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OLED vs. LCD
« on: Jan 03, 2008 at 03:19 PM »
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OLED TV ARRIVES!

Sony has announced the first OLED TV shipping in the U.S. The XEL1 OLED TV will be available in January of 2008. OLED TVs have been available in Japan for several months and there is much excitement surrounding the technology. OLED (organic light emitting diode) technology allows for more colors, greater black levels, a thinner and lighter screen, and at lower power consumption than current LCD TVs or Plasma TVs. We’ve been anticipating the first OLED to arrive in the U.S. and will be reviewing the unit as soon as possible. This first OLED television available will be an 11” diagonal model.

We'll be adding more OLED TV information as we get it but for now read our OLED vs LCD comparison below.
OLED TV vs. LCD TV

Reviewer: Robert Wiley

It’s always interesting and fun to compare visual display technologies. People get so excited and heated about the topic. Eventually most enthusiasts end up putting their hard earned dollars on one side of battle, thus fueling the enduring debate. OLED (organic light emitting diode) is the newest technology in the lively TV/display market and my opinion is that it will be a viable alternative to LCD (liquid crystal display) TVs in the future. So which is better, LCD or OLED TV?

Despite their similarities, the two technologies are very different in the way they deliver the image to the viewer.

OLED TV color information is produced using organic carbon-based compounds, which emit red, green and blue lights in response to electric current. OLED differs most from LCD in that there is no backlight and no “twisting” crystals. There is no additional light source needed to energize the organic color compounds, therefore they use considerably less power and can be manufactured with an extremely thin profile. OLED TV panels come with either two or three layers of the organic compounds which are located in one super thin layer of the “glass”. The panel is supported by a hard plexiglass material which also protects the sensitive inner materials. Remember CRT (cathode ray tube) TVs? OLED displays use a cathode layer to introduce electrons to the first layer of organic molecules. Whether spread across a flat-panel screen or placed in the heart of a projector, all LCD displays come from the same technological background. A matrix of thin-film transistors (TFTs) supplies voltage to liquid-crystal-filled cells sandwiched between two sheets of glass. When hit with an electrical charge, the crystals untwist to an exact degree to filter white light generated by a lamp behind the screen (for flat-panel TVs) or one projecting through a small LCD chip (for projection TVs). LCD TVs reproduce colors through a process of subtraction: They block out particular color wavelengths from the spectrum of white light until they're left with just the right color. And, it's the intensity of light permitted to pass through this liquid-crystal matrix that enables LCD televisions to display images chock-full of colors-or gradations of them.
OLED vs. LCD PICTURE Comparison
CONTRAST / BLACK LEVELS

OLED televisions excel in black levels and contrast, far exceeding LCD. The stated contrast ratio for the new Sony OLED TV is 1,000,000:1 compared with the highest stated contrast for an LCD of 10,000:1. While both of these contrast figures are unrealistic for actual calibrated TV viewing, they are an indicator of just how superior OLED is in this category. Since there is no backlighting required for OLED TVs, it is easy to obtain deep black levels by limiting conductivity to the emissive organic compounds. This allows for deep rich black levels. Just as plasma technology the OLED display will use less power as less light is needed. White and bright colors will require the most power, thus to produce bright whites more current will flow through to the emissive organic compounds. LCD (liquid crystal diode) displays, by contrast, utilize electric charges to twist and untwist liquid crystals, which causes them to block light and, hence, emit blacks. The higher the voltage passing through the liquid crystals in a given pixel, the more fully those crystals untwist and effectively block light - all of which makes these pixels darker. As opposed to plasma, LCD TVs use the most power when displaying a very dark or black image. This is a difficult process, and despite recent improvements in LCD black levels, only the best LCD televisions (like those produced by Sharp and Sony) have managed to topple the 1000:1 contrast ratio barrier. Recent improvements have brought LCD displays up to the level of plasma. The one continual drawback here for LCD is off axis viewing, when black levels consistently drop.

ADVANTAGE: OLED TV is clearly superior in this category. LCD TV manufacturers have made great improvements in black levels and in many cases have managed to match the contrast ratio of plasma displays. However, often even when black levels seem excellent on LCDs the dark matter detail suffers. We do not anticipate this problem with OLED, but it still remains to be seen.

 
COLOR ACCURACY

In OLED displays, each pixel contains red, green, and blue elements, which work in conjunction to create the millions of colors. Insofar as each pixel contains all the elements needed to produce every color in the spectrum, color information is more accurately reproduced with OLED technology than it is with LCD. We anticipate that the chromaticity coordinates will be more accurate with OLED than with LCD. From the OLED TVs that we have seen, color information is rich, deep and more realistic than LCD TV.

LCD TVs reproduce colors by manipulating light waves and subtracting colors from white light. This is an inherently difficult template for maintaining color accuracy and vibrancy - though most LCD displays manage quite well. While color information benefits from the higher-than-average number of pixels per square inch found in LCD televisions, LCDs are simply not as impressive in color realism and tracking due to the difficult and somewhat manufactured process that they undergo to create color information.

ADVANTAGE: OLED TV. Color will be richer and more realistic, generated by organic phosphors using active matrix technology.
 
VIEWING ANGLES

OLED TV screens have near perfect viewing angle. OLEDs create light (are emissive) rather than block light. Every pixel is lit independently and that light will be seen from off axis viewing angles easily and accurately, much the same as plasma. As a result, expect perfect viewing angles of 170 degrees.

LCD TV manufacturers have done much to improve their displays' viewing angles, but this is an area of constant struggle. LCD TVs must block light to create darker images, thus contrast suffers at angles significantly. The substrate material on newer-generation LCD models by Sharp and Sony has helped to expand those units' viewing angles.

ADVANTAGE: OLED screens have no problems in this area
 
FUNCTIONAL CONSIDERATIONS
COMPUTER USE

Sony is introducing the first OLED screens to be sold in the U.S. This display is 11” and will be sold primarily as a computer monitor, though it does have HDMI input. Resolution on this first Sony OLED TV XEL1 is 1024 X 600. Computer graphics work demands more resolution and as a result this may hurt sales of this first offering. Alternatively, Samsung claims to make a 17” AMOLED that is a good bit thicker but contains 1600 X 1200 (UXGA resolution). This resolution puts OLED squarely in LCDs space for computer use. LCD monitors display images from computer or VGA sources extremely well, with full color detail, no flicker, and no screen burn-in. Moreover, the number of pixels per square inch on an LCD display is typically higher than other technologies, so LCD monitors are especially good at displaying large amounts of data – graphics applications for example and with exceptional clarity and precision. For the same reasons, LCD TVs is also a slightly better template for video gaming. Since LCDs functioning as computer screens are being viewed from straight on, viewing angle and contrast problems are minimized.

ADVANTAGE: LCD at this point.
 
FAST-MOVING VIDEO PLAYBACK

OLED TV does not suffer from motion lag or motion blur as does LCD displays. In fact, OLED technology has the fastest response rate time of any type of display due to utilizing TFT technology with the organic light emitting diodes.

While the "response time" of LCD TVs has markedly improved in the last couple of years, they still suffer from a slight "trailer" effect, where the individual pixels are just slightly out of step with the image on the screen. This can also be described as dithering noise, or a jumpiness in the picture image when a scene is filmed with a moving camera. During fast moving sports scenes, the most discerning eyes can detect this slight motion response lag.

ADVANTAGE: OLED TV is fantastic in this area.
 
HIGH ALTITUDE

Altitude has no impact on either OLED or LCD technology displays.
 
LONGEVITY

LCD television manufacturers claim that their displays last, on average, 50,000 to 65,000 hours. In fact, an LCD TV will last as long as its backlight does - and those bulbs can sometimes be replaced! Since this is nothing more than light passing through a prismatic substrate, there is essentially nothing to wear out in an LCD monitor except the bulb and some of the component boards. However, one nasty little known fact about LCD technology is that as the backlight ages it can change colors slightly (think of florescent office lighting). When this occurs the white balance of the entire LCD TV will be thrown off and the user will need to re-calibrate, or worse, try to replace the backlighting or ditch the unit altogether. Some of the early purchasers of larger LCD screens will be learning this tidbit in a couple of years. I expect that LCD televisions will actually give a user around 30k to 40k hours before the backlighting begins to go. One thing that I've found in this industry, it is not easy to find out whether the backlighting on LCDs can be replaced. Manufacturers are either hesitant to discuss the topic, or they just don't know.

OLED televisions on the other hand utilize slight electric currents to excite a combination of of organic phosphorescence encased in a plastic substrate. OLED needs very little power to operate so in theory should last for a very long time as the parts are not taxed significantly. Here’s the catch, the blue organic phosphor LED has a short life (a guess is 7,000 hours). The red and green material may not last much longer. Those first OLED displays will be an experiment with regard to longevity.

ADVANTAGE: LCD a clear winner at this point.
 
SCREEN BURN IN

Since OLED TV is made from organic LED material there may be burn in issues, though we do not anticipate them being as bad as the first plasma displays.

LCD displays do not have burn in issues. The backlight passes through “twisting” crystals which are a hard material not subject to etching.

ADVANTAGE: LCD though we will see how OLED performs in this area. 
OTHER CONSIDERATIONS
PRODUCTION SIZE AND COST

All television measurements are stated in inches and are for diagonal measurement of the screen from corner to corner - not including framing.

The new Sony OLED XEL1 television is 11” and $2499. One of the big questions surrounding OLED TVs is whether or not Sony and Samsung can produce them in quantity, at the larger sizes, and price competitive. Given the strength of LCD, this will be a challenge. Creating a blue LED that lives a long life may be one of the keys. As a flexible technology, requiring plastics rather than glass as plasma does, this may be the most adaptive display technology we have seen. Prices will only come down as production rises.

In the past the substrate material for LCD TVs was difficult to produce in large sizes without pixel defects owing to faulty transistors. These problems have been overcome and this technology is easier to produce in quantity and in volume. There are no soft parts to incorporate such as living phosphors. LCDs get larger and prices continue to decline. An 15” LCD screen with a resolution of 1024 X768 costs approximately $180.

ADVANTAGE: LCD
 
POWER CONSUMPTION

Because LCDs use florescent backlighting to produce images, they require substantially less power to operate than plasmas do. However, OLED TVs require only a fraction of that amount due to the absence of a lighting source. OLED displays are the lowest power consumption displays in the world.

ADVANTAGE: OLED
SIZE

OLED televisions may one day be flexible, cardboard thin and large enough to cover an 9’ X 9’ wall. This is the greatest promise that they offer. Let’s face it, plasma and LCD TVs are already delivering stunning picture quality. The greatest attribute of OLED may be this flexibility, allowing the technology to be used for many new applications. The current Sony XEL1 is only 3MM or an 8th of an inch compared to a couple of inches for a small LCD monitor.

ADVANTAGE: OLED TV

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Re: OLED vs. LCD
« Reply #1 on: Jan 03, 2008 at 08:12 PM »
Samsung will be displaying a 31" OLED TV at the Consumer Electronics Show (CES) 2008, with a lifespan at 35,000 hours. Sony's biggest OLED TV is currently at 27" while their 11" model is reportedly selling at 3,750USD (LG has a 62" 720p Plasma at 2,700USD). OLED has a long ways to go in the price-performance ratio IMO.

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Re: OLED vs. LCD
« Reply #2 on: Jan 05, 2008 at 06:42 PM »
exciting, but i think oled is still in its infancy stage and has a long way to go. for all we know, it might be replaced with another more superior technology.

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Re: OLED vs. LCD
« Reply #3 on: Mar 16, 2017 at 10:38 AM »
I guess its time to revive this thread.

With OLED starting to mature and the likes of other manufacturers following LG (except for samsung).

Samsung has decided to stick it out with LCD and introduced QLED, coming out in 2018.

I myself decided to go bigger screen  and let go of my 6 yr old plasma.

here is a link on how the experts sees the current situation.

http://www.trustedreviews.com/opinions/oled-vs-led-lcd

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Re: OLED vs. LCD
« Reply #4 on: Mar 16, 2017 at 11:57 AM »
OLED would be the way to go assuming money is not an issue...

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Re: OLED vs. LCD
« Reply #5 on: Mar 16, 2017 at 12:16 PM »
OLED would be the way to go assuming money is not an issue...

OLED will always be more expensive than LED, because of the Pixel-by-Pixel light source construction.

And LED picture quality has become very good.  For the layman, price is a major factor in purchasing TV's.
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Re: OLED vs. LCD
« Reply #6 on: Mar 16, 2017 at 12:21 PM »
I believe next year samsung will introduce genuine QLED which does not use edge-backlighting, instead Quantom Dots.

Base on specs, this will have the brightness of an LCD and contrast of an OLED. This is something to look forward to as QD edgelight LCD already has good results (though still not good as OLED)

OLED for now is best in contrast ratio and  colors. But suffers on refresh rate and brightness. This is the reason that store displays  always show dark scenes and slow moving clips. 

Seems we also has a format war even on panels.
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Re: OLED vs. LCD
« Reply #7 on: Mar 16, 2017 at 12:28 PM »
Seems we also has a format war even on panels.

It will be like Android vs. Apple iOS

LED will have about 85% of the market and OLED will have 15%.



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Re: OLED vs. LCD
« Reply #8 on: Mar 16, 2017 at 12:47 PM »
It will be like Android vs. Apple iOS

LED will have about 85% of the market and OLED will have 15%.





LG is not like an apple company which is in for high-end products only.  The had invested big amounts of money on the technology. They plan to make this mainstream by making the cost affordable, and besides other manufacturers are testing the waters on OLED.

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Re: OLED vs. LCD
« Reply #9 on: Mar 16, 2017 at 01:07 PM »
LG is not like an apple company which is in for high-end products only.  The had invested big amounts of money on the technology. They plan to make this mainstream by making the cost affordable, and besides other manufacturers are testing the waters on OLED.

LG makes both LED and OLED.  The vast majority of their TV sales will still be the regular LED.

OLED prices will go down, but so will the LED TVs (think 20t+ for a 50" 4K UHD TV we have today).

Why do you think Samsung opted to concentrate on LED TV's?





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Re: OLED vs. LCD
« Reply #10 on: Mar 16, 2017 at 01:11 PM »
LG makes both LED and OLED.  The vast majority of their TV sales will still be the regular LED.

OLED prices will go down, but so will the LED TVs (think 20t+ for a 50" 4K UHD TV we have today).

Why do you think Samsung opted to concentrate on LED TV's?








I  see it differently. One way another,  one technology will end-up like a plasma. If QLED will be as good (or better) as an OLED, and having a lower price. Will kill the OLED, or can be the other way around.

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Re: OLED vs. LCD
« Reply #11 on: Mar 17, 2017 at 11:11 AM »
Sony's A1 OLED TVs will start at $5000




http://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.php?subaction=showfull&id=1489517236


Sony A1 OLED pricing:
55” 55A1E OLED: $4,999.99
65” 65A1E OLED: $6,499.99
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Re: OLED vs. LCD
« Reply #12 on: Mar 18, 2017 at 06:37 AM »

I  see it differently. One way another,  one technology will end-up like a plasma. If QLED will be as good (or better) as an OLED, and having a lower price. Will kill the OLED, or can be the other way around.

It seems to be an evolution over the previous year's offerings.
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Re: OLED vs. LCD
« Reply #13 on: Mar 18, 2017 at 08:37 AM »
It seems to be an evolution over the previous year's offerings.
http://www.avsforum.com/samsung-q9-65-qled-hdr-lcd-tv-first-look/


Agree sir, there are improvement but are still the same edge lit LCDs. According to this website, the "real" QLED will roll out in  2018. something to look forward to.

What Samsung has not done, is to reengineer display panel stack. There were rumors that Samsung in 2017 would replace color filters in front of the pixels with quantum dots, effectively moving the quantum dots from the back to the front – as near to the viewer as possible. This will not happen with this year’s line-up, according to our information. While Samsung refused to comment on the specific matter, competitors were adamant that this will not happen until 2018 at the earliest. Nanosys’ (Samsung's quantum dot supplier) technical roadmap appears to confirm this. While such a move could significantly improve color reproduction, brightness, and energy efficiency, Samsung obviously felt compelled to change the marketing name to “QLED” before it arrived. The next step after that is to completely remove the LCD panel from the equation but that will take several more years to accomplish.



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Re: OLED vs. LCD
« Reply #14 on: Mar 18, 2017 at 09:24 AM »

Agree sir, there are improvement but are still the same edge lit LCDs. According to this website, the "real" QLED will roll out in  2018. something to look forward to.


QD Vision has been working on QDLED for sometime now. Samsung acquired them and may deploy the tech once it's ready. Samsung is pushing the limits of VA in the meantime.

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Re: OLED vs. LCD
« Reply #15 on: Mar 19, 2017 at 06:43 AM »
OLED is still king!

As it stands currently, OLED TVs trump LED TVs in almost every aspect. Picture quality and motion blur are especially far ahead on OLEDs. Unfortunately, Samsung's QLEDs did not do much to bridge the gap between the two technologies and in some ways even regressed in performance. For most people, our advice remains: if you have budget limitations, LED TVs will have excellent value for money and can be found in a vast array of sizes. If you don't mind paying a premium, OLED TVs will almost always perform best.

http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/by-type/qled-vs-oled-vs-led

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Re: OLED vs. LCD
« Reply #16 on: Mar 22, 2017 at 11:43 AM »
Is this really new? and why only in OLED? 

Kindda cool for me.

For sound, the Sony OLED A1E has a very interesting idea called Acoustic Surface where the display itself transmits the sound through vibrations rather than a discrete set of speakers.

What the Acoustic Surface does differently is that it pushes the sound through the screen rather than the edges of the display – which Sony claims helps sound sync up to the video.



http://www.techradar.com/reviews/sony-bravia-a1e

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Re: OLED vs. LCD
« Reply #17 on: Mar 22, 2017 at 11:47 AM »

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Re: OLED vs. LCD
« Reply #18 on: Mar 22, 2017 at 11:53 AM »


Is this really new? and why only in OLED? 


It is new for TVs, but not a new technology.

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Re: OLED vs. LCD
« Reply #19 on: Jan 03, 2018 at 11:56 PM »
buhayin ang topic. so OLED is winning in terms of PQ, lamang lang ang LCD sa price?

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Re: OLED vs. LCD
« Reply #20 on: Jan 04, 2018 at 12:59 PM »
buhayin ang topic. so OLED is winning in terms of PQ, lamang lang ang LCD sa price?

Overall PQ hands down its OLED...
Like you said, advantage ng LCD is price and also peak brightness...

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Re: OLED vs. LCD
« Reply #21 on: Jan 05, 2018 at 12:27 AM »
Real world comparison:

OLED is gorgeous no doubt but just like plasma that went before it, they are best displayed in dark room settings. However, in bright rooms upper class LED TVs like the Sony X900 can be a very good match for it.

OLED is also prone to image retention...My A1 displayed a stuck image after long hours of gaming and It took awhile before it totally vanished! Close call and because of its price I won’t risk it. Playing my games on a 6103 instead.

Life is full of trade offs and this is one of them...

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Re: OLED vs. LCD
« Reply #22 on: Jan 09, 2018 at 07:13 PM »
Real world comparison:

OLED is gorgeous no doubt but just like plasma that went before it, they are best displayed in dark room settings. However, in bright rooms upper class LED TVs like the Sony X900 can be a very good match for it.

OLED is also prone to image retention...My A1 displayed a stuck image after long hours of gaming and It took awhile before it totally vanished! Close call and because of its price I won’t risk it. Playing my games on a 6103 instead.

Life is full of trade offs and this is one of them...

Thanks for the insight sir Carlo!

so the LCDs demise is not coming anytime soon.

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Re: OLED vs. LCD
« Reply #23 on: Jan 09, 2018 at 09:18 PM »
Thanks for the insight sir Carlo!

so the LCDs demise is not coming anytime soon.

There are a lot of new techs coming out these days but LED is not going away anytime soon. Screens of smaller sizes will still use it. However, since the march of technology is so quick these days...I don’t see any screen format lasting as long as the good old tubes:)
« Last Edit: Jan 09, 2018 at 09:21 PM by Carlo777 »