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Re: Dai-ichi Speakers & sub
« Reply #1200 on: Aug 11, 2005 at 06:03 PM »
kt, nasa 18k+ never tried them actually never tried anything, just saw sa site nila and i kinda like the looks of this model compare to the euros...will check them out this weekend...

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Re: Dai-ichi Speakers & sub
« Reply #1201 on: Aug 12, 2005 at 11:35 AM »
gonefishing yup better check them so u can test them individually. post ka nalang reviews mo! tnx n gluk!

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Re: Dai-ichi Speakers & sub
« Reply #1202 on: Aug 12, 2005 at 01:59 PM »
bro gonefishing,

I'm not trying to discourage you from this model 'coz I like it too, but maybe you should checked the specs. Those pretty can't go below 100 Hz. And it is essential for a good HT system to have the sattelites capable of reaching below 100 Hz or you would have to set the sub at a cut off higher than 100 Hz and that would cause localization, or if you decide not to set the sub cutoff above 100 Hz, your system will have a hole in the frequency spectrum. And that hole is the frequency from the lowest response of your towers down to the sub cut off frequency. You might consider looking for other systems. Just a suggestion, though. And that's from a Daiichi fan.  ;D ;D

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Re: Dai-ichi Speakers & sub
« Reply #1203 on: Aug 12, 2005 at 03:17 PM »
thanks arthur, I don't know anything about the technical side of HT, i just based my choice thru the looks of the said models, so if you say that it's ot that good then can you suggest a different model?

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Re: Dai-ichi Speakers & sub
« Reply #1204 on: Aug 12, 2005 at 10:07 PM »
Gonefishing,

Try the DTX products. It will only cost you around 15k including the sub.  ;)

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Re: Dai-ichi Speakers & sub
« Reply #1205 on: Aug 15, 2005 at 11:54 AM »
Try the DTX 9.5 System, although very affordable, it's very capable. Try Moses Aaron, look for Mike, and tell them I reffered you, they might give you a discount.  ;D
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Re: Dai-ichi Speakers & sub
« Reply #1206 on: Aug 15, 2005 at 04:16 PM »
Yo! may problem ako sa euros ko (fronts). Garalgal tumunog. :( Di naman ganun dati. Siguro may napindot ako sa setting ng amp ko. Ano ba mga factors na pwedeng mag-cause nito? Parang may narinig ako dati na nasasakal daw yung bass. Help naman jan mga kapatid.. ;)

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Re: Dai-ichi Speakers & sub
« Reply #1207 on: Aug 15, 2005 at 04:22 PM »
Yo! may problem ako sa euros ko (fronts). Garalgal tumunog. :( Di naman ganun dati. Siguro may napindot ako sa setting ng amp ko. Ano ba mga factors na pwedeng mag-cause nito? Parang may narinig ako dati na nasasakal daw yung bass. Help naman jan mga kapatid.. ;)

bro wag naman sana pero possible na may sayad yung speaker. Lifetime warranty naman yan di ba so no worries  ;)
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Re: Dai-ichi Speakers & sub
« Reply #1208 on: Aug 15, 2005 at 04:53 PM »
Yo! may problem ako sa euros ko (fronts). Garalgal tumunog. :( Di naman ganun dati. Siguro may napindot ako sa setting ng amp ko. Ano ba mga factors na pwedeng mag-cause nito? Parang may narinig ako dati na nasasakal daw yung bass. Help naman jan mga kapatid.. ;)

Last year, my DTX tower accidentally fell while our yaya was cleaning the living room. It also had that sound but it was repaired by Diichi right away, no receipt needed..

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Re: Dai-ichi Speakers & sub
« Reply #1209 on: Aug 15, 2005 at 09:37 PM »
Wag naman sana. :( 1 week palang sa akin yung unit. never nabagsak or whatever. Kahapon ko lang napansin. Napansin ko nung nanonood ako ng "The Matrix" (pted). The part where Keanu Reeves is dodging the bullets. Basta di maganda yung output. Niwey, try ko muna ibang disc baka distorted lang yung sound ng disc na nabili ko. Tsaka pi..ted naman yun hehe.. ;D

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Re: Dai-ichi Speakers & sub
« Reply #1210 on: Aug 16, 2005 at 09:51 AM »
Bro Arthurallanj,

Related to the Yamaha Post, my  center  and rears are set to small. For "now" its the best  settings. I also moved forward the sub (my config is Left, Center, Right, Sub-woofer) from the back wall by some 2" and around 8" from right speaker and I noticed that it produced better BASS. The cabinets that used to vibrate before are no longer vibrating.

Although, I'm wondering why I can hear a good deal BASS sounds in our dining room (likod ng HT Set-up namin) --- is it room acoustics? Pwede kaya  sa HT Room  mai-redirect yung Bass na nadidinig namin sa dining room?

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Re: Dai-ichi Speakers & sub
« Reply #1211 on: Aug 16, 2005 at 11:38 AM »
bro lawin! thats a euro sub ur using dba? yun din kasi prob ko lakas mag vibrate pati cabinets n windows. so di mo sa corner nilagay yuung sub? yung dtx4.10 ko kasi sa corner ko nilagay eh. how about if i put it in the middle?  ???

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Re: Dai-ichi Speakers & sub
« Reply #1212 on: Aug 16, 2005 at 01:15 PM »
bro lawin! thats a euro sub ur using dba? yun din kasi prob ko lakas mag vibrate pati cabinets n windows. so di mo sa corner nilagay yuung sub? yung dtx4.10 ko kasi sa corner ko nilagay eh. how about if i put it in the middle?  ???

Wala yung sub sa corner. Inadjust ko din cross-over; settings; etc... on-going expirement. for now, nawala na yung vibration at mas naimprove pa yung BASS. Try moving it around your rooom, pero always play the same piece of music para macompare mo difference. 

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Re: Dai-ichi Speakers & sub
« Reply #1213 on: Aug 16, 2005 at 01:21 PM »
bro lawin san naka set yung freq ng sub mo na ok? ano naexperience mo sa mga experiments mo like kung sa corner mo nilagay or differences sa cutoff...share naman para may idea ako bro! tnx!  :D

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Re: Dai-ichi Speakers & sub
« Reply #1214 on: Aug 16, 2005 at 03:17 PM »
bro lawin san naka set yung freq ng sub mo na ok? ano naexperience mo sa mga experiments mo like kung sa corner mo nilagay or differences sa cutoff...share naman para may idea ako bro! tnx!  :D

Knob settings (simila sa watch):
1) Phase  at around 1:30pm or 120-130 degrees
2) Cross Over at around 10-10:30 or roughly 80
3) Volume at around 11-11:30

Pag corners medyo boomy, pag masyadong malapit sa tower speaker parang muddled ng konti yung BASS. Pag masyadong malapit sa back wall mas nagvibrate yung walls /cabinets. Konti-konti lang kung adjust ko kasi fixed na talaga ang pagpuwpestuhan ko. Distances sa wall ng front speakers ko ay round 8" yung sub around 2"- 4" naka slant kc ng konti towards sa listening area namin.   Problem ko lang ciguro ngayun ay room acoustics, baka maglahay ako ng foam sa mga wooden walls sa likod ng mga speakers & sub (depende sa WAF).

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Re: Dai-ichi Speakers & sub
« Reply #1215 on: Aug 16, 2005 at 03:37 PM »
bro lawin tnx for the review....hav u tried the different cutoffs? so yung 10 oclock is the best na for ur setup? pano pala yun wen they say "boomy" na? some say "boxy" din....pano po ba mga yun?

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Re: Dai-ichi Speakers & sub
« Reply #1216 on: Aug 17, 2005 at 02:54 PM »
Bro Lawin,

Here's an advise I've read from the net: To find the best position for your sub, EXPERIMENT! and literally get on your knees and hands and start crawling! To discuss room acoustics would require us a whole lot of time and space. There is generally no specific rule when it comes to speaker positioning since each room has its own individual acoustic characteristics. Each room is unique. So, it would probably take a an expert to set your system up to it's optimum performance configuration. But who can afford a professional? Especially us who are on a budget. So, I guess you already found the secret, experiment! And please, never underestimate your own ears. What good is a setting that's been done by experts and professionals if it doesn't sound good to you? And to think it's YOUR home theater. It's quite hard to do a diagnosis on your equipment unless you have a totally neutral room. If you can afford to have your entire HT room acoustically insulated, then maybe that's the only time you can actually say what really works for a certain kind of equipment. Besides, as they say, experience is the best teacher, so let your ears learn more everytime by constanly listening to different systems and sources, and maybe you'd also find what suits your taste. What I can do is help you with some useful infos. Give me your email ad, then I'll send you some materials I found to be helpful and might aid in answering the questions you have.  ;D

Just a question, bro, is that 2 inches and 8 inches? Or feet? And I really wouldn't wonder why you have a lot of vibrations in your room. Why? Well, for starters, if you have the Euros 8 towers, definitely! Those babes have dual 8-inch drivers and can go down to 50 Hz, why wonder? And remember, subs and speakers that can generate great LFE signals should be given room to breathe since they move around a lot of air. I'm quite sure your towers and sub are both often generating the same frequencies, that's why there seems to be an "over-adequacy" of bass in your room. That's why when you set the other speakers to SMALL, you experienced cleaner and better bass reproduction since that setting filters out all the frequencies below the set crossover, say 90 Hz, from all the other speakers to just the sub. Kaya siguro ganun ang effect sa room mo. But that's just a theory.  ;D

Oh and aah, you may be hearing better bass sounds in your dining probably because, your HT room already filtered out all the room reverberations and mid bass frequencies and other impurites and left out all the lower bass frequencies for you to hear, since the lowest bass signals are the hardest to contain, that's why you hear this cleaner sounding bass.  ;D
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Re: Dai-ichi Speakers & sub
« Reply #1217 on: Aug 18, 2005 at 12:36 PM »
Bro Art,

Tried to send an email. Anyway sent you a PM. thanks in advance . . .

Medyo naka palihis yung sub from the back wall kaya 2" to 8" (now its 4"). My partition walls/cabinets are plywoods while my flooring in the listening area are ceramic tiles. I know somehow it affects the sound. Right now I'm gathering foams (parans lalagyan itlog)  to place in between the walls (kung papayagan ni wife na magbukas ng walls??

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Re: Dai-ichi Speakers & sub
« Reply #1218 on: Aug 19, 2005 at 09:44 AM »
Hey bro Lawin,

I don't think there's a need to open up the walls, putting up some curtains may help a lot. Or maybe the panels just need to be nailed better. Do something about the wall surface not inside it. You need to insulate the wall surface. You can also use flat acoustic insulation tiles, these would look better than eggshell tray foam. I'm quite sure the wifey won't like the way the eggshell foam would look on the wall. And maybe put a carpet on the floor. And I'm sure you have a plush sofa set in the HT area. Furnish the area a lot with other sound absorbent stuff. The general rule is, never have to bare walls that are opposite each other. And ahh, is that inches or feet? To my knowledge kasi, " stands for inches and ' for feet. Ingat.  :)
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Re: Dai-ichi Speakers & sub
« Reply #1219 on: Aug 19, 2005 at 11:58 AM »
Hi Art, saan ba pwedeng makabili this "flat acoustic insulation tiles"? Ano ba itsura nito? Also, mayroon din bang acoustic walls? Pangit kasi pag foam ang gamitin.:-)

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Re: Dai-ichi Speakers & sub
« Reply #1220 on: Aug 19, 2005 at 01:06 PM »
Hey bro Lawin,

I don't think there's a need to open up the walls, putting up some curtains may help a lot. Or maybe the panels just need to be nailed better. Do something about the wall surface not inside it. You need to insulate the wall surface. You can also use flat acoustic insulation tiles, these would look better than eggshell tray foam. I'm quite sure the wifey won't like the way the eggshell foam would look on the wall. And maybe put a carpet on the floor. And I'm sure you have a plush sofa set in the HT area. Furnish the area a lot with other sound absorbent stuff. The general rule is, never have to bare walls that are opposite each other. And ahh, is that inches or feet? To my knowledge kasi, " stands for inches and ' for feet. Ingat.  :)

Bro Arthurallanj,

Thanks for the suggestion. BTW, sent you an email sa Yahoo... together with a picture of my set-up. For LFE I use both (SW & Front), para kasing thin sounding sa BASS yung towers ko...

I notice kc when I put inside my hand sa port ng towers na may speaker cloth pa uli na nakalagay tapos may nakakapa pa akong foam inside.  ??? Baka hininanaan ng daiichi yung BASS ng bagong labas na Euro Towers para mas bumenta pa subwoofers nila  >:(

Other Euro8 Tower owners ganun din pa speakers nyo? ::)



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Re: Dai-ichi Speakers & sub
« Reply #1221 on: Aug 22, 2005 at 02:55 PM »
Hi Art, saan ba pwedeng makabili this "flat acoustic insulation tiles"? Ano ba itsura nito? Also, mayroon din bang acoustic walls? Pangit kasi pag foam ang gamitin.:-)

Try mo sa mga Architechtural suppliers, or sa ibang malalaking hardware stores. THere are many kinds of acoustic insulation materials. These either come in panels, or boards. Here at WRocK Bacolod, our walls are acoustically insulated with boards that are made of some sort of compressed fiber, then may mga butas butas sya, but this is old school. There are many new, and attractive acoustic insulators. Maybe you can make it yourself. I've seen a movieplex here in Bacolod that is Dolby and DTS certified, that uses an inch of dense foam, kinda like Dew Foam, covered with some sort of thick woven fabric. The point here is this, there are infinite possibilities to acoustically insulate a wall or ceiling, you just need to know what kind of materials to use. To tell you honestly, an upholstery shop can acoustically insulate a wall for you, although leather and leather-like materials are out of the question.  ;D
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Re: Dai-ichi Speakers & sub
« Reply #1222 on: Aug 22, 2005 at 03:01 PM »
Bro Arthurallanj,

Thanks for the suggestion. BTW, sent you an email sa Yahoo... together with a picture of my set-up. For LFE I use both (SW & Front), para kasing thin sounding sa BASS yung towers ko...

I notice kc when I put inside my hand sa port ng towers na may speaker cloth pa uli na nakalagay tapos may nakakapa pa akong foam inside.  ??? Baka hininanaan ng daiichi yung BASS ng bagong labas na Euro Towers para mas bumenta pa subwoofers nila  >:(

Other Euro8 Tower owners ganun din pa speakers nyo? ::)




I already answered your e-mail. But for the benefit of others viewing this post, here it is. Try setting the fronts to LARGE, since your settings may be contradicting since you set the LFE to BOTH, that means the sub and the fronts, but you also set the fronts to small.
I still think your theory is unlikely though possible.  ;D
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Re: Dai-ichi Speakers & sub
« Reply #1223 on: Aug 23, 2005 at 09:18 AM »
I already answered your e-mail. But for the benefit of others viewing this post, here it is. Try setting the fronts to LARGE, since your settings may be contradicting since you set the LFE to BOTH, that means the sub and the fronts, but you also set the fronts to small.
I still think your theory is unlikely though possible.  ;D

I set my my front to LARGE again and like before meron syang bass pero parang anemic nga :( , specially pag di naka-on ang sub. I can only hear some bass from the towers if I put the volume at almost 50% . Siguro I will visit MegaMall showroom again just to compare (...and probably buy bass shakers while there ;D).

Binasa ko nga uli ang manual, pag BOTH pala LFE ang purpose is to boost the low frequency sound when listining to 2 channel sources. So now I set as Front=LARGE, LFE=BOTH, Cut-Off=90. While ok naman tunog nya, I'm just really concerned why I am not hearing good bass from the towers ... maybe its me na mataas expectation na almost subwoofer like ang tunog na inaasahan  ???.

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Re: Dai-ichi Speakers & sub
« Reply #1224 on: Aug 23, 2005 at 11:10 AM »
I set my my front to LARGE again and like before meron syang bass pero parang anemic nga :( , specially pag di naka-on ang sub. I can only hear some bass from the towers if I put the volume at almost 50% . Siguro I will visit MegaMall showroom again just to compare (...and probably buy bass shakers while there ;D).

Binasa ko nga uli ang manual, pag BOTH pala LFE ang purpose is to boost the low frequency sound when listining to 2 channel sources. So now I set as Front=LARGE, LFE=BOTH, Cut-Off=90. While ok naman tunog nya, I'm just really concerned why I am not hearing good bass from the towers ... maybe its me na mataas expectation na almost subwoofer like ang tunog na inaasahan  ???.

remove 1 channel and listen for the bass. If you have good bass, than with 2 speakers on, you have room cancellations. If one speaker, you still dont have bass, move your speaker to the middle of your listening room, and while playing, move your single speaker left and right to the place where good bass is strong. The downside, you may loose mid range. Its up to you which compromise to get.
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Re: Dai-ichi Speakers & sub
« Reply #1225 on: Aug 23, 2005 at 11:30 AM »
Ofcourse if you set to BOTH, that means both the fronts and the sub will sound off the bass, that essentially will let the sub boost the bass coming from your fronts.  But if as you said, doing so still sound bass anemic, you may have room mode cancellations where you're listening chair is.  Also, when you already have a sub, why look for bass from your towers?.  On a good seamlessly matched speakers and sub, you really shouldn't be able to tell where the bass is coming from.   ;D

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Re: Dai-ichi Speakers & sub
« Reply #1226 on: Aug 23, 2005 at 01:16 PM »
Hey Sir AV,

Musta na po? It's been a long time. Not to contest your post sir, but for the sake of discussion, isn't it true that all five channels have full range response? So, some detail may be missed if the lower frequencies are filtered to the sub, right? But I guess that's the purpose of the sub, to take care of all the lower frequencies below the cut off. Just a thought. Sent you a PM sir. God Bless.

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Re: Dai-ichi Speakers & sub
« Reply #1227 on: Aug 23, 2005 at 01:53 PM »
bro art! yup i'll try to ask help from sir av if he wont mind  :-\

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Re: Dai-ichi Speakers & sub
« Reply #1228 on: Aug 23, 2005 at 02:52 PM »
Guys thanks for the suggestions, I will try it! So its quite possible na may room cancellations ako.

Currently, I can already hear good bass and good integration sa music from my set-up ... although, I can localize where the bass is coming from (the sub) when I'm quite near (around 3 feet) but not from my listening position at around 10 feet.  Siguro mataas expectation ko sa Euro Towers na ok ang bass by itself and when I auditioned it sa MegaMall malaks naman, unlike mine.

After trying out the suggestions... I may really have to visit Daiichi show room again.

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Re: Dai-ichi Speakers & sub
« Reply #1229 on: Aug 24, 2005 at 09:26 AM »
question cause im so noobish..

ung LFE, Large, and those things... san na sineset yun? sa speaker ba mismo? or sa AVR?
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