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« Reply #30 on: Jul 24, 2015 at 01:37 PM »
 
onga ano pong ngyayari?

http://www.rappler.com/nation/100237-iglesia-cristo-help-hostage-sign


Hindi ako INC, at hindi rin ako naniniwala sa INC doctrines. Pero duda ako sa hostage signs na yon.

Sabi niya hostage siya, pero puwede siyang humawak ng papel, folders at pentel, magsulat ng messages, magbukas ng malaking bintana, at magtutok ng mga malalaking messages sa labas ng malaking bintana. Napakaluwag naman ng mga bantay ng hostage na ito.

Ewan lang natin. Speculation lang, kasi hindi pa malinaw ang lahat.

Pero bilib naman ako sa mga INC members, hindi basta-basta nagbibigay ng opinyon habang wala pang malinaw. Mga disiplinado siguro talaga ang mga members.

 
Nakakapagtaka, hostage daw siya, ang lalaki ng mga signs na idinungaw sa bintana, pero parang ayaw magpakita ng mukha.  Puro daliri lang niya ang makikita mo...  :D
 
 
 
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Sabi na nga ba, parang hindi totoo na may hostage:
 
 
Cops rule out abduction in Iglesia compound
(2nd UPDATE) Angel Manalo, brother of Iglesia ni Cristo

head Eduardo Manalo, also denies he was abducted
Katerina Francisco
Published 12:17 AM, July 24, 2015
Updated 4:00 AM, Jul 24, 2015
http://www.rappler.com/nation/100298-iglesia-cristo-police-tandang-sora-compound
 
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Re: Non-Catholic
« Reply #31 on: Jul 24, 2015 at 02:00 PM »
For me, walang ka kwenta kwenta yun pag imbestiga ng mga pulis.  The least they could have done is to look around inside and make sure that the person facing them is not under duress.

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« Reply #32 on: Jul 24, 2015 at 02:04 PM »
For me, walang ka kwenta kwenta yun pag imbestiga ng mga pulis.  The least they could have done is to look around inside and make sure that the person facing them is not under duress.

They say the INC controls the police.

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Re: Non-Catholic
« Reply #33 on: Jul 25, 2015 at 09:49 AM »

‘Deep Throat’ shakes up Iglesia Ni Cristo
PDI told: Mystery blogger started it all
Philippine Daily Inquirer
02:52 AM July 25th, 2015

... Rosales enumerated purchases, including “two choppers” and an “Airbus.”
 
She also pointed to a minister who owned several expensive condominium units in posh Bonifacio Global City.
 
“One minister even drives a Lamborghini,” she added.
 
“The families of these ministers fly on the INC Airbus for trips abroad and go on shopping sprees. They sport Louis Vuittons,” she said.
 
These jaw-dropping allegations cry out for investigation.
 
Ministers are not paid much, she said.
 
“We do not refer to their pay as salaries but as aid,” Rosales said.
 
There are ministers who started off already rich so they have cars and all, she said. But there are ministers who became wealthy along the way in questionable ways, she added.
 
... A major cause of dissent is Philippine Arena in Ciudad de Victoria in Bulacan province, inaugurated last year in time for INC’s 100th anniversary.
 
Often described as a showcase of INC’s power and wealth, the 55,000-seat Philippine Arena cost a whopping $200 million and has been declared the world’s largest indoor area by Guinness World Records.
 
“How can they recover the cost?” Rosales asked.
 
Holding concerts there that are not in keeping with INC’s teachings has raised eyebrows, she said, adding that last year’s New Year’s Eve concert by US R&B star Chris Brown that fell through was proof of how the venue was becoming a white elephant.
 
When INC members troop to the arena in rented buses, Rosales said, they bring packed food and drinks in order to save on expenses.
 
“What do the guards do? They make the people leave their drinks. The members should buy water sold by INC businessmen. Members are asked to sell tickets for events. During worship services they are asked to buy items on sale,” Rosales said.
 
http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/707540/deep-throat-shakes-up-iglesia-ni-cristo

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Re: Non-Catholic
« Reply #34 on: Jul 25, 2015 at 11:37 AM »
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Re: Non-Catholic
« Reply #35 on: Jul 25, 2015 at 12:50 PM »
this is not surprising, many of the members are well off anyway...
how do we defend our freedom? by the truth when it is assaulted by Marcos lies....

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Re: Non-Catholic
« Reply #36 on: Jul 25, 2015 at 02:48 PM »
this is not surprising, many of the members are well off anyway...

being well off i think is not surprising....what is surprising is that they are using their church to advance the personal interest of some members and to profit from it bigtym....
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Re: Non-Catholic
« Reply #37 on: Jul 25, 2015 at 08:44 PM »
masakit para sa medyo mahihirap na members... tsk tsk - kung totoo man.

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Re: Non-Catholic
« Reply #38 on: Jul 25, 2015 at 09:15 PM »
the richest family in the philippines are not the ayalas, sy's, zobels or gokongweis...its the manalos. Di lang makita ang wealth nila since religious sect sila.

I feel sorry for my friends who are INC members, forced at nagtitiis sila to give 10% monthly for their ministers to enjoy.
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« Reply #39 on: Jul 25, 2015 at 09:36 PM »
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« Reply #40 on: Jul 25, 2015 at 09:43 PM »
^ teka, yan bang 10% o ikapo eh compulsary pati sa mahirap na members o hanggang middle class lang ang pinakamababa nilang mga kasapi nila?

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« Reply #41 on: Jul 25, 2015 at 09:44 PM »
INC. Daig pa ang networking (scam) nito. Aba matinde, members are giving 10% fromtheir income without getting any physical product in return.

Para silang nag iinvest without getting any; except yung pangakong sila lang ang maliligtas.

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« Reply #42 on: Jul 25, 2015 at 11:00 PM »
INC. Daig pa ang networking (scam) nito. Aba matinde, members are giving 10% fromtheir income without getting any physical product in return.

Para silang nag iinvest without getting any; except yung pangakong sila lang ang maliligtas.

Physical product in return? Well kung ang bawat tao ay ineexpect na kapag nagbigay ng ikapu eh may matatanggap sila na physical product abe eh they deserved a corrupt church leader.

Why do we go to church? To gain physical products or to grow spiritually?

Kaya dapat church must be local in nature not universal like inc and rc.

Iyong malaking portion ng ikapu kasi ng mga inc members ay napupunta sa central office ng inc/rc instead na mapunta lahat sa local church.
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« Reply #43 on: Jul 25, 2015 at 11:06 PM »
^Tax free?
yes tax free. Govt cant do anything since they are religious sect. They dont even pay yearly realty tax (amilyar) on any of their churches to the local govt.

^ teka, yan bang 10% o ikapo eh compulsary pati sa mahirap na members o hanggang middle class lang ang pinakamababa nilang mga kasapi nila?
compulsory iyan. Basta member ka. We recently once had a maid is INC and registered in an inc church nearby sa amin. Di siya regular churchgoer pero may pumupunta na goon sa house namin to remind her of her monthly obligation. Buti na lang umalis na sa amin yung maid na yun. But still bumalik pa din yung goon. Sinabihan ng isang maid namin yung goon na umalis na nga.

INC. Daig pa ang networking (scam) nito. Aba matinde, members are giving 10% fromtheir income without getting any physical product in return.

Para silang nag iinvest without getting any; except yung pangakong sila lang ang maliligtas.
In fairness to the INC may mga program sila minsan like free checkup, dental, law consultation..etc. But still not worth the 10% monthly IMO.
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« Reply #44 on: Jul 25, 2015 at 11:42 PM »
^ teka, yan bang 10% o ikapo eh compulsary pati sa mahirap na members o hanggang middle class lang ang pinakamababa nilang mga kasapi nila?

Walang 10% (or tithe or ikapu) sa INC.

Ibang sekta ang sinasabi mo siguro, sir.  Like Baptists, Born Again, El Shaddai, Mormons, Sabadista, etc

However, wala ngang ikapu ang INC, marami naman silang ibang abuluyan, like Santa Cena, tanging handugan, tanging handugan sa distrito, lagak, pasasalamat, pasasalamat sa anibersaryo/midyear, regular offering (abuloy), abuloy sa Miyerkules/Huwebes, etc.

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Re: Non-Catholic
« Reply #45 on: Jul 26, 2015 at 12:25 AM »
Physical product in return? Well kung ang bawat tao ay ineexpect na kapag nagbigay ng ikapu eh may matatanggap sila na physical product abe eh they deserved a corrupt church leader.

Why do we go to church? To gain physical products or to grow spiritually?

Kaya dapat church must be local in nature not universal like inc and rc.

Iyong malaking portion ng ikapu kasi ng mga inc members ay napupunta sa central office ng inc/rc instead na mapunta lahat sa local church.

Ano naman kinalaman ng local o universal? Kung "universal" mas malaki bigayan? Minamaliit mo ba ang bigayan ng ibang relihiyon na "local"? Kailangan ba maging "local" para hindi lumaki ang ulo ng mga namumuno?

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« Reply #46 on: Jul 26, 2015 at 12:56 AM »
Physical product in return? Well kung ang bawat tao ay ineexpect na kapag nagbigay ng ikapu eh may matatanggap sila na physical product abe eh they deserved a corrupt church leader.

Why do we go to church? To gain physical products or to grow spiritually?

Kaya dapat church must be local in nature not universal like inc and rc.

Iyong malaking portion ng ikapu kasi ng mga inc members ay napupunta sa central office ng inc/rc instead na mapunta lahat sa local church.

I think you did not get my point.

To me INC is a scam/business. So that's why I am not joining their membership because I can see any gain from my investment.

I rather invest the 10% of my income in legitimate business where I can earn and will donate to my church certain amount based on what I can/want.
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« Reply #47 on: Jul 26, 2015 at 02:17 AM »
Any religion right or false religion is an income generating organization... But we dont just give money or join a church as an investment. But every member of a certain church must know that the life of those who feed them spiritually depend on how much money they give.

We give to support the church in their basic monthly expenses and any excess must be use for the advancement of the Word of God. Rest assured when we give, our investment is not on this world, its in our afterlife.

Giving though should not be required or forced to members but teach them let them learn how to give in kind or of monetary value.

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« Reply #48 on: Jul 26, 2015 at 02:35 AM »
Any religion right or false religion is an income generating organization... But we dont just give money or join a church as an investment. But every member of a certain church must know that the life of those who feed them spiritually depend on how much money they give.

We give to support the church in their basic monthly expenses and any excess must be use for the advancement of the Word of God. Rest assured when we give, our investment is not on this world, its in our afterlife.

Giving though should not be required or forced to members but teach them let them learn how to give in kind or of monetary value.



Then again, as Ive said, INC in my opinion is a scam. I don't categorized them as religion.

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« Reply #49 on: Jul 26, 2015 at 02:44 AM »
Gusto ko man isipin yan... But inc still a religion... Kasi kung iisipin natin na hindi religion ang inc then you should think the same for roman catholic... Some of their leader is much worse than some leaders of  inc.
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« Reply #50 on: Jul 26, 2015 at 07:13 AM »
Any religion right or false religion is an income generating organization... But we dont just give money or join a church as an investment. But every member of a certain church must know that the life of those who feed them spiritually depend on how much money they give.

We give to support the church in their basic monthly expenses and any excess must be use for the advancement of the Word of God. Rest assured when we give, our investment is not on this world, its in our afterlife.

Giving though should not be required or forced to members but teach them let them learn how to give in kind or of monetary value.



Kung tatanungin natin mga iba't ibang relihiyon tiyak ang karamihan na sagot ay boluntaryo - ibig sabihin dahil gusto nila hindi dahil sa pinipilit ng simbahan nila. Palagay ko alam mo rin sa dalawang tinukoy mong partikular na relihiyon na boluntaryo ito.

Ang problema hindi ito kung hindi ang pamumuhay ng lagpas sa pangangailangan. Huwag natin idamay o sabihin na partikular sa isa o dalawang relihiyon puwera lang siguro kung masama talaga tinuturo gaya ng ibang tao dito. Gustong magpundar ng isang paniniwala ngunit sablay naman kapag dinebate.

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Re: Non-Catholic
« Reply #51 on: Jul 26, 2015 at 07:19 AM »
Gusto ko man isipin yan... But inc still a religion... Kasi kung iisipin natin na hindi religion ang inc then you should think the same for roman catholic... Some of their leader is much worse than some leaders of  inc.

Banggitin ko rin sa hanay ng mga katoto mo mayroon din masamang elemento. Bakit ba partikular na tumutukoy ka sa INC at RC. Sa pananalita mo lumalabas na may sama ka ng loob. Kala ko ba sa hanay ka ng tapat sa panginoon.

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« Reply #52 on: Jul 26, 2015 at 07:37 AM »
Kaya nga sabi kasi niya inc is not a religion kasi more on business siya ... But for me inc still a religion... Whether it is a false or not..... It caters to the faith on god... Kc kung ang basehan lang natin ay ang pagiging business ng isang relgiom abe eh mas matindi ang ibang pinuno ng rc, its not my opinion only history shows how corrupt ang ilang leader ng rc. . Nasa tao yan wala sa religion.

As i said to my post certain leaders... Not all... Some leaders... Not all... :-)  also inc at rc lang alam kong sigurado ako na universal church - un money collected ay napupunta sa central office... Kaya di maiwasan ng ibang chirch leader na gumawa ng masama... Were still in our physical form afterall. Very vulnerable.

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« Reply #53 on: Jul 26, 2015 at 07:38 AM »
sa lahat ng gubat me ahas....

religion is big business....
me bayad or donation sa kasal binyang at libing...
me mga eskuwelahan, hostpital, bangko at iba pa ang mga malalaking religion....
siyempre bukod sa colecton sa misa, kumikita ang kanilang mga negosyo....
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« Reply #54 on: Jul 26, 2015 at 07:42 AM »
And since those snakes usually are leaders... Ayun damay lahat ng kalimgkingan... Pati walang malay na miyembro magsisimba para matuto at lumagospiritwal nadadamay..  Uuwi siya biglamay magsasabi "ano ba yangreligion mo corrupt" kawawa naman.. Di naman lahat corrupt nadamay pa. :-(
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« Reply #55 on: Jul 26, 2015 at 07:46 AM »
Nahihilo ako sa kababasa ng pinaghalong ingles at tagalog. Puwede ba natin gawing dire diretsong ingles o dire diretsong tagalog lang. Sa nakikita ko sa ibang mga bansa hindi nila pinagsasama sama ang local at dayuhang wika eh. Isipin mo nasa Amerika ka at nagbasa ka ng isang pahayagan at nakita mong may halong Ingles, Espanol at Mandarin. Matutuwa ka ba?

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« Reply #56 on: Jul 26, 2015 at 07:49 AM »
And since those snakes usually are leaders... Ayun damay lahat ng kalimgkingan... Pati walang malay na miyembro magsisimba para matuto at lumagospiritwal nadadamay..  Uuwi siya biglamay magsasabi "ano ba yangreligion mo corrupt" kawawa naman.. Di naman lahat corrupt nadamay pa. :-(

Tama ka dito.

Hindi pala ako nahilo dito. Mas maayos dahil hindi naghalo ang ingles at tagalog sa isang pangungusap.

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« Reply #57 on: Jul 26, 2015 at 07:49 AM »
naku sa ibang banasa pa......more of the same...pareparehas lang yan....
sa lahat man ng sulok ng mundo....ewan ko lang ang mga muslim kun merong kolesiyon
tuwing byernes....

pag may nagbibigay ng pera sa simbahan me corruption.....
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« Reply #58 on: Jul 26, 2015 at 07:51 AM »
And since those snakes usually are leaders... Ayun damay lahat ng kalimgkingan... Pati walang malay na miyembro magsisimba para matuto at lumagospiritwal nadadamay..  Uuwi siya biglamay magsasabi "ano ba yangreligion mo corrupt" kawawa naman.. Di naman lahat corrupt nadamay pa. :-(

ganyan ang kalakaran sa mundo......
me nagbibigay at me bnibigyan...
yung binigyan yumayaman....
yung nagbibigay same same lang....
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« Reply #59 on: Jul 26, 2015 at 08:02 AM »
sa lahat ng gubat me ahas....

religion is big business....
me bayad or donation sa kasal binyang at libing...
me mga eskuwelahan, hostpital, bangko at iba pa ang mga malalaking religion....
siyempre bukod sa colecton sa misa, kumikita ang kanilang mga negosyo....
re: business...may kilala akong kontraktor, tinanong ko sya kung kilala nya yung kakilala ko ring isa pang kontraktor(a pastor, as well) ang sabi e, " kilala ko yun, yung nagbebenta ng salita ng Diyos" .... Medyo nangilabot ako sa sinabi nya...ang tingin nya rin ay negosyo ang pagtatayo ng relihiyon..
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