will be be significant result coz i feel that my yamaha lacks that extra edge or something like that.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: nonie on Nov 29, 2006 at 04:18 AM
Thank you sir newbie pa rin
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: MAtZTER on Nov 29, 2006 at 11:32 AM
before i was just using a yamaha 650 to drive my FS. when i added an onkyo power amp rated at 150watts/channel,  it gave an extra punch to the FS and the surround speaker became more detailed because of the less load from driving the FS. but still i'm thinking of getting hk 335 if budget permits. i'm not sure though if there will be be significant result coz i feel that my yamaha lacks that extra edge or something like that.

Just my thoughts bro.. But we can't blame Yamaha for this. They make receivers according to use (not budget). If you look at their catalogs, they combine their low model AVR's with HTIB size speakers,  their 1x00 to 2x00 models for floorstanders. The 659, for example, was reviewed, well rated, but used with satellite speaker systems.

Yamaha or any AVR WILL have the edge, as long as its used with the appropriate speakers that were meant to be combined with their AVR's.

IMHO & frankly speaking, the problem is sometimes: budget first before the AVR's use mentality; basta magka pormang FloorStander & matirang budget, bahala na kahit anong AVR mentality. I know this & was guilty of it, cuz I went through this myself when I was an uninformed newbie. Ayan, I ended up wasting effort, time & money on 3 different setups.

Also, since you have heard the power & improvement an external power amp can give, It is not fair to compare the edge that your power amp gave as compared to a Yamaha receiver. We have to consider that receivers are as much as a HTiB compared to Php 100+k high end separates (separate amp, pre/pro, tuner) , part of w/c you are experiencing by using an external power amp  ;). We have to consider the limitations of a receiver's  "all squeezed into one" tuner, processor, video switching and amplifier all sharing one space, limited budget & most importantly: one power supply (separates have individual PS & usually large ones too).

Just my 2 cents & peace.  :)


Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: lakambini on Nov 29, 2006 at 01:50 PM
matzter,

you hit it straight to the point. 

shopping for a brnad new receiver, 659 is now out of my list.

what budget or mid-level avr can you recommend that can be partnered perfectly with a floorstander speaker?
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: MAtZTER on Nov 30, 2006 at 12:29 PM
matzter,

you hit it straight to the point. 

shopping for a brnad new receiver, 659 is now out of my list.

what budget or mid-level avr can you recommend that can be partnered perfectly with a floorstander speaker?

Only your ears will tell you the answer. IMO, system matching, aside from matching your speakers to an equal value receiver,  also involves matching it with the right tonal quality you prefer for your HT experience. Easiest would be not to combine a bright speaker and a bright AVR cuz the result may be ear piercing to you. I prefer to match a warm receiver to a bright (detailed) speaker. Warm speaker + warm receiver would be too musical IMO & would lack detail & HT punch, but excellent musically.

Just my 2 cents recommendation for best results:

entry level FS or MID level BS: Lower MID model AVR . Yamaha 1000 series, HK300 series, Denon 2000 series, Onkyo 700 series, etc.

Mid level FS (or power hungry speakers like dynaudio, B&W): At least the top mid level AVR's: Denon 3000 series, Yamaha 2000 series, HK 600 series, Onkyo Integras (or Rotel or Arcam receiver) . Or Power amps will also help. BUT best if you go for separates (separate pre/pro w/ separate amp)if you have the budget: Rotel, Primare, Anthem (ouch) or Arcam separates.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: Assassin101 on Dec 01, 2006 at 11:45 AM
Just my thoughts bro.. But we can't blame Yamaha for this. They make receivers according to use (not budget). If you look at their catalogs, they combine their low model AVR's with HTIB size speakers,  their 1x00 to 2x00 models for floorstanders. The 659, for example, was reviewed, well rated, but used with satellite speaker systems.

Yamaha or any AVR WILL have the edge, as long as its used with the appropriate speakers that were meant to be combined with their AVR's.

IMHO & frankly speaking, the problem is sometimes: budget first before the AVR's use mentality; basta magka pormang FloorStander & matirang budget, bahala na kahit anong AVR mentality. I know this & was guilty of it, cuz I went through this myself when I was an uninformed newbie. Ayan, I ended up wasting effort, time & money on 3 different setups.

Also, since you have heard the power & improvement an external power amp can give, It is not fair to compare the edge that your power amp gave as compared to a Yamaha receiver. We have to consider that receivers are as much as a HTiB compared to Php 100+k high end separates (separate amp, pre/pro, tuner) , part of w/c you are experiencing by using an external power amp  ;). We have to consider the limitations of a receiver's  "all squeezed into one" tuner, processor, video switching and amplifier all sharing one space, limited budget & most importantly: one power supply (separates have individual PS & usually large ones too).

Just my 2 cents & peace.  :)



i can only say that i'm also guilty of this predicament. now wanting to move to ML setup. hopefully my avr and amp can power the ML mission that i'll be getting next week.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: MAtZTER on Dec 05, 2006 at 02:57 PM
A Buyer's Guide I read recommends at least 100w for floorstanders. Considering how receiver companies mislead & inflate their power ratings to 100w, a safe suggestion would be THX certified receivers (min of 100w for certification).

I think I saw a Kenwood THX AVR yesterday thats most most affordable among all the THX avr's I have seen. Its only 27k.

Anyone have any experience with Kenwood THX AVR's? How much are Pioneer THX avr's?
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: denmej on Dec 07, 2006 at 06:37 PM
magtanong lang po. nabasa ko na best yamaha at wharf sa HT set up. mag start po kse ako. maliit lang budget. ano kaya masabi nila sa yamaha rvx 457 receiver? kse 6.1 na daw sya.
dun lang kse pasok pera ko sa ngayon.  ;D
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: denmej on Dec 07, 2006 at 06:59 PM
nakita ko na yung YAMAHA thread. tnx na lang po
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: DVD_Freak on Dec 07, 2006 at 07:07 PM
magtanong lang po. nabasa ko na best yamaha at wharf sa HT set up. mag start po kse ako. maliit lang budget. ano kaya masabi nila sa yamaha rvx 457 receiver? kse 6.1 na daw sya.
dun lang kse pasok pera ko sa ngayon.  ;D

Depends on the size of your room bro.  But I'd say better to save up na lang for at least the RXV 65X series.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: dannielsimone on Jan 01, 2007 at 11:29 AM
HAVE CHOSEN....I THINK!

am pretty tired as it has been a long long day but wanted to keep you updated in "real time".

As you know I am no Audiophile and would be hard pressed to find the vocabulary to compare the  products I am demoing  so please put up with my novice approach. 


Firstly.....a few hic ups today.  Not enough speaker wire in the truck.  They were to bring a spool but they only brought 20 meters when needing 25-30 . ...oh well.....

Bought some speaker brackets from perfect vision which would have been great....but the back of the atoms/titans are a polymer type resin not wood so to drill a hole was not recommended. The ADP 370 surround dipole was also of the same polymer substance on the back so again could not drill( and the bracket that the 370 comes with is not adjustable ...having said that... Never should have bought  brackets in the first place as Paradigm provides  a swivel bracket mount upon request for both the atom and the titan..DUH!    So no worries here.  Must  order them. Unfortunatley for me the Paradigm supplier is closed till Jan 2 or 3

Unwrap the Onkyo and the black one I ordered turned silver ....no biggy the demo will go on!!!!

Set up the speakers with the Atom as surrounds.  The titan is just a bit too big as I feared with my limited head room and space. 

Unwrapped the Denon  receiver and thought it looked great.  Powered it up and the sound was real clean with the few CD's I played..  At 110 watts per channel I  thought this baby was about to blow me out of the water but must say....it did not. ( These are CD's that I and family had listened to many a time for many a year.).  System sounded real good though. Went on to some movie clips to see how the surrounds would work and they did the trick.  Speakers and receiver seemed to go pretty well with each other. Played a live Rock concert on DVD which is crystal clear in respect to quality.   Like the 90 watt Denon I auditioned in the paradigm shop I slowly cranked it up to  full volume. Was really surprised when the volume indicator stopped moving.    I was looking for the additional 10 watts you had recommended to me before).  Must also say that on the highest volume the speakers seemed to break up...got  muddy...and I was huffing and puffing with what I hoped was Adrenalin.  Unfortunately the Adrenalin was really ....well......dissapointment.     My son looked at me and said....that didn't sound to good there dad.   Asked myself Why were the monitor 7's  whimpering out?

Decided to give the Onkyo a try.  As soon as I put on the same DVD at low levels I noticed a major difference in the body and tone of the music.  Raised the volume  higher and higher and as I did the smile on my face  got bigger and bigger. Cranked up the music to about 90% which was louder than the Denon at full volume and had no break up or muddy sound.  Clear as a bell it was. Cranked up the volume to full and it sounded real good.....no distortion at all.  Tossed on the "red hot Chili peppers live at Slain Castle and it was killer.   Wife and kids came right out and said the Onkyo was better for them.  In my opinuion it was also better for me...big time! Very different than the Denon...much more Alive and open....and more powerful to boot.  Proceeded to listen to the same CD's as before of Usher (to test the sub) some rock, and even some pop (Madonna for the wife) and it was all kick Asssss take no prisoners.   

Am happy with the Paradigm speakers and am pleased with the Onkyo.  The combo to "my ears" seems to be the "REAL DEAL"!


DENON 2807...GREAT REVIEW  http://reviews.cnet.com/Denon_AVR_2807/4505-6466_7-31660758.html?tag=pdtl-list

REVIEW OF THE ONKYO 803

Part 1    http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/volume_13_2/onkyo-tx-sr803-receiver-6-2006-part-1.html


Part 2   http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/volume_13_2/onkyo-tx-sr803-receiver-6-2006-part-2.html


Part 3   http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/volume_13_2/onkyo-tx-sr803-receiver-6-2006-part-3.html

DUDE....LET ME WISH YOU A HAPPY NEW YEAR AND LOTS OF FUN WITH YOUR MEGA TOY
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: baboinsky on Jan 02, 2007 at 08:35 AM
I'm planning to set up a HT in my den that measures 4X4 meters (Cement Walls, Wood Floor/Ceiling, wood sliding door and windows).  Im planning to use it for 70% HT and 30% audio.  Do you think that the room is too small for FS speakers? Anyway, I can live with BS speakers naman. 

To be on topic.  Im looking at two Onkyo AV receivers (Specifically SR503 and the SR 603).  There is a 8-10k price difference between the two, but im not sure about the difference in the performance. 

Hope I can get feedback about these receivers

thanks!
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: av_phile1 on Jan 02, 2007 at 08:54 AM
I'm planning to set up a HT in my den that measures 4X4 meters (Cement Walls, Wood Floor/Ceiling, wood sliding door and windows).  Im planning to use it for 70% HT and 30% audio.  Do you think that the room is too small for FS speakers? Anyway, I can live with BS speakers naman. 

To be on topic.  Im looking at two Onkyo AV receivers (Specifically SR503 and the SR 603).  There is a 8-10k price difference between the two, but im not sure about the difference in the performance. 

Hope I can get feedback about these receivers

thanks!


First off I wouldnt generalze about FS speakers vis-a-vis room size anymore.  Two reasons: (1) if you mount a BS on a stand, it would eat the same real estate space; and (2)  there are excellent FS speakers that are so slim and thin, they'd look inconspcuous even in a 2m x 3m room.  Check out the Mordunt short and Gale speakers at 5th Ave.  There are small and big floorstanders to fit any room size. 

Having said that, if you are more into HT,  a subwoofer is a MUST.  And because of that, a good BS will be sufficient.

If you have already shortlisted your choice down to the Onkyo, I suggest get the highest model you can afford.  I'd start with the 803 myself.  And for your roo, which is larger than many typical room sizes, you would not lots of power to make for a convincing HT.  I also suggest you get a powerful subwoofer in the 150watts + range, preferrably two, the better to tame room modes for a flatter bass frequency response. 
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: baboinsky on Jan 02, 2007 at 10:13 AM
First off I wouldnt generalze about FS speakers vis-a-vis room size anymore.  Two reasons: (1) if you mount a BS on a stand, it would eat the same real estate space; and (2)  there are excellent FS speakers that are so slim and thin, they'd look inconspcuous even in a 2m x 3m room.  Check out the Mordunt short and Gale speakers at 5th Ave.  There are small and big floorstanders to fit any room size. 

Having said that, if you are more into HT,  a subwoofer is a MUST.  And because of that, a good BS will be sufficient.

If you have already shortlisted your choice down to the Onkyo, I suggest get the highest model you can afford.  I'd start with the 803 myself.  And for your roo, which is larger than many typical room sizes, you would not lots of power to make for a convincing HT.  I also suggest you get a powerful subwoofer in the 150watts + range, preferrably two, the better to tame room modes for a flatter bass frequency response. 



Thanks for the reply. I'm also considering other brands, but my budget for the receiver should not exceed 30k.  Kailangan pa mag tira ng money for the speakers.  I also plan to buy the speakers on a staggered basis para hindi masakit sa bulsa.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: dannielsimone on Jan 02, 2007 at 12:53 PM
Bobinskdy....check out link for completre list of Onkyo receivers.  Many are rated with user opinions.  You can also select (filter) to suit your price range.  I picked up the 8o3 which offers uperb sound and had HDMI fetures as well. 



http://reviews.cnet.com/4566-6462_7-0.html?filter=1000036_9660360_&tag=dir.man.onkyo


Happy Hunting dude!
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: av_phile1 on Jan 02, 2007 at 02:00 PM
Thanks for the reply. I'm also considering other brands, but my budget for the receiver should not exceed 30k.  Kailangan pa mag tira ng money for the speakers.  I also plan to buy the speakers on a staggered basis para hindi masakit sa bulsa.

Unless you want the latest gizmos with the latest features like HDMI and such format decoding as DTS neo, etc, consider going the second hand route.  Check out the buy and sell section  A lot of 1-2 year old units being disposed are well cared for, almost like new and offer great value in terms of price performance.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: baboinsky on Jan 02, 2007 at 10:20 PM
Bobinskdy....check out link for completre list of Onkyo receivers.  Many are rated with user opinions.  You can also select (filter) to suit your price range.  I picked up the 8o3 which offers uperb sound and had HDMI fetures as well. 



http://reviews.cnet.com/4566-6462_7-0.html?filter=1000036_9660360_&tag=dir.man.onkyo


Happy Hunting dude!

Thanks dude.  Would you happen to know if the SR 604 are available locally? Correct me if I'm wrong, I think the 604 has the HDMI feature as well. I can't extend my budget kasi to the 803 level.

Thanks!
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: baboinsky on Jan 02, 2007 at 10:51 PM
Unless you want the latest gizmos with the latest features like HDMI and such format decoding as DTS neo, etc, consider going the second hand route.  Check out the buy and sell section  A lot of 1-2 year old units being disposed are well cared for, almost like new and offer great value in terms of price performance.

As much as I want to spend on the latest offering when it comes to HT, I have a strict budget of 30k for the receiver.  Receivers that have HDMI would easily break the budget that I have mentioned.  Unless the 604 ($399) that has HDMI is available here. 

Also, I visited Architectural Audio yesterday and asked about the HK240 and HK340.  How do there do differ in performance? I'm bent on having BS speaker by the way.

At the end of the day 30k lang talaga ang approved ng commission on audit ko  ;D
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: sonnysy on Jan 07, 2007 at 03:51 PM
Hi!

Our precious 11 year old Harman-Kardon AVR-80 -- have served use really great, solid power and superb sound quality (am into rock music & DVDs... during that it cost me an arm and a leg... made in japan, cheaper models were made in korea then... dunno now) just gave up on us this week.

Briefly going over the reviews here... I'm looking into acquiring a new Yamaha or Onkyo receiver... Whats your recommendation for sub-30K & sub-50K pesos?

Cheers!


Sonny
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: baboinsky on Jan 08, 2007 at 12:40 PM
Wish me luck people! I'm out to shop for a receiver today!  ;D

What to buy??????? Yamaha 659 or HK 340.



Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: baboinsky on Jan 09, 2007 at 09:20 AM
Wish me luck people! I'm out to shop for a receiver today!  ;D

What to buy??????? Yamaha 659 or HK 340.


I got a 240 instead  ;D ;D ;D I suddenly changed my mind after Chad from AA talked about the features of both receivers. The 240 sounded good for me, so I got it.

I was able to treat my gf (suhol) dinner at the mandarin with the money I saved by getting the 240  8)

Speakers naman! Yiheeeee

Title: what's the best receiver for about P10K-P15K
Post by: ericag_ph on Jan 23, 2007 at 10:04 AM

This is for a second setup...what's a decent receiver for around this price range P10K-P15K?
any opinions? suggestions?

thanks
Title: Re: what's the best receiver for about P10K-P15K
Post by: bumblebee on Jan 23, 2007 at 10:25 AM
Cash ba? For me, second hand.
Title: Re: what's the best receiver for about P10K-P15K
Post by: MAtZTER on Jan 23, 2007 at 03:00 PM
I am using an entry level Onkyo in my 2ndary bedroom setup. Its rated at a modest 55w 2 channels driven (FTC, not the jacked up JETA rating) & I was surprised with the SQ as compared to my previous Yamaha entry levels. Very warm sounding & musical. Perfect complement to my bright sounding JBL satellites. Once I paired them with Mission bookshelf speakers, ang galing ng performance in music for the price!

Not that excellent in HT & surround performance though, but good enough for a secondary system. You can easily tell by the build quality & weight that you get more than what you pay for.

I would recommend these for entry levels over Yamaha or HK, (just me but) I find their entry levels bright. I dont know about Denon & Marantz.
Title: Re: what's the best receiver for about P10K-P15K
Post by: AlvinladeN on Jan 27, 2007 at 09:04 AM
Yamaha RXV-457  = P14k, this is what im using now and im satisfied with it.
Title: Re: what's the best receiver for about P10K-P15K
Post by: bey on Jan 28, 2007 at 09:37 PM
Ano kaya ang pwedeng i-match sa Wharfdale 9.1, 9.SR 9.CS, SW150
Yung match para hindi bitin, yun pwede na 50% HT & 50% Audio.
salamat in advance.
Title: Re: what's the best receiver for about P10K-P15K
Post by: John E. on Feb 23, 2007 at 04:19 AM
Yamaha RXV-457  = P14k, this is what im using now and im satisfied with it.

 ;D hi AlvinladeN can you PM me where you bought your 457.

thanks.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: sonny_boy on Feb 28, 2007 at 05:07 PM
Mga Sirs,

Pahingi naman ng advice. Im currently using a yamaha 650 on my whafedale 9.5 , 9cs and 9.1 as surrounds. I am not quite satisfied with the stereo output even when in pure direct mode. Parang matining.

Im considering to replace my receiver with either Onkyo txr674, Yamaha RX-v1600 or Marantz SR8500. Can you please give me some insight as to which among these receivers would be the best in music audio?

Thanks
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: ericag_ph on Mar 01, 2007 at 10:58 AM
Before changing receivers...have you broken-in the speakers?  Takes about 100hrs of use before they start sounding nicer...

Also, room treatment... it can do wonders when the room is acoustically treated (ie. break-up the flatness of the walls, add sofa, carpet, etc....
An all concrete room wouldn't sound nice at all (echo).

If you get rid of the yamaha, how much? 
txt me at  09209625785 thanks

Mga Sirs,

Pahingi naman ng advice. Im currently using a yamaha 650 on my whafedale 9.5 , 9cs and 9.1 as surrounds. I am not quite satisfied with the stereo output even when in pure direct mode. Parang matining.

Im considering to replace my receiver with either Onkyo txr674, Yamaha RX-v1600 or Marantz SR8500. Can you please give me some insight as to which among these receivers would be the best in music audio?

Thanks
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: MAtZTER on Mar 01, 2007 at 11:34 AM
Mga Sirs,

Pahingi naman ng advice. Im currently using a yamaha 650 on my whafedale 9.5 , 9cs and 9.1 as surrounds. I am not quite satisfied with the stereo output even when in pure direct mode. Parang matining.

Im considering to replace my receiver with either Onkyo txr674, Yamaha RX-v1600 or Marantz SR8500. Can you please give me some insight as to which among these receivers would be the best in music audio?

Thanks

My recommendation is to get a good warm sounding CDp. A good CDp will be a big boost for your AV system's audio performance. Maybe a NAD 542?

If you change AVR's try at least the mid level AVR's. IMO, they tend to be warmer sounding, have better midrange performance & perform better in music.

Or you can get both a good CDp and a power amp. This way, even your HT performance will have an improvement.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: sonny_boy on Mar 01, 2007 at 02:15 PM
Sir ericag_ph, thanks. The wharfedales have been with me for more than 2 months now used around 6 hours per day. Baka nga kaliangan pa ng break in. Our room is all cement from floor to ceiling. The floor is wall to wall carpeted. Im planning to find another flat and when I do, I will surely follow your advice.

I have read good reviews on the Marantz SR8500 that they are warm sounding and are very good in music. The reason that it is in my list is a have an offer from a dealer here in the Middle East to swap my yamaha at my purchase price + the difference. I got the yamaha for around 15,600P ane the Marantz is being offered for around 32,500P factory sealed.

I auditioned the Yamaha RX-V1600 last night and I dont hear much difference in musical performance. I feel it doesn't sound warm. But if I consider the HDMI upconversion capability, then its a plus point. The only thing is I use the amp more often with audio listening 70:30. The RX-V1600 here is being offered for around 32,500P.

Sir Matzter, i will follow your advice and try to find a good CDp. But in the meantime, do you think my decision to get the Marantz is a good deal?
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: MAtZTER on Mar 02, 2007 at 04:31 PM
AFAIK, only the Yamaha 2600 does upconversion. The 1600 is merely HDMI capable.

The Marantz looks like a good deal to me. Specially if its got torroidal transformers for that price (if your P means peso). But still I would recommend that you audition it & find out if it suits your listening taste or speakers. System synergy is still the key though & not all that glitters is gold. You might have a great deal on a gear but if that gear still doesnt have synergy with your speakers, wala din.

Quote
Featuring an elegant new chassis design, all Marantz’s new receivers include 7 channels of discrete amplification, component video switching, component or S-video upconversion, 32-bit DSP processing and 192kHz/24-bit digital/audio converters for all channels. In addition, all models feature Dolby Pro Logic IIx capability, surround-sound headphone processing, front panel menu control and home theater processing (THX or HTEQ). 

(http://www.audioholics.com/news/thumbs/SR8500_th.jpg)

Marantz has a newly-developed all Discrete Current Feedback (SA-ready) amplifier design that enables the receivers to deliver a bare minimum of 70 percent of all two-channel power rating when driving five channels simultaneously - a fairly robust “real world” specification,

Marantz’s new SR8500 A/V receiver features THX-Select Post Processing and Dolby Headphone support. It also includes gold-plated connectors and an all-copper chassis with a double-layer bottom plate. The receiver is distinguished by a sleek new front-panel design with a fold-down door and cursor-controlled menu system for ease of operation. The SR8500’s massive Toroidal Transformer provides 110 watts of power output and 32-bit DSP processors and 24-bit/192kHz D/A converters for all eight channels round out the feature set.

The SR8500’s advanced MRAC (Marantz Room Acoustic Calibration) feature utilizes Marantz’s proprietary automatic equalization algorithm to analyze and calibrate optimum surround sound architecture for any size or shape room, including parameters for speaker level, phase, size and frequency response. A high-quality microphone is included with the receiver.

The receiver’s newly designed video section features DVI switching with two DVI inputs and one output, eliminating the need to change connections when switching between video sources. Four HD component video inputs with video up/down conversion are also included. Tme base correction (TBC) in the circuit design offers total compatibility with all types of fixed-pixel display devices such as plasma monitors and DLP projectors.

The Marantz SR8500 is designed for total ease of set-up, featuring 8 pre-outputs, a 7.1 Channel Direct Input, seven digital inputs (6 assignable)—all color-coded (even the speaker terminals). Multi-room operation is facilitated with the use of A/B speakers with multi-room and multi-speaker “C.”

The SR8500 is compatible with every popular 7.1-, 6.1- and 5.1-channel surround sound formats including Dolby Digital EX, Dolby Pro Logic IIx, DTS ES, DTS 24/96 and Circle Surround 6.1 (CS2). Two DC Triggers and 2 Direct IR Flasher Inputs are included for a variety of custom applications. The receiver is bundled with Marantz’s RC1400 slim programmable learning remote control. In addition, the SR8500 includes an RS-232C connection for integrated system control and future software upgrades.


If you wonder about the effects of THX post processing for these AVR's, forget it. I am not so impressed with it, It indeed does sound "movie theater like", yeah, but so what? I was curious w/ it so I got myself a THX AVR, but I still use the Yamaha DSP's more (as a personal preference).

Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: MAtZTER on Mar 02, 2007 at 05:36 PM
Or you can get both a good CDp and a power amp. This way, even your HT performance will have an improvement.

Another option is to put your Yamaha (using pure direct) in between a "separates" audio setup & use the pure direct mode.

A separates setup would look like:
CDp--> preamp--->power amp--> speaker

my current setup is:
Tube CDp---> Tube preamp--->Yamaha in pure direct mode--->power amp---> speakers
This way I can control the volume using Yamaha remote! Works well w/ me & sounds great in music, even the HT experience improves cuz of the power amp!

This is a more complicated procedure though (thats why we get AVR's right? for all in one convenience), But in my case I really prefer tube hybrid sound. But the simplest method would still be a high model AVR (IMO, the highest models all sound good in music), plus a good CDp.

Just my 2 cents.
 
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: sonny_boy on Mar 02, 2007 at 06:29 PM
But the simplest method would still be a high model AVR (IMO, the highest models all sound good in music), plus a good CDp.

Sir thank you, i will follow you suggestion and find me a good CDp first.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: guard on Mar 19, 2007 at 01:20 AM
Guys I need your help. I am a newbie to this HT thing. I am supposed to set up a home theater system and I was able to buy the following off the 2nd hand market:

1. Klipsch Quintet II Speakers (4 satellites, 1 center channel)
2. Wharfedale Diamond Subwoofer SW-100 (w/ built-in amp)

My questions are as follows :

A. What type of A/V receiver or AMP will I need? I'm on a tight budget. Any decent AVR / AMP for less than 10T?
B. How do I connect the 6 speakers to the AVR or AMP? Do AVR's come with 6 speaker connectors or are the 5 channels clearly outlined including the subwoofer connections?
C. I have a GanzKlar DVD / DivX player. It makes no mention if it supports DTS or Dolby Digital. Only AC3. Will I still get 5.1 output? It has 5.1 ports at the back portion.

WIll primarily use the setup for both movies and music.

I hope you guys can help me out. I am practically clueless.
Title: Which Receiver Should I Get?
Post by: kofranks1114 on Mar 20, 2007 at 01:09 PM
HT Collectors. I need assistance. I am in the market for an A/V Receiver.

Based on some inquiries, here are my options:

Brand New:

- Yamaha RX-V357
- Yamaha RX-V359

Pre-owned:

- Marantz SR4500
- Yamaha RX-V457

My current audio set-up:

Speakers: Front - Altec Lansing Series 3: 120W, Center - Altec Lansing 44: 100W, Rear - Bose 100: 80W, Sub - Yamaha SW-P130
HT - Ganz Klar Home Theater in a box
Room Size: 16' x 10' (15 sqm)

What would be a suitable receiver. I have a budget of only 15K. Thanks.
Title: Re: Which Receiver Should I Get?
Post by: bumblebee on Mar 20, 2007 at 01:25 PM
I heard the Marantz w/ a MS912 and liked it a lot.

Audition and get what sounds best to you.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: Mrk on Mar 20, 2007 at 01:57 PM
i've read alot of positive feedbacks with the yamaha rxv659

but do i really have to go with this even i just have a small room?

so much power that i wont be utilizing it to its full potential because of small space

can i just get the rxv359 or rxv459??
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: MAtZTER on Mar 20, 2007 at 02:48 PM
Even a Yamaha 1700 or 2700 will sound spectacular in your small room. Unutilized power?  In this hobby, excess is your friend. More power = more dynamic headroom. And you will hear that in your HT's performance, the sonic differences between receiver classes (entry level to mid level) are audible. Thats why I always recommend people to get the best receiver their money can get (stretch it if possible).

I cant say that a 659 will not be utilized to its full potential. To be realistic, its not one of the most powerful/muscular receivers around (I used to own a 650). The most significant advantage of this model over the lower models is its preouts, for future expansion. This alone merits its purchase over the lower models.

To illustrate, my older setup used a powerful HK receiver plus a Rotel power amp, bi-amped to give my 3 front speakers around 200w each (plus  50a & 40a of high current) in a 12 sqm room. I can say that I truly heard my speaker's full potential by doing this. Was it overkill for a small room? Definitely not. On the contrary the performance was absolutely great.

just my 2 cents
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: threadlock on Jun 01, 2007 at 12:29 PM
hi, im newbie here, amplified na rin po ba ang AV Receiver? Ano pagkakaiba ng sound output nito sa regular amplifier?
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: ericag_ph on Jun 01, 2007 at 01:45 PM
One difference is that a receiver has a radio tuner.
a regular amplifier does not.

An amp is usually better for audio, while a receiver is fo home theater use.

hi, im newbie here, amplified na rin po ba ang AV Receiver? Ano pagkakaiba ng sound output nito sa regular amplifier?
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: threadlock on Jun 01, 2007 at 02:23 PM
Pero kung halimbawa meron kang 5.1 channel amplifier tapos DVD player na 5.1 channel capable na may DD/DTS so hindi mo na kelangan ng AV receiver di ba? So why is it na mas marami pa ring members dito nagpeprefer ng napakamahal na AVR instead of murang 5.1ch amplifier?
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: ericag_ph on Jun 01, 2007 at 06:14 PM
That's right  ;D  no need for a 5.1 receiver if you already have a 5.1 amp and satisfied with it.

As to why they prefer expensive stuff...bottom line is you get what you pay for  ;D  well sometimes you do  ;D
The more expensive the amplifier or receiver, usually the claim is the better sounding it is
with the very same speakers you are using.  You have to test/demo/try this out for yourself when you go to a shop before buying.  Same as buying shoes, try before buying.  Here it will be your ears that do the fitting.
It (more expensive receirver, amp) also has more and more features (like pre-outs, hdmi, etc), that some may need.  If you don't need the features, don't buy them  ;D

If I will just be using f*ke dvds that sometimes have the f*ke 5.1 DD or DTS encoded into them,
I wouldn't bother buying the most expensive receiver or amp out there.  The TV output would be
sufficient.  ;D

If your ears can tell the difference, and you conclude that it's worth the upgrade, again my suggestion, go to a shop
try and demo the equipment before buying (this is standard practice in any HT/AV shop)...so bring your best demo discs. 

However, if your source disc is bad then it's probably not worth it.  If your room is acoustically untreated (poor sounding), and you are buying the most expensive equipment (speakers, amps, receivers, players) and high quality source materials (discs, CDs, origs)...then you just wasted your money too  ;D

Check out my HT setup, it has some relevant information (see the links)
http://pinoydvd.com/board/index.php?topic=55046.0


Pero kung halimbawa meron kang 5.1 channel amplifier tapos DVD player na 5.1 channel capable na may DD/DTS so hindi mo na kelangan ng AV receiver di ba? So why is it na mas marami pa ring members dito nagpeprefer ng napakamahal na AVR instead of murang 5.1ch amplifier?
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: hattori_hanzo on Jun 01, 2007 at 10:35 PM
dude you might want to check this out

im selling this for 10k only very good condition, PM if interested...

(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d16/hanns76/yamaha-rx-v995-front.jpg)

actual pics:
(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d16/hanns76/995front.jpg)

heres the review link:
http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/volume_6_3/yamaha-rx-v995-receiver.html
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: MAtZTER on Jun 02, 2007 at 09:57 AM
That's right  ;D  no need for a 5.1 receiver if you already have a 5.1 amp and satisfied with it.

If your ears can tell the difference, and you conclude that it's worth the upgrade, again my suggestion, go to a shop
try and demo the equipment before buying

Agree, satisfaction is the key in this hobby. The easier you get satisfied, the less you spend... :D

Also if you cant hear the difference... you are blessed. You dont need to spend so much.  :D

Pero kung halimbawa meron kang 5.1 channel amplifier tapos DVD player na 5.1 channel capable na may DD/DTS so hindi mo na kelangan ng AV receiver di ba? So why is it na mas marami pa ring members dito nagpeprefer ng napakamahal na AVR instead of murang 5.1ch amplifier?

Just go to a shop & demo a 18k receiver and a 50-60k receiver. This alone will answer your question.

BUT, if you cant hear the difference, like I said, you are blessed! :D
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: audiojunkie on Jun 03, 2007 at 06:03 PM
Pero kung halimbawa meron kang 5.1 channel amplifier tapos DVD player na 5.1 channel capable na may DD/DTS so hindi mo na kelangan ng AV receiver di ba? So why is it na mas marami pa ring members dito nagpeprefer ng napakamahal na AVR instead of murang 5.1ch amplifier?

5.1ch amp > you mean power amp still you need preamp or processor for other inputs and settings of your system. ::)  ::)

you need something like this:
http://www.avrev.com/equip/b&k3/index.html
http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/volume_7_4/b&k-ref-30-preamp-processor-12-2000.html

Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: joshbonz on Jun 16, 2007 at 07:02 AM
Hey guys..

I would like to trade my 3 mos old N70 w/ any yamaha receivers if possible..

I dont mind if you got this receiver 2-4 years back as long as its working perfectly fine...


Just PM me 


N70: SPECS:
 (violet colored w/ silver lining on it), has 1 gig Ridata rsmmc. have installed some latest animated themes, use applications e.g. guardian(if your phone is stolen, it alerts you thru txt of the new simcard number that the theft is using when he tries using the phone)... 

has latest movies like spiderman 3 and shrek.. 150+ of the latest RnBs, lovesongs and hiphop songs

has 1 yr warranty w/ nokia and the most current firmware already

has scratchless metallic case also

 
 
 
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: lanchawbin on Aug 16, 2007 at 07:21 PM
Onkyo or yamaha for a 25k or less Receiver?? or could you suggest a better brand?
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: r_Y_@_n on Aug 21, 2007 at 05:48 PM
ako din mga sirs, which is better, HK245 or denon 1907?  can you guys recommend a different brand for a 25k budget?  ??? ??? ???  would want it to be a little future proof na din, will be using satellites muna for the meantime due to space constraints tapos ill just upgrade to bookshelfs na lang in the future. TIA! :)
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: threadlock on Aug 21, 2007 at 08:01 PM
Onkyo or yamaha for a 25k or less Receiver?? or could you suggest a better brand?

If you are in 50/50 HT/Audio, go for Onkyo, HK or Denon. Go for yamaha if you are more on HT like 70/30 HT/Audio. As sir matz is always and repeatedly saying: "Always get the receiver your money CAN buy". Meaning to avoid further SARS get the mid-level receivers to lessen upgrade itch.

Here's my suggestion for future proofing:
1. Get Mid-level AVRS (HK 300 series like HK 345, Onkyo 700 series like Onkyo TX-SR705, Yamaha 1000/2000 series like Yamaha RX-V1600, Denon 2000/3000 series like Denon 2807)
2. Get the AVR with pre-outs (which you could use if you plan to upgrade later via power amps)
3. Get the AVR with HDMI connection (better get the AVR with HDMI version 1.3)
4. Get the AVR with a high-resale value
5. Audition your AVR carefully before buying. AVR stay with you for months and even years so make sure, hindi lang yung "pwede na yan" or "ok na yan" dapat... "Panalo!!!"

Between HK 245 and Denon 1907, both AVRs are good, but I would not pick from the two and instead pick the Mid-level HK or Denon(HK 345/Denon 2807). Either way you won't go wrong, it would just be a matter of preference. Audition na lang.

Tingnan mo ako, kakabili ko lang ng entry-level denon but now planning to upgrade, just because of pre-outs!  :'( :'(
O baka gusto mo bumili ng entry-level denon just pm me!  ;D

Just my 2 cents!  :D
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: r_Y_@_n on Aug 21, 2007 at 08:37 PM
thanks for the reply sir.  ;)  due to budget constraints kasi mejo mahirap kayanin ang mid level receivers. mejo mabigat na sa bulsa.  :( :( :(  pero ill try to audition anytime soon. we'll see what happens.  ??? ??? ???
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: MAtZTER on Aug 23, 2007 at 12:46 PM
Very well said sir Threadlock!  :)

@ Ry@n: If mid receivers are beyond your budget, get at least the cheapest receiver w/ pre outs. You wont regret it in the future!

Another economical alternative for a PC enthusiast: HTPC (as processor & DVD player) + 5 channel power amp.

If you are in 50/50 HT/Audio, go for Onkyo, HK or Denon. Go for yamaha if you are more on HT like 70/30 HT/Audio.

Just my 2 cents, but when you go for the mid levels, IMHO, even the Yamaha becomes a 50/50. What people usually say about the Yammies sounding thin or not that good in music applies only to its entry levels IMhO. But any of the mass market sub $1000 receiver still doesnt beat a dedicated 2 channel setup (0/100) of course.

cheers  :)
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: r_Y_@_n on Aug 23, 2007 at 04:57 PM
thanks sir MATZ and Threadlock.  ;)


what can you suggest for an entry level receiver with pre-outs? im currently thinking of getting either a denon 1907 or an HK245. yun lang po kasi kaya ng budget ko. i'm thinking of getting a 7.1 capable receiver na sana para at least mejo ok na siya kahit paano for the future. TIA! :)
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: vtec3 on Aug 30, 2007 at 11:29 AM
thanks sir MATZ and Threadlock.  ;)


what can you suggest for an entry level receiver with pre-outs? im currently thinking of getting either a denon 1907 or an HK245. yun lang po kasi kaya ng budget ko. i'm thinking of getting a 7.1 capable receiver na sana para at least mejo ok na siya kahit paano for the future. TIA! :)

You can try Marantz its a cheaper than either of the two  ;)
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: r_Y_@_n on Aug 30, 2007 at 03:52 PM
You can try Marantz its a cheaper than either of the two  ;)

thanks for the reply sir vtec. will try to check them out.  ;)
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: r_Y_@_n on Sep 17, 2007 at 03:57 PM
just to update po, i already bought my HK 245 from architectural audio. just finished setting it up this weekend. thanks mga gurus... :)
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: vtec3 on Sep 17, 2007 at 07:39 PM
wow congrats bro on your new toy  ;)
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: r_Y_@_n on Sep 18, 2007 at 12:37 AM
thank you sir...  ;)   still enjoying it pa, di pa masyado makatulog because of this...  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: audiojunkie on Sep 18, 2007 at 12:47 PM
Marami pang bote or coffee ang tutmbahin nyan....  ;D  ;D
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: mattia on Sep 18, 2007 at 01:48 PM
For starters, you can't go wrong with a Yamaha receiver.  I'm very happy with my Yamaha receiver that came with 5.1 speakers which I got for less than P20K.  If you observe closely the DTS intro ad in some DVDs, it uses a Yamaha piano.  When in doubt, go for a Yamaha.  So there.

thanks for the reply sir.  ;)  due to budget constraints kasi mejo mahirap kayanin ang mid level receivers. mejo mabigat na sa bulsa.  :( :( :(  pero ill try to audition anytime soon. we'll see what happens.  ??? ??? ???
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: audiojunkie on Sep 18, 2007 at 02:21 PM
just to update po, i already bought my HK 245 from architectural audio. just finished setting it up this weekend. thanks mga gurus... :)

You didn't go wrong in choosing HK, actually it's more musical than others. It just needs proper ventilation due to its high current amplifications it tends to get hotter than normal...  ;D  ;D
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: r_Y_@_n on Sep 18, 2007 at 03:07 PM
You didn't go wrong in choosing HK, actually it's more musical than others. It just needs proper ventilation due to its high current amplifications it tends to get hotter than normal...  ;D  ;D

and it matches well din kasi sa DALI which im thinkin on getting kapag may room space na. for now, satellites na lang muna. but im really enjoying myself.  :D  :D :D  as for the ventilation, ok naman siya, im using it naman in an airconditioned room thats always on so i dont have a problem with it getting too hot. thanks! :)
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: r_Y_@_n on Sep 18, 2007 at 03:10 PM
For starters, you can't go wrong with a Yamaha receiver.  I'm very happy with my Yamaha receiver that came with 5.1 speakers which I got for less than P20K.  If you observe closely the DTS intro ad in some DVDs, it uses a Yamaha piano.  When in doubt, go for a Yamaha.  So there.


i already got my receiver sir... got an HK245, its sounds sooooo much better than my previous sherwood RD6105.  :D :D :D  but thanks for the suggestion.  ;)
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: nelson68 on Sep 19, 2007 at 12:03 PM

Experts,

I'm planning to buy a receiver, what is the better receiver?

I'm thinking of Onkyo and Harman Kardon. The speaker is JBL.

Thank you.

Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: audiojunkie on Sep 19, 2007 at 12:41 PM
Experts,

I'm planning to buy a receiver, what is the better receiver?

I'm thinking of Onkyo and Harman Kardon. The speaker is JBL.

Thank you.



first compare them in paper, esp the power ratings, damping factor to handle the JBL if this is your final choice. I guess JBL is 6 ohms impedance, also to consider which can match to 6 ohms or lower... ;D consider also AVR has pre-out for future expansion if you wish to connect more powerful amp or you got bigger speakers to drive.  :o   
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: nelson68 on Sep 20, 2007 at 01:29 PM
Thank you Audiojunkie. :D


first compare them in paper, esp the power ratings, damping factor to handle the JBL if this is your final choice. I guess JBL is 6 ohms impedance, also to consider which can match to 6 ohms or lower... ;D consider also AVR has pre-out for future expansion if you wish to connect more powerful amp or you got bigger speakers to drive.  :o   
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: Moks007 on Oct 01, 2007 at 01:22 PM
hello may I ask what is the cheapest receiver with hdmi so I can take advantage of the HD sound of hddvd or bluray, thanks
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: Cosmo on Oct 01, 2007 at 01:51 PM
hello may I ask what is the cheapest receiver with hdmi so I can take advantage of the HD sound of hddvd or bluray, thanks

Onkyo TX SR 575 & TX SR505(US only) is the entry level of onkyo that has hdmi connection.
Harman Kardon's AVR 146, AVR 147 & AVR 247.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: Trig on Oct 13, 2007 at 10:03 PM
Sir, ano pong ok i-pair sa wharf 9.1, 9cs, 9dfs? Ano yung bang for the buck since I'm also saving for a ps3. I'll be using it mostly on movies and 360 gaming

HK 347 - 447$
HK 445 -500$
Onkyo 605 - 400$
Yamy 661 - 500$
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: Mo®pHeOu$ on Oct 14, 2007 at 08:36 AM
Onkyo TX SR 575 & TX SR505(US only) is the entry level of onkyo that has hdmi connection.
Harman Kardon's AVR 146, AVR 147 & AVR 247.

Any idea on the pricing sir Cosmo?

thanks.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: Cosmo on Oct 14, 2007 at 03:07 PM
I live here in the us, i can only give you the us price only.

Onkyo TX-SR575 - $349.00

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/484689-REG/Onkyo_TX_SR575B_TX_SR575_Home_Theater_Receiver.html

Onkyo TX-SR505 - $244.88

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/484685-REG/Onkyo_TX_SR505B_TX_SR505_Home_Theater_Receiver.html

HK AVR 146 - $299.00

http://www.jr.com/JRProductPage.process?Product=4155032

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/488992-REG/Harman_Kardon_AVR146_AVR_146_Home_Theater_Receiver.html

or

http://www.harmanaudio.com/search_browse/product_detail.asp?urlMaterialNumber=AVR%20146-Z&status=

HK AVR 147 - $399.00

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/488993-REG/Harman_Kardon_AVR147_AVR_147_Home_Theater_Receiver.html

or

http://www.harmanaudio.com/search_browse/product_detail.asp?urlMaterialNumber=AVR%20147-Z&status=

HK AVR 247 - $499.00

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/488994-REG/Harman_Kardon_AVR247_AVR_247_Home_Theater_Receiver.html

or

http://www.harmanaudio.com/search_browse/product_detail.asp?urlMaterialNumber=AVR%20247-Z&status=

hope this helps!! ;)



Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: Mo®pHeOu$ on Oct 15, 2007 at 10:19 AM
Thanks for the prices sir Cosmo.

Based on US prices, mukhang fairly affordable.  But most probably those will be much more expensive here.   ;D
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: MAtZTER on Oct 15, 2007 at 10:59 AM
Yep. The problem is its very expensive to bring em here. & medyo dyahe to request your relatives in the US to lug around a 30 lb- 66 lb (Onkyo 805)  receiver in the airport. :D

Warranty can be a problem too, specially if Inday accidentally plugs it to 220.

As Lightning McQueen says: Kachow!  :D
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: Trig on Oct 15, 2007 at 06:35 PM
Yep. The problem is its very expensive to bring em here. & medyo dyahe to request your relatives in the US to lug around a 30 lb- 66 lb (Onkyo 805)  receiver in the airport. :D

Warranty can be a problem too, specially if Inday accidentally plugs it to 220.

As Lightning McQueen says: Kachow!  :D

Sir Matzer, I know you're one of the experts when it comes to receivers.

Sir, ano pong ok i-pair sa wharf 9.1, 9cs, 9dfs? Ano yung bang for the buck since I'm also saving for a ps3. I'll be using it mostly on movies and 360 gaming

HK 347 - 447$
HK 445 -500$
Onkyo 605 - 400$
Yamy 661 - 500$

Tenks  ;D
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: Cosmo on Oct 16, 2007 at 06:55 AM
Sir Matzer, I know you're one of the experts when it comes to receivers.

Sir, ano pong ok i-pair sa wharf 9.1, 9cs, 9dfs? Ano yung bang for the buck since I'm also saving for a ps3. I'll be using it mostly on movies and 360 gaming

HK 347 - 447$
HK 445 -500$
Onkyo 605 - 400$
Yamy 661 - 500$

Tenks  ;D

Mura price ng mga hk and onkyo, what site did you get the price?
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: MAtZTER on Oct 16, 2007 at 09:24 AM
Sir Matzer, I know you're one of the experts when it comes to receivers.

Sir, ano pong ok i-pair sa wharf 9.1, 9cs, 9dfs? Ano yung bang for the buck since I'm also saving for a ps3. I'll be using it mostly on movies and 360 gaming

HK 347 - 447$
HK 445 -500$
Onkyo 605 - 400$
Yamy 661 - 500$

Tenks  ;D

Ngeks :P, di naman expert, but I just believe & promote getting the best receiver you can buy. Minimum dapat w/ pre outs, so that leaves Onkyo 605 out of the equation. I prefer the HK but they say Yammy suits the Wharfes better, so go for the 661 & get power amps in the future.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: Trig on Oct 16, 2007 at 12:00 PM
Mura price ng mga hk and onkyo, what site did you get the price?

HK @ amazon
onkyo @ jr
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: romevenom on Nov 16, 2007 at 10:49 PM
Hi all,

Which is better po?

Onkyo 605
Onkyo 705
HK AVR 347

Im using Infinity Primus speakers

Thanks!
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: romevenom on Nov 18, 2007 at 09:00 PM
Hi all,

Ano po bagay na speaker sa Marantz na receiver? Comments please.

Thanks!
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: lakambini on Nov 20, 2007 at 10:21 AM
av_phile1

please recommend a "musical" receiver. will partner it with a floorstander probably a wharfedale 9.6.  amnot interested in hdmi yet but wants the receiver to have a 7.1 inputs and preouts. bdget is 25k, tnx.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: bumblebee on Nov 20, 2007 at 10:26 AM
I find the Marantz 4500 to be musical. But that's an old model. Try the 4600. Should be less than 25k.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: lakambini on Nov 20, 2007 at 10:36 AM
bumblebee,

what would be the ideal partnering floorstander for the marantz 4600?
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: bumblebee on Nov 20, 2007 at 10:52 AM
I just look at the impedances when matching. The Marantz is 8Ohms so I would look for speakers w/ 6-8Ohms impedance.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: lakambini on Dec 05, 2007 at 06:11 PM
av_phile1

is it better to buy a pre-owned mid-level AVR (denon 3805 or2807) or buy a new AVR (Denon 1908, Onkyo 605)?
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: frederickyusay on Dec 05, 2007 at 07:33 PM
try Yamaha RX-V714, it's a 6.1 Surround Receiver with 135 watts/channel..i have the platinum color and i'm very contented w/ it.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: gearhead on Dec 05, 2007 at 08:14 PM
am not av_phile, pero makikigulo lang.
 :D
av_phile1

please recommend a "musical" receiver.

cambridge audio azur 540R. read the reviews... very musical.

(http://www.hifi.nl/gfx/Azur540R-front-1_190504.jpg)

"Wow, I thought the only way to get a highly musical A/V Receiver was to either get a NAD or spent more than $1000 for one. Well seeing that I already have the NAD 742 setup in my bedroom I was in the market for something with more power but had to be just as musical as the NAD. The CA 540R really hit the mark. It is terrific sounding in 2 channel and is such a capable receiver that it is amazing how it stands apart from everything in it's price range. It delivers eveything that I like about my NAD742, just more of it. More warmth, more effortless sound, etc. I have listened more costly examples from Marantz and Denons but they failed to deliver the sound quality. This receiver delivers a warm, clean sound. It appears to drive my Morduant Short 906s floorstanders effortlessly without any sloppy bass. I would recommend this to anyone who is concerned with musical quality of their home theatre system. I was soo unimpressed with some of the a/v receivers musical capability that I was prepared to separate the home theatre and 2 channel music requirement into two systems. The CA has proven that it could deliver a high quality sound and home theatre all in one package."

"It really has an overall better sound quality than my previous Denon 2805, more dynamics. better capacitors? toroidal transformer? I believe it must be something extra to give something so small a noticable difference in sound."

"I have to say that the two channel sound is fantastic. Sound stage is spot on with lovely musical quality that I had yet to hear from an A/V amp. Hard to believe at this price."

http://www.audioreview.com/cat/amplification/a-v-receivers/cambridge-audio/PRD_299482_2718crx.aspx (http://www.audioreview.com/cat/amplification/a-v-receivers/cambridge-audio/PRD_299482_2718crx.aspx)

Quote
will partner it with a floorstander probably a wharfedale 9.6.

cambridge audio azur 540R. uses oversized torroidal transformers. true 80W/ch (measured at 85W/ch pa nga and 100W/ch in stereo). can easily drive the 9.6.

Manufacturer's Rated Power: 80W per ch into 8Ω
Measured Power @ 1kHz: from Home Cinema Choice

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am not interested in hdmi yet but wants the receiver to have a 7.1 inputs and preouts.

cambridge azur 540R. it's actually a 6.1 receiver, but who needs 7.1 when 5.1 is enough?

(http://www.cambridgeaudio.com/gallery/azur/540r/540r-rear.jpg)

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bdget is 25k, tnx.

only P24.7k more or less. swak na swak sa budget.  ;D
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: audiojunkie on Dec 06, 2007 at 12:50 PM
av_phile1

is it better to buy a pre-owned mid-level AVR (denon 3805 or2807) or buy a new AVR (Denon 1908, Onkyo 605)?

I would go for pre-owned (denon 3805 or2807) than new AVR (Denon 1908, Onkyo 605)...
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: Munskie on Dec 06, 2007 at 01:01 PM
I would go for pre-owned (denon 3805 or2807) than new AVR (Denon 1908, Onkyo 605)...
someone is selling a pre-owned denon 3805 in the marketplace  ::) ::)
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: lakambini on Dec 06, 2007 at 03:40 PM
gearhead,

ur right, CA is oneof the best AVR with great power amplifier.  it prioritizes first and foremost the sound quality of their products over "features".

unfortunately, i would want my new AVR to be 7.1 ( bi-amp front) and with EQ.

thanks for the input anyway. (seriously considering b4 d 640R, however found it to be pricey)
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: gearhead on Dec 06, 2007 at 04:06 PM
gearhead,

unfortunately, i would want my new AVR to be 7.1 ( bi-amp front) and with EQ.

well, for that it seems you really have to go with the denon. the 3805 by munskie is just 30k. konting dagdag na lang sa budget.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: lakambini on Dec 06, 2007 at 05:55 PM
gearhead,

streetsmart is also selling his 2807 for the same price.  Both models are very, very, very tempting for the price.
Title: receiver for wharf 9.6, cm
Post by: zedric on Dec 17, 2007 at 12:28 AM
hello gurus!

my 1st post, contemplating on wharf 9.6 & cm or 9.5 & cs, use is 70 ht/30 music.
ito na ata cheapest na imported branded, kung may ibang cheaper speaker na ok, open ako.

what receiver should i get para lumabas ang full potential ng 9.6 or 9.5?

1st ht project ko, medyo limited budget, 50k, kasama sub.
 
maraming salamat!!!
Title: Re: receiver for wharf 9.6, cm
Post by: MAtZTER on Dec 18, 2007 at 11:26 AM
what receiver should i get para lumabas ang full potential ng 9.6 or 9.5?

1st ht project ko, medyo limited budget, 50k, kasama sub.

Full potential? budget not considered: KRELL. Some guys I know tried a Class A KRELL on the 9.6 & it sounded "heavenly" daw. (Krell is a 100+k peso power amp). The more "busog" your speakers are, the more they sound near to their "full potential".

The above leads to my advice: get the best power your budget can buy. If you can.. stretch your budget, you will realize its worth it in the long run, rather than skimping on your receiver on your first purchase (an extreeeeeemely common occurrence). Upgrading later can be costly in terms of time & money.

The worse case is when the owner sells the "skimped receiver" setup after a month or two, pangit daw kasi... then retires from the hobby :-\

Those mightier receivers are not more expensive for nothing, its not a "mine is bigger than yours" game or 10,000w PMPO thing.

Note that whatever 5 star rating your speakers got from audio mags, they used powerful amps to review those speakers. We have to be realistic not to expect the same 5 star performance from a "skimped receiver" setup.

For a 70/30 music HT, a dedicated CDp is a must. Dont rely on your DVDp to give you musical satisfaction. Also based on my constant upgrade experience, the higher you go for receivers, usually the more musical they get, as they have more budget for audiophile parts.
Title: Entry Level AVR with a tight budget
Post by: mjct6210 on Dec 21, 2007 at 06:35 AM
ok po ba yung pioneer VSX-917V-S? any good brand/model for a 20k+ budget?
Title: Re: Entry Level AVR with a tight budget
Post by: r_Y_@_n on Dec 21, 2007 at 06:56 AM
for that budget of 20k, im not sure if the gurus would agree with me but i dont think pioneer is really a good brand for an AVR. most of the guys here prefer denon, yamaha, harman kardon and onkyo AVRs. for me, i chose HK. if you want a brand new unit, there are entry level AVRs that would fit your budget.  :)  but if you're not too picky you can also look for 2nd hand mid-level AVRs in the marketplace. if you really like the pioneer, you can try to audition it and see for yourself. goodluck! hope this helps...  ;)
Title: Re: Entry Level AVR with a tight budget
Post by: blackie on Dec 21, 2007 at 08:55 AM
Check out buy and sell section Sir!

There are some great deals there.


Happy Holidays!

Black
Title: Re: Entry Level AVR with a tight budget
Post by: barrister on Dec 21, 2007 at 10:09 AM
I agree with sir r_Y_@_n.

 
Here's a tip: Start with the most popular AV Receiver and work your way downwards.

How to determine which receivers are the most popular in pinoydvd?  That's easy.  Just browse the various threads under the "Amplifier" child board.  The more pages, the more popular.

The most popular is Harman Kardon.  The "harman/kardon avr" thread has 127 pages.  Next is Yamaha.  The "Yamaha Receivers" thread is 102 pages long.

How about Pioneer?  The Pioneer AVR thread is buried so far down that you'll need the search function to find it.
Title: Re: Entry Level AVR with a tight budget
Post by: ricky on Dec 21, 2007 at 10:27 AM
Yeah for 20t+ just go to the marketplace(pinoydvd branch ;D) to acquire high end gears at fraction of the cost ;) example is the harman 335 at 25t and denon 2807 also for 25t, both mid-end levels that is really worth owning ;) Luckily these units were owned by passionist people(addicts and inflicted with SARS) thats why they are selling it ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Entry Level AVR with a tight budget
Post by: vtec3 on Dec 21, 2007 at 11:30 AM
tama si sir ricky you can go and buy the above mentioned mid-level receiver  ;) that way in case makaroon ka ng SARS attack speakers na lang ang problemahin mo  ;D

or

if gusto mo talaga brand new AVR I think mayron sa Theaterworks na Denon brandnew selling at 50% off.  Below your budget of 20k  ;)
Title: Re: Entry Level AVR with a tight budget
Post by: blackie on Dec 21, 2007 at 11:48 AM
 :o :o :o

Bili na!
Title: Re: Entry Level AVR with a tight budget
Post by: dj on Dec 21, 2007 at 11:55 AM
ot: mga gurus how come na di preferred ng mga people dito sa forum ang pioneer brand? di ba sya magaling for an avr? or gawa ng mga naunang forumers kaya napromote masyado ang denon,harman,yamaha,onkyo,marantz? sa pagsearch ko kasi sites ng pioneer mukhang okay din naman mga features nya for an avr.

back to topic! i myself is a proud buyer here sa bs section natin. taasan mo sir ng konti 20k mo. i got my hk335 at P21k ;)
Title: Re: Entry Level AVR with a tight budget
Post by: reynold on Dec 21, 2007 at 01:11 PM
Buti ka pa 20K budget mo, ako less than 10K lang, hehe ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Entry Level AVR with a tight budget
Post by: barrister on Dec 21, 2007 at 04:49 PM
ot: mga gurus how come na di preferred ng mga people dito sa forum ang pioneer brand? di ba sya magaling for an avr? or gawa ng mga naunang forumers kaya napromote masyado ang denon,harman,yamaha,onkyo,marantz? sa pagsearch ko kasi sites ng pioneer mukhang okay din naman mga features nya for an avr.

Ayos naman ang Pioneer.  Sa features OK, hindi naman sila pahuhuli sa competitors.  Sa design, maganda rin, pero mas gusto ko yung design ng lumang models.  Sa tibay, pareho lang ng ibang sikat na Japanese brands; mas unreliable pa nga ang Harman Kardon dahil malakas mag-overheat. 

Ang problema lang ay ang sound signature.  Yung bass medyo kulang sa puwersa; yung mids and highs maganda at malinaw naman.  Pero manipis pa rin ang overall sound.

Hindi lang sa pinoydvd mahina ang Pioneer.  Malakas sa Pinas dati ang Pioneer amplifiers since the 70's pero natalo na ng ibang brands.  Sa ngayon, mahina na sa Pinas ang Pioneer amps and AVRs.  Maganda dati ang aftersales service nila, pero nakakarining na rin ako ngayon ng reklamo vs. Pioneer service centers.

Sa ngayon, car head units at DVD players na lang ang malakas bumenta sa Pioneer.

Title: Re: Entry Level AVR with a tight budget
Post by: threadlock on Dec 21, 2007 at 05:18 PM
same impression for pioneer AVRs, heard many pioneers being demoed on almost all Autonatic centers and SM Appliance centers, it's cheap but not impressive, manipis ang tunog, parang tunog component lang. Check Marantz AVR, priced a little higher but sounded better than pioneer AVRs.
Title: Re: Entry Level AVR with a tight budget
Post by: MAtZTER on Dec 21, 2007 at 06:00 PM
there is also a HK5500 at the B/S section. Seems like lots of peeps upgrading lately. Its agreat opportunity for newbies to get a more powerful pre-owned receiver rather than buy a brand new but weaker AVR at the same price.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: bikoman on Dec 27, 2007 at 11:26 AM
 
   Good day! Newbie here...I would just like to ask for help and recommendations.

         I have a pair of a 20 year old INFINITY RS II hi-fi loudspeakers with 4 ohms nominal impedance. Power requirements are from 35 - 250W per channel RMS. Original amp driving the speakers was an AUDIO RESEARCH 350W until it stopped working. Replaced it with an ONKYO but it can't drive the speakers to it's full potential. The Onkyo turns off everytime i turn up the volume. I would like to keep my speakers, however, I am having a hard time figuring out what to buy. I would greatly appreciate input on what i should buy. I never want to part with the speakers for they are in great shape. I just want to put enough power to them to really hear them play the way they meant to or rather the way they used to.

    Please help... thank you very much in advance for your suggestions.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: MAtZTER on Dec 27, 2007 at 12:43 PM
Sir, as I read before, THX Ultra  receivers are torture tested to 3.2 ohms.

Power amps, with their beefier dedicated power supplies and sinks to dissipate heat, are also best suited to drive more demanding 4 ohm speakers.

Integrated amps with torroidal power supplies are also ok.

Most receivers are not rated for 4 ohm loads, or if they can, compromises are usually made. This is specially true among the budget receivers. A receiver with its limited space for the power supply and heat sinks, cannot dissipate enough heat generated by the current demand of 4 ohm loads thats why they shut down.

Even speakers rated at 6 ohms dip down to 4ohms or even lower on demanding scenes/music. Thus, my recommendation in many of my posts, get the best power your money can buy.  :)
Title: Re: Entry Level AVR with a tight budget
Post by: kid on Dec 27, 2007 at 02:29 PM
there is also a HK5500 at the B/S section. Seems like lots of peeps upgrading lately. Its agreat opportunity for newbies to get a more powerful pre-owned receiver rather than buy a brand new but weaker AVR at the same price.

go for high current receivers.
Title: Re: Entry Level AVR with a tight budget
Post by: blackie on Dec 28, 2007 at 08:32 AM
Have you seen the Onkyo 504 in the buy and sell section?  Seems like a potentially good buy :o :o :o  At the price it's going and if it's only been used a month... Really worth checking out ;D
Title: Re: Entry Level AVR with a tight budget
Post by: reynold on Dec 28, 2007 at 01:18 PM
Have you seen the Onkyo 504 in the buy and sell section?  Seems like a potentially good buy :o :o :o  At the price it's going and if it's only been used a month... Really worth checking out ;D


Nabili ko na po kanina, yahooo!!! :)

A lot of entry and mid level avrs are on sale in the B&S section, these receivers are very good especially for those who would like to start in this hobby, there are also who offered me their receivers which are not yet posted in the B&S section, so abang-abang na lang din kayo :)

New Year... New Gear!!!

MERRY CHRISTMAS AND A HAPPY NEW YEAR TO ALL!!!  ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: Entry Level AVR with a tight budget
Post by: blackie on Dec 28, 2007 at 02:45 PM
CONGRATULATIONS! Great receiver :o
Title: Re: Entry Level AVR with a tight budget
Post by: carbomb on Jan 10, 2008 at 11:35 PM
what about kenwood avr's? ok ba cya or not? mahal kc kenwood compare sa denon and marratz eh. di kaya mahal lang talaga cya kc sa pangalan? inputs naman sa kenwood thanks.
Title: Re: Entry Level AVR with a tight budget
Post by: r_Y_@_n on Jan 11, 2008 at 12:27 AM
what about kenwood avr's? ok ba cya or not? mahal kc kenwood compare sa denon and marratz eh. di kaya mahal lang talaga cya kc sa pangalan? inputs naman sa kenwood thanks.

i dont think kenwood is a recommended brand here in PDVD. i dont have any feedback on kenwood receivers but the most common brands that people use here are denon, harman, yamaha, onkyo and marantz. you can check out threads on these brands here. HTH!  :D
Title: Re: Entry Level AVR with a tight budget
Post by: mrk_cute on Jan 11, 2008 at 12:46 AM
@carbomb - I agree with ry@n, pero try mo rin TEAC brands, yun kasi gamit ko ngayon and so far it has satisfied my listening pleasures..  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Entry Level AVR with a tight budget
Post by: blackie on Jan 11, 2008 at 08:41 AM
Not to liken it with Pioneer in terms of AVR's.  I think each brand will excel in  ceratin fields of purpose and entertainment.  Pioneer for example, I think is great for car audio.  If you notice, a number of members enjoy their Pioneer Upscaling DVD players.  I am not too familiar with Kenwood and their performance in terms of how their home AVR's sound.  Like r_y_@_n said, you might like to try other brands, that other members have had formidable experience with. As some might say-experience is the best teacher.  There were a lot of excellent deals in the buy and sell section. In the end, it will be your money and your preferences that determine your limitations and satisfaction (if you are not insatiable that is  ;D) of this challenging, interesting, and whatever adjectives you may think of-passion.

Cheers,

Blackie ;D
Title: Re: Entry Level AVR with a tight budget
Post by: carbomb on Jan 13, 2008 at 05:48 PM
what about the vsx-1017av-s of pioneer? ok ba cya? if you have some idea on this receiver pls kindly post your knowledge. i really need some inputs. thanks.
Title: Re: Entry Level AVR with a tight budget
Post by: reynold on Jan 13, 2008 at 10:02 PM
what about the vsx-1017av-s of pioneer? ok ba cya? if you have some idea on this receiver pls kindly post your knowledge. i really need some inputs. thanks.

Try the onkyo Sir Matzter is selling on another thread, 9K lang, Onkyo 494 ata yun, pm mo na lang sya, for an entry level receiver i think that one will suit your need and budget ;) btw, meron din syang denon 1705 for 11K :)  PM mo na agad baka maunahan ka :)

But if its pioneer that will satisfy your taste, go for it, besides ikaw naman ang gagamit nyan, pag napangiti ka sa tunog, then thats it... What is important in this hobby is that you are enjoying your geaR and its performance, imo ;)

Goodluck Bro :)
Title: Re: Entry Level AVR with a tight budget
Post by: Ctlim on Jan 14, 2008 at 04:49 PM
search kayo sa www.wiredstate.com andun ung mga avr na for sale ni matt.
Title: Re: Entry Level AVR with a tight budget
Post by: John E. on Jan 16, 2008 at 11:53 AM
share ko lang ...

when i was in search of a receiver, i once went to pioneer west ave. and inquired regarding their avrs, i browsed at their catalog and there were neat looking receivers with nice features but the chinese guy i spoke to said that he would'nt recommend a pioneer avr for ht and recommended auditioning yamaha or onkyo for the same price range, i took his honest advise (he would only recommend their products for car audio) ...a potential customer then walked out the door!
Title: Re: Entry Level AVR with a tight budget
Post by: MAtZTER on Jan 16, 2008 at 12:46 PM
share ko lang ...

when i was in search of a receiver, i once went to pioneer west ave. and inquired regarding their avrs, i browsed at their catalog and there were neat looking recievers with nice features but the chinese guy i spoke to said that he would'nt recommend a pioneer avr for ht and recommended auditioning yamaha or onkyo for the same price range, i took his honest advise (he would only recommend their products for car audio) ...a potential customer then walked out the door!

Yan ang honest! I tend to trust people like this. I had a similar experience w/ SGT and I trust his recommendations ever since. No BS talaga & not just wanting to make a quick buck from you. I also keep away from hard selling salesmen who try to malign other brands just so he can make a sale.

My experience with a Pioneer & Jamo combi in SM: there is a severe lack in midrange, I mean butas na butas yung mids. I duno if its the amp or the speakers.
Title: Good HDMI receiver
Post by: boybi on Mar 02, 2008 at 07:51 PM
What's a good receiver with HDMI input/output? Yung hindi mahal ha  ;D
Title: Re: Good HDMI receiver
Post by: et414 on Mar 02, 2008 at 07:55 PM
magkano budget? yung onkyo 604 22k lang sa sights & sounds :)
Title: receiver
Post by: highwayman on Mar 04, 2008 at 05:33 PM

The worse case is when the owner sells the "skimped receiver" setup after a month or two, pangit daw kasi... then retires from the hobby :-\



whats' a skimped reciever? quite new to the hobby and was wondering if the onkyo 604 qualifies as such... thanks
Title: Re: receiver
Post by: MAtZTER on Mar 05, 2008 at 03:06 PM

whats' a skimped reciever? quite new to the hobby and was wondering if the onkyo 604 qualifies as such... thanks

Skimped means "tinipid". Like buying a mid level speaker (B&W 6 series, Dynaudio, etc.) but using the cheapest receiver that can be bought. The worst mentioned was a Dynaudio speaker mated with the cheapest Yamaha receiver from a thread here. The owner said that the dynes were worthless, pangit daw.

I disagree. I have well powered dynes for audio and it gives unbelievable sound for the money.

Just this week, I used my dyn floorstanders for 2.0 (no sub) channel movie viewing, but with a 200w dual mono amp. I thought it was just a comedy so I didnt need my surround receiver. Suddenly there was an earthquake scene (movie: "knocked up") & I was shocked that my Dynes can rock my couch with just 6.5in woofers. SQ was also great w/ the mids & highs.

The 604 is a good receiver, I would pair it anytime with entry level speakers. Only wish it had pre outs. But I will get better receivers in the $1,000 class or up (power amps still best) if I was to use B&W's etc. But thats just me.
Title: Re: receiver
Post by: highwayman on Mar 06, 2008 at 01:51 AM


The 604 is a good receiver, I would pair it anytime with entry level speakers. Only wish it had pre outs. But I will get better receivers in the $1,000 class or up if I was to use B&W's etc.



im using the 604 now with the entry level focal's 714 floorstands with 705 surrounds.

on another note... how do i match the power requirement of my speaker with the amp/ rec that i should use? for example you mentioned that you were using 200 watt mono amps on you dyn, i assume your dyn are 200watts or above) also?

thanks
Title: Re: receiver
Post by: MAtZTER on Mar 06, 2008 at 01:07 PM
on another note... how do i match the power requirement of my speaker with the amp/ rec that i should use? for example you mentioned that you were using 200 watt mono amps on you dyn, i assume your dyn are 200watts or above) also?

thanks

The Dynes are at 210w, but even if you use 500w amps, they wont be damaged unless you crank em to excessive levels.

We mostly use class B or a/b amps w/c only give power when needed, so you dont really use up 500w (for example) all the time. The advantage of  more powerful amps are extra headroom for dynamics, w/c you will appreciate when you like to watch loud & also specially on demanding action scenes.

If your receiver lacks power for dynamic headroom, it translates to distortion and loss of certain details. The good thing about this is that not all people are sensitive to distortion.
Title: Re: receiver
Post by: highwayman on Mar 08, 2008 at 02:51 PM
If your receiver lacks power for dynamic headroom, it translates to distortion and loss of certain details. The good thing about this is that not all people are sensitive to distortion.



sir... what's a receiver that'd good enough that i don't have to worry that'll be obsolete in a short period? what are the current receivers that  are from onkyo and denon ? 605? 705? 805? or 2808? etc?
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: MAtZTER on Mar 10, 2008 at 12:29 PM
The best bets for now are the Onkyo 705 and the Denon 2808. That is, if you are going HD.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: golti on Mar 10, 2008 at 01:39 PM
The best bets for now are the Onkyo 705 and the Denon 2808. That is, if you are going HD.

sir, do you think when the 863 of Yamaha will give Onkyo's 705 a run for its money when it comes out locally?
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: MAtZTER on Mar 10, 2008 at 03:58 PM
Check out the chipset used. Yamaha usually changes their chipset on the 1000 series, but they have been shot up to a very high price level lately. The Onkyo 700's and Denon 2800's are the starting point of the higher decoder chipsets.

For now I think the 863's will be the equivalent of the Denon 2300's, same chips as the lower series but higher power.  But it may not be at par with the 705's. Just a hunch though, I may be wrong.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: highwayman on Mar 10, 2008 at 10:06 PM
Check out the chipset used. Yamaha usually changes their chipset on the 1000 series, but they have been shot up to a very high price level lately. The Onkyo 700's and Denon 2800's are the starting point of the higher decoder chipsets.




Thank you very much sir! ;D


whats' your take sir between the onkyo 700's and the denon 2800's ? in for HT use. (musicality? clarity?) not really for the features per se, but for the enjoyability while watching.

as i mentioned i have the 604 now, and was wondering if i should try denon naman, or maybe stick with the onkyo line?
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: audiojunkie on Mar 10, 2008 at 11:01 PM


Thank you very much sir! ;D


whats' your take sir between the onkyo 700's and the denon 2800's ? in for HT use. (musicality? clarity?) not really for the features per se, but for the enjoyability while watching.

as i mentioned i have the 604 now, and was wondering if i should try denon naman, or maybe stick with the onkyo line?


sir try the 2 models in your set-up... but the more deciding factor is to use external power amps... that you are missing in AVR's.  :D
Title: Re: receiver
Post by: audiojunkie on Mar 10, 2008 at 11:06 PM
The Dynes are at 210w, but even if you use 500w amps, they wont be damaged unless you crank em to excessive levels.

We mostly use class B or a/b amps w/c only give power when needed, so you dont really use up 500w (for example) all the time. The advantage of  more powerful amps are extra headroom for dynamics, w/c you will appreciate when you like to watch loud & also specially on demanding action scenes.

If your receiver lacks power for dynamic headroom, it translates to distortion and loss of certain details. The good thing about this is that not all people are sensitive to distortion.


Yes, Sir I agree with you... they didn't notice that the AVR is sounding constipated  when cranked-up, kala nila Okey lang yon...  ;D
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: MAtZTER on Mar 11, 2008 at 12:03 PM
whats' your take sir between the onkyo 700's and the denon 2800's ? in for HT use. (musicality? clarity?) not really for the features per se, but for the enjoyability while watching.

I have the Onkyo 705 and used to have the 2807 months ago. Both used w/ power amps so my evaluations are based on its processing abilities only, not the power section:

I find the 2807's 7.1 surround seamless and its a truly awesome surround sound experience. I never had my 6th & 7th channel this active before. But it lacks a bit of the detail & visceral impact that I got from other receivers.

Detail wise, the Onkyo w/c is more detailed. PQ is also top notch. Price is of good value. You have to adjust a few settings even after Audessy EQ though, cuz its a bit too loud & noisy. Surround performance is excellent but not as impressive as other receivers. (you cant have em all!)

Music wise, I find no lack in all the higher level receivers I have tried. All of them sound good for music, even my previous Yamaha 2500. Not as excellent as dedicated 2 channel setups, but for receivers they are not bad.

All observations are subjective.  :)  No fanboy attacks please.  joke :D
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: don on Mar 22, 2008 at 08:46 PM
parang sinusumpong ako ng HT Bug ulit hehehe..
thinking of upgrading my yam rxv-1200, i'm still happy with the SQ... however, i need hdmi for my HD setup. anung SRP ng Onkyo 705 sa atin? Tia. - Don
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: oReOsHaKe on Mar 22, 2008 at 09:04 PM
parang sinusumpong ako ng HT Bug ulit hehehe..
thinking of upgrading my yam rxv-1200, i'm still happy with the SQ... however, i need hdmi for my HD setup. anung SRP ng Onkyo 705 sa atin? Tia. - Don

45k dito sa tin..
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: don on Mar 23, 2008 at 12:44 AM
thanks oreo. :)
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: MAtZTER on Mar 24, 2008 at 10:46 AM
parang sinusumpong ako ng HT Bug ulit hehehe..
thinking of upgrading my yam rxv-1200, i'm still happy with the SQ... however, i need hdmi for my HD setup.

You can always plug your HD setup direct to display and use the analog inputs to handle the new HD formats if you are after HDMI alone. Since most HD players decode internally anyway.

However the Audessey EQ and Faroudja processing of the 705 (for 720p displays) are great upgrades.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: oReOsHaKe on Mar 24, 2008 at 01:43 PM
You can always plug your HD setup direct to display and use the analog inputs to handle the new HD formats if you are after HDMI alone. Since most HD players decode internally anyway.

However the Audessey EQ and Faroudja processing of the 705 (for 720p displays) are great upgrades.

Great and improved PQ with the Onkyo 705 talga.. When I set the upconversion to 720p, the grainy appearance during dark scenes disappeared completely on my 50" 720p native DLP TV.. This with component video connection pa lang..
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: jhelenz on Mar 24, 2008 at 01:49 PM
guys,newbie lng me nkita kc akong sale sa 5th ave. kenwood krf v6070d and teac ag10d.mejo lo budget pero ano b sugest nyo between d two
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: oReOsHaKe on Mar 24, 2008 at 02:03 PM
guys,newbie lng me nkita kc akong sale sa 5th ave. kenwood krf v6070d and teac ag10d.mejo lo budget pero ano b sugest nyo between d two

Teac AG-10D was the one I was using before I got the Onkyo 705.. It's a great receiver for entry level speakers.. It can't drive the mid level speakers that well.. It has no pre-outs if ever you want to add a power amp to drive mid-level speakers.. Can't comment on the Kenwood though..
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: don on Mar 24, 2008 at 02:17 PM
You can always plug your HD setup direct to display and use the analog inputs to handle the new HD formats if you are after HDMI alone. Since most HD players decode internally anyway.

However the Audessey EQ and Faroudja processing of the 705 (for 720p displays) are great upgrades.

Thanks Matz! Been thinking of the analog inputs too, if i get a stand alone BD player first (still expensive :( )... However the Faroudja processing is quite tempting, I'll be using it with my 720p projector too if i ever I get one.

Any idea if the 705 can amplify the HDMI signal? I'm using a 15-meter HDMI cable and according to the specs it can only do 1080i unless you connect a HDMI amp to get 1080p... tia :)

@Oreo

That's good news, I guess i won't need a DVD upscaler anymore right? :)
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: oReOsHaKe on Mar 24, 2008 at 02:22 PM
@Oreo

That's good news, I guess i won't need a DVD upscaler anymore right? :)

I guess so.. If you have a 720p display then you don't need an upscaler maybe..   :) :)
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: MAtZTER on Mar 24, 2008 at 03:06 PM
Any idea if the 705 can amplify the HDMI signal? I'm using a 15-meter HDMI cable and according to the specs it can only do 1080i unless you connect a HDMI amp to get 1080p... tia :)

@Oreo

That's good news, I guess i won't need a DVD upscaler anymore right? :)

According to the specs on the onkyo website, the 705 serves as a HDMI repeater.

http://www.us.onkyo.com/model.cfm?m=TX-SR705&class=Receiver&p=i

That's good news, I guess i won't need a DVD upscaler anymore right? :)

I tried it, double upscaling doesnt look nice. better let one do the job.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: jhelenz on Mar 24, 2008 at 04:13 PM
Teac AG-10D was the one I was using before I got the Onkyo 705.. It's a great receiver for entry level speakers.. It can't drive the mid level speakers that well.. It has no pre-outs if ever you want to add a power amp to drive mid-level speakers.. Can't comment on the Kenwood though..
tnx,apreciate ur comment.will it be compatible on jamo s406?i really dont trust some salesman dats why im looking for suggestions
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: don on Mar 24, 2008 at 08:59 PM
Bro Matz & Oreo,

thank very much for the replies... mukhang 705 na nga to :) thanks!
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: don on Apr 16, 2008 at 03:44 PM
Hi guys! I decided to just wait when the Onkyo 606 arrives.. then I will decide if i'll get a 705/875 or 606 (706?).
I am intrigued with the Audessy Dynamic EQ which is currently available on Denon 3808 up only. However, the Onkyo 606 have this one together with Auddessy 2EQ so i thought i'll wait this time... who knows the 875 might be a lil bit cheaper by then if won't need this new feature hehehe.
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Audyssey Dynamic EQ™ for Loudness Correction

Dynamic EQ solves the problem of deteriorating sound quality at lower volumes. The professionals who create music and movies do so at reference levels much louder than typical home listening levels. When volume is reduced on a standard home theater receiver, the bass disappears, voices change, and the surround soundstage becomes less enveloping. As volume is adjusted on an A/V receiver with Dynamic EQ, the best possible frequency response and surround levels are selected moment-by-moment. This results in an ideal listening experience at any volume level.

http://www.intl.onkyo.com/products/av_components/av_receivers/tx-sr606/index.html (http://www.intl.onkyo.com/products/av_components/av_receivers/tx-sr606/index.html)
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Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: streetsmart on Apr 16, 2008 at 03:57 PM
I am intrigued with the Audessy Dynamic EQ which is currently available on Denon 3808 up only.
However, the Onkyo 606 have this one together with Auddessy 2EQ.
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Audyssey Dynamic EQ™ for Loudness Correction

Dynamic EQ solves the problem of deteriorating sound quality at lower volumes. The professionals who create music and movies do so at reference levels much louder than typical home listening levels. When volume is reduced on a standard home theater receiver, the bass disappears, voices change, and the surround soundstage becomes less enveloping. As volume is adjusted on an A/V receiver with Dynamic EQ, the best possible frequency response and surround levels are selected moment-by-moment. This results in an ideal listening experience at any volume level.

http://www.intl.onkyo.com/products/av_components/av_receivers/tx-sr606/index.html (http://www.intl.onkyo.com/products/av_components/av_receivers/tx-sr606/index.html)

Forget about Dynamic EQ. Even if the AVR has that innate capability, it can be activated only by a qualified technician who inputs a special code. The reason is that you need a special microphone and training to activate it. This service is part of a package, which will also activate Audyssey MultEQ Pro and Dynamic Volume. Cost is $500.  ;D

The bigger problem is that in order to be a qualified technician, you need to attend a workshop conducted by Audyssey. To my knowledge, those workshops are conducted only in the US and Canada.

Sayang. Maganda nga kasi ang product.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: don on Apr 17, 2008 at 12:09 AM
I checked Audyssey.com for more info. Kasi nanghinayang ako sa features hehehe kung kailangan pa ng installer :)

Here's what i found:

For Installer ready amps -
http://www.audyssey.com/products/installer_ready.html (http://www.audyssey.com/products/installer_ready.html)

For consumer ready -
http://www.audyssey.com/products/consumer_ready.html (http://www.audyssey.com/products/consumer_ready.html)

I think the installer service is only required on
Audyssey Mult EQ Pro Feature that is found on high-end denons.

Onkyo is only listed on the consumer ready products. yippee!  ;D


Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: av_phile1 on Apr 17, 2008 at 01:01 AM
Yup, that's what I understand about Audyssey.  There's a consumer and an installer ready differentiation.  Installer ready products can benefit from the service of a certified installer to better achieve optimum MultiEQ results.  But both can be used by consumers.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: streetsmart on Apr 17, 2008 at 07:33 AM
Yup, that's what I understand about Audyssey.  There's a consumer and an installer ready differentiation.  Installer ready products can benefit from the service of a certified installer to better achieve optimum MultiEQ results.  But both can be used by consumers.

At this moment, a consumer can install Audyssey 2EQ, MultEQ and MultEQ XT, while only a qualified technician can install Audyssey MultEQ Pro, Dynamic Volume and Dynamic EQ.

Based on what the Audyssey Chief Technological Officer has stated, Dynamic Volume and Dynamic EQ could be installed by consumers if the microphones were improved. Presently, Audyssey is working with the microphone companies to produce a high-quality microphone that can be mass-produced. If they are successful, Dynamic Volume and Dynamic EQ may be installed by consumers. At the moment, all we can do is wait.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: pchin on Apr 17, 2008 at 08:01 AM
If they are successful, Dynamic Volume and Dynamic EQ may be installed by consumers. At the moment, all we can do is wait.

Will certainly upgrade to an AVR with this feature in future. Meantime, will wait for a while. :)
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: streetsmart on Apr 17, 2008 at 11:41 AM
At this moment, a consumer can install Audyssey 2EQ, MultEQ and MultEQ XT, while only a qualified technician can install Audyssey MultEQ Pro, Dynamic Volume and Dynamic EQ.

Based on what the Audyssey Chief Technological Officer has stated, Dynamic Volume and Dynamic EQ could be installed by consumers if the microphones were improved. Presently, Audyssey is working with the microphone companies to produce a high-quality microphone that can be mass-produced. If they are successful, Dynamic Volume and Dynamic EQ may be installed by consumers. At the moment, all we can do is wait.


I just got a response from Audyssey, confirming this, with one exception: The Denon AVP-A1HD and the 5308 come with Dynamic EQ that is enabled after you run the built-in version of MultEQ XT. Each one costs only around USD7000.  ;D

They said they will modify the info on their website because it is confusing.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: streetsmart on May 30, 2008 at 05:32 PM
The update here is that the new Denon models, including the 2809, now include Dynamic Volume and Dynamic EQ and they may be activated by the user. No need for a professional technician.

Bili na!  ;D
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: milken on Jun 23, 2008 at 08:07 PM
Hi guys! I decided to just wait when the Onkyo 606 arrives.. then I will decide if i'll get a 705/875 or 606 (706?).
I am intrigued with the Audessy Dynamic EQ which is currently available on Denon 3808 up only. However, the Onkyo 606 have this one together with Auddessy 2EQ so i thought i'll wait this time... who knows the 875 might be a lil bit cheaper by then if won't need this new feature hehehe.

Any news when Onkyo 606 will be available here? I'm planning to get a receiver soon.  If there's any importer/distributor of Onkyo products reading this, pm me.  :D
Title: What receiver can best drive my B&W 603 s2?
Post by: val_yamaha on Jun 30, 2008 at 11:04 AM
I'm looking for a receiver that can maximize my 603 s2. My budget is 18-25k.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: milken on Jul 05, 2008 at 12:08 AM
Stocks of Onkyo 606 are coming!  This weekend or early next week daw darating mga stocks. Some stores I've asked are accepting pre-orders na. Yipee, I'm glad I didn't buy 605 and waited for it.. or should I get 705 instead?! Or wait for 706 (no news yet in Onkyo's website). Ang hirap naman magdecide ???
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: streetsmart on Jul 05, 2008 at 02:05 PM
Stocks of Onkyo 606 are coming!  This weekend or early next week daw darating mga stocks. Some stores I've asked are accepting pre-orders na. Yipee, I'm glad I didn't buy 605 and waited for it.. or should I get 705 instead?! Or wait for 706 (no news yet in Onkyo's website). Ang hirap naman magdecide ???

There are reports in AVS Forum that there are some problems with Onkyo 606, with respect to Audyssey Dynamic Volume. There is a hum in the speakers when it is activated. Onkyo has accepted that there is a bug but there is still no fix.

Just a heads-up. Might be better to wait till they fix the bugs.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: milken on Jul 05, 2008 at 03:09 PM
Thanks for the heads up streetsmart.  I hope Onkyo will address these issues.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: kulimo on Jul 18, 2008 at 11:29 PM
There are reports in AVS Forum that there are some problems with Onkyo 606, with respect to Audyssey Dynamic Volume. There is a hum in the speakers when it is activated. Onkyo has accepted that there is a bug but there is still no fix.

Just a heads-up. Might be better to wait till they fix the bugs.

The 606 has no Audessey Dynamic Volume, sa ngayon ang mga bagong  Denons (AVR- xxx09) lang an meron niyan.  Although there are lots of people experiencing the hum it is nothing related to Audessey.

Read here for products na merong Audessey:

http://www.audyssey.com/products/index.html (http://www.audyssey.com/products/index.html)
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: streetsmart on Jul 18, 2008 at 11:47 PM
The 606 has no Audessey Dynamic Volume, sa ngayon ang mga bagong  Denons (AVR- xxx09) lang an meron niyan.  Although there are lots of people experiencing the hum it is nothing related to Audessey.

Yes, you may be right. Audyssey has 2 new products - Dynamic Volume and Dynamic EQ. Maybe, Onkyo has only Dynamic EQ.

There is a hum that is directly related to Audyssey. When Dynamic EQ is on, the hum is there. When it is off, nawawala ang hum. However, it appears that the bug is not caused by Audyssey but the Onkyo hardware. Apparently, it also appears only in very specific situations.

Bottom-line is that I'm not sure how serious the problem is but there is a problem for sure.
Title: Q
Post by: kulimo on Jul 19, 2008 at 08:58 AM
Yes, you may be right. Audyssey has 2 new products - Dynamic Volume and Dynamic EQ. Maybe, Onkyo has only Dynamic EQ.

There is a hum that is directly related to Audyssey. When Dynamic EQ is on, the hum is there. When it is off, nawawala ang hum. However, it appears that the bug is not caused by Audyssey but the Onkyo hardware. Apparently, it also appears only in very specific situations.

Bottom-line is that I'm not sure how serious the problem is but there is a problem for sure.

Actually they (Audessey) has 3 new products in addition to the EQ (2EQ, Multi EQ and  Multi EQ  XT) and the 2 you mentioned they have also BassXT (http://www.audyssey.com/technology/bassXT.html).  See the link for more info on BassXT.   Unfortunately no products in market use (yet) BassXT.

TX-SR606 has 2EQ only and Dynamic EQ.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: lakambini on Aug 12, 2008 at 11:40 AM
Stocks of Onkyo 606 are coming!  This weekend or early next week daw darating mga stocks. Some stores I've asked are accepting pre-orders na. Yipee, I'm glad I didn't buy 605 and waited for it.. or should I get 705 instead?! Or wait for 706 (no news yet in Onkyo's website). Ang hirap naman magdecide ???

sir milken,

sir am in the same predicament, want the 606 because of its affordability unfortunately no pre-outs,  should i go for the 706 -  ok sana kaya lang as usual siguradong mahal ito initially.  Naka-pag-decide n b u wat avr to get?
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: milken on Aug 14, 2008 at 01:10 AM
sir milken,

sir am in the same predicament, want the 606 because of its affordability unfortunately no pre-outs,  should i go for the 706 -  ok sana kaya lang as usual siguradong mahal ito initially.  Naka-pag-decide n b u wat avr to get?

According to the AV shops I asked, 706 would probably sell more or less in the same range as 705 now (around P40T+ SRP less the usual 10% discount).  The 606 now sells more or less around the same price range as 605 before.  So estimate, around P10T price diff. from 606.  Based on my research, mas okay talaga kung may pre-outs for future upgrade unless you don't plan to (you'll never know).  It really depends on your budget, how much you are willing to stretch it and how much you are willing to pay for a certain improvement in sound quality.  ;D

If you are not in a hurry, I suggest you wait til the last quarter of the year when most of the 2008 receivers are in the market or at least the specs are available/known.  Yearly pala naglalabas ng bagong receiver models ang Onkyo at Denon.  Onkyo is rolling out its 06 series (706 and 806 are coming soon) while Denon is also rolling out its 09 series (you can check the specs of 1909, 2309 and 2809 in Denon website).  Denon receivers as low as 1909, around the same price range of Onkyo 606, can now decode HD lossless format (last year only 2808 can do that).  Denon 1909 may hit the Philippine market sometime this September.  So it might worth a consideration along with 606.  Finally, one important lesson I learned: make sure the receiver matches with the speaker you desire, or vice versa. 

Ang hirap talaga pumili at maghintay! There'll surely be something better that will come out later.  Because of the long wait and arduous research for the best receiver (which I doubt there is), I decided not to buy Onkyo or Denon and settled for Rotel separates, the best match for B&W 680 series speakers.  I returned/exchanged my Wharfedale speakers after I learned it's not the best match for Onkyo (my first choice before).  In looking for replacement, I auditioned some known speaker brands and chose B&W.  Then I decided on Rotel.  Sa kaka-audition ko, sobrang na-stretch tuloy budget ko. hehehe ;D  Moral lesson: audition only those within your budget and stick to it.  What you don't know won't tempt you. :D :D :D  Good luck sir!
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: lakambini on Aug 14, 2008 at 05:47 PM
According to the AV shops I asked, 706 would probably sell more or less in the same range as 705 now (around P40T+ SRP less the usual 10% discount).  The 606 now sells more or less around the same price range as 605 before.  So estimate, around P10T price diff. from 606.  Based on my research, mas okay talaga kung may pre-outs for future upgrade unless you don't plan to (you'll never know).  It really depends on your budget, how much you are willing to stretch it and how much you are willing to pay for a certain improvement in sound quality.  ;D

If you are not in a hurry, I suggest you wait til the last quarter of the year when most of the 2008 receivers are in the market or at least the specs are available/known.  Yearly pala naglalabas ng bagong receiver models ang Onkyo at Denon.  Onkyo is rolling out its 06 series (706 and 806 are coming soon) while Denon is also rolling out its 09 series (you can check the specs of 1909, 2309 and 2809 in Denon website).  Denon receivers as low as 1909, around the same price range of Onkyo 606, can now decode HD lossless format (last year only 2808 can do that).  Denon 1909 may hit the Philippine market sometime this September.  So it might worth a consideration along with 606.  Finally, one important lesson I learned: make sure the receiver matches with the speaker you desire, or vice versa. 

Ang hirap talaga pumili at maghintay! There'll surely be something better that will come out later.  Because of the long wait and arduous research for the best receiver (which I doubt there is), I decided not to buy Onkyo or Denon and settled for Rotel separates, the best match for B&W 680 series speakers.  I returned/exchanged my Wharfedale speakers after I learned it's not the best match for Onkyo (my first choice before).  In looking for replacement, I auditioned some known speaker brands and chose B&W.  Then I decided on Rotel.  Sa kaka-audition ko, sobrang na-stretch tuloy budget ko. hehehe ;D  Moral lesson: audition only those within your budget and stick to it.  What you don't know won't tempt you. :D :D :D  Good luck sir!

Sir

ur right sir, kc presently my ht set-up is onkyo 494 matched with wharfedale diamond 8 system, mismatch talaga as in kulang sa detail.  AS OF NOW, am keen on upgrading to 706 or denon 1909.  Am considering the 1909, though less powerful than the 706, is because of its affordability and pre-outs.  BUT if their price difference is less than 10k, then might get the 706 .   Sir, what would be the ideal partner-speakers for both denon and onkyo?  Am more into music and got to watch a movie only during weekends.  Please recommend.  Thanks.   Sir what rotel separates are u using?  And what made decide to go into separates?
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: milken on Aug 16, 2008 at 12:05 PM
Instead of upgrading to Onkyo 706 or Denon 1909, how about keeping your Wharfe speakers and getting a Yamaha receiver (+ power amplifier), which is said to be the best match for Wharfedale speakers.  Check out Yamaha RX-V663 http://www.yamaha.com/yec/products/productdetail.html?CNTID=567571&CTID=5000300 (http://www.yamaha.com/yec/products/productdetail.html?CNTID=567571&CTID=5000300).  It's cheaper than Onkyo 605/606. It can decode lossless HD audio format, uses Bur Brown DACS, and the best thing is it has pre-outs.  This was not available in stores last month. Sabi August daw darating.  Or check out its higher model but not so new RX-V1800. Parang hindi sulit ang RX-V863, almost same specs as RX-V663 but with video upscaling only.

Am considering the 1909, though less powerful than the 706, is because of its affordability and pre-outs. 

Based on Denon's website, 1909 does not have pre-outs (pre-out for subs only).  2309 also doesn't have pre-outs (sub only).  Only 2809 and up have pre-outs for all channels.

Sir, what would be the ideal partner-speakers for both denon and onkyo?  Am more into music and got to watch a movie only during weekends.  Please recommend.  Thanks.   

Naku po, I'm not an expert on best match speaker-receiver so I can't give a good recommendation.  Maybe other senior PDVD members can post their experiences.  :) Based on what I've read (not experience), okay daw Monitor Audio, B&W, Paradigm, Mission sa Denon while B&W okay sa Onkyo.  I've auditioned B&W 683, 684 and 685 with Denon 1908 and Onkyo 606. Almost same na good match sila, mas musical ang Denon ng konti at mas open/wide sounds ng Onkyo ng konti.  So better do the audition yourself.  :)

Sir what rotel separates are u using?  And what made decide to go into separates?

I got Rotel RSP 1066 and RMB 1075. The latest Rotel pre-pro RSP 1069 doesn't decode lossless audio HD format...besides ang mahal (~100T - cheaper pa ang Onkyo 875/Denon 3808)!  :o  Mas okay yung future-proof na receiver/pre-pro na para iwas SARS... hehehe :D  So wait and see muna ng bagong Onkyo/Denon receiver or Rotel pre-pro.  Separates - for better sound quality than all-in-one receivers.  ;D  ;D  ;D
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: lakambini on Aug 19, 2008 at 11:06 AM
sir milken

thanks sa advice, for the last two years i have been very eager to acquire a new receiver, but as advised by our fellow pdvd-ers ,  have to wait for a bunch of avrs with the latest hd-codecs.

patience is indeed a virtue, haay so many models to choose from, sir, if i may ask which of the following avrs has the best pre-amp circuitry: yamaha 863, denon 2808 or onkyo 706?

 
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: milken on Aug 21, 2008 at 09:22 AM
sir milken

thanks sa advice, for the last two years i have been very eager to acquire a new receiver, but as advised by our fellow pdvd-ers ,  have to wait for a bunch of avrs with the latest hd-codecs.

patience is indeed a virtue, haay so many models to choose from, sir, if i may ask which of the following avrs has the best pre-amp circuitry: yamaha 863, denon 2808 or onkyo 706?

 

They are not of the same league.  Denon 2808 costs around P60T compared to P36-37T for Onkyo 705 (probably same price for 706 too).    ;D
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: borgsm1 on Aug 22, 2008 at 11:40 PM
Mga sirs purely hypothetical question lang po...

Interisado kasi ako dun sa mga full-range na speakers yun bay galing sa diyaudio na mga projects.
Yung mga double horn.

Sabi nga nila ang lakas ng mga full-range na horn kahit mababa lang ang rms ng amplifier mo e ok na yun. Sabi ng pinsan ko na may experience sa project na yun ang sarap daw pakinggan nung full-range lalo na sa jazz at classical at mababa lang daw yung RMS at nakahina pa yung amplifier niya e ang lakas na.

Ako naman ang trip ko e jazz, rock, alternative rock, at r & b. Gusto ko rin ng HT pero hindi masyadong mahalaga yun pinakamahalaga e maganda sa music.


Isa kasi sa plano ko e gamitin muna yung mga speakers na galing sa mini-component namin na sony. Nahingi ko rin kasi yung kaparehas na speaker nung sa tito ko ng iwan yun ng nanakaw yung component nila. dalawa kasi yung left right na speaker at dalawang maliit na surround, kaya ang plano e pansamantagal na yung front left, front right at center ay yung malalaking speaker tapos yung apat na surround e yung maliliit.

Tapos pagkanakaipon e bibili ng tatlong fullrange at yun ang gagawing FL, FR at C, tapos yung surround e yung malalaki na galing sa sony.

At ihuhuli kong ipundar yung surround na fullrange.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: yakisoba on Sep 09, 2008 at 03:09 PM
Sir i'm planning to get a AV Receiver & speaker soon and I don't know what to buy ....

Basta here are my criteria:

I play a lot of Video Games (360, PS3) 
I think a HDMI input is necessary for future upgarde
I watch a lot of movies
5.1 setup is ok. 
Budget: at least 20k (meron ba?)

So what's your ideal AV Receiver and speaker ... I'm moving in a CONDO so di masyado maingay dapat baka magalit yung mga kapitbhay.

My current receiver lang kasi is the LOGITECH Z680 (5.1 THX Certified Speakers)  - - and it's been with me for5 years na - - i think it's time to upgrade my audio setup. 


Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: blued888 on Sep 09, 2008 at 03:21 PM
Sir i'm planning to get a AV Receiver & speaker soon and I don't know what to buy ....

Basta here are my criteria:

I play a lot of Video Games (360, PS3) 
I think a HDMI input is necessary for future upgarde
I watch a lot of movies
5.1 setup is ok. 
Budget: at least 20k (meron ba?)

So what's your ideal AV Receiver and speaker ... I'm moving in a CONDO so di masyado maingay dapat baka magalit yung mga kapitbhay.

My current receiver lang kasi is the LOGITECH Z680 (5.1 THX Certified Speakers)  - - and it's been with me for5 years na - - i think it's time to upgrade my audio setup.

HTIB lang ata ang pasok sa budget na 20k. Separate purchases ba ang gusto mo or all-in-one (HTIB)?
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: yakisoba on Sep 10, 2008 at 12:40 PM
i'm planning separte  eh - the 20k is for the amplifier lang sir   the speaker costs are separate.   
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: milken on Sep 10, 2008 at 01:37 PM
i'm planning separte  eh - the 20k is for the amplifier lang sir   the speaker costs are separate.   

I saw someone selling pre-owned Onkyo 605 for P20T at the Marketplace. Ayos ito. :)

What speakers are you looking at?  Mas maganda kung match yung receiver and speakers.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: nogie on Sep 10, 2008 at 09:18 PM
I saw someone selling pre-owned Onkyo 605 for P20T at the Marketplace. Ayos ito. :)

What speakers are you looking at?  Mas maganda kung match yung receiver and speakers.

Hi Milken,

I was the one who just recently sold my 2 mos. old Onkyo for 20k. I sold the Onkyo not because I dont want it. I was reading your thread & i'd realized I was in the same ordeal (3 mos. ago)of contemplating what kind of receiver would best fit my listening/viewing preference. I decided to get the Onkyo 605 because of its capability to decode lossy formats & price is pretty much reasonable compared to other brands of same features. Honestly, I dont hear a significant difference of the lossy formats compared to standard audios from dvds, that kept me wondering what high-end receivers would sound if played with my wharfe 9 series speakers. Im so crazy thinking about it that I ended up buying a Denon 3806 for $829 in the amazon marketplace & HK 3390 from wowdeals4unow. One piece of advise, buy the best receiver that you can afford otherwise, magkakaSARS ka! Trust me man, PDVDs SARS disease is so CONTAGIOUS!!! I own my first HT last 2001, ONKYO 484 & it lasted for 7 years without any thoughts of replacing it. That completely changed when I started hanging out in this community, Biro mo kabibili ko lang last June 30 benenta ko agad after 2 mos. ??? ??? Hehehe... When my denon arrives I will request our office IT administrator to block the PDVD site para hindi na ako makapag browse at para maCURE na SARS ko!!! ;D ;D
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: milken on Sep 10, 2008 at 11:05 PM
I decided to get the Onkyo 605 because of its capability to decode lossy formats & price is pretty much reasonable compared to other brands of same features. Honestly, I dont hear a significant difference of the lossy formats compared to standard audios from dvds,

I don't think one can hear any difference in Onkyo 605 (and other receivers which can decode lossless audio format) if the source is only DVD, which is encoded in lossy formats (e.g. Dolby Digital and DTS).  Onkyo 605 can decode lossless format but only if:
(1) your source is encoded in lossless audio format (e.g. DTS-HD, TrueHD, etc.) found in Bluray and HD DVD discs; AND
(2) you have a player that can bitstream/pass through raw audio data for Onkyo 605 to decode. 
Without these two conditions, one cannot take advantage of the internal decoding abilities of these new receivers. 

So if you don't intend to buy bluray players anytime soon capable of sending lossless audio via bitstream for the receiver to decode, then the new receivers capable of decoding lossless format are not really a must "upgrade" if you already own a receiver.  They are good for future-proofing lang.  But even with old receivers which can't decode lossless audio format (like Denon 3806), you can still enjoy the superior sound quality of DTS-HD, TrueHD, etc. if your bluray player (PS3 included) can internally decode the disc's lossless audio format.  The receiver doesn't decode/process anything but only receives the sound signal and amplify it to your speakers.

I'm not in a hurry to replace my surround processor with these new receivers since I don't plan to buy a bluray player anytime soon.  And even if I buy one, I would probably pick PS3.  But then PS3 can internally decode lossless audio format.  So with more reason I shouldn't be in a hurry to get these new receivers.  But when one is buying his first receiver, better pick the newest and latest ones syempre para iwas SARS.  ;)

I sold the Onkyo not because I dont want it. I was reading your thread & i'd realized I was in the same ordeal (3 mos. ago)of contemplating what kind of receiver would best fit my listening/viewing preference.....that kept me wondering what high-end receivers would sound if played with my wharfe 9 series speakers. Im so crazy thinking about it that I ended up buying a Denon 3806 for $829 in the amazon marketplace & HK 3390 from wowdeals4unow.

Naku po. Please don't blame me for infecting you with SARS.. :(  Reading other people's reviews is just that.  But you still have to audition the system and decide with your own ears. Don't let others sway you... pangontra SARS yan! :)  For me, it's more important to find a good speaker-receiver match.  Secondary na yung price.  But of course, I agree with you.  It's a general rule that high-end receivers sound better because they have more audiophile-grade components on them.  :D

Enjoy your latest acquisitions. :D
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: yakisoba on Sep 11, 2008 at 12:30 AM
sir if i go for an ONKYO 605 .. what's a good set of speakers to match it up? Warfdale? B&W?
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: nogie on Sep 11, 2008 at 09:36 AM
I don't think one can hear any difference in Onkyo 605 (and other receivers which can decode lossless audio format) if the source is only DVD, which is encoded in lossy formats (e.g. Dolby Digital and DTS).  Onkyo 605 can decode lossless format but only if:
(1) your source is encoded in lossless audio format (e.g. DTS-HD, TrueHD, etc.) found in Bluray and HD DVD discs; AND
(2) you have a player that can bitstream/pass through raw audio data for Onkyo 605 to decode. 
Without these two conditions, one cannot take advantage of the internal decoding abilities of these new receivers. 

So if you don't intend to buy bluray players anytime soon capable of sending lossless audio via bitstream for the receiver to decode, then the new receivers capable of decoding lossless format are not really a must "upgrade" if you already own a receiver.  They are good for future-proofing lang.  But even with old receivers which can't decode lossless audio format (like Denon 3806), you can still enjoy the superior sound quality of DTS-HD, TrueHD, etc. if your bluray player (PS3 included) can internally decode the disc's lossless audio format.  The receiver doesn't decode/process anything but only receives the sound signal and amplify it to your speakers.


 

I owned two players that can decode lossy formats (PS3 & Toshiba HD-DVD A3) and got bunch of Blu-ray disc & even acquired a dts-MA audio sampler from ryan028. In-fact Im starting to sell some of my blu-ray dics (look where the scam in hi-def started). Just the same I dont hear a significant difference between lossy codecs & standard dvds. I picked Den0n 3806 because the PS3 can internally decode lossy codecs and can pass on as multichannel signal tru LPCM, I can still get the lossy signal w/o my receiver decoding it.

 ;D ;D
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: milken on Sep 11, 2008 at 01:56 PM
I owned two players that can decode lossy formats (PS3 & Toshiba HD-DVD A3) and got bunch of Blu-ray disc & even acquired a dts-MA audio sampler from ryan028. In-fact Im starting to sell some of my blu-ray dics (look where the scam in hi-def started). Just the same I dont hear a significant difference between lossy codecs & standard dvds. I picked Den0n 3806 because the PS3 can internally decode lossy codecs and can pass on as multichannel signal tru LPCM, I can still get the lossy signal w/o my receiver decoding it.

 ;D ;D

If I'm not mistaken lossless audio format ang meron sa bluray while lossy yung dvds.  :)  Good choice on the high end Denon 3806 receiver. $829 is a good buy!  The current 3808 and upcoming 3809 are expensive, and may contain some features you don't need in the meantime since your players can decode lossless format na.  Importante happy ka sa HT setup. ;D 
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: nogie on Sep 11, 2008 at 03:44 PM
If I'm not mistaken lossless audio format ang meron sa bluray while lossy yung dvds.  :)  Good choice on the high end Denon 3806 receiver. $829 is a good buy!  The current 3808 and upcoming 3809 are expensive, and may contain some features you don't need in the meantime since your players can decode lossless format na.  Importante happy ka sa HT setup. ;D 

True enough! AVRs are like celphones that you buy today at high price & loss half of its value tomorrow :). I was thinking that two years from now the MSRP of the 3809 will drop down significantly & who knows I'm now ready to let go of the aging 3806 that time :).

Cheers!! :) :)
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: brightfame on Oct 06, 2008 at 02:21 PM
can anyone suggest an AVR for me in the 15k-20k range.

I have an htpc setup with auzen xplosion sound card http://www.auzentech.com/site/products/x-plosion.php (http://www.auzentech.com/site/products/x-plosion.php) so i will be using optical or coaxial out and into receiver. Right now I only need 5.1 setup, but i guess 6.1 in the future would be good too.

I'm not really looking for cutting edge technology, since I can connect dvi/hdmi straight to the lcd tv and sound card can handle decoding. I was looking into just getting something to amplify speakers since the card can decode dolby digital and dts, but from reading threads I think it might be better to get a receiver (am i right or wrong?)

any advice appreciated

Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: teemto on Oct 20, 2008 at 06:55 PM
Brightfame, you may want to look into reviews of the Logitech Z-5500, a speaker set that can handle 5.1 that's THX certified... I'm not sure if it's a good substitute for a high-end amp and speakers, but I currently use this set on my HTPC with a Creative card and play blu-ray sound-- on powerdvd or arcsoft theater-- decoded off onto analog outputs... and i'm quite happy with the results for the price, which is within your budget.

if you use the analog outputs, you still have a coaxial and/or optical spdif that you can use to connect another component.

You can probably find it at your friendly neighborhood logitech salesman--in greenhills vmall or someplace similar.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: marcyao on Oct 23, 2008 at 10:45 PM
any feedback on the hk avr 245? :)
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: r_Y_@_n on Oct 24, 2008 at 12:54 AM
any feedback on the hk avr 245? :)

hi sir! im currently using an HK245 to power up my JAMO A102 HCS5 (sub/sat combo) which are very small speakers, for me its performing really well. i know it has enough power to even power FS and BS speakers. it also has pre-outs for power amp upgrades in the future.  :)

as for the features, its ok naman together with the EZset feature, although after running it, i still need to tweak it a bit. but after that, it sounds really great in my very small room.  :)

HTH!  ;)
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: reg52777 on Nov 05, 2008 at 06:52 PM
Hi guys,

Need your help in choosing an AV receiver.  It's my first set up and want to do it correctly and economically  :)

I'll be using a PS3 as my blu-ray player, and would like to bring out its best sound quality based on my budget.  I'll be putting it in a small room around 10sqm.

My budget would be around 25-30k.   :)

Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: r_Y_@_n on Nov 07, 2008 at 12:23 AM
Hi guys,

Need your help in choosing an AV receiver.  It's my first set up and want to do it correctly and economically  :)

I'll be using a PS3 as my blu-ray player, and would like to bring out its best sound quality based on my budget.  I'll be putting it in a small room around 10sqm.

My budget would be around 25-30k.   :)



for that price range, and since you will be your PS3 as a BD player, you might want to add a couple of thousand and get yourself the denon 1909. just my suggestion though.  ;)  our gurus might be able to give you some more suggestions. HTH!  :D
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: reg52777 on Nov 07, 2008 at 10:04 PM
for that price range, and since you will be your PS3 as a BD player, you might want to add a couple of thousand and get yourself the denon 1909. just my suggestion though.  ;)  our gurus might be able to give you some more suggestions. HTH!  :D

Thank r_Y_@_n  :) Just bought a 1909, i'm trying to configure Dolby True HD and other features  :)
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: r_Y_@_n on Nov 08, 2008 at 07:24 AM
Thank r_Y_@_n  :) Just bought a 1909, i'm trying to configure Dolby True HD and other features  :)

congratulations sir! great receiver!  :D
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: mikevg08 on Nov 12, 2008 at 12:32 PM
good morning mga sir, question lang po regarding receiver and surround connection, masisira po ba yung receiver ko na may minimum speaker input na 6 ohms kung kakabitan ko ng surround speakers na 4ohms? thanks po  ;)
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: jojitv on Nov 12, 2008 at 12:37 PM
Thank r_Y_@_n  :) Just bought a 1909, i'm trying to configure Dolby True HD and other features  :)

Congrats on your new receiver sir. I got one myself. Haven't tried HD audio yet since I'm still waiting for my BD player. ;D
Title: Recommend a receiver
Post by: afterglow on Nov 18, 2008 at 12:51 PM
I'm about ready to retire a DD/DTS Harman receiver and get a newer receiver.  I use an external amp so amp power and quality aren't  important for me but pre-outs for L/R/C at the very least is a must.  I want all the latest formats and of course, HDMI.  Price is the biggest factor since I'm also upgrading the video end of my system as well.

Any recommendations??
Title: Re: Recommend a receiver
Post by: avshop on Nov 18, 2008 at 02:00 PM
i can offer you the denon 2309 and 2809. both have 7.1 pre outs and has the new HD audio formats. the 2309 is 41.5k and the 2809 is 60k. :)
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: NikkoPH on Jan 14, 2009 at 11:13 PM
mga boss can anyone recommend an entry level AV receiver within 10K - 15K siguro, im not looking for a complex receiver since im only renting in a apt i cant really go LOUD  ;D and besides our living room is not really that huge around 15-20 SQM lang yata un. i prefer something that can decode DTS ofcourse

thanks so much!
Title: Which receiver to choose from?
Post by: bekoy on Jan 20, 2009 at 05:17 PM
Hi guys! I need your  suggestions on what receiver to choose for the wharfedale diamond 9series. thanks! Is it marantz, yamaha, onkyo or denon?
Title: Re: Which receiver to choose from?
Post by: defjam on Jan 20, 2009 at 07:02 PM
based on our gurus who have the diamond 9 series, denon and yamaha will be a perfect match for the wharfes.  i personally own an onkyo receiver and did not like the onkyo-wharfe combi when i auditioned it. :)
Title: Re: Which receiver to choose from?
Post by: avshop on Jan 20, 2009 at 07:03 PM
i suggest the denon. i can give you good deals on the denon models. :)
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: hammer0412 on Jan 23, 2009 at 09:07 PM
AV Shop, please PM me the price and model of your entry level and mid level Denon AVR's. Thank you!
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: blued888 on Jan 23, 2009 at 09:35 PM
mga boss can anyone recommend an entry level AV receiver within 10K - 15K siguro, im not looking for a complex receiver since im only renting in a apt i cant really go LOUD  ;D and besides our living room is not really that huge around 15-20 SQM lang yata un. i prefer something that can decode DTS ofcourse

thanks so much!

Yamaha RX-V363 nasa 15k ata. :)
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: avshop on Jan 25, 2009 at 12:35 AM
AV Shop, please PM me the price and model of your entry level and mid level Denon AVR's. Thank you!

pm sent. :)
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: hammer0412 on Jan 27, 2009 at 07:05 AM
PM received!  ;D
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: WhoKilledMrP on Feb 11, 2009 at 03:38 PM
I'm a newbie planning to get an AV Receiver, but am currently limited by existing speakers (which was an uneducated, impulsive buy).

The speakers are 45 watts and have an impedance of 6 ohms. I have kept reading that wattage shouldn't be a major concern and that i should be more mindful of getting a receiver with same or higher impedance. I've also read advice that it is alright for speaker wattage to be higher than receiver per channel output wattage as speakers generally are not meant to be used at full power anyway.

My concern is that most receivers i've seen have an output of 50Wpc or more. If I use my 6ohm, 45W speakers with a receiver that outputs 50Wpc at or more at 8ohms, will i (irreparably) damage my speakers, or is this an acceptable setup?

Would appreciate any advice anyone can give. If I sound like an idiot or don't make sense, I'm ready to be corrected.  :) 
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: markcrenz on Feb 11, 2009 at 10:27 PM
I'm a newbie planning to get an AV Receiver, but am currently limited by existing speakers (which was an uneducated, impulsive buy).

The speakers are 45 watts and have an impedance of 6 ohms. I have kept reading that wattage shouldn't be a major concern and that i should be more mindful of getting a receiver with same or higher impedance.
if your speaker impedance is lower than the amp's, it will draw more current/power from the amp. there is a danger of damaging either the speaker or amp at high volumes. no danger when playing at low to moderate levels.

I've also read advice that it is alright for speaker wattage to be higher than receiver per channel output wattage as speakers generally are not meant to be used at full power anyway.
it's the other way around. it is much easier to destroy a speaker with a low-powered amp at clipping levels than with a high-powered amp delivering clean power a little over the rated power of the speaker.

My concern is that most receivers i've seen have an output of 50Wpc or more. If I use my 6ohm, 45W speakers with a receiver that outputs 50Wpc at or more at 8ohms, will i (irreparably) damage my speakers, or is this an acceptable setup?
this is acceptable as long as you don't overdrive the speakers. moderate listening levels lang muna. if you want to listen louder you can use a sub and raise the receiver's crossover point to one octave above the lowest frequency of the small speakers. ex. if your speakers' frequency response is 40hz to 20khz, the crossover point should be set at 40hz X 2 = 80hz. you can safely play the system louder as long as your sub can keep up. remember that it takes less power to amplify high frequency signals (midrange, treble) than low frequencies (bass).

Would appreciate any advice anyone can give. If I sound like an idiot or don't make sense, I'm ready to be corrected.  :)

should you decide to upgrade your speakers, start with the fronts, center and finally the surrounds. much better if you can upgrade the fronts and center all at once. speakers should be timbre matched. *google*

and don't worry, you don't sound like an idiot...  ;)
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: WhoKilledMrP on Feb 12, 2009 at 07:19 AM
^^^

Thanks a lot, mark. Much appreciated!
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: WhoKilledMrP on Feb 13, 2009 at 08:09 AM
Hey guys. Need help again. I keep getting conflicting advice regarding pre-amp out connections for receivers. I'm considering getting a Yamaha  RXV 640, but was advised my stand-alone speaker-amplifier system will not work unless I directly connect the speakers. (I've decided not to risk connecting the speakers to the receiver directly as they only have a 50Wpc @ 6 ohm maximum.)

Now, the only input for 5.1 sound of my existing speaker-amplifier system is through an analog/RCA connection. If I connect the 5.1 inputs of my speaker-amp to the pre-out of the RXV 640 (pictured below), is there any reason, assuming that both devices are working, that this won't work/produce sound? Do you foresee any problems?

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v283/toby_palabyab/YamahaRXV640Rear-Pre-amp.jpg)   
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: markcrenz on Feb 13, 2009 at 09:13 AM
now you're beginning to sound like an idiot.  ;D ;D ;D
why would you buy a receiver if you are going to use only the pre-outs and connect it to a less powerful speaker system? ??? the reason yamaha or other manufacturers install pre-outs on their receivers is for the user to be able to connect it to better and/or louder amps.

btw you may want to read this if you want to learn more about speaker/amp matching:
http://www.crownaudio.com/amp_htm/amp_info/how_much_power.htm
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: WhoKilledMrP on Feb 13, 2009 at 09:33 AM
now you're beginning to sound like an idiot.  ;D ;D ;D
why would you buy a receiver if you are going to use only the pre-outs and connect it to a less powerful speaker system? ??? the reason yamaha or other manufacturers install pre-outs on their receivers is for the user to be able to connect it to better and/or louder amps.

btw you may want to read this if you want to learn more about speaker/amp matching:
http://www.crownaudio.com/amp_htm/amp_info/how_much_power.htm

Ok! Thanks for clarifying, mark!  :)

I get that the setup I'm proposing is (a lot) less than ideal, but this is the most cost-efficient way that I can get 5.1 sound right now. Since I'm limited by the inputs of the speaker-amp and don't want to spend on new speakers right now, I'm just looking for a receiver that will work with what I have. That's also the reason why I'm not spending more money on a new receiver that has more future-proof features.

Ideally, in the not-so-distant-future, I can dispose of the speaker-amplifier and build a HT/audio system that I can be proud of.  But right now, the sound it produces is adequate for the room and my ears, so I might as well make the most of it.

So, again, even given that it's not an ideal or efficient setup, will it work or not?
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: raptor on Feb 13, 2009 at 10:11 AM
Sir,

It may be better if you will post the exact brand and model number of your speakers ... from what i'm reading, it seems that your speakers are 5.1 PC speakers .... what are the input ports of your speakers - besides the RCA's, is there an spdif (digital coax or optical input)?

If those are just PC speakers, I wouldn't recommend connecting those to an AVR - even entry-level AVR's.  It would be best for you to purchase another set of speakers for the AVR if you really want to get one ....if there are budget constraints, you can start with two speakers, then just add the center, rear, and sub when you have the budget.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: WhoKilledMrP on Feb 13, 2009 at 11:01 AM
Sir,

It may be better if you will post the exact brand and model number of your speakers ... from what i'm reading, it seems that your speakers are 5.1 PC speakers .... what are the input ports of your speakers - besides the RCA's, is there an spdif (digital coax or optical input)?

If those are just PC speakers, I wouldn't recommend connecting those to an AVR - even entry-level AVR's.  It would be best for you to purchase another set of speakers for the AVR if you really want to get one ....if there are budget constraints, you can start with two speakers, then just add the center, rear, and sub when you have the budget.

They're Hoffman. Unknown brand for speakers. They don't even have a website. An impulsive buy by ignorant users.

All it's input connections are analog. Speakers are connected to the subwoofer-amplifier through speaker wires. It's pretty big and really meant to be used for home theater audio. The sub's about the size of a pc casing, only wider and the speakers are about 4 feet high, 5 in across and 5 in deep.

If it only had the optical input, i wouldn't even consider getting an avr, but I need something to convert an optical signal (input) to 5.1 analog (output).

Will the RXV 640 do this? Is there a cheaper alternative?
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: gearhead000 on Feb 13, 2009 at 12:59 PM
Now, the only input for 5.1 sound of my existing speaker-amplifier system is through an analog/RCA connection

well, you already said here that you have 5.1 inputs to your speaker system. so the simplest upgrade you can do just so you can use the dd/dts audio of your movies is to buy a dvd player with 5.1 outputs. like so:

(http://apusauction.com.au/images/dvd_player/DVP-DK-3098K07%20copy.jpg)

then, you can adjust the parameters (delay, level, bass management, etc.) through your player if your receiver doesn't have those adjustments. this will tide you over quite well until you can finally upgrade to a full HT system.

(i was just reading about hoffman here in another thread... but i won't say any more).  ::)
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: WhoKilledMrP on Feb 13, 2009 at 01:06 PM
Thanks for the suggestion, but I already have that kind of player. I also have a NMT that i want to output into 5.1 and its only outputs are analog stereo or optical, thus my (apparent) need for the receiver.

Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: alistair on Feb 13, 2009 at 01:33 PM
The speakers are 45 watts and have an impedance of 6 ohms. I have kept reading that wattage shouldn't be a major concern and that i should be more mindful of getting a receiver with same or higher impedance.

My concern is that most receivers i've seen have an output of 50Wpc or more. If I use my 6ohm, 45W speakers with a receiver that outputs 50Wpc at or more at 8ohms, will i (irreparably) damage my speakers, or is this an acceptable setup?
Bro, just FYI.

My speakers are specced at 20-100W at 6ohm. But my AVR is only rated as capable of delivering 40 Watts per channel at 8ohm (although it is said that my AVR manufacturer has conservative ratings). Yet I have had no problems so far driving my speakers (although, I've never driven them at full power, at most mga -10dB).
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: WhoKilledMrP on Feb 13, 2009 at 01:47 PM
I'll probably try connecting the speakers directly, but I'd rather have peace-of-mind by having the option to connect it to the pre-amp out. (Although "peace-of-mind" might sound ironic with the Hoffman.  :P)

So, anyone?  Analog 5.1 connection from receiver pre-amp out to analog 5.1 input of the amplifier-speakers - will it work?
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: gearhead000 on Feb 13, 2009 at 05:30 PM
Analog 5.1 connection from receiver pre-amp out to analog 5.1 input of the amplifier-speakers - will it work?  

for your peace of mind... it will.

problem is... you now have redundant volume controls, and your avr's unutilized amp may be* better than the hoffman's.

you can also try to let your h/t system to power just the sub.. and connect all the speakers to the yamaha avr.

*you might find that after trying the latter option, that you like the original setup more.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: WhoKilledMrP on Feb 13, 2009 at 06:36 PM
Thanks, gearhead (and everyone else that's given advice). That's what I wanted to know. I'll consider attaching the speakers directly once I've read up a bit more.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: markcrenz on Feb 14, 2009 at 12:49 AM
in case you decide to purchase the yamaha receiver, don't be afraid to connect your existing satellites to it. just set all speakers to "small" in the speaker settings and the crossover high enough. the user's manual will give you a guide to accomplish this. clean power from the yamaha will produce a better sound than the hoffman's amps. this will also give more headroom for the subwoofer since its internal power supply will only deliver power to the sub amp instead of sharing it with the satellites' amps.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: jambeejay on Feb 22, 2009 at 08:42 PM
Mga HT gurus please advise, gusto ko kasing mag upgrade ng HT receiver from my current 5.1 to 6.1 or 7.1. What receiver best for my existing bose 201 series 5 as front, mordaunt center, wharfedale sub sw150 and bose 161 rear  I prefer more on movies. I love listening for surround sound, yun bang pakiramdam mo gumagapang sa tabi mo ung sound maybe u can help. My budget is for entry level receiver only 15 to 18k. tnx
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: avshop on Feb 22, 2009 at 11:10 PM
Mga HT gurus please advise, gusto ko kasing mag upgrade ng HT receiver from my current 5.1 to 6.1 or 7.1. What receiver best for my existing bose 201 series 5 as front, mordaunt center, wharfedale sub sw150 and bose 161 rear  I prefer more on movies. I love listening for surround sound, yun bang pakiramdam mo gumagapang sa tabi mo ung sound maybe u can help. My budget is for entry level receiver only 15 to 18k. tnx

you might want to consider the deno 1509. i can give you a good deal on it. :)
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: jambeejay on Feb 23, 2009 at 05:12 PM
can you pm the best price for onkyo tx sr506, denon avr 1509 and yamaha tx v563 all of this I believe are entry level 7.1 receiver. tnx
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: shalashaska on Mar 30, 2009 at 01:42 PM
Could you guys recommend me a good receiver to use for a PS3/Xbox 360? Also along with speakers that would be good in a 3m x 3m room... I've read in some forum that I could do better than the Logitech Z5500, which is priced at around 16k as far as I know,  with an amplifier and a set of speakers. Is that true? Can i get a good amp and a good set of speakers for 16k that would blow away the Z5500? Thanks ;D
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: blued888 on Mar 30, 2009 at 02:18 PM
Could you guys recommend me a good receiver to use for a PS3/Xbox 360? Also along with speakers that would be good in a 3m x 3m room... I've read in some forum that I could do better than the Logitech Z5500, which is priced at around 16k as far as I know,  with an amplifier and a set of speakers. Is that true? Can i get a good amp and a good set of speakers for 16k that would blow away the Z5500? Thanks ;D

It might just probably not be 5.1.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: ment on Mar 30, 2009 at 02:48 PM
Could you guys recommend me a good receiver to use for a PS3/Xbox 360? Also along with speakers that would be good in a 3m x 3m room... I've read in some forum that I could do better than the Logitech Z5500, which is priced at around 16k as far as I know,  with an amplifier and a set of speakers. Is that true? Can i get a good amp and a good set of speakers for 16k that would blow away the Z5500? Thanks ;D

the very reason why i got myself in to this HT thing was my Xbox360 ....

and so i bought my Yammy RXV430 dito sa forum about two months ago .... then nasundan ng speaker .... :) unti unti ko kukumpletuhin setup ko hehehe

I see that you'll surpass the Php 16K but with research and sourcing of best deals your satisfaction i believe will be much more fuller with proper HT setup :) opinion ko lang po .....
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: shalashaska on Mar 31, 2009 at 08:11 AM
So it is kind of impossible here in the Philippines, I guess.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: Dorgas on Apr 01, 2009 at 10:17 AM
Noob here ;D

Planning to buy a AVR 245. Primary purpose ko is para lang maging surround yung gaming experience ko sa xbox 360.

Limited din budget ko, around 20-25k.

Meron akong HTIB ng Sony DAV-DZ555K.

Question ko is, pwede ko bang ikabit sa AVR 245 yung mga speakers na kasama sa HTIB? Para lang kasi makatipid tipid hehehe ;D

Maraming talamat po ;D
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: milken on Apr 02, 2009 at 11:19 PM
Noob here ;D

Planning to buy a AVR 245. Primary purpose ko is para lang maging surround yung gaming experience ko sa xbox 360.

Limited din budget ko, around 20-25k.

Meron akong HTIB ng Sony DAV-DZ555K.

Question ko is, pwede ko bang ikabit sa AVR 245 yung mga speakers na kasama sa HTIB? Para lang kasi makatipid tipid hehehe ;D

Maraming talamat po ;D

pwede pero wag mo lakasan yung volume baka kasi hindi makakayanan ng mga satellite speakers yung input power ng AVR at baka mawasak pa sila.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: turbine on Apr 07, 2009 at 10:07 AM
Hi guys,

can you please suggest an a/v receiver for monitor audio rs series for ht.

thank you
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: tigkal on Apr 25, 2009 at 09:54 AM
Now sale in Western. Kenwood KRF-X9090D THX Select 2 at 14k. Six months to pay. clean sound.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiverr
Post by: duffydoc on Apr 25, 2009 at 11:40 AM
Now sale in Western. Kenwood KRF-X9090D THX Select 2 at 14k. Six months to pay. clean sound.

Sir anong branch ng western? tnx!
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: turbine on Apr 25, 2009 at 02:05 PM
Sir,

anu po mas okay na a/v receiver yamaha o denon for monitor audio rs series set-up for ht?
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiverr
Post by: tigkal on Apr 25, 2009 at 05:21 PM
Sir anong branch ng western? tnx!

western festival mall branch.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: avshop on May 10, 2009 at 12:22 AM
selling a brand new denon 1909 for 30.8k. pm me if interested. :)
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: mangboy on May 24, 2009 at 03:57 AM
Hi guys can you help me to choose a good reciever for upgrade sana sa old set-up ko newbie to HT basta lang binili namin ito noon eh
my set up is

reciever = denon 1803
front = klipsch RF1
center = psb 2c
sur = psb 2b
sub = yamaha yst sw320
dvd player sony
blu ray sony

Many thanks in advance!
Title: mid level amp for a newbie
Post by: guido on Jun 19, 2009 at 08:37 PM
i have close to zero knowledge on this,
i have a relative coming from the US that can bring one for me and i need help from the experts
checking ebay for prices, the following falls on my budget: (300-350$)
yamaha 663 and 665
onkyo 507
Pioneer VSX-919AH-K
denon 689
?
?
still searching the net for other brands, maybe you can recommend
i realized there's a lot of features on these amps i won't use, for now
still want to buy one that won't be obsolete real fast
hope to hear from you guys. i have 2-3 weeks to decide

thanks in advance

Title: Re: mid level amp for a newbie
Post by: markcrenz on Jun 19, 2009 at 10:27 PM
this is a good reference for newbies:
http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php?topic=23249.0
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: hls on Jul 01, 2009 at 05:17 PM
hi guys. newbie here.
just got my bd player (samsung bd 1500)recently.
whats the ideal receiver for this player?
my choices are onkyo 507 & 607.
my ht room is not that big. probably 15-18 sqm.
i'd like to know your input guys. tia. :)
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: disturbed on Jul 01, 2009 at 05:42 PM
hi henxs..15-18sqm is pretty big for me na..go for the latest receiver..i think power output of those avrs you mentioned are enough to na to fill your room..pag kulang pa din..lagyan mo na lang ng amp..so dapat kuha ka avrs na me pre-outs
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: hls on Jul 01, 2009 at 06:03 PM
hi henxs..15-18sqm is pretty big for me na..go for the latest receiver..i think power output of those avrs you mentioned are enough to na to fill your room..pag kulang pa din..lagyan mo na lang ng amp..so dapat kuha ka avrs na me pre-outs

so ok na yun 507? yun 607 kasi baka sobra masyado.
what do you think?tia.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: blued888 on Jul 01, 2009 at 07:44 PM
so ok na yun 507? yun 607 kasi baka sobra masyado.
what do you think?tia.

Take the features into consideration, not the power ratings. If you're really scared about not having enough power, look into receivers with pre-outs.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: TinkerTailor on Jul 13, 2009 at 01:06 PM
mga sirs, ano ba ang mga cheapest avr's na may pre-out for 5.1 setup?
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: blued888 on Jul 13, 2009 at 03:26 PM
mga sirs, ano ba ang mga cheapest avr's na may pre-out for 5.1 setup?

Onkyo TX-SR706
Yamaha RX-V663 / RX-V665
HK AVR-255
Denon AVR 2309

Most of these are close to the 30k range.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: TinkerTailor on Jul 13, 2009 at 04:44 PM
thank you sir bued888 for the info.

mukhang antay antay lang pala muna.  Sana bilisan ng mga companies na yan na maglabas ng mga bago at magagandang avr para may magkamot. guerrilla tactics muna ang katulad ko na mahina at maliit ang resources; wait, wait, wait, then pounce when the enemy is weak.  ;D

thanks again sir blued888
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: blued888 on Jul 13, 2009 at 04:58 PM
thank you sir bued888 for the info.

mukhang antay antay lang pala muna.  Sana bilisan ng mga companies na yan na maglabas ng mga bago at magagandang avr para may magkamot. guerrilla tactics muna ang katulad ko na mahina at maliit ang resources; wait, wait, wait, then pounce when the enemy is weak.  ;D

thanks again sir blued888

You're welcome! If you can't wait, you can ask PDVDers who import from the US. They might be able to offer lower prices. I think it will be in the 25k range. Or indeed if you can wait, that's the best thing to do. ;D
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: TinkerTailor on Jul 13, 2009 at 10:35 PM
yeah i can wait. if there's one thing ive learned it is to be patient. it will be so much sweeter when i'll complete the setup i want.

mahal itong mga gamit and mas mahal kung twice na bibili. :) there must be a thread here somewhere enumerating the common mistakes of beginners like me. ;D  entry level avr+budget floorstanders..etc
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: sultan72 on Jul 14, 2009 at 08:52 PM
Onkyo TX-SR706
Yamaha RX-V663 / RX-V665
HK AVR-255
Denon AVR 2309

Most of these are close to the 30k range.

mga bossing ano ba pre-outs? and ano nagagawa nito to future proof the avr?
thanks
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: mike c on Jul 14, 2009 at 08:54 PM
mga bossing ano ba pre-outs? and ano nagagawa nito to future proof the avr?
thanks

you can connect an external amp to the pre-outs.  it makes the receiver future proof because you don't need to replace the receiver when you need more power.  (only when you need more features)
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: sultan72 on Jul 15, 2009 at 11:48 AM
salamat sir mike
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: junkun13 on Jul 24, 2009 at 04:03 PM
mga sir ano bang receiver need ko for my ps3, plasma and a 5.1 analog speaker?

thanks in advance!
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: insomnia on Jul 31, 2009 at 10:15 PM
are there any distributors of sherwood newcastle  in Manila? I'm looking for a r-972 and wondering if its available here in the philippines.  Any leads will be appreciated.  Thanks.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: titopepe on Jul 31, 2009 at 11:07 PM
Onkyo TX-SR706
Denon AVR 2309

how much?
is the difference really that worth it compared to the lower models?
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: leonzki on Aug 01, 2009 at 06:29 PM
How much is NAD T770? Help please...
Title: Help in HT
Post by: mofo on Aug 17, 2009 at 02:46 PM
Hi,

I am new here. I just wanna ask for your suggestions.
Right now, i have an egreat NMT. My plan now is to buy a receiver.
I am choosing between the Yamaha RX-V365 or The V465.

I am more leaning towards the 365 because of the price.
will Dolby true HD help if I am only gonna use a Networked Media Tank?
Will all HD audio formats play with the V365? or the 465 is a better choice?

Please help me. And if you know where to buy cheap yamaha receivers, please also let me know where.

thanks!
Title: Re: Help in HT
Post by: mike c on Aug 17, 2009 at 02:57 PM
Hi,

I am new here. I just wanna ask for your suggestions.
Right now, i have an egreat NMT. My plan now is to buy a receiver.
I am choosing between the Yamaha RX-V365 or The V465.

I am more leaning towards the 365 because of the price.
will Dolby true HD help if I am only gonna use a Networked Media Tank?
Will all HD audio formats play with the V365? or the 465 is a better choice?

Please help me. And if you know where to buy cheap yamaha receivers, please also let me know where.

thanks!

i have yet to encounter mkv's with HI-DEF audio BUT for the sake of future proofing, i would pick the 465.

i'm not even sure if the 365's HDMI's can pass audio into the receiver, but it won't decode the HD audio formats.

http://www.yamaha.com/yec/compare/Detail.html?compitem1=&compitem2=5027893&compitem3=5028493&CTID=5000300&VNM=LIVE&comp_items=5027893&comp_items=5028493&B_compare.x=48&B_compare.y=11
Title: Re: Help in HT
Post by: mofo on Aug 17, 2009 at 03:01 PM
Thanks for the help mike c!
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: cruez3 on Aug 18, 2009 at 01:02 AM
pwede pa send price list ng av receiver..^_^ thanks
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: DonT on Aug 18, 2009 at 02:23 AM
you can connect an external amp to the pre-outs.  it makes the receiver future proof because you don't need to replace the receiver when you need more power.  (only when you need more features)

Just a dumb question...take for instance the Onkyo TX-SR706...it has 125W/Ch @6 Ohms...why would anybody need pre-outs if you already have that much power? What size of room na hindi kaya nitong AVR? I can only imagine..na even for a very large room..the SPL will be deafening.  :)
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: milken on Aug 18, 2009 at 09:13 AM
External amps take away the work load off the AVR so that the latter will concentrate more on sound processing and leave the amplification to the external amps.  An external amps provide more headroom and spaciousness, not necessary higher volume, and are generally advisable if you have hard to drive speakers.   
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: threadlock on Aug 18, 2009 at 11:06 AM
Because that rating is not 5-channels/7-channels driven rating. The All-Channels Driven power rating of a receiver is usually lower than that. Most AVR manufacturers except Harman Kardon I think is using this style of power rating.

Here is some reading about it:
http://www.audioholics.com/education/amplifier-technology/the-all-channels-driven-acd-amplifier-test/the-all-channels-driven-acd-amplifier-test-page-3 (http://www.audioholics.com/education/amplifier-technology/the-all-channels-driven-acd-amplifier-test/the-all-channels-driven-acd-amplifier-test-page-3)
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: ninjababez® on Aug 18, 2009 at 11:46 AM
mga sir ano bang receiver need ko for my ps3, plasma and a 5.1 analog speaker?
thanks in advance!
for your room bro more than enough na yung klipsch mo  ;)
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: DonT on Aug 18, 2009 at 10:40 PM
Because that rating is not 5-channels/7-channels driven rating. The All-Channels Driven power rating of a receiver is usually lower than that. Most AVR manufacturers except Harman Kardon I think is using this style of power rating.

Here is some reading about it:
http://www.audioholics.com/education/amplifier-technology/the-all-channels-driven-acd-amplifier-test/the-all-channels-driven-acd-amplifier-test-page-3 (http://www.audioholics.com/education/amplifier-technology/the-all-channels-driven-acd-amplifier-test/the-all-channels-driven-acd-amplifier-test-page-3)

Nice Link there. So the 125 W/ch can probably lower in reality.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: blued888 on Aug 18, 2009 at 11:11 PM
Nice Link there. So the 125 W/ch can probably lower in reality.

The Yamaha RX-V663 rated at 95wpc was tested to output only around approximately 40wpc all channels driven. (Read it somewhere, not sure if it's at Audioholics too.)
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: DonT on Aug 19, 2009 at 02:16 AM
^ How about those Stereo Receivers which are rated 100W/ch (2.0), would they have lower ratings also? (e.g. Onkyo TX-8522) or is this only true for 5.1, 6.1, 7.1 systems? ;)
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: ninjababez® on Aug 19, 2009 at 03:10 AM
yaiks, what a revelation ..
considering that they are branded receivers .. :(
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: junkun13 on Aug 23, 2009 at 12:14 AM
for your room bro more than enough na yung klipsch mo  ;)

san ba makakabili murang mga decoder or receiver?
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: ninjababez® on Aug 23, 2009 at 02:44 PM
san ba makakabili murang mga decoder or receiver?
bro anong model nung soundcard mo?  iirc meron na yun nabili mo dati.  btw si axelangel meron nun :)
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: avshop on Aug 23, 2009 at 03:57 PM
denon 1610, 1910 and 2310 now available. :)
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: abcerase on Aug 26, 2009 at 05:25 PM
mga sirs,

ask k lang po what is best bang for the buck na receiver sa 15k - 20k budget?

1. Newbie lang po ako sa HT field...and since I am purchasing a ps3, i thought of getting the one that can decode TrueHD sound through HDMI...good idea po ba to? I have already taken a look at Yamaha RXV 465 and Onkyo 507 (mga 22k)
2. I will only purchase 2.1 sound system for now since kulang pa budget..malamang Wharfedale 9.1 + US Audio sub

thanks po!
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: avshop on Aug 26, 2009 at 11:36 PM
mga sirs,

ask k lang po what is best bang for the buck na receiver sa 15k - 20k budget?

1. Newbie lang po ako sa HT field...and since I am purchasing a ps3, i thought of getting the one that can decode TrueHD sound through HDMI...good idea po ba to? I have already taken a look at Yamaha RXV 465 and Onkyo 507 (mga 22k)
2. I will only purchase 2.1 sound system for now since kulang pa budget..malamang Wharfedale 9.1 + US Audio sub

thanks po!

you might also want to consider the denon 1610. about the same price as the onkyo 507. i can give you a good deal on the 1610 and onkyo 507. :)
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: blued888 on Aug 27, 2009 at 12:43 AM
1. Newbie lang po ako sa HT field...and since I am purchasing a ps3, i thought of getting the one that can decode TrueHD sound through HDMI...good idea po ba to? I have already taken a look at Yamaha RXV 465 and Onkyo 507 (mga 22k)

If you're purchasing a PS3 Slim, you can choose to get one which decodes Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD MA via HDMI because the PS3 Slim can bitstream those HD codecs to the receiver for decoding (http://www.eclecticelectronics.net/ht-home-theater/sony-playstation-3-ps3-slim-can-bitstream-dolby-truehd-and-dts-hd-ma/).

The PS3 fat sends already decoded Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD MA via HDMI, hence outputting multi-channel LPCM. There is no option to bitstream with the PS3 fat. For this, all you need is one which passes audio via HDMI.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: abcerase on Aug 27, 2009 at 01:21 AM
If you're purchasing a PS3 Slim, you can choose to get one which decodes Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD MA via HDMI because the PS3 Slim can bitstream those HD codecs to the receiver for decoding (http://www.eclecticelectronics.net/ht-home-theater/sony-playstation-3-ps3-slim-can-bitstream-dolby-truehd-and-dts-hd-ma/).

The PS3 fat sends already decoded Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD MA via HDMI, hence outputting multi-channel LPCM. There is no option to bitstream with the PS3 fat. For this, all you need is one which passes audio via HDMI.

Oh, thanks for the clarification sir :) So it depends on the PS3 that I am going to purchase...but if you were on my shoes, what receiver will you be purchasing?
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: blued888 on Aug 27, 2009 at 01:47 AM
Oh, thanks for the clarification sir :) So it depends on the PS3 that I am going to purchase...but if you were on my shoes, what receiver will you be purchasing?

I would stick with Yamaha since I'm biased to the brand. ;D (I own a RX-V663)

On a note, most receivers nowadays do decode those HD codecs. Even the RX-V465 decodes them.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: abcerase on Aug 27, 2009 at 02:31 AM
I would stick with Yamaha since I'm biased to the brand. ;D (I own a RX-V663)

On a note, most receivers nowadays do decode those HD codecs. Even the RX-V465 decodes them.

Thanks sir! :) Mag-audition na lang ako para sure :) thanks!
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: mike c on Aug 27, 2009 at 06:30 AM
If you're purchasing a PS3 Slim, you can choose to get one which decodes Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD MA via HDMI because the PS3 Slim can bitstream those HD codecs to the receiver for decoding (http://www.eclecticelectronics.net/ht-home-theater/sony-playstation-3-ps3-slim-can-bitstream-dolby-truehd-and-dts-hd-ma/).

The PS3 fat sends already decoded Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD MA via HDMI, hence outputting multi-channel LPCM. There is no option to bitstream with the PS3 fat. For this, all you need is one which passes audio via HDMI.

oh no.  ayoko na gumastos!!!!!
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: Full HD 3D on Aug 27, 2009 at 07:08 AM
denon 1610, 1910 and 2310 now available. :)
Does the 2310 come with a pre=out for external amp,Audyssey MultEQ XT?
Thanks!
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: avshop on Aug 27, 2009 at 09:52 AM
Does the 2310 come with a pre=out for external amp,Audyssey Multi EQ XT?
Thanks!

yup. :)
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: streetsmart on Aug 27, 2009 at 11:35 AM
Does the 2310 come with a pre=out for external amp,Audyssey Multi EQ XT?
Thanks!

It comes with Audyssey MultEQ, not MultEQ XT which has 8x more filters for the satellite channels.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: Full HD 3D on Aug 28, 2009 at 07:22 AM
It comes with Audyssey MultEQ, not MultEQ XT which has 8x more filters for the satellite channels.
Streetsmart,Will there be a big difference in terms of sound produce between a MultEQ and MultEQ XT?This 2310 seems a good buy if you have a 1080p player with upscaling feature and an external amp if the Multeq & MultEQ  XT have only a slight difference in terms of sound reproduction.

Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: streetsmart on Aug 28, 2009 at 08:07 AM
Streetsmart,Will there be a big difference in terms of sound produce between a MultEQ and MultEQ XT?This 2310 seems a good buy if you have a 1080p player with upscaling feature and an external amp if the Multeq & MultEQ  XT have only a slight difference in terms of sound reproduction.



If you can afford it, get an AVR with MultEQ XT. The 8x difference in filters is a lot and will be more apparent if your room does not have good acoustic treatment.

If all you can afford is the Denon 2310, ok pa rin yun cuz it also has Audyssey Dynamic EQ and Dynamic Volume, both of which are incredibly useful.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: Full HD 3D on Aug 29, 2009 at 07:39 PM
Can a Denon receiver play from different source at the same time say between the main or zone2 or zone 3 simultaneously. Sample will be the main with an external amplifier via pre out doin DVD or Blu ray while an ipod playing background music on other area (zone 2 or 3)all at the same time?
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: Full HD 3D on Aug 29, 2009 at 07:47 PM
If you can afford it, get an AVR with MultEQ XT. The 8x difference in filters is a lot and will be more apparent if your room does not have good acoustic treatment.
 
So does that mean that if my room is acoustically treated,the difference will be slight?
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: blued888 on Aug 29, 2009 at 08:49 PM
oh no.  ayoko na gumastos!!!!!

Parehas lang naman yun diba? Or gusto mo lang makita yung Dolby TrueHD tsaka DTS-HD MA sa display ng receiver? ;D
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: streetsmart on Aug 29, 2009 at 09:12 PM
If you can afford it, get an AVR with MultEQ XT. The 8x difference in filters is a lot and will be more apparent if your room does not have good acoustic treatment.
 
So does that mean that if my room is acoustically treated,the difference will be slight?

It depends on the quality of the acoustic treatment. I believe that in the majority of cases, the differences will not be slight, even if your room has acoustic treatment. That's my experience.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: mike c on Aug 29, 2009 at 10:33 PM
Parehas lang naman yun diba? Or gusto mo lang makita yung Dolby TrueHD tsaka DTS-HD MA sa display ng receiver? ;D

yes, parehas lang.  pero masarap siguro makita yung Dolby True HD and DTS-HD MA  ;D ;D

i'm still waiting for dedicated players to drop in price to around 10-15k
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: iiinas on Aug 29, 2009 at 10:59 PM
yes, parehas lang.  pero masarap siguro makita yung Dolby True HD and DTS-HD MA  ;D ;D

i'm still waiting for dedicated players to drop in price to around 10-15k

then tama si sir blued888. ps3 slim is it, i think once the fanfare of the launch dies down, the landed price might well be in the 14k level.

para makita na ang dts-ma and dobly tru hd sa denon mo sir mike!  ;D
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: avshop on Sep 02, 2009 at 10:26 PM
come check out the denon 1610, 1910 and 2310. now available at the shop. :)
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: mike c on Sep 03, 2009 at 06:32 AM
then tama si sir blued888. ps3 slim is it, i think once the fanfare of the launch dies down, the landed price might well be in the 14k level.

para makita na ang dts-ma and dobly tru hd sa denon mo sir mike!  ;D

ya, hopefully umabot nga ng 14k.  kaya lang, parang i'm debating whether my next step is a dedicated player or the new PS3 ... pero ilang years down the road pa yun :D
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: iiinas on Sep 03, 2009 at 06:40 AM
ya, hopefully umabot nga ng 14k.  kaya lang, parang i'm debating whether my next step is a dedicated player or the new PS3 ... pero ilang years down the road pa yun :D

sorry ot: but if looking at the fat ps3 as an indication, the fat ps3 was for all intents and purposes one of the best bluray players around even majority videophiles agree on this, it is only on the bitstreaming of hd audio that they have complains about. it even performs as an upscaler. so i guess the slim ps3 is really worth looking at, keep the kids happy too as a game machine.

btw, learn from the other threads its already at datablitz for 18k cash.

 
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: mike c on Sep 03, 2009 at 03:05 PM
sorry ot: but if looking at the fat ps3 as an indication, the fat ps3 was for all intents and purposes one of the best bluray players around even majority videophiles agree on this, it is only on the bitstreaming of hd audio that they have complains about. it even performs as an upscaler. so i guess the slim ps3 is really worth looking at, keep the kids happy too as a game machine.

btw, learn from the other threads its already at datablitz for 18k cash.

 

not bad, if datablitz is 18k ... im sure sa ghls even cheaper.

sayang kasi PS3's ko ... i have two kasi and i don't play PS3 games.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: MartinMB on Sep 03, 2009 at 10:56 PM
Guys ok pa kaya ang Yamaha RX-V540 ngayon? will use it mostly for music, paired with wharfs (dia 9.1).  Mura lang kasi e, luma ndn na model.haha

Thanks!
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: mykel18 on Sep 21, 2009 at 11:23 AM
Need your inputs on what receiver to pair a Polk Audio RTi a7.

Recommended amp power: 20-300w per channel

2 channel setup lang gagawin ko (more on music kasi). I prefer a receiver that has a treble and bass control. No sub will be used din kasi. Harman Kardon ang first choice ko kaso 120w per channel na ang pinakamataas na nakita ko.

Any recommendations/comment/suggestions would be of great help. More power guys!
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: jay_26 on Sep 21, 2009 at 03:21 PM
Hi mga gurus! What's the best receiver that will match B&W 600 series. 30-40K budget.  ;)
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: ninjababez® on Sep 21, 2009 at 04:55 PM
Hi mga gurus! What's the best receiver that will match B&W 600 series. 30-40K budget.  ;)
jay is that you bords   :o :o
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: jay_26 on Sep 21, 2009 at 05:09 PM
Si erpats nangati!  ;D Yung dati niyang setup inilipat na doon sa bahay sa marikina. Dalaw ulit kayo dito pagnatapos tong project ni erpat.  ;D
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: avshop on Sep 21, 2009 at 05:57 PM
Hi mga gurus! What's the best receiver that will match B&W 600 series. 30-40K budget.  ;)

try the hk 355 for 36k. :) its a great match. come by the shop to check it out. :) we also have the new denon receivers. :)
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: ninjababez® on Sep 21, 2009 at 05:58 PM
Si erpats nangati!  ;D Yung dati niyang setup inilipat na doon sa bahay sa marikina. Dalaw ulit kayo dito pagnatapos tong project ni erpat.  ;D
 
ot:
sige bro, btw malaki na library natin  ;)
try the hk 355 for 36k. :) its a great match. come by the shop to check it out. :) we also have the new denon receivers. :)
jay kung punta ka kay avshop samahan kita  ;D
Title: yamaha rxv465
Post by: despiopat on Sep 22, 2009 at 10:30 AM
hi, i'm a newbie in HT. is the yamaha rxv465 a good receiver? there is a package in 5th avenue that includes this together with a set of yamaha speakers (4 satellite and 1 subwoofer - not sure what model, but they are in black plastic casing), priced at 29,900. Is this a good deal? better than HTIBs?
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: conch on Oct 03, 2009 at 05:53 PM
Hi,

am also new here. Am looking for an upgrade to my HK AVR254. My budget is P35k. any suggestions? thanks
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: iiinas on Oct 03, 2009 at 08:53 PM
Hi,

am also new here. Am looking for an upgrade to my HK AVR254. My budget is P35k. any suggestions? thanks

you can try the new hk 255 itself. but kung ayaw mo na sa hk. i think you can get the yamaha 665 or onkyo 607 at a lower cost. denon 1910 is also worthy of a look see. goodluck.
Title: Re: yamaha rxv465
Post by: anchit on Oct 03, 2009 at 09:50 PM
hi, i'm a newbie in HT. is the yamaha rxv465 a good receiver? there is a package in 5th avenue that includes this together with a set of yamaha speakers (4 satellite and 1 subwoofer - not sure what model, but they are in black plastic casing), priced at 29,900. Is this a good deal? better than HTIBs?

anong diff ng 465 sa 365? i think Audio and Video HD pass through pa rin sya just like the 365/363, IMO itll be better to get the 365 and use the extra to get a better set of speakers, and if you want a beefier/more feature AVR, get the 665/663 and not the 465.

the 365 i heard retails at 15.5k
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: blued888 on Oct 03, 2009 at 10:38 PM
Hi,

am also new here. Am looking for an upgrade to my HK AVR254. My budget is P35k. any suggestions? thanks

That's pretty new, what do you need to upgrade for? the HK AVR254 is pretty much the same as the locally available HK AVR255.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: dips15 on Oct 03, 2009 at 11:48 PM
That's pretty new, what do you need to upgrade for? the HK AVR254 is pretty much the same as the locally available HK AVR255.

Yup the 254 is the US version of the 255. 
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: avshop on Oct 04, 2009 at 01:03 AM
Hi,

am also new here. Am looking for an upgrade to my HK AVR254. My budget is P35k. any suggestions? thanks

you might be intersted in the hk 355 for only 36k. :) the denon 1910 is also good. :)
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: avshop on Oct 04, 2009 at 01:05 AM
pass by the shop to check out the different receivers. i can give you a good deal on denon, hk and marantz receivers. :)

shop is located at unit 205 amaremca bldg, 107a kalayaan avenue, diliman, quezon city. :)

we're open wednesday to sunday, 11am to 8pm. :)
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: GuyChan on Oct 05, 2009 at 03:57 AM
Newbie here.

If you were to decide among the following, what will you choose and why?


Onkyo TX-SR607
Onkyo TX-SR705
Yamaha - RX-V665
Yamaha - RX-V663

Price being the last deciding factor.

Thank you in advance.

Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: streetsmart on Oct 05, 2009 at 07:10 AM
Onkyo TX-SR607
Onkyo TX-SR705
Yamaha - RX-V665
Yamaha - RX-V663

Price being the last deciding factor.

A Denon similar to the Onkyo 705 in features. It has Audyssey MultEQ room correction technology which makes a huge difference in sound quality. Many people say that the Denon sounds better than the Onkyo, and the Denon has a lesser tendency to overheat.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: GuyChan on Oct 05, 2009 at 10:34 AM
A Denon similar to the Onkyo 705 in features. It has Audyssey MultEQ room correction technology which makes a huge difference in sound quality. Many people say that the Denon sounds better than the Onkyo, and the Denon has a lesser tendency to overheat.

Thank you streetsmart. What Denon model would you recommend? How much is it in the market? I will use for mainly for music and then movies.

Thank you in advance.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: avshop on Oct 05, 2009 at 11:05 AM
Thank you streetsmart. What Denon model would you recommend? How much is it in the market? I will use for mainly for music and then movies.

Thank you in advance.

go for the denon 2310 at least. i can give you a good deal on denon receivers. :)
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: GuyChan on Oct 05, 2009 at 11:55 AM
go for the denon 2310 at least. i can give you a good deal on denon receivers. :)

thanks avshop! can you pm me a pricelist of your AV Receivers? Terms if any. Thank you. If you carry other brands, please include them as well.

Looking for HDMi capability, 7ch, " futureproof " if there's such a thing...thanks!
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: iiinas on Oct 05, 2009 at 03:35 PM
I will use for mainly for music and then movies.

Thank you in advance.

music? then i think a harman kardon should be auditioned as well, i think sir avshop has the 255 and 355 in stock too, check the denon and the hk out. but for music and paired with a good set of speakers. i think the harman has the edge.  :)
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: ayosbathere on Oct 05, 2009 at 03:51 PM
Newbie here.

If you were to decide among the following, what will you choose and why?


Onkyo TX-SR607
Onkyo TX-SR705
Yamaha - RX-V665
Yamaha - RX-V663

Price being the last deciding factor.

Thank you in advance.



Guy.. kaka audition ko lang kahapon ng Denon 1910 & 607 using my own speaker. Actually wala sa list ko yong 607. after everything we've done.. talagang napa wow kaming lahat sa 607.. iba talaga pag nag audition ka.. sayang nga wala HK 355 para masulit talaga.

well parang tama itong sample review (http://reviews.cnet.com/av-receivers/onkyo-tx-sr607-black/4864-6466_7-33553470-1.html) nakita ko dati yan links na yan before kami mag AVR audition
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: iiinas on Oct 05, 2009 at 04:08 PM
Guy.. kaka audition ko lang kahapon ng Denon 1910 & 607 using my own speaker. Actually wala sa list ko yong 607. after everything we've done.. talagang napa wow kaming lahat sa 607.. iba talaga pag nag audition ka.. sayang nga wala HK 355 para masulit talaga.

well parang tama itong sample review (http://reviews.cnet.com/av-receivers/onkyo-tx-sr607-black/4864-6466_7-33553470-1.html) nakita ko dati yan links na yan before kami mag AVR audition

for both music and movies, you gave the the 607 the nod vs 1910? what speakers you use if you dont mind.  :)

btw, i am also an onkyo owner (806). but there has always been a notion that denon and hk will almost always sound better than an onlyo. kaya curious ako. thanks.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: ayosbathere on Oct 05, 2009 at 04:22 PM
for both music and movies, you gave the the 607 the nod vs 1910? what speakers you use if you dont mind.  :)

btw, i am also an onkyo owner (806). but there has always been a notion that denon and hk will almost always sound better than an onlyo. kaya curious ako. thanks.

old Monitor audio B2, B4, MA Bcenter & Velo CHT10.

limang pares na tenga po ang nag vote :) .. well bitin sobra ang 1910 then when si hook up the 607 napa WOW lang naman kami.. then hindi ako maka panilawa.. pinakabit ko ulit yong 1910 talaga bitin
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: iiinas on Oct 05, 2009 at 04:32 PM
old Monitor audio B2, B4, MA Bcenter & Velo CHT10.

limang pares na tenga po ang nag vote :) .. well bitin sobra ang 1910 then when si hook up the 607 napa WOW lang naman kami.. then hindi ako maka panilawa.. pinakabit ko ulit yong 1910 talaga bitin

m.a. pala. good to hear. glad you finally found what your looking for. its time to enjoy.  :)
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: streetsmart on Oct 05, 2009 at 05:46 PM
old Monitor audio B2, B4, MA Bcenter & Velo CHT10.

limang pares na tenga po ang nag vote :) .. well bitin sobra ang 1910 then when si hook up the 607 napa WOW lang naman kami.. then hindi ako maka panilawa.. pinakabit ko ulit yong 1910 talaga bitin

It's not easy to do a comparison of the sq of AVR's. Among other things, you would need to:

1. Run the Auto-eq of each AVR and take note of the gain of each, where both output the same SPL.
2. Set the tone controls off.
3. Set all speakers to small and ensure that there is no "double bass" selected.
4. Set the crossovers of the speakers to the same level (between AVR's) and the LPF of the sub to 120 hz.
5. Shut off any DSP modes (hall, church, etc)

Once you've done this, run the AVR's with the gain set so that they output the same SPL. If these were done, then I think you should have been fine.
Title: help upgrading
Post by: msport366 on Oct 07, 2009 at 09:08 PM
Hi,we have a fairly ancient HT setup comprising of pioneer VSX-505S (dolby prologic), infinity sub, wharfedale modus one three for the fronts,  modus center &   programme 30D for surround. Just recently acquired a bluray player and I think its time to upgrade the AVR since I'm missing a lot on newer tech.. but still contemplating on replacing the avr since it outputs 135W X 4 in dolby pro and its still working fine.. Your opinions pls... And which AVR would you recommend that has a fairly decent sound and yet does not cost that much..
Thanks
Title: Re: help upgrading
Post by: avshop on Oct 07, 2009 at 10:08 PM
Hi,we have a fairly ancient HT setup comprising of pioneer VSX-505S (dolby prologic), infinity sub, wharfedale modus one three for the fronts,  modus center &   programme 30D for surround. Just recently acquired a bluray player and I think its time to upgrade the AVR since I'm missing a lot on newer tech.. but still contemplating on replacing the avr since it outputs 135W X 4 in dolby pro and its still working fine.. Your opinions pls... And which AVR would you recommend that has a fairly decent sound and yet does not cost that much..
Thanks

try out the Hk 255 and Hk 355 receivers. They're very good. Come by the shop and compare different receivers. We Hk, Denon, marantz, and onkyo. :)

shop is located at unit 205 Amaremca bldg, 107a kalayaan avenue, diliman, quezon city. We're open Wednesday to Sunday, 11am to 8pm. :)
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: simonzaide on Oct 09, 2009 at 11:34 AM
i have small dilemna right now hope you guys can help me out

im planning to get a used AVR and these are my choices

yamaha dsp a1
onkyo 787
denon 887
denon 605

im not really into the DTS HD thing since i dont plan to get a blueray player anytime soon. so i usually watch regular dvd's. 50% for movies and 50% for audio

the yamaha and the 787 has phono inputs which will come in handy though

hope you can help me out

thanks
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: rivertala on Oct 10, 2009 at 12:25 AM
Tanong lang mga masters,

My question is.

kahit ba walang dolby true hd ang av receiver ko pero meron akong high-end dvd player which can upscale and decode dolby true hd magooutput din ba sya ng 1080p and true hd? parang pass thru lng. paki-confirm naman mga masters ???
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: Onkyo606 on Oct 11, 2009 at 01:53 AM
sir rivertala:

Base lang po sa mga na research ko rin at mga sinabi din ng mga kaibigan natin sa pdvd, the software, the player and the receiver should all be capable of providing true hd out put otherwise you will not get it. It has to be the three.

Sir Simonzaide:

Of the choices you mentioned, DSP AZ 1 is the best but during its prime. This is a flagship AVR by YAMAHA but that was ages ago we now have YAMAHA AZ 11. Onkyo 605 was the best receiver (atleast according to reviews I read when it was released 5 stars for most reviews) taking into consideration overall parameters;features, price, built although I think the 605's greatest strenght is witn movies and not with audio. I own an ONKYO 606 and I can say it really sounds great with movies just how the review say it but there are better sounding receiver when you consider audio. But what the heck an receiver are built for movies only a dedicated audio amplifier would really soundgood in audio ;)
Title: Can anyone help me choose av receiver with my 20k budget. im upgrading my HT.
Post by: albertcp on Oct 14, 2009 at 11:03 PM
I want to upgrade from analog HT to Digital HT, can anyone help me where to buy quality brand of AV Receiver, its Ok even it is second hand as long it has a good performance in audio. Or what place where can I buy AV receiver that has "SALE" .....



Title: Re: Can anyone help me choose av receiver with my 20k budget. im upgrading my HT
Post by: avshop on Oct 15, 2009 at 12:17 AM
I want to upgrade from analog HT to Digital HT, can anyone help me where to buy quality brand of AV Receiver, its Ok even it is second hand as long it has a good performance in audio. Or what place where can I buy AV receiver that has "SALE" .....





come by the shop and check out the different receivers. we have denon, hk, onkyo and marantz. :)
Title: Re: Can anyone help me choose av receiver with my 20k budget. im upgrading my HT.
Post by: lakambini on Oct 15, 2009 at 12:23 PM
Sir albertcp;

Take the suggestion of avshop, at least you can audition the 4 different brands in one roof.  Mas madaling pumili at mag-compare.

If possible bring the your source and speaker equipments, para ma-test na rin ang synergy ng mga equipments.

Title: Re: Can anyone help me choose av receiver with my 20k budget. im upgrading my HT.
Post by: anchit on Oct 15, 2009 at 06:28 PM
You may also want to consider the Yamaha 365, @15.5k. performs pretty well IMO. pero Denon's audyssey is really a big plus factor. ;)

try paying avshop a visit, he'd be more than willing to assist you. :)
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: marvin87 on Oct 16, 2009 at 12:27 PM
hi avshop,

currently choosing the "best" avr for my budget. pa PM nman po ng available avr's with prices not exceeding 25k. thanks in advance! :)
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: avshop on Oct 16, 2009 at 07:38 PM
hi avshop,

currently choosing the "best" avr for my budget. pa PM nman po ng available avr's with prices not exceeding 25k. thanks in advance! :)

sent you pm :)
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: albertcp on Oct 18, 2009 at 10:32 AM
f i had that budget ill go for  marantz4500 for 17500 on sale @5th ave or yamaha 450 for17500(not sure)@ ambassador Smiley..me sukli ka pa pambili ng dvd  Grin .happy hunting bro

Thank for the all the information, i've scout Denon 1908 for 17K , what is better DENON 1908 or MARANTZ4500? (any advantage and disadvantage base on your actual experience)

Any have the CONTACT NUMBER of Ambassador @ Spectra (because im far from Makati)

Thanks to avshop recommendation & advise and to all give inputs & who offers , Also it is good that in this forum it include the contact number for fast transaction.

Thanks here's my number (0916-3183079)
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: gearhead000 on Oct 18, 2009 at 11:22 AM
i once had the marantz 4500. and it is a very good receiver for the price. it will partner best with easy to drive speakers though, like my gale(s) that i used it with. other brands that come to mind are mordaunt short, ms carnival series, mission mv-series, and maybe a wharfe 9.1/9.cs combo.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: nogie on Oct 21, 2009 at 06:58 PM
Here's my non-expert advise in choosing a receiver.

Choose the model with more power as much as possible. If you have money to buy a brand new 607, why not look for an alternative like buying a pre-owned 805 at the same price. As per experience with receivers of different brands & models, lower-end models equipped w/ new technologies DOES NOT EQUATE the power of higher-end older models. In other words, the more power, the better! Lets put it this way, I have this Denon 789/1909 that can internally decode lossless codecs, the quality of sound it produces cannot beat the Marantz SR6001, Denon 3806, Yamaha 1700, HK 347, Onkyo 804 & the non-HDMI HK 635. Though negligible difference vs. the Denon 887. It is good to see the receiver displaying " Dolby TruHD, DTS MA" whenever you play lossless codecs but thats just it. Of course it's totally different story if you have the extra money to buy high-end new models like the Denon 3310, Onkyo 876. Please note that I am not giving this advise because i have receivers for sale at the marketplace. You can look around, visit reputable distributors here in the Philippines and ask (better if you compare side-by side) for older but higher end models. Iwasan na ang SARS ngayong 2010, Iba na ang usong sakit ngayon!  ;D
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: CMac on Oct 22, 2009 at 04:32 AM
^ (+1) me likey your HK 635 sa marketplace  ;D
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: nogie on Oct 22, 2009 at 11:40 AM
^ (+1) me likey your HK 635 sa marketplace  ;D

Actually if I rank my AVR preference, HK & Marantz top my list. They're both unbeatable in audio mas maganda lang ng konti yong marantz sa movies.  ;)
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: CMac on Oct 22, 2009 at 04:45 PM
Actually if I rank my AVR preference, HK & Marantz top my list. They're both unbeatable in audio mas maganda lang ng konti yong marantz sa movies.  ;)

Yup. These are some fine selections in the marketplace right now.

HK 635
Cambridge Azur 640R
Onkyo 875
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: simonzaide on Oct 22, 2009 at 05:37 PM
Here's my non-expert advise in choosing a receiver.

Choose the model with more power as much as possible. If you have money to buy a brand new 607, why not look for an alternative like buying a pre-owned 805 at the same price. As per experience with receivers of different brands & models, lower-end models equipped w/ new technologies DOES NOT EQUATE the power of higher-end older models. In other words, the more power, the better! Lets put it this way, I have this Denon 789/1909 that can internally decode lossless codecs, the quality of sound it produces cannot beat the Marantz SR6001, Denon 3806, Yamaha 1700, HK 347, Onkyo 804 & the non-HDMI HK 635. Though negligible difference vs. the Denon 887. It is good to see the receiver displaying " Dolby TruHD, DTS MA" whenever you play lossless codecs but thats just it. Of course it's totally different story if you have the extra money to buy high-end new models like the Denon 3310, Onkyo 876. Please note that I am not giving this advise because i have receivers for sale at the marketplace. You can look around, visit reputable distributors here in the Philippines and ask (better if you compare side-by side) for older but higher end models. Iwasan na ang SARS ngayong 2010, Iba na ang usong sakit ngayon!  ;D



+1 i agree with sir nogie on this when purchasing a receiver you have to go think about long term na so saving up a little extra wouldnt be so bad kesa buying something and selling it palugi to upgrade in the long run
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: milken on Oct 22, 2009 at 08:08 PM
Don't skimp on receiver.  Make sure the one you'll purchased should last you at least 5 years.  No to SARS!
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: lithium_deuteride on Oct 25, 2009 at 05:08 PM
I'm considering a Denon 2310.  Should I consider something else?

(At around the same ballpark price)
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: babed95 on Oct 26, 2009 at 09:25 AM
ewan ko meron pa yatang marantz sr3001 for 12k yata sa theater worx 7.1 na sya maganda rin bang for the buck pa and you got the best of both world audio and video.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: nogie on Oct 26, 2009 at 09:41 AM
I'm considering a Denon 2310.  Should I consider something else?

(At around the same ballpark price)

Denon 2310 is pretty decent mid-level receiver. You can also check Onkyo 806, they are of the same price range if not mistaken. Basta iwasan mo ang entry level receivers para iwas SARS!  ;D
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: Verbl Kint on Oct 26, 2009 at 09:45 AM
What's a good receiver to drive diy_master's proac clones? Looking for a 2.1 setup to start. Since it's for my mom, I'd like a more user-friendly device.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: bhudz on Oct 26, 2009 at 12:34 PM
Sirs,

What is good avr under 25K?

Thanks

Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: avshop on Oct 26, 2009 at 07:14 PM
Sirs,

What is good avr under 25K?

Thanks



check out the denon 1610. the srp is only 24k. i can give you good deals on denon and hk receivers. :)
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: ayosbathere on Oct 28, 2009 at 12:23 PM
Denon 2310 is pretty decent mid-level receiver. You can also check Onkyo 806, they are of the same price range if not mistaken. Basta iwasan mo ang entry level receivers para iwas SARS!  ;D

ano ano po ba mga entry level?
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: iiinas on Oct 28, 2009 at 12:47 PM
ano ano po ba mga entry level?

for onkyo the 500 series. the onkyo's 600 series is really in between, some consider them entry level too. for harman kardon the 150 series. for denon it would be 1600 series. yamaha, it will be the 460 and 560 series.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: bhudz on Oct 28, 2009 at 01:01 PM
check out the denon 1610. the srp is only 24k. i can give you good deals on denon and hk receivers. :)

Sir, where is your location?
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: Verbl Kint on Oct 28, 2009 at 05:28 PM
What's a good receiver to drive diy_master's proac clones? Looking for a 2.1 setup to start then move to surround later on. Since it's for my mom, I'd like a more user-friendly device.

Reposting the question.  Thanks!
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: ayosbathere on Oct 28, 2009 at 06:04 PM
for onkyo the 500 series. the onkyo's 600 series is really in between, some consider them entry level too. for harman kardon the 150 series. for denon it would be 1600 series. yamaha, it will be the 460 and 560 series.

yari.. ma sars ako nito... 607 nakuha ko HAHAHHA
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: iiinas on Oct 28, 2009 at 07:06 PM
yari.. ma sars ako nito... 607 nakuha ko HAHAHHA

ok na yan sir. its a very good model already. and all the bells and whistles are all there already. if your room is not very big, then the avr's receiver should be enough to drive your chosen speakers.  :)
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: iiinas on Oct 28, 2009 at 07:11 PM
What's a good receiver to drive diy_master's proac clones? Looking for a 2.1 setup to start. Since it's for my mom, I'd like a more user-friendly device.

does your mom listen to radio a lot. or you are setting this up for her to play cds. if its for cds, then why dont you try a two channel integrated amp, you can try cambridge or marantz. great for two channel listening, and i think it will work well with the sir anthony's clone. and i think it easier to operate than receivers (for moms).

you can also choose this (integrated) if your mom listens to radio but you have to buy a tuner for it, and it may now turn out to be more expensive than the receiver route.

but if you really want a receiver, i think an entry level yamaha receiver (rx465 perhaps) can be enough to drive those clones. and yamahas have a lot of music dsp for those music listening moments.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: gutierrez on Nov 10, 2009 at 09:01 AM
Ano mas warm / laid back marantz or denon?  let's say both entry level amp?
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: Verbl Kint on Nov 10, 2009 at 03:27 PM
does your mom listen to radio a lot. or you are setting this up for her to play cds. if its for cds, then why dont you try a two channel integrated amp, you can try cambridge or marantz. great for two channel listening, and i think it will work well with the sir anthony's clone. and i think it easier to operate than receivers (for moms).

you can also choose this (integrated) if your mom listens to radio but you have to buy a tuner for it, and it may now turn out to be more expensive than the receiver route.

but if you really want a receiver, i think an entry level yamaha receiver (rx465 perhaps) can be enough to drive those clones. and yamahas have a lot of music dsp for those music listening moments.

Thanks! 

I'm having second thoughts on many of my original choices as I saw Tannoy Mercury F4's being sold cheap along with a Marantz SR3001. :)
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: reynold on Nov 10, 2009 at 07:20 PM
Here's my non-expert advise in choosing a receiver.

Choose the model with more power as much as possible. If you have money to buy a brand new 607, why not look for an alternative like buying a pre-owned 805 at the same price. As per experience with receivers of different brands & models, lower-end models equipped w/ new technologies DOES NOT EQUATE the power of higher-end older models. In other words, the more power, the better! Lets put it this way, I have this Denon 789/1909 that can internally decode lossless codecs, the quality of sound it produces cannot beat the Marantz SR6001, Denon 3806, Yamaha 1700, HK 347, Onkyo 804 & the non-HDMI HK 635. Though negligible difference vs. the Denon 887. It is good to see the receiver displaying " Dolby TruHD, DTS MA" whenever you play lossless codecs but thats just it. Of course it's totally different story if you have the extra money to buy high-end new models like the Denon 3310, Onkyo 876. Please note that I am not giving this advise because i have receivers for sale at the marketplace. You can look around, visit reputable distributors here in the Philippines and ask (better if you compare side-by side) for older but higher end models. Iwasan na ang SARS ngayong 2010, Iba na ang usong sakit ngayon!  ;D

Well said, power first before technology upgrades... what's the use of additional features if you cant feel its performance in your own room? ;)
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: nogie on Nov 10, 2009 at 07:54 PM
Well said, power first before technology upgrades... what's the use of additional features if you cant feel its performance in your own room? ;)

kaya lang it took me a while and lots of investment to figure this out. ;D no wonder why you still keep your "KICK ASS" yammy dsp a1 receiver. kahit pre-owned mahal pa rin yan! ;D
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: avshop on Nov 17, 2009 at 10:14 PM
anyone interested in the new hk 660 and hk 760? coming soon. :)
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: sonofgtg on Nov 19, 2009 at 11:13 PM
hi mga sir, ok po ba yung reciver na akai 4300?for ps3 and dvd videoke sana..malakas na kaya output nito? eto po yung link: http://www.akai.com/product_detail.asp?id=3&id2=17&id3=54 (http://www.akai.com/product_detail.asp?id=3&id2=17&id3=54)  thank you..
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: neorm2k on Nov 23, 2009 at 08:28 AM
Hi Guys,

Can someone comment on the product Pioneer VSX-1019AH-K.. please

I am impress with the review and the price.. kasya sa budget.. hehe

http://reviews.cnet.com/av-receivers/pioneer-vsx-1019ah-k/4505-6466_7-33496205.html?tag=mncol;lst

Can someone know where can I buy this item? or any body here selling it?
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: javauser on Nov 29, 2009 at 03:05 PM
by the way, big difference ba talaga ang Dolby Digital sa Dolby TrueHD, and DTS sa DTS HD?

I actually have an existing Outlaw 1050 kasi which supports DTS and Dolby Digital. I don't know if I'm really missing out, and if I should really upgrade.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: streetsmart on Nov 30, 2009 at 07:11 AM
by the way, big difference ba talaga ang Dolby Digital sa Dolby TrueHD, and DTS sa DTS HD?

Based on blind tests conducted by Pinoydvd members, there is little difference if you are watching a film. There is a bigger difference if you are watching a concert.

I actually have an existing Outlaw 1050 kasi which supports DTS and Dolby Digital. I don't know if I'm really missing out, and if I should really upgrade.

More than lossless audio, I find that the value of the newer AVR's is in their video processing, room correction technology such as Audyssey and their bass management.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: av_phile1 on Nov 30, 2009 at 10:10 AM
May I know what new receivers out there have multichannel PRE-OUTs?  TIA.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: iiinas on Nov 30, 2009 at 10:28 AM
for onkyo's, starting with 705, 706, 707, 805, 806, 807, 875, 876 all have multichannel pre-outs. of course all the high end models will have them too.

for yamaha's starting 663, 665 up.

for the denon's, multichannel pre-outs will only appear on the 3310 up.

Title: 20k Budget for RECEIVER and/or SUB
Post by: bortnort on Dec 07, 2009 at 01:03 PM
Newbie Help

I have a Playstation 3 and 2 Bose front speakers already (newbie, sorry, I still don't know what those are called and their model). I plan to stay within the 2.1(priority) to 5.1(max) area.

What do you recommend for Receivers and Subs for this (20k) budget?

Should I go for DTS-HD because of the Playstation? Or should i just stay with older models? This will be used mostly for Playstation and Movies/Shows/TV. Seems like I won't be needing an upconverter because the Playstation 3 does that.

Once I have the 2.1 set up, I don't think i will update to 5.1 soon. But if my receiver can be prepared for these (upconversion and DTS-HD) and fit the budget, I would not mind.
 
What do you guys think?

Your inputs, with me being a noob, would be very much appreciated.

Thank you in advance.
Title: Re: 20k Budget for RECEIVER and/or SUB
Post by: bortnort on Dec 07, 2009 at 01:14 PM
Sub can wait...

Kahit best bang for my buck receiver muna...

Thanks again!!!
Title: Re: 20k Budget for RECEIVER and/or SUB
Post by: eksi on Dec 07, 2009 at 01:26 PM
i reco new model entry level denon receiver, think this is within your budget
Title: Re: 20k Budget for RECEIVER and/or SUB
Post by: bortnort on Dec 07, 2009 at 01:34 PM
Thanks Eksi. Much Appreciated.

What entry level Denon models do you recommend? I'll research specs and price. A personal Christmas gift of some sort =)


i reco new model entry level denon receiver, think this is within your budget

Title: Re: 20k Budget for RECEIVER and/or SUB
Post by: alistair on Dec 07, 2009 at 03:29 PM
I bought my receiver second hand, but in excellent condition for 12.5k. You should be able to find more than capable HK, Denon or Onkyo 5.1 receivers in the sub-20k range, easily, just don't go for the newest or top of the line models. For example, you won't need an HDMI receiver since the PS3 audio can be connected to your receiver via optical cable (and keep the HDMI or component video straight to your TV).

If you upgrade later, consider replacing your Bose satellites with better, even just entry-level bookshelf speakers. A pair of Wharfedale 9.1's shouldn't cost more than 8thou. Later, you can pair them with rear speakers, or buy pair of floorstanders for the front and then use the bookshelves as rears.

With a good pair of floorstanders as fronts, you won't even really need a sub except if you really want rumble and LFE (low frequency).

But a good receiver can last you for years, and will start paying off immediately.
Title: Re: 20k Budget for RECEIVER and/or SUB
Post by: jarod on Dec 07, 2009 at 07:05 PM
Very sound advice sir alistair.

I hope bortnort would not mind but what specific models for the said receivers would you mind suggesting for? For newbies like myself, I tried reading as much info as I can but suggestions from experienced users is really a goldmine.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: av_phile1 on Dec 07, 2009 at 08:19 PM
I can't help blurt out that you'll never realize the advantage of Dolby TrueHD or DTS MasterAudio on Bose speakers.  Not even uncompressed LPCM from your PS3. 
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: disturbed on Dec 07, 2009 at 09:22 PM
try denon 1910 sir..will serve you for the years to come.

but hopefully upgrade your speakers sir agad..sayang nga lang if Bose gamitin mo ika nga ni sir avphile
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: bortnort on Dec 07, 2009 at 11:30 PM
Thanks guys.

This will actually be (hopefully it pushes thru) my first set up. So I'm a newbie, literally. Learning everything as I go. The Bose Speakers are just hand-me-downs so I can't complain, yet, until I get a receiver and for sure I'll realize "These speakers suck!"  ;D

I was also actually hesitant to buy second hand and not up-to-date receivers because:

1. i think they won't have any resale value (when i want to upgrade)
2. they might break down on me quicker (since i watch tv and play ps3 all night, every night)
3. i honestly don't know where to look, what to look for, and what i'll be needing.

I guess i should start with model suggestions.

What model of Onkyo, Yamaha, or Denon should I get that's worthy?

I was actually eying the Onkyo TX-SR507 or the 606. Bnew though.

I'm not really sure what reliable 2nd hand models or brands there are so i'm pretty much winging it.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: smitfraud on Dec 08, 2009 at 07:35 PM
Mga Sir help kung anong mas ok sa dalawa:

Yamaha RX-V350 or Pioneer VSX-519-k?
Yamaha RX-V350 =2nd hand 6500
Pioneer VSX-519-k = Brand new 15999

thanks
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: avshop on Dec 13, 2009 at 11:39 PM
the new hk avr 160 now available for audition. :)
Title: Pls help me find a suitable receiver
Post by: mars on Dec 21, 2009 at 12:02 PM
Hi Guys. Hope you can help me find a suitable receiver with the following features:

1) With digital optical audio in (preferrably 2 inputs)
2) connections for 5 speakers (front, center, surround) and 2 passive subs
3) maximum of 130 watts per channel (yun ang rating ng JVC speakers ko)
4) HDMI in and out (optional)
5) Budget between 7K-15K

I earlier saw a Pioneer receiver that almost met all the specs. Problem lang is that it can only accommodate active subs.

Sa present setup ko kasi, if I play dvd's sa JVC DXU10 ko, multichannel ang sound, but when I hook it up sa bluray player, hanggang ProLogic II lang kasi analog ang aux audio inputs (rca). Unless may paraan to convert the analog inputs to digital optical inputs (pero mukhang mission impossible ito).

Thanks.

Title: Re: Pls help me find a suitable receiver
Post by: Stagea on Dec 21, 2009 at 06:20 PM
Most receivers only have active sub outs. When hooking up passive subs, you normally wire them to the front L/R speaker outs and let a passive LPF take out the highs (and preferrably run a HPF for your other front speaks).
Title: Re: Pls help me find a suitable receiver
Post by: ProtegeManiac on Dec 21, 2009 at 10:22 PM
Are you trying to use HTiB speakers with a separate receiver? Not adviseable, either you have problems with the sub freq and power or you'll barely hear the difference.
Title: Re: Pls help me find a suitable receiver
Post by: mars on Dec 22, 2009 at 02:13 PM
Are you trying to use HTiB speakers with a separate receiver? Not adviseable, either you have problems with the sub freq and power or you'll barely hear the difference.

Yes. I'll be using JVC speakers from my system. Is there a way to convert a passive sub to active sub using an amp or similar device?
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: Othan on Jan 12, 2010 at 10:26 PM
noob question

i have a nextbase dvd upscaling but it has no DTS decoder.  if i buy an AVR with DTS decoder, hook the player thru hdmi or optical, will i hear a DTS sound?  paanoong setup gagawin?

TIA


by the way, i have an old Pioneer Linear power KAZZE Speakers with 8ohms and 100W max output, and i'm planning use it as front speakers, what other speakers (low budget) na pwedeng center, surrounds and subwoofer?  im contemplatting to buy wharfedale WH-2 surrounds and center, and a jamo SW.

Thanks again

Title: Re: Pls help me find a suitable receiver
Post by: av_phile1 on Jan 15, 2010 at 08:46 PM
I doubt if your JVC "subwoofers" can go low enough.  But what you can do is make your JVC act as an amplifier for its subwoofer. 

Get the new HTIB you want that can accept your BD player's HMDI output.  Just make sure the speaker impedances match between the JVC speakers (L/R, front/rear and center) and the new HTIB.  Then connect the sub out of the new HTIB to your JVC aux input using a Y-RCA to slit the mono sub signal to two for your JVC's aux stereo input. 
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: amilson on Jan 20, 2010 at 07:15 PM
hi guys can you help me choose a  av i have a 20-25k budget and im choosing between the onkyo 507 and denon 1610. which one is better or you could suggest anything else. thanks in advance im going to use it on a tsi 300 standers
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: maxiadrian on Jan 21, 2010 at 12:13 AM
Guys, newbie here when it comes to audio,

Need suggestions on a good receiver. budget is 10k below. I will be partnering it for Kumyoung Vivaus Pro II, PS3 and Xtreamer. so far, nagcacanvass pa lang ako ng speakers. maliit lang naman ang sala namin, 11.5ft x 10.5 ft. im thinking of a two speaker setup plus one active subwoofer... Need recommendations from the gurus. thanks :)
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: dj on Feb 05, 2010 at 01:53 PM
mga sir saw an onkyo ht-r500 ito din ata yung onkyo tx-sr500 minus the speaker package, selling for P4,000.00 pesos w/out the speakers. pwede na kaya sya? or mahal sya?

thank you!

dj
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: bebot santos on Feb 05, 2010 at 03:37 PM
mga sir saw an onkyo ht-r500 ito din ata yung onkyo tx-sr500 minus the speaker package, selling for P4,000.00 pesos w/out the speakers. pwede na kaya sya? or mahal sya?

thank you!

dj

If it is tsxr 500 its a good buy for 4k! grab it.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: John E. on Feb 05, 2010 at 04:59 PM
mga sir saw an onkyo ht-r500 ito din ata yung onkyo tx-sr500 minus the speaker package, selling for P4,000.00 pesos w/out the speakers. pwede na kaya sya? or mahal sya?

thank you!

dj

good buy na yan mas mahal pa ata ang konzert ;)
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: dj on Feb 06, 2010 at 11:46 AM
thank you for the inputs try ko na lang tawaran sabi kasi kahapon may last price pa. may kasama na rin problem pagbinili ko wala kapartner na speakers hehehehe.

dj
Title: Re: 20k Budget for RECEIVER and/or SUB
Post by: lithium_deuteride on Feb 06, 2010 at 04:56 PM
If you upgrade later, consider replacing your Bose satellites with better, even just entry-level bookshelf speakers. A pair of Wharfedale 9.1's shouldn't cost more than 8thou.

Depends on what Bose speakers he has. Am not a Bose fan but am not a Wharf fan either. Most Bose speakers I've heard sound a lot better than the Wharf 9.1 IMHO.

Title: Please help me choose
Post by: Penguin45 on Feb 13, 2010 at 02:53 AM
I'm finally getting my first receiver soon. If only looking at the performance and features, which would you recommend, the Onkyo TX-SR707 or the Denon AVR-1910? I will be using it mostly for movies.
Title: Re: Please help me choose
Post by: gutierrez on Feb 13, 2010 at 08:03 AM
I'm finally getting my first receiver soon. If only looking at the performance and features, which would you recommend, the Onkyo TX-SR707 or the Denon AVR-1910? I will be using it mostly for movies.

1910 is not in the same league as onkyo 707, so definitely 707 is the way to go.
Title: Re: Please help me choose
Post by: Onkyo606 on Feb 13, 2010 at 09:02 AM
I'm finally getting my first receiver soon. If only looking at the performance and features, which would you recommend, the Onkyo TX-SR707 or the Denon AVR-1910? I will be using it mostly for movies.

what i usually do before purchasing a receiver is do a side by side comparison and try to determine if the fetaures of the receivers i compare are sometime i would really need, significant cost difference are driven by some feautres that one receiver has over the other but if you dont need it, why bother. after doing the side by side comparison, i will auditon and listen to how it sound prefereably with the same speaker i have or something similar

after doing both excercises, i will decide according to my preference

was able to listen to a 1910 and was impressed by how it sounded both for movies and audio, IMHO, it sounded a tad better to my Onkyo606 in the audio part but in the movie part, the 606 has more punch and power,  i believe the 707 is a higher model than 606 so if our ears would have the same preference, then it must be 707 for you.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: Penguin45 on Feb 16, 2010 at 10:59 PM
@gutierrez and @Onkyo606, thanks for the input. I guess the Onkyo TX-SR707 it is. Now to go over to the speakers section to get some speaker sugestions. Thanks again!
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: holybeer on Feb 19, 2010 at 04:35 PM
Hi to Everyone,

Please help me decide which a/v receiver to buy, Pioneer vsx-519v or Wharfedale avr 5110? Which is better or you recommend for my wharfe 10.1 speakers and polk psw110 sub?

Bagohan lang kasi ako regarding receivers and small budget lang kaya ko.

Hope to received inputs from you guys, i'm planning to get one next week.

Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: Onkyo606 on Feb 19, 2010 at 04:46 PM
Hi to Everyone,

Please help me decide which a/v receiver to buy, Pioneer vsx-519v or Wharfedale avr 5110? Which is better or you recommend for my wharfe 10.1 speakers and polk psw110 sub?

Bagohan lang kasi ako regarding receivers and small budget lang kaya ko.

Hope to received inputs from you guys, i'm planning to get one next week.

Thanks in advance.

DROP THE WHARFE, i heard it sound IMHO its not good, 519 should be better.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: Onkyo606 on Feb 19, 2010 at 05:05 PM
DROP THE WHARFE, i heard it sound IMHO its not good, 519 should be better.

just to qulaify my statement i audtioned a speaker using the wharfe receiver and i was surprise that the speaker sounded not the way i expected it, but when the same speaker was auditoned using a different receiver, it sounded 10 times better.

its always good to audition.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: holybeer on Feb 19, 2010 at 09:19 PM
just to qulaify my statement i audtioned a speaker using the wharfe receiver and i was surprise that the speaker sounded not the way i expected it, but when the same speaker was auditoned using a different receiver, it sounded 10 times better.

its always good to audition.

Sir, appreciated your info, i'll get the VSX519 receiver.

Many thanks,

HolyBeer
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: holybeer on Feb 19, 2010 at 09:22 PM
just to qulaify my statement i audtioned a speaker using the wharfe receiver and i was surprise that the speaker sounded not the way i expected it, but when the same speaker was auditoned using a different receiver, it sounded 10 times better.

its always good to audition.

Sir, appreciated your info, i'll get the VSX519 receiver.

Many thanks,

HolyBeer
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: John E. on Feb 20, 2010 at 12:10 AM
Sir, appreciated your info, i'll get the VSX519 receiver.

Many thanks,

HolyBeer

why not get sir onkyo's onkyo506?
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: holybeer on Feb 20, 2010 at 04:59 AM
How much this cost and where can i get this?
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: John E. on Feb 20, 2010 at 05:16 AM
PM mo si sir ONKYO606/Tirso
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: Verbl Kint on Feb 20, 2010 at 05:22 AM
You might also want to check the marketplace.  There are plenty of good deals to be had, you just have to be a bit patient and vigilant (unahan kasi talaga).
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: holybeer on Feb 20, 2010 at 05:36 AM
Thanks sa info nyo, really appreciated all your advise.


Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: wacksy1021 on Feb 25, 2010 at 02:11 PM
Mga Sirs,

I need you inputs. I am looking at purchasing a reciever to be partnered with Wharfes 9 series. I am torn on what to choose between the Yamaha 465, Denon 1610 or the Onkyo 507. Will primarily use it for HT with occasional music listening. Siguro HT 80% 20% sa music.

Also considering having a older model Onkyo 307 or the Denon 1509 and just use the remaining funds from what i save to the speakers. Ok lang din naman sa akin ang pass thru lang and magkabit ng ditital audio connection.

Thanks and hope to hear from your thoughts on this. Thanks.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: John E. on Feb 25, 2010 at 02:24 PM
Mga Sirs,

I need you inputs. I am looking at purchasing a reciever to be partnered with Wharfes 9 series. I am torn on what to choose between the Yamaha 465, Denon 1610 or the Onkyo 507. Will primarily use it for HT with occasional music listening. Siguro HT 80% 20% sa music.

Also considering having a older model Onkyo 307 or the Denon 1509 and just use the remaining funds from what i save to the speakers. Ok lang din naman sa akin ang pass thru lang and magkabit ng ditital audio connection.

Thanks and hope to hear from your thoughts on this. Thanks.

specs wise all are almost identical. i'd pick onkyo.

Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: wacksy1021 on Feb 25, 2010 at 02:28 PM
specs wise all are almost identical. i'd pick onkyo.



Oo nga eh. Thanks sir. What do you think about the second dilemma. Do I go with the newer recievers with Audio and Video full HD properties or the more toned down HDMI pass through only.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: John E. on Feb 25, 2010 at 02:32 PM
Oo nga eh. Thanks sir. What do you think about the second dilemma. Do I go with the newer recievers with Audio and Video full HD properties or the more toned down HDMI pass through only.

go with the newer models para less SARS. hirap kasi every year may new models at madaling mapag iwanan. why not consider the onkyo 606 very good for both audio and HT with very decent power.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: wacksy1021 on Feb 25, 2010 at 02:38 PM
go with the newer models para less SARS. hirap kasi every year may new models at madaling mapag iwanan. why not consider the onkyo 606 very good for both audio and HT with very decent power.

Yun nga din naisip ko eh. How much is the Onkyo 606 nowadays? I have a working budget din kasi and this is my first HT setup.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: John E. on Feb 26, 2010 at 03:24 AM
Yun nga din naisip ko eh. How much is the Onkyo 606 nowadays? I have a working budget din kasi and this is my first HT setup.

check this http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php?topic=98784.0 electrohaus_lp's receiver thread at the buy and sell section.

last time i checked (mga last month) may 606 pa ata sya ;)

or why not use 0% interest via credit cars which sights and sounds also offer.

pag first set-up prone to SARS so better make it lasting ;)
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: Verbl Kint on Feb 26, 2010 at 07:43 AM
Mga Sirs,

I need you inputs. I am looking at purchasing a reciever to be partnered with Wharfes 9 series. I am torn on what to choose between the Yamaha 465, Denon 1610 or the Onkyo 507. Will primarily use it for HT with occasional music listening. Siguro HT 80% 20% sa music.

Also considering having a older model Onkyo 307 or the Denon 1509 and just use the remaining funds from what i save to the speakers. Ok lang din naman sa akin ang pass thru lang and magkabit ng ditital audio connection.

Thanks and hope to hear from your thoughts on this. Thanks.

Another thing you need to take into account would, of course, be your budget.  Stretching it even a little bit more would prove to be quite beneficial, especially in the case of the Onkyos, where price differences between one model to the next could be quite negligible.  Yung tipong konting dagdag lang sa ipon higher-spec na yung unit.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: questforthegoodlife on Feb 27, 2010 at 08:45 AM
http://gizmodo.com/5480790/av-receiver-battlemodo-600-or-bust

Guys! gizmodo did a AV receiver review of 4 $600 receivers. Pioneer comes out on top, then Onkyo, followed by Denon, with Yamaha at dead last.

You might want to check out the link above.

Also can somebody tell me where i can buy this particular model ==> Pioneer VSX-1019AH-K

thanks!
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: TOY 01 on Feb 27, 2010 at 08:51 AM
Bro post mo sa audio section ng marketplace
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: vx2 on Feb 27, 2010 at 10:13 AM
http://gizmodo.com/5480790/av-receiver-battlemodo-600-or-bust

Guys! gizmodo did a AV receiver review of 4 $600 receivers. Pioneer comes out on top, then Onkyo, followed by Denon, with Yamaha at dead last.

You might want to check out the link above.

Also can somebody tell me where i can buy this particular model ==> Pioneer VSX-1019AH-K

thanks!

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Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: gunslinger on Feb 27, 2010 at 05:19 PM
As per price point locally, these AVRs are not of the same class.

Denon1910 and Onkyo607 are of the same price point with Yamaha765 a little bit higher and Pioneer1019 the most expensive. 

I would say the counterpart of the Denon and Onkyo would be Yamaha565 and Pioneer919. These are the models that have almost the same price range in the local market.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: vx2 on Feb 27, 2010 at 07:06 PM
The 1019 and 919 are basically the same in terms as far as sound processing goes though.

There's a $100 premium for 1019 in the area of, SD video upscale to 1080p (while the 919 does interlacing), iPod OSD Zone 2 and an extra HDMI port.

I chose the 919 in the end since i had no need of the above features anyway. My take is that since the pioneers are not that locally in-demand, they are relatively higher priced than their counterparts.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: myksoriano on Mar 05, 2010 at 02:41 PM
guys pls help me decide wat to buy? Wch of d ff rcver do u thnk s d best?
Onkyo txsr607
Denon 1910
HK avr 355
Ur opini0ns are gr8ly appreciated... Thanx
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: Sanjay on Mar 05, 2010 at 03:09 PM
Why don't you consider the Marantz SR4003, SR5003 or S6003?

Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: myksoriano on Mar 05, 2010 at 03:18 PM
mejo expensive ata un mga marantz eh dba?
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: markcrenz on Mar 05, 2010 at 03:38 PM
guys pls help me decide wat to buy? Wch of d ff rcver do u thnk s d best?
Onkyo txsr607
Denon 1910
HK avr 355
Ur opini0ns are gr8ly appreciated... Thanx
Pardon me but is your keyboard defective?
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: John E. on Mar 05, 2010 at 04:06 PM
guys pls help me decide wat to buy? Wch of d ff rcver do u thnk s d best?
Onkyo txsr607
Denon 1910
HK avr 355
Ur opini0ns are gr8ly appreciated... Thanx

check cnet reviews.

i'd pick onkyo.  :)
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: DIDi10 on Mar 08, 2010 at 09:03 PM
Hello mga sir, newbie lang po. Pa advise lang po, planning kasi ako to buy new audio system pero maliit lang ang budget, mga around 35k to 40k lang. At least 5.1 channel. May nakita ako sa western, yamaha rv-x465 with mordaunt short carnival 6,3,5,9 speakers, medyo mataas ang price but nagandahan ako sa tunog pero looking pa rin sa pocket ko kung kaya pa since may 18 months 0% interest sila. Good buy po ba sya para sa starting? Consider ko rin sana mag 2nd hand if ever mga up to 30k lang (receiver amp with speakers na) since cash basis kasi sya. Di naman priority ang video, more on music lang but can give also good sound din kung manood ng movie. How about yung yamaha rv-x365 with the same package ng speakers? ok din kaya? malaki din kasi difference sa price. Suggestion ng friend ko pioneer 919 pero ang mahal pala..around 40k sa listening room sa megamall. Planning to buy siguro mga a month or 2 from now. Thanks, suggestions and replies are very much appreciated.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: vx2 on Mar 09, 2010 at 12:20 AM
Wait for the new ones incoming this April (at least in the US), they have now hdmi 1.4 support and you can calibrate using iphone/touch. And they have bluetooth accessories.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: gunslinger on Mar 09, 2010 at 12:31 AM
 
Wait for the new ones incoming this April (at least in the US), they have now hdmi 1.4 support and you can calibrate using iphone/touch. And they have bluetooth accessories.

Part of the reason why I'm holding off as long as I can to buy an AVR. I have completed my 5.1 speaker set-up from A-Audio but haven't decided yet what AVR to buy. I was about to pull the trigger last week pero nakita ko nga yung news regarding new models coming out this 2nd quarter. Haayyy..

Tiis na lang muna sa HTIB and my 2.1 set-up for audio. Break in period pa din naman yung FS ko. :)

How long does it take to get to PI pag naglabas na sila ng bagong models sa US? Gusto ko pa din kasi locally purchased for warranty purposes. Significant din ba yung price drop sa previous models pag lumabas na yung mga bago?  ;D
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: questforthegoodlife on Mar 09, 2010 at 07:55 PM
http://gizmodo.com/5488963/onkyos-tx+sr608-is-the-first-thx+certified-3d-av-receiver-and-has-six-hdmi-inputs   

 Onkyo USA has announced March deliveries of its first 3D-Ready home theater receivers and home theater in a box (HTiB) systems. The new models consist of three A/V receivers and three HTiB systems ranging in price from $299 to $599, and all of them support the new HDMI v1.4 connectivity standard for new 3D video displays and Audio Return Channel capabilities. All are exceptionally well equipped to provide a superior music, home theater sound and video experience, with high build-quality and offering excellent value.

    For Onkyo, a name that translates roughly to 'sound harmony' in Japanese, sound quality is preeminent. All these new receivers and HTiBs now decode lossless Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio bitstreams, and include new 192-kHz/24-bit Burr-Brown PCM1690 DAC's that are highly resistant to clock jitter and provide a remarkable 113-dB dynamic range. The lineup includes Onkyo's new easy-to-setup overlaid onscreen graphical display that lets the user watch the program in the background while using the function menus. Additionally, all 2010 HDMI v1.4 models include a new feature call HDMI Thru. HDMI Thru allows content to pass through to the TV when the receiver is in a standby state.

    The new TX-SR608 7.2-channel THX-Select2 Plus certified receiver has new power amplifier section that uses three-stage inverted Darlington output topology, and a power boost from 90 to 100 watts. Audyssey DSX dimensional sound processing has been added to its predecessor's Dolby PLIIz capabilities. Additionally, all video sources, including those using the new PC input, and regardless of source resolution, can be upscaled to big and beautiful 1080p via HDMI and Faroudja DCDi Cinema™. The TX-SR608 will also include a front HDMI input, a feature first introduced by Onkyo in 2009. The TX-SR608 will be available in April at an MSRP of $599.

    The 5.1-channel TX-SR308 and 7.1-channel TX-SR508 round out this initial announcement of A/V Receivers from Onkyo. The TX-SR308 will be available in March with an MSRP of $299, a followed by the TX-SR508 in April for $399.

    The HTiB package systems, which each consist of a receiver, speakers and a subwoofer, are the 5.1-channel HT-S3300 and 7.1-channel HT-S5300; the latter also includes an iPod dock. Thanks to the HDMI interface and the use of advanced Dolby and DTS codecs, all of these receivers and systems are also capable of decoding lossless Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio. The HT-S3300 will ship in March with an MSRP of $379, followed by the HT-S5300 in April for $599.

    A third packaged system departs from the traditional HTiB form factor and uses a combination subwoofer and 3D Ready A/V receiver plus two front speakers. It uses Onkyo's own Theater-Dimensional processor to create an immersive and convincing surround effect through just 2.1 channels. The HTX-22HDX has three HDMI v1.4 inputs, handles HD audio formats from DTS and Dolby; offers four distinct audio modes for gaming; and outputs for additional speakers. The HTX-22HDX will ship in May with a $349 MSRP.

    "Onkyo's 2010 entry-level product line represents a significant jump over last year's line," said Paul Wasek, Onkyo USA's marketing manager. "We are excited to deliver this first wave of 3D capable products. By upgrading to 1.4, even on the least expensive HTiB, we have eliminated all HDMI pass-through products and allowed HD audio formats to be used across the line. The fact that consumers can now buy a THX-Certified receiver with 1080p upscaling, Burr-Brown DACs, PC input and more for under $600 shows Onkyo's clear commitment to delivering performance and value to consumers."

    All of Onkyo's receivers offer exceptional connectivity options with as many as six HDMI inputs, plus component and composite video, numerous stereo input jacks, optical/coaxial digital inputs, and the popular front-panel connections on many models. Two models include Sirius Radio connections, and all these receivers incorporate Onkyo's proprietary Universal Port (U-Port) connector which simplifies connections to optional HD Radio tuners and iPod Docks (included with the HT-S5300).
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: e_none on Mar 15, 2010 at 11:01 AM
as of now i have sir anthony's tablette series consisting of 7 speakers and 1 active sub woofer. balak ko sana is to set up all of this in my room and in need your suggestion po of what specific brand and model ba kailangan ko to maximize the use of this speakers which will be use together with a acer5360 HD 3D projector.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: SETSUT on Apr 04, 2010 at 01:52 AM
http://gizmodo.com/5488963/onkyos-tx+sr608-is-the-first-thx+certified-3d-av-receiver-and-has-six-hdmi-inputs   

 Onkyo USA has announced March deliveries of its first 3D-Ready home theater receivers and home theater in a box (HTiB) systems. The new models consist of three A/V receivers and three HTiB systems ranging in price from $299 to $599, and all of them support the new HDMI v1.4 connectivity standard for new 3D video displays and Audio Return Channel capabilities. All are exceptionally well equipped to provide a superior music, home theater sound and video experience, with high build-quality and offering excellent value.

    For Onkyo, a name that translates roughly to 'sound harmony' in Japanese, sound quality is preeminent. All these new receivers and HTiBs now decode lossless Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio bitstreams, and include new 192-kHz/24-bit Burr-Brown PCM1690 DAC's that are highly resistant to clock jitter and provide a remarkable 113-dB dynamic range. The lineup includes Onkyo's new easy-to-setup overlaid onscreen graphical display that lets the user watch the program in the background while using the function menus. Additionally, all 2010 HDMI v1.4 models include a new feature call HDMI Thru. HDMI Thru allows content to pass through to the TV when the receiver is in a standby state.

    The new TX-SR608 7.2-channel THX-Select2 Plus certified receiver has new power amplifier section that uses three-stage inverted Darlington output topology, and a power boost from 90 to 100 watts. Audyssey DSX dimensional sound processing has been added to its predecessor's Dolby PLIIz capabilities. Additionally, all video sources, including those using the new PC input, and regardless of source resolution, can be upscaled to big and beautiful 1080p via HDMI and Faroudja DCDi Cinema™. The TX-SR608 will also include a front HDMI input, a feature first introduced by Onkyo in 2009. The TX-SR608 will be available in April at an MSRP of $599.

    The 5.1-channel TX-SR308 and 7.1-channel TX-SR508 round out this initial announcement of A/V Receivers from Onkyo. The TX-SR308 will be available in March with an MSRP of $299, a followed by the TX-SR508 in April for $399.

    The HTiB package systems, which each consist of a receiver, speakers and a subwoofer, are the 5.1-channel HT-S3300 and 7.1-channel HT-S5300; the latter also includes an iPod dock. Thanks to the HDMI interface and the use of advanced Dolby and DTS codecs, all of these receivers and systems are also capable of decoding lossless Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio. The HT-S3300 will ship in March with an MSRP of $379, followed by the HT-S5300 in April for $599.

    A third packaged system departs from the traditional HTiB form factor and uses a combination subwoofer and 3D Ready A/V receiver plus two front speakers. It uses Onkyo's own Theater-Dimensional processor to create an immersive and convincing surround effect through just 2.1 channels. The HTX-22HDX has three HDMI v1.4 inputs, handles HD audio formats from DTS and Dolby; offers four distinct audio modes for gaming; and outputs for additional speakers. The HTX-22HDX will ship in May with a $349 MSRP.

    "Onkyo's 2010 entry-level product line represents a significant jump over last year's line," said Paul Wasek, Onkyo USA's marketing manager. "We are excited to deliver this first wave of 3D capable products. By upgrading to 1.4, even on the least expensive HTiB, we have eliminated all HDMI pass-through products and allowed HD audio formats to be used across the line. The fact that consumers can now buy a THX-Certified receiver with 1080p upscaling, Burr-Brown DACs, PC input and more for under $600 shows Onkyo's clear commitment to delivering performance and value to consumers."

    All of Onkyo's receivers offer exceptional connectivity options with as many as six HDMI inputs, plus component and composite video, numerous stereo input jacks, optical/coaxial digital inputs, and the popular front-panel connections on many models. Two models include Sirius Radio connections, and all these receivers incorporate Onkyo's proprietary Universal Port (U-Port) connector which simplifies connections to optional HD Radio tuners and iPod Docks (included with the HT-S5300).


any updates? Kelan kaya available ito sa atin?
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: shrek250190 on Apr 30, 2010 at 06:33 PM
mga master,

newbie lng po in HT set up..currently my set up is just htib (HTZ220), cinema tube and 32".  gs2 ko sna upgrade (plitan ung htib)...pro d ko lam kung san mgstart (speaker or AVR) due to tight budget...please advise kung anu dpat una kong bilhin or kelangan sbay tlga?  thanks..

sorry noob / newbie lng po..thanks...
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: sherwinlou on May 04, 2010 at 01:52 AM
 Will the Yamaha 465 can perform well in both music and movie? im looking forward for this avr any inputs here,and prices.Tia (advantage and disadvantage) :)
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: DIDi10 on May 04, 2010 at 07:40 AM
Will the Yamaha 465 can perform well in both music and movie? im looking forward for this avr any inputs here,and prices.Tia (advantage and disadvantage) :)

Hi sir, i have this unit. newbie lang po ako at ito first avr ko....for me, im very satisfied sa looks and sound qaulity nya. i paired it with polk audio tsi300, music and movie is very good to me. for me, its a good choice for an entry level avr. 
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: sherwinlou on May 05, 2010 at 07:35 PM
3D-Ready home theater receivers- ano po ba ang gamit nito Tia im choosing between onkyoHT-s3300 and yamaha 465
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: MeTHoD_Man on May 07, 2010 at 05:58 PM
Can anyone help me choose av receiver with my 20k budget. im upgrading my HT.


Tanong lang po, saan ba makakabili ng Konzert KHT-501 speaker at ano ang magandang amplifier for this speakers?
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: Nelson de Leon on May 30, 2010 at 12:12 PM
mga master,

newbie lng po in HT set up..currently my set up is just htib (HTZ220), cinema tube and 32".  gs2 ko sna upgrade (plitan ung htib)...pro d ko lam kung san mgstart (speaker or AVR) due to tight budget...please advise kung anu dpat una kong bilhin or kelangan sbay tlga?  thanks..

sorry noob / newbie lng po..thanks...

HTib din ako dati. I started with speakers. After ko mapalitan ang 5 speakers, i told my wife na bitin pala yun speaker upgrade kaya pumayag na siya sa receiver upgrade.
Title: newbie looking for a receiver
Post by: snipermax on Aug 15, 2010 at 02:18 AM
hi! newbie lang me nde lang dito sa forum kundi pati sa receiver thing. so totally i have no idea what to look for, please help!

recently kasi i purchased a multimedia player and i loaded it with hd movies. yung mga outputs ng media player ko is rca, pybr, spdif and hdmi. right now ang ginagamit ko is yung hdmi na naka connect sa lcd tv ko.

ang problem ko ngayun is regarding sa sound. how can i make it 5.1? may nagsabi na need ko daw receiver. so media player connect ko sa receiver hdmi then hdmi out ng receiver connect ko sa lcd ko and 5.1 na raw yun. kaso may mga nababasa ako na hdmi repeater ang pass thru only? ano yun? takot tuloy ako bumili basta kasi baka hindi naman maging 5.1 yung sound nya eh sayang lang pera,..

ano ba dapat ang i consider ko? muntik ko na kunin yung pioneer vsx 519 plus speakers na todoraki ba yun?

please help! ??? ???
Title: Re: newbie looking for a receiver
Post by: audiojunkie on Aug 15, 2010 at 02:31 AM

hi! una 'di mo nabanggit brand ng media player mo. ang gamit ko kasi WD HD TV na ang default audio ay stereo. so, I assume na sa audio setting ang kailangan mong tingnan  at gawin mo itong "digital" kung nasa stereo or gawing mong HDMI ang audio/video output. kung ang AVR ay pass thru ang HDMI (IMHO) it will still decode the audio as digital 5.1/7.1 thru HDMI connection.

HTH.
Title: Re: newbie looking for a receiver
Post by: snipermax on Aug 15, 2010 at 02:40 AM
astone ap 200 ung media player ko,.
un bang hdmi pass thru at repeater eh walang kinalaman sa 5.1 sound?
example media player hdmi connect ko sa receiver then receiver hdmi connect ko sa lcd for the video eh ok na yun? 5.1 na yun? yung sound set up nung media player ko is i think kaya ko na i set yun for 5.1 multi channel.

and tama lang ba yung price nung pioneer receiver and speaker set for 32k?

thanks!
Title: Re: newbie looking for a receiver
Post by: xyobub on Aug 15, 2010 at 02:55 AM
madami dami ng mahahakot nyang 32k mo bro. ang suggestion ko ay wharfadale speakers tapos kuha ka nalang sa marketplace ng mint condition na receiver. stretch ka lang ng kaunti ng budget. pero di lalagpas ng 40k. swak yan.  ;)
Title: Re: newbie looking for a receiver
Post by: snipermax on Aug 16, 2010 at 05:11 AM
around how much kaya yung may hdmi inputs? yun kasi yung gagamitin ko connection, actually yun lang kasi ang meron sa media player ko,..tnx!
Title: Help please...
Post by: loft216 on Aug 21, 2010 at 08:39 AM
hi pdvd!

planning to revive my old HT set up. can you guys suggest an upgrade from my yamaha dsp-3090? i'm using b&w s1 602, 601 and cc6 with jbl subs.

is the yamaha RX-V467 any good? how much does it cost?

what other options do i have? i'm ok in getting any brand.

TAI!

cheers!
Title: Re: Help please...
Post by: audiojunkie on Aug 21, 2010 at 10:16 AM


IMHO,if you are open to consider other brands visit A/V around and take a listen. most current AVR models have packed with features from auto-setup, I/O & A/V decoding chips.. ;D
Title: Re: Help please...
Post by: loft216 on Aug 23, 2010 at 08:11 AM
with the huge variety of a/vrs in the market, i would appreciate it if pdvd guys can give suggestions so i'll have an idea what to look for.

budget is around 25k.

cheers!
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: cls on Sep 13, 2010 at 08:20 PM
Hi guys. Decided to get an AVR muna. To follow nalang yung speakers . Ive narrowed down my choices of AVRs. Im choosing between Onkyo Ht RC260 (almost same specs of 608 minus the THX) and Denon 1611. Any feedbacks between the two? Would appreciate your comments/suggestions. Thanks

ONKYO HT RC260-http://www.onkyousa.com/model.cfm?m=HT-RC260&class=Receiver&p=i
DENON 1611-http://www.denon.co.uk/site/popup/index.php?Pid=444&action=start&ver=1
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: Onkyo606 on Sep 13, 2010 at 08:32 PM
Hi guys. Decided to get an AVR muna. To follow nalang yung speakers . Ive narrowed down my choices of AVRs. Im choosing between Onkyo Ht RC260 (almost same specs of 608 minus the THX) and Denon 1611. Any feedbacks between the two? Would appreciate your comments/suggestions. Thanks

ONKYO HT RC260-http://www.onkyousa.com/model.cfm?m=HT-RC260&class=Receiver&p=i
DENON 1611-http://www.denon.co.uk/site/popup/index.php?Pid=444&action=start&ver=1

sir why dont you check out the price of the HT RC180 instead, I belive it has gone low already perhaps just  a little higher than RC260. HTRC180 is way way better than the RC260
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: cls on Sep 13, 2010 at 08:50 PM
Hi sir. just checked out the rc180. Defenitely better specs than the 260 but its more than 20k na.my budget is only 15k :)
When I was researching on the 1611 and the rc260, the onkyo definitely has more features than the 1611 but according to some reviews, the denon had a better Audyssey Multeq function. Dont know if this is 100% true though.
sir why dont you check out the price of the HT RC180 instead, I belive it has gone low already perhaps just  a little higher than RC260. HTRC180 is way way better than the RC260
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: Othan on Sep 13, 2010 at 09:02 PM
try visiting the pioneeer repair shop in west ave.  they are also selling an onkyo HTIB but without subwoofer, just for P17K if i remember it right the last time i visited there a month ago.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: reynold on Sep 14, 2010 at 02:24 PM
http://gizmodo.com/5488963/onkyos-tx+sr608-is-the-first-thx+certified-3d-av-receiver-and-has-six-hdmi-inputs   

 Onkyo USA has announced March deliveries of its first 3D-Ready home theater receivers and home theater in a box (HTiB) systems. The new models consist of three A/V receivers and three HTiB systems ranging in price from $299 to $599, and all of them support the new HDMI v1.4 connectivity standard for new 3D video displays and Audio Return Channel capabilities. All are exceptionally well equipped to provide a superior music, home theater sound and video experience, with high build-quality and offering excellent value.

    For Onkyo, a name that translates roughly to 'sound harmony' in Japanese, sound quality is preeminent. All these new receivers and HTiBs now decode lossless Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio bitstreams, and include new 192-kHz/24-bit Burr-Brown PCM1690 DAC's that are highly resistant to clock jitter and provide a remarkable 113-dB dynamic range. The lineup includes Onkyo's new easy-to-setup overlaid onscreen graphical display that lets the user watch the program in the background while using the function menus. Additionally, all 2010 HDMI v1.4 models include a new feature call HDMI Thru. HDMI Thru allows content to pass through to the TV when the receiver is in a standby state.

    The new TX-SR608 7.2-channel THX-Select2 Plus certified receiver has new power amplifier section that uses three-stage inverted Darlington output topology, and a power boost from 90 to 100 watts. Audyssey DSX dimensional sound processing has been added to its predecessor's Dolby PLIIz capabilities. Additionally, all video sources, including those using the new PC input, and regardless of source resolution, can be upscaled to big and beautiful 1080p via HDMI and Faroudja DCDi Cinema™. The TX-SR608 will also include a front HDMI input, a feature first introduced by Onkyo in 2009. The TX-SR608 will be available in April at an MSRP of $599.

    The 5.1-channel TX-SR308 and 7.1-channel TX-SR508 round out this initial announcement of A/V Receivers from Onkyo. The TX-SR308 will be available in March with an MSRP of $299, a followed by the TX-SR508 in April for $399.

    The HTiB package systems, which each consist of a receiver, speakers and a subwoofer, are the 5.1-channel HT-S3300 and 7.1-channel HT-S5300; the latter also includes an iPod dock. Thanks to the HDMI interface and the use of advanced Dolby and DTS codecs, all of these receivers and systems are also capable of decoding lossless Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio. The HT-S3300 will ship in March with an MSRP of $379, followed by the HT-S5300 in April for $599.

    A third packaged system departs from the traditional HTiB form factor and uses a combination subwoofer and 3D Ready A/V receiver plus two front speakers. It uses Onkyo's own Theater-Dimensional processor to create an immersive and convincing surround effect through just 2.1 channels. The HTX-22HDX has three HDMI v1.4 inputs, handles HD audio formats from DTS and Dolby; offers four distinct audio modes for gaming; and outputs for additional speakers. The HTX-22HDX will ship in May with a $349 MSRP.

    "Onkyo's 2010 entry-level product line represents a significant jump over last year's line," said Paul Wasek, Onkyo USA's marketing manager. "We are excited to deliver this first wave of 3D capable products. By upgrading to 1.4, even on the least expensive HTiB, we have eliminated all HDMI pass-through products and allowed HD audio formats to be used across the line. The fact that consumers can now buy a THX-Certified receiver with 1080p upscaling, Burr-Brown DACs, PC input and more for under $600 shows Onkyo's clear commitment to delivering performance and value to consumers."

    All of Onkyo's receivers offer exceptional connectivity options with as many as six HDMI inputs, plus component and composite video, numerous stereo input jacks, optical/coaxial digital inputs, and the popular front-panel connections on many models. Two models include Sirius Radio connections, and all these receivers incorporate Onkyo's proprietary Universal Port (U-Port) connector which simplifies connections to optional HD Radio tuners and iPod Docks (included with the HT-S5300).


Available na ba 'to dito? what's the price kaya nito if ever... it would be a great receiver at less than 30k if ever ;)
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: boyet0173 on Sep 14, 2010 at 03:52 PM
mga sirs..

     Between HK 160 and yamaha 467 ano ang maganda? any inputs are greatly appreciated. tia
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: [r0n1n] on Sep 18, 2010 at 03:14 PM
mga sirs..

     Between HK 160 and yamaha 467 ano ang maganda? any inputs are greatly appreciated. tia

sir audition mo na lang. dalhin mo yung speakers mo para alam mo kung matched. katulad ko, may gusto akong combo, pero pag dating ng audition iba yung nabili  ;D
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: boyet0173 on Sep 20, 2010 at 09:34 PM
sir audition mo na lang. dalhin mo yung speakers mo para alam mo kung matched. katulad ko, may gusto akong combo, pero pag dating ng audition iba yung nabili  ;D

@r0n1n,
     anong nabili mong avr  at speaker mo para may idea ako. thanks
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: constyne on Sep 22, 2010 at 12:29 PM
mga sirs,help naman po... question lang... meron akong harman/kardon avr 255 rated 50watts per channel, ilan kaya ang maximum na kayang ihandle ng amp ko bawat channel... pag naglagay n ko ng speakers... nagtanung kasi ako sa nagbebenta sa automatic center dito sa my glorietta gang 350watts daw kayang nyang idrive... totoo po ba to.. tnx....
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: powershot on Sep 30, 2010 at 08:06 AM
Ano mas match na speaker para sa Onkyo 508, Wharfedale 10.5 or Polk Audio TSi300? tnx!
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: [r0n1n] on Sep 30, 2010 at 09:35 AM
@r0n1n,
     anong nabili mong avr  at speaker mo para may idea ako. thanks

denon + paradigms  ;D
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: lithium_deuteride on Oct 05, 2010 at 11:34 PM
Say you got Php 50T to 60T to buy a receiver now, which model will it be?
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: Onkyo606 on Oct 06, 2010 at 01:57 AM
Say you got Php 50T to 60T to buy a receiver now, which model will it be?

i will get either the Onkyo 807 or 876 sir john, alittle stetching might land you the Onkyo NR 1007
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: dave on Oct 15, 2010 at 10:35 AM
Which brand receiver do you think is best, based on reliability?  That is, which brand is least likely to be a lemon out of the box, and continue to work without breaking down for years to come?
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: Blackstar on Oct 31, 2010 at 01:25 PM
good afternoon mga master. bago lang po ako sa hifi hobby/interest. i just need your expert opinion sana. tanong ko lang kung ano pipiliin nyo without considering budget if given these choices: Onkyo TX-SR307 or HT-R560. I'm going to use it mainly for my home theater pc with my 1080p lcdtv. we only have a small condo so i think that should also be put into consideration. for starters, i already have a wharfedale wh-2 surround and center speakers. i guess i will need front and subs for this setup. your expert opinions are greatly appreciated.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: jerix on Nov 25, 2010 at 12:38 PM
HK 160 or Pioneer VSX 920? ::)

Price
Hk - 25,500
Pio- 27,500
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: ninjababez® on Nov 27, 2010 at 04:17 AM
HK 160 or Pioneer VSX 920? ::)

Price
Hk - 25,500
Pio- 27,500
those two and onkyo 508 were my choices.
got the onkyo 508 though, because of the front high option.  mark (avshop), has high remarks for HK 160)  :)
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: cianzepol on Nov 27, 2010 at 07:53 PM
those two and onkyo 508 were my choices.
got the onkyo 508 though, because of the front high option.  mark (avshop), has high remarks for HK 160)  :)

mnagkano kuha mo paps sa onkyo 508 mo?

ano speakers mo?
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: ninjababez® on Nov 28, 2010 at 02:53 AM
mnagkano kuha mo paps sa onkyo 508 mo?

ano speakers mo?
under 25k for 12 mos SRP.
using 6 a-audio genesis for surrounds, 2 a-audio tangband sealed for front height and 1 a-audio exodus for center,  and 15" sealed a-audio sub  :D
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: cianzepol on Nov 28, 2010 at 08:43 AM
san mo nabili paps?

better than hk 160 po ba?
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: ninjababez® on Nov 28, 2010 at 08:51 AM
san mo nabili paps?
better than hk 160 po ba?
got it from vic.
for the 2nd question, subjective  ;)
in my case, im more inclined in getting a receiver with features that i want.  :D
let's just say if youre into music, concerts HK wins but for overall performance and features, onkyo won (atleast for the two choices i had)  ;)
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: cianzepol on Nov 28, 2010 at 09:02 AM
may auto calibration ba sya paps?
tpos yung menu nya lumilitaw po sa tv?


yang dalawa po kasi pinagpipilian ko e..
sensya na po at matanong.. :)
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: ninjababez® on Nov 28, 2010 at 07:35 PM
may auto calibration ba sya paps?
tpos yung menu nya lumilitaw po sa tv?

YUP!  as long as connected hdmi out from receiver to hdmi input ng tv.
after 2 days of using (regular use and calibration lang) it di ko na kailangan yung GUI sa tv.  ;)
madali lang kabisaduhin ang menu, unlike denon ko dati halos 1 week na araw araw na tweaking bago ko nakabisado.  :D


yang dalawa po kasi pinagpipilian ko e..
sensya na po at matanong.. :)

wala naman talo sa dalawa eh, kung ano lang kailangan mo talaga. 
sakin lang kasi una, intriga ako sa front height feature.  so far satisfied naman ako sa feature na ito, minsan ino-OFF ko rin pag di maganda pakinggan (depende kasi and subjective). 
atleast may option ka gamitin or hinde.  :)



Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: ninjababez® on Nov 28, 2010 at 07:36 PM
pansin ko lang, parang mas maganda yung denon 1509 ko pagdating sa audessey.
 ::)
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: Onkyo606 on Nov 28, 2010 at 07:43 PM
pansin ko lang, parang mas maganda yung denon 1509 ko pagdating sa audessey.
 ::)

it should be the same technology brader, maybe the difference lies on the SQ of the hardware itself. another thing, Audyssey 2EQ, MultEQ and MultEQ XT wuould provide different results, the XT providing the best and superior result among the three AFAIK.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: cianzepol on Nov 28, 2010 at 08:22 PM



ano paps gamit mong speakers?
naka voltage regulator ka paps?
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: ninjababez® on Nov 29, 2010 at 07:37 AM
it should be the same technology brader, maybe the difference lies on the SQ of the hardware itself. another thing, Audyssey 2EQ, MultEQ and MultEQ XT wuould provide different results, the XT providing the best and superior result among the three AFAIK.
ahh that's why.  2EQ kasi ang gamit ko sa onkyo while MultEQ sa denon.  :)
i dont mind it though, konting adjustments lang naman :D
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: ninjababez® on Nov 29, 2010 at 07:38 AM

ano paps gamit mong speakers?
naka voltage regulator ka paps?
im using 8 a-audio genesis for satellites, 1 a-audio exodus for center and 15" a-audion sealed sub  :)
20k + for all  :D

and yes bro naka voltage regulator ako  :D
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: cianzepol on Nov 29, 2010 at 07:52 AM
im using 8 a-audio genesis for satellites, 1 a-audio exodus for center and 15" a-audion sealed sub  :)
20k + for all  :D

and yes bro naka voltage regulator ako  :D

ilang watts voltage regulator mo paps?
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: ninjababez® on Nov 29, 2010 at 07:54 AM
ilang watts voltage regulator mo paps?
using a servo type maldol 1000 watts which is loaded with a 50" plasma, HTPC, sub and receiver.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: jerix on Dec 13, 2010 at 10:55 AM
Ninjababez, ano ba ang review mo sa music reproduction ng Onkyo? Harsh or medyo matining din ba, or warm lang siya? thanks  ;)
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: ninjababez® on Dec 13, 2010 at 11:39 AM
Ninjababez, ano ba ang review mo sa music reproduction ng Onkyo? Harsh or medyo matining din ba, or warm lang siya? thanks  ;)
using pure audio feature/settings (2 channel direct only), i would say it's warm. 
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: jerix on Dec 13, 2010 at 11:46 AM
using pure audio feature/settings (2 channel direct only), i would say it's warm. 

So multi-channel has different sound quality? thanks again
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: Clondalkin on Dec 13, 2010 at 11:58 AM
I spent some time among the 608, the 1911 and the 767 last Friday night.  Wala akong marinig na malaking pagkakaiba (which is good because their prices are practically the same) but I found the 1911's built-in USB port to be very convenient for Ipod/MP3 connection.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: jerix on Dec 13, 2010 at 12:38 PM
so bro clondalkin -- how do you find the 608 in its multi-channel sound production on music? I am about to get the 608. the other  receiver i am eyeing for if not the 608 is the pioneer 920 which also has bountiful features like the 608, but lower in price. thanks  ;)
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: Clondalkin on Dec 13, 2010 at 01:59 PM
so bro clondalkin -- how do you find the 608 in its multi-channel sound production on music? I am about to get the 608. the other  receiver i am eyeing for if not the 608 is the pioneer 920 which also has bountiful features like the 608, but lower in price. thanks  ;)

It still sounds as "HTish" as any of the AVRs less than $1,000 Ive heard.   "Matigas ang tunog" bale compared to a dedicated hi-fi music set-up...and also, "HT" speakers kasi yung nakakabit dahil dun sa kabilang section ng Bic Camera Ginza where I played around, puro naman hi-fi demo equipment (amps, players, speakers) - ibang-iba talaga yung signature ng tunog.

But since the 608 was awarded the HiVi 2010 gold for Best AVR "Under JPY100,000" (paneled by AV professionals in Japan), then it must indeed have exceptional performance for its price bracket.  When I asked Bic Camera's AV demo pro if 608 is indeed a recommended model, he pointed me to the 1008 and the 3067 instead.   hehehe.  Oh well.   Ibig sabihin, kung maselan ka talaga sa musical/aural signature, you should spend over $1,000 on the AVR.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: ninjababez® on Dec 15, 2010 at 09:24 PM
So multi-channel has different sound quality? thanks again
hi jerix, late reply but this might help .. a bit :D
it is almost the same, let's just say a notch higher.  :)
just replaced my bookshelf with a floorstander, will post observation prolly next week after running audessey.
medyo bright nga lang yung floorstander  :D
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: Nelson de Leon on Dec 15, 2010 at 10:18 PM
hi jerix, late reply but this might help .. a bit :D
it is almost the same, let's just say a notch higher.  :)
just replaced my bookshelf with a floorstander, will post observation prolly next week after running audessey.
medyo bright nga lang yung floorstander  :D

I'm sure kayang i-tame ng Audyssey yan. Ano ang FS mo?
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: ninjababez® on Dec 15, 2010 at 10:32 PM
I'm sure kayang i-tame ng Audyssey yan. Ano ang FS mo?
hi bro!
sa pure audio lang naman sya bright.  :)
pano ba i-tame ito via audyssey?
btw im using the floorstander i got from a-audio raffle tablette 6.5 FS.  :D
maganda naman sya kaso not my type lang talaga when i comes to music playback pagdating sa highs :D
buti nalang pang HT ko lang, pero syempre pagnakabili na ng ipod dock or maisipan mag music mas maganda parin pure audio.  a prologic music di naman sya bright, weird   ::)
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: Nelson de Leon on Dec 15, 2010 at 10:48 PM
hi bro!
sa pure audio lang naman sya bright.  :)
pano ba i-tame ito via audyssey?
btw im using the floorstander i got from a-audio raffle tablette 6.5 FS.  :D
maganda naman sya kaso not my type lang talaga when i comes to music playback pagdating sa highs :D
buti nalang pang HT ko lang, pero syempre pagnakabili na ng ipod dock or maisipan mag music mas maganda parin pure audio.  a prologic music di naman sya bright, weird   ::)

I'm also using A-audio for my HT. Hindi siya bright for me. Clone BS ang akin. You can have it tweaked kay anthony. Or put an L-pad pot for the tweeters kung type mo. Si Anthony pa!
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: ninjababez® on Dec 15, 2010 at 11:02 PM
I'm also using A-audio for my HT. Hindi siya bright for me. Clone BS ang akin. You can have it tweaked kay anthony. Or put an L-pad pot for the tweeters kung type mo. Si Anthony pa!
kakahiya free lang ito eh  :D
pwede kaya palitan ng velodyne tweeter  ;D
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: Nelson de Leon on Dec 15, 2010 at 11:13 PM
kakahiya free lang ito eh  :D
pwede kaya palitan ng velodyne tweeter  ;D

Pwede din. Basta swak sa butas. But IMHO, changing the tweeters might mean changing the xover points & attenuation (if there is).
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: ninjababez® on Dec 16, 2010 at 12:26 AM
Pwede din. Basta swak sa butas. But IMHO, changing the tweeters might mean changing the xover points & attenuation (if there is).
mukhang di kasya hehehe
bili nalang ako separate amp for my genesis for pure audio.  :D
wala kasi speaker A & B selection  ;D
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: Nelson de Leon on Dec 16, 2010 at 06:57 AM
mukhang di kasya hehehe
bili nalang ako separate amp for my genesis for pure audio.  :D
wala kasi speaker A & B selection  ;D

Nice. Iba pa din ang dedicated amp for music.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: ninjababez® on Dec 16, 2010 at 08:45 AM
Nice. Iba pa din ang dedicated amp for music.
pwede na ba ang sakura or konzert sa di audiophile.
ok nako sa pure audio ng onkyo receiver ko eh, kung ano katumbas nun sa cheap ampli masaya nako  :D
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: iiinas on Dec 16, 2010 at 08:47 AM
pwede na ba ang sakura or konzert sa di audiophile.
ok nako sa pure audio ng onkyo receiver ko eh, kung ano katumbas nun sa cheap ampli masaya nako  :D

baby g ni jdlabs brader! hindi ka magsisi! bang for the buck!
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: ninjababez® on Dec 16, 2010 at 10:20 AM
baby g ni jdlabs brader! hindi ka magsisi! bang for the buck!
under 5k lang budget ko bro  :-\
basta enough to power my tangband 3" c/o doc mel and a-audio  :D
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: tonedeaf on Dec 27, 2010 at 08:01 PM
Which brand of AV receiver yung di masyadong makapal ang width? Baka di na kumasya sa stand ko sa sobrang kapal ng mga new models  :(
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: Nelson de Leon on Dec 27, 2010 at 08:12 PM
under 5k lang budget ko bro  :-\
basta enough to power my tangband 3" c/o doc mel and a-audio  :D

Try mo ang Dayton T-amp. Haven't tried it yet pero may demo unit ako dito. Swak ata sa budget mo. Yun Dayton APA kasi, have tried it na and currently using it. Very much ok siya for it's price and lots of headroom for my Klipsch RB81 8" woofers. Though higher sa budget mo.
Mga surplus amps, pasok din sa budget mo. Dami dito sa PDvd. Try to PM Boyax. He has a friend na meron.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: ninjababez® on Dec 27, 2010 at 08:58 PM
Try mo ang Dayton T-amp. Haven't tried it yet pero may demo unit ako dito. Swak ata sa budget mo. Yun Dayton APA kasi, have tried it na and currently using it. Very much ok siya for it's price and lots of headroom for my Klipsch RB81 8" woofers. Though higher sa budget mo.
Mga surplus amps, pasok din sa budget mo. Dami dito sa PDvd. Try to PM Boyax. He has a friend na meron.

thanks sa tip bro nelson, kaso ma-sideline lahat ng upgrade ko for 2011-12  ;D
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: airnolds on Dec 29, 2010 at 09:35 AM
Hi Guys!

Just like to get some help choosing an A/V Receiver...

Budget is 18-23k...

90% Movies - 10 % Music... [since i use my PC for music anyways...]
*5.1 will do fine, i want Binding Post Terminals over Spring Terminals [had a Bad experience with them..x_x]

Currently choosing between the following, feel free to comment...

Wharfedale 5110 -17k
Onkyo TXSR508 - 22K
Yamaha RXV467 - 21k [I'm currently eyeing this one, but still need to read some more..]
Denon 1611 - around 22k based from a comment [can anyone PM me where to buy this? or who sells one?]
Pioneer VSX-820 - 24k

Sorry for the "Where/Who questions", it's just that my work let's me leave the office @ 9pm, leaving me no time to actually drop by a mall to look for a Receiver...i'll probably buy one of the 4 mentioned above...

**Moved to proper thread, Sorry Mods! ^_^**

Thanks!
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: barrister on Dec 29, 2010 at 09:50 AM
Hindi raw magaling ang Wharfedale: http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,106799.30.html

Scratch Wharfe from your list and choose between Onkyo, Yamaha, Pioneer and Denon.

Onkyo is 2010's group test winner, and local after sales service is very good.  But I don't like it because Onkyo traditionally has overheating problems. They remedied this by adding a cooling fan, but to me, simply adding a fan is the cost-cutter's remedy.  

I would have preferred it if Onkyo redesigned from the ground up to eliminate the need for a fan.  I don't like fans because they blow dust into the receiver, plus you'll have to periodically check if the fan is working properly.  

Denon is good as usual, but the service center is so bad that you'll have second thoughts about buying Denon.

Yamaha and Pioneer are good.  Their designs place importance on reliability and trouble-free performance.  No heat issues; no fans  ;).

Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: airnolds on Dec 29, 2010 at 09:54 AM
@barrister

Wharfdale - SCRATCHED! ^_^

i guess it comes down to Yamaha & Pioneer,

I like how Yamaha was able to Highlight the "Out Ports" with white, It might not be important to some people, but for the average joe i think it will help them a lot..^_^
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: barrister on Dec 29, 2010 at 09:59 AM
Yammy and Pio are good choices.  But before you finally decide, here's what you should do:

First, shop for speakers.  When you find speakers you like, ask around whether Yammy and/or Pio would match well with your chosen speakers.

Then demo the matching receiver-speaker combination.  If you like it, go for it.    


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I like how Yamaha was able to Highlight the "Out Ports" with white, It might not be important to some people, but for the average joe i think it will help them a lot..^_^

Yes, there are a few ports that would be confusing without those white codes.  I think they help save the user a lot of set-up time.


Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: airnolds on Dec 29, 2010 at 10:11 AM
@barrister,

Actually, i have it the other way around... i will buy the receiver first, then save money to buy speakers..^_^

I will be using the speakers that i have at home for the meantime, mostly from HTIB sila... excited na kasi Dad ko manuod eh, kaya sabi ko sa kanya bilin na muna namin ung Receiver [to decode DTS sounds]... Then i'll just upgrade the speakers in Q1 2011.

This would be my "Ideal" HT Set-up...

Projector -BenQ W500 - Already Bought
A/V Receiver - Yama or Pio - To Buy This Week
Speakers - Temporary mix of my HTIB Speakers At Home [Sony & Pioneer] - Will Upgrade in Q1 2011
Media Player - WD TV - To be upgraded to WD TV Live Plus this week
Gaming - PS3 - Will Buy in Q1 2011 [Wii muna for the meantime gagamitin ko..^_^]
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: barrister on Dec 29, 2010 at 10:23 AM
It's risky to use HTiB speakers on standalone receivers.  There's a risk of overheating your receiver, since those speakers were not designed for standalone receiver use.  Just make sure you don't set receiver volume too high.  

But I have to warn you about your price range choice.  For Yamaha, good power starts at RX-V667.  I'm not familiar with Pioneer, maybe it starts at VSX-920 (or 1020?).  That's about a P30K+ price point.

Below those models will give you much lower power.  Maybe acceptable if you have a small room, but to me the sound for the lower models is obviously underpowered.  You'll notice it from the bass to the mids to the highs, everything just sounds too thin.  


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Yamaha 667 on avsforum: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1258247

Pioneer 1020 on avsforum: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1232682


Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: airnolds on Dec 29, 2010 at 10:44 AM
Wow, i did not know that about HTiB Speakers... This is noted, although for the Price Range, we can only shell out around 20k.

This will be installed on our living room, i am using a 2.1 speaker for the meantime [Pioneer] and my family was able to watch a movie last night without any complaint.. i guess this is good enough for me for the meantime..

I plan to place the Center Speaker in the "Center" of the room,
i.e the Screen is 3meters away from the Person, the speaker is mounted on the ceiling around 1 meter away from the Person...... is this a good idea? so that i won't have to increase the volume too much.. instead of placing it directly below the screen...

Budget as follows:
Around 20k - Receiver
12-15k - Center Speaker & Front Speakers [Floorstand] (total budget for the 3 speakers..not 15k each..x_x)
5k? - Rear Speakers [No idea on this yet, since i am more focused on the Front & Center Speaker]
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: Conan on Dec 29, 2010 at 11:07 AM
Hindi raw magaling ang Wharfedale: http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,106799.30.html

Scratch Wharfe from your list and choose between Onkyo, Yamaha, Pioneer and Denon.

Onkyo is 2010's group test winner, and local after sales service is very good.  But I don't like it because Onkyo traditionally has overheating problems. They remedied this by adding a cooling fan, but to me, simply adding a fan is the cost-cutter's remedy.  

I would have preferred it if Onkyo redesigned from the ground up to eliminate the need for a fan.  I don't like fans because they blow dust into the receiver, plus you'll have to periodically check if the fan is working properly.  

Denon is good as usual, but the service center is so bad that you'll have second thoughts about buying Denon.

Yamaha and Pioneer are good.  Their designs place importance on reliability and trouble-free performance.  No heat issues; no fans  ;).



Actually the Onkyo's fan blows upward and away from the receiver so it will not introduce dust into the receiver.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: barrister on Dec 29, 2010 at 11:08 AM
Wow, i did not know that about HTiB Speakers... This is noted, although for the Price Range, we can only shell out around 20k.

Actually, the enthusiasts here are just guessing about HTiB speakers' effects on receivers.  There are no experts as far as HTiB speakers are concerned.  That's because no enthusiast is willing to spend time studying HTiB speaker performance.  

If you're on a budget, you want value for money.  Your choices fit the bill just fine.



This will be installed on our living room, i am using a 2.1 speaker for the meantime [Pioneer] and my family was able to watch a movie last night without any complaint.. i guess this is good enough for me for the meantime.

My bedroom setup only uses 2.1 computer speakers.  Usual viewing materials are cable TV and avi files.  They're perfectly fine to me ...  ;)    



I plan to place the Center Speaker in the "Center" of the room,
i.e the Screen is 3meters away from the Person, the speaker is mounted on the ceiling around 1 meter away from the Person...... is this a good idea? so that i won't have to increase the volume too much.. instead of placing it directly below the screen...

Center speaker in the center of the room on the ceiling ...

No, that's not good.

The objective should be to produce an illusion that the sound from the center speaker is coming from the screen itself. In fact, cinemas have center channel speakers placed behind an acoustically-transparent projector screen to produce this illusion.

In the home, you have to place the center speaker as close to the monitor as possible to approximate that effect.  That's why it's recommended that the center speaker be placed immediately above/below the monitor.



Budget as follows:
Around 20k - Receiver
12-15k - Center Speaker & Front Speakers [Floorstand] (total budget for the 3 speakers..not 15k each..x_x)
5k? - Rear Speakers [No idea on this yet, since i am more focused on the Front & Center Speaker]

Make sure your fronts and center speakers are bought as a set.  They should all come from the same manufacturer and from the same model series.  

Why?  Because the objective is to voice-match fronts and center as closely as possible.  The easiest way to do that is to buy from the same model series, so you have some assurance that the set was properly voice-matched by the manufacturer for you.

Rear speakers don't have to come from the same model series, since differences in voice-matching between rears vs. fronts & center aren't noticeable anyway.

Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: airnolds on Dec 29, 2010 at 11:15 AM
Haha,

I read on another forum that "In-Ceiling Speakers" are a no-no... well, it just popped into my mind this morning..guess i will be popping it Out now... ^_^

I will buy the Yamaha RX-V467 instead,

Thanks for all the help guys!

**watch-out for my HT Post in the near future!
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: barrister on Dec 29, 2010 at 11:19 AM
Actually the Onkyo's fan blows upward and away from the receiver so it will not introduce dust into the receiver.

The fan draws air from the sides and releases the air through the top.  That's why you need clearance of at least 4 inches on the sides and at the top.

You can't just release air from the inside without drawing air from the outside at the same time.  Otherwise, you'll be pumping air out of the box and leaving a vacuum inside.

It's the air flowing from outside, going inside, then out again that cools the components.  And that flowing air will always carry dust with it.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: stalkermania on Dec 29, 2010 at 11:42 AM
Please help... I am choosing between the Pioneer VSX-820K and Onkyo TX-SR508.
I am planning to purchase a Wharfedale Diamond 10 series setup.

My only worry about the 508 is its issue about PS3 connectivity.
I heard that the new batches of 508 have corrected this bug.
Is this validated already?

Is anyone hear using ps3 connected to the 508? Please share your experiences.

Thanks and I am looking forward on your comments.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: ninjababez® on Dec 29, 2010 at 11:53 AM
Please help... I am choosing between the Pioneer VSX-820K and Onkyo TX-SR508.
I am planning to purchase a Wharfedale Diamond 10 series setup.

My only worry about the 508 is its issue about PS3 connectivity.
I heard that the new batches of 508 have corrected this bug.
Is this validated already?

Is anyone hear using ps3 connected to the 508? Please share your experiences.

Thanks and I am looking forward on your comments.
bought mine 2nd week of november 2010 from SNS.
they also offer updating firmware, but was not necessary in my case  ;)
IIRC onkyo st3300 has issues with connectivity, but the one they had already got the new firmware.
hth
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: tonedeaf on Dec 29, 2010 at 11:59 AM
The fan draws air from the sides and releases the air through the top.  That's why you need clearance of at least 4 inches on the sides and at the top.


Clearance of 4"? Oh no. Ba't kasi ang palaki ng palaki ang mga receivers. Will have to re-think where I will put my new receiver, six months from now hahaha


(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee153/megdegs_photos/HT%20set%20up/HT-resized.jpg)

itatabi ko na lang sa center speaker?
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: stalkermania on Dec 29, 2010 at 12:24 PM
bought mine 2nd week of november 2010 from SNS.
they also offer updating firmware, but was not necessary in my case  ;)
IIRC onkyo st3300 has issues with connectivity, but the one they had already got the new firmware.
hth

sir, may I ask kung magkano kuha niyo at that time?

ano ba yung improvements ng bagong firmware?
na-address ba yung handshake problem specifically yung screen flickering ng ps3?
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: barrister on Dec 29, 2010 at 12:31 PM
Clearance of 4"? Oh no. Ba't kasi ang palaki ng palaki ang mga receivers. Will have to re-think where I will put my new receiver, six months from now hahaha


(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee153/megdegs_photos/HT%20set%20up/HT-resized.jpg)

itatabi ko na lang sa center speaker?




That's the simplest remedy.  But it's also going to give you the ugliest result ...  :D

I say remodel the shelves:

1st option ---  You can remove the middle shelf on the right.  Pero parang magiging tabingi yata ang porma.

2nd option ---  You can remove both left and right middle shelves and center divider.  Then with 2 vertical dividers, construct 3 sections, with each section having only 1 shelf.

Left section for transformer & voltage regulator.  Right section for players (puwede ang patong-patong diyan).  Center section for receiver (tignan natin kung kapusin pa ang vertical clearance niyan  :D).

Tip:

Attach the vertical dividers slightly deeper, maybe by about 2 to 3 inches inside the edge of the shelves, so that from afar, it looks like you only have two shelves without dividers.  Don't attach the vertical dividers flush with the edge of the shelf so they don't look like 3 plain pigeonholes from afar.

Compare free-standing shelves with pigeonholes, and you'll see that free shelves look better:

(http://www.westelm.com/weimgs/rk/images/wcm/products/201035/0013/img77t.jpg)
(http://www.monzirdesign.com/main/images/stories/Our_Products/Library_Equipment/Pigeon_Hole_Cabinet_18_Holes.jpg)

Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: ninjababez® on Dec 29, 2010 at 09:06 PM
sir, may I ask kung magkano kuha niyo at that time?

ano ba yung improvements ng bagong firmware?
na-address ba yung handshake problem specifically yung screen flickering ng ps3?
24-25k yata IIRC kuha ko for 12 months installment.  :)
when you say flickering, do you mean while switching between sources or while playing and/or watching movies?  normal lang kasi mag flicker (split second off yung tv) while switching sources, while flickering when playing or watching movies is a different story.
anyway, no i never encountered flickering while playing or watching.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: stalkermania on Dec 29, 2010 at 11:17 PM
24-25k yata IIRC kuha ko for 12 months installment.  :)
when you say flickering, do you mean while switching between sources or while playing and/or watching movies?  normal lang kasi mag flicker (split second off yung tv) while switching sources, while flickering when playing or watching movies is a different story.
anyway, no i never encountered flickering while playing or watching.

Yung screen flicker sa ps3, pag-open sa ps3 screen menu, lalabas yung menu tapos black screen after a few sec, balik ulet sa screen menu, then black screen again. So may intervals sila kaya medyo frustrating. But if you connect directly the ps3 sa tv no prob.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: ninjababez® on Dec 29, 2010 at 11:40 PM
Yung screen flicker sa ps3, pag-open sa ps3 screen menu, lalabas yung menu tapos black screen after a few sec, balik ulet sa screen menu, then black screen again. So may intervals sila kaya medyo frustrating. But if you connect directly the ps3 sa tv no prob.
wala ganyan sakin bro.
configuration is PS3 > receiver > tv  :)
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: stalkermania on Dec 30, 2010 at 07:21 AM
wala ganyan sakin bro.
configuration is PS3 > receiver > tv  :)

Thanks sir ninjababez for the input.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: yer2010 on Jan 01, 2011 at 08:39 AM
Guys, meron ba sa inyo nakagamit na ng Pioneer VSX-D912K?  Please share your own review 'coz am having difficulty running it's sub to fullest booming experience.  I recently bought Pilyo's Amp4v2 but no effect.

Based on other reviews from the net, Pio had made this HT sub part boomy only during movie play but not on music.  The question is, how can I utilize Mr Pilyo's sub amp when my Pioneer can't do it? 

Many tnx for your inputs.  8)

Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: warmaster on Jan 01, 2011 at 07:54 PM
it's 2011 and i'm quite excited for the newer avr lineups from pioneer, yamaha and onkyo. with that i'm gonna hold out for the newer models to come out and also be on the lookout for last year's models to drop their prices. win win for us all ;D
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: barrister on Jan 01, 2011 at 10:25 PM
Sir warmaster, I notice is that your list is getting longer instead of shorter  ;).

Have you tried auditioning how those receivers sound?  Maybe if you hear them in action, the decision would be easier.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: warmaster on Jan 01, 2011 at 10:38 PM
Sir warmaster, I notice is that your list is getting longer instead of shorter  ;).

Have you tried auditioning how those receivers sound?  Maybe if you hear them in action, the decision would be easier.

haha. di naman. sa ngayon 2 na lang pinagpipilian ko pioneer's vsx 520 or the onkyo hts 3300. both of them have what i need, hdmi repeater and hd audio. i'm no audiophile so as long as may clarity yung each channels i'm fine. exciting lang yung mga pssobilities sa pagpasok ng newer generation of avrs.

btw, how do you make an audition and have a valid comparison from different shops (different listening environment) and with different setups (different speakers). i'm just starting to get into this hobby so whatever i sink my teeth into should last me a while. and based on reviews online, i think i should be satisfied with either choice. but as you say, gotta hear them perform live (parang rock bands lang)

on a side note: i was able to hear the vsx 520 playing iron man 2 at some appliance store which was the reason for me dumping the speaker bar idea  ;D
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: iiinas on Jan 01, 2011 at 10:41 PM


btw, how do you make an audition and have a valid comparison from different shops (different listening environment) and with different setups (different speakers).

its really better to go to a shop that offers almost all the options you want. i suggest sights and sounds or avshop. they both carry the main lines for receiver like denon, onkyo and for speakers they also both carry the notable ones like polk and wharfedale
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: ninjababez® on Jan 01, 2011 at 10:54 PM
exciting lang yung mga pssobilities sa pagpasok ng newer generation of avrs.
newer model means a higher price tag, unless you're waiting for older models to drop their prices.  :)
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: Stagea on Jan 02, 2011 at 01:01 AM
Guys, meron ba sa inyo nakagamit na ng Pioneer VSX-D912K?  Please share your own review 'coz am having difficulty running it's sub to fullest booming experience.  I recently bought Pilyo's Amp4v2 but no effect.

Based on other reviews from the net, Pio had made this HT sub part boomy only during movie play but not on music.  The question is, how can I utilize Mr Pilyo's sub amp when my Pioneer can't do it? 

Many tnx for your inputs.  8)



I think you're in the wrong thread. I suggest setting your speakers to small to enable bass management.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: barrister on Jan 02, 2011 at 10:10 AM
on a side note: i was able to hear the vsx 520 playing iron man 2 at some appliance store which was the reason for me dumping the speaker bar idea  ;D

That's good to know.
 
That's how you shorten a list.




btw, how do you make an audition and have a valid comparison from different shops (different listening environment) and with different setups (different speakers). i'm just starting to get into this hobby so whatever i sink my teeth into should last me a while. and based on reviews online, i think i should be satisfied with either choice. but as you say, gotta hear them perform live (parang rock bands lang)

That's a good question.  The ideal audition would be to test the gear in your own home, but it's unlikely that shops would allow us to do that.

Auditions under different conditions would naturally give you wide variations, but we'll have to make do with the options available to us.  

However, you can still have a good idea about how the receiver performs even if you auditon in different shops.  Notice that you haven't actually tested a speaker bar in your own home, yet you're already sure you're not going to like it.

After googling in 2002, I was sure that I was going to like a Onkyo-B&W combination.  I auditioned them at the B&W showroom (which uses Onkyo receivers).  Surprisingly, I didn't like them.  Personal preference, I guess.    

Sometimes, mistakes are unavoidable.  If you think you made a wrong receiver choice, just sell it here and try again.


Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: Conan on Jan 02, 2011 at 10:23 AM


Sometimes, mistakes are unavoidable.  If you think you made a wrong receiver choice, just sell it here and try again.




Some shops will allow you to return and upgrade to a different receiver within days of purchase. I first got a Denon 1611 that was underpowered for my speakers so I returned it after two days and got the Onkyo 608 (from Sights and Sounds).
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: barrister on Jan 02, 2011 at 10:30 AM
Ibang klase talaga ang S&S.

I don't think any other shop would do that.  They have the right to refuse the exchange if the receiver is not defective.

Maybe S&S appreciates that the only way to know for sure is to test the receiver in your own environment.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: pa3ck608 on Jan 02, 2011 at 08:49 PM
just thinking what will happen to the unit that was returned in exchange for another model.. will they resell it for the same srp? if they consider it as 'open box unit' and sell it for less, hindi po ba sila malulugi nun? curious lang po how it works?
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: warmaster on Jan 02, 2011 at 10:12 PM
was at automatic center trinoma kanina and heard the vsx 520 paired with the todoroki 5 speaker system. it was playing some concert and ok naman yung tunog niya. wasn't able to fully hear the potential of the vsx 520 and the todoroki speakers dahil wala yung salesperson. naka break ata or something. may feedback ba kayo dun sa todoroki speakers matched with the vsx 520 or any other reciever for that matter?
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: stalkermania on Jan 02, 2011 at 10:57 PM
still confused... what shall I purchase?  ???

Pioneer VSX-820K or Onkyo TX-SR508?

Whadya think?
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: pa3ck608 on Jan 02, 2011 at 11:07 PM
still confused... what shall I purchase?  ???

Pioneer VSX-820K or Onkyo TX-SR508?

Whadya think?

pareho maganda yan bro, identical din ang price.sa speaker pairing na yan magkakatalo
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: stalkermania on Jan 02, 2011 at 11:26 PM
pareho maganda yan bro, identical din ang price.sa speaker pairing na yan magkakatalo

What's your suggested speaker combination with both AVRs?
I will only go for entry level speakers.
Do you have a list in mind?
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: pa3ck608 on Jan 02, 2011 at 11:35 PM
What's your suggested speaker combination with both AVRs?
I will only go for entry level speakers.
Do you have a list in mind?
820 - wharf diamond 9/10
508 - polk tsi/klipsch synergy/polk m
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: stalkermania on Jan 02, 2011 at 11:43 PM
what do you think will happen if I will go for Onkyo 508 and use Wharfedale 10 for my speakers?
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: gunslinger on Jan 03, 2011 at 06:00 AM
Choose your receiver first. Then go around and bring your receiver when auditioning speakers. Mas handy dalhin yung receiver.  ;D

Try Anthony's A-audio speakers too. Best bang for the buck speakers. :)
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: stalkermania on Jan 03, 2011 at 07:25 AM
San ba yung location ni A-Audio?
I have read the thread and I only remember 2 classes of his speakers, the Ezra and Genesis?
Are there more classes? What are their technical differences?
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: gunslinger on Jan 03, 2011 at 07:53 AM
He is offering several speakers, from pure audio to HT set-up. May entry level din at high end. South area siya somewhere in Taguig. Tawagan mo na lang siya. Madali naman siyang kausap depende kung ano yung kailangan mo. Look for his number in his FS thread;D
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: stalkermania on Jan 03, 2011 at 08:24 AM
I've located his number. thanks
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: exomars on Jan 10, 2011 at 06:52 PM
just thinking what will happen to the unit that was returned in exchange for another model.. will they resell it for the same srp? if they consider it as 'open box unit' and sell it for less, hindi po ba sila malulugi nun? curious lang po how it works?

 :D ..definitely it's the seller's business...no need to worry.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: barrister on Jan 11, 2011 at 08:07 AM

I think he also wants to know if the seller just tapes up the box and passes it off as new.  In that case, it's the buyer who worries.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: epectos on Jan 19, 2011 at 08:44 AM
magtatanong lang po mga master. anong magandang reciever sa klipsch synergy 2 ko?
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: Conan on Jan 19, 2011 at 11:44 AM
magtatanong lang po mga master. anong magandang reciever sa klipsch synergy 2 ko?

Denon or the newer receivers of (2010 models) Onkyo. The Denon will sound warmer which would "tame" the bright sound of Klipsch. Pwede rin NAD but they are pricey.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: epectos on Jan 19, 2011 at 06:11 PM
Denon or the newer receivers of (2010 models) Onkyo. The Denon will sound warmer which would "tame" the bright sound of Klipsch. Pwede rin NAD but they are pricey.
hindi po ba bright din ang onkyo? im thinking of onkyo 608 or 508 nga sana pero sabi nila baka masyado ng bright pag onkyo.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: Onkyo606 on Jan 19, 2011 at 07:05 PM
hindi po ba bright din ang onkyo? im thinking of onkyo 608 or 508 nga sana pero sabi nila baka masyado ng bright pag onkyo.

bright and warm sounding i feel sometimes become subjective too. there are times people would say that this receiver is bright but another set of people would say the same receiver is warm, form my end, i really do not have a technical understanding of what the two means. wheter the receiver is bright or warm sounding, there will always be ways to tune the sound quality to something that would suite you, receiver nowadays come with these kind of features making them really flexible.

i just metioned the above to perhaps narrow down your choices and determine finally whicc direction to take, if this has not done so, only way to know is to audition

we have many kind sellers that have klipsch speakers that you can audition using either denon, onkyo or perhaps haramn kardon too. if you get lucky enough, maybe a yamaha as well.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: Conan on Jan 19, 2011 at 07:31 PM
hindi po ba bright din ang onkyo? im thinking of onkyo 608 or 508 nga sana pero sabi nila baka masyado ng bright pag onkyo.

The 508 and 608 have brighter sound compared to the Denons but they are considered less bright than previous models. Read my Sig I have a 608 matched with Klipsch speakers.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: ninjababez® on Jan 19, 2011 at 09:19 PM
i read a post before re: best match is a "warm" receiver + "bright" speakers.  (or is it the other way around)   :)

but like what bro tirso said

bright and warm sounding i feel sometimes become subjective too.

 there will always be ways to tune the sound quality to something that would suite you, receiver nowadays come with these kind of features making them really flexible.


Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: iiinas on Jan 19, 2011 at 09:25 PM
i read a post before re: best match is a "warm" receiver + "bright" speakers.  (or is it the other way around)   :)

but like what bro tirso said


kahit baliktad brader, as in bright receiver + warm speakers. unless you want really warm or bright sound, mixing warm and bright will hopefully create a "neutral" sound which is generally the best of both worlds ika nga, hindi nakakapagod pakinggan but the details are still there for us to appreciate.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: ninjababez® on Jan 19, 2011 at 09:59 PM
thanks kagawad  :)
sakin kasi ngayon, warm + warm  ;D
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: epectos on Jan 19, 2011 at 11:16 PM
thanks mga master. siguro onkyo 608 nalang kukunin ko. need ko rin ng surround kaya lang phase out na ang s2. un ang dko pa alam kung ano bibilin ko.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: runjel on Jan 20, 2011 at 10:08 PM
ask ko lang po.. im looking for cheap av receiver eh.. budget is 20k po. may problem din po
someone gave us a set of speaker po eh.. mukhang ginawa lang siya.. wala pong label.. di ko po malamang
un wattage kasi ang pagkakaintindi ko po may comptability sa mga amplifier po di ba?.. paano ko po masolusyonan yun hehehe
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: bravoexo on Feb 12, 2011 at 01:20 AM
Is there an AVR out there that converts HDMI(HDCP) sources and output to component on a 1080i only screen for example?
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: plapoy on Feb 28, 2011 at 10:41 AM
Good Day All,

I'm a newbie on this hobby and scouting an AVR for 60% music and 40% movies. Ano po yung pwede nyo irecommend na match for polk audio RTi A3?.. Currently, RTi A3 pa lang po yung nabibili ko but i'm going to add a center (RTi A4 or A6) and surround ( RTi A1) speaker. For now AVR muna, madali naman magadd ng speaker pag mi avr na.  :D.. Before i'm leaning towards the Onkyo 608.. kaya lang dumami na yung AVR na maganda sa market ngayon kaya mahirap magdecide. Saka madami rin ako nakikita naguupgrade from 608 to a higher avr like Onkyo 708 kaya lalo ako nahihirapan magdecide ngayon. Naiisip ko kasi na mas ok na bumili ng mid range na receiver para hindi nako magupgrade ng matagal na panaho.. ;D.. By the way. eto po yung mga AVR na nabasa ko with good reviews: Onkyo 708, Denon 2311, and Harman Kardon 2600.. Ano pa po masusuggest nyo na level sa mga nabanggit. Tanong ko na rin po kung san ko pwede iaudition yung mga avr. Thanks in advance for all the input..  ;)


modified:
Pa post na rin po ng local price ng mga AVR in cash ;) salamat po ng marami.. ;)
 
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: avshop on Mar 01, 2011 at 01:23 PM
Good Day All,

I'm a newbie on this hobby and scouting an AVR for 60% music and 40% movies. Ano po yung pwede nyo irecommend na match for polk audio RTi A3?.. Currently, RTi A3 pa lang po yung nabibili ko but i'm going to add a center (RTi A4 or A6) and surround ( RTi A1) speaker. For now AVR muna, madali naman magadd ng speaker pag mi avr na.  :D.. Before i'm leaning towards the Onkyo 608.. kaya lang dumami na yung AVR na maganda sa market ngayon kaya mahirap magdecide. Saka madami rin ako nakikita naguupgrade from 608 to a higher avr like Onkyo 708 kaya lalo ako nahihirapan magdecide ngayon. Naiisip ko kasi na mas ok na bumili ng mid range na receiver para hindi nako magupgrade ng matagal na panaho.. ;D.. By the way. eto po yung mga AVR na nabasa ko with good reviews: Onkyo 708, Denon 2311, and Harman Kardon 2600.. Ano pa po masusuggest nyo na level sa mga nabanggit. Tanong ko na rin po kung san ko pwede iaudition yung mga avr. Thanks in advance for all the input..  ;)


modified:
Pa post na rin po ng local price ng mga AVR in cash ;) salamat po ng marami.. ;)
 

come by the shop. we have the hk 260, onkyo 608 and denon 2310 for you to compare. :)

shop is MLY ENTERPRISES located at unit 303 Amaremca bldg, 107a kalayaan avenue, diliman, quezon city. :)
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: plapoy on Mar 01, 2011 at 06:03 PM
Thanks Sir AVShop,

     By the way, could you pm me the price of the following on cash?.. (freebies? ;D)
    Onkyo 708 -
    Denon 2311 -
    HK 260       -
 

Thanks..d :)
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: iiinas on Mar 01, 2011 at 06:07 PM
Thanks Sir AVShop,

     By the way, could you pm me the price of the following on cash?.. (freebies? ;D)
    Onkyo 708 -
    Denon 2311 -
    HK 260       -
 

Thanks..d :)


i hope you can just pm the seller directly, this is not a thread for asking for pm of pricing.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: plapoy on Mar 01, 2011 at 07:28 PM
Ooooppss... Sorry sir iiinas... Ok noted sir.. Thanks..
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: leomarley on Mar 11, 2011 at 10:58 PM
question lang guys. ano bang speakers ang mganda i-pair sa Onkyo 508 with a budget under 20k?
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: avshop on Mar 11, 2011 at 11:31 PM
question lang guys. ano bang speakers ang mganda i-pair sa Onkyo 508 with a budget under 20k?

You can go for an all bookshelf set up of the Polk m series. A 5 piece set would be around less than 20k. Then get a mirage omni s8 for 5,990. Come by the shop to check it out. :)
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: leomarley on Mar 12, 2011 at 05:03 AM
thanks sir. one of these days i'll drop by your shop para ma-audition yung polk m series  :D
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: ct-guy on Mar 15, 2011 at 10:28 AM
bagay po ba ang avr na yamaha rxv 467 sa polk rti a3 at a6? compare ba sa HK2600 sino po mas ok?
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: pa3ck608 on Mar 15, 2011 at 12:49 PM
bagay po ba ang avr na yamaha rxv 467 sa polk rti a3 at a6? compare ba sa HK2600 sino po mas ok?
i already heard the a3 driven by a hk160 and it sounded real nice, what more if hk260. a3 is also good with denons imo. as regards yamaha, m not sure how they will sound together, perhaps a little too bright.   
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: ct-guy on Mar 17, 2011 at 09:28 AM
sorry for asking  ;D, what does " bright" mean ?
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: Conan on Mar 17, 2011 at 05:28 PM
sorry for asking  ;D, what does " bright" mean ?

Bright means the high frequencies are a bit emphasized.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: juanch on Mar 17, 2011 at 05:59 PM
Bright means the high frequencies are a bit emphasized.

Yes, but also make sure not to confuse "bright" with "harsh"  :)

Bright works for some people, but harsh is not good for anybody.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: praktikal on Mar 17, 2011 at 06:08 PM
sorry for asking  ;D, what does " bright" mean ?

In Tagalog, "matalas" o "makalansing" ;)
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: nomedigas1030 on Mar 18, 2011 at 05:50 AM
Hi guys,, i have set my mind on this marantz 4500 can you guys give feed backs please is it "ok" for a newbie like me with a limited budget i just started on this hobby and entry level is ok or fine by me..

thanks in advance guys..
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: nayha on Apr 02, 2011 at 02:11 PM
mga sir,

patulong naman po mag decide between Onkyo TX-SR608 vs Yamaha RXV767.

ano po ba pros and cons nila pareho and which one is a better AV receiver for Mission MX series speakers.

many thanks.  Smiley
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: rexFi on Apr 07, 2011 at 12:32 AM
Hi, I am only interested in setting up a 5.2 set up.

so I assume I should get a Receiver who support a... 7.2 set up?

Anyone familiar with a 5.2 set up?

thanks po,
rex
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: Courage on Apr 07, 2011 at 12:39 AM
Hi, I am only interested in setting up a 5.2 set up.

so I assume I should get a Receiver who support a... 7.2 set up?

Anyone familiar with a 5.2 set up?

thanks po,
rex

Or you can get a 5.1 receiver and just use a splitter if you want to use 2 subs.. :)
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: rexFi on Apr 07, 2011 at 12:42 AM
Or you can get a 5.1 receiver and just use a splitter if you want to use 2 subs.. :)

ah ok, soo that 5.1 receiver should be "powerful" enough to accomodate both subs?

hehe thanks. a 5.1 receiver is cheaper i guess, so that's good for me then. ^_^
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: Courage on Apr 07, 2011 at 01:07 AM
ah ok, soo that 5.1 receiver should be "powerful" enough to accomodate both subs?

hehe thanks. a 5.1 receiver is cheaper i guess, so that's good for me then. ^_^

It is not going to eat power from the Receiver since you are using a Powered Sub, so yes the receiver can accomodate both subs
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: gunslinger on Apr 07, 2011 at 08:21 AM
ah ok, soo that 5.1 receiver should be "powerful" enough to accomodate both subs?

hehe thanks. a 5.1 receiver is cheaper i guess, so that's good for me then. ^_^
I have a 5.2 set-up with 2 12 inch powered subs connected to HK AVR160. A 5.1 receiver should be able to handle your needs.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: rexFi on Apr 08, 2011 at 02:47 AM
Cool. That makes sense you two. ^_^

I think I'll copy gunslinger's setup :)

A bit offtopic but @gunslinger, what's your speakers?

thanks.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: markcrenz on Apr 08, 2011 at 06:06 AM
Hi, I am only interested in setting up a 5.2 set up.

so I assume I should get a Receiver who support a... 7.2 set up?

Anyone familiar with a 5.2 set up?

thanks po,
rex
in reality there is no x.2, x.4 or x.y setup. no matter how many subwoofers you use, it's still only x.1. it may be 5.1, 6.1 or 7.1 depending on the source programme or receiver decoding, but only .1 for the lfe channel.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: gunslinger on Apr 08, 2011 at 06:42 AM
Cool. That makes sense you two. ^_^

I think I'll copy gunslinger's setup :)

A bit offtopic but @gunslinger, what's your speakers?

thanks.
I'm using A-Audio speakers. 2.5 FS/1Sc BS alternates for fronts and the matching center, Mordaunt Short Carnival 6 for surrounds. 2 12" Bic Venturi Ported Passive Subs powered by Amp4v2 from pilyo.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: warmaster on Apr 08, 2011 at 07:25 AM
what could be the best musical option for a mid range reciever?
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: Courage on Apr 08, 2011 at 07:37 AM
what could be the best musical option for a mid range reciever?

Harman for me is very Musical... ang mahal nga lang nang Midrange nila...NAD is also musical... just dont know if theres still a local seller for NAD here..
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: Conan on Apr 08, 2011 at 09:36 AM
Harman for me is very Musical... ang mahal nga lang nang Midrange nila...NAD is also musical... just dont know if theres still a local seller for NAD here..

Yes there is. Watt Hi Fi at Makati Cinema Square carries NAD receivers but they're not cheap, the entry level model is 32th if I remember correctly. I've also seen NAD stereo receivers and pre-amps at Spectra in Makati Park Square.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: avshop on Apr 08, 2011 at 09:42 AM
what could be the best musical option for a mid range reciever?

Hk avr 260 is 39k. :)
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: Tavus on Apr 11, 2011 at 01:37 PM
guys okay ba ang pioneer vsx 819? mura kasi at mukhang may 5.1 analog.
totoo ba yung nababasa ko sa amazon na may dolby lip sync issues at hdmi video degradation?

http://www.amazon.com/Pioneer-VSX-819H-K-5-Channel-Receiver-Black/product-reviews/B001U74DAA/ref=cm_cr_dp_all_helpful?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1&sortBy=bySubmissionDateDescending (http://www.amazon.com/Pioneer-VSX-819H-K-5-Channel-Receiver-Black/product-reviews/B001U74DAA/ref=cm_cr_dp_all_helpful?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1&sortBy=bySubmissionDateDescending)
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: jr saci on Apr 13, 2011 at 08:01 PM
 i have yamaha RX-V467 only 24,500,just contact me 09323733495 :)
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: Seryo on May 10, 2011 at 08:46 AM
Mga sir, i am new here sa pinoydvd.

i just want to ask kung anung ideal na bilin na AV Receiver. yung not too fancy, basta magamit ko ung 5.1 speaker at ma-maximize ko siya. ideally yung may optical input sana, for my ps3. medyo nakakahiya pero my budget sana would be 9k lang. second hand or brand new that is okay. as long as maganda performance.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: plapoy on May 10, 2011 at 10:52 PM
Mga sir, i am new here sa pinoydvd.

i just want to ask kung anung ideal na bilin na AV Receiver. yung not too fancy, basta magamit ko ung 5.1 speaker at ma-maximize ko siya. ideally yung may optical input sana, for my ps3. medyo nakakahiya pero my budget sana would be 9k lang. second hand or brand new that is okay. as long as maganda performance.

hanap ka na lang sir ng 2nd hand dito.. madami sa market from sir simple. for sure makakakuha ka ng good deal sa kanila. just be patience sa pagiintay.. hehe..
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: Seryo on May 11, 2011 at 06:42 AM
oo nga eh, been in the marketplace section I just saw a lot of receivers being sold, kaso ambilis may makabili. siguro good timing na lang ang kelangan. hehe. thanks sa tips boss.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: Cosmic79 on May 11, 2011 at 09:32 AM
oo nga eh, been in the marketplace section I just saw a lot of receivers being sold, kaso ambilis may makabili. siguro good timing na lang ang kelangan. hehe. thanks sa tips boss.

Welcome to PinoyDVD. Kailangan mo rin factor in mo your speakers quality aside from the receiver. Even if bumili ka ng good receiver, your speakers has to be better or the finest. Would be futile if you have a good receiver but inferior speakers. Some audio enthusiasts spend on speaker that is priced much higher than their receivers or sometimes twice the price sa value ng receiver nila.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: Seryo on May 12, 2011 at 08:10 AM
Welcome to PinoyDVD. Kailangan mo rin factor in mo your speakers quality aside from the receiver. Even if bumili ka ng good receiver, your speakers has to be better or the finest. Would be futile if you have a good receiver but inferior speakers. Some audio enthusiasts spend on speaker that is priced much higher than their receivers or sometimes twice the price sa value ng receiver nila.

Thankyou sir, i'll keep that in mind. siguro slow upgrade lang yung gagawin ko. start muna ako sa receiver and pagtitiisan ko muna ung speakers ko na 5.1 for now. i'm very new to this hobby kaya mjo madami pang tanong. pero sa tingin mo okay lang ba bumili ng second hand receivers?
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: Cosmic79 on May 12, 2011 at 08:38 AM
Thankyou sir, i'll keep that in mind. siguro slow upgrade lang yung gagawin ko. start muna ako sa receiver and pagtitiisan ko muna ung speakers ko na 5.1 for now. i'm very new to this hobby kaya mjo madami pang tanong. pero sa tingin mo okay lang ba bumili ng second hand receivers?

Hi Sir

Ok lang naman pag second hand receiver. Marami naman options for second hand receiver for sale dito sa forum. Ok lang din for the time being gamitin mo muna yung current speakers mo and pag naka-luwag na tsaka ka na lang mag-upgrade. Happy shopping!
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: Seryo on May 14, 2011 at 07:43 AM
kanina nagcanvass ako sa Sm Fairview, may nakita akong AV receiver dun 9k lang pioneer sya, i dunno the exact model tapos ang speaker na gamit nila is yung JAMO. mukang okay naman sya.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: warmaster on May 14, 2011 at 08:18 AM
kanina nagcanvass ako sa Sm Fairview, may nakita akong AV receiver dun 9k lang pioneer sya, i dunno the exact model tapos ang speaker na gamit nila is yung JAMO. mukang okay naman sya.

malamang vsx 518 yun. sa listening room sa megamall around 9k na rin lang yung vsx519 nila which is a higher model from the 518
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: Seryo on May 15, 2011 at 08:21 AM
malamang vsx 518 yun. sa listening room sa megamall around 9k na rin lang yung vsx519 nila which is a higher model from the 518

meron pa akong nakita ewan ko kung available sya dito sa pilipinas yung sony 7.1 sumting, around 11k lang sya. meron kaya dito nun sa pinas? yung pioneer vsx 519 anung pinagkaiba nya sa older model?
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: Tavus on May 16, 2011 at 08:35 PM
meron pa akong nakita ewan ko kung available sya dito sa pilipinas yung sony 7.1 sumting, around 11k lang sya. meron kaya dito nun sa pinas? yung pioneer vsx 519 anung pinagkaiba nya sa older model?
Dont go for the 518 it has no hdmi
look here for specs: http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Home/AV-Receivers/Pioneer+Receivers/VSX-518-K (http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Home/AV-Receivers/Pioneer+Receivers/VSX-518-K)
http://www.blu-ray.com/receivers/index.php?prods=11987%2C11986&show=comparison (http://www.blu-ray.com/receivers/index.php?prods=11987%2C11986&show=comparison)

Seryo pioneer 519 has no dolby true HD and DTS master audio.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: Seryo on May 17, 2011 at 10:10 AM
Thankyou sir. hala nako, info overload. primarily sa ps3 gaming ko lang naman sya gagamitin and movie watching, basta yung decent na 5.1 lang talaga na mararamdaman mo talaga na surround sound. should i not pick any of those pioneer AVReceivers?
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: avshop on May 17, 2011 at 10:56 AM
Thankyou sir. hala nako, info overload. primarily sa ps3 gaming ko lang naman sya gagamitin and movie watching, basta yung decent na 5.1 lang talaga na mararamdaman mo talaga na surround sound. should i not pick any of those pioneer AVReceivers?

Come to the shop and check out the Hk and Onkyo receivers. :)
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: Seryo on May 18, 2011 at 12:49 PM
Come to the shop and check out the Hk and Onkyo receivers. :)

where is your shop?
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: avshop on May 18, 2011 at 06:31 PM
where is your shop?

MLY ENTERPRISES. Unit 303 Amaremca bldg. 107a kalayaan avenue, diliman, quezon city. :)

You can call 435-3210. :)
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: plapoy on May 18, 2011 at 06:52 PM
MLY ENTERPRISES. Unit 303 Amaremca bldg. 107a kalayaan avenue, diliman, quezon city. :)

You can call 435-3210. :)

Sir Avshop ano po pinaka landmark nyan shop nyo?.. san sya malapit.. sorry for asking.. bihira kasi ako magawi jan sa mi kalayaan..
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: avshop on May 18, 2011 at 07:12 PM
Sir Avshop ano po pinaka landmark nyan shop nyo?.. san sya malapit.. sorry for asking.. bihira kasi ako magawi jan sa mi kalayaan..


It's the bldg with th Korean restaurant WOO RI JIB on the ground floor. :)
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: plapoy on May 18, 2011 at 07:25 PM
It's the bldg with th Korean restaurant WOO RI JIB on the ground floor. :)

Salamat sir.. ;D drop by po ako jan siguro end of month for a receiver.. mi change na po ba sa mga price ng onkyo receiver like 708 or 808 since meron na mga new avr na lumabas?
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: avshop on May 18, 2011 at 10:30 PM
Salamat sir.. ;D drop by po ako jan siguro end of month for a receiver.. mi change na po ba sa mga price ng onkyo receiver like 708 or 808 since meron na mga new avr na lumabas?


Will check. Alam Ko wala na stock 808. Will check if meron pa 708. :)
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: badoy on Jul 01, 2011 at 12:46 PM
Come to the shop and check out the Hk and Onkyo receivers. :)
ask ko lang anu yung mga high end features ng HK at Onkyo? (protection and power)
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: alrey2215 on Jul 23, 2011 at 08:30 AM
Hello newbie here @ pinoydvd

ive been eyeing on yamaha rx-v371 cnu po natry or meron na po nito mga sir?

ala po ba issue sa unit na to? ska ok n po b 17k price for this unit? meron po kaxe

nakita sa Anson Trinoma selling for 17k cash
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: jepoi on Jul 29, 2011 at 02:21 AM
ano po marerecommend n'yong receiver for this usage:

70% movies/tv series thru NMT
15% music thru portable music player
15% gaming thru ps3

budget siguro max 25k
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: valskie01 on Aug 08, 2011 at 04:22 PM
ano po marerecommend n'yong receiver for this usage:

70% movies/tv series thru NMT
15% music thru portable music player
15% gaming thru ps3

budget siguro max 25k

hk 160
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: Stagea on Aug 08, 2011 at 05:15 PM
Hello newbie here @ pinoydvd

ive been eyeing on yamaha rx-v371 cnu po natry or meron na po nito mga sir?

ala po ba issue sa unit na to? ska ok n po b 17k price for this unit? meron po kaxe

nakita sa Anson Trinoma selling for 17k cash

I have not tried this series, but I'm familiar with the 2010 models (which should be quite similar). The 371 is essentially a 467, just without YPAO calibration. As with the 2010 lineup, the entry-level models utilize chip amps and are current-limited by a lightweight transformer.

As such, they sound best with easy to drive speakers. Try hooking them up to Polk M series speakers. I think they work quite well together.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: melio on Aug 08, 2011 at 09:29 PM
Hello!

Kailangan ko po ng advise ng mga experts.

Akala ko decided na ako sa Onkyo 509 pero buti na lang at merong PinoyDVD para hindi ako magsisi. Hehe.

Anyway, newbie po ako kaya nakakahilo ??? dahil there appears to be just too many choices sa AVR (wala pa speakers diyan).

Budget is P20k - P25k. I read sa 1st 3 pages ng thread na there are better choices than Onkyo for my taste which is 40/60 HT/Music.

Also, it pays to invest in good speakers - kaya I'm trying to keep my budget for an AVR to a minimum. I am thinking of getting Wharf Diamonds 10.1 or 10.2. But I'm very open to change this.

Hopefully may advise po kayo on where I can start.

Salamat po!  :)
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: plapoy on Aug 08, 2011 at 09:37 PM
Hello!

Kailangan ko po ng advise ng mga experts.

Akala ko decided na ako sa Onkyo 509 pero buti na lang at merong PinoyDVD para hindi ako magsisi. Hehe.

Anyway, newbie po ako kaya nakakahilo ??? dahil there appears to be just too many choices sa AVR (wala pa speakers diyan).

Budget is P20k - P25k. I read sa 1st 3 pages ng thread na there are better choices than Onkyo for my taste which is 40/60 HT/Music.

Also, it pays to invest in good speakers - kaya I'm trying to keep my budget for an AVR to a minimum. I am thinking of getting Wharf Diamonds 10.1 or 10.2. But I'm very open to change this.

Hopefully may advise po kayo on where I can start.

Salamat po!  :)

Sir try to audition the 509 with wharfs and see if this will match your taste. There are many AV stores here that carries that brand of avr and speakers.. try to pm them for audition.

avshop(id:avshop), sns(id:E-reply), whatthifi(id:otep32).. ;) happy haunting :D

Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: pa3ck608 on Aug 08, 2011 at 10:14 PM

Budget is P20k - P25k. I read sa 1st 3 pages ng thread na there are better choices than Onkyo for my taste which is 40/60 HT/Music.

Also, it pays to invest in good speakers - kaya I'm trying to keep my budget for an AVR to a minimum. I am thinking of getting Wharf Diamonds 10.1 or 10.2. But I'm very open to change this.

Hopefully may advise po kayo on where I can start.

Salamat po!  :)

just to give you an idea of gear matching (to name a few):
pioneer+wharfe; onkyo+polk; yamaha+monitor audio; yamaha+polk; onkyo+infinity; hk+infinity

the aforementioned generally work well together, but then again audition your options first and decide whatever suits your fancy. ;)
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: Verbl Kint on Aug 09, 2011 at 02:04 AM
just to give you an idea of gear matching (to name a few):
pioneer+wharfe; onkyo+polk; yamaha+monitor audio; yamaha+polk; onkyo+infinity; hk+infinity

the aforementioned generally work well together, but then again audition your options first and decide whatever suits your fancy. ;)

Other combos:

Denon+B&W; Yamaha+Mission; Onkyo+Wharfedale; Konzert+Euros;
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: jhelenz on Aug 09, 2011 at 07:18 PM
di ba onkyo and b & w isa lang distributor here in phils?parang di na mention na match sila.how about marantz?what brand of speaker match well?heard a marantz sr3053 and ma bx2 sa audioworld,ok naman
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: pa3ck608 on Aug 09, 2011 at 08:07 PM
di ba onkyo and b & w isa lang distributor here in phils?parang di na mention na match sila.how about marantz?what brand of speaker match well?heard a marantz sr3053 and ma bx2 sa audioworld,ok naman

malayo na kasi sir sa budget nya na 25k  :)
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: melio on Aug 10, 2011 at 08:41 PM
maraming salamat po sa mga nag-reply with suggestions!

update ko lang kayo na i'm now considering the denon avr-1612 (and onkyo 509).
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: igiwtf on Aug 10, 2011 at 08:58 PM
whats the difference between the two in laymans term

onkyo 609 / 579?i
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: melio on Aug 10, 2011 at 09:09 PM
whats the difference between the two in laymans term

onkyo 609 / 579?i

579 is 7.1. yung 609 naman 7.2 and thx certified

note: post edited
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: thecount on Aug 11, 2011 at 12:03 PM
to those who have is looking for an AVR and have an iPhone/ iPad/ iPod or Apple laptops/desktops.  You may want to consider Denon AVR 1912 with Airplay function.  Check below link. Thanks.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgPj23NajSs

Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: melio on Aug 21, 2011 at 01:59 PM
hello!

i got an onkyo 509, hooked it up with polk a3s then got ourselves an sw350.

btw, polk (tsi and rti) stood out (for me) versus wharfe and even b&w. it really pays to audition.

i'm enjoying every minute listening to them. :)
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: mher718 on Aug 22, 2011 at 08:45 PM
Hello pdvd peeps!

Newbie here and planning to have an HT setup at home and i'm torn between Onkyo 309 and HK 160. I'll be using this 50:50 - movies/music and maybe gaming after a year or two once everything is setup. My planned speakers are the following:

Front: Polk TSi100 or Wharfedale 10.1
Center: Polk CS10 or Wharfedale 10CS
Rear: Wharfedale WH2 or DFS10
Sub: Polk PSW110

thanks in advance :)
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: plapoy on Aug 22, 2011 at 10:16 PM
Hello pdvd peeps!

Newbie here and planning to have an HT setup at home and i'm torn between Onkyo 309 and HK 160. I'll be using this 50:50 - movies/music and maybe gaming after a year or two once everything is setup. My planned speakers are the following:

Front: Polk TSi100 or Wharfedale 10.1
Center: Polk CS10 or Wharfedale 10CS
Rear: Wharfedale WH2 or DFS10
Sub: Polk PSW110

thanks in advance :)

Welcome to PDVD sir mher.. IMHO onkyo avr is better matched with polk audio tsi.. but try to audition each side by side to see which do you prefer..  ;)
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: avshop on Aug 22, 2011 at 10:21 PM
Hello pdvd peeps!

Newbie here and planning to have an HT setup at home and i'm torn between Onkyo 309 and HK 160. I'll be using this 50:50 - movies/music and maybe gaming after a year or two once everything is setup. My planned speakers are the following:

Front: Polk TSi100 or Wharfedale 10.1
Center: Polk CS10 or Wharfedale 10CS
Rear: Wharfedale WH2 or DFS10
Sub: Polk PSW110

thanks in advance :)

If you don't need 3d for go for the Hk 160. It'll sound better than the 309. :)

As for Polk and wharf. Go for the polks. They'll sound a lot better. :)
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: rolandumali on Aug 23, 2011 at 07:08 AM
to those who have is looking for an AVR and have an iPhone/ iPad/ iPod or Apple laptops/desktops.  You may want to consider Denon AVR 1912 with Airplay function.  Check below link. Thanks.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgPj23NajSs



How much is the 1912?
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: mher718 on Aug 23, 2011 at 08:37 AM
thanks for the reply sir plapoy and sir avshop, just an off topic question though. i have an old JVC 21" crt TV that i'll be using for the setup. my question is, would i still be able to watch DVD, 720p, 1080p/i movies using that TV?

Thanks in advance! :)
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: mher718 on Aug 23, 2011 at 08:41 AM
If you don't need 3d for go for the Hk 160. It'll sound better than the 309. :)

As for Polk and wharf. Go for the polks. They'll sound a lot better. :)

Sir, i have concerns regarding the AVR's, first is durability - alin po ang mas matibay sa 2 and 2nd is availability of parts and service. Just in case magkaron ng problema madali lang po ba ang parts and service?

Thanks in advance. :)
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: melio on Aug 24, 2011 at 08:29 PM
thanks for the reply sir plapoy and sir avshop, just an off topic question though. i have an old JVC 21" crt TV that i'll be using for the setup. my question is, would i still be able to watch DVD, 720p, 1080p/i movies using that TV?

Thanks in advance! :)

if the TV is very old, it most likely doesn't have HDMI inputs - only RCAs for video-in (ito yung kulay dilaw). pwede as long as the AVR has output for that type. i think the 309 has that (not sure with the 160).
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: Onkyo606 on Aug 24, 2011 at 08:32 PM
thanks for the reply sir plapoy and sir avshop, just an off topic question though. i have an old JVC 21" crt TV that i'll be using for the setup. my question is, would i still be able to watch DVD, 720p, 1080p/i movies using that TV?

Thanks in advance! :)

you cant sir, only HD Tv can play HD movies, CRT will show standard definition only and not HD
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: plapoy on Aug 24, 2011 at 10:39 PM
you cant sir, only HD Tv can play HD movies, CRT will show standard definition only and not HD

+1  ;)
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: mher718 on Aug 25, 2011 at 12:47 PM
+1  ;)

thanks for the reply, at least makakapanood pa rin kami. i was thinking of a blank screen because of "out of sync" pag 720 or 1080 na format. pwede na siguro pag tyagaan for the mean time until maka acquire ng LCD/LED TV.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: Erbz on Sep 13, 2011 at 11:00 PM
hello!

i got an onkyo 509, hooked it up with polk a3s then got ourselves an sw350.

btw, polk (tsi and rti) stood out (for me) versus wharfe and even b&w. it really pays to audition.

i'm enjoying every minute listening to them. :)

Sir, we have the exct sme setup. Di ba siya medyo bright? Whats your setting when listening to stereo audio?
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: plapoy on Sep 13, 2011 at 11:15 PM
Sir, we have the exct sme setup. Di ba siya medyo bright? Whats your setting when listening to stereo audio?

sir try pure/direct mode for stereo music..
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: Erbz on Sep 13, 2011 at 11:33 PM
sir try pure/direct mode for stereo music..

Did that na parang ganun pa din. Need ba i breakin?
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: plapoy on Sep 15, 2011 at 03:32 PM
Did that na parang ganun pa din. Need ba i breakin?

kung bago po pareho yung gears nyo.. try to listen to it muna.. baka kelangan lang po ng breakin.. ganon pa din.. try nyo po ang magpreamp or tube buffer..
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: Erbz on Sep 15, 2011 at 08:25 PM
kung bago po pareho yung gears nyo.. try to listen to it muna.. baka kelangan lang po ng breakin.. ganon pa din.. try nyo po ang magpreamp or tube buffer..

Ok sir. Thanks! What's a tube buffer?
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: plapoy on Sep 19, 2011 at 11:43 AM
Ok sir. Thanks! What's a tube buffer?

Here's a thread.. try to backread and ask sir Ivan (Kemozavi)

http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,116980.msg1496370.html#msg1496370 (ftp://http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,116980.msg1496370.html#msg1496370)

I think he can explain it more to you..  :D but i suggest if your system is new.. try to listen to it muna.. baka in time mawala din yung brightness.. ganyan din yung skin.. i'm using 608 with rtiA3... sa una talaga mejo bright sya.. tried also different setting of the avr baka magustuhan mo yung tunog..

Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: Erbz on Sep 19, 2011 at 07:48 PM
Here's a thread.. try to backread and ask sir Ivan (Kemozavi)

http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,116980.msg1496370.html#msg1496370 (ftp://http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,116980.msg1496370.html#msg1496370)

I think he can explain it more to you..  :D but i suggest if your system is new.. try to listen to it muna.. baka in time mawala din yung brightness.. ganyan din yung skin.. i'm using 608 with rtiA3... sa una talaga mejo bright sya.. tried also different setting of the avr baka magustuhan mo yung tunog..



Ok sir... pero kinda gave up on it na. Replaced it with a marantz 6003.   ;D am planning to unload my onkyo 509. Wala pa naman one month yun. He he!
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: plapoy on Sep 20, 2011 at 10:55 PM
Ok sir... pero kinda gave up on it na. Replaced it with a marantz 6003.   ;D am planning to unload my onkyo 509. Wala pa naman one month yun. He he!

wow.. ang bilis ng upgrade ah.. hehe.. congrats sir. siguro mas ok sa music nyan based sa mga reviews dito sa forum.. mabilis lang yan sa marketplace.. baka 1 day lang makuha na yan. hehe. goodluck on your sale sir..

Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: Cru3L on Sep 21, 2011 at 04:36 AM
Need an advise. I plan to buy Pioneer 5.1 AVR 150w/chan. (forgot the exact model) with 5.1 speaker package (floor stand, center, surround speaker and sub-woofer) for more or less P30k. I will be using this setup on movies, listening music and karaoke session on get together/small occasion. I bought before a Sakura with a pair of store assembled 3way speaker (12" main speaker) for this purposes because I was afraid the branded AVR will be broken with the karaoke purposes. I'm not contented anymore using Sakura as it has only analog inputs and can't enjoy surround sounds on movies though it has decent sound but stereo only. Having said that, I'm now back to the dilemma of using a branded receiver (Pioneer in my case) to a karaoke purposes.  Any comments?
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: ninjababez® on Sep 21, 2011 at 04:58 AM
Need an advise. I plan to buy Pioneer 5.1 AVR 150w/chan. (forgot the exact model) with 5.1 speaker package (floor stand, center, surround speaker and sub-woofer) for more or less P30k. I will be using this setup on movies, listening music and karaoke session on get together/small occasion. I bought before a Sakura with a pair of store assembled 3way speaker (12" main speaker) for this purposes because I was afraid the branded AVR will be broken with the karaoke purposes. I'm not contented anymore using Sakura as it has only analog inputs and can't enjoy surround sounds on movies though it has decent sound but stereo only. Having said that, I'm now back to the dilemma of using a branded receiver (Pioneer in my case) to a karaoke purposes.  Any comments?
IMO, if you can, keep the sakura for your videoke occassions :)
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: Cru3L on Sep 21, 2011 at 05:32 AM
IMO, if you can, keep the sakura for your videoke occassions :)

Waahh, I'm going to dispose the Sakura once I acquire the Pioneer AVR not just to fund for the new one but because there is no space anymore for the 2 set of sound system. Really need to find all purpose sound system.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: Erbz on Sep 21, 2011 at 09:16 AM
wow.. ang bilis ng upgrade ah.. hehe.. congrats sir. siguro mas ok sa music nyan based sa mga reviews dito sa forum.. mabilis lang yan sa marketplace.. baka 1 day lang makuha na yan. hehe. goodluck on your sale sir..



Oo nga e. My onkyo 509 is still less than a month old and has warranty pa. One Year. Will post it siguro soon. Thanks again!
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: m35ius on Sep 23, 2011 at 12:53 AM
good evening!

i need some advice on what receiver to purchase. the onkyo tx-nr609 or tx-nr509 or any brand equivalent to these two receivers. i heard marantz is also good.

i'm planning to buy next month since i just recently bought a new led/lcd tv.

right now i have a pair of polk s4 for my future receiver. i'll add speakers maybe early next year.

my budget would be around Php 20,000-30,000.

thanks in advance!
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: plapoy on Sep 23, 2011 at 03:14 AM
good evening!

i need some advice on what receiver to purchase. the onkyo tx-nr609 or tx-nr509 or any brand equivalent to these two receivers. i heard marantz is also good.

i'm planning to buy next month since i just recently bought a new led/lcd tv.

right now i have a pair of polk s4 for my future receiver. i'll add speakers maybe early next year.

my budget would be around Php 20,000-30,000.

thanks in advance!

onkyo 609 for me.. ;) but i suggest you audition it with your future speaker.  :D
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: m35ius on Sep 23, 2011 at 03:31 AM
@plapoy: thanks for the input sir.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: dck22 on Sep 29, 2011 at 01:21 PM
Hi all,

I'm new here in PDVD.

Any suggestions on what receiver should I get based on:

SPEAKER SPECS: Pioneer used in component (hindi naman kasi ginagamit)
(please see the pictures)
(http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc205/dck22/Picture001.jpg)
(http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc205/dck22/Picture007.jpg)

SUB WOOFER: Targa (Car Sub woofer) (hindi na rin ginagamit)
ROOM FLOOR AREA: approximately 10square meter
DISPLAY: Samsung 40"LEDTV Series 5
PURPOSE: 80%movies 20%music

From what I read, onkyo, denon, matranz and yamaha yung madalas mabanggit, kaso
no idea with the specific model. and usually 15k to 20k ang price niya, meron ba nung
less than 15k?
 
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: suavegabe on Sep 29, 2011 at 01:45 PM
i need help in choosing between an onkyo 509 and a pioneer 920 which will be used mainly for movies and will be paired with wharfedale diamond 9s.

i've heard the onkyo and liked the sound and audyssey is also a plus for me.

i haven't had a chance to listen to the pio 920 though but the main thing which makes me consider the pioneer is because it's 7.1 (there's this nagging thought in my head na what if i decide to upgrade to 7.1 next year, sayang naman kung yung 509 yung binili ko) and it's actually 1-2k cheaper.

any advise? the onkyo 609 is a bit way out of my budget already.

TIA
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: pa3ck608 on Sep 29, 2011 at 01:48 PM
@dck22
try the marketplace thread. im sure may pasok sa budget mo, just look for a receiver with hdmi because thats the trend. kung kaya pa magstretch ng budget, theres an onkyo 805 selling for just 20k. its one of the best buys sa marketplace imo.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: Stagea on Sep 29, 2011 at 03:49 PM
i need help in choosing between an onkyo 509 and a pioneer 920 which will be used mainly for movies and will be paired with wharfedale diamond 9s.

i've heard the onkyo and liked the sound and audyssey is also a plus for me.

i haven't had a chance to listen to the pio 920 though but the main thing which makes me consider the pioneer is because it's 7.1 (there's this nagging thought in my head na what if i decide to upgrade to 7.1 next year, sayang naman kung yung 509 yung binili ko) and it's actually 1-2k cheaper.

any advise? the onkyo 609 is a bit way out of my budget already.

TIA

The Audyssey implementation used in both the 509 and the 609 is of low value for most people. The filters applied by 2eq isn't worth writing home about, imho.

Of the two, I'd prefer the 920 because of its slightly better processing capability and flexibility. The 509 may handle hard to drive speakers a little better though.

Try both, as YMMV.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: suavegabe on Sep 29, 2011 at 03:59 PM
thanks Stagea! yeah i'll try to audition the 920s before making the final decision.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: plapoy on Sep 29, 2011 at 05:06 PM
@dck22
try the marketplace thread. im sure may pasok sa budget mo, just look for a receiver with hdmi because thats the trend. kung kaya pa magstretch ng budget, theres an onkyo 805 selling for just 20k. its one of the best buys sa marketplace imo.

@dck22 +100..  ;) best buy na toh for just 20k?.. :o :o :o
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: dck22 on Sep 29, 2011 at 07:19 PM
@plapoy & pa3ck608

gusto ko man mga sir, kaso wala pa akong budget kakabili ko lang ng ledtv.
and when i saw those ports sa likod nung receiver natatakot na ako (baka ako kainin haha)
hindi ko pa alam kung paano ginagamit yung mga yun.

siguro magbabasa basa muna ako dito bago magdecide kung anong bibilhin.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: pa3ck608 on Sep 29, 2011 at 08:21 PM
@plapoy & pa3ck608

gusto ko man mga sir, kaso wala pa akong budget kakabili ko lang ng ledtv.
and when i saw those ports sa likod nung receiver natatakot na ako (baka ako kainin haha)
hindi ko pa alam kung paano ginagamit yung mga yun.

siguro magbabasa basa muna ako dito bago magdecide kung anong bibilhin.

sa simula lng po it seems complicated, but actually its not. magtanong lng po kayo dito sa mga members and they will gladly walk you through  ;)
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: Nelson de Leon on Oct 02, 2011 at 01:03 PM
@plapoy & pa3ck608

gusto ko man mga sir, kaso wala pa akong budget kakabili ko lang ng ledtv.
and when i saw those ports sa likod nung receiver natatakot na ako (baka ako kainin haha)
hindi ko pa alam kung paano ginagamit yung mga yun.

siguro magbabasa basa muna ako dito bago magdecide kung anong bibilhin.

sa simula lng po it seems complicated, but actually its not. magtanong lng po kayo dito sa mga members and they will gladly walk you through  ;)

Mas nakakatakot yun mga functions ng receiver and remote especially yun may self calibration. Kapag nagkamali ka, sira ang settings. Last night, i tried to program my cd player sa remote ng Pio ko. Didn't work. Then suddenly, pati sa receiver, di din gumana. Buti na lang may manual for resetting the remote.  ;)
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: Daemon_Seraphim on Oct 13, 2011 at 09:21 AM
Sirs,

Ano po ba ang magandang speakers ang i-pair for the ff receivers:

Onkyo 609
Onkyo 509
Harman Kardon (not sure of the model but within the price range of the 1st 2 above)

So I would have an idea what to audition sa shops.

Thank you for the help.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: m35ius on Oct 15, 2011 at 01:23 AM
peeps tulong naman kung anong receiver ang maganda sa mga ito:

Pioneer VSX-521K 5.1 Channel 3D Ready A/V Receiver
Onkyo TX-SR309 5.1 A/V Home Theater Receiver
Onkyo TX-NR509 Network Receiver
Harman Kardon AVR-1600 7.1-Channel A/V Receiver
Denon AVR-1612 5.1-Channel AV Surround Receiver
Denon AVR-1312 5.1-Channel AV Surround Receiver
Yamaha RX-V471 5.1 Channel Home Theater Receiver
Yamaha RX-V371 5 Channel Home Theater Receiver

sa kwarto namin gagamitin

sources na ikakabit ko - console, media player, bluray player, cable box

thanks in advance!
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: avshop on Oct 15, 2011 at 03:40 PM
Come by the shop to check out the Hk 165, Hk 265, Onkyo 509 and Onkyo 609. :)
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: avshop on Oct 15, 2011 at 03:41 PM
Sirs,

Ano po ba ang magandang speakers ang i-pair for the ff receivers:

Onkyo 609
Onkyo 509
Harman Kardon (not sure of the model but within the price range of the 1st 2 above)

So I would have an idea what to audition sa shops.

Thank you for the help.

Come by the shop and check out acoustic energy, B&w and Polk audio. All three brands will match well with those amps. :)
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: torque on Oct 21, 2011 at 11:18 AM
Hi Guys,

I'm planning to replace my Onkyo502 with either Denon1612 or HK1565, will get it free using Skymiles.
In terms of extra features panalo ang Denon (Audyssey MultiEQ and Ipod connection via USB).
How about sa Music - anong match sa 1SC Clone?

My current set-up:
Receiver: Onkyo 502
Pre-Amp: Tube Preamp (Baby T) by JD Labs
Speakers: Front - 1SC Clone (A-audio), Center - DTX, Surround - Wharfe 9.1
Sources: Pioneer 610, WDTV Live

Salamat!
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: Daemon_Seraphim on Oct 23, 2011 at 12:54 AM
Come by the shop and check out acoustic energy, B&w and Polk audio. All three brands will match well with those amps. :)

How about the Monitor Audio BX series are they good to pair with the mentioned receivers? I listened to a BX2 being driven by a small amp on a stereo setup and it sounded nice, warm.  I was wondering if it can also sound good on the receivers for home theater. 

Most of the folks and the threads I see posted, vouch for the Polk Audio. Haven't auditioned this yet though.

Thank you for your reply/help.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: avshop on Oct 23, 2011 at 11:00 AM
How about the Monitor Audio BX series are they good to pair with the mentioned receivers? I listened to a BX2 being driven by a small amp on a stereo setup and it sounded nice, warm.  I was wondering if it can also sound good on the receivers for home theater. 

Most of the folks and the threads I see posted, vouch for the Polk Audio. Haven't auditioned this yet though.

Thank you for your reply/help.

Ok din bx series. Though I prefer the rx over the bx. :)
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: Nelson de Leon on Oct 23, 2011 at 12:47 PM
Ok din bx series. Though I prefer the rx over the bx. :)

Ok ang bx basta wag mo lang papakinggan ang rx.  ;D
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: Daemon_Seraphim on Oct 24, 2011 at 12:12 PM
Hehe thing is I accidentally listened to a demo of the RX series here in SG. Accidental because right after i finished auditioning the BX2, another customer requested to demo the RX series. Wow! All i can say is wow .

The sound coming from an amplifier brand that's an unknown (maybe a Chinese brand-Music Infinity M01 vacuum tube amp)  Link: http://www.isinoaudio.com/products/Amplifiers/M01A-Vacuum-Tube-Audio-Amp.htm (http://www.isinoaudio.com/products/Amplifiers/M01A-Vacuum-Tube-Audio-Amp.htm)

I was impressed!
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: M68 on Oct 29, 2011 at 10:30 PM
Mga bossing. What's a good entry level AV receiver complete with 5.1 speakers? 'Di po kasi kalakihan ang budget ko. Gusto ko lang grumadweyt from the all-in-one sets na nabibili sa regular appliance stores. Any help will be appreciated. :)
Title: Re: budget amp to drive POLK
Post by: deadlock2004 on Nov 03, 2011 at 08:19 AM
I need your recommendation for a budget AMP around the 5k area, it will be driving two in-ceiling polk audio sc60 ( http://www.polkaudio.com/customaudio/sc/index.php#sc60 ). It will mainly be used for playing music inside a store, I would like it to have USB reading capability or a line-in for a media player.

Thank you for the help.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: Courage on Nov 03, 2011 at 03:28 PM
Mga bossing. What's a good entry level AV receiver complete with 5.1 speakers? 'Di po kasi kalakihan ang budget ko. Gusto ko lang grumadweyt from the all-in-one sets na nabibili sa regular appliance stores. Any help will be appreciated. :)

Makakatulong sir if you posted your Maximum budget..
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: dandyqb on Nov 05, 2011 at 07:55 PM
mga sirs,

planning to acquire a new receiver, my budget is around 10-13k, at least w/ HDMI as i will connect my laptop/PC as a player, someone told me that he saw a Yamaha AVR in MOA worth 11.5k but cant confirm it kasi  taga bicol ako so d2 na ako magtatanong para once na lumuwas na ako ng manila i know what and which item to look, for the meantime i will use my cheapo 5.1 speakers, then upgrade later, thanks in advance po :)
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: drachx on Nov 17, 2011 at 09:14 AM
im planning to buy 10.2 wharfs ..anong entry av receiver pwde d2 ( i prefer sana yamaha )

thanks
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: dandyqb on Nov 17, 2011 at 01:29 PM
i ended up buying the Pioneer 521K receiver for 15k, so far so good happy naman ako,hehe..kahit entry level lakas na din na pang kwarto lang, nagustuhan ko dito;

HMDI 1.4 supported
3D ready na
5.1 default pero pwede maging 7.1
MCACC works flawlessly
then yung warranty na din kasi may malapit na service center dito samin, no need lumuwas ng manila.

next year planning to upgrade to elite series kahit entry level uli :)
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: paramount on Nov 17, 2011 at 09:47 PM
I am currently using yamaha rxv567 with polk audio tsi series, i plan to upgrade my amp, and am thinking of onkyo 609, is there a big diff ?
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: melio on Nov 23, 2011 at 10:11 PM
Sirs,

Ano po ba ang magandang speakers ang i-pair for the ff receivers:

Onkyo 609
Onkyo 509
Harman Kardon (not sure of the model but within the price range of the 1st 2 above)

So I would have an idea what to audition sa shops.

Thank you for the help.

Mine's an Onkyo 509 paired to Polk Audio RTi A3s. I chose the A3s over the following:

B&W (forgot the model)
Wharfedales 9 bookshelfs
Polk Audio TSi floorstanders

I thought the B&W would blow me away pero somehow I wasn't impressed nung ni-audition ko. Wharfedale was lacking. And yung TSi floorstanders, well came close but I have no space sa bahay. Swak na swak yung A3s.

So nasa taste este pandinig mo pa rin. And make sure you have room for them. ;D
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: [r0n1n] on Nov 24, 2011 at 08:47 PM
Hehe thing is I accidentally listened to a demo of the RX series here in SG. Accidental because right after i finished auditioning the BX2, another customer requested to demo the RX series. Wow! All i can say is wow .

Sa Precision Audio yan, right? Inaudition ko din BX2,BX5, at RX6. Nagustuhan ko yung RX6 but way above my budget  :'(

Nasa SG ka din pala, punta ka sa Int'l Sight and Sound exhibit next week. oops sorry for the OT ;D
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: dck22 on Nov 24, 2011 at 09:50 PM
hi mga sir, tanong lang po sulit na po ba itong pinabili ko na receiver pang entry level?

 Pioneer VSX-921-K  for 230USD

Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: dandyqb on Nov 24, 2011 at 10:07 PM
Quote
hi mga sir, tanong lang po sulit na po ba itong pinabili ko na receiver pang entry level?

 Pioneer VSX-921-K  for 230USD

di ata entry level yan sir  :)

yung 521k ang entry level at yun ang meron ako, so far so good ok naman, laki bagay din ang MCACC...
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: xdope12 on Nov 30, 2011 at 01:48 AM
kailangan nba ng upgrade ng avr ko?

Harman kardon avr 155
and jbl speakers scs  200.5?

Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: Courage on Nov 30, 2011 at 03:58 AM
kailangan nba ng upgrade ng avr ko?

Harman kardon avr 155
and jbl speakers scs  200.5?



It depends on your needs sir. Are there something na di magawa nang AVR mo na nagagawa nang new AVR's. Do you need those functions?
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: LETOR on Dec 16, 2011 at 12:05 PM
In todays market for AV set-up, which brand/model of AVR's best matched with wharfedale speakers? Giving musicality and video preference of 55/45 ratio on performance. Would it be Onkyo, Yamaha, Denon, Marantz, Pioneer, etc. Thanks in advance for any info you can share...
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: weebie on Dec 16, 2011 at 12:45 PM
Need Help in Choosing a receiver 20k or lower ang budget..^^baka merong sale ;D anyway Im
Aiming for HK,Yamaha, Denon. Speaker to be hookup are Wharf WH2 2 sorround 1 center. I'll be using my PC as its source.. gaming,audio,movie. Ano po kaya maganda mga bossing..Sub and front susunod ko na lng before the year ends.

TIA

Title: Re: Choosing a Receiver
Post by: sherwin on Dec 16, 2011 at 01:06 PM
HELP NAMAN MGA SIR KAYA PO BA I DRIVE NG SAKURA AV-739 750X2 WATTS UNG 4 600WATTS 15" SPEAKER 8 OHMS?
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: Nelson de Leon on Dec 16, 2011 at 04:41 PM
In todays market for AV set-up, which brand/model of AVR's best matched with wharfedale speakers? Giving musicality and video preference of 55/45 ratio on performance. Would it be Onkyo, Yamaha, Denon, Marantz, Pioneer, etc. Thanks in advance for any info you can share...

Need Help in Choosing a receiver 20k or lower ang budget..^^baka merong sale ;D anyway Im
Aiming for HK,Yamaha, Denon. Speaker to be hookup are Wharf WH2 2 sorround 1 center. I'll be using my PC as its source.. gaming,audio,movie. Ano po kaya maganda mga bossing..Sub and front susunod ko na lng before the year ends.

TIA

Try niyo yamaha for Wharf.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: LETOR on Dec 18, 2011 at 01:48 PM
Try niyo yamaha for Wharf.

Thanks for the feedback. In this pairing, what would be notable in the performance when compared to other pairings (Wharf + Onkyo or Denon, Marantz, Harman Kardon or etc,)?

 
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: klassik on Jan 13, 2012 at 10:32 PM
hello pinoydvd fellow members,

im currently searching for an av reciever 5.1 to power my:

front:    tannoy f4 tower speakers
center : mission mv8 series
rear:      mission mv8 series
sub:      no sub yet

since my house is new, i have provided a room with measurements of 4 meters by 6 meters to be use only for theatre and audio purposes.

my budget is 20k.

thanks,
klassik


Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: gudspeed on Feb 02, 2012 at 04:17 PM
What will you sugest guys? rotel ra 04se or yquin mc10l amp for polk rti a3.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: [dcw]aaron on Feb 02, 2012 at 04:27 PM
help mga guru..which of the two do you think is better in terms of price-performance ratio? both are entry level avrs..thanks!

yamaha rx v371
pioneer vsx 521-k (cheaper ng kaunti sa yamaha)

to be paired with MS carnivals:
front: carnival 6
center: carnival 5
rear: carnival 3
sub: carnival 9

Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: JhunT on Feb 24, 2012 at 10:08 PM
pla suggest what is the best match AVR for Mission speaker M35..
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: Philander on Mar 06, 2012 at 02:07 AM
pla suggest what is the best match AVR for Mission speaker M35..

Marantz, Denon, or Harman Kardon should work fine
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: DIDi10 on Mar 13, 2012 at 09:31 AM
Good day mga experts, ano po masasabi nyo dito? Currently im using yamaha 465. Planning to upgrade sana with higher power but tight ang budget. Not necessarily brand new

There are many available AVR in the marketplace today but here are my only choices since tipid mode talaga.

1. Onkyo HT-RC260 (same specs of 608 but w/out THX certification)- With todays latest technology (HDMI, audio video HD support).

2 Yamaha HTR-6090 (same as RX-V1700)- more power, sound quality and performance, built like a tank i think, with HDMI I/O but lack of todays latest technolgy (audio HD support, video upscaling to 1080p)

As of now i still haven't used the audio HD capability of my avr and still don't have any idea if there is really a big difference on sound quality of having a TruHD or DTS HD from without. If you're in my shoes, what would be your choice? Your inputs will be a great help. Thanks

Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: LouieA on Apr 02, 2012 at 08:05 PM
@Brader [dcw]aaron.  Pwede malaman kung ano nabili mo between the yamaha 371and pio 521? im planning to get one of those... TIA
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: jpaul_abbie01 on Apr 23, 2012 at 08:24 PM
any Onkyo HT-R670 user here?
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: defined on May 06, 2012 at 12:18 PM
Gudpm po...question lang po which is better paired with tsi 200/cs 10..pioneer vsx 521 or yamaha rxv471...
for mostly movies and sometimes music..thx in advance...

Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: raider125jeigh on May 06, 2012 at 12:49 PM
Gudpm po...question lang po which is better paired with tsi 200/cs 10..pioneer vsx 521 or yamaha rxv471...
for mostly movies and sometimes music..thx in advance...


pioneer 821 na kunin mo brader
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: dartpogi31 on Jun 13, 2012 at 10:38 PM
choosing av reciever budget 12k... please help

gagamitin ko sa 5.1 speaker ko at Blu-ray player..., probably with hdmi atleast 2 ports. (paki sabi na rin po kung saan makakabili salamat po... )
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: Courage on Jun 13, 2012 at 11:08 PM
choosing av reciever budget 12k... please help

gagamitin ko sa 5.1 speaker ko at Blu-ray player..., probably with hdmi atleast 2 ports. (paki sabi na rin po kung saan makakabili salamat po... )

Abang ka sa Market Place.. dami dun..
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: Frankthetank on Jul 03, 2012 at 10:17 AM
Ano po mas okay sa dalawa?

Pioneer vsx521 or Onkyo 509?

Bale 75% Movies and 25% Music ang gamit ko po.

To be paired with Polk Audio TSi Series.

Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: bentotz on Jul 07, 2012 at 07:38 PM
hi, ask ko lang ano ok na i-partner na av receiver sa polk audio blackstone tl1600?
budget is 15k.. 50/50 for music and movies.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: raider125jeigh on Jul 08, 2012 at 11:39 AM
hi, ask ko lang ano ok na i-partner na av receiver sa polk audio blackstone tl1600?
budget is 15k.. 50/50 for music and movies.

madami na mabibili yang 15k mo sa MP
hanap hanap ka lang

or dagdagan mo konti may 805 dun hehehe
or hanap ka ng bnew na 509 ng onkyo
pero i prefered use na midrange
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: bentotz on Jul 08, 2012 at 02:04 PM
madami na mabibili yang 15k mo sa MP
hanap hanap ka lang

or dagdagan mo konti may 805 dun hehehe
or hanap ka ng bnew na 509 ng onkyo
pero i prefered use na midrange

thanks for the reply.. i saw this pioneer 821 sa MP, not sure nga lang kung my available pa.. ok ba yung model na un?
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: defined on Sep 16, 2012 at 08:18 AM
Gudam..just wanna ask some question im only a newbie in terms of ht...ano po mga important tips in choosing a receiver?for mostly use in home theater...what are the characteristics in terms of sound ng mga receiver like pioneer,yamaha,denon,marantz,onkyo...ano po rin po mga tips in pairing it with a speakers..ano po ba purpose ng preout sa receiver....thank you...
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: Nelson de Leon on Sep 16, 2012 at 04:51 PM
Gudam..just wanna ask some question im only a newbie in terms of ht...ano po mga important tips in choosing a receiver?for mostly use in home theater...what are the characteristics in terms of sound ng mga receiver like pioneer,yamaha,denon,marantz,onkyo...ano po rin po mga tips in pairing it with a speakers..ano po ba purpose ng preout sa receiver....thank you...

1. HDMI output
2. At least 4 HDMI input
3. Can decode audio via HDMI. Tru HD and master Audio is a plus
4. Depending on the speaker, i would say it should have at least 5 bands of EQ for calibration.
5. At least 50w per channel.
6. Has at least 2 digital audio inputs

With regards to pairing, it would be dependent on your budget and preference.

Use the preout if you want to use external amplification for your speakers.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: defined on Sep 16, 2012 at 05:44 PM
thank you for the info sir...
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: rmgmatmat on Sep 18, 2012 at 04:19 PM


      mga sir, pa-help naman po. oks lang ba na Harman Kardon avr155 ang receiver tapos ang speaker is yamaha ns-c8900?  compatible kaya ito? ang gamit ko kc na receiver ngaun ay pioneer na old model na, mag-upgrade sana kc ako e.

    thanks mga sir c",)
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: ponky26 on Sep 28, 2012 at 03:03 PM
1. HDMI output
2. At least 4 HDMI input
3. Can decode audio via HDMI. Tru HD and master Audio is a plus
4. Depending on the speaker, i would say it should have at least 5 bands of EQ for calibration.
5. At least 50w per channel.
6. Has at least 2 digital audio inputs

With regards to pairing, it would be dependent on your budget and preference.

Use the preout if you want to use external amplification for your speakers.


ayus to. thanks sir Nelson..
 i was eyeing on this Pioneer VSX522k. medyo kakayanin ng hampas-lupa budget ko sa future.  ;D

pasok ata to sa mga nabangit mo.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: defined on Sep 29, 2012 at 07:08 AM
Gudam...question lang po...if a receiver supports 8/6/4 ohms...if i put a 6 ohms speaker..automatic na po ba siya..i mean plug and play?ala na po ba i aadjust?cnxa n po newbie lang hehe...another question lang po...if a receiver output 110 w/channel..ok lang po na lagyan siya ng speakers with 100watts..thank you...
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: ninjababez® on Sep 29, 2012 at 11:59 AM
Gudam...question lang po...if a receiver supports 8/6/4 ohms...if i put a 6 ohms speaker..automatic na po ba siya..i mean plug and play?ala na po ba i aadjust?

YES WALA KA NA I-ADJUST

cnxa n po newbie lang hehe...another question lang po...if a receiver output 110 w/channel..ok lang po na lagyan siya ng speakers with 100watts..thank you...

YES OK LANG, INGAT LANG MA-OVERDRIVE YUNG SPEAKERS.  PERO THE HIGHER OUTPUT NG RECEIVER, MAS MAGANDA SA SPEAKERS KASI DI SYA MAG DISTORT SA HIGHER VOLUME.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: defined on Sep 29, 2012 at 04:30 PM
ahh..sir what do you mean by "ma overdrive"?...question po ulit...if a bookshelf speaker are rated 150watts..does it means 75watts per bookshelf speaker?thx po
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: Timithekid on Sep 29, 2012 at 05:40 PM
ahh..sir what do you mean by "ma overdrive"?...question po ulit...if a bookshelf speaker are rated 150watts..does it means 75watts per bookshelf speaker?thx po

Overdrive means your receiver has more power than your speakers can handle and you are listening at very high volumes, medyo mahirap naman magawa yan eh, unless nakapower amp ka and you are driving very small bs speakers. Kung rated at 150w rms per piece po yon.  I havent come across a spec that gives value for both put together.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: defined on Sep 29, 2012 at 06:12 PM
ahhh..then it means 150watts per piece of bookshelf speaker?thx
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: G-Racer on Sep 29, 2012 at 06:17 PM
ahhh..then it means 150watts per piece of bookshelf speaker?thx

Its better mas mataas ang power rating nang receiver kesa sa power rating nang speaker needed to drive it. A speaker that requires high power handling when paired with a low power receiver may result to clipping if used at very high volume. This might damage both.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: Timithekid on Sep 29, 2012 at 06:35 PM
Its better mas mataas ang power rating nang receiver kesa sa power rating nang speaker needed to drive it. A speaker that requires high power handling when paired with a low power receiver may result to clipping if used at very high volume. This might damage both.

Preferably if they can be rated the same thats ideal, if your amp is more powerful than your speakers its fine as long as you don't overdrive naman, if amp power is lower ok lang naman din if its power is close enough to the rms rating of the speaker. E.g. 80w/ch driving 100w speakers. Safe ka na dyan kahit reference levels pa volume mo.  The protect feature of your receiver should kick in naman so i think you can experiment pushing your equipment...but i will never do that to mine, i won't tempt fate.  ;)
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: defined on Sep 29, 2012 at 07:01 PM
hmmm...it means that a bookshelf rated 150watts like polk rtia3 means have output power of 300watts combining the two?gnun po ba yun?thx...
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: Timithekid on Sep 29, 2012 at 07:18 PM
hmmm...it means that a bookshelf rated 150watts like polk rtia3 means have output power of 300watts combining the two?gnun po ba yun?thx...

I'm not sure why you want to combine the two figures...those are two separate speakers that need to be driven by separate channels.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: defined on Sep 29, 2012 at 07:31 PM
hmm.. i'm just only want to clarify thats all and learn some info about it...well as you said its per piece right?thats why i said that its output 300watts...nevertheless i just want to know the total output power of my system thats why i ask this....thank you..
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: Timithekid on Sep 29, 2012 at 07:50 PM
hmm.. i'm just only want to clarify thats all and learn some info about it...well as you said its per piece right?thats why i said that its output 300watts...nevertheless i just want to know the total output power of my system thats why i ask this....thank you..

I think this is something you might like to read since you want to learn about your system output.

http://stereos.about.com/od/stereoscience/a/amppower.htm
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: ninjababez® on Sep 30, 2012 at 11:31 AM
hmm.. i'm just only want to clarify thats all and learn some info about it...well as you said its per piece right?thats why i said that its output 300watts...nevertheless i just want to know the total output power of my system thats why i ask this....thank you..
like what gracer said
Its better mas mataas ang power rating nang receiver kesa sa power rating nang speaker needed to drive it. A speaker that requires high power handling when paired with a low power receiver may result to clipping if used at very high volume. This might damage both.

let me put it this way,
you can also use a weak receiver on a powerful speaker, as long as you dont push the receiver to its limit. (it will work, but it may not sound good sayang potential ng speaker)
you can use a very powerful receiver on weakly rated speaker as long as you do not overdrive it because of clipping.

the latter would be ideal ;)

wait mo mga masters mag chime in di ako sanay magpaliwanag :D



Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: raider125jeigh on Sep 30, 2012 at 04:08 PM
pabiling popcorn.... :o  :o  :o
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: markcrenz on Sep 30, 2012 at 05:59 PM
... A speaker that requires high power handling when paired with a low power receiver may result to clipping if used at very high volume. This might damage both.
a 50 watt receiver clipping its square waves out will surely run out of steam before its 200 watt speaker reaches its thermal and mechanical limits.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: ninjababez® on Oct 01, 2012 at 12:16 AM
pabiling popcorn.... :o  :o  :o
bakit anong papanoorin? :)
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: m35ius on Oct 16, 2012 at 05:40 AM
finally got the approval of my wife.

which will be an ideal set up from these selections?

yamaha a-s500 & polk rti a3 or monitor audio bx2
yamaha r-s700 & polk rti a3 or monitor audio bx2
marantz pm6004 & polk rti a3 or monitor audio bx2

thanks in advance!!!

Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: raider125jeigh on Oct 16, 2012 at 06:46 AM
finally got the approval of my wife.

which will be an ideal set up from these selections?

yamaha a-s500 & polk rti a3 or monster audio bx2
yamaha r-s700 & polk rti a3 or monster audio bx2
marantz pm6004 & polk rti a3 or monster audio bx2

thanks in advance!!!



audition the pairings and see what suits your ear
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: Timithekid on Oct 16, 2012 at 06:58 AM
finally got the approval of my wife.

which will be an ideal set up from these selections?

yamaha a-s500 & polk rti a3 or monster audio bx2
yamaha r-s700 & polk rti a3 or monster audio bx2
marantz pm6004 & polk rti a3 or monster audio bx2

thanks in advance!!!



1. ) What type of sound do you like? laid back? neutral? warm? if yes to either of the 3, you might not enjoy the RTi but if you want bright, slightly in your face type of sound, then the RTi ROCKS! :)
2.) Have you tried out any of the pairings?

Personally I like the yammy RTi pair. ::)  but thats me, its better if you try them out yourself.  ;) subok na sa mga suking tindahan...dami dyan na shop that is more than willing to set up an audition for you. Listening room, sights and sounds, avshop, sound and vision at marami pang iba! :)

enjoy the audition process...and let the headaches begin.... >:D
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: ♡ lvcdg23™ ✌ on Oct 16, 2012 at 08:21 AM
finally got the approval of my wife.

which will be an ideal set up from these selections?

yamaha a-s500 & polk rti a3 or monster audio bx2
yamaha r-s700 & polk rti a3 or monster audio bx2
marantz pm6004 & polk rti a3 or monster audio bx2

thanks in advance!!!

Sir congrats on your future set up...
Just a correction po, its monitor audio po not monster ;)

From your selection I think the Marantz and Rti A3 would blend well :)
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: ninjababez® on Oct 16, 2012 at 08:30 AM
Sir congrats on your future set up...
Just a correction po, its monitor audio po not monster ;)

From your selection I think the Marantz and Rti A3 would blend well :)
was about to ask kung knock off ba ng monitor audio yung monster audio, or kung gumagawa na ba ng speaker ang sikat na monster cable :D
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: ♡ lvcdg23™ ✌ on Oct 16, 2012 at 08:39 AM
was about to ask kung knock off ba ng monitor audio yung monster audio, or kung gumagawa na ba ng speaker ang sikat na monster cable :D

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Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: rthirtyfourgtr on Oct 16, 2012 at 09:00 AM
was about to ask kung knock off ba ng monitor audio yung monster audio, or kung gumagawa na ba ng speaker ang sikat na monster cable :D

they used to...

http://www.monstercable.com/lit/MANUL_THX_G1ls.pdf
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: m35ius on Oct 16, 2012 at 12:20 PM
thanks for all the replies...

@raider125jeigh: will definitely do that.

@Timithekid:
1. ) What type of sound do you like? laid back? neutral? warm? if yes to either of the 3, you might not enjoy the RTi but if you want bright, slightly in your face type of sound, then the RTi ROCKS! -Based from this I think I might like the Rti, pakinggan ko muna pareho para makapagdecide =)

2.) Have you tried out any of the pairings? Will try to do that this weekend. Dito kasi ako naka-base sa u.s. kaya halos lahat ng shops per appointment pa ang audition.


@Louie_18: thanks!
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: Timithekid on Oct 16, 2012 at 01:26 PM
aha! If you are in the u.s thats even better for you, your set up will be a lot cheaper!

Now that you mentioned bright, consider the klipsch reference series.  you might enjoy the horns. O0
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: raider125jeigh on Oct 16, 2012 at 01:35 PM
aha! If you are in the u.s thats even better for you, your set up will be a lot cheaper!

Now that you mentioned bright, consider the klipsch reference series.  you might enjoy the horns. O0

horns + tube = sweet
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: m35ius on Oct 16, 2012 at 10:12 PM
@Timithekid: thanks for the suggestion. any particular model from the klipsch reference series? i listen to music more than watching movies. sorry for the ot.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: Timithekid on Oct 16, 2012 at 10:26 PM
@Timithekid: thanks for the suggestion. any particular model from the klipsch reference series? i listen to music more than watching movies. sorry for the ot.

that will also depend on the amplifier sir, the higher end reference series are still very easy to drive but is of course at its best when powered properly. you can start with the 5 series and then work your way up depending on your taste, I have the RF 52 only because my power amp can maximize it, if i had a more powerful amp the 62 were available here in the Philippines I would have gone for those instead.  But if your preference is a bookshelf, try to find an RB - 81 II..you wont be disappointed. :)
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: m35ius on Oct 16, 2012 at 11:15 PM
@Timithekid: thanks for the quick responses. as much as i want to buy floorstanders our apartment is not suited to have that kind of speakers our neighbors might report us immediately once i use them hehehe!!! i'll stick with bookshelfs for now, so i'll audition the rb61 II this weekend with the yamaha/marantz amp and the rb-81 II is out of my budget range.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: ♡ lvcdg23™ ✌ on Oct 16, 2012 at 11:44 PM
@Timithekid: thanks for the quick responses. as much as i want to buy floorstanders our apartment is not suited to have that kind of speakers our neighbors might report us immediately once i use them hehehe!!! i'll stick with bookshelfs for now, so i'll audition the rb61 II this weekend with the yamaha/marantz amp and the rb-81 II is out of my budget range.

Check also Denon sir... I think it will blend well with Klipsch...
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: m35ius on Oct 17, 2012 at 12:32 AM
@ Louie_18: thanks will consider denon too.

now it's really starting to be difficult on what to buy hehehehe!!!

good thing there's pdvd =)
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: m35ius on Oct 17, 2012 at 12:46 AM
@Louie_18: any specific denon model in mind?
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: Timithekid on Oct 17, 2012 at 02:44 AM
1912 is good enough but if you want more power with the same features go 2312, that should suit your RB-61 II nicely. if you will add a power amp soon when you upgrade your speakers, get an AVR with preouts, the 3312 has that feature, and its also 7.2 capable.   ;)

Kung big time ka like King Louie...4311  >:D
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: m35ius on Oct 17, 2012 at 04:00 AM
@Timithekid: thanks for stating the models. baka mabig-time ako ni misis kapag yun ang binili ko hehehe!!!
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: Timithekid on Oct 17, 2012 at 04:59 AM
@Timithekid: thanks for stating the models. baka mabig-time ako ni misis kapag yun ang binili ko hehehe!!!

Happy to help bro, don't close your doors, you can try all sorts of AVR's. Onkyo is also pretty good too, and drives well for both HT and music aside from being value for money.  although even cnet has reported that it has some reliability issues.  Pioneer is bang for your buck too, and may elite series sila that can give onkyo,Denon, Marantz, Harman Kardon and Yamaha a run for their money. Good luck sa pagaudition bro, masaya na masakit sa ulo pero pagnabili mo na, sarap ng feeling...until makulam ka ng mga taga pinoydvd. Lol.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: m35ius on Oct 17, 2012 at 05:42 AM
@Timithekid: will keep all the things you said in mind. especially sa kulam hehehe!!! thanks!
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: Timithekid on Oct 17, 2012 at 11:37 AM
@Timithekid: thanks for stating the models. baka mabig-time ako ni misis kapag yun ang binili ko hehehe!!!

Pagkatapos mo bumili ng avr samahan mo si misis sa Coach or sa Kate Spade...kung 4311 katapat non LV na hehe...kailangan may suhol. Hahaha
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: oReOsHaKe on Oct 17, 2012 at 01:17 PM
OT:

How is Power Input or wattage for a particular receiver calculated?  Is it Wattage = Power consumption in amp x voltage?  For example, for the US version Onkyo 3010, power consumption is 11.0 A, thus Wattage = 11 x 120 v = 1,320 watts?  Masyado yata malaki...  :o
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: rthirtyfourgtr on Oct 17, 2012 at 01:52 PM
^ i believe it's better to post this question at the "Watts up with VA" thread...
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: m35ius on Oct 17, 2012 at 10:20 PM
@Timithekid: wahhh kailangan ko ng magtrabaho ng 7 days a week kung LV at 4311 hehehe!!! pero i learned my lesson before na di naman kailangan ng hi-end equipments para masatisfy ang viewing and listening pleasure ko. as long as you stick to your target budget and get the most out of it. para sa akin lang mas mararamdaman ko yung achievement nun at mas ok pa kapag maaapreciate ng iba yung setup mo within that specific budget, yung tipong magugulat sila na kapag sinabi mo yung total price nung setup =)
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: Timithekid on Oct 18, 2012 at 04:15 AM
@Timithekid: wahhh kailangan ko ng magtrabaho ng 7 days a week kung LV at 4311 hehehe!!! pero i learned my lesson before na di naman kailangan ng hi-end equipments para masatisfy ang viewing and listening pleasure ko. as long as you stick to your target budget and get the most out of it. para sa akin lang mas mararamdaman ko yung achievement nun at mas ok pa kapag maaapreciate ng iba yung setup mo within that specific budget, yung tipong magugulat sila na kapag sinabi mo yung total price nung setup =)

AGREE! wag ka lang papakulam sa pinoydvd! Lol trust me they are very convincing!:)
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: ninjababez® on Oct 18, 2012 at 04:41 AM
AGREE! wag ka lang papakulam sa pinoydvd! Lol trust me they are very convincing!:)
OT: sino pala nagkulam sayo dito classmate?
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: Timithekid on Oct 18, 2012 at 07:14 AM
OT: sino pala nagkulam sayo dito classmate?

Naku yung sakin backfire eh, kinulam ko kapatid ko, ako yung nakulam!hahaha...tapos nagawi sa gallery...ayun...SARS ang kasunod lol
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: seventhheaven on Oct 19, 2012 at 10:38 AM
help me buy my 1st ever receiver. I'm eyeing the Pioneer VSX922, Onkyo NR515 (hopefully the hdmi issues on the 2012 models were already fixed by the last fw update) or konting tiis at ipon pa para NR616 na.

Gusto ko paunti-unti muna so walang center, sub adn surrounds muna kase wala pa budget, LOL!. So I'm eyeing a pair of FS na rin (balak ko Wharfedale 9.6 paired sa Pio at Polk Tsi400 sa Onkyo).

Comments naman po sa balak ko. I need suggestions as well.

Thanks!



 
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: ♡ lvcdg23™ ✌ on Oct 19, 2012 at 10:49 AM
help me buy my 1st ever receiver. I'm eyeing the Pioneer VSX922, Onkyo NR515 (hopefully the hdmi issues on the 2012 models were already fixed by the last fw update) or konting tiis at ipon pa para NR616 na.

Gusto ko paunti-unti muna so walang center, sub adn surrounds muna kase wala pa budget, LOL!. So I'm eyeing a pair of FS na rin (balak ko Wharfedale 9.6 paired sa Pio at Polk Tsi400 sa Onkyo).

Comments naman po sa balak ko. I need suggestions as well.

Thanks!

How much po ba current budget nyo sir? :)
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: seventhheaven on Oct 19, 2012 at 11:11 AM
How much po ba current budget nyo sir? :)

35K max na siguro sir sa receiver na sana yung model is somehow medyo future proof if possible (at syempre reliable at walang problems sa service if it needs one in the future). Minsan nga naiisip ko na babaan ko na lang kaya budget ko to around 20K or less kase alam naman natin that the technology continues to evolve at parang hindi praktikal na mag-invest sa receiver (like a cellphone wherein every now and then, new models with more features are released regularly and before you know it the receiver model that you just bought is down to just 20% of its value) at mas maganda na mag-invest na lang sa speakers

 
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: Tempter on Oct 19, 2012 at 11:15 AM
35K max na siguro sir sa receiver na sana yung model is somehow medyo future proof if possible (at syempre reliable at walang problems sa service if it needs one in the future). Minsan nga naiisip ko na babaan ko na lang kaya budget ko to around 20K or less kase alam naman natin that the technology continues to evolve at parang hindi praktikal na mag-invest sa receiver (like a cellphone wherein every now and then, new models with more features are released regularly and before you know it the receiver model that you just bought is down to just 20% of its value) at mas maganda na mag-invest na lang sa speakers

 

There's no such thing as future proof AVR... ;D

Kung gusto mo "MEDYO" future proof, mag separates ka na lang. Mas malaki nga lang ang budget hehe! Saka yung term na "FUTURE PROOF" ay subjective. Lalo na kung madalas ka dito sa PDVD, eh walang meaning ang FUTURE PROOF. :D
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: ♡ lvcdg23™ ✌ on Oct 19, 2012 at 11:46 AM
35K max na siguro sir sa receiver na sana yung model is somehow medyo future proof if possible (at syempre reliable at walang problems sa service if it needs one in the future). Minsan nga naiisip ko na babaan ko na lang kaya budget ko to around 20K or less kase alam naman natin that the technology continues to evolve at parang hindi praktikal na mag-invest sa receiver (like a cellphone wherein every now and then, new models with more features are released regularly and before you know it the receiver model that you just bought is down to just 20% of its value) at mas maganda na mag-invest na lang sa speakers

For a 35K budget sa receiver you might want to consider a second hand/slightly used Onkyo 809 or Denon 3312. I know someone who is thinking of selling his Onkyo 809 which is in mint condition. For starters "Future Proof" na yang Onkyo 809 because it has sufficient power to drive entry level to mid floorstanders and also has pre-outs if you would want to get external power amps in the future.

Sa speakers naman audition mo muna the likes of Polk Audio, Paradigm, PSB, B&W, Mission, Klipsch. May mga series yang mga yan na budget friendly :)
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: Tavus on Oct 19, 2012 at 12:33 PM
i would recommend the denon 3312 for its better reliability.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: Timithekid on Oct 19, 2012 at 03:30 PM
i would recommend the denon 3312 for its better reliability.

Kulang pa 35k sa 3312...
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: Tavus on Oct 19, 2012 at 03:52 PM
Louie says you can get a used one for that price.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: Timithekid on Oct 19, 2012 at 03:55 PM
Louie says you can get a used one for that price.

Oh, my bad, kala ko yung 809 lang yng avail at that price...7 series for the onkyo has pre outs too, baka maka mura si seventhheaven
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: elim on Oct 19, 2012 at 04:58 PM
meron ako bro bnew 709 at 32k or you can get my personal unit around 2 months used at 26k (shameless plug)  :-[ both 110v. Thinking of upgrading eh hehe
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: seventhheaven on Oct 21, 2012 at 10:43 AM
thanks for the input sirs.

meron ako bro bnew 709 at 32k or you can get my personal unit around 2 months used at 26k (shameless plug)  :-[ both 110v. Thinking of upgrading eh hehe

this is tempting. I hope this is still available by December (13th month + bonus time! hehehe)
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: m35ius on Oct 23, 2012 at 11:33 PM
hi someone's selling me his marantz sr7500. is this model good for music or for movies only?
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: Nelson de Leon on Oct 24, 2012 at 07:47 AM
hi someone's selling me his marantz sr7500. is this model good for music or for movies only?

Receiver yan sir. Most receivers are good for movies. Secondary lang palagi ang music. pero knowing Marantz, i'm sure you'll be satisfied with music as well.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: m35ius on Oct 24, 2012 at 10:35 PM
Receiver yan sir. Most receivers are good for movies. Secondary lang palagi ang music. pero knowing Marantz, i'm sure you'll be satisfied with music as well.

ok thank you sir! audition ko muna since ok naman kausap yung seller at may money back guarantee kapag di ko daw nagustuhan. at ang laki pala nitong SR7500 =)
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: titor on Oct 26, 2012 at 12:24 PM
Good day.

I need your opinions on an entry level receiver. I'm currenly using a Samsung HTIB that needs upgrading. And I just want to experience a poor man's home theater experience that would not cause too much trouble with the neighbors.  >:D This will be used for Movies and Ps3 only. I will be sourcing this in the states since the mother in law sends balikbayan boxes with mostly un-usable stuff i'll just fill one with my toys.

Onkyo 414
Yamaha 373
Pioneer 822

to be paired with either of these speakers

Definitive Technology ProCinema 60
Polk Audio RM6750
Energy Take 5.1

Appreciate the help.

Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: raider125jeigh on Oct 26, 2012 at 12:31 PM
onkyo 509 and 609 will do
or kung budget receiver talaga
pio 521 at 10k nalang ata...thanks
or better get mid to highend receiver sa MP..
maingat sa gamit mga members dito nag popogi pa... >:D
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: titor on Oct 26, 2012 at 01:07 PM
onkyo 509 and 609 will do
or kung budget receiver talaga
pio 521 at 10k nalang ata...thanks
or better get mid to highend receiver sa MP..
maingat sa gamit mga members dito nag popogi pa... >:D

I'm a little bit skeptical about Onkyo having read the firmware issues from the reviews and as mentioned I'll be sourcing this in the US so its a little bit scary. Black Friday is just around the corner so if there are mid-high end on sale I might get it. i'll only be needing 5.1 because of space constraints.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: Timithekid on Oct 26, 2012 at 02:58 PM
I'm a little bit skeptical about Onkyo having read the firmware issues from the reviews and as mentioned I'll be sourcing this in the US so its a little bit scary. Black Friday is just around the corner so if there are mid-high end on sale I might get it. i'll only be needing 5.1 because of space constraints.

You can try denon too, or marantz.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: elim on Nov 06, 2012 at 09:51 AM
The 09 series of onkyo already had most of their bugs fixed already.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: defined on Nov 11, 2012 at 04:30 PM
Gudpm...question lang po..ano po mga guideline in adjusting the channel level of speaker in receiver?ano po ba safe level?thx po...
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: Nelson de Leon on Nov 11, 2012 at 06:16 PM
Gudpm...question lang po..ano po mga guideline in adjusting the channel level of speaker in receiver?ano po ba safe level?thx po...

Basically there should all have the same SPL. However, i prefer the center channel slightly louder than the rest of the speakers (excluding sub).
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: rochie on Nov 11, 2012 at 06:48 PM
Gudpm...question lang po..ano po mga guideline in adjusting the channel level of speaker in receiver?ano po ba safe level?thx po...
wala po ba auto calibration yung receiver nyo?kung meron gamitin nyo po iyon para receiver na mag set pero kung wala ehh mano mano nyo po adjust per channel depende sa preference nyo.sa pioneer ko manual ko din tinaas ng mga 2db center channel yun kasi preference ko
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: defined on Nov 11, 2012 at 06:49 PM
ok...sir pede ko po siya iaadjust at any level without damaging the speaker?meron po bang recommnded level...hmm mahina po kasi yun center pag stereo yun source ng audio especially when i shift the settings to dolby movie..i plan on adjusting it....and sir another question..when adjusting the volume...mas safe po kung  sa receiver lang me mag aadjust..thank you..
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: defined on Nov 11, 2012 at 06:50 PM
meron naman po kaso di me nagandahan sa result eh kaya try ko mag manual
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: derick7210 on Nov 13, 2012 at 02:21 AM
gud day to all, can i use my 5.1 receiver to connect with my power amplifier thanks....
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: Timithekid on Nov 13, 2012 at 03:37 AM
gud day to all, can i use my 5.1 receiver to connect with my power amplifier thanks....

if it has preouts or if you have an LOC
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: raider125jeigh on Nov 13, 2012 at 06:07 AM
ok...sir pede ko po siya iaadjust at any level without damaging the speaker?meron po bang recommnded level...hmm mahina po kasi yun center pag stereo yun source ng audio especially when i shift the settings to dolby movie..i plan on adjusting it....and sir another question..when adjusting the volume...mas safe po kung  sa receiver lang me mag aadjust..thank you..

center speaker before and currently when i run aud or mcacc
FR always -3 to -5 as well as center
so diskarte ko lage e 0db ung center

mas gusto talaga natin lahat sa movies clear and vocal
set mo sa 60hz ung center mo
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: Nelson de Leon on Nov 13, 2012 at 11:21 AM
ok...sir pede ko po siya iaadjust at any level without damaging the speaker?

Yes. Preference mo. Pero while playing, you still need to adjust the main volume para hindi magclip ang amp/speaker.

meron po bang recommnded level...

Recommended level is equal SPL (loudness or lakas or volume) lahat ng channels.

hmm mahina po kasi yun center pag stereo yun source ng audio

Normal kasi stereo is 2 channel output lang, left and right. Baka nag prologic yun center mo to provide small amount of center sound.

especially when i shift the settings to dolby movie..i plan on adjusting it....and sir another question..when adjusting the volume...mas safe po kung  sa receiver lang me mag aadjust..thank you..

Yes. Normally, sa receiver lang talaga nag-aadjust.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: defined on Nov 13, 2012 at 05:24 PM
@Nelson de Leon...salamat sir...medyo masakit lang sa mata yun font hehe...

@raider125jeigh...Sir san po options sa receiver iset yun 60hz sa center?... -3 to -5 db?di ba po mas hihina pag negative ang settings?thx
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: Nelson de Leon on Nov 13, 2012 at 06:12 PM
@Nelson de Leon...salamat sir...medyo masakit lang sa mata yun font hehe...

@raider125jeigh...Sir san po options sa receiver iset yun 60hz sa center?... -3 to -5 db?di ba po mas hihina pag negative ang settings?thx

haha! Apologies for the font. Black kasi ang background natin so i had to choose a light color next to white.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: mbtorn on Nov 15, 2012 at 02:38 PM
haha! Apologies for the font. Black kasi ang background natin so i had to choose a light color next to white.

encrypted message yata ni Sir Nelson yun. Just place the cursor on the those yellow lines and then drag to highlight, now you will be able to read them clearly. ;D
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: Randy1981 on Nov 26, 2012 at 09:44 PM
Please help newbie here.i have yamaha receiver model rx-v 373 but i cant decide kung ano partner ko na speakers more on movies. Im planing for polk tsi300/cs10 and pws111 or wharf. 10.1 or 10.4/cs.any suggestion will help a lot...thanks
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: Courage on Nov 28, 2012 at 06:42 PM
Please help newbie here.i have yamaha receiver model rx-v 373 but i cant decide kung ano partner ko na speakers more on movies. Im planing for polk tsi300/cs10 and pws111 or wharf. 10.1 or 10.4/cs.any suggestion will help a lot...thanks

I find Polk too bright for a Yamaha... Wharfedale and Yamaha are good combination i just dont know if it can drive nicely the Wharfs 10. You can also try the PSB Alpha series for your Yammy...
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: spot6 on Nov 30, 2012 at 02:53 PM
Newbie here, I've been reading around and zoning in on the following receivers but can't decide which one to get. Need your advise which one I should get and what brand speakers goes well with it. Planning to use it for purely watching movies.
 
Pioneer VSX-922
Yamaha RX-V673
Onkyo TX-NR616

Thanks for any inputs  :)
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: Courage on Nov 30, 2012 at 03:13 PM
Newbie here, I've been reading around and zoning in on the following receivers but can't decide which one to get. Need your advise which one I should get and what brand speakers goes well with it. Planning to use it for purely watching movies.
 
Pioneer VSX-922
Yamaha RX-V673
Onkyo TX-NR616

Thanks for any inputs  :)

I'll choose Yamaha

WHAT HI-FI's 2012 Product of the year
http://www.whathifi.com/review/yamaha-rx-v673

Pair it with PSB speakers and you're in heaven..

Ohhh i'm a Yamaha user as well with PSB Image speakers. Very happy with my setup..
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: Timithekid on Nov 30, 2012 at 03:15 PM
^whats your budget and preference? (Bright or warm or neutral) have you auditioned any brand?

Newbie here, I've been reading around and zoning in on the following receivers but can't decide which one to get. Need your advise which one I should get and what brand speakers goes well with it. Planning to use it for purely watching movies.
 
Pioneer VSX-922
Yamaha RX-V673
Onkyo TX-NR616

Thanks for any inputs  :)
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: raider125jeigh on Nov 30, 2012 at 04:54 PM
@Nelson de Leon...salamat sir...medyo masakit lang sa mata yun font hehe...

@raider125jeigh...Sir san po options sa receiver iset yun 60hz sa center?... -3 to -5 db?di ba po mas hihina pag negative ang settings?thx

depende sa receiver kung may option...ung iba kasi either 80hz or small and large lang...
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: spot6 on Nov 30, 2012 at 07:56 PM
@ Timithekid

The 3 receivers are within my budget naman and I'm ok with any of them. For speakers, was looking at around P30k budget for a 3.1 setup. 
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: Timithekid on Nov 30, 2012 at 08:24 PM
@ Timithekid

The 3 receivers are within my budget naman and I'm ok with any of them. For speakers, was looking at around P30k budget for a 3.1 setup. 

I would suggest that you audition polk audio, psb or wharfdale bookshelf speakers with that budget.  But you have to decide first which receiver you like because some pairings are better than others.  E.g. Pioneer or yamaha + wharf, onkyo + polk audio, yamaha + psb.  Those that i mentioned ade excellent pairs.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: spot6 on Dec 01, 2012 at 12:53 AM
I'll choose Yamaha

WHAT HI-FI's 2012 Product of the year
http://www.whathifi.com/review/yamaha-rx-v673

Pair it with PSB speakers and you're in heaven..

Ohhh i'm a Yamaha user as well with PSB Image speakers. Very happy with my setup..

Thanks Sir. Will surely look into that combi :)
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: spot6 on Dec 01, 2012 at 12:58 AM
I would suggest that you audition polk audio, psb or wharfdale bookshelf speakers with that budget.  But you have to decide first which receiver you like because some pairings are better than others.  E.g. Pioneer or yamaha + wharf, onkyo + polk audio, yamaha + psb.  Those that i mentioned ade excellent pairs.

Thank you Sir for the tip. I'm still kinda lost on which receiver to get. All of them got great reviews and landing best receiver on some reviews so I'm lost which one to get. Given that the main use would be to watch movies, which do you think is the best fit?
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: noelbantoc on Dec 01, 2012 at 06:33 PM
wala po ba auto calibration yung receiver nyo?kung meron gamitin nyo po iyon para receiver na mag set pero kung wala ehh mano mano nyo po adjust per channel depende sa preference nyo.sa pioneer ko manual ko din tinaas ng mga 2db center channel yun kasi preference ko

ah ganun po ba check po natin
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: justincaps on Dec 01, 2012 at 11:11 PM
Is Onkyo TX-NR609 a good A/V receiver? I auditioned one a while ago at Sights & Sounds Shang. It's paired to a nice set of Polk Audio speakers.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: Tavus on Dec 01, 2012 at 11:28 PM
the pioneer 922 isn't even the same level class as the yamaha 673 or the onkyo 616. It would be the pioneer 1022 that's closer to those two.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: hakudaten on Dec 06, 2012 at 02:14 PM
Was Zenon a good AV Receiver too for beginners?
Title: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: tonetagabaler on Dec 07, 2012 at 09:21 PM
Mga Sir query lang po ulit. Torn betwen onkyo 1009 and marantz 7005. Consider both avr have the same price and condition. I only need 7.2 channel. Will run b&w 685 theater setup. Room is 20sqm. Which would you choose? Thank you. :-)
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: Timithekid on Dec 08, 2012 at 07:38 AM
Marantz is said to be more musical, so if used for both HT and music, the marantz will have an edge when used for audio.  When used for HT its at par with the onkyo.  MArantz though has been known to partner B&W really well.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: raider125jeigh on Dec 08, 2012 at 07:41 AM
Mga Sir query lang po ulit. Torn betwen onkyo 1009 and marantz 7005. Consider both avr have the same price and condition. I only need 7.2 channel. Will run b&w 685 theater setup. Room is 20sqm. Which would you choose? Thank you. :-)

ill go with marantz
marantz plus bw 685 = smile
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: bportanez on Dec 08, 2012 at 11:11 AM
Anyone here knows where i can buy Onkyo receivers, specifically TX-SR313

Thanks!
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: ♡ lvcdg23™ ✌ on Dec 08, 2012 at 11:49 PM
Anyone here knows where i can buy Onkyo receivers, specifically TX-SR313

Thanks!

Inquire ka kay avshop, E-Reply and Otep_32
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: eroxa on Dec 09, 2012 at 12:33 PM
Hello,
I am a newbie.  I am looking for a decent audio-video receiver with a complete speaker system (including sub). My room is 15 square meters and my budget is around 30-40K to set-up my entertainment system.
What in my mind initially are...
> Yamaha VX-371 or VX-471 and mordaunt short speaker pkg combination.
> Onkyo TX-NR414 and wharfdale speaker system combination
Really appreciate any inputs that would fit to my 30-40K budget which can still be a good entertainment package (audio & video) in my 15 sq.mtr room.
Rgds
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: off on Dec 15, 2012 at 03:42 AM
Goodam mga sir. Wifey has decided to buy me a gift. Magturo lang daw ako. Woohoo I've been good this year.  ;D
I'm looking at Marantz SR7007 or Yamaha RX-A1010
My current setup:
Receiver: Yamaha RXV671
Fronts: Maurdaunt Short Mezzo 8
Center: Maurdaunt Short Aviano 5 (will be replaced w/ Mezzo 5)
Surround: Maurdaunt Short Carnival 6 (any replacement suggestions?)
Sub: SVS PB12NSD
Any suggestions po mga sir, even outside my choices ok lang.. Gusto ko lang talaga sulitin itong sumpong ni misis.. Thanks and more power!
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: Stagea on Dec 15, 2012 at 05:54 AM
Goodam mga sir. Wifey has decided to buy me a gift. Magturo lang daw ako. Woohoo I've been good this year.  ;D
I'm looking at Marantz SR7007 or Yamaha RX-A1010
My current setup:
Receiver: Yamaha RXV671
Fronts: Maurdaunt Short Mezzo 8
Center: Maurdaunt Short Aviano 5 (will be replaced w/ Mezzo 5)
Surround: Maurdaunt Short Carnival 6 (any replacement suggestions?)
Sub: SVS PB12NSD
Any suggestions po mga sir, even outside my choices ok lang.. Gusto ko lang talaga sulitin itong sumpong ni misis.. Thanks and more power!

For surrounds, Mezzo 1 or Mezzo 2 should work just fine. If you like the sound of your speakers with your RX-V671, then it might be worthwhile to go for a higher model Yamaha. Otherwise, the SR7007 could definitely be considered.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: off on Dec 15, 2012 at 02:07 PM
Thanks Stagea.. Actually, I posted the wrong Receiver, I have a Yamaha RXV567. So I guess, it's a big step up for the upgrade.. Again thanks for the input, I appreciate it..
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: noelbantoc on Dec 15, 2012 at 02:41 PM
Goodam mga sir. Wifey has decided to buy me a gift. Magturo lang daw ako. Woohoo I've been good this year.  ;D
I'm looking at Marantz SR7007 or Yamaha RX-A1010
My current setup:
Receiver: Yamaha RXV671
Fronts: Maurdaunt Short Mezzo 8
Center: Maurdaunt Short Aviano 5 (will be replaced w/ Mezzo 5)
Surround: Maurdaunt Short Carnival 6 (any replacement suggestions?)
Sub: SVS PB12NSD
Any suggestions po mga sir, even outside my choices ok lang.. Gusto ko lang talaga sulitin itong sumpong ni misis.. Thanks and more power!

try Anthem MRX500 if you like sir meron kami sa store at Audible Illusions (50D Timog QC)
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: off on Dec 15, 2012 at 07:18 PM
try Anthem MRX500 if you like sir meron kami sa store at Audible Illusions (50D Timog QC)

Thanks sir, I may drop by soon as I'm near ur shop.. I've read good things about MRX500, and looking forward for an audition..
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: stevesonk on Jan 05, 2013 at 05:28 PM
Goodam mga sir. Wifey has decided to buy me a gift. Magturo lang daw ako. Woohoo I've been good this year.  ;D
I'm looking at Marantz SR7007 or Yamaha RX-A1010
My current setup:
Receiver: Yamaha RXV671
Fronts: Maurdaunt Short Mezzo 8
Center: Maurdaunt Short Aviano 5 (will be replaced w/ Mezzo 5)
Surround: Maurdaunt Short Carnival 6 (any replacement suggestions?)
Sub: SVS PB12NSD
Any suggestions po mga sir, even outside my choices ok lang.. Gusto ko lang talaga sulitin itong sumpong ni misis.. Thanks and more power!
dagdagan mo ng emotiva xpa-5...!!!
kapag ayaw, swap mo misis mo ^_^
ehehehe joke lng po ^_^
nice setup you have there  ^_^
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: freeks on Jan 12, 2013 at 07:23 PM
Hey guys,

Got a question, that I couldn't figure out by researching on the internet. Here's the details.

I have an external power amplifier and have a 2.0 speakers attached to it. Now I want to buy an AV Receiver so that I can play some HD movies on HT setup but I want to keep the ext. power amp + 2.0 speaker set-up for audio listening.

What kind of receiver should I get so that I can switch between HD watching and audio listening. Based on my research there are two ways to achieve this with an AVR, an AVR with a Zone2 out or Pre-Outs, but what I can't figure out is the difference between zone2 and pre-outs because theoretically they both achieved the same results driving a separate 2.0 speaker? or am I wrong?

Thanks

Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: Timithekid on Jan 12, 2013 at 07:30 PM
Hey guys,

Got a question, that I couldn't figure out by researching on the internet. Here's the details.

I have an external power amplifier and have a 2.0 speakers attached to it. Now I want to buy an AV Receiver so that I can play some HD movies on HT setup but I want to keep the ext. power amp + 2.0 speaker set-up for audio listening.

What kind of receiver should I get so that I can switch between HD watching and audio listening. Based on my research there are two ways to achieve this with an AVR, an AVR with a Zone2 out or Pre-Outs, but what I can't figure out is the difference between zone2 and pre-outs because theoretically they both achieved the same results driving a separate 2.0 speaker? or am I wrong?

Thanks



Sir if i understand your situation correctly, the only way you can use the power amp is if your avr has a pre-out, the zone 2 if i am not mistaken is still directly connected to your avr and not through your power amp.

Pero teka lang, yung power amp nyo po ba may volume control? If yes amp switcher po kailangan ninyo.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: dodie on Jan 12, 2013 at 07:36 PM
Hey guys,

Got a question, that I couldn't figure out by researching on the internet. Here's the details.

I have an external power amplifier and have a 2.0 speakers attached to it. Now I want to buy an AV Receiver so that I can play some HD movies on HT setup but I want to keep the ext. power amp + 2.0 speaker set-up for audio listening.

What kind of receiver should I get so that I can switch between HD watching and audio listening. Based on my research there are two ways to achieve this with an AVR, an AVR with a Zone2 out or Pre-Outs, but what I can't figure out is the difference between zone2 and pre-outs because theoretically they both achieved the same results driving a separate 2.0 speaker? or am I wrong?

Thanks



amp swithcher boss pwede na, kht ang bilhin mo yung receiver na walang preout. :) o if you like na may preout, sa onkyo it starts with 709 up :)
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: ♡ lvcdg23™ ✌ on Jan 12, 2013 at 07:43 PM
Hey guys,

Got a question, that I couldn't figure out by researching on the internet. Here's the details.

I have an external power amplifier and have a 2.0 speakers attached to it. Now I want to buy an AV Receiver so that I can play some HD movies on HT setup but I want to keep the ext. power amp + 2.0 speaker set-up for audio listening.

What kind of receiver should I get so that I can switch between HD watching and audio listening. Based on my research there are two ways to achieve this with an AVR, an AVR with a Zone2 out or Pre-Outs, but what I can't figure out is the difference between zone2 and pre-outs because theoretically they both achieved the same results driving a separate 2.0 speaker? or am I wrong?

Thanks



Are you going to use the same 2.0 speakers for HT and audio purposes?
May preamp kaba kapartner nung ext. power amp or are you going to use your future AVR as preamp?
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: freeks on Jan 12, 2013 at 08:12 PM
Sir if i understand your situation correctly, the only way you can use the power amp is if your avr has a pre-out, the zone 2 if i am not mistaken is still directly connected to your avr and not through your power amp.

Pero teka lang, yung power amp nyo po ba may volume control? If yes amp switcher po kailangan ninyo.

Yup. May volume control, my power amp is an old model Yamaha MX-1, pinaglumaan ng isang friend ko, binigay na lang sa akin. Hindi ako familiar sa amp switcher, what models and brands ang meron amp switcher?

Though may nakita ako sa mga manuals ng Yamaha na yun Zone2 outs naka kabit sa isa pang amp and doon naka-kabit yun separate 2.0 speakers.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: freeks on Jan 12, 2013 at 08:14 PM
Are you going to use the same 2.0 speakers for HT and audio purposes?
May preamp kaba kapartner nung ext. power amp or are you going to use your future AVR as preamp?

Yes, same 2.0 speakers for HT and Audio purposes. Planning on using the future AVR as preamp.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: ♡ lvcdg23™ ✌ on Jan 12, 2013 at 08:23 PM
Yes, same 2.0 speakers for HT and Audio purposes. Planning on using the future AVR as preamp.

Then ang kailangan nyo lang po is an AVR with multi-channel preouts. From the AVR left and right preout connect them to your ext power amp...
Not unless integrated amp po yung ext power amp nyo, thats when you need an amp switcher. You could contact sir marcrenz for that, nasa marketplace po yung ads nya...
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: Timithekid on Jan 12, 2013 at 08:36 PM
Then ang kailangan nyo lang po is an AVR with multi-channel preouts. From the AVR left and right preout connect them to your ext power amp...
Not unless integrated amp po yung ext power amp nyo, thats when you need an amp switcher. You could contact sir marcrenz for that, nasa marketplace po yung ads nya...

From the looks of it bro mukhang 2 channel integrated amp nga ata, kasi may volume control na eh so i have a feeling amp switcher ni markcrenz nga kailangan.

@TS - can you post pocs if your amp so that we can help further?
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: ♡ lvcdg23™ ✌ on Jan 12, 2013 at 09:19 PM
From the looks of it bro mukhang 2 channel integrated amp nga ata, kasi may volume control na eh so i have a feeling amp switcher ni markcrenz nga kailangan.

@TS - can you post pocs if your amp so that we can help further?

It seems nga na Int amp brader.

+1 sa pics sir freeks :)
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: Nelson de Leon on Jan 12, 2013 at 10:02 PM
It seems nga na Int amp brader.

+1 sa pics sir freeks :)

Looks like it's integrated because may volume control.

Hey guys,

Got a question, that I couldn't figure out by researching on the internet. Here's the details.

I have an external power amplifier and have a 2.0 speakers attached to it. Now I want to buy an AV Receiver so that I can play some HD movies on HT setup but I want to keep the ext. power amp + 2.0 speaker set-up for audio listening.

What kind of receiver should I get so that I can switch between HD watching and audio listening. Based on my research there are two ways to achieve this with an AVR, an AVR with a Zone2 out or Pre-Outs, but what I can't figure out is the difference between zone2 and pre-outs because theoretically they both achieved the same results driving a separate 2.0 speaker? or am I wrong?

Thanks

Do you also plan to use your 2.0 speakers for movie watching too?
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: freeks on Jan 12, 2013 at 10:47 PM
Looks like it's integrated because may volume control.

Do you also plan to use your 2.0 speakers for movie watching too?

here are the pics

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8500/8372394621_b976d94f83_o.jpg (http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8500/8372394621_b976d94f83_o.jpg)
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8502/8373462816_3c5116913b_o.jpg (http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8502/8373462816_3c5116913b_o.jpg)

Yes, but its gonna be part of a 5.1 system. Still have to buy the other 3 speakers though -_-
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: Courage on Jan 13, 2013 at 12:01 AM
here are the pics

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8500/8372394621_b976d94f83_o.jpg (http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8500/8372394621_b976d94f83_o.jpg)
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8502/8373462816_3c5116913b_o.jpg (http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8502/8373462816_3c5116913b_o.jpg)

Yes, but its gonna be part of a 5.1 system. Still have to buy the other 3 speakers though -_-

Power amp only and not integrated amp..

If you want to use it as part of ht and audio.. You can do two things..

Buy a receiver with no preouts but buy a switcher so you can switch between receiver and amp using one set of speakers(fronts)

Or buy a receiver with pre outs and connect it to the fronts left and right channel pre-outs.

Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: ♡ lvcdg23™ ✌ on Jan 13, 2013 at 12:26 AM
here are the pics

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8500/8372394621_b976d94f83_o.jpg (http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8500/8372394621_b976d94f83_o.jpg)
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8502/8373462816_3c5116913b_o.jpg (http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8502/8373462816_3c5116913b_o.jpg)

Yes, but its gonna be part of a 5.1 system. Still have to buy the other 3 speakers though -_-

+1 kay courage. Just like my previous Parasound power amp na may gain control sa likod.
Better to buy an AVR with multi-channel preouts.
And since Yamaha na cya, I suggest getting a Yamaha AVR also :)
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: Nelson de Leon on Jan 13, 2013 at 01:08 AM
here are the pics

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8500/8372394621_b976d94f83_o.jpg (http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8500/8372394621_b976d94f83_o.jpg)
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8502/8373462816_3c5116913b_o.jpg (http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8502/8373462816_3c5116913b_o.jpg)

Yes, but its gonna be part of a 5.1 system. Still have to buy the other 3 speakers though -_-

Power amp nga. try mo yun ginawa ni Timi. He used an LOC from Don King Markcrenz. Kumuha siya ng signal from the front speaker out ng receiver niya. Then connected it to the LOC to convert the amplified signal to line output, then to a power amp. You can still use your power amp as an amplifier for your fronts if you buy a receiver w/o preouts. Though, masmaganda talaga, get a receiver with preouts na if you have the budget.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: Stagea on Jan 13, 2013 at 06:40 AM
here are the pics

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8500/8372394621_b976d94f83_o.jpg (http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8500/8372394621_b976d94f83_o.jpg)
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8502/8373462816_3c5116913b_o.jpg (http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8502/8373462816_3c5116913b_o.jpg)

Yes, but its gonna be part of a 5.1 system. Still have to buy the other 3 speakers though -_-

Maganda yung dual mono amp na yan. Smooth with good dynamic headroom. I've had a good experience with the 230V version (from Yupangco pa that time). Kailangan lang ng maayos na partnering components.

The MX-D1 (MX-1's successor) was also the first Class D amp that I found subjectively good.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: Timithekid on Jan 13, 2013 at 07:40 AM
Ayun, nasagot na nila lahat ng option hehe.  It really is just a poweramp.  If you dont have a receiver yet, get one with preouts, if you have one already with no preout, get an LOC.  everything goes through your receiver, palit palit ka lang ng source and the speaker will play from whichever you choose.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: av_phile1 on Jan 13, 2013 at 11:36 AM
Take good care of your MX-1.  It's an excellent power amp rated at 100w RMS into 8 ohms with 0.008% THD and can support 2 ohm speaker loads to deliver 320 watts per channel with 0.09% THD  This is significantly a lot better specs than any HT receiver I know.  Even the Yamaha RX-V773 receiver's power amp section won't be able to hold a candle to your amp.  Its 8ohm power rating has a THD corresponding only to the 2 ohm THD of the MX-1.   

Anyway, I strongly suggest you get an AV receiver with per-outs to do justice to your exquisite power amp.  I would have suggested using the tape record out of an entry level receiver, but while this is fine for stereo music listening, the stereo record out might contain a mixed down 5.1 channel information which could mess up the surrounds when in multichannel mode for movies.

Consider getting a second hand 1-2 year old mid-end AV receiver model with pre-outs.  I'd recommend a Rotel or Marantz, followed by a Yamaha or Denon.


Just curious, what pre-amp are you using now for your stereo listening?  CX-1?
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: ATJr. on Jan 13, 2013 at 12:12 PM
Take good care of your MX-1.  It's an excellent power amp rated at 100w RMS into 8 ohms with 0.008% THD and can support 2 ohm speaker loads to deliver 320 watts per channel with 0.09% THD  This is significantly a lot better specs than any HT receiver I know.  Even the Yamaha RX-V773 receiver's power amp section won't be able to hold a candle to your amp.  Its 8ohm power rating has a THD corresponding only to the 2 ohm THD of the MX-1.   

Anyway, I strongly suggest you get an AV receiver with per-outs to do justice to your exquisite power amp.  I would have suggested using the tape record out of an entry level receiver, but while this is fine for stereo music listening, the stereo record out might contain a mixed down 5.1 channel information which could mess up the surrounds when in multichannel mode for movies.

Consider getting a second hand 1-2 year old mid-end AV receiver model with pre-outs.  I'd recommend a Rotel or Marantz, followed by a Yamaha or Denon.

Just curious, what pre-amp are you using now for your stereo listening?  CX-1?


i like amps that can do 2 ohm loads, it tells you that the amp is robust, and the fact that the maker claims 320watts at 2 ohms is excellent, with a perfect psu and an amp that can do 100 watts into 8ohms, can do 400 watts at 2 ohms, but who is to lose sleep over 80watts, not me..... ;D
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: freeks on Jan 13, 2013 at 07:06 PM

Just curious, what pre-amp are you using now for your stereo listening?  CX-1?


Currently don't have a set-up right now. I used to have an old pioneer amplifier, and I mean way old, and it just broke sometime ago. Just recently got that Yamaha MX-1 so I decided to build from scratch.

Thanks for all the advice guys, I can't quote all your post but really appreciate it.

Looks like I'll be going with the AVR option and not the LOC option. Though one question that still confuses me is the difference of pre-out and zone2 because looking for AVRs that can handle an ext. power amp, the mid end range only has a Zone2 outs and only the top of the line models have the pre-out option.

Technically they are doing the same function right? passing the audio signal to the power amp?

Like the Yamaha RX-V673 has Zone2 and in the manual it can be used to power another amplifier with a 2.0 setup in another room.

EDIT: Pic from the Manual

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8323/8376497368_282f978333_o.jpg)
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: av_phile1 on Jan 13, 2013 at 08:20 PM
Currently don't have a set-up right now. I used to have an old pioneer amplifier, and I mean way old, and it just broke sometime ago. Just recently got that Yamaha MX-1 so I decided to build from scratch.

Thanks for all the advice guys, I can't quote all your post but really appreciate it.

Looks like I'll be going with the AVR option and not the LOC option. Though one question that still confuses me is the difference of pre-out and zone2 because looking for AVRs that can handle an ext. power amp, the mid end range only has a Zone2 outs and only the top of the line models have the pre-out option.

Technically they are doing the same function right? passing the audio signal to the power amp?

Like the Yamaha RX-V673 has Zone2 and in the manual it can be used to power another amplifier with a 2.0 setup in another room.



Yes, a zone 2 pre-out would do the same job as a regular preout.  But I don't know if you can feed Zone 2 with the same source.  My understanding is that in a 5.1 receiver for instance, you can watch a 5.1 movie in your main room and have a CD or tuner connected to the same receiver be played in another room or Zone 2 by feeding a stereo power amp like your MX-1 from the receiver's Zone 2 pre-outs. I'm just not sure if you can feed Zone 2 with the same source you are listening to in your main room.  That way, you could use your MX-1 to power your front speakers and the receiver for the rest. Otherwise, you won't have a pair of fronts when watching a 5.1 movie.  You will need to attach another set of front speakers to your receiver. That is how I understood it from my old Onkyo reciever many years ago.  Perhaps the newer ones can feed the same source to a zone 2.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: Timithekid on Jan 13, 2013 at 08:31 PM
Currently don't have a set-up right now. I used to have an old pioneer amplifier, and I mean way old, and it just broke sometime ago. Just recently got that Yamaha MX-1 so I decided to build from scratch.

Thanks for all the advice guys, I can't quote all your post but really appreciate it.

Looks like I'll be going with the AVR option and not the LOC option. Though one question that still confuses me is the difference of pre-out and zone2 because looking for AVRs that can handle an ext. power amp, the mid end range only has a Zone2 outs and only the top of the line models have the pre-out option.

Technically they are doing the same function right? passing the audio signal to the power amp?

Like the Yamaha RX-V673 has Zone2 and in the manual it can be used to power another amplifier with a 2.0 setup in another room.

EDIT: Pic from the Manual

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8323/8376497368_282f978333_o.jpg)


Sir the yamaha 673 in particular has a zone 2 analog audio output that functions as a line out so with this receiver i believe its possible to use it with your power amplifier (provided it has its own volume control which i think your mx-1 does not have, what it has are gain controls at the back), but that would only be for zone 2.  And if im not mistaken zone 1 and 2 needs 2 different sets of speakers.

Lets wait for the more experienced users to chime in, i might be wrong.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: Nelson de Leon on Jan 14, 2013 at 12:21 AM
Nasa 2 volts ba ang mga zone 2 outputs ngayon?
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: Stagea on Jan 14, 2013 at 05:25 AM
Nasa 2 volts ba ang mga zone 2 outputs ngayon?

1.2V sinewave is typical, same as yung preouts ng AVR.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: av_phile1 on Jan 14, 2013 at 08:35 AM
Sir the yamaha 673 in particular has a zone 2 analog audio output that functions as a line out so with this receiver i believe its possible to use it with your power amplifier (provided it has its own volume control which i think your mx-1 does not have, what it has are gain controls at the back), but that would only be for zone 2.  And if im not mistaken zone 1 and 2 needs 2 different sets of speakers.

Lets wait for the more experienced users to chime in, i might be wrong.

Zone 2 etc does not require separate volume controls since you can control any of them from your reciever with this feature.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: Timithekid on Jan 14, 2013 at 09:06 AM
Zone 2 etc does not require separate volume controls since you can control any of them from your reciever with this feature.

Im aware of that fact actually, but his manual says otherwise so i just repeated it.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: av_phile1 on Jan 14, 2013 at 09:24 AM
In that case, then the Zone 2 of his receiver is not a pre-out but a line-out.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: Timithekid on Jan 14, 2013 at 10:31 AM
Yes, if you read back what you quoted, i believe i mentioned that.

Sir the yamaha 673 in particular has a zone 2 analog audio output that functions as a line out so with this receiver i believe its possible to use it with your power amplifier (provided it has its own volume control which i think your mx-1 does not have, what it has are gain controls at the back), but that would only be for zone 2.  And if im not mistaken zone 1 and 2 needs 2 different sets of speakers.

Lets wait for the more experienced users to chime in, i might be wrong.

Zone 2 etc does not require separate volume controls since you can control any of them from your reciever with this feature.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: av_phile1 on Jan 14, 2013 at 11:28 AM
Yes, I overlooked the manual posted earlier that said it needed an amplifier with volume control.  The Zone 2 etc implementations I know don't.   They either harness unused channels in a multichannel receiver or use pre-outs.  This is the first time I encountered a Zone 2 etc implementation using line outs. This must be the trend these days. Thanks for pointing that out.



Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: Timithekid on Jan 14, 2013 at 11:49 AM
Yes, I overlooked the manual posted earlier that said it needed an amplifier with volume control.  The Zone 2 etc implementations I know don't.   They either harness unused channels in a multichannel receiver or use pre-outs.  This is the first time I encountered a Zone 2 etc implementation using line outs. This must be the trend these days. Thanks for point that out.


I made the same mistake myself, first time ive read about a receiver with such a feature.  Come to think of it, you are right, the 673 if im not mistaken is a 2012 release so it must be a new trend.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: markcrenz on Jan 14, 2013 at 12:25 PM
afaik even with the latest receivers zone 2 will not output the same audio as the main zone in normal configuration. but you can connect the front pre-outs to an analog input, select that input for zone 2, connect the zone 2 pre-out to an amp that drives the front speakers. i even used the zone2 amps to drive 2 passive subs. i used an rca splitter and connected one end to the sub pre-out, the two ends to the tape inputs which i selected as zone 2, and finally the zone 2 amp outputs to the subs.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: renren on Jan 14, 2013 at 04:07 PM
hi guys , im a newbee in HT set up...i just want to upgrade my HT to a real HT with receiver ....is yamaha v373 receiver with speakers are going to be fine as a new HT? thanks pinoy dvd
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: av_phile1 on Jan 14, 2013 at 04:25 PM
afaik even with the latest receivers zone 2 will not output the same audio as the main zone in normal configuration.

Thought so too.  Ergo, the poster cannot use the Zone 2 driving his MX-1 with the same material as his main room.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: Timithekid on Jan 14, 2013 at 05:16 PM
hi guys , im a newbee in HT set up...i just want to upgrade my HT to a real HT with receiver ....is yamaha v373 receiver with speakers are going to be fine as a new HT? thanks pinoy dvd

That will depend on what speaker you will match it with, more often than not people build around the speakers and not the avr.  Have you auditioned any set? Your budget will also play a buge role.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: [dcw]aaron on Jan 14, 2013 at 07:59 PM
if i plan on using wharfes (diamond 10s/100s), can you guys suggest a good model of avrs (pio or yammy) as i've read that these ones are ok with the wharfes. budget will prolly be ~25k.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: freeks on Jan 15, 2013 at 05:46 PM
Thanks for all the answers. Looks like I have to get an AVR with a pre-out.

Though just asking what is the difference of line-out vs pre-out?

Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: Timithekid on Jan 15, 2013 at 05:54 PM
Thanks for all the answers. Looks like I have to get an AVR with a pre-out.

Though just asking what is the difference of line-out vs pre-out?



With the little that i know, i believe line outs do not have variable volume control which is why the 673 needs an amp with volume control, whereas with a preout your avr still has control.  Markcrenz already chimed in sa discussion, malayo pong mas alam ni mark ang sagot dyan so kung ano sabihin nya i'll defer to it.  Pm nyo po, baka mas mabilis masagot ni sir mark.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: ProtegeManiac on Jan 16, 2013 at 03:50 AM
Hi guys, about to "graduate" from stereo to HT surround. My brother is shipping me his gaming PC rig through a balikbayan box,1 so I casually mentioned I might do a surround sound set-up for it given I'm for the most part satisfied with my 2.0 set-up by now. At that point he volunteered a few Amazon/Visa gift cards left over from Christmas and from clients throughout the year to get me an A/V receiver, just to get me started before they end up panic-buying(swapping) restaurant gift cards just before they expire,2 and I've so far narrowed down my choice to the following:


TX-SR313, $199
Pros : Real cheap - I think it can read audio formats I'm likely to find on movie copies I'll get on current HD format
Cons : Only $30+$25 more for all those features on the NR414, cheap spring clips

TX-NR414, $229+$25 USB dongle
Pros : Network capabilities, Android (have an S3) and iOS (also an iPad2) remote
Cons : All those firmware and HDMI board issues discussed on threads that came up after using Google

TX-NR509, $255+$25 USB dongle
Pros : Network capabilities, Android and iOS remote, no mention of the same issues on the 2012 models
Cons : Features/specs-wise looks like the older version of the NR414, for $25 more

AVR-1513, $250
Pros : Discrete amplifier design (more on this below)
Cons : Cheap spring clips, no network/remote apps but might not be that important


Usage, by from highest to lowest in terms of...
i. Time to be spent doing, hypothetically : 40% Games3 ; 30% Movies4 ; 25% concerts and TV series (on DVD/BR/digital download), 5% background music5
ii. Importance : 40% Movies, 40% concerts, 20% Games - I'm less likely to nitpick about sound when of thundering sound of cavalry when I'm more worried about it coming from behind or heading for my flanks, which I think even a motherboard soundcard can produce spatially, if not tonally full


Notes

1. Amplifier design : Is "discrete amplifier" and "WRAT" all that different? One's a topology, but given how good gain clone speaker amps are and my current main system's headphone amp uses Class A-biased LM6171's and it's quiet, transparent and dynamic - with later amps still suing the same basic design with different opamps - I can't discriminate based on topology alone. The other basically means "high current." Either way - doesn't the Onkyo use a 'discrete amp' too? Conversely, if it doesn't, would this particular discrete design, if at least in theory, trump WRAT for dynamic sound?

Reviews (not all comparisons) I found off Google that talk about any variances in driving capability aren't any more informative than the marketing fluff. I can't find them now but some said Denon for movies, Onkyo for music but thin and lacked dynamics in movies (but some refer to other models, so it gets even more confusing).

2. Speaker matching : Although I won't be spending any more on my 2ch rig for a while I'd still rather not blow a lot of cash on this. Anyone encounter any issues with these or comparable older models driving Wharfedale Diamonds? Looking into getting a used set of Diamond 9 or 10 - not necessarily dipoles at the rears, more important is to have the mains with matched centers (and matched color). Sub will follow much later, might customize it.

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So basically, is there reason to suppose the Denon would be noticeably better (or looking at it another way, would the Onkyo be audibly worse) driving Wharfedale Diamonds or similar speakers playing music/concerts, and is it enough to overlook the spring clips and lack of network capabilities?

And given I'm only starting in HT, despite all these years in 2ch audio - am I not putting any attention into other details, like signal processing and compatibility with current formats, etc? I expect newer ones to come out, but I'd at least like to keep the receiver for as long as possible barring 1) equipment failure or 2) compatible formats are no longer available.



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1He's done this twice before as they're near impossible to sell in the US if you don't trust Craigslist, and save for the gfx card and CPU cooler coming off one of them, they all got here fine - he's since learned to stuff pack the gfx card and CPU cooler separately
2So basically let's do away with 110v vs 220v or local warranty vs cheap abroad replies; I live alone and there's no way anyone's plugging it in without me, nor would warranty be absolutely important given I'm getting it free and only n this way
3Mostly Total War series, RTS where I think surround might if not enhance gaming performance, enhance the experience; but some action, FPS, sports and racing sometimes
4Mostly action/epic
5No need for Zone 2, I can leave the door open ; remote apps a nice bonus though[/i
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: Stagea on Jan 16, 2013 at 04:33 AM
1. Amplifier design : Is "discrete amplifier" and "WRAT" all that different? One's a topology, but given how good gain clone speaker amps are and my current main system's headphone amp uses Class A-biased LM6171's and it's quiet, transparent and dynamic - with later amps still suing the same basic design with different opamps - I can't discriminate based on topology alone. The other basically means "high current." Either way - doesn't the Onkyo use a 'discrete amp' too? Conversely, if it doesn't, would this particular discrete design, if at least in theory, trump WRAT for dynamic sound?

2012 Onkyo AVRs also use discrete component output stages for the entire lineup. Older entry level models used chip amps.

Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: ProtegeManiac on Jan 16, 2013 at 04:37 PM
2012 Onkyo AVRs also use discrete component output stages for the entire lineup. Older entry level models used chip amps.

So the amplifier in the NR509 and NR414 are different designs, despite similar ratings? Or by "entry level" it's just the SR3xx's?

Either way, for around $250 - 1513 with no network capabilities, or the NR414+USB dongle? I can live without network more than I can live with lackluster live music SQ, I'm just not sure if the amp in one would actually trump the other given the speakers I plan to use. I know, this would be easier if I just listened, but I'm not buying the receiver here and I don't have the speakers yet (and I can't seem to find a store that has both receivers AND the Diamond series).
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: mugen394 on Apr 25, 2013 at 12:12 AM
hi guys, need your help, my dad is giving me his old jamo s406 hcs ht speakers, but don't know which avr is best, im choosing between this yamaha rx-673 or pioneer vsx-922, or if you have any recommendations, my budget is 30K below.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: Nelson de Leon on Apr 25, 2013 at 02:45 AM
hi guys, need your help, my dad is giving me his old jamo s406 hcs ht speakers, but don't know which avr is best, im choosing between this yamaha rx-673 or pioneer vsx-922, or if you have any recommendations, my budget is 30K below.

With that budget, madami kang mabibili. Or you can try the marketplace for preowned mid-high level receivers. Get a powerful receiver in terms of RMS with auto calibration (5 bands at least) for ease of tuning. there's a bnew US model pioneer being sold. I think it's a 1021 or 1022 (higher model than the 922 you mentioned) at less than P15t. You can save up for a sub kung bitin ka pa sa current sub included in your set.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: Philander on Apr 25, 2013 at 12:58 PM
So the amplifier in the NR509 and NR414 are different designs, despite similar ratings? Or by "entry level" it's just the SR3xx's?

Either way, for around $250 - 1513 with no network capabilities, or the NR414+USB dongle? I can live without network more than I can live with lackluster live music SQ, I'm just not sure if the amp in one would actually trump the other given the speakers I plan to use. I know, this would be easier if I just listened, but I'm not buying the receiver here and I don't have the speakers yet (and I can't seem to find a store that has both receivers AND the Diamond series).

I own Onkyo 313, and I can say it was indeed VERY luckluster in sound quality, I think all the Onkyo *1* (313, 414, 616 etc) will sound the same as they are using the same audio chipset/IC, only differs in amp power, connectivity/type and features.

Seriously, I dont recommend this Onkyo series.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: barny sumner on Apr 27, 2013 at 02:03 PM
Greetings guys!  :)

It is obvious logic to pair 5.1 speakers with a 5.1 receiver.
However, i have questions regarding driving 5.1 speakers with a 7.1 receiver:

1.) If the source being played is in 7.1 soundtrack, how does the receiver channel it through 5.1 speakers?

2.)  If the source being played is in 5.1 soundtrack, does the 7.1 receiver simply function like a 5.1 receiver?

And in the case of a 5.1 receiver driving 5.1 speakers, how are 7.1 soundtracks treated? Does the receiver simply discard the 2 excess channels from the soundtrack?


THANKS FOR YOUR TIME GUYS!  :-)

Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: pagalang on May 15, 2013 at 01:30 PM
I'm pretty sure this was tackled a few pages back but I just can't seem to find it.

Anyway, what are the distinct/general characteristics you would say of the following Receivers in terms of sound quality/tone?

Pioneer
Onkyo
Marantz
Denon

Looking to upgrade my old Onkyo and just can't decide which is better. Thanks peeps!!
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: Tavus on May 15, 2013 at 01:41 PM
marantz and denon units are practically the same there both now own by D&M Holdings, Your just paying for the badge, just read this from jdsmoothie post here:.
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1369576/marantz-or-denon (http://www.avsforum.com/t/1369576/marantz-or-denon)
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: yscko0917 on Aug 13, 2013 at 10:38 PM
kaya naba ng pioneer VSX522K ang Wharfedale Diamond 10.7?
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: rthirtyfourgtr on Aug 14, 2013 at 07:15 AM
kaya naba ng pioneer VSX522K ang Wharfedale Diamond 10.7?

as long as main listening position is not too far, and/or the room is not too big, and/or the listening loudness levels too high, it would work fine.

try to audition the combo first and see if you like the resulting sound. when doing so, try and see how high you can turn up the volume before you hear any sign of the receiver running out of headroom.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: egzbuen on Sep 10, 2013 at 05:17 PM
Guys, if you were on the look-out for two (2) receivers, both for HT. Budget is 6k-8k for one and 12k max for the other, what would you guys recommend? Pls suggest for both pre-owned and brand new at those price ranges, thanks guys.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: titor on Sep 11, 2013 at 02:29 PM
Guys, if you were on the look-out for two (2) receivers, both for HT. Budget is 6k-8k for one and 12k max for the other, what would you guys recommend? Pls suggest for both pre-owned and brand new at those price ranges, thanks guys.

Mahirap yang 6-8k na budget sir. If meron man yung mga old models na hindi pa HDMI out. for the 10- 12k you can get the pio 522, yamaha373 or the onkyo 313. All are entry levels. if you can stretch your budget to 15k may mahanap ka ng mid-high end na pre-owned. abang abang lang sa mp bilis mga tao dun.
Title: Re: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: Nelson de Leon on Sep 11, 2013 at 09:41 PM
Guys, if you were on the look-out for two (2) receivers, both for HT. Budget is 6k-8k for one and 12k max for the other, what would you guys recommend? Pls suggest for both pre-owned and brand new at those price ranges, thanks guys.

Eto:
http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php?topic=182443.0
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: markcrenz on Sep 11, 2013 at 09:56 PM
may makukuha ka siguro onkyo 606 for 9k and pioneer elite 40 for 12k. baka ibigay pa ng 19k for both.  ;)
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: egzbuen on Sep 20, 2013 at 06:02 PM
Whats the diff between the 522 and elite 40? Just 5.1 v. 7.1 ? Where can I see Elite 40 for 12k? What are the entry-level budget friendly 7.1 AVRs with hdmi inputs.

Thanks
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: -mhan- on Oct 03, 2013 at 05:41 PM
nabasa ko na lahat ng comments from page 1 at hanggang dito sa page na ito. ngunit naguguluhan parin ako. :P

itong nalalapit na november - december magbubuo ako ng HT/sound set up, ayun sa aking nabasa marami nagsasabi na unang bilhin ang recievers bago speakers.

itong setup na ito na gagamitin ko more on music, bale 65%music / 35%movies. anu marerecomend niyong AV Reciever sa budget na 20k-23k, and what particular brand/model.

MARANTZ
HK
ONKYO

DENON
YAMAHA
PIONEER

salamat PDVD ^-^
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: disturbed on Oct 03, 2013 at 06:01 PM
^ I think sir you need to set your budget na din for speakers..kasi when you audition you need to see what speakers will you be able to pair the receivers? kasya ba budget mo para sa kanila..if music > movies..I will go for marantz/HK then Denon..the last time I demoed AVRs was 2009 pa hehe..as far as I can recall mas musical yung HK vs Denon..but I need the Audyssey setup of Denon so I compromised a little bit..50 music 50 movies ako noon..but in the end 100% movies nangyari sa Denon lol..
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: TinkerTailor on Oct 03, 2013 at 09:30 PM
I'd choose HK for its sound character.

Why not try it the other way around? First choose the speaker that you like and then look for the amp that can best match your speaker choice. If it were me I would buy the best speaker I can afford and then slowly build my system around it.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: -mhan- on Oct 15, 2013 at 09:51 AM
malapit na ako mag decide sa mga recievers na ito

Harman Kardon AVR70 or AVR170
Marantz NR1403
Denon AVR1713

next speakers naman hahanapin ko.
ok ba ang POLK audio kung anu man sa tatlong yan ang kunin ko?
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: Jingo on Oct 20, 2013 at 09:37 PM
where can I find Sony receivers locally?
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: ravenjohn17232012 on Oct 20, 2013 at 11:41 PM
where can I find Sony receivers locally?
Can anyone help me choose av receiver with my 20k budget. im upgrading my HT.
alin ang mas maganda xenon o sakura?
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: ravenjohn17232012 on Oct 20, 2013 at 11:42 PM
mga sir alin ang mas maganda xeno amplifier o sakura?
Title: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: Jingo on Oct 21, 2013 at 07:30 AM

where can I find Sony receivers locally?

Do we have a local distributor? I find STR DN1040 interesting for its Wi-Fi Bluetooth functionality.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: markcrenz on Oct 21, 2013 at 08:49 AM
mga sir alin ang mas maganda xeno amplifier o sakura?
Wala pang decoders yan for the DD/DTS and higher formats. Consider getting Pioneer, Denon or Onkyo AV receivers for full multichannel capabilities.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: vandread21 on Nov 04, 2013 at 10:09 PM
Ok kaya ang Onkyo TX NR708? Any thoughts? Thanks
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: noelbantoc on Dec 13, 2013 at 02:40 PM
malapit na ako mag decide sa mga recievers na ito

Harman Kardon AVR70 or AVR170
Marantz NR1403
Denon AVR1713

next speakers naman hahanapin ko.
ok ba ang POLK audio kung anu man sa tatlong yan ang kunin ko?

Try of PSB Alpha Series then Match mo sir yung Denon AVR1713 or Marantz NR1403
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: -mhan- on Dec 13, 2013 at 03:20 PM
sir salamat po sa suggestion, nakakuha na po ako

DENON - DALI Zensor speakers >:D
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: stevesonk on Dec 13, 2013 at 03:22 PM
sir salamat po sa suggestion, nakakuha na po ako

DENON - DALI Zensor speakers >:D
congrats bro...   ;)
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: Nelson de Leon on Dec 14, 2013 at 02:17 PM
sir salamat po sa suggestion, nakakuha na po ako

DENON - DALI Zensor speakers >:D

Mukhang magandang combo yan. Kamusta ang SQ?
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: -mhan- on Dec 20, 2013 at 04:08 PM
Mukhang magandang combo yan. Kamusta ang SQ?

ok na ok sir para sa 1st timer, need ko lang room acoustic treatment :D

ipon ulit for sub. tiis muna sa 3.0 setup, ok pa naman sa pandinig ko kahit walang sub. O0
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: ashelyacts on Dec 22, 2013 at 01:57 AM
Can anyone suggest a good receiver or sound package for me? I am new at this and currently using a 32 inch akai tv and a cheap 2.1 dual woofer wow ozaki. The same one you see in celfon repairs in tiangge.

Im planning to build a home theater in a small sala of around 15 to 20 sq meters.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: Nelson de Leon on Dec 22, 2013 at 07:53 AM
budget?
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: ashelyacts on Dec 22, 2013 at 12:46 PM
Budget is 30k
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: javauser on Dec 23, 2013 at 07:53 AM
Budget is 30k

Try Yamaha RXV 673. What hiFi AVR of the Year 2012.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: yygoob on Dec 23, 2013 at 04:17 PM
wala atang nag rerecomend ng onkyo???
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: elim on Dec 23, 2013 at 04:25 PM
Onkyo 616, marantz sr5006 and for me at the price range sherbourn sr120 (If you don't use 3D). Im using one right now the SQ is comparable to my older onkyo 5008.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: egzbuen on Dec 29, 2013 at 12:25 PM
Decided to skip 5.1 since thats what I have now so what are the entry-level budget friendly 7.1 or 7.2 AVRs with hdmi inputs/output? Where can I go and buy?

Cheers
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: CMac on Dec 29, 2013 at 03:06 PM
Don't know particular models but you can try to find nice old mid level avrs with pre outs so you can add monster 5 channel power amps in the future.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: egzbuen on Jan 17, 2014 at 11:02 AM
Despite its age, would your still recommend the Marantz SR5003? I kinda like its specs ...

Thanks.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: avshop on Jan 29, 2014 at 09:51 AM
Despite its age, would your still recommend the Marantz SR5003? I kinda like its specs ...

Thanks.

better to go for the latest models. the sr5008 is very good. :)
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: totnakz_007 on Jan 30, 2014 at 03:15 AM
ano po pasok na budget sa 20k na AVR like denon,HK,onkyo,yamaha po... thanks
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: titor on Jan 30, 2014 at 08:06 AM
ano po pasok na budget sa 20k na AVR like denon,HK,onkyo,yamaha po... thanks

Yamaha 673
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: Capice on Feb 01, 2014 at 01:53 PM
Goodpm sirs, just a newbie in this forum and HT. Plan ko kasi gamitin ulit yung old HT namin. ampli,subs, and front speakers yung nabaha before. Center and rear surround is Polk audio. Then gamitin ko muna siguro as front yung old Bose surround speaker. I've been reading reviews for budget receivers, the Yamaha rx-v375 had a good review for a very cheap price. And the Sony str-dn840 has good features, but i read it has thin sounds. Which of these 2 would you guys suggest? or if any other brand that would be good for my setup. Budget would be around 15k. I could go beyong that for the sony if it really is that good. TIA!  :)
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: titor on Feb 01, 2014 at 02:15 PM
hanap ka sa mp natin bro. marami dyan. Not a lot of Sony users here though. Pioneer receivers are cheaper than Yamaha and other recievers. Check din if those bose will work since not all of them can be plugged to a normal receiver because of their propriety plugs. 
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: Capice on Feb 01, 2014 at 02:23 PM
hanap ka sa mp natin bro. marami dyan. Not a lot of Sony users here though. Pioneer receivers are cheaper than Yamaha and other recievers. Check din if those bose will work since not all of them can be plugged to a normal receiver because of their propriety plugs.

thanks sir! but i'm thinking of buying brand new para may warranty and may airplay na yung mga new models. Or is it much better if second hand nalang? hopefully the bose would work kasi sa dating setup ng dad ko front surround sya on a yamaha receiver.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: titor on Feb 01, 2014 at 02:33 PM
thanks sir! but i'm thinking of buying brand new para may warranty and may airplay na yung mga new models. Or is it much better if second hand nalang? hopefully the bose would work kasi sa dating setup ng dad ko front surround sya on a yamaha receiver.

If that's the case then the bose should work. Ganito lang kasi yan getting a brand new will only get you an entry level reciever while if you get it second hand you will get a mid level one for your budget. But it's up to you. I personally want a brand new item. And not all entry level receivers have those features like airplay, BT, passthrough, 3d etc.

I don't have a lot of experience but I like the Yamaha. Since it's not a very picky amp when it comes to speaker matching. Get the 673 if kaya. Check Listen Up sa Glorietta I saw some pioneers on sale there.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: Capice on Feb 01, 2014 at 03:27 PM
If that's the case then the bose should work. Ganito lang kasi yan getting a brand new will only get you an entry level reciever while if you get it second hand you will get a mid level one for your budget. But it's up to you. I personally want a brand new item. And not all entry level receivers have those features like airplay, BT, passthrough, 3d etc.

I don't have a lot of experience but I like the Yamaha. Since it's not a very picky amp when it comes to speaker matching. Get the 673 if kaya. Check Listen Up sa Glorietta I saw some pioneers on sale there.

When it comes to mid level compared to entry level, malaki ba difference sa sound quality? kasi sa features ng yamaha375 mas maganda siya compared the other competitors niya around the same price range. Will check rin if may magbenta ng 673 nila hehe. Is it a good deal even though 2012 model siya?
Thanks for the tips sir! Will check on Listen up and other stores.  :)
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: titor on Feb 01, 2014 at 03:37 PM
When it comes to mid level compared to entry level, malaki ba difference sa sound quality? kasi sa features ng yamaha375 mas maganda siya compared the other competitors niya around the same price range. Will check rin if may magbenta ng 673 nila hehe. Is it a good deal even though 2012 model siya?
Thanks for the tips sir! Will check on Listen up and other stores.  :)

Depends on the room size. There will be some minor differences on the 5 channels. And mid level recievers are at 7.1. There might be a lack of features as well like passthrough, network support, zone 2 etc. but the basics should be adequate. I'm still using a 2011 Yamaha 671 and it gives me enough for my needs. except airplay.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: Capice on Feb 02, 2014 at 12:56 AM
Depends on the room size. There will be some minor differences on the 5 channels. And mid level recievers are at 7.1. There might be a lack of features as well like passthrough, network support, zone 2 etc. but the basics should be adequate. I'm still using a 2011 Yamaha 671 and it gives me enough for my needs. except airplay.

Thats why the sony got my attention kasi 7.1 siya. Good for the yamaha375 it has 3d passthrough. I just read okay pala review nung onyko nr414 kaso discontinued na siya. Will try to look for a second hand. Thanks for the help!
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: Capice on Feb 06, 2014 at 01:42 PM
sirs, i found an old Denon avr2808 for i think a good price. I think it's a mid range receiver. Would it be a good buy compared to a brand new entry level? The only downside i see in it is that i'll be using a bluetooth dongle to play my music. Tia!
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: ninjababez® on Feb 06, 2014 at 11:40 PM
sirs, i found an old Denon avr2808 for i think a good price. I think it's a mid range receiver. Would it be a good buy compared to a brand new entry level? The only downside i see in it is that i'll be using a bluetooth dongle to play my music. Tia!
YES! :)
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: Capice on Feb 07, 2014 at 11:54 PM
good price ba kung 12k? or tawaran ko pa hehe
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: ninjababez® on Feb 08, 2014 at 05:25 AM
good price ba kung 12k? or tawaran ko pa hehe
baba na nyan, kung wala naman problema sa unit grab na ;)

Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: Empress20 on Mar 05, 2014 at 06:44 PM
mga sir alin ang mas maganda xeno amplifier o sakura?
parehong wala.mag invest ka na lang sa branded ;D
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: zillibra on Mar 14, 2014 at 06:40 AM
Hello po, medyo maramirami narin ako nababasa dito,
pero hanggang ngayon naguguluhan parin ako kung ano
ang pipiliin ko, kaya pa tulong naman po.

speakers balak ko ay PolkAudio TSX Model
ngayon sa A/V Receiver ang hindi ako maka pag decide
if ano maganda, kung pwede sana ay 50/50: music & movies
or pwede rin na lumamang ang movies.
budget A/V Receiver 25K

din pa suggest naman po, kung saan ang may mga
free audition/show room ng mga ito.

Thanks~
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: kangkaroth on Mar 17, 2014 at 05:28 PM
just wanted to get your expert advice in choosing an amplifier. am thinking of either pioneer 1022 or onkyo 616. at second hand both range almost the same. my current speakers are pioneer floor standers and center, dtx sub, and a bookshelf. The floor area is quite big kaya i need a beefier amplifier.

or in case you also have suggestions on the 16k-18k price range, feel free to let me know. Thanks in advance mga sir
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: Patroller97 on Mar 20, 2014 at 04:28 PM
Ok ba yung Pioneer VSX-323-K  ?
5.1-Channel AV Receiver Featuring Compatibility with iPod/iPhone, HDMI™ with 3D and ARC, and Ultra HD (4K) Pass Through
complete setup na with 5 speakers at sub.
33,000 pesos? or mahal

matibay ba pioneer?

pioneer or yamaha?

kung yamaha anong model ang pwede ko mabili na complete setup na din aroung 30k? thanks
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: Icermad on Mar 20, 2014 at 05:11 PM
Ok ba yung Pioneer VSX-323-K  ?
5.1-Channel AV Receiver Featuring Compatibility with iPod/iPhone, HDMI™ with 3D and ARC, and Ultra HD (4K) Pass Through
complete setup na with 5 speakers at sub.
33,000 pesos? or mahal

matibay ba pioneer?

pioneer or yamaha?

kung yamaha anong model ang pwede ko mabili na complete setup na din aroung 30k? thanks

I suggest sir you audition it both :)

With the budget na 33k medyo mahirap yung 5.1 for a good sounding speaker if kasama na yung receiver and sub... you can probably go for 2.1 muna siguro.. or 3.1..

The bang for the buck speakers that I've heard so far is the Q Acoustics 2000 series.. Cheap din yung Wharfedale 100 series..Both the Wharfe 100 series and QA 2000 series have a 5 star rating in what hifi..

You might also want to check out the Dali Zensor..

For the sub... just browse the marketplace nalang sir for a bargain sub.. :)

Or you might find them all sa Marketplace... :) Good luck sir! Happy hunting..
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: splucktearse on Mar 20, 2014 at 09:14 PM
I'm having a dilemma with marantz 1603 and denon 1713. Dito kasi sa UAE e may sale ngayon.

marantz 1603 = 16k php
denon 1713    = 11k php

my speakers are wharfedale vardus 300 5.1 including the sub. I am more interested on the sound quality kahit na ang piliin ko e yung mas mahal. will be used mostly for music. Hope someone can help me dahil baka maubusan ako ng stocks hehe, salamat ng madami pdvd
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: CoolTOYZPH on Mar 20, 2014 at 09:32 PM
Why get an AVR if mostly for music?


I'm having a dilemma with marantz 1603 and denon 1713. Dito kasi sa UAE e may sale ngayon.

marantz 1603 = 16k php
denon 1713    = 11k php

my speakers are wharfedale vardus 300 5.1 including the sub. I am more interested on the sound quality kahit na ang piliin ko e yung mas mahal. will be used mostly for music. Hope someone can help me dahil baka maubusan ako ng stocks hehe, salamat ng madami pdvd
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: splucktearse on Mar 20, 2014 at 09:55 PM
Why get an AVR if mostly for music?


bale sir meron akong onkyo 313 before pero nasira siya.i have the wharfedale vardus 300 complete 5.1 speakers, sayang kasi speakers. AVR lang sir ang kaya ng budget. :)
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: kangkaroth on Mar 20, 2014 at 11:35 PM
planning an upgrade mga sir...
Bnew Yamaha 573 or Used Pioneer 1022 or Used Onkyo 616? mostly for movies for a big room
thanks in advance mga sir
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: CoolTOYZPH on Mar 21, 2014 at 12:54 PM
I liked the pairing of Marantz + Wharfedale when I still had the set-up.

bale sir meron akong onkyo 313 before pero nasira siya.i have the wharfedale vardus 300 complete 5.1 speakers, sayang kasi speakers. AVR lang sir ang kaya ng budget. :)
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: splucktearse on Mar 21, 2014 at 02:27 PM
I liked the pairing of Marantz + Wharfedale when I still had the set-up.


Salamat sir Cool TOYZ, will buy the marantz 1603 when salary comes next week hehe. sana may stocks pa :)
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: splucktearse on Mar 30, 2014 at 04:03 PM
nagmahal yung marantz 1603 dito sa UAE. from 16k php to 19.5k php. is it still worth the price? considering it brand new pero kung dadalhin ko jan sa pilipinas e mahirap na ipa rma.
Title: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: remixprod on Apr 10, 2014 at 12:39 PM
If i have to keep only one.. Denon 1713 or HK 1565? 50/50 music and movies. Thanks PDVD! Help please
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: jtkotzen on Apr 10, 2014 at 01:59 PM
bossing narzimus mag sherwood av receiver ka nalang.

eto mga sherwood ko

all brand new boss

RD5405 - P13,000
RD606i - P15,700
RD507 - P16,000

http://sherwoodamerica.com/product/view.asp
http://sherwoodamerica.com/product/view.asp
http://sherwoodamerica.com/product/view.asp

slightly negotiable

txt mo nalang ako 09981981221
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: kangkaroth on Apr 16, 2014 at 03:36 PM
Patulong po mag decide, used Onko616 or Bnew Yamaha 573?
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: Superman on Apr 16, 2014 at 03:39 PM
Patulong po mag decide, used Onko616 or Bnew Yamaha 573?

Eto bagay sa yo:

http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,190334.0.html

:D
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: kangkaroth on Apr 16, 2014 at 03:43 PM
Eto bagay sa yo:

http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,190334.0.html

:D

way way out of my league brother... hahah
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: boyturok on May 07, 2014 at 12:44 AM
good pm mga masters.
Just bought an infinity primus 363. Di pa ko nakakabili ng center, surrounds, sub...
plano ko mag set up ng 7.1 for home theater and music also.
Ano kaya pinaka magandang ka-match na receiver ang mare-recommend ninyo?
Tnx.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: -mhan- on May 09, 2014 at 04:55 PM
better kung Harman Kardon din imatch mo diyan kasi same company lang sila.

kaya sureball na match talaga sila. INFINITY + HK = fantastic ^-^
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: Davidx23 on Jul 08, 2014 at 04:53 PM
Good day mga sir.  I'm on the lookout for a receiver and narrowed it down to the denon x2100w or marantz sr5008.  I liked the 'eco mode' feature mentioned on the denon while the discontinued marantz is on sale at the moment 34% off since the 2014 version (sr5009) will be out within a month or two.

Do you think po ba na worth bilhin/hintayin yung 2014 denon because of the 'power saving' feature due to the ever rising price in electricity or the power saving is just BS and just go with the older discontinued marantz model? I currently just have a pair of stereo bookshelf speakers and will be placed in my tiny HT room which is 3 meters x 4 meters. Planning to upgrade to a 3.1 by end of the year and transition to a 5.1 in a year or two. I'm not interested in wireless, bluetooth or 4K technology.

What do you think mga sir?
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: ♡ lvcdg23™ ✌ on Jul 08, 2014 at 05:02 PM
^
Based from my experience having previously owned a Denon 4311 and my current Marantz SR7008...
I prefer the Sound Character of Marantz especially for 2-Channel Stereo listening...
Marantz also has a livelier surround effect which made me appreciate my HT set up more :)

But don't get me wrong. Denon is a very capable AVR and has very good sound quality.
It's just a matter of personal preference and speaker matching ;)
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: Davidx23 on Jul 08, 2014 at 05:43 PM
Thanks po sir Louie_18.  It seems like more than 95% ng mga nabasa ko favors marantz. The only downside to my start-up project is that I won't be able to audition the receiver + the speakers that I just bought. Yup, it's a rookie mistake, the speakers were on sale and the store was closing so without auditioning, I bought it (b&w 686 s2).  Another problem is the store that carries the marantz receiver doesn't have b&w speakers  :(

Anyway I think I'm confident now that the marantz is the perfect choice and will be suitable for my upcoming upgrades.  Thanks sir for the inputs.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: ♡ lvcdg23™ ✌ on Jul 08, 2014 at 05:50 PM
Thanks po sir Louie_18.  It seems like more than 95% ng mga nabasa ko favors marantz. The only downside to my start-up project is that I won't be able to audition the receiver + the speakers that I just bought. Yup, it's a rookie mistake, the speakers were on sale and the store was closing so without auditioning, I bought it (b&w 686 s2).  Another problem is the store that carries the marantz receiver doesn't have b&w speakers  :(

Anyway I think I'm confident now that the marantz is the perfect choice and will be suitable for my upcoming upgrades.  Thanks sir for the inputs.

Try contacting Marc (avshop)... As far as I know he carries B&W speakers... ;)
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: Courage on Jul 08, 2014 at 06:00 PM
^
Based from my experience having previously owned a Denon 4311 and my current Marantz SR7008...
I prefer the Sound Character of Marantz especially for 2-Channel Stereo listening...
Marantz also has a livelier surround effect which made me appreciate my HT set up more :)

But don't get me wrong. Denon is a very capable AVR and has very good sound quality.
It's just a matter of personal preference and speaker matching ;)

I love your Marantz SR7008.. kung may moolah lang ako nag upgrade na ako ng receiver..
Title: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: crazyhog on Jul 08, 2014 at 06:06 PM

^
Based from my experience having previously owned a Denon 4311 and my current Marantz SR7008...
I prefer the Sound Character of Marantz especially for 2-Channel Stereo listening...
Marantz also has a livelier surround effect which made me appreciate my HT set up more :)

But don't get me wrong. Denon is a very capable AVR and has very good sound quality.
It's just a matter of personal preference and speaker matching ;)

sir Louie, Ur previous Pioneer vs Marantz, alin sa dalawa produce good surrounds? and good for zzmovies?
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: Timithekid on Jul 08, 2014 at 06:08 PM
Thanks po sir Louie_18.  It seems like more than 95% ng mga nabasa ko favors marantz. The only downside to my start-up project is that I won't be able to audition the receiver + the speakers that I just bought. Yup, it's a rookie mistake, the speakers were on sale and the store was closing so without auditioning, I bought it (b&w 686 s2).  Another problem is the store that carries the marantz receiver doesn't have b&w speakers  :(

Anyway I think I'm confident now that the marantz is the perfect choice and will be suitable for my upcoming upgrades.  Thanks sir for the inputs.

Don't worry about the Marantz and B&W match.  Its very nice and lively, both for audio and HT use, the marantz can bring out the best in your 686.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: Davidx23 on Jul 08, 2014 at 06:17 PM
^Thanks sir. Sige, next pay day kunin ko na yung marantz :)
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: comet on Jul 08, 2014 at 06:49 PM
sir Louie, Ur previous Pioneer vs Marantz, alin sa dalawa produce good surrounds? and good for zzmovies?
Fren kelangan mo ng bumisita sa bahay : )
Title: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: crazyhog on Jul 08, 2014 at 07:00 PM

Fren kelangan mo ng bumisita sa bahay : )

ibang level naamn un sau doc :). Musta?
Title: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: comet on Jul 08, 2014 at 07:26 PM
Ayos lang Fren, baka ma-OT hehe. I can vouch for the Marantz sound, great for both movies and music!
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: ♡ lvcdg23™ ✌ on Jul 09, 2014 at 01:14 PM
I love your Marantz SR7008.. kung may moolah lang ako nag upgrade na ako ng receiver..

I lab u too, hehehe :-*
Dibale ikikiss kita kay SR7008 or dalaw kana lang sa bahay para may masarap ;D

sir Louie, Ur previous Pioneer vs Marantz, alin sa dalawa produce good surrounds? and good for zzmovies?

Actually both Pioneer and Marantz are very good for Home Theater...
Because of Pioneer's efficient class D amps, especially the LX series, it will drive 7.1 set up with ease and produce smooth surround effect.
What I like with the Marantz is its overall performance, it excels in movies, concerts and stereo.
Kung baga mas pang all-around ang Marantz.
Sa stereo listening kasi somethimes I find the Pioneer LX-86 a little bright for my taste...
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: Courage on Jul 09, 2014 at 02:28 PM
I lab u too, hehehe :-*
Dibale ikikiss kita kay SR7008 or dalaw kana lang sa bahay para may masarap ;D

Actually both Pioneer and Marantz are very good for Home Theater...
Because of Pioneer's efficient class D amps, especially the LX series, it will drive 7.1 set up with ease and produce smooth surround effect.
What I like with the Marantz is its overall performance, it excels in movies, concerts and stereo.
Kung baga mas pang all-around ang Marantz.
Sa stereo listening kasi somethimes I find the Pioneer LX-86 a little bright for my taste...

This is true when i heard Louies Marantz for both music and audio..

Maganda din ang Denon for home theater.. pero mas maganda ang marantz sa music base sa aking pandinig at demo demo..
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: psychro on Sep 17, 2014 at 01:22 AM
Any inputs on Yamaha A1030 vs Marantz sr5008?

Maganda raw marantz, pero baka may input kayo.

Salamat.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: kmercado on Sep 17, 2014 at 04:05 AM
sir san po ba pwede ma audition ung Q Acoustics 2000 series? maganda po ung review puro five star!!!
btw, have you heard the Andrew Jones SP-PK52FS? okay din po ba ito?
i'm planning to match it with Pioneer VSX-923 or Onkyo TX-NR636 okay lang po kaya ang matching?

thanks in advance!

I suggest sir you audition it both :)

With the budget na 33k medyo mahirap yung 5.1 for a good sounding speaker if kasama na yung receiver and sub... you can probably go for 2.1 muna siguro.. or 3.1..

The bang for the buck speakers that I've heard so far is the Q Acoustics 2000 series.. Cheap din yung Wharfedale 100 series..Both the Wharfe 100 series and QA 2000 series have a 5 star rating in what hifi..

You might also want to check out the Dali Zensor..

For the sub... just browse the marketplace nalang sir for a bargain sub.. :)

Or you might find them all sa Marketplace... :) Good luck sir! Happy hunting..
Title: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: DViant on Oct 07, 2014 at 05:17 PM
What are the choice av receivers released in 2014? Take note, never said the best.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: psychro on Oct 20, 2014 at 09:28 PM
OT lang po. 

I'm currently in US and going back to Philippines.  I have bought a receiver.  Can I have this on my luggage or better handcarry this receiver?  I don't want to be checked by Philippines Custom..

Any suggestion guys?

Thanks
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: gbernardo on Dec 01, 2014 at 11:26 PM
Hi guys I'm looking to upgrade my old receiver. I currently have Monitor Audio BR5. Would be used primarily for movies (90%) and concerts (10%). Budget is 20-30K. I only have a 3.1 setup now so I would probably be ok with a 5.1 receiver assuming sound quality is the same... Thanks in advance.  :)
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: -mhan- on Dec 05, 2014 at 10:15 AM
kung pang pure movies, Onkyo and Pioneer LX series.

kung halos pang all around(concert, movies, music) Marantz.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: yygoob on Dec 05, 2014 at 11:15 AM
i think si sir louie18 ang magandang tanungin kung ano ang ok na brand ...halos buwan2 kung magpalit ng gears so nagkaroon na sya ng onkyo, marantz and pioneer receiver to name a few...
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: Nelson de Leon on Dec 05, 2014 at 12:13 PM
i think si sir louie18 ang magandang tanungin kung ano ang ok na brand ...halos buwan2 kung magpalit ng gears so nagkaroon na sya ng onkyo, marantz and pioneer receiver to name a few...

Totoo yan. nakaka-"buwang" nga.   ;D
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: erwin_panget on Jan 06, 2015 at 10:26 PM
Mga bossing, patulong naman. Baka po meron kayo maisuggest sa kin na below 5k na amp. Tight budget lng po. Thanks & more power...
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: Nelson de Leon on Jan 07, 2015 at 03:57 PM
Mga bossing, patulong naman. Baka po meron kayo maisuggest sa kin na below 5k na amp. Tight budget lng po. Thanks & more power...

Baka maka-timing ka dito sa marketplace ng pinoydvd. Other than dito, I doubt may mabibili ka sa budget mo.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: darkgreen on Mar 02, 2015 at 04:42 PM
Hi!

I'm getting my very first av receiver. I'm new to this. I was supposed to get a bose companion 5 but i've heard that it would be better if i just get an av reciever and speakers because they sound much better. Is this true?

And if it is, i narrowed down my options for an av receiver and i found these, what would you recommend among these?

Denon avr 1913
Denon avr s700w
Denon avr s500bt

I also found these a pretty cheap set
Onkyo ht 3700

I'm gonna use it in my bedroom for music and movie watching, mostly for movies. 
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: egzbuen on Mar 05, 2015 at 01:26 PM
OT lang po. 

I'm currently in US and going back to Philippines.  I have bought a receiver.  Can I have this on my luggage or better handcarry this receiver?  I don't want to be checked by Philippines Custom..

Any suggestion guys?

Thanks

Customs and duties is a hit and miss here in the country. If they don't see it, you will be lucky. If they do, prepare to cough up cash. You can try to argue but it might be, in most cases, futile.

Best bet to avoid customs and duties is to ship by sea. Regardless of value and weight, they charge standard per balikbayan box. Just pack it well to damage.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: tonedeaf on Sep 06, 2015 at 08:45 PM
An interesting read:
http://www.avrant.com/a-guide-for-future-proof-bang-for-buck-av-receivers/

Quote
In 2015, Denon and Marantz have kept things very simple:
– every 2015 model that has 7 or more speaker channels supports Dolby Atmos and DTS:X
– every 2015 model supports HDMI 2.0a with HDCP 2.2 on every single HDMI port
– every 2015 model has Audyssey room correction
 
When we look at the lineups of the other major mass market AV Receiver brands, they simply don’t stack up:
– Pioneer and Pioneer Elite have not announced a single model that supports DTS:X
– Yamaha’s least expensive model that supports DTS:X is the $1200 RX-A1050
– Onkyo and Integra have several 7 speaker models, but feature-for-feature, Denon and Marantz are less expensive. Plus, Onkyo and Integra have included HDCP 2.2 support on only some of their HDMI ports, not all. And their room correction program called AccuEQ is extremely basic, and frankly, better left unused!
- See more at: http://www.avrant.com/a-guide-for-future-proof-bang-for-buck-av-receivers/#sthash.Yj5Vt3ZG.dpuf
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: joogeman on May 11, 2016 at 10:41 AM
i'm a little tight on the budget and im looking for the cheapest/decent receiver out in the market..

i'm not particular with brands and its just gonna be a small room

i'm also planning on using the old speakers from my old 5.1 set up...

i just want para maayos yung setup and isang remote na lang gagamitin for all the volume =)
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: Nelson de Leon on May 11, 2016 at 10:43 AM
i'm a little tight on the budget and im looking for the cheapest/decent receiver out in the market..

i'm not particular with brands and its just gonna be a small room

i'm also planning on using the old speakers from my old 5.1 set up...

i just want para maayos yung setup and isang remote na lang gagamitin for all the volume =)

Abang ka na lang sir ng pre-owned dito sa marketplace. Sub P10t.

Sent from my ASUS_T00J using Tapatalk 4

Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: ob120485 on Nov 03, 2016 at 12:00 AM
Good PM mga boss.

Ask lang ako opinion regarding this AV:

Pioneer VSX-430. Okay ang price at 44k with the speakers na. Decent din ang sound. Any suggestions?

(http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i152/ob120485/14900444_10154697970445990_8516747924650605143_n_zpsujspajss.jpg) (http://s71.photobucket.com/user/ob120485/media/14900444_10154697970445990_8516747924650605143_n_zpsujspajss.jpg.html)

Thank you.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: tonedeaf on Dec 18, 2016 at 01:17 PM
Okay pa din ba to buy from the established brands like Onkyo, Denon, Marantz and Yamaha? If purpose is to play music as well, Denon/Marantz? I'm looking to upgrade this 2017.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: tigkal on Apr 02, 2017 at 11:20 AM
Sale of pioneer av receiver at festival western. Vsx 822k at 15k. Other models also on sale.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: plapoy on Dec 19, 2017 at 08:41 PM
looking for recommendations any 7.2 with 4k and atmos and dtsx receiver? onkyo, yamaha, denon, hk..
thanks in advance! ;)
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: ninang on Feb 10, 2018 at 12:05 PM
Ano po ba magandang entry level 5.1 receiver na available online w/ shipping? Currently only found onkyo tx-sr373 and denon AVR-X540BT sa lazada halos same lang ang price.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: JeromeA on Feb 10, 2018 at 12:35 PM
Ano po ba magandang entry level 5.1 receiver na available online w/ shipping? Currently only found onkyo tx-sr373 and denon AVR-X540BT sa lazada halos same lang ang price.

i'll pick the denon over onkyo. yung 540bt 5.2 na sya dba?
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: ninang on Feb 10, 2018 at 01:25 PM
Thanks, yup 5.2 po, yung onkyo 5.1.
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: zram18 on Feb 10, 2018 at 07:07 PM
yung pioneer receiver na 7.2 with atmos ang maganda, best value for money..
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: ninang on Feb 11, 2018 at 09:02 PM
Lampas budget na po mga 7.1, hanggang 16k lang kaya ko :(
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: mpbtejada on Apr 17, 2018 at 05:27 PM
Any recos for a good entry-level AVR to power the satellites from a Bose Lifestyle 5 series? Or is that even possible?
Title: Re: Choosing an AV Receiver
Post by: AlvinladeN on May 30, 2018 at 04:31 PM
Im looking to upgrade my almost a decade year old Onkyo 608 to a 9.2 Dolby Atmos AVR. Meron ba makukuha for 50k budget? Im willing to stretch my budget.