Author Topic: motionflow technology? (Read 9475 times)

anya618 · « **on:** Nov 29, 2009 at 11:59 AM »

nakita ko lang sa specs ng sony flat panels na with motionflow technology sila, exclusive ba ito sa sony lang or meron din sa ibang brands?
on the other hand meron naman led ang samsung, which one is better?
im recommending kasi for my father in law, he plans to get a 46" tv
thanks in advance

Stagea · « **Reply #1 on:** Nov 29, 2009 at 01:30 PM »

Yung motionflow is just Sony's term for their 120hz and 240hz panels. Other brands also have this. Other brands also have LED backlit LCD TVs.

Notice how Sony and Samsung simultaneously released the first "120Hz" and later the first "240Hz" LCD TVs? That's because they have the same LCD panel source for most of their bigger TVs (S-LCD in Korea)... they might even be the same panels.

anya618 · « **Reply #2 on:** Nov 29, 2009 at 02:57 PM »

ung LED ba ay counterpart of motionflow technology? or magkaiba sila?

babed95 · « **Reply #3 on:** Nov 29, 2009 at 07:31 PM »

sa plasma di na kailangan ang motion flow maganda na sa lcd kailangan pa pra gumanda ang p.q.

blued888 · « **Reply #4 on:** Nov 29, 2009 at 07:37 PM »

Quote from: babed95 on Nov 29, 2009 at 07:31 PM

sa plasma di na kailangan ang motion flow maganda na, sa lcd kailangan pa pra gumanda ang p.q.

I would also second this recommendation to forego LCD and go plasma.

Given that he is your father-in-law, I very much doubt that he'd be into gaming and PC stuff. He'd probably use the TV for movies and cable viewing. Thing is, there is no 46-incher for plasmas. Only 42" (around 40k+), 50" (around P70k+) and above.

anya618 · « **Reply #5 on:** Nov 29, 2009 at 08:44 PM »

yes definitely for cable viewing and movies lang sir

blued888 · « **Reply #6 on:** Nov 29, 2009 at 10:03 PM »

Quote from: anya618 on Nov 29, 2009 at 08:44 PM

yes definitely for cable viewing and movies lang sir

Would suggest plasma nalang ang kunin mo unless of course he very much insists on LCD. I'm pretty sure solve na siya sa 50C10.

StarSlayer · « **Reply #7 on:** Nov 30, 2009 at 02:19 PM »

Motion Interpolation Technology of the variouse brands (Source Wikipeida)

* Hitachi - Reel120[2]
* Insigna - DCM Plus, for Digital Clear Motion 120Hz
* LG - TruMotion 120Hz, 240Hz
* Panasonic - Intelligent Frame Creation (IFC)
* Philips - HD Digital Natural Motion[3]
* Samsung - Auto Motion Plus 120 Hz[4], 240 Hz
* Sharp - Fine Motion Enhanced[5]
* Sony - MotionFlow 100Hz, 100Hz PRO (XBR series, Australia), 120Hz, 200Hz, 240Hz.[6][7]
* Vizio - MEMC (Motion Estimation, Motion Compensation)[8]

From my own experience of this feature (LG's Trumotion), it helps to smoothen the motion in the picture. Very evident ito sa mga panning shots. Motion ng mga tao nagiging smooth din almost as if the camera used captured it at a very high frame rate. Some people don't like it though as it can give films a very clear almost "soap opera" or "documentary like effect.

blued888 · « **Reply #8 on:** Nov 30, 2009 at 03:32 PM »

Quote from: StarSlayer on Nov 30, 2009 at 02:19 PM

Motion Interpolation Technology of the variouse brands (Source Wikipeida)

* Hitachi - Reel120[2]
* Insigna - DCM Plus, for Digital Clear Motion 120Hz
* LG - TruMotion 120Hz, 240Hz
* Panasonic - Intelligent Frame Creation (IFC)
* Philips - HD Digital Natural Motion[3]
* Samsung - Auto Motion Plus 120 Hz[4], 240 Hz
* Sharp - Fine Motion Enhanced[5]
* Sony - MotionFlow 100Hz, 100Hz PRO (XBR series, Australia), 120Hz, 200Hz, 240Hz.[6][7]
* Vizio - MEMC (Motion Estimation, Motion Compensation)[8]

From my own experience of this feature (LG's Trumotion), it helps to smoothen the motion in the picture. Very evident ito sa mga panning shots. Motion ng mga tao nagiging smooth din almost as if the camera used captured it at a very high frame rate. Some people don't like it though as it can give films a very clear almost "soap opera" or "documentary like effect.

This MotionFlow technology is the feature in LCD TVs that make the film appear to be "live", am I correct? Or is that something else?

Philander · « **Reply #9 on:** Nov 30, 2009 at 04:03 PM »

Nauna ang Philips sa ganyang Technology.

They have Pixel Plus which is DNM (Digital Natural Motion). It was later on implemented in Intervideo WinDVD 7 to 8, so even if your panel does not have DNM, you can use your PC to try natural motion.

Philander · « **Reply #10 on:** Nov 30, 2009 at 04:11 PM »

Also dont confuse this TV feature/technology to refresh rates. Plasma utilize better refresh rate thus Motion blur caused by display is negligable. Unlike LCD, they need good refresh rate so the image will shown in time this is because LCD has lower response time.

Clondalkin · « **Reply #11 on:** Nov 30, 2009 at 04:39 PM »

Quote from: blued888 on Nov 30, 2009 at 03:32 PM

This MotionFlow technology is the feature in LCD TVs that make the film appear to be "live", am I correct? Or is that something else?

Yun na nga. People use different phrases to describe it. soap opera look, home video look, documentary look, 8mm movie look, NBA super fast cam look, and yours which is "live"...and Im wishing my Plasma could simulate that look..pretty cool effect actually.

jackryan · « **Reply #12 on:** Nov 30, 2009 at 09:25 PM »

Quote from: Philander on Nov 30, 2009 at 04:03 PM

Nauna ang Philips sa ganyang Technology.

They have Pixel Plus which is DNM (Digital Natural Motion). It was later on implemented in Intervideo WinDVD 7 to 8, so even if your panel does not have DNM, you can use your PC to try natural motion.

This is a very good set of information.

I wonder if NMT's can incorporate this feature into their offerings too...

Thanks!

jackryan · « **Reply #13 on:** Nov 30, 2009 at 09:26 PM »

Quote from: Philander on Nov 30, 2009 at 04:03 PM

Nauna ang Philips sa ganyang Technology.

They have Pixel Plus which is DNM (Digital Natural Motion). It was later on implemented in Intervideo WinDVD 7 to 8, so even if your panel does not have DNM, you can use your PC to try natural motion.

This was also the reason why I got my Philips TV before because of this feature then several years back. My current Samsung LCD implements this but I think the generation 7 / 8 implemented this feature much better!

anya618 · « **Reply #14 on:** Nov 30, 2009 at 09:36 PM »

noob question: ano difference ng 120hz sa 240hz?

Philander · « **Reply #15 on:** Dec 01, 2009 at 12:11 AM »

Quote from: jackryan on Nov 30, 2009 at 09:25 PM

This is a very good set of information.

I wonder if NMT's can incorporate this feature into their offerings too...

Thanks!

What is the usual processor speed of NMTs?

The Philips Pixel Plus has I think (if Im not mistaken) uses about 2Ghz processor in order to enable DNM features, kaya mahal ang Pixel Plus before. Even WinDVD 7/8 needed high speed CPU to enable DNM, if you use lower processor you may encounter video stuttering.

I really like LG's implementation (compared to pricey Samsung) of this feature to their LH70 series

Philander · « **Reply #16 on:** Dec 01, 2009 at 12:31 AM »

This Technology is called motion interpolation.

Philips incorporated the technology made by TrimensionDNM and named it as Pixel Plus

lestercallanta · « **Reply #17 on:** Dec 01, 2009 at 02:09 AM »

Quote from: Clondalkin on Nov 30, 2009 at 04:39 PM

Yun na nga. People use different phrases to describe it. soap opera look, home video look, documentary look, 8mm movie look, NBA super fast cam look, and yours which is "live"...and Im wishing my Plasma could simulate that look..pretty cool effect actually.

I used to think that the "video" mode is only applicable to LCD flat panel TVs. Until I noticed that even the plasma panels from LG, particularly the PS70 (50 & 60 inch) series have this subtle capability too. However, LG's TruMotion 240hz is too much. My 5 year old saw one at the store and he told me he didn't like that TV. When I asked why, he said because it moved too fast

It is only evident in Blu Ray discs. It could possibly be because of 24hz content and the LG is using some very efficient pulldown method.

Stagea · « **Reply #18 on:** Dec 01, 2009 at 05:01 AM »

Quote from: jackryan on Nov 30, 2009 at 09:25 PM

This is a very good set of information.

I wonder if NMT's can incorporate this feature into their offerings too...

Thanks!

The problem is that TVs don't accept 120Hz or 240Hz inputs. Thus, even if the NMT creates transitional frames to create 240fps motion from the 24/25/30/50/60fps source, it would have to cut it back down to 60fps max for the TV to accept the signal. So there is really no gain there, until TVs start supporting high input frame rates.

Some networked media players (at least some realtek-based ones) allow you to convert lower frame rate material to 60fps using a similar effect, if desired.

Plasmas have a high subfield rate, but the actual frame rate is still bound by the input in most cases, afaik. They do have faster response times (like CRTs), so the motion resolution is usually better.

fakuryu · « **Reply #19 on:** Dec 03, 2009 at 12:18 AM »

more info and a great read:

http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-6449_7-6792632-1.html

babed95 · « **Reply #20 on:** Dec 05, 2009 at 10:50 AM »

Quote from: Clondalkin on Nov 30, 2009 at 04:39 PM

Yun na nga. People use different phrases to describe it. soap opera look, home video look, documentary look, 8mm movie look, NBA super fast cam look, and yours which is "live"...and Im wishing my Plasma could simulate that look..pretty cool effect actually.

nakita ko na rin tong demo nila about motionflow sa bluray ng batman at first medyo magugulat ka ksi nga kakaiba yun nakikita mong itsura pro me kasamang pagtataka ksi nga naman batman pro mukang telenobela yun pinapanood mo tsaka nagmumuka na syang cartoonist lalo na sa kulay sobrang tapang pra sa akin lng naman i still prefer yun natural look or cinematic look ng isang movie, sa akin lng naman yun ewan ko sa iba.

Waxx · « **Reply #21 on:** Dec 05, 2009 at 11:09 AM »

ang tawag ko sa motion flow ay... "porn flick look"...

ayosbathere · « **Reply #22 on:** Dec 05, 2009 at 12:39 PM »

anya,

dim ba o bright room pag lalagyan ng TV? naka kuha ka na ba?

anya618 · « **Reply #23 on:** Dec 05, 2009 at 12:46 PM »

Quote from: ayosbathere on Dec 05, 2009 at 12:39 PM

anya,

dim ba o bright room pag lalagyan ng TV? naka kuha ka na ba?

hindi para sakin sir ung tv, sa biyenan ko. sa dining ata ilalagay dim ung room pero me lights naman

ayosbathere · « **Reply #24 on:** Dec 05, 2009 at 01:31 PM »

Quote from: anya618 on Dec 05, 2009 at 12:46 PM

hindi para sakin sir ung tv, sa biyenan ko. sa dining ata ilalagay dim ung room pero me lights naman

The reason I ask due to Plasma good in DIM/or darker room para resolved na yong Motion Flow. Check the area if you think hindi mag glare/o mag reflect yong lights sa screen then get the plasma.

anya618 · « **Reply #25 on:** Dec 05, 2009 at 01:41 PM »

Quote from: ayosbathere on Dec 05, 2009 at 01:31 PM

The reason I ask due to Plasma good in DIM/or darker room para resolved na yong Motion Flow. Check the area if you think hindi mag glare/o mag reflect yong lights sa screen then get the plasma.

walang glare sir