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Re: LGBT Issues - Religious Version
« Reply #30 on: Jul 06, 2015 at 02:18 PM »
i do favor marriage between individuals that have sperms and eggs and can perpetuate the homo sapiens species...

not because of any religious considerations.....it is nature, period....

just because they were dong it in the past makes the practice right.....
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« Reply #31 on: Jul 06, 2015 at 03:18 PM »
i do favor marriage between individuals that have sperms and eggs and can perpetuate the homo sapiens species...


Do you want to outlaw heterosexual marriages between sterile couples and older couples? What about couples who choose not to have children? Should natural procreation be a requirement for marriage?

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« Reply #32 on: Jul 06, 2015 at 05:49 PM »
Do you want to outlaw heterosexual marriages between sterile couples and older couples? What about couples who choose not to have children? Should natural procreation be a requirement for marriage?

no.....i said i want a fighting chance for the species to carry on....
a male can marry another male, a female another female, for all i care....
why just recently a mayor even took a crocodile for his bride and married the crocodile....
even Catherine the Great of Russia was rumored to have done it with a stallion...
people can do as they please....

what never fails to amaze me is your penchant for the LGBT...
as if they should get special treatment...and all attention as if those are the superior kind...

 
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« Reply #33 on: Jul 06, 2015 at 05:52 PM »
Early christian kills it doesnt mean we need to do it today also.
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« Reply #34 on: Jul 06, 2015 at 07:11 PM »
Do you want to outlaw heterosexual marriages between sterile couples and older couples? What about couples who choose not to have children? Should natural procreation be a requirement for marriage?

Maliwanag naman kung ano ang marriage under the law.
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Article 1. Marriage is a special contract of permanent union between a man and a woman entered into in accordance with law for the establishment of conjugal and family life. It is the foundation of the family and an inviolable social institution whose nature, consequences, and incidents are governed by law and not subject to stipulation, except that marriage settlements may fix the property relations during the marriage within the limits provided by this Code

Maliwanag din ang requirements...
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Art. 2. No marriage shall be valid, unless these essential requisites are present:
(1) Legal capacity of the contracting parties who must be a male and a female; and
(2) Consent freely given in the presence of the solemnizing officer

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« Reply #35 on: Jul 06, 2015 at 11:59 PM »
no.....i said i want a fighting chance for the species to carry on....

You do realize that there are 7 billion people in the world, right? Unless you know something I don't know, I think our species will be fine for a while.


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what never fails to amaze me is your penchant for the LGBT...
as if they should get special treatment...and all attention as if those are the superior kind...


What exactly are they asking for that's so special? They simply want the same rights as anyone else.

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« Reply #36 on: Jul 07, 2015 at 12:12 AM »
What exactly are they asking for that's so special? They simply want the same rights as anyone else.

You are confusing rights with the law.  Basic human rights is afforded every individual.  This is different from law.  Your basic rights are also afforded the LGBT community in conjunction with Philippine law.  They do have the same rights as anyone else.  Yes even marriage but strictly guided by what the law dictates.  Asking for SSM is special.  Because you need an act of congress for that to happen.

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« Reply #37 on: Jul 07, 2015 at 12:20 AM »
You are confusing rights with the law.  Basic human rights is afforded every individual.  This is different from law.  Your basic rights are also afforded the LGBT community in conjunction with Philippine law.  They do have the same rights as anyone else.  Yes even marriage but strictly guided by what the law dictates.  Asking for SSM is special.  Because you need an act of congress for that to happen.

Aha. Yes, in Philippine law is very old-fashioned and heteronormative. Sinali kasi ni Cory ang mga bishops eh. Yan tuloy.

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« Reply #38 on: Jul 07, 2015 at 12:27 AM »
Aha. Yes, in Philippine law is very old-fashioned and heteronormative. Sinali kasi ni Cory ang mga bishops eh. Yan tuloy.

dura lex sed lex

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« Reply #39 on: Jul 07, 2015 at 12:37 AM »
What exactly are they asking for that's so special? They simply want the same rights as anyone else.

everyone have the rights na mag-asawa... lahat dito sa Pilipinas ay may karapatang mag-asawa... pantay pantay naman tayo dito...

sino ba nagsabi na hindi pantay ang karapatan ng mga Pilipino pagdating sa pag-aasawa?
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Re: LGBT Issues - Religious Version
« Reply #40 on: Jul 07, 2015 at 07:04 AM »
You do realize that there are 7 billion people in the world, right? Unless you know something I don't know, I think our species will be fine for a while.


What exactly are they asking for that's so special? They simply want the same rights as anyone else.

that was what the Mayan's must have thought back then, until their civilization declined and vanished...
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Re: LGBT Issues - Religious Version
« Reply #41 on: Jul 07, 2015 at 09:50 AM »
I thought this was supposed to be the "religious version" thread.

If it's not about religion, post it in the original LGBT thread. 

Otherwise, what's the point?  Dalawa pa yung tinitignan ko, pareho lang pala ang laman.  Hay, special talaga...  ::)
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« Reply #42 on: Jul 07, 2015 at 10:13 AM »
Na bring up kasi ni Klaus yun "outlaw" and equal rights.    :)

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« Reply #43 on: Jul 07, 2015 at 05:40 PM »
Hindi ba magkaiba yun comparison mo?  Businesses don't refuse to sell to somebody who is gay.  The business owner refuses to participate in a gay event because it is against his religion.  Magkaiba yun a gay person enters a restaurant to eat there compared to hiring the restaurant to cater a gay wedding.

If you insist to use race, A business sells to a black person.  But it's a different matter to cater a black wedding.....if that is against his religion.
There's a very entertaining The Good Wife episode about this.

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« Reply #44 on: Jul 07, 2015 at 07:40 PM »
Eating shellfish ? The Bible said it is not that comes in our mouth that defiles a man but that what comes out of his/her mouth

Working on sabbath? Sabbath was made for man not man for sabbath.

Okay lang kung anuman kainin natin ayon sa Bibliya at ayos lang din ang magtrabaho on sabbath day... Pero wala akong nabasa na sinasabing okay lang makipagsex sa kapwa lalake/babae.
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« Reply #45 on: Jul 07, 2015 at 08:26 PM »
^^pagkatanda ko ayon sa bible, okey lang ang mag astang bakla or tomboy ang bawal ay makipagtalik sa same sex...
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« Reply #46 on: Jul 07, 2015 at 09:47 PM »
^^pagkatanda ko ayon sa bible, okey lang ang mag astang bakla or tomboy ang bawal ay makipagtalik sa same sex...

Wala naman talaga tayo magagawa kung ipinanganak tayong malambot o straight... But still we have a choice whether to have sex or not. :-)  so homosexuality is a choice not created.
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« Reply #47 on: Jul 08, 2015 at 01:44 AM »
^^pagkatanda ko ayon sa bible, okey lang ang mag astang bakla or tomboy ang bawal ay makipagtalik sa same sex...

There's nothing in the Bible that says that. It is simply the official stand of the Catholic Church with regards to homosexuality.

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« Reply #48 on: Jul 08, 2015 at 02:14 AM »
Eating shellfish ? The Bible said it is not that comes in our mouth that defiles a man but that what comes out of his/her mouth

Working on sabbath? Sabbath was made for man not man for sabbath.

Okay lang kung anuman kainin natin ayon sa Bibliya at ayos lang din ang magtrabaho on sabbath day... Pero wala akong nabasa na sinasabing okay lang makipagsex sa kapwa lalake/babae.

nabasa ko lang... bawal makipag sex ang lalake sa lakake o babae sa babae

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Re: LGBT Issues - Religious Version
« Reply #49 on: Jul 08, 2015 at 03:53 AM »
IMO dapat di pwedeng ikasal ang lalake sa lalake or babae sa babae. 
diba kasal is part ng religion.  kasi kung religion aside pwede partners nalang yung dalawang bakla or tomboy; tapos same rights/privilege nalang sila ng married couple para wala ng arte.  para naman di mabastos religion ng ibang tao. 
wala naman yatang pakialam mga religion dun sa mga gustong pakasal na bakla eh, ayaw lang naman nila gawin yun doon sa religion/church nila.  abusado talaga mga tao, gusto lahat makuha.
kung ako sa mga bakla and tomboy, refund nalang nila mga nabigay nila sa church nila kung ayaw silang ikasal doon, tapos wala nalang silang religion pero kasal sila; para walang gulo.

gay oppression card trumps race oppression card LOL
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« Reply #50 on: Jul 08, 2015 at 07:44 AM »
There's nothing in the Bible that says that. It is simply the official stand of the Catholic Church with regards to homosexuality.

it was mentioned in one of the four gospels....
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« Reply #51 on: Jul 08, 2015 at 08:11 AM »
it was mentioned in one of the four gospels....

ayon sa lgbt community at supporter ng homosexuality acts... mali raw ang pagkakaintindi natin... hindi raw iyon about same sex marriage or same gender sex :):):)
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« Reply #52 on: Jul 08, 2015 at 08:57 AM »
it was mentioned in one of the four gospels....

Ummm, no, it wasn't. Jesus never mentioned ANYTHING about homosexuality.

Unless, of course you count the time He healed the Roman centurion's "slave", a.k.a. pais, which btw also means "teenage boy lover". Some scholars INSIST it was just a slave or a servant. Others interpret that as Jesus healing a Roman centurion's gay lover.  If it was just a slave or a servant, why would the Roman centurion go through the trouble to ask Jesus to heal him?

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« Reply #53 on: Jul 08, 2015 at 11:53 AM »
Yan na naman?
 
Number of times Jesus spoke against homosexual acts and homosexual relationships = zero.

So at worst, He was indifferent. And depending on how you interpret that one story involving the Roman centurion asking Jesus to heal his "slave" (in some texts, the "slave" is referred to as "pais", which also means "teenage boy lover"), maybe even pro-gay.


Luke 7:2 says "doulos" (slave or servant). Matthew 8:5 says "pais" (child).

The definition of doulos under Strong's Number 1401: http://biblehub.com/greek/1401.htm
The definition of pais under Strong's Number 3816: http://biblehub.com/greek/3816.htm

Therefore, reconciling the two verses, the person referred to is a slave or servant who is a child.

The Greek Interlinear states:

Luke 7:2 - http://biblehub.com/interlinear/luke/7.htm
Matthew 8:5 - http://biblehub.com/interlinear/matthew/8.htm

To say that the servant is the centurion's homosexual lover is to add meaning that is not there.

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« Reply #54 on: Jul 08, 2015 at 11:58 AM »
Jesus did not specifically condemn same sex acts, so Jesus allowed it? 
 
Jesus did not specifically condemn pedophilia, bestiality, rape, and incest either.  This means Jesus allowed them?
 
You really should stop pretending to be a bible expert.
 
Jesus did not condemn shabu.  Puwede nang mag shabu ang Kristiyano!
 
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« Reply #55 on: Jul 08, 2015 at 12:11 PM »
Pedophilia, bestiality, rape, incest and drug abuse are obviously practices that can be harmful to a human being and to others.

A consensual same-sex relationship is harmful to no one.

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« Reply #56 on: Jul 08, 2015 at 12:22 PM »
Are you now avoiding biblical arguments?

This is a religion thread that you yourself started.  Why suddenly shift to secular arguments?

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« Reply #57 on: Jul 08, 2015 at 12:36 PM »
There's nothing in the Bible that says that. It is simply the official stand of the Catholic Church with regards to homosexuality.

If you say nothing in the bible prohibits homosexual sex acts, and I cite just one thing in the bible that prohibits it, that should be the end of it, right?
 
... I guess not.   :D
 
 
22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination. (Lev. 18:22)
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« Reply #58 on: Jul 08, 2015 at 01:00 PM »
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« Reply #59 on: Jul 08, 2015 at 01:03 PM »
Lol...
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