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tony · « **Reply #510 on:** Aug 31, 2015 at 07:14 AM »

Quote from: barrister on Aug 31, 2015 at 01:12 AM

Thanks for the link.

Medyo lumilinaw na sa akin. Ang lumalabas, may practice sila na confinement as a disciplinary measure.

Ang sinasabi nilang separation of church and state, wag daw pakialaman ng gobyerno ang practice nila ng confinement as a disciplinary measure, kasi ito ay religious policy na hindi puwedeng maging serious illegal detention.

Criminal offense pa rin yon kahit religious practice.

Kaya pala ayaw linawin kung bakit separation of church and state ang karapatang hinihingi. Kasi pag nilinaw nila yon, para na nilang inamin na may krimen ngang nangyari.

Paweirdo nang paweirdo a.

weirdo nga.....
yung People's Temple ni Jim Jones, lumipat sa Guyana para naconfine ang members....https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Jones
eto kinalabasan....https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVWsr2vqir4
David Koresh....https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bn2KnnqeyiY

even the devil can recite the bible....

barrister · « **Reply #511 on:** Aug 31, 2015 at 11:37 AM »

Quote from: godlike00 on Aug 31, 2015 at 01:37 AM

Read!

http://www.manilatimes.net/reap-the-whirlwind-whats-behind-the-inc-revolt/214373/

Maganda rin ang article, pero hindi ako makapaniwala na tinanggihan nila si Mar Roxas.

Hindi naman siguro nagsisinungaling si Tiglao. Naniniwala ako na based on the anonymous source ang article niya.

They thought that the INC’s bloc vote for Roxas, estimated at 1.4 million, or more than half its membership, would give him a fighting chance, or at least provide them with the smokescreen for cheating.

But despite Roxas’ intense lobbying, the INC leadership had sent word that it cannot support his candidacy in 2016.

Ang sabi ni Tiglao, Roxas lobbied the INC to support his presidential candidacy in 2006, but the INC refused.

I find that hard to believe.

Candidates lobby the INC to support them, that's true. But the INC does not say whether they agree to support them or not. Basta makikinig sila sa candidate, pero hindi sasabihin kung sususportahan siya o hindi.

Pag malapit na ang elections, around a few days to go, doon magbibigay ng listahan ng endorsements ang INC.

Bakit hinihintay na malapit na ang elections? Gusto nilang makita kung ano ang resulta ng latest surveys, kasi yon ang magiging basehan ng endorsement.

Yan ang lagi kong sinasabi sa mga post ko:

http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,181516.msg2296590.html#msg2296590

Ngayon, kung ang gawain ng INC ay maghintay ng survey results, paanong 2015 pa lang, tinanggihan na si Mar Roxas? Very unlikely.

Ang kapani-paniwala, nag lobby si Roxas, pero hindi pa sumasagot ang INC hanggang ngayon. Kasi hindi talaga sasagot yan. Maghintay ka na lang ng listahan ng endorsements a few days before elections.

tony · « **Reply #512 on:** Aug 31, 2015 at 12:42 PM »

Tiglao is a discredited GMA apologist...i never bother with him...

barrister · « **Reply #513 on:** Aug 31, 2015 at 01:04 PM »

Pro GMA nga si Tiglao, but it does not automatically mean all his articles are lies.

In this case, I disagree with him kasi may nakikita ako na hindi kapani-paniwala sa analysis. Hindi yung disagree agad dahil lang siya si Tiglao.

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Quote from: barrister on Aug 30, 2015 at 11:13 PM

It's not a good move on the part of the INC.

The only one backing down from this stalemate is the INC. The government cannot back down. If they do, it makes them look weak.

On the other hand, the INC has to call off the rally sooner or later. When they do and the government does not budge, the INC exposes itself as a paper tiger.

That's what this rally is doing to your group. It shows the country that the INC is not so powerful after all.

The only way out for the INC is if the government asks for a dialog. The INC agrees to the dialog and calls off the rally.

If the government does not ask for a dialog, that's going to be a problem.

Nangyari na nga yung sinasabi kong only way out for the INC. Nagkaroon ng dialog, nagkaroon ng agreement, tapos na ang rally.

Puwede na nilang sabihin na tumigil sila dahil may agreement na. Kahit hindi nililinaw kung ano ba yung agreement na yon.

Iglesia ni Cristo ends 5-day protest

Metro Manila (CNN Philippines) — Iglesia ni Cristo (INC) spokesperson Edwil Zabala confirmed Monday morning (August 31) that the religious group has ended its protest, days after its members marched to Padre Faura in Manila and the EDSA-Shaw Blvd. intersection to object the government's alleged intrusion into their internal affairs.

...In a statement, INC General Minister said that group has reached an understanding with the government. "[N]agkausap na po ang panig ng Iglesia at ang panig ng pamahalaan, at sa pag-uusap na ito ay nagkapaliwanagan na po ang dalawang panig."

http://cnnphilippines.com/news/2015/08/31/iglesia-ni-cristo-ends-protest.html

DVD_Freak · « **Reply #514 on:** Aug 31, 2015 at 02:30 PM »

On Tiglao..... when a person insists that during the Hello Garci issue, GMA did not cheat and was not a fraud... then saying:

Quote

the real fraud in the 2004 elections was the attempt itself of a celebrity, FPJ, to be president, which had never been done in any nation before (Ronald Reagan was governor for eight years before he run for the US presidency).

...you really lose your credibility.

tenderfender · « **Reply #515 on:** Aug 31, 2015 at 02:45 PM »

Quote from: barrister on Aug 31, 2015 at 01:04 PM

Iglesia ni Cristo ends 5-day protest

So ilang araw nga uli ang ginugol nila for this???

e de Lima!!!

oweidah · « **Reply #516 on:** Aug 31, 2015 at 02:52 PM »

deal ! eh wala foi so...

barrister · « **Reply #517 on:** Aug 31, 2015 at 03:23 PM »

Quote from: tenderfender on Aug 31, 2015 at 02:45 PM

So ilang araw nga uli ang ginugol nila for this???

e de Lima!!!

Oo nga ano...

Kaya pala pack up na pagdating ng lima.

barrister · « **Reply #518 on:** Aug 31, 2015 at 03:29 PM »

Did government 'capitulate?' Disclose 'agreement'
with INC, Samson's lawyers demand
By: InterAksyon.com
August 31, 2015 11:53 AM

MANILA, Philippines -- (UPDATE - 2:40 p.m.) The counsel of an expelled minister of the Iglesia ni Cristo whose criminal complaint against leaders of the church triggered the mass rallies of the last five days are demanding that government disclose the alleged agreement with the INC that led to the end of the protest on Monday.

... Lawyers Trixie Crus-Angeles and Ahmed Paglinawan, who represent Isaias Samson Jr., questioned why their client was not included in the agreement cited by INC leaders when they announced the end of the protests that saw thousands of church members mass up and stall traffic along EDSA in Mandaluyong and, earlier, on Padre Faura Street in Manila, where the protests started in front of the Department of Justice.

...“Tell us whether or not you’ve sold our client down the river or tell us if you haven’t. But you need to disclose this to us,” they said.

http://www.interaksyon.com/article/116858/did-government-capitulate-disclose-agreement-with-inc-samsons-lawyers-demand

tony · « **Reply #519 on:** Aug 31, 2015 at 05:05 PM »

Quote from: DVD_Freak on Aug 31, 2015 at 02:30 PM

On Tiglao..... when a person insists that during the Hello Garci issue, GMA did not cheat and was not a fraud... then saying:
...you really lose your credibility.

yes, so why bother from such a polluted source?

oweidah · « **Reply #520 on:** Aug 31, 2015 at 05:17 PM »

hahaha tiglao d former activist communist turncoat ?

tony · « **Reply #521 on:** Aug 31, 2015 at 05:22 PM »

marami sila...

barrister · « **Reply #522 on:** Aug 31, 2015 at 08:25 PM »

Sabi sa ABS CBN News, an anonymous source said the INC agreed to terminate the rally in exchange for De Lima's early retirement.

bass_nut · « **Reply #523 on:** Aug 31, 2015 at 08:58 PM »

but De Lima will eventually resign from her post due to her planned senatorial try, right ?

dodie · « **Reply #524 on:** Aug 31, 2015 at 09:04 PM »

Quote from: bass_nut on Aug 31, 2015 at 08:58 PM

but De Lima will eventually resign from her post due to her planned senatorial try, right ?

yes doc, including mar. ang blita till end of september sa office before resigning.....if delima will go out next week, whats the difference of another 3weeks in office...hahahahaha

bass_nut · « **Reply #525 on:** Aug 31, 2015 at 09:50 PM »

oo nga, sir Dodie.. mas mainam siguro kung maaga na siyang mag-resign para mabigyan ng panahon ang kanyang balak sa 2016 election

barrister · « **Reply #526 on:** Sep 01, 2015 at 12:36 AM »

Quote from: bass_nut on Aug 31, 2015 at 08:58 PM

but De Lima will eventually resign from her post due to her planned senatorial try, right ?

Yes, ganon na nga.

Matagal nang sinabi ni De Lima na magre-resign siya early October when she files her certificate of candidacy for senator. Sinabi niya yon even before the INC controversy.

Kailangan lang ng INC na makapagbigay ng reason kung bakit tinigil nila ang rally. Kung talagang matigas sila, dapat resign muna si De Lima bago itigil ang rally.

Tigil ang rally in exchange for early retirement, e matagal nang naka schedule mag resign in early October. Wala yan, nagbigay ng news "leak" para hindi mapahiya ang INC.

oweidah · « **Reply #527 on:** Sep 01, 2015 at 03:50 AM »

Quote from: tony on Aug 31, 2015 at 05:22 PM

marami sila...

alam na $

isa pa c alex magno, u.p. prof

tony · « **Reply #528 on:** Sep 01, 2015 at 06:57 AM »

Quote from: Dodie on Aug 31, 2015 at 09:04 PM

yes doc, including mar. ang blita till end of september sa office before resigning.....if delima will go out next week, whats the difference of another 3weeks in office...hahahahaha

what is 3 weeks? what if de Lima's replacement had bigger balls? rally na naman?
or is the INC getting an INC member as DOJ secretary? lots of questions....
the answer will reveal itself in the coming days...

oweidah · « **Reply #529 on:** Sep 01, 2015 at 06:59 AM »

and they call it win-win....oh well

dpogs · « **Reply #530 on:** Sep 01, 2015 at 07:02 AM »

ang nakinabang ay ang sanggunian... members manipulated...

ang nakinabang ay ang nasa puwesto... taong bayan manipulated...

oweidah · « **Reply #531 on:** Sep 01, 2015 at 07:26 AM »

and watz d win for pnoy/govt?.... mar gets inc support?

tony · « **Reply #532 on:** Sep 01, 2015 at 07:46 AM »

Quote from: dpogs on Sep 01, 2015 at 07:02 AM

ang nakinabang ay ang sanggunian... members manipulated...
ang nakinabang ay ang nasa puwesto... taong bayan manipulated...

kaya nga napapaisip ako, sinong Kristo ang tinutukoy nila?
kasi saan man silipin, malayo sa naging buhay ni Kristo sa lupa ang ipinapakita nila,
wala akong makitang similarity, panay salita lamang...

barrister · « **Reply #533 on:** Sep 01, 2015 at 08:28 AM »

Ganito ang nangyayari pag ang nakaupo sa mataas na posisyon ay nangangarap umupo sa mas mataas na posisyon.

DOJ INSIDERS’ CLAIM
De Lima broke protocol
September 1, 2015 12:20 am
by JOMAR CANLAS REPORTER

There were irregularities in the way Justice Secretary Leila de Lima handled the review of the kidnapping and serious illegal detention case involving leaders of the Iglesia Ni Cristo (INC or Church of Christ), according to sources of The Manila Times–including two former secretaries of Justice and ranking prosecutors.

...A prosecutor disclosed to The Manila Times that de Lima has a penchant for summoning prosecutors to her office in connection with certain cases under their review.

“Nakikialam si de Lima sa kaso eh preliminary investigation level pa lang. Minsan nga kahit fact-finding investigation ng NBI pinapapelan na niya. Bakit hindi niya hintayin na umakyat sa kanya ang kaso kapag petition for review stage na [She is meddling in cases even though they are still at the preliminary investigation level. There are times when she would also dip her fingers into fact-finding investigations being conducted by the National Bureau if Investigation. Why can’t she wait for the cases to get elevated to her]?” the prosecutor remarked.

A former DOJ secretary said when a case is in the preliminary investigation stage, only prosecutors up to the Prosecutor-General are the ones in charge.

...“During my time as Secretary of Justice, I do not interfere in cases at the preliminary investigation level because the appeal will be with the [SOJ] via petition for review,” he told The Manila Times.

Another former Justice secretary said de Lima’s alleged interference in the INC case is a clear example of “unethical meddling” with the powers of the prosecutor to conduct a preliminary investigation.

http://www.manilatimes.net/de-lima-broke-protocol/214843/

rochie · « **Reply #534 on:** Sep 01, 2015 at 09:42 AM »

Quote from: barrister on Sep 01, 2015 at 08:28 AM

Ganito ang nangyayari pag ang nakaupo sa mataas na posisyon ay nangangarap umupo sa mas mataas na posisyon.

DOJ INSIDERS’ CLAIM
De Lima broke protocol
September 1, 2015 12:20 am
by JOMAR CANLAS REPORTER

There were irregularities in the way Justice Secretary Leila de Lima handled the review of the kidnapping and serious illegal detention case involving leaders of the Iglesia Ni Cristo (INC or Church of Christ), according to sources of The Manila Times–including two former secretaries of Justice and ranking prosecutors.

...A prosecutor disclosed to The Manila Times that de Lima has a penchant for summoning prosecutors to her office in connection with certain cases under their review.

“Nakikialam si de Lima sa kaso eh preliminary investigation level pa lang. Minsan nga kahit fact-finding investigation ng NBI pinapapelan na niya. Bakit hindi niya hintayin na umakyat sa kanya ang kaso kapag petition for review stage na [She is meddling in cases even though they are still at the preliminary investigation level. There are times when she would also dip her fingers into fact-finding investigations being conducted by the National Bureau if Investigation. Why can’t she wait for the cases to get elevated to her]?” the prosecutor remarked.

A former DOJ secretary said when a case is in the preliminary investigation stage, only prosecutors up to the Prosecutor-General are the ones in charge.

...“During my time as Secretary of Justice, I do not interfere in cases at the preliminary investigation level because the appeal will be with the [SOJ] via petition for review,” he told The Manila Times.

Another former Justice secretary said de Lima’s alleged interference in the INC case is a clear example of “unethical meddling” with the powers of the prosecutor to conduct a preliminary investigation.

http://www.manilatimes.net/de-lima-broke-protocol/214843/

sumikat naman sa FB atty, andami ngang bilib sa kanya kasi may balls daw eh.

NongP · « **Reply #535 on:** Sep 01, 2015 at 10:13 AM »

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Mandaluyong Mayor Benhur Abalos said his decision to allow the protesters to stay at Edsa-Crossing beyond the time stated in the permit was not a special accommodation but was granted for “humanitarian reasons.”

nabasa ko lang sa INQ, nauuso ang "humanitarian reasons" ah. parang nakakalimutan ng mga tao na dapat din sisihin itong mga Mayors na ito na nag approved ng rally permit na pagkahabahaba.

barrister · « **Reply #536 on:** Sep 01, 2015 at 11:24 AM »

Quote from: rochie on Sep 01, 2015 at 09:42 AM

sumikat naman sa FB atty, andami ngang bilib sa kanya kasi may balls daw eh.

Yun nga ang una nilang iisipin. Fast-track sa complaint vs sanggunian, ang tapang.

Pero mahirap isipin na si De Lima ay acting without Malacanang backing.

May utos si Pnoy and Mar diyan kaya malakas ang loob.

Malamig ang INC kay Mar kasi mahina sa surveys. Maybe the threat of issuance of non-bailable warrants of arrest will change their mind.

E nag rally ang INC.

Hintayin natin ngayon kung mag DOJ Resolution vs. the INC sanggunian na no bail recommended bago mag resign si De Lima.

tony · « **Reply #537 on:** Sep 01, 2015 at 01:38 PM »

teka, submitted for resolution na ba yung kaso?
di ba prelminary investigation pa nga lang?
hiningnan na ba ang iglesia ng counter affidavit?
ano na ba ang status?

kaya nagrally ang INC ay para burahin ang sinapamng kaso
as if it never was filed sa tingin ko...
without due process ever taking place...
so that the INC is now the LAW?

Quitacet · « **Reply #538 on:** Sep 01, 2015 at 01:41 PM »

Quote from: tony on Sep 01, 2015 at 01:38 PM

teka, submitted for resolution na ba yung kaso?
di ba prelminary investigation pa nga lang?
hiningnan na ba ang iglesia ng counter affidavit?
ano na ba ang status?

kaya nagrally ang INC ay para burahin ang sinapamng kaso
as if it never was filed sa tingin ko...
without due process ever taking place...
so that the INC is now the LAW?

as per the news, ibababa daw sa piskalya ang kaso

tony · « **Reply #539 on:** Sep 01, 2015 at 02:15 PM »

kaya nga eh......