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Re: CBCP vs. The Modern World
« Reply #60 on: Feb 11, 2014 at 10:22 PM »
I think the takeaway message for the Catholic Church is to just rephrase and clarify their teachings. They think any disagreement with them is a result of misunderstanding or misinformation or maybe they didn't say their message in the right way rather then: They've heard it. They understood it. They simply disagree.

Pinoys are so backwards in those other issues. It's kind of sad.
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Re: CBCP vs. The Modern World
« Reply #61 on: Mar 29, 2014 at 03:05 PM »
8 Reasons Why the CBCP’s Anti-Vaccination Article Is Mind-Blowingly Irresponsible
http://8list.ph/cbcp-the-truth-about-vaccines/

CBCP’s Anti-Vaccination Article
http://www.cbcpnews.com/cbcpnews/?p=32904

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Re: CBCP vs. The Modern World
« Reply #62 on: Mar 31, 2014 at 12:39 PM »
Christians, You’re Not Victims

From what I read and hear, conservative evangelical Christians are feeling victimized by developments in American culture and in the ways they are being treated under new anti-discrimination laws. In ever greater numbers, they are appealing to the courts to grant them “relief” from regulations that they feel violates their freedom of religion.  “Religious liberty” has become the rallying cry for a legal “remedy” to the violation of what they see as their freedom to practice their religion.

It is understandable that religious conservatives would feel uncomfortable and unsettled by recent developments in the church and in the culture. But are they victims? Is there, as many would claim, a “war on religion?”

More at http://news.yahoo.com/christians-not-victims-040000977--politics.html
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Re: CBCP vs. The Modern World
« Reply #63 on: Oct 09, 2014 at 09:17 AM »
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Re: CBCP vs. The Modern World
« Reply #64 on: Oct 09, 2014 at 09:34 AM »
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Re: CBCP vs. The Modern World
« Reply #65 on: Oct 09, 2014 at 12:32 PM »
The relevance and influence of CBCP is slowly eroding its influence in society because of education, mass media and the Internet.

So in our time they may matter but 1-2 decades time they'll be as influential in politics as the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops.

An example of eroding influence is the fact that the RH Bill became law. Kulang na lang yung gay marriage, divorce, death penalty and ultimately legalized abortion.
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Re: CBCP vs. The Modern World
« Reply #66 on: Oct 09, 2014 at 01:32 PM »
Quote from: Ice Storm on Oct 09, 2014 at 12:32 PM
The relevance and influence of CBCP is slowly eroding its influence in society because of education, mass media and the Internet.

So in our time they may matter but 1-2 decades time they'll be as influential in politics as the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops.

An example of eroding influence is the fact that the RH Bill became law. Kulang na lang yung gay marriage, divorce, death penalty and ultimately legalized abortion.

never under estimate the power of the Roman Catholic... it adopts...
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Re: CBCP vs. The Modern World
« Reply #67 on: Oct 09, 2014 at 05:12 PM »
Quote from: dpogs on Oct 09, 2014 at 01:32 PM
never under estimate the power of the Roman Catholic... it adopts...
With the many many unwanted babies caused by their stand on contraception and abortion they should consider adopting them. :)
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Re: CBCP vs. The Modern World
« Reply #68 on: Oct 09, 2014 at 05:20 PM »
Quote from: Ice Storm on Oct 09, 2014 at 05:12 PM
With the many many unwanted babies caused by their stand on contraception and abortion they should consider adopting them. :)

yes... they take something and make it their own... whether by sword or by cross....
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Re: CBCP vs. The Modern World
« Reply #69 on: Oct 09, 2014 at 05:32 PM »
Quote from: dpogs on Oct 09, 2014 at 05:20 PM
yes... they take something and make it their own... whether by sword or by cross....

what do you mean by this?
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Re: CBCP vs. The Modern World
« Reply #70 on: Oct 09, 2014 at 06:56 PM »
Quote from: dpogs on Oct 09, 2014 at 05:20 PM
yes... they take something and make it their own... whether by sword or by cross....
Quote from: leomarley on Oct 09, 2014 at 05:32 PM
what do you mean by this?

Matalinhaga si dpogs!
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Re: CBCP vs. The Modern World
« Reply #71 on: Oct 10, 2014 at 10:55 AM »
Quote from: dpogs on Oct 09, 2014 at 05:20 PM
yes... they take something and make it their own... whether by sword or by cross....
Quote from: leomarley on Oct 09, 2014 at 05:32 PM
what do you mean by this?

Habang hinihintay natin ang sagot si sir dpogs, makikisabat muna ako...

I think sir dpogs is referring to the practice of forced conversion by Catholicism during the middle ages.

Parang sa Philippines, dumating ang Spaniards, dala ang "cross" (Catholicism).  Maraming nag convert sa Catholicism (I refuse to call it "Christianity").  Pero ayaw ng Muslims.  Ang solution --- "sword" or forced conversion by violence, which they called "bellum iustum" (just war) or "bellum sacrum" (holy war). 

In other words, ang approach during those times, kumbinsihin n'yo; pero pag ayaw, patayin n'yo...  :D 

Pero wala nang ganon sa Catholic Church ngayon, siyempre.
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Re: CBCP vs. The Modern World
« Reply #72 on: Oct 10, 2014 at 12:15 PM »
Quote from: barrister on Oct 10, 2014 at 10:55 AM

Habang hinihintay natin ang sagot si sir dpogs, makikisabat muna ako...

I think sir dpogs is referring to the practice of forced conversion by Catholicism during the middle ages.

Parang sa Philippines, dumating ang Spaniards, dala ang "cross" (Catholicism).  Maraming nag convert sa Catholicism (I refuse to call it "Christianity").  Pero ayaw ng Muslims.  Ang solution --- "sword" or forced conversion by violence, which they called "bellum iustum" (just war) or "bellum sacrum" (holy war). 

In other words, ang approach during those times, kumbinsihin n'yo; pero pag ayaw, patayin n'yo...  :D 

Pero wala nang ganon sa Catholic Church ngayon, siyempre.

tama ka po... i am referring sa panahon na iyon... but i believe nangyayari pa rin yan ngayon... though wala ng sword :)

paano ba dumadami o nagkakaroon ng bagong member ang Roman Catholic ngayon.... most of us here... paano ba tayo naging katoliko dati? is it your own will?
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Re: CBCP vs. The Modern World
« Reply #73 on: Oct 10, 2014 at 12:47 PM »
I do not mind being Catholic. I am what they call cafeteria Catholicism, I pick and choose what makes sense to me.
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Re: CBCP vs. The Modern World
« Reply #74 on: Oct 10, 2014 at 06:52 PM »
Quote from: dpogs on Oct 10, 2014 at 12:15 PM
paano ba dumadami o nagkakaroon ng bagong member ang Roman Catholic ngayon.... most of us here... paano ba tayo naging katoliko dati? is it your own will?

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Re: CBCP vs. The Modern World
« Reply #75 on: Oct 10, 2014 at 07:30 PM »
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Re: CBCP vs. The Modern World
« Reply #76 on: Oct 14, 2014 at 01:51 PM »
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Re: CBCP vs. The Modern World
« Reply #77 on: Oct 14, 2014 at 01:57 PM »
Quote from: Klaus Weasley on Oct 14, 2014 at 01:51 PM
Catholic Church could reform stands on divorce and homosexuality.



If the Church can accept evolution, how come it still debating its stand on homosexuality and divorce?

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Re: CBCP vs. The Modern World
« Reply #78 on: Oct 14, 2014 at 04:41 PM »
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Re: CBCP vs. The Modern World
« Reply #79 on: Oct 14, 2014 at 05:31 PM »
Quote from: Nelson de Leon on Oct 14, 2014 at 04:41 PM
Hindi ko maintindihan ang stand nila dati with regards to this topic.

They want to be more compassionate and understanding towards homosexuals but at the same time they are very hesitant of letting go of their belief that homosexuality is an "inherent disorder" and that gays are better off just living chaste lives if they want to remain in the Church.

Despite the fact that medical science has already proven that homosexuality is natural and not a mental disorder over 40 years ago, the more conservative factions within the Church flat-out refuse to accept it.

I'm guessing that there are people in the Church who sense that more and more people have become more accepting of homosexuality and realize rightly that the Church must change with the times but at the same time these same people do not want to alienate the more conservative people in the Church.
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Re: CBCP vs. The Modern World
« Reply #80 on: Oct 14, 2014 at 07:28 PM »
it's Evolution at work. it's either you adapt or you die.
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Re: CBCP vs. The Modern World
« Reply #81 on: Oct 15, 2014 at 01:21 AM »
Klaus Weasley: "....that medical science has already proven that homosexuality is natural and not a mental disorder over over 40 years ago... "

says who, Klaus Weasley  ?


since you started it (again)..

may i share
Joseph Sciambra: How Our Lord Jesus Christ Saved Me From Homosexuality, Pornography, and the Occult
http://www.josephsciambra.com/2014/10/family-synod-statement-on-homosexuality.html
[ that many of those with homosexual inclinations are incredibly empathetic towards the sufferings of others; mainly because we have endured much throughout our childhoods - either from abuse or neglect.  ]

THE VINS SANTIAGO STORY
http://mandalaganbaptistchurch.wordpress.com/2013/11/29/the-vins-santiago-story-mmk-full-movie/

Jesus Christ Saved Me from 27 Years of Homosexuality
http://illbehonest.com/jesus-christ-saved-me-from-27-years-of-homosexuality-david-upton


if i may digress further
Science Facts on Homosexual Unions
Monday, December 5, 2011
http://primacyofreason.blogspot.com/2011/12/science-facts-on-same-sex-marriage.html

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Re: CBCP vs. The Modern World
« Reply #82 on: Oct 15, 2014 at 01:45 AM »
i told you... they dont just adopt... they also adapt... that is why never under estimate Roman Catholic... we may be think at first lost its power over the Philippines but its not...
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Re: CBCP vs. The Modern World
« Reply #83 on: Oct 15, 2014 at 02:55 AM »
update:

good news, at this point in time...

Bishops insist homosexuality still a sin as Vatican plays down opening to gays
 By ANGUS MACKINNON, Agence France-PresseOctober 15, 2014 12:11am

http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/story/383574/news/world/bishops-insist-homosexuality-still-a-sin-as-vatican-plays-down-opening-to-gays
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Re: CBCP vs. The Modern World
« Reply #84 on: Oct 15, 2014 at 05:05 AM »
What the Vatican Really Said About Homosexuality

It's not the big shift people think it is

http://time.com/3502522/pope-francis-vatican-catholic-church-homosexuality/
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Re: CBCP vs. The Modern World
« Reply #85 on: Oct 15, 2014 at 11:10 AM »
Quote from: bass_nut on Oct 15, 2014 at 01:21 AM
if i may digress further
Science Facts on Homosexual Unions
Monday, December 5, 2011
http://primacyofreason.blogspot.com/2011/12/science-facts-on-same-sex-marriage.html



Ummm, a lot of these "facts" are extrapolated from the Regnerus study which was widely discredited by the mainstream scientific, medical, psychological and psychiatric community. It also links to the Family Research Council, a super conservative anti-LGBT hate group, only a few notches above the Westboro Baptist Church. A lot of these groups have exported anti-LGBT type of Christianity to Africa and Russia where being LGBT is illegal and carries heavy prison sentences and even death.

I suggest you check out more reputable studies on LGBT people, bass_nut, like these:

American Psychological Association on sexual orientation

All the objective research on the effects of children being raised by same sex couples.

Homosexuality is found in nature and therefore is NATURAL.

bass_nut, I hate to break this to you but you may be sighing a breath of relief now that the Church is still sort-of, kind of on your side (although I suspect, you probably want science and the government to round all LGBT's and have them "normalized" if not outright exterminated because you seem to be far too narrow-minded, stubborn, self-righteous and stuck-in-your-ways to have to deal with people being "different") but I think you will live to see the day when the Church will officiate/bless same sex marriages/unions.

The Church of course is pussy-footing because they know that a significant chunk of their money come from people like you.




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Re: CBCP vs. The Modern World
« Reply #86 on: Oct 15, 2014 at 04:42 PM »
Kapag sinabi kong homosexuality (an act - not the person) is a sin...
Kapag sinabi kong attraction to opposite sex is some sort of phycological disorder...

eto ang ibabalik sa akin ng mga supporter ng LGBT... i am a faggot, narrow-minded, stubborn, self-righteous and will accuse me as homosexual hater (as if we want them kill)...

sino ngayon ay may hate issue?


kapag ba sinabi kong kasalanan ang homosexuality... ibig bang sabihin noon na gusto na naming patayin o galit na agad kami sa isang homosexual? galit ako sa homosexuality (is because i view it as a sin) but not to the person... i still believe that in some cases (most of them)... open rebuke is better than secret love :)

kapag ba sinabi naming ang homosexualty ay isang sakit at kailangan ng panglunas... ibig bang sabihin noon ay kinamumuhian na namin ang taong may sakit?

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Re: CBCP vs. The Modern World
« Reply #87 on: Oct 15, 2014 at 04:45 PM »
Quote from: dpogs on Oct 15, 2014 at 04:42 PM
Kapag sinabi kong homosexuality (an act - not the person) is a sin...
Kapag sinabi kong attraction to opposite sex is some sort of phycological disorder...

Kasi nga, hindi sya sin. Hindi rin sya disorder. Kaya wag ng ipilit na merong mali o abnormal o kailangang gamutin sa kanila.
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Re: CBCP vs. The Modern World
« Reply #88 on: Oct 15, 2014 at 05:17 PM »
Quote from: bumblebee on Oct 15, 2014 at 04:45 PM
Kasi nga, hindi sya sin. Hindi rin sya disorder. Kaya wag ng ipilit na merong mali o abnormal o kailangang gamutin sa kanila.

well... i voice out my opinion... and by simply voicing opinion and belief... madali nang husgahan na kami ay homosexual hater... na kami ay narrowminded (this apply on both side) parehong nagmamatigasan at narrowminded sa kanikanilang paniniwala...

as far as the catholic and modern world is concern... someday this two will merge... Roman Catholic will embrace what the majority of this world wants and modern wolrd will learn to accept Roman Catholic's purpose...

kung noon hindi naniniwala ang RC na ang sun ang center ng solar system... someday/sooner or later RC (specifically Pope) will accept homosexuality and will not condemn homosexuals/bisexuals/etc and still stay in power...

i dont know... siguro halos lahat ng RC members ngayon ang sasabihin ay... kung ano lang ang gusto ko sa RC iyon lang inaabsorb ko... ill get what i think is right for me... but will stay as RC member... tsk...

never understimate the organization of Bishops...

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Re: CBCP vs. The Modern World
« Reply #89 on: Oct 15, 2014 at 05:23 PM »
Quote from: dpogs on Oct 15, 2014 at 05:17 PM
well... i voice out my opinion... and by simply voicing opinion and belief... madali nang husgahan na kami ay homosexual hater... na kami ay narrowminded (this apply on both side) parehong nagmamatigasan at narrowminded sa kanikanilang paniniwala...

Ang problema kasi, we used the word "sin" and "disorder" sa opinion natin. Diyos ba tayo to know it's a sin? Are we medical experts to say it can be a disorder?
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