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Re: Panasonic 42X20 Review (2nd update with pic)
« Reply #120 on: Nov 30, 2010 at 02:36 PM »
@all
   medyo ot pero ano po ang mas ok sa dalawa?
                50c10 or  50x20

Got the 50c, 50x is too reflective for me...so for so good!

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Re: Panasonic 42X20 Review (2nd update with pic)
« Reply #121 on: Nov 30, 2010 at 03:25 PM »
hmm, sulit kaya ipalit to sa 37 ld460? for the same price.

lcd:plasma
37":42"
1080p:720p
built-in mediaplayer:none

If you can control the lighting conditions in your room, kakainin ng TV na eto ang LD460...hehehe

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Re: Panasonic 42X20 Review (2nd update with pic)
« Reply #122 on: Nov 30, 2010 at 04:24 PM »
@all
   medyo ot pero ano po ang mas ok sa dalawa?
                50c10 or  50x20

They're almost the same! The C10 has an advantage off-hand because it has a color management feature, that the X20 doesn't have. However, I don't use the color management feature of the C10 because it gives unnatural colors.

Side by side less the color management feature, mas maganda yung X20 ;)

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Re: Panasonic 42X20 Review (2nd update with pic)
« Reply #123 on: Nov 30, 2010 at 05:12 PM »
wow thanks so much carlo much appreciated!

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Re: Panasonic 42X20 Review (2nd update with pic)
« Reply #124 on: Nov 30, 2010 at 09:08 PM »
If you can control the lighting conditions in your room, kakainin ng TV na eto ang LD460...hehehe


that's my main concern... my lighting controls in room are thick curtains. hehe. baka di kayanin, may tumatagos pa din. di ko naman pwede alisin bintana.
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Re: Panasonic 42X20 Review (2nd update with pic)
« Reply #125 on: Nov 30, 2010 at 09:17 PM »
that's my main concern... my lighting controls in room are thick curtains. hehe. baka di kayanin, may tumatagos pa din. di ko naman pwede alisin bintana.
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You dont need to make your room totally dark on a plasma.  Generally, 150 lux can give you optimum image quality already.  Special case lang talaga yung V20 na kahit 1000 lux ay maganda pa rin.  Hehehe.

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Re: Panasonic 42X20 Review (2nd update with pic)
« Reply #126 on: Dec 01, 2010 at 03:20 AM »
You dont need to make your room totally dark on a plasma.  Generally, 150 lux can give you optimum image quality already.  Special case lang talaga yung V20 na kahit 1000 lux ay maganda pa rin.  Hehehe.

thanks, nakakatakot lang kasi mga feedback about the mirror like screen of the X20, i'm currently using an LD460 and there is virtually no reflection even in bright daylight, parang matte yung screen, frame lang yung makintab.

the V20 is way past my budget, hehe. pasko, dami gastos ;D

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Re: Panasonic 42X20 Review (2nd update with pic)
« Reply #127 on: Dec 01, 2010 at 08:31 PM »
thanks, nakakatakot lang kasi mga feedback about the mirror like screen of the X20, i'm currently using an LD460 and there is virtually no reflection even in bright daylight, parang matte yung screen, frame lang yung makintab.

the V20 is way past my budget, hehe. pasko, dami gastos ;D

Masmaganda try mo na lang yung tv ng side by side at SnS, that's what I did when I got my 50C10, just not sure if they still have stocks of C10 model.

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Re: Panasonic 42X20 Review (2nd update with pic)
« Reply #128 on: Dec 01, 2010 at 10:21 PM »
Masmaganda try mo na lang yung tv ng side by side at SnS, that's what I did when I got my 50C10, just not sure if they still have stocks of C10 model.

thanks, i'll definitely do a side by side with 42X20 and 37LD460 and if available 42C10, not sure if SnS is carrying the 42C10 and if it is at the same price point (29.5K).

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Re: Panasonic 42X20 Review (2nd update with pic)
« Reply #129 on: Dec 03, 2010 at 06:41 AM »
Mr qualitycontrol, how did the side by side go on the 42x20 and LD460? Thanks.

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Re: Panasonic 42X20 Review (2nd update with pic)
« Reply #130 on: Dec 03, 2010 at 06:47 AM »
Mr qualitycontrol, how did the side by side go on the 42x20 and LD460? Thanks.

dropping by SnS later. i think i'll end up taking home the 42x20... we'll see.  ;D

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Re: Panasonic 42X20 Review (2nd update with pic)
« Reply #131 on: Dec 03, 2010 at 10:58 AM »
mamumurublema kaya ako sa maintenance ng plasma? balak ko kasi lcd sana kahit i-style lang. xbox360 and destiny cable use lang.

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Re: Panasonic 42X20 Review (2nd update with pic)
« Reply #132 on: Dec 03, 2010 at 11:27 AM »
mamumurublema kaya ako sa maintenance ng plasma? balak ko kasi lcd sana kahit i-style lang. xbox360 and destiny cable use lang.
best option is audition  ;)

dropping by SnS later. i think i'll end up taking home the 42x20... we'll see.  ;D
im 99% sure youll get the 42" plasma, the screensize alone will dwarf 37" add the better PQ :D
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Re: Panasonic 42X20 Review (2nd update with pic)
« Reply #133 on: Dec 03, 2010 at 12:34 PM »
@mr quality,

s side by side comparison, musta naman and anong unit used for comparison. rank mo nga. TIA

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Re: Panasonic 42X20 Review (2nd update with pic)
« Reply #134 on: Dec 03, 2010 at 01:19 PM »
Sir Ninja, I saw the x20 yesterday, the glass really looks classy di mukhang 29.5k for a 42 incher..   :)
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Re: Panasonic 42X20 Review (2nd update with pic)
« Reply #135 on: Dec 03, 2010 at 01:40 PM »
mamumurublema kaya ako sa maintenance ng plasma? balak ko kasi lcd sana kahit i-style lang. xbox360 and destiny cable use lang.

What do you mean by maintenance?
Kailangan mo lang ay soft na pamunas, like any other kind of TV and monitor... ;D

Guys simple lang ang situation, kung OKS lang sa inyo ang reflective screen, this model is a major-general steal.

Pero kung may major major isyu ang reflection and you cant possibly solve it sa TV room, better na wag kayong magpilit dahil baka mabanas lang kayo - anti-reflective sheets on top of a 42 inch reflective plasma? not exactly fishball (feasible).

kapayapaan.

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Re: Panasonic 42X20 Review (2nd update with pic)
« Reply #136 on: Dec 03, 2010 at 02:17 PM »
mamumurublema kaya ako sa maintenance ng plasma? balak ko kasi lcd sana kahit i-style lang. xbox360 and destiny cable use lang.

Maintenance ng plasma vs LCD?  You mean madali bang masira?

From the posts here, sa tingin ko pareho lang na matibay ang plasma and LCD.  Pero minsan minamalas, sira agad whether plasma or LCD.  

May image retention issue nga ang plasma, may dead pixel issue naman ang LCD.  Maraming reklamo sa reflective screen ng low-end plasma, reflective din naman ang high-end Samsung LED screen, scratch-prone pa, kasi hindi glass, pero walang masyadong reklamo.

Pareho lang ...  ;)
      
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Re: Panasonic 42X20 Review (2nd update with pic)
« Reply #137 on: Dec 04, 2010 at 12:34 AM »
Pag di natuloy yung singapore ko, bili na ako ng plasma. mahirap mag transport ng plasma if ever. hehe.

thanks guys for your inputs. by the way, pwede ba mag pa program ng cable channels sa store before i-deliver?

eto kasi yung reason kaya na coconsider ko pa yung lg lcds.

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Re: Panasonic 42X20 Review (2nd update with pic)
« Reply #138 on: Dec 04, 2010 at 05:17 AM »
i was able to compare the 42x20 with the 32ld460 earlier at SnS.
verdict? size matters.  ;D

though contrast on the 460 was more saturated thus giving the impression of better colors, i still liked the overall balance of the x20 better.

movement on both tv's are ok. when it came to slow panning shots, the 460 was not that bad at all. plasma of course was a bit smoother.

the screen reflection on the x20 was definitely there, but not as bad as i imagined.. this on a shop with lots of lights.

as for image quality, not sure if it was the source (spiderman) but i was expecting a little less grainy-ness on these new tv's compared the 2 yr old 42PV80 at home but it's still there, maybe i'm expecting too much  :P

overall, i can't really say anything horrible about the ld460 to make this easier, it's a damn good tv. no wonder it has been selling like crazy. it's just that for my purpose the x20 serves me better.


look away if you are anti-rant
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had a not so pleasant experience with SnS earlier. i was there almost at opening and it took them 3hrs just to receive and inspect the unit i returned in order to upgrade to an x20. of course it is understandable that they would prioritize a new sale over a replacement.. still, 3hrs and i end up with no tv?

also as a tip, if you want to be able to swap your unit hassle free, make sure you don't remove any of the protective plastic sheets. this is the main reason i went home empty handed and still have to wait for them to decide if i get to swap. tv was in mint condition except that they told me the stand had tiny scratches. my tv is just about 2 weeks old, after unpacking and setting on the stand.. it stayed there till i packed it back in the box to return it.

this is my 2nd tv purchase with them and proudly refers them to every person i know that is in the market for a new tv. up till now i have had no complaints. we'll see, still hoping SnS delivers on their promise.
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Re: Panasonic 42X20 Review (2nd update with pic)
« Reply #139 on: Dec 04, 2010 at 05:39 AM »

<rant>
had a not so pleasant experience with SnS earlier. i was there almost at opening and it took them 3hrs just to receive and inspect the unit i returned in order to upgrade to an x20. of course it is understandable that they would prioritize a new sale over a replacement.. still, 3hrs and i end up with no tv?

also as a tip, if you want to be able to swap your unit hassle free, make sure you don't remove any of the protective plastic sheets. this is the main reason i went home empty handed and still have to wait for them to decide if i get to swap. tv was in mint condition except that they told me the stand had tiny scratches. my tv is just about 2 weeks old, after unpacking and setting on the stand.. it stayed there till i packed it back in the box to return it.

this is my 2nd tv purchase with them and proudly refers them to every person i know that is in the market for a new tv. up till now i have had no complaints. we'll see, still hoping SnS delivers on their promise.
</rant>
sent several SMS to vic before going there, mabilis naman yung transaction part, inspection was about 10 - 15 minutes.  ang mali ko lang i left the power cord ;D  so i had no choice but to go home.
in your case naman, maybe it took them a while to contact vic?  :)
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Re: Panasonic 42X20 Review (2nd update with pic)
« Reply #140 on: Dec 04, 2010 at 07:52 AM »
i was able to compare the 42x20 with the 32ld460 earlier at SnS.
verdict? size matters.  ;D

though contrast on the 460 was more saturated thus giving the impression of better colors, i still liked the overall balance of the x20 better.



as for image quality, not sure if it was the source (spiderman) but i was expecting a little less grainy-ness on these new tv's compared the 2 yr old 42PV80 at home but it's still there, maybe i'm expecting too much  :P


I'll go see the x20 tom. Was the Spiderman source on Bluray? Maybe the contrast on the 460 was set too high? Thanks!

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Re: Panasonic 42X20 Review (2nd update with pic)
« Reply #141 on: Dec 04, 2010 at 07:56 AM »
sent several SMS to vic before going there, mabilis naman yung transaction part, inspection was about 10 - 15 minutes.  ang mali ko lang i left the power cord ;D  so i had no choice but to go home.
in your case naman, maybe it took them a while to contact vic?  :)

i guess i should've texted vic beforehand as well.
were you able to get the replacement unit the same day?

wala tuloy tv sa isang bahay. what sucks is i still don't know how long i'll be tv-less. and if i can get the x20.
sana wag naman abutin ng xmas break. balak ko pa naman i-enjoy ang tv sa bakasyon.

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Re: Panasonic 42X20 Review (2nd update with pic)
« Reply #142 on: Dec 04, 2010 at 07:58 AM »
I think it's totally fair na thorough ang inspection of any item for replacement.   Mag-ingat kayong mabuti sa gamit in case you have plans or there is an option to replace within a limited period.  Yeah dapat wag nyong tanggalin yung mga protective plastic films kung meron possibility na you would replace or upgrade. Syempre ibebenta rin nila yon sa susunod na Customer and sino naman ang may gusto ng kahit isang scratch at the same price - lalo na ang Pinoy?

Maski sa Tokyo, magkaroon lang ng dent ang BOX or magusot lang ang manual, minus na kaagad sa value, paano pa ang scratches (no matter how tiny).  But hopefully, Vic would be kinder.  So goodluk.  That 1-month replacement offer if SnS is great, but replacement conditions have to be totally fair for both parties.

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Re: Panasonic 42X20 Review (2nd update with pic)
« Reply #143 on: Dec 04, 2010 at 08:01 AM »
I think it's totally fair na thorough ang inspection of any item for replacement.   Mag-ingat kayong mabuti sa gamit in case you have plans or there is an option to replace within a limited period.  Yeah dapat wag nyong tanggalin yung mga protective plastic films kung meron possibility na you would replace or upgrade. Syempre ibebenta rin nila yon sa susunod na Customer and sino naman ang may gusto ng kahit isang scratch at the same price - lalo na ang Pinoy?

Maski sa Tokyo, magkaroon lang ng dent ang BOX or magusot lang ang manual, minus na kaagad sa value, paano pa ang scratches (no matter how tiny).  But hopefully, Vic would be kinder.  So goodluk.  That 1-month replacement offer if SnS is great, but replacement conditions have to be totally fair for both parties.


yep, that's why i was waaaaaay more patient than usual, 3hrs wait (at wala pa ko tulog nun). inspection was relatively quick, what was painful was waiting around for a.) someone to get the unit from the car b.) waiting for them to finally inspect it and c.) waiting for the decision on what will happen next.

disappointed? of course, i was expecting the best (that there were stocks and i could take it home at once) but i also get that this is a perk, a value added service that's why i was not all raging when they told me i'd have to wait for their call if i can avail of the upgrade.

haaay, please vic be my santa :)
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Re: Panasonic 42X20 Review (2nd update with pic)
« Reply #144 on: Dec 04, 2010 at 08:28 AM »
i guess i should've texted vic beforehand as well.
were you able to get the replacement unit the same day?
yes i got it the same day, they were actually offering me the option for delivery as they were worried how i would transport the 50" tv.   taxi lang kasi and 42" with box barely fits a corolla cab (big body)    :D

wala tuloy tv sa isang bahay. what sucks is i still don't know how long i'll be tv-less. and if i can get the x20.
sana wag naman abutin ng xmas break. balak ko pa naman i-enjoy ang tv sa bakasyon.
im sure a few text message and confirmation call should seal the deal.  ;)
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Re: Panasonic 42X20 Review (2nd update with pic)
« Reply #145 on: Dec 06, 2010 at 04:53 AM »
grabe gusto ko na talaga bumili nito. ilang watts pala sya? kumusta naman performance sa xbox 360?

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Re: Panasonic 42X20 Review (2nd update with pic)
« Reply #146 on: Dec 06, 2010 at 05:33 AM »
^ Go go na sir, bili na  ;D

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Re: Panasonic 42X20 Review (2nd update with pic)
« Reply #147 on: Dec 06, 2010 at 09:54 AM »
gusto ko na din talaga ng plasma since last year c10 pa uso. kaso di kaya ko buhatin to siguro kapag nagkaproblem solo lang ako sa bahay.

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Re: Panasonic 42X20 Review (2nd update with pic)
« Reply #148 on: Dec 06, 2010 at 11:18 AM »
Got this TV last week, upgraded from the 37LD460 I got last month. Had the slight problem with settings posted earlier, but now it's been resolved. This is my 3rd TV, having gone from an LG 32LH70YR to the LG 37LD460 to the Panasonic 42X20. While the LG has produced really good LCD TVs, I'd have to say that Panasonic Plasma this is indeed the better choice and best deal.

Size really does matter! I'll always recommend people go for the bigger size screen for the same amount of money. Despite the lower 720p resolution, it is just as good to watch as the 1080p since my movies are still in DVD. At the correct viewing distance, the resolution really is not discernable; you'd have to be sitting 2 feet away to really notice any difference, and that misses the point of having a 42'' screen.

To compare the experience, use a CG movie like Bolt or Wally on DVD, you'd have to be really OC and nitpicking to see any difference. But if you're OC and nitpicky, no TV will ever satisfy you, you will always find something you don't like.

Between resolution and speed, I would recommend that people go for speed; a smooth 720p is better than a juddery/jerky/blurry 1080p.  Not that I would always go for 120/240Hz; but as long as its faster than 60Hz it will be ok. Although the problems are not often noticeable in the LD460, it really pops out and screams at the eyes at the times when they are. For example, the dogfight scene in Lost in Space and the missile chase scene in Behind Enemy Lines. I was really surprised at how uncomfortably blurry the scenes were in the opening dogfight, especially where the camera zooms in on Matt LeBlanc in the bubblefighter's cockpit. In Behind Enemy Lines, the LCD visibly dropped a few frames from the shot of the missile's "shotgun blast" just before it hit the RF-18. No such problems on the plasma.

While the LG's numerous control options seem like an attractive feature, the simpler controls on the Panasonic actually make for an easier tweaking to suit individual tastes because it is less complicated and gets faster results. With elaborate controls, you have to tweak way too many independent settings and balance them against each other, so that more often you just give up and go back to the presets. With simpler controls, tweaking via the THX Optimizer on Lucasfilm DVDs works well enough for the purpose.

As for the reflective screen, I don't think it should be a deal-breaker. If you're looking for reflections, you're not paying attention to what's showing. The eye actually tends to focus on the image presented and automatically shut out/look past the reflections on the screen surface. It also makes the TV really good and clean (and expensive) when turned off.

Color and speed more than make up for the 30% difference in resolution between 720p and 1080p. Add the size, and you've really got the best and most cost-effective deal for such a quality plasma screen! So in short, when choosing, in terms of priority, I recommend size, speed, color, resolution. 42x20 fits the bill very well!

So get 'em while you can, folks! Thanks SnS!
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Re: Panasonic 42X20 Review (2nd update with pic)
« Reply #149 on: Dec 07, 2010 at 09:39 AM »
convincing. kaso wala ata stock based sa kabilang thread.