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Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
« Reply #60 on: Nov 18, 2016 at 10:32 PM »
Kung masipag ka lang mag abang, ito sana:

http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,210285.msg2464203.html#new

Kaso I doubt kung papakawalan pa ng nakapila. Sayang!

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Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
« Reply #61 on: Nov 18, 2016 at 11:56 PM »
Kung masipag ka lang mag abang, ito sana:

http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,210285.msg2464203.html#new

Kaso I doubt kung papakawalan pa ng nakapila. Sayang!
sold na ata yan hief. :)

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Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
« Reply #62 on: Nov 19, 2016 at 07:52 AM »
Kay sir markrenz may pioneer 1020 that's a good reciever 10k lang ata
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Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
« Reply #63 on: Nov 21, 2016 at 06:24 PM »
galing ako sa megamall kahapon pra pakingan yung wharf 200 series na set at pioneer vsx531.impression was parang mahina yung dating even if yung volume is nasa 50 na.nung 65 medyo pwede na at ngkaron n ng dating.

nung bumaba ako sa appliance center sakto may parehas na receiver pioneer 531 ulit.pinatry ko yung todoroki yung 40 na volume parang katumbas na yung 65 sa taas.

pagdating ko sa bahay naisip ko yung sa db na setting sa receiver. tinawagan ko yung sa wharf at
ko kung ilang db naka set.naka set daw ng 0 at hang plus 12 daw yun kaya pwede lumakas.

naisip ko bka naka taas lang yung db sa baba kaya mas malakas yung speaker nila.

question ko ay ok lng ba tinataas yung sensitivity ng receiver?may mawawala ba kapag inalis sa zero

yun ba yung tinatawag sa wharfedale na mahirap idrive?

tumawag din ako sa ibang shop ang sabi sa akin daw dapat onkyo 747 daw amp ang kunin ko.under wattage daw yung amplifier na yun para sa wharf 230

nagdala pala ko ng media player and hard drive.

input naman mga master
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Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
« Reply #64 on: Nov 21, 2016 at 06:34 PM »
pagkuha ka speaker consider mo sensitivity ng speaker, 90db pataas dapat para di hirap ang amp.

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Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
« Reply #65 on: Nov 21, 2016 at 06:44 PM »
galing ako sa megamall kahapon pra pakingan yung wharf 200 series na set at pioneer vsx531.impression was parang mahina yung dating even if yung volume is nasa 50 na.nung 65 medyo pwede na at ngkaron n ng dating.

nung bumaba ako sa appliance center sakto may parehas na receiver pioneer 531 ulit.pinatry ko yung todoroki yung 40 na volume parang katumbas na yung 65 sa taas.

pagdating ko sa bahay naisip ko yung sa db na setting sa receiver. tinawagan ko yung sa wharf at
ko kung ilang db naka set.naka set daw ng 0 at hang plus 12 daw yun kaya pwede lumakas.

naisip ko bka naka taas lang yung db sa baba kaya mas malakas yung speaker nila.

question ko ay ok lng ba tinataas yung sensitivity ng receiver?may mawawala ba kapag inalis sa zero

yun ba yung tinatawag sa wharfedale na mahirap idrive?

tumawag din ako sa ibang shop ang sabi sa akin daw dapat onkyo 747 daw amp ang kunin ko.under wattage daw yung amplifier na yun para sa wharf 230

nagdala pala ko ng media player and hard drive.

input naman mga master
Mahabang explanation yan sir. Relative 0 db. Hehe!
Before you dive into that, check na specs of amp and speaker muna. Then listen to it at your volume preference. Kung match ang specs and ayos ang tunog for you at your preferred volume, okay na din yan.

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Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
« Reply #66 on: Nov 21, 2016 at 08:38 PM »
kapag kayo ba sir nagcacalibrate ng fs nyo sir tinataas nyo 0db to +1db hangang 3db?

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Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
« Reply #67 on: Nov 21, 2016 at 08:43 PM »
kapag kayo ba sir nagcacalibrate ng fs nyo sir tinataas nyo 0db to +1db hangang 3db?

gamit ka ng SPL meter...using your avr for calibration, run pink noise over your speakers to get a uniform 75db for all your speakers.. adjust as necessary

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Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
« Reply #68 on: Nov 21, 2016 at 09:44 PM »
gamit ka ng SPL meter...using your avr for calibration, run pink noise over your speakers to get a uniform 75db for all your speakers.. adjust as necessary

so ibig ba sabihin sir ok lng na umabot let say +4db yung isang speaker tpos yung iba nka 0.bsta pareparehas sila sa spl na 75.

prang oo nga hindi naman pwede na zero lahat kasi magaadjust sya.kaso ang pagkakadinig ko sa 0db ay mahina masyado kahit nasa 40 na sya so ibig sabihin bka umabot sya sa 5db bago ko maramdaman yung maayos na tunog sa 40

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Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
« Reply #69 on: Nov 21, 2016 at 09:48 PM »
pwede rin po ba makitingin ang set up configuration nyo kahit yung speaker distance at yung level din ng sensitivity

kapag may time na lang mga sir

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Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
« Reply #70 on: Nov 21, 2016 at 10:07 PM »
pwede rin po ba makitingin ang set up configuration nyo kahit yung speaker distance at yung level din ng sensitivity

kapag may time na lang mga sir

Sir yun speakers distance is relative to your seating position and the speakers. Its not something that you copy from others kasi iba iba ng distance.

Re "level of sensitivity", I think your receiver has its own pink noise. All you have to do is to play them and adjust the "loudness. Even without an SPL meter, you have your ears naman to tell you if its louder than the other. If the system starts at front left speaker, then use that as a reference for "loudness". Compare it with the center and all the speakers. Kailangan sa start they have equal "loudness". Then after a few movies or so, adjust according to your preference.
Plus may auto calibration naman ang most receivers so if your not adept to the functions, let the auto calibration do it's job and enjoy your system.

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Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
« Reply #71 on: Nov 21, 2016 at 10:27 PM »
Mabuti siguro targetin mo na muna ang amp then habang wala pa syo basahin mo ang manual ahead. Importante ang calibration mic in case used ang mabili mo. Mahirap yung manghihiram ka lang dahil for sure panay ang kalikot mo.

Hayaan mo lang mag auto calibrate. Maraming ref. sa net. Kung may mahiram kang SPL meter the better but kung wala naman oks lang yan.

Don't forget your acoustics but pwedeng saka na yan. Again, madami ding ref. sa net about that.

9ft apart for your mains and sweetspot is ideal. I find having the center speaker above the screen/TV better dahil mas malapit sa taas ang ulo ng nagsasalita. Pwede namang to follow na lang muna ang surround ang importante maka 3.1 ka. That way malagyan mo ng magandang budget ang mains. Iwas SARS na rin yan. Kasi kung pagkasyahin mo ang budget mo ngayon for 5.1 o 7.1 baka mapilitan ka lang tyagain ang kasya then later once ipost mo na ang gears mo at maraming pumuri at lalawak na rin ang kaalaman mo dahil lagi kang naka tambay sa PDVD, mangangati kang mag upgrade sooner than you think.

Once ma hook ka dito, yari ka! Hehehe... Unless, after mo mag setup goodbye PDVD agad agad which I doubt haha!

Don't rush. Lapit na December (magkasalungat ata hehe).

Saan ba area mo?
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Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
« Reply #72 on: Nov 21, 2016 at 10:58 PM »
nova qc.yung budget ko as in matagal bago ako magupgrade.actually gsto ko lng makita kung normal ba yung front l&r at center ay pwedeng itaas yung 0db?yung surround kasi ok na sya ss 0db.syempre iba pa rin kapag nasa bahay na.ang kinakabahala ko lang ay kpag binili ko yung vsx531 at wharf na set ay paguwi ko ay hindi ko pla pwede taasan yung 0db dahil baka masira speaker or sagad na yung 0db sa front l&r center(mahina kasi para sa akin yung 0db na pang test nila).dapat pala kinalikot ko na yung receiver habang andun.hindi ko rin nakita kung ilang ft yung naka set up.or worst case ang max nya is 0db at pwede lang pahina.kaya ang mangyayari bitin na talaga lakas nya at magsisi ako na sana ibang receiver na lng or ibang speaker na lng.wala din kasi oras magaudition lagi sobra busy at pinakamalapit ay 2hrs na byahe dahil sa trafik

ang kunyari sa tanung ko fronts 0db volume 40
spl 75.kung target ko maging spl 75 pero gusto ko volume nya is 20 lang pwede ko bang gawing +3db sya para maging +3db volume 20 na lang spl 75 pa rin para lumakas lahat.tapos yun ang magiging guide ko para may allowance pa ko sa volume.unlike dun nga sa pagdinig ko

0db daw yung fronts pero nsa 55 na at malapit na masagad sa 80 ay bitin pa rin

pwede ba syang gawin

+4db yung fronts para kahit 30 volume ay malakas na siya

example lang yung number kasi hindi ko madescribe nang maayos

halos kasi lahat ng napanood ko sa youtube at sinearch ko sa net puro -4.5 upto 0db lang yung fronts nila.wla ako nakita sa front na lumagpas ng 0db.kaya worried ako na baka  hangang dun lang capacity ng receiver at speaker dahil sa matching nila or baka sira yung receiver at hindi ko lng alam.

sorry sa mahabang post
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Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
« Reply #73 on: Nov 22, 2016 at 01:12 AM »
Malaki ba yung room niyo sir? Malakas na kasi yung volume na 50 lalo na pag dts yung output niya

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Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
« Reply #74 on: Nov 22, 2016 at 01:46 AM »
yung 0db kasi reference level na yan, sobrang lakas na yan...
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Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
« Reply #75 on: Nov 22, 2016 at 06:42 AM »
yung 0db kasi reference level na yan, sobrang lakas na yan...

d ko rin nakita e baka naman nung tinest e hindi 0 db.kaya ako nalilito

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Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
« Reply #76 on: Nov 22, 2016 at 07:15 AM »
Kung wala kang spl meter meron mga apps for android and iphone na pwede mong ma download. Para di ka mahirapan sir auto calibrate mo na lang tapos saka ka na lang mag adjust or mag tweak pero most of the time sakto naman ang result ng auto calibration based on my experience with pioneer and marantz receivers.

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Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
« Reply #77 on: Nov 22, 2016 at 08:43 PM »
nakita ko na yung setting 0db sya na pwede hangang plus 12db ata.

anu mas maganda bnew na pioneer vsx531 14800 or 2nd hand na onkyo 545- 17k;636 -16k 110v din

and sa elac b6 and wharf 230 kaya?
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Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
« Reply #78 on: Nov 23, 2016 at 08:04 AM »
If and only if limited lang talaga sa 3 receivers na yan, I'd pick the 636. 531 would be my last choice. Never liked the sound and features of entry level receivers with their wimpy power supplies, ever.
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Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
« Reply #79 on: Nov 23, 2016 at 12:37 PM »
for me, i prefer to buy the following audio gears:
   receiver-as brand new
   front,center, surrounds speakers-as second/third hand
   subwoofer-as second hand

my reason is that generally, receivers have shorter lifespan than speakers and sub, being a mere electronic item (baka may issues na mabili mo hence no peace of mind kasi mahal magpaayos ng receiver.)

im not comfortable though with entry level receivers like pioneer 531 because of weak power. pioneer 930 is way better if you can allocate a bit more of your budget, or onkyo 737.

kung walang issues/sira, i chose onkyo 545 over 636 mainly because its a bit newer generation than 636 (656 na ngayon and 555).

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Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
« Reply #80 on: Nov 23, 2016 at 01:23 PM »
mga magkanu dapat ang iallot ko sir para sa receiver baka mastrecth ko pa konti?magkanu din yung pioneer 930 kaya

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Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
« Reply #81 on: Nov 23, 2016 at 02:47 PM »
sir, iirc Php60K budget mo.  kayang ma-stretch to 7.1 ATMOS/DST:X set-up yan...

- brand-new ONKYO HTIB HT-S7800  -- find and wait for a local distributor to sell this here

- brand-new Onkyo 555 or brand-new Denon X1300W or Yamaha (pardon but these are way better with the Pio you're opting)
- look for 2nd-hand speakers and sub

balik ka sa megamall, sa glorietta or sa MCS or ask our kind PDVD gentlemen here who owns a shop posting their lots in MP =))  PM mo sila lahat and ask to help you with your dilemma =))

wag magmadali sir...

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Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
« Reply #82 on: Nov 24, 2016 at 11:28 AM »
kung sakaling mag bookshelf ako pwede ba sya ilagay sa av rack?planning to audition the elac b6 kapalit ng wharf 230.hindi kasi pwede sa stand dahil may mga chikiting na sgrado makakatama.kaya balak ko fs para hindi ganun kadali bumagsak

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Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
« Reply #83 on: Nov 24, 2016 at 12:12 PM »
Sir paggawa na lang kayo kay Sir Turbokiller ng stand  na may harang sa sides, front and back sa top plate para di mapatid.

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Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
« Reply #84 on: Nov 24, 2016 at 09:04 PM »
san ba meron na mura at magandang 14guage na wire para sa surrounds

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Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
« Reply #85 on: Nov 24, 2016 at 09:23 PM »
san ba meron na mura at magandang 14guage na wire para sa surrounds
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Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
« Reply #86 on: Nov 24, 2016 at 11:19 PM »
12 gauge mo na lahat

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Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
« Reply #87 on: Nov 25, 2016 at 08:54 AM »
yung onkyo444 ba matatawag na mid level receiver na?beside sa 7.1 nya may difference ba sya sa pioneer vsx531?balak ko magpalit ng receiver na bibilhin

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Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
« Reply #88 on: Nov 25, 2016 at 12:16 PM »
nop, it's entry level receiver na 7.1

onkyo 444 is almost the same as onkyo 343 with even the same wattage and almost the same features, except that instead of 5.1 eh 7.1 cya.

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Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
« Reply #89 on: Nov 25, 2016 at 02:37 PM »
nop, it's entry level receiver na 7.1

onkyo 444 is almost the same as onkyo 343 with even the same wattage and almost the same features, except that instead of 5.1 eh 7.1 cya.
anu pinkamurang mid level na receiver na bnew ngayon sa market?