Topic: The Religion Thread

[tigkal]

Judas i believed ay hindi tunay na anak ng Diyos, but he is one of the apostles and he also perfromed miracles, nagpagaling ng mga may sakit in Jesus name.

for without faith it is impossible to please God. God or the bible never said that for without heart it is impossible to please God. God requires faith not what is in our heart. in fact the Bible mentioned that our heart is exceedingly wicked. our heart is the main reason why we cant follow the last commandment (#10) of ten commandment (the rest we can follow them).

Without Judas, there will be no salvation since Christ will not die in the cross. That is according to my drinking buddy. We should be thankful to Judas since without him no salvation, no dying in the cross. The motive of Judas in following Christ was different from what was the intention. Because what was spoken was difficult to understand. Similar to the beginning of man, when God said eating the fruit will cause death, it does not mean death as the usual death. But when Lucifer informed what the fruit will do to the couple, it really did happen.

[barrister]

Without Judas, there will be no salvation since Christ will not die in the cross. That is according to my drinking buddy. We should be thankful to Judas since without him no salvation, no dying in the cross.

Ang role ni Hudas, ituro lang sa sundalo si Hesus. 

Kung hindi si Hudas ang magtuturo, maraming iba na puwedeng magturo.  Ang daming nakakakilala kay Hesus, ang daming kalaban niya na puwedeng mag identify.  Mahirap isipin na isang tao lang ang puwede at wala nang iba.

Similar to the beginning of man, when God said eating the fruit will cause death, it does not mean death as the usual death. But when Lucifer informed what the fruit will do to the couple, it really did happen.

Ang kaibahan, immortal sina Adan at Eba noong sinabihan sila ng Diyos.  Pag sinabing mamamatay sila pag kinain ang prutas, hindi automatically ibig sabihing immediate, patay na; ibig sabihin mawawalan lang ng immortality. 

Sa panahon ngayon, pag sinabing mamamatay ka pag kinain mo ang prutas, ang ibig sabihin, mamamatay ka agad. Kasi hindi tayo immortal, at lahat tayo mamamatay rin eventually, kainin man natin o hindi ang prutas.

Mahabang usapin yan, mali na naman kasi ang translation ng original Hebrew.


(Alam ko na yung maling sagot na "spiritual death" daw ang tinutukoy ng Diyos, kaya wag n'yo nang ipaliwanag yung  mababaw na sagot na yon...   )

[rexFi]

What if: Could Anakin Skywalker have chosen not to become Darth Vader?

^ Ayos ang discussion dito sa link re freewill ni Anakin.

[majoe]

Neither that a man exercise his "free will" not to wear the clothes God gave them.

They were not forced to wear but provided to wear.

In line with your presentation, Did God force Adam  or it is the choice of Adam to sleep in the verse below:

21So the Lord God caused the man to fall into a deep sleep; and while he was sleeping, he took one of the man’s ribsg and then closed up the place with flesh. 22Then the Lord God made a woman from the ribh he had taken out of the man, and he brought her to the man

pati ba naman yan i connect mo sa freewill / predestination issue mo.
ginawa at inihanda ang mundo para sa tao, lahat mabuti. e natural, kasama pa rin yan. God provides our needs. Yung wants, e choice mo na siguro yun.

limited kasi ang free will. parang nung ipinanganak ka hanggang nasa pangangalaga ka pa ng magulang mo. may magagawa ka ba kung anong gustong isuot nila sa iyo o ipakain sa iyo nung maliit ka pa? wala di ba? pero alam ng parents mo nakakabuti sa iyo.  di ka rin pwede lumayas kung san mo gusto, dami restrictions.  kasi nasa pangagalaga ka pa nila. pero pag nasa tamang gulang ka na, pwede mo na gawin gusto mo pero alam mo na rin nun kung ano ang tama o mali.

ganun din naman sa pagtanda mo, may magagawa ka pa ba kung ano gawin sa iyo kung hirap ka na kumilos?

[pTrader]

pati ba naman yan i connect mo sa freewill / predestination issue mo.
ginawa at inihanda ang mundo para sa tao, lahat mabuti. e natural, kasama pa rin yan. God provides our needs. Yung wants, e choice mo na siguro yun.

limited kasi ang free will. parang nung ipinanganak ka hanggang nasa pangangalaga ka pa ng magulang mo. may magagawa ka ba kung anong gustong isuot nila sa iyo o ipakain sa iyo nung maliit ka pa? wala di ba? pero alam ng parents mo nakakabuti sa iyo.  di ka rin pwede lumayas kung san mo gusto, dami restrictions.  kasi nasa pangagalaga ka pa nila. pero pag nasa tamang gulang ka na, pwede mo na gawin gusto mo pero alam mo na rin nun kung ano ang tama o mali.

ganun din naman sa pagtanda mo, may magagawa ka pa ba kung ano gawin sa iyo kung hirap ka na kumilos?

I am addressing free will sir not pre-destination on the context of the previous poster which i replied with.

[Klaus Weasley]

Comedian Jim Jeffries on God.

[dpogs]

Comedian Jim Jeffries on God.

nothing new... another comedian

[tony]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwkgGPvClF4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OAag8mgdexk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5e-1sBM9FE

[Klaus Weasley]

[rascal101]

^Ang taong nasa tama ang pag-iisip relihiyoso man o hindi, hindi lang iisang libro binabasa. Alam din niya na wala sa lugar magyabang ng kanyang nalalaman sapagkat ang kanyang kapwa maari ring magkaroon na kaalaman na pantay o higit pa sa kanya.

Ang taong wala sa tamang pag-isip ang nag-iisip na marami na siyang nalalaman bagkus konti lang kanyang nabasa.

[bashi]

I'd like to ask everyone to spend a few seconds of their time to pray or keep in their thoughts all the sick children right now, anak ng friend ko is really sick, praying for a miracle for all the children in need all over the world

[dpogs]

Dito natin ituloy ang paguusap tungkol sa Book of Life.

Revelation 17:8 KJV - The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

Revelation 13:8 KJV - And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

[pTrader]

Dito natin ituloy ang paguusap tungkol sa Book of Life.

Revelation 17:8 KJV - The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

Revelation 13:8 KJV - And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

please continue..

[barrister]

Dito natin ituloy ang paguusap tungkol sa Book of Life.

Revelation 17:8 KJV - The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

Revelation 13:8 KJV - And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Sa predestination pupunta si sir pTrader.

Para magkaroon ng direction ang usapan, clarify mo muna, kapatid:

Do you believe those verses prove predestination in the bible? 

[pTrader]

Sa predestination pupunta si sir pTrader.

Para magkaroon ng direction ang usapan, clarify mo muna, kapatid:

Do you believe those verses prove predestination in the bible?

kakatawa ka sir, all  along puro predestination ang  nasa isip  mo about pTrader..

since book of life yan, and again nakasulat  ba sa book of life ang pangalan mo?

[Klaus Weasley]

[pTrader]

Religion  will say  do this  and  do  that ,  follow  this  and follow that  in  order  to  be saved and be accepted by God however God's message for the believers "For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— not by works, so that no one can boast. "

[barrister]

kakatawa ka sir, all  along puro predestination ang  nasa isip  mo about pTrader..

In his quoted verses, sir dpogs underscored "book of life" and "from the foundation of the world."

You say you will not go to the topic of predestination?

Why don't you explain the meaning of the underscored "book of life" and "from the foundation of the world" without going to the topic of predestination and let's see.

[pTrader]

In his quoted verses, sir dpogs underscored "book of life" and "from the foundation of the world."

You say you will not go to the topic of predestination?

Why don't you explain the meaning of the underscored "book of life" and "from the foundation of the world" without going to the topic of predestination and let's see.

and why can't you answer  this directly:

since book of life yan, and again nakasulat  ba sa book of life ang pangalan mo?

[barrister]

Because I choose not to answer. 

If you choose not to answer any of my questions, ok lang, hindi na kita kukulitin sir.

[pTrader]

Because I choose not to answer. 

If you choose not to answer any of my questions, ok lang, hindi na kita kukulitin sir.

you choose  not  to answer because?

[barrister]

O, ako na naman ang tinanong?

Para fair, dapat tanungin din kita sir.

Is your name written in the Book of Life? 

[pTrader]

O, ako na naman ang tinanong?

Para fair, dapat tanungin din kita sir.

Is your name written in the Book of Life? 

Yes, by the grace of God.

[pTrader]

Yes, by the grace of God.

your turn now..

[barrister]

It can't be my turn to answer a question about myself.  I already chose not to answer a question about myself.

You also had the right to refuse to answer a question about yourself, so that's fair to both sides.


Now let's go to a topic that's not about you, but about the bible.

If a name is written in the Book of Life, when was it first written there?  Is it possible for a name written in the Book of Life to be subsequently erased?

[pTrader]

It can't be my turn to answer a question about myself.  I already chose not to answer a question about myself.
You also had the right to refuse to answer a question about yourself, so that's fair to both sides.
Now let's go to a question that's not about you, but about the bible.
If a name is written in the Book of Life, when was it first written there?  Is it possible for a name written in the Book of Life to be subsequently erased?

sir, mababasa mo lahat  ng doctrina ng lahat ng religion, secta at mga kagaya nito sir,  magpalitan at magdebate about the Bible, still the questions are, Ako ba ay anak ng Dios, nakasulat ba ang pangalan ko sa aklat ng buhay?

[barrister]

You mean your name has been written in the Book of Life since the foundation of the world, and it is impossible for your name to ever be erased from the Book of Life.

Since the foundation of the world, you were predestined to go to heaven, and it is impossible for you not to go to heaven.

Di ba ganon?

Buti ka pa sir...

[pTrader]

You mean your name has been written in the Book of Life since the foundation of the world, and it is impossible for your name to ever be erased from the Book of Life.

Since the foundation of the world, you were predestined to go to heaven, and it is impossible for you not to go to heaven.

Di ba ganon?

Buti ka pa sir...

Kung ang Dios matapos kang bigyan ng buhay na  walang hanggan ay pabago bago ng isip, wala ni isa  mang pangako Niya ang pwedeng panghawakan. Inde iyan ang Dios na ipinakilala ng Kasulatan.

Buti ka pa sir...

Inde "Buti ka pa sir...", naawa  ang Dios sa akin  at sa lahat ng hinirang Niya.

But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for his own possession, that you may proclaim the excellencies of him who called you out of darkness into his marvelous light. Once you were not a people, but now you are God’s people; once you had not received mercy, but now you have received mercy.

[panzimus]

wow sir pTrader, you are really claiming na nakasulat ang name mo sa Book of Life. May I know how can you be so sure?

[pTrader]

wow sir pTrader, you are really claiming na nakasulat ang name mo sa Book of Life. May I know how can you be so sure?

I am not  claiming pero ibinilang sa mga taong iniligtas ng Panginoong Hesus.
Ang Dios kasi nagugusap sa atin at nagpapatunay sa atin ng ating kaligtasan at buhay na walang hanggan.

kung pano siya nangusap kay Zacchaeus, ganun di  sa  mga taong  sinagip niya.

And Jesus said to him, “Today salvation has come to this house, since he also is a son of Abraham.

kung  sinagip ka Niya kagaya ni Zacchaeus,  ganun din malalaman  mong isa ikaw sa tapagmana sa pamamagitan ng Dios.

sa Dios lahat ng kaluwalhatian, pagsamba at papuri.

Sapat ang Kasulatan para masagot ang katanungang "nakasulat ba ang pangalan ko sa aklat ng buhay?"
Ito ay pinatutunayan ng Dios sa Kanyang ginawa at ginagawa sa buhay  mo.