Topic: KENWOOD AVR

[nels76]

tanong lang po mga sir.

what is the use of bass peak management? sa sub ba or sa front speakers? what is your settings dito. thanks

coolkiks,

from the manual itself:

Use of Bass Peak

A restriction is put on the low frequency so that the bass peak level
will not go higher than the acceptable level when the volume is
increased.
If subwoofer speaker is OFF, the limitation will affect the low
frequency of the front left and right speakers

Setting the Bass Peak

For optimum bass peak level, keep increasing the bass peak
level by using the MULTI CONTROL knob or or MULTI
keys while test tone is being output until clip sound is heard from the subwoofer or front speaker


My comprehension:
Bass Peak manages the bass output on the sub and on the front (if the front is set to large).

My adjustment:
Setting is -29. Higher than that agonizes the sub at higher volume especially when THX mode is on.

Bass Channel Setting:

Subwoofer : 12 O'clock
Sub Receiver level: +3
Bass Peak: -29

[coolkiks]

thanks nels

my settings for bass peak is -20... buti di pa sira sub ko hehehe... although i haven't notice na banat na banat yung sub ko when playing movies and audio but one thing though, everytime I play intro ng dts dvd disc, medyo sabog ng kaunti yung sub.

well back to the drawing board  ... thanks again

[nels76]

thanks nels

everytime I play intro ng dts dvd disc, medyo sabog ng kaunti yung sub.

In this case, there is a need to decrease bass peak level. Lalamugin niyan sub mo.

naglalaro lang iyan from -30 to -25.
If THX is on, adjust ko sa -30.

[james16]

In this case, there is a need to decrease bass peak level. Lalamugin niyan sub mo.

naglalaro lang iyan from -30 to -25.
If THX is on, adjust ko sa -30.

iba na talaga si idol nels76.... basta 9060D, alam nya lahat ng tweaks.... sa susunod, bass on the 1st floor

[nels76]

iba na talaga si idol nels76.... basta 9060D, alam nya lahat ng tweaks.... sa susunod, bass on the 1st floor

kakabasa kasi about this receiver kaya medyo marami na ako alam sa tweaking.

pre, buo na iyong Living room namin where the HT will be setup. Mas-maliit compared sa dati. 3 of the 4 side walls are made of concrete na. Sahig concrete na din. Celing made of wood pa din. Unlike before na walls are all made of wood.

Drop by ka tom AM para makita mo. Finishing na lang kulang and tapos na.

Still with this kind of room about to be finished, I cannot utilize my AVR's 7.1 capability. 5.1 muna ulit.

Tama ka BASS on the 1st floor muna. Dati 2nd Floor eh. Next year BASS on the 3rd Floor na talaga because next year na ang 2nd Stage ng House Renovation.

Come December, I'm thinking between DVD 21 and 655A. Kawawa naman PS2 ko. over-fatigued na.

cheers.

[james16]

kakabasa kasi about this receiver kaya medyo marami na ako alam sa tweaking.

pre, buo na iyong Living room namin where the HT will be setup. Mas-maliit compared sa dati. 3 of the 4 side walls are made of concrete na. Sahig concrete na din. Celing made of wood pa din. Unlike before na walls are all made of wood.

Drop by ka tom AM para makita mo. Finishing na lang kulang and tapos na.

Still with this kind of room about to be finished, I cannot utilize my AVR's 7.1 capability. 5.1 muna ulit.

Tama ka BASS on the 1st floor muna. Dati 2nd Floor eh. Next year BASS on the 3rd Floor na talaga because next year na ang 2nd Stage ng House Renovation.

Come December, I'm thinking between DVD 21 and 655A. Kawawa naman PS2 ko. over-fatigued na.

cheers.

cge, tawag ka sa bahay kung anong oras and i'll drop by.... malapit na mayaning mga tao sa inyo nyan... heheheh

next year na pala matatapos ang mansion nyo.... matuloy na kaya ang listening session natin kaya sa december???

[nels76]

Yup. mayayanig na talaga considering na magiging adjacent door na namin iyong kapitbahay na meron JVC J777V.

Excited na ko madinig si 912 na naka-position malapit sa wall.

Talagang power. Gagapang nanaman iyong Sub.

Pero iba iyong sa iyo. HK mo Power for the Digital Revolution.

magkamukha avatar natin ha. nalilito tuloy ako.
 

[Narayan]

iba na talaga si idol nels76.... basta 9060D, alam nya lahat ng tweaks.... sa susunod, bass on the 1st floor

Tama ka dyan james, authority si nelson ng 9060. Talo pa yung mga salesmen ng 5th Ave.

[H a n $]

James,

Buti dito sa Kenwood thread meron Guru sa tweaks.. dapat meron din tayo sa HK hehehe sir james ikaw na bahala.. puro tayo sit down and listen..

[nels76]

James16, Hans, Narayan,

Thanks na lang muna wala pa ako pang-treat sa inyo. konti na lang mabobola na ako.

coolkiks,

in reference to your post at the MS thread:

you said at -4 at 9060D volume level sound start to change. may i know your speaker settings?

Dre, reminder ko lang. mga bago pa speakers mo. wag mo muna biritin.

I noticed with my 9060D:
Stereo: Volume does not reach 0 but you'll hear slight clipping.

Multi-channel (Movies or Music); Volume can be at almost max level (really loud) but still sounds clean.

Di ba baliktad? What can you say coolkiks? Don't you have the same observation?

[james16]

James,

Buti dito sa Kenwood thread meron Guru sa tweaks.. dapat meron din tayo sa HK hehehe sir james ikaw na bahala.. puro tayo sit down and listen..

kelangan nga meron tayong mahanap na dedicated na HK guru tulad ni nels76 para sa kenwood.  

[coolkiks]

coolkiks,

in reference to your post at the MS thread:

you said at -4 at 9060D volume level sound start to change. may i know your speaker settings?

Dre, reminder ko lang. mga bago pa speakers mo. wag mo muna biritin.

I noticed with my 9060D:
Stereo: Volume does not reach 0 but you'll hear slight clipping.

Multi-channel (Movies or Music); Volume can be at almost max level (really loud) but still sounds clean.

Di ba baliktad? What can you say coolkiks? Don't you have the same observation?

sir nels

my speaker settings :
fronts : 2db, center : 1, surrounds: 3, sub: 3

I tried using both digital and analog outs when played in stereo pero pag umabot na sa -5 nag iiba na tunog. di ko muna uli gagawin yun hehehe... siguro next month pa

tried also multi channel , thx off and eq off, ganun din ang labas although umaabot ng 0-5 pero may clipping ng kaunti. siguro di pa ready MS ko for that level.... but in movies di nagbabago sound up to 5 db . di ko na pinaabot ng max level kasi takot na ko e  

[kimpOy]

review naman sa KRF-5060
ok ba performance nito?

[Narayan]

review naman sa KRF-5060
ok ba performance nito?

Suggest you audition this sa 5th Ave. kung walang taga pinoydvd na meron nito. They're accomodating naman.

[nels76]

sir nels

my speaker settings :
fronts : 2db, center : 1, surrounds: 3, sub: 3

I tried using both digital and analog outs when played in stereo pero pag umabot na sa -5 nag iiba na tunog. di ko muna uli gagawin yun hehehe... siguro next month pa

tried also multi channel , thx off and eq off, ganun din ang labas although umaabot ng 0-5 pero may clipping ng kaunti. siguro di pa ready MS ko for that level.... but in movies di nagbabago sound up to 5 db . di ko na pinaabot ng max level kasi takot na ko e  

K, coolkiks.

What's your DVD player by the way?

I advise you not to listen to high volume level for now. Let the speakers break-in for about 36 hours (as recommended by MS).

This was how I broke in my speakers:
Tune to 87.5Mhz. You'll hear a sound same as a pink noise (La kasi station)

Then let the receiver turned on overnight at low volume level (enough para di maka-annoy)

Put the recevier to DPL2 or CSII or NEO 6 para lahat ng speakers tumutunog.

I did this for 2 nights lang. In the morning di naman gaano mainit iyong receiver dahil mahina lang naman.

But this is risky because the receiver is unattended that whatever electrical disturbance may happen at night baka makasira or may cause fire.

Just my suggestion.

[coolkiks]

sir nels

am using philips dvd 626 (free if you buy 25" TV  ).
before my kenwood avr, am using the old stereo amplifier marantz (forgot the model) and noticed that when we played any audio cd, the output is somewhat distorted unlike in playing dvd movies.

when I played audio cd using the analog inputs of my kenwood amp to philips dvd, my MS speakers clip at higher volume. i suspect my philips dvd is causing this. haven't tried my pioneer though, since there is no problem using this one to movies and audio to my old marantz.

this weekend i will try to break in again my MS but with caution since it is risky as what you have said. thanks sir nels. always on the rescue...

[arnel90]

sir nels,

pls. check your pm

[H a n $]

Kenwood mmhh sounded tube like?? pwede pwede hehehe.. ganda talaga ng kenwood ni Sir Akyat.. for the sound and price double hits!!

[Windrider]

kempoy, I use to own a KRF-5060 kenwood a/v receiver. Ok naman siya. vey good sound when it comes to movies. but not that much when you play cd's. If you are starting a home theater, i think, this receiver will be good enough.

[nels76]

sir nels,

pls. check your pm

be976,

dito ko na lang sagutin ha para mabasa din ng iba with the same question.

You were asking if it's ok to use 6-ohmers as front.

I was also asking this question to myself when i was still scouting for speakers to connect to my 9060D.

If the specs at the back of your receiver says "Speaker Impedance: 6 - 12ohms" then have a peace of mind because your receiver and speakers will be operating safely even at high volume and no effect in the long run.

But if it says: "8 - 16 ohms only" then that is a minor concern.

Connecting speakers to an amp lower than what is specified makes the amps work harder. the lower the resistance, the more power is being drawn from the amp. and if the amp does not have the reserve power needed by the speaker (especially on loud movie passages and low frequency music) the amp may fail in the long run. The Speaker may also sound thin.

A "Lolo thunder' explosion may sound "5-Star" for example. Actually, you may not see the immediate negative effects but in the long run.

It's like this:

Car Manufacturers sets the top speed there product can run safely, say, 200kph Max. But, of course, you can run it beyond 200kph but there is a risk of failure.

For further readings, go to this link. You will notice I was asking the same question before.

http://www.pinoydvd.com/yabbse/index.php?board=10;action=display;threadid=1615;start=80

[arnel90]

thanks nels76 for redirecting that informative link, also to those who gave their expert opinion on speaker impedance.  

[james16]

be976,

dito ko na lang sagutin ha para mabasa din ng iba with the same question.

You were asking if it's ok to use 6-ohmers as front.

I was also asking this question to myself when i was still scouting for speakers to connect to my 9060D.

If the specs at the back of your receiver says "Speaker Impedance: 6 - 12ohms" then have a peace of mind because your receiver and speakers will be operating safely even at high volume and no effect in the long run.

But if it says: "8 - 16 ohms only" then that is a minor concern.

Connecting speakers to an amp lower than what is specified makes the amps work harder. the lower the resistance, the more power is being drawn from the amp. and if the amp does not have the reserve power needed by the speaker (especially on loud movie passages and low frequency music) the amp may fail in the long run. The Speaker may also sound thin.

A "Lolo thunder' explosion may sound "5-Star" for example. Actually, you may not see the immediate negative effects but in the long run.

It's like this:

Car Manufacturers sets the top speed there product can run safely, say, 200kph Max. But, of course, you can run it beyond 200kph but there is a risk of failure.

For further readings, go to this link. You will notice I was asking the same question before.

http://www.pinoydvd.com/yabbse/index.php?board=10;action=display;threadid=1615;start=80

iba talaga ang guru ng 9060D....

[j_albert22]

tsaka may golden earsss OONGIIII

[nels76]

james 16, j_albert,

Lahat tayo may golden ears na after last saturday's session. Oongii...

Anglandi pala ni Nina kumanta.

[H a n $]

Nels76,

Pre malambing naman pre... hehehehe..  

[j_albert22]

halatang fans ka ni nina ha kala ko kay maui at rica lang e

[H a n $]

J_albert,

Iba naman magsing yan dalawang yan...

[nels76]

Hans,

Oo nga. Iba Microphone ang hawak. hehe

[Narayan]

nels, am not sure if you have tested your kenwood 9060 AVR with the WS preamp. if not, you will be interested to know the result of a test i made.

last friday i obliged to have jerix hear the WS preamp hooked to an AVR. for the 1st time, i hooked ung preamp sa aking 9060 + dvd player + MS 902.

what i noticed was that the bass of the 902s were somewhat tempered..... parang less boomy and sabi ni jerix para daw a layer covering the music was removed.

ang set up was analog ung audio out when using the preamp na nakapasok sa cd in while digital but stereo listening mode pag compare using the AVR's own preamp.

have asked jerix to post his observations too. mga martes next week daw. abangan mo bro. tnx

[nels76]

Narayan,

Yes. Please. post your review of WS and 9060D combination in Stereo Mode.

Kindly make also some experimentation on the use of the 9060D's Active EQ while WS is connected. And also when TONE is defeated.

I'll be getting a unit soon and actually heven't heard the WS-9060D combo in stereo although our past listening sessions have proven that the WS has indeed made some sound improvement.

Was it positive or negative?

By the way, just got my DVD 21.

Cheers.