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Advantage of tower speaker?
« on: Jul 26, 2018 at 01:47 AM »
I'm a movie guy, bihira ako makinig sa music. I have Triton 7's for my mains, connected to an external amp.
a.> If I'm using a subwoofer, is there an advantage (for movies) going low on crossover, 40hz, 60hz?
b.> Or is it better to leave them at 80hz?

I tried going 40 and 60hz, seemed like the result was less.
If it's best to just leave them at 80hz, am I not utilizing the capabilities of my towers?
Is it still worth upgrading beyond the 7's or is it better to downgrade to bookshelves?

Looking forward to your inputs. Thanks guys.

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Re: Advantage of tower speaker?
« Reply #1 on: Jul 26, 2018 at 02:09 AM »
Triton 7 are very capable FS for movies. Setting the speaker xover up to 60hz is doable given your power amp.

For sub xover, yeah. Setting it below 80hz would result in lesser low frequencies for your sub. I enjoy a 120hz sub xover setting for more thump.

Personally I would love to have Triton 7 for all of my speakers crossed at 60hz. I wouldn't mind  low frequencies on my speakers.

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Re: Advantage of tower speaker?
« Reply #2 on: Jul 26, 2018 at 02:45 AM »
Sorry, I wasn't clear with my statement. I left my sub at 120hz, and tried my Triton 7's at 40hz, 60hz and 80hz. I think the 80hz sounded the best.

Oh and I'm running my sub at about 4-6db hot, so maybe that was it. Instead of the 7's producing those 60hz, it was the sub.
So if I'm using bookshelves, would I yield the same result?
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Re: Advantage of tower speaker?
« Reply #3 on: Jul 26, 2018 at 10:35 AM »
I ran a 2 channel HT system using a bookshelf (80 hz first order filter) and sub (60hz), after moving to a floorstander, 3 ways with 12 inch woofers with no crossover, the results was awesome, never going back to bookshelves. More midbass punch.

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Re: Advantage of tower speaker?
« Reply #4 on: Jul 26, 2018 at 01:07 PM »
I ran a 2 channel HT system using a bookshelf (80 hz first order filter) and sub (60hz), after moving to a floorstander, 3 ways with 12 inch woofers with no crossover, the results was awesome, never going back to bookshelves. More midbass punch.

Are you still using your sub at 60hz? Why the crossover? I thought it's best to leave subs at 120hz.
So are you running your floorstanders at large setting?
If given a chance, would you purchase an upgraded floorstanders from your current one? Or it's just not worth it anymore? (Movies application only)

Punchier midbass seems to be logical compared to bookshelves. Thanks for your input.

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Re: Advantage of tower speaker?
« Reply #5 on: Jul 26, 2018 at 01:37 PM »
Sub settings are dependent on the ff in my opinion:

lower frequency response of the mains (in this case floor standers)
desired output in low end frequency (hot setting @ 80 to 100hz for example)
Room size (ability in pressurizing the room)

Come to think of it there is no best or most ideal setting for that matter. For Music what is important is always how the sub integrates to the mains and its speed (if the sub can match up to the mains and not sound like its sluggishly lagging behind lets say on a bass guitar). HT is more tolerant. One can dial up the bass and over exaggerate the low end so that a bomb blast will sound like...a bomb going off.  If you ask 10 users in PDVD what their sub/mains settings are for their Music or HT systems you may get 10 different answers.  We are only talking about settings here...placement is a different matter altogether that will affect the settings.

In hindsight you can just set it so that it yields the most desirable output for you after which you can just enjoy music or movies afterwards.
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Re: Advantage of tower speaker?
« Reply #6 on: Jul 26, 2018 at 03:08 PM »
@synchro_01

Copy that. My question now is, would I get a benefit if I upgraded my FS speakers? Because from my testing, setting the crossover of my mains to lower value (40hz, 60hz) doesn't seem to be better than 80hz, I might even say they sounded a bit worse. (Movie application)

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Re: Advantage of tower speaker?
« Reply #7 on: Jul 30, 2018 at 08:48 PM »
I use a 2 channel amp. No crossovers, Sub is set at 60-80hz, I forgot na.  Floorstanders are run full range.  My floorstanders are 3 ways with 12 inch woofers, no plans on going larger.
 

Are you still using your sub at 60hz? Why the crossover? I thought it's best to leave subs at 120hz.
So are you running your floorstanders at large setting?
If given a chance, would you purchase an upgraded floorstanders from your current one? Or it's just not worth it anymore? (Movies application only)

Punchier midbass seems to be logical compared to bookshelves. Thanks for your input.

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Re: Advantage of tower speaker?
« Reply #8 on: Jul 30, 2018 at 08:51 PM »
What is your sub ?


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Re: Advantage of tower speaker?
« Reply #9 on: Jul 31, 2018 at 01:22 AM »
@qguy

I have a PC13 ultra for sub, and Triton 7's for L/R. There's a possibility that I'll redo my setup from the ground up, and am just wondering if going bigger would be better, or it would just be a waste of potential, as I am not a music person.

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Re: Advantage of tower speaker?
« Reply #10 on: Jul 31, 2018 at 10:04 AM »
Try to demo bigger fronts with larger woofers, something with  two 8 inch woofer or bigger :)

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Re: Advantage of tower speaker?
« Reply #11 on: Jul 31, 2018 at 11:01 AM »
Also, what is the issue with your current system that makes you want to upgrade? What specific sound aspect do you want to improve?

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Re: Advantage of tower speaker?
« Reply #12 on: Jul 31, 2018 at 01:29 PM »
Also, what is the issue with your current system that makes you want to upgrade? What specific sound aspect do you want to improve?

I'm actually happy with my current setup. But, there might be a reset button in the future, and I may need to redo my HT. So if I can improve (or save) on something, I will bite.

Try to demo bigger fronts with larger woofers, something with  two 8 inch woofer or bigger :)

I know demoing is key, I was dead set on buying B&W series, but after an A/B demo, I ended up with the Tritons (which was cheaper). I just want to know if going the bookshelf route would yield the same result for movies, or going bigger is better, or there's just a line I need not cross.

As of now, I'm gathering as much knowledge as I can, so when the time comes, I'll know what to look for.

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Re: Advantage of tower speaker?
« Reply #13 on: Jul 31, 2018 at 02:06 PM »
There is no replacement for displacement :) Bigger Woofers Rule, specially in HT

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Re: Advantage of tower speaker?
« Reply #14 on: Jul 31, 2018 at 03:24 PM »
bigger is better for me also if space permits

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Re: Advantage of tower speaker?
« Reply #15 on: Jul 31, 2018 at 03:47 PM »
Sir off you might want to try my system. I'm running my 5 speakers with a 10" woofer. The 2 surround back on 8". All DIY including sub. You can try it with sub on and sub off.

For me, cutting the speakers at lower frequencies also helps in the panning of mid-low frequencies. May mga 60-80hz frequencies din akong nadidinid sa surrounds so it makes it sound more realistic like gunshots, canons, helicopter blades.

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Re: Advantage of tower speaker?
« Reply #16 on: Jul 31, 2018 at 05:24 PM »
Sir off you might want to try my system. I'm running my 5 speakers with a 10" woofer. The 2 surround back on 8". All DIY including sub. You can try it with sub on and sub off.

For me, cutting the speakers at lower frequencies also helps in the panning of mid-low frequencies. May mga 60-80hz frequencies din akong nadidinid sa surrounds so it makes it sound more realistic like gunshots, canons, helicopter blades.

I might take you up on your offer. I haven't heard a DIY setup before, and am now curious. As I am contemplating on doing a behind the screen speakers setup. Did you make your speakers yourself?

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Re: Advantage of tower speaker?
« Reply #17 on: Jul 31, 2018 at 05:31 PM »
bigger is better for me also if space permits

I'd have 6m x 5.5m to work with. I've read somewhere that bigger is indeed better, but for movie applications and with sub, it's not by much, if at all. Last time I auditioned speakers at a shop was without a sub. I was trying to A/B two brands. Maybe next time I'll try the same brand with big vs bigger w/ sub.

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Re: Advantage of tower speaker?
« Reply #18 on: Jul 31, 2018 at 05:47 PM »
I'd have 6m x 5.5m to work with. I've read somewhere that bigger is indeed better, but for movie applications and with sub, it's not by much, if at all. Last time I auditioned speakers at a shop was without a sub. I was trying to A/B two brands. Maybe next time I'll try the same brand with big vs bigger w/ sub.
This is just my experience. I previously owned branded speakers, now I’m into DIY like sir Nelson with 12 inch LCRs and 10 inch surrounds. 

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« Reply #19 on: Jul 31, 2018 at 06:23 PM »
This is just my experience. I previously owned branded speakers, now I’m into DIY like sir Nelson with 12 inch LCRs and 10 inch surrounds. 

How much power do you feed those speakers? Do you still use subs?

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Re: Advantage of tower speaker?
« Reply #20 on: Jul 31, 2018 at 07:57 PM »
I might take you up on your offer. I haven't heard a DIY setup before, and am now curious. As I am contemplating on doing a behind the screen speakers setup. Did you make your speakers yourself?

Sure John. You still have my number?

I hired a carpenter to make the enclosure design by master Stagea.

How much power do you feed those speakers? Do you still use subs?

Good question because different speakers, DIY or branded requie different power. I'm using an Elite receiver to power my speakers.

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Re: Advantage of tower speaker?
« Reply #21 on: Jul 31, 2018 at 09:28 PM »
How much power do you feed those speakers? Do you still use subs?
I use full range drivers with high efficiency, 97-99db, so no need for too much power. I still need a sub for this, planning for more subs in the future. 

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Re: Advantage of tower speaker?
« Reply #22 on: Jul 31, 2018 at 09:47 PM »
Pics please :)

What drivers are you using ?

Sir off you might want to try my system. I'm running my 5 speakers with a 10" woofer. The 2 surround back on 8". All DIY including sub. You can try it with sub on and sub off.

For me, cutting the speakers at lower frequencies also helps in the panning of mid-low frequencies. May mga 60-80hz frequencies din akong nadidinid sa surrounds so it makes it sound more realistic like gunshots, canons, helicopter blades.

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Re: Advantage of tower speaker?
« Reply #23 on: Jul 31, 2018 at 10:21 PM »
Pics please :)

What drivers are you using ?


10" JBL 3way coax for center and surrounds, A-audio 10" full range for LR, 8" JBL coax for surround back. It's "hidden", not exposed.

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Re: Advantage of tower speaker?
« Reply #24 on: Aug 01, 2018 at 12:37 AM »
How does the 10  inch full range driver cope with High frequency information ?  I have the 8 inch version and find it a bit lacking in HF detail.

Where did you get JBL 10 inch coax drivers ?

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Re: Advantage of tower speaker?
« Reply #25 on: Aug 01, 2018 at 01:03 AM »
How does the 10  inch full range driver cope with High frequency information ?  I have the 8 inch version and find it a bit lacking in HF detail.

It couldn't when compared side by side but descent enough for HT.

Where did you get JBL 10 inch coax drivers ?

I bought it 2009 pa from different car audio dealers. Paubos na kasi.

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Re: Advantage of tower speaker?
« Reply #26 on: Aug 01, 2018 at 01:08 AM »
sir qguy try mo yung audio nirvana  maganda hf nya

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Re: Advantage of tower speaker?
« Reply #27 on: Aug 01, 2018 at 01:39 AM »
Not really into single drivers,  I just happened to have one by chance

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« Reply #28 on: Aug 01, 2018 at 04:51 AM »
Sure John. You still have my number?

I hired a carpenter to make the enclosure design by master Stagea.

Good question because different speakers, DIY or branded requie different power. I'm using an Elite receiver to power my speakers.

Thanks sir Nelson. Pag matuloy ung plan ko, I'll contact you. Papaturo narin ako if it's ok.

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Re: Advantage of tower speaker?
« Reply #29 on: Aug 01, 2018 at 11:41 AM »
Sure.

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