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Re: PBA Season 37
« Reply #60 on: Oct 31, 2011 at 10:36 AM »
Yup, Joseph Yeo was clutch ..... during his UAAP stint, when DLSU's Filam lineup ruled the league.

His game flourished under SLR's Boyet Fernandez' quick motion offense (and stymied under COKE's Binky Favis' slowdown game) where he didn't take much outside shots.

He got PT under PETRON's Siot Tanquincen, as Hontiveros' chief sub ..... he still got PT under Ato Agustin, albeit decreased minutes, yet still played behind a tougher Jojo Duncil last season.

His PETRON stint is a disappointment so far, since he's never adjusted his game to the advanced defenses that teams employ now ...... his jumpshot is still erratic at best.

It's just unfortunate that SMC chooses to hoard decent players, even those not given the minutes e.g. Yeo, Jimbo Aquino, Celino Cruz, etc ..... rather than trade them to other teams who can utilize their talents & give them the PT.

On the flipside, more than a few benched SMC players have been known to decline offers from other teams ...... choosing the bench life (or limited minutes) & receiving an SMC "salary" of course e.g. Homer Se, Dorian Pena, Junthy Valenzuela, etc


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Re: PBA Season 37
« Reply #61 on: Oct 31, 2011 at 03:29 PM »
PETRON has long been shallow on the SG position ...... the main reason why they're struggling a bit.

Lutz has been playing great, however he has been overworked & has seen little relief from the bench (IMO Yeo has been a disappointment since PETRON traded for him).

The big reason they won last conference, was the import Anthony Grundy - who was the perfect fit at SG ..... and to an extent, Jojo Duncil, who provided a little bit of everything for PETRON.

I would say that Jay Washington's sidelining was a great blessing to PETRON since it absolutely freed-up Arwind Santos' game, which is best served when he freelances rather than wait on the wings (which he always did when Washington was around).

True PBA fans should be very worried if PETRON continues to slide ...... if the losing continues, expect another set of lopsided trades to benefit PETRON.

Note that more than half of PETRON's current lineup came from WTF trades from Bert Lina's pimp teams FEDEX/AIR21/BURGER KING.

I wouldn't be surprised to see extremely promising rookies Dylan Ababou and/or Alain Maliksi being suddenly "traded" to PETRON or the two other SMC teams.

SMC has that big a warchest (not to mention Danding Cojuangco's life mantra of winning-at-all-costs) ..... while Bert Lina just loves that moolah (Arwind Santos for P20M anyone?).



Hontiveros always got the job done at the SG position. They got Fonacier to help but traded him to Alaska. They also got Tugade but they got him already injured and had to wait for him to get better. Unfortunately Tugade has yet to recover the form he showed when he played for Red Bull under Guiao.

Yeo really is a big disappointment. Bonbon Custodio played better and contributed more when he was still with San Miguel.

Lutz will continue to be overworked until Hontiveros comes back.

Grundy was a very big factor in Petron's winning last conference's Championship series. Duncil may have contributed a little bit of everything, toughness, some points, hustle, rebounds, steals but all the remaining Petron players contributed the same things. Pennisi, Salvacion, Hubalde, Guevarra, and Baclao contributed too. But what really helped was the rejuvenated play of Ildefonso, the unexpected offense from Miranda, and the consistent play of Santos and Cabagnot.

Arwind Santos still plays the same way. The only difference now is that he is either the first or second option in their offense. With Washington around, Santos is usually relegated to the second or third option.

Trades are inevitable. Teams would like to get better players. The Commissioner's office tries to make the deals fair, at least, that is what it says.

Talk n Text also benefited from lopsided deals. They got Kelly Williams and Ryan Reyes and Japeth Aguilar too from questionable deals. And now they have the most powerful and aggressive team, if not the best team in the PBA.

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Re: PBA Season 37
« Reply #62 on: Oct 31, 2011 at 03:48 PM »
si Therlyn Alcuitas ba to?

yup, that's her.. girlfriend ni Dylan Ababou..

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Re: PBA Season 37
« Reply #63 on: Oct 31, 2011 at 03:57 PM »
Yup, Joseph Yeo was clutch ..... during his UAAP stint, when DLSU's Filam lineup ruled the league.

His game flourished under SLR's Boyet Fernandez' quick motion offense (and stymied under COKE's Binky Favis' slowdown game) where he didn't take much outside shots.

He got PT under PETRON's Siot Tanquincen, as Hontiveros' chief sub ..... he still got PT under Ato Agustin, albeit decreased minutes, yet still played behind a tougher Jojo Duncil last season.

His PETRON stint is a disappointment so far, since he's never adjusted his game to the advanced defenses that teams employ now ...... his jumpshot is still erratic at best.

It's just unfortunate that SMC chooses to hoard decent players, even those not given the minutes e.g. Yeo, Jimbo Aquino, Celino Cruz, etc ..... rather than trade them to other teams who can utilize their talents & give them the PT.

On the flipside, more than a few benched SMC players have been known to decline offers from other teams ...... choosing the bench life (or limited minutes) & receiving an SMC "salary" of course e.g. Homer Se, Dorian Pena, Junthy Valenzuela, etc



Celino Cruz is now with Powerade, and he plays behind Casio and Lingganay. I think Cruz not getting playing time is due to the coach's prerogative. Helterbrand, during his prime, was played almost the whole game by Siot/Jong. The other pointguards in Ginebra's line-up, Cruz included, saw limited playing time.

Homer Se came to Ginebra injured. SMC and its sister teams are known to cover a player's recovery expenses and if he is given a "salary" while recuperating, I don't think the player would entertain any offers from other teams. Some  recent players who probably benefited from this are, Seigle, Tugade, and Valenzuela. Menk, Washington and Husseini are also probably getting this same treatment. I don't think Se is in Ginebra's current line-up.

Is Valenzuela still active?

Pena is now with Barako Bull and he still rides the bench due to his propensity to foul.


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Re: PBA Season 37
« Reply #64 on: Oct 31, 2011 at 05:38 PM »
Hontiveros always got the job done at the SG position. They got Fonacier to help but traded him to Alaska. They also got Tugade but they got him already injured and had to wait for him to get better. Unfortunately Tugade has yet to recover the form he showed when he played for Red Bull under Guiao.

Yeo really is a big disappointment. Bonbon Custodio played better and contributed more when he was still with San Miguel.

Lutz will continue to be overworked until Hontiveros comes back.

Grundy was a very big factor in Petron's winning last conference's Championship series. Duncil may have contributed a little bit of everything, toughness, some points, hustle, rebounds, steals but all the remaining Petron players contributed the same things. Pennisi, Salvacion, Hubalde, Guevarra, and Baclao contributed too. But what really helped was the rejuvenated play of Ildefonso, the unexpected offense from Miranda, and the consistent play of Santos and Cabagnot.

Arwind Santos still plays the same way. The only difference now is that he is either the first or second option in their offense. With Washington around, Santos is usually relegated to the second or third option.

Trades are inevitable. Teams would like to get better players. The Commissioner's office tries to make the deals fair, at least, that is what it says.

Talk n Text also benefited from lopsided deals. They got Kelly Williams and Ryan Reyes and Japeth Aguilar too from questionable deals. And now they have the most powerful and aggressive team, if not the best team in the PBA.

Yup, TnT did also benefit from lopsided deals ..... however, it was through a different route - Kelly Williams & Ryan Reyes were acquired as part of MVP's purchasing the old SANTA LUCIA franchise (for their new team MERALCO).

MVP and SLR's Buddy Encarnado further justified the deal by committing both Williams & Reyes to the GILAS squad - which they actually did, albeit a conference late (Toroman eventually passed on Reyes since he already had Lutz, Lassiter, etc).

As for Japeth Aguilar, I give a pass on TnT for this - since it was clear that most was Aguilar's fault ....... he signed on to the draft & was picked 1st overall. A few days after the draft, he announced that he wont sign with BURGER KING, choosing to go to GILAS instead.

MVP proposed a compromise and traded for Aguilar ...... which they eventually did, then gave him to GILAS for a full 2 years.

Trades are indeed inevitable, however the kind of trades that SMC makes with Bert Lina's pimp teams (also with George Chua's old RED BULL team) defies all sense of inegrity and fair play.

Right of the bat (there are some more which I'll refrain from posting ... re: long post)

** BERT LINA trading Arwind Santos (BPC & MVP runner-up, 3-time defensive team) to SMB for Marc Pingris & Ken Bono ..... Pingris was "magically" transferred to PUREFOODS a day later, while Ken Bono was never signed.

** BERT LINA's team made history when they got the 1st 3-picks for the 2010 draft. I cant recall any other team in any pro-sport anywhere, getting the 1st 3-picks for any draft.

After a single conference, they "traded" away these 3-picks (Al-Hussaini, Baclao & Guevarra) to SMB for Pena, Seigle, Artadi & Hontiveros.

This trade absolutely destroyed the essence of a professional draft - giving first dibs to the last finishers, so they can rebuild by the drafting the best young talent available.

** BERT LINA's team trading away the 2011 3rd overall pick to SMB ...... for SMB's 2011 8th overall pick & 2014 1st round pick.

This years draft was the most top-heavy draft in recent memory ....... how can one team trade away a surefire 3rd pick (which turned out to be Chris Lutz) for a gamble on the 8th pick??

By the way, BERT LINA also included their best SG (Hontiveros) & then best bigman (Sharma) in the deal ..... for the rights to Salvacion & Pennisi.

They also mysteriously relegated their best PG (Urbiztondo) to the unrestricted list ..... a few days later, he was in a a BMEG uniform. 

** BERT LINA's team trading away JR Reyes to ALASKA for Joe Devance ...... lopsided since Devance was then the seasons stats leader - however it was a deal that needs to be done since Devance wanted out of ALASKA (despite already receiving the max salary).

About a week later, Devance was "traded" to BMEG ..... for the rights to Salvador & Canaleta (who was eventually "traded" to GINEBRA).



The funny thing about all of this is, Commisioner's commitment to "making all trades fair" ....... why does the Commissioner's office have to watch over trades to begin with ?

Arent trades governed by the usual rules e.g. salaries of tradees must come within a certain %, tradees must both be medically cleared, etc.

Methinks (as does every true follower of the sport) it's because the Commisioner knows that hocus-pocus trades are indeed happening all the time ....... he just needs to "regulate the greed".

Apologies for the long post ...... no alternative but the PBA, due to this damm NBA lockout. 


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Re: PBA Season 37
« Reply #65 on: Oct 31, 2011 at 06:54 PM »
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Right of the bat (there are some more which I'll refrain from posting ... re: long post)
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Apologies for the long post ...... no alternative but the PBA, due to this damm NBA lockout. 



Please do post. It makes for good reading, very informative!

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Re: PBA Season 37
« Reply #66 on: Oct 31, 2011 at 07:04 PM »
TNT was the first team that benefited from the Lina franchise's practice of selling players.. Yancy De Ocampo, Jay Washington, Ren-Ren Ritualo, Mac Cardona and Ranidel De Ocampo..

Yancy was traded for a draft pick after his rookie season.. Jay Washington was traded for Yancy in 2005.. Cardona was traded for then 32-year-old Patrick Fran before he got to play for Air21..  Ritualo was traded together with Patrick Fran for Leo Avenido and draft picks.. Ranidel De Ocampo was traded for an aging Don Allado..

and that Williams/Reyes deal was done before both teams became sister teams kaya walang naging restriction.. it's the same thing Coke did when they traded Hatfield and Reavis to Ginebra before SMC sold their shares back to Coke itself.. Williams and Reyes for Ali Peek, Nic Belasco, Aljamal and Menor.. tapos Peek eventually got back to TNT when TNT traded Cardona to sister team Meralco.. TNT got Williams, Reyes and Peek and lost only Cardona..

TNT or SMC, kung sino mas malaking pera binibigay yun yung magiging ka-deal ng Lina franchise..

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Re: PBA Season 37
« Reply #67 on: Oct 31, 2011 at 07:58 PM »
@boredfilmmaker ...... Yup, TnT did have their share of raiding BERT LINA's pimp teams. They had used Yancy as a trading chip for the longest time.

I'm no fan of TnT either, however I wouldnt consider their trades anywhere near the lopsided-ness of SMC deals.

Hard to believe, but Cardona wasn't as highly touted when he entered the draft - Fran, though aged, still was a perennial defensive team awardee & even lead MOBILINE to Finals/semis stints a few years back, when most of the PBA superstars were playing in then Asian games (even had a missed buzzer-beating jumper that would have won them their first 'chip).

Leo Avenido meanwhile was THE touted super-scorer during his amateur stint ..... just unfortunate that his earlier success wasnt realized in the pros.

Yup, there was no infraction on the Williams/Reyes deals, since SLR still was in the league then. Like I said, it was part of the commitment to purchase it's franchise ....... correct, it was similar to the Reavis/Hatfield, etc trade to GINEBRA.


@brainwashed ..... Dont get me started bro.  ;D

Here goes some more of the SMC-related lopsided deals:

** BERT LINA's team trades away Gary David/Chico Lanete to COKE ...... for Alex Cabagnot/Wesley Gonzales.

Two (2) months later, they trade Cabagnot to SMB for Mike Cortez.
Three (3) months later, they trade Cortez to GINEBRA for Billy Mamaril.
Two (2) months later, they trade Mamaril back to GINEBRA for a future draft pick.

Very obvious that BERT LINA's pimp team was just serving the needs of both SMB & GINEBRA.


** BERT LINA's team trades away recent re-acquisition (he lasted just a month) KG Canaleta & it's 2012 1st round pick to GINEBRA ..... for an aging Willie Miller.

Trade doesnt seem so lopsided, since Miller is still serviceable (though past his prime) ....... however note that BERT LINA included their 1st round pick next year - a draft which is projected to be as top-heavy as the recent one e.g. possible draftees are all the top-notch Filams in the D-League (Filams werent able to enter the recent draft owing to a last-minute requirement about serving 2-conferences in the D-League) .... some more potential draftees are Slaughter, Abueva, etc.


** BERT LINA's team mysteriously relegates their best PG last 2010 season, Josh Urboztondo, to the unrestricted list - which allows him to accept offers from other teams.

Why do this to your best PG ? ..... who almost single-handedly handed them a semis stint during the 2010 2nd conference.

A few days later, Urbiztondo was signed by BMEG to a new contract.


** (This one was way notorious back in 2007) GEORGE CHUA's then RED BULL team trades away their franchise player Enrico Villanueva to SMB for Rommel Adducul (!)

Villanueva was instrumental in RED BULL's 2005 Fiesta Cup Championship, where he also won BPC. To top it off, he was the MVP runner-up in the 2006 season.

What makes this trade extremely fishy ..... it was during this time, when the RTL (Restricted Trade List) was in effect - which means anyone on the list cannot be traded away. Villanueva being the franchise player, was obviously in the list.

In early 2007, Villanueva was mysteriously removed from the RTL & 2-weeks later was traded for PBA-underachiever Rommel Adducul.

When all of media was howling mad about the trade, Tony Chua (then RED BULL manager) justified the trade by saying that Villanueva had "attitude problems" ..... which doesnt hold water at all, since Villanueva was selected by the PBA Board for the National Team pool a few months back.

SLR's Buddy Encarnado said it best ..... "If Enrico had attitude problems, why would we select him for the National Team at all?"

To add to the lunacy, 2 days later, RED BULL trades away Adducul to PUREFOODS for an even greater disappointment in Don Camaso (!) ..... Don Camaso plays out the year for RED BULL, then gets waived at the end of the season.

 
** GEORGE CHUA's then RED BULL team trades away Lordy Tugade/Omanzie Rodriguez to SMB for .... wait for it ...... Migs Noble/Mark Kong (!)

Lordy Tugade was a top-rated SG then & like Villanueva, was also an MVP contender during the 2006 season.

Noble plays a few weeks for RED BULL, then gets waived ..... while Mark Kong was never signed-up.


** GEORGE CHUA's then RED BULL team trades away Kerby Raymundo to PUREFOODS for 2003 draft picks.

Raymundo was instrumental in RED BULL winning a championship the previous year. No need to further expound on the lunacy of this trade.


** GEORGE CHUA's then RED BULL team trades away Larry Fonacier to SMB ..... for Kiko Adriano.

This doesnt sound as lopsided at first, Adriano having a notable UAAP & MBA career ...... however, let's consider that Fonacier was Rookie Of The Year & an All-Star player just a year back.


** GEORGE CHUA's then RED BULL team trades away their only remaining stalwarts in Cyrus Baguio/Celino Cruz to GINEBRA ..... for future draft picks.

Baguio was a Mythical Team member a year back, while Celino Cruz was a very decent PG which any team would love to have (apparently not RED BULL).

This trade was so appaling that Yeng Guiao resigned from RED BULL shortly afterwards.
 

** GEORGE CHUA's then RED BULL team trades away their 2010 7th overall pick to GINEBRA ..... for the god-like Mike Holper.

The 2010 7th pick turns out to be NCAA star John Wilson ..... Mike Holper HARDLY saw playing time for all the teams he has played on.

RED BULL waives Mike Holper after a few weeks .... he is then "signed-up" by his old team SMB.



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Re: PBA Season 37
« Reply #68 on: Nov 01, 2011 at 06:29 AM »
Speaking of TRADES, i wonder when Lina will trade his son in law Winnie Arboleda to another team? Mukhang sya lng ang natitirang original Fed Ex player while others have gone places.
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Re: PBA Season 37
« Reply #69 on: Nov 01, 2011 at 06:48 AM »
Speaking of TRADES, i wonder when Lina will trade his son in law Winnie Arboleda to another team? Mukhang sya lng ang natitirang original Fed Ex player while others have gone places.

Winnie Arboleda is the heart & soul of BERT LINA's pimp teams ...... he will bitch-slap (literally) anyone who comes in the way of the family business.  ;D

What's funny is, any other country in the world - this BERT LINA team and his trade partners would get panned bigtime.

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Re: PBA Season 37
« Reply #70 on: Nov 03, 2011 at 03:43 PM »
the posts above were reasons why i dont watch the PBA anymore, i dont even know where the players are, just like other sports, the PBA being a commercial league was made more commercialized by these moves, gone are the days where yuo see a vergel meneses almost walking in the air everytime he drives, an alvin patrimonio who is an epitome of discipline and hardwork, an allan caidic who shoots the ball like hell but has played like theres no tomorrow all the time, a jojo lastimosa, the guy who actually get me hooked wiht basketball, the 4th quarter man who during the fourth quarter can almost single handedly win the games for alaska,

sa ngayon pag may chane ako makanood while channel browsing, ang nakikita ko parang mga artista, kulang na lang mga make up at mag pomada sa buhok bago mag shoot, mas naeenjoy ko pa ang NCAA.
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Re: PBA Season 37
« Reply #71 on: Nov 04, 2011 at 12:03 PM »
most of the recent trades that happened in the PBA were really lopsided. there were a few, though, that were fair but are overshadowed by the ridiculous ones. the tanduay franchise also entered into lopsided trades, but this was as a protest to the way the franchise was treated then. this was how ginebra was able to acquire eric menk.

i think the PBA should go back to its "2 sister teams" policy. these ridiculos trades did not happen when this policy was in place. ngayon kasi, it's SMC and MVP who seems to dictate player movements. especially SMC who owns 4 teams. MVP, on the other hand, has the money to buy any player he wants for TnT and/or meralco.
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Re: PBA Season 37
« Reply #72 on: Nov 04, 2011 at 12:33 PM »
^ TANDUAY was on it's way out the league when they traded their "name-players" exclusively to SMC teams ..... as a way of sticking it to the PBA, which they called a "San Miguel League".

Eric Menk to GINEBRA, Dondon Hontiveros to SMB, Jeffrey Cariaso/Rudy Hatfield to COKE & Chris Cantonjos to PUREFOODS.

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Those WTF trades (and there are more of them from both SMC & MVP teams) which I've posted earlier, has resulted in league parity to be at an all-time worst ..... which has alienated a lot of the true fans of the sport e.g. most of us here.

The PBA really has become a microcosm of our society ...... the rich (Cojuangco & MVP) thrive & prosper through the hoarding of key resources & assets via questionable means.


By the way, folks shouldn't expect much positive changes in the PBA ...... it's current Commisioner Chito Salud was recently a member of the Board of Directors of PETRON Corporation - handpicked no less, by the original Pacman .... Danding Cojuangco - the greatest crony of the worst dictator this country has ever had.

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Re: PBA Season 37
« Reply #73 on: Nov 04, 2011 at 01:38 PM »
if that's the case, we should be expecting positive changes to the four teams of SMC...
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Re: PBA Season 37
« Reply #74 on: Nov 04, 2011 at 02:03 PM »
if that's the case, we should be expecting positive changes to the four teams of SMC...

3 teams lang.. Petron, Ginebra and B-Meg.. kasi negative yung mangyayari sa Barako.. ;D

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Re: PBA Season 37
« Reply #75 on: Nov 04, 2011 at 02:05 PM »
Win market this season..  

Talk N' Text Tropang Texters - 2.80
Petron Blaze Boosters - 3.70
B-Meg Llamados - 11.50
Ginebra Kings - 8.00
Alaska Aces - 70.00
Rain or Shine Elasto Painters - 9.00
Meralco Boltz - 36.00
Powerade Tigers - 56.00
Barako Bull Energy Drink - 22.00
Shopinas.com Clickers - 200.00
   
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Re: PBA Season 37
« Reply #76 on: Nov 04, 2011 at 11:19 PM »
the posts above were reasons why i dont watch the PBA anymore, i dont even know where the players are, just like other sports, the PBA being a commercial league was made more commercialized by these moves, gone are the days where yuo see a vergel meneses almost walking in the air everytime he drives, an alvin patrimonio who is an epitome of discipline and hardwork, an allan caidic who shoots the ball like hell but has played like theres no tomorrow all the time, a jojo lastimosa, the guy who actually get me hooked wiht basketball, the 4th quarter man who during the fourth quarter can almost single handedly win the games for alaska,

sa ngayon pag may chane ako makanood while channel browsing, ang nakikita ko parang mga artista, kulang na lang mga make up at mag pomada sa buhok bago mag shoot, mas naeenjoy ko pa ang NCAA.

Gone were the Crispa Toyota days when players played their hearts out for pride rather than for money.
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Re: PBA Season 37
« Reply #77 on: Nov 05, 2011 at 02:27 AM »
Gone were the Crispa Toyota days when players played their hearts out for pride rather than for money.

There are times when the players do play for pride rather than money, like the recently concluded championship between Petron and Talk n Text. Though I am sure the players from both teams were promised bonuses, the main motivating factor for winning was pride. For Talk n Text, it was the honor of becoming only the 4th team to win a grandslam while for Petron, it was to show that they deserved to be in the finals, that they were a serious title contender even with a decimated line-up and that they could really win it when no one believe in them but themselves.

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Re: PBA Season 37
« Reply #78 on: Nov 05, 2011 at 06:07 AM »
The thrill of an actual game will always be there ..... 2-teams, 48-minutes.

It's the moves being played outside the court that is destroying the league.

I recall the time when the late CRISPA REDMANIZERS manager Danny Floro, would let go of players - just for being egocentric & shunning team play.

One player that Danny Floro heavily criticized then, was their center Abet Guidaben ..... "magaling ka nga, hindi ka naman marunong makisama sa teammates mo .... " 

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Re: PBA Season 37
« Reply #79 on: Nov 05, 2011 at 09:57 AM »
There are times when the players do play for pride rather than money, like the recently concluded championship between Petron and Talk n Text. Though I am sure the players from both teams were promised bonuses, the main motivating factor for winning was pride. For Talk n Text, it was the honor of becoming only the 4th team to win a grandslam while for Petron, it was to show that they deserved to be in the finals, that they were a serious title contender even with a decimated line-up and that they could really win it when no one believe in them but themselves.

Iba pa rin tlga un passion for the game na pinapakita ng mga players dati. Now its more of pa cute and pogi points.
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Re: PBA Season 37
« Reply #80 on: Nov 05, 2011 at 02:25 PM »
looks like karma's slowly catching up on Petron for hoarding all those players in the past.. 3 star players out in Hontiveros, Washington and Al Hussaini.. 3 game losing streak.. and now, their most consistent and prized rookie is injured.. come to think of it, all SMC teams are on a slump right now.. no team of theirs is above .500.. really surprising given the talent they have..
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Re: PBA Season 37
« Reply #81 on: Nov 05, 2011 at 05:17 PM »
looks like karma's slowly catching up on Petron for hoarding all those players in the past.. 3 star players out in Hontiveros, Washington and Al Hussaini.. 3 game losing streak.. and now, their most consistent and prized rookie is injured.. come to think of it, all SMC teams are on a slump right now.. no team of theirs is above .500.. really surprising given the talent they have..

Thats the price they have to pay for keeping their STARS up in the sky.
Now, they have to deal with their FALLING STARS.
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Re: PBA Season 37
« Reply #82 on: Nov 05, 2011 at 08:59 PM »
Petron wins over Alaska, 86-80. Joseph Yeo, starting in lieu of the injured Lutz, scored 27 points, got 9 rebounds with 4 assists.  ;D

mukhang di pa tuluyan ang pagbagsak ng Petron. :D

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Re: PBA Season 37
« Reply #83 on: Nov 07, 2011 at 08:19 AM »
Petron wins over Alaska, 86-80. Joseph Yeo, starting in lieu of the injured Lutz, scored 27 points, got 9 rebounds with 4 assists.  ;D

mukhang di pa tuluyan ang pagbagsak ng Petron. :D

i have too much confidence in Yeo. Playing time lng tlga ang kulang when he transfered to Petron.
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Re: PBA Season 37
« Reply #84 on: Nov 07, 2011 at 08:42 AM »
^ Great breakthrough game from Yeo ..... it's obviously his best game since coming on-board SMB; nearly 2 years ago.

Like I said, he had a great amateur career & was effective in Boyet Fernandez' Santa Lucia smart motion offense .... but will struggle with slower offenses like Favis' COKE & Tanquincen's SMB, even with PT.

Agustin employs the same slowdown offense - though he has some streaks of Yeng Guiao in him ..... will let his players freelance compared to previous coaches Tanquincen & Uichico. Let's hope that Yeo picks up his game some more. 

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Re: PBA Season 37
« Reply #85 on: Nov 07, 2011 at 10:13 AM »
^ Great breakthrough game from Yeo ..... it's obviously his best game since coming on-board SMB; nearly 2 years ago.

Like I said, he had a great amateur career & was effective in Boyet Fernandez' Santa Lucia smart motion offense .... but will struggle with slower offenses like Favis' COKE & Tanquincen's SMB, even with PT.

Agustin employs the same slowdown offense - though he has some streaks of Yeng Guiao in him ..... will let his players freelance compared to previous coaches Tanquincen & Uichico. Let's hope that Yeo picks up his game some more. 

I always root for Yeng Guiao's team. He makes star players out of players who wont even get playing time in other teams.

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Re: PBA Season 37
« Reply #86 on: Nov 07, 2011 at 10:27 AM »
I always root for Yeng Guiao's team. He makes star players out of players who wont even get playing time in other teams.

yeah but sometimes he goes too far.. that temper of his is very unbecoming of a vice-governor.. he's a good coach and I like him for that but taking cheap shots against a player is something a coach shouldn't do.. players taking cheap shots at each other I can understand.. they are playing a physical sport so may times talaga na nagkakapikonan.. but a coach throwing an elbow at the back of a backpedaling player is unacceptable for me.. Menor may have taunted the Rain or Shine bench after hitting that 3 but he didn't deserve that elbow in the back from Yeng Guiao.. same thing happened before with Dondon Hontiveros nung nasa Red Bull pa si Yeng.. and Dondon didn't even do anything to provoke Yeng then..

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Re: PBA Season 37
« Reply #87 on: Nov 07, 2011 at 11:37 AM »
Yup, Guiao is indeed old school ..... on the court. Met the guy more than a few times off-the-court (seminars, etc) & on those few times, saw that he's a totally different person outside the court.   

Guiao's equal-opportunity offense really does make men out of unheralded/timid players (Enrico Villanueva was never the same when he left Yeng Guiao) ..... though he's fiery sideline demeanor will have parents covering their children's ears with all the swearing.  ;D

For that Menor incident, I actually thought that Menor deserved that bump from behind - you dont go deep in an opposing bench, make taunts, then expect to get away cleanly ...... it was just unfortunate (fortunate) that Guiao was standing inches from Menor, when the taunts came flying. Instincts took over & he apologized just as quickly on the dugout.

For the Hontiveros incident long ago, I dont think that was unprovoked ...... Guiao and his wards have always been known to give the bumps - but rarely unprovoked IMO.

During his 2008 National Team stint, popular guard JJ Helterbrand was tripped dangerously by an opposing (IIRC Syria) player ...... Guiao shouted to his players (for everyone in the stadium to hear) .... "Tirahin niyo na yan"

Even during those exhibition PBA National Team-GILAS matches ..... some GILAS players, particularly Chris Lutz was giving out his fair share of taunts, which caused those games to get more physical.

Guiao is old school ...... Jaworski, Tembong Melencio, etc would be proud.


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Re: PBA Season 37
« Reply #88 on: Nov 07, 2011 at 12:06 PM »
Yup, Guiao is indeed old school ..... on the court. Met the guy more than a few times off-the-court (seminars, etc) & on those few times, saw that he's a totally different person outside the court.    

Guiao's equal-opportunity offense really does make men out of unheralded/timid players (Enrico Villanueva was never the same when he left Yeng Guiao) ..... though he's fiery sideline demeanor will have parents covering their children's ears with all the swearing.  ;D

For that Menor incident, I actually thought that Menor deserved that bump from behind - you dont go deep in an opposing bench, make taunts, then expect to get away cleanly ...... it was just unfortunate (fortunate) that Guiao was standing inches from Menor, when the taunts came flying. Instincts took over & he apologized just as quickly on the dugout.

For the Hontiveros incident long ago, I dont think that was unprovoked ...... Guiao and his wards have always been known to give the bumps - but rarely unprovoked IMO.

During his 2008 National Team stint, popular guard JJ Helterbrand was tripped dangerously by an opposing (IIRC Syria) player ...... Guiao shouted to his players (for everyone in the stadium to hear) .... "Tirahin niyo na yan"

Even during those exhibition PBA National Team-GILAS matches ..... some GILAS players, particularly Chris Lutz was giving out his fair share of taunts, which caused those games to get more physical.

Guiao is old school ...... Jaworski, Tembong Melencio, etc would be proud.


I was at Araneta during that semis game against Red Bull and I'm telling you, Dondon did not deserve that elbow from Yeng Guiao.. that elbow by Yeng Guiao was a cheap shot on the opponents' best player of that series.. I respect old school tactics in a game if there's a valid purpose.. I even understand yung mga cheap shots nung mga Red Bull players dati kasi mga ganti lang yun.. pinipisikal sila so they do the same thing.. but that Hontiveros incident was nothing like it.. Dondon was carrying SMB in that series and Red Bull was facing elimination in that game 6.. it was a desperate move by Yeng Guiao.. Guiao didn't even apologize for that incident..

that Menor incident may have been warranted.. Menor may have deserved it.. but what Guiao did isn't ok.. Guiao likes taunting players lalo na pag malapit sa kanya.. I've seen that happen live.. but nobody ever took cheap shots at him.. yung iba pa nga nagso-sorry pag nabangga sya unintentionally.. if it's ok for Guiao to hit players if his team is taunted then it should also be the same the other way.. players he taunts should also be given the ok to hit back.. taunting is ok, it's part of the game.. throwing elbows isn't.. and sure he apologized after.. but he also called Menor "sira ulo" while doing so..

I like Yeng Guiao's coaching.. he's very capable and he gives opportunities to every player.. I just don't like a good game ruined by some unwarranted cheap shots..
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Re: PBA Season 37
« Reply #89 on: Nov 07, 2011 at 12:29 PM »
That's what I meant .... Guiao will give out the instructions to hit, when he sees that his players are being roughed-up and taunted by opposing players (or getting the short end of the referee's stick .... which was almost a given during those SMB golden years).

Like I said, the man is old school ...... every one of those old-school coaches will do the same & worse.

People should have seen games during the early 80's ..... I saw it all live - elbow to the liver, knees to the groin, spit in the eyes (Big Boy Reynoso, Onchie Dela Cruz, etc).