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Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
« Reply #90 on: Aug 18, 2013 at 10:25 PM »
Partally taken from:

http://www.angelfire.com/music5/dcband/service.html

For those who are comtemplating or in service to the Lord (Which we all believers supposed are  ;D)

To properly understand the discipline of service, we must clearly distinguish it from “self-righteous service:”

Self-righteous service comes through human effort. It expends immense amounts of energy calculating and scheming how to render service. . . It is impressed with the “big deal” (big projects). . . It requires external rewards. It needs to know that people see and appreciate the effort. . . It is highly concerned about results. It eagerly waits to see if the person served will reciprocate in kind. It becomes bitter when the results fall below expectation.. . . It picks and chooses whom to serve. . . It insists on meeting the need even when to do so would be destructive. . . It is affected by moods and whims. It can serve only when there is a “feeling” to serve”. . . It is temporary . . . Insensitive . . . Fractures community” (Foster, 128-129).

True Service comes from a relationship with the divine Other deep inside. We serve out of whispered promptings, divine urgings. . . True service rests contented in hidden-ness. It does not fear the lights and blare of attention, but it does not seek them either. . . True service is indiscriminate in its ministry. It has heard the command of Jesus to be the “servant of all” (Mark 9:35). . . True service ministers simply and faithfully because there is a need. . . True service is a life-style. It acts from ingrained patterns of living. . . True service builds community. It quietly and unpretentiously goes about caring for the needs of others. It draws, binds, heals, builds (Foster, 128-130).

True service is a result of giving up control; of submitting to the will of God in our lives. God uses this discipline to teach us humility. For humility is one of those character traits that can never be attained by seeking. The more we chase after it, the farther it is from us, and the minute we think we have attained it, we simply prove otherwise by our own arrogance.

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Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
« Reply #91 on: Sep 06, 2013 at 12:10 AM »
Cross-posting as per the request of master Nelson:
 
Started as a joke from sir ninja:
 
kung religious kayo mga bro wag kayo magreklamo sa mga ganyan kasi sabi nga sa matthew .. blessed are the poor  :P

Short comment lang ako, kasi super-OT:
 
Mt. 5:3 doesn't say, "Blessed are the poor," it says, "Blessed are the poor in spirit."

Siyempre, ang susunod na tanong ay --- ano ang kaibahan ng "poor" sa "poor in spirit"?

Mahabang diskusyon yan e ...  ;)
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Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
« Reply #92 on: Sep 06, 2013 at 12:22 AM »
Beatitude!

Medjo di ko masagot yan difference na yan. Why? Because we should be rich in God's Spirit dba? The Holy Spirit. So paano nga ba naging blessed ang poor in spirit? Is it because God is looking/watching upon them so they may be children of God in the future?

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Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
« Reply #93 on: Sep 06, 2013 at 02:06 AM »
poor in spirit means the non-believers ???
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Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
« Reply #94 on: Sep 06, 2013 at 04:02 PM »
poor in spirit means the non-believers ???

No, that's not it.
 
Kung ganon, magiging ganito:  Blessed are the non-believers for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
 
E di kung believer ka, hindi ka blessed.  Dapat maging non-believer ka para maging blessed ka. 
 
That wouldn't make sense.

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Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
« Reply #95 on: Sep 06, 2013 at 04:30 PM »
Beatitude!

Medjo di ko masagot yan difference na yan. Why? Because we should be rich in God's Spirit dba? The Holy Spirit. So paano nga ba naging blessed ang poor in spirit? Is it because God is looking/watching upon them so they may be children of God in the future?

To understand it, we should keep in mind that the New Testament was originally written not in English, but in Greek.
 
Eto ang Greek interlinear:
 
http://biblehub.com/interlinear/matthew/5-3.htm
 
In Mt. 5:3, the word "poor" is a translation of the original Greek "ptōchoi."  It literally means, "to crouch or cower like a beggar."  Figuratively, it means "one who is utterly destitute."   
 
It refers to being beggarly, not just to someone who is poor but not a beggar. 
 
In contrast, the poor widow in Luke 21:2 was poor, but was not a beggar.  In that verse, the word "poor" was a translation from the original "penichran" --- one who is so poor that he can barely make ends meet, but is not a beggar. http://biblehub.com/interlinear/luke/21-2.htm
 
Mt. 5:3 says that those who are beggarly in spirit are blessed.  Like a literal beggar who is aware that he cannot survive without the generosity of alms-givers, the one who is beggarly in spirit recognizes that he cannot spiritually survive without God's grace.  Therefore, blessed are they who crouch and cower, begging for God's grace, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
 
Simply stated, being "poor in spirit" means being "humble in spirit," as opposed to having "pride in spirit."
 
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« Reply #96 on: Sep 06, 2013 at 07:52 PM »

To understand it, we should keep in mind that the New Testament was originally written not in English, but in Greek and Aramaic.
 
Eto ang Greek interlinear:
 
http://biblehub.com/interlinear/matthew/5-3.htm
 
In Mt. 5:3, the word "poor" is a translation of the original Greek "ptōchoi."  It literally means, "to crouch or cower like a beggar."  Figuratively, it means "one who is utterly destitute."   
 
It refers to being beggarly, not just to someone who is poor but not a beggar. 
 
In contrast, the poor widow in Luke 21:2 was poor, but was not a beggar.  In that verse, the word "poor" was a translation from the original "penichran" --- one who is so poor that he can barely make ends meet, but is not a beggar. http://biblehub.com/interlinear/luke/21-2.htm
 
Mt. 3:5 says that those who are beggarly in spirit are blessed.  Like a literal beggar who is aware that he cannot survive without the generosity of alms-givers, the one who is beggarly in spirit recognizes that he cannot spiritually survive without God's grace.  Therefore, blessed are they who crouch and cower, begging for God's grace, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
 
Simply stated, being "poor in spirit" means being "humble in spirit," as opposed to having "pride in spirit."

Wow. Thank you very much for the explanation. Kaya gustong gusto ko matuto ng hebrew, greek aramaic language used in the bible. Sobra daw magiging in-depth ang knowledge mo thereby strengthening your faith.

And honestly very timely din yan explanation mo. Sometimes I have this habit din of nawawala ang dependency ko sa Diyos. Sometimes nagiging "self righteous" ako to a point na i do things not to glorify God but to glorify myself.
Haaay...

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Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
« Reply #97 on: Sep 06, 2013 at 10:57 PM »
thanks barrister :)
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Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
« Reply #98 on: Sep 07, 2013 at 12:35 AM »
Share lang ako ng opinion ko.

Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the Kingdom of Heaven:
Ang pagkaunawa ko po kapag poor in spirit ang isang tao ang pakiramdam nya ay may inadequacy sa kanyang puso about spiritual salvation. Pakiramdam nya ay sobrang makasalanan sya. That is why they always pray and ask guidance from the Lord. Isa sa dahilan para maligtas at magmamana ng Kaharian ng Diyos.

Blessed are the poor, for yours is the Kingdom of God:
Dahil hirap sa buhay, ni hindi makakain ng tatlong beses sa loob ng isang araw at dumadanas ng ibat ibang pagsubok sa buhay, sila ay madalas manalangin at laging nakaka alala sa Diyos. Humihingi ng pagasa, konting biyaya, kapatawaran at maligtas sa kasamaan pagdating ng huling araw. Pero hindi rin ibig sabihin na dahil mahirap ka ay blessed ka na at magmamana na agad ng kaharian ng Diyos.

On the other hand, meron namang mga mayaman (hindi lahat) whom they feel they are spiritually blessed dahil sila ay may material wealth. Walang ginawa kundi ipangalandakan ang kanilang pagtulong sa kapwa. At meron din namang mga tao na ginagamit ang pagiging mahirap nila para gawing hanap buhay.

Mayaman ka man na naghahanap ng tunay na spiritual enlighthement o mahirap na tao na totoong nananalagin at gumagawa ng naayon sa kagustuhan ng Diyos ay magmamana ng kaharian. Being poor in spirit or being poor like beggars ang tendency natin is to seek the mercy of God. Nagiging simula at daan patungo sa Kristiyanong buhay.

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Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
« Reply #99 on: Sep 07, 2013 at 02:06 PM »
Very good observations, sir whirlpool.

That is a comparison between the Matthew beatitudes and the Luke beatitudes. 

Mt. 5:3 says, "Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven."  Matthew was a Jew, and the intended audience is Jewish.  His account is usually called the "Sermon on the Mount" because Jesus delivered the Matthew beatitudes after "He went up on a mountainside and sat down."  Similar to Moses who climbed the mount.

Lk. 6:20 says, "Blessed are you who are poor, for yours is the kingdom of God."  Luke was most probably a Gentile, and his intended audience was the non-Jewish.  His account is usually called the "Sermon on the Plain" because Jesus delivered the Luke beatitudes after "He went down with them and stood on a level place." 

Unlike Matthew (a former tax collector), who was one of the disciples, Luke (a doctor) was not one of the 12 apostles who actually witnessed the events he wrote about.  That is why Luke explained in his address to Theophilus in Lk. 1: 1-4:

Many have undertaken to draw up an account of the things that have been fulfilled among us, 2 just as they were handed down to us by those who from the first were eyewitnesses and servants of the word.3 With this in mind, since I myself have carefully investigated everything from the beginning, I too decided to write an orderly account for you, most excellent Theophilus,4 so that you may know the certainty of the things you have been taught.

The translation "poor" in both verses came from the Greek "ptōchoi," showing that both versions refer to the same thing --- crouching and cowering as a beggar.  Therefore, the main idea in both verses is about the spiritually humble, even if it is true that being materially poor has a strong connection to being spiritually humble.

The difference in the two renditions is in the emphasis.  The Matthew version emphasized the spiritual aspect.   But the Luke version gave emphasis to the connection between being materially poor and being spiritually humble.

However, Luke does not mean that being materially poor automatically leads to spiritual humility.  Notice that Luke also used the word "ptōchoi" for "poor," not "penichran."  Kasi may mahihirap na mga walanghiya pa rin --- mga professional squatter, addict, snatcher, holdupper, rapist din naman.

Kaya nga sabi sa Luke, "Blessed are YOU who are poor" --- hindi lahat ng poor --- yung mga kausap lang niya na spiritually humble na nagkataon na poor din.  Kaya nga nandoon silang nagpapakahirap makinig sa sermon ni Jesus Christ, kasi spiritually humble nga sila.  Hindi kasama doon yung mga poor na walanghiya.

So we're basically saying the same thing.  Ang difference lang, I prefer to stick to the actual words stated in the bible.
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« Reply #100 on: Sep 07, 2013 at 10:40 PM »
Very good observations, sir whirlpool.

That is a comparison between the Matthew beatitudes and the Luke beatitudes. 

Mt. 5:3 says, "Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven."  Matthew was a Jew, and the intended audience is Jewish.  His account is usually called the "Sermon on the Mount" because Jesus delivered the Matthew beatitudes after "He went up on a mountainside and sat down."  Similar to Moses who climbed the mount.

Lk. 6:20 says, "Blessed are you who are poor, for yours is the kingdom of God."  Luke was most probably a Gentile, and his intended audience was the non-Jewish.  His account is usually called the "Sermon on the Plain" because Jesus delivered the Luke beatitudes after "He went down with them and stood on a level place." 

Unlike Matthew (a former tax collector), who was one of the disciples, Luke (a doctor) was not one of the 12 apostles who actually witnessed the events he wrote about.  That is why Luke explained in his address to Theophilus in Lk. 1: 1-4:

Many have undertaken to draw up an account of the things that have been fulfilled among us, 2 just as they were handed down to us by those who from the first were eyewitnesses and servants of the word.3 With this in mind, since I myself have carefully investigated everything from the beginning, I too decided to write an orderly account for you, most excellent Theophilus,4 so that you may know the certainty of the things you have been taught.

The translation "poor" in both verses came from the Greek "ptōchoi," showing that both versions refer to the same thing --- crouching and cowering as a beggar.  Therefore, the main idea in both verses is about the spiritually humble, even if it is true that being materially poor has a strong connection to being spiritually humble.

The difference in the two renditions is in the emphasis.  The Matthew version emphasized the spiritual aspect.   But the Luke version gave emphasis to the connection between being materially poor and being spiritually humble.

However, Luke does not mean that being materially poor automatically leads to spiritual humility.  Notice that Luke also used the word "ptōchoi" for "poor," not "penichran."  Kasi may mahihirap na mga walanghiya pa rin --- mga professional squatter, addict, snatcher, holdupper, rapist din naman.

Kaya nga sabi sa Luke, "Blessed are YOU who are poor" --- hindi lahat ng poor --- yung mga kausap lang niya na spiritually humble na nagkataon na poor din.  Kaya nga nandoon silang nagpapakahirap makinig sa sermon ni Jesus Christ, kasi spiritually humble nga sila.  Hindi kasama doon yung mga poor na walanghiya.

So we're basically saying the same thing.  Ang difference lang, I prefer to stick to the actual words stated in the bible.

Salamat po. Na inspire tuloy akong basahin ang buong thread na ito. Reading page 3 now.

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« Reply #101 on: Sep 08, 2013 at 05:12 PM »
Salamat po. Na inspire tuloy akong basahin ang buong thread na ito. Reading page 3 now.

Nice. Read more. Pati si Pilyo.

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« Reply #102 on: Sep 14, 2013 at 08:48 PM »
Cross-posting:

For with much wisdom comes much sorrow; the more knowledge, the more grief. ◄ Ecclesiastes 1:18 ►

i don't agree with this. it's because of ignorance and stupidity that we are in this hell hole.

That's right.  That is why the same book of Ecclessiastes also says this about knowledge and wisdom:

11 Wisdom, like an inheritance, is a good thing and benefits those who see the sun. 12 Wisdom is a shelter as money is a shelter, but the advantage of knowledge is this: Wisdom preserves those who have it. (Ecc. 7:11&12)

And Proverbs 24: 3&4 says:

3By wisdom a house is built, and through understanding it is established; 4through knowledge its rooms are filled with rare and beautiful treasures.

The tricky part is knowing how those verses are correctly applied.

Napa fast reading ako ng buong Ecclesiastes ng di oras.

Maraming sinasabing meaningless sa buong Ecclesiastes. But my thoughts were, those (riches, knowledge, toils) are all meaningless if not used properly, that is for the furtherance of his kingdom. And yes, the tricky part is, how those verses are supposedly applied. Since this is a kinda "baliktaktakan, would you like to transfer this sa religion thread naman para hindi naman tayo OT dito?  ;D

 
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Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
« Reply #103 on: Sep 14, 2013 at 09:42 PM »
Bakit nga ba puro "meaningless" ang theme ng Ecclesiastes? You should really read the whole book talaga if you want to get the full context.

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« Reply #104 on: Sep 14, 2013 at 09:55 PM »
Tama naman ang understanding mo sir Nelson sa Ecclesiastes.  Basta alam mo ang meaning ng "vanity," madali nang maintindihan ang tema.

Yung "meaningless" ay translation ng NIV (New International Version).  Better than "vanity" in the KJV (King James Version), but still not good enough.  Mas malapit ang "fleeting" na translation.

The orignal Hebrew is "hebel," which means "vapor" or "breath."  Ang vapor, lilitaw tapos mawawala uli.  Therefore, ang tinutukoy ay yung pagiging panandalian ---  yung temporary nature or state of things in this world. 

Ecclesiastes consists mainly of the reflections of the author.  They are not rules or guidelines, but merely his observations about the human condition.  At nakita niya na puro mga temporary lang ang mga nasa mundo, kasi mamamatay rin naman tayong lahat.

3 This is the evil in everything that happens under the sun: The same destiny overtakes all.  The hearts of people, moreover, are full of evil and there is madness in their hearts while they live, and afterward they join the dead. (Ecc. 9:3)

So, kung ang lahat ng bagay ay "fleeting," at mawawala rin ang lahat ng pinagpaguran mo, e di "meaningless" lang lahat ang mga ito.  At tama naman siya -- kung material things in this world lang ang objective niya.

At dahil material and worldly things lang ang pakay niya, walang rin siyang maayos na resolution sa hinaba-habang observations niya.
 
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Trivia:  What is the #1 pop song hit with the oldest lyrics?

"Turn! Turn! Turn! (to Everything There Is a Season)" by The Byrds, which was based on the text of Ecc. 3:1-8:

To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven:
A time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, a time to reap that which is planted;
A time to kill, and a time to heal; a time to break down, and a time to build up;
A time to weep, and a time to laugh; a time to mourn, and a time to dance;
A time to cast away stones, and a time to gather stones together; a time to embrace, and a time to refrain from embracing;
A time to get, and a time to lose; a time to keep, and a time to cast away;
A time to rend, and a time to sow; a time to keep silence, and a time to speak;
A time to love, and a time to hate; a time of war, and a time of peace.




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6jxxagVEO4
 
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Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
« Reply #105 on: Sep 14, 2013 at 10:57 PM »
Thanks atty. master theologian barrister.  ;D he usual misinterpretations din nito is you cannot enter the kingdom of God when you are rich. But ang pagkaka-alam ko, we are merely stewards of these riches, wisdom and knowledge. It's up to us how to use it wisely for the glory of God.

Eto pala magandang story about a person who was continuously rewarded by God because of his good stewardship:

http://www.giantsforgod.com/henry-parsons-crowell-quaker-oats/

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« Reply #106 on: Sep 14, 2013 at 11:01 PM »
Pag si fr barrister magsermon sa church namin baka pumunta ako every week.

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« Reply #107 on: Sep 16, 2013 at 03:03 PM »
Pag si fr barrister magsermon sa church namin baka pumunta ako every week.

Bakit di natin siya invite for coffee? ;D

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« Reply #108 on: Sep 16, 2013 at 07:09 PM »
Bakit nga ba puro "meaningless" ang theme ng Ecclesiastes? You should really read the whole book talaga if you want to get the full context.

Yan ang Top 1 Book ko sa Canons :) next is John then Philippians.

Meaninglessnes of "Life" is what makes me hold on sa Faith(-Alone ;) hi atty barrister ;D) personally.

Hence, I will/never be an Atheist/Agnostic because of the Wisdom/Truth in that book. :)
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« Reply #109 on: Sep 16, 2013 at 11:24 PM »
Bakit di natin siya invite for coffee? ;D

Ang dami siguro natin matutunan kay atty. barrister.

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« Reply #110 on: Sep 17, 2013 at 12:55 AM »
Ang dami siguro natin matutunan kay atty. barrister.

Exactly. Question of application na lang.
Ayun oh! Dayuhin natin sa Marikina?

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« Reply #111 on: Sep 17, 2013 at 05:37 PM »
Ayun oh! Dayuhin natin sa Marikina?

Wag na sir, baka umulan, wala silang salbabida ...   :D

Marami namang magandang topic na puwede dito.  It's a good thread, kasi no debates allowed.  Hindi naman natin sinasabing wag mag debate, just not on this thread. 

Yung mga denominational doctrines ang delikado.  Too controversial.

Sa mga less controversial issues na lang tayo.   You gave me an idea for a good topic:

.. he usual misinterpretations din nito is you cannot enter the kingdom of God when you are rich. But ang pagkaka-alam ko, we are merely stewards of these riches, wisdom and knowledge. It's up to us how to use it wisely for the glory of God.

The gospels tell the story about the rich young man who observed the commandments and asked Jesus what else he should do to gain eternal life.  Jesus told him to sell everything he has and give to the poor, "then come, follow me."

If there's nothing wrong with being rich, then why does Jesus require us to sell everything we have and give to the poor before we can follow Him?   
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« Reply #112 on: Sep 17, 2013 at 06:01 PM »
In that man's case, i think Jesus knows that the man's riches will be a hindrance sa kanyang salvation. God and Jesus, being all knowing, ( just as how Jesus foretold the Juda's betrayal ) already knew that hindrance kaya that was Jesus's response.

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« Reply #113 on: Sep 17, 2013 at 07:21 PM »
I love this passage. This only shows that we can't do anything to obtain eternal life. Jesus said what is impossible to man is possible to God.

The issue is not about wealth... the issue is how the rich man see himself... the rich man see himself as a righteous man... Jesus told the rich man that he need to obey the 6th, 7th, 8th, 9th and 5th commandment and added Leviticus 19:18. at this moment, gusto ni Jesus na marealize ng rich man ang pagigi niyang makasalanan... and yet the rich man responded that he did it all and still seeking for the 'big/grand' work as a requirement to have eternal life. Nang makita ni Jesus na walang repentant heart ang rich man, He told him to forsake all his possesions and follow Him. at this moment, Jesus wanted the rich man to confess his sin. If the rich man truly obey the commandment, if he really love his neighbour as himself, giving his possession or priority will be easy. and since the rich man is too self-righteous to admit his sins and dont want to submit to authority (Jesus lordship) he go away without obtaining eternal life.

may kaparehong kuwento ang passage na ito... iyong tungkol kay Zaccheus (Luke 19)... similar plot but different ending. the rich man go away without eternal life, Zaccheus obtained eternal life.

Favorite verse: Matthew 19:26 ".... With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible."
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Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
« Reply #114 on: Sep 17, 2013 at 09:31 PM »
Pwede din!!!

So even if according to the rich man, maski na he followed all the commandments, kung he does not want to follow Jesus, (probably, acknowledgment that Jesus is the only way to salvation), he cannot gain eternal life.

Does this mean that the rich man is simply following the commandments not by heart, pero just for the sake na it is commanded. For the rich man, he probably thought na following the commandments would gain him eternal life.

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Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
« Reply #115 on: Sep 17, 2013 at 10:48 PM »
Easy lang pala sa inyo yon mga sir.  You're both right.  ;)

The common misinterpretation is that everyone should sell his possessions, which is not correct.  Ang utos ni Hesus ay hindi para sa lahat; para lang yon sa kausap niya na rich young man.

Israelite siya, at sinusunod naman niya ang commandments.  What else does he need to gain eternal life?

Nakita kasi si Hesus ang puso niya.  And even if it was the first time Jesus saw the young man face to face, Jesus already knew that the young man loved his riches too much. Therefore, for that young man, he has to give up his riches.  And the same is true for all rich men who love their wealth too much. 

You can be rich without loving your wealth more than God.  Ok lang maging rich kung ganon.

How do we know that the commandment to give up riches is not for all followers of Jesus?  Easy.  Kasi kung para sa lahat, dapat walang follower si Jesus na mayaman kahit isa.  May follower ba siya na mayaman?  Yes.

57 As evening approached, there came a rich man from Arimathea, named Joseph, who had himself become a disciple of Jesus. 58 Going to Pilate, he asked for Jesus’ body, and Pilate ordered that it be given to him. 59 Joseph took the body, wrapped it in a clean linen cloth, 60 and placed it in his own new tomb that he had cut out of the rock. He rolled a big stone in front of the entrance to the tomb and went away.  (Mt. 27:57-60)

Joseph of Arimathea was a rich man who was also a follower of Jesus.  He donated a new, unused tomb for the burial of Jesus' body.

Akala ko ba kailangan poor para maging follower ni Jesus?  Bakit ito, rich man, pero follower ni Jesus?  Walang sinabi sa kanya na ipamigay mo muna lahat ng properties mo before you can follow Me.  Katunayan lang na hindi masama ang riches, basta huwag mo lang mamahalin masyado yon.

Kaya nga ang sabi sa 1 Tim. 6:10:

10 For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.

Ang root of all evil ay "love of money," hindi basta "money."  Masama ba ang pera per se?  Hindi.  Dahil sa pera, matutulungan mo yung mga walang pambayad ng gamot.  Matutulungan mo yung mga walang pambayad ng tuition.  E di maraming kabutihang magagawa ang pera.  Ang masama, yung mahalin mo ang pera.
 
Paano naman yung sinasabing imposible daw makapasok sa Kingdom of God ang mayaman?

23 Jesus looked around and said to his disciples, “How hard it is for the rich to enter the kingdom of God!” 24 The disciples were amazed at his words. But Jesus said again, “Children, how hard it is to enter the kingdom of God! 25 It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God.” (Mk. 10:23-25)

Maaaring impossible, without God's help.   But possible with God's help.  Ituloy natin yung verses:

26 The disciples were even more amazed, and said to each other, “Who then can be saved?”  27 Jesus looked at them and said, “With man this is impossible, but not with God; all things are possible with God.” (Mk. 10:26-27)
 
So even if according to the rich man, maski na he followed all the commandments, kung he does not want to follow Jesus, (probably, acknowledgment that Jesus is the only way to salvation), he cannot gain eternal life.

Does this mean that the rich man is simply following the commandments not by heart, pero just for the sake na it is commanded. For the rich man, he probably thought na following the commandments would gain him eternal life.

Not exactly.  Remember, the rich man was an Israelite.  He follows the commandments of the Old Testament.  Wala pang written New Testament noong panahon niya. 

Ang hirap sundin ng mga commandments sa Old Testament, ang dami non --- hindi lang 10 commandments, pati lahat ng laws and ordinances from Moses gaya ng 1 weekly sabbath and 7 annual sabbaths, utos sa diet, animal sacrifices, and so many others.  Ang turo sa kanila, yon ang paraan ng salvation --- sundin mo lahat ng laws and ordinances from Moses.

Ngayon, parang ordinary na lang yung sinabi ni Jesus, kasi bata pa tayo naririnig na natin yon.  Pero noong panahon ng rich young man na yon, that teaching was revolutionary.  Ang turo ng mga rabbi nila, pag mayaman ka, ay dahil pinagpala ka ng Diyos.  The idea that riches will cause us to turn away from God was a radically new teaching from Jesus. 
 
The rich man honestly believed na nagawa na niyang lahat para maligtas, yun pala may kulang pa, na hindi pa niya narinig sa mga religious leaders ng mga Hudyong kagaya niya.   

Isip pa ako ng ibang topic...  :)
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Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
« Reply #116 on: Sep 18, 2013 at 12:50 AM »
Tama. Jesus's teachings was so radical kaya siya pinagtulungan. Imagine na lang natin dati, uso ata ang revenge. An eye for an eye. a tooth for a tooth. But binago ni Jesus yun. Jesus teaches peace.
Naalala ko, sabi ng kakilala ko, sino ang tutulong sa mahirap kung walang mayaman. At aanhin ng mayayaman ang riches nila kung wala naman mahirap.

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Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
« Reply #117 on: Oct 02, 2013 at 01:04 PM »
Subscribing.. :)

What a way to shine light on others. Kung sana ay lahat ng Katoliko, ganito pakiramdam just after hearing mass on sundays, edi sana maganda buhay.

Admittedly, I myself is falling into a slump myself with all the stresses with my daily life. It's good to have a refreshing view from the word of God.

Tanong, back topic on the road rage issues. I myself, is admittedly, the one with a short fuse, when it comes to road courtesy. It's okay to be angry "righteously", then what would the bible suggest we do with the "righteous" anger we feel when we are wronged in our daily lives, more specifically, on the road?

Do the saying when someone slaps you're left cheek, you offer the other side?

But then, that would go in contrary to a good principle I take to heart, "All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing".
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Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
« Reply #118 on: Oct 02, 2013 at 10:09 PM »
Tanong, back topic on the road rage issues. I myself, is admittedly, the one with a short fuse, when it comes to road courtesy. It's okay to be angry "righteously", then what would the bible suggest we do with the "righteous" anger we feel when we are wronged in our daily lives, more specifically, on the road?

You are not a bible novice, since you already know that not all forms of anger are prohibited.  You are aware that there is such a thing as "righteous anger," which is allowed.

However, even if you know that righteous anger is allowed, your next problem is how to tell when anger can or cannot be considered "righteous."  Don't ask the angry guy.  He will insist that his anger is always righteous.  ;) 

Since Jesus committed no sin, we can get correct examples of righteous anger by studying the instances when Jesus was angry.  In the bible, there are three instances where Jesus was angry:

- First is the most popular instance, where Jesus drove out the merchants from the temple, because they made His Father's house into "a den of thieves."
- Second is the story about the healing of a man's withered hand, where Jesus became angry because of the hardness of the hearts of the people at the synagogue. 
- Third is the instance where Jesus was "much displeased" when His disciples did not allow the little children to approach Him. 

You will notice the Jesus' anger was not for His own material benefit, but was spiritual in nature and for the benefit of the Father.

Obviously, traffic annoyances are not something that can qualify as an anger that is selfless and for a spiritual purpose.  I don't think that can be considered "righteous anger" by any stretch of the imagination.

You know the anger management technique of counting to 10?  It really works.  There's a jerk who cut into your lane.  Count to 10 first, then be thankful that no serious accident happened, and your anger will quickly mellow.

What's the bible's advice?   Basically the same thing.  It says, "Be slow to become angry":

My dear brothers and sisters, take note of this: Everyone should be quick to listen, slow to speak and slow to become angry, because human anger does not produce the righteousness that God desires. (James 1:19-20)
 


Do the saying when someone slaps you're left cheek, you offer the other side?

Not the left cheek. ;)

That's a deceptively simple bible verse, yet very commonly misunderstood.

38 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth. 39 But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also.  (Mt. 5:38-39)

Notice that it says "right cheek," not "left cheek." 

Right and left are very significant in the bible.  The right is good; the left is bad.  The right hand does the work; the left hand does not. 

In those days, a slap on the face was an extreme insult.  Those from the higher ranks of society insult the lower classes by slapping them on the face with the back of the hand.  Why backhanded?  Because the one delivering the slap doesn't want his palm to touch any part of the body of a lower-class person.  Therefore, a backhanded slap is even more insulting than an ordinary slap with the palm.

When two persons are facing each other, and the slapper uses the back of his right hand to strike the other on the cheek, the victim gets hit on his right cheek.  And that's the significance of getting a slap on the right cheek --- it means you were given a backhanded slap, which is extremely insulting.

Therefore, it's not really about the physical slap on the face.  It's just a poetic way of talking about somebody who receives great insult and humiliation. 

Why offer the other cheek?   Because by offering the other cheek, the offender will find it difficult to deliver a second slap.  How so?

The offender won't use his left hand because that goes against tradition.  But his right hand can't use a backhanded slap on the victim's left cheek, so the offender will be forced to use his right palm or a fist.  But a non-backhand is more proper for an equal, not for someone of lower status.  So, using the palm or fist will deprive the offender the opportunity of displaying his superior status and delivering a more serious insult.

Note that it's talking about how you deal with personal insults.  It's not in any way talking about prohibiting self-defense against an axe murderer.

Therefore, turning the other cheek simply means not to take revenge for petty things such as personal insults.  By not seeking revenge, you put a stop to a cycle of ever-escalating violence.  You turn the other cheek by helping the offender realize that his actions are unjustified, then standing back and allowing God to do the rest.
 
 
 
But then, that would go in contrary to a good principle I take to heart, "All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing".

That's a very famous quote often attributed to Edmund Burke, although there's no clear evidence that he actually said or wrote it.

The most important thing to remember is that quote is almost always applied to politics.  Which is not surprising, since Edmund Burke was, after all, a political philosopher.

Politics is outside of the scope of the bible.  That's because politics is part of the material world, and the bible concerns itself with man's spiritual salvation.

To give you an example, the Roman government during the time of Jesus was very cruel.  Death by crucifixion was extremely cruel and barbaric.  What did Jesus and his followers say about it?  Did they protest by marching on the streets with placards saying, "Abolish flogging and crucifixion"?  No.
 
Did Jesus criticize the Roman government and advocate democracy?  No.   
 
Roman taxation during that time was excessive and unjust.  Did Jesus advocate proper representation in taxation?  No.  He just told His followers to pay the tax.  Even when forced to give an opinion on taxation, Jesus still refused to criticize the Roman tax.

True Christianity actively avoids politics.  Don't believe that political activism is a Christian duty.   

Therefore, even though I agree that it's a good quote, I still believe that the proper approach should be to leave scripture out of it.
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Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
« Reply #119 on: Oct 02, 2013 at 10:50 PM »
Wow! Thanks so much atty. for that very wonderful message from the bible. You are truly a blessing to this community. A very good stewart of wisdom.