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Re: Non-Catholic
« Reply #240 on: Jul 31, 2015 at 08:30 AM »
yes, just like the Muslims, the father dis not have a son....

Nope, we believe Jesus is the Son of God, like what I posted in the quote you cut.

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Re: Non-Catholic
« Reply #241 on: Jul 31, 2015 at 08:33 AM »
mahirap iyang "sabi mo kasi ganito.. ganire"... just qoute me sa post ko na iyon... madali lang naman yan eh... punta ka sa post ko then click "Qoute"

now... if you're referring to these then nasa sa iyo na ang problema kung di mo nagets ang example


Alam mo naman pala yung pinag-uusapan e :) How many times have you evaded answering with a "Yes" or "No"? E, napaka-simple lang nung tanong :)

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Re: Non-Catholic
« Reply #242 on: Jul 31, 2015 at 08:33 AM »
i remember a very young kid went over to my place,
he said "kaya hind kayo mayaman kasi hindi kayo kasapi ng Iglesia"
hindi man lang sinaway ng magulang...
they boy must be 7 or 8 years old at the time...
i just smiled, nod and kept quiet.....
bata palang yan me kahambugan na.....tsk...tsk...tsk...

if this is a generalization, then what can we infer from Rapists, murderers, child molesters, corrupt government officials, etc in our society that are members of RC.

I am not saying the kid in your story is right. HE WAS WRONG! and he was more wrong because the INC does not have that doctrine. In fact we acknowledge the fact that most of our members are poor.

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Re: Non-Catholic
« Reply #243 on: Jul 31, 2015 at 08:36 AM »
o.t.
na miss ko tuloy 70s sa harap ng quiapo church at luneta, pagsapit ng dilim, ayan na, debate ng mga relihiyoso' bukas ang kanya.kanyang biblia, very animated.

@dpogs, will a true muslim go to heaven?

i believe kasi based on the Bible that anyone can go to heaven...
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Re: Non-Catholic
« Reply #244 on: Jul 31, 2015 at 08:38 AM »
Alam mo naman pala yung pinag-uusapan e :) How many times have you evaded answering with a "Yes" or "No"? E, napaka-simple lang nung tanong :)

but did i specifically says na LGBT will go to hell? :):):)

sabi mo kasi "gay,kristiyano" sabi ko dagadagan natin...

"gay,kristiyano, tunay na kristiyano" - heaven
"gay,kristiyano, hindi tunay na kristiyano" - not heaven

malinaw di ba... kapag gay yan at tunay na kristiyano - heaven... pero kung gay yan at hindi tunay na kristiyano - not heaven...

tapos inaassume mo na agad na LGBT will go to hell ang post ko...
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Re: Non-Catholic
« Reply #245 on: Jul 31, 2015 at 08:47 AM »
but did i specifically says na LGBT will go to hell? :):):)

sabi mo kasi "gay,kristiyano" sabi ko dagadagan natin...

"gay,kristiyano, tunay na kristiyano" - heaven
"gay,kristiyano, hindi tunay na kristiyano" - not heaven

malinaw di ba... kapag gay yan at tunay na kristiyano - heaven... pero kung gay yan at hindi tunay na kristiyano - not heaven...

When asked with a yes or no question, you answer yes or no. If the question is not clear, you clarify. You don't modify the question for your own benefit :)

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tapos inaassume mo na agad na LGBT will go to hell ang post ko...

I didn't mention the word "hell", IIRC. But since inumpisan mo na, yung mga LGBT na Katoliko na nag-eengage sa sexual acts, biglang namatay, pupunta ba ng hell?

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Re: Non-Catholic
« Reply #246 on: Jul 31, 2015 at 08:50 AM »
Atty may tanong po ako. Baka pwede mo ako tulungan. Base kasi sa mga narinig ko mula nung ako po ay bata pa, ang Diyos ay hindi kumikiling sa dami ng bilang ng kaanib ng kanyang bayan. Eto yung mga naaalala kong sitwasyon sa Bibliya, please correct me if im wrong in some of these examples:

1. Noah at kanyang pamilya, at tig iisang pares ng mga hayop. Sila lang ang natira, at ang buong sanlibutan ay napawi ng dahil sa baha
2. Panahon ni Moses at Abraham
3. Panahon ng Israel, ang Bayan ng Diyos.
4. Panahon ni Cristo at ng mga Apostol.

Dito po sa mga nabanggit ko, hindi po sila ang majority na matatawag, pero sila ang itinaguyod ng Diyos. Meron po ba nakasaad sa Bibliya na may itataguyod pa na Huling Bayan ang Diyos sa mga panahon ngayon? At ano po ang nangyari sa mga tao noon na hindi kasama sa mga grupo na nabanggit ko sa itaas? Paano kung naging mabait naman sila, naging malinis ang kanilang mga hangarin, pero hindi sila nakasama sa Bayang Israel nung una?

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Re: Non-Catholic
« Reply #247 on: Jul 31, 2015 at 09:02 AM »
When asked with a yes or no question, you answer yes or no. If the question is not clear, you clarify. You don't modify the question for your own benefit :)

I didn't mention the word "hell", IIRC. But since inumpisan mo na, yung mga LGBT na Katoliko na nag-eengage sa sexual acts, biglang namatay, pupunta ba ng hell?

because you're asking a question that cant be answer by yes or no... :):):)

kung ang unang tanong mo pa lang sa akin eh... "gay tunay na kristiyano, namatay kasama ang bf niya" malamang lamagn sagot ko agad dyan yes going to heaven yan...

unang tanong mo eto... by the way ikaw ang unang nagbukas ng topic na LGBT... hindi ako :):):)

Yun naman pala e. E bakit pinipilit mo pang magbago ang LGBT, mapupunta rin naman pala sa langit :)

masasagot mo ba ya ng yes or no?

next na tanong mo eto na naman...

Pinapagulo mo naman e :) Oo at hindi lang. Gay, hindi nagbago, namatay. Langit ba o hindi?

masasagot ko ba yan ng yes or no.... hindi ko yan masasagot ng yes or no... laging may "IF" dyan

pangatlo nagbago ulit tanong mo...

Pinagulo mo na naman e : Gay, Kristyano, nagsisimba. Merong bf o partner. Namatay. Pupunta ba sa langit?

di ko na naman yan masasagot ng yes or no... may "IF" na naman dyan...

kaya dinagdagan ko na ng ganito

"gay, kristiyano, tunay na kristiyano" - heaven
"gay, kristiyano, di tunay na kristiyano" - not heaven


kung nun una palang tanong mo na agad sa akin ay ganito - "gay, tunay na kristiyano, nagsimba kasama ang bf/gf niya, hindi nagbago... pupunta ba ng langit?"

sagot ko dyan "YES" dahil sa word na "tunay na kristiyano" but... a big but... yan para sa akin... kasi kung sinasabi mong tunay siyang kristiyano bakit hindi nagbago? pero there is no doubt if that person is really a true christian pangit man ang ugali dito sa lupa pupunta yan ng langit.
There is none righteous, no not one.

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Re: Non-Catholic
« Reply #248 on: Jul 31, 2015 at 09:06 AM »
The INC does not believe that Jesus Christ is GOd because INC is monotheistic in the sense that except for the Father, there's no other God.

Jesus Christ though not God in the belief of the INC is not considered as ordinary man. He was given a lot of extraordinary endowments by God: he was given Lordship, powers beyond ordinary man, he is the Son of God, He is the Savior, he is the Christ, he is the head of the Church, thus Iglesia Ni Cristo, He is the way to God's kingdom.

FYM on the other hand though refer to as angel does not mean higher than Christ, because angel came from angelus "Latin for angel" meaning messenger or tagapaghatid ng balita, in older tagalog: Sugo.

Plus the INC believes that Christ was originally believed not to be God by early Christians.

Of course many of you will find these unbelievable. But from where we are coming from, what is unbelievable is the belief that God had to transform into human then when on Earth, he called and prayed to himself to make the cup of suffering pass him, and when on the cross, he commended his spirit to his other self. Simplu put, we do not believe God is suffering from multiple personalities.

Like everything in religion, it's a matter of belief. We believed something that is not believed by many other people. That's how the early Christians were like, come to think of it.

i'm not arguing on how the INC views Jesus. it's just an example about dpogs claim on what is a "true christian". i'm just wondering how dpogs views other sects.

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Re: Non-Catholic
« Reply #249 on: Jul 31, 2015 at 09:07 AM »
huwag mo na kasi lagyan ng lgbt...

ang itanong mo na lang ay ganito

tao, namatay, hindi nagbago, patuloy na nagkakasala, tunay na kristiyano - sagot ko = heaven
tao, namatay, nagbao, mabuting tao, hindi tunay na kristiyano - sagot ko = not heaven
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Re: Non-Catholic
« Reply #250 on: Jul 31, 2015 at 09:12 AM »
i'm not arguing on how the INC views Jesus. it's just an example about dpogs claim on what is a "true christian". i'm just wondering how dpogs views other sects.

Yes, bro. I know. I just used the opportunity to explain the "why" of your central point relative to dpogs' definition. :)

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Re: Non-Catholic
« Reply #251 on: Jul 31, 2015 at 09:14 AM »
Pinapagulo mo lang e ;D Playing safe ka ba? Ang LGBT ba, pwedeng maging tunay na Kristyano habang may bf/gf sya?

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Re: Non-Catholic
« Reply #252 on: Jul 31, 2015 at 09:20 AM »
Yes, bro. I know. I just used the opportunity to explain the "why" of your central point relative to dpogs' definition. :)

point taken bro. ;D it's actually quite insightful, though. i don't follow any religion/belief/god but i like understanding other religions and their beliefs.

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Re: Non-Catholic
« Reply #253 on: Jul 31, 2015 at 09:28 AM »
Pinapagulo mo lang e ;D Playing safe ka ba? Ang LGBT ba, pwedeng maging tunay na Kristyano habang may bf/gf sya?

yang mga tanong na yan.... answerable yan ng YES or NO... dapat ganyan para di ka maguluhan...

YES

in fact ang tao ay puwedeng maging tunay na kristiyano kahit pumapatay pa yan, kahit rapist pa yan...
There is none righteous, no not one.

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Re: Non-Catholic
« Reply #254 on: Jul 31, 2015 at 09:39 AM »
yang mga tanong na yan.... answerable yan ng YES or NO... dapat ganyan para di ka maguluhan...

YES

in fact ang tao ay puwedeng maging tunay na kristiyano kahit pumapatay pa yan, kahit rapist pa yan...

Mukhang hindi mo na gets yung question kaya ako na magca-clarify. Pwede silang maging tunay na Kristyano kahit hindi nila ititigil yung LGBT acts?

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Re: Non-Catholic
« Reply #255 on: Jul 31, 2015 at 09:49 AM »
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Pinapagulo mo lang e ;D Playing safe ka ba? Ang LGBT ba, pwedeng maging tunay na Kristyano habang may bf/gf sya?

Mukhang hindi mo na gets yung question kaya ako na magca-clarify. Pwede silang maging tunay na Kristyano kahit hindi nila ititigil yung LGBT acts?

iba kasi ang "habang" at "hindi nila ititigil" sa tinatanong mo ulit ngayon... :):):)

kung baga sa code... garbage in garbage out... ayusin mo ang tanong mo para makuha mo agad ang gusto mong sagot... :):):)

ngayon ang tanong mo ay kung maari bang maging kristiyano ang isang tao  kung hindi sila titigil sa pagkakasala...

follow up question ko lang ulit... para hindi ka na magtanong next time: may balak bang hindi itigil ang paggawa ng kasalanan?

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Re: Non-Catholic
« Reply #256 on: Jul 31, 2015 at 11:00 AM »
o.t.
na miss ko tuloy 70s sa harap ng quiapo church at luneta, pagsapit ng dilim, ayan na, debate ng mga relihiyoso' bukas ang kanya.kanyang biblia, very animated.

@dpogs, will a true muslim go to heaven?

kaya nga maramng sucide bombers, diretso na raw sila sa langit....
how do we defend our freedom? by the truth when it is assaulted by Marcos lies....

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Re: Non-Catholic
« Reply #257 on: Jul 31, 2015 at 11:05 AM »
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iba kasi ang "habang" at "hindi nila ititigil" sa tinatanong mo ulit ngayon... :):):)

kung baga sa code... garbage in garbage out... ayusin mo ang tanong mo para makuha mo agad ang gusto mong sagot... :):):)

ngayon ang tanong mo ay kung maari bang maging kristiyano ang isang tao  kung hindi sila titigil sa pagkakasala...

follow up question ko lang ulit... para hindi ka na magtanong next time: may balak bang hindi itigil ang paggawa ng kasalanan?



Hindi ko alam kung ako yung me problema sa pagsabi o ikaw sa pag-intindi. O sya, dun tayo sa "hindi ititigil". Ano na, langit o hindi?

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Re: Non-Catholic
« Reply #258 on: Jul 31, 2015 at 11:09 AM »
Nope, we believe Jesus is the Son of God, like what I posted in the quote you cut.

aren't we all sons of God? just like the prophet Mohamed was a son of Allah?
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Re: Non-Catholic
« Reply #259 on: Jul 31, 2015 at 11:10 AM »
if this is a generalization, then what can we infer from Rapists, murderers, child molesters, corrupt government officials, etc in our society that are members of RC.

I am not saying the kid in your story is right. HE WAS WRONG! and he was more wrong because the INC does not have that doctrine. In fact we acknowledge the fact that most of our members are poor.

i was relating a personal anecdote....
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Re: Non-Catholic
« Reply #260 on: Jul 31, 2015 at 11:26 AM »
if this is a generalization, then what can we infer from Rapists, murderers, child molesters, corrupt government officials, etc in our society that are members of RC.

I am not saying the kid in your story is right. HE WAS WRONG! and he was more wrong because the INC does not have that doctrine. In fact we acknowledge the fact that most of our members are poor.

https://phillipgarcia.wordpress.com/2009/01/30/behind-the-iglesia-ni-cristos-king-maker-role-a-chain-of-crimes-and-mythical-numbers/
« Last Edit: Jul 31, 2015 at 11:29 AM by GIJoe »

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Re: Non-Catholic
« Reply #261 on: Jul 31, 2015 at 11:44 AM »
i remember the reverend Jim Jones in Guyana, employed armed goons to herd his sect...
in time they all died....https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Jones
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Re: Non-Catholic
« Reply #262 on: Jul 31, 2015 at 02:28 PM »
Hindi ko alam kung ako yung me problema sa pagsabi o ikaw sa pag-intindi. O sya, dun tayo sa "hindi ititigil". Ano na, langit o hindi?

iba po kasi ang "may balak na hindi titigil" or "hindi ITITIGIL" at ang "hindi TITIGIL sa kasalanan"

a genuine christian faith have a genuine repentance... these two - repentance and faith are inseparable, like a two side of coin... if you hve a genuine faith means you have a genuine repentance... if you have a genuine repentance means you have a true faith... if you are a genuine true christian mean you have both genuine repentance and faith...

what is repentance - it means a change of mind ... the disposition to repeat sin is gone...

Mukhang hindi mo na gets yung question kaya ako na magca-clarify. Pwede silang maging tunay na Kristyano kahit hindi nila ititigil yung LGBT acts?

kaya po ang taong sinasabi mong kristiyano ngunit walang balak na tumigil sa kasalan doesnt have genuine repentance - doesnt have a change of mind at walang balak na magbago thus cannot enter the heaven...

Jesus said, "I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish." (Luke 13:3)


now ang isang taong tunay na kristiyano kahit po tunay na kristiyano yan hindi po titigil sa paggawa ng kasalan yan kasi po nasa katawang lupa pa tayo....



ang taong tunay na kristiyano at hindi titigil sa paggawa ng kasalanan = heaven
ang taong nagsasabing tunay na kristiyano at walang balak tumigil sa paggawa ng kasalanan ay hindi tunay na kristiyano = so not heaven
ang taong walang balak itigil ang paggawa ng kasalanan ay hindi magiging tunay Kristiyano = not heaven

« Last Edit: Jul 31, 2015 at 02:36 PM by dpogs »
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Re: Non-Catholic
« Reply #263 on: Jul 31, 2015 at 02:41 PM »
^Ayan, malinaw na. Saan naman papasok yung sinabi mong only God knows?

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Re: Non-Catholic
« Reply #264 on: Jul 31, 2015 at 02:46 PM »
huwag mo na kasi lagyan ng lgbt...

ang itanong mo na lang ay ganito

tao, namatay, hindi nagbago, patuloy na nagkakasala, tunay na kristiyano - sagot ko = heaven
tao, namatay, nagbao, mabuting tao, hindi tunay na kristiyano - sagot ko = not heaven

parehong - not heaven sir

yung tunay na kristyano, nagkakasala din pero nagbabago patungong Christ like - dumadaan sila sa sanctification at pumapasok dito yung pag disiplina ng Diyos.


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« Reply #265 on: Jul 31, 2015 at 02:47 PM »
Atty may tanong po ako. Baka pwede mo ako tulungan. Base kasi sa mga narinig ko mula nung ako po ay bata pa, ang Diyos ay hindi kumikiling sa dami ng bilang ng kaanib ng kanyang bayan.

Sa madaling salita, ayon sa aking unawa, ang tanong mo ay --- Ang pamantayan ba para masabing sa Diyos ang isang samahan ay paramihan lang ng bilang ng miyembro?
 
Mas magaspang ang pagkakasabi, pero mas malinaw, di ba?  ;)
 
Ang simpleng sagot ay hindi.  Hindi paramihan ng miyembro ang labanan diyan.
 
 
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Eto yung mga naaalala kong sitwasyon sa Bibliya, please correct me if im wrong in some of these examples:

1. Noah at kanyang pamilya, at tig iisang pares ng mga hayop. Sila lang ang natira, at ang buong sanlibutan ay napawi ng dahil sa baha
2. Panahon ni Moses at Abraham
3. Panahon ng Israel, ang Bayan ng Diyos.
4. Panahon ni Cristo at ng mga Apostol.
 
Dito po sa mga nabanggit ko, hindi po sila ang majority na matatawag, pero sila ang itinaguyod ng Diyos.

Tama.  Pero hindi ako nasisiyan sa iyong batayan na sa tingin ko ay manipis pa.  Bibigyan kita ng matibay na sitas.
 
Sa Old Testament, ang tipan ay sa pagitan ng Diyos at ng mga Israelitas.
 
Tama na pagkatapos ng baha, nag-umpisa ang lahi kay Noe at kanyang pamilya, tuloy kay Shem na anak ni Noe, na naging apo si Abraham.  Si Abraham ang binigyan ng pangako, naging anak si Isaac, na naging anak si Jacob, na binigyan ng panibagong pangalan na "Israel," na nagkaroon ng 12 anak, na naging ninuno ng 12 tribo ng bayang Israel.   
 
Totoong mas kaunti ang bilang ng Israelitas kung ihahambing sa bilang ng mga bayan na nasa paligid nila.  Nguni't sapat na batayan na ba na mas kaunti sila para sabihing hindi kumikiling ang Diyos sa bilang?
 
Hindi sapat iyon.  Kailangan natin ng mas matibay na batayan. 
 
Kung ikaw ay kaanib ng INC, alam mo na may disiplina ang pag-aaral ng bibliya, na hindi maaari na haka-haka lang ang batayan.
 
At ang sitas na ito ang mas matibay na batayan --- 
 
7 The Lord did not set his love upon you, nor choose you, because ye were more in number than any people; for ye were the fewest of all people: (Deut. 7:7)
 
 
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At ano po ang nangyari sa mga tao noon na hindi kasama sa mga grupo na nabanggit ko sa itaas? Paano kung naging mabait naman sila, naging malinis ang kanilang mga hangarin, pero hindi sila nakasama sa Bayang Israel nung una?

Mag pag-asa pa rin sila sa kaligasan.
 
Natalakay ko na ang temang iyan sa thread na ito.  Sa tingin ko ay masisiyahan ka na sa aking ginamit na batayan:
 
Tama yun sir.

Saan mo nakuha yon sir? Bihira kong marinig yan sa iba, e. Ang madalas kong marinig, "kami lang ang maliligtas..."  :D

Para eksakto, eto ang sitas:

12 All who sin apart from the law will also perish apart from the law, and all who sin under the law will be judged by the law. 13 For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God’s sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous. 14 (Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law. 15 They show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts sometimes accusing them and at other times even defending them.) (Rom. 2:12-15)

Pag hindi mo pa alam ang aral ng Kristiyano at hindi mo naman kasalanan kung bakit hindi mo nalaman ang aral, you "do not have the law."

If you do not have the law, how will you be judged?

Not by the law that you don't have, because that would be unfair. You will be judged by the law written in your heart, meaning by what your conscience dictates.

Therefore, if you have the law, you will be held to a higher standard. Pag alam mo na ang aral, pero paulit-ulit kang lumalabag, yari ka.

Mabuti pang hindi mo na natutunan ang aral Kristiyano (through no fault of your own), kasi ibang standard sana ang naging para sa iyo, para fair.

Yan yung sinasabi sa sitas na ito:

20 If they have escaped the corruption of the world by knowing our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and are again entangled in it and are overcome, they are worse off at the end than they were at the beginning. 21 It would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than to have known it and then to turn their backs on the sacred command that was passed on to them. 22 Of them the proverbs are true: “A dog returns to its vomit,” and, “A sow that is washed returns to her wallowing in the mud.” (2 Peter 2:20-22)


 
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Meron po ba nakasaad sa Bibliya na may itataguyod pa na Huling Bayan ang Diyos sa mga panahon ngayon?

Wala nang huling bayan. 
 
Ganito ang plano ng Diyos ukol sa kaligtasan ng tao:
 
Ang Diyos ay nagkaroon ng tipan sa Israel.  Pero dahil lumabag ang israel sa kasunduan, tinapos ng Diyos ang tipan, kaya't ito ay tinawag na Lumang Tipan.  Kaya rin naman nagkaroon ng Bagong Tipan -- ngayon sa pagitan ng Diyos at ng mga Kristiyano.   
 
Kung ang lumang tipan ay batay sa lahing Israel, sa bagong tipan ay wala nang batayang lahi.  Kahit sino, maaari nang maligtas.  Hindi na kailangan na ikaw ay kalahi ng sinumang ninuno.
 
16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God that brings salvation to everyone who believes: first to the Jew, then to the Gentile. (Rom. 1:16)
 
First to the Jew, then to the Gentile.  Samakatuwid baga --- Sa Hudyo muna (Lumang Tipan); pagkatapos ay sa Hentil, na ang ibig sabihin ay hindi Hudyo (Bagong Tipan).
 
Wala nang bagong bayan pa ng Diyos. Sa panahon ng Bagong Tipan, lahat ay may pag-asa sa kaligtasan, pantay-pantay, walang pagtatangi.
 
34 Then Peter began to speak: “I now realize how true it is that God does not show favoritism 35 but accepts from every nation the one who fears him and does what is right. (Acts 10:34-35)
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Re: Non-Catholic
« Reply #266 on: Jul 31, 2015 at 03:33 PM »
kung sina Abraham ay apo ni Shem na anak ni Noah, saang linya galing ang ibang lahi tulad ng mga Egyptians?

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« Reply #267 on: Jul 31, 2015 at 03:38 PM »
kung sina Abraham ay apo ni Shem na anak ni Noah, saang linya galing ang ibang lahi tulad ng mga Egyptians?

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« Reply #268 on: Jul 31, 2015 at 04:11 PM »
^Ayan, malinaw na. Saan naman papasok yung sinabi mong only God knows?

oh i didn't mean "only God knows" kasi nasusulat naman yan sa Bible... mas maganda kung sabihin natin na it is between the believer and God...

we can only make assumption based on person's work or testimony but we really dont know their hearts... malay mo nagbabaitbaitan lang pala... akala natin nagbago na may inaantay lang na pagkakataon saka titira (wolves dress like a sheep)... only that person and God can tell if he/she is really a true Christian or not...
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« Reply #269 on: Jul 31, 2015 at 04:13 PM »
kung sina Abraham ay apo ni Shem na anak ni Noah, saang linya galing ang ibang lahi tulad ng mga Egyptians?


Madali pa nga ang Egyptians, magkakahawig kasi sila, e.

Lalo naman yung Chinese, Africans at Caucasians.  ;)