Topic: Dai-ichi Speakers & sub

[hattori_hanzo]

very contented na ako sa Euros 8, isipin mo 7k for this big super tower. yung iba nga piuny na ang mahal pa tapos kalaon laonan ibebenta din. sayang lang!...

Now I know why bihira may nag bebenta ng 2nd Euros 8 towers. kasi panalo na sa performance panalo pa sa budget. kasi yung ibang branded speakers cost really way too very high. eh hindi ko naman kailangan yung ganun ka porma or mega high tech speakers na cost above the ceiling na ang presyo.

Sa Euros oks na may warranty pa. hindi naman ciguro i-export ang spkrs na to kung hindi kaya ipagyabang diba? panalo pa sa service ang dai-ichi... well contentment really is a big thing pag dating sa HT... and for me matatagalan pa ciguro ako bumili ng bago fronts. basta for now me and my towers will be happly married for years to come hehehe!....         

[JojoD818]

ay ay Bongerdude please don't get me wrong ha, you're right it's subjective, it's just probably me. there are so many variables so my experience cannot be "accurately" gauged. besides bookshelfs yun na audition ko using their Class A ss amp.

I believe that all of us here are in agreement that what sounds good to our own ears is what we buy, even if it costs more or less it doesn't matter as long as we liked what we hear therefore we are happy.

para sa akin kasi yun pera pwede ipunin muna pag kulang pa ang pambili, pero yun pagsisisi mahirap gawan ng paraan yan. 

[hattori_hanzo]

here are some of the company that dai-ichi is doin some OEM speakers...

Armstrong World Industries, Inc. KH Manufacturing, Klipsch, Mitek Corp, Stamina Int'l, BG Corporation, KEF, Celestion, Macrom, Phoenix Gold, Radio Shack, Kenwood, TDJ, Coustic, MTX, Cerwin Vega, Magnadyne, Peavey, and Monster Cable and others.

dati extremst ako. I always want the best or every thing. pero one thing I learned from this hobby. hindi lahat ng gusto ko makukuha ko. dapat matuto maging kuntento kung hanggang saan lang ang kaya ko. before I always lay some budget way beyond my target, just to get what I wanted. pero mahirap pala yun. kasi walang kakuntentohan. pag meron laging bagong technology gusto laging top-of-the-line pero mahirap pala. matututo ka maging greedy. now Ive learned my lesson...

Time is short, yung years na pagiipon ko, kaya pala i-fulfilled by a good performer speakers with the right budget, hindi pala kailangan mag hintay at hindi kailangan maging on-top lagi... mahirap abutin ang isang ideal or dream audio gears. Long term goal yun. bago maging tangeable yun sankatutak na hirap ang dapat gawin at kailangan with the right resources pa, baka matanda na ko bago ko ma enjoy yun hehehe!... joking aside basta enjoy lang sa present na kaya mo. wth the right knowledge you can achieve your goal...       

[hattori_hanzo]

Hey guys? ever wonder why bihira ang nagbebenta ng Euros 8 towers dito? samantalang yung ibang branded speakers dito 1 to 2 years old palang binebenta na? seen one pa nga one month old palang na kevlar bookshelf binebenta na kaagad and take note the price pa nitong bookshelf na ito is mas mahal pa sa Euros 8 towers. yung iba nga tower speakers na kevlar naman hindi pa na bbreak in nang husto binebenta na kaagad. bakit kaya?   

[BongerDude]

ay ay Bongerdude please don't get me wrong ha, you're right it's subjective, it's just probably me. there are so many variables so my experience cannot be "accurately" gauged. besides bookshelfs yun na audition ko using their Class A ss amp.

I believe that all of us here are in agreement that what sounds good to our own ears is what we buy, even if it costs more or less it doesn't matter as long as we liked what we hear therefore we are happy.

para sa akin kasi yun pera pwede ipunin muna pag kulang pa ang pambili, pero yun pagsisisi mahirap gawan ng paraan yan. 

Oo naman i know that. Subjective talaga. Pero kasi wala pa kong experience sa ibang sets of speakers. Gusto ko lang talaga malaman kung ano masasabi nyo kasi marami na kayong napakinggang speakers. Of course I am very much happy wid the euros 8. At kung sa tingin nyo panget, gusto ko lang malaman para masabi ko "ahh ganun pala sa tingin nila". Pero that won't change my perception on how good it sounds. Gusto ko lang talaga malaman. Kaya mag audition na at ipost and comments! hehehe

[barrister]

Sir JojoD818, I'm also anxiously waiting for your opinion. Bilib din ako sa Dai-ichi, pero katulad ni sir BongerDude, interesado lang akong makarinig ng mga kontrang opinyon, para madagdagan ang kaalaman.

Naniniwala kasi ako na ang taong sarado ang isip, hindi na matuturuan ng bago.  Ika nga ng matatanda, "Ang mapagtanong, daig ang marunong."

[john5479]

can anyone comment on the mids of the euro 8 towers? bass itself is subjective as  i like my bass tight, yung ramdam and hindi "boomy".  why not try to listen to speakers that are expensive so that you can have an idea on how they sound ? at least may point of comparison ka, you can always say that speaker a is clear sounding and awesome in bass but if you have no other speaker to compare to, its not really convincing.

I would suggest if you encounter accomodating people to listen to hi-end audio set-ups, that way you can have an idea of what you may be missing. if you dont find much difference then there is no need to upgrade.

more expensive does not necessarily mean its much better, the difference between a 7k tower speaker with a 30k tower speaker on the same equipment may not be great as well..

Case in point, i've been using 5 foot custom made speaker towers for my audio and i have listened to a lot of speakers, yet the speakers that sound much better cost 100k up, and the difference is not that great, for me to merit a change.  I have heard a pair of hyperion speakers set-up at architectural audio that have mids that sound much clearer than my speakers that made me realize whats missing but cost 200k.



 

[ricky]

Hey guys? ever wonder why bihira ang nagbebenta ng Euros 8 towers dito? samantalang yung ibang branded speakers dito 1 to 2 years old palang binebenta na? seen one pa nga one month old palang na kevlar bookshelf binebenta na kaagad and take note the price pa nitong bookshelf na ito is mas mahal pa sa Euros 8 towers. yung iba nga tower speakers na kevlar naman hindi pa na bbreak in nang husto binebenta na kaagad. bakit kaya?   

Baka kasi wala masyado ang meron nito kaya bihira yung nagbebenta?   bro yan din yata yung comment mo before doon sa pamatay mong karaoke set-up but you immediately disposed of

[sebman]

Baka kasi wala masyado ang meron nito kaya bihira yung nagbebenta?

nadale mo sir..  yung mga gawa sa kevlar madaling mabenta?  bakit kaya?

[JojoD818]

Oo naman i know that. Subjective talaga. Pero kasi wala pa kong experience sa ibang sets of speakers. Gusto ko lang talaga malaman kung ano masasabi nyo kasi marami na kayong napakinggang speakers. Of course I am very much happy wid the euros 8. At kung sa tingin nyo panget, gusto ko lang malaman para masabi ko "ahh ganun pala sa tingin nila". Pero that won't change my perception on how good it sounds. Gusto ko lang talaga malaman. Kaya mag audition na at ipost and comments! hehehe

Thank you for understanding my reasons, and to restate it - I have nothing against Dai-Ichi, in fact interesado pa din ako. 

Sir JojoD818, I'm also anxiously waiting for your opinion. Bilib din ako sa Dai-ichi, pero katulad ni sir BongerDude, interesado lang akong makarinig ng mga kontrang opinyon, para madagdagan ang kaalaman.

Naniniwala kasi ako na ang taong sarado ang isip, hindi na matuturuan ng bago.  Ika nga ng matatanda, "Ang mapagtanong, daig ang marunong."

Yan ang gusto ko sa tao - ipagpatuloy mo lang yan attitude mo sir at I'm sure malayo ang mararating mo when it comes to the enjoyment of your gears. Bilib din ako sa Dai-Ichi, ang tagal din namin nagsama eh. 

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Why I did not choose the bookshelfs from Dai-Ichi is due to the criteria that most of us have learned to "detect" and would like to hear in a set of speakers. I was looking for imaging, depth and simply natural sounding. Natural in the sense na kahit pa bookshelf siya ay may malalim na bass, malinis na highs and of course up front vocals. Before kasi I use a Dai-Ichi bookshelf and I have to use a sub to get the bass extentions I require but now puro alikabok na ang sub kasi hindi na nagagamit. Even the sub is a Dai-Ichi btw. 

I can't remember na the exact models of bookshelfs I tried, hindi naman yun brand and model ang hinahanap ko kungdi yun sound so hindi important sa akin yun brand. But of all the ones I tried, yun Wharfs and yun MS ang pasok sa criteria ko including my budget. It was unfortunate that the Dai-Ichi bookshelfs have more sensitive and more powerful highs with respect to it's mids and lows, up to a point that it sounded sibilant and if I remember it right it used a soft dome tweets pa. Sayang, ang laki pa sana ng sukli ko.

But now that I am interested in floorstanders (again), baka naman well balanced na ang Euros, so I would love to test them and if possible with known amps. I hope that the overall tonal character of their floorstanders fits the requirements of my ears. 

And sa naghahanap ng for sale na Dai-Ichi... marami na din ako nabentang gamit ko na Dai-Ichi before - offline sale nga lang kaya hindi niyo na nakita.  Pati yun HT setup nila dati bumili ako pero binenta ko na since hindi ko na nagagamit.

Keeping my fingers crossed....

[hattori_hanzo]

Baka kasi wala masyado ang meron nito kaya bihira yung nagbebenta?   bro yan din yata yung comment mo before doon sa pamatay mong karaoke set-up but you immediately disposed of

Ahem I still have my karaoke set up. still have my DSP 2000 and my mic mixer with shure SM58 microphone. speakers lang po ang nag bago. not to offend you sir but before making any speculations better ask the owner first if still exist... sorry if I offended you po..

[BongerDude]

Sir JojoD818, I'm also anxiously waiting for your opinion. Bilib din ako sa Dai-ichi, pero katulad ni sir BongerDude, interesado lang akong makarinig ng mga kontrang opinyon, para madagdagan ang kaalaman.

Naniniwala kasi ako na ang taong sarado ang isip, hindi na matuturuan ng bago.  Ika nga ng matatanda, "Ang mapagtanong, daig ang marunong."

Tumpak Wasto Tama bro barrister! Hintay na lang natin c sir jojo baka wala pang time na ma audition yung euros. For sure ipopost nya comments nya d2 .. diba sir jojo?

[hattori_hanzo]

ahem iba po ang close minded sa contented...

I mean kung may pera to buy those gigantic super hi tech what so ever speakers that cost way grand high superrific performance and specs. why not diba? kung me limpak limpak na pera ka at budget allows. malayo nga ang mararating ng pangrap, pero malayo rin mararating ng pera mo. pero in reality sa "totoo lang" hanggang panggarap ka na lang ba? kelan mo pa ma-achieve yung ganun gears? well ciguro kung pag lalaanan mo talga ng time at pera. pero for me as of now. I like to enjoy life better. but im not saying im closing my doors to newer horizons pag dating sa audio gears. pero its better for me na tanggapin ang what to expect and what is not.

in realty Ive heard hi-end speakers like definitive tech, martin logan, sonus faber, B&W, MK some are even exotic names like niagara, witt, puppy etc etc and so on hi-end speakers here and abroad yung iba pa nga hindi pa available locally. some are even paired with conrad johnson tubes, mcintosh, etc. etc...

so to compared these hi-end audio gears with Dai-ichi? all I can say is "competitive" why? as for now I dont need those 100k audio gears just to entertain what to achive.

Hanggang dun lang muna ako sa makakaya ko na ma "cocontent" ako. see what I mean?(A/V contentment) but dont get me wrong. of course most of us want those really "go for a mile" speakers and audio gears. but now with budget constraints, diba dapat some how meron tayong outlet. para naman meron tayong sense of achivement sa present hobby natin (kung baga charge to expirience).

And of course asking and taking "guru's" comments would be a great help. but I dont intimidate those newbie hobbyist... why? who knows? diba malay mo hindi nga siya "techie" pero legend na pala siya sa exprience pag dating sa Audio gears. decada na pala ang bibilangin...

I dont intend to offend anyone here. pero for God sake lets have some respect naman at lalo na sa mga kapwa Pdvd member natin. sana iwasan na natin ang pangiintimidate na "pataasan ng IH*".  

PS: I support my fellow Pinoy products and I think this is one contribution I can make. buying competent dai-ichi products...  

Medyo OT na so back to dai-ichi products.... hehehe!          

[hattori_hanzo]

nadale mo sir..  yung mga gawa sa kevlar madaling mabenta?  bakit kaya?

Sir comment lang ako sa sinabi mo ah? please dont be offended... 

kaya ba sila bumili ng kevlar speakers para ibenta ulit? diba bago sila bumili ng speakers eh cigurado namn nag research muna sila d2? again. the question is, kaya ba nila binili to kevlar speakers para ibenta ulit dahil meron bago at mas mataas na model ng kevlars or other brands... tapos what happen next pag na bili na naman nila ito, a few months time benta ulit dahil meron na naman bago and so on and so... san ang logic dun or the edge of reason? walang katapusan yun...

how about dun sa naka bili ng competent dai-ichi speakers (like Euros . diba sabi nung iba, kaya konti lang ang nag bebenta n2 or bihira kase baka konti lang ang bumi-bili nito (well sorry for them) or....
baka naman bumili na sila pero nanghihinayang ibenta ulit, dahil mura na nga ang price sa brand new, maganda pa ang perforance. so kung ibebenta pa na nila ito, pretty sure mas mura pa sa murang bnew price ng dai-ichi kaya they rather keep it. dahil sayang naman...

so saan ang mas cost effective? and at the same time worth keeping audio gears...

OT na to pero still boils down to one thing dai-ichi. alam mo minsan hindi ma-intidihan ang tao tulad ng examples na to:

yung BOSE bashers nagagalit dahil mahal ang BOSE ang pangit naman ng performance at wala pang tech specs indicated ang products nila...

tapos... 

eto naman ang Dai-ichi na pagka mura mura at swerte tayo dahil dito ginawa sa sariling bansa supportado pa natin ang pinoy products. indicated lahat ng tech specs at napaka transparent pag dating sa performance naman maasahan dahil sa warranty. competitive pa siya sa hi-end audio. pero eto discriminated naman.

so....ANO BA TALGA KUYA!!! ang gusto nyo?         

[ricky]

Ahem I still have my karaoke set up. still have my DSP 2000 and my mic mixer with shure SM58 microphone. speakers lang po ang nag bago. not to offend you sir but before making any speculations better ask the owner first if still exist... sorry if I offended you po..

Sorry bro if you mistook my post as offensive and assuming,i did not meant it that way,sorry again To be honest i just did not want the way you asked regarding the KEVLAR brand since im sure some of our fellow members bought it with confidence. Hope you accept my apologies And another thing hanns1976, I have nothing against DAI-ICHI products since i have been one of their very satisfied customer at one time.

[hattori_hanzo]

Sorry bro if you mistook my post as offensive and assuming,i did not meant it that way,sorry again To be honest i just did not want the way you asked regarding the KEVLAR brand since im sure some of our fellow members bought it with confidence. Hope you accept my apologies

sorry din brod, medyo nagtataka lang ako ang dami lang talga nag bebenta ng kevlars like wharfs, B&W etc. at hindi lang kev's ha iba pang branded na audio gears din... pero im not against it ciguro hindi lang na meet ang demands nila...

anyways. sa dai-ichi in defense lang naman yung sa products natin. kasi like from my comparison.

BOSE being hated (with reason)

Dai-ichi descriminated naman. eh ang mura naman nito, so ciguro yung dati nilang product hindi pa ganun ka pulido. pero Now sa tingin ko they need to have a chance to grow and be accepted sa audiophile world...

again sorry din. I hope I did not offend you...   

[JojoD818]

ciguro yung dati nilang product hindi pa ganun ka pulido. pero Now sa tingin ko they need to have a chance to grow and be accepted sa audiophile world...

Sa dami ng sinabi mo in defense of Dai-Ichi sa wakas tumama din, yan statement mo na yan ang nasa isip ko ngayon.  Possible kasi na yun mga na audition ko ay hindi pa kasing tindi ng Euros models as you are saying. Kaya nga excited ako na mag audition kasi I can get it na mas mura pa sa 7K.

If it is truly as good as a lot of you guys are saying then ako pa magiging walking billboard ng Euros for sure. 

[JojoD818]

Tumpak Wasto Tama bro barrister! Hintay na lang natin c sir jojo baka wala pang time na ma audition yung euros. For sure ipopost nya comments nya d2 .. diba sir jojo?

Nag text na ako kay Gem from Dai-Ichi and I have requested her to arrange a private audition of their floorstanders. I hope matuloy kami this week so I can give my honest comments.

Best Regards

[newbie pa rin]

Question lang.
Ano receiver ang ginagamit nyo when auditioning the Dai-ichi speakers?

Hindi ko pa kasi napupuntahan ang showroom nila sa mega so ask ko na rin kung ano naka-setup nilang receiver?

[jerix]

sorry din brod, medyo nagtataka lang ako ang dami lang talga nag bebenta ng kevlars like wharfs, B&W etc. at hindi lang kev's ha iba pang branded na audio gears din... pero im not against it ciguro hindi lang na meet ang demands nila...

Sa tingin ko, this is a natural phenomenon, na kagaya din ng preference natin sa ulam  D best man sa yo ang lasa ng litson pero one time maghahangad ka din ng pritong tilapia o di kaya inihaw na tuyo na habang nilalantakan mo, akala mo yun na ang pinakamasarap.  kung mura lang siguro ang mga speakers na kagay ng mga ulam ulam lang, malamang every other day din ang palit.

Dahil sa mga usual changes of preference as dictated by the changes of mood for a given period, madalas nga talaga ang bentahan ng mga speakers. Pero sa tingin ko, yung madalas na gumagawa nito ay yung may mahahaba ang mga pise ika 'nga. Sila kasi kahit talo ng ilang libo, basta mabenta at makuha nila yung panibagong target ay OK na sa kanila.  In other words, mas mababa talaga yung 'contentment threshold' ng mga me datung.  but speaking of happiness parehas lang siguro ang nararamdaman ng bawat isa. 

[hattori_hanzo]

I agree with you. sir jojo and sir jerix... isa lang talga ang point dito and hirap lang talga ng hobby na to, parang photography kase "ANG GASTOS" hehehe! (pero worth it naman) investment din...

sir newbie the one that their using is a Yamaha RX-V800 yata yung nasa megamall...while at the same time Yamaha yung nasa raon (just dont know the model) per powered by a power amp...

sir jojo pag may sched na sa audition ng Euros sa dai-ichi. paki sabi naman. baka kasi maka sama ako I want to hear your comment also sir very important sa amin kasi ito. as owners I need to know the performance level at limitations nito and I think you the proper competent authority pag dating dito...

para si sir Jun Reyes na expert pag dating sa audio gears accessories metal fabrication...

thanks ulit mga sir...   

[arthurallanj]

Question lang.
Ano receiver ang ginagamit nyo when auditioning the Dai-ichi speakers?

Hindi ko pa kasi napupuntahan ang showroom nila sa mega so ask ko na rin kung ano naka-setup nilang receiver?

As far as I can remember, the last time I was there, they're still using a Yamaha RX-V640.  

In aid of sir Hanns, I think what he's trying to say is at the price level Daiichis are, they're the best, at least to his ears. And I'd say the same, too. Daiichis are the best bang for the buck. I've heard other, more expensive speakers and I can clearly discern where my speakers are lacking, but the price difference is just not worth it for me. I also wouldn't say that older Daiichi speakers aren't good. I still have a pair of CT-503 Classique Towers from Daiichi and they're simply great. I often can't believe the depth and clarity especially for audio applications of this pair at their size. I've also heard a pair of CT513s. My friend has the CT-613s, and the performance is just unbelievable at a 4K a pair price. I recently acquired a pair of CT-813s for such a low price, it couldn't be beat. I could say the Classique tower series of Daiichi was one of the best Daiichi ever made, even better than some of their newer models. Notice the past tense of my statement, they've stopped producing it already. And the lifetime warranty is a plus, too. Also including the thought of buying Filipino.  

[leomar]

Question lang.
Ano receiver ang ginagamit nyo when auditioning the Dai-ichi speakers?

Hindi ko pa kasi napupuntahan ang showroom nila sa mega so ask ko na rin kung ano naka-setup nilang receiver?

sir, nung last time na nagpa-audition ako dun, yamaha 450 ang gamit nila...


i'm also a proud owner of dai-ichi euros8 set  (except for the sub)...
paired it with yamaha 450, until now im still very very contented with my set-up!

to answer sir hanns inquiry on "bakit wala nagbebenta ng 2nd hand euros8 tower?"
--- sa tingin ko dahil relatively new pa lang po itong euros8 brand, not to mention this really is bang for the buck speaker!

nabili ko ung towers ko nung november @ PhP 6k! hehe
mas mura pa kuha ko sa inyo sir hanns!  
ung BS at center @2k each ko lang nakuha...

well, cguro dahil newbie pa lang ako sa HT at amateur ears pa lang ako, contended na ako sa dai-ichi sa ngaun...
kapag nakarinig cguro ako ng mas magandang set-up at nag-mature na ako sa hobby na ito, saka ko masasabi na may makakatalo sa performance ng dai-ichi pero i doubt kung may makakatalo sa price:performance ratio nito...

even if i grow more mature with this hobby, i'll still keep my euros8 set-up, ganda e! hehe

[JojoD818]

Jerix,

I like the simile you used, mas madaling maintindihan talaga basta pagkain eh no? 

Hanns,

I am no expert, I'm just a guy who is also interested in floorstanders like you. Besides my comments would probably be just for me since we all have our different listening preferrences. I will just use what I learned and try to hear what I have already heard from other floorstanders.

BTW, I would really like it to be a private session - sorry. I want it set up for 2-channel audio so I can bring my cds which I am familiar with.

[Chito C.]

I'm a happy owner of the Euros 8 floorstanders. I bought it at early last year at raon for I think P5,400 lang (that time 50% off dahil over stocked ata). I used it to replace my bose accoustimass 3 as fronts of my HT set-up. Let me just say that the Euros 8 trashed the bose completely. I think the reason why these speakers are rarely sold is that they are mainly used for HT, not for audio. About two weeks ago I purchased a NAD integrated amp as I plan to have an audio set-up at my office (once I have my own room). Used the Euros 8 speakers temporarily with the nad amp to test it. Compared with my yammy 440 mas naging buo yung tunog, tighter bass at mas naging wide yung soundstage. However, except for the audiophile and jazz cd's mas naging matinis yung tunog (simblance). Medyo sumasakit ulo ko sa rock and pop cd's. Will I part with my euros 8? If I only have an HT set-up, DEFINITELY NOT! THIS IS A KEEPER. For audio lang at the price I paid for (P5.4K), may mga matitinda syang kalaban especially the wharfs (P5.5 k up). Binalik ko nga pala yung bose as my fronts. Buti nalang bigay lang sa akin ng utol ko to dahil kung binili ko to feeling ko siguro nanakawan ako dahil sa katangahan ko. He-he.    

[arthurallanj]

Ano nga ba talaga? RX-V800? RX-V450? or RX-V640? Mapuntahan nga this April. Bukas kaya sila on April 13 (Maundy Thursday)? Kita-kits kaya tayo mga guys dun? Sana walang bago, wala kasi akong pambili e. Hehe  

Oh, by the way, I got my Euros 8 Towers for 5K+++  lang noon.   Mamayang hapon makukumpara ko na ang difference nila with a pair of Yamaha NS-777, and maybe also compare the Euros 8 bookshelfs with the NS-333 and the Euros 8 center with the NS-C444. I think dito ginaya ang Euros ng Daiichi. Andami kasing Yamaha speaker systems na kamukha ng Daiichis e. A friend recenly got the entire Elliptical Form series kasi e, paired with a Yamaha RX-V657, including a Yamaha sub.  

[JojoD818]

Guys,

May ibang finish ba sila ng Euros 8? Or puro black lang available?

Thanks

[Chito C.]

Black lang po sir.

[JojoD818]

thanks Chito.

[BongerDude]

Ano nga ba talaga? RX-V800? RX-V450? or RX-V640? Mapuntahan nga this April. Bukas kaya sila on April 13 (Maundy Thursday)? Kita-kits kaya tayo mga guys dun? Sana walang bago, wala kasi akong pambili e. Hehe  

Bukas kaya sila maundy thurs? Yun lang din kasi tym ko para lumabas. Baka buy na din ako bookshelves tsaka center. Sir arthur kita kits? nyehehe