Author Topic: Comparisons of Receivers (Read 336005 times)

john5479 · « **Reply #210 on:** Dec 04, 2002 at 09:53 PM »

the lower priced pioneers are ok for movies but not much for music listening, their flagship receiver though (vsx-49txi) is a different story

jazzyjayt · « **Reply #211 on:** Dec 05, 2002 at 12:58 AM »

what about harman kardon AR-1550? i saw it at podium's soundroom (5th flr) going for around P18k, but they will give it at P16.1k cash. 50w output daw but i read from a website that 40w lang. it handles DD, dts, and even DPL2 daw.

i told the guy that it's for a small room only, so he recommended the harman above, with a JBL SCS-138 5.1 set. P16.2k cash. parang mahina yung subwoofer na kasama: 100 watts RMS, 40-120hz, pero i couldnt feel any pounding when they played 'saving private ryan'.

any comments on either the harman or the 5.1 JBL?

john5479 · « **Reply #212 on:** Dec 05, 2002 at 03:12 AM »

the harman kardon is high current and i can attest to its musicality and yes it does use prologic II, but i think you might want to look elsewhere for the speakers, try getting speakers with relatively high sensitivity (89dB up).

jazzyjayt · « **Reply #213 on:** Dec 05, 2002 at 08:22 AM »

hi JOHN5479! the JBL SCS 138 satellites sensitivity is rated at 86db, its center channel at 88db. which brands/models would you recommend that's in the same price range (P15-16k, including active sub). thanks!

sgc_wdi · « **Reply #214 on:** Dec 05, 2002 at 10:35 AM »

I did a search on the marantz sr4200 and 5200, wala atang component video in and out?

iceman90a · « **Reply #215 on:** Dec 05, 2002 at 11:07 AM »

Quote from: sgc_wdi on Dec 05, 2002 at 10:35 AM

I did a search on the marantz sr4200 and 5200, wala atang component video in and out?

nope the sr4200 is only capable of s-video and composite video switching

sgc_wdi · « **Reply #216 on:** Dec 05, 2002 at 02:13 PM »

yup thanks. So does this mean that getting a Denon 1803 or an Onkyo SR600 is more worth it that getting a Yamaha RXV1300?

I think the Denon and Onkyo sells for around 24+ whil ethe Yamaha 30+?

kurdapio · « **Reply #217 on:** Dec 05, 2002 at 02:32 PM »

Guys,
somebody posted this before but for this who want to compare receivers, here is a great resource page.. Take a look here:: Libre ito, wag na kayong mahiya...

http://www.hometheaterforum.com/htforum/showthread.php?s=8c06072e5d9829aadbd3ec44ecb270c0&threadid=107960

MeowPao · « **Reply #218 on:** Dec 05, 2002 at 02:42 PM »

I'd still go for a Yamaha 1300/2300.

sgc_wdi · « **Reply #219 on:** Dec 05, 2002 at 03:31 PM »

Quote from: MeowPao on Dec 05, 2002 at 02:42 PM

I'd still go for a Yamaha 1300/2300.

mind telling us why?

MeowPao · « **Reply #220 on:** Dec 05, 2002 at 04:02 PM »

Quote from: sgc_wdi on Dec 05, 2002 at 03:31 PM

Quote from: MeowPao on Dec 05, 2002 at 02:42 PM
I'd still go for a Yamaha 1300/2300.

mind telling us why?

192khz DACs; higher wattage than the models 1200,2200,3200; 2 zones; the number of I/O terminals, number of DSPs, the clean look.

And with the 3300, it remembers different volume settings for different inputs, like say a different volume for DVDs and another for CDs.

Aside from the specs, I still have to see a major problem with Yamaha receivers.

Checking around, you'll see some brands with big problems with certain series.
As someone had told me when I was still a newbie: "if you want to be sure, get a Yamaha, di ka magkakamali dun".

Are the models (1300,2300,3300) out yet locally?
Last I asked wala pa daw balita. $:-\$

black power · « **Reply #221 on:** Dec 05, 2002 at 05:15 PM »

sgc,

i own a marantz 5200, yup wala nga siya component
video in/out.
but, i still enjoy the video component connection by
directly connecting my DVD to my TV which has
2 component video input.

iceman90a · « **Reply #222 on:** Dec 05, 2002 at 05:22 PM »

Quote from: black power on Dec 05, 2002 at 05:15 PM

sgc,

i own a marantz 5200, yup wala nga siya component
video in/out.
but, i still enjoy the video component connection by
directly connecting my DVD to my TV which has
2 component video input.

they say it's better that way. video switching on the avr should be a last resort if your display does not support multiple video in connections

sgc_wdi · « **Reply #223 on:** Dec 05, 2002 at 08:35 PM »

I see thanks guys... so what's the main difference between the 1200 and the 1300 yamahas?

MeowPao · « **Reply #224 on:** Dec 05, 2002 at 09:52 PM »

Quote from: sgc_wdi on Dec 05, 2002 at 08:35 PM

I see thanks guys... so what's the main difference between the 1200 and the 1300 yamahas?

These are the major differences that I know of:

RXV1200
80 watts, 96khz DAC, 2 buttons on front panel for input selection, 22 DSPs

RXV1300
100 watts, 192khz DAC, JOG dial on front panel for input selection , 25 DSPs

sgc_wdi · « **Reply #225 on:** Dec 06, 2002 at 10:27 PM »

MeowPao, thanks...

I guess for a smaller room ok na RXV1200...

D75C · « **Reply #226 on:** Dec 10, 2002 at 04:56 AM »

For the question regarding 192khz and 96khz DACs:

The more khz and more bits, the better the decoding for the audio soundtrack. The Clock (expressed in Khz) is the audio bandwidth and the amount of bits (20 or 24) is the audio resolution.

Going back to linear algebra, the bandwidth will be your x-axis, and the number of points along the y-axis is the resolution. The objective of the DAC is to convert those 0s and 1s into an analog waveform. The more points you plot in your graph, the smoother your audio signal will be.

DVD soundtracks whether dolby digital or DTS, are often 96-20. Super Audio CDs are the ones who really take advantage of the 192-24 resolution.

Check your player and your receiver if they can produce 192-24. Of course, this conversion is only possible when you use the digital outs of your system.

stradale · « **Reply #227 on:** Dec 10, 2002 at 09:39 AM »

Quote from: sgc_wdi on Dec 06, 2002 at 10:27 PM

MeowPao, thanks...

I guess for a smaller room ok na RXV1200...

Don't be misled by the 80-wpc RXV1200. Yamaha rates the outputs of its AVR's closer to the truth than say a Denon or Onkyo.

To illustrate, the RXV1200 has a 360-watt power transformer. It takes a Denon 3802 (400-watts) to top that. The power transformers of the 2802 (rated at 90-wpc) and 1802 (80-wpc) don't even come close.

Point is, the RXV1200 is more than enough even for sala sized rooms.

redkoji · « **Reply #228 on:** Dec 11, 2002 at 04:24 PM »

I know this is an off-shoot from your comparison.

Try mo Sherwood 6106...sells at P14,500. DTS, Dolby digital and Dolby Prologic 2.

Check-out mo na lang

sgc_wdi · « **Reply #229 on:** Dec 14, 2002 at 11:10 AM »

I just checked Michael's audio here in HK, the Onkyo SR600 sells for only 2780HK, around 19000+ only... The Denon 1803 sells at 3000+ more expensive... according to the guy I talked to, Denon is more expensive because of it's brand, but the Onkyo is a better performer. They didn't have Yamaha's, so I wasn't able to check how much.

john5479 · « **Reply #230 on:** Dec 14, 2002 at 12:30 PM »

yamaha is great for movies still i have not heard their newer models to comment on their audio capabilities compared to an marantz, NAD or harman kardon receiver.

jerix · « **Reply #231 on:** Dec 26, 2002 at 07:41 AM »

Quote from: caycski on Dec 04, 2002 at 04:51 PM

Guys,

How come no one among you recommend a "Pioneer" for HT/Audio receiver? Aint that good ba sya to be not included among Onkyo, Denon & Yamaha.

I'm curious co'z I'm going to audition this coming sat VSX-D811S-S at Listening Room (Mega). Can you give me some more insights re: pioneer before it's too late.

Your opinions are very much welcome. Thanks.

caycski

i just purchased this tol for 21,999.00. this one is excellent its features are the ffg: 120 w x 6 at 8 ohms, DD-ex, DTS-es, with 7 speaker output very enveloping talaga ang sorround nya, with ability to extract signals from the R and L sorround channels and placing in the SBR and SBL channels, all channels have pre-outs; meaning you can actually hooked it to a more powerful ampli should you want to use it for a real movie theater as big as theaters in sm siguro, its bass is very involving, but yet very crispy, dvd audio ready na sha with a 96/24 DAC.

my units are all pioneer and i got no qualms of recommending it. I think pre, with its price, this is the best model so far.

DViant · « **Reply #232 on:** Dec 26, 2002 at 09:18 PM »

I'm eyeing the Onkyo TX-SR600 and I was wondering what other AVRs are comparable to it? Any idea how much the TX-SR600's going for these days?

DViant · « **Reply #233 on:** Dec 26, 2002 at 09:41 PM »

What receivers are comparable to the Onkyo TX-SR600? I've been reading extremely different opinions about this receiver. One side says it is very good while others say it is really bad so what's the beef and what are my alternatives?

stradale · « **Reply #234 on:** Dec 26, 2002 at 09:57 PM »

I was going to get that same receiver until I encountered the mixed reviews. The power rating is overstated daw especially when using all 6-channels. Still, it seems to be a good receiver for the money.

Price and featurewise, I think it is comparable to a Denon 1803.

DViant · « **Reply #235 on:** Dec 26, 2002 at 10:34 PM »

Specs-wise the Denon AVR-1803 looks competent enough but a bit too much for me. A bit too much in the sense that I dont need an amp for another room. Meron bang walang non-multiroom amp ang Denon with the same feature set?

Yamaha's RX-V630 looks good also on paper. Ditto on Marantz SR5200 but the lack of component video in/out plunges it down my list but how much is it?

What other brands are at the same feature level as the Onkyo TX-SR600?

We got the ff brands nailed down.

Onkyo
Marantz
Yamaha
Denon

Ano pa? Harman Kardon, NAD(?), Pioneer and...?

DViant · « **Reply #236 on:** Dec 26, 2002 at 11:02 PM »

Quote from: sgc_wdi on Dec 03, 2002 at 03:55 PM

Quote from: sillyputty on Dec 03, 2002 at 03:15 PM
onkyo. all 6.1 formats are covered, OSD pa.

I think the denon also covers all 6.1 formats... wala lang OSD. Isn't it that Onkyo's are more for Audio enthusiasts? I plan to use the receiver for movies. Would the Onkyo do?

Forgive the ignorance but what does OSD stand for and what is its function?

iceman90a · « **Reply #237 on:** Dec 26, 2002 at 11:06 PM »

Quote from: DViant on Dec 26, 2002 at 11:02 PM

Forgive the ignorance but what does OSD stand for and what is its function?

On Screen Display - you can see the AVR's menu on the tv screen as you set it up or make changes

DViant · « **Reply #238 on:** Dec 26, 2002 at 11:14 PM »

Quote from: black power on Dec 05, 2002 at 05:15 PM

sgc,

i own a marantz 5200, yup wala nga siya component
video in/out.
but, i still enjoy the video component connection by
directly connecting my DVD to my TV which has
2 component video input.

If you don't mind saying how much did you get yours, when was that and from whom?

DViant · « **Reply #239 on:** Dec 26, 2002 at 11:22 PM »

Quote from: iceman90a on Dec 26, 2002 at 11:06 PM

Quote from: DViant on Dec 26, 2002 at 11:02 PM
Forgive the ignorance but what does OSD stand for and what is its function?

On Screen Display - you can see the AVR's menu on the tv screen as you set it up or make changes

TY