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Re: Jerrold Tarog's Heneral Luna
« Reply #60 on: Sep 24, 2015 at 08:46 PM »
went to watch hotel transylvania 2 yesterday and to my surprise haba ng pila sa tickets.. majority were students lining up to watch Heneral Luna. nirequire siguro ng school manuod to make a movie report. samantalang nilalangaw ang mga upuan when i watch this on the first week. sana the students were there to watch on their own volition and not because thy were required to do so...

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Re: Jerrold Tarog's Heneral Luna
« Reply #61 on: Sep 25, 2015 at 12:45 AM »
Half price lang ata kase pag estudyante. Kayang kaya na for a hundred peso ticket.

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Re: Jerrold Tarog's Heneral Luna
« Reply #62 on: Sep 25, 2015 at 02:36 AM »
Just want to say Noni Buencamino is in top form in this film. Pinakapaborito ko mga eksena nila ni Heneral L.

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Re: Jerrold Tarog's Heneral Luna
« Reply #63 on: Sep 25, 2015 at 02:48 AM »
Random questions heard and seen on social media about the film:

1. True to life ba ito, kuya?
2. Bakit si Mabini lagi lang nakaupo?
3. Tatay ba ni Paulene si Heneral?
4.  ...

Feel free to continue...

di ko alam kung joke joke lang ang mga tanong na ito or di talaga alam :(:(:(

itinuturo pa ba ito sa school ngayon - philippine history mga bayani?... ang anak ko kasi (Gr.3) walang idea sino sina Miguel Malvar etc or di lang nag-aaral anak ko o di pa tinuturo sa Gr.3? :):):)
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Re: Jerrold Tarog's Heneral Luna
« Reply #64 on: Sep 25, 2015 at 06:16 AM »
^ Natatandaan ko during my early elementary school days, mayroong "Heroes' corner"  sa classroom namin kung saan naka-display ang mga picture postcards ng mga bayani. Dito ako nagsimulang mamulat sa kabayanihang ginawa ng mga naunang henerasyon ng mga Pilipino. Sa panahon ngayon, wala na akong nakikitang ganitong display sa mga classrooms ng mga anak ko.
On topic: Sana naman ayusin ng mga producers ang napipintong DVD release ng "Hen. Luna". Magsama sila special features/documentary sa pagkakagawa ng pelikulang ito. (hindi na ako umaasa na magkakaroon ng BD release ::) )
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Re: Jerrold Tarog's Heneral Luna
« Reply #65 on: Sep 25, 2015 at 08:04 AM »
Sabi ni DOTC Abaya, ndi daw inassassinate/pina-assassinate ng Lolo Emilio nya si Hen Luna...
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Re: Jerrold Tarog's Heneral Luna
« Reply #66 on: Sep 25, 2015 at 08:49 AM »
Aquinaldo was a traitor, sold out to the Americans.....kaya pala ganyang mag-isip si Abaya...
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Re: Jerrold Tarog's Heneral Luna
« Reply #67 on: Sep 26, 2015 at 12:21 AM »
Dapat talaga i require mga students manood nito.. DISIPLINA lang talaga ang kailangan.. pinakita ng pelikula kung gaano ka tamad at walang pakialam sa bayan mga Pilipino

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Re: Jerrold Tarog's Heneral Luna
« Reply #68 on: Sep 26, 2015 at 12:28 AM »
At last, napanood ko din :)

Man, the cinemas showing this film is so full, as in puno at halos di na kami makabili ng ticket at makapili ng magandang pwesto...

This is one of the best filipino film i've watched in a loooooonnnggggg time (though bihira talaga ako manood ng pinoy movies nowadays)... Our politicians should watch and learn from this movie, masyado na kasi focused ang mga yan sa pamumulitika at nakakalimutan na ang tunay na paglilingkod...

I hope there are more movies like this to come and producers should bring back quality movies like this, please...

Hoping to see Noli Me Tangere and El Filibusterismo in cinema soon :)
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Re: Jerrold Tarog's Heneral Luna
« Reply #69 on: Sep 26, 2015 at 12:55 AM »
Parang Marvel ang dating... may mid credits scene pa..

Sana gawin nilang series parang avengers.. Star cinema tigilan nyo na yang pag gawa ng pelikula tungkol sa mga mistress hehe

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Re: Jerrold Tarog's Heneral Luna
« Reply #70 on: Sep 27, 2015 at 12:59 PM »
My wife watched this in magnolia puno, i watched in gateway yesterday puni din. Hopefully kumita nga para matuloy yung planned trilogy. Nxt is greg del pilar and the 3rd us abt manuel quezon

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Re: Jerrold Tarog's Heneral Luna
« Reply #71 on: Sep 27, 2015 at 04:14 PM »
^ OT: bakit di kayo magkasama manuod?!? (nangingialam ba)
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Re: Jerrold Tarog's Heneral Luna
« Reply #72 on: Sep 27, 2015 at 04:29 PM »
Parang Marvel ang dating... may mid credits scene pa..

Sana gawin nilang series parang avengers.. Star cinema tigilan nyo na yang pag gawa ng pelikula tungkol sa mga mistress hehe

At least napatunayan nitong sine na ito na pwede naman palang tangkilikin ng Pinoy ang matinong pelikula.  Sa pagkakataong ito, nawa'y mag-"copycat" ang malalaking producer para naman gumawa ng may kabuluhang palabas.  Tama ka, enough of movies about mistresses and/or mga pa-cute na romantic comedy, at higit sa lahat, enough of the mababaw ng comedy (yung tipong pinagtagpi-tagpi lang na "funny" scenes with hardly any recognizable plot).

Yeah, too much to ask for, but one can dream, hehe.

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« Reply #73 on: Sep 27, 2015 at 04:39 PM »
This movie brings back my faith on filipino movies. Very good movie. Not only the story but production was well made. I didn't see any out of period in the movie. Pls. No more kris aquino and vice ganda trash

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Re: Jerrold Tarog's Heneral Luna
« Reply #74 on: Sep 27, 2015 at 05:08 PM »
^ OT: bakit di kayo magkasama manuod?!? (nangingialam ba)
bantay ko anak namin, sat watch sya, then ako naman nxt day

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« Reply #75 on: Sep 27, 2015 at 05:39 PM »
passed by sm north cinema... may pila pa din ito... more than 2 weeks na ba itong showing?
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Re: Jerrold Tarog's Heneral Luna
« Reply #76 on: Sep 27, 2015 at 06:46 PM »
passed by sm north cinema... may pila pa din ito... more than 2 weeks na ba itong showing?

Yes, i think more than 2 weeks na (buti naman) at mukhang mas tatagal pa because most schools require  students to watch this movie, at 50% off din sila :)
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Re: Jerrold Tarog's Heneral Luna
« Reply #77 on: Sep 27, 2015 at 07:13 PM »
Watched the movie with my family last night at SM Sta. Rosa, almost full at medyo marami pa din students kasi medyo maingay sila  :) but you can feel that everybody enjoyed the film and towards the end, palakpakan din ang mga tao.

Paglabas namin, dami pa din naka pila para sa last full show!

thanks!
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Re: Jerrold Tarog's Heneral Luna
« Reply #78 on: Sep 28, 2015 at 02:09 AM »
di ko alam kung joke joke lang ang mga tanong na ito or di talaga alam :(:(:(

itinuturo pa ba ito sa school ngayon - philippine history mga bayani?... ang anak ko kasi (Gr.3) walang idea sino sina Miguel Malvar etc or di lang nag-aaral anak ko o di pa tinuturo sa Gr.3? :):):)
In other movies plot points like Mabini's disability is explained in dialogue.

Also, at the beginning of the film it was disclosed that this was a movie based on historical facts but includes fiction. This is often done in any movie from any country for pacing purposes and make the presentation watchable.

Dapat tinagalog na lang nila yung disclaimer. A lot of Filipinos have poor English skills.

#1 and #2 are phrased in such a way that the person asking is trolling those reading it, koya. ;)

Were they being taught Phil history by grade 3? I remember being taught it by high school.

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Re: Jerrold Tarog's Heneral Luna
« Reply #79 on: Sep 28, 2015 at 02:16 AM »
In other movies plot points like Mabini's disability is explained in dialogue.

Also, at the beginning of the film it was disclosed that this was a movie based on historical facts but includes fiction. This is often done in any movie from any country for pacing purposes and make the presentation watchable.

Dapat tinagalog na lang nila yung disclaimer. A lot of Filipinos have poor English skills.

#1 and #2 are phrased in such a way that the person asking is trolling those reading it, koya. ;)

Were they being taught Phil history by grade 3? I remember being taught it by high school.

got it :):)

makita nga ang book ng anak ko (araling panlipunan nila grade 3) kung nabanggit ang mga bayaning pilipino doon :):) kay mommy kasi nakaassign ang ganoong subject :):)

pero sa pagkakaalala ko grade 2 pa lang noon halos puno ng picture ng mga bayani ang classroom namin noon hangang sa grade 6... ngayon napansin ko sa classroom ng anak ko walang ni isang picture ng mga bayaning Pilipino...

sikat na sikat na picture noon ay si Lapulapu at Jose rizal :):):) at saka pala si tandand sora :):):) bukod sa sangkatutak na coins na puro mukha ng mga bayaning pilipino.
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Re: Jerrold Tarog's Heneral Luna
« Reply #80 on: Sep 28, 2015 at 06:00 AM »
got it :):)

makita nga ang book ng anak ko (araling panlipunan nila grade 3) kung nabanggit ang mga bayaning pilipino doon :):) kay mommy kasi nakaassign ang ganoong subject :):)

pero sa pagkakaalala ko grade 2 pa lang noon halos puno ng picture ng mga bayani ang classroom namin noon hangang sa grade 6... ngayon napansin ko sa classroom ng anak ko walang ni isang picture ng mga bayaning Pilipino...

sikat na sikat na picture noon ay si Lapulapu at Jose rizal :):):) at saka pala si tandand sora :):):) bukod sa sangkatutak na coins na puro mukha ng mga bayaning pilipino.
TBH Heneral Luna would have been panned for being sloppy if it was done elsewhere. It only gets mad props here because it is such a unique feature originating from the Philippines by Filipinos.

As for the heroes of yesteryear you might want to read the wikipedia entry of each one you mentioned. New information has surfaced that puts a dent to what the govt intended you to to know back then. Now, they are at the mercy of "inertia".

Example "Sa Aking Mga Kabata" that is attributed to Rizal appears to not have been written by him after all.

The most ironic bit is Rizal's tagalog appears to be worse than mine. His mother tongue was Spanish while mine is English.

So doubly whammy about the stinky fish and love for the mother tongue.

Prior to this find I always wondered why people were implying Rizal's mother tongue was Tagalog/Filipino when he considered himself Spanish. I say this because as a reformer he wanted the Philippine Islands to be treated as a province of Spain rather than just a colony. In connection to this he wanted representation for taxation in the Spanish parliament.

I struggled in Philippine History back then but I do better now with Internet.

Yes, wiki isnt scholarly but the footnotes and references could point to scholarly sources.
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Re: Jerrold Tarog's Heneral Luna
« Reply #81 on: Sep 28, 2015 at 12:36 PM »
TBH Heneral Luna would have been panned for being sloppy if it was done elsewhere. It only gets mad props here because it is such a unique feature originating from the Philippines by Filipinos.
Yup. I agree.

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« Reply #82 on: Sep 28, 2015 at 01:02 PM »
looking forward to own the DVD on this.

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Re: Jerrold Tarog's Heneral Luna
« Reply #83 on: Sep 28, 2015 at 03:32 PM »
TBH Heneral Luna would have been panned for being sloppy if it was done elsewhere. It only gets mad props here because it is such a unique feature originating from the Philippines by Filipinos.

As for the heroes of yesteryear you might want to read the wikipedia entry of each one you mentioned. New information has surfaced that puts a dent to what the govt intended you to to know back then. Now, they are at the mercy of "inertia".

Example "Sa Aking Mga Kabata" that is attributed to Rizal appears to not have been written by him after all.

The most ironic bit is Rizal's tagalog appears to be worse than mine. His mother tongue was Spanish while mine is English.

So doubly whammy about the stinky fish and love for the mother tongue.

Prior to this find I always wondered why people were implying Rizal's mother tongue was Tagalog/Filipino when he considered himself Spanish. I say this because as a reformer he wanted the Philippine Islands to be treated as a province of Spain rather than just a colony. In connection to this he wanted representation for taxation in the Spanish parliament.

I struggled in Philippine History back then but I do better now with Internet.

Yes, wiki isnt scholarly but the footnotes and references could point to scholarly sources.
Re: Rizal and Tagalog. Rizal did not write "SA aking mga Kababata" but he was fluent in Tagalog.
Taga-Laguna siya, a bastion of Tagalog. He, in fact, translated the works of Hans Christian Andersen into Tagalog for his nieces and nephews. (Source: http://www.pilipino-express.com/history-a-culture/in-other-words/852-rizal-and-the-filipino-language.html)
He even wrote and drew Tagalog komiks. He also wrote the women of Malolos a looong letter  in  old Tagalog.
(Excerpts here: http://malacanang.gov.ph/7981-sa-mga-kababaihang-taga-malolos-ni-jose-rizal/)

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Re: Jerrold Tarog's Heneral Luna
« Reply #84 on: Sep 28, 2015 at 05:43 PM »
Re: Rizal and Tagalog. Rizal did not write "SA aking mga Kababata" but he was fluent in Tagalog.
Taga-Laguna siya, a bastion of Tagalog. He, in fact, translated the works of Hans Christian Andersen into Tagalog for his nieces and nephews. (Source: http://www.pilipino-express.com/history-a-culture/in-other-words/852-rizal-and-the-filipino-language.html)
He even wrote and drew Tagalog komiks. He also wrote the women of Malolos a looong letter  in  old Tagalog.
(Excerpts here: http://malacanang.gov.ph/7981-sa-mga-kababaihang-taga-malolos-ni-jose-rizal/)


Off topic... he was 8 years old when he allegedly wrote the poem. Even if he was from Laguna he was educated in Spanish, the language of the richer elite classes. Not to mention translations solely credited to him could have had collaborators on the project. Back then wala pang auto correct. ;)

The veracity of both claims seems to be justified and hence difficult to ascertain. However, most historians agree that a majority of Filipinos were unaware of Rizal during his lifetime,[79] as he was a member of the richer elite classes (he was born in an affluent family, had lived abroad for nearly as long as he had lived in the Philippines) and wrote primarily in an elite language (at that time, Tagalog and Cebuano were the languages of the masses) about ideals as lofty as freedom (the masses were more concerned about day to day issues like earning money and making a living, something which has not changed much today).[80]

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jos%C3%A9_Rizal#Made_national_hero_by_Emilio_Aguinaldo
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80 ^ Zaide, Gregorio and Sonia (1999). Jose Rizal: Life, Works, and Writings of a Genius, Writer, Scientist and National Hero. Quezon City: All Nations publishing Co. Inc. ISBN 971-642-070-6.

If the education in Grade 3 is so so for dpogs' kid today what more those of Rizal over 140 years ago?

The fluency and sophistication of the Tagalog used in the poem also do not match Rizal's grasp of the language. Although Rizal's native tongue was Tagalog, his early education was all in Spanish. In the oft-quoted anecdote of the moth and the flame from Rizal's memoir, the children's book he and his mother were reading was entitled El Amigo de los Niños, and it was in Spanish.[11] He would later lament his difficulties in expressing himself in Tagalog. In 1886, Rizal was in Leipzig working on a Tagalog translation of Friedrich Schiller's William Tell, which he sent home to his brother Paciano. In the accompanying letter, Rizal speaks of his difficulty finding an appropriate Tagalog equivalent of Freiheit (freedom), settling on kalayahan. Rizal cited Del Pilar's translation of his own essay as his source for kalayahan.[2][10] Rizal also attempted to write Makamisa (the intended sequel to El filibusterismo) in Tagalog, only to give up after only ten pages and start again in Spanish.[2][3]

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sa_Aking_Mga_Kabata#Authenticity

Reference:

11 ^José Rizal (under the pseudonym P. Jacinto). "Chapter 8: My First Reminiscence". Memoirs of a Student in Manila.

2 ^Ambeth Ocampo (August 22, 2011). "Did young Rizal really write poem for children?".

10 ^José Rizal to Paciano Rizal (October 12, 1886; 40-11 Albertstrasse, Leipzig). I lacked many words, for example, for the word Freiheit or liberty. The Tagalog word kaligtasan cannot be used, because this means that formerly he was in some prison, slavery, etc. I found in the translation of Amor Patrio the noun malayá, kalayahan that Marcelo del Pilar uses. In the only Tagalog book I have — Florante — I don't find an equivalent noun.

3 ^Paul Morrow (July 16–31, 2011). "Something fishy about Rizal poem" (PDF). The Pilipino Express (The Pilipino Express Inc.) 7 (14): 1–33.
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Re: Jerrold Tarog's Heneral Luna
« Reply #85 on: Sep 28, 2015 at 05:45 PM »
Only after watching the movie did I realize this is not heavy stuff but had a lot of comedy scenes.
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Re: Jerrold Tarog's Heneral Luna
« Reply #86 on: Sep 28, 2015 at 05:46 PM »
Rizal was fluent in over 22 languages...i find it hard to believe tagalog was not one of them...
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« Reply #87 on: Sep 28, 2015 at 06:29 PM »
Rizal was fluent in over 22 languages...i find it hard to believe tagalog was not one of them...
He is promoted to have known 22 languages only. Not a difficult thing to do if half your life you lived outside of the Philippines and had to communicate with foreigners when moving from one country to another. But was his mastery of all 22 languages of equal quality and level?

Rizal has been elevated to a mystical folk hero and agent of countless miraculous events. If one were to read his bio on wiki and then looked at the reference used there in he gets deconstructed to who he should be which is to be subordinate to people like Heneral Luna.

Govt's propaganda on Rizal was so absolute for some that they coalesced into a religion called the Rizalistas.

Despite the nation's elevation of Rizal it does not share his outlook on religious matters.

Going back to language mastery he often consulted/collaborated with others on his projects despite his being cited the sole author of said project. Example would be his letter to his brother talking about how difficult it was to translate freedom to Tagalog.
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Re: Jerrold Tarog's Heneral Luna
« Reply #88 on: Sep 28, 2015 at 06:45 PM »
that could be entirely plausible....
considering that the Americans had a hand in selecting him as national hero....
i just wished that there would be more evidence....
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« Reply #89 on: Sep 28, 2015 at 07:12 PM »
When we were studying Rizal in HS it was never mentioned in the text book that Rizal America's choice hero for the Filipinos. It came from our history teacher instead.

History is indeed written by the victor to support their claims.

Until recently the Philippine-American War was but an insurrection when taught in American classrooms until it was politically incorrect to cite it as such hence the switch over to "war".

Makes you question what is being taught in school about recent history in which we all lived in vs what is being taught to those born after the year 2000.

Thank god for fact checking via Internet.

With how Rizal & Ninoy is being promoted you'd think they were unicorns.

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