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HT & Music Speakers Differences
« on: Feb 01, 2015 at 04:02 PM »
I've been constantly reading comments that a speaker is good for HT or music & vice versa. Is there really such thing as speakers designed specifically for HT or music? If so, what would be the differences or characteristics that would seperate them.


My take:

Wala.  ;D

For me, both applications would require dynamics, details, broad freq range, accuracy, SPL etc.

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Re: HT & Music Speakers Differences
« Reply #1 on: Feb 01, 2015 at 05:09 PM »
Wala din para saken. Kaartehan lang yung "specifically for music" tags to justify the higher price and unwarranted 'prestige' kuno.
It's made for music/stereo because there is no center channel to accompany that model line (just to clarify that this is the manufacturer's intention. but the user can do whatever he wants to do with it). For everything else, sound is sound...whether it comes out from a speaker driver or my butt hole.
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Re: HT & Music Speakers Differences
« Reply #2 on: Feb 01, 2015 at 05:59 PM »
OTOH I was just looking at one of the new threads here where someone was asking about his proposed 2-channel set up. and there were a few who said the Polk Audio RTi speakers he chose are better for HT than for music.

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Re: HT & Music Speakers Differences
« Reply #3 on: Feb 01, 2015 at 06:15 PM »
Hmmm....  There would be some na better for ht, those that were designed with high cutoff points, like the svs lcr models, And some satellites. That doesnt mean though na ndi sila pwede sa music, pwede naman, but of course me trade offs. For "stereo" speakers, other than those mentioned by Nelson, I guess speakers that image well. Kasi with ht, madaling dayain yun. Hehehehe, of course, pwede din naman sila gamitin for ht.

So, yes and no. Labo! Hahaha  ;D

Ako I only use the same speakers for both ht and stereo, albeit on a different setup. Palit palit lang ng banana plugs :)

But i would not say na one is exclusive, maybe better or worse lang depending sa application, which of course is subjective :)

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Re: HT & Music Speakers Differences
« Reply #4 on: Feb 01, 2015 at 06:25 PM »
IMHO,  wala namang speakers just for HT or just for STEREO! lahat naman pwede mo gamitin on both aplication. but the center channel and the bi-pole/di-pole thing are developed(as i knew) for multi channel audio/video sound system.

pwede bang gamitin yung wharf DFS as your fronts? sa stereo? pwede! ang tanong maganda ba? will you be putting a di-pole as your center? pwede! ang tanong maganda ba? so on and so forth. lahat ng speaker pwede mong ilagay kahit saan. be it as fronts, center, or sorround. pero ang big question is the sound.

i always belive na para makita mo ang galing ng speaker, yung imaging nya, yung base loading etc etc, you should listen to it in a two channel configuration on its native format. good source & good amplification.....
pag pangit yung speaker sa stereo, sigurado masama din sa HT! there is no such thing that pangit sa stereo, maganda sa HT or maganda sa stereo pangit sa HT! ang default test talaga dapat ng speaker is stereo configuration using a good stereo amplifier and not an avr.....
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Re: HT & Music Speakers Differences
« Reply #5 on: Feb 01, 2015 at 06:29 PM »
how about the Fullrange speaker pwede kaya sa movies?

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Re: HT & Music Speakers Differences
« Reply #6 on: Feb 01, 2015 at 06:46 PM »
how about the Fullrange speaker pwede kaya sa movies?

Yes pwede boss.

You can adjust naman ung cutoff sa avr depende sa capacity ng fr speaker

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Re: HT & Music Speakers Differences
« Reply #7 on: Feb 01, 2015 at 07:11 PM »
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Re: HT & Music Speakers Differences
« Reply #8 on: Feb 01, 2015 at 07:16 PM »
Para sa akin wala din. Ginagamit ko iyung stereo set-up ko manood ng pelikula at makinig ng musika. Masaya naman ako.

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Re: HT & Music Speakers Differences
« Reply #9 on: Feb 01, 2015 at 07:32 PM »
Sa kin wala difference. Pag maganda music, maganda din yun sa HT.

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Re: HT & Music Speakers Differences
« Reply #10 on: Feb 01, 2015 at 07:56 PM »
Listening in two channel (stereo) is more challenging than multi channel. Speaker must have good qualities such as  soundstage imaging etc. In HT decoders can do it for you in any kind of speakers available IMHO.....

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Re: HT & Music Speakers Differences
« Reply #11 on: Feb 01, 2015 at 08:03 PM »
For "stereo" speakers, other than those mentioned by Nelson, I guess speakers that image well. Kasi with ht, madaling dayain yun. Hehehehe, of course, pwede din naman sila gamitin for ht.

So, yes and no. Labo! Hahaha  ;D

Ako I only use the same speakers for both ht and stereo, albeit on a different setup. Palit palit lang ng banana plugs :)

But i would not say na one is exclusive, maybe better or worse lang depending sa application, which of course is subjective :)

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With regards to imaging, minsan and madalas sir nasa recording. It's how the instruments were panned, location of the mics for the depth, Eqing per individual instrument, and location of the instruments/performers. May mga recording na hindi mag-image properly because of recording. Madalas ang mix kasi nun, pang-masa" mix unlike yun mga audiophile recordings, talagang tama ang room, mic, positioning, gears etc. You can only "daya" sa HT to some extend pero malalaman mo, hindi defined ang images, masyadong malapad or malaki ang instruments over the other (pero sometimes sa micing din ito), too flat ang stage.

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Re: HT & Music Speakers Differences
« Reply #12 on: Feb 01, 2015 at 08:03 PM »
Stereo music speakers can be used for movies but you need to add satellites for the surround effect.  In movies you are trying to create the scene as if you are in its center.  For music, the singer/musicians are in front of the listener so you do not need surround sound, thus, no voice or instrument that will come at the back or sides.

I have stereo music speakers which are also used for watching movies.  With proper placement, a phantom image of the actors and as well as the surrounding environment was created without the need for a center speaker ..... of course no surround back sound.

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Re: HT & Music Speakers Differences
« Reply #13 on: Feb 01, 2015 at 08:58 PM »
With regards to imaging, minsan and madalas sir nasa recording. It's how the instruments were panned, location of the mics for the depth, Eqing per individual instrument, and location of the instruments/performers. May mga recording na hindi mag-image properly because of recording. Madalas ang mix kasi nun, pang-masa" mix unlike yun mga audiophile recordings, talagang tama ang room, mic, positioning, gears etc. You can only "daya" sa HT to some extend pero malalaman mo, hindi defined ang images, masyadong malapad or malaki ang instruments over the other (pero sometimes sa micing din ito), too flat ang stage.


Yes po tama, but my point is, not all speakers image well. Some are better than others, assuming the same material is used. As for ht, me daya kasi me screen. Hehehehe, and of course me mga eq, but then again thats a different thing. Hehehe.

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Re: HT & Music Speakers Differences
« Reply #14 on: Feb 01, 2015 at 09:18 PM »
Yes po tama, but my point is, not all speakers image well. Some are better than others, assuming the same material is used. As for ht, me daya kasi me screen. Hehehehe, and of course me mga eq, but then again thats a different thing. Hehehe.

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Haha! Oo nga. Malaking factor din ang room sa imaging. But then again, may mga speakers talaga who give better image than others. Still, it still doesn't conclude pa din na speakers that do not give better image are for HT. Hehe! di ba?

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Re: HT & Music Speakers Differences
« Reply #15 on: Feb 01, 2015 at 09:25 PM »
Haha! Oo nga. Malaking factor din ang room sa imaging. But then again, may mga speakers talaga who give better image than others. Still, it still doesn't conclude pa din na speakers that do not give better image are for HT. Hehe! di ba?

Tagay!






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Again, tama. Hehehe... Ako, i just switch banana plugs depende sa setup. Hehehe.

Pero ung iba, like mga htib, pwede naman for music... Pero ang sama ng tunug, hehehe....

Siguro size of the woofer and enclosure na din kasi ang limitation
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Re: HT & Music Speakers Differences
« Reply #16 on: Feb 01, 2015 at 09:32 PM »
Tagay!!!

para sa akin wala. eh parehong speaker lang naman yan.

pero ibang usapan na ang imaging, detalye, rooms &  treatment, sorround/low fq effects, dialog etc etc.

hehehhe

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Re: HT & Music Speakers Differences
« Reply #17 on: Feb 01, 2015 at 09:52 PM »
para sa akin, magkaiba po ang pang HT speakers sa pang music. thats the reason why others have two setups: one for HT and another for stereo music listening, if budget permits because that is the ideal way. however, some have only one setup because of limited funds available for this hobby but wishes to have dual setups too.

take a look at master anthony list of speakers. hiwalay po yung pang HT speakers nya sa pang music.

at hiwalay pa nga yung pang videoke speakers nya.. there must be a reason for these classification.

if i can talk to sir anthony someday, i will ask the technical reasons for this one.

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Re: HT & Music Speakers Differences
« Reply #18 on: Feb 01, 2015 at 10:19 PM »
Others naman, does not want to invest in expensive speakers for HT, like me. Hehe!
Pero tignan niyo naman si Streetsmart, mga focal be pa ang speakers for HT. Huwaw! Si jjohnc, mga reference speakers ng Dynes, pang bedroom setup lang.

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Re: HT & Music Speakers Differences
« Reply #19 on: Feb 01, 2015 at 10:42 PM »

Haha! Oo nga. Malaking factor din ang room sa imaging. But then again, may mga speakers talaga who give better image than others. Still, it still doesn't conclude pa din na speakers that do not give better image are for HT. Hehe! di ba?

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Re: HT & Music Speakers Differences
« Reply #20 on: Feb 01, 2015 at 11:15 PM »
Others naman, does not want to invest in expensive speakers for HT, like me. Hehe!
Pero tignan niyo naman si Streetsmart, mga focal be pa ang speakers for HT. Huwaw! Si jjohnc, mga reference speakers ng Dynes, pang bedroom setup lang.

makikitagay master konsi!! hehehehe

sa HT application, forgiving kse yung mga gears sa speaker. center channel ang puso ng HT kse nandun yung vocals. hindi mo na kailangan ng speaker na magaling sa imaging(assuming ang source is constant) kse aided sya ng center speaker. kaya kung ako master ang tatanungin ang benchmark ko eh stereo listening... pag pangit sa stereo, tsugi na sa listahan ko... ;D ;D ;D ;D
kaya dapat talaga alam mo san mo gagamitin yung speaker mo, not necessarily dapat bago yung speaker mo...... sabi ng BMW preowned "sometimes brand is better than new" >:D
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Re: HT & Music Speakers Differences
« Reply #21 on: Feb 02, 2015 at 10:14 AM »
May na-audition ako dati.
Highly recommended kasi ng isang member.
Pinuntahan ko at pinakinggan ko sa dealer.
Unang set up ginamit namin sa 2-channel audio.
Pre-amp at power amp pa ang nag-drive.
Maganda at masarap sa tenga ang tunog, malambing :)
Pero nung sinubok na namin sa home theater set up, ayun parang ngo-ngo na...
Kahit nilagyan na ng ka-partner na center ngo-ngo pa din. Kapag battle or war scenes walang impact, masyadong dull ang surround effects.

Meron din naman akong nasubukang speakers sa home theater set up...
Ganda ng detalye, buhay na buhay ang effects.
Parang kapag nagbarilan eh tinatamaan din ako ;D
Tapos sinubok namin sa 2-channel audio set up...
Kapag female voices medyo matalas na(ear piercing)...
Mga instrumento masyadong over emphasized.
Nakakapagod makinig kahit 2 to 3 na kanta pa lang.

Iba't ibang applications talaga ang binabagayan ng speakers.
At pinaka-importante ay PERSONAL PREFERENCE ;)
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Re: HT & Music Speakers Differences
« Reply #22 on: Feb 02, 2015 at 12:05 PM »

Meron din naman akong nasubukang speakers sa home theater set up...
Ganda ng detalye, buhay na buhay ang effects.
Parang kapag nagbarilan eh tinatamaan din ako ;D
Tapos sinubok namin sa 2-channel audio set up...
Kapag female voices medyo matalas na(ear piercing)...
Mga instrumento masyadong over emphasized.
Nakakapagod makinig kahit 2 to 3 na kanta pa lang.

Iba't ibang applications talaga ang binabagayan ng speakers.
At pinaka-importante ay PERSONAL PREFERENCE ;)

I experienced this with one Brand of speakers that i owned. Kahit anong gawin ko, di talaga ako makatagal when listening to music.. Masyado masakit sa tenga.. Using it for HT purposes i have no complaints... It's really good...

I replaced it with something that is good for both ayon sa aking pandinig... Kanya kanya lang talaga yan...
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Re: HT & Music Speakers Differences
« Reply #23 on: Feb 02, 2015 at 12:14 PM »
At pinaka-importante ay PERSONAL PREFERENCE ;)

ayan to each his own talaga....hehehehehe ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Re: HT & Music Speakers Differences
« Reply #24 on: Feb 02, 2015 at 12:15 PM »
Merong HT speakers na hindi masyadong ok sa music. Try mo makinig sa wall mount surround speakers at hanapin mo yung phantom image, hehe.

Try mo rin I-wall mount ang high end back ported bookshelves, hirap ata I-maximize yung positioning nun.

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Re: HT & Music Speakers Differences
« Reply #25 on: Feb 02, 2015 at 12:31 PM »
There is also the aspect of speaker and amp matching for both HT and Audio. So it's not as simple as using a speaker from audio to HT as they both have different amps.  When you change utilization, you also need to check for matching so that you will have the expected output.

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Re: HT & Music Speakers Differences
« Reply #26 on: Feb 02, 2015 at 02:17 PM »
Yes, listener preference & system synergy play a major role in deciding which speakers are best suited for specific applications.

Speakers for movies need to have the ability to take the abuse of constant air movement since they mostly provide impact for ambient sound (explosions, low frequency hums from machines etc) and these drivers require heavy mass for their cones. The issue now with heavy mass cone designs is you will lose the ability to produce mid to high frequencies, thus you need to add drivers to specifically handle those tasks.

In movies, phase issues are most of the time negligible because from looking at the widescreen our eyes can tell the brain where the sound is coming from. Quite different with music listening, the brain relies on our ears to pinpoint the location of each sound, without the aid of our eyes the brain will produce a visual image based on data provided by the ears. So a delay in overlapping frequencies or phase issue is easily recognized since music is mostly transient sound, sudden peaks & troughs of frequencies. Crossovers are implemented to negate phase issues but again it depends on quality of parts, design & implementation then how it will  harmonize the drivers seamlessly.

Some engineers came up with an idea to resolve phase issue; by creating a single driver to handle a wide range of frequency - what we know as the full range driver.  ;)

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Re: HT & Music Speakers Differences
« Reply #27 on: Feb 02, 2015 at 02:31 PM »
There is also the aspect of speaker and amp matching for both HT and Audio. So it's not as simple as using a speaker from audio to HT as they both have different amps.  When you change utilization, you also need to check for matching so that you will have the expected output.

This is what I do actually.

HT - Connected to AVR (add C + S + Subs) + TV + AV sources

Stereo - Connected to tube amp + sources.

I initially set my stereo, after which swap ko ng banana, then connected sa AVR, I run audyssey. Viola, setup for both. hahaha. Might not be ideal, pero works for me. hehehe

Like sabi sa una, totoo - mas forgiving ang HT, and mas critical sa stereo, kaya mas me "tweaks" ako sa stereo - toe in, toe out, distance from walls, etc.

Like I've said before, its not exclusive for HT/Stereo - because on a technical standpoint, there really is no such thing. But some might be better than others depende sa applications, kaya dun papasok pa yung system matching.
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Re: HT & Music Speakers Differences
« Reply #28 on: Feb 02, 2015 at 02:41 PM »
yung friend ko gamit niya ay AN pang music at movies.
bastang nasa sweet spot, tapos na labanan :)



sa akin pwede na ang 2 channels sa movies kasi puro drama, romance lang naman ang pinapanood ko
bastang clear, clean ang dialogue oks na, di na kailangan ang mga effects.

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Re: HT & Music Speakers Differences
« Reply #29 on: Feb 02, 2015 at 04:31 PM »
My take? Wala!
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