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4k next big thing?
« on: Feb 17, 2012 at 08:31 PM »
Ever hear of 4k? CES says its the next big thing, (well aside from online distribution). Its going to replace standard blu-rays in the next few years. Its essentailly blu ray but with larger capacity and 4x the resolution.
HD is like 1920x1020 and then 4k its like 4096x2160, which is huge difference and good for those with projectors. Obviously it will be expensive for early adapters.

http://www.hometheater.com/content/4k-revolution
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Re: 4k next big thing?
« Reply #1 on: Apr 29, 2012 at 12:22 PM »
That's already movie grade.  It will be gorgeous in a floor to ceiling 3D LCD display.  

I don't think there will be any consumer grade disc capable of accommodating the required data size for a 1.5 hour movie.  It will have have to come from online cloud computing with video content streamed to your home at broadband speeds exceeding 10 mbps.  
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Re: 4k next big thing?
« Reply #2 on: Apr 29, 2012 at 02:32 PM »
with HEVC and BDXL, this may be a reality for the consumer market within the near future. question is, when will sufficiently large screens that show the benefits of 4K be actually mainstream
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Re: 4k next big thing?
« Reply #3 on: May 04, 2012 at 02:24 PM »
I was chatting recently with the cinematographer for the movie Prometheus and he says that the differences between 2K and 4K are inperceptible to the human eye as far as home cinema is concerned. Would have to be a screen larger than 25 feet to be even slightly noticeable.
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Re: 4k next big thing?
« Reply #4 on: May 04, 2012 at 02:36 PM »
I was chatting recently with the cinematographer for the movie Prometheus and he says that the differences between 2K and 4K are inperceptible to the human eye as far as home cinema is concerned. Would have to be a screen larger than 25 feet to be even slightly noticeable.

if the product is out there, people would still buy it regardless of whether the supposed advantages are perceptible or not.
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Re: 4k next big thing?
« Reply #5 on: May 04, 2012 at 05:48 PM »
marketing rules!  ;D

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Re: 4k next big thing?
« Reply #6 on: May 04, 2012 at 05:58 PM »
Titanic 3D was remastered in 4K and it turned out to be the most "high def" movie I've seen in a theater.

Kung sa home HDTV, why not.  I can see the difference between 1mp and 2mp panels clearly. 8mp should be quite nicer.

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Re: 4k next big thing?
« Reply #7 on: May 04, 2012 at 06:57 PM »
THE handiest way to adopt the 4000-resolution promise is to take the SONY BDP-S790 Blu-ray player. This $250.00 (thats guesstimatedly pegged at P10,750.) consumer-grade BD player has yet to be officially released, no, unleashed to the North American market. Not yet listed on the Amazon site. But some lucky fellows has gotten the earliest stocks, these guys reported in the AVSForum BD thread that the Sony 790 has notches better resolution and sharpness than even the Oppo 93. While their evaluation is not by all means authoritative, one of the early owners whose words on the domain of front projector-high definition player setups is hard to refute - has placed his sober imprimatur on the tangible edge of the 4K image from the Sony against that of the $500 Oppo.

Sony has been commercially wounded now for many years, its impressive TVs dogged with sinking sales (and in the Pinoy context, Bravias are expensive, I myself couldn't own one). But with this trailblazing BD player, Sony has a redeeming product, perhaps an unwitting Oppo killer. A few more quarters and the front projector makers is going to unleashed their 4K beamers too, this is the A/V realm to watch for. For what good is such resolution when used in a mere 50, 60 or 65 inch TV?

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Re: 4k next big thing?
« Reply #8 on: May 04, 2012 at 07:21 PM »
only a handful of monitors and projectors support 4K now:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4K_resolution

all of them are out of reach of most people's budgets.  :(
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Re: 4k next big thing?
« Reply #9 on: May 05, 2012 at 01:33 PM »
^ years back flat panels were not so affordable to the common working guy, but now you know how it is :)
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Re: 4k next big thing?
« Reply #10 on: May 06, 2012 at 11:15 AM »
if the product is out there, people would still buy it regardless of whether the supposed advantages are perceptible or not.

Agreed.

When I relocate to Holland I will be upgrading my projector. Though I doubt if I will go for 4K. It will most probably be a Panasonic 7000.
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Re: 4k next big thing?
« Reply #11 on: Jul 02, 2012 at 08:43 PM »
so far, 4k is the marketing pitch that is being rolled-out on the new AVR products of Denon ... i haven't checked the other brands but it is likely the same case ... it might probably take more time on the local tv market for them to start on 4k products - they are still on the 3D and Smart TV market push ... and on the media, i think they need more than current BD standard to support the expected file sizes
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Re: 4k next big thing?
« Reply #12 on: Jul 07, 2012 at 10:14 AM »
If 4k goes mass market, especially regarding motion pictures, then the studios will rerelease their old movies in the new resolution and empty our pockets once again  ;)

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Re: 4k next big thing?
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Re: 4k next big thing?
« Reply #14 on: Jul 24, 2012 at 05:30 PM »
I dont think so...  ;D

This will be like the LASER disc...  :D
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Re: 4k next big thing?
« Reply #15 on: Jul 25, 2012 at 08:05 AM »
youll probably not aappreciate it with a 50 inch screen.  4k tech is gunning for larger screens bigger than 60 inches. in a 5-6 years time expect screen sizes of 90 inch or more being common.

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Re: 4k next big thing?
« Reply #16 on: Jul 25, 2012 at 10:42 AM »
youll probably not aappreciate it with a 50 inch screen.  4k tech is gunning for larger screens bigger than 60 inches. in a 5-6 years time expect screen sizes of 90 inch or more being common.

Higher resolution => Bigger Screen => Bigger HT => Bigger house  >:(

Would this equate to the 3D effect without glasses?

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Re: 4k next big thing?
« Reply #17 on: Jul 25, 2012 at 10:50 AM »
Higher Rez = Same Screen = Shorter Viewing Distance = Same HT Room/House   ;D

It would equate to wearing contact lenses the very first time.   ;D

Higher resolution => Bigger Screen => Bigger HT => Bigger house  >:(

Would this equate to the 3D effect without glasses?

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Re: 4k next big thing?
« Reply #18 on: Jul 25, 2012 at 02:06 PM »
It would also equate to a new format. Imagine, the two and a half minute uncompressed trailer of Spiderman 4 weighed in at 500GB. And a three-hour movie like Lord of the Rings will take up 3.16TB.
That is 212 standard 25GB Blu-ray discs. :o Not to mention the processing power it needs to play it w/o hiccups.

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Re: 4k next big thing?
« Reply #19 on: Jul 25, 2012 at 07:02 PM »
How about 4K resolution for a 3D viewing. This makes the movie trully HD in terms of each eye seeing 1080p.
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Re: 4k next big thing?
« Reply #20 on: Jul 25, 2012 at 07:12 PM »
It would also equate to a new format. Imagine, the two and a half minute uncompressed trailer of Spiderman 4 weighed in at 500GB. And a three-hour movie like Lord of the Rings will take up 3.16TB.
That is 212 standard 25GB Blu-ray discs. :o Not to mention the processing power it needs to play it w/o hiccups.
4k gives out total immersion.
Sonys trying hard to get new compression formats out. right now an standard 4k movie around 1 to 2 terabytes . imagine the difficulty storing it on a blu ray disk or worse streaming.
this is what sony is cooking up 1tb blu rays.
http://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/sonys-blu-ray-replacement-to-store-1tb-on-a-single-disc/
 there is also another format coming out called red ray.
http://gizmodo.com/379566/red-ray-drive-plays-4k-2k-hd-video-from-red-disc-red-express-and-compactflash

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Re: 4k next big thing?
« Reply #21 on: Aug 03, 2012 at 06:02 AM »
Boy isn't Sony awesome !! haha

4k gives out total immersion.
Sonys trying hard to get new compression formats out. right now an standard 4k movie around 1 to 2 terabytes . imagine the difficulty storing it on a blu ray disk or worse streaming.
this is what sony is cooking up 1tb blu rays.
http://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/sonys-blu-ray-replacement-to-store-1tb-on-a-single-disc/
 there is also another format coming out called red ray.
http://gizmodo.com/379566/red-ray-drive-plays-4k-2k-hd-video-from-red-disc-red-express-and-compactflash

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Re: 4k next big thing?
« Reply #22 on: Aug 22, 2012 at 09:04 AM »
Philippines has not entered the hd age yet and now there touting 8k:
8k streamed on the London Olympics
http://www.hometheater.com/content/8k-television-tests-wow-viewers
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Re: 4k next big thing?
« Reply #23 on: Aug 23, 2012 at 01:36 AM »
4k, 8K will never hit mass market.   Blu-ray and Full HD TVs will be the combo for years to come esp. now that prices for both Full HD TVs and BD players have considerably come down.  I think renting Blue Ray disks will have a market again in countries like the Philippines, Indonesia, India and the like. The combination of highprice BDs, push for DRM and the behavior of most to just watch 1-2x and store or re-sell unwanted BDs are a formula for for-rent original BD market.

Someone is already testing the market with this Blupass gimick. Before you know it, neighborhood for-rent BD stores will sprout like mushrooms and if the optical media board and NTC is smart and really wants to make a significant dent on piracy they will make it mandatory for BD players and/or digital TVs sold in the Philippines to have CINAVIA or another DRM.

 




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Re: 4k next big thing?
« Reply #24 on: Aug 23, 2012 at 03:37 AM »
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Re: 4k next big thing?
« Reply #25 on: Aug 23, 2012 at 07:43 AM »
4K will be absolutely necessary...






if what your trying to achieve at home would be an IMAX style experience (i.e. horizontal viewing angle of 60° or higher)  :D
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« Reply #26 on: Aug 23, 2012 at 08:45 AM »
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Re: 4k next big thing?
« Reply #27 on: Aug 23, 2012 at 08:03 PM »
I've already pre-oredered an ONKYO 616 4K upscaling to be ready when the 4k fever hits the PH
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Re: 4k next big thing?
« Reply #28 on: Aug 23, 2012 at 09:55 PM »
just to infirm you guys that 4k might not be for everyone.:
you really need a large screen for it.
http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-33199_7-57491766-221/why-4k-tvs-are-stupid-still/

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Re: 4k next big thing?
« Reply #29 on: Aug 24, 2012 at 12:42 PM »
just to infirm you guys that 4k might not be for everyone.:
you really need a large screen for it.
http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-33199_7-57491766-221/why-4k-tvs-are-stupid-still/

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