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Re: PROVING GOD WITHOUT THE BIBLE
« Reply #30 on: Jun 29, 2015 at 12:51 PM »
It's already April and we've not yet seen any proof.  The bigger the build-up, the greater the reader's disappointment, if this "proof" turns out to be a dud.

I've heard it many times before.  Somebody claims that he can prove the existence of God.  Listen to the "proof" and it's not convincing at all.


It's already the end of June, and still nothing.

I had a feeling that this thread was going nowhere.
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Re: PROVING GOD WITHOUT THE BIBLE
« Reply #31 on: Jul 24, 2015 at 01:31 AM »
Does it matter? It's the Internet... winning an argument on the Internet is like ranking 1st place in the Special Olympics.

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Re: PROVING GOD WITHOUT THE BIBLE
« Reply #32 on: Jul 24, 2015 at 02:44 AM »
Who made the heavens and the earth? and who made a man and a woman ?
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Re: PROVING GOD WITHOUT THE BIBLE
« Reply #33 on: Jul 24, 2015 at 08:47 AM »

nothing we mere mortals can ever say or do to prove God...
we either accept or deny....

+1 ..nothing we say or do can prove the existence of God. All we can do is accept or deny. Faith lang yan, either you have it or you dont.
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Re: PROVING GOD WITHOUT THE BIBLE
« Reply #34 on: Jul 24, 2015 at 11:00 AM »
Does GOD even need to prove HIS being GOD?
how do we defend our freedom? by the truth when it is assaulted by Marcos lies....

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Re: PROVING GOD WITHOUT THE BIBLE
« Reply #35 on: Jul 24, 2015 at 11:19 AM »
Does GOD even need to prove HIS being GOD?

God only requires our faith. Nothing more... Nothing less... :)
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Re: PROVING GOD WITHOUT THE BIBLE
« Reply #36 on: Jul 24, 2015 at 12:18 PM »
Amen....
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Re: PROVING GOD WITHOUT THE BIBLE
« Reply #37 on: Jul 31, 2015 at 02:47 PM »
Who made the heavens and the earth? and who made a man and a woman ?

simple answer, The Maker or the Creator

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Re: PROVING GOD WITHOUT THE BIBLE
« Reply #38 on: Jul 31, 2015 at 07:28 PM »
Does GOD even need to prove HIS being GOD?

Good question, as I would to ask also to everyone, Do You really exist?

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Re: PROVING GOD WITHOUT THE BIBLE
« Reply #39 on: Jul 31, 2015 at 08:50 PM »
Good question, as I would to ask also to everyone, Do You really exist?

Yeah, but does god?

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Re: PROVING GOD WITHOUT THE BIBLE
« Reply #40 on: Aug 01, 2015 at 11:56 AM »
Ganito ang intindi ko sa thread na ito:

The TS wants to prove that God exists, but without using the bible as evidence.

Bakit?  Kasi pag sinabi mong God exists because the bible says so, that's illogical.  Ang tawag don sa logic, the fallacy of circular reasoning.  Kung hindi ako naniniwala sa bibliya, tapos sasabihin mo bibliya rin ang ebidensiya mo, e di umikot ka lang at wala ka ring napatunayan.

Therefore, papatunayan daw niya, without using the bible as evidence.

I dont believe the existence of God can be proven.  It's all a matter of faith.

Yung iba, mahilig mamilit.  Kaya daw niyang patunayan na may Diyos.

Iba naman yung sa akin.  Inaamin ko na hindi ko kayang patunayan na may Diyos.  Kaya kung ayaw mong maniwala, problema mo na yon. :D

Sabi ng TS, kaya raw niyang patunayan.  Nasaan na tayo ngayon?  E di wala.  Sabi ko na nga ba.... :D
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Re: PROVING GOD WITHOUT THE BIBLE
« Reply #41 on: Aug 02, 2015 at 03:42 AM »
simple answer, The Maker or the Creator

Who is the maker and the Creator if you know them?
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Re: PROVING GOD WITHOUT THE BIBLE
« Reply #42 on: Aug 02, 2015 at 03:45 AM »
Ganito ang intindi ko sa thread na ito:

The TS wants to prove that God exists, but without using the bible as evidence.

Bakit?  Kasi pag sinabi mong God exists because the bible says so, that's illogical.  Ang tawag don sa logic, the fallacy of circular reasoning.  Kung hindi ako naniniwala sa binliya, tapos sasabihin mo bibliya rin ang ebidensiya mo, e di umikot ka lang at wala ka ring napatunayan.

Therefore, papatunayan daw niya, without using the bible as evidence.

I dont believe the existence of God can be proven.  It's all a matter of faith.

Yung iba, mahilig mamilit.  Kaya daw niyang patunayan na may Diyos.

Iba naman yung sa akin.  Inaamin ko na hindi ko kayang patunayan na may Diyos.  Kaya kung ayaw mong maniwala, problema mo na yon. :D

Sabi ng TS, kaya raw niyang patunayan.  Nasaan na tayo ngayon?  E di wala.  Sabi ko na nga ba.... :D

Ang patunay na may Dios yung mismong mga creations nya...gaya ng Kalawakan, mga Langit at Lupa...

Kung walang gumawa nyan eh sino kung alam mo?
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Re: PROVING GOD WITHOUT THE BIBLE
« Reply #43 on: Aug 02, 2015 at 05:01 AM »
God only requires our faith. Nothing more... Nothing less... :)
"Requires" talaga ha

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Re: PROVING GOD WITHOUT THE BIBLE
« Reply #44 on: Aug 02, 2015 at 06:57 AM »
"Requires" talaga ha

Faith cant prove that there is God but faith please Him.

"But without faith it is impossible to please Him." Heb. 11:6

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Re: PROVING GOD WITHOUT THE BIBLE
« Reply #45 on: Aug 02, 2015 at 08:30 AM »
Ang patunay na may Dios yung mismong mga creations nya...gaya ng Kalawakan, mga Langit at Lupa...
Kung walang gumawa nyan eh sino kung alam mo?


Defective ang question mo sir. Your question is based on the premise that there is a creator.

Why automatically presume that there is a creator even before proving that a creator exists? That's illogical.

Instead of asking "who created them?", you should ask "where did they come from?".

Akala mo ganong kadaling patunayan na may Diyos?  ;)
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Re: PROVING GOD WITHOUT THE BIBLE
« Reply #46 on: Aug 02, 2015 at 08:46 AM »
For those who believe, no explanation is needed. For those who don't, nothing would suffice.
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Re: PROVING GOD WITHOUT THE BIBLE
« Reply #47 on: Aug 02, 2015 at 08:59 AM »
Yeah, but does god?

Ok Sir, if you truly exist. How do you prove that you exist?

In my line of work, I know that a patient is sick because of the symptoms he or she presents when the patient comes to my clinic. And upon examination I find signs of illness: fever, abnormal heart or lung sounds, pain or tenderness. The next step is to do laboratory tests and procedures to look for the cause of the illness……that in a nutshell is how we prove the existence Bacteria and Viruses and other causes of diseases in man.

In the same manner we see our planet, solar system and the universe, we see living things and we see US! Then there is the all-important discovery of the DNA which is for all intense and purposes are akin to a computer program that needs a programmer! These to me are the “signs and symptoms” that points to a “cause” outside of the universe!

We see all around evidence of a “creator”…..a “creator” named bumblebee posted on this thread, someone made this laptop, someone made pinoydvd.com, someone created music like “the sound of silence” or “Hey Jude”, the Eiffel Tower, etc etc etc………….if all these relatively  simple creation NEEDS a creator…..what more a more complex man and the universe!

Proving God exist can’t be done with absolute certainty…..but I believe it is reasonable to accept that  a “Higher Being” exists and  is responsible for the creation of Man, living things and the universe itself.
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Re: PROVING GOD WITHOUT THE BIBLE
« Reply #48 on: Aug 02, 2015 at 09:06 AM »
Eto daw ang proof there is a creator/God. Atoms cannot be created or destroyed. Only transformed.so meron creator of atoms.

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Re: PROVING GOD WITHOUT THE BIBLE
« Reply #49 on: Aug 02, 2015 at 09:37 AM »
Eto daw ang proof there is a creator/God. Atoms cannot be created or destroyed. Only transformed.so meron creator of atoms.
Sir, Atoms were indeed "created" at the start of the big bang! From that infinitesimal point of energy aii elements were formed.
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Re: PROVING GOD WITHOUT THE BIBLE
« Reply #50 on: Aug 02, 2015 at 09:40 AM »
Atoms can be created/destroyed.  That's nuclear fusion/fission.

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Re: PROVING GOD WITHOUT THE BIBLE
« Reply #51 on: Aug 02, 2015 at 09:47 AM »
no way....
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Re: PROVING GOD WITHOUT THE BIBLE
« Reply #52 on: Aug 02, 2015 at 10:30 AM »
Proving God exist can’t be done with absolute certainty…..but I believe it is reasonable to accept that  a “Higher Being” exists and  is responsible for the creation of Man, living things and the universe itself.

Agree ako dito.

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Re: PROVING GOD WITHOUT THE BIBLE
« Reply #53 on: Aug 02, 2015 at 09:51 PM »
Ok Sir, if you truly exist. How do you prove that you exist?

In my line of work, I know that a patient is sick because of the symptoms he or she presents when the patient comes to my clinic. And upon examination I find signs of illness: fever, abnormal heart or lung sounds, pain or tenderness. The next step is to do laboratory tests and procedures to look for the cause of the illness……that in a nutshell is how we prove the existence Bacteria and Viruses and other causes of diseases in man.

In the same manner we see our planet, solar system and the universe, we see living things and we see US! Then there is the all-important discovery of the DNA which is for all intense and purposes are akin to a computer program that needs a programmer! These to me are the “signs and symptoms” that points to a “cause” outside of the universe!

We see all around evidence of a “creator”…..a “creator” named bumblebee posted on this thread, someone made this laptop, someone made pinoydvd.com, someone created music like “the sound of silence” or “Hey Jude”, the Eiffel Tower, etc etc etc………….if all these relatively  simple creation NEEDS a creator…..what more a more complex man and the universe!

Proving God exist can’t be done with absolute certainty…..but I believe it is reasonable to accept that  a “Higher Being” exists and  is responsible for the creation of Man, living things and the universe itself.


For someone who doesn't accept fossils as evidence of evolution, you're quite quick to accept the existence of a higher being :)

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Re: PROVING GOD WITHOUT THE BIBLE
« Reply #54 on: Aug 03, 2015 at 12:01 AM »
I was expecting a direct answer sir(bumblebee) on How do you prove you exist, instead we get this non-reply.

Btw you are correct, I don't accept the fossil record as evidence for evolution. Simply because I believe Darwinian or even Neo Darwinian Evolution is false, second the fossil records shows a very different picture that what evolution has predicted. That of simple to complex from bottom to top!

However the fossil record show: Abrupt appearance of form functional species, great diversity at the start and species stay more or less the same along animal groups.....all these are NOT what you might call evidence of evolution!

Now back to our regular program :)
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Re: PROVING GOD WITHOUT THE BIBLE
« Reply #55 on: Aug 03, 2015 at 03:26 AM »


Defective ang question mo sir. Your question is based on the premise that there is a creator.

Why automatically presume that there is a creator even before proving that a creator exists? That's illogical.

Instead of asking "who created them?", you should ask "where did they come from?".

Akala mo ganong kadaling patunayan na may Diyos?  ;)

Walang defect dun natural di mag-exist yang mga bagay na yan kung walang lumikha, gaya ng bahay di mag-exist kung walang gumawa..

ok sasakyan ko yang "Where Did They Come From" mo....Saan galing kung Alam mo?

Banat ng mga ATHEIST yang "Where", ayaw nila gamitin yung "Who" pano di sila naniniwala sa Creator.... ;D ;D ;D

Di mo na kailangan mag-isip pa ng napakalalim sa existence ng Creator mismo ikaw na tao nilalang base sa kanyang "WANGIS"
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Re: PROVING GOD WITHOUT THE BIBLE
« Reply #56 on: Aug 03, 2015 at 03:50 AM »
It's hard to prove the Creator without the Bible, because the Bible proving and telling the existence of God....

The Title of this Thread are the same thought of Atheist proving the Universe came from NOTHING...without any basis and it came from their own imagination....... >:D >:D >:D >:D
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Re: PROVING GOD WITHOUT THE BIBLE
« Reply #57 on: Aug 03, 2015 at 06:04 AM »
I was expecting a direct answer sir(bumblebee) on How do you prove you exist, instead we get this non-reply.

Oh, I thought that was a rhetoric, a prelude to your next paragraphs :) How do I know I exist? You do know were having this conversation, don't you? :)

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Re: PROVING GOD WITHOUT THE BIBLE
« Reply #58 on: Aug 03, 2015 at 06:28 AM »
Oh, I thought that was a rhetoric, a prelude to your next paragraphs :) How do I know I exist? You do know were having this conversation, don't you? :)

Docelmo write the conversation between Bumblebee and Docelmo in a paper... then pass it on to his sons telling them this written conversation is a proof that Bumblebee exist... may maniniwala kaya?

or

someone claims that he's having a conversation with God... is their conversation enough to prove that God exist?

dont worry bumblebee... i believe that you exist.
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Re: PROVING GOD WITHOUT THE BIBLE
« Reply #59 on: Aug 03, 2015 at 06:34 AM »
Docelmo write the conversation between Bumblebee and Docelmo in a paper... then pass it on to his sons telling them this written conversation is a proof that Bumblebee exist... may maniniwala kaya?

or

someone claims that he's having a conversation with God... is their conversation enough to prove that God exist?

dont worry bumblebee... i believe that you exist.

There's a difference, dpogs. In docelmo's paper, I have my signature on it ;)