Topic: Audio Nirvana Fullrange Speakers - Fair Price, High End SQ

[camoteque]

Tony,

Naunahan mo ko pag-post. Ha ha.

[joesat]

basta huwag mong hayaan na madistort yung tunog,
pwede mo lakasan ang volume,
pagnababasag na ang tunog, back down mo na...
ibig sabihin noon kinakapos na yung ampli mo....
mas nauuunang mapagod ang amplifier at mag-alboroto
kaysa sa speaker mong gamit...
ang nakakasira ng speakers kadalasan ay yung amplifier na
nagki clipping na, delikado lalo na sa mga SS amps....

Sir Tony, talking about the clipping, since 30 W lang ung AN using a 200 WPC amp, once nag distort ba ay clipping parin ang term dun? paano po mahihirapan ung 200w na amp sa 30w na AN in this case? if its the low powered amp to AN's po siguro ay mejo aaintindihan ko kung paano mahirapan ung amp.. Thanks po..

[RXV]

Sir Tony, talking about the clipping, since 30 W lang ung AN using a 200 WPC amp, once nag distort ba ay clipping parin ang term dun? paano po mahihirapan ung 200w na amp sa 30w na AN in this case? if its the low powered amp to AN's po siguro ay mejo aaintindihan ko kung paano mahirapan ung amp.. Thanks po..

In that case, I think baliktad namn ang mangyayari: overpowering naman ang amp driving the speakers (on a certain volume). Kung mahinang volume ok naman, pero kapag nagkamali kang i-crank all the way up ang volume, masisira talaga speakers mo.

[camoteque]

In that case, I think baliktad namn ang mangyayari: overpowering naman ang amp driving the speakers (on a certain volume). Kung mahinang volume ok naman, pero kapag nagkamali kang i-crank all the way up ang volume, masisira talaga speakers mo.

Sirs,

Maybe we don't see the point here. Mabibingi ka na before you can crank it up too much. Ibig lang sabihin, di ka na makakaabot mag-lakas ng todo ng amp because as I've stated earlier, at 1 watt nasa 97db na ang AN.  at 2 watts nasa 100 db ka na. at 4 watts more than a 100 db na yan. Sobrang lakas na yan. What is the point of cranking the volume too much? Kaya kahit malakas ang amp mo ok lang yan. Now if you still crank the volume kahit nabibingi ka na sa sobrang lakas, eh masisira nga speakers mo kasabay ng tenga mo.

Also, maybe Tony is referring to non-efficient speakers or speakers that are difficult to drive. Pag mahina ang amp, magdistort talaga speakers at a certain level. Yan ang nakakasira ng speakers.

[newbieforever]

salamat sa lahat ng feedback! nakatulong talaga for me.

Sirs,

Maybe we don't see the point here. Mabibingi ka na before you can crank it up too much. Ibig lang sabihin, di ka na makakaabot mag-lakas ng todo ng amp because as I've stated earlier, at 1 watt nasa 97db na ang AN.  at 2 watts nasa 100 db ka na. at 4 watts more than a 100 db na yan. Sobrang lakas na yan. What is the point of cranking the volume too much? Kaya kahit malakas ang amp mo ok lang yan. Now if you still crank the volume kahit nabibingi ka na sa sobrang lakas, eh masisira nga speakers mo kasabay ng tenga mo.

Also, maybe Tony is referring to non-efficient speakers or speakers that are difficult to drive. Pag mahina ang amp, magdistort talaga speakers at a certain level. Yan ang nakakasira ng speakers.

now i get it even more! in this scenario mas preferred ang high power amp + low wattage speaker kasi loudness becomes a factor, whereas sa low power amp + high wattage speaker, mapipilitan kang itodo ang volume until bumigay either amp or speaker... very well put sir!

follow up question: meron bang device na pwede ikabit in between amp and speaker para maprotektahan silang dalawa from over/under powering? tipong power limiter? alam ko meron ganun sa ibang ready made speakers and amps pero parang wala pa ako nakikita for DIY purposes. 

[Gino]

Yup. Tenga ang tawag dun.

I think people are missing the point of high sensitivity speakers like AN. It's high sensitivity allows you to use low watt high quality tube amps. These first watts are simply glorious and transparent. That is not something you will hear from an average AV receiver/amp.

[newbieforever]

Yup. Tenga ang tawag dun.

I think people are missing the point of high sensitivity speakers like AN. It's high sensitivity allows you to use low watt high quality tube amps. These first watts are simply glorious and transparent. That is not something you will hear from an average AV receiver/amp.

point taken, though i'm not a fan of sarcasm, whether intentional or not.

i was merely asking for my (and my AN's) safety.

[remington]

mas maganda nga kung powerful amp  ang gagamitin sa AN kasi konting volume palang masa-satisfy ka na busog na ang speakers ika nga ok din naman low powered kasi nga very efficient ang AN so eigther way you will be satisfied...I think!  You are very much welcome to visit me for a try sir newbieforever para ma try natin powerful amp mo sa AN ko...super 8 steele frame nga lang ang current ko but we can try kung ano magiging outcome...curious din ako kasi puro 35 watts/channel push pull tube amp at SS ang gamit ko ngayon although nai try ko na ito dati sa 95 watts/channel AVR with very pleasing result. PM lang sir I'm from marikina if ever you want to try it out. oooops sorry may AN ka na pala sir hehehe alalay nalang sa volume hindi mo naman siguro mapipihit ng above 10 o'clock yang amp mo with that wattage using AN unless gagamitin mo sya sa outdoor na maraming sound obstractions sigurado 9 o'clock palang malakas na

[sound garden]

Ang lakas mo talagang mangkulam Shrek. Basta ako for music lang ang AN ko. I used my ears to put limitation to the higher decibel to avoid clipping or deaf.

[remington]

Ang lakas mo talagang mangkulam Shrek. Basta ako for music lang ang AN ko. I used my ears to put limitation to the higher decibel to avoid clipping or deaf.

hehehe pwede din naman sir nasa owner disgression nalang kung paano nya gagamitin at kung gaano kalakas hehehe. Ako pag trip manood sa hifi set up with AN nalang ok din parang naka surround na plus yung clarity and realism na binibigay ng AN solve na buto-buto!

[tony]

Sir Tony, talking about the clipping, since 30 W lang ung AN using a 200 WPC amp, once nag distort ba ay clipping parin ang term dun? paano po mahihirapan ung 200w na amp sa 30w na AN in this case? if its the low powered amp to AN's po siguro ay mejo aaintindihan ko kung paano mahirapan ung amp.. Thanks po..

power rating for speakers do not mean anything to me...
even if rated for 30 watts you can still destroy it with
just a mere 5 watts input using sine waves...
music signals unlike sine waves have far lesser energy content....

solid state amps rated 200 watts connote several meanings,
one, it can be pmpo rating so that even if it says 200 watts,
in reality is is a mere 20 watter, take the Sakua AV200 for example....
assuming that that 200 watt amp is a true rated 200 watt,
it can still overload during transients depending on the program material.
amps are easily overloaded by input signal....
this is related to the internal circuity of the amplifier..
so to me mere wattage ratings do not tell the whole story...

[tony]

mas maganda nga kung powerful amp  ang gagamitin sa AN kasi konting volume palang masa-satisfy ka na busog na ang speakers ika nga ok din naman low powered kasi nga very efficient ang AN so eigther way you will be satisfied...I think!  You are very much welcome to visit me for a try sir newbieforever para ma try natin powerful amp mo sa AN ko...super 8 steele frame nga lang ang current ko but we can try kung ano magiging outcome...curious din ako kasi puro 35 watts/channel push pull tube amp at SS ang gamit ko ngayon although nai try ko na ito dati sa 95 watts/channel AVR with very pleasing result. PM lang sir I'm from marikina if ever you want to try it out. oooops sorry may AN ka na pala sir hehehe alalay nalang sa volume hindi mo naman siguro mapipihit ng above 10 o'clock yang amp mo with that wattage using AN unless gagamitin mo sya sa outdoor na maraming sound obstractions sigurado 9 o'clock palang malakas na

correct.....

[tony]

Tony,

Naunahan mo ko pag-post. Ha ha.

[shrek7]

Ang lakas mo talagang mangkulam Shrek. Basta ako for music lang ang AN ko. I used my ears to put limitation to the higher decibel to avoid clipping or deaf.

hehehe!!! Alam mo naman ako brader! Bwahahaha! Nakulam nga kita eh, pero mas malakas mangkulam si Mon. Minsan nga eh kinukulam nya ang sarili nya eh! Pero mas bilib ako kila brader remington dahil simpleng simple lang ang dating pero di mo alam eh malakas din pala mangkulam. Hehehe!

[remington]

hehehe!!!  Pero mas bilib ako kila brader remington dahil simpleng simple lang ang dating pero di mo alam eh malakas din pala mangkulam. Hehehe!

Nyahahahaha may proof kasi sir naririnig dito sa system ko pag may bumibisita.

[monreq]

Yup. Tenga ang tawag dun.

I think people are missing the point of high sensitivity speakers like AN. It's high sensitivity allows you to use low watt high quality tube amps. These first watts are simply glorious and transparent. That is not something you will hear from an average AV receiver/amp.

Agree. +1

[monreq]

power rating for speakers do not mean anything to me...
even if rated for 30 watts you can still destroy it with
just a mere 5 watts input using sine waves...
music signals unlike sine waves have far lesser energy content....

solid state amps rated 200 watts connote several meanings,
one, it can be pmpo rating so that even if it says 200 watts,
in reality is is a mere 20 watter, take the Sakua AV200 for example....
assuming that that 200 watt amp is a true rated 200 watt,
it can still overload during transients depending on the program material.
amps are easily overloaded by input signal....
this is related to the internal circuity of the amplifier..
so to me mere wattage ratings do not tell the whole story...

+1

[monreq]

Nyahahahaha may proof kasi sir naririnig dito sa system ko pag may bumibisita.

Tama.  Sa overall frequencies ksi, wala ka na hahanapin pa sa AN.

[remington]

stormy night vinylling with AN paired with SS amp with tube buffer....pampa kalma



stay safe everyone and lets all pray for this coming storm!

[monreq]

hehehe!!! Alam mo naman ako brader! Bwahahaha! Nakulam nga kita eh, pero mas malakas mangkulam si Mon. Minsan nga eh kinukulam nya ang sarili nya eh! Pero mas bilib ako kila brader remington dahil simpleng simple lang ang dating pero di mo alam eh malakas din pala mangkulam. Hehehe!

Mangkukulam talga si Remington, may orasyon yan gamit ang AN...pinapatugtog iyong Enigma "Prinicple of Lust"..ha ha ha

[tony]

Tony,

Naunahan mo ko pag-post. Ha ha.

Larry, nakita mo na ba ito? ano sa palagay mo? https://www.passdiy.com/pdf/KleinHorn.pdf

[camoteque]

Larry, nakita mo na ba ito? ano sa palagay mo? https://www.passdiy.com/pdf/KleinHorn.pdf

Yes. That's a big horn! But still barely gets to 50hz despite the size. And the issue of delay of the backwave. Some people may like it though.

If I have the resources, I will still go for a simple two way cut very low - maybe 200hz. This way vocal range/mid high will be handled by the full range and low-bass duties to a true woofer.

[remington]

Mangkukulam talga si Remington, may orasyon yan gamit ang AN...pinapatugtog iyong Enigma "Prinicple of Lust"..ha ha ha

naku baka maniwala sila hehe kasama din sa playlist yung 'MEA CULPA" para mas effective ang kulam

[shrek7]

naku baka maniwala sila hehe kasama din sa playlist yung 'MEA CULPA" para mas effective ang kulam

dapat kc may LIKE button na rin d2 sa pdvd!!!

LIKE!!!!!!

[remington]

advertisement lang po! For those who are looking for the AN group buy thread  Fullrangers Page po ang acct. sa facebook maraming salamat po

[ti]

mga ka -AN ano po ang marerecomend nyo na Dac ?

Ang source ko po kasi mga flac na nasa

                  -> rca out to tube amp ->
AC ryan hd3--                                ->amp switcher - Neo 8       
                 ->HDMI out to onkyo avr->

okay naman yung output sa tube maski avr, pero nung na try ginamitan ng laptop at smsl dac mas naging "magical" yung output.

okay na rin sana sa akin yung smsl pero since yung ac ryan ko is 12v sana yung dac na makukuha ko is sana 12v na rin since balak ko magkapatong sila at pasasamahin ko ng adaptor na lang with higher ampere para less sa power outlet sana.

baka po may marecommend kayo at sana may malapit na mabibilhan, budget ko po is around 15k. welcome din po yung recommendation maski mas mahal, baka kayanin ko pang pag-ipunan basta worth it naman,

salamat 

[sound garden]

Try to audition yong Cambridge Audio DACmagic or Aune Dac.

Aune DAC
http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,192107.180.html

Cambridge Audio DACmagic
http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,191756.60.html

[remington]

listening to stacey kent on this lazy rainy thursday evening with AN and this very sweet sounding 5998 SET amp on loan from sir dana

[RXV]

Very nice

[tony]

Very nice

yup, yan ang type ni Jun, ST or sexy shouldered tubes...
i have a pair of sexy bottle 6AS7 tubes, but mu is just half
of the 5998 so can not be tube rolled without circuit changes unfortunately...