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Soundbar Speakers
« on: Jan 03, 2008 at 05:45 PM »
Has anyone here tried sound bar speakers for HT? These are the ones that are just like center speakers but can supposedly project front, center & surround sound. Are they any good?

Thanks!  :)

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Re: Soundbar Speakers
« Reply #1 on: Jan 03, 2008 at 06:45 PM »
I have no actual experience, but I hear they only work well on a sweet spot (a specific location where the listener should be for optimal performance).  For other listening locations, it's hit or miss.

I also hear that they work well on some discs, but are not effective on others.

Use it if your space absolutely does not permit multiple speakers. 

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Re: Soundbar Speakers
« Reply #2 on: Jan 03, 2008 at 07:15 PM »
Thanks!  :)

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Re: Soundbar Speakers
« Reply #3 on: Jul 18, 2008 at 12:22 AM »
guys, do you know a store where i can purchase a surround sound bar? i plan to streamline my setup in my room so i'm going with the leaner sound bar.

I understand meron ang Yamaha and Marantz ng ganito with 5.1 and DTS decoding built in. Where can i find one pls? thank you very much!

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Re: Soundbar Speakers
« Reply #4 on: Jul 18, 2008 at 12:36 AM »
guys, do you know a store where i can purchase a surround sound bar? i plan to streamline my setup in my room so i'm going with the leaner sound bar.

I understand meron ang Yamaha and Marantz ng ganito with 5.1 and DTS decoding built in. Where can i find one pls? thank you very much!

If I'm not mistaken, I think I saw one on display at Sights and Sounds Shang.
You might want to call them first though to make sure.
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Re: Soundbar Speakers
« Reply #5 on: Jul 18, 2008 at 08:09 AM »
meron din yung yamaha sa d-style alabang, and i guess listening in style in shang has it too. since same company ito.

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Re: Soundbar Speakers
« Reply #6 on: Jul 18, 2008 at 11:07 AM »
thank you very much guys  :)

mejo mas malapit ako sa Shang. i'll try to visit this weekend. may idea ba kayo how much does this cost and how's the sound quality? thanks

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Re: Soundbar Speakers
« Reply #7 on: Jul 18, 2008 at 11:21 AM »
thank you very much guys  :)

mejo mas malapit ako sa Shang. i'll try to visit this weekend. may idea ba kayo how much does this cost and how's the sound quality? thanks

based on reviews, maganda ang yamaha, i think ang polk audio meron din, sa u.s. site kasi mga 600-1k dollars din yan. palagay ko dito sa atin pwedeng mga 25-40k yan.

if space is an issue, bakit ayaw mo try satellite speakers, it would definitely be way better than any pseudo surround speaker bars out there. at hopefully the same or maybe even cheaper price.

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Re: Soundbar Speakers
« Reply #8 on: Jul 18, 2008 at 12:00 PM »
thanks sir. i actually use satellite speakers now in my room. another reason why i'm considering a sound bar is because i read somewhere that most of them have built in Dolby 5.1, DTS decoder already. I don't have an AVR dito kasi sa room ko so i'm not able to utilize DTS from my PS3 and DVD and no sound output naman ang DTS encoded file from Popcorn Hour. mejo matrabaho naman if lilipat ko pa yung PCH sa main watching room dito sa bahay.  :)

I guess those two are the factors. Space saving and the DTS decoding feature  :)

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Re: Soundbar Speakers
« Reply #9 on: Jul 18, 2008 at 12:29 PM »
sir, this might help,





available sa Sights & Sounds Shangrila
« Last Edit: Jul 18, 2008 at 12:35 PM by otepsy »

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Re: Soundbar Speakers
« Reply #10 on: Jul 18, 2008 at 12:34 PM »
Hi guys! Am new to PinoyDVD but so far its been great :).

Anyways just wanted to tell y'all that soon it'll be easier than ever to get your hands on Polk Audio gear :):

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LSi15 review on onhometheater.com - http://www.onhometheater.com/product/20020215.htm
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LSi9 review on ultimateavmag.com - http://www.guidetohometheater.com/speakersystems/141/index.html
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Re: Soundbar Speakers
« Reply #11 on: Jul 18, 2008 at 03:04 PM »
@otepsy - thank you very much, sir  :)

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Re: Soundbar Speakers
« Reply #12 on: Jul 18, 2008 at 03:59 PM »
sorry for this OT question...will a surround bar produce the same soundstage as the separates? i mean, if you place it in front, will it give you a feeling that the surround sound is coming from behind?

the equipment looks cool. and definitely a space saver too. just want to know how it works. thanks. :)
sa nakinabang at humakot sa ht at audio set-up ko na ipinundar ko MAG-ISA, may balik yan......

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Re: Soundbar Speakers
« Reply #13 on: Jul 18, 2008 at 04:05 PM »
will a surround bar produce the same soundstage as the separates?

According the magazine reviews: no.

But they do a good job of simulating it for those who have space restrictions.

Look for Sound & Vision side by side reviews on 5-6 different brand surround bars.

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Re: Soundbar Speakers
« Reply #14 on: Jul 18, 2008 at 04:19 PM »
thanks sir mat. :)
sa nakinabang at humakot sa ht at audio set-up ko na ipinundar ko MAG-ISA, may balik yan......

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Re: Soundbar Speakers
« Reply #15 on: Jul 18, 2008 at 07:17 PM »
I was able to hear the Atlantic Technology at TW Trinoma, costs around 70+T, sound good for me especially for a small or medium room, but then again, as what sir MAtZ mentioned, the separation is not that detailed,"pero very crystal clear and crisp yung vocals". The first sound bar I've seen was the Yamaha, which has several small drivers, as in "ga-piso yung size pero ang dami"
« Last Edit: Jul 18, 2008 at 07:37 PM by frootloops »

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Re: Soundbar Speakers
« Reply #16 on: Aug 14, 2008 at 08:16 PM »
i just Samsung's version of this sa Attack of the Show, very promising daw, for just 500USD, roughly 20k.
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Re: Soundbar Speakers
« Reply #17 on: Aug 16, 2008 at 07:18 PM »
Q Acoustics

Check out the you tube video in this first page:

http://www.qacoustics.co.uk/

It looks invisible at the bottom of your LCD/Plasma and both sides could be extended further to the left & right leaving the center speaker in the middle. very innovative!  ;D

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Re: Soundbar Speakers
« Reply #18 on: Aug 22, 2008 at 11:47 PM »
Ganda nito kaso ang mahal lang parang yung cost nya is already equal to a very decent 5.1 separates.  ???

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Re: Soundbar Speakers
« Reply #19 on: Aug 26, 2008 at 09:02 AM »
can anyone sum up yung mga options na available locally?

thinking of getting one for my bedroom eh.

thanks

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Re: Soundbar Speakers
« Reply #20 on: Aug 26, 2008 at 03:06 PM »
i read in a review (fhm magazine) it reviewed the yamaha, denon and another soundbar, the name i can't remember, but the denon won the shoot-out. its published price then was 55k, it was even cheaper than the yamaha. 

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Re: Soundbar Speakers
« Reply #21 on: Sep 02, 2008 at 08:42 AM »
i read in a review (fhm magazine) it reviewed the yamaha, denon and another soundbar, the name i can't remember, but the denon won the shoot-out. its published price then was 55k, it was even cheaper than the yamaha. 

Chief,

can you PM me the FHM month it came out? Was it local?  ???

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Re: Soundbar Speakers
« Reply #22 on: Sep 16, 2008 at 05:37 AM »

meron ang sony very  nice ang feedback sa cnet.com cts100 yata. ( just google sony soundbar)

worth 300 us dollars or 15k lang sa pinas. ganda nito may buit in amplifier na so you do not need any receiver. very nice!!!!


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Re: Soundbar Speakers
« Reply #23 on: Sep 16, 2008 at 06:53 AM »
Chief,

can you PM me the FHM month it came out? Was it local?  ???

sorry sir huddaf, took  a long time to get to you, it was a local issue. forgot the date though, but its in my sis in laws house lang the issue i mean, try to scan through and report back when i get the chance.

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Re: Soundbar Speakers
« Reply #24 on: Sep 16, 2008 at 06:54 AM »
meron ang sony very  nice ang feedback sa cnet.com cts100 yata. ( just google sony soundbar)

worth 300 us dollars or 15k lang sa pinas. ganda nito may buit in amplifier na so you do not need any receiver. very nice!!!!



good price na nga yan, is it offered here in the philippines.

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Re: Soundbar Speakers
« Reply #25 on: Sep 16, 2008 at 07:30 AM »

not sure bro.

suggest you wait na lang.  or ask sony when they plan to launch it.

Sony HT-CT100

The good:
 Superslender soundbar home-theater system eliminates the need for an AV receiver; comes with a potent subwoofer; three HDMI inputs; supereasy setup.

The bad:
 Subwoofer-based connection jacks may require creative placement or cable runs; only supports four AV sources (plus Sony's proprietary DM Port accessories).

The bottom line:
 Sony's HT-CT100 soundbar/subwoofer audio system is a phenomenal value that sounds great with movies and music.

Specifications:
 Product type: Home theater system; Components: AV receiver, Speaker system; DVD type: None; See full specs

Price range: $246.88 - $299.99

CNET editors' review

Reviewed on: 06/05/2008
It's a familiar story in consumer electronics: Start with a luxurious, expensive, and exclusive product category, and within just a few years, you'll see a sea of imitators delivering the same basic item with more features, less money, and--ideally--better performance. Take single-speaker audio. Once the exclusive domain of Yamaha Digital Sound Projectors, the category is exploding, with boutique brands (Zvox, Soundmatters), home-audio stalwarts (Polk Audio, Definitive Technology), and major manufacturers (Samsung, Sony) all throwing their respective hat into the ring. But even in this hotly contested category, the Sony HT-CT100 home-theater system is a standout design. The two-part (speaker plus subwoofer) 3.1-channel system is one of the smallest soundbar speakers we've tested to date, and it boasts better-than-average connectivity highlighted by three HDMI inputs. Best of all, it costs just $300, and--considering that modest price tag--it sounds great. And because the HT-CT100 handles power and surround processing, you don't need to buy an AV receiver--just plug in your components and enjoy some powerful audio with more than a hint of faux surround.

To reiterate, the Sony HT-CT100 is a two-part system: a small soundbar designed to sit under the TV, and a modest-size subwoofer that also houses all of the electronics and connections. The skinny speaker is a mere 2.75 inches high and 2.6 deep. Its 31.5-inch width is also smaller than most soundbars and will make a nice match with TVs with 32-inch screens or larger. The speaker sports a satin-finished black plastic cabinet and perforated (nonremovable) metal grille; it's a no-frills look that won't win any beauty contests, but it's unobtrusive enough. The soundbar has three oval-shaped 1.6- by 2.8-inch drivers (left/center/right). You can wall mount the 4.4-pound speaker with its keyhole slots, so long as you account for the permanently attached 10-foot umbilical cable that connects it to the subwoofer. The cable terminates with a 9-pin serial connector that plugs into the subwoofer--if you need to run it a longer distance, check out our related tip.

The medium-density fiberboard sub feels more substantial than the speaker and its black-matte vinyl finish looks a bit more upscale. It's 19.75 inches high and 14.25 deep, and weighs 22 pounds. A black cloth (nonremovable) grille covers the 6.5-inch woofer mounted on the sub's right side. The front edge of the top panel has power, input, and volume controls; the display on the front baffle offers info about volume level, the selected source, and surround processing. There's a bass port smack dab in the middle of the 6.4-inch-wide front baffle. The subwoofer's built-in power amplifiers deliver 50 watts to each of the speakers' three drivers, and 100 watts to the sub's woofer.

All of the system's connections are found on the subwoofer's back panel. There you'll find three HDMI inputs; four digital-audio-only inputs (three optical, one coaxial); one analog stereo input (red/white RCA jacks); and one Digital Media Port connector. However, not counting the DM Port (it's a proprietary connector that works with only a quartet of proprietary Sony accessories), those inputs are really limited to just four AV sources--three audio or HDMI, and one audio only. In other words, you'd use the optical audio inputs (for instance) in lieu of, not in addition to, the HDMI inputs. Obviously, HDMI is the preferred connection, since it allows you to toggle audio and video at the click of a button on the HT-CT100's remote. (And, with the addition of a sub-$50 HDMI switcher, you could more than double the unit's HDMI capacity.) For non-HDMI sources (anything from a Nintendo Wii to a VCR to a non-high-def cable box), you'll use the TV for video switching, and the HT-CT100 for audio.



The HT-CT100 can toggle among three AV sources (with video, if they're HDMI-enabled), plus any Sony Digital Media Port product you choose to connect.

The unit includes standard Dolby and DTS surround processing modes. For Blu-ray, it can accept uncompressed PCM soundtracks, but it won't decode Dolby Digital Plus, Dolby TrueHD, nor any DTS HD flavors. (The better Blu-ray players, such as Sony's own PS3, decode those soundtracks internally and output PCM anyway, so that's not going to be a big deal for most folks.)

After we had everything hooked up and ready to go, we couldn't get any sound out of the thing. The controls on the sub brought the HT-CT100 to life, but it didn't respond to the remote's commands. We changed the remote's batteries; still no luck, so we thought the remote was defective. Turned out our mistake was pointing the remote toward the subwoofer--the sensor is in the speaker. With that hurdle out of the way setup was easy, and the remote allows for adjustment of the speaker's center channel and subwoofer volume levels. The remote can also control Sony Bravia televisions.

The HT-CT100 strutted its stuff when we fired up the Blu-ray version of ZZ Top's Live From Texas disc. The band's sound filled the CNET listening room, so we could hear the hometown crowd was clearly having a great time, Billy Gibbon's trademark guitar thrash was in fine form, and Frank Beard's drums kicked pretty hard. Clearly, the Sony soundbar's gutsy sound was a force to be reckoned with. Surround ambiance was huge, extending well into the room. And when we stood up and walked around, the surround held up pretty well. That's not true with most single-speaker surround systems; their surround collapses back into the speaker for listeners not seated directly inline with the speaker.

We next popped on the Talladega Nights Blu-ray and pummeled the HT-CT100 with a full dose of pedal-to-the-metal NASCAR horsepower. Between that and the heavy metal score, we expected the HT-CT100 to cry uncle. But no, it sounded awesome! Dynamics and power were on par with some of the better budget priced 5.1-channel home-theater-in-a-box systems, and ahead of some far more expensive soundbar systems. The HT-CT100 didn't hold anything back when the cars smashed into the racetrack's retaining walls.

We did notice one important key to maximizing the surround effect: beyond the overall volume, you can control the subwoofer and center channel levels. The more you crank the center up, the narrower the soundfield became. In other words, keep the center channel level at the baseline "zero" setting or below for the most pronounced surround effects.

CD sound was also far better than average. The acoustic tunes on Cat Power's Jukebox CD were natural and clear, which was all the more impressive when we stopped to remember the speaker doesn't have any tweeters! The HT-CT100's refined sonics with the orchestral score to the movie Birth were again beyond what we've come to expect from soundbar systems. True, the score's big bass drums didn't have their full weight and impact, but the Sony's low bass oomph was respectable. Not quite the equal of much pricier soundbar/sub systems, but not at all bad. Stereo imaging stretched out beyond the edges of the speaker.

In the final analysis, we suspect that the Sony HT-CT100 may not have the gravitas to anchor a primary home theater--don't expect it to deliver the same pronounced surround effects you'll find on the Yamaha Digital Sound Projectors, which use a sophisticated beam system. But those systems cost two, three, or even four times as much. The Sony is certainly well-suited for smaller dens and bedrooms, and it easily trumps rival soundbar/subwoofer models, including the Yamaha YAS-70 and Boston Acoustics TVee Model Two, delivering better sound and more features than both for less money. As such, the HT-CT100 is an easy pick for the best sub-$300 soundbar/subwoofer system we've heard to date.


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Re: Soundbar Speakers
« Reply #27 on: Sep 17, 2008 at 06:50 AM »

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« Reply #28 on: Sep 17, 2008 at 10:39 AM »
@ iiinaslao: Got it from the old Marketplace here in Pinoydvd sometime last year. It cost me P10k, brand new and came from the US.

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« Reply #29 on: Sep 18, 2008 at 06:26 AM »
@ iiinaslao: Got it from the old Marketplace here in Pinoydvd sometime last year. It cost me P10k, brand new and came from the US.

ok thanks. nice price.