Topic: Iglesia Ni Cristo - 100years of God's blessings

[pekspert]

doctrine "it is better to receive than to give"

[jerix]

Curious lang  boss, so what's the Family (your's) religion ended up now?
Wow your family experience is something to note at now with my usual friendly debate with my INC friends and kamag anak.

For me i got no specific religion to which i identify myself with. I listen to all such that I watch the Sunday mass, tamang daan, dating daan, and all the other religious programs on TV and join the prayer when they do it on TV, with the feelings that I am doing that because of my faith and devotion to my supreme being. My father then encouraged us to open up and follow the dictates of our conscience and since then, I have been open to whatever comes. Until now I have the same view with my wife and children I dont impose anything because sabi ko, following the principle taught by my father, it is your soul that will search what is good for your spirit, because if we all came from one God then whether we like it or not, we will all go back to him in spirit. My children were all baptized under the Catholic religion but my eldest daughter have become an INC now, and i never stopped her. I said to her when she asked permission, that if that is the call of your conscience then go for it. I even attended their "pamamahayag" last Saturday because they were encouraged to invite daw, and she was very happy that i attended. Her being an INC, although I always debate with her on the issue of "pagpapasakop sa pamamahala" thing, it is giving her that spiritual motivation.

My son who is also on his spiritual search was recently discussing to me his own observations on the flaws of the different religions around. Observing that it is indeed religion that is almost causing the division among the people. He also occasioned to ask why do people commit crime and kill one another just to prove that their religion is superior over another. It seems that he has the tendency not to belong to any religious organization now. I encouraged him to open his mind and think more, but i told him that he must always be guided by the universal law on karma that whatever you sow you reap.

[pTrader]

For me i got no specific religion to which i identify myself with. I listen to all such that I watch the Sunday mass, tamang daan, dating daan, and all the other religious programs on TV and join the prayer when they do it on TV, with the feelings that I am doing that because of my faith and devotion to my supreme being. My father then encouraged us to open up and follow the dictates of our conscience and since then, I have been open to whatever comes. Until now I have the same view with my wife and children I dont impose anything because sabi ko, following the principle taught by my father, it is your soul that will search what is good for your spirit, because if we all came from one God then whether we like it or not, we will all go back to him in spirit. My children were all baptized under the Catholic religion but my eldest daughter have become an INC now, and i never stopped her. I said to her when she asked permission, that if that is the call of your conscience then go for it. I even attended their "pamamahayag" last Saturday because they were encouraged to invite daw, and she was very happy that i attended. Her being an INC, although I always debate with her on the issue of "pagpapasakop sa pamamahala" thing, it is giving her that spiritual motivation.

My son who is also on his spiritual search was recently discussing to me his own observations on the flaws of the different religions around. Observing that it is indeed religion that is almost causing the division among the people. He also occasioned to ask why do people commit crime and kill one another just to prove that their religion is superior over another. It seems that he has the tendency not to belong to any religious organization now. I encouraged him to open his mind and think more, but i told him that he must always be guided by the universal law on karma that whatever you sow you reap.

You  will never have any peace or rest at all from religion. The word is near, seek Christ.

Matthew 11:27“All things have been committed to me by my Father. No one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal him.
 
28“Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest.29Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls.30For my yoke is easy and my burden is light.”

[rulesmeister]

^Leave him be, if there is a God I dont think he'll be affiliated with any particular religion either.

   

[tony]

^agree.....leave him be....at this stage, i think that the INC is still in the wilderness trying to find their true identity, in time and eventually they will find it.....when the leaders realize that there are better things than building arenas and living the life of the rich and famous....when the leadership realize that the total well being of members are more important than building edifices that hardly glorifies God....

[pTrader]

^agree.....leave him be....at this stage, i think that the INC is still in the wilderness trying to find their true identity, in time and eventually they will find it.....when the leaders realize that there are better things than building arenas and living the life of the rich and famous....when the leadership realize that the total well being of members are more important than building edifices that hardly glorifies God....

True identity ba?

The One True Church


The Bible clearly teaches that there is only one true Church established by Christ:


“And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, .and the gates of Hades will not overcome it.” (Matthew 16:18 NIV)


The Lord Jesus Christ Himself established the true Church and He established only one Church, He said, “I will build my church” and not “I will build my churches.” This Church has a name and it is important that she continuously be called in that name, because:


“Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved.” (Acts 4:12 NIV)


The Bible said, “there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved.” This “name” is the name God gave to the Lord Jesus:


“And now I am coming to you; I am no longer in the world, but they are in the world. Holy Father! Keep them safe by the power of your name, the name you gave me, so that they may be one just as you and I are one.” (John 17:11 TEV)


The Lord Jesus prayed to God to “Keep them safe by the power of your name.” The name He is referring to is the name given to Him by the Lord God. So the name given to Him by the Lord God is also the name “given to men by which we must be saved.” This is the name “Christ”:


 “Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved.
“Then know this, you and all the people of Israel: It is by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom you crucified but whom God raised from the dead...” (Acts 4:12,10 NIV)


Thus, the true Church established by Christ is named after Christ. It is only right that the true Church is named after Him because:


(1)    Christ is the founder and owner of the Church:


“And I also say to you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build My church, and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it.” (Matthew 16:18, NKJV)


 (2)  The Church is the body of Christ and He is the head of the Church:


“There is a deep secret truth revealed in this scripture, which I understand as applying to Christ and the church.


 “For a husband has authority over his wife just as Christ has authority over the church; and Christ is himself the Savior of the church, his body.
“Husbands, love your wives just as Christ loved the church and gave his life for it.” (Ephesians 5:32 & 23 & 25, TEV)


How is the Church called after the name of Christ? In Romans 16:16, this is what the Bible says:


“Greet one another with a holy kiss. All the churches of Christ send greetings.” (Romans 16:16, NIV)


Also in Acts 20:28, this is what the Bible says:


“Take heed therefore to yourselves and to all the flock over which the Holy Spirit has appointed you overseers to feed the church of Christ which He purchased with His blood.” (Acts 20:28, Lamsa)


Actually, even Catholic authorities attest that the Church is indeed called after Christ, the “Church of Christ”:


“5. Did Jesus Christ established a Church?
   “Yes, from all history, both secular and profane, as well as from the Bible considered as a human document, we learn that Jesus Christ established a Church, which from the earliest times has been called after Him the Christian Church or the Church of Christ.” (Cassily, Francis B., S.J. Religion: Doctrine and Practice for use in Catholic High Schools. 12th and revised edition. Imprimi Potest: Charles H. Cloud, S.J. Provincial of the Chicago Province. Imprimatur: George Cardinal Mundelein, Archbishop of Chicago. Chicago: Loyola University Press, 1934, p. 442-443.)


Thus, the name of the true Church the Lord Jesus Christ established is “Church of Christ” (“Iglesia Ni Cristo” in Pilipino), and those not called in this name cannot claim that they  are the true Church and whom the Lord Jesus Christ will save come Judgment Day because:


“Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved.” (Acts 4:12 NIV)


Thus, no one can claim to be the One True Church if their Church is not called in the name "Church of Christ. The Bible said, "...there is no other name under heaven given to men which we must be saved." The name “Iglesia Ni Cristo” is the Tagalog for “Church Of Christ” - the name of the One True Church.

source: http://theiglesianicristo.blogspot.com/2013/08/what-is-iglesia-ni-cristo.html

[tony]

True identity ba?

you missed me, that is not what i was talking about....read between the lines, you are smart, you will figure it out.....

[pTrader]

you missed me, that is not what i was talking about....read between the lines, you are smart, you will figure it out.....

sensya na copy paste syndrome.. malalim ka masyado.. 

[tony]

sensya na copy paste syndrome.. malalim ka masyado.. 

ipinapalangin ko na naway matagpuan nila sa dako pa roon ng kinabukasan....
it took the RC over 2000 years.....100 pa lang naman ang INC, darating din sila doon...

[ricky]

totoo bang hindi namimigay ng regalo kapag pasko ang mga inc members? kasi may mga agent ang misis ko na hindi sumasali (o namimigay ng pero o inkind) sa mga gift giving program ng kanilang account... pero napapansin nila na tumatanggap ng christmas bunos at hamon

We dont have christmas so that is why we dont celebrate it. We dont give xmas gifts but we give new years gift
As for receiving bonuses and hamon as an employee, i think it is part of their compensation, nagkataon lang na sa xmas ibinibigay ng employer. Kami sa 29th kami nagbibigay sana ng bonuses at gifts pero since most of our employees are non INC, so we give it on the 23rd para ma enjoy nila. Fair naman di ba?

[dpogs]

We dont have christmas so that is why we dont celebrate it. We dont give xmas gifts but we give new years gift
As for receiving bonuses and hamon as an employee, i think it is part of their compensation, nagkataon lang na sa xmas ibinibigay ng employer. Kami sa 29th kami nagbibigay sana ng bonuses at gifts pero since most of our employees are non INC, so we give it on the 23rd para ma enjoy nila. Fair naman di ba?

noted sir. thank you for the clarification. pasa ko to sa misis ko...

[pTrader]

ipinapalangin ko na naway matagpuan nila sa dako pa roon ng kinabukasan....
it took the RC over 2000 years.....100 pa lang naman ang INC, darating din sila doon...

leaning towards reformation...

[tony]

organizations evolve over time to make it more atuned to the times....
i wished that the INC do not meddle in politics....

[raptor]

organizations evolve over time to make it more atuned to the times....
i wished that the INC do not meddle in politics....

they are meddling in a lot of government businesses - if you get a chance to join on government bids, you would know their clout ... and the members that they detained have the reason to be afraid, they just don't have those businesses and money, something else

[tony]

they are meddling in a lot of government businesses - if you get a chance to join on government bids, you would know their clout ... and the members that they detained have the reason to be afraid, they just don't have those businesses and money, something else

scary indeed.....

[jerix]

I believe no religious group can refrain from involving themselves in politics. Politicians go to them for support in exchange of so many things. If these groups can get their way easily in government because of that patronage, why not?

[GIJoe]

"generally nice, respectful and law abading citizens" naman ang sinabi ni sir cooltoyzph. di naman niya nilahat. sa lahat naman ng groups may mga pasaway talaga but that doesn't mean the whole group is pasaway.

Yah general as in lahat din. IMHO

Dapat nilagay di naman lahat pasaway meron pa din naman mga matitino. Like sa ibang relihiyon di lahat matino may luko luko pa din.

[CoolTOYZPH]

I am afraid the 2nd part of the statement was missed - "Still it is sad that somehow the leadership is a bit too zealous and that it is beginning to be very evident."

Nevertheless, my personal experience is that majority of the INC members are very nice people.

Law abiding citizen? Eh bat sila nag rally questioning sa sinampa na reklamo sa matataas na INC. Bat dun sa video nag counter flow with pulis escort pagti ambulansya di nila pinauna? 

"generally nice, respectful and law abading citizens" naman ang sinabi ni sir cooltoyzph. di naman niya nilahat. sa lahat naman ng groups may mga pasaway talaga but that doesn't mean the whole group is pasaway.

Yah general as in lahat din. IMHO

Dapat nilagay di naman lahat pasaway meron pa din naman mga matitino. Like sa ibang relihiyon di lahat matino may luko luko pa din.

[tony]

I believe no religious group can refrain from involving themselves in politics. Politicians go to them for support in exchange of so many things. If these groups can get their way easily in government because of that patronage, why not?

oh yes, the RC involved themselves in politics when they posted the "Team Patay" and urged members to vote "Team Buhay" in the last elections....it is a different matter when they tell members whom to vote a few days before election, when the survey results show who s winning....

majority of the INC members are very nice people

without any doubt....this is true...

[devlin_waugh]

^agree.....leave him be....at this stage, i think that the INC is still in the wilderness trying to find their true identity, in time and eventually they will find it.....when the leaders realize that there are better things than building arenas and living the life of the rich and famous....when the leadership realize that the total well being of members are more important than building edifices that hardly glorifies God....

is this the start?

Multi-million Airbus used by Iglesia leaders being sold

http://www.rappler.com/newsbreak/investigative/101564-airbus-iglesia-leaders-sold

[tony]

they can build factories that will employ many of their members instead,
or establish farming communities, so that we will not go hungry, just a thought....

[Nelson de Leon]

,
or establish farming communities, so that we will not go hungry, just a thought....

Parang amish.

[GIJoe]

Ganito na ba lagi ang mararanasan natin sa NLEX tuwing may malaking event ang iglesia slow moving ang papunta ng manila sa nlex bago mag philippine arena kasi binuksan ung isang lane para mag counter flow. Traffic na kasi sa kabila dahil sa pila papunta philippine arena na sinakop na nila ang 3 lanes.

[zonks]

abuso naman na yan ganyan, pati express way naging mabagal, tsk tsk, quite inconsiderate yan

[sovrain]

paano ba dapat gawin dyan, isara yung exit? bigyan ng isang dedicated lane for INC tuwing may big event sila?

[GIJoe]

paano ba dapat gawin dyan, isara yung exit? bigyan ng isang dedicated lane for INC tuwing may big event sila?

Sa tingin ko di puwede isara exit kasi may mga di INC na gumagamit nung exit. Sa tingin ko pag plaplano within INC yan problema pag may bog event lagi na lang nakakaabla ng ibang tao. Sa tingin ko mas maganda kanila ung isang lane ng exit pag may big event sila other lane sa mga di na INC. Yan ay para wala na counter flow. Biruin mo di lang mmda may pulis na din sa area para ayusin ung pila nila paexit to phil arena. Ipapalabas ata yung felix manalo kanina sa phil arena kaya big event na naman siguro libre. Di ba puwede sa mga sinehan na lang nila pinapunta ung mga INC IMHO para di na dumugin ang phil arena at mag traffic sa NLEX.

[tony]

para lang yan nang mga bumibile ng kotse at ginagawanwang garahe ang lansangan....

[dpogs]

2 Guinness World Title para sa pelikulang "Felix Manalo"

43,624 watch the screening and they brake the record for

1. Largest Audience At A Film Premiere (previous record: 10,000)
2. Largest Audience At A Film Screening (previous record: 28,442)

[rulesmeister]

Felix Manalo IMDB rating: 10/10 from 1000+ users.

If this is the case, then it will be the greatest movie ever made of all time ever since motion picture was invented

Ung Shawshank redemption 9.2/10 lang, Godfather 9.2/10 lang din.

Joel Lamangan will be the greatest movie director of all time past and present! He bested all of them: Steven Spielberg, Martin Scorsese, Alfred Hitchcock, Francis Ford Coppola, Ridley Scott, Orson Welles, James Cameroon, Micheal Bay etc

Dennis Trillo will go down in history as the greatest actor the world has ever seen.

I havent seen the movie so I cant rate. (I'm no INC member)

[dpogs]

Ang sukatan ng isang movie para matawag na great is not imdb rating imho.