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Re: Tono Violin vs. Musika Pre-amp??
« Reply #60 on: May 04, 2006 at 12:02 PM »
jojod, different tube yan. kagabi lang yan, muntik pang masira  ;D ginamitan ko ng loadline calculation yan hah! dahil wala yang tube na yan sa TubeCAD   ;D ;D ;D

constant current source, constant current bias = marketing ek ek to confuse the newbies :P



hi,

ok so it's a new tube project all along.

i thought there was something electronically new in that description. i got confused... so that officially qualifies me as a newbie.  ;D


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Re: Tono Violin vs. Musika Pre-amp??
« Reply #61 on: May 04, 2006 at 01:26 PM »
he he he, well technicall you are NOT a newbie :D

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Re: Tono Violin vs. Musika Pre-amp??
« Reply #62 on: May 04, 2006 at 02:40 PM »
bilis gumawa ah! ;D

rascal, meron akong ginawa na isang preamp noon pa for myself na naging basis ng isa pang preamp for Tono. It's the Tono Piano na di pa nilalabas, pero dinala ko na yan nung last Hi-Fi show 2005. Yan yung isang tambak na iteration at listening test ang nangyari, kasi di nila gusto yung tunog nung una, ha ha ha!

Yung preamp na natapos ko kagabi ay iba din, at hindi yan considered as Tono product.

Meron din akong Foreplay na nasa hiraman, at 12B4 na nasa hiraman din. Kaya ako gumawa ng bago dahil pag uwi ko ng bahay nung Martes eh di ako makapatugtog at ala pala akong preamp :D

Yung Violin 2, naka MOSFET regulation, series pass. Upgrade lang yan.

nangako nga pala ako ng picture for andy...



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Re: Tono Violin vs. Musika Pre-amp??
« Reply #63 on: May 05, 2006 at 08:50 AM »
andy, that is my preamp prototyping rig. with it, i can prototype any 9-pin tube with filament from 6.3volts to 40volts. he he.

for the amp, meron din akong prototyping rig. from octal, to 4-pin, 5-pin power tube, 9-pin, 8-pin driver tube, single ended or push pull topology.

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Re: Tono Violin vs. Musika Pre-amp??
« Reply #64 on: May 05, 2006 at 12:15 PM »
dapat pala mabutas na din yung nde ko nagagamit na aluminum sheet at makapaggawa na din power tranny para sa prototype! ;D


andy, that is my preamp prototyping rig. with it, i can prototype any 9-pin tube with filament from 6.3volts to 40volts. he he.

for the amp, meron din akong prototyping rig. from octal, to 4-pin, 5-pin power tube, 9-pin, 8-pin driver tube, single ended or push pull topology.

:D

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Re: Tono Violin vs. Musika Pre-amp??
« Reply #65 on: May 06, 2006 at 03:12 PM »
mark, lahat halos ng commercial products talagang pinaghusayan ang power supply. if you look at conrad johnson's PV10A for example, matindi ang power supply but the circuit is the common grounded cathode->cathode follower.

meron mga tao, gusto tube rectifier, pag may diode ayaw bilhin. isa pang reason, minsan gusto mag tube roll sa rectifier.

yung tube regulation, kailangan ng extrang mga tubo for that, which means additional filament load, additional heat, additional sockets, atbp. samantalang kung passive regulation, choke and or resistor + capacitor, ayos ka na. of course may limitation with this.

kung solid state regulation, syempre may additional parts din, yun nga lang mas maliit sya, less heat, no additional transformer winding, atbp.

kanya kanya yan eh. sabi nga ni tony, pareho lang yan (tube vs. solidstate regulation)

re: listening session, fine with me. alternatively, you can drop by the house if you want to listen to the rest of my gears, dito lang ako sa makati.

Thanks!

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Re: Tono Violin & Musika Preamp reviews
« Reply #66 on: Jul 26, 2006 at 07:02 AM »
suggest ko lang baka may mga user reviews &/or listeners impressions instead of comparing (pagsabungin) these two fine pinoy preamps. mahirap yung laging nagpapagalingan walang kahinatnan yan kundi sa huli magsisiraan lang, pinoy pah! pls post na rin partnered amps used para may idea what amps matches well. para lang magka-idea publiko ng signature sound nila at kung tumama sa lotto :)

pangarap time lang p0h, libre naman....thanks ;D
« Last Edit: Jul 28, 2006 at 05:05 AM by oweidah »

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Re: Tono Violin vs. Musika Pre-amp??
« Reply #67 on: Jul 29, 2008 at 12:39 PM »
My apologies for reviving a 2yr old thread, but was hoping to get some feedback since the last post.

Anyone?

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Re: Tono Violin vs. Musika Pre-amp??
« Reply #68 on: Jul 29, 2008 at 02:01 PM »
I think it's a draw, or maybe I just could not hear the difference since it's not a home audition  ;D
I have heard both of this using the same power amp and speakers and source when I brought my Tono Violin to Mang Rod's place for the fix of the humming problem I got. I can say that both preamps are very musical, my Tono Violin however is using an upgraded 5692 CBS brown base + RCA tube rectifier + mundorf gold caps while the Musika preamp is using stock tubes. The musika is using more tubes than the tono and it has a fono stage so the price is a little higher.
IMO, you cannot go wrong with either of the two.
« Last Edit: Jul 29, 2008 at 02:10 PM by threadlock »
With too many options you could end up not choosing one

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Re: Tono Violin vs. Musika Pre-amp??
« Reply #69 on: Jul 30, 2008 at 12:16 AM »
I think it's a draw, or maybe I just could not hear the difference since it's not a home audition  ;D
I have heard both of this using the same power amp and speakers and source when I brought my Tono Violin to Mang Rod's place for the fix of the humming problem I got. I can say that both preamps are very musical, my Tono Violin however is using an upgraded 5692 CBS brown base + RCA tube rectifier + mundorf gold caps while the Musika preamp is using stock tubes. The musika is using more tubes than the tono and it has a fono stage so the price is a little higher.
IMO, you cannot go wrong with either of the two.


Thanks for sharing bro - appreciate it! ;D

Anybody else?



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Re: Tono Violin vs. Musika Pre-amp??
« Reply #70 on: Jul 30, 2008 at 03:35 PM »

Have also experienced both, using same system.. I agree with sir Threadlock, you can't go wrong between these two...  but for me i would say that I like much better  the musika wherein it can give you the full details and musicality.... but then, still its up to you which do you prefer...

 

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Re: Tono Violin vs. Musika Pre-amp??
« Reply #71 on: Jul 30, 2008 at 04:01 PM »
Magkaiba Tubes = Magkaiba Character

BUT both are great pre-amps!
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Re: Tono Violin vs. Musika Pre-amp??
« Reply #72 on: Aug 01, 2008 at 09:14 AM »
Synergy!

Depends on the rest of your system how the two preamps will perform. Also depends on your listening preference. Nobody can say which one is better.

HTH.
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Re: Tono Violin vs. Musika Pre-amp??
« Reply #73 on: Aug 01, 2008 at 12:01 PM »
I think it's a draw, or maybe I just could not hear the difference since it's not a home audition  ;D
I have heard both of this using the same power amp and speakers and source when I brought my Tono Violin to Mang Rod's place for the fix of the humming problem I got. I can say that both preamps are very musical, my Tono Violin however is using an upgraded 5692 CBS brown base + RCA tube rectifier + mundorf gold caps while the Musika preamp is using stock tubes. The musika is using more tubes than the tono and it has a fono stage so the price is a little higher.
IMO, you cannot go wrong with either of the two.


Compared to AMX and JJ LAB preamps ?

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Re: Tono Violin vs. Musika Pre-amp??
« Reply #74 on: Aug 01, 2008 at 04:00 PM »
Compared to AMX and JJ LAB preamps ?

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that's a very good question.  ;D

or should we start a new topic: "Pinoy Tube DIYers Comparison"

sorry, medyo OT ata, :)

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Re: Tono Violin vs. Musika Pre-amp??
« Reply #75 on: Aug 03, 2008 at 03:26 PM »
JJ Labs or JD Labs??
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Re: Tono Violin vs. Musika Pre-amp??
« Reply #76 on: Aug 03, 2008 at 11:27 PM »
pakinggan nyo nalang, i have a tono violin 6sn7 preamp here for you audition, just tell me you are welcome.... ;)


....did i say its for sale? ;D

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Re: Tono Violin vs. Musika Pre-amp??
« Reply #77 on: Aug 04, 2008 at 01:25 PM »
marami factors to consider. but matching with your existing system is important. pwedeng maganda sa system mo ung pre-amp na mapipili mo pero sa ibang system di match. mas ok if you can try the pre-amp of your choice in your system.

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Re: Tono Violin vs. Musika Pre-amp??
« Reply #78 on: Aug 08, 2008 at 11:24 AM »
that's a very good question.  ;D

or should we start a new topic: "Pinoy Tube DIYers Comparison"

sorry, medyo OT ata, :)

Maganda yang bro. Kung pwede nga lang sana magkaroon ng Tube show din for Pinoy DIYers only para MAPAKITA ANG GALING NG PINOY eh. Hehehe.

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Re: Tono Violin vs. Musika Pre-amp??
« Reply #79 on: Aug 08, 2008 at 12:38 PM »
Maganda yang bro. Kung pwede nga lang sana magkaroon ng Tube show din for Pinoy DIYers only para MAPAKITA ANG GALING NG PINOY eh. Hehehe.

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Actually, the Hifi show that started today in Alabang - has a room for DIY'ers to showcase their wares ;)

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Re: Tono Violin vs. Musika Pre-amp??
« Reply #80 on: Aug 08, 2008 at 12:45 PM »
Synergy!

Depends on the rest of your system how the two preamps will perform. Also depends on your listening preference. Nobody can say which one is better.

HTH.

What if a DIY customizer only does preamps per order - so wala syang exact preamp for the kind of poweramp that you have.
Would it help if the DIY'er looks at the innards of your poweramp along with all the tech manuals & schematics of that amp to properly design a preamp that would match your amp?




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Re: Tono Violin vs. Musika Pre-amp??
« Reply #81 on: Aug 08, 2008 at 11:44 PM »
What if a DIY customizer only does preamps per order - so wala syang exact preamp for the kind of poweramp that you have.
Would it help if the DIY'er looks at the innards of your poweramp along with all the tech manuals & schematics of that amp to properly design a preamp that would match your amp?



Just looking at the manual tech specs (even without looking at the innards and the schematics), a DIYer who understand amp specs can properly design a matching pre-amp
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Re: Tono Violin vs. Musika Pre-amp??
« Reply #82 on: Aug 09, 2008 at 01:01 AM »
Just looking at the manual tech specs (even without looking at the innards and the schematics), a DIYer who understand amp specs can properly design a matching pre-amp

Thanks - that would probably be my route........if not for that long delay on my poweramp hayyyyy :P

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Re: Tono Violin vs. Musika Pre-amp??
« Reply #83 on: Aug 09, 2008 at 02:57 PM »
If your getting the rotel amp with icepower modules you have to know the input impredance of your amp so that the preamp can drive them properly.

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Re: Tono Violin vs. Musika Pre-amp??
« Reply #84 on: Aug 09, 2008 at 03:06 PM »
If your getting the rotel amp with icepower modules you have to know the input impredance of your amp so that the preamp can drive them properly.

Ganda nga sana......but I just got an old Rotel poweramp.

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Re: Tono Violin vs. Musika Pre-amp??
« Reply #85 on: Aug 10, 2012 at 12:35 PM »
Reviving a thread that is exactly 4 years ago ;D

may production pa ba ng mga preamps na 'to ngayon, tono and musika? kung meron, may mga improvements ba na ginawa after 4 years? How much na ang prices ngayon ng mga pre-amps na 'to? wala lang, nangangati lang po ;D ;D ;D

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Re: Tono Violin vs. Musika Pre-amp??
« Reply #86 on: Aug 12, 2012 at 06:39 PM »
ohs! just read this thread i just acquired a pre owned musica....and i can attest it that it sounded great (for me) compared to what i owned  prior to it - cayin sc2 and counterpoint forgot the model...

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Re: Tono Violin vs. Musika Pre-amp??
« Reply #87 on: Aug 12, 2012 at 10:48 PM »
ohs! just read this thread i just acquired a pre owned musica....and i can attest it that it sounded great (for me) compared to what i owned  prior to it - cayin sc2 and counterpoint forgot the model...



Wow, good for you and your newly acquired rotel mono-mono power amp bro ;-)
Can you pm me how much you acquired that Musika? Sana may makita din ako.. Thanks..
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Re: Tono Violin vs. Musika Pre-amp??
« Reply #88 on: Aug 13, 2012 at 07:35 AM »
my friend has a musika pre amp. i'll post the picture kung musika talaga. naka tambak lang ..

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Re: Tono Violin vs. Musika Pre-amp??
« Reply #89 on: Aug 13, 2012 at 08:02 AM »
my friend has a musika pre amp. i'll post the picture kung musika talaga. naka tambak lang ..
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