Topic: The Religion Thread

[dpogs]

13 Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God.

Will you subject yourself to the governing authorities if it dictates you not to worship God?

Will you obey the government if it forbid you to speak the name of God?

Follow the governing authority if it only follows God's authority.

Ex. Daniel

I will rather obey God rathen than to obey men/law of thid land.

As soon as the law of the land contradicts God's command, we are to disobey the law of the land and obey God's law.

[pTrader]

Will you subject yourself to the governing authorities if it dictates you not to worship God?

Will you obey the government if it forbid you to speak the name of God?

Follow the governing authority if it only follows God's authority.

Ex. Daniel

I will rather obey God rathen than to obey men/law of thid land.

As soon as the law of the land contradicts God's command, we are to disobey the law of the land and obey God's law.

read pa more on Romans 13

[Nelson de Leon]

Cherry picking the Bible is not a good study habit. The verses should not clash with each other. If it does, then probably there's something wrong with the interpretation.

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[dpogs]

Cherry picking the Bible is not a good study habit. The verses should not clash with each other. If it does, then probably there's something wrong with the interpretation.

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Evil leaders (even pastors/priest/church leaders) usually use that verse (particularly Rom 13) to control their members for their own personal agenda. - "Kapag hindi kayo sumunod sa akin bilang isang pinuno, nagkakasala kayo sa mata ng Diyos kaya gawin niyo anuman ang ipapagawa ko at tumahimik na lang kayo."


We need to "subject" ourselves to governing authorities/laws here on earth but we must only "follow" God's law.

I cant follow any leader if their policies and ideals/plans are against the Word of God and if by doing so I am bound to be jailed (or even killed) by not following that leader then I will subject myself sa kung anuman ang katumbas na kaparusahan ayon sa batas ng tao.

[dpogs]

Using your line of reasoning, since Jesus was condemned by the majority of the Jews, that means he was wrong, and the majority of the Israelites must be right. 

Parang line of reasoning lang ni Manny Pac-U. 

Also, using Sir Jerix line of reasoning, since Christianity have the biggest number of beleivers all other religion is wrong.

The Bible is the main source of Christianitys faith, therefore it is right since majority thinks it is right all other books or faith is wrong.


And by year 2070, Islam faith will take over Christianity, then Islam will be right then.

Tsk bad trip

[dpogs]

Which god? So you saying that god you are referring to is the right god and everybody else's is wrong?

Following Jerix reasoning - God of Christianity since as of today they have the biggest number/population. Maybe not comes year 2070

[dpogs]

But if you combined all those who didnt beleive in Christianity then it becomes wrong since more or less 5Billion thinks Christianity is wrong...

Ahhhh atheist ....tsk... They are all wrong all this time... Kakaunti lang kayo...

You are correct with your belief! Nobody questions your stand on matters but don't be too conceited to judge others and impose upon them that your belief is the correct way and the belief of others is wrong because ultimately, the measure is always in the numbers.

[Klaus Weasley]

Ahhhh atheist ....tsk... They are all wrong all this time... Kakaunti lang kayo...

But they're rising.

[rascal101]

Madagdag daw ng isa o dalawa "rising" pa rin ...

[tony]

[oweidah]

http://www.interaksyon.com/article/137270/pope-suggests-better-to-be-atheist-than-hypocritical-catholic

AMEN

[tony]

best to be a good person in general.....

after all did not Jesus asked his disciples to love one another?
to me this is the strongest message of them all....

[JT]

http://www.interaksyon.com/article/137270/pope-suggests-better-to-be-atheist-than-hypocritical-catholic

Hmmm, I find this a stupid quote considering coming from someone who suppose to know the bible. Atheist and hypocrital christian(not just catholic) are no better than the other. Bible says both will be condemned.

best to be a good person in general.....

after all did not Jesus asked his disciples to love one another?
to me this is the message of the of it all....

What do you mean by "to be a good person in general"? You mean if good works outnumber your bad ones? Does a generally good person automatically earns him/her salvation?

If so what is your understanding on Ephesians 2:8-9 "For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that NOT OF YOURSELVES; it is the gift of God, NOT OF WORKS, lest anyone should boast."?

[tony]

What do you mean by "to be a good person in general"? You mean if good works outnumber your bad ones? Does a generally good person automatically earns him/her salvation?

i mean just be good and love your neighbor, period.....did i mention salvation? ikaw lang yon...

do not give me your bible crap, it does not work for me the way you present it....

[JT]

i mean just be good and love your neighbor, period.....did i mention salvation? ikaw lang yon...

do not give me your bible crap, it does not work for me the way you present it....

I'm not trying to make it work on you.  You have already decided your faith (and your fate).

I'm concern about other people reading the post here. They need to know what the bible has to say about it. And they decide what they want to believe.

We have accountability in what we say in this topic as you can make other people stumble.  Mark 9:42  says “But whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in Me to stumble, it would be better for him if a millstone were hung around his neck, and he were thrown into the sea."

[tony]

my God does not threaten, nor teaches hate for another.....my God is all about love....

what if one day Jesus came back and tells you, what bible? i never said those words? what then?

[JT]

my God does not threaten, hor hate another.....my God is all about love....

Obviously you follow a different god.  Not the God as what the bible reveals.     

[JT]

what if one day Jesus came back and tells you, what bible? i never said those words? what then?

"What if" Nah, I'm am sure about the bible as the Word of God.  If you will only take time to study it, understand it, meditate on it, and experience God's power thru it.  You will know also and not doubt.
 
 

[tony]

Obviously you follow a different god.  Not the God as what the bible reveals.     

how can you even say that?

[tony]

"What if" Nah, I'm am sure about the bible as the Word of God.  If you will only take time to study it, understand it, meditate on it, and experience God's power thru it.  You will know also and not doubt.
 
 

i have read it but not memorized it.....i am after the meat of the bible,
not the words on it that men wrote a good 80 years after Christ and
meddled on by the powers that be at the time...

[JT]

how can you even say that?

Could you find a verse that supports you claims altogether? You are only looking at one side of God's nature and character.

[JT]

i have read it but not memorized it.....i am after the meat of the bible,
not the words on it that men wrote a good 80 years after Christ and
meddled on by the powers that be at the time...

You don't have to memorize all of it . You need to understand its principles. Thats why you meditate on it to get revelations from the Word.

[tony]

typical response.....

Could you find a verse that supports you claims altogether? You are only looking at one side of God's nature and character.

[JT]

typical response.....

How can you really make your claims about God if you don't even understand the bible? your basis is your own, and you want to convince people on that??? You want people to put their faith in what you say?

These things I write are not on my own. It is in the bible.

[tony]

even a learned in the bible can be mislead.....
how can you know what i know? i never pretend to know what you know.....you are typical of a bible reader....
do you know what is in my heart of hearts?
i am not here to make you believe nor any other....

How can you really make your claims about God if you don't even understand the bible? your basis is your own, and you want to convince people on that??? You want people to put their faith in what you say?

These things I write are not on my own. It is in the bible.

[JT]

even a learned in the bible can be mislead.....

how can you know what i know? i never pretend to know what you know.....you are typical of a bible reader....
do you know what is in my heart of hearts?

i am not here to make you believe nor any other....

I agree. No one knows everything.  The bible says "for we know in part and we prophecy in part" .

But what you are saying is obviously wrong according to the Bible (not by my word).  Its does'nt take a genius to understand it. No need to discern the heart.

I'm not saying you are a bad person. But bible is clear that being a good person does not earn your way to heaven nor even make you a better person than the others  (whether atheist,  murderers, etc.). Because without making Jesus Christ as our Lord (to rule over us in everything), we all have fallen short to God's standard.

[Nelson de Leon]

what if one day Jesus came back and tells you, what bible? i never said those words? what then?

i have read it but not memorized it.....i am after the meat of the bible,
not the words on it that men wrote a good 80 years after Christ and
meddled on by the powers that be at the time...

I am always amused by the way you answer questions master Tony.  But since you said na:

i am after the meat of the bible,

in your words:

what if one day Jesus came back and tells you, what bible? i never said those words? what then?

What then? 

Note: Never meant to ask you in a disrespectful way. Just curious lang din ako for your answer.

[bumblebee]

 

Atheist and hypocrital christian(not just catholic) are no better than the other. Bible says both will be condemned.

Bad Bible, bad.

[tony]

I am always amused by the way you answer questions master Tony.  But since you said na:

in your words:

What then? 

Note: Never meant to ask you in a disrespectful way. Just curious lang din ako for your answer.

i have no answer but this....

[Nelson de Leon]

Atheist and hypocrital christian(not just catholic) are no better than the other. Bible says both will be condemned.

Bad Bible, bad.

At first glance I have to agree with you. However, let us try to identify each.

Atheist = A person who doesn't believe in God.

How can an atheist be in heaven (kingdom of God) if he doesn't believe that the said God and His kingdom doesn't exist? Parang illogical di ba?

hypocrital christian = medjo vague sa aking ng unti ang desciption pero let's try the dictionary:

adjective
1.
of the nature of hypocrisy, or pretense of having virtues, beliefs, principles, etc., that one does not actually possess:
The parent who has a “do what I say and not what I do” attitude can appear hypocritical to a child.
2.
possessing the characteristics of hypocrisy :

Being a hypocrite in his current status I think will not go to heaven. Maniniwala ba naman ba tayo na may hypocrite sa heaven? I am assuming wala.

However, being a hypocrite or atheist, there is still a way or can go to heaven. So kung baga, may pag-asa. Hehe! Have I xplained it clearly ba? Medjo i'm not good at expressing myself minsan thru typing.