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Re: Non-Catholic
« Reply #60 on: Jul 26, 2015 at 08:06 AM »
Dahil sa bulok na mga lider ng isang religion nadadmay ang tama at tunay na religion.

Kaya may mga tao na mawawalan ng paniniwala sa Diyos dahil sa kagagawan ng mga taong ito.
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Re: Non-Catholic
« Reply #61 on: Jul 26, 2015 at 08:15 AM »
Ika nga, money is the root of all evil...mapa religion man, eskwelahan o gobyerno. Pag walang mabuting mekanismo sa pagtatanod ng mga humahawak ng pera at ang mga miembro ay mahina o walang kapangyarihan mag-usisa, tyak mangyayari ang katiwalian. I'm stating the obvious but we never learn.
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Re: Non-Catholic
« Reply #62 on: Jul 26, 2015 at 08:23 AM »
^ mabuti na rin siguro kaysa naman matulad sa sinapit ng mga members ni Jim Jones at ng People's Temple.... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Jones o di kaya ni David Koresh, ng branch Davidians...https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Koresh

yang pagmamahal sa salapi natural na sa tao.... >:D >:D >:D
how do we defend our freedom? by the truth when it is assaulted by Marcos lies....

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Re: Non-Catholic
« Reply #63 on: Jul 26, 2015 at 08:50 AM »
pansinin nyo maigi sa mahihirap na bansa na lang may "religion" ang tao. sa mga bansang mayayaman halos lahat atheist or wala na silang time for any religious rites

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Re: Non-Catholic
« Reply #64 on: Jul 26, 2015 at 09:04 AM »
Pansinin din ninyo iyung mga utang ng mga mayayamang bansa na iyan.

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Re: Non-Catholic
« Reply #65 on: Jul 26, 2015 at 09:05 AM »
Ika nga, money is the root of all evil...mapa religion man, eskwelahan o gobyerno.

Hindi tamang sabihin na money is the root of all evil. 

Maraming kabutihan ang nagagawa ng salapi.  Puwedeng pang tuition, pambili ng gamot, pambili ng pagkain, panlingap sa mga ulila at matatanda.

Ang wika, "the love of money is the root of all evil" (1 Tim. 6:10).

Samakatuwid, hindi salapi, kundi ang "pagmamahal sa salapi" ang ugat ng lahat ng kasamaan.
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« Reply #66 on: Jul 26, 2015 at 09:10 AM »
You are absolutely right. Thanks for the correction.
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Re: Non-Catholic
« Reply #67 on: Jul 26, 2015 at 09:42 AM »
Ang naging problema sa INC, yung sistema nila na anak ang pumapalit sa puno.

Ngayong ang puno ay tila puppet na lang ng sanggunian ng Iglesya (the highest advisory group of their church), paano mong aalisin ang puno ngayon?  Wala ring sistema ng impeachment.

Dapat elected ang puno nila.

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Re: Non-Catholic
« Reply #68 on: Jul 26, 2015 at 09:44 AM »
Ang naging problema sa INC, yung sistema nila na anak ang pumapalit sa puno.

Ngayong ang puno ay tila puppet na lang ng sanggunian ng Iglesya (the highest advisory group of their church), paano mong aalisin ang puno ngayon?  Wala ring sistema ng impeachment.

Dapat elected ang puno nila.

Kapag elected, that will counter-act the "sugo" principle.

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Re: Non-Catholic
« Reply #69 on: Jul 26, 2015 at 09:48 AM »
pansinin nyo maigi sa mahihirap na bansa na lang may "religion" ang tao. sa mga bansang mayayaman halos lahat atheist or wala na silang time for any religious rites

punta ka sa US, naroon lahat ng religions...
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Re: Non-Catholic
« Reply #70 on: Jul 26, 2015 at 09:57 AM »
Kapag elected, that will counter-act the "sugo" principle.


Hindi naman.

Si Ka Felix ang "Huling Sugo ng Diyos sa mga Huling Araw." 

Ang huling sugo ay si Ka Felix, hindi yung anak at apo.  Kasi wala na raw sugo na susunod sa kanya.  Si Ka Felix na ang "Anghel Mula sa Sikatan ng Araw;" ang "Ibong Mandaragit."

Puwede nilang ibigay sa iba ang posisyon ng Tagapamahalang Pangkalahatan (Executive Minister), habang nananatiling Huling Sugo ang kapatid na Felix.  So they can elect a new Executive Minister, while maintaining the Huling Sugo doctrine.
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Re: Non-Catholic
« Reply #71 on: Jul 26, 2015 at 10:04 AM »
punta ka sa US, naroon lahat ng religions...

Isa lang ibig sabihin niyan pabagsak na ang US... Hindi man ekonomiya pero sigurado ako sa moral na status bagsak na ang US...
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Re: Non-Catholic
« Reply #72 on: Jul 26, 2015 at 10:11 AM »
naku sa ibang banasa pa......more of the same...pareparehas lang yan....
sa lahat man ng sulok ng mundo....ewan ko lang ang mga muslim kun merong kolesiyon
tuwing byernes....

pag may nagbibigay ng pera sa simbahan me corruption.....

zakkah one of 5 pillars os islam. 2.5% of yearly savings compulsary contribution.

ka tony, basta charismatic may gift of tongue pwede na

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Re: Non-Catholic
« Reply #73 on: Jul 26, 2015 at 10:13 AM »
Dito sa Tsina walang relihiyon pero sobra naman ang pagmamahal sa pera. Ibig ba sabihin eh uunlad sila?

Kamakalawa lang eh halos "stock market crash" na.

May relihiyon o wala ang bansa kung babagsak eh babagsak talaga.

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Re: Non-Catholic
« Reply #74 on: Jul 26, 2015 at 10:14 AM »
Isa lang ibig sabihin niyan pabagsak na ang US... Hindi man ekonomiya pero sigurado ako sa moral na status bagsak na ang US...

pabagsak o bagsak?
anong ibidens mo? may batayan ba yan na porke nandun lahat ng relihiyon eh
bagsak na? statistics namsn jan!
morals ng mga amerkano. diba gumagaya tayo sa mga gawain nila
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Re: Non-Catholic
« Reply #75 on: Jul 26, 2015 at 10:17 AM »
Bumabagsak ang Amerika dahil sa utang. Palabas ang pera at konti lang papasok. Kamakailan lang eh umutang sa Tsina.

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Re: Non-Catholic
« Reply #76 on: Jul 26, 2015 at 10:18 AM »
money material wealth yan ang diyos ng iba, cover na lang un religion nila
greed,lust for power n wealth yan sumira sumisira sisira sa tao

repent d end is near!

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Re: Non-Catholic
« Reply #77 on: Jul 26, 2015 at 10:23 AM »
Tama ka Brader. Syempre dapat mukhang inosente para hindi halata.


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Re: Non-Catholic
« Reply #78 on: Jul 26, 2015 at 10:23 AM »
punta ka sa US, naroon lahat ng religions...

off course andun lahat religion what I am trying to say is yung participation of its members towards their respective religion. punta ka europe parang empty museum n lang cchurches dun even on a sunday

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Re: Non-Catholic
« Reply #79 on: Jul 26, 2015 at 10:46 AM »
pabagsak o bagsak?
anong ibidens mo? may batayan ba yan na porke nandun lahat ng relihiyon eh
bagsak na? statistics namsn jan!
morals ng mga amerkano. diba gumagaya tayo sa mga gawain nila

50+ years of history
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Re: Non-Catholic
« Reply #80 on: Jul 26, 2015 at 11:51 AM »
Gusto ko man isipin yan... But inc still a religion... Kasi kung iisipin natin na hindi religion ang inc then you should think the same for roman catholic... Some of their leader is much worse than some leaders of  inc.

INC is not a true church because it is founded by man here in the Philippines and not Jesus Christ ; Jesus Christ is not building a religion.

So there, INC is just a scam.

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Re: Non-Catholic
« Reply #81 on: Jul 26, 2015 at 12:02 PM »
INC is not a true church because it is founded by man here in the Philippines and not Jesus Christ ; Jesus Christ is not building a religion.

So there, INC is just a scam.

I feel you sir... Still INC remains a religion whether it is true or a false church. :-(

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Re: Non-Catholic
« Reply #82 on: Jul 26, 2015 at 12:15 PM »
I feel you sir... Still INC remains a religion whether it is true or a false church. :-(



Oh dont feel for me, feel for those INC members not knowing they were scammed.

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Re: Non-Catholic
« Reply #83 on: Jul 26, 2015 at 01:20 PM »
Our politicians are among those scammed.  How so?  They think the INC is a kingmaker. 
 
Estimated membership of the INC: 2 million.  That's about 2% of the population.  How can 2% of the population block vote a presidential candidate into office?  Impossible.
 
But how does the INC convince people that they are indeed a kingmaker?
 
Very easy.  Wait until a few days before the date of the elections before announcing your choice.  Look at the surveys, and endorse the candidate leading the surveys.  The survey leader wins the elections, and people think you block voted him into office.
 
In the last surveys before the 2010 presidential elections, Pulse Asia result (April 2010) was P-Noy for president and Roxas for VP.  SWS result (May 2010) was P-Noy for president and a tie for Roxas & Binay for VP. 
 
Taking the surveys into consideration, which is the best choice?  P-Noy and Mar Roxas, of course.
 
May 5, 2010 (only 5 days before elections), INC announces its official endorsements:
 
Iglesia Ni Cristo endorses Noynoy Aquino, Mar Roxas
Posted by akosistella on May 5, 2010
https://pulitika2010.wordpress.com/2010/05/05/iglesia-ni-cristo-endorses-noynoy-aquino-mar-roxas/
 
The survey results were obviously the basis for their choice.
 
Result?
 
Aquino and Binay.  Talo si Mar Roxas, na ang INC endorsement ay kinopya lang sa survey.
 
 
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Now let's look at their senatorial endorsements for 2010.  Out of the top 12 senatoriables, the INC chose 11.
 
I said on May 5, 2010:
 
Out of the top 12 from the last surveys by SWS and Pulse Asia, the INC picked 11.

Ruffy Biazon is the only endorsement who does not appear on the top 12 of the last SWS and Pulse Asia Surveys (Biazon is No. 16 on SWS and No. 18 on Pulse Asia).

I'd like to see how Biazon performs in this election. Let's see if the INC endorsement really affects the outcome of elections ...  ;)
 
If Biazon wins a senatorial seat, the INC endorsement might have something to do with it.
 
Actual results?  Biazon loses, of course:
 
Here's the list of the 12 senators proclaimed:

Ramon Revilla Jr.;
Jinggoy Estrada;
Miriam Defensor-Santiago;
Franklin Drilon;
Juan Ponce Enrile;
Pia Cayetano;
Ferdinand Marcos Jr.;
Ralph Recto;
Vicente “Tito” Sotto III;
Manuel Lito Lapid;
Teofisto Guingona III; and
Sergio Osmeña III


As expected, Ruffy Biazon is nowhere to be found.  :D

 

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Bakit masyadong sigurista?
 
Kasi sinuportahan nila si Danding Conjuangco for president in 1992.  Resulta, hindi lang talo, kulelat pa.  Lesson learned.
 
But the general public, did they notice that the INC cannot make a king?  No.
 
Madali lang namang hulaan kung sino ang susuportahan ng INC. They will endorse whoever is leading the surveys.

sir is that merely an assumption or a historical fact? pero hula ko rin yun ie-endorse nila.

Yes, historical yan. Nagtataka nga ako kung bakit hindi napapansin ng mga tao.

Don't forget, sinuportahan nila si Danding in 1992, natalo. After 1992, they just endorse whoever is leading the surveys, then announce the endorsement only a few days before election day.

1992 - The INC endorsed Danding Cojuangco several months before election day.
- April 1992 SWS survey: FVR & Miriam tied at 1st & 2nd place; Danding 3rd place.
- May 11, 1992 elections - Talo si Danding. He finished 3rd place, natalo pa ni Miriam.

After 1992, the INC never endorsed that far ahead of election day again.

1998 - Erap was leading the survey by a very wide margin.
- INC endorsed Erap on May 6 or 7, 1998.
- May 11, 1998 elections - Erap won.

2004 - Latest survey showed a near tie between GMA & FPJ, but GMA was still leading by a very small margin.
- INC endorsed GMA on May 6, 2004.
- May 10, 2004 elections - GMA won.
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Re: Non-Catholic
« Reply #84 on: Jul 26, 2015 at 04:06 PM »
INC is not a true church because it is founded by man here in the Philippines and not Jesus Christ ; Jesus Christ is not building a religion.

So there, INC is just a scam.

i wonder, is there a true church? all of them seems to cater to MONEY and all its implications....
what we know about Jesus Christ and what we see with these churches seem to contradict one another...
how do we defend our freedom? by the truth when it is assaulted by Marcos lies....

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« Reply #85 on: Jul 26, 2015 at 04:17 PM »
siguro sa national level hindi ganun ang epekto ng boto ng INC. pero sa local level, napakaimportante and you can see it sa election returns. this is not a guess, its a fact!
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Re: Non-Catholic
« Reply #86 on: Jul 26, 2015 at 04:28 PM »
i wonder, is there a true church? all of them seems to cater to MONEY and all its implications....
what we know about Jesus Christ and what we see with these churches
 seem to contradict one another...

sabi ni pareng bob,,,d answer my friend is blowing in d wind

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Re: Non-Catholic
« Reply #87 on: Jul 26, 2015 at 04:30 PM »
Oh dont feel for me, feel for those INC members not knowing they were scammed.

Yup. True.i feel for 96% of the Philippines' population. :-(
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Re: Non-Catholic
« Reply #88 on: Jul 26, 2015 at 04:46 PM »
siguro sa national level hindi ganun ang epekto ng boto ng INC. pero sa local level, napakaimportante and you can see it sa election returns. this is not a guess, its a fact!


How did you know?  Did you see the survey results at the local level?

The INC make their own surveys at the local level.
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« Reply #89 on: Jul 26, 2015 at 07:09 PM »

How did you know?  Did you see the survey results at the local level?

The INC make their own surveys at the local level.

talagang may sariling survey sa local level. at minsan ang survey sa local level nababali ng central....marami ng nangyari na malakas sa survey pero hindi nadala ng kapatiran dito sa probinsya namen. hindi naman yon ang point of contention ko eh. ang sinasabi ko yung block voting nila totoo. kse madami akong alam na baranggay dito samen na majority ang iglesia at nagmamanifest yon sa election returns. ngayon kung ikaw ay politiko, catch vote yon eh so bkt hindi mo sila susuyuin? eh sa pulitika, paramihan nga ng kakampi eh!

bigyan kita example. sa marinduque hindi masyadong factor ang iglesia vote sa provincial level kse konti lang ang bilang nila in relation sa total voting polupation. pero sa GASAN na isang bayan doon, na heavy ang concentration ng INC, baka humigit kumulang na trenta porsyento ang kanilang populasyon. hindi mo ba bibigyang halaga? sasabihin mo na hindi factor yung boto ng INC, at ang dinala nila ay yung nangunguna sa survey?  it is not fair to say na na scam ng INC ang mga pulitoko. kse nagtotoo naman sila sa pagboto sayo, maaring hindi lahat, pero tiyak na yung nakararami ay sumusunod dito. saka hindi naman sinabi ng INC na sure win ka pag dinala ka nila, tao lang ang nag aasume na panalo ka na pag dinala ng INC.


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