Ok, I'll bite What is the purpose? And please don't quote the Bible because the existence of God is in question in these discussions. Accepting your quotes means the existence of God is accepted as well.
I don't recall evading any question. You said keep looking for the smart dog. I said I wasn't looking. And then you said,
" i take it you mean that even without the smart dog the Mona Lisa will paint itself! So, you really have more faith in chance."
And I said, I wasn't looking for a smart dog, period. And I already gave a metaphor right? The rock formations, remember?
Hahaha sure no bible quotes! It seems that lines between 3 threads are beginning to blur…..creation, atheism and religion. Medyo OT na yata…
Last night, I was helping my daughter to look for quotes on science on google and I found one from a little known scientist and physicist named Albert Einstein, so allow me to quote him instead; “Science without religion is lame; Religion without science is blind!”
This discussion on purpose stemmed from sir bumblebee’s statement “yeah, if everything were created purposely”. First is the question of “creation”, was it spontaneous or directed?, If your view is spontaneous then the assumption is it was without purpose it just exist. If it was directed then the assumption was there was purpose….that is where the assumption that atheist/evolutionist belief of no purpose in the universe whatsoever. If some says that is “crap” well that is your point of view. The contradiction to me is the claim or belief that Man happened by chance and random event and yet Man’s every action is always motivated by objective and purpose. Accepting purpose in the acts of man while denying purpose in the creation of man, that is not in the realm of scientific research or experiment that is a product of a person’s belief system…..his religion(for a lack of a better word). It’s the religion of atheism.
Just what do we mean when we say purpose or there is purpose. It means there is a goal or objective in mind for every action or creation. Was the existence of purpose in man based on his own decision or is it somehow ingrained in our intellect/spirit and we as sentient beings discovers it? The answer to that question is greatly influenced by the person’s worldview…
Is it logical to think that when a carpenter is building a house in which all the rooms, windows, doors, decors have been built with a particular purpose in mind, while the house itself as a whole has been built without any objective or purpose?
Or is it logical to think that when man was made consisting of various parts like eyes, feet, heart, digestive system, nervous system, circulatory systems all with apparent purpose, but collectively man himself has none?
Furthermore we as people continuously aim and plan every detail of our lives…education, job, work, sports, and yes, we plan our home theater system in great detail…..all these connotes goal, objective….purpose!
Man is both matter and intellect and therefore our purpose in life encompasses both of these aspects of our being. What I’ve mention earlier are mostly in terms of matter.
Now in terms of intellect or spirit(although some may not believe we have one)….I think our main purpose in this life is Stewardship of the earth. We are here to take care of our home/earth, family and neighbor pure and simple…..actions like loving your wife and children, taking care of the environment, feeding the hungry, and looking for peace….are somehow a fulfilment of our purpose even though some will not acknowledge this because of their worldview…
On the metaphor of the painting: First we recognize and accept that a painting exists….like the Monalisa. There are only 3 ways for the painting to exist and be observed; one a painter exists, two Monalisa painted herself, three a smart dog painter exists…since the first is a metaphor for creation, that leaves Evolution with only two options.
Just like not allowing me to use bible quotes, using rock formation is not a valid metaphor since that is part and parcel of the very thing we are thing we are discussing….creation of man and the universe.