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synchro_01 · « **Reply #120 on:** Jun 17, 2011 at 06:26 PM »

drafting Melo, Wade or Bosh doesnt mean na pang starting 5 caliber agad on his rookie year. They could have still played Prince and bring the rookie off the bench to get the experience needed. As it is after the championship its all bad decisions after another. Napakinabangan ba si Darko? nope. press release pa ni Dumars at that time was long term project daw so Darko but instead he turned out to be a mascot of some sort for that team. They only bring him in when they are winning by a huge margin so that he could please the crowd. If they got any of those three (Melo, Bosh or Wade) imagine what they could have become after two or three years down the line after that championship had they kept the core intact (Billups, Rip, Rasheed, Tayshaun etc).

just my opinion. Now if anybody would say that drafting Darko over any of those three is worth it then so be it.

Gob_Loves_Sony · « **Reply #121 on:** Jun 17, 2011 at 06:34 PM »

un line up ng pistons ngaun 2010-2011..wala akong makitang dahilan para di sila makacompete sa playoffs...
pero nalusutan pa sila ng sixers...they could have finished 7th or 8th sa ganun klaseng lineup..kumpleto naman sila halos eh..un coach lng talaga naging problema..

rusty · « **Reply #122 on:** Jun 17, 2011 at 06:51 PM »

Quote from: synchro_01 on Jun 17, 2011 at 06:26 PM

drafting Melo, Wade or Bosh doesnt mean na pang starting 5 caliber agad on his rookie year. They could have still played Prince and bring the rookie off the bench to get the experience needed. As it is after the championship its all bad decisions after another. Napakinabangan ba si Darko? nope. press release pa ni Dumars at that time was long term project daw so Darko but instead he turned out to be a mascot of some sort for that team. They only bring him in when they are winning by a huge margin so that he could please the crowd. If they got any of those three (Melo, Bosh or Wade) imagine what they could have become after two or three years down the line after that championship had they kept the core intact (Billups, Rip, Rasheed, Tayshaun etc).

just my opinion. Now if anybody would say that drafting Darko over any of those three is worth it then so be it.

I'm not saying that drafting Darko was a good decision. I'm saying that it's a bad decision that somehow ended up well. The 2003-04 Lakers and the 2010-11 Heat are prime examples that merely stacking talent is not enough to win championships. Chemistry is very important too. And Melo would've definitely started over Prince that year. Remember that game saving block that Prince made on Reggie Miller? Or maybe Prince limiting Kobe to 11 points in the finals?

steelcrazy · « **Reply #123 on:** Jun 18, 2011 at 08:57 AM »

Quote from: synchro_01 on Jun 17, 2011 at 06:26 PM

drafting Melo, Wade or Bosh doesnt mean na pang starting 5 caliber agad on his rookie year. They could have still played Prince and bring the rookie off the bench to get the experience needed. As it is after the championship its all bad decisions after another. Napakinabangan ba si Darko? nope. press release pa ni Dumars at that time was long term project daw so Darko but instead he turned out to be a mascot of some sort for that team. They only bring him in when they are winning by a huge margin so that he could please the crowd. If they got any of those three (Melo, Bosh or Wade) imagine what they could have become after two or three years down the line after that championship had they kept the core intact (Billups, Rip, Rasheed, Tayshaun etc).

just my opinion. Now if anybody would say that drafting Darko over any of those three is worth it then so be it.

drafting DARKO was the biggest mistake done by DUMARS and the Pistons, they should have went for MELO that time and have other teams work a good trade for him on future draft picks.

rusty · « **Reply #124 on:** Jun 18, 2011 at 09:34 AM »

Quote from: steelcrazy on Jun 18, 2011 at 08:57 AM

drafting DARKO was the biggest mistake done by DUMARS and the Pistons, they should have went for MELO that time and have other teams work a good trade for him on future draft picks.

But would they have known in the first place that they had enough to win a championship that year to trade away someone like Melo for future draft picks? I still say that the Dumars' indecison on whether to rebuild or contend in the past few years has been his biggest mistake. Drafting Darko is a relatively minor one if you compare how incompetent they have been in the past few years. And besides, the drafting process itself is not an exact science. How would Dumars have known in advance that he was drafting a total bust when he drafted this guy:

But what really excites them is his mature low-post play. "More than Nowitzki, Gasol or even Divac, Darko has a nasty streak in him that will help him succeed in the post," a league executive said. "A lot of the Europeans are really threes in the pros. He'll be a true low-post player. His coach is doing us a huge favor by forcing him to develop those skills now. He already has moves that remind me of (Hakeem) Olajuwon in the post. Once we get a hold of him, the sky's the limit."

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?id=1490974

steelcrazy · « **Reply #125 on:** Jun 18, 2011 at 12:52 PM »

Quote from: rusty on Jun 18, 2011 at 09:34 AM

But would they have known in the first place that they had enough to win a championship that year to trade away someone like Melo for future draft picks? I still say that the Dumars' indecison on whether to rebuild or contend in the past few years has been his biggest mistake. Drafting Darko is a relatively minor one if you compare how incompetent they have been in the past few years. And besides, the drafting process itself is not an exact science. How would Dumars have known in advance that he was drafting a total bust when he drafted this guy:

But what really excites them is his mature low-post play. "More than Nowitzki, Gasol or even Divac, Darko has a nasty streak in him that will help him succeed in the post," a league executive said. "A lot of the Europeans are really threes in the pros. He'll be a true low-post player. His coach is doing us a huge favor by forcing him to develop those skills now. He already has moves that remind me of (Hakeem) Olajuwon in the post. Once we get a hold of him, the sky's the limit."

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?id=1490974

they didnt draft MELO becoz they wana secure the 3 spot for Tayshaun Prince.

Gob_Loves_Sony · « **Reply #126 on:** Jun 18, 2011 at 03:27 PM »

tsk tsk tsk...

rusty · « **Reply #127 on:** Jun 18, 2011 at 10:14 PM »

@DraftExpress
The Dwight Howard sweepstakes have begun. Golden State offered Monta Ellis, Andris Biedrins and Ekpe Udoh. Unlikely that'll get it done.

You’ll never know unless you try…right?

synchro_01 · « **Reply #128 on:** Jun 18, 2011 at 11:43 PM »

agree that the drafting process isnt really an exact science and an element of luck should be involved however Dumars wasnt thinking back then. Why would you pick someone who is halfway around the world and rarely seen by scouts as compared to Melo, Bosh or Wade who are playing in the US and their level of play has been closely scrutinized by NBA scouts? He really didnt pick a player in the forward position because he had one of the best defensive forwards at that time which shouldnt be because when the talent presents itself the GM should grab it no matter if it would be redundant. He could then decide to swing a deal naman to balance it out just in case may conflict sa playing time.

same deal with Portland before right? they chose a guy named Sam Bowie over somebody named MJ because they had Clyde on the SG position and they needed a center. Huge mistake on their part. Pero bakit si Jerry West...he traded a well established center in Vlade Divac just to get a high school kid in Kobe nothwithstanding having Eddie Jones in his prime who was a very good defensive and offensive player?

Some guys are just really good in their job and some are not.

Munskie · « **Reply #129 on:** Jun 19, 2011 at 03:10 AM »

Quote from: synchro_01 on Jun 18, 2011 at 11:43 PM

agree that the drafting process isnt really an exact science and an element of luck should be involved however Dumars wasnt thinking back then. Why would you pick someone who is halfway around the world and rarely seen by scouts as compared to Melo, Bosh or Wade who are playing in the US and their level of play has been closely scrutinized by NBA scouts? He really didnt pick a player in the forward position because he had one of the best defensive forwards at that time which shouldnt be because when the talent presents itself the GM should grab it no matter if it would be redundant. He could then decide to swing a deal naman to balance it out just in case may conflict sa playing time.

same deal with Portland before right? they chose a guy named Sam Bowie over somebody named MJ because they had Clyde on the SG position and they needed a center. Huge mistake on their part. Pero bakit si Jerry West...he traded a well established center in Vlade Divac just to get a high school kid in Kobe nothwithstanding having Eddie Jones in his prime who was a very good defensive and offensive player?

Some guys are just really good in their job and some are not.

Pretty true. How many time team execs were burned by trying to draft by filling team/position needs. You just have to take the best player available, especially in the early part of the draft.

Dumars and his staff blundered in that Milicic pick.

rusty · « **Reply #130 on:** Jun 19, 2011 at 04:52 AM »

Quote from: synchro_01 on Jun 18, 2011 at 11:43 PM

agree that the drafting process isnt really an exact science and an element of luck should be involved however Dumars wasnt thinking back then. Why would you pick someone who is halfway around the world and rarely seen by scouts as compared to Melo, Bosh or Wade who are playing in the US and their level of play has been closely scrutinized by NBA scouts? He really didnt pick a player in the forward position because he had one of the best defensive forwards at that time which shouldnt be because when the talent presents itself the GM should grab it no matter if it would be redundant. He could then decide to swing a deal naman to balance it out just in case may conflict sa playing time.

same deal with Portland before right? they chose a guy named Sam Bowie over somebody named MJ because they had Clyde on the SG position and they needed a center. Huge mistake on their part. Pero bakit si Jerry West...he traded a well established center in Vlade Divac just to get a high school kid in Kobe nothwithstanding having Eddie Jones in his prime who was a very good defensive and offensive player?

Prince wasn't considered a top defensive forward when Milicic was drafted. Prince was coming out of rookie season riding the pine while averaging 3.3 pts per game. Prince's rep as a defensive stalwart wasn't established until the 2004 playoffs. Larry Brown must have really liked him though. Milicic presented more of a roster redundancy than Melo because they already had Big Ben and Okur.

Strange as it may seem, GM's were really buying into the Darko hype in 2003 because of the success of European guys like Gasol and Nowitzki. Remember Nowitzki over Paul Pierce? Or maybe Olowankandi over Nowitzki? Picking local prospects over foreign ones can go both ways. Darko was a lock as a top 3 pick back then. Bosh and Wade wasn't even considered.

Quote from: synchro_01

Some guys are just really good in their job and some are not.

But aside from the Darko "blunder", didn't he turn the Pistons into one of the top 3 or 4 teams in the 00's, behind only the Lakers, Spurs and maybe the Celtics? Didn't he make good draft choices by drafting Prince late in the first round in 2002 or Okur as a late second rounder in 2001?

synchro_01 · « **Reply #131 on:** Jun 19, 2011 at 08:51 AM »

Prince was really a good fit back then but for me Dumars shouldnt have passed up that opportunity to draft talent. We cant consider Okur as a good pick. He is just big and has shooting range but never a productive center. he is more of a reliever in the Pistons line up. Utah thought he would be a legitimate center and paid big bucks to that guy plus gave him the minutes however he didnt deliver what was expected of him. tama lang na nasa second round sya ng draft.

now fast forward 2011..Detroit is hampered by leadership problems and are loaded with players who are grossly overpaid (Gordon, Villanueva, Rip)

hehehe if they could have drafted Wade before maybe now they have LBJ and Bosh too...

this is how it went back then:

Cleveland - LeBron James, SVSM HS
Detroit - Darko Milicic, Serbia
Denver - Carmelo Anthony, Syracuse
Toronto - Chris Bosh, Georgia Tech
Miami - Dwyane Wade, Marquette
L.A. Clippers - Chris Kaman, Central Michigan
Chicago - Kirk Hinrich, Kansas
Milwaukee - T.J. Ford, Texas
New York - Mike Sweetney, Georgetown
Washington - Jarvis Hayes, Georgia
Golden State - Mickael Pietrus, France
Seattle - Nick Collison, Kansas
Memphis - Marcus Banks (to Boston)

rusty · « **Reply #132 on:** Jun 19, 2011 at 08:55 AM »

^
Cleveland should have picked Wade!

steelcrazy · « **Reply #133 on:** Jun 19, 2011 at 09:10 AM »

Quote from: rusty on Jun 19, 2011 at 04:52 AM

Prince wasn't considered a top defensive forward when Milicic was drafted. Prince was coming out of rookie season riding the pine while averaging 3.3 pts per game. Prince's rep as a defensive stalwart wasn't established until the 2004 playoffs. Larry Brown must have really liked him though. Milicic presented more of a roster redundancy than Melo because they already had Big Ben and Okur.

Strange as it may seem, GM's were really buying into the Darko hype in 2003 because of the success of European guys like Gasol and Nowitzki. Remember Nowitzki over Paul Pierce? Or maybe Olowankandi over Nowitzki? Picking local prospects over foreign ones can go both ways. Darko was a lock as a top 3 pick back then. Bosh and Wade wasn't even considered.

But aside from the Darko "blunder", didn't he turn the Pistons into one of the top 3 or 4 teams in the 00's, behind only the Lakers, Spurs and maybe the Celtics? Didn't he make good draft choices by drafting Prince late in the first round in 2002 or Okur as a late second rounder in 2001?

On the contrary, Tayshaun was playing at his prime when they drafted Darko, the Pistons just beat the Lakers and with that line up, they again played for the NBA finals but lost to the Spurs in 7 games.
For two consecutive years, the Pistons were playing very good basketball.

rusty · « **Reply #134 on:** Jun 19, 2011 at 09:19 AM »

Quote from: steelcrazy on Jun 19, 2011 at 09:10 AM

On the contrary, Tayshaun was playing at his prime when they drafted Darko, the Pistons just beat the Lakers and with that line up, they again played for the NBA finals but lost to the Spurs in 7 games.
For two consecutive years, the Pistons were playing very good basketball.

Pre eto tingnan mo.
Tayshaun
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3621/career;_ylt=Aoi7gfKGUM6PXY0aWGqsO.W4PKB4
Darko:
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3705/career;_ylt=Aoi7gfKGUM6PXY0aWGqsO.XKPKB4

eto pa:
Karl Malone
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/213

Gob_Loves_Sony · « **Reply #135 on:** Jun 19, 2011 at 03:27 PM »

commercial muna...
happy father's day sa mga tatay jan!!

tingin ko di naman nagsisisi un pistons dun sa melo na di nila nakuha...nkaisa naman n sila..saka un pistons after nun championship nila palaging contender for 3 straight years..muntikan pa nila matalo un spurs...

pao9307 · « **Reply #136 on:** Jun 19, 2011 at 07:26 PM »

Quote from: steelcrazy on Jun 18, 2011 at 08:57 AM

drafting DARKO was the biggest mistake done by DUMARS and the Pistons, they should have went for MELO that time and have other teams work a good trade for him on future draft picks.

NOBODY should have drafter darko over ANYONE.

FrancisD · « **Reply #137 on:** Jun 20, 2011 at 04:44 PM »

To those who think NBA players are overpaid:

"Do you know how much it costs to maintain Ferraris?" - And getting that island and the house near Beverly Hills....

HD_MOVIES · « **Reply #138 on:** Jun 21, 2011 at 06:41 PM »

Nash for Billups? pwede..

Gob_Loves_Sony · « **Reply #139 on:** Jun 21, 2011 at 06:55 PM »

guston gusto ni hitler the third yan si nash....bagay sa knicks yan...walang depensa naman yun mga superstars nila eh...pataasan n lang ng score...nash n yan...

HD_MOVIES · « **Reply #140 on:** Jun 22, 2011 at 12:23 PM »

Parker for Rio..

rusty · « **Reply #141 on:** Jun 22, 2011 at 12:46 PM »

Draft Buzz: Timberwolves make offer for Lakers' Bynum, more

Minnesota is still looking to land a high-level, impact player for its No. 2 pick, and a source said one of the Timberwolves' many trade proposals was a request for Lakers center Andrew Bynum, which involved sending small forward Michael Beasley to Los Angeles. I don't see this deal or the reported offer involving Pau Gasol actually happening, but it sheds light on the caliber of player general manager David Kahn is hoping to net for his pick.

dmaximus · « **Reply #142 on:** Jun 22, 2011 at 05:35 PM »

Quote from: rusty on Jun 22, 2011 at 12:46 PM

Draft Buzz: Timberwolves make offer for Lakers' Bynum, more

Minnesota is still looking to land a high-level, impact player for its No. 2 pick, and a source said one of the Timberwolves' many trade proposals was a request for Lakers center Andrew Bynum, which involved sending small forward Michael Beasley to Los Angeles. I don't see this deal or the reported offer involving Pau Gasol actually happening, but it sheds light on the caliber of player general manager David Kahn is hoping to net for his pick.

nakow malabo no. lakers still want to keep their size advantage e.

HDMI · « **Reply #143 on:** Jun 22, 2011 at 05:56 PM »

Well, the Lakers' size advantage didn't really work out during the 2nd round of the playoffs. Maybe mgmt is will consider parting with Bynum not for Beasley but somebody like Dwight Howard. Beasley for Kardashian pwede pa

Gob_Loves_Sony · « **Reply #144 on:** Jun 22, 2011 at 06:51 PM »

mahirp din kakampi yan beasley matakaw din sa bola yan...batukan ni kobe yan..

dmaximus · « **Reply #145 on:** Jun 23, 2011 at 02:39 AM »

Quote from: HDMI on Jun 22, 2011 at 05:56 PM

Well, the Lakers' size advantage didn't really work out during the 2nd round of the playoffs. Maybe mgmt is will consider parting with Bynum not for Beasley but somebody like Dwight Howard. Beasley for Kardashian pwede pa

i think it worked for them. they won some finals dint they? they will need to address their bench. malakas padin line up nila despite being swept by the mavs.

Sana mag make ng move ang Clippers konting revamp nalang playoff contender na sila

pao9307 · « **Reply #146 on:** Jun 23, 2011 at 09:19 AM »

any knicks fans in here?

Gob_Loves_Sony · « **Reply #147 on:** Jun 23, 2011 at 09:24 AM »

dapat gawin ng lakers itapon n un 3B barnes/brown/blake humanap ng pg na matino..at sa bench n un fisher....kahit un felton pede na...kung di kaya makuha cp3...

Gob_Loves_Sony · « **Reply #148 on:** Jun 23, 2011 at 09:25 AM »

Quote from: pao9307 on Jun 23, 2011 at 09:19 AM

any knicks fans in here?

i used to like them ...pero now..wala akong makitang bagsik sa d antoni era..
get nash!!!

Wiggum · « **Reply #149 on:** Jun 23, 2011 at 09:29 AM »

Lots of trade rumors leading up to tomorrow's draft. Aside from the Tony Parker rumors, other key players like Steve Nash, Andre Iguodala, Josh Smith, Rudy Gay, Lamar Odom are allegedly involved in potential trades.

Based on the reports/rumors, looks like Iguodala and Odom are really going to be moved. As regards Odom, LA allegedly tried to trade him to MIN for the 2nd pick (and the chance to draft Arizona's Derrick Williams - is he good??). Now, there's a report that Odom might be dealt straight up for Iguodala.

Tomorrow's draft and the days leading to the July 1 deadline for the CBA negotiations are going to be intense.