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3D in Home Theater
« on: Jul 05, 2009 at 07:05 AM »
first time i have watched a 3d movie last friday..Ice age 3 and i wondered kung meron 3d pang HT..

Dont know kung dito dapat lagay ang post mga sir..
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Re: 3D in Home Theater
« Reply #1 on: Jul 05, 2009 at 09:28 AM »
^  You mean blu-ray movies in 3D?  Meron na... there's Journey to the Center of the Earth, Polar Express, and My Bloody Valentine.  Of the three, the only one I own is Journey to the Center of the Earth.  The 3D glasses (x4) are included with the DVD. Watched it on my HTIB... maganda naman.. everyone in my family enjoyed watching Journey.. kahit medyo corny yung story. Maganda lang yung effect ng 3D.   :)
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Re: 3D in Home Theater
« Reply #2 on: Jul 05, 2009 at 10:42 AM »
Can't wait to see Coraline in 3D;D the blu ray will be released July 21. HAven't tried watching anything in 3D at all...I read somewhere that it does include 4 3D glasses as well. my only concern is how to put it over my prescription glasses.

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Re: 3D in Home Theater
« Reply #3 on: Jul 05, 2009 at 11:16 AM »
^  You mean blu-ray movies in 3D?  Meron na... there's Journey to the Center of the Earth, Polar Express, and My Bloody Valentine.  Of the three, the only one I own is Journey to the Center of the Earth.  The 3D glasses (x4) are included with the DVD. Watched it on my HTIB... maganda naman.. everyone in my family enjoyed watching Journey.. kahit medyo corny yung story. Maganda lang yung effect ng 3D.   :)

sir how was it..sa movies kasi pag inalis glasses medyo blurred ang pictures na parang layered..

pano sa bluray? may settings ba na puwede 2d lang..?

and i admit maganda yung experience na parang you don't want to go 2D anymore..
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Re: 3D in Home Theater
« Reply #4 on: Jul 05, 2009 at 12:24 PM »
Usually, DVD's or BD's that have 3D versions include the original 2D version as well.

When you remove the 3D glasses, you also get a blurred image, because the blue & red (or green & red) colors are offset, to give a stereographic effect. Also note that conventional TV screens (CRT, LCD, LED, Plasma) are not capable of projecting 3D images the way you see them in digital cinemas. Because of this limitation, you don't get to see the same colors that you saw in the digital cinema.


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Re: 3D in Home Theater
« Reply #5 on: Jul 05, 2009 at 12:46 PM »
kasama din pala yung 2D version..

pero kung sa LCD tv natin gagamitin bale may lack of colors..

kung projectors siguro maganda..
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Re: 3D in Home Theater
« Reply #6 on: Jul 05, 2009 at 12:56 PM »
You need a special projector & screen to reproduce the intended colors. Also, the DVD/Blu-ray themselves are not encoded to give out the proper images that would do so. Even if you have the equipment that can deliver true digital 3D (as in the digital theaters), if your source (DVD/Blu-ray disc) was only encoded using the old 3D technology (using blue-red / green-red color separation), you're still stuck with "old" 3D.



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Re: 3D in Home Theater
« Reply #7 on: Jul 05, 2009 at 01:05 PM »
By the way, Samsung already has 3D-ready DLP HDTV's. Check this out: link


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Re: 3D in Home Theater
« Reply #8 on: Jul 05, 2009 at 02:30 PM »
I assume the Panasonic Plasmas are not 3-D compatible, tama ba?
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Re: 3D in Home Theater
« Reply #9 on: Jul 05, 2009 at 02:34 PM »
Hmm. Maybe not. The website I mentioned above lists only some models from Samsung and Mitsubishi.


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Re: 3D in Home Theater
« Reply #10 on: Jul 13, 2009 at 03:01 PM »
Thank you for your inputs.
Indeed the 3D BluRay /DVD disc won't have a 3D effect when played on a Panny Plasma screen and a BluRay/DVD player. I tried it and it suck big time. Don't buy these 3D disc. Just watch it in 3D theaters instead.
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Re: 3D in Home Theater
« Reply #11 on: Jan 11, 2010 at 03:47 PM »

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Re: 3D in Home Theater
« Reply #12 on: Jan 12, 2010 at 01:45 PM »
http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/News/Press/201001/10-002E/index.html

Would this be the solution here?


Yes that's the one.

Don't confuse the old anaglyph 3D using those red and blue cellophne cardboard spectacles with the new 1080p stereoscopic 3D just coming out this year.
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Re: 3D in Home Theater
« Reply #13 on: Jan 12, 2010 at 02:15 PM »
this will soon be the next holy grail of our HT addiction...  ;D

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Re: 3D in Home Theater
« Reply #14 on: Jan 12, 2010 at 03:09 PM »
Yup another new level of HT experience...darn no wonder there's no cure for SARS! ;D

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Re: 3D in Home Theater
« Reply #15 on: Jan 12, 2010 at 05:31 PM »
I guess soon theres also going to be 3D games.  :)

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Re: 3D in Home Theater
« Reply #16 on: Jan 29, 2010 at 07:25 AM »
It looks like it's not enough that your TV has 120hz frame rates to display stereoscopic 3D.  There are models out there trumpeting 120hz or even 240hz frame rates but only accept hdmi input at 60hz at the most and have no hdmi1.4 sockets.  They also cannot show 1080p 3D.  

In order to show 1080p 3D, a TV needs to accept 48hz to 120hz input because you are effectively taking in two 1080p video signals at 24hz or 60hz maximum each to be processed for 3D viewing.  To those thinking of future-proofing their TV investment by buying 120hz LCD TVs, hold on.  Check if it accepts 48hz to 120hz input which I think is possible only with HDMI 1.4 sockets (smaller than 1,3, also refereed to as microHDMI) for full 1080p 3D.  
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Re: 3D in Home Theater
« Reply #17 on: Jan 29, 2010 at 11:41 AM »
Most recent HDMI cables sold by monoprice, 1.3 spec, already support 3D. However, they're releasing the 1.4 versions soon just to clear out any confusion.

Oh, and 1.4 has internet connectivity, which to me is of  equal importance.
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Re: 3D in Home Theater
« Reply #18 on: Jan 29, 2010 at 12:52 PM »
Accdg to some sources online, HDMI 1.3 can only support 1080i 3D, not 1080p 3D.  Their maximum bandwidth are the same but there's some difference is frame signaling in stereoscopic 1080p 3D over HDMI requiring the shift to 1.4. 
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Re: 3D in Home Theater
« Reply #19 on: Jan 29, 2010 at 09:12 PM »
he,he madaling magpalit ng HDMI cable..ang mahirap magpalit ng 3D capable HDTV..
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Re: 3D in Home Theater
« Reply #20 on: Jan 30, 2010 at 12:53 AM »

I hope stereoscopic 3D will take-off this year. Let anaglyphic 3D be a thing of the past and bring IMAX 3D right in our homes. Major electronic brands made announcements at CES that they are going to ship new 3DTVs, projectors and blu-ray players starting 2nd quarter this year.

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Re: 3D in Home Theater
« Reply #21 on: Jan 30, 2010 at 08:01 AM »
"Everything with Blu-ray 3D is happening extremely fast. January isn't even over yet and Amazon already has a compatible player up for preorder: the Samsung BD-C6900, announced mere weeks ago at CES. At the time of writing, it appears as "temporarily out of stock", with no fixed availability date. It carries a price tag of $399.99."

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I think the page has bee removed na at Amazon.... ;D

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Re: 3D in Home Theater
« Reply #22 on: Jan 30, 2010 at 11:29 AM »
even the Nvidia 3D vision kit is selling fast Paul, just 2 weeks ago its being offered by several merchants now only Computer Brain has it on stock. Price went up also from a mere $170+ to $189.99 as of this writing.
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Re: 3D in Home Theater
« Reply #23 on: Jan 30, 2010 at 11:36 AM »
To those with the nvidia video cards and 3D glasses, have you tried downloadiing those 3D stereoscopic trailers or movies to watch them on your monitor?  If so, how was it? TIA


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Re: 3D in Home Theater
« Reply #24 on: Jan 30, 2010 at 01:35 PM »
The NVIDIA 3D kits...they need compatible or special 3D monitors/displays right?

A big question going through my mind is if we need to replace our current HDMI receivers if indeed our "old" hdmi cables can't carry 3D?

Some 3D capable projectors aren't that hard to swallow and new TVs will only command a small premium of $100- $200 based on the comments in CES.

However once you couple that with the need for a new receiver, it becomes a bit too much...all the more if your receiver is one of the higher end ones. And we haven't talked of the $70-$100 active shutter glasses required to view 3D content (multiply that a few heads in the house and you get the idea.)

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Re: 3D in Home Theater
« Reply #25 on: Jan 30, 2010 at 03:40 PM »
Wala pa bang gumagamit ng 120hz PC monitors here?  with a 3D Nvidia card?

I've never really seen the need for new receivers ever since HD started.  Same with 3D.
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Re: 3D in Home Theater
« Reply #26 on: Jan 30, 2010 at 09:21 PM »
nVidia GeForce 3D Vision Kit. Amazon customer's review. By  K. Gish (California):

I'll try to be brief, as to not simply reiterate too much of the other reviewers.

1) These nVidia glasses work very well, and the glasses have wider field of view than the eDimensions 3D glasses (which I bought 2 years ago). The 3D effect is fully adjustable in the two key dimensions: separation (amount of 3D effect) and convergence (how far away the objects appear). Having a 60 Hz refresh rate for each eye is critical; my eDimension glasses with an older 60 Hz LCD monitor could only give 30 Hz per eye and lots of flicker. I haven't tried the eDimension with the new 120 Hz monitor.

2) My computer set up is not excessive, but not wimpy either: AMD Athlon 64 X2 6000+ 3.0GHz; nVidia 8800GTS; 2 Gb DDR2-800 RAM; ViewSonic VX2265wm 120Hz LCD monitor; Windows 7 Home Premium 32-bit. This is about the bare minimum set up for good 3D.

3) Make sure you uninstall your current GeForce drivers before loading the new GeForce + 3D Vision drivers (collectively downloadable as the "Full Driver CD" from nVidia's website). I had mismatched drivers at first (from Windows 7), and got excessive ghosting and got the right-eye signal going to the left eye. Reinstalling with fresh drivers from nVidia solved the problem. Now I have no ghosting, no flicker, great 3D effect.

4) I've only tested one game so far, World of Warcraft, which looks beautiful. There's a setting in WoW to allow the cursor to adjust its depth to match the interacting object - nice! Takes 15-30 minutes to get used to, but then it's fantastic. Setting the convergence (or "screen depth") to a low value makes the objects appear far away and is easier on the eyes.

5) Caveats: (a) you need Windows Vista or 7; XP will not work. (b) There are only two LCD monitors at the moment that offer true 120 Hz refresh rates: ViewSonic VX2265wm FuHzion 3D/120Hz LCD Display (Black) and Samsung Syncmaster 2233RZ 22" 3D Gaming LCD Monito; many LCD TVs claim 120 Hz, but this is upscaled, and none currently take 120 Hz input; some DLP TVs will work - check nVidia's website.

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Re: 3D in Home Theater
« Reply #27 on: Jan 30, 2010 at 09:50 PM »
nVidia GeForce 3D Vision Kit. Amazon customer's review. By  K. Gish (California):

2) My computer set up is not excessive, but not wimpy either: AMD Athlon 64 X2 6000+ 3.0GHz; nVidia 8800GTS; 2 Gb DDR2-800 RAM; ViewSonic VX2265wm 120Hz LCD monitor; Windows 7 Home Premium 32-bit. This is about the bare minimum set up for good 3D.


Drat

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5) Caveats: (a) you need Windows Vista or 7; XP will not work. (b) There are only two LCD monitors at the moment that offer true 120 Hz refresh rates: ViewSonic VX2265wm FuHzion 3D/120Hz LCD Display (Black) and Samsung Syncmaster 2233RZ 22" 3D Gaming LCD Monito; many LCD TVs claim 120 Hz, but this is upscaled, and none currently take 120 Hz input; some DLP TVs will work - check nVidia's website.


and double drat


I'd be upgrading everything,  I might as well buy an entirely new PC.   thanks Paul.

Any idea how much this PC will cost, including the 3D glasses and the nVidia card?  TIA





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Re: 3D in Home Theater
« Reply #28 on: Jan 31, 2010 at 12:26 AM »
I'd be upgrading everything,  I might as well buy an entirely new PC.   thanks Paul.
Any idea how much this PC will cost, including the 3D glasses and the nVidia card?  TIA

Geez...last year I just upgraded my PC & spend over 30k & the specs not even near the one mentioned by Amazon's customer. Don't think I'm going to upgrade again so soon...plus the graphic card & then the 3D card pa...gosh! :-[

A new PC that meet such high specs may be in the range of 60k + another 9k for the nVidia GeForce 3D Vision Kit....oh I forgot to add the 3D LCD display pa 15k...all in all may cost around 90k :o  :o

*Eh we forgot to include a Blu-ray drive... ;D

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Re: 3D in Home Theater
« Reply #29 on: Jan 31, 2010 at 07:00 PM »
grabe ang mahal..watch na lang kaya tayo lagi sa IMAX..
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