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Re: What's the biggest reason why you won't go tubes?
« Reply #420 on: Apr 18, 2016 at 04:38 PM »
niceness. pang harabas, rakrakan.
btw, the rack is pine material, palo china, tama ba?
like na like ng anay yan. treated po ba, what treatment did u use kung meron man?
yes sir dana, it's palo china, no treatment sir, iniiwasan ko lang mabasa, I think mukhang matibay naman, thanks sir.
@jerryidol, I will wait for you to post the "mayaman" tube set-up that you use for Vocals, Jazz, Acoustic. You, Me, Remington, and those who have visited your place know who made the AMP ;) Ha ha ha!
hahaha, dared mp5 & jd labs baby t lng boss yung nadinig nyo ni sir remington,  ;) thanks boss  :)

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Re: What's the biggest reason why you won't go tubes?
« Reply #421 on: Apr 18, 2016 at 05:25 PM »
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dared mp5

yan lang ulam na.... >:D
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Re: What's the biggest reason why you won't go tubes?
« Reply #422 on: Apr 18, 2016 at 08:32 PM »
Yes sir tony, enjoy ko muna po stock  ;) ty sir

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Re: What's the biggest reason why you won't go tubes?
« Reply #423 on: Apr 18, 2016 at 08:33 PM »
Since the thread is already full of OT post, might as well join the bandwagon.
Gears I see:
1) Technics SL-1200 MK2 with M-447 + AT95(reserved)
2) Rega Apollo Top Loading CD Player
3) Cyrus MK-II AMP used as Phono Stage
4) Yamaha AS-500
5) Polk LSi9 - Mint

Take note, this is only Jerryidol's "Super budget meal" set-up.
Speaker palang buong system ko na.

Dedicated rock set-up(super budget meal)    >:D
" no tubes "  ;D

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Re: What's the biggest reason why you won't go tubes?
« Reply #424 on: Apr 19, 2016 at 07:15 AM »
Yes sir tony, enjoy ko muna po stock  ;) ty sir

had a chance to service one, just like the Sakura AV200, this amp also uses tubes as buffers,
but the difference is, this Dared used a gainclone amp while the Sakura used discrete trannies in the power
output stage...both are good sounding, but the Dared5 gets my vote...
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Re: What's the biggest reason why you won't go tubes?
« Reply #425 on: Apr 19, 2016 at 09:00 AM »
Had a chance to service one, just like the Sakura AV200, this amp also uses tubes as buffers,
but the difference is, this Dared used a gainclone amp while the Sakura used discrete trannies in the power
output stage...bot are good sounding, but the Dared5 gets my vote...

[/quote]malambing kasi sir tony




Take note, this is only Jerryidol's "Super budget meal" set-up.
Speaker palang buong system ko na.

[/quote]hahaha, bka di sila maniwala boss, super humble tlga si boss jojo
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Re: What's the biggest reason why you won't go tubes?
« Reply #426 on: Apr 19, 2016 at 11:34 AM »
i also tried the Sakura AV200 watching movies, talaga naman na dumadagondong.....
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Re: What's the biggest reason why you won't go tubes?
« Reply #427 on: Apr 27, 2016 at 01:31 PM »
hello,  this thread was dated back its opening in May 2002,  almost 14 years ago.  I am late.....  :) :) :)

I am not much into tube, i am more on present day solution and processing power, but for curiosity, I got sucked in into tube amplifier (driven by curiosity and when you feel tired of SS solution)  and my biggest problem (personally)  is :

  the power consumption

as a supporter for the low power consumption or that called Full eco compliant product/project.   

well, now a days, there are design of Tube preamplifier  which makes use of lower voltage based on voltage trippler, and indeed reduced the power consumption,  but this is only for tube preamplifier and not for tube amplifier.

There is a question as well that,  makes use of 35Vdc instead of 300Vdc makes the sound different?  and remains a question,  we have a group buy in other forum  (elab.ph),  for 115 pcs of this tube preamplifier,   45 goes to hobbyist, the rest is for school,  and looks like that,  what the user expect is that, the tube can  make the sound better,  like a miracle   :D :D :D,   and ended up in long explaining  specially to the school  :D :D :D :D, that was pain!

as suggest by others is it to have a hybrid solution, sir Tony mentioned

1.  Buffer / pre amplifier.... Tube preamplifier
2.  amplifier ...................  class A or Class AB


There were also request to have a Power Management incorporated into the Tube amp,  so that, it will
1.  turn off the tube after certain time  (specially when you use tube amp during your sleep)
2.  will manage to tell the user  when to replace the tube, etc.  (and probably tell the user to contact who  ?????  ;D ;D)

As for the cost reason,   
with the deployment of Chinese tube manufacturer & continuous production,  tube prices gone down after 14 years compared to the price in 2002, the good thing is that, several guys offer a DIY kit already.

I have a tube preampfifer and Tube Amplifier in my friend in Manila,  you may contact Rochie to have a test in his listening room, this is a DIY one.    There was a plan for a group buy........ but scared of the scenario that,  Group buyers think that Tube amplifier is like a "mana machine"

But the reality, is that, 
Tube are coming back.   In the april HK / Shenzhen and Guangzhuo show,  i was there..... and many audio gadgets are on board with tube,  even Samsung DVD, they put a tube and show those glowing tube,  i see also TEAC.

What  is painful is that,   some local Chinese manufacturer designed the amplifier looks like TUBE, with cute tube glowing light  but the processing is IC or class AB/D amplifier.





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Re: What's the biggest reason why you won't go tubes?
« Reply #428 on: Apr 27, 2016 at 06:07 PM »
Dandy, tube set amps are power hungry.....
my 5894 set pulls in 100 watts on an output of a mere 5 watts per channel...
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Re: What's the biggest reason why you won't go tubes?
« Reply #429 on: Apr 28, 2016 at 06:16 PM »
Oh, that is just 10% efficiency, if I may say.

Yes Sir,  if the mindset is on power consumption like me who is a supporter of Fulleco implementation,  I may not want it.   But,  there is other solution, like you proposed

to have tube in ourr music gadget,  let see my diy Tube preamplifier driving SS amplifier





(its a diy setup in my bench)
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Re: What's the biggest reason why you won't go tubes?
« Reply #431 on: Jun 11, 2016 at 04:20 PM »
Maybe now is a good time to start to get into tubes ...

oh yeah!  My friends ask me to "source"  a

   1. tube preamplifier with multi input
   2. tube amplifier

and got lucky to find one.......    do you want it too?  If yes,  check with Rochie

Or, someone like it,  let's see a group buy  (window of oppurtunity is 1 week June 13 to June 17,   before shipment to Manila).

Better check with Rochie for an audition in his home studio  :)
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Re: What's the biggest reason why you won't go tubes?
« Reply #432 on: Jun 11, 2016 at 04:42 PM »
Nasa Zhuhai, China ako Sir kaya medyo mahirap sa akin siguro sumama sa inyo sa pagbili. Dito sa taobao o sa may Huaqiang Bei kami namimili ng mga gamit pang audio electronics. Marami rami na rin mga nagbebenta ng tube amplifier tsaka madali rin bumili ng mga tubo lalo sa Huaqiang Bei.

Bili na lang ako sa taobao o Huaqiang Bei tapos patulong sa pag mod o pag intindi para kahit paano matutunan ko rin ang tubo.

Nakakaenganyo iyung tubo sa may pulang PCB. Ganda siguro tumunog ng set-up niyo.
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Re: What's the biggest reason why you won't go tubes?
« Reply #433 on: Jun 13, 2016 at 09:14 AM »
Nasa Zhuhai, China ako Sir kaya medyo mahirap sa akin siguro sumama sa inyo sa pagbili. Dito sa taobao o sa may Huaqiang Bei kami namimili ng mga gamit pang audio electronics. Marami rami na rin mga nagbebenta ng tube amplifier tsaka madali rin bumili ng mga tubo lalo sa Huaqiang Bei.

Bili na lang ako sa taobao o Huaqiang Bei tapos patulong sa pag mod o pag intindi para kahit paano matutunan ko rin ang tubo.

Nakakaenganyo iyung tubo sa may pulang PCB. Ganda siguro tumunog ng set-up niyo.

Hi -  good to know you have leverage to find electronics stuff in one of biggest electronics market in Asia,  I hope its genuine.

Hey!  Are you one of the guys in Flextronics zhuhai?  Nice place,  malapit kayo sa "gong bei"  dami daw nga long legs  doon and russian stuff   :) :) :)

On topic,
Here is what it looks like --- the Tube acquired by my friend for his Tube adventure

  Left :  Tube Amplifier
  Right : Tube Pre-amplifier



With lights :





The pre-amplifier come with 4 inputs and volume control.
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Re: What's the biggest reason why you won't go tubes?
« Reply #434 on: Jun 13, 2016 at 09:29 AM »
This is not a standard set-up, just hook for a test



Player & gadgets beside the tube amp

     Top :  FX audio Bluetooth interface (BT core 4.0)
     Mid  :  Fx audio DA
     bottom :  TEAC player





oh yeah!  My friends ask me to "source"  a

   1. tube preamplifier with multi input
   2. tube amplifier

and got lucky to find one.......    do you want it too?  If yes,  check with Rochie

Or, someone like it,  let's see a group buy  (window of oppurtunity is 1 week June 13 to June 17,   before shipment to Manila).

Better check with Rochie for an audition in his home studio  :)


There Tube Amp is assembled ex-factory, but they said, it can be DIY,  with components like this



Unfortunately,  di masyado magaling ang nga insik sa factory na iyon sa doumentation, at hindi detail and assembly procedure.   But, anyone who want challenge - this is an adventure.
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Re: What's the biggest reason why you won't go tubes?
« Reply #435 on: Jun 13, 2016 at 12:57 PM »

  Left :  Tube Amplifier
  Right : Tube Pre-amplifier



With lights :





The pre-amplifier come with 4 inputs and volume control.

looks like Silicon Ray's kits....i saw a local shop Daddy's Audio selling the preamp for about 22k..
the preamp which uses the 6au6 and the 6V6 tubes are triode wired clone of the Marantz 7 topology...
easily the most cloned preamp from china, the Marantz 7 has a very big following....
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Re: What's the biggest reason why you won't go tubes?
« Reply #436 on: Jun 13, 2016 at 01:11 PM »
Hindi po ako sa Flextronics, Zhuhai. Sa ERP (Energy Recovery Products) ako nagtatrabaho. Mga 20km ang Flextronics galing dito. Marami akong katrabaho galing Flextronics.

Paano niyo po nalaman ang Gongbei? Palagay ko madalas kayo sa may Bar Street tsaka sa ... hehehe

Tanaw ko Gongbei at Macau dito sa apartment. Mga 15 minutong lakaran ang Gongbei. Dami ako nakikitang Pinay pumapasyal sa Gongbei galing Macau.
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Re: What's the biggest reason why you won't go tubes?
« Reply #437 on: Jun 14, 2016 at 11:12 AM »
looks like Silicon Ray's kits....i saw a local shop Daddy's Audio selling the preamp for about 22k..
the preamp which uses the 6au6 and the 6V6 tubes are triode wired clone of the Marantz 7 topology...
easily the most cloned preamp from china, the Marantz 7 has a very big following....


we're trying to get a kit or an assembled one so that those who are hesitant to go tube can try it w/o selling their kidney :D :D :D :D. looks like a good project too to learn about tubes.

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Re: What's the biggest reason why you won't go tubes?
« Reply #438 on: Jun 14, 2016 at 11:52 AM »
we're trying to get a kit or an assembled one so that those who are hesitant to go tube can try it w/o selling their kidney :D :D :D :D. looks like a good project too to learn about tubes.

Hey, I'm interested in a kidney, blood type O. :D

sama ako isang preamp... Let's make a new thread na rin if its okay with you guys

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Re: What's the biggest reason why you won't go tubes?
« Reply #439 on: Jun 14, 2016 at 12:03 PM »
we're trying to get a kit or an assembled one so that those who are hesitant to go tube can try it w/o selling their kidney :D :D :D :D. looks like a good project too to learn about tubes.


Hey, I'm interested in a kidney, blood type O. :D

sama ako isang preamp... Let's make a new thread na rin if its okay with you guys

sige sali ako, technical support.....
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Re: What's the biggest reason why you won't go tubes?
« Reply #440 on: Jun 14, 2016 at 02:02 PM »
ok let's make a new thread once we finalized our order,para doon tayo mag discuss re:building and troubleshooting.

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Re: What's the biggest reason why you won't go tubes?
« Reply #441 on: Jun 14, 2016 at 02:29 PM »
@rochie, I have boards of Pre-amps and Power AMPS and tube buffers of you are interested. They come with schematics. It was a project that I did not have time to implement.
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Re: What's the biggest reason why you won't go tubes?
« Reply #442 on: Jun 19, 2016 at 03:34 AM »
Quote from: =topic=3912.msg2405254#msg2405254 date=1465633202
Or, someone like it,  let's see a group buy  (window of oppurtunity is 1 week June 13 to June 17,   before shipment to Manila).

Better check with Rochie for an audition in his home studio  :)

Time is up !!!!

we're trying to get a kit or an assembled one so that those who are hesitant to go tube can try it w/o selling their kidney :D :D :D :D. looks like a good project too to learn about tubes.

Thanks Rochie ------  I placed the order for those interested guys, cheers!!!! please detox more for a healthier  kidney  :D :D

Atleast, iyong nga guys na mag de de-tubo soon --- na break na nila ang "biggest reason why they won't go into tubes"   mainly driven by high "cost"
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@rascal

Paano niyo po nalaman ang Gongbei? Palagay ko madalas kayo sa may Bar Street tsaka sa ... hehehe

Dami ako nakikitang Pinay pumapasyal sa Gongbei galing Macau.

may nga authentic "Russian tubes" kasi diyan
diyan ako namamalengke dati   ;D ;D ;D   pinay na ba namamasyal diyan looking for "tube"


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Let's keep this thread rolling to get to know the biggest Hinder of not having a tube,  and the latest countermeasures to have a Tube in your collection of Audio stuff,

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Re: What's the biggest reason why you won't go tubes?
« Reply #443 on: Jun 19, 2016 at 05:50 PM »
I like the turn this thread took...

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Re: What's the biggest reason why you won't go tubes?
« Reply #444 on: Jun 19, 2016 at 06:06 PM »
I like the turn this thread took...

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At least, iyong nga guys na mag de de-tubo soon --- na break na nila ang "biggest reason why they won't go into tubes"   mainly driven by high "cost"......

 

yes, there is indeed a way to go tubes at a low price.......
tv tubes are all around us, very cheap and plentiful,
not hyped and no myths build around them....


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may nga authentic "Russian tubes" kasi diyan
diyan ako namamalengke dati   ;D ;D ;D   pinay na ba namamasyal diyan looking for "tube"

what is wrong with out "local" tubes? , walk along the sidewalks of avenida and you can pick up a lot of those... >:D
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Re: What's the biggest reason why you won't go tubes?
« Reply #445 on: Jun 19, 2016 at 07:09 PM »

@rascal
may nga authentic "Russian tubes" kasi diyan
diyan ako namamalengke dati   ;D ;D ;D   pinay na ba namamasyal diyan looking for "tube"
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... kung magagawi kayo dito sa Zhuhai puwede kayong pumasyal sa Jida Electronic City. Hindi kasing laki ng Huaqiang Bei pero puwede na rin. Kumpleto sa iba't ibang pyesa, tubo, kaha, PCB (puwede kayo pagawa kahit double sided), test instruments ...

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Re: What's the biggest reason why you won't go tubes?
« Reply #446 on: Jun 20, 2016 at 11:56 AM »
Jida Electronic Trade City, Zhuhai


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Re: What's the biggest reason why you won't go tubes?
« Reply #447 on: Jun 24, 2016 at 11:22 AM »
What is wrong with out "local" tubes? , walk along the sidewalks of avenida and you can pick up a lot of those... >:D

Sir, nothing wrong 

was joking with rascal on......   ;D ;D ;D

may nga authentic "Russian tubes" kasi diyan
diyan ako namamalengke dati   ;D ;D ;D   pinay na ba namamasyal diyan looking for "tube"

rascal101  know much 'gongbei, 
nga naglalakad na "russian tube", mahahaba hita with super tiny skirt


Good news guys...............!!!!!    I received all the DIY Kit preamplifier and amplifier Tube for this "quick group buy".   3 weeks and will be in  Manila,  Thanks Rochie

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Re: What's the biggest reason why you won't go tubes?
« Reply #448 on: Jun 24, 2016 at 11:56 AM »
... kung magagawi kayo dito sa Zhuhai puwede kayong pumasyal sa Jida Electronic City. Hindi kasing laki ng Huaqiang Bei pero puwede na rin. Kumpleto sa iba't ibang pyesa, tubo, kaha, PCB (puwede kayo pagawa kahit double sided), test instruments ...

https://www.google.com/search?q=huang+qiang+bei&espv=2&biw=1025&bih=543&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiC4tqj37_NAhWDpJQKHTPiAGgQ_AUICCgD

i like in  gongbei, for sure!

Hua Qiang Bei Electronics store at the heart of Shenzhen probably the biggest Electronic store in the world located in one place.   I used to have my personal office there   ;D ;D ;D.  you may not know but I provide manufacturing solution to several companies "before" ---- well still supplying to SS R&D, and also for Diy'ers specially in the field of Audio components/speakers/etc, anything about audio,  in elab.ph,  we have several group buy for years .    I help as well University students needs for PCB, components, etc..   Helping others while I have capability is a nice thing to do!

with the advent of online store (aliexpress,  made-in-china, etc..)  i need to move on to my favorite City of Pines in Baguio City, and keep traveling from time to time.

How I wish, we have a replica of HuaQiang Bei here in Phils beter than Raon, providing leverage on hardware, equipment, Test Instrument and  services (prototyping , logistics, etc) which will drive the electronics industry to "boom",  followed and driven by software... Most of the complain  is that --- we have enough and good idea,  but how to  turn that idea into reality is a question,  if there is no hardware.

a flash back.....!   
we still have good guys out there in China  who can help us for what we need,   ;D ;D ;D, so let's enjoy the hobby ............. and break the barrier  "biggest reason why you won't go tubes?"
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Re: What's the biggest reason why you won't go tubes?
« Reply #449 on: Jun 29, 2016 at 08:31 PM »
Quote from:  link=topic=3912.msg2409817#msg2409817 date=1466738573

Good news guys...............!!!!!    I received all the DIY Kit preamplifier and amplifier Tube for this "quick group buy".   3 weeks and will be in  Manila,  Thanks Rochie


Let's see

Tube Pre-amplifier







Tubes are hidden inside the solid cylinder tube - protect from damage





The final appearance should b like this :




But.... since this is a diy,  you can do power coating on the aluminum case with your favorite color,  black, blue, red or yellow, as you wish!!!



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