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Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
« Reply #30 on: Sep 26, 2012 at 05:31 PM »
thanks sir for sharing this.

another follow up question ( sir hindi ako nanunubok ha, hindi ko kasi talaga maintindihan lang). in my friend's case- hindi naman mawawala ang down syndrome, so if my friend gets a good good job, a better paying salary, a nice house, a car, gets to migrate etc- dosnt take out the fact that her son has down syndrome.

IMHO this is just my personal take, I think same din with me having the same thing with JT(just imagine) but my Dad still had Diabetes and had to die (..and that's without me asking forgiveness to him before he died).

It was genetic, his father my grand dad died to of it and one of my uncles, kelangan na magmaintenance ng gamot.

I prayed alot too for God to at least give me another 3 years with him but he still died.

It means, di natin maiintindihan some things sa mundo ng detailed until God himself tells us why He allows certain things to happen etc.

The only thing different with our circumstance is my dad is already up there and the child with downs is still here.

This is not to downplay the situation since I have not experienced it but masayahin naman atah mga may downs and maybe its better for him/her to stay that way etc.

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Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
« Reply #31 on: Sep 26, 2012 at 06:01 PM »
There are many forms of trials... isa sa paborito kong Bible character is Job. Job is righteous before God, never faltered... always doing good. And then trials came for him, all of a sudden, lahat na meron siya biglang nawala, even his wife came to the point that mock his God. Job replied:

Job 23:10 "But he knoweth the way that I take: when he hath tried me, I shall come forth as gold."


One of my favorite song when trials come...

by Ron Hamilton
God never moves without purpose or plan
When trying His servant and molding a man.
Give thanks to the LORD though your testing seems long;
In darkness He giveth a song.

I could not see through the shadows ahead;
So I looked at the cross of my Savior instead.
I bowed to the will of the Master that day;
Then peace came and tears fled away.

Now I can see testing comes from above;
God strengthens His children and purges in love.
My Father knows best, and I trust in His care;
Through purging more fruit I will bear.

O Rejoice in the LORD
He makes no mistake,
He knoweth the end of each path that I take,
For when I am tried
And purified,
I shall come forth as gold.

God bless and good morning!
There is none righteous, no not one.

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Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
« Reply #32 on: Sep 26, 2012 at 09:01 PM »
another follow up question ( sir hindi ako nanunubok ha, hindi ko kasi talaga maintindihan lang). in my friend's case- hindi naman mawawala ang down syndrome, so if my friend gets a good good job, a better paying salary, a nice house, a car, gets to migrate etc- dosnt take out the fact that her son has down syndrome.

That's a good point.  You emphasized the big difference between your friend's case and sir JT's case.

Sir rex provided the answer that I agree with:

It means, di natin maiintindihan some things sa mundo ng detailed until God himself tells us why He allows certain things to happen etc.

I know that's it's not too satisfying an answer. However, in my view, that is the right answer, one that sticks to what the bible teaches.

We can speculate all we want, but the truth is, we really can't know for sure what God intends.  All we can do is accept what is given to us and just trust that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose. (Rom. 8:28)

i have a friend who just gave birth, unfortunately, the baby has strong indication na may down syndrome sya.

sa ganitong sitwasyon, i cant help but think/ask " ano intention ni God, trial lang for the parents pero yung bata ang kawawa? ano kasalanan nung bata if its a trial for the parents? :(

Yes, kawawa nga ang bata.  But that's only one way of looking at it --- from the material point of view.

Another way of looking at it is from the spiritual point of view ---  puwede mo ring sabihin na suwerte pa nga yung bata.  Bakit?  Hindi kasi siya katulad natin, na madaling magkasala, madaling matukso.  Para lang siyang bata habang nabubuhay siya, na hindi maaaring magkaroon ng kasalanang ikamamatay.  Pag tanda niya, puwede ba siyang maging kidnapper, murderer, o terrorist?  E di hindi.

In that sense, baka nga mas mabuti pa ang isang down child sa atin, kasi katulad siya ng mga maliliit na batang tinutukoy ni Kristo --- "Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of God belongs to such as these." (Lk. 18:16).  Therefore, sa palagay ko, derecho sila sa langit, talong-talo tayo. 

Gawin man ng Diyos ang isang tao na may Down Syndrome, none of us have any right to complain to our Maker, because our Maker is sovereign.

The bible puts it this way:

20 But who are you, a human being, to talk back to God? “Shall what is formed say to the one who formed it, ‘Why did you make me like this?’” 21 Does not the potter have the right to make out of the same lump of clay some pottery for special purposes and some for common use? (Rom. 9:20-21)   

9 “Woe to those who quarrel with their Maker, those who are nothing but potsherds among the potsherds on the ground. Does the clay say to the potter, ‘What are you making?’ Does your work say, ‘The potter has no hands’? (Is. 45:9)
 
 
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Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
« Reply #33 on: Sep 26, 2012 at 09:59 PM »
There are many forms of trials... isa sa paborito kong Bible character is Job. Job is righteous before God, never faltered... always doing good. And then trials came for him, all of a sudden, lahat na meron siya biglang nawala, even his wife came to the point that mock his God. Job replied:

Job 23:10 "But he knoweth the way that I take: when he hath tried me, I shall come forth as gold."


Namatay pa nga yun anak ni Job.

From Job 42:

10 After Job had prayed for his friends, the Lord restored his fortunes and gave him twice as much as he had before. 11 All his brothers and sisters and everyone who had known him before came and ate with him in his house. They comforted and consoled him over all the trouble the Lord had brought on him, and each one gave him a piece of silver[a] and a gold ring.

12 The Lord blessed the latter part of Job’s life more than the former part. He had fourteen thousand sheep, six thousand camels, a thousand yoke of oxen and a thousand donkeys. 13 And he also had seven sons and three daughters. 14 The first daughter he named Jemimah, the second Keziah and the third Keren-Happuch. 15 Nowhere in all the land were there found women as beautiful as Job’s daughters, and their father granted them an inheritance along with their brothers.

16 After this, Job lived a hundred and forty years; he saw his children and their children to the fourth generation. 17 And so Job died, an old man and full of years.


In that sense, baka nga mas mabuti pa ang isang down child sa atin, kasi katulad siya ng mga maliliit na batang tinutukoy ni Kristo --- "Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of God belongs to such as these." (Lk. 18:16).  Therefore, sa palagay ko, derecho sila sa langit, talong-talo tayo. 

Anak nga ba ni David yun namatay ng bata? Pero after the death of his Son, David was not sad anymore because David knows his son is saved.

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Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
« Reply #34 on: Sep 26, 2012 at 10:12 PM »
Anak nga ba ni David yun namatay ng bata? Pero after the death of his Son, David was not sad anymore because David knows his son is saved.

Kung si David, baka yung ganito --- while the child was sick, he fasted and wept; when the child died, he got up and ate.  (2 Sam. 12:15-23)
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Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
« Reply #35 on: Sep 27, 2012 at 02:18 PM »
Sickness and physical abnormalities are results of man's fall ... not from God. All creations has suffered from Adam's sin thats why it is truly a deadly sin.

Let me share my testimony.

Thru our office internal transfer, I'm suppose to be relocating to Sydney last year. But my 4yr old daughter whom I declared with delayed speech was diagnosed by therapist with severe authism. Thus her visa was put on hold by AU immigration unless my office will give aud44k bond. So my move there did not push thru because it was not the company policy to provide as such. What has been agreed with my company then is to wdraw the visa application and once my daughter is ok, then we will renegotiate.

One of my main intention to go Sydney is to plant church work there as I was sent by our pastor. So have I questioned God why this has happened to me? Certainly.  And the answer I got from Him ... “Did I not say to you that if you would believe you would see the glory of God?”

Not only our move to Sydney was cancelled, I've already sold my house here so I have to rent (which is currently really expensive), my kids has to change school, and I also dont have a job because I already have a replacement from my former team since Im all set to go out of Singapore.

So how did I see God moved in our midst? I dont have a job for 3 months but Im recieving salary from my office. I come to office just to check if HR got something for me.  Where can you find such arrangements, no job but with pay? I have more time for my family, for the ministry and lots of time to rest and play during those period.

And when our HR found a job for me, I got a job stictly 8hrs a day, monday to friday, no overtime requirement, no production issue or implementation work. I just review business requirements and functional specification documents which is like only 1/3 of my previous job responsibilities. And after 3 mos, I got promoted with salary increase of course.  Our company promotion only given every January, I received mine in October last year.

But those are not the main thing God has done for me. March this year, my daughter has been cleared to enroll in a normal mainstream school. Without paying for specialist or seeking therapist help or even enrolling to a special school, my daughter can now speak and express herself clearly. In just a year's time, my daughter's progress was amazing.  Truly, God's work is evident.

The delayed speech and severe authism has been healed thru prayers and faith in God thru his Words and promises of healing. Her teachers says she is even smarter and more advanced than her classmates.

Since my daughter has been healed from delayed speech and being completely healed from authism, Im now renegotiating with our Sydney office. They are not able to give me their last year's offer because I have been promoted so they have to give me a higher position and rate. I also now have offer from our Florida and New jersey office.

And most of all, we've become closer to God as we have experience His mighty moving in our life. The relationship becomes stronger and we truly believed now that God's promises are true because we have been a recipient of it.

Always remember what Romans 8:28 (NKJV) says "And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are the called according to His purpose."

Truly, praise God for He is good and worthy to be praised.

Sir, a very inspiring story. God bless.

I just wanna share this. Recently, I have this cough that just won't go away. Couple of weeks ago, I coughed up blood and it really scared me. I was an ex-smoker. Doc told me to do a ctscan. Thank God the scan was normal and I found out I have  blebs in both my lungs. Its an inborn thing. These are bubbles that can burst anytime if aggravated thru very hard cough (I guess), scuba diving, high pressure areas like mountain climbing, and maybe lifting heavy weights. This can cause collapsed lungs. To make a long story short, sometimes talaga you can see God coming to your lives. You really see his hand at work. Like in my case, I coughed out blood, that led to my ctscan and therefore I found out I have blebs in my lungs.

I just have to be careful and if ever I can't breathe,  I just have to go to the emergency room and tell the doctor my condition. Btw, The next day after the diagnosis, my mom called me up and said my condition was in the chinese newspaper. It can kill if you don't know you have this condition bec. the doctors don't know you have this esp when you can't breathe.

I really believe God interfered and let me find out about my condition. I thank Him all the time with all the blessings. God bless Y'all
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Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
« Reply #36 on: Sep 27, 2012 at 02:35 PM »
thanks sir for sharing this.

another follow up question ( sir hindi ako nanunubok ha, hindi ko kasi talaga maintindihan lang). in my friend's case- hindi naman mawawala ang down syndrome, so if my friend gets a good good job, a better paying salary, a nice house, a car, gets to migrate etc- dosnt take out the fact that her son has down syndrome.

IMHO this is just my personal take, I think same din with me having the same thing with JT(just imagine) but my Dad still had Diabetes and had to die (..and that's without me asking forgiveness to him before he died).

It was genetic, his father my grand dad died to of it and one of my uncles, kelangan na magmaintenance ng gamot.

I prayed alot too for God to at least give me another 3 years with him but he still died.

It means, di natin maiintindihan some things sa mundo ng detailed until God himself tells us why He allows certain things to happen etc.

I believe its not a mystery that God has reservations or not letting us know all but its a matter of knowing God's will. Is it God's will to heal? Is Jesus willing to heal? Is there a record that someone was healed from Down Syndrome thru FAITH?  All definitely YES.  The real mystery to me is why God heals some miraculously (instantly) and some progressively (thru period of time). 

So I guess the real question now is, do you truly believe that God can heal all diseases?  Was there a difference to Him in healing headache vs down syndrome? By His Word this world was created so I dont see any issue of God healing major disease by His Word also. Did Jesus rejected anyone who comes to Him for healing? Did Jesus had a problem healing major sickness?

I dont see any of that either in the bible but why healing is not happening sometimes?  We know God is almighty so what is limiting Him from healing?  My two keyword is HONOR and UNBELIEF.

Matthew 13:53-58 (NKJV)
Now it came to pass, when Jesus had finished these parables, that He departed from there. When He had come to His own country, He taught them in their synagogue, so that they were astonished and said, “Where did this Man get this wisdom and these mighty works? Is this not the carpenter’s son? Is not His mother called Mary? And His brothers James, Joses, Simon, and Judas? And His sisters, are they not all with us? Where then did this Man get all these things?” So they were offended at Him.

But Jesus said to them, “A prophet is not without HONOR except in his own country and in his own house.” Now He did not do many mighty works there because of their UNBELIEF.

Bible has also written what needs to be done.  In James 5:14-16 (NKJV) says,
Is anyone among you sick?
1). Let him call for the elders of the church, and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord.
2). And the prayer of faith will save the sick, and the Lord will raise him up.
3). And if he has committed sins, he will be forgiven. Confess your trespasses to one another, and pray for one another, that you may be healed.
4). The effective, fervent prayer of a righteous man avails much.

We should also notice across scriptures that Salvation and Healing usually come together in the same verses.  One example is Psalm 103:1-5 (NKJV) which says
Bless the Lord, O my soul;
And all that is within me, bless His holy name!
Bless the Lord, O my soul,
And forget not all His benefits:
WHO FORGIVES ALL YOUR INIQUITIES,
WHO HEALS ALL YOUR DISEASES,
Who redeems your life from destruction,
Who crowns you with lovingkindness and tender mercies,
Who satisfies your mouth with good things,
So that your youth is renewed like the eagle’s.

Note that it says ALL, no exemption not even down syndrome.  Now if you believe that by "confessing in your mouth and believing in your heart that Jesus is Lord" you are saved because it is written,  why is it hard believing the same for healing?  There are lots of written promises in the scriptues for healing and its up to our FAITH to claim it.

Always remember this definition of FAITH:
FAITH is simply believing so
Even when it doesnt seems so
So that it will be so
BECAUSE GOD SAYS SO.

God bless.

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Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
« Reply #37 on: Sep 27, 2012 at 09:33 PM »
i think hindi reliable ang bible natin kasi di ba edited to nung panahon ni constantine para maging favorable sa mga romano

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Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
« Reply #38 on: Sep 27, 2012 at 09:48 PM »
i think hindi reliable ang bible natin kasi di ba edited to nung panahon ni constantine para maging favorable sa mga romano

Yun ata sir yun ginawang Latin yun Bible. Ang alam ko, the orig version is Hebrew-Aramaic. Gusto ko nga mag short study ng hebrew para mas maintindihan ko like yun petro - petras difference, yun word na love in english, 3 words pala sa hebrew.

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Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
« Reply #39 on: Sep 27, 2012 at 11:16 PM »
i think hindi reliable ang bible natin kasi di ba edited to nung panahon ni constantine para maging favorable sa mga romano

Hindi naman sir.

Maraming versions ang bible, and God will make sure that we can easily get an accurate version if we really wanted to.  Otherwise, useless na ginsuto ng Diyos na magkaroon ng bible kung mali-mali rin naman pala ang translation, and that would not make sense.

Some bible versions are bad; but some are very good.  The most popular English version used to be the King James Version (KJV), which is very accurate.  The KJV was completed using a very painstaking word-for-word translation method (not just phrase by phrase or sentence by sentence), so you can be sure that's it's one of the best.  Today, the most popular English version is the New International Version (NIV), which is also a highly accurate version, maybe even slightly better than the KJV in many parts.

However, no single bible version can be considered entirely perfect.  The most accurate translation is probably the Young's literal translation, but even that is not perfect.  Nevertheless, in case of doubt, it is now easy to consult the original Hebrew and Greek texts.  You can easily look up Hebrew and Greek interlinear versions via the internet.     

Before the internet became common, I only had my KJV, New KJV, the Tagalog Poblete, and the Crudens Complete Concordance to consult.  Today, I can look up via the internet almost any version I want, including the Young's Literal, the Strong's Numbers, and the original Hebrew and Greek.



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Yun ata sir yun ginawang Latin yun Bible. Ang alam ko, the orig version is Hebrew-Aramaic.

The Old Testament was originally written in Hebrew; the New Testament was originally written in Greek and Aramaic.

Actually, the Latin Vulgate is one of the most accurate versions.  This was translated into English, which was called the "Douay–Rheims Bible" (D-R), which is also accurate.  The D-R was one of the versions used as reference for the KJV translation.   


Gusto ko nga mag short study ng hebrew para mas maintindihan ko like yun petro - petras difference, yun word na love in english, 3 words pala sa hebrew.

Hindi na kailangan, sir.  Actually, imbis na makatulong, baka lalo pang makagulo.

Note that the language of the Old Testament is ancient Hebrew, which is not the same as the modern Hebrew of today's state of Israel.

Parang ganito --- nag-aral ka ng English, pero mahihirapan ka pa ring umintindi ng Shakespeare kahit English din yon.  Kasi Old English ang Shakespearean plays; pero ang alam mo ay modern English.

Using your example: kung Petros vs Petra ang kailangan (Koine Greek), ang useful na reference ay ang Strong's Numbers.  Petra is Strong's Number 4073; Petros is 4074:

http://concordances.org/greek/4073.htm
http://concordances.org/greek/4074.htm

You will recall that we discussed this live and in person ;) ---

I don't believe that the distinction is merely "stone" vs "rock," or" "small" vs. "big."  Petros can mean "stone," and it can also mean "rock."  However, Petra means a "connected rock."

Thus, Petros is not only a small stone; it can also be a big rock, as long as it is detached.  But if it's a huge boulder that is attached to something immovable, like a mountain or a cliff, then that's a Petra.  So the difference is not just size; the distinction is actually between "attached" and "detached." 

Therefore, pag sinabi ni Kristo na thou art Peter ("Petros"), puwedeng rock na malaki, basta detached.  Pero pag sinabi Niyang upon this rock (Petra) I will build my church, hindi lang malaking rock yon, it should be a huge boulder attached to an immovable object such as a mountain.  Yan ang tunay na foundation ng church na itinatag ni Kristo --- matinding pundasyon yon, di ba?  8)

So you see, a deep understanding of scripture can be acquired without having to learn conversational Hebrew.
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Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
« Reply #40 on: Sep 27, 2012 at 11:28 PM »
how about yung mga inalis na books from the bible pati na din yung dead sea scrolls

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Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
« Reply #41 on: Sep 27, 2012 at 11:38 PM »
how about yung mga inalis na books from the bible pati na din yung dead sea scrolls

Meron bang inalis? ;)   

Pero mahabang usapin yan sir. 

Depende kasi sa point of view yon.  For example: Kung Catholic ka, sasabihin mo yung KJV ay mali kasi kulang, at ang Catholic bible ay tama kasi kumpleto.  Pero kung Protestant ka, sasabihin mo yung KJV ay tama kasi mga orig lang ang laman, at ang Catholic bible ay mali kasi dinagdagan ng mga pirated :).

Hanggang diyan na lang ang comment ko, baka humaba, e ....  :-[
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« Reply #42 on: Sep 27, 2012 at 11:54 PM »
diyan nga din ako naguguluhan e  ;D

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Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
« Reply #43 on: Sep 28, 2012 at 06:41 AM »
Meron bang inalis? ;)   

Pero mahabang usapin yan sir. 

Depende kasi sa point of view yon.  For example: Kung Catholic ka, sasabihin mo yung KJV ay mali kasi kulang, at ang Catholic bible ay tama kasi kumpleto.  Pero kung Protestant ka, sasabihin mo yung KJV ay tama kasi mga orig lang ang laman, at ang Catholic bible ay mali kasi dinagdagan ng mga pirated :).

Hanggang diyan na lang ang comment ko, baka humaba, e ....  :-[

Tumpak kayo dyan Atty. we all have to respect others' views kapag may kahalong orientation na ang napaguusapan kasi walang magpapatalo eh.  If its just an interpretation of the verses and chapters of the bible, then by all means, argue till hell freezes over, but if its an argument that one religion is better than the other, darn, giyera na naman. :( Oil and water don't mix but both can be placed in the same glass and sparks wont fly right? ;) pwede naman mag coexist basta may respeto. hehe.  :)
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Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
« Reply #44 on: Sep 28, 2012 at 07:51 AM »
That's right. 

Sa akin, OK lang ang debate sa "The Religion Thread" sa kabila.  Pero on this "The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life" thread, siguro dapat ceasefire na sa mga debate.

Dapat lang may lugar where Christians can experience stress-free sharing, di ba?  ;)

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Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
« Reply #45 on: Sep 28, 2012 at 08:19 AM »
phillipians 4:13 has very much been my guide and my verse for my sporting inspiration.  i almost had  phl 4:13 tattoed over my left chest just above the heart area, but  decided that it would be better seen... so i always have it stitched on my jersey.

i came familiar with this verse when i saw evander holyfield beat tyson at his peak.  while everybody was rooting for tyson, evander just needed the blessing of God... he came out winning in a very very convincing way.

right now i can see another athlete inspired by this, si jon "bones" jones of mma... and the would always aknowledge this verse after the fight and i was surprised when i saw that he has this tattooed over his chest.  and now we know why he's dominating...

this is a great thread. thank you for this.. im learning a lot here.  right now im in a semi backslide, but im picking up myself to be devoted back to Him pretty soon.  i never forget to pray and talk to Him... ang naliligaw lang ng landas ko is the attending of service and ministries which im slowly trying to include in my filled schedule.

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Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
« Reply #46 on: Sep 28, 2012 at 08:51 AM »
That's right. 

Sa akin, OK lang ang debate sa "The Religion Thread" sa kabila.  Pero on this "The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life" thread, siguro dapat ceasefire na sa mga debate.

Dapat lang may lugar where Christians can experience stress-free sharing, di ba?  ;)

Thanks so much Atty.

Here's a verse para sa mga God inspired interpreters ng Bible:

Luke 12:48
48 But the one who does not know and does things deserving punishment will be beaten with few blows. From everyone who has been given much, much will be demanded; and from the one who has been entrusted with much, much more will be asked.

 ;)

diyan nga din ako naguguluhan e  ;D

It's normal bro. Tutal, magkalapit naman tayo, maybe we can help each other in out growth as children of God. Let's meet one of these days.  :)

philippinians 4:13 has very much been my guide and my verse for my sporting inspiration.  i almost had  phl 4:13 tattoed over my left chest just above the heart area, but  decided that it would be better seen... so i always have it stitched on my jersey.

i came familiar with this verse when i saw evander holyfield beat tyson at his peak.  while everybody was rooting for tyson, evander just needed the blessing of God... he came out winning in a very very convincing way.

right now i can see another athlete inspired by this, si jon "bones" jones of mma... and the would always aknowledge this verse after the fight and i was surprised when i saw that he has this tattooed over his chest.  and now we know why he's dominating...

this is a great thread. thank you for this.. im learning a lot here.  right now im in a semi backslide, but im picking up myself to be devoted back to Him pretty soon.  i never forget to pray and talk to Him... ang naliligaw lang ng landas ko is the attending of service and ministries which im slowly trying to include in my filled schedule.

Thanks for sharing. Masarap talaga yun may nakukuha tayong inspiration sa Bible. Nakakatulong sa everyday living natin maski sa sports or everyday living natin. For me kasi, attending service is one way of fellowship with other believers which also helps in inspiring us to be Jesus like.

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Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
« Reply #47 on: Sep 28, 2012 at 09:41 AM »

It's normal bro. Tutal, magkalapit naman tayo, maybe we can help each other in out growth as children of God. Let's meet one of these days.  :)

sure bro

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Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
« Reply #48 on: Sep 28, 2012 at 10:10 AM »
Meron bang inalis? ;)   


Meron sir, lalo na sa new testament. Examples are gospel of Thomas and book of Philip, marami pang iba di ko matandaan.

In fact today it is still a debate among Bible scholars which books should be included in the New Testament.

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Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
« Reply #49 on: Sep 28, 2012 at 11:16 AM »
Thanks Master Nelson for creating this thread.  I have been a Christian for a long time and have not been giving "tithes" during the service.  This doesn't mean that I do not give.  It is just not as the word implies as 1/10th of my earnings.  Let me just share you my experience in this aspect. 

10 years ago, my mom left for the States and I was left with the house.  This was an easy thing for me as I was just starting my practice and starting a family.  Within the year,  numerous demand letters arrived in the house and then I just knew that the house was long overdue for repossession by the bank.  This incident really tested my faith and I called up my mom about it.  She know about it and didn't provide any solution to it but for me to pay all the debts that was annotated in the land title for me to keep the house. I tried borrowing money from my in laws first (thru my wife). They were just living on their pension so I guess that was a dumb thing to do.  I tried also from relatives and friends who also denied my request for obvious reasons.  I felt so down and hopeless and was already looking for a place to rent. My wife and I prayed about it and when we attended church,  the message was about tithing.  I remember clearly the verse that was talked about...

Bring the whole tithe into the storehouse, that there may be food in my house. Test me in this,” says the Lord Almighty, “and see if I will not throw open the floodgates of heaven and pour out so much blessing that there will not be room enough to store it.- Malachi 3:10

That verse struck me.  On going home, my wife and I made a promise to God to give a tenth of our earnings to tithes.  As we just made the promise, the next day, my practice started to kick off for some unexplainable reason.  I had a lot of referrals and I knew it would provide me the money to pay the debts one by one.  Everyday I prayed to God and on Sunday I give exactly 1/10th of my earnings.  I realized that every Sunday, my tithes were increasing meaning I am earning more but I stood on to my promise to the Lord.  Slowly I was able to pay the debts.  The title had been cleared of the annotations.   The Lord has already answered our prayers and has provided us much.  Since we still had extra money, we decided to have the house transferred to our name.  At the Register of Deeds, it showed that the land title's real estate tax hasn't been paid for 20 years.  Since the house was built, it wasn't declared.  In order for us to have the title transferred to our name, we need to pay the tax and penalties.  We prayed to the Lord thanking Him for the blessings he had given us and said "Lord isa pang hirit..."  :) As I was reading my Daily Bread, I encountered this verse...

"Dear friends, if our hearts do not condemn us, we have confidence before God and receive from him anything we ask, because we keep his commands and do what pleases him."- 1 John 3:21-22

I realized then that when I pray, he answers back through His words.  I was thinking...."Is this a YES?"

During the time that we were in the process of having the house assessed by the assessor for the tax and penalties,  Paranaque offered tax amnesty.  This means that we will only pay the back taxes without penalties.  Praise God!  I really felt that the Lord was working with us.  After paying for everything,  we were just so happy to see our names in the land title. 

God really fulfills His promises as long as we are faithful to Him.  Eversince,  I have been helping in the ministries of the church and also in medical missions.  I admit that there are times that I backslide as we are still human and sinners but with the Grace of God he always puts me back in tow. 

Just sharing my experience.  I know that tithing is such a sensitive topic in church but nobody is compelled to give their tithes to church.  It is just faith in God and what he has done to my life that makes me want to give to Him and he hasn't failed me in His promise.

"Remember this: Whoever sows sparingly will also reap sparingly, and whoever sows generously will also reap generously.  Each of you should give what you have decided in your heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver. And God is able to bless you abundantly, so that in all things at all times, having all that you need, you will abound in every good work."- 2 Corinthians 9:6-8         

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Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
« Reply #50 on: Sep 28, 2012 at 12:03 PM »
^ we must've paid on the same year doc!my dad got lucky also, 20 years worth if penalty in a blink of an eye was given as amnesty.  Although my dad was not huge on titheing, he volunteered his services to the Church instead, he did pro bono work for the parochial school and served as a lay minister during sunday Mass.( catholic kasi kami ) i guess the lesson that i got from it is to always try and serve the lord without expecting any in return, service lang and always believe that through faith, God will provide. :-)
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« Reply #51 on: Sep 28, 2012 at 12:25 PM »
Meron sir, lalo na sa new testament. Examples are gospel of Thomas and book of Philip, marami pang iba di ko matandaan.

Talagang marami pang iba.  In fact, hindi na nga kayang tandaan sa dami.  Here's the longest list I've ever seen:

http://www.toddtyszka.com/fulllist.html

Pero walang "inalis."  I can discuss this in detail in the Religion Thread, but not here.  Papangit kasi ang thread ni sir Nelson pag dito tayo nag discuss.
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« Reply #52 on: Sep 28, 2012 at 12:47 PM »
^ we must've paid on the same year doc!my dad got lucky also, 20 years worth if penalty in a blink of an eye was given as amnesty.  Although my dad was not huge on titheing, he volunteered his services to the Church instead, he did pro bono work for the parochial school and served as a lay minister during sunday Mass.( catholic kasi kami ) i guess the lesson that i got from it is to always try and serve the lord without expecting any in return, service lang and always believe that through faith, God will provide. :-)

Actually it boils down in what is in your heart and the Lord sees that.  The exact amount is immaterial.  I am just as faithful in giving because of what I have experienced.   Sow first before you reap.   ;)

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« Reply #53 on: Sep 30, 2012 at 06:46 AM »
Thanks Master Nelson for creating this thread.  I have been a Christian for a long time and have not been giving "tithes" during the service.  This doesn't mean that I do not give.  It is just not as the word implies as 1/10th of my earnings.  Let me just share you my experience in this aspect. 

10 years ago, my mom left for the States and I was left with the house.  This was an easy thing for me as I was just starting my practice and starting a family.  Within the year,  numerous demand letters arrived in the house and then I just knew that the house was long overdue for repossession by the bank.  This incident really tested my faith and I called up my mom about it.  She know about it and didn't provide any solution to it but for me to pay all the debts that was annotated in the land title for me to keep the house. I tried borrowing money from my in laws first (thru my wife). They were just living on their pension so I guess that was a dumb thing to do.  I tried also from relatives and friends who also denied my request for obvious reasons.  I felt so down and hopeless and was already looking for a place to rent. My wife and I prayed about it and when we attended church,  the message was about tithing.  I remember clearly the verse that was talked about...

Bring the whole tithe into the storehouse, that there may be food in my house. Test me in this,” says the Lord Almighty, “and see if I will not throw open the floodgates of heaven and pour out so much blessing that there will not be room enough to store it.- Malachi 3:10

That verse struck me.  On going home, my wife and I made a promise to God to give a tenth of our earnings to tithes.  As we just made the promise, the next day, my practice started to kick off for some unexplainable reason.  I had a lot of referrals and I knew it would provide me the money to pay the debts one by one.  Everyday I prayed to God and on Sunday I give exactly 1/10th of my earnings.  I realized that every Sunday, my tithes were increasing so that means, I am earning more but I stood on to my promise to the Lord.  In short, slowly I was able to pay the debts.  The title had been cleared of the annotations.   The Lord has already answered our prayers and has provided us much.  Since we still had extra money, we decided to have the house transferred to our name.  At the Register of Deeds, it showed that the land title's real estate tax hasn't been paid for 20 years and since the house was built, it wasn't declared.  In order for us to have the title transferred to our name, we need to pay the tax and penalties.  We prayed to the Lord thanking Him for the blessings he had given us and said "Lord isa pang hirit..."  :) As I was reading my Daily Bread, I encountered this verse...

"Dear friends, if our hearts do not condemn us, we have confidence before God and receive from him anything we ask, because we keep his commands and do what pleases him."- 1 John 3:21-22

I realized then that when I pray, he answers back through His words.  I was thinking...."Is this a YES?"

During the time that we were in the process of having the house assessed by the assessor for the tax and penalties,  Paranaque offered tax amnesty.  This means that we will only pay the back taxes without penalties.  Praise God!  I really felt that the Lord was working with us.  After paying for everything,  we were just so happy to see our names in the land title. 

God really fulfills His promises as long as we are faithful to Him.  Eversince,  I have been helping in the ministries of the church and also in medical missions.  I admit that there are times that I backslide as we are still human and sinners but with the Grace of God he always puts me back in tow. 

Just sharing my experience.  I know that tithing is such a sensitive topic in church and nobody is compelled to give their tithes to church.  It is just faith in God and what he has done to my life that makes me want to give to Him and he hasn't failed me in His promise.

"Remember this: Whoever sows sparingly will also reap sparingly, and whoever sows generously will also reap generously.  Each of you should give what you have decided in your heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver. And God is able to bless you abundantly, so that in all things at all times, having all that you need, you will abound in every good work."- 2 Corinthians 9:6-8       

Great inspiring story doc. God bless
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« Reply #54 on: Sep 30, 2012 at 08:59 PM »
Great inspiring story doc. God bless

Thanks Raymund.  Miracles do happen.  ;)

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« Reply #55 on: Oct 01, 2012 at 02:58 AM »
Thanks Raymund.  Miracles do happen.  ;)

There was this saying sa church. If we can try to list all of our prayer request and mark those that have been answered, magugulat daw tayo how God have always listened to our prayers.

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« Reply #56 on: Oct 01, 2012 at 11:01 AM »
There was this saying sa church. If we can try to list all of our prayer request and mark those that have been answered, magugulat daw tayo how God have always listened to our prayers.

Read the life and testimonies of George Mueller and you'll see a Man of Prayer experiencing amazing miracles.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_M%C3%BCller


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« Reply #57 on: Oct 03, 2012 at 09:16 AM »
Read the life and testimonies of George Mueller and you'll see a Man of Prayer experiencing amazing miracles.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_M%C3%BCller

A very good example of prayer at work. Thanks for the link. Very inspiring din.

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« Reply #58 on: Oct 10, 2012 at 05:58 PM »
Just sharing one of the links I came through today:

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Sovereignty and faith are not mutually exclusive. When we look at the men and women of the Bible, and all that they walked through and saw God fulfill, we see that the two go hand in hand.  Listening to the two extremes of Christians here on earth is what causes us to believe they are mutually exclusive.

True Biblical faith begins with accepting the Lordship of Christ. Just as it is that way with faith unto salvation, it is that way with faith unto fulfillment of all of God’s promises—universal or personal.

http://www.shadesofgrace.org/2010/12/31/overcoming-adversity-101-pt-9-sovereignty-vs-healing/

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Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
« Reply #59 on: Oct 15, 2012 at 07:19 AM »
I will just post this here rather than the other thread.


Heaven is real, says neurosurgeon who claims to have visited the afterlife
By Eric Pfeiffer, Yahoo! News

   
Dr. Eben Alexander claims to have visited the afterlife (Twitter)Dr. Eben Alexander has taught at Harvard Medical School and has earned a strong reputation as a neurosurgeon. And while Alexander says he's long called himself a Christian, he never held deeply religious beliefs or a pronounced faith in the afterlife.

But after a week in a coma during the fall of 2008, during which his neocortex ceased to function, Alexander claims he experienced a life-changing visit to the afterlife, specifically heaven.

"According to current medical understanding of the brain and mind, there is absolutely no way that I could have experienced even a dim and limited consciousness during my time in the coma, much less the hyper-vivid and completely coherent odyssey I underwent," Alexander writes in the cover story of this week's edition of Newsweek.

So what exactly does heaven look like?

Alexander says he first found himself floating above clouds before witnessing, "transparent, shimmering beings arced across the sky, leaving long, streamer like lines behind them."

He claims to have been escorted by an unknown female companion and says he communicated with these beings through a method of correspondence that transcended language. Alexander says the messages he received from those beings loosely translated as:

"You are loved and cherished, dearly, forever."

"You have nothing to fear."

"There is nothing you can do wrong."

From there, Alexander claims to have traveled to "an immense void, completely dark, infinite in size, yet also infinitely comforting." He believes this void was the home of God.

After recovering from his meningitis-induced coma, Alexander says he was reluctant to share his experience with his colleagues but found comfort inside the walls of his church. He's chronicled his experience in a new book, "Proof of Heaven: A neurosurgeon's journey into the afterlife," which will be published in late October.

"I'm still a doctor, and still a man of science every bit as much as I was before I had my experience," Alexander writes. "But on a deep level I'm very different from the person I was before, because I've caught a glimpse of this emerging picture of reality. And you can believe me when I tell you that it will be worth every bit of the work it will take us, and those who come after us, to get it right."