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HTPC Front-end Software: The XBMC Thread
« on: Nov 11, 2008 at 11:38 AM »
Might as well start a separate thread for those interested in XBMC

http://xbmc.org/


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Re: HTPC Front-end Software: The XBMC Thread
« Reply #1 on: Nov 11, 2008 at 12:39 PM »
Thanks for creating a separate thread for XBMC. I already got it up and running in my PC. tweaking na lang din at hanap ng suitable skins.

Btw, have tried using the "Set content" feature of XBMC?
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Re: HTPC Front-end Software: The XBMC Thread
« Reply #2 on: Nov 11, 2008 at 01:25 PM »
First question.

Can XBMC handle high bit rate (11MB/sec or higher) 1080p MKV files smoothly?




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Re: HTPC Front-end Software: The XBMC Thread
« Reply #3 on: Nov 11, 2008 at 02:56 PM »
First question.

Can XBMC handle high bit rate (11MB/sec or higher) 1080p MKV files smoothly?


I believe that it should, as long as your CPU has enough horsepower.  Take note that XBMC does not take advantage of GPU acceleration.  It is purely processor dependent.  Which is why the suggested specs for a hassle-free 1080p rig is a 3GHz dual-core processor (Intel Core 2 or Athlon X2).

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Re: HTPC Front-end Software: The XBMC Thread
« Reply #4 on: Nov 12, 2008 at 07:58 AM »
I already have the Power Cinema Installed, however, this seems better, but I find the Power Cinema very reliable especially with DVD discs, can I install this w/o uninsatalling PowerCinema? or will conflict issues arise if both have been installed ?  ???

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Re: HTPC Front-end Software: The XBMC Thread
« Reply #5 on: Nov 12, 2008 at 08:03 AM »
there should not be any conflicts

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Re: HTPC Front-end Software: The XBMC Thread
« Reply #6 on: Nov 12, 2008 at 08:46 AM »
Tried installing this last night.  Initial impressions.

I installed the application while the PC was extremely busy with torrents even though the usual recommendation to close all running applications was given.   The entire installation process was rather straightforward; I was expecting a re-start prompt but there was none.  Went straight to running the program and there was no conflict (yet) with other applications already installed in the PC.

The interface is quite luvly indeed but I felt the menu control to be rather sluggish (but it could be because the torrent was overloading with data transfer in the background).    Amazing thing is, opening of movie files, regardless of size and resolution, is a lot faster compared to  KMP and MPC.

I don't like the lack of slider on the playback which is a common feature in other software players.   The fast play function is fine though.   Since most MKVs have no chapters, if you press the chapter button you end up going back to the movie list.

My desktop is powered by E6600 C2D which is slower than the recommended 3.0Ghz C2D.  However, except for a 15GB 1080p concert that exhibited out-of-sync issues at some scenes, my PC managed to play all other 1080p files I tested pretty OK.   The fast play worked well and the transition back to normal playback speed was smooth and didnt disturb the sync at all.  However, there is a slight stuttering  of 1080p files, visibly not as buttery smooth as how MPC handles them, but I find the issue acceptable because it does not reach "freeze frame look" -there was no skipping.   Nonetheless, I would have to guess that a P4 would be hopeless in this scenario.   Even a Pentium-D would likely struggle.   Perhaps XBMC really needs C2D efficiency with 3.0Ghz clock speed afterall.

Didnt bother to test any 720p file because if this application can pass the high bit rate 1080p test, it will definitely play any 720p you throw at it.


No issues whatsoever with analog sound set-up or digital sound set-up.  DTS was decoded and identified properly.

Subtitle sync is slider type so my wife would probably not like the lack of fine sync control up to 1/1000 of a sec.

The default movie icon is an image of a Sony moviecam (sponsor?).   I suppose I have to download the cover arts if I want them.  Too bad I threw away the cover arts that came with some downloads.  Is this going to be a tediously long process?

As regards PQ, I'd have to analyze it more through hours of viewing in order to give a better assessment.  As it is and without tweaking with video settings, the 1080p movies looked great.

Haven't watched a full 1 or 2-hour feature yet, so can't comment about some feedback in the net as regards the XBMC hanging in the middle of a movie.

Quite fascinating program I must admit.
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Re: HTPC Front-end Software: The XBMC Thread
« Reply #7 on: Nov 12, 2008 at 02:08 PM »
You actually do not need to add cover art, movie info, cast info, etc, manually.  XBMC will do that for you via its built in scraper. 

XBMC library mode with fanart is huwaw!

During source definition, click on SET CONTENT, look for the scraper you want (MTV for music videos, TVDB for TV shows, and IMDB for Movies) and click OK.  Play with the settings to learn how they work.  Turn on autoscan .

go back to the previous menu and wait.  After it is done, click on the library mode button and it should show your movies complete with movie description, dvd cover thumbs, and wallpaper sized fanart.

of course you may have to do some trial and error to get it to work the way you want but when you do, it is great.

You can prolly get more info on how to do scraping from the xbmc forums and wiki.

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Re: HTPC Front-end Software: The XBMC Thread
« Reply #8 on: Nov 13, 2008 at 08:59 AM »
You actually do not need to add cover art, movie info, cast info, etc, manually.  XBMC will do that for you via its built in scraper...

I N C R E D I B L E
F A N TA S T I C
L U V L Y
P U Y A T

Kasing ganda na nung interface ni Joms sa NMT yung PC ko under XBMC. ;D ;D ;D

...unfortunately, I enjoyed "XBMC Explorer" too much that I lost time to watch something.   :(

This makes it "more painful" to delete contents from the hard drive.   ;D
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Re: HTPC Front-end Software: The XBMC Thread
« Reply #9 on: Nov 13, 2008 at 09:04 AM »
nice! screenshots naman, hehehe.

I read that the mediastream and aeon skins are much better looking in library mode than PM3.HD

BTW, are you using a remote for your XBMC?   

Oo nga pala.  In case you have movies still compressed in .rar/.zip (multi-rars included), you can play it directly in XBMC without the need to extract it first.  Just choose/click on the rar file and it will show the movie file inside, then just click again to play normally.  fast forward, rewind, pause, everything works as if the file is extracted already.
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Re: HTPC Front-end Software: The XBMC Thread
« Reply #10 on: Nov 13, 2008 at 09:18 AM »
nice! screenshots naman, hehehe.

I read that the mediastream and aeon skins are much better looking in library mode than PM3.HD

BTW, are you using a remote for your XBMC?   

No screenshots.  Not my style (actually may phobia na ko to post any kind of picture sa net).  But take my word for it - I can match Joms' NMT visual perspective, but it was a lot faster to organize.  He he he.

I dont understand "mediastream and aeon skins" yet.  I spent 2.5 quality hours just reading through the movie info, choosing thumbnails and looking at those fanart (is this a word?).  I'll check these skins options AFTER I watch something.  :)

No, I dont have any remote.  Just a wireless laser mouse and keyboard.

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Re: HTPC Front-end Software: The XBMC Thread
« Reply #11 on: Nov 13, 2008 at 09:24 AM »
Funny thing is, Autoscan associated a Horror Film to an adult film titled Hairy Movie.   ;D ;D ;D  It's kinda logical I thought.

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Re: HTPC Front-end Software: The XBMC Thread
« Reply #12 on: Nov 13, 2008 at 09:27 AM »
Oo nga pala.  In case you have movies still compressed in .rar/.zip (multi-rars included), you can play it directly in XBMC without the need to extract it first.  Just choose/click on the rar file and it will show the movie file inside, then just click again to play normally.  fast forward, rewind, pause, everything works as if the file is extracted already.

That sounds convenient - direct playback of fragmented files - will give it a try on Fringe or House tonight.  Thanks!

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Re: HTPC Front-end Software: The XBMC Thread
« Reply #13 on: Nov 13, 2008 at 11:45 AM »
I tried this on Vista but there were some playback issues on AVI files.  Reverted back to XP and the performance was smoother.  There is a tendency of going back to MPC because of the search slider bar which I sorely missed. 

Is there any keyboard shortcut keys that you guys can share to access the functions?  Here are some that I have discovered:

P-pause and play
S-shutdown
R-rewind
F-fast forward
Esc-Back

I also tried using the PS3 remote paired with a bluetooth dongle.  The functions that I can access are up,down,left,right and enter.  There is no button to go back to the previous menu.  I just think that a wireless mouse is still essential to access the other functions. 

Thanks jojitb for starting this thread to help us share our experiences with this HTPC application.   :D

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Re: HTPC Front-end Software: The XBMC Thread
« Reply #14 on: Nov 13, 2008 at 12:03 PM »
Here are the keyboard commands your want.
https://xbmc.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/xbmc/branches/linuxport/XBMC/system/Keymap.xml
https://xbmc.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/xbmc/branches/linuxport/XBMC/keymapping.txt
https://xbmc.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/xbmc/branches/linuxport/XBMC/keymapping-schematic.pdf

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- <keyboard>
  <p>Play</p>
  <q>Queue</q>
  <f>FastForward</f>
  <r>Rewind</r>
  <left>Left</left>
  <right>Right</right>
  <up>Up</up>
  <down>Down</down>
  <pageup>PageUp</pageup>
  <pagedown>PageDown</pagedown>
  <return>Select</return>
  <enter>Select</enter>
  <backspace>ParentDir</backspace>
  <m>ActivateWindow(PlayerControls)</m>
  <s>ActivateWindow(shutdownmenu)</s>
  <escape>PreviousMenu</escape>
  <i>Info</i>
  <menu>ContextMenu</menu>
  <c>ContextMenu</c>
  <space>Pause</space>
  <x>Stop</x>
  <period>SkipNext</period>
  <comma>SkipPrevious</comma>
  <tab>FullScreen</tab>
  <printscreen>Screenshot</printscreen>
  <minus>VolumeDown</minus>
  <plus>VolumeUp</plus>
  <zero>Number0</zero>
  <one>Number1</one>
  <two>Number2</two>
  <three>Number3</three>
  <four>Number4</four>
  <five>Number5</five>
  <six>Number6</six>
  <seven>Number7</seven>
  <eight>Number8</eight>
  <nine>Number9</nine>
  <backslash>ToggleFullScreen</backslash>
  <browser_home>XBMC.ActivateWindow(Home)</browser_home>
  <browser_favorites>ActivateWindow(Favourites)</browser_favorites>
  <browser_refresh />
  <browser_search />
  <launch_app1_pc_icon>ActivateWindow(MyPrograms)</launch_app1_pc_icon>
  <launch_media_select>XBMC.ActivateWindow(MyMusic)</launch_media_select>
  <play_pause>Pause</play_pause>
  <stop>Stop</stop>
  <volume_up>VolumeUp</volume_up>
  <volume_mute>Mute</volume_mute>
  <volume_down>VolumeDown</volume_down>
  <next_track>SkipNext</next_track>
  <prev_track>SkipPrevious</prev_track>
  <launch_mail />
  <key id="61620" />
- <!--  same as above, launch_mail, but using button code (based on vkey id)
  -->
  <end>XBMC.ShutDown()</end>
  </keyboard>


To use your PS3 Bluetooth remote with XBMC in windows, follow this guide:
http://xbmc.org/forum/showthread.php?t=33806&highlight=ps3

I assure you, once your get your remote properly setup, you will seldom need to use your mouse.  the arrow keys should let you go forward/backward without needing to use your mouse.
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Re: HTPC Front-end Software: The XBMC Thread
« Reply #15 on: Nov 13, 2008 at 12:15 PM »
another guide to PS3 remote, using different software.
http://xbmc.org/forum/showthread.php?t=38333

san mo pala nabili yan ps3 remote mo?  magkano?

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Re: HTPC Front-end Software: The XBMC Thread
« Reply #16 on: Nov 13, 2008 at 04:24 PM »
another guide to PS3 remote, using different software.
http://xbmc.org/forum/showthread.php?t=38333

san mo pala nabili yan ps3 remote mo?  magkano?

I bought it from Datablitz but I forgot how much it is. 

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Re: HTPC Front-end Software: The XBMC Thread
« Reply #17 on: Nov 13, 2008 at 04:26 PM »
Here are some screenshots with my set-up. 






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Re: HTPC Front-end Software: The XBMC Thread
« Reply #18 on: Nov 13, 2008 at 04:52 PM »
You actually do not need to add cover art, movie info, cast info, etc, manually.  XBMC will do that for you via its built in scraper. 

XBMC library mode with fanart is huwaw!

During source definition, click on SET CONTENT, look for the scraper you want (MTV for music videos, TVDB for TV shows, and IMDB for Movies) and click OK.  Play with the settings to learn how they work.  Turn on autoscan .

go back to the previous menu and wait.  After it is done, click on the library mode button and it should show your movies complete with movie description, dvd cover thumbs, and wallpaper sized fanart.

of course you may have to do some trial and error to get it to work the way you want but when you do, it is great.

You can prolly get more info on how to do scraping from the xbmc forums and wiki.



Bro, there are other movies where their info aren't downloadable from imdb.  I wanted to paste even the cover arts only on the folders with non-dowloadable info.  Can you just manually get a jpeg file from your hard drive and "paste" it in the movie folder?

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Re: HTPC Front-end Software: The XBMC Thread
« Reply #19 on: Nov 13, 2008 at 04:56 PM »
I tried this before on the XBMC for xbox1 and I think it should also work for xbmc for windows.
Just get the jpg file of the movie and save it within the same folder as that of the movie itself. Also rename it to the same filename as that of the movie...
e.g. Ironman.avi ---> jpg cover art should be Ironman.jpg

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Re: HTPC Front-end Software: The XBMC Thread
« Reply #20 on: Nov 13, 2008 at 05:08 PM »
I tried this before on the XBMC for xbox1 and I think it should also work for xbmc for windows.
Just get the jpg file of the movie and save it within the same folder as that of the movie itself. Also rename it to the same filename as that of the movie...
e.g. Ironman.avi ---> jpg cover art should be Ironman.jpg

Tried it...didn't work! Weird...there was no retrievable data for Finding Nemo.  ???
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Re: HTPC Front-end Software: The XBMC Thread
« Reply #21 on: Nov 13, 2008 at 05:20 PM »
talga? sent you pm  :)

Lam ko na... it should have been ironman.tbn, the extension should be *.tbn for the thumbnail.

http://xbmc.org/wiki/index.php?title=Thumbnails
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Re: HTPC Front-end Software: The XBMC Thread
« Reply #22 on: Nov 13, 2008 at 05:54 PM »
Bro, there are other movies where their info aren't downloadable from imdb.  I wanted to paste even the cover arts only on the folders with non-dowloadable info.  Can you just manually get a jpeg file from your hard drive and "paste" it in the movie folder?

right-click on the movie/tvshow title, click on movie/tv information and click on either Get Fanart or Get Thumb.  Then just browse to your image file.

check out xbmc media companion.  it creates .nfo files which will make scraping faster and more accurate.
XBMC MEDIA COMPANION: www.billyad2000.co.uk
NFO files:   http://xbmc.org/wiki/?title=Import_-_Export_Library#Video_nfo_Files


more sample shots:



























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Re: HTPC Front-end Software: The XBMC Thread
« Reply #23 on: Nov 14, 2008 at 01:11 AM »
right-click on the movie/tvshow title, click on movie/tv information and click on either Get Fanart or Get Thumb.  Then just browse to your image file.

check out xbmc media companion.  it creates .nfo files which will make scraping faster and more accurate.
XBMC MEDIA COMPANION: www.billyad2000.co.uk
NFO files:   http://xbmc.org/wiki/?title=Import_-_Export_Library#Video_nfo_Files


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Very nice!   ;)

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Re: HTPC Front-end Software: The XBMC Thread
« Reply #24 on: Nov 14, 2008 at 02:05 AM »






You can do multiple bookmarks on any part of the movie 

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Re: HTPC Front-end Software: The XBMC Thread
« Reply #25 on: Nov 14, 2008 at 08:39 AM »
The different modes of presenting your movie library...






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Re: HTPC Front-end Software: The XBMC Thread
« Reply #26 on: Nov 14, 2008 at 09:46 AM »
 :o ganda naman nyan mga sir! Makagawa nga ng HTPC Server  ;D

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Re: HTPC Front-end Software: The XBMC Thread
« Reply #27 on: Nov 14, 2008 at 09:53 AM »

Doc, this is very nice...  ;D

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Re: HTPC Front-end Software: The XBMC Thread
« Reply #28 on: Nov 14, 2008 at 02:14 PM »
nerveblocker are you using the ps3 remote or the cdrking presenter?
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Re: HTPC Front-end Software: The XBMC Thread
« Reply #29 on: Nov 14, 2008 at 05:10 PM »
nerveblocker are you using the ps3 remote or the cdrking presenter?

CDRKing remote mouse and CDRKing PS3 mini keyboard.   ;D I tried using my PS3 remote but I find the functions limited.  And everytime I pair it with the PC, my PS3 gets turned on. Tama ba yun? Hehe!