Topic: Newbie & Not-so Noob Thread: Questions (FAQ) on Receivers/Amplifiers

[rockysta!]

unfortunately the  cheaply offered SAMSUNG BD-D5100 to me has no optical out only digital coaxial audio OUT..

   bye bye true surround experience for my old AVR

[warmaster]

unfortunately the  cheaply offered SAMSUNG BD-D5100 to me has no optical out only digital coaxial audio OUT..

   bye bye true surround experience for my old AVR

wala bang coax input yung avr mo? di ba standard yun until now?

[rockysta!]

wala bang coax input yung avr mo? di ba standard yun until now?

                 meron po coax input old avr ko pero diba hindi na yun tru surround like you said earlier? or i might be wrong of my understanding?   magkaiba po ba yun rca and digital coaxial kasi magkamukha lang din  [me stupid :-[]  ..bopol po kasi ako when it comes to tech hekhek..

[warmaster]

yep digital din yung coax capable of delivering surround sound. mas mura pa coax cables kesa sa toslink 

[jarod]

yep digital din yung coax capable of delivering surround sound. mas mura pa coax cables kesa sa toslink 

Aside from the physical properties, how does the two really differ in performance? Or it is just proprietary based?

[raider125jeigh]

Ok lang naman ata kung walang standby passthru feature. Baka naman most of the time, when you watch movies, you'll be using your AVR din naman. 

may passthrough pla ung receiver ko ang galing hehehehe

just tried it today and it works

[Nelson de Leon]

Aside from the physical properties, how does the two really differ in performance? Or it is just proprietary based?

Some say that digital coax cable is better in shorter runs. Others say it doesn't matter. The way i understand why better ang digital coax, is because before maging optical signal, may conversion pa na ginagawa from electric digital signal to optical and same with the receiving end. Although the quality of conversion would of surely be dependent on the manufacturer ng device. Unlike sa digital coax, na may minimal loss. Mahabang topic yun.  Dati naka-coax ako from source to my DAC. Kaso walang isolator ang DAC ko so nag-optical ako. Didn't hear the difference though.

[22owen]

 what is DAC sir nelson?

[Nelson de Leon]

what is DAC sir nelson?

Digital to Analog Converter.

[rockysta!]

heres my cheap receiver back panel.. [pic borrowed from the net]
and believe it or not i never tried to use those pre out L R SURROUND,CENTER, SUB coz im not sure if it would be audible?  

[dahil tanging  sa speaker line lang ako nagkakabit ng speaker  dahil yun lang ang  inaakala ko na audible port:-[...nakakahiya man pero yun ang totoo]

my new STUPID question is pag sinaksak ko ba yung RCA speaker wire  DIRECTLY from my speakers sa pre out netong receiver L R SURROUND center, sub, eh may lalabas na  DIGITAL AUDIO?     heres my config... [ TV HDMI INPUT TO BD PLAYER... FROM BD PLAYER  AUDIO OPTICAL OUT TO my receiver DIGITAL  optical input]      can this be possible for tru surround experience?
 
haay sana wag naman magsawa ang mga masters dito sumagot





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@WARMASTER..sorry sir but my cheap receiver has no coax audio input   analog audio lang

[warmaster]

ayun yung digital audio mo brother, optical input. yun nga lang yung center and surround mo ay pre out which means kailangan mo pa ng separate amps to power those speakers kasi pre out lang siya at hindi lineout.

[Nelson de Leon]

heres my cheap receiver back panel.. [pic borrowed from the net]
and believe it or not i never tried to use those pre out L R SURROUND,CENTER, SUB coz im not sure if it would be audible?
[dahil tanging  sa speaker line lang ako nagkakabit ng speaker  dahil yun lang ang  inaakala ko na audible port:-[...nakakahiya man pero yun ang totoo]
my new STUPID question is pag sinaksak ko ba yung RCA speaker wire  DIRECTLY from my speakers sa pre out netong receiver L R SURROUND center, sub, eh may lalabas na  DIGITAL AUDIO?     heres my config... [ TV HDMI INPUT TO BD PLAYER... FROM BD PLAYER  AUDIO OPTICAL OUT TO my receiver DIGITAL  optical input]      can this be possible for tru surround experience?
haay sana wag naman magsawa ang mga masters dito sumagot
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@WARMASTER..sorry sir but my cheap receiver has no coax audio input   analog audio lang

ayun yung digital audio mo brother, optical input. yun nga lang yung center and surround mo ay pre out which means kailangan mo pa ng separate amps to power those speakers kasi pre out lang siya at hindi lineout.

And unfortunately, wala atang DTS decoding capability.

@rockysta! If your lookin for real surround capability, best if you could purchase na lang a preowned receiver if you have limited budget. The cost of buying external amps to power the surround and center might be the same or mas mahal pa kesa preowned receiver. Plus kung i think limited sa dolby digital ang capability niya.

[warmaster]

And unfortunately, wala atang DTS decoding capability.

@rockysta! If your lookin for real surround capability, best if you could purchase na lang a preowned receiver if you have limited budget. The cost of buying external amps to power the surround and center might be the same or mas mahal pa kesa preowned receiver. Plus kung i think limited sa dolby digital ang capability niya.

i second the motion. scour the marketplace of pdvd at maraming budget pre owned av recievers na may coax, optical and can decode both DTS and dolby digital

[rockysta!]

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  another AMPS       hilong talelong na ako sa connection ng isang receiver dagdag pa ulit ng isang amp  

      meron pa ako isang mumurahing mini i hope [BUT I DOUBT]  this could cater the input needs and power for the surround and center pre out....

 mg]


            

And unfortunately, wala atang DTS decoding capability.

@rockysta! If your lookin for real surround capability, best if you could purchase na lang a preowned receiver if you have limited budget. The cost of buying external amps to power the surround and center might be the same or mas mahal pa kesa preowned receiver. Plus kung i think limited sa dolby digital ang capability niya.

     di pa kasi ako makakuha ng leave credits sa office..  gusto ko sana yun HK156 for  my small room HT hindi na kaya ako mahihirapan mag set up ng connections sa HK156? me HDMI na kasi less wires

[Nelson de Leon]

     di pa kasi ako makakuha ng leave credits sa office..  gusto ko sana yun HK156 for  my small room HT hindi na kaya ako mahihirapan mag set up ng connections sa HK156? me HDMI na kasi less wires

I'm not familiar with the specs of receivers. Just make sure na your receiver can process audio signals via HDMI. At least hindi ka man future proof. Updated na ang receiver model mo compared to your older receiver. That is, if you want to experience encoded surround sound and hindi prologic surround.

[warmaster]

@rockysta!

+1 kay master nelson. hindi lahat ng HDMI capable reciever ay kaya tumanggap ng audio through HDMI. kaya habang wala pang budget, research muna on different recievers para malaman mo kung ano yung mga features na importante sayo. (i.e. standby pass through, 3d capable, HD audio, etc)

[22owen]

Digital to Analog Converter.

    thanks for that sir!

[rockysta!]

  here's the link po masters...http://uk.harmankardon.com/harman-kardon-product-detail-uk/avr-156-.html

[Nelson de Leon]

  here's the link po masters...http://uk.harmankardon.com/harman-kardon-product-detail-uk/avr-156-.html

Tagal mag D/L ng PDF manual. Check with dealers na lang. 

[rockysta!]

 juice ko po mamatay nalang yata akong di manlang malasap sa aking maralitang hapag ang tru surround?
 

 heto po yung ilang pahina HANGO sa  manual ng HK156

Surround Modes
There are different theories as to the best way to present surround sound and to distribute
the individual channel information to the surround-sound system’s speakers. A variety
of algorithms have been developed in an effort to recreate the way we hear sounds in
the real world, resulting in a rich variety of options. Several companies have developed
different surround-sound technologies, all of which can be accurately reproduced by
your AVR:
•• Dolby Laboratories: Dolby TrueHD, Dolby Digital Plus, Dolby Digital, Dolby Digital EX,
Dolby Pro Logic II.
•• DTS: DTS-HD™ High Resolution Audio, DTS-HD Master Audio™, DTS, DTS 96/24™.

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AVR 156
Surround Mode Description Incoming Bitstream or Signal
Dolby Digital Provides up to five separate main audio channels and a dedicated low-frequency
effects (LFE) channel.
••Dolby Digital 1/0/.0 or .1, 2/0/.0 or .1, 3/0/.0 or .1,
2/1/.0 or .1, 2/2/.0 or .1, 3/2/.0 or .1
••Dolby Digital EX (played as 5.1)
••Dolby Digital Plus decoded and delivered via coaxial or optical
connection
Dolby Digital Plus An enhanced version of Dolby Digital encoded more efficiently, Dolby Digital Plus
has the capacity for additional discrete channels and for streaming audio from the
Internet, all with enhanced audio quality. Source material may be delivered via an
HDMI connection or decoded to Dolby Digital or PCM and transmitted via coaxial or
optical digital audio.
••Dolby Digital Plus via HDMI connection (source device decodes to
Dolby Digital when a coaxial or optical connection is used)
Dolby TrueHD Dolby TrueHD is an expansion of MLP Lossless™ audio, the same format used on
DVD-Audio discs. Dolby TrueHD adds the features found in Dolby Digital, such as
night mode settings, while delivering fully lossless audio that is a true reproduction
of studio master recordings.
••Blu-ray Disc or HD-DVD encoded with Dolby TrueHD, delivered
via HDMI
DTS-HD DTS-HD is a high-definition audio format that complements the high-definition video
found on Blu-ray Disc and HD-DVD discs. It is transmitted using a DTS core with
high-resolution extensions. Even when only DTS 5.1 surround sound is desired (or
available, if the multizone system is in use), the higher capacity of high-resolution
discs serves up DTS at twice the bit rate used on DVD-Video discs.
••Blu-ray Disc or HD-DVD discs encoded with DTS-HD modes,
delivered via HDMI connection
DTS-HD Master Audio DTS-HD Master Audio technology delivers bit-for-bit reproductions of studio master
recordings for an incredibly accurate performance.
••Blu-ray Disc or HD-DVD discs encoded with DTS-HD Master
Audio technology, delivered via HDMI connection
   
waiting for your verdict MASTERS......

[jarod]

Some say that digital coax cable is better in shorter runs. Others say it doesn't matter. The way i understand why better ang digital coax, is because before maging optical signal, may conversion pa na ginagawa from electric digital signal to optical and same with the receiving end. Although the quality of conversion would of surely be dependent on the manufacturer ng device. Unlike sa digital coax, na may minimal loss. Mahabang topic yun.  Dati naka-coax ako from source to my DAC. Kaso walang isolator ang DAC ko so nag-optical ako. Didn't hear the difference though.

I see, it makes sense naman...

[warmaster]

juice ko po mamatay nalang yata akong di manlang malasap sa aking maralitang hapag ang tru surround?
 

 heto po yung ilang pahina HANGO sa  manual ng HK156

Surround Modes
There are different theories as to the best way to present surround sound and to distribute
the individual channel information to the surround-sound system’s speakers. A variety
of algorithms have been developed in an effort to recreate the way we hear sounds in
the real world, resulting in a rich variety of options. Several companies have developed
different surround-sound technologies, all of which can be accurately reproduced by
your AVR:
•• Dolby Laboratories: Dolby TrueHD, Dolby Digital Plus, Dolby Digital, Dolby Digital EX,
Dolby Pro Logic II.
•• DTS: DTS-HD™ High Resolution Audio, DTS-HD Master Audio™, DTS, DTS 96/24™.

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AVR 156
Surround Mode Description Incoming Bitstream or Signal
Dolby Digital Provides up to five separate main audio channels and a dedicated low-frequency
effects (LFE) channel.
••Dolby Digital 1/0/.0 or .1, 2/0/.0 or .1, 3/0/.0 or .1,
2/1/.0 or .1, 2/2/.0 or .1, 3/2/.0 or .1
••Dolby Digital EX (played as 5.1)
••Dolby Digital Plus decoded and delivered via coaxial or optical
connection
Dolby Digital Plus An enhanced version of Dolby Digital encoded more efficiently, Dolby Digital Plus
has the capacity for additional discrete channels and for streaming audio from the
Internet, all with enhanced audio quality. Source material may be delivered via an
HDMI connection or decoded to Dolby Digital or PCM and transmitted via coaxial or
optical digital audio.
••Dolby Digital Plus via HDMI connection (source device decodes to
Dolby Digital when a coaxial or optical connection is used)
Dolby TrueHD Dolby TrueHD is an expansion of MLP Lossless™ audio, the same format used on
DVD-Audio discs. Dolby TrueHD adds the features found in Dolby Digital, such as
night mode settings, while delivering fully lossless audio that is a true reproduction
of studio master recordings.
••Blu-ray Disc or HD-DVD encoded with Dolby TrueHD, delivered
via HDMI
DTS-HD DTS-HD is a high-definition audio format that complements the high-definition video
found on Blu-ray Disc and HD-DVD discs. It is transmitted using a DTS core with
high-resolution extensions. Even when only DTS 5.1 surround sound is desired (or
available, if the multizone system is in use), the higher capacity of high-resolution
discs serves up DTS at twice the bit rate used on DVD-Video discs.
••Blu-ray Disc or HD-DVD discs encoded with DTS-HD modes,
delivered via HDMI connection
DTS-HD Master Audio DTS-HD Master Audio technology delivers bit-for-bit reproductions of studio master
recordings for an incredibly accurate performance.
••Blu-ray Disc or HD-DVD discs encoded with DTS-HD Master
Audio technology, delivered via HDMI connection
   
waiting for your verdict MASTERS......

basta may true HD at DTS Master audio sure na surround yan at sure na dadaan sa HDMI yang audio nyan. ipon ipon na brother, mag establish ka na ng working budget and audition AVR's na close sa budget mo. goodluck

[Nelson de Leon]

basta may true HD at DTS Master audio sure na surround yan at sure na dadaan sa HDMI yang audio nyan. ipon ipon na brother, mag establish ka na ng working budget and audition AVR's na close sa budget mo. goodluck

Yes. No choice sa HD and MA audio kundi HDMI.

[rockysta!]

@warmaster..
@masternelson...

          thanks for confirming masters!!! it would be a cheap speakers set up since the room available for this HT set up is only 10x10 feet    most probably pang mahirap lang na mga speakers ang afford ng lolo nyo ;    my only concern for HK156 is the after service and parts availability..ive heard isa lang service center nila sa manila...sabi nila mas marami daw parts and service centers ang yamaha if i consider yamy;s entry level avr..

                                                                                         


                                                                    more power to you MASTERS

[Nelson de Leon]

@warmaster..
@masternelson...

          thanks for confirming masters!!! it would be a cheap speakers set up since the room available for this HT set up is only 10x10 feet    most probably pang mahirap lang na mga speakers ang afford ng lolo nyo ;    my only concern for HK156 is the after service and parts availability..ive heard isa lang service center nila sa manila...sabi nila mas marami daw parts and service centers ang yamaha if i consider yamy;s entry level avr..
                                                                    more power to you MASTERS

May distro naman dito ang HK kaya IMHO, it wouldn't be an issue. Unless you would prefer the sound of Yammy. In which, i would also personally prefer over HK. 

[Stagea]

HK 156 + Infinity Primus combination is pretty good for entry level gear, imho. Wala lang automated setup at room correction, if you want those.

[rockysta!]

May distro naman dito ang HK kaya IMHO, it wouldn't be an issue. Unless you would prefer the sound of Yammy. In which, i would also personally prefer over HK.  

  the second thing for me to consider after the sound quality is UI [dapat user friendly] yung hindi mahirap gamitin/ i set up yung remote control .....medyo mapurol  kasi utak ko sa tech iwan ko ba

   btw master nelson, im interested to your yammy preffered sound quality would you care enlighten [ gatungan po ninyo ako ]  me about the sound of yammy  need info about yammy  RXV 371 advantages/disadvantages over HK 156...


  

[markcrenz]

And unfortunately, wala atang DTS decoding capability.

@rockysta! If your lookin for real surround capability, best if you could purchase na lang a preowned receiver if you have limited budget. The cost of buying external amps to power the surround and center might be the same or mas mahal pa kesa preowned receiver. Plus kung i think limited sa dolby digital ang capability niya.

malabo na mata mo kakanood ng mga nagsasayaw sa patay-sinding ilaw.  may dts yung onkyo nya, written at the back panel.

@rocky, kung may pc speakers ka pwede mo kabit sa rear pre-out for the time being. meron ka na low-cost surround system!

[rockysta!]

ayun yung digital audio mo brother, optical input. yun nga lang yung center and surround mo ay pre out which means kailangan mo pa ng separate amps to power those speakers kasi pre out lang siya at hindi lineout.

http://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/x344/rockyrollin/onkyofr-7gxdv.jpg

malabo na mata mo kakanood ng mga nagsasayaw sa patay-sinding ilaw.   may dts yung onkyo nya, written at the back panel.

@rocky, kung may pc speakers ka pwede mo kabit sa rear pre-out for the time being. meron ka na low-cost surround system!

                meron pa ako isang denon mini,   pwede kaya to gamitin to serve as a separate amp to power the pre out  SR SL CENTER of the ONKYO? as what WARMASTER suggested while ago? or baka ibang klaseng  amplifier yung ibig nya sabihin hehe..

                            




                              AND THE ONKYO

                          

                   paano kaya pwede kaya hehe..

[louie1]

    denon + onkyo =4 ch pa rin, kulang pa rin ng center amp

ibenta mo na lang yan, den buy ka ng 5.1 receiver like this one pio VSX-818V-K, 5.1 na , hdmi pa

http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,158342.0.html

solve ang sorround sound mo