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Re: SAKURA AV-200T Tube Amp
« Reply #510 on: Nov 11, 2010 at 12:42 AM »
if you want to go that way, just remember that you will be throwing away the power amp section.....if you intend to use the existing torroid, that will have to go under side, and then you need another transformer for the plate B+ and then two output transformers.......i suppose it is possible but be warned that it will be a lot of hard work and you may not like the results if your speakers are not suitable for a set amp.....

if you really want to learn to make your own amps, i am more than willing to help.... ;D
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You are right, the existing torroidal transformer has to go under if it fits, and yes I am removing the entire ss power amp section (so no turning back). I have RTi3 89db or RB3 94db speakers to use and the time to spend with this project. Im sure it would be a lot of work but sure a lot of things to learn. I prefer a low-watter SET using cheap triode tubes, parts, but good transformers for the start. Im new in audio electronics and would appreciate all the help (schematics, specs, etc) suggestions and comments along the way. I would be more than happy to share the results. I will wait for your recommendations then. Thanks.
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Re: SAKURA AV-200T Tube Amp
« Reply #511 on: Nov 12, 2010 at 12:04 AM »
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You are right, the existing torroidal transformer has to go under if it fits, and yes I am removing the entire ss power amp section (so no turning back). I have RTi3 89db or RB3 94db speakers to use and the time to spend with this project. Im sure it would be a lot of work but sure a lot of things to learn. I prefer a low-watter SET using cheap triode tubes, parts, but good transformers for the start. Im new in audio electronics and would appreciate all the help (schematics, specs, etc) suggestions and comments along the way. I would be more than happy to share the results. I will wait for your recommendations then. Thanks.

Or maybe later on somebody could sell complete upgrade DIY kits to those interested to convert to all-tube amplifier. The kit might contain schematics, pictorial diagram, parts including transformers, and connectors for easy connection to the preamp and power supply.

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Re: SAKURA AV-200T Tube Amp
« Reply #512 on: Nov 13, 2010 at 02:11 PM »
I feel that modifying the ss power amp with tubes would not be a good idea after all.

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Re: SAKURA AV-200T Tube Amp
« Reply #513 on: Nov 28, 2010 at 04:51 AM »
mga bossing any idea where i can get replacement vacuum tubes 5z4p , 787j , 6922 and 6dj8 para sa sakura. magkano kaya un? tnx mga bossing :)

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Re: SAKURA AV-200T Tube Amp
« Reply #514 on: Nov 28, 2010 at 10:33 AM »
punta ka sa wiredstate.com maraming nagbebeta ng tubes doon.....

very conservatively used yung mga rectifer tubes, imagine 6 volts lang ang output nya.... :D

Kasi hybrid siya?

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Re: SAKURA AV-200T Tube Amp
« Reply #515 on: Nov 28, 2010 at 05:26 PM »
Mataas ba power consumption nitong sakura av200 Sir tony? pag moderate listening level lng po? ilang watts po kaya?
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Re: SAKURA AV-200T Tube Amp
« Reply #516 on: Nov 29, 2010 at 04:55 PM »
hindi naman, at moderate listening levels baka hinid pa lumanpas ng 5 watts sa tantiya ko....

thanks Sir TonyT  :)
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Re: SAKURA AV-200T Tube Amp
« Reply #517 on: Nov 29, 2010 at 09:44 PM »
sir tony salamat po sa info :)

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Re: SAKURA AV-200T Tube Amp
« Reply #518 on: Nov 30, 2010 at 01:48 AM »
punta ka sa wiredstate.com maraming nagbebeta ng tubes doon.....

pero sa tingin ko, malabong mangangailangan ng replacements yung mga tubes.....yung 6922 pwede mo pagpalitin ng pwesto kada buwan, kasi kalahati lang ang ginamit, in effect meron kang spare tubes within the amp itself...

yung rectifiers naman hindi ko maimagine kung paano masisira, maliban na lang kung ibagsak mo at mabasag...

very conservatively used yung mga rectifer tubes, imagine 6 volts lang ang output nya.... :D


is it true mga sirs that this sakura is not good for tube rolling? pano kasi if its not only changing the tubes for replacement perse, but more on changing the character of sound?
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Re: SAKURA AV-200T Tube Amp
« Reply #519 on: Nov 30, 2010 at 09:34 AM »
Sir TonyT, modified na ba yung yung tube amp mo or stock pa din?
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Re: SAKURA AV-200T Tube Amp
« Reply #520 on: Dec 20, 2010 at 09:47 PM »
bro,me nagbebenta sa marketplace ng modified sakura
http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,127239.0.html

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Re: SAKURA AV-200T Tube Amp
« Reply #521 on: Jan 09, 2011 at 06:19 AM »
I am really enjoying my Sakura aV 200-T after I use X77 circuitry.  Since I want to maximize more its performance, I want to replace the pre amp tubes.  The best and safest tube replacement is only Russian NOS 6n2p-EV.

Here is the link.http://tubesky.3hksky.com/6N2.html





So kindly PM me if you already have the tube 6n2p EV and has stocks for sale.  Thanks.
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Re: SAKURA AV-200T Tube Amp
« Reply #522 on: Jan 09, 2011 at 02:09 PM »
ano yung x77?  ???
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Re: SAKURA AV-200T Tube Amp
« Reply #523 on: Jan 09, 2011 at 03:27 PM »
kala ko descendant ni tony falcon  ;D
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Re: SAKURA AV-200T Tube Amp
« Reply #524 on: Jan 09, 2011 at 04:58 PM »
hindi naman, at moderate listening levels baka hinid pa lumanpas ng 5 watts sa tantiya ko....

i have measure this amp's consumption using a watt meter.. and it reads 45 watts idle around 60 watts siguro kung playing music that why i bought a t-amp para makatipid sa kuryente.

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Re: SAKURA AV-200T Tube Amp
« Reply #525 on: Jan 09, 2011 at 09:16 PM »
@monreq,

do not risk your money, cathode follower lang ang gamit nung tubes, saka kalahati lang ng tubes ang ginamit, pwede mong gawin ay pagpalitin yung 2 tubes, parang rotation ng tires sa kotse para para distributed ang pagkapudpod ng goma, walang gaanong sonic signature yan........

saka yung tanggal kabit ng tubes makaluwag ng socket yan, remember na china sockets yan, meron akong novar 9 pins na nabile ko na brand new, pero hindi magamit unless i re-crimp mo yung pins.....

pag minamalas malas ka at natapat ka sa mahinang tube, posibleng magka humming ka pa....

sabi mo happy ka na sa X77 mods mo......kulang pa rin?    ;)

ako malapit ko nang ipamigay yung sakura ko sa pinsan ko, inaawitan kasi..... ;D ;D ;D

in case you are wondering, cathode followers are 100% negative feedback, ayaw na ayaw ng mga audiophiles yung negative feedback....

ang sonic character ay nadedevelop ng "common cathode" tube amps, dyan isinisilang ang 2nd harmonics na kinagigiliwan ng mga tube heads.....


Thanks sir Tony.  Alam mo naman ako, I would like to test it first.  I don't have plans for tube rolling.  I just want to replace the chinese 6n2 with Russian 6n2p-EV if there is available locally.  BAsta, i'll update you guys if I already have and test the 6n2p-EV.  Theories are helpful in guiding us on decision making.  But in real life everything can change.  If I maximized the performance of Sakura with X77 Circuit to be more tubely...there is also a possibility that replacing the tube with 6n2p-EV can give better details and soundstage on Sakura.  There is no harm in trying as long as the tube is compatible with the amp. The tube is cheap, actually.  I just don't want to take the risk buying on E bay to an individual abroad. :)

P.S. I hate tube rolling and I hate chinese tubes.  At least, Sakura will be for keeps after the final upgrade on tube.  Also, I am not an audiophile Sir Tony, I am a simple audio hobbyist who have passion for natural analog sound. ;)
« Last Edit: Jan 09, 2011 at 09:23 PM by monreq »
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Re: SAKURA AV-200T Tube Amp
« Reply #526 on: Jan 10, 2011 at 12:30 PM »
@monreq,

the Sakura is a low cost amp that delivers the goods.. ;D...i bought the amp because of its novelty and the fact that it gave me more value supplying me with spare tubes.....

spending more money than what is cost you to acquire the amp is not a wise imho......

if the selling price at the time was 4,500 instead of 3,500 i would probably have not purchased that amp... ;)

you can even buy the same amp for 3000, here, http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,123275.0.html


For me it's the sound that counts.  The stock Sakura is basically good. Doing the right modification that will rival the P20K up amps is a steal.  As for now, I could say that the sound is near to a real tube amp (not pentode but push pull type tube amp) for me, and others that already heard it.  It's insane if I am the only one who can appreciate the sound.  If many did appreciate it means, I am on the right track.  My point is to rival amps that are in the category of P20K up.  So, it's fair enough to spend some to make this amp be a rival of those amps in that category.  In D.I.Y, with proper modification,I can have the sound that I really want...and for me my objective is to have the natural analog sound.  Sabi nga ni Mang ROd (Trodt Tube Amp creator) "nasa tenga yan panu matimpla ng tama ang tunog ng Amp.  Di mo makukuha ang tamang tunog sa computation lang.  Kailangan may actual adjustment din na kung saan doon mo talaga maririnig ang tamang timpla.  Pero kailangan at pinaka importante marunong ka talagang makinig.  Kasi kung hindi, magiging sintunado ang tunog ng amp mo o di tama."   Sa audio industry maraming kayang gumawa ng amp, pero konti lang ang marunong magtimpla ng tamang tunog.  Kaya kung gusto natin pagandahin and tunog ng set up natin,  kailangan muna alam natin ang tunog na tama.  Musical Instruments etc.  Di natin basta puwedeng palitan na lang ang bawat components sa tweaking. Kailangan din alam talga natin epekto nito sa tunog kung malaki or maliit ba ang effect niya.  Trial and error din to get the proper sound.  IYan ang natutunan ko kay Mang Rod.

Alam mo yan sir Tony, you are experienced in your field.  Ang pinagkaiba lang natin mahilig ako mag explore kahit wala sa libro.   Sa totoo lang wala kasi ako pambili ng tube amp ni Mang Rod kaya ako nagkakaganito.  Masyado ako nagandahan sa gawa niya kahit nung dati na di pa niya na introduce iyong "interstage coupling transformer."  Ewan ko kung iyon nga tawag dun.  Basta iyong transformer ni Mang Rod ang nagdadala ng ganda sa amp niya.  Kaya nga may ibang tube amp na branded kahit anung ganda, parang walang buhay or manipis tumunog.  Kasi nga iyong transformer ang problema.

Cheers.:)

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Re: SAKURA AV-200T Tube Amp
« Reply #527 on: Jan 10, 2011 at 03:18 PM »
@monreq,

the Sakura is a low cost amp that delivers the goods.. ;D...i bought the amp because of its novelty and the fact that it gave me more value supplying me with spare tubes.....

spending more money than what is cost you to acquire the amp is not a wise imho......

if the selling price at the time was 4,500 instead of 3,500 i would probably have not purchased that amp... ;)

you can even buy the same amp for 3000, here, http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,123275.0.html



+1
kung hindi lang ako nagtitipid ng kuryente... i would have bought another sakura 200t..i really love how it sounds
« Last Edit: Jan 10, 2011 at 03:19 PM by yygoob »

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Re: SAKURA AV-200T Tube Amp
« Reply #528 on: Jan 13, 2011 at 09:17 PM »
"chinese tubes" yung 5Z4,  gamit ng sakura kaya nila naibenta ng mura..... :D
Yes it's chinese tubes sir.  Pero rectifier lang naman siya at di input tube or pre amp tube kaya wala masyado effect, di ba?  ;)
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Re: SAKURA AV-200T Tube Amp
« Reply #529 on: Jan 16, 2011 at 09:45 AM »
update:

changed the stock 6H23 tubes to russian 6H23.......and the winner is...... ;D




a peek into my russian tube stash, sa tagal ng delivery time, naluma na ng husto yung box..... :D


Sarap naman yan sir, dami nyan ha.... sobra sobra na yatang stock yan even lifetime dina muubos.... ;D

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Re: SAKURA AV-200T Tube Amp
« Reply #530 on: Jan 16, 2011 at 10:22 AM »
Sino panalo sir tony? for sale ba yang russian tubes mo? pwede pahingi? ;D ;D ;D ;D

congrats! ;)

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Re: SAKURA AV-200T Tube Amp
« Reply #531 on: Jan 16, 2011 at 07:35 PM »
Tony katuwa naman yun stuff toys, pwede din yan ala bass dampers... ;D

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Re: SAKURA AV-200T Tube Amp
« Reply #532 on: Jan 16, 2011 at 08:12 PM »
di ko pwedeng galawin yan, aawayin ako ni wifey...... :D :D :D


naku kahit ano galing sa electronics pag dating diyan wala tayo laban hahaha...  ;D ;D ;D

baka sibilant yan speakers mo kaya nilagyan ni misis ng sound absorber sa ibabaw?  ;D ;D ;D

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Re: SAKURA AV-200T Tube Amp
« Reply #533 on: Jan 16, 2011 at 08:20 PM »

sinabi mo pa..... ;D

kakabitan ko nga sana ng DTX subwoofer, pero sa ganda ng response, buong-buo yung tunog ng kick drum at cymbals tama lang, natapat siguro ako sa magandang recording.....opm yung tugtog, do ko alam yung singer...



ok din pag may sub especially yun mga DTX subs, prices sa buy and sell are too good to let pass. nun isang gabi vst & company at cinderella ang trip ko dito sa bahay  ;D ganda naman ng tunog eh...

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Re: SAKURA AV-200T Tube Amp
« Reply #534 on: Jan 17, 2011 at 08:04 AM »

oo nga, pero dahil sa mura lang, marami ring ang nang-iisnob sa mga Dai-ichi as being non-audiophile grade, buti na lang hindi ako audiophile........ ;D ;D ;D


hindi dahil sa audiophile yun kaya nang-iisnob... baka naman isnabero lang talaga...  ;D ;D ;D

paano pala yan gawa ng Dai-ichi yun Targa sub ko?  :D

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« Reply #535 on: Jan 17, 2011 at 08:05 AM »

a peek into my russian tube stash, sa tagal ng delivery time, naluma na ng husto yung box..... :D


sir may nasama b jan na 6p15p, baka pede bumili ng tingi, pm me lang po. :D
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Re: SAKURA AV-200T Tube Amp
« Reply #536 on: Jan 17, 2011 at 11:15 AM »
update:

changed the stock 6H23 tubes to russian 6H23.......and the winner is...... ;D




a peek into my russian tube stash, sa tagal ng delivery time, naluma na ng husto yung box..... :D


Sir Tony I thought you change the stock tube rectifier of Sakura and change it to SS type?  Pinalitan mo lang pala ng rectifier tube na mas maliit, am I right?  Ginaya kasi ng isang kasama natin dito iyong modification na ginawa niyo sa Sakura wherein you change the tube rectifier to SS type rectifier.  Ewan ko kung palpak pagkagawa niya at di niya nasunod mabuti instructions niyo.  Ang panget ng kinalabasan..the sound was so distant, poor imaging.   Kaya I told him to return the stock tube rectifier to enjoy his Sakura again, which he already did.  So, was that also your reason why you return the Sakura to tube rectified from SS? ::)

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Re: SAKURA AV-200T Tube Amp
« Reply #537 on: Jan 17, 2011 at 11:25 AM »
Sir Tony I thought you change the stock tube rectifier of Sakura and change it to SS type?  Pinalitan mo lang pala ng rectifier tube na mas maliit, am I right? 

I think he replaced the cathode follower 6H23 tubes. There's nothing plugged into the former rectifier sockets. Nakapatong lang yung dalawang tubes sa likod at hindi nakasaksak, baka kaya namalikmata ka sa picture.

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Re: SAKURA AV-200T Tube Amp
« Reply #538 on: Jan 17, 2011 at 12:44 PM »
I think he replaced the cathode follower 6H23 tubes. There's nothing plugged into the former rectifier sockets. Nakapatong lang yung dalawang tubes sa likod at hindi nakasaksak, baka kaya namalikmata ka sa picture.
Ay oo nga.  Malabo na mata ko.  :o Akala ko ibinalik niya na or nagpalit siya ng tube rectifier.  Ksi may nakapatong na tubo sa likod.  ::)
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Re: SAKURA AV-200T Tube Amp
« Reply #539 on: Jan 17, 2011 at 04:35 PM »
all i did was to take out 5z4 tubes.....

original tubes yung nasa likod.....i posted the schematics on page 1 getting rid of the tube rectifiers is quite easy since there is an existing +/-12volts rails sa board, all that is needed are 2 isolating resistor and 2 bypass caps to supply one 4558 IC......up to 100 ohms can be used for the isolation resistors and about 0.22 mylar bypass caps.......

next time i will try to replace the 6H23 tubes with the 6H30......before i finally remove the tubes from this amp.... ;D


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