Author Topic: Laos na ba ang BD Players? (Read 24592 times)

barrister · « **on:** Dec 11, 2012 at 10:40 PM »

I want to upgrade my BD player.

I look at the Blu-ray Players Board and I see very little activity. The Board started in 2007, and it only has 6 pages of topics. Talo pa ng NMT Childboard --- started in 2008, now has 10 pages of topics.

Panasonic BDT-220 player sounds OK, but there's no thread for it, or for any 2012 Panny BD player for that matter.

Is any 2012 Panny BD player even available in the Phils?

Pioneer BDP-150 might be OK. There's a thread for it, but there's very little interest in it. A one-page thread for a 2012 mass-market model, and we're only weeks away from 2013.

I google for professional reviews on the Pio BDP-150 --- nothing.

I search for it on amazon --- it only has one user review!

http://www.amazon.com/Pioneer-BDP-150-Network-Enabled-Blu-ray/dp/B0083C8AQS

Unbelievable.

Laos na ba ang BD players?

Stagea · « **Reply #1 on:** Dec 11, 2012 at 11:59 PM »

I think madami pa naman gumagamit ng BDPs satin. It's just an unexciting (though not any less significant) device that people don't generally talk about. I know that there are merits in a good BDP, but many people find discussing it as exhilarating as comparing microwave ovens.

emvi_2000 · « **Reply #2 on:** Dec 12, 2012 at 12:02 AM »

Hmmm...and to think, I'm planning to buy my very frst BD player...and no idea what's the best buy locally...any region-free BD/DVD players around?

Macmon · « **Reply #3 on:** Dec 12, 2012 at 01:12 AM »

I got mine 2 or 3 years ago. And even without firmware update, it still works with the current BD titles. Definitely it is not 3D but as for me that is okay. The point I am raising is that since non3D BD are generally standard if you have an AVR, then the AVR gets updated the BD player remains the same. While others have HTIB so 1 less standalone BD player for that crowd. My unit a Panasonic BD player and still planning to use it. Happy with it. For short not Laos but just doing as it should be doing and worry about the rest of the gears.

Stagea · « **Reply #4 on:** Dec 12, 2012 at 01:44 AM »

I used to have 3 BD players in different locations (Cambridge Audio, Pioneer and LG), but it's now down to 1. I don't even use this last one for BDs anymore because all had been replaced by HTPCs. I ended up preferring the flexibility and PQ advantage of HTPCs over the convenience of a standalone device.

anya618 · « **Reply #5 on:** Dec 12, 2012 at 07:26 AM »

puro old model kasi binebenta dito eh

Stagea · « **Reply #6 on:** Dec 12, 2012 at 08:03 AM »

Quote from: anya618 on Dec 12, 2012 at 07:26 AM

puro old model kasi binebenta dito eh

Medyo mataas din yung pricing dito ng players compared sa major markets abroad. For the affordable players okay daw BDP-S190 and BDP-S590 based sa video benches, natatalo lang ng high end players sa noise control/reduction (which many people here don't like anyway) and deinterlacing (for 480i and 1080i sources). SRP lang nga nila dito is like 70-75% higher than the HK SRP.

Timithekid · « **Reply #7 on:** Dec 12, 2012 at 08:17 AM »

I'd have to agree that HTPC's and NMT's are preferred by many because of the flexibility. I guess i'm the old school type that likes the stand alone BD player. Iba para sa akin ang dating ng may collection ka of titles, seeing the rack kind of reminds me how much hard work is put in just to enjoy the hobby.

toys4geeks · « **Reply #8 on:** Dec 12, 2012 at 08:29 AM »

yung convenience ng NMT is if you are really into a huge collection and want everything in one place and on the fly. kahit pa BD.ISO yan, iba pa din ang dedicated BD players, wag ka lang magreklamo pag may region codes or firmware upgrades required on your BD player.

Plus side ng NMT, it keeps things simple for us to search our library. Do you miss the covers ng BD mo? or would want the exact BD cover sa NMT, aba eh sa realtek madali lang yan, rename mo yung lahat ng cover mo with the same file as your mkv, ayun, you will see in your thumbnail movie list yung files more are iconed with the BD cover from your favorite IMDB.org or blu-ray.com covers.

Eventually, I went to NMT+ BD combo route, not for savings (they are darn expensive vs. buying the two stand alones) but for the region free switching. I was to plunge with another one this year pero since after testing with 3D bluray playback di pa siya ready, eh tsaka na, i'll let it mature first.

Stagea · « **Reply #9 on:** Dec 12, 2012 at 08:37 AM »

Quote from: Timithekid on Dec 12, 2012 at 08:17 AM

I'd have to agree that HTPC's and NMT's are preferred by many because of the flexibility. I guess i'm the old school type that likes the stand alone BD player. Iba para sa akin ang dating ng may collection ka of titles, seeing the rack kind of reminds me how much hard work is put in just to enjoy the hobby.

Aside from HTPCs and Media Players, madami din gumagamit ng PS3s as BDPs.

Timithekid · « **Reply #10 on:** Dec 12, 2012 at 10:03 AM »

Quote from: Stagea on Dec 12, 2012 at 08:37 AM

Aside from HTPCs and Media Players, madami din gumagamit ng PS3s as BDPs.

Oh yeah, i almost forgot about my PS3 hehe, this used to be my BD player until i thought of dedicating it to gaming only.

barrister · « **Reply #11 on:** Dec 12, 2012 at 04:09 PM »

Cross-posting:

Quote from: barrister on Dec 12, 2012 at 04:07 PM

Thanks for the input sir Stagea.

I called SnS this afternoon:

Anong player ang available? --- Pioneer lang sir, 150 (P8,500) & 3110 (P4,990). 450 wala pa.
Mahina na ang benta ng BD players? --- Mahina na sir, puro media players ang gusto nila.
Merong Panasonic BD player? --- Matagal nang wala.
Walang stock o hindi na talaga nag release ang Panny Phil.? -- Hindi na talaga nag release, matagal na.

P4,990 na lang ang Pio BD player. Nakakaduda ang quality, parang CDR King Special na lang siguro ...

Panny Phil. wala nang BD. Panny Phil. ba naman, asa ka pa. ... puro wala? ... ang dami namang wala sa Panny Phil... kailan magsasara?

Mahina na raw talaga ang BD players. Laos na nga yata...

bartender · « **Reply #12 on:** Dec 12, 2012 at 04:27 PM »

Di pa naman siguro. Maybe just here in the Philippines since there's no market for BD here. Plus we still have a rampant culture of piracy for most of the Philippines. The PS3 also duplicates the function quite flawlessly so there might not be the need for a dedicated player. However, for heavy BD viewing, a PS3 is not ideal as it stresses the console much more than any game can.

Ang mahal lang talaga ng BD from local distributors, kaya tuloy di viable magbenta ng BDP sa Pinas.

gaol · « **Reply #13 on:** Dec 12, 2012 at 04:40 PM »

Quote from: bartender on Dec 12, 2012 at 04:27 PM

Di pa naman siguro. Maybe just here in the Philippines since there's no market for BD here. Plus we still have a rampant culture of piracy for most of the Philippines. The PS3 also duplicates the function quite flawlessly so there might not be the need for a dedicated player. However, for heavy BD viewing, a PS3 is not ideal as it stresses the console much more than any game can.

Ang mahal lang talaga ng BD from local distributors, kaya tuloy di viable magbenta ng BDP sa Pinas.

Malakas ang media players dito because it's easy to source downloadable "stuff." In the US, they monitor downloading of those kinds of stuff. Plus dito, hindi umabot sa punto na mura ang mga BD players with local warranty.

In the US, the BD players actually serve as their media players also, primarily as conduits for streaming services. The differentiation is no longer in the BD playback itself but in the number and quality of streaming services added on to the BD player. It works because it's commonplace to have internet bandwidths of 12Mbps or even higher.

Yan naman (streaming) and hindi popular dito because in the first place, our internet infrastructure is still relatively too slow to support high-definition streaming and yet costs more.

bartender · « **Reply #14 on:** Dec 12, 2012 at 05:23 PM »

Agree. Just wanted to touch on the merits of the BD scenario but I guess it's not possible without considering the rampant and blatant access and propensity to be a Jack Sparrow. However, something tells me that even in the case that infrastructure is good, most will still go and "stuff" their NMTs and storage rather than stream content.

devlin_waugh · « **Reply #15 on:** Dec 12, 2012 at 05:46 PM »

Quote from: bartender on Dec 12, 2012 at 04:27 PM

Di pa naman siguro. Maybe just here in the Philippines since there's no market for BD here. Plus we still have a rampant culture of piracy for most of the Philippines. The PS3 also duplicates the function quite flawlessly so there might not be the need for a dedicated player. However, for heavy BD viewing, a PS3 is not ideal as it stresses the console much more than any game can.

Ang mahal lang talaga ng BD from local distributors, kaya tuloy di viable magbenta ng BDP sa Pinas.

rampant ang piracy = values reflecting low regard for intellectual property rights, manifested by the Sotto mentality

♡ lvcdg23™ ✌ · « **Reply #16 on:** Dec 12, 2012 at 06:12 PM »

Quote from: barrister on Dec 11, 2012 at 10:40 PM

I want to upgrade my BD player.

I look at the Blu-ray Players Board and I see very little activity. The Board started in 2007, and it only has 6 pages of topics. Talo pa ng NMT Childboard --- started in 2008, now has 10 pages of topics.

Panasonic BDT-220 player sounds OK, but there's no thread for it, or for any 2012 Panny BD player for that matter.

Is any 2012 Panny BD player even available in the Phils?

Pioneer BDP-150 might be OK. There's a thread for it, but there's very little interest in it. A one-page thread for a 2012 mass-market model, and we're only weeks away from 2013.

I google for professional reviews on the Pio BDP-150 --- nothing.

I search for it on amazon --- it only has one user review!

http://www.amazon.com/Pioneer-BDP-150-Network-Enabled-Blu-ray/dp/B0083C8AQS

Unbelievable.

Laos na ba ang BD players?

Check mo reviews ng Oppo bluray players...

Tavus · « **Reply #17 on:** Dec 12, 2012 at 06:46 PM »

Quote from: devlin_waugh on Dec 12, 2012 at 05:46 PM

rampant ang piracy = values reflecting low regard for intellectual property rights, manifested by the Sotto mentality

Pretty funny you brought up sotto here. Lol

barrister · « **Reply #18 on:** Dec 12, 2012 at 06:56 PM »

Quote from: Louie_18 on Dec 12, 2012 at 06:12 PM

Check mo reviews ng Oppo bluray players...

Oppo is the best of course, pero ayoko ng Oppo sir. Pang cheap lang ako e ...

Do you know where I can get a 220 volt Panny BDT220?

Quote from: Macmon on Dec 12, 2012 at 01:12 AM

I got mine 2 or 3 years ago. And even without firmware update, it still works with the current BD titles. Definitely it is not 3D but as for me that is okay. The point I am raising is that since non3D BD are generally standard if you have an AVR, then the AVR gets updated the BD player remains the same. While others have HTIB so 1 less standalone BD player for that crowd. My unit a Panasonic BD player and still planning to use it. Happy with it. For short not Laos but just doing as it should be doing and worry about the rest of the gears.

My BD player is Panasonic BD60. No 3D, but I'm not so much into 3D, so Ok lang.

It's a good player, solid build, very good PQ. My only complaint is that its loading speed is slow for this years' standards.

raptor · « **Reply #19 on:** Dec 12, 2012 at 07:11 PM »

got mine 3 years ago as a freebie ... used it less than 10x to test and never used it again, same thing with another freebie dvd player ... i prefer my NMT, much convenient to use ... with my 42-inch Panny TV, i cannot really differentiate the quality of a 1080p mkv and original BD movie, and i do not need to stand up and replace the disk when i want to switch to another title when using my NMT

barrister · « **Reply #20 on:** Dec 12, 2012 at 07:20 PM »

Me, I still need a BD player.

If it's a movie I havent seen yet, 700MB 720p file lang ok na. If it's an OK movie, 1.5GB 1080p file dapat. If it's a movie I like, 4.5GB to 16GB file.

But if it's a movie I really like, only a real BD will do. May slight improvement pa rin e.

khumpleetist · « **Reply #21 on:** Dec 12, 2012 at 08:19 PM »

Di naman siguro sir.

Mas pang masa kase ang presyo ng mga DVD players vs BD players.

At mas convenient naman yuung NMT vs BD players.

Idagdag mo pa yung Cinavia problem ng mga bagong BD players.

Despite of all these, hindi pa rin naman laos.

♡ lvcdg23™ ✌ · « **Reply #22 on:** Dec 12, 2012 at 10:41 PM »

Quote from: khumpleetist on Dec 12, 2012 at 08:19 PM

Di naman siguro sir.

Mas pang masa kase ang presyo ng mga DVD players vs BD players.

At mas convenient naman yuung NMT vs BD players.

Idagdag mo pa yung Cinavia problem ng mga bagong BD players.

Despite of all these, hindi pa rin naman laos.

Even the NMTs are affected by the Cinavia thing...

the_w0rks · « **Reply #23 on:** Dec 12, 2012 at 11:00 PM »

Cinavia is not a problem. it's a solution to rampant piracy of intellectual properties.

Di naman laos BDPs. It just hasn't taken off yet here in the Philippines. Madaming kuntento sa DVD players because their eyes have not been opened to the world of HD because 1) they still use CRT Tvs, 2) wala silang pambili ng HD source/materials kaya they just settle for very low quality standard definition materials or substandard/ pseudo HD materials like YIFY rips.

Kung ganyan ang market dito, naturally, wala ngang target market yung BDP sellers kaya walang stocks. Wala din naman bibili, so di na lang din sila magbebenta. hehe

kukonti lang tayo dito sa Pinas na nag-adapt sa Blu ray format. Even a lot of my well-off friends have not yet switched to BDs. Puro DVDs pa din sila and/or downloaded stuff. :/

bartender · « **Reply #24 on:** Dec 13, 2012 at 12:27 AM »

Quote from: the_w0rks on Dec 12, 2012 at 11:00 PM

Cinavia is not a problem. it's a solution to rampant piracy of intellectual properties.

Di naman laos BDPs. It just hasn't taken off yet here in the Philippines. Madaming kuntento sa DVD players because their eyes have not been opened to the world of HD because 1) they still use CRT Tvs, 2) wala silang pambili ng HD source/materials kaya they just settle for very low quality standard definition materials or substandard/ pseudo HD materials like YIFY rips.

Kung ganyan ang market dito, naturally, wala ngang target market yung BDP sellers kaya walang stocks. Wala din naman bibili, so di na lang din sila magbebenta. hehe

kukonti lang tayo dito sa Pinas na nag-adapt sa Blu ray format. Even a lot of my well-off friends have not yet switched to BDs. Puro DVDs pa din sila and/or downloaded stuff. :/

+1

Cinavia should in theory be good for both source and content. BDs are one of the few technologies un-cracked by piracy in its entirety. NMTs never did attract me compared to BDs in terms of quality and hardware reliability. So for films, it's still BD for me. It's just sad that there's still no streaming in the country so for TV series, there's not much choices unless you want to watch a season behind or be hooked to TV schedules. BD technology providers and content providers should play their cards right and not price it out to oblivion. BD price drops in other countries allow for home theater enthusiasts to build a collection in their homes and is definitely a step in the right direction.

If people spend money for quality hardware they can afford, why not spend on the content as well, after all that's what the hardware is for.

Timithekid · « **Reply #25 on:** Dec 13, 2012 at 06:33 AM »

Quote from: barrister on Dec 12, 2012 at 06:56 PM

Oppo is the best of course, pero ayoko ng Oppo sir. Pang cheap lang ako e ...

Do you know where I can get a 220 volt Panny BDT220?

My BD player is Panasonic BD60. No 3D, but I'm not so much into 3D, so Ok lang.

It's a good player, solid build, very good PQ. My only complaint is that its loading speed is slow for this years' standards.

Atty in case you have a change of heart with a 220v meron pala nag bebenta ng 110 sa mp.
http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,173994.0/topicseen.html

Nelson de Leon · « **Reply #26 on:** Dec 13, 2012 at 07:55 AM »

Di naman laos. Mahal lang ang BD.

barrister · « **Reply #27 on:** Dec 13, 2012 at 08:39 AM »

Quote from: Timithekid on Dec 13, 2012 at 06:33 AM

Atty in case you have a change of heart with a 220v meron pala nag bebenta ng 110 sa mp.
http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,173994.0/topicseen.html

Ok ang presyo!

Kaya lang sinumpa ko na yang mga 110.

hitman531ph · « **Reply #28 on:** Dec 13, 2012 at 08:58 AM »

Comment ko lang sa sinabi ni barrister:

Panny Phil. wala nang BD. Panny Phil. ba naman, asa ka pa. ... puro wala? ... ang dami namang wala sa Panny Phil... kailan magsasara?

Panasonic Philippines will not close down. While their Viera is not doing well, including their other video products, Panasonic remains very, very strong in the "white lines". "White lines" mean air conditioning, refrigeration and washing machines. But when it comes to video, Panasonic is cutting back due to severe financial losses of its video-related products in Japan.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-10-31/panasonic-predicts-full-year-loss-on-tvs-restructuring-cost.html

Timithekid · « **Reply #29 on:** Dec 13, 2012 at 09:20 AM »

Quote from: barrister on Dec 13, 2012 at 08:39 AM

Ok ang presyo!

Kaya lang sinumpa ko na yang mga 110.

Si boss tonyt may alam ata on how to convert. 2500 yung nabasa ko sa isang thread...worth it kaya?