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Re: Speaker DIY'ers
« Reply #1020 on: Jul 24, 2014 at 02:16 PM »
Let the experience sink in and the anger pass... ganyan ginagawa ng mga modellers to prevent "flying" kits... :P

If all else fails, may Bosny na kulay Silver Red naman eh hahaha >:D



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Re: Speaker DIY'ers
« Reply #1021 on: Jul 24, 2014 at 02:28 PM »
I partially sanded my test panel. Promising. The grains did get darker. I applied very thin Stain and Finish. No run even when dried vertically. Now, the trick is to sand it evenly or as desired if I opt for a distressed look.



Sir, brush ba gamit mo? mas ok kung spray baka may kakilala ka na may spray or air brush. Suggestion lang naman heheheh.
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Re: Speaker DIY'ers
« Reply #1022 on: Jul 24, 2014 at 02:35 PM »
Pagnatuyo ang finish Gino at di ka pa happy, sand it down and bring it over.... Spray ko yan for you......

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Re: Speaker DIY'ers
« Reply #1023 on: Jul 24, 2014 at 05:06 PM »
Thanks for the offer.

How come when I applied sealer, sand smooth, and applied Stain and Finish, there are rough grainy dry spots? What are those? I didn't feel those before application.

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Re: Speaker DIY'ers
« Reply #1024 on: Jul 24, 2014 at 07:26 PM »
naranasan ko yan dati sir,,,guitar naman ung sakin at meron din niyan..lalo na siguro sayo ksi plywood yan..,ang ginawa ko, pagkatapos ng unang application, sanding muna then another application, sanding again...until naka 3-4 yata ako ng sealer bago ako nagkulay...kailangan tuyong tuyo before every application..
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Re: Speaker DIY'ers
« Reply #1025 on: Jul 24, 2014 at 07:38 PM »
i duco finish na lang. ferrari red ;D

Let the experience sink in and the anger pass... ganyan ginagawa ng mga modellers to prevent "flying" kits... :P

If all else fails, may Bosny na kulay Silver Red naman eh hahaha >:D



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Re: Speaker DIY'ers
« Reply #1026 on: Jul 24, 2014 at 09:11 PM »
Thanks for the offer.

How come when I applied sealer, sand smooth, and applied Stain and Finish, there are rough grainy dry spots? What are those? I didn't feel those before application.



Hmmm. weird nga. When using plywood, I first sand it down with grit 220 for a smooth finish, then apply a layer of sanding sealer, then sand it lightly after 24-48 hours depending on the weather condition (so mangyayari yung pores na lang yung mafi-fill with sanding sealer. Ok naman ang staining (and poly), pantay naman, although I haven't tried Ace stain & finish.

Anyone knows if Ace stain & finish can be applied by cloth? Or brush lang talaga?
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Re: Speaker DIY'ers
« Reply #1027 on: Jul 24, 2014 at 09:23 PM »
You can wipe it but you will end up wiping excess fully. In which case the color is very light like Boysen. Mabilis din siya maging sticky. halos few seconds lang from application. So you don't have enough time like stain.

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Re: Speaker DIY'ers
« Reply #1028 on: Jul 24, 2014 at 09:29 PM »

I used cloth to apply both conditioner and Polyshades.. Have to sand with 220 grit on every coat and applied very thin layer..
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Re: Speaker DIY'ers
« Reply #1029 on: Jul 24, 2014 at 09:30 PM »
Oh ok. Baka ganun talaga, apply 1 layer, then apply a next layer the next day or so if already dry to have a darker color. Ganun ba sa instructions ng can?
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Re: Speaker DIY'ers
« Reply #1030 on: Jul 24, 2014 at 10:37 PM »
Sa Ace Stain and Finish, brush it on and leave it is what the instruction said. There in lies the problem. What you paint is what you will get. Think of it as a tinted clear paint.

If you already have it, yes you can paint and wipe. But very small window before it gets tacky. Then build the coats. But poly is thick so rag will be messy. A stand alone stain is better suited for wiping.

The shade when wiped is very light. Same as Boysen. So I think I can get it dark with Boysen but a lot of layers.

The wood and prep needs to be perfect for a successful application of Ace Stain and Finish. I think brushing can yield good results with the proper prep and technique. I've had good samples.

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Re: Speaker DIY'ers
« Reply #1031 on: Jul 25, 2014 at 10:34 AM »
Oh ok, medyo tricky pala yung Ace stain & finish. Siguro nga proper handling and technique. I'll just stick to the traditional stain first and then poly after
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Re: Speaker DIY'ers
« Reply #1032 on: Jul 25, 2014 at 11:49 AM »
I'm in a bit of a pickle. I sanded my test stained and polied panel. The low spots have black stain. I cannot sand any deeper because I will break through the plywood veneer. Looks like I cannot bring my boxes back the my original Boysen finish.


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Re: Speaker DIY'ers
« Reply #1033 on: Jul 25, 2014 at 12:32 PM »
That is the problem with plywood nowadays, very uneven. You can lightly sand the low portions carefully but it will retain its depth and come out uneven.
If you want it totally flat, it will make the overall finish dark naman kasi you need several coats.
Damned if you do, damned if you don't ika nga. Sorry brader. This is the reason I use birch plywood whenever I can, painted or stained will just come out better with good materials and the result is less work and better product.

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Re: Speaker DIY'ers
« Reply #1034 on: Jul 25, 2014 at 01:09 PM »
I agree. Much of my problems had to do with the wood quality. I think with my boards, the separate stain is the way to go. I will make new boxes.

The current boxes are decent looking at prop distances. I can live with it a while. I'll cut my losses.

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Re: Speaker DIY'ers
« Reply #1035 on: Jul 25, 2014 at 02:18 PM »
Sir try mo yung stain and sealer in one, Konig works for me and I use foam/sponge to apply. Then paint thinner na ordinary lang gamit ko to lighten up or remove the stain entirely. I used boysen before pero di ko ata makuha color gusto ko, so what I do is buy pinaka maliit na can of different color/shade then mix to get my target shade.

Here is what I did to my Harbeth speakers...

http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,148537.330.html

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Re: Speaker DIY'ers
« Reply #1036 on: Jul 25, 2014 at 03:03 PM »
Excellent work. You have good wood to begin with.

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Re: Speaker DIY'ers
« Reply #1037 on: Jul 25, 2014 at 04:54 PM »
Kung sakin nangyari to, instead of making another box, bili nlng ako ng vinyl sticker..sa ace hardware, there were various wood finishes to choose from at around 200 pesos a meter...

suggestion lang naman. ;D
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Re: Speaker DIY'ers
« Reply #1038 on: Jul 26, 2014 at 07:26 AM »
kung sa akin naman, mas mura Bosny spray paint, yun Silver Red...

suggestion lang naman din ;D


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Re: Speaker DIY'ers
« Reply #1039 on: Jul 27, 2014 at 01:47 PM »
i duco finish na lang. ferrari red ;D





pwede din ito oh...

kumusta na kaya ang box, umaaraw na lately...


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Re: Speaker DIY'ers
« Reply #1040 on: Aug 01, 2014 at 08:42 AM »
Where can I buy wood veneer?

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Re: Speaker DIY'ers
« Reply #1041 on: Aug 01, 2014 at 08:52 AM »
Where can I buy wood veneer?

sa ricad meron. nag inquire ako dati sa mc home global. price ranges from 1.5k-3.5k ang plywood size, real wood veneer.

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« Reply #1042 on: Aug 01, 2014 at 09:11 AM »
sa ricad meron. nag inquire ako dati sa mc home global. price ranges from 1.5k-3.5k ang plywood size, real wood veneer.
As far as I know, yung mga P1.5-3.5k, hindi real wood veneer pa yan, synthetic lang yung outer layer(formica type?).

Real wood veneer (all wood) costs around the P5k up range.

Sa Wilcon meron, but I think medyo pricey.

May nakita akong local company dati na mayroong machine na nagveveneer talaga ng real wood, but I forgot already the company name.
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Re: Speaker DIY'ers
« Reply #1043 on: Aug 01, 2014 at 09:21 AM »
As far as I know, yung mga P1.5-3.5k, hindi real wood veneer pa yan, synthetic lang yung outer layer(formica type?).

Real wood veneer (all wood) costs around the P5k up range.


estimate lang binigay sakin dahil nag inquire lang naman ako.  pero i clarify na hindi formica yun. yung 1.5k daw, plain lang yun. baka yung 3.5k above ang magagandang wood. 

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Re: Speaker DIY'ers
« Reply #1044 on: Aug 01, 2014 at 09:40 AM »
I was thinking finding real wood na sakto na yung color. Then an easy and predictable wipe on finish.

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Re: Speaker DIY'ers
« Reply #1045 on: Aug 01, 2014 at 09:45 AM »
Real wood veneer is the go to finish of most DIYers sa western countries like US. Easily available kasi sa kanila. Nag-search ako sa youtube kung paano i-apply, pina-plantsa pala para flat talaga sa plywood.

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Re: Speaker DIY'ers
« Reply #1046 on: Aug 01, 2014 at 09:53 AM »
try call san jose cabinet if they accept veneer work.

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Re: Speaker DIY'ers
« Reply #1047 on: Aug 01, 2014 at 09:59 AM »
If I will have someone else do it, my choice will be Anthony. No brainer. He has extensive experience. It will come out cheaper. It's an option.

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« Reply #1048 on: Aug 01, 2014 at 10:40 AM »
try call san jose cabinet if they accept veneer work.


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« Reply #1049 on: Aug 01, 2014 at 10:43 AM »
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