Topic: Dai-ichi Speakers & sub

[lordfranz]

Ayan ngaun lng po ngkatime magreply.. maraming salamat po sa lahat! bro art, gets ko na po "ACCURACY" lessons mo.. hehe... Uhmm... Sayang.. d o umabot comment mo about sa center speaker... nkabili nko kahapon.. hehe.. pero ok nman po sound.. Gusto ko ung bass.. astig!! namomodify nman po sa receiver ung functionality ng bawat speaker eh.. aun.. tinimpla ko na lng sa panlasa ng tenga ko.. hehe.. thanks po..

Sa SUB, hnd muna ko bumili.. pag-iicpan ko pa.. kaso I auditoined ung 4.10.. ok nga tunog pero napakalaki!!! la na space sa room ko.. hehe.. mga 9 X 5 meters lng po kc un.. andun na rin cabinet ko and stuff.. pati TV.. hehe.. Il go with the 508 na lng po cguro... or bka my alam kau na maliit ng konti sa 4.10 pero front firing din.. kahit d dai-1chi basta close presyo.. hehe.. thanks!! Any tips po na dapat kong gawin sa bagong purchase? like sa setting up, tweaking? break in? or anything? salamat po.. maraming salamat!

[av_phile1]

hehe.. mga 9 X 5 meters lng po kc un..

9 x 5 meters,   that's relatively a large room already. 

[kt]

bro lord try mo din yung dynaquest...not sure if wat size...i saw 1 at listening room mega n mas maliit sya compared sa 4.10. havent tried it though...

[lmerb]

Ok lang ba. If i use Euros bookshelf as front speakers?

[arthurallanj]

Bro lmerb,

Of course. But they'd have to be placed at ear level, so you're gonna need stands or wall brackets. 

[lordfranz]

bro AV, ahehe... mjo masikip pa ri po.. my mesa, sofa, cabinet, PC, AbPro ba pang work-out, etc pa po.. hehe..

thanks bro kt.. Cge I'll check it pag bibili nko.. DQ 12 un dba?? thanks!!

bro art, salamat sa instructions... Nadownload ko na.. hehe.. BIG thanks!!!

ASTIIIIIIG!!!! Ganda ng tunog... hehe...

[kt]

bro lord musta na setup mo? wat na choice mo?

[lordfranz]

Bro kt, ok nman.. Astig.. ganda tunog.. kahit wala pa ung rear ko <nasa province pa eh, pinapadala ko pa dito> eh astig!! Imiikot.. I watched ung harry potter.. hehe.. ganda! Sa Sub, mg-iipon pa rin ako eh.. 1k pa lng ipon ko 4 sub.. hehe... most likely eh 508 na lng.. dahil nga sa space.. ilalagay ko lng xa sa ilalim nung cabinet ko kung saan andun din TV, receiver, player at center ko.. sa ilalim nung receiver ko ilalagay.. hehe.. masama ba un kung kulong ung sub?

[kt]

bro lord wat speakers did u get na ba? abt sa sub placement...there are times kasi na a sub closer to a wall/corner can get too boomy, so u hav to move it away sa wall to lessen the boominess. wat do u mean by kulong yung sub? kasi consider mo din if u plan to get the dtx 5.8 its rear ported bro!

[lordfranz]

Bro kt, Ah... I settled with DTX 9.5 as my front and euros8 as my center.. Ang rear ko eh old compo speaker na lng.. hehe... Abt dun sa sub, ung "kulong", as in parang nklagay xa sa box. my empty space kc sa ilalim ng cabinet ko<asa cabinet dn ung tv> sa ilalim ng tv, dun ko balak ilagay ung sub.. kulong as in ung harap lng ang kita.. hehe.. un po.. nga pala, 4.10 gamit mo dba? bka nman po pwd mahingi dimension nya.. para susukatin ko dito, malay natin kasya pala.. hehe..


KUNG sino man po sana sa mga nakakabasa nito ang my DQ 12 and or US 508, hingin ko po sana dimension nila.. para susukatin ko lng sa paglalagyan ko.. Maraming salamat po!

[arthurallanj]

I would never suggest placing a sub in an enclosed space. Subs move a lot of air so they need to breathe. But that's just me. 

[gonefishing]

mga expert, ok na ba itong set up ko? bibili na ako ng daiichi euro 6, four floor standings(instead of 2 bookshelf and 2 floor standing)  and center w/o sub for my 3x3 TV room ok na kaya ito? or should I still get the sub? it will be drive by a yamaha 450...,

[kt]

bro lord tama si bro art! magiging kulob din yung output ng bass mo pag ganun. mas maganda pag open yung space nya. lalo na nga yung 5.8 rear ported sya. i'll check ltr the specs bro!

[food]

mga expert, ok na ba itong set up ko? bibili na ako ng daiichi euro 6, four floor standings(instead of 2 bookshelf and 2 floor standing)  and center w/o sub for my 3x3 TV room ok na kaya ito? or should I still get the sub? it will be drive by a yamaha 450...,

Pre, you'll miss 50 % viewing experience pag wala kang sub.

[arthurallanj]

Here's my reply to a previous post, your post. 

I don't think so. The Euros 8 towers lowest frequency response is at 50Hz. At that frequency medyo mahina na yan if compared with the response at the higher bass frequencies. So it's still best to have a good sub. Preferably a front firing one. And if you can afford one that's of better quality, that would be great. What I mean with better quality is one that can go as "low as your budget would allow". Yes, subs are more expensive the lower they can go. Entry level subs usually can go as low as 40 or 30 hz. The ones that can audibly go all the way down to 20 Hz are, of course, more expensive. Have fun!

[MAtZTER]

Pre, you'll miss 50 % viewing experience pag wala kang sub.

I fully agree. For me, a HT experience is not complete without the subs. It (and surrounds) carries the HT and defines it as compared to regular viewing.

Of all my HT components, I am willing to spend the most on a good sub and then a receiver. After one year in this hobby and having started from Daiichi's myself to my current gears(click), I have come to conclude that ** most low to mid-end speakers** would do a good job for HT (its only dialogue and explosions, not very detailed), you only need to be a bit pickier with the speakers when it comes to music (lots of details kasi).

But its a different case with subs. Since I mentioned that for me, the subs "carries" the experience, getting a good sub makes the difference in HT, not much on the speakers.

**by this I mean bookshelf and floorstanding speakers, I seldom find good satellite speakers at this range**

just my 2 cents.

**500**

[lordfranz]

Bro art and kt.. Ah OK... Eh d ilalabas ko na lng dun sa lalagyan kapag gagamitin.. hehe.. pero parang ngdadalwang icp nko sa Sub, parang ok na sa akin ung bass nya ngaun eh.. I biwired it na eh... hehe.. tnx to bro art!!! Ok na ung bass.. kumakalog na rin nga walls eh.. chaka upuan ko kapag tinataasan ko bass sa receiver ko.. hehe.. Icp icp.. hihi..

[kt]

bro lord i know wat u mean by ok na bass ng floorstanders! kaso iba parin talaga pag may sub! yung mga very low LFE...di kaya ng speakers kaya mas ok talaga sa sub kasi yun yung role nya! better if matry mo sa 1 system na with sub....then off mo yung sub then just set to LARGE yung speakers mo....dun mo manotice yung difference nila!

[arthurallanj]

Bro lord,

Okay na rin kung walang sub, but speaker response is almost never a flat line. Your tower speakers have peaks and dips in response. There are frequencies na malakas sya and may frequencies din na mahina. Especially at the upper and lower limits of the speaker system. Okay lang at the higher ones kasi 20KHz is much more easy to produce for a tweeter than 20 Hz is for a woofer, even for a subwoofer. So at, say, 50 Hz, mahina na ang reproduction ng towers mo. The frequency response rating of Daiichi speakers, by the way, is at +/-4dB. How much more if your system needed to reproduce 40Hz? Iba talaga ang response if you had a sub, since a sub was built for that purpose. A locally made sub would make you feel the difference. Moreover, a more expensive one would have an even better performance. My point? GET A SUB. If not now, maybe soon. But that's just me. 

[av_phile1]

Bro lord,

Okay na rin kung walang sub, but speaker response is almost never a flat line. Your tower speakers have peaks and dips in response. There are frequencies na malakas sya and may frequencies din na mahina. Especially at the upper and lower limits of the speaker system. Okay lang at the higher ones kasi 20KHz is much more easy to produce for a tweeter than 20 Hz is for a woofer, even for a subwoofer. So at, say, 50 Hz, mahina na ang reproduction ng towers mo. The frequency response rating of Daiichi speakers, by the way, is at +/-4dB. How much more if your system needed to reproduce 40Hz? Iba talaga ang response if you had a sub, since a sub was built for that purpose. A locally made sub would make you feel the difference. Moreover, a more expensive one would have an even better performance. My point? GET A SUB. If not now, maybe soon. But that's just me. 

Provided the subwoofer adds db below the -3db point of the towers flat down to at most 30hz.   Often not attainable with bandpass designs of entry level brands.

[arthurallanj]

That's why I don't really suggest getting a sub with a bandpass design. I've always recommended getting front firing ones. And I've always stressed that "THE LOWER A SUB CAN GO, THE MORE EXPENSIVE IT IS", USUALLY. Besides, the Euros towers 8 can only go as low as 50Hz at -4dB, on the premise that we take the word of Daiichi on the specs. Not getting a sub would only lessen the enjoyment of the LFEs, moreso if you get an entry level bandpass sub like the US Audio 512 which has a bottom end frequency limit of 50 Hz also at -4dB. I've tested it to have a response at around 40 Hz pero mahina talaga sya. The DTX 4.12 can go a bit lower at around 30 Hz , mahina din, but a bit more audible than the 512.

Again, at around 50, 60 hz, mahina na ang towers, so your LFE response would suffer even more if you didn't have a sub. Better pa rin if may sub.

Thanks, sir av.

[lordfranz]

hmm.... Cge, bili na lng ako ng sub pag nkaipon na... hehe... mga after 4 months pa cguro.. tnx mga pre!!!

[leomar]

just got the euros8 tower last friday during the megamall sale.

naku, ok na sa kuwarto ko, kahit walang sub muna, kasi kapag naka bass on ung sakura ko, lumilindol na ung upuan! paano pa kaya kapag may sub!

baka batuhin na ako ng kapitbahay ko o kaya makita ko silang may eye-bag araw-araw! hehe

next upgrade: branded receiver!

[kt]

bro leomar congrats! how much na kuha mo? sale din ba sila ng nag sale sa mega? yung euros8 ba yung 2 yung woofers?

[MAtZTER]

next upgrade: branded receiver!

Ayus, bro madaming on sale sa buy and sell thread 

[leomar]

sir kt:

yup, 2 woofers, 1 midrange, and 1 tweeter, so 4 lahat! hehe

sir matz:

ayos ba ang onkyo compared sa yamaha (for HT)?

[kt]

bro leomar! oks yan ganda nga yan yung naka display sa harap nila dba? how much kuha mo?

[leomar]

6k sir, sinamantala ko na habang sale pa sila, sabi kasi ni john (ung manager yata dun) magtataas sila after nung sale baka daw aabot ng 9k ung price, kaya kinuha ko habang may pera pa hehe

btw, wat receiver mo sir?

naghahanap-hanap na rin ako ngaun ng branded e hehe
im setting my eyes to either yamaha 550 or onkyo tx-sr502

ano ba mas maganda hehe

[MAtZTER]

sir matz:

ayos ba ang onkyo compared sa yamaha (for HT)?

Pag you are more into HT, go for the Yamaha. But if you like listening to a lot of music, go for the Onkyo. Thats what I learned from the posts here.

[leomar]

ok yamaha na kukunin ko! more on dvd kasi ako e hehe
thanks!